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Speaker 1: Unk and O Joe.
Speaker 2: The Vikings hand Niners the second straight loss twenty two
Speaker 2: seventeen brock Perty twenty one of thirty two seventy two
Speaker 2: one touchdowns, two picks, Kirk Cousins thirty five or forty
Speaker 2: five three seventy eight two touchdo one pick. Jordan Addison
Speaker 2: had a night when Justin Jefferson was out nursing that
Speaker 2: hamstring injury. He had seven catches above twenty three and
Speaker 2: two touches. What was one of your big takeaway from
Speaker 2: the nice game, Ojo?
Speaker 4: My biggest takeaway from the night's game. I said it
Speaker 4: before the game even started. I tweeted out, I said,
Speaker 4: Jordan Addison and Hockinson have to have a day. They
Speaker 4: got to have a day as long as Brian flore
Speaker 4: As and the defense did what they needed to do.
Speaker 4: They did just that McCaffrey well into the third quarter,
Speaker 4: didn't have over three yards of carry, didn't have a
Speaker 4: They stifle, They stifle kittles until I think, what maybe
Speaker 4: late in the third quarter he had an over route.
Speaker 5: Now that was his longest, longest catch of the day.
Speaker 4: The defense did their job two interceptions, But offensively, I
Speaker 4: think the most important thing on why the Vikings won
Speaker 4: the game. Of course they scored, but on third down
Speaker 4: they were above seventy percent well into the fourth quarter
Speaker 4: on third down, being able to get those first downs
Speaker 4: and keep those drive going and score points. It's one
Speaker 4: of the reasons why they won the game, outside of
Speaker 4: the defense planing some goddamn good football.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the forty nine ers could not get off the
Speaker 2: field on third down, and that's that's when you lose
Speaker 2: the game, because you give them three more cracks at you.
Speaker 1: You do a great job.
Speaker 2: You can stop them on first down, you stop them
Speaker 2: on second down, and you're like, Okay, we're one down
Speaker 2: away from getting off the field, getting giving our offense
Speaker 2: and opportunity to get back, and they could not get
Speaker 2: up the field on third down. But it seems like
Speaker 2: to me Brian Flores what he went into this game said,
Speaker 2: you know what, Christian McAffrey is not running this football.
Speaker 2: We won't the elite rock party. We want the ball
Speaker 2: in his hand and we want him to throw the ball.
Speaker 2: And you know they got that swing past to McCaffrey.
Speaker 2: They call him in a blitz on the back side,
Speaker 2: they swing it out the wide receiver.
Speaker 1: We do a great job of blocking.
Speaker 5: Blocking, Murphy.
Speaker 4: Got to make that tackle, man, Murphy Murphy playing around.
Speaker 5: He got to make that tackle.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 2: But what do you take away I'm looking at I'm
Speaker 2: looking at defenses and the way they're going to approach
Speaker 2: the forty nine ers, especially with no Debo and Trent,
Speaker 2: because I thought they did.
Speaker 1: A great job of protecting considering Trent wasn't in there.
Speaker 2: But they shut down McCaffrey and the run game and
Speaker 2: put the ball in brock Perty' sayd says, we don't
Speaker 2: believe you can beat us, right.
Speaker 4: I think, well, you know what, not only did they
Speaker 4: believe that he couldn't beat us, they did a great
Speaker 4: job obviously stopping the game, but the secondary played really
Speaker 4: well as what played really good as well, being able
Speaker 4: to stop kittles with Debo being out. Obviously, Trent Williams
Speaker 4: Trim William not being being in there. They did a
Speaker 4: great job in the secondary. I'm not sure what defense
Speaker 4: Brian Flores ran tonight. I'm not sure what it was.
Speaker 4: A yeah, that too, But but what is that telling us?
Speaker 4: What is that telling us? Brandon Nyuka is out there?
Speaker 4: Are we saying that they can't get open against Man?
Speaker 2: Well he played, I mean Brandon Nyuk, he called from passes.
Speaker 2: I mean they were going to him early. He did
Speaker 2: a great job. Even Jennings got going late, but it
Speaker 2: was in between, you know, the turnover. It seemed like
Speaker 2: the forty nine ers of drive about to open the game.
Speaker 2: After they pickoff Cousins early in the ball, they're driving
Speaker 2: down the field. McCaffrey costs it up and instead of
Speaker 2: getting seven three out of that drive, here comes to
Speaker 2: Minnesota back. They put a drive in the end zone
Speaker 2: and so instead of being up seven nothing, three nothing,
Speaker 2: you find yourself down seven nothing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And one of the balls selled on One of
Speaker 4: the balls selled on Brock I think it might have
Speaker 4: been a dig route. I think it might have been
Speaker 4: a dig right. He was trying to throw it. Sel
Speaker 4: sailed a little bit and once I can't remember his
Speaker 4: last name.
Speaker 5: It was his last name. I got the interception.
Speaker 4: Once he got that second one, I knew, I had
Speaker 4: a feeling it was going. I had a feeling he
Speaker 4: was gonna throw a pick, because whenever you put the
Speaker 4: ball in the quarterback's hands and you have to score
Speaker 4: at that point, defensively.
Speaker 5: You can cheat it a little bit.
Speaker 4: You con cheated it because you know they got an
Speaker 4: in stair way down the football field and not just
Speaker 4: take one huge chunk right.
Speaker 2: But when you look at it, you could tell early
Speaker 2: on that the ball was sailing on him. He threw
Speaker 2: one early to Kittle and got killed hitting the growing,
Speaker 2: So the ball was selling on him early, and so
Speaker 2: it felt like, you know what, it might be a
Speaker 2: problem tonight. Him being able to control the football. I'm
Speaker 2: surprised considering that work. They are indoors and there is
Speaker 2: no element that's in play. You have a seventy two
Speaker 2: degree controlled environment. So I thought he would have better
Speaker 2: control of the football than what he showed. But give
Speaker 2: give the Minnesota Vikings credit their defense. And how about
Speaker 2: Cousins thirty five or forty five, three seventy eight, two touchdowns,
Speaker 2: one pick and playing well in a primetime game.
Speaker 1: We know Jesson Jefferson, No, JJ, we know.
Speaker 2: We we beat him up when he plays bad primetime
Speaker 2: Thursday night, Sunday night, Monday night.
Speaker 4: But tonight he was the main, the main reason. Can
Speaker 4: we call him elite for tonight? I'm just asking based
Speaker 4: on listen, numbers don't lie. Numbers don't lie, oh Joe,
Speaker 4: But we got to start. If a guy had a
Speaker 4: good game, he's elite. If he plays bad, he's a
Speaker 4: bad can.
Speaker 5: What is asking?
Speaker 1: I'm just asking what is.
Speaker 2: Kirk cousins body of work shown you over a decade?
Speaker 2: Has his body of work showed you that he's elite?
Speaker 5: Now, it's been up and down.
Speaker 4: But but what Kirk has showed us is that he's capable.
Speaker 4: He's capable of playing consistent football and making sure and
Speaker 4: giving his team a chance to win. He just hasn't
Speaker 4: crossed over that hump yet. But he's consistently, consistently in
Speaker 4: the regular season. He's good enough to get there. They
Speaker 4: just haven't gotten over that hump.
Speaker 2: Good old look good enough to get where where we're exactly.
Speaker 1: They're into the playoffs.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, yeah, yeah, they They always on the verge
Speaker 4: for the for the past ten years.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, he just he's like, he's like, he's not elite,
Speaker 5: but he's like.
Speaker 4: He's like right there, right right on the verge, right
Speaker 4: right right on the right on the verge.
Speaker 1: What's what's wrong with being in here? Okay?
Speaker 2: If elite's right here and the floor is right here,
Speaker 2: why can't a guy be in between there?
Speaker 1: Why does he have to be this or that?
Speaker 4: Okay, okay, but listen, he's not He's not that far
Speaker 4: below when you talk about the floor. He right right
Speaker 4: underneath the Tier one quarterbacks. He's right there underneath. Based
Speaker 4: on the body of work that he's put that he's
Speaker 4: put up the past decade.
Speaker 2: Is he is all right? Forty nine ers had three
Speaker 2: turnovers in the first six games. They had three turnovers
Speaker 2: a night. And remember, when a team is down some
Speaker 2: of their best players, if you're a better football team
Speaker 2: and you turn the ball over, either you go down
Speaker 2: to their level or you raise them up to your level,
Speaker 2: one of the two, whichever one you choose to do.
Speaker 1: But that's what you do when you turn the ball over.
Speaker 2: But give them Minesota credit because they turned the ball
Speaker 2: over also and they still found a way to win
Speaker 2: this ball.
Speaker 4: Win one of the things that they were able to stop,
Speaker 4: and there was no sign of brother Nick Bosa.
Speaker 1: Yeah. No, they didn't really get pressure over. I thought
Speaker 1: they would do a pressure.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I would I would have thought they would have.
Speaker 4: And the fact that Kirk Cousin was able to sit
Speaker 4: in the pocket with bodies around him and facilitate the
Speaker 4: ball at will was amazing to see. And the funny
Speaker 4: thing about it, this entire week of football has been weird.
Speaker 5: Would you consider this upset?
Speaker 1: Yes? Absolutely. The Nineers were seven point favorite.
Speaker 4: Not only was the ninety to seven point favorite. The
Speaker 4: Patriots beat the Bills, the Steelers beat the Rams obviously,
Speaker 4: and the Viking just now beating the forty nine ers.
Speaker 1: Who whatever thought.
Speaker 4: I know a lot of people, a lot of gambling
Speaker 4: and bending people are set at the state of games
Speaker 4: that happened this week.
Speaker 1: Well, this is this is one thing.
Speaker 2: After watching Kirk Cousins through the years, we know that
Speaker 2: you got to pressure him if you and this look,
Speaker 2: this is not earth shattering news. I'm not interrupting your
Speaker 2: normally scheduled programming telling you something you didn't know. Most quarterbacks,
Speaker 2: when you punch them in their mouth, it well, you
Speaker 2: talk about the great Montana, Brady Manning, Elway, whomever. When
Speaker 2: you pressure them, you greatly reduced their success rate.
Speaker 1: But Kirk Cousins, we know it is even magnified.
Speaker 2: Because those the league guys sometimes when you pressure them,
Speaker 2: they still will look down the barrel and make a throw.
Speaker 2: But we've seen Cousins over the years. He kind of folds.
Speaker 2: He succumbs to a lot of that pressure. But tonight
Speaker 2: they didn't get pressure on him, and his.
Speaker 1: Stat line shows that they didn't get pressure on him.
Speaker 2: That thirty five or forty five three seventy eight two
Speaker 2: touchdowns on a pick. So in this division, do you
Speaker 2: think the Vikings can give the Lions trouble? I think
Speaker 2: the Lions. I think even though they lost handedly yesterday
Speaker 2: to the Ravens, I still believe that this is the
Speaker 2: Lion's division to lose.
Speaker 5: I think it is still the Lion's division.
Speaker 4: The Lions are playing really good football right now, and
Speaker 4: I think even though they are coming off of a loss,
Speaker 4: they're going to respond extremely well in their next game.
Speaker 4: The Vikings without Justin Jefferson aren't beating the Lions. And
Speaker 4: I think even with Justin Jefferson coming back and them
Speaker 4: having to work him back in slowly, even though he's
Speaker 4: coming off injury. I think it's too much too much
Speaker 4: ground to make up to actually unsee the Lions and
Speaker 4: winning and winning that division.
Speaker 5: Too much, too much ground to make up.
Speaker 2: Okay, it was announced today that the Miami Dolphins will
Speaker 2: be featured on HBO Hard Knocks. I guess it's for
Speaker 2: the rest of the season, right, for the rest of
Speaker 2: the season. Obviously, they have very compelling storyline. Mike McDaniel, Hey,
Speaker 2: he loved to have fun. They do his interview and
Speaker 2: he takes off running. He's very animated on the sideline.
Speaker 2: He's very jovial. You got too in his story You
Speaker 2: got Tyreek in that track team. So I think it's
Speaker 2: a very compelling storyline. You and I were both on
Speaker 2: the show. We started. I was in Baltimore in two
Speaker 2: thousand and one and we kicked off Hard Knocks. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you were on the fifth and the seventh season. Talk
Speaker 2: about some of your experience with the cameras and having
Speaker 2: to try to offer the fans a glimpse of a
Speaker 2: day in the life of a player that's in training camp,
Speaker 2: being a veteran player.
Speaker 4: Listen, that was one of the best experiences to me, obviously,
Speaker 4: allowing people to see what it's like inside inside of
Speaker 4: training camp, seeing the way the work ethic that not
Speaker 4: just I put in, but my teammates, what goes into
Speaker 4: day to day practices, our schedules, as far as meetings.
Speaker 4: Obviously the cutthrow part of the business. Obviously you know
Speaker 4: when it's when it's time to get cut. But it
Speaker 4: was fun. It was very fun, just just being myself,
Speaker 4: being authentic, being being my my going organic self. And
Speaker 4: I really enjoyed it. I really enjoyed it. It was the birth.
Speaker 4: It was the birthing of child. Please one of my sayings,
Speaker 4: and kiss the baby and some other stuff like that.
Speaker 4: And it just a lot of people to see a
Speaker 4: different side of a different side of us outside of
Speaker 4: seeing the finished product on Sundays at one o'clock and
Speaker 4: what I like to call the politically the politically correct
Speaker 4: interviews that we do on Sundays after games.
Speaker 5: I think that.
Speaker 4: That that's hard Knocks is really good because it shows
Speaker 4: a different side of all the players.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it gives you an opportunity the players getting ready,
Speaker 2: the meeting time, how much meeting time, the prep work,
Speaker 2: guys getting massages, and the guys getting in the cold
Speaker 2: dub and the guys doing things to get ready, because
Speaker 2: you break you down, you break your body down, and
Speaker 2: then somehow you got to get it back together for
Speaker 2: the next day at practice, and and and and the
Speaker 2: and the difficult side, some of these players dreams will
Speaker 2: go unrealized. You made it there, but this is as
Speaker 2: far as it goes. And the realization that my dream
Speaker 2: of being an NFL player is not going to materialize.
Speaker 2: And now I've got to branch back into the real
Speaker 2: world and get it.
Speaker 1: You had a great run.
Speaker 2: You're probably a pretty good high school player, good the
Speaker 2: great high school player, had a good had a very
Speaker 2: good excuse me, college career, but that next level isn't
Speaker 2: going to happen to you. And sometimes watching the guys
Speaker 2: because you get you get close to some of the
Speaker 2: guys and you see how hard and how much work
Speaker 2: they put into it, and then to realize that you
Speaker 2: know what it's over now.
Speaker 4: Yeah, listen, that's a that's a tough job. That's a
Speaker 4: tough tough job to do it, especial for coaches. And
Speaker 4: when you get there, when you hear that knock on
Speaker 4: the door, you know and say, man, that's Man, that
Speaker 4: has to be one of the worst feelings. And the
Speaker 4: fact that, obviously hard nuts is cut it out. I
Speaker 4: think I think they cut out that part where they
Speaker 4: where they show people getting released.
Speaker 5: Now right, they no longer show that. Listen, list it's.
Speaker 4: It's honest, it's it's just it's just the truth of
Speaker 4: the business, and it's it's just the way it is. Obviously,
Speaker 4: my childhood dream, it wasn't even to be a NFL player.
Speaker 5: I wanted to be a veterinarian. I wanted to be
Speaker 5: a marine biologist because I love dogs and I love
Speaker 5: killer whales.
Speaker 4: But the fact that Grandma, obviously with football being my
Speaker 4: outlet and something for me to do based on the
Speaker 4: area where I was in, because it's either your plan
Speaker 4: sports and there's no other route, I definitely wanted to
Speaker 4: be no academic scholar. I can be honest with you.
Speaker 4: I'm just gonna be honest with you. Hey listen, but listen, listen.
Speaker 4: Grandma is the reason I was able to make it, Man.
Speaker 4: And that day when I saw that name, when I
Speaker 4: saw that name go across that across that tickericker, yeah
Speaker 4: she was. She was the first one I went to,
Speaker 4: Man and I told her, I say, mommy, we made it.
Speaker 5: Man.
Speaker 4: She told me, listen, this is just the beginning of
Speaker 4: your journey, right, it is again and then and then
Speaker 4: it starts all back over again. It's a it's an
Speaker 4: entire different set of goals that I had to set
Speaker 4: and conquered.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're actually absolutely right.
Speaker 2: And that's what a lot of times I tell the guys,
Speaker 2: I say, this is the end, this is the beginning.
Speaker 2: So now this is step one. You're here making the team.
Speaker 2: Now is it just good enough that you made the team?
Speaker 2: What do you want to be? I didn't want to
Speaker 2: be a guy, just the guy. I wanted to be
Speaker 2: the guy I wanted to be depended on. I wanted
Speaker 2: the guys. I wanted people to have my jersey. I
Speaker 2: wanted people to like throw the ball to Sharp. I
Speaker 2: wanted my team and say, hey, man, get up, Man,
Speaker 2: get up thanking the Sharp, get up, thank the Shark.
Speaker 2: That's what I wanted to hear. It wasn't good enough,
Speaker 2: like I'm on the team. Oh yeah, I played for
Speaker 2: the Broncos. What position do you play?
Speaker 1: You know? Do you start or what do you do? No? No, no,
Speaker 1: no no no. I needed people to know.
Speaker 2: I needed what when my grandmother turned the TV over,
Speaker 2: my sister would turn the TV onto the channel that
Speaker 2: we're going to be on that she knew her baby
Speaker 2: was out there. Yeah, live, I saw my baby. He
Speaker 2: was he had a good game. So that for me,
Speaker 2: that was my goal. That's what it was, not just
Speaker 2: getting to the NFL, because I'm always dreaming. But now
Speaker 2: that I'm here, I can't go back.
Speaker 5: Right right listen.
Speaker 4: I had no choice could go back because, like my
Speaker 4: grandma told me, I got in trouble at Lang's University
Speaker 4: and I got thrown out of school. And I told you,
Speaker 4: I came home on the plane and she said, I
Speaker 4: washed my hands with you. I've done all I can do,
Speaker 4: and ship me to my mama. There was no coming back.
Speaker 4: So once I made it, once I got the opportunity
Speaker 4: in the NFL, there were no more doors. There were
Speaker 4: no more doors I could walk through us. I had
Speaker 4: no choice but to make it work. And of course
Speaker 4: I get drafted by the Bengals. At that time, we
Speaker 4: were the laughing stock of the NFL, and I got
Speaker 4: my homeboys in the hood. You know, we in Liberty City.
Speaker 4: We celebrated like Lee o Cho. Well, you went to
Speaker 4: the Bengals.
Speaker 1: They laughing.
Speaker 4: Was like, listen, give me a year or two and
Speaker 4: it won't be so funny. I said, give me a
Speaker 4: year or two and I will do all I can
Speaker 4: to make sure we're not the laughing stock of the league.
Speaker 4: But I would make us fun to watch again. I
Speaker 4: would give that city and those fans something to be
Speaker 4: proud of. I would make people happy and feel okay
Speaker 4: wearing jerseys Cincinnati jerseys outside of Cincinnati, and I think
Speaker 4: I just did that.
Speaker 5: Obviously.
Speaker 4: The end goal is to have a Lombardi Trophy, but
Speaker 4: that's a team, that's a that's a team achievement and accomplishment.
Speaker 5: I wouldn't. I fell short of that, but everything else
Speaker 5: I lived up to.
Speaker 2: But going back, what was I going back to? The
Speaker 2: reason I thought so hard was I didn't have to
Speaker 2: go back, go back to visit, but I wasn't going
Speaker 2: back to state. There was nothing. There was nothing. There
Speaker 2: was no gravitational puol. And that's why I didn't understand OJO.
Speaker 2: I had guys, I had teammates in college when I
Speaker 2: got to Savannah State in eighty six, and I remember
Speaker 2: there are guys and they even I can remember guys
Speaker 2: that were very talented, but they're like, man, sharp, this
Speaker 2: ain't for me. Man, I got to get back home.
Speaker 2: I mean be it was a girl that I mean.
Speaker 2: I had a couple of teammate that had girlfriends back
Speaker 2: home and they were whole sick. You serious him out?
Speaker 1: Are you serious? Yeah? Da dead ass, Yes, they had
Speaker 1: to go back. I had. I had a teammate. I
Speaker 1: had a teammate that was so good.
Speaker 2: He was.
Speaker 1: Uh, he went to he got he was, he went
Speaker 1: to the league.
Speaker 2: I ain't gonna call his name because I'm not gonnambarrass him,
Speaker 2: but yeah, he wanted he wanted to come back and
Speaker 2: hang with his home boys.
Speaker 1: You want to come back and hang with his home boys?
Speaker 5: Dead ass?
Speaker 1: He was. He was good.
Speaker 2: He was His feet, his feet was as good as
Speaker 2: any dB that I faced. I'm not saying he was
Speaker 2: the best dB that I faced, even in the league.
Speaker 2: But his feet, the way he could get in and
Speaker 2: out of breaks, the way he could flip his hips.
Speaker 1: But he wanted to be with his homeboys.
Speaker 5: Help me, help me understand.
Speaker 4: I've been playing the game of football since I was
Speaker 4: four years old, having a dream, obviously of reaching the
Speaker 4: childhood pinnacle of my dreams of being an NFL player
Speaker 4: and getting the opportunity, getting the opportunity to do so.
Speaker 5: And his first thought was I want to go home,
Speaker 5: hang on my homeboys.
Speaker 2: But that was your dream. I'm not so sure that
Speaker 2: was his dream. He happened to be good at it.
Speaker 2: He was good at it in high school, he was
Speaker 2: good at it in college. But I mean, at a
Speaker 2: certain point in time it comes you have to make
Speaker 2: up your mind, how good do I want to be
Speaker 2: and do I want to make this a career?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: Because you know, once you get that level, everybody, everybody
Speaker 2: was All Conference, everybody was an honorable mentioned All America
Speaker 2: and got a Bruckers.
Speaker 1: And see, the thing is, O Jodan, this is what
Speaker 1: I tell people.
Speaker 2: Whenever you come to the Broncos or whenever you came
Speaker 2: to the Ravens, whatever ward you want, we had to
Speaker 2: see what it deserved. Whether you were the Buckers, whether
Speaker 2: whether you were the Thorpe you want a Heisman trophy,
Speaker 2: you were all American.
Speaker 1: I needed to see.
Speaker 4: Why, right right, right right, Hey, that's hard to picture, man,
Speaker 4: that's hard to picture.
Speaker 5: I'm trying to wrap my head around.
Speaker 4: Even though even if that wasn't his dream, to be
Speaker 4: able to reach the pinnacle of being one of the
Speaker 4: one percent, Like, how do you say that and want
Speaker 4: to go back home?
Speaker 1: Go back home and do what? How many home boy
Speaker 1: you had in high school that was.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I dropped out to smoke weed, dropped out.
Speaker 4: I know, I know people, I know people gonna see this.
Speaker 4: That's from that's from Miami. I had so many people
Speaker 4: from Miami Central, from Miami Northwestern.
Speaker 5: Keeling High School. I can go.
Speaker 4: I can go through so many high so many schools
Speaker 4: where people were much better than I was. I was decent,
Speaker 4: I'm I'm I'm like I like to call it, I
Speaker 4: was a late bloomer. I was a late blooming. There
Speaker 4: was some dudes that I knew were going to the
Speaker 4: NFL that were much better than me, and for whatever reason,
Speaker 4: I don't know what happened obviously, once I left the college.
Speaker 4: You know, we all lose track at some point, we
Speaker 4: lose track at each other. But dude, there are people
Speaker 4: that I looked up to in high school. To this day,
Speaker 4: I can name them off. I wanted to be like
Speaker 4: them growing up. Magic Ben Marquie Cooper, Cedric Cherry uh
Speaker 4: Snoop Minace uh Lynn Coleman sat, well, hold on, hold on,
Speaker 4: I can I can go it make I got chills,
Speaker 4: just not right now. I think about some of them dudes,
Speaker 4: man too to add, well, I can keep going. Man,
Speaker 4: it's so many, dude. I want to be like all
Speaker 4: them boys, and I look up to them.
Speaker 5: And one of the reads not not Cedric, what's role Damn?
Speaker 5: What's his name? What's his name? From? Norlan Man? No?
Speaker 4: Not not smart? Because somebody played with me, remember tomorrow
Speaker 4: with the scene. I was a freshman at Beach Eye.
Speaker 4: He played receiver at Oh my role on my role?
Speaker 5: Play play play receiver like. I wanted to be like them.
Speaker 4: And one of the things that kept me going was
Speaker 4: watching them play when I was younger, and I just
Speaker 4: wanted to make it. I just want to be I
Speaker 4: wanted to be like Magic, you know. I wanted to
Speaker 4: be like man, Oh my goodness, Tyrone Butterfield, Ronald Washington,
Speaker 4: all these dudes. Like I'm like, oh my goodness, I
Speaker 4: want to be like them. And I think the drive
Speaker 4: and me want to be successful like them is what
Speaker 4: got me to the NFL. And still to this day,
Speaker 4: I ain't seen these boys and so long, but this
Speaker 4: is one of the few times I've been on the
Speaker 4: platform that of them, they probably gonna see this. Man,
Speaker 4: I appreciate y'all because they is part of my motivation.
Speaker 4: I just would I never saw them to be able
Speaker 4: to let them know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think a lot of the best part about
Speaker 2: Hard Knocks. We get back on subject with the Hard Knocks,
Speaker 2: is that when I have no, no, no, we're good.
Speaker 1: Uh. That's the one thing that we do. We get
Speaker 1: to talk about what we want to talk about.
Speaker 2: I mean, hey, look, people, you you're tuning in for
Speaker 2: the football takes, but you stay for the stories, uh
Speaker 2: that I had because I thought like, kind of like
Speaker 2: after we did it, it kind of like a lot
Speaker 2: of other people wanted to get in the line, like
Speaker 2: I give Brian Bill, like I give Ozzie and credit
Speaker 2: for this. It's about the players, so Goose myself recipes,
Speaker 2: Goose raids. God, it was about us and let us
Speaker 2: give us an opportunity to show our personality because a
Speaker 2: lot of times it is about playing pranks. It is
Speaker 2: about playing jokes on one another and doing things I
Speaker 2: wish you could like if they could have a when
Speaker 2: we were when when I went back to Denver, how
Speaker 2: we used to steal teammates car, drive them off for like,
Speaker 2: drive them like a mile. You could see it in
Speaker 2: the dissteps we take, we leave it. We lead a
Speaker 2: car running with the doors over. So now you look
Speaker 2: up there on to here, you look up that like man,
Speaker 2: man searp man, Why you do that matter? I don't
Speaker 2: know what you're talking about, bro, I'm at practice. How
Speaker 2: you how I take your car way up there, leave
Speaker 2: it on running with the doors open, man, and then
Speaker 2: when they get out, the battery dead.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Or we would take their clothes in the cold tank
Speaker 2: when they get out, put them in the freezer when
Speaker 2: they get out, they steal. Man, ain't know what they
Speaker 2: did this, But syap, bro, why sharp did everything? Why
Speaker 2: I gotta beat the guy? Y'all blame me?
Speaker 5: They got me good my rookie year. I never forget
Speaker 5: I had.
Speaker 4: I had an I S three hundred, I S three
Speaker 4: hundred and first car ever, first guy I didn't have.
Speaker 4: I didn't have a car until I got to the NFL.
Speaker 4: I had a little smaller I S three hundred. And
Speaker 4: they turned my car on, roll the windows down, and
Speaker 4: somebody took the fire extinguisher and they spread the fire
Speaker 4: extinguisher and let it off in the car are So
Speaker 4: when I woke up the following morning, the entire interior
Speaker 4: is all white. So now I come out. I come out,
Speaker 4: I'm thirty eight hot, I'm like yo.
Speaker 5: I go to I go to coach. It was Dick
Speaker 5: Labou at the time.
Speaker 4: I go to Dick Labo, I say, coach, coach lebo man,
Speaker 4: somebody playing around my car.
Speaker 5: Man, I just got this, like what we're doing. And
Speaker 5: then he explained to me how it goes on in
Speaker 5: the NFL. You're rookie. It's a part of the haters,
Speaker 5: a part of the routine. Boom.
Speaker 4: Same day, on the same day, I go to practice.
Speaker 4: My clothes I wore to go to practice.
Speaker 5: I come in.
Speaker 4: They soaking in the cold tub. Yep, they didn't put
Speaker 4: they didn't put my clothes in the cold tub. So
Speaker 4: now I'm hot and I want to fight. And then
Speaker 4: until I find out it's the goddamn d Limon. It's
Speaker 4: the goddamn it's the goddamn d Limon playing jokes. I
Speaker 4: ain't want no part of that. Yeah, I ain't want
Speaker 4: no part of that.
Speaker 2: We did all kind of stuff. I mean, we got
Speaker 2: we like, okay, you know, because we like to wait
Speaker 2: till the last minute. We already got our path, you know,
Speaker 2: got our pants on, and so we know we're gonna
Speaker 2: grab your pants like the lake. So we're gonna put
Speaker 2: We're gonna put powder, or we'll put water in from
Speaker 2: your shoulder pans. So we reached up there and pull
Speaker 2: him down. Yeah, dumping on you nail the locker shut.
Speaker 2: So I go back theail the locker show Lockershew, they
Speaker 2: can't get in it.
Speaker 1: What about.
Speaker 4: What about the baby powder baby your helm and the
Speaker 4: baby the baby powdered the helmet or you put the
Speaker 4: helmet on.
Speaker 2: Or we put or we put a warm knicker bar
Speaker 2: in your helmet and you put it on. Chocolate and everything. Hey,
Speaker 2: but that was it. I mean, look, that was to
Speaker 2: get through. But you know, but you knew who to
Speaker 2: do that to and who not to do that to.
Speaker 2: Definitely definitely calls a fight. Now get ugly now you
Speaker 2: know you knew who to play with and who not
Speaker 2: to play with. Sean Payton says he got sushi with
Speaker 2: the family, even though he doesn't eat sushi or he
Speaker 2: doesn't like sushi. He says, I'm driving home last night
Speaker 2: heading to get sushi. I don't like sushi, and I
Speaker 2: find myself circling around the pocket lot. Why can't I
Speaker 2: be Why can't I be happy? Well, you're searching for
Speaker 2: the perfect game. I'm just that way. I'm a good
Speaker 2: team player here. My wife likes it, my kids like it. Hell,
Speaker 2: everyone at the party likes it. So I'm a team player.
Speaker 2: My children would never take take me to a sushi restaurant.
Speaker 2: I barely even order alcohol in front of me. Are
Speaker 2: you that big of a team player? That is something
Speaker 2: that you don't like? And most sushi restaurants that's all
Speaker 2: they got. It's not like they got a diverse menu
Speaker 2: that you can choose from. Okay, you know what, I
Speaker 2: want a burger, Okay, you know what. I think I'm
Speaker 2: gonna get a chicken most of the time when it's sushi.
Speaker 2: That's kind of what the menu. Because I'm not so
Speaker 2: sure you going to a restaurant that has a diverse menu,
Speaker 2: that has sushi, has burger, half pize, sons and stuff
Speaker 2: like that. Now, so you're kind of limited when you
Speaker 2: go to a sushi restaurant. Are you a team player?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 5: I think I'm a team player. To an extra.
Speaker 4: But if my team, if my team and my family,
Speaker 4: my wife and my kids actually love me, I don't
Speaker 4: think they will put me in a position to take
Speaker 4: me somewhere where they know I'm not going to enjoy
Speaker 4: the food. And that's including my woman too. I would
Speaker 4: hope you know, you don't force me to do something. Yes,
Speaker 4: so you can say, well, if.
Speaker 5: You love me, you'll do it.
Speaker 4: Well, if you love me, you wouldn't have had me
Speaker 4: doing something that you know I don't like before you
Speaker 4: met me, right, I would hope so.
Speaker 5: But I understand where I understand where sawn is coming from.
Speaker 4: If the kids like it, if the wife likes it,
Speaker 4: that's a part of marriage, that's a part of being
Speaker 4: a relationship.
Speaker 5: It's called sacrifice. Sometimes you got to do it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you're right, You're right. It's tough. But
Speaker 2: I'm very fortunate that my kids know my palette right,
Speaker 2: and so they know, like, okay, when they build this,
Speaker 2: when they talk about going not to eat the first thing,
Speaker 2: I mean, they know me so well, Okay, what is
Speaker 2: Daddy going to eat?
Speaker 5: Mm hm.
Speaker 2: So they think it though, even though it's them, it's
Speaker 2: like they know Thataddy is going to only eat certain
Speaker 2: things and so and daddy is probably and daddy's paying
Speaker 2: for it.
Speaker 1: So let's make sure.
Speaker 2: Let's make sure, let's make let's make sure daddy, daddy
Speaker 2: likes it.
Speaker 4: You know what I do like though, when now now
Speaker 4: that we're on the top of restaurants and eating my
Speaker 4: kids obviously, you know I have a lot of kids,
Speaker 4: and I have I have two divas at maybe three.
Speaker 5: I have one that's a little bit more Leeyan. I
Speaker 5: have two divas.
Speaker 4: Shot a in Jaciro, shut shout in Jakira, and they
Speaker 4: are five star eating, dress up, giving looks, make a
Speaker 4: pair last year. Everything got to be done now for them,
Speaker 4: for them too. I don't care where you want to go.
Speaker 4: You want to go to Poppy State, you want to
Speaker 4: go to Zooma, all those all those nice restaurants. Will
Speaker 4: I would the highest stuff. I will take the time
Speaker 4: out to go in there and fake it, right, I
Speaker 4: would go. I would go in the fake it because
Speaker 4: it's not a it's not an all the time thing.
Speaker 4: It's just it's an occasion. Obviously, everybody's in college. You know,
Speaker 4: my daughter's out in La So anytime we're home and
Speaker 4: we can all get together, I have no problem being
Speaker 4: a team player when it comes to them.
Speaker 2: But the best part about it is my kids are
Speaker 2: really not finicky. They're pretty much I mean, they're I
Speaker 2: think because of the way that when we went out
Speaker 2: we kind of went to like American Fair, we didn't
Speaker 2: really we didn't really branch out. So we were like, Okay,
Speaker 2: let's let's go get sushi, or let's go to let's
Speaker 2: go get tied, or let's go get you know, we
Speaker 2: didn't we didn't do that. So for the most part,
Speaker 2: they're like, okay, we're going. Yeah, we went to high
Speaker 2: end state restaurants and things of that nature, so that's
Speaker 2: kind of where their palete is now. I think my
Speaker 2: youngest I think Pooh will eat sushi. I think does.
Speaker 2: I'm not so sure about Kayla. Uh, she's She's never
Speaker 2: mentioned it to me. But I think my youngest daughter, Pooh,
Speaker 2: I think she does eat it and sushi already sushi. Yeah,
Speaker 2: my kids grown, bro, I ain't got no young kids
Speaker 2: like you.
Speaker 1: No, hell no, Listen.
Speaker 4: That's another that's another topic we can get on about,
Speaker 4: you know, you starting back over man, getting having a nice,
Speaker 4: a nice little one, you know, because it could make
Speaker 4: even even though you I'm not gonna say your age,
Speaker 4: but having another child, you know, it can do wonders
Speaker 4: for you. Man, it could do wonders for you and
Speaker 4: just and bringing that youth back into your life. So
Speaker 4: that's another topic we can touch on later on, later
Speaker 4: on down the line.
Speaker 2: It'll bring one of them. It'll bring my summers to
Speaker 2: a close. You know, I look at my life as
Speaker 2: far as summers. I like to think that I got
Speaker 2: at least twenty summers left. I'm not so sure of
Speaker 2: bringing the kid into the equation. Don't take about five
Speaker 2: or six of them summers off?
Speaker 5: No, not really.
Speaker 4: So if you think you got twenty summers left without
Speaker 4: an infant, you know, with an infant, you might want
Speaker 4: to add ten more summers of that.
Speaker 5: I'm just saying, it's in the it's in the Bible.
Speaker 2: Look, I got I got off. I got off really good.
Speaker 2: My kids were really good. Obviously, my oldest daughter she
Speaker 2: lived with me and her junior and senior year, and
Speaker 2: so you know, obviously you get you get you get
Speaker 2: a get a young lady with her emotions and get me.
Speaker 2: I'm rigid. I'm very structured. She's not rigid. She's not structured.
Speaker 2: But I think the thing now and talking to her now,
Speaker 2: and I'm so proud of of the young woman that
Speaker 2: she's turned into, is that when we have conversation, she's
Speaker 2: like Dad. I didn't see it at the time, but
Speaker 2: I really appreciate it now. And it's kind of like
Speaker 2: it was when I was with my grandmother when they
Speaker 2: telling my grandmother and my grandfather sharing all these stories.
Speaker 1: You a kid, you don't know, You just want to
Speaker 1: do what you want to do.
Speaker 2: But now and for me, and I tell people this
Speaker 2: all the time, I can remember everything my grandfather said
Speaker 2: to me. My grandfather died in seventy In February seventy seven,
Speaker 2: I was eight years old, about to be nine, and
Speaker 2: I can remember everything my grandfather, grandfather said. I can
Speaker 2: tell you I lived, my grandmother lived until I was
Speaker 2: forty three years of age. I can tell you every
Speaker 2: time my grandmothers ever got upset at me, and I
Speaker 2: can tell you why, and I can.
Speaker 1: Tell you what I did.
Speaker 2: That's how the impact of what they were, what they said,
Speaker 2: and how they how they treated me, the impact that
Speaker 2: it had. And so for my kids to like appreciate it,
Speaker 2: because look, I was hard on them I was.
Speaker 1: I was because yeah I was.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so you were you were the disciplinarian, absolutely, yeah,
Speaker 4: see I was.
Speaker 1: I was.
Speaker 4: I was a total opposite and and one of one
Speaker 4: of the few things that I commend those that I
Speaker 4: have kids from.
Speaker 5: They did one hell of a job. They did one hell.
Speaker 4: Of a job because I was more lenient, I was
Speaker 4: more leaning, and all my kids turned out to be
Speaker 4: phenomenal in the area as far as getting in trouble
Speaker 4: and making some of the right decisions. And I take
Speaker 4: I don't, I don't. I don't want to take the credit.
Speaker 4: I'm not going to see him pretend that I will
Speaker 4: take the credit for what they turned out to be.
Speaker 4: All credit is due to the mothers and because of them,
Speaker 4: and because of the structuring and discipline that they did have,
Speaker 4: even with the young ones. It's the same way everyone
Speaker 4: that's turned out to be phenomenal. And I've never been
Speaker 4: on a platform like this to be able to give
Speaker 4: them the credit that they do and give them their
Speaker 4: just do. But man, most definitely, I'm very, very very
Speaker 4: grateful for them. But because of that structuring discipline, it's
Speaker 4: allowed me to be able to do some of the
Speaker 4: things that I've done now even to this day, just
Speaker 4: throughout throughout the years and everything is going so smooth
Speaker 4: and transition because of them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was difficult because I'm a way away playing
Speaker 2: and when they come over, you know, the mom was
Speaker 2: a little bit was a little more or less will
Speaker 2: look lenient than I am. So you ain't standing on
Speaker 2: the couch, you're not jumping on the bed, you're not
Speaker 2: running through the house, you're not leaving doors opening things
Speaker 2: like that. So they looking at me like, but you know,
Speaker 2: to their mom's credit, you know, there's like, okay, they
Speaker 2: were kind of like, your dad is a little different
Speaker 2: than I am. Your dad's a little bit more structured.
Speaker 2: Your daddy is it always cares a little bit more
Speaker 2: as the mom.
Speaker 1: Yeah, if so.
Speaker 2: But to give those guys credit, their parents, their mom
Speaker 2: did a great job. They always the kids always had
Speaker 2: obviously the utmost and even though we had you know,
Speaker 2: we had our issues at time because you're young, same same,
Speaker 2: same had our issues and but we worked through those things.
Speaker 2: I think the thing the biggest thing for me is
Speaker 2: that looking back at it, like, Okay, I could have
Speaker 2: handled that differently. Yeah, you could have. And we talked
Speaker 2: about it and I think we're in a great place now.
Speaker 2: But the kids, for me, they understood. You know, I
Speaker 2: could just give my kids that because I would take
Speaker 2: them to the mall and and and people would ask like,
Speaker 2: how do you get your kids to do that?
Speaker 1: Like do what?
Speaker 2: Like they sit down, they don't move, they're not running around.
Speaker 2: I mean my kids would be all over the place right,
Speaker 2: Oh no, don't play that. M hmm, you show out,
Speaker 2: you get wo wide. It's really that's how my but see,
Speaker 2: you know, if you're not sat my grandma man, but
Speaker 2: you know, if you're not careful, you would do it.
Speaker 2: And you know you're like and I didn't, you know,
Speaker 2: I didn't discipline my kids much. It had to be
Speaker 2: something that that that really I thought that they really
Speaker 2: needed to learn a lesson in this situation because and
Speaker 2: and people like, well, why you so hard on them?
Speaker 2: I said, I wouldn't be if they were gonna stay that.
Speaker 5: Size and that age.
Speaker 1: I let them do it. Well they want to do because.
Speaker 2: But one day they're gonna be teenagers, and if I'm
Speaker 2: fortunate enough, I'll see them have they'll build the dogs,
Speaker 2: and I'll be able to see my grandkids. So I
Speaker 2: need to teach them right from wrong and understand and
Speaker 2: discipline and work ethic.
Speaker 1: You want something, hey, you need to you know.
Speaker 2: And and I've had this conversation with people that are
Speaker 2: that work their way from the mud, Like we say,
Speaker 2: we got it out of the mud and we.
Speaker 1: Got the concrete right.
Speaker 2: How do you instill that work ethic in them when
Speaker 2: they got when you got twenty five thousand, you got made,
Speaker 2: you got chef, you got your first you got security details.
Speaker 2: How do you instill that.
Speaker 4: That's a good question in your kids. I'm asking you,
Speaker 4: how did you do that?
Speaker 1: Well? What did I tell you? Yeah, I'm last option,
Speaker 1: not first choice?
Speaker 5: Okay, okay, I'm gonna try that. I'm gonna try that.
Speaker 4: But it's hard for me to say no, I'm I'm
Speaker 4: gonna be honest with you. I'm hard whether I'm the
Speaker 4: first option of the last option. If somebody text my
Speaker 4: phone you know it's coming, well.
Speaker 2: I think the thing is for me is that they
Speaker 2: know it better be a good reason. Now, the question
Speaker 2: is why didn't you come to me first? You get
Speaker 2: yourself in a buying because you trying to do something
Speaker 2: and not let me find out about it. I'm gonna
Speaker 2: need to know why you didn't come to me first, Right,
Speaker 2: I don't need to know all your business. You're grown,
Speaker 2: but remember not if you've grown, you've grown all the time.
Speaker 2: Don't be grown when you need daddy, because you don't
Speaker 2: love I've grown you don't you know you're grown. But
Speaker 2: it took me. It took me a while to be
Speaker 2: able to like, okay, they are grown, because I remember
Speaker 2: the first time I went out with my kids and
Speaker 2: they came back with the drink menu and my kids,
Speaker 2: my kids got the menu and they looking like, okay,
Speaker 2: I'll take this, and I look like, yeah, like daddy,
Speaker 2: we twenty five, twenty six, Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're right, y'all.
Speaker 4: They caught me off guard on our trips, you know,
Speaker 4: we take our annual trips when everybody get out of school.
Speaker 5: Man, we and we and we in Jamaica, we in Mexico.
Speaker 4: And I'm looking at y'all ordering who or the what,
Speaker 4: and I'm looking at real and it had and it
Speaker 4: hadn't clicked, even though they've grown, you know, twenty five Yeah,
Speaker 4: like okay, okay, okay, okay, I'm not I'm not I'm
Speaker 4: not used to that. And then I'm doing the preaching
Speaker 4: but why y'all not like your daddy? Why y'all not
Speaker 4: like your dady because your daddin't never had a sip
Speaker 4: of alcohol the day in life here y'all go, y'all drinking?
Speaker 2: Dang, you know what, It's all good, But that's them
Speaker 2: to have their own identity. What what got me excited
Speaker 2: doesn't get them excited. And I wanted them. I wanted
Speaker 2: them to have their own identity. And for the most part,
Speaker 2: my kid don't won't tell you who they are.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: Obviously my oldest daughter, she kind of looks like me,
Speaker 2: so the first thing they see or they're like, you
Speaker 2: look just like your dad.
Speaker 1: But if you if you don't know, I ain't gonna
Speaker 1: tell you.
Speaker 2: My youngest daughter kind of got my name right, but
Speaker 2: she'll tell people that's like, are you related to that
Speaker 2: that former football player? She's like, no, my mom just
Speaker 2: liked this name though she's the root for the Broncos,
Speaker 2: and she liked his name.
Speaker 4: So I can't all all all my kids look like me,
Speaker 4: but that that's a good thing because I look goody good.
Speaker 1: You know, how many how many you have? How many?
Speaker 1: How many? How many girls?
Speaker 5: Eleven in the possible.
Speaker 1: How many how many, how many boys? How many girls?
Speaker 5: Eight and three? Eight girls? Eight eleven?
Speaker 4: Is the possible? I'm I'm not I'm not finished. I'm
Speaker 4: not finished either, Huh. I'm not finished.
Speaker 5: Yeah man.
Speaker 4: Yeah, baby, she's trying to pretend like she's sleep Yeah,
Speaker 4: I'm working, man, I can't listen. One thing you can't
Speaker 4: do in life is you can't in on the odd numbers.
Speaker 4: You can't in on the odd numbers. That's that's bad luck.
Speaker 4: I have kids is bad Look, I ain't bad luck.
Speaker 4: The cup run is over? Yeah, my bank account don't.
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Speaker 1: Did you see that? O Joe? Did you see these? Players?
Speaker 1: So I'm trying to figure.
Speaker 2: Oh Joe, So I'm just trying to figure out where
Speaker 2: the hell am I supposed to take you. I can't
Speaker 2: take you the Apple Bee's or Chili's or Red Lobster
Speaker 2: or Buffalo Buffet.
Speaker 5: Iha.
Speaker 1: We can't go bowling, We can't go to the hookah bar.
Speaker 1: We can't go to waffle house.
Speaker 2: We can't go to a sporting event, not family pumptions,
Speaker 2: not a coffee date.
Speaker 1: We can't even go to church. I know what.
Speaker 2: I want God to look down and say, you know what,
Speaker 2: they're a cute couple. I'm a I'm a blessed bill.
Speaker 4: I think I think this list was made just for
Speaker 4: the sake of creating engagement, because I'm looking at some
Speaker 4: of this stuff. Movie night, who don't want movie night?
Speaker 4: Who don't want to go? Bowling clubs? What's running nightwab.
Speaker 1: With Chief k Factory number seven?
Speaker 3: With you?
Speaker 1: You can't take me to your house?
Speaker 4: Listen, depending on the guy and fellas, I know you're
Speaker 4: watching this. If she likes you, if she really likes
Speaker 4: you for you, where you go doesn't matter because she's
Speaker 4: just happy to be in your presence. If she has
Speaker 4: a problem with anything on this list, in any place
Speaker 4: on this list, it ain't about you. It's what you
Speaker 4: can do? What so what about we just that's all
Speaker 4: the come all to come down to.
Speaker 2: So I guess we're just gonna jump on the full
Speaker 2: five and then get to the team. We're just gonna
Speaker 2: drive around. We can't go nowhere?
Speaker 1: Can hell an? It plays off every place on here.
Speaker 1: We can't go They talk about Starbucks?
Speaker 2: What's I get? Okay, I get the nightclub? I mean,
Speaker 2: who would want to go on all go somewhere?
Speaker 5: Whoa whoa a strip club Day? You ain't never been
Speaker 5: on strip club Day?
Speaker 1: But that's the best.
Speaker 5: That's the You ain't listen. You alive, but you ain't living.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 4: You you're alive, but you ain't living. You ain't never
Speaker 4: been on the You gotta do that for me. Come
Speaker 4: to toutsies with me. Let's come down, come down to mimy.
Speaker 5: Let go to tutties.
Speaker 1: Man. I ain't I ain't gonna lie. I have been.
Speaker 2: I ain't been to the strip club probably about probably
Speaker 2: about sixteen seventeen years.
Speaker 5: See, you know what, that's the problem. That's what's wrong
Speaker 5: with you right there, that's what's wrong with you.
Speaker 1: Go for the wings. I used to go for the wings.
Speaker 1: I get the wings.
Speaker 2: Chick magic, ain't mad. I remember what you said in
Speaker 2: the barbershop. I know what you said. You're gonna name it.
Speaker 2: You're gonna name a meal after me. So I want
Speaker 2: that unk. I want that uncle on the menu.
Speaker 4: Listen, let's let's take a trip to Atlanta. You you get,
Speaker 4: You get your girl, I get my girl. We just
Speaker 4: go in there and just just have some fun. Just
Speaker 4: just relax, unwined. Let you let your wings out.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 5: It just and woosa through some ones, O.
Speaker 1: Joe, if we go.
Speaker 2: Look, I ain't been, like I said, I ain't being
Speaker 2: but see it's it's different, bro.
Speaker 1: I mean I would Joe. You can't go, Bro, It's
Speaker 1: gonna be on TMZ and people taking no.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, no, no no no.
Speaker 4: We we were in Atlanta, this black Hollywood, black Hollywood.
Speaker 4: We ain't got to deal with that. They're not even
Speaker 4: gonna bother us. It's just you need to listen. I'm
Speaker 4: telling you work a lot. You're doing a lot. You're
Speaker 4: doing a lot for a lot of people. You need
Speaker 4: a rent, you need a reset, you need a mental reset,
Speaker 4: you need some relaxation aside from something that you.
Speaker 5: Haven't done in a very long time. And you could
Speaker 5: use that.
Speaker 4: And what better person to have with you and somebody
Speaker 4: like me that doesn't even do it, I don't even
Speaker 4: do it.
Speaker 1: Let me tell you when I'm when I want some
Speaker 1: rest and relaxation. I do. Get to Atlanta.
Speaker 2: I go in my room, I get massages, I get
Speaker 2: my nails done, I go get a haircut. Right, come on,
Speaker 2: I come out, I go to the kitchen, I eat,
Speaker 2: I go back in my room. I don't even cut
Speaker 2: the TV on, I don't even cut.
Speaker 4: You are alive, but you ain't living, baby. I got you,
Speaker 4: I got you I got you.
Speaker 2: I want, I want, I want my girl, I want,
Speaker 2: I want us to do stuff. But going to the
Speaker 2: strip club one thing I want me her to do.
Speaker 2: That's the problem. That's the problem. You want to you
Speaker 2: stuck in your box, in your ways. You have a
Speaker 2: routine and way that you do things, and that she.
Speaker 1: Got you know what, ojo.
Speaker 2: She would have a better chance getting me going on
Speaker 2: vacation than getting me to go to a strip doing
Speaker 2: with her.
Speaker 5: It ain't her. I asked you to go with me.
Speaker 4: Ain't going? Okay? Talking about but we could do that? Okay,
Speaker 4: next topic, long as long as you say again, back
Speaker 4: back back to this list, back to this list, Fellas,
Speaker 4: this list means nothing. When a woman likes you, a
Speaker 4: woman that likes you will walk with you, hand in
Speaker 4: hand to the corner stove. A woman that truly likes you,
Speaker 4: it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. And if you got
Speaker 4: to leave with money, if you got to leave with money,
Speaker 4: you already know what time it is.
Speaker 5: Get in how you're finding, how your fun and keep
Speaker 5: it moving.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you a question. Where did you go
Speaker 1: on your first date? Do you remember your first date? McDonald's.
Speaker 5: You know that I don't play. I don't play.
Speaker 4: I don't play, and that and the people that I
Speaker 4: dated in the past, they're going to see this. With
Speaker 4: all due respect, I appreciate all y'all. We went the McDonald's.
Speaker 4: Hold on, man, baby, I'm talking about the first date
Speaker 4: you ever win on the first date, man, I'm not
Speaker 4: playing now. I'm not playing. If you can't appreciate what
Speaker 4: I love the most, then you have no business going
Speaker 4: me to nothing. Five star, four star, three star, two Yeah, baby,
Speaker 4: hold on, hold on baby, ain't no huh you can
Speaker 4: you hear me?
Speaker 5: Tell uncle? Tell uncle? We went for first date? You
Speaker 5: heard her?
Speaker 1: No, but it's good. I believe you.
Speaker 5: He can't hear you. You gotta scream. He can't hear you.
Speaker 5: You heard her?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Yeah, and listen if she had, if she if she
Speaker 4: frowned up or turned her nose up when I pulled
Speaker 4: through that drive through.
Speaker 5: Okay, boom, eld be my last time seeing you?
Speaker 2: Nah?
Speaker 1: What you here? Far me? Are me?
Speaker 2: Are you here for the free meal? I'm trying to
Speaker 2: if I'm not mistaken, you know. Oh, so I didn't
Speaker 2: go to the prom in high school. I didn't in
Speaker 2: high school. I was I started dating I started dating
Speaker 2: a young lady and was she married, got two kids. Now,
Speaker 2: I ain't gonna put nobody out there. And I think,
Speaker 2: if I'm not mistaken, the prom we ended up going
Speaker 2: to Red Lobster.
Speaker 1: Ooh, but the Biscuits stop playing.
Speaker 2: That was that was that was because here's the thing,
Speaker 2: oh Joe, our coach, coach Hall, like we ran track
Speaker 2: track track normally fell fell on prom and coach y'all said,
Speaker 2: what y'all want to do? Now I'm trying to figure out, Okay,
Speaker 2: I want to go to college. What's the quickest route
Speaker 2: to get to college, get to the NFL? Make somebody.
Speaker 2: So I didn't take care of my grandma. I didn't
Speaker 2: think the problem was going to be the best use
Speaker 2: of my tak right. Like we were, we would normally
Speaker 2: run having a track meet normally it was like reach.
Speaker 2: It was either the region track meet or the state
Speaker 2: track meet. And so that was that was my thing.
Speaker 2: But if I'm not mistaken, I think Red Lobster was
Speaker 2: the first.
Speaker 1: Date that I went on. And uh, but you.
Speaker 4: Know, I wonder how many people would have a problem
Speaker 4: with Red Lofso I wonder how many people listen to
Speaker 4: the chedda biscuits at Red Lobster or.
Speaker 1: Red on the list.
Speaker 5: Listen, let me tell you another thing that's topped.
Speaker 4: Tell me you ever had the rolls at Piccadilly's, you
Speaker 4: ever had to roll the dinner rolls at Piccadilly's, or
Speaker 4: you never been to Piccadilly's.
Speaker 1: Na, we used to.
Speaker 2: I've never been to Piccadilly's, but there used to be
Speaker 2: a buffet called uh Morrison's, and I think, I think pad,
Speaker 2: I think that probably the same thing I remember. I
Speaker 2: remember my sophomore year. Yeah, well the first time I
Speaker 2: had never heard of the buffe. For real, I had
Speaker 2: never heard of a buffe. So coach, so we attract
Speaker 2: to you and we run the track. Coach said, we
Speaker 2: run good. I'm gonna take you guys to the buffe.
Speaker 2: I don't know no buff all, but hell sound good,
Speaker 2: let's go.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So man, So we get there and like, you know, coach,
Speaker 2: you know, coaches either like paid, and I just see
Speaker 2: all this food. I'm like, so I was looking around, like,
Speaker 2: so what we do we wait for somebody to come services?
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: I really had never really like been in a restaurant,
Speaker 2: so I really don't. I really don't know what how
Speaker 2: this thing is gonna take how what what's the deal?
Speaker 2: They say, Nah, man, you just go ride and get
Speaker 2: what you want.
Speaker 1: I was like, so I can get anything that's up here.
Speaker 1: I can get, you know.
Speaker 2: They got chicken, chicken tenders, mac and cheese, mashed potatoes,
Speaker 2: make potatoes, all this. They got ice cream, cookies, brown
Speaker 2: I'm like, so I can get anything I want. Yeah, man,
Speaker 2: oh cho I wasn't the only one that had never
Speaker 2: had a buffet or didn't know what the buffet was.
Speaker 2: So we eat until we make our I mean, me
Speaker 2: and a couple of myle a couple of my teammates.
Speaker 1: We sick, so guess what we do.
Speaker 2: So, hey, I'm gonna take some of this stuff holding
Speaker 2: my system to my grandma. So I start getting napkins.
Speaker 5: I put in your pocket.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I put chicken in my pocket. Put some chicken.
Speaker 2: I had like like two or three breasts, some short
Speaker 2: some drumsticks. And so the coach see us, but he
Speaker 2: don't say nothing I got, you know, I got cooking
Speaker 2: in my hand. I got brownest and I don't even
Speaker 2: really like bride, but I know my grandma. He like,
Speaker 2: go to fried chicken. So we get on the bus
Speaker 2: coach all turns around. He says, suckers is all you
Speaker 2: can eat, not all you can eat and take out? Man, hey, everybody,
Speaker 2: but I wasn't only one, O yo, I wasn't only one.
Speaker 2: But I always thought like when I went somewhere like that, Oh,
Speaker 2: my grandma gonna get some school here.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, for sure.
Speaker 5: What's funny thing.
Speaker 4: I'm looking at the list, I'm thinking I see churches
Speaker 4: on that too. We think, me and my grandma, Me
Speaker 4: and my grandma, we went to my Olive Baptist church
Speaker 4: in over Town, My my Olive it Baptist Church over Town.
Speaker 5: We you think we went to eat out at the church.
Speaker 5: Every Sunday church is chicken.
Speaker 4: Why do you think I told you I don't like
Speaker 4: Chris being nosy dipping my hand and her stuff.
Speaker 5: Yeah, come on, man, we went.
Speaker 2: We went to Grandy House to eat, you know, because
Speaker 2: Sunday was the only time to see we I never
Speaker 2: had chicken. I never had chicken on any other day
Speaker 2: but Sunday. Now what you didn't get, what you didn't
Speaker 2: off with if you didn't eat it all on Sunday,
Speaker 2: you got some mother fried chicken.
Speaker 1: On Monday.
Speaker 2: But I never had chicken. I never had fried chicken
Speaker 2: on any other day. That's the only time that we
Speaker 2: got chicken with Sunday. My grandmother would cut it, you know,
Speaker 2: my grandma and my aunts would cut it up, and
Speaker 2: they would fried Sunday fried Sunday morning.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: Obviously my grandfather got the two biggest pieces, and so
Speaker 2: we normally got you get like a short thigh on
Speaker 2: the wing. It wasn't getting the breath. My grandfather got
Speaker 2: the breast, he got he got the bed feet. But
Speaker 2: you know, you might get a short thigh, drumstick, short
Speaker 2: thigh wing, something like that. But they fried everything, so
Speaker 2: you know, we eat the neck and things and things
Speaker 2: like that. So I was like man. And then the
Speaker 2: next day what you didn't eat, my grandfather, you know,
Speaker 2: got the fly hour in the water and mother Friday.
Speaker 2: So now we have fried chicken and whatever vegetable we had,
Speaker 2: and then we have some mother fried chicken and rice
Speaker 2: on Monday.
Speaker 1: But hot dogs was Friday. Was Friday night. My grandmother
Speaker 1: got PAGs.
Speaker 5: Wait hold on with baked beans. How that were bab bees?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: See you doing too much, Joe. We got the hot
Speaker 2: dog checked this out. We got the hot dog that
Speaker 2: came fifth in the pack, and they was like you
Speaker 2: remember them hot dogs that can't fit and they still
Speaker 2: and they still had the plastic on them when you.
Speaker 1: Put them in. Yeah, that's those are the ones that
Speaker 1: we had.
Speaker 2: And back then you got bread bread with three loads
Speaker 2: for a dollar. You get three loads of bread for
Speaker 2: a dollar, so we got no fit. My grandma buy
Speaker 2: the thing of fifty hot dogs.
Speaker 1: Man, you tall about like I said that a bun.
Speaker 5: Wait you ain't.
Speaker 4: You ain't had to forget I know, just talk about
Speaker 4: but I mean, my mama, my grandma used to to
Speaker 4: make the hot dogs right, the same the same fifty
Speaker 4: fact you talk about, chop it up the beans with
Speaker 4: the with the with the little honey and the beans
Speaker 4: and mix it up.
Speaker 2: What no, no, no, grandy granny wasn't doing all that. You look,
Speaker 2: my grandma didn't.
Speaker 1: We didn't.
Speaker 2: I mean every once in a while, I mean, the
Speaker 2: only kind of like vegetables that we, like my grandmother
Speaker 2: would buy it was kind of like like like cream corn.
Speaker 2: But most of the stuff it came from a garden
Speaker 2: my grandmother playing in the garden, or the people that
Speaker 2: had farms, they had Okrah, they had squashed that had
Speaker 2: butter beans, that had field PE's things like that, and
Speaker 2: so you would pick on the share. So if you
Speaker 2: put you picked two bushes, they got one, you kept
Speaker 2: one you picked, or they got to you got too.
Speaker 2: And then you know, you bring them home and then
Speaker 2: your thumb saw it because you got to shell them.
Speaker 2: But yeah, but that no, no, no, no, no, but it
Speaker 2: was but I could, I could, you know, that was
Speaker 2: those are what That's what I remember.
Speaker 1: Me and my brother we talked about that all the time. Man.
Speaker 2: You remember, you know because my grandmother got paid on
Speaker 2: Friday one hundred and ninety seven dollars every two weeks,
Speaker 2: one hundred and ninety seven.
Speaker 5: It's amazing how times have changed.
Speaker 1: Man. Yeah, And.
Speaker 2: Like everybody around me was didn't have money like that,
Speaker 2: So it wasn't no thing to me.
Speaker 1: It wasn't no thing.
Speaker 2: Because once the summer come, you know we're gonna be
Speaker 2: able to work in the field that we're gonna be
Speaker 2: able to make it. So check us out on Joe
Speaker 2: Jannis said, Lebron James is the number one all time,
Speaker 2: setting the blueprint for other NBA superstars. Y'allna say, some
Speaker 2: guys might say he's number two, but other guys like
Speaker 2: me say he's number one. For twenty one years, you
Speaker 2: never get in trouble. To be able to take his family,
Speaker 2: protect his family, raise his kid the right way, you know,
Speaker 2: happy to be happily married, all those things.
Speaker 1: It's perfect.
Speaker 2: It's kind of like setting a blueprint for the rest
Speaker 2: of us to come forward.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: I think Jannis who's first, the second best player currently playing,
Speaker 2: Say Lebron James is the goat. Yeah, a lot of guys,
Speaker 2: a lot of current guys say it's Jordan, and they
Speaker 2: say it's Kobe, and that's well within the right. I
Speaker 2: ain't here to right the debate. That's that's your opinion.
Speaker 2: I think it's Lebron. But what do you take away,
Speaker 2: what's your tech away from what Yanni is saying.
Speaker 4: Listen, I like what Yanna said. I like what Yanna said.
Speaker 4: And when there's a standard that's set, or there's a
Speaker 4: way to gauge someone you would like to be or
Speaker 4: someone that represents not just the NBA shield to the
Speaker 4: highest of its highest order, but someone that represents being
Speaker 4: a father, being a husband, doing everything the right way.
Speaker 4: Someone that had I would think probably the most expectations
Speaker 4: on their plate coming out of high school.
Speaker 5: Is Lebron king James.
Speaker 4: He has the tattoo of chosen for a reason, and
Speaker 4: for him to be able to live up to that
Speaker 4: with all the pressures and all that that entails, speaks
Speaker 4: volumes to this day to this day. So some people,
Speaker 4: some people in preference, will be Jordan's, some people in
Speaker 4: preference will be Kobe. I'm not sure who else is
Speaker 4: in the discussion is being the best of all time.
Speaker 4: But listen what Lebron has been able to do since
Speaker 4: day one, since he stepped foot on the court one
Speaker 4: years later. It's respectable and it's commendable, and it's really
Speaker 4: it's hard.
Speaker 1: How do you argue that?
Speaker 5: How do you argue the fact? Because the facts are
Speaker 5: right there.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: The thing is, I think even though he had these
Speaker 2: high expectations, that's I think by everybody estimations, he's exceeded.
Speaker 2: No matter what you thought he could or couldn't become,
Speaker 2: he's exceeded your expectations. Yeah, And so for him to
Speaker 2: do it the way he has it, to play at
Speaker 2: the level that he has, and the criticism, because you
Speaker 2: know that social media is a different animal, because everybody
Speaker 2: now is a GM, everybody now is a former NBA player,
Speaker 2: everybody now is a head coach. And so now you've
Speaker 2: got a platform. I've got a platform. Five hundred million,
Speaker 2: six a billion people have platforms to voice their opinion
Speaker 2: opinion of.
Speaker 1: What they think a certain player is or isn't.
Speaker 2: And so for him to withstand that Onslaught and a
Speaker 2: lot of people have taken unnecessary shots at him, but
Speaker 2: for him to block the noise out and because sometimes
Speaker 2: the noise can become deafity, Yeah, for him to do
Speaker 2: it his way and to surround himself because a lot
Speaker 2: of times I don't know who his father figure was
Speaker 2: in his life. I think his mama, Gloria Glow, did
Speaker 2: an unbelievable job because think about it, he didn't go
Speaker 2: to college, so he didn't have a Dean Smith coach Smith,
Speaker 2: or he didn't have a coach John Thompson, or he
Speaker 2: didn't have a coach behind, or he didn't have a
Speaker 2: coach Kate. And if you think about it, he didn't
Speaker 2: have one of these a coach all Back or Phil Jackson,
Speaker 2: one of these great coaches. This him figuring it out
Speaker 2: his own as.
Speaker 1: A draft of the eighteen turns nineteen, and think about it.
Speaker 2: He says, you know what, I just think and surrounds
Speaker 2: himself with people that say, you know what, we don't
Speaker 2: want to hand out, We just want the opportunity. Look
Speaker 2: what Rich Paul became, Look what Maverick Carter became. Look
Speaker 2: at where Randy Mimes became.
Speaker 5: Can I can I tell you something real quick?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 4: And this is a testament to where I was trying
Speaker 4: to guide you and take you a little bit. And
Speaker 4: I'm not going to preach to you today, but I
Speaker 4: want you to listen to everything that you just said,
Speaker 4: but you're leaving one important fact out.
Speaker 5: We talked about Lebron. No no, no, no, no, stay with me.
Speaker 5: I stay.
Speaker 4: We talked about Lebron and the pressures that he's had
Speaker 4: to face and the noise that's been definite throughout his life.
Speaker 4: He talked about Gloria and the job that she's done,
Speaker 4: saying that he's never had the coaches that have inspired
Speaker 4: you about life and kept you on the right track,
Speaker 4: but there's one piece that was always in place, that
Speaker 4: was always in place to make sure regards to what
Speaker 4: was going on the outside. Once he went home, he
Speaker 4: went home to peace. So that kept him in line,
Speaker 4: and that was Savannah. And that is something that I've
Speaker 4: always told you and I will tell everybody else that
Speaker 4: out there listening and the credit and where it should go.
Speaker 5: Not just Jane, but sometimes when you.
Speaker 4: Have a woman's touch and a woman's guidance and a
Speaker 4: woman's vision, you might know where you want to go,
Speaker 4: you might know where you want to go, but there's
Speaker 4: one person that knows how to open that door and
Speaker 4: close it behind you to make sure you reach whatever
Speaker 4: that end goal may be. And what she was able
Speaker 4: to do for him is speaks volumes on why he's
Speaker 4: been able to sustain what he's done for such a
Speaker 4: very long time. Outside of the work he's had to
Speaker 4: put in, obviously, yes, but it all comes down to
Speaker 4: having that centerpiece to keep that entire household together.
Speaker 5: And she's the one.
Speaker 4: That's why I'm trying to get I'm not done with
Speaker 4: you yet.
Speaker 2: But everybody is not everybody's not wired like Savannah. She
Speaker 2: said her job was to be a wife, make sure
Speaker 2: her husband was straight, and raise a family. You know,
Speaker 2: sometimes I want my own I want to do I
Speaker 2: want to do that, and it's kind of hard when
Speaker 2: you're mad to a professional athlete, because he's going to
Speaker 2: be so demanding of your time. And so for her
Speaker 2: it says, you know, okay, you, I'm gonna push you
Speaker 2: to the front. I'll stand back, I'm gonna race because
Speaker 2: because it's hard when you like a Lebron, or you
Speaker 2: you date or married to a Tom Brady, or you
Speaker 2: maded to one of these historically iconic, they are very selfish.
Speaker 2: The greater the player, the greater the ego, and the
Speaker 2: greater his time restraints are to film, study and his
Speaker 2: body and doing all these things and to grow. And
Speaker 2: so a lot of the recitals and the practices, and
Speaker 2: they're taking the school and the carpool lane.
Speaker 1: He ain't in there. Savannah's doing that, and she's okay
Speaker 1: with that.
Speaker 2: Sometimes one can become envious, Well, when do I get
Speaker 2: a break? When are you gonna take him to the school?
Speaker 2: When are you gonna go to recital? When are you
Speaker 2: gonna go to ballet? When are you gonna do this?
Speaker 2: But I don't know what goes on behind closed door.
Speaker 2: I know who she is. I've never spoken to the woman.
Speaker 2: I know Bron had a couple of conversations with. But
Speaker 2: I'm sure uh it's not easy because you do. I mean, hey,
Speaker 2: sometimes I'm like, man, hell, I wish I could take
Speaker 2: a day off and not get up and have to
Speaker 2: go to work. Right, But it's a twenty, it's a
Speaker 2: three sixty five twenty four seventh.
Speaker 4: Say yeah, three sixty five. Listen, most definitely, most definitely,
Speaker 4: and listen. It's difficult. I know it is. But again,
Speaker 4: there's a reason why he set the blueprint, not just
Speaker 4: not just as a basketball player, but is a father
Speaker 4: and as a husband.
Speaker 5: It need to be it need to be studied.
Speaker 2: Oh that's me for me, oh jo, If I had
Speaker 2: it to do over again, if I could go back, Okay,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go back and I'm gonna start as a
Speaker 2: freshman in high school and instead of being a class
Speaker 2: crown in bull driving around, I'm gonna do my work now.
Speaker 2: Even if I say, okay, I want to go back
Speaker 2: and I'm gonna go back to Savatah State, yes, so
Speaker 2: I would have been able to say no and not
Speaker 2: you know, oh Shay, you got this great body. Ooh
Speaker 2: you find I want to talk to you blah blah
Speaker 2: blah and run with it out of gotten me one woman. Yes,
Speaker 2: I to sell them like, you know what, down it'll
Speaker 2: probably save me by four five million dollars, but that's
Speaker 2: not a hear nor there and now probably would have
Speaker 2: Now I don't regret.
Speaker 1: You know, my kids love them, They're great. Uh.
Speaker 2: They forced me to become even more regimented, more disciplined,
Speaker 2: more determined, more dedicated because I now I ain't just
Speaker 2: worried about granty. I got my I got my own
Speaker 2: responsibilities outside of granted, outside of my mom and my sister.
Speaker 2: Although I know my brother, it's a dual deal with
Speaker 2: my brother that's helping my mom and my grandmother, my sister. Now,
Speaker 2: I got responsibility that's not his responsibility or it's not
Speaker 2: our responsibility together. Of all the things, I wish I
Speaker 2: had gotten married earlier.
Speaker 4: But you know what, you know what, the great thing
Speaker 4: about life is the great thing about life, fizz. Some
Speaker 4: people never graduate from high school, some people never graduate
Speaker 4: from college, but something hits them in life, and regardless
Speaker 4: of age, you can go back and get your degree.
Speaker 5: Yeah, whether it's high school and go to college.
Speaker 4: Listen, that is gonna be that Listen, that's gonna be
Speaker 4: my end goal as a part of this show. No
Speaker 4: matter what we talk about No matter what we do,
Speaker 4: the ups and the downs, at the end of the day,
Speaker 4: my sole goal is to find your woman because I
Speaker 4: can't wait. And all I'm gonna say is I told
Speaker 4: you so at the wedding.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get up.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna get up and say I have a have
Speaker 4: a toast, and the toast is gonna be I told
Speaker 4: you so.
Speaker 2: Well, I hope it's buttering. I hope it's butter and
Speaker 2: jelly on that toast, because that's the only toast you're
Speaker 2: gonna be given to me. Las campbell uh says he
Speaker 2: spins between two hundred and three hundred thousand on his
Speaker 2: body after studying Brady and Lebron. I know you played
Speaker 2: against Klaios, big guy out of Denver, Colorado, wanted to
Speaker 2: be a tight end. I've talked to Khalais and said,
Speaker 2: you know what, man, I wanted to be like you,
Speaker 2: but I kind of grew out of the position and
Speaker 2: I couldn't.
Speaker 1: Catch the ball like you could. If you knew what
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 2: Now, how would it have changed your career or would
Speaker 2: you have done anything as far as training, as far
Speaker 2: as nutritional What would you have done different knowing what
Speaker 2: you know now.
Speaker 4: Knowing what I know now, I wouldn't have done a
Speaker 4: thing different. I respect individuals like Lebron and Tom Brady
Speaker 4: and the way they've taken care of their bodies and
Speaker 4: having to do some of the things that come with it.
Speaker 4: Khalais Campbell spending two hundred three hundred thousand. Obviously he's
Speaker 4: a bigger individual than I am, and therefore the wear
Speaker 4: and tear on his body might be a little different
Speaker 4: than it was for me. If I had to do
Speaker 4: it again, my diet nutrition wouldn't change. The same thing
Speaker 4: I ate when I was in high school and through college.
Speaker 4: I ate it while I was in the NFL.
Speaker 5: The way I trained you already know still to this day.
Speaker 4: I'm a mad man. I'm a mad man. I gotta
Speaker 4: be doing something. I got I gotta be moving, I
Speaker 4: gotta be doing something. And I played a very long time.
Speaker 4: I had no injuries. I had no injuries. So when
Speaker 4: when Marvin Lewis appointed a nutritionist to the end to
Speaker 4: our team, I had no There was no reason for
Speaker 4: me to break what I was already doing because there
Speaker 4: was nothing wrong with there was nothing to fix. There
Speaker 4: was nothing to fix, and I think I was very fortunate.
Speaker 4: I might be one of the most fortunate NFL players
Speaker 4: to ever play, to play an entire career and having
Speaker 4: no injuries outside of a dislocated dislocated pinky, you know,
Speaker 4: a little a little nick here, a little nick there,
Speaker 4: but nothing major would cost me to miss any time. Therefore,
Speaker 4: when it comes to nutrition and to talk about taking
Speaker 4: care of your body, it's like, to me, it's just
Speaker 4: everybody's different. Everybody's body is different, so it's hard for
Speaker 4: me to compare. I can't say anything about Lebron, I
Speaker 4: can't say anything about Khalais Campbell or any other players
Speaker 4: that take care of everybody and having to spend money
Speaker 4: on it.
Speaker 5: To me, I think it's the mind thing. It's a
Speaker 5: mind thing. I get up.
Speaker 4: I trained hard. I getting the cold too, I getting
Speaker 4: hot up. I never got massages. I don't want nobody
Speaker 4: touching me, don't I never got massages.
Speaker 2: And you bleed the cold tub got had something to
Speaker 2: do with it, or you wouldn't have got in it.
Speaker 4: Oh no, because I just I saw everybody else doing it,
Speaker 4: So I just wanted to follow what everybody else was doing.
Speaker 5: At TJT.
Speaker 1: You did you did? You did that? Wife? You did
Speaker 1: this throughout your career?
Speaker 4: Yeah, because T TJ, t J, who Schmazata and Carlston
Speaker 4: Palmer told me you should get in the cold tub.
Speaker 4: You running yourself ragged. You're running dude, listen, let me
Speaker 4: tell you how I practice this is. I was, I
Speaker 4: was a I want to say that word. I want
Speaker 4: to say to our word. I was ridiculous. I did
Speaker 4: a scout team, I went off, I did kickoff. I
Speaker 4: used to I used to play the gunner. This is
Speaker 4: in practice, just to get me in rhythm, getting preparing
Speaker 4: for a game. T O t O's with us in
Speaker 4: twenty ten. THEO pulled me to the side and said, man,
Speaker 4: what the hell are you doing?
Speaker 1: What are you doing?
Speaker 4: I'm taking all the goddamn snap. I said, this is
Speaker 4: how I always get ready for Sundays. He said, man,
Speaker 4: you running yourself ragged. Man, you're gonna be tired when
Speaker 4: the games come. I say, t this is the way
Speaker 4: I practiced it, and I'm used to it. So that
Speaker 4: was one of that was one of the George that
Speaker 4: having Tea there and having to show me how to
Speaker 4: manage my body and minimize some of the work that
Speaker 4: I was putting in during the week. But that's all
Speaker 4: that I knew, And I think that's one of the
Speaker 4: reasons why I never got hurt. I put my body
Speaker 4: through the ringer constantly to where you know what. When
Speaker 4: it was time to play and time to get hit
Speaker 4: and take those hits, I just get right up and
Speaker 4: keep on.
Speaker 1: What if you getting in the hyperbaric chamber?
Speaker 2: What if you're eating right, instead of having eleven thousand
Speaker 2: yards you had fourteen thousand, and.
Speaker 1: Instead of having sixty sixty touchdowns, you had ninety.
Speaker 4: How how I just told you I never got hurt.
Speaker 4: I didn't miss any time. So with the widows numbers
Speaker 4: gonna come from Madden.
Speaker 2: No, No, maybe instead of and maybe instead of back,
Speaker 2: maybe you break a tackle. Instead of having a fifteen
Speaker 2: yard game, you get a thirty yard game.
Speaker 5: I never got tackled by the first man.
Speaker 1: Man, stop it, O yoke.
Speaker 5: You saw you saw what I did the raid. Don't
Speaker 5: don't play me like that.
Speaker 1: No, I saw you got Listen.
Speaker 5: No, but listen.
Speaker 4: Another thing that I hate people, Oh, I mean healthy.
Speaker 4: I mean healthy because it's gonna make it gonna help
Speaker 4: me perform better.
Speaker 5: No it's not.
Speaker 4: No, it's not because how you perform is a skill set.
Speaker 4: It's a skill set based on how hard do you
Speaker 4: train and what God has blessed you with. And you're
Speaker 4: putting the two together, not the food, saying, oh, if
Speaker 4: I eat salad and I he's healthy and I do
Speaker 4: all this nutrition stuff, all of a sudden, I'm gonna
Speaker 4: be Jerry Rice.
Speaker 5: No you're not.
Speaker 1: No, No, listen, you good, You're not.
Speaker 5: No, that's it.
Speaker 2: But I do I do believe. I mean, I mean,
Speaker 2: but like you said, it's a mindset. You don't believe that.
Speaker 2: You don't believe it's gonna help. It's not gonna help.
Speaker 2: There's a reason why doctors tell you that that. There's
Speaker 2: a reason why doctors tell you when you have surgery
Speaker 2: to keep a positive mind right right, because my mind
Speaker 2: really controls the body. So you're not gonna get the
Speaker 2: benefits out of it because you're already going in with
Speaker 2: a neggative mindset.
Speaker 4: Even if you're not going in with a niggat mindset,
Speaker 4: I'm using common goddamn sense in logic telling me what
Speaker 4: I put that my body is gonna help me before.
Speaker 5: So it's a lie.
Speaker 1: But you I disagree, I disagree.
Speaker 5: I disagree either, you're good at your craft or you're not.
Speaker 5: You're telling me if you're telling me, or I'm eating solace.
Speaker 4: That means when i'm when somebody is in front of
Speaker 4: me playing man and man, oh, I'm gonna be able
Speaker 4: to get open and create separation because of what I
Speaker 4: put in my works.
Speaker 1: No, you have a seed, but you have a single.
Speaker 1: But see, here's the thing.
Speaker 2: I believe the guy that trains hard has the better
Speaker 2: nutritional I think that helps.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that somebody helps you.
Speaker 4: What in what area your bodies when you get on
Speaker 4: the field. It's based on your skill set, your skill set.
Speaker 1: But let me ask you a question.
Speaker 2: So why don't they put regular Why do they don't
Speaker 2: put regulated gas in pot performance cards?
Speaker 1: If it didn't make a difference with the car. Now
Speaker 1: I'm so, what's your body? What's your body? Is your
Speaker 1: body not a machine? Yes?
Speaker 5: Yes, it's my temple. So it's my temple.
Speaker 1: Why would you and why would you put you? Why
Speaker 1: you wouldn't put it?
Speaker 5: The high guys they get it.
Speaker 4: They got they got you believing that ninety seven is
Speaker 4: the healthy ship.
Speaker 5: That's how they that's how they that's how they fool
Speaker 5: you and to selling their product.
Speaker 1: Well, here's the thing to Ojo. What I did is
Speaker 1: that I tried it for myself. Right.
Speaker 2: See, yes, I could have like nah, I said, but
Speaker 2: let me see. And then I saw what it did.
Speaker 2: I said to dude, I saw mentally, that's what it did.
Speaker 2: I saw the changes in my body. I saw the
Speaker 2: changes when I when I made when I made the
Speaker 2: switch in ninety three, I said, you know what, I'm
Speaker 2: going to bring my own food to work. I'm gonna
Speaker 2: start eating like this. I'm going to start training like this.
Speaker 2: I saw the benefits. Now, obviously, all these hyperbaric chambers
Speaker 2: and all this other stuff that came around these physio
Speaker 2: guys that had these guys, these personal trainers.
Speaker 1: There's a reason why.
Speaker 4: There's a reason why, ocho all that's some money grab man.
Speaker 4: Can I ask you a question?
Speaker 5: How many is you played?
Speaker 1: I played fourteen?
Speaker 5: You ever been here? Yes? You had any surgeries? Yeah, surgeries?
Speaker 1: I practiced. Fractured my eye socket, eye sockey? What else?
Speaker 1: Broke my collar bone? Broke what else?
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 1: Had scope on my ankle a couple of times.
Speaker 4: Your ankle, Oh, your knees too. I ain't had nothing
Speaker 4: wrong with me. Yeah, see me doing a pretty boys.
Speaker 4: I was in the trench. I was in the trenches.
Speaker 4: I was in the trenches, and I played reckless. Check
Speaker 4: my resume and check the film you.
Speaker 2: Outside the numbers, bro, I saw you one time. I
Speaker 2: saw you one time inside the hash and everybody saw
Speaker 2: high ended.
Speaker 5: Listen, what era of football did I play?
Speaker 2: In?
Speaker 5: A f C North two thousand, Ravens, Steelers, Browns.
Speaker 1: Bro they had a bro they had they had them relaxed,
Speaker 1: incidental contact, Bro. Stop that's the road. Stop playing, man?
Speaker 4: Why are you playing on the top like that? McDonald's
Speaker 4: my whole career, no injuries.
Speaker 1: Just think about what you could have been.
Speaker 5: I was that.
Speaker 1: I was him? What you could have been? I was?
Speaker 1: I was him?
Speaker 2: And you noticed that all the top if you take
Speaker 2: all the top end guys. You look at the guys
Speaker 2: that played Jerry, look at Walter Payton, look at uh
Speaker 2: uh Tom Brady, look at Jordan's look at Kobe, look
Speaker 2: at Lebron, look at.
Speaker 1: All the high end guys. What do they do?
Speaker 4: Let me tell you something. Everybody trying to be like them.
Speaker 4: You ain't gonna be nawing one of them. No, But
Speaker 4: what if you could be What if you could be
Speaker 4: a better version of you J and Jordan A McDonald's. Yeah,
Speaker 4: we're saying both A McDonald's.
Speaker 5: Not not not.
Speaker 4: When he was training for the Olympics. For the Olympics,
Speaker 4: I called Michael. I called Michael right now, I call
Speaker 4: let him tell you I called Mike. Hold on, you
Speaker 4: want to call him, don't don't do that. Michael, Jordan
Speaker 4: ate eight McDonald's. Talk to me now, oh chicken my
Speaker 4: nuggets before the game, ocho, you could eat anything in
Speaker 4: moderation and listen. Why why why do we continue to
Speaker 4: use the highest of iconic athletes as examples is beyond
Speaker 4: me because nobody is gonna be like that.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you a question.
Speaker 2: Do you take anything Do you take financial advice from
Speaker 2: anybody that ain't got money?
Speaker 5: Yes?
Speaker 1: No, you listened to the musk, you listened to guys
Speaker 1: that built businesses.
Speaker 4: I don't take financial advice from nobody but myself. That's
Speaker 4: why I still got all my goddamn money.
Speaker 1: Period.
Speaker 5: Now listen to me.
Speaker 1: I did it.
Speaker 4: I did it with no injury, So you're not gonna
Speaker 4: tell me the way I did it don't work because
Speaker 4: it worked.
Speaker 5: You had thirty you had thirty seven surgeries, and I
Speaker 5: ain't had now.
Speaker 2: Oo, yes, sir, so what if the difference? But think
Speaker 2: about it at different different think about it. How many
Speaker 2: seventh round picks and after the merger made it to
Speaker 2: the Hall of Fame?
Speaker 1: How many did you give a second? I'm gonna give you.
Speaker 1: How many seventh round picks because on to be an
Speaker 1: all pro and go to eight pro bowls? How many.
Speaker 5: Can you finish? Can I finish?
Speaker 1: Can I go?
Speaker 5: Can I go?
Speaker 4: How many young kids out of Liberty City be the
Speaker 4: odds and then end up dead or in jail from
Speaker 4: selling the dope?
Speaker 5: Let me finish, you let me finish, Let me finish,
Speaker 5: let me finish.
Speaker 4: How many from kids from Liberty City made it to
Speaker 4: the NFL it was a full time all pro, six
Speaker 4: time pro bowler, name cemented, legacy, cemented name in the stadium?
Speaker 1: How many?
Speaker 5: I ain't got no yellow jacket, but I made my own.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's sufficient. How many? How many people? How many
Speaker 1: people live in Liberty City? How many people? What you
Speaker 1: say the population of Liberty City is now?
Speaker 4: Back then I'm talking about I'm talking about in the
Speaker 4: eighties when it was a war zone, and.
Speaker 5: It's the war zone.
Speaker 2: I'm talking about doing it during how many how many
Speaker 2: people you think Libery Liberty City, Liberty City, I'm not
Speaker 2: sure fifteen thirty.
Speaker 4: I wouldn't even say here and throwing nobody because I
Speaker 4: don't know. I'm just being honest. I don't want, don't
Speaker 4: want to play that game out. I don't know, honestly. Well,
Speaker 4: where I grew up at it was thirty five hundred people.
Speaker 4: What's the likelihood of you getting two out of thirty
Speaker 4: five hundred? What's the likelihood of me even surviving and
Speaker 4: getting the opportunity to even play?
Speaker 1: Ojo?
Speaker 2: So let me ask your question. Are there any other
Speaker 2: players that came out of Liberty City that play in
Speaker 2: the NFL?
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's a few, It's a few. It's a few
Speaker 5: right now. So it's time.
Speaker 4: Do you understand what Liberty City I came out? No,
Speaker 4: you don't, Yes, Ojo, eighties nineties Liberty City.
Speaker 1: It was ugly, Yes, it was ugly, Ojo. My chances
Speaker 1: of getting out was this, Ojo? Yes, Ojo. I ain't
Speaker 1: talking the odds.
Speaker 4: Yes, the odds were stacked, gives you way against Yes,
Speaker 4: but you beat the odds.
Speaker 2: Now, just imagine, look like I said, in your mind,
Speaker 2: you don't believe that nutrition and proper you know, massage,
Speaker 2: physio all that. You don't believe it worked. We've done
Speaker 2: a whole we got over two thousand more believe that
Speaker 2: nutrition matters.
Speaker 4: What are eighty three percent who they play for? Two
Speaker 4: thousands they play for? See hold on, now you're doing
Speaker 4: the argument. Now you're doing now you're trying to invalidate
Speaker 4: people because they didn't play. No, no, no no, because
Speaker 4: they they would if you didn't play the game. And
Speaker 4: you think nutrition matters? What are you using the What
Speaker 4: are you using as the fact that nutrition works? What
Speaker 4: they gonna say, Oh, Lebron did it?
Speaker 5: No yo, ain't you? You're never gonna be those individuals
Speaker 5: that they are once in a lifetime.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you a question. Are there more?
Speaker 2: Are there more athletes like you that eat whatever they
Speaker 2: want that don't believe or they are more athletes that eat?
Speaker 4: Guarantee you they are more athletes like me than it
Speaker 4: is they eat, eat, eat healthy. And I can guarantee
Speaker 4: you that, especially in today's game, I can guarantee you
Speaker 4: that I disagree.
Speaker 5: Let's bet.
Speaker 2: Let's bet I disagree. It's bet that's bed because you
Speaker 2: see that I disagree. I don't know how we quantify it.
Speaker 4: Can I ask your question, why do you think why
Speaker 4: do you think the injuries up higher? Why you think
Speaker 4: the injuries are more significant now than as opposed to before.
Speaker 4: Because I tell you, let me finish, let me tell
Speaker 4: you can I tell you why? Please, please real quick.
Speaker 5: I love you to death.
Speaker 4: The injuries are up higher because they eating all this
Speaker 4: motherfucking healthy shit. You play a barbaric sport. You play
Speaker 4: a barbaric sport, running one hundred miles an hour, running
Speaker 4: into each other, but you ain't like a goddamn rabbit,
Speaker 4: and you expect to survive a seventeen game seven season.
Speaker 4: But you, like goddamn rabbit, it ain't gonna work. Something
Speaker 4: has to give, you know, it's given your fucking body
Speaker 4: and its ligaments.
Speaker 2: I believe, I believe a reason why the injuries. I
Speaker 2: believe the guys are getting bigger, stronger, and faster. But
Speaker 2: I also believe that the guys don't put their bodies
Speaker 2: through the riggers. They don't practice hitting during the course
Speaker 2: of the week like we once did. And so now
Speaker 2: you're asking a car that hasn't been driven at one
Speaker 2: hundred miles of hours during the week that says, you
Speaker 2: know what, on Sunday, go one hundred miles an.
Speaker 1: Hour without being warmed up. That is my belief.
Speaker 2: There's no way to defindily determine it. But do you
Speaker 2: believe the guys are bigger, strong, and faster.
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 2: Do you believe the guys in the NFL are bigger,
Speaker 2: stronger and faster than they were in the fifties, in
Speaker 2: the sixties and the seventies.
Speaker 1: Do you believe guys are getting bigger, strong, and faster.
Speaker 5: Yeah, they are.
Speaker 4: Okay, so that means so that means the collect So
Speaker 4: hold on, let me ask your question. So that means
Speaker 4: because you can't even hit no god damn body today.
Speaker 4: You can't even hit nobody today. You can't even hit
Speaker 4: no goddamn by today.
Speaker 1: Don't do that. Look you just you can hit them.
Speaker 4: Kare Kareem jack Kareem Jackson just got suspended four games
Speaker 4: for playing football the way we did in the two thousands.
Speaker 2: Hold on, you can't even hit nobody. You can hit them,
Speaker 2: it's just the penalty now. And we understand that they're
Speaker 2: trying to make the game, and we understand with the
Speaker 2: lawsuits with the CTEs and things of that nature, we understand, yes, yes,
Speaker 2: But all I know is that we got twenty nine
Speaker 2: hundred boats, and uh, eighty three percent says yes.
Speaker 1: Nutrition plays the role.
Speaker 4: Y'all know what they talk about? Because he ain't none
Speaker 4: of that eighty three percent could cover me. Ain't none
Speaker 4: of eighty three percent coming me. And I'm out there
Speaker 4: on two cheeseburgers. And what you're gonna do with me?
Speaker 1: Nothing?
Speaker 5: No, nothing?
Speaker 1: We got three thousand boats. Oh Joe, look at it.
Speaker 1: They lying that what I able to do? Right there?
Speaker 5: Wait but you talk. Wait a minute, let me come
Speaker 5: up with what you talking about?
Speaker 1: Oh Joe, You a steak figure, you stik, you strong man?
Speaker 1: You talk about man?
Speaker 5: Ain't the only one you you're talking about? You talking
Speaker 5: about man? You ain't the only one? Yeah, look yeah,
Speaker 5: look at that you you laughing. This ain't nothing. It's
Speaker 5: two thirty. What you talking about? Man?
Speaker 1: Thirty?
Speaker 5: Man slid? What?
Speaker 1: Oh Joe?
Speaker 3: You you you ate it?
Speaker 1: You a buck? You a buck sixty? You might be
Speaker 1: a buck sixty.
Speaker 5: And look at this man you talk about? Man, I
Speaker 5: just look like this man. You made me come back
Speaker 5: my shirt?
Speaker 1: Man, man, don't tell you why bro you wow?
Speaker 5: Now, but listen that's that's a that's a good topic.
Speaker 4: I just just honestly, you know, I know I play
Speaker 4: around a lot, but in all seriousness, for me nutrition,
Speaker 4: I just felt if it wasn't broke, there was nothing
Speaker 4: for me to fix. It worked for me, it might
Speaker 4: not work for the next person. I knew and understood
Speaker 4: my body. If they understand and know their body, you
Speaker 4: do whatever works for you.
Speaker 1: Man, you know what.
Speaker 2: I thought that same way until I tried it, and
Speaker 2: then I saw it like man, I had more energy,
Speaker 2: I had more stamina. I was able to recover. But hey,
Speaker 2: like I said, it's up here. If you don't believe
Speaker 2: it's gonna help, it ain't gonna. It ain't gonna It
Speaker 2: ain't gonna work for you. I believed that mine is
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Speaker 2: Nah, because I gotta go to work tomorrow. Hey, oh, Joe,
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