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Speaker 1: And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.

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Speaker 2: What's up, everybody, welcome to move the sticks DJ, Bucky

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Speaker 2: back with you, Buck.

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Speaker 3: I had one person.

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Speaker 2: Reach out on Twitter and said, don't change the introduction,

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Speaker 2: so we're gonna keep you the same. You know, I

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Speaker 2: didn't know if I need to introduce us anymore. We're

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Speaker 2: over a thousand episodes. I think people kind of figured

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Speaker 2: out who's who here, But no, I mean, I'm gonna

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Speaker 2: know to tweet us on that, and so just keep

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Speaker 2: We'll keep.

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Speaker 4: Against his and consistencies everything. I appreciate it. I appreciate

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Speaker 4: four long time. So let's do it.

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Speaker 5: Let's rock with it.

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Speaker 2: All right, here's what we got today. We are a

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Speaker 2: little breakdown on Caleb Williams pro day. I don't think

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Speaker 2: there's really much to talk about there, but we'll kick

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Speaker 2: that around. We've got Mike Williams signing a contract with

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Speaker 2: the Jets. The Jets have gone kind of all in

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Speaker 2: on veteran players, high upside but some durability questions. Mike

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Speaker 2: Williams one of my favorite dudes that i've been around

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Speaker 2: with the Chargers for the last six years. We'll talk

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Speaker 2: about that for a minute, and then the majority of

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Speaker 2: the episode is going to be your new top fiveblus

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Speaker 2: every single position in the NFL Draft. Bucky does top

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Speaker 2: five players at those positions.

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Speaker 3: So he's got an.

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Speaker 2: Update and so we'll see what that's all about and

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Speaker 2: have some fun there. But first of all, bout Kayleb

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Speaker 2: Williams pro Day. What do you think?

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Speaker 5: Look?

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Speaker 1: I do?

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Speaker 5: Look.

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Speaker 4: I think it was about as basic and as simple

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Speaker 4: what Kayleb Williams did is he hit the ball right

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Speaker 4: down the fairway. He didn't try and do too much,

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Speaker 4: he didn't try and overdo it. He showed people that

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Speaker 4: as you said, a wellness check, Hey man, I'm alive,

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Speaker 4: I'm here here all like ten fingers ten toes were

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Speaker 4: still able to do what we need to do.

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Speaker 5: I look, I thought it was good.

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Speaker 4: One thing that stood out to me and I actually

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Speaker 4: Pro day. The poise to me came and just how

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Speaker 4: like dj I told you, we talked about it. It

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Speaker 4: He's messing around, he can toss it. We were joking

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Speaker 4: that Kayler Williams has answer has little do with football,

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Speaker 4: but more to just do with the person. How's he

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Speaker 4: It's really just the personality and the intangible.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was just kind of a smooth, easy day.

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Speaker 2: Him went out there, let's just go play catch. I

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Speaker 2: all that they needed from that stuff. I don't think

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Speaker 5: No, I think it was all of that. You know,

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Speaker 5: That's what the Bears were doing.

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Speaker 4: They were doing a fact finding mission just to see, Hey,

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Speaker 3: I had did you ever do those dinners?

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Speaker 2: By the way at protest where the team would ask

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Speaker 5: When we were there. I mean it was just towey. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: It was like every position coach and every prominent prospect.

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Speaker 5: I mean, is that this thing? I'm sorry for you.

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Speaker 4: I can't remember where we ate it. I know it

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Speaker 4: Like you know, when you're a scout, you just like

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Speaker 5: A better feel for the players.

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Speaker 2: I did a lot of those dinners when they came through.

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Speaker 3: So I had a bunch of those dinners.

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Speaker 2: I only remember one night before Pro Dad dinner, and honestly,

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Speaker 4: And the funny thing just knowing Scout life like that

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Speaker 6: see Yes? Absolutely, I want to see it all? And

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Speaker 3: Uh. But we would always do that and then uh,

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Speaker 2: I've got Bob Sanders coming into town and we are

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Speaker 3: Of the steakhouses.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. What was the who is the tackle? Huge tackle

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Speaker 2: It was it was appetizers, desserts to three main courses.

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Speaker 5: It wasn't his first rodeo, even.

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Speaker 2: But even though even though I was gonna get reimbursed,

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Speaker 3: Mans seventy and forty. That's that. Then add a dessert.

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Speaker 6: Oh do we have the automatic gratuity added to the

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Speaker 2: Quick thought on Mike Williams with the Jets. Anything there, love.

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Speaker 5: Man, this is the Jets going all in. And we've

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Speaker 4: If you're the Jets, if you're Robert Sala, You're Joe

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Speaker 4: even though he's coming off an injury, Mike Williams has

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Speaker 4: And you put him on opposite Gary Wilson, now you

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Speaker 4: It also frees them from maybe having to take a

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Speaker 4: They literally at the top of the board, they can

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Speaker 2: I think, let me give you just one this guy

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Speaker 3: Or brock Bowers. Who would you take.

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Speaker 4: I'll take Bowers. I'll take interesting. I can I can

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Speaker 5: I can see brock Bauer is just doing so much.

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Speaker 4: And because brock Bowers has dead flex ability, waking lineup inside,

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Speaker 2: But I just have a Dona. I have a Dunsay

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Speaker 2: I've got a trio here, which I love. And then

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Speaker 2: if something you know, Mike has had some injuries over

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Speaker 2: the years, if somethingow you like, I'm good. It's not

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Speaker 2: gonna it's not gonna crush me. But that could very

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Speaker 2: well be the decision. You know, talking about trade out,

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Speaker 2: at do we take an offensive lineman. That's some insurance

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Speaker 2: I don'tink he's a wrong answer. I don't think you

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Speaker 2: If that was the choice, I think you're jets. I

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Speaker 4: Yeah, no, it's it's a real interesting scenario because what

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Speaker 4: take a Dooonsay, you're backstopping Mike Williams. You're saying, Okay,

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Speaker 4: Mike Williams, the Doomsay, you guys are the three with

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Speaker 4: Garret Wilson. But next year a Dooonsay and Wilson, you

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Speaker 3: Is now we can move this Mike. Mike is a

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Speaker 3: one year deal. It's a one year deal. There.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you remove the money from Mike that that money

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Speaker 5: And so you still have two young.

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Speaker 5: Maybe a little short sight about taking Bowers, but I

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Speaker 2: No, I don't think it's the wrong answer at all.

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Speaker 5: Well, I think that's a tough one. Boy. I think

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Speaker 3: Yea, you might have to pick up the phone and

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Speaker 3: call Aaron, Hey, who do you want? We're fine.

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Speaker 2: We got the same grades on both these dudes. You know,

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Speaker 4: I mean, you might as well give him a voice.

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Speaker 4: What's gonna help us? What's gonna help you get us

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Speaker 2: Do you remember I remember way back in the day

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so they Troykman had gone and thrown and worked

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, like why not, like, why not have

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Speaker 4: to tight and do. Let's see what he looks like

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Speaker 4: It's really important. And when you're dealing with veteran quarterbacks,

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Speaker 4: Like when you a vet in this league, a Pro

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Speaker 3: No question. All right, we're gona take quick break. We

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Speaker 2: Bucky's top five has been updated by position. We'll jump

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Speaker 2: into that right after this. All right, Buck, We've got

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Speaker 2: the update here. Going over your top fives, let's rip

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Speaker 2: through them by position. Here, what do you got here?

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Speaker 5: We go? I mean, we just ripped through them. The

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Speaker 4: The only change is maybe JJ McCarthy moving up, Kayan Williams,

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Speaker 4: keep you on Bownicks maybe cracking the code and getting

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Speaker 5: There are a lot of people that are really intrigued.

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Speaker 4: I still think he's a red shirt candidate city year

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think to me, it feels like with him,

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Speaker 3: end up on one of those three teams.

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00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:53,119
Speaker 4: It absolutely does feel like that. It feels like he

438
00:17:53,280 --> 00:17:57,720
Speaker 4: is kind of in the conversation. People respect the winning pedigree,

439
00:17:58,160 --> 00:18:01,200
Speaker 4: and look, you know this happens. People have called around

440
00:18:01,200 --> 00:18:03,600
Speaker 4: and kind of tried to get Jim Harvard's real opinion

441
00:18:03,640 --> 00:18:06,760
Speaker 4: on him. I think that endorsement could go a long way,

442
00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:10,119
Speaker 4: given Jim harbos success and track record with quarterbacks and

443
00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:11,800
Speaker 4: what he was able to do previously in the league.

444
00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:13,400
Speaker 3: No question, all right, keep it going.

445
00:18:13,960 --> 00:18:17,600
Speaker 4: Okay, So running backs Jonathan Brooks, Trade Benson, Jadeen Wright,

446
00:18:17,760 --> 00:18:20,919
Speaker 4: Blake Korn, and Will Shipley. It remains the same, but

447
00:18:20,960 --> 00:18:22,640
Speaker 4: I got two new names in there, Jayden and Wright

448
00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:26,040
Speaker 4: from Jenny Wright from Tendnessee jumps in there.

449
00:18:26,440 --> 00:18:28,879
Speaker 5: There's just a speed factor, man, It's just a speed factor.

450
00:18:28,960 --> 00:18:29,919
Speaker 5: Straight line player.

451
00:18:31,080 --> 00:18:32,920
Speaker 4: I don't know how special he is when it comes

452
00:18:32,960 --> 00:18:35,080
Speaker 4: to balancing body control, but man, the juice is really

453
00:18:35,119 --> 00:18:37,000
Speaker 4: he have his seven point four yards for carry live

454
00:18:37,040 --> 00:18:40,040
Speaker 4: the nation and that and then I look, I feel

455
00:18:40,040 --> 00:18:42,600
Speaker 4: like Will Shipley has been one of the most slept

456
00:18:42,600 --> 00:18:45,280
Speaker 4: on prospects in the draft. When you watched him at Clemson,

457
00:18:45,320 --> 00:18:47,120
Speaker 4: He was kind of the bell cap of that offense.

458
00:18:47,440 --> 00:18:49,479
Speaker 4: He can run it, he can catch it, comes out

459
00:18:49,480 --> 00:18:52,479
Speaker 4: of the backfield, has some some special stuff to him.

460
00:18:52,520 --> 00:18:55,359
Speaker 4: I think in a committee situation, this dude's gonna have

461
00:18:55,359 --> 00:18:56,639
Speaker 4: an opportunity to make some plays.

462
00:18:56,640 --> 00:18:57,600
Speaker 5: I really like him a lot.

463
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Speaker 2: I wonder if you know where the Chargers maybe in

464
00:19:01,160 --> 00:19:05,280
Speaker 2: the third round, if Chipley's there, if Jim Harboss sees

465
00:19:05,320 --> 00:19:08,600
Speaker 2: a little tiny bit of Christian McCaffrey there, you know,

466
00:19:09,160 --> 00:19:09,679
Speaker 2: I see that.

467
00:19:09,760 --> 00:19:11,160
Speaker 5: Like I didn't say a.

468
00:19:11,080 --> 00:19:13,119
Speaker 2: White running back, but I mean just to catch the

469
00:19:13,160 --> 00:19:15,240
Speaker 2: ballater backfield can do me different things.

470
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Speaker 3: He's not Christian McCaffrey, but he can. You can see

471
00:19:17,840 --> 00:19:18,720
Speaker 3: some of that.

472
00:19:19,359 --> 00:19:20,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's one of those things.

473
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Speaker 4: So you're trying to avoid that comparison because you don't

474
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Speaker 4: want to do the lazy analysis.

475
00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:26,560
Speaker 5: Okay, white running back, White running back comparison.

476
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Speaker 2: But they were both big recruits coming out coming out

477
00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:31,760
Speaker 2: of the backfield, and you can see him do a

478
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Speaker 2: bunch of different stuff.

479
00:19:32,520 --> 00:19:35,440
Speaker 4: And having watched Clemson closely over the past two three years,

480
00:19:35,480 --> 00:19:37,280
Speaker 4: he I mean, he he was kind of just straw

481
00:19:37,320 --> 00:19:39,080
Speaker 4: to stir to drink on offense.

482
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Speaker 5: He can make it happen.

483
00:19:40,040 --> 00:19:42,200
Speaker 4: He can tow the load, he's quick, he's dynamic, great

484
00:19:42,240 --> 00:19:45,800
Speaker 4: balance and body control. Really good player. In fact, I

485
00:19:45,880 --> 00:19:48,120
Speaker 4: have him fifth. But you know, you saw the MJ

486
00:19:48,280 --> 00:19:50,280
Speaker 4: D and some of the other guys that played a position.

487
00:19:50,359 --> 00:19:53,640
Speaker 4: They love what he brings as a balance running back

488
00:19:53,680 --> 00:19:55,280
Speaker 4: with all the other stuff coming out the back.

489
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Speaker 5: He's a terrific player.

490
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Speaker 2: One quick thing on the running backs. Then we'll move on.

491
00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:01,280
Speaker 2: This is the position in talk people around the league

492
00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:04,159
Speaker 2: with the most variance. First of all, nobody thinks it's

493
00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:06,680
Speaker 2: a great class. Nobody thinks there's anybody that's a top

494
00:20:07,160 --> 00:20:09,639
Speaker 2: first round pick or top forty, top fifty, whatever you

495
00:20:09,640 --> 00:20:11,639
Speaker 2: want to put that number at. But I'm telling you,

496
00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:14,400
Speaker 2: like there's teams that'll have their number one running back,

497
00:20:14,600 --> 00:20:17,600
Speaker 2: like how they like them. And again this is like

498
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Speaker 2: talking to GM's decision makers personnel directors to be like, hey,

499
00:20:21,520 --> 00:20:22,800
Speaker 2: you know, who do you think are the top group

500
00:20:22,800 --> 00:20:24,440
Speaker 2: of guys? And they go, well, to me, we kind

501
00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:26,080
Speaker 2: of like this guy the best where we are right

502
00:20:26,119 --> 00:20:27,680
Speaker 2: now in the process, and you talk to another team,

503
00:20:27,720 --> 00:20:28,600
Speaker 2: that guy might be eighth.

504
00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:32,520
Speaker 3: Like there's no that's just the hodge podge.

505
00:20:33,040 --> 00:20:35,359
Speaker 4: And that explains why the veterans went off the board

506
00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:37,480
Speaker 4: quickly in free agency. You think back to the previous

507
00:20:37,560 --> 00:20:39,600
Speaker 4: years on free agent Frenzy, we never talked about the

508
00:20:39,640 --> 00:20:42,720
Speaker 4: running backs really on first day, boy they look the clock.

509
00:20:42,560 --> 00:20:44,600
Speaker 5: Struck bb b b bing.

510
00:20:45,080 --> 00:20:47,280
Speaker 4: All of those running backs flew off the board. And

511
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Speaker 4: I think it's a little bit of an indictment on

512
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Speaker 4: the twenty twenty four class and the lack of what

513
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Speaker 4: I would call it, like they bilk our running back

514
00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:58,840
Speaker 4: being president in this group. All right, tight ends, you

515
00:20:58,840 --> 00:21:00,800
Speaker 4: know when we go to tight ends, No, it's really

516
00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:04,240
Speaker 4: saying it's brock Bowers and everybody else. And the thing

517
00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:06,719
Speaker 4: about brock Bowers is we just talked about him being

518
00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:09,160
Speaker 4: a flexed that in that can do everything. The other guys,

519
00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:11,640
Speaker 4: the Tavian Senders, I think people have to understand after

520
00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:13,360
Speaker 4: the combine, they talked about his speed, but.

521
00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:16,159
Speaker 5: What he does is still applicable. He still can do

522
00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:17,160
Speaker 5: it on the field.

523
00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:19,360
Speaker 4: He's a good job running the same The guy who

524
00:21:19,400 --> 00:21:22,199
Speaker 4: made some noise for me would be THEO Johnson just

525
00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:25,920
Speaker 4: to combat workout being able to do it. Yeah, it's

526
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Speaker 4: just it's just looking at the position and just kind

527
00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:31,800
Speaker 4: of recognizing that sometimes the athletic traits can lead to

528
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Speaker 4: success at the next level.

529
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Speaker 3: All right, what do we got next here? White house?

530
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Speaker 4: Okay, so I got white House, but I got two

531
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Speaker 4: different categories. So I got I got white House, and

532
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Speaker 4: then I did what we did in the scutting room.

533
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Speaker 5: I created slot receiver. There we go.

534
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Speaker 4: My white house are looks standard fair? Right is Harrison

535
00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:51,719
Speaker 4: and duneesay neighbors, Coleman Thomas. I say, keep an eye

536
00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:54,280
Speaker 4: on tur Franklin. But there are other guys. Adie Mitchell

537
00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:58,560
Speaker 4: is in the conversation or whatever. But slot receivers is

538
00:21:58,560 --> 00:21:59,880
Speaker 4: where I kind of want to spend time and can

539
00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:01,560
Speaker 4: you can help me sort through some of this? So

540
00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:05,680
Speaker 4: my slot receivers lab McConkie, Ricky Pearsall Rouman Wilson, Malakai

541
00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:09,439
Speaker 4: Corley from West Kentucky, and Malik Washington from Virginia. I

542
00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:13,920
Speaker 4: also denoted Jacob Calling from Arizona. Of those guys, DJ,

543
00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:15,639
Speaker 4: I like them all and you had a chance to

544
00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:18,720
Speaker 4: see him all Mkonakie, Peiris, Wilson, they were all I

545
00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:21,640
Speaker 4: think down at the Senior ball. Quily from Western Kentucky

546
00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:23,359
Speaker 4: is a guy who has a lot of bus in

547
00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:25,359
Speaker 4: terms of being a guy that is pretty dynamic with

548
00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:26,399
Speaker 4: the ball in his hands.

549
00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:29,199
Speaker 3: And dude do all that other stuff.

550
00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:31,199
Speaker 4: When we think about the game, and you were just

551
00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:33,800
Speaker 4: talking about it earlier with the Jets and eleven personnel

552
00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:36,480
Speaker 4: three wide receivers, you kind of have to have one

553
00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:38,679
Speaker 4: of those slot receivers that can get down in the

554
00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:41,359
Speaker 4: new offense, someone that can do the little stuff and

555
00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:44,480
Speaker 4: get busy. I like this class of slot receivers because

556
00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:45,639
Speaker 4: there are a lot of guys that can give you

557
00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:47,560
Speaker 4: contributions in a bunch of different ways.

558
00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:51,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have going through mine here, I have Mkonkie

559
00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:55,320
Speaker 2: would be my top slot. Piersall would be number two, uh,

560
00:22:55,760 --> 00:23:00,560
Speaker 2: Corley three, Wilson four, those would be my top four.

561
00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:04,000
Speaker 2: And then I would probably have uh. I actually would

562
00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:08,919
Speaker 2: probably have h Jacob Cowen uh next on there. So

563
00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:11,320
Speaker 2: in actually smaller slots, that's not I mean, because there's

564
00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:13,200
Speaker 2: other like Jalen Polk could.

565
00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:14,560
Speaker 3: Probably be slot.

566
00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:18,679
Speaker 2: Ken Coleman might end up being a bigger slot, you know.

567
00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:21,440
Speaker 2: So there's there's some I'm just saying, like the traditional

568
00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:22,639
Speaker 2: traditional slot guys.

569
00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:23,040
Speaker 3: No.

570
00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:24,800
Speaker 4: No, But the thing is like, so we're in the

571
00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:26,600
Speaker 4: right thing, We're in the same neighborhood because the six

572
00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:28,480
Speaker 4: guys that I mentioned are the six guys that you

573
00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:31,080
Speaker 4: had ranked and you're top fifty. Now the orders only

574
00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:33,760
Speaker 4: flipped in Wilson and Washington and those guys.

575
00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:35,600
Speaker 5: But that's look that you're gonna get some of that.

576
00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:38,239
Speaker 4: I think we're fishing in the same pond though, And

577
00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:41,080
Speaker 4: that's the really important when we talk about the early guys.

578
00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:43,600
Speaker 4: I wanted to open up with slot receivers because I

579
00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:46,880
Speaker 4: felt like DJ, sometimes the way the game is changing,

580
00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:50,480
Speaker 4: when you use traditional positions, you end up leaving a

581
00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:52,639
Speaker 4: lot of names on the cutting room floor, and I

582
00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:54,720
Speaker 4: wanted more names good to kind of.

583
00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:57,080
Speaker 5: Populated, uh list of offensive tackles.

584
00:23:57,400 --> 00:23:57,520
Speaker 6: Uh.

585
00:23:57,600 --> 00:23:58,480
Speaker 5: And this is another one.

586
00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:00,439
Speaker 4: Man, there's so many guys like I feel like in

587
00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:02,159
Speaker 4: the future we're gonna have to talk about right tackles

588
00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:02,760
Speaker 4: and left tackles.

589
00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:04,720
Speaker 5: Then before we never did that, but.

590
00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:10,280
Speaker 4: Joe Ault, Huagashu, Amarius Mems, J C.

591
00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:14,200
Speaker 5: Latham. Uh, then I find a new from Washington.

592
00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:16,439
Speaker 4: But man, I, look, there's so many guys that you're

593
00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:19,800
Speaker 4: still leaving out that could be first round picks and

594
00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:23,960
Speaker 4: those things guiding you know, like did you get grand bardon,

595
00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:27,199
Speaker 4: whether you use them at at at inside guy or

596
00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:29,600
Speaker 4: is the outside. There's just so many names that you

597
00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:31,080
Speaker 4: can bring up at those positions.

598
00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:33,760
Speaker 2: I almost wonder like with some of these linemen if

599
00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:37,520
Speaker 2: you don't have you know, there's some guys it's like

600
00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:39,920
Speaker 2: they're they're you know, be rights. There's some guys that

601
00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:41,679
Speaker 2: are gonna be left even though we say, you know,

602
00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:44,000
Speaker 2: look they're they're equally valuable now, but some guys are

603
00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:46,560
Speaker 2: just more comfortable on one side or the other. Then

604
00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:49,520
Speaker 2: you have swings, you know, like play either side depending

605
00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:52,200
Speaker 2: on what you need. And then I also think there's

606
00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:54,679
Speaker 2: just kind of like some of those versatile pieces. Like

607
00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:58,560
Speaker 2: to me, the two maybe the two most valuable offensive

608
00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:02,440
Speaker 2: linemen in this draft are Graham Barton and Troy Fatanu

609
00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:04,880
Speaker 2: because I think those are five position players, Like they

610
00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:07,280
Speaker 2: literally could play any of the five positions on the

611
00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:08,199
Speaker 2: offensive line.

612
00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:12,160
Speaker 4: They absolutely can, and that versatility really, I mean, look,

613
00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:14,640
Speaker 4: it really pays off when you just think about being

614
00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:15,960
Speaker 4: able to get in and out of jams.

615
00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:19,880
Speaker 5: Look, look, man, I think what Elijah Vera Tucker and.

616
00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:21,879
Speaker 2: What he was, That's who he was coming out, and

617
00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:25,040
Speaker 2: I think is a better, a better version of Elijah

618
00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:26,640
Speaker 2: And I love Elijah Vera Tucker.

619
00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:28,119
Speaker 5: And think about how valuable he's been for the New

620
00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:28,760
Speaker 5: York Yets.

621
00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:31,639
Speaker 2: How when he's out there, he's been great playing left tackle,

622
00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:33,160
Speaker 2: right tackle, guard, you name it.

623
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Speaker 5: There's value in having that guy.

624
00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:37,760
Speaker 4: And so since we were speaking about Barton, let's talk about

625
00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:41,359
Speaker 4: the interview guys. Graham Barton, Jackson, Powers Johnson, Chris Haynes,

626
00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:45,320
Speaker 4: Cooper Bebe, Zack Zentner are the guys that I kind.

627
00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:45,960
Speaker 5: Of have up there.

628
00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:50,719
Speaker 4: Look, man, I think the conversation over JPJ. People talk

629
00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:54,600
Speaker 4: about Jackson Powers Johnson, highly decorated recruit, came in played

630
00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:58,000
Speaker 4: really well at Oregon. I think the thing for everybody

631
00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:00,159
Speaker 4: is where do you where do you take that into

632
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:03,120
Speaker 4: your position? We've seen guards and into your guys get

633
00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:08,720
Speaker 4: paid more. Centers are still kind of like a quirky

634
00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:10,719
Speaker 4: thing in terms of when you select them, how much

635
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:12,240
Speaker 4: you want to pay them or whatever.

636
00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:13,600
Speaker 5: Like, what's your take on JPJET.

637
00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:14,800
Speaker 3: I like him.

638
00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:17,840
Speaker 2: He's a power center. You know, he's going to be

639
00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:20,320
Speaker 2: like an anchor setter in the middle. I don't think

640
00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:23,920
Speaker 2: he's going to be quite as nimble on the second

641
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:27,040
Speaker 2: level stuff. He's just a bigger dude. But if you

642
00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:30,000
Speaker 2: want to mall people and move people. I Jordan rod

643
00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:32,159
Speaker 2: Rieke from The Athletic used this term when she was

644
00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:34,360
Speaker 2: talking about the Rams and how they change their offense

645
00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:36,760
Speaker 2: from being a zone team to being a power team.

646
00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:39,480
Speaker 2: And she used the phrase to wall and mall. We

647
00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:41,800
Speaker 2: want to be a wall and pass protection and we

648
00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:43,600
Speaker 2: want to mal people in the run game. And that's

649
00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:45,960
Speaker 2: kind of what the Rams. How they transform their offensive

650
00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:48,639
Speaker 2: line more duo, all that stuff.

651
00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:50,480
Speaker 5: They had to because they were getting whooped.

652
00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:52,520
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying, when people started putting the

653
00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:55,080
Speaker 4: bigger bodies at a point of attack. And even though

654
00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:57,640
Speaker 4: you want to move and run and all that, man,

655
00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:00,200
Speaker 4: big bank takes a little bank. The bigger guys where

656
00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:01,760
Speaker 4: you out at the point of attack. And as these

657
00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:06,120
Speaker 4: defensive tackles are huge but also athletic, you can't get away.

658
00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:08,159
Speaker 4: And I think the lesson for me is Man the

659
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:11,160
Speaker 4: kid that the Minnesota Vikings took from n C State

660
00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:14,800
Speaker 4: who we loved his athleticism, The center, remember.

661
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:17,480
Speaker 2: Center from Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.

662
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:19,879
Speaker 3: I always call him the grim Reacher. I call him

663
00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:20,400
Speaker 3: the grim.

664
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:24,840
Speaker 6: Reach Remember DJ, You remember how Bradberry Garrett Bradbury, Remember

665
00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:26,480
Speaker 6: how good he was as a prospect, But then man,

666
00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:28,159
Speaker 6: he couldn't get on the field because they were they

667
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:29,919
Speaker 6: were abusing him at the point of attack.

668
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:31,080
Speaker 5: I think you have to.

669
00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:34,800
Speaker 4: Have a heavier, thicker, stouter center now just to counter

670
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:37,640
Speaker 4: some of I mean, look, you put Dexter Lawrence over

671
00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:40,640
Speaker 4: top of some of those guys night because you can't

672
00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:42,600
Speaker 4: you can't do anything with them. I think you are

673
00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:45,639
Speaker 4: seeing a shift to the wall and mall types.

674
00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:47,520
Speaker 3: Even it's a great phrase. I told her I would

675
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:47,920
Speaker 3: give her credit.

676
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:51,359
Speaker 2: I'm gonna probably you know, I'm probably gonna forget to

677
00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:53,879
Speaker 2: credit her along the way as I as I adopt

678
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:55,919
Speaker 2: this into my Scouty lexicon. But I did give her

679
00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:57,639
Speaker 2: a shout out here. I want to make sure on

680
00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:00,280
Speaker 2: social media. Now we've officially done on the podcast, Jordan

681
00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:03,480
Speaker 2: rod Reek's phrase, she does a great job covering the

682
00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:06,120
Speaker 2: rams by the way, and that was that's the one

683
00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:06,719
Speaker 2: that I'm stealing.

684
00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:10,760
Speaker 3: So I'm frun about that. We've got to we've got

685
00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:12,880
Speaker 3: to crank up the time, buck because we've got another thing,

686
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:14,280
Speaker 3: okay to do here at the top of the hour.

687
00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:15,639
Speaker 3: So let's roll through the defense.

688
00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:17,760
Speaker 5: Let's do it here we go, Let's go defense. As players.

689
00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:21,720
Speaker 4: Dallas Turner a lot too Jared Verse, Chob Robinson, Brandon

690
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:22,639
Speaker 4: Trice is still up there.

691
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:25,000
Speaker 5: Look for me. The pass rushers didn't change.

692
00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:26,640
Speaker 4: The only guy that I would say that can throw

693
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:29,200
Speaker 4: in there I haven't listed with the d tackles Daris

694
00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:32,240
Speaker 4: Robinson from Missouri. I think there's gonna be some interest

695
00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:35,720
Speaker 4: in him. The Cam Jordan comparison may kind of stay

696
00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:39,920
Speaker 4: with him because I remember watching Cam Jordan at Cal. Yeah,

697
00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:42,120
Speaker 4: I think he was a good player, but not being excited,

698
00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:44,040
Speaker 4: not being able to anticipate it. He would have the

699
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:48,080
Speaker 4: pass rush presence. I think Darius Robinson has that ability

700
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:49,640
Speaker 4: to kind of go from being a guy that has

701
00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:52,360
Speaker 4: really been inside for most of his career to being

702
00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:53,720
Speaker 4: outside and being effective in.

703
00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:55,400
Speaker 5: The National Football League as a guy that can give

704
00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:56,479
Speaker 5: you some pass rush presence.

705
00:28:56,840 --> 00:28:58,520
Speaker 2: Yep, No, he's done a good job, but I think

706
00:28:58,520 --> 00:28:59,920
Speaker 2: he's more comfortable on the outside.

707
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:01,120
Speaker 3: It's a bigger guy. I would say.

708
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:03,040
Speaker 2: Neeland would be the other one that would be in

709
00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:04,920
Speaker 2: the mix for you as we come down the home stretch.

710
00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:07,960
Speaker 2: Here's he probably just behind that group he is.

711
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:13,440
Speaker 4: Defensive tackles, Look Johnny Newton, Bayern Murphy, Christienkins. I told

712
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:17,280
Speaker 4: you I had Robinson and Devandre Sweat. Look, the guy

713
00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:19,320
Speaker 4: that I'm missing is the Florida State kid, and it's

714
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:21,520
Speaker 4: kind of a fit when you're trying to fist like

715
00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:24,040
Speaker 4: bradst Strip fist, when you're trying to figure out where

716
00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:26,680
Speaker 4: to put him there. I will say this, his combine

717
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:29,440
Speaker 4: certainly woke up a lot of people on him. Then

718
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:31,200
Speaker 4: when you match the tape with what he was able

719
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:33,200
Speaker 4: to do on the turf, he's gonna have a chance.

720
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:36,400
Speaker 4: We talked about early, talk about being in your top fifty.

721
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:38,080
Speaker 4: He's gonna be in the mix. He's gonna come off

722
00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:40,520
Speaker 4: within the first fifty selections of the draft. I agree

723
00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:43,920
Speaker 4: with that. What are we got next? Linebackers Edwin Cooper,

724
00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:47,440
Speaker 4: Peyton Wilson, dre Von Trotter, Cedric Gray, and Junior Colson.

725
00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:48,960
Speaker 5: The movere for me is Peyton Wilson.

726
00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:51,640
Speaker 4: The medical thing is everything, how he clears out, how

727
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:54,040
Speaker 4: teams check him out, that performance that he put on

728
00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:54,920
Speaker 4: at the combine.

729
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:56,440
Speaker 5: It's funny.

730
00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:57,720
Speaker 4: You can look at the tape and you're like, man,

731
00:29:57,720 --> 00:29:59,680
Speaker 4: this dude plays fast whatever, but he can't be fast,

732
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:03,080
Speaker 4: and he verifies it. And what the commin does is

733
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:06,200
Speaker 4: it might change the conversation a little bit right.

734
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:09,040
Speaker 5: You may have coaches and stuff advocating like.

735
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:11,840
Speaker 1: Hey, I know the medical, but hey if we can

736
00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:14,440
Speaker 1: we can't ansll me this answer me this if if

737
00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:16,960
Speaker 1: he had never been heard a day in his life

738
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:19,480
Speaker 1: off of his tape in his workout, where.

739
00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:19,680
Speaker 3: Does he go?

740
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:21,960
Speaker 5: Oh, look, he's first round.

741
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:24,680
Speaker 3: He's the first round all day, all day.

742
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:26,480
Speaker 5: He has all the stuff.

743
00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:30,000
Speaker 4: He look when you watch him play, he plays exactly

744
00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:32,040
Speaker 4: how you should play the position. His hair is on fire,

745
00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:35,000
Speaker 4: he's instinctive, he's physical. I like the fact that he

746
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:37,040
Speaker 4: has a little nastiness and he's kind of.

747
00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:37,880
Speaker 5: Ornery on the field.

748
00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:41,440
Speaker 4: This dude is a legitimate, big time player. You just

749
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:43,840
Speaker 4: got to be comfortable with whatever the medical is. He

750
00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:45,280
Speaker 4: should be a first round talent.

751
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:48,360
Speaker 2: You know who he plays like and really truthfully tested,

752
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:50,960
Speaker 2: like is Ryan Shazier when Shazer was coming out of

753
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:55,040
Speaker 2: Ohio State and Shazier before obviously the terrible injury, was

754
00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:58,640
Speaker 2: an unbelievable player. That's the kind of ability this kid has.

755
00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:01,040
Speaker 2: He's a first round pick. Struggling with it. I'm like,

756
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:03,280
Speaker 2: do I just say screw it? Because there's nothing worse

757
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:04,560
Speaker 2: than thinking guy as a.

758
00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:05,320
Speaker 3: First round player.

759
00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:07,280
Speaker 2: And then you know I'm not a doctor, but you

760
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:09,240
Speaker 2: know the history of the injuries, and you hear the

761
00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:11,680
Speaker 2: teams and then I'm gonna watch this guy tear it

762
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:14,520
Speaker 2: up for the next five to seven years and go

763
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:16,760
Speaker 2: like I knew this guy was good and I just

764
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:18,840
Speaker 2: let the medical you know, impact me.

765
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:21,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's just man, He's even better than I thought.

766
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:23,120
Speaker 4: When you go back and watch him, he just makes

767
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:25,600
Speaker 4: every play and the effort is always at a high level.

768
00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:29,040
Speaker 5: But more important to Dad DJ, he is always around

769
00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:29,320
Speaker 5: the ball.

770
00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:30,640
Speaker 4: You look at his stat I mean it's just a

771
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:33,280
Speaker 4: ridiculous amount of production in a bunch of different categories.

772
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:36,040
Speaker 3: Impact, impact, impacts.

773
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:38,040
Speaker 4: I mean just all over the place. So yeah, he

774
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:41,800
Speaker 4: is a first round pick. Let's go to cornerback. Cornerback

775
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:45,600
Speaker 4: Taron o'nald quinnon, Mitchell, Nate Wiggins, kole Ay McKinstry. In

776
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:49,240
Speaker 4: this records shraw cracktic co queya on Mitchell is the

777
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:50,640
Speaker 4: one that has been the highest riser.

778
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:53,440
Speaker 5: And look, I'm getting closed. Like people talk about do

779
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:55,040
Speaker 5: you flip the card? Do you put him in number one?

780
00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:57,600
Speaker 4: He's done all the things, He's checked all the boxes

781
00:31:57,600 --> 00:31:59,080
Speaker 4: along the process the regular season.

782
00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:00,600
Speaker 5: You watch him in the Senior. You watch him at

783
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:01,320
Speaker 5: the combine.

784
00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:04,040
Speaker 6: He's big, fast, physical, he has a bunch of production.

785
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:05,280
Speaker 6: He plays well.

786
00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:06,960
Speaker 5: I don't know.

787
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:09,000
Speaker 4: Maybe I'm still holding on to the brand name of

788
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:13,480
Speaker 4: Alabama and Arnold, but the Alito kid is exactly what

789
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:15,560
Speaker 4: you talked about months ago, because you brought his name

790
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:19,160
Speaker 4: up months ago before people really started talking about him.

791
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:22,640
Speaker 4: He's legit, man, He is just a legit, big time player.

792
00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:27,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, I still have Arnold one and I have Mitchell two.

793
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:29,560
Speaker 2: But if you were going to ask me who do

794
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:31,880
Speaker 2: I think goes first? I think Mitchell will go. Mitchell's

795
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 2: can go first. The cards are four to three, three

796
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:37,440
Speaker 2: buck coming off of unbelievable week at the Senior Bowl

797
00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:39,160
Speaker 2: and had a great workout.

798
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:41,520
Speaker 5: The cards are touching on the board the car.

799
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:44,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're They're right next to each other. They're bumped

800
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 2: now now I know. I thought I thought Terryn would

801
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:49,040
Speaker 2: run a little faster. He at the Pro Day ran

802
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:51,480
Speaker 2: four or five flat. Again, But it is the comp

803
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:53,960
Speaker 2: to me was Jalen Johnson, and they ran the exact

804
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:55,920
Speaker 2: same time. Jalen John's just got twenty million a year,

805
00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:59,320
Speaker 2: so he's he's a legit and he is an easy

806
00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:01,440
Speaker 2: mover man, his shuttles and all that stuff. You saw

807
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:04,840
Speaker 2: those times that posted ridiculous. And he's got ball skills.

808
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:07,960
Speaker 2: I just obviously Mitchell has a gear you know that

809
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:10,480
Speaker 2: he can access. It's a little different. So that's why

810
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:12,360
Speaker 2: I think he will end up being the first corner.

811
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:14,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's interesting, So let's go to slot corner. So

812
00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:18,440
Speaker 4: Nickel corners created this category. So I got Cooper gen

813
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:24,640
Speaker 4: from Iowa, Mike Sandrastil from Michigan. Yeah, Max Milton, Kamari Lassiter,

814
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:27,160
Speaker 4: Daikwon Hardy are the guys that I put in that

815
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:30,360
Speaker 4: Nickel category. And it's funny because sometimes these guys will

816
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:32,760
Speaker 4: play slot early in the career, didn't bump out their

817
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:33,440
Speaker 4: last career.

818
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:34,600
Speaker 5: I just believe now.

819
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:36,920
Speaker 4: And you know, when we were leaving the league, it

820
00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:39,520
Speaker 4: was just beginning to get popular to put the Nickels

821
00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:42,120
Speaker 4: on the board in their own category. Now you have

822
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:44,040
Speaker 4: to count that guy's the twelve starter. You have to

823
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:46,760
Speaker 4: have someone that has a special skill set to play

824
00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:48,520
Speaker 4: in the slot.

825
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:49,960
Speaker 5: They had a lot of interesting names.

826
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:52,080
Speaker 4: Kamari Laster is one that stands out to me just

827
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:54,320
Speaker 4: because he's big, he can play outside, but he also

828
00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:55,000
Speaker 4: has a history.

829
00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:55,520
Speaker 5: Of playing inside.

830
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:58,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, the lasterer one's tricky because I love him as

831
00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:00,280
Speaker 2: a player and to the point where, you know, I

832
00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:01,560
Speaker 2: thought he had a chance to go in one. He

833
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:05,520
Speaker 2: ran for six. He ran for six, and so I'm

834
00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:07,800
Speaker 2: trying that to be I know, I know, and I know,

835
00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:10,680
Speaker 2: but the guy is a good player. He's tough, he's

836
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:13,279
Speaker 2: he's he can play the ball. I think he's gonna

837
00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:15,239
Speaker 2: obviously he's gonna have to play inside. He's not gonna

838
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:17,400
Speaker 2: be able to hold up outside. But I remember Casey

839
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:18,239
Speaker 2: Hayward is.

840
00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:22,480
Speaker 3: One long time not run well.

841
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:25,120
Speaker 2: Jordan Lewis I think was he come out of Michigan

842
00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:27,640
Speaker 2: or whatever with the count four or five?

843
00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:28,359
Speaker 5: Yeah.

844
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:30,920
Speaker 4: So the thing about it, if the player, if the

845
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:36,120
Speaker 4: cornerback isn't fast, his technique has to be like Christie

846
00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:40,239
Speaker 4: because what can happen. Your technique can allow you to

847
00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:42,960
Speaker 4: kind of limit the exposure that you have in terms

848
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:45,240
Speaker 4: of athletics, and you learn how to work cut off angles,

849
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:46,960
Speaker 4: you know how to play the ball, you know how

850
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:48,600
Speaker 4: to kind of put yourself in a position where you're

851
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:53,759
Speaker 4: never vulnerable. Kamari Lassiter's private workout will be important because

852
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:55,879
Speaker 4: you need to see where he is with his toolbox,

853
00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:58,080
Speaker 4: and will that give him a chance to kind of

854
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:00,839
Speaker 4: overcome some of the physical division that he may have.

855
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:02,799
Speaker 2: One of the things I'm doing if i'm if I'm

856
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:05,640
Speaker 2: scouting the Southeast is all right. If I'm even if

857
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:08,440
Speaker 2: you're a general manager, I'm talking to my Southeast scout.

858
00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:10,960
Speaker 2: I need you to go spend a day at Georgia,

859
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:13,640
Speaker 2: not during pro Day, on your own right now in

860
00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:15,840
Speaker 2: the spring call it g get with the coaches.

861
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:16,840
Speaker 3: I need you.

862
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:19,600
Speaker 2: Hopefully you have done a good enough job developing relationships

863
00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:21,359
Speaker 2: in that building that you can get somebody who can

864
00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:22,680
Speaker 2: give you practice tape of.

865
00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:25,480
Speaker 3: One on one And I want you to go back.

866
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:26,479
Speaker 3: Think about this. Now.

867
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:30,840
Speaker 2: We saw Lad McConkie run four thretey nine. We saw

868
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:34,560
Speaker 2: Ady Mitchell, who was at Georgia previously, ran four three

869
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:36,920
Speaker 2: three four three five something stupid like that.

870
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:39,880
Speaker 3: So there's practice video.

871
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:42,840
Speaker 2: Of him and one on ones working against real legit speed,

872
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:44,640
Speaker 2: and I want to see all of it.

873
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:46,040
Speaker 3: If I'm making that.

874
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:48,640
Speaker 5: It's funny that you bring that up about practice tape.

875
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:51,480
Speaker 4: They tell me that part of the reason Trayvon Walker

876
00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:56,080
Speaker 4: was viewed as a pass rusher came from watching practice tape,

877
00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:58,520
Speaker 4: watching his one on ones, watching the explosiveness that he

878
00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:01,040
Speaker 4: displayed and doing it even though he didn't have the

879
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:04,000
Speaker 4: production in game. When you looked at the practice state,

880
00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:06,120
Speaker 4: you could see the traits that would lead to the

881
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:07,040
Speaker 4: production in game.

882
00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:12,360
Speaker 2: Stingley Remember Stingley, Yeah, SA Stingley versus Justin Jefferson and

883
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:14,880
Speaker 2: Jamar Chase, Like I got that, I got that practice

884
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:17,080
Speaker 2: footage in this role. I can't imagine every team had it.

885
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:19,640
Speaker 2: So I mean that stuff's huge.

886
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 5: Look, it's it's everything.

887
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 4: So let's finish it up with the safety Tyler Newman,

888
00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:28,400
Speaker 4: Javon Bullard, Kylen Bullock, who you talked yesterday about potentially

889
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:31,000
Speaker 4: being a corner, Emmon Kitchens who ran slow at the combine,

890
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:35,640
Speaker 4: another one, and then take Smith from Georgia. The safety

891
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:37,640
Speaker 4: position kind of stays the same. I think it really

892
00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:39,360
Speaker 4: depends on what you're looking for. Do you want the

893
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:41,799
Speaker 4: guy that's in the middle of the defense deep or

894
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:44,120
Speaker 4: do you want someone who could be a split safety

895
00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:46,560
Speaker 4: who can also drop down and play nickels. Some of

896
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:48,960
Speaker 4: these guys have been comfortable playing in the slot. I

897
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:51,080
Speaker 4: think the new term that they use in college is

898
00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:56,279
Speaker 4: the star position that that hybrid nickel safety corner that

899
00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:59,000
Speaker 4: can be involved in the running game and cover occasionally.

900
00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:01,759
Speaker 4: Some of these guys list of the safeties have experienced

901
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:03,120
Speaker 4: playing in that star role.

902
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:04,240
Speaker 3: Yeah.

903
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:06,600
Speaker 2: To me, my top two guys at that position right

904
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:10,320
Speaker 2: now are are Nuban and then Javon Bullard from Georgia.

905
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:13,600
Speaker 2: And Bullard can play in the nickel, he can play

906
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:15,480
Speaker 2: in the deep half, or you can play him in

907
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:18,000
Speaker 2: the nickel. So that's those are the top two guys

908
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:19,680
Speaker 2: for me. And then there's a little bit of a

909
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:22,040
Speaker 2: level down and then you get that whole group of

910
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:24,319
Speaker 2: other guys where you have cam Kitchens in there, you

911
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:27,800
Speaker 2: have Cole Bishop, Kaylen Bullock again, maybe he's a corner.

912
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:30,720
Speaker 2: The guy to me that's kind of in that clump

913
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:32,840
Speaker 2: of players that I think is going to be the

914
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:35,840
Speaker 2: best value of all these safeties is Dominie Campton from Washington.

915
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:37,720
Speaker 2: He's big, he's two hundred fifteen pounds.

916
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:38,719
Speaker 5: He's six too, he's a.

917
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:41,120
Speaker 2: Six year player, but he's a good player. I think

918
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:42,959
Speaker 2: that's like a fourth round pick you'd love.

919
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:44,960
Speaker 5: So here's the thing about Washington.

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00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:47,040
Speaker 4: We talked about not scouting to helmet, but you understand

921
00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:49,360
Speaker 4: legacy and tradition. Just think about all the dbs that

922
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:51,200
Speaker 4: have come from that program that have had success in

923
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:54,279
Speaker 4: the National Football League. Even though Jimmy Lake was there

924
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:56,840
Speaker 4: for a long time and then left like that blueprint,

925
00:37:56,840 --> 00:37:59,720
Speaker 4: dead model like that, it worked for a long time.

926
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:02,279
Speaker 4: You can never turn down those guys that come from

927
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:04,880
Speaker 4: there just because they've been so well schooled, so well trained.

928
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:06,440
Speaker 4: So will talt that they don't have a chance, they

929
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:07,880
Speaker 4: have success, no better win they draft.

930
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:11,080
Speaker 2: No doubt. All right, well, this has been fun today.

931
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:15,040
Speaker 2: By the way, I think the ball that Machado hit

932
00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:19,760
Speaker 2: just landed. Anyways, it was a fun episode. Fun episode today.

933
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:22,160
Speaker 2: I feel refreshed and something about waking up at three

934
00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:24,840
Speaker 2: am and watching the Pods score fifteen runs.

935
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Speaker 3: I feel like a million bucks.

936
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:27,520
Speaker 2: I'm gonna probably have to go to bed at five

937
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:30,840
Speaker 2: o'clock tonight after getting that thing early.

938
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:31,759
Speaker 3: But that was fun.

939
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:34,080
Speaker 2: That's funny, all right, buck that we got to get

940
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:36,080
Speaker 2: out of here. Appreciate everybody hanging with us. We'll see

941
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Speaker 2: you next time right here on.

942
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Speaker 3: Move the sticks.