1 00:00:08,039 --> 00:00:10,119 Speaker 1: Season to do list for the Mets draftneck Mark been 2 00:00:10,160 --> 00:00:11,680 Speaker 1: in the game for a long time. Check out the 3 00:00:11,720 --> 00:00:14,120 Speaker 1: YouTube channel if you don't already, but then also Mets up. 4 00:00:14,160 --> 00:00:16,640 Speaker 1: Let's talk about the Mets specifically here Mark, good to 5 00:00:16,680 --> 00:00:19,160 Speaker 1: see you, my friend, and lay out the off season 6 00:00:19,200 --> 00:00:21,319 Speaker 1: to do list. What's one, two, and three for the 7 00:00:21,360 --> 00:00:22,239 Speaker 1: Mets in your mind? 8 00:00:22,400 --> 00:00:24,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks for having me on. Guys, excited to talk 9 00:00:24,120 --> 00:00:26,440 Speaker 2: about the Mets. Kind of cheat a little bit. I 10 00:00:26,520 --> 00:00:29,320 Speaker 2: put number one as resigned Pete Alonzo and Edwin Diaz. 11 00:00:29,560 --> 00:00:33,040 Speaker 2: Number two trade for an a starting pitcher. Number three 12 00:00:33,120 --> 00:00:34,880 Speaker 2: we got to find an outfield or whether it's in 13 00:00:34,920 --> 00:00:36,000 Speaker 2: the corner or center field. 14 00:00:37,120 --> 00:00:40,279 Speaker 1: Okay, all right, let's dive into each of these. I'm 15 00:00:40,320 --> 00:00:43,000 Speaker 1: going to start with the heartbreaker question at the top 16 00:00:43,040 --> 00:00:46,680 Speaker 1: because Buck Showalter, former manager of the Mets, recently asked 17 00:00:46,760 --> 00:00:49,239 Speaker 1: us yesterday this question when he was a guest on 18 00:00:49,280 --> 00:00:54,040 Speaker 1: the show. Mark, you can only keep Pete Alonso or 19 00:00:54,160 --> 00:00:57,320 Speaker 1: Edwin Diaz. Forget about the money, right, Let's say Pete 20 00:00:57,320 --> 00:01:00,720 Speaker 1: is getting one twenty and Diaz is getting ninety five whatever, Right, 21 00:01:00,760 --> 00:01:02,800 Speaker 1: the money shouldn't matter a ton when you're thinking about 22 00:01:02,800 --> 00:01:05,360 Speaker 1: this team. You can only pick one, Which one do 23 00:01:05,400 --> 00:01:06,399 Speaker 1: you need for next year? 24 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:09,560 Speaker 2: I think it's pet Alonso as much as Edwin Diaz 25 00:01:09,640 --> 00:01:12,160 Speaker 2: is arguably the best closer in baseball. I think you 26 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:15,360 Speaker 2: can still build a strong bullpen without having the best 27 00:01:15,360 --> 00:01:17,679 Speaker 2: closer in baseball where it's really tough to find the 28 00:01:17,680 --> 00:01:20,800 Speaker 2: offensive production that Pete Alonso has at the first base position. 29 00:01:20,880 --> 00:01:23,840 Speaker 2: I know, defensively he's got his shortcomings, but thirty five 30 00:01:23,880 --> 00:01:26,160 Speaker 2: to forty home runs in a year and ops approaching 31 00:01:26,240 --> 00:01:28,840 Speaker 2: nine hundred, driving in one hundred and ten hundred and 32 00:01:28,840 --> 00:01:31,440 Speaker 2: twenty runs a season, what Pete brings to the plate, 33 00:01:31,880 --> 00:01:34,639 Speaker 2: it's really difficult to find in baseball, and you usually 34 00:01:34,680 --> 00:01:36,679 Speaker 2: have to pay a lot so to be able to 35 00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:39,560 Speaker 2: get that kind of value at the first base position. 36 00:01:39,640 --> 00:01:41,440 Speaker 2: I just I don't know how the Mets would really 37 00:01:41,760 --> 00:01:43,600 Speaker 2: even come close to being able to fill in the 38 00:01:43,600 --> 00:01:44,680 Speaker 2: shoes of Pete at the plate. 39 00:01:46,520 --> 00:01:49,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, to that point, do they have an internal option 40 00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:52,280 Speaker 3: if Pete doesn't come back? And what's kind of the 41 00:01:52,360 --> 00:01:55,040 Speaker 3: knock around Pete Alonzo. All he's ever done has been 42 00:01:55,080 --> 00:01:58,560 Speaker 3: a productive first baseman. He gets forty homers, drives in 43 00:01:58,600 --> 00:02:02,160 Speaker 3: a home one hundred RBIs every year, He's a multiple 44 00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:06,120 Speaker 3: home run derby champion. He loves the city of New York. 45 00:02:06,320 --> 00:02:08,360 Speaker 3: You know, if you were listening earlier, he has no 46 00:02:08,480 --> 00:02:11,160 Speaker 3: kind of there's no negativity when it comes to him 47 00:02:11,160 --> 00:02:13,919 Speaker 3: as a teammate or a person. I personally played with Pete. 48 00:02:13,960 --> 00:02:16,920 Speaker 3: I love Pete, but it feels like, what's the knock 49 00:02:16,960 --> 00:02:18,680 Speaker 3: on this guy? Why are they just not pooning up 50 00:02:18,680 --> 00:02:21,440 Speaker 3: and giving him what he you know, kind of deserves. 51 00:02:21,760 --> 00:02:24,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think for Mets fans they would agree with 52 00:02:24,080 --> 00:02:25,960 Speaker 2: you and say, we got to bring Pete Alonso back, 53 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:27,440 Speaker 2: no matter what it takes. But I think from the 54 00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:29,880 Speaker 2: front office perspective, they see a guy who towards the 55 00:02:29,880 --> 00:02:32,760 Speaker 2: back end of that seven year contract that he's asking for, 56 00:02:33,160 --> 00:02:34,880 Speaker 2: the value might not be there for a guy who's 57 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:37,160 Speaker 2: ultimately going to end up becoming a DH because his 58 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:40,160 Speaker 2: defense the last few seasons really hasn't been very great. 59 00:02:40,160 --> 00:02:42,280 Speaker 2: But there is an easy fix there. The problem for 60 00:02:42,320 --> 00:02:44,160 Speaker 2: Pete is on the balls to his right. If you 61 00:02:44,200 --> 00:02:47,440 Speaker 2: look at OAA, that's where he loses all his defensive value. 62 00:02:47,480 --> 00:02:50,320 Speaker 2: And that's really from Pete being very aggressive at the position, 63 00:02:50,639 --> 00:02:52,320 Speaker 2: having a little bit of trouble throwing the ball over 64 00:02:52,360 --> 00:02:55,240 Speaker 2: to the pitcher sometimes covering the base. But that's the 65 00:02:55,280 --> 00:02:57,880 Speaker 2: one knock I'd have on him. I think Kyle Schwarber 66 00:02:57,919 --> 00:03:01,120 Speaker 2: has shown us recently, as soon as as Lisa's last year, 67 00:03:01,160 --> 00:03:04,000 Speaker 2: that these power hitters will continue to hit for power 68 00:03:04,040 --> 00:03:06,840 Speaker 2: as they get older and older. So from my perspective, 69 00:03:06,919 --> 00:03:09,320 Speaker 2: I think Pete's totally worth it. But I guess from 70 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:13,120 Speaker 2: Pete's value from the front office perspective one, it doesn't 71 00:03:13,120 --> 00:03:16,360 Speaker 2: seem like there's nearly as many suitors as Alonzo and 72 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:19,560 Speaker 2: his camped hoped for. So from David Stearns, he's just like, 73 00:03:19,560 --> 00:03:21,320 Speaker 2: we'll wait and see, kind of like we did last 74 00:03:21,320 --> 00:03:23,400 Speaker 2: offseason and get you at the price point that we 75 00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:23,960 Speaker 2: want you at. 76 00:03:24,760 --> 00:03:26,320 Speaker 3: Should have got should have went out and got Ron 77 00:03:26,520 --> 00:03:28,320 Speaker 3: Washington to work with him, would have got him move 78 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:31,600 Speaker 3: into it right a little bit better starting pitching. Do 79 00:03:31,639 --> 00:03:33,560 Speaker 3: you think that's something they go out and get on 80 00:03:33,600 --> 00:03:36,880 Speaker 3: the free agency market or is that something they are 81 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:38,920 Speaker 3: looking at the trade market to get And as Test 82 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:40,600 Speaker 3: Scoble name that you've been hearing. 83 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:42,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's gonna be on the trade market more. 84 00:03:43,280 --> 00:03:45,680 Speaker 2: I just while Frambervaldez is a really good pitcher, I 85 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:47,320 Speaker 2: just don't think that the Mets are gonna poney up 86 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:49,839 Speaker 2: the money that he's going to command on the free 87 00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:52,480 Speaker 2: agent market right now, when you have guys like Terrek 88 00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:56,000 Speaker 2: Scuble possibly available, Freddie Peralta's name has been float around, 89 00:03:56,200 --> 00:03:59,080 Speaker 2: Joe Ryan, Pablo Lopez, even Sandy in your own division. 90 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:01,200 Speaker 2: There's a lot of op on the trade market, and 91 00:04:01,480 --> 00:04:02,960 Speaker 2: the Bets have built up one of the best farm 92 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:05,400 Speaker 2: systems in baseball over the last few years. I think 93 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:07,320 Speaker 2: this would be a time for them to take some 94 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:09,800 Speaker 2: of those pieces in the farm and push those chips 95 00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:12,480 Speaker 2: in to go out and get a real frontline starter, 96 00:04:12,640 --> 00:04:15,880 Speaker 2: because while this rotation was a huge problem last year, 97 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:18,320 Speaker 2: they couldn't get length out of anybody down the stretch. 98 00:04:18,760 --> 00:04:20,520 Speaker 2: I think that they have a lot of those back 99 00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:22,680 Speaker 2: end arms right now where you don't really want to 100 00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:25,760 Speaker 2: go and spend necessarily on the free agent market. You 101 00:04:25,800 --> 00:04:28,240 Speaker 2: want to go and make a move, get a impact player, 102 00:04:28,279 --> 00:04:30,920 Speaker 2: a game one starter in a postseason series. If they 103 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:33,520 Speaker 2: reached there and those guys are available. 104 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:38,919 Speaker 4: Nemo he gone outfield. They need another outfielder. Man, what 105 00:04:38,920 --> 00:04:41,600 Speaker 4: do you think they're going to do with that situation 106 00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:43,440 Speaker 4: that to have to have anybody in the minor leagues 107 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:44,560 Speaker 4: that could step up right now. 108 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:47,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, really excited, really excited for Carson Benge. And I 109 00:04:47,839 --> 00:04:50,960 Speaker 2: think David Stearns and allest press conferences has also mentioned 110 00:04:50,960 --> 00:04:53,880 Speaker 2: Carson Benge a lot. It seems like if he comes 111 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:56,240 Speaker 2: out and has a strong spring training, he has a 112 00:04:56,320 --> 00:04:58,800 Speaker 2: chance to win that opening day either centerfield or left 113 00:04:58,800 --> 00:05:01,400 Speaker 2: field position based on whoever they get to fill that spot. 114 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:04,159 Speaker 2: But benj is someone who's a top ten maybe at 115 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:06,640 Speaker 2: worst top fifteen prospect in all of minor league baseball. 116 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:09,200 Speaker 2: Flew through the system last year out of Oklahoma State. 117 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:11,840 Speaker 2: Looks really really promising, and it looks like he can 118 00:05:11,880 --> 00:05:14,720 Speaker 2: play centerfield if needed. But I ultimately end up thinking 119 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:16,720 Speaker 2: they go with Cody Bellinger in the corner. He's a 120 00:05:16,760 --> 00:05:18,920 Speaker 2: guy who can give you the flexibility of playing the 121 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:21,559 Speaker 2: outfield positions. He could even play centerfield if you needed 122 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:23,720 Speaker 2: him to in a pinch, but he's great in left field, 123 00:05:23,800 --> 00:05:26,560 Speaker 2: has a great arm, is a good athlete, And on 124 00:05:26,720 --> 00:05:28,719 Speaker 2: days where if Pete A. Lonso's back with this team, 125 00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:31,400 Speaker 2: you could dh Pete some days put Cody Bellinger at 126 00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:35,320 Speaker 2: first base. Think he gives the roster flexibility, the defensive value, 127 00:05:35,320 --> 00:05:37,360 Speaker 2: and also still is a really good bat hit thirty 128 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:40,159 Speaker 2: home runs last year with the Yankees. That's a player 129 00:05:40,200 --> 00:05:43,040 Speaker 2: that feels perfect and someone that David Stearns would be 130 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:44,880 Speaker 2: really honing in on this offseason. 131 00:05:45,640 --> 00:05:50,000 Speaker 4: So give me your start now field, right now, if 132 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:51,960 Speaker 4: today was Day one, give me give me your outfield 133 00:05:52,040 --> 00:05:52,400 Speaker 4: right now. 134 00:05:52,880 --> 00:05:55,280 Speaker 2: I think it's gonna be Cody Bellinger in left. I 135 00:05:55,320 --> 00:05:57,360 Speaker 2: think you're gonna have a platoon of Carson Benge and 136 00:05:57,400 --> 00:06:00,200 Speaker 2: Tyrone Taylor in center and Juan Soto in right. And 137 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:03,280 Speaker 2: I mentioned Tyrone Taylor just because I think against Lefti's 138 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:05,360 Speaker 2: especially early on in the year, They're going to want 139 00:06:05,360 --> 00:06:07,880 Speaker 2: to give benj a little bit more of an easier 140 00:06:08,160 --> 00:06:10,440 Speaker 2: transition into the majors and not have to have him 141 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:12,239 Speaker 2: face some of the tough lefties or in the National 142 00:06:12,279 --> 00:06:12,960 Speaker 2: League early on. 143 00:06:13,839 --> 00:06:16,360 Speaker 4: So my boy, Jeff McNeill, I haven't heard a word 144 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:18,880 Speaker 4: about him. What's going Is he out after all this 145 00:06:19,120 --> 00:06:21,640 Speaker 4: craziness with Lindor again, Like, talk to me about my 146 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:22,320 Speaker 4: buddy Jeff. 147 00:06:22,920 --> 00:06:26,280 Speaker 5: Yeah, I just don't think he can mash. I don't know. 148 00:06:26,760 --> 00:06:27,240 Speaker 5: I listen. 149 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:29,080 Speaker 2: I like Jeff as a player. I've been banging the 150 00:06:29,120 --> 00:06:31,520 Speaker 2: Jeff McNeil drum a little bit harder than some Mets fans, 151 00:06:31,560 --> 00:06:34,080 Speaker 2: but does feel like with the acquisition of Simeon, with 152 00:06:34,120 --> 00:06:36,200 Speaker 2: all the stuff that we heard with him and Lindor, 153 00:06:36,279 --> 00:06:38,520 Speaker 2: and the fact that the Mets team does seem to 154 00:06:38,560 --> 00:06:40,680 Speaker 2: want to get a little more athletic, which is unfair 155 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:43,360 Speaker 2: because mcnil's played great second base and outfield as well 156 00:06:43,400 --> 00:06:45,839 Speaker 2: for this team whenever they call upon it. It just 157 00:06:45,880 --> 00:06:49,279 Speaker 2: seems like this organization might be moving on from him, 158 00:06:49,480 --> 00:06:51,520 Speaker 2: especially when you move on from Nemo. It seems like 159 00:06:51,880 --> 00:06:54,200 Speaker 2: there might be a changing of some of the guys 160 00:06:54,240 --> 00:06:55,720 Speaker 2: that have been here for a minute, and I think 161 00:06:55,800 --> 00:06:57,240 Speaker 2: McNeil unfortunately for. 162 00:06:57,200 --> 00:06:58,359 Speaker 5: Me, I'm a fan of Jeff. 163 00:06:58,400 --> 00:07:00,560 Speaker 2: We've been very friendly in the past, but I think 164 00:07:00,839 --> 00:07:03,159 Speaker 2: he's going to be going to a new organization this offseason. 165 00:07:04,360 --> 00:07:09,720 Speaker 3: Speaking of platoons third base Mark Fianto's Brett Baty, I 166 00:07:09,760 --> 00:07:11,840 Speaker 3: don't see a scenario where you can have him both. 167 00:07:11,880 --> 00:07:14,080 Speaker 3: I think you got to allow one to play one 168 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:16,640 Speaker 3: hundred and forty one hundred fifty games a year. Who 169 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:19,200 Speaker 3: you take in, who's got more trade value or do 170 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:21,320 Speaker 3: you see him kind of platooning both of these guys. 171 00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:23,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think in a perfect world they would love 172 00:07:23,800 --> 00:07:25,800 Speaker 2: for Mork Fiento's to play third base, but I think 173 00:07:25,880 --> 00:07:28,239 Speaker 2: last season he showed that the position is a little 174 00:07:28,560 --> 00:07:30,840 Speaker 2: little tough for him defensively. His home might end up 175 00:07:30,840 --> 00:07:32,960 Speaker 2: being first base if he's going to play the field, 176 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:35,000 Speaker 2: but Brett Baty kind of won the position as well. 177 00:07:35,040 --> 00:07:37,560 Speaker 2: He played good enough defense at third base, which was 178 00:07:37,600 --> 00:07:41,320 Speaker 2: about league average, better at times than league average defensively, 179 00:07:41,360 --> 00:07:43,520 Speaker 2: and then at the plate the second half of the season, 180 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:45,560 Speaker 2: Brett Baty was awesome like he was hitting for power, 181 00:07:45,800 --> 00:07:47,880 Speaker 2: finished with close to twenty home runs on the season, 182 00:07:48,160 --> 00:07:51,360 Speaker 2: ops creeped its way back up to being above league average, 183 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:53,680 Speaker 2: and the fact that he's free with that kind of value, 184 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:56,200 Speaker 2: I do really think it's his position right now going 185 00:07:56,200 --> 00:07:59,440 Speaker 2: into opening Day, along with the fact that Vientos he 186 00:07:59,480 --> 00:08:01,440 Speaker 2: does still kind of have a role on this team, 187 00:08:01,480 --> 00:08:04,200 Speaker 2: even with Pete Alonso on it, and that's being a 188 00:08:04,280 --> 00:08:07,040 Speaker 2: lefty masher off the bench, being a guy who in 189 00:08:07,080 --> 00:08:08,920 Speaker 2: a pinch, could play third base, he could be a 190 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:11,840 Speaker 2: Dach option, he could play first. We remember that twenty 191 00:08:11,920 --> 00:08:14,680 Speaker 2: twenty four season, Viento's was phenomenal. They don't go on 192 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:17,360 Speaker 2: that run without him, and while twenty twenty five was 193 00:08:17,640 --> 00:08:20,000 Speaker 2: a bit of a struggle for him. I still think 194 00:08:20,040 --> 00:08:22,120 Speaker 2: that the Mets have some hope that he can find 195 00:08:22,120 --> 00:08:24,240 Speaker 2: that bad again and be a guy who can provide 196 00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:26,840 Speaker 2: some serious power when needed in that lineup. 197 00:08:27,960 --> 00:08:30,880 Speaker 1: Okay, I'm going to take this to a conversation that 198 00:08:30,920 --> 00:08:34,960 Speaker 1: actually we just covered makeup, clubhouse chemistry, all that kind 199 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:37,359 Speaker 1: of stuff. A lot of times it can get pretty overblown. 200 00:08:37,400 --> 00:08:39,680 Speaker 1: I thought you guys did a great job covering the 201 00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:41,599 Speaker 1: New York Post article the other day. I listened to 202 00:08:41,600 --> 00:08:43,440 Speaker 1: that when I texted you guys about it, we talked 203 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:45,240 Speaker 1: about it. I wanted to get insight from you guys, 204 00:08:45,280 --> 00:08:47,280 Speaker 1: dialed in on the team on an everyday basis, Like 205 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:51,320 Speaker 1: lind Orn, So, I don't care if one loves one color, 206 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:54,440 Speaker 1: one loves the other, one loves food, one loves shopping. 207 00:08:54,679 --> 00:08:56,760 Speaker 1: I don't give a crap. Right, they both put up 208 00:08:56,760 --> 00:08:58,800 Speaker 1: great numbers. That's not the reason why the Mets didn't 209 00:08:58,800 --> 00:09:01,480 Speaker 1: make the playoffs this year. And buckshow Artler I'll allude 210 00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:03,319 Speaker 1: to again, was on yesterday we asked him about it. 211 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:05,120 Speaker 1: He's like, they didn't make the playoffs because they didn't 212 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:07,880 Speaker 1: have enough pitching, especially enough you know, starting pitching on 213 00:09:07,960 --> 00:09:10,080 Speaker 1: the stretch to relying on all these young guys, et cetera. 214 00:09:10,440 --> 00:09:12,120 Speaker 1: The one thing he did bring up that I thought 215 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:15,679 Speaker 1: was interesting is the Nemo Semion trade and he goes, 216 00:09:15,760 --> 00:09:18,400 Speaker 1: isn't Semeon the captain of the Rangers? Why did he 217 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:21,480 Speaker 1: get traded? So curious to get your thoughts on that one. 218 00:09:21,559 --> 00:09:24,480 Speaker 1: Many people responded to the clip, which got quite a 219 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:27,160 Speaker 1: few hits, and said, oh, well, the dudes in his 220 00:09:27,240 --> 00:09:30,440 Speaker 1: mid thirties, his offense has declined. That's also part of 221 00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:33,320 Speaker 1: the mix. Do you think that the I don't want 222 00:09:33,360 --> 00:09:34,679 Speaker 1: to say the Mets won the trade, but do you 223 00:09:34,720 --> 00:09:37,240 Speaker 1: think this is going to work out well for the Mets? 224 00:09:37,360 --> 00:09:40,920 Speaker 1: And what is your take on the chemistry component for 225 00:09:40,960 --> 00:09:42,880 Speaker 1: the ballpark or for the ball club as well? And 226 00:09:42,880 --> 00:09:45,120 Speaker 1: then after you answer, we can get kp who played 227 00:09:45,160 --> 00:09:45,880 Speaker 1: with Marcus. 228 00:09:46,240 --> 00:09:46,480 Speaker 5: Yeah. 229 00:09:46,520 --> 00:09:48,360 Speaker 2: I mean we've heard about the chemistry stuff for a 230 00:09:48,400 --> 00:09:51,800 Speaker 2: minute now and it's weird. I think it's uncomfortable from 231 00:09:51,840 --> 00:09:54,200 Speaker 2: the outside perspective. But you guys had Sheffield on as 232 00:09:54,200 --> 00:09:56,480 Speaker 2: well on the show, and he talked about these guys 233 00:09:56,520 --> 00:09:58,079 Speaker 2: don't have to be best friends. I think at the 234 00:09:58,160 --> 00:09:59,920 Speaker 2: end of the day, like the company line for Mets up, 235 00:10:00,360 --> 00:10:01,960 Speaker 2: they don't have to like each other. They just have 236 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:03,440 Speaker 2: to respect each other and they have to try and 237 00:10:03,440 --> 00:10:07,160 Speaker 2: win baseball games. And from the outside perspective, it seems 238 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:09,320 Speaker 2: like that's all those guys care about. Wan Sota wants 239 00:10:09,360 --> 00:10:12,000 Speaker 2: to win, Francisco Lindoor wants to win. The two of 240 00:10:12,040 --> 00:10:14,840 Speaker 2: the best players in baseball. They played well last year. 241 00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:17,280 Speaker 2: I wouldn't chalk the chemistry up because I think we 242 00:10:17,320 --> 00:10:20,360 Speaker 2: would have seen them both struggle more if there really 243 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:23,199 Speaker 2: was a huge problem. And then with Marcus Simon being 244 00:10:23,200 --> 00:10:26,520 Speaker 2: traded over for Brandon Neimo, while Simeon being traded you know, 245 00:10:26,559 --> 00:10:28,440 Speaker 2: the captain of the Rangers is a big deal for 246 00:10:28,520 --> 00:10:30,360 Speaker 2: what that can mean for the Rangers. You also got 247 00:10:30,440 --> 00:10:32,400 Speaker 2: to remember Neimo is such a big part of this clubhouse. 248 00:10:32,400 --> 00:10:34,840 Speaker 2: So I really do think it might just be one 249 00:10:35,200 --> 00:10:38,120 Speaker 2: the contracts made sense and both teams can see a 250 00:10:38,160 --> 00:10:40,439 Speaker 2: good fit either way. The Mets could use some help 251 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:43,320 Speaker 2: at second base, especially defensively, and the Rangers needed some 252 00:10:43,360 --> 00:10:46,000 Speaker 2: outfield help after getting rid of a Duolas Garcia. But 253 00:10:46,400 --> 00:10:50,320 Speaker 2: Simeon bringing that steady veteran presence, being a very well 254 00:10:50,360 --> 00:10:52,400 Speaker 2: respected player in the league. I don't think that this 255 00:10:52,440 --> 00:10:54,360 Speaker 2: is ever a bad thing for the clubhouse. We kind 256 00:10:54,360 --> 00:10:56,800 Speaker 2: of saw it with JD. Martinez in twenty twenty four. 257 00:10:57,400 --> 00:10:59,440 Speaker 2: Maybe this is kind of the move of that similar 258 00:10:59,480 --> 00:11:02,600 Speaker 2: ilk of bringing in a respected veteran leader, and it's 259 00:11:02,600 --> 00:11:04,360 Speaker 2: one of the few guys on this roster that has 260 00:11:04,520 --> 00:11:06,840 Speaker 2: won has won a championship, And I do think there's 261 00:11:06,920 --> 00:11:07,440 Speaker 2: value to that. 262 00:11:08,520 --> 00:11:10,959 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I think the championship pedigree is a 263 00:11:10,960 --> 00:11:14,000 Speaker 3: big part of why they brought him in too. But 264 00:11:14,679 --> 00:11:16,679 Speaker 3: you know, to everyone's point, you know, you're going to 265 00:11:16,720 --> 00:11:19,040 Speaker 3: be in a clubhouse with you know, guys that aren't 266 00:11:19,080 --> 00:11:20,720 Speaker 3: They're all not all going to be your best friend, 267 00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:23,080 Speaker 3: and you don't necessarily have to all get along. But 268 00:11:23,200 --> 00:11:25,400 Speaker 3: the biggest thing is you've got to have, you know, 269 00:11:25,440 --> 00:11:28,720 Speaker 3: common goals and what Marcus Simeon does bring and to 270 00:11:28,760 --> 00:11:31,760 Speaker 3: the point with why he probably you know, although he 271 00:11:31,880 --> 00:11:34,560 Speaker 3: was the captain he left the Rangers, Marcus loves to work. 272 00:11:34,679 --> 00:11:36,640 Speaker 3: Marcus wants to be on the field every single day. 273 00:11:36,840 --> 00:11:39,280 Speaker 3: He wants to take batting practice, he wants to turn 274 00:11:39,320 --> 00:11:41,840 Speaker 3: double plays with his shortstop. He wants to get out 275 00:11:41,880 --> 00:11:44,280 Speaker 3: there and be on the field every day. So I 276 00:11:44,320 --> 00:11:47,360 Speaker 3: know thendors like that as well. I didn't have experience 277 00:11:47,400 --> 00:11:49,920 Speaker 3: with Juan Soto. But you know, there's certain guys in 278 00:11:49,960 --> 00:11:52,520 Speaker 3: this game that just are good enough they could just 279 00:11:52,520 --> 00:11:54,880 Speaker 3: show up at six and play. Marcus is one of 280 00:11:54,880 --> 00:11:57,400 Speaker 3: those guys. And you know, to your point, you have 281 00:11:57,480 --> 00:11:59,839 Speaker 3: these Brett Badis and Mark vent Is in there. Bringing 282 00:11:59,840 --> 00:12:03,280 Speaker 3: in a guy like Marcus Simon who wasn't a great 283 00:12:03,320 --> 00:12:05,800 Speaker 3: player at the beginning of his career, who turned himself 284 00:12:05,800 --> 00:12:09,160 Speaker 3: into a superstar, a top three finisher in the MVP, 285 00:12:09,400 --> 00:12:11,680 Speaker 3: A guy who's making one hundred and eighty million dollars 286 00:12:11,679 --> 00:12:14,800 Speaker 3: to play second place. This all came through hard work. 287 00:12:14,920 --> 00:12:17,800 Speaker 3: So I don't think it's ever a problem, even if 288 00:12:17,840 --> 00:12:19,840 Speaker 3: he is on his decline, to bring in a guy 289 00:12:19,880 --> 00:12:22,240 Speaker 3: like this who just can set an example for these 290 00:12:22,240 --> 00:12:24,280 Speaker 3: guys of what hard work can do for you in 291 00:12:24,320 --> 00:12:26,560 Speaker 3: your career. So I love the Mets bringing him in. 292 00:12:26,960 --> 00:12:28,839 Speaker 3: You know, it's not you know, and Brandon Nemo, you 293 00:12:28,880 --> 00:12:30,679 Speaker 3: know he was I played with him. He's a guy 294 00:12:30,679 --> 00:12:33,560 Speaker 3: who loves to work too. You know, not to put 295 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:35,880 Speaker 3: a knock against Brandon Nemo, but I don't think it's 296 00:12:35,920 --> 00:12:38,320 Speaker 3: a bad thing bringing in that World Series champion guy 297 00:12:38,360 --> 00:12:40,640 Speaker 3: who's finished top three in the MVP, who's also turned 298 00:12:40,679 --> 00:12:42,520 Speaker 3: himself into that type of player. 299 00:12:42,720 --> 00:12:44,280 Speaker 2: I also think too, at the end of the day, 300 00:12:44,440 --> 00:12:46,560 Speaker 2: a lot of people like we remember twenty twenty five 301 00:12:46,679 --> 00:12:49,199 Speaker 2: was a disaster season, and relatively speaking, for this core 302 00:12:49,320 --> 00:12:52,040 Speaker 2: that's been here, they kind of haven't accomplished anything. So 303 00:12:52,520 --> 00:12:55,320 Speaker 2: while Mets fans feel this, you know, real connection with 304 00:12:55,360 --> 00:12:57,640 Speaker 2: brand Nemo because he's been in the organization for almost 305 00:12:57,720 --> 00:13:00,200 Speaker 2: a decade, sometimes things have to change, and I think 306 00:13:00,200 --> 00:13:03,079 Speaker 2: from the front office perspective, if it didn't work last year, 307 00:13:03,080 --> 00:13:05,120 Speaker 2: we got to try something else. Otherwise it's crazy to 308 00:13:05,160 --> 00:13:06,640 Speaker 2: think that another outcome is possible. 309 00:13:07,760 --> 00:13:09,679 Speaker 4: I want to talk one more about Brandon Neimo here 310 00:13:09,720 --> 00:13:13,600 Speaker 4: real quick. He recently came on a show and basically 311 00:13:13,640 --> 00:13:16,440 Speaker 4: talked about his legacy with the Mets and everything, and 312 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:19,120 Speaker 4: he talked about his number being in the Raptors. Now, 313 00:13:19,160 --> 00:13:21,319 Speaker 4: I want to ask you, as a longtime Mets guy 314 00:13:21,320 --> 00:13:23,800 Speaker 4: and understand, but if he did end his career with 315 00:13:23,880 --> 00:13:26,839 Speaker 4: the Mets, could you've seen his number being put up there? 316 00:13:27,120 --> 00:13:29,040 Speaker 4: You know, with the longevity with the Mets and the 317 00:13:29,120 --> 00:13:30,439 Speaker 4: numbers that he had. 318 00:13:30,679 --> 00:13:33,199 Speaker 2: Oh one, I think if he ended his career there, 319 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:35,480 Speaker 2: he would have been up there with Darryl and Keith 320 00:13:35,480 --> 00:13:37,640 Speaker 2: and Mike Piazza and all those guys. Tom sever he 321 00:13:37,679 --> 00:13:39,199 Speaker 2: would have been one of the all time great Mets 322 00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:41,880 Speaker 2: and even to this point, the numbers in the organization 323 00:13:41,960 --> 00:13:44,320 Speaker 2: that he put up, he's like top ten and basically 324 00:13:44,360 --> 00:13:47,880 Speaker 2: every offensive stat I think Brandonimo, from my perspective, one 325 00:13:47,920 --> 00:13:49,640 Speaker 2: of my favorite Mets to ever play on the team. 326 00:13:49,760 --> 00:13:52,000 Speaker 2: I think it's really cool to see a player grow 327 00:13:52,120 --> 00:13:54,880 Speaker 2: up with the organization become an adult at a similar 328 00:13:54,880 --> 00:13:57,040 Speaker 2: time where I was becoming an adult as well. So 329 00:13:57,400 --> 00:13:59,920 Speaker 2: it's really uh, it hurt to see him go because 330 00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:02,240 Speaker 2: in the few experiences I had with him, he truly 331 00:14:02,320 --> 00:14:04,480 Speaker 2: was one of the great guys that I've ever got 332 00:14:04,480 --> 00:14:07,199 Speaker 2: to meet in baseball. So from that perspective, it hurts. 333 00:14:07,240 --> 00:14:09,840 Speaker 2: But the end of the day, baseball is a business, 334 00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:12,040 Speaker 2: and for the Mets, I guess they felt that trading 335 00:14:12,040 --> 00:14:14,600 Speaker 2: brand Nemo for Marcusime and help them achieve their goal 336 00:14:14,600 --> 00:14:15,960 Speaker 2: at the end of the year of hopefully winning a 337 00:14:15,960 --> 00:14:16,600 Speaker 2: World Series. 338 00:14:17,920 --> 00:14:22,080 Speaker 3: On this topic, did Jacob deGrom number get retired? I 339 00:14:22,200 --> 00:14:22,800 Speaker 3: mean a statue. 340 00:14:23,640 --> 00:14:25,320 Speaker 2: I think that I'm one of the few Mets fans 341 00:14:25,320 --> 00:14:28,480 Speaker 2: that did not care how Jacob deGrom left. I keep 342 00:14:28,560 --> 00:14:30,280 Speaker 2: him in the highest regard he's one of the best 343 00:14:30,280 --> 00:14:32,280 Speaker 2: players that I've ever seen step on a baseball field, 344 00:14:32,760 --> 00:14:35,160 Speaker 2: especially in terms of pitching. I would retire his number 345 00:14:35,200 --> 00:14:38,400 Speaker 2: in a heartbeat, and I think the Mets organization will too. 346 00:14:38,480 --> 00:14:40,360 Speaker 2: Even though there wasn't a lot of winning that went 347 00:14:40,400 --> 00:14:42,720 Speaker 2: on for a guy to win multiple Cy Young's like 348 00:14:42,760 --> 00:14:45,040 Speaker 2: he did and could be considered and be on a 349 00:14:45,080 --> 00:14:47,240 Speaker 2: Hall of Fame path, I think it would be crazy 350 00:14:47,280 --> 00:14:47,520 Speaker 2: not to. 351 00:14:48,520 --> 00:14:51,440 Speaker 4: It's it's funny, like retiring numbers like it just seems 352 00:14:51,480 --> 00:14:53,960 Speaker 4: like it just comes off the tip of everybody's Yeah, 353 00:14:54,080 --> 00:14:54,600 Speaker 4: just retire. 354 00:14:54,640 --> 00:14:56,640 Speaker 5: I mean, I don't know, it's like the Hall of Fame. 355 00:14:56,680 --> 00:14:57,720 Speaker 5: To me, you gotta be stinder. 356 00:14:57,760 --> 00:14:59,520 Speaker 4: You gotta be one of the best, the best to 357 00:14:59,520 --> 00:15:01,360 Speaker 4: ever play, or one of the best and best to 358 00:15:01,400 --> 00:15:03,080 Speaker 4: ever play in that organization. 359 00:15:03,640 --> 00:15:06,320 Speaker 5: Maybe my standards are a little higher on certain things. 360 00:15:06,080 --> 00:15:09,120 Speaker 4: But back in the day, those guys played fifteen twenty 361 00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:11,600 Speaker 4: twenty five years, so it made it that much easier 362 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:13,280 Speaker 4: for them to get picked. 363 00:15:13,280 --> 00:15:14,560 Speaker 5: But yes, I think. 364 00:15:14,440 --> 00:15:17,120 Speaker 4: It's a it's a it's a great question, But I 365 00:15:17,160 --> 00:15:19,720 Speaker 4: don't know if I'm always convinced on some of these things. 366 00:15:19,920 --> 00:15:22,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think also, like just as such a diehard 367 00:15:22,560 --> 00:15:24,200 Speaker 2: Mets fan. A lot of those guys are some of 368 00:15:24,280 --> 00:15:26,560 Speaker 2: my best memories. I don't. I don't have a lot 369 00:15:26,600 --> 00:15:28,760 Speaker 2: of great memories as a Mets fan, Like twenty fifteen 370 00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:32,320 Speaker 2: really sticks out, twenty twenty two, twenty twenty four, like otherwise, 371 00:15:32,360 --> 00:15:34,040 Speaker 2: you look back and it's not a lot of happy 372 00:15:34,080 --> 00:15:35,120 Speaker 2: times for me as a fan. 373 00:15:35,920 --> 00:15:41,040 Speaker 3: Todd, do you disagree with the deGrom. 374 00:15:39,280 --> 00:15:41,040 Speaker 5: I'm on the fence, man, if you want the truth, 375 00:15:41,080 --> 00:15:41,720 Speaker 5: I'm on the fence. 376 00:15:43,320 --> 00:15:45,720 Speaker 4: And I played with him, and I played with him 377 00:15:45,720 --> 00:15:47,320 Speaker 4: he got the cy young I was right there at 378 00:15:47,320 --> 00:15:50,560 Speaker 4: third base. I thought it was unbelievable. I just need 379 00:15:50,720 --> 00:15:53,240 Speaker 4: more longevity with the team in my in my opinion, 380 00:15:53,360 --> 00:15:56,640 Speaker 4: so I would say no right now. But it's it's 381 00:15:56,720 --> 00:15:59,640 Speaker 4: up it's up for debate, man, It's it's definitely up 382 00:15:59,680 --> 00:16:02,360 Speaker 4: for for debate. And I've been asked questions about some 383 00:16:02,360 --> 00:16:04,360 Speaker 4: of my closest friends, the guys that play with about 384 00:16:04,400 --> 00:16:04,800 Speaker 4: Hall of Fame. 385 00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:05,640 Speaker 5: I've said no too. 386 00:16:05,680 --> 00:16:08,560 Speaker 4: It's like these it's like the best of the best 387 00:16:08,760 --> 00:16:11,440 Speaker 4: of the best. So for me, maybe I'm just a 388 00:16:11,480 --> 00:16:13,000 Speaker 4: little picky when it comes to these. 389 00:16:12,800 --> 00:16:13,920 Speaker 5: Things, like I said before. 390 00:16:14,040 --> 00:16:17,880 Speaker 4: But moving on, my last question for you, would be 391 00:16:18,600 --> 00:16:21,120 Speaker 4: all right, say the Mets make some moves, they get 392 00:16:21,120 --> 00:16:21,800 Speaker 4: the guys. 393 00:16:21,560 --> 00:16:24,200 Speaker 5: They want, this team gonna make the playoffs? Is this 394 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:25,560 Speaker 5: team ready to go? Like? 395 00:16:25,720 --> 00:16:27,840 Speaker 4: Is it? It's kind of like go time here man, 396 00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:31,240 Speaker 4: Stevie Cohen, What do you know he's talking all this stuff, 397 00:16:31,240 --> 00:16:33,040 Speaker 4: like when are they gonna finally pick it up and 398 00:16:33,480 --> 00:16:34,520 Speaker 4: get their butts back to. 399 00:16:34,440 --> 00:16:35,120 Speaker 5: Where they need to be. 400 00:16:35,560 --> 00:16:37,280 Speaker 2: I mean, I think you're asking the same question all 401 00:16:37,280 --> 00:16:39,200 Speaker 2: Mets fans has. It's like, how is this not come 402 00:16:39,280 --> 00:16:42,720 Speaker 2: together quicker better? Especially after twenty twenty four you thought, like, 403 00:16:42,720 --> 00:16:44,520 Speaker 2: all right, we have a real chance and last year 404 00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:46,760 Speaker 2: was so terrible. But I think they have no other 405 00:16:46,880 --> 00:16:50,000 Speaker 2: choice if they don't make the postseason. David Seerns is 406 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:52,320 Speaker 2: on the hot seat. I think Mets fans start getting 407 00:16:52,400 --> 00:16:55,080 Speaker 2: upset with Steve Cohen. I think Mets fans start turning 408 00:16:55,120 --> 00:16:58,000 Speaker 2: on players more than they already do, Like there's really 409 00:16:58,040 --> 00:17:01,400 Speaker 2: no other option besides make the because if they miss again, 410 00:17:01,800 --> 00:17:05,280 Speaker 2: it's it's a catastrophic failure. Like failure you can have, 411 00:17:05,400 --> 00:17:07,480 Speaker 2: you can have the one offseason where things don't go right, 412 00:17:07,520 --> 00:17:09,800 Speaker 2: but two in a row with this payroll, with the 413 00:17:09,800 --> 00:17:11,920 Speaker 2: players on this team, with the money being spent. It's 414 00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:12,959 Speaker 2: really not acceptable. 415 00:17:15,240 --> 00:17:17,239 Speaker 1: You know, have you guys ever done an episode by 416 00:17:17,280 --> 00:17:20,560 Speaker 1: the way Mark just on the Jersey retirement stuff. 417 00:17:21,359 --> 00:17:22,120 Speaker 5: It's pretty good. 418 00:17:22,600 --> 00:17:24,640 Speaker 2: I think we've talked about it before because we've done 419 00:17:24,640 --> 00:17:26,600 Speaker 2: a lot of Q and A stuff on the podcast 420 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:29,000 Speaker 2: where you know, mail bag episodes and people ask us 421 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:31,680 Speaker 2: who's the next player being retired. There's just such a 422 00:17:31,720 --> 00:17:34,760 Speaker 2: weird group of Mets that like are right on that borderline, 423 00:17:34,800 --> 00:17:37,240 Speaker 2: like Todd said, of were they here long enough to 424 00:17:37,320 --> 00:17:40,480 Speaker 2: actually get their number retired? Especially in an organization where 425 00:17:40,840 --> 00:17:43,919 Speaker 2: there's not a lot of winning, so you usually retire 426 00:17:43,960 --> 00:17:46,360 Speaker 2: the number of the guys who were here when we won, 427 00:17:46,440 --> 00:17:49,280 Speaker 2: and sadly they haven't won in almost forty years. 428 00:17:50,040 --> 00:17:52,680 Speaker 1: That's why it's interesting. And yeah, for all the talk 429 00:17:52,720 --> 00:17:56,280 Speaker 1: about you know, oh, big money teams, it's unfair. Okay, 430 00:17:56,720 --> 00:17:59,879 Speaker 1: studied the Mets for a while and look at that. Yeah, 431 00:18:00,359 --> 00:18:01,919 Speaker 1: and ain't perfect to the Ay'm pretty. 432 00:18:01,640 --> 00:18:04,520 Speaker 5: A lot of the time part of it. Yeah, yeah, either. 433 00:18:04,440 --> 00:18:07,919 Speaker 1: Knows KPU knows Mark good stuff. 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