Speaker 1: Hello, everybody. Welcome into the Fantasy Pros Football Podcast. I'm
Speaker 1: Ryan Warmley, joined on this Thursday morning by Andrew Erickson
Speaker 1: and Pat Fitzmorris fell As. We are here into the
Speaker 1: semi finals of the Fantasy Playoffs. Ericson how you doing, Buddy?
Speaker 2: I got three teams left, Christmas is coming up? Best
Speaker 2: come here?
Speaker 3: Okay? What more could you ask for?
Speaker 1: Christmas coming up? If anybody can tell watching on YouTube,
Speaker 1: I'm traveling. That's why I have kind of a different
Speaker 1: setup than usual. Thank you to my friends here in
Speaker 1: North Carolina who are hosting me and letting me do
Speaker 1: this show here.
Speaker 3: From there, you're staying with Bill Belichick.
Speaker 1: We actually are very near Chapel Bill, And you know,
Speaker 1: I wonder if if he's gonna walk by.
Speaker 2: Dude, if you if you see him, you should say
Speaker 2: something to him, Unlike what I did when I saw
Speaker 2: him in the elevator last year.
Speaker 3: Panicked. I I don't.
Speaker 2: I can't imagine what's gonna be like for those college
Speaker 2: students having conversations with him.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was afraid to talk to him.
Speaker 1: So and you are not a potential professional football player.
Speaker 1: You've seen as we've seen from your route running Uh, Fits,
Speaker 1: what about you? How are you doing? What would you
Speaker 1: say to Bill Belichick if you walked by him?
Speaker 4: Oh, man, I would say, it's unfortunate you're not going
Speaker 4: to get to coach O Mariy and Hampton one of
Speaker 4: the running backs I'm excited about in next year's class.
Speaker 4: I think he's going to be my RB two in
Speaker 4: Dynasty Rookie drafts. But you know, we're putting the cart
Speaker 4: before the horse. We got semi finals week and I'm
Speaker 4: talking about twenty twenty five Dynasty Rookie drafts.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, Fits is already promoting our Dynasty
Speaker 1: show him the and Bogman coming back in January. We've
Speaker 1: been doing the stages throughout the season, but we'll be
Speaker 1: back with our regular show.
Speaker 3: In just a couple of weeks.
Speaker 1: I mean, as soon as the season ends, like you said,
Speaker 1: we kind of jump into it. But to your point,
Speaker 1: the regular season is not over yet. We still have
Speaker 1: titles to win. We will jump into our Thursday show.
Speaker 1: Quick reminder for everybody, I've been reminding you all season,
Speaker 1: but just in case you hadn't heard it before, all
Speaker 1: of our weekly consensus rankings and tiers can be found
Speaker 1: at fantasypros dot Com slash rankings. Hopefully those are more
Speaker 1: important than ever because you are still alive in plenty
Speaker 1: of your fantasy playoff leagues. We will start where we
Speaker 1: always do guys with our waiver wire ads of the
Speaker 1: week and asking whether not we're going to start or
Speaker 1: sit these guys in Week sixteen. Couple of names here,
Speaker 1: a few wide receivers and a running back. Will start
Speaker 1: with wide receivers. Jalen McMillan, I have on this list
Speaker 1: fits where'd you kind of rank him in your waiver
Speaker 1: wire ads for the week and is he somebody you're
Speaker 1: considering starting in Week sixteen?
Speaker 4: So I think we had him as the top wide
Speaker 4: receiver waiver ad, but that wasn't saying a lot because
Speaker 4: it wasn't a terrific class. I've got him wide receiver
Speaker 4: forty one this week, so I think he's playable in
Speaker 4: deeper leagues where you have to start three wide receivers.
Speaker 4: Matchup with the Cowboys isn't all that bad. I just
Speaker 4: I don't think he's a super safe play, even though
Speaker 4: he's got one hundred and thirty four yards and three
Speaker 4: touchdowns over the last two weeks. Wide receiver ten in
Speaker 4: half point PPR scoring over that stretch. I mean, he's
Speaker 4: been more involved in the offense lately, but how confident
Speaker 4: are we that he is going to get more than
Speaker 4: five targets in any given week, especially when the Bucks
Speaker 4: are motivated to play catch up with Mike Evans and
Speaker 4: get him to one thousand yards? So yeah, I just
Speaker 4: don't know if we're going to see like a high
Speaker 4: target count for McMillan when he's sharing with Evans Sterling
Speaker 4: Shepherd in those running backs.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Fits, I was actually gonna bring up the Mike
Speaker 1: Evans angle, so I'm glad you did. I'm curious how
Speaker 1: much you think, because like, if this team was not
Speaker 1: at all competing for a playoff spot, then my approach
Speaker 1: to betting on Mike Evans, my approach to ranking Mike Evans,
Speaker 1: my approach to everything with him would be like you
Speaker 1: can't go high enough, Like they're all they would care
Speaker 1: about is getting him that thousand yard streak extended. They
Speaker 1: are first in the division, so theoretically, like obviously that's
Speaker 1: going to be secondary to trying to win the game.
Speaker 1: Do you think that will play into their game plan
Speaker 1: and how much volume he actually gets you know in
Speaker 1: these next few weeks.
Speaker 4: I don't think I think those lines are blurred just
Speaker 4: because getting Mike Evans the ball is good policy regardless,
Speaker 4: and especially in this offense with no more Chris Godwin
Speaker 4: and Kate Otten has sort of fallen off the map
Speaker 4: a little bit. So yeah, I mean, I just I
Speaker 4: think he's pretty much dialed in for like twelve plus
Speaker 4: targets every week.
Speaker 1: Now, what do you think about Jalen McMillan Rickson.
Speaker 2: I think that he's a pretty good wide receiver three
Speaker 2: flex play. I have him wide receiver thirty eight in
Speaker 2: my rankings, and I'm looking at game environment right, looking
Speaker 2: at Tap Bay versus Dallas playing inside a dome, Baker
Speaker 2: Mayfield's top five quarterback in ECR. I want pieces attached
Speaker 2: to this Buccaneers offense. Again, if you're looking for, hey,
Speaker 2: which one of my fringy wide receiver three flex plays
Speaker 2: can pop this week? Well, Jay McMillan has shown eight
Speaker 2: pretty high ceiling over the last couple weeks.
Speaker 3: He has touchdown equity.
Speaker 2: So even if okay, Mike Evans is seeing the majority
Speaker 2: of targets, well, McMillan is winning with efficiency and that's
Speaker 2: not a bad thing to bet on. Again, we knew
Speaker 2: that these Washington Husky receivers coming in, we knew one
Speaker 2: of them was going to be underrated. Clearly, it's not
Speaker 2: Jalen bolk Ro mcdouon say. We think is good, but
Speaker 2: he's never gonna get enough volume. McMillan has now popped,
Speaker 2: and I think we would have seen this sooner with
Speaker 2: him had it not been for that injury that he suffered.
Speaker 2: Right after the Chris Gobin and Mike Evans injuries, we
Speaker 2: were all really high on McMillan. He's gonna step up
Speaker 2: and take over the slot roll and it got delayed.
Speaker 2: But now that he's finally healthy taking over this number
Speaker 2: two receiver, I mean, Kate Auten has been phased out,
Speaker 2: like he's not involved in this offense nearly as much.
Speaker 2: So I think mcmillins was stepped up as that number
Speaker 2: two receiver. And with all the attention on Mike Evans,
Speaker 2: even if it's only five or six targets, he's going
Speaker 2: to get favorable looks against Dallas's defense. So I think
Speaker 2: that he's an inspiring wide receiver flex play. And if
Speaker 2: I need a boom in my lineup, I mean Baker
Speaker 2: Mayfield against the Cowboys on the road.
Speaker 3: I think he's got a ceiling.
Speaker 1: The other receiver I wanted to bring up is Rashad Bateman.
Speaker 1: Obviously coming off of a two touchdown day. Bateman has
Speaker 1: been pretty good for the Ravens when healthy this season.
Speaker 1: He hasn't always been healthy, and I put together this
Speaker 1: outline before we got news that he popped up on
Speaker 1: the injury report with a foot issue. It's just always
Speaker 1: one thing or another with him. A currently our are
Speaker 1: they playing tool on fantasypros dot Com gives him a
Speaker 1: seventy two percent chance to play worth noting that they
Speaker 1: play on Saturday, so he does have one fewer day
Speaker 1: of rest to recover from whatever the foot issue is.
Speaker 1: So just keep an eye on that, you know, and
Speaker 1: bear that in mind as we have this discussion. But
Speaker 1: assuming he does play, coming off of this two touchdown game,
Speaker 1: only three catches, but he's just been a more reliable
Speaker 1: receiver than he had been in the past for the Ravens,
Speaker 1: and he does have four touchdowns in the last five weeks.
Speaker 1: Fits is Baitman somebody that you're interested in starting in
Speaker 1: Week sixteen.
Speaker 4: Boy, you would have to be in like a fourteen
Speaker 4: team league where you have to flex like three guys.
Speaker 4: I think it's just we know Lamar doesn't have a
Speaker 4: very good track record against the Steelers. He's averaged something
Speaker 4: like one hundred and fifty six passing yards against them
Speaker 4: in seven career games, and you know Mike Tomlin's been
Speaker 4: around for all those games, so there is a continuing threat.
Speaker 4: I do think games from like three years ago are
Speaker 4: relevant in that career track record. So yeah, I mean
Speaker 4: Bateman has only had more than five targets in two
Speaker 4: games this year. That's the issue. He's been scoring a
Speaker 4: lot of touchdowns seven this season, three in the last
Speaker 4: three games. But I think it's kind of touchdown or
Speaker 4: bust for Bateman this week.
Speaker 1: Yeah, ericson Bateman has been the deep threat for this offense.
Speaker 1: You know, you might think of just in looking at stylistically,
Speaker 1: it might cross your mind that is a Flowers look
Speaker 1: like the guy who would be the deep pret It's
Speaker 1: been Bateman this year and again it went healthy. That's
Speaker 1: been effective, if not a high volume play. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: saw it. To your point fits about Lamar prior to
Speaker 1: the Eagles game where they finished at nineteen points and
Speaker 1: by the way, would have been over twenty points if
Speaker 1: Justin Tucker didn't miss three kicks in that game. But
Speaker 1: prior to that Eagles game, I think it was the
Speaker 1: last three games that Lamar has been held to under
Speaker 1: twenty points. We're all against the Steelers, like this is
Speaker 1: the team that he struggles against. We had a show
Speaker 1: earlier this week with Erickson and Welsh in myself and
Speaker 1: Welsh is kind of buying in on a big game,
Speaker 1: you know, breaking the Steelers curse for Lamar this week.
Speaker 1: I'm really not Like it's one of those things where
Speaker 1: I need to see it happen before I will believe it.
Speaker 1: I was looking at his even just his career record,
Speaker 1: not even looking at offensive stats. Half of his regular
Speaker 1: season losses in his career are either to the Chiefs, Steelers,
Speaker 1: or Browns. Literally every other team accounts for fifty percent
Speaker 1: of his regular season losses in his career in the NFL.
Speaker 1: Those three teams account for the other fifty percent, So
Speaker 1: the Steelers are just one of those teams for him.
Speaker 1: Ericson what do you make of Bateman this week?
Speaker 2: I want no part of Rashad not if he's on
Speaker 2: the injury report. That is a screaming red sign do
Speaker 2: not go near Rashad Bateman. Again, this has always been
Speaker 2: his issue since he entered the NFL. Right when he's
Speaker 2: been healthy, been really efficient, but when he's banged up,
Speaker 2: he does not play well.
Speaker 3: Again.
Speaker 2: The last time he played the Steelers, two catches for
Speaker 2: thirty yards, right, So even if Lamar gets there for
Speaker 2: fantasy purposes, that doesn't necessarily mean Batman's going to get
Speaker 2: there because we know Lamar can do it with other weapons.
Speaker 2: They have a say Flowers, they have likely, they have Andrews. Okay,
Speaker 2: what do those guys catch the touchdowns? Derrick Henry And
Speaker 2: then you also have Lamar's legs, right, so he can
Speaker 2: get there on his legs too, So I don't think
Speaker 2: that you necessarily need Bateman to hit.
Speaker 3: For Lamar to hit makes a little bit easier.
Speaker 2: I think last week the Giants are one of the
Speaker 2: worst teams against the deep ball, and Rashad Bateman exposed
Speaker 2: that the Pittsburgh Steelers defense is much better. So I
Speaker 2: think this is not the week to chase Baitman. I
Speaker 2: know last week was great, I don't think it's going
Speaker 2: to be a repeat performance.
Speaker 1: Last waiver guy here Kendre Miller looking at the running backs,
Speaker 1: somebody who at various points in his time as a
Speaker 1: prospect or his time, you know, going to his rookie season.
Speaker 1: I know you guys have been interested in obviously getting
Speaker 1: somewhere opportunity here a degree of uncertainty with Alvin Kamara.
Speaker 1: Now that Dennis Allen is gone because he hates Kendre
Speaker 1: Miller for some reason, He's getting some kind of opportunity here.
Speaker 1: Eric's and I'll start with you on this and Candre Miller.
Speaker 1: Is he somebody He's ranked higher than these two wide
Speaker 1: receivers were that we talked about. He's inside the top
Speaker 1: thirty in ECR at running back. Is he somebody that
Speaker 1: you are willing to start this week?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I think that he's an RB three play. I mean,
Speaker 2: I love Kendre Miller, so that's why it's really hard
Speaker 2: for me to not want to rank him higher. But
Speaker 2: I don't love the spot for him playing on a
Speaker 2: primetime game on the road in Green Bay as fourteen
Speaker 2: point underdogs. That's not an ideal spot for really any
Speaker 2: running back with a rookie quarterback making a start, right,
Speaker 2: So I think there's a bit of a ceiling cap there.
Speaker 2: But at the end of the day, like I know
Speaker 2: Kendrick Miller is a really talented guy. I know that
Speaker 2: he's an expulsive rusher, So I know that Kamara's rushing
Speaker 2: yards have been down. But part of that us to
Speaker 2: do with Kamara is not as effective as a rusher
Speaker 2: he's been in years past, but also part of the
Speaker 2: offensive environment. There's a reason why Kamara's never hit his
Speaker 2: over on his rushing prop in games that Spencer Ratler
Speaker 2: has started this year. Like, it's not all just on Kamara,
Speaker 2: it's because the overall offense is creatoring with a rookie quarterback,
Speaker 2: and I mean Green Bay has been pretty good against
Speaker 2: running backs recently. They're playing at home, so I think
Speaker 2: there's a good floor here. I am concerned a little
Speaker 2: bit about how many targets he gets. Again, if this
Speaker 2: is assuming Camara doesn't play, he only has two targets
Speaker 2: of the last two weeks. Maybe he takes on that
Speaker 2: entire Kamara role, which would be ideal for a floor
Speaker 2: performance from Kendre Miller. But you know, I would assume
Speaker 2: they're probably gonna gt Jamal Wims a little more involved,
Speaker 2: maybe in past protection, maybe out of the backfield and
Speaker 2: he's still on the roster again. Kamara seems like he's
Speaker 2: probably not gonna play, considering they just signed Clyde Edwards
Speaker 2: layer to the practice squad, so they don't usually make
Speaker 2: transactional movies. The only reason we don't have news about
Speaker 2: this game giving Kamara is because he plays on Monday night,
Speaker 2: so the injury report we don't get until Thursday for
Speaker 2: the Saints, and I assume we're gonna get a DNP
Speaker 2: from Kamara, So I think that he is an RB
Speaker 2: three flex play, probably more of a floor than a ceiling,
Speaker 2: just given the environment that he has to overcome to
Speaker 2: really smash fits.
Speaker 1: He's RB twenty seven and ECR is at too high
Speaker 1: to low or just right for this week.
Speaker 4: Just right, I think that's exactly where I have him.
Speaker 4: And Ericson pretty much covered everything well. And I want
Speaker 4: to thank Erickson for giving a little hat tip to
Speaker 4: the Packers run defense. I still hear people say the
Speaker 4: Packers are like this great matchup for running backs. No,
Speaker 4: that was that was the Joe Berry era of defense
Speaker 4: for the Packers. Like Jeff Hafley, the new defensive coordinator,
Speaker 4: this unit's been pretty good against the run, not great,
Speaker 4: not elite, but at least league average, maybe even a
Speaker 4: little better than that. So not a great matchup. And
Speaker 4: you know, Erickson mentioned Jamal Williams two revenge game. Jamal
Speaker 4: did spend the first three years of his career in
Speaker 4: Green Bay. Maybe that does get him a little more run.
Speaker 4: Although I think Hendrey Miller out snapped him like twenty
Speaker 4: six to six last week. So there is a chance
Speaker 4: at volume four Kendre Miller, but only if Spencer Rattler
Speaker 4: can pick up a few first downs, and that is
Speaker 4: seriously in question this week. So maybe there's fifteen to
Speaker 4: eighteen touch up side for Kendry Miller, but it could
Speaker 4: also be like ten to twelve and they lose, you know,
Speaker 4: thirty eight to three.
Speaker 2: Did you guys see the upheaval about how Lions fans
Speaker 2: want Jamal Williams. You get cut from the Saints so
Speaker 2: we can join Detroit now to bring it back in
Speaker 2: the day of Montgomery role.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that would be imagine if that happened and he was,
Speaker 1: like all of a sudden a fantasy winner again because
Speaker 1: he just gets six touchdowns in the next three weeks. Man, hilarious.
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Speaker 1: All Right fits, Who are you planting your flag on
Speaker 1: this week?
Speaker 4: By the way, did you talk about the great thing
Speaker 4: for a sports fan this time of the year, the
Speaker 4: daytime Bowl games on a weekday? Nothing like you know,
Speaker 4: it's a Tuesday and it's eleven am Central Time, and
Speaker 4: all of a sudden, Toledo is kicking off against Florida Atlantic.
Speaker 4: Could what could be better than that? I'm gonna play
Speaker 4: my flag on Breton Strange. And I know he popped
Speaker 4: up on the injury report. I don't know if he
Speaker 4: practiced or was limited or out of practice on Wednesdays.
Speaker 4: You guys happen to know, all right, I'll keep talking,
Speaker 4: But yeah, I mean like if he plays, if he plays,
Speaker 4: he had eleven catches for seventy three yards on twelve
Speaker 4: targets against the Jets last week, although his longest reception
Speaker 4: went for nine yards.
Speaker 1: Yeah. But by the way, Fits listed is limited on
Speaker 1: Wednesday eighty seven? Chance to play? Are they playing tool?
Speaker 4: Yeah? So he's going to play and he is playing
Speaker 4: that Evan Ingram's security blanket role in the offense. He's
Speaker 4: just stepped right into the Ingram role. And it doesn't
Speaker 4: mean there is a lot of upside, but there is
Speaker 4: a floor of like I think he's gonna have five
Speaker 4: or six catches minimum. It might be five or six
Speaker 4: for you know, thirty nine yards. But here's betting that
Speaker 4: I don't know. I think Brenton Strange could get into
Speaker 4: the end zone this week with all those targets and
Speaker 4: maybe a defender falls down or something and he has
Speaker 4: a game of longer than nine yards and rips off
Speaker 4: a thirty five yard or something like that. So I'm
Speaker 4: planning my flag on Breton Strange. I've got him ranked
Speaker 4: as a tight end one this week.
Speaker 1: He's tight end ten in ECR. That's moved up a
Speaker 1: lot just in the last day.
Speaker 4: I got him eight's I'd play him over I play
Speaker 4: him over Travis Kelcey this week.
Speaker 1: Wow, Kelsey's up at tight end seven for the record.
Speaker 1: That's that. I think that is saying something here, ericson
Speaker 1: what do you think about that that ranking for Strange
Speaker 1: is tight end ten and him as a flag plant
Speaker 1: for fits.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think that you just copy paste whatever
Speaker 2: you would have ranked Evan Ingram here right again, he's
Speaker 2: taken over the same room and not trying to put
Speaker 2: poo Evan Ingram as a player as a talent. But
Speaker 2: it's not like Strange into the NFL without any draft capital.
Speaker 2: It's not like this was some undrafted player like this
Speaker 2: guy believe his Penn State athletic resume the second round pick,
Speaker 2: like during his second season, and he's someone that has
Speaker 2: shown out. And I think the thing that's interesting about
Speaker 2: Strange or I guess not Strange, is he didn't like
Speaker 2: completely get phased out when Evan Ingram came back, Like
Speaker 2: I was really surprised why he was able to kind
Speaker 2: of like have passes, catching passes here and there, even
Speaker 2: with Evan Ingram healthy throughout the majority of the season.
Speaker 2: We obviously saw in the beginning of the year when
Speaker 2: Evan Ingram was missing time that Breton Strange had receiver
Speaker 2: finishes as tight end nine, tight end seven, tight end nine.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I guess mac Jones.
Speaker 2: But if anything, mac Jones is better for Breton Strange
Speaker 2: because he's much, like much less likely to push the
Speaker 2: ball downfield and just jump it off to Strange.
Speaker 3: And it's a good match.
Speaker 2: I mean, this is a game that the Dagwars could win,
Speaker 2: right They're playing against the Raiders. So last week maybe
Speaker 2: a little bit tougher to imagine, Hey, he's gonna get
Speaker 2: in the end zone. Well this week, yeah, they should
Speaker 2: be able to score points against the Raiders in the Dome. Again,
Speaker 2: this is a classic vomit stack game in DFS where
Speaker 2: both teams are just really bad defenses, but offenses, Aidan
Speaker 2: O'Connell mac jones, you could see some points here. So yeah,
Speaker 2: I like the callin strange especially in full PPR.
Speaker 1: Ericson will stick with you. Who's your flag plant?
Speaker 2: Donald Mooney coming off a donut game? But this is
Speaker 2: why I love buying the dip on these wide, these
Speaker 2: boomer Bus wide receivers coming off games or they absolutely
Speaker 2: do nothing. But there's been a quarterback change. So Michael
Speaker 2: Penicks is coming in to start his first game in
Speaker 2: the NFL, and I think this is going to be
Speaker 2: a great upgrade for Darnell Mooney because I know that
Speaker 2: Michael Penis can push the ball downfield, and I can
Speaker 2: only imagine they're going to look at this Giants defense
Speaker 2: that again, we alluded to it earlier. Rashad Bateman, he
Speaker 2: went off on deep passes against the New York Giants.
Speaker 2: They ran dead last in EPA per target on the
Speaker 2: deep ball this season. The Giants cannot stop the deep pass,
Speaker 2: and that's Darnald Mooney's bread and butter. Like he's had
Speaker 2: again a boomer Bus wide receiver, but when he's spiked,
Speaker 2: he's been a top ten receiver in a lot of
Speaker 2: different and I think with Michael Penix coming in, I
Speaker 2: think they're going to want to showcase Penix. Hey, this
Speaker 2: is why we drafted this guy inside the top ten,
Speaker 2: this is why we picked him. We get that we got,
Speaker 2: you know, ridicule for picking Michael Pennix, and you know
Speaker 2: now they sack her cousins. But at home in the Dome,
Speaker 2: I think they're going to let it rip with Michael
Speaker 2: Pennix and really show off what this guy can do.
Speaker 2: And I think they're going to attack downfield with the
Speaker 2: Giants weakness. So Mooney again a tough click after last week,
Speaker 2: but hey, Mark Cooper at fourteen targets then put him
Speaker 2: down to the next week. So you can never really
Speaker 2: feel safe with some of these receivers. But I think
Speaker 2: the process says, hey, great matchup, like the upgraded quarterback,
Speaker 2: the deep ball should be there. I think he's going
Speaker 2: to get an opportunity, and so I like Darnel Mooney
Speaker 2: this week fits.
Speaker 1: We've got more coming up later in the show on
Speaker 1: Darnell Mooney and really this whole pack's non pack of
Speaker 1: Falcons offense. In some of our player debates, he's wide
Speaker 1: receiver thirty five though so quickly. Do you think that's
Speaker 1: an appropriate ranking for him?
Speaker 4: Yeah? I mean I think I'm a smidge lower. This
Speaker 4: should be Michael Pennock Junior's fourth NFL start rather than
Speaker 4: his first. They should have made this change a month ago,
Speaker 4: but better late than never, and I just the only
Speaker 4: thing that concerns me is that even four quarterbacks who
Speaker 4: turn out to be really good or even Hall of
Speaker 4: Fame level, often their NFL debuts, their first starts are
Speaker 4: are not pretty. And I'm a little worried about that.
Speaker 4: But there certainly is a much better chance of Mooney
Speaker 4: connecting on like a deep ball with Michael Pennex than
Speaker 4: there was on Mooney connecting with one with the washed
Speaker 4: up Kirk Cousins.
Speaker 1: There is no time of year I love more than
Speaker 1: the holidays, and one of my favorite annual traditions when
Speaker 1: I head back East to see family and friends as
Speaker 1: I am right now, is making the time for a
Speaker 1: trip to College Park to check out my beloved Terps
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Speaker 1: let's jump into some player debates here, Fellas ericson starting
Speaker 1: with you on the running backs, and by the way,
Speaker 1: I wanted to kind of intentionally for this week, and
Speaker 1: I'll probably aim to do something similar for next week's show.
Speaker 1: Is kind of pick some bigger names. Typically I look
Speaker 1: a little bit more on the fringes with some of
Speaker 1: these player debates. I'm kind of approaching this with the
Speaker 1: idea of if you are still alive in your fantasy
Speaker 1: playoffs at this point, you probably have a pretty good team.
Speaker 1: You probably have some pretty big name players that maybe
Speaker 1: guy you to this point and have struggled lately, or
Speaker 1: maybe you drafted early and somehow survived. If they've struggled
Speaker 1: all season and you're wondering is now the time to
Speaker 1: play them or not? So you might notice it skews
Speaker 1: a little bit more towards some of the bigger names
Speaker 1: this week than we have in past weeks. That's intentional,
Speaker 1: just trying to kind of make a guess as to
Speaker 1: the types of managers that are still alive at this point.
Speaker 1: If you have questions for some of the more fringe players,
Speaker 1: definitely we are still available. You know, go to our discord,
Speaker 1: you know, ask us there fits and Eric Center on
Speaker 1: there all the time, ask us on Twitter wherever you want.
Speaker 1: We could still answer other questions, but these are skewed
Speaker 1: a little bit towards bigger names, which you guys might
Speaker 1: have noticed when I put together the outline. Let's start
Speaker 1: with the running backs and then we'll start with Joe
Speaker 1: Mixon or CHEWBA Hubbard. Mixon obviously struggling lately, Hubbard coming
Speaker 1: off of a poor game. Ericson who do you prefer here,
Speaker 1: Joe Mixon or Chew B. Hubbard this week?
Speaker 2: I thought I was going to say Joe Mixon, but
Speaker 2: then I kind of took a longer look at it,
Speaker 2: and I don't see why it should be Joe Mix
Speaker 2: and it should be Chew Hubbard in my opinion, because
Speaker 2: you're looking at Okay, both guys have similar workloads, they're
Speaker 2: both work courses in their respective backfields. But even looking
Speaker 2: at just the Vegas implied odds in terms of who's
Speaker 2: projected to score more points, the Panthers arbrotect to score
Speaker 2: more points, than a week than the Houston Texans are.
Speaker 2: So you can't even make the argument, Oh, well, Joe
Speaker 2: mix is in the better offense environment. Well that's not
Speaker 2: really true because they have a tougher matchup against the
Speaker 2: Kansabi Chiefs. And we've seen this Cardinals defense b boom
Speaker 2: or busty against some of these running backs. I mean,
Speaker 2: Remandre was efficient against them last week, even though he
Speaker 2: didn't have a monster game. We obviously how what Sharbona
Speaker 2: did the Zona Cardinals two weeks ago an absolute monster game.
Speaker 2: So I think Chub Hubbard bounce is back here. I
Speaker 2: mean he's been someone that's kind of overcome tough matchups
Speaker 2: in the past. I don't even make I wouldn't even
Speaker 2: really make the argument. This Arizona Cardinals won, especially with
Speaker 2: them playing at home, is a super tough matchup. Joe
Speaker 2: Mixon on the road against the Chiefs. Yeah, I think
Speaker 2: it's Chuba Hubbard.
Speaker 1: What do you think, Fitz?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I've got tu beIN said the top ten. I
Speaker 4: mean there's no one behind him anymore. It's Mike Boone
Speaker 4: behind him. So like a very good outlook for twenty
Speaker 4: touches or so. And yeah, the Cardinals are kind of
Speaker 4: a neutral matchup. I would consider benching Joe mix In
Speaker 4: this week if you have some other decent options, like
Speaker 4: maybe for Rashad White. Like I'm worried about Mixon's Week
Speaker 4: sixteen outlook. Over his last five games, Mixon has struggled
Speaker 4: every time he goes up a good against a good
Speaker 4: run defense. Twenty five carries for forty six yards against
Speaker 4: the Lines in Week ten, although he did get into
Speaker 4: the end zone fourteen carries for twenty two yards against
Speaker 4: the Titans in Week twelve, twelve carries for twenty three
Speaker 4: yards against the Dolphins last week. The Texans have one
Speaker 4: of the worst offensive lines in the league. This week,
Speaker 4: Mixing goes up against the Chiefs, who have allowed the
Speaker 4: fewest rushing yards, receiving yards, and fantasy points to running
Speaker 4: backs this year. And Mixon's probably not one hundred percent
Speaker 4: after that hip drop tackle that wasn't called by the
Speaker 4: Way last week, so like his ankle is dinged up
Speaker 4: like just not a good spot for I have him
Speaker 4: ranked RB seventeen, and I'm worried that might be too
Speaker 4: high for Joe Mixon.
Speaker 1: It's definitely below consensus by the Way, eighty one percent
Speaker 1: chance to play with our early prediction on our playing
Speaker 1: on fantasypros dot com. Yeah, consensus has him still inside
Speaker 1: as a as an RB one. He's RB twelve on
Speaker 1: the week in ECR ericson where do you have him ranked? Now,
Speaker 1: that sounds like maybe moving him down looking at it
Speaker 1: more closely, Yeah.
Speaker 3: I probably gonna move him down to where Fitz has him.
Speaker 2: And Yeah, this is a tough one because he's been
Speaker 2: so good all season long, but you know, he is
Speaker 2: an older running back, He's had a lot of touches
Speaker 2: this season, he's playing banged up, and this.
Speaker 3: Is virtually the worst match him you can ask for
Speaker 3: on the road.
Speaker 2: And again, this isn't us, you know, just oh, this
Speaker 2: is a bad spot for I mean the Texans offense
Speaker 2: like might not be good here.
Speaker 3: The Texans offense has been not.
Speaker 2: Good from majority of the season and we're seeing that.
Speaker 2: By I mean, I was shocked, like how low they're
Speaker 2: implied team to think that's like the average outcome is
Speaker 2: they're going to score X amount of points? Like, it's
Speaker 2: not good this week for them, So especially with Mahomes
Speaker 2: potentially looking like he's gonna play if they're in catch
Speaker 2: up mode against Kansas, City playing on Saturday. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: feel like this might be one of his I mean
Speaker 2: three or two of his last three games have been
Speaker 2: total duds. He's been RB twenty nine and RB thirty
Speaker 2: two and half PPR scoring. You had twenty two rushing
Speaker 2: yards against the Titans, you had twenty three rushing yards
Speaker 2: against the Dolphins last week, and especially if he's banged up, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I think that you're trying to find someone other than
Speaker 2: Joe Mixon this week.
Speaker 4: By the way, like when they when they released the schedule,
Speaker 4: and I remember seeing this game on a Saturday, like, oh,
Speaker 4: I'm not going to be Christmas shopping that day, Texans Chiefs,
Speaker 4: that's going to be a great game. I might go
Speaker 4: Christmas shopping. I think this game is. I think it's
Speaker 4: going to low key suck. I think real it's going
Speaker 4: to be a bad game.
Speaker 1: Are you going to get your shopping done before Raven
Speaker 1: Steelers after.
Speaker 4: This that I'll do. I'll make it for that game.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it is. It's just it goes to
Speaker 1: show you that you really don't know what a game
Speaker 1: is going to look like, that you know, a few
Speaker 1: months in six months in advance, when they put the
Speaker 1: schedule together because this was like the double head right
Speaker 1: this Saturday Wednesday turnaround, it's these same four teams playing
Speaker 1: around Robin and you know, in May that looks really exciting.
Speaker 1: And you know, the Texans have been disappointing, Like obviously
Speaker 1: the Steelers are winning a lot, but you know, are
Speaker 1: they the type of fun offense you want to see
Speaker 1: in primetime on Netflix? You know, the Chiefs with mahomes
Speaker 1: banged up Ravens can't stop a nosebleed. I mean, it
Speaker 1: just looks different than you would have expected. And you
Speaker 1: know that tends to happen every year. I'm getting a
Speaker 1: lot of questions on Joe Mixon already, like even early
Speaker 1: in the week of, you know, in the semi finals.
Speaker 1: Can I really sit this guy who's had so many
Speaker 1: big games this year? And I think the answer is, yes,
Speaker 1: you can sit him. I'm not saying he's a must sit,
Speaker 1: but I think if you have a strong option, I'm
Speaker 1: totally in agreement with you, guys, like you can look elsewhere.
Speaker 1: The other running back to be I wanted to throw
Speaker 1: you guys. It's kind of a crazy way to think,
Speaker 1: you know, again, thinking back to where we were a
Speaker 1: few months ago, but these guys are ranks back to
Speaker 1: back in ECR, it's Brees Hall or Jerome Ford.
Speaker 3: Fits.
Speaker 1: I will start with you on this one. Who are
Speaker 1: you starting in week sixteen? Breshall or Jerome Fordan By
Speaker 1: the way, that's RB twenty and RB twenty one in ECR.
Speaker 4: Yeah, this is tough because I've major concerns with both
Speaker 4: and with Ford, my concern is Dorian Thompson Robinson. I mean, yes,
Speaker 4: Ford is probably in line for fifteen to twenty touches
Speaker 4: with Nick Chub out for the season with that broken foot.
Speaker 4: But DTR has made three starts for the Browns. They
Speaker 4: were all last year. The brown scored three, thirteen and
Speaker 4: twelve points in those three games. Brown's running backs in
Speaker 4: those three games had forty six combined receiving yards. I
Speaker 4: don't think Ford is a very sunny touchdown outlook with
Speaker 4: DTR at quarterback, and you know, it could be a
Speaker 4: pretty rough day for him if if DTR can't move
Speaker 4: the sticks and like keep drives going. So that said,
Speaker 4: i think I'm playing him over Brese Hall, whose health
Speaker 4: I'm concerned about, Like he missed Week fourteen with a
Speaker 4: knee injury was kind of an unexpected active in Week fifteen,
Speaker 4: but he played his lowest snapchare of the season forty
Speaker 4: eight percent. Only nine carries for thirty yards did get
Speaker 4: into the end zone, though, major reservations about both guys.
Speaker 4: But I will go with the guy who I know
Speaker 4: to be healthy and who's you know, got a pretty
Speaker 4: good chance to finish out the game. I don't know
Speaker 4: if that's the case with Hall.
Speaker 1: Fitz gave this sixty seconds and why he doesn't like
Speaker 1: Jerome Ford and then still picked him over Breese Hall.
Speaker 1: What a fall from grace. Eric said, who do you
Speaker 1: like better?
Speaker 2: I mean, I like Bresaw because I think that he's
Speaker 2: the healthiest Jets running back right now, because he's the
Speaker 2: only one that practiced in full this week on Wednesday.
Speaker 2: The other two guys are both limited with back injuries,
Speaker 2: so they've been trying to put the team on their back,
Speaker 2: the Jets, and it's been weighing on them heavily. So
Speaker 2: I think we're gonna get more of usual Breese's workload
Speaker 2: this week because I think that he is going to
Speaker 2: be healthier.
Speaker 3: You know, we got really bailed out.
Speaker 2: I was rewatching that the Jets game from last week
Speaker 2: and when the touchdown he scored. The Jaguars didn't try
Speaker 2: to stop him because they wanted to get the ball back,
Speaker 2: So it was so funny seeing the offensive lunch get
Speaker 2: this massive push and it was like one of the
Speaker 2: first Breeseaul touchdowns since seeming like week one where he
Speaker 2: actually got the ball at the goal line. So we
Speaker 2: got bailed out by touchdown last week. I think he
Speaker 2: gets back to his normal role, and I mean I
Speaker 2: like Jets rams like this should be a game where
Speaker 2: it's offensive scoring, both team's kind of going head to head.
Speaker 2: So I like Breese Hall a little bit more than
Speaker 2: Jerome Ford. I mean, we've seen Jerome Ford in this
Speaker 2: RB one role before. He had one top twenty finish
Speaker 2: and six games as the starter before Nick Choke came back.
Speaker 2: So I don't know all of a sudden, O, well,
Speaker 2: now he's immediately gonna be smashing, Like. I get that
Speaker 2: the matchup's good against the Bengals, but dtr like has
Speaker 2: a chance to really make this entire OFFENSEI environment crumble,
Speaker 2: whereas the Jets.
Speaker 3: Are gonna score points. It's a three and a half
Speaker 3: points spread.
Speaker 2: I think it's gonna be a little bit back and
Speaker 2: forth between and I think that Breese Hall will get
Speaker 2: more touches than last week.
Speaker 3: So I'm gonna go with Breeze.
Speaker 4: Ericson has given me credit throughout the season for like
Speaker 4: changing his mind about start sit calls. He just changed
Speaker 4: my mind about this one. I'm gonna I'm gonna move
Speaker 4: Brice Hall ahead of Like DTR could totally shipwreck this offense.
Speaker 4: Like he's He's thrown almost one hundred and fifty career passes.
Speaker 4: His YPA is three point seven yards yards per attempt,
Speaker 4: three point seven.
Speaker 1: He he he made a start against the Ravens last
Speaker 1: year and it was a year ago. Maybe he's improved
Speaker 1: in some areas, but it was like this, he just
Speaker 1: didn't belong in the field, Like I obviously I watched
Speaker 1: that game closely, and like it was just, I mean,
Speaker 1: it was an untenable quarterback situation. So they've been dealing
Speaker 1: with unique quarterback play. I'll say throughout the season, the
Speaker 1: James experience and obviously Deshaun Watson.
Speaker 4: But what happens if you're the Jerry Judy stakeholder, though,
Speaker 4: and you bench him this week and then like DTR
Speaker 4: struggles in the first quarter and a half and they
Speaker 4: put in Jamis and Judy winds up with like five
Speaker 4: for one hundred and two touchdowns and you've got him
Speaker 4: on your bench, he would.
Speaker 3: Be So you're just gonna be like, hey, crushed, the
Speaker 3: process was right.
Speaker 2: Be a TTR and then I mean that's kind of why,
Speaker 2: like in some super flex leagues, like if Jamie s
Speaker 2: Winston's got dropped, like pick him up because we may
Speaker 2: have seeing the last of him.
Speaker 3: He might be back for week seventeen, So just keep doing.
Speaker 1: I can just picture ericson now like middle of March
Speaker 1: thinking back on all the money he lost getting eliminated
Speaker 1: in the semifinals. The process was right. That's that's what's
Speaker 1: gonna keep him, keep him sleeping comfortably at night. Let's
Speaker 1: look at some wide receiver debates. We actually do have
Speaker 1: Jerry Judy coming up in the future, so we'll get
Speaker 1: more into uh, if you actually would consider making that
Speaker 1: that move. This week in a bit, I want to
Speaker 1: talk about Drake London. I've got him, you know, paired
Speaker 1: here against Juwan Jennings. Obviously, Jennings coming off a poor
Speaker 1: game fits when you saw the news about Michael Pettix,
Speaker 1: what did you do with Drake London? Did you leave
Speaker 1: him wherever you had him already? Did you move him
Speaker 1: up a little? Did you move them up a lot?
Speaker 1: Did you consider moving him down because it's a rookie
Speaker 1: quarterback making his first start. What was your gut reaction,
Speaker 1: I see this news, I need to go move Drake
Speaker 1: London in this way.
Speaker 4: I was going to initially move him up. I wound
Speaker 4: up not moving any of the Falcons pass catchers. So,
Speaker 4: like I I wasn't excited about the Atlanta pass catchers
Speaker 4: because the Falcons were clearly trying to hide Kirk Cousins
Speaker 4: on Monday Night in that game against the Raiders, I
Speaker 4: think they threw on first down once the entire game.
Speaker 4: But then, like just looking back over the NFL debuts,
Speaker 4: over some of the current NFL starters, like you know,
Speaker 4: Joe Burrell kind of allows the NFL debut, Josh Allen
Speaker 4: allows the NFL debut, Like even the good ones are
Speaker 4: not good in their first games. And I can't imagine
Speaker 4: the Falcons are going to cut Michael Pennix loose for
Speaker 4: forty pass attempts in his first NFL game, even though
Speaker 4: the matchup against the Giants is pretty good. So I
Speaker 4: left London where I was at, where he was at
Speaker 4: before with Cousins, I had am wide receiver eighteen. That's
Speaker 4: he's still wide receiver eighteen.
Speaker 1: And where is that in relation to Jennings.
Speaker 4: One spot behind? Like I'm not worried about Jennings throwing
Speaker 4: up a brick last week the forty nine Ers passing
Speaker 4: game just wasn't working in the rain in the first
Speaker 4: half of that game. Someone I wish I could give credit,
Speaker 4: but I forget who was on Twitter put up numbers
Speaker 4: from like rain games for brock Party Man, He's awful
Speaker 4: in the rain. Do not ever start rock Party or
Speaker 4: his receivers in the rain ever again. So two of
Speaker 4: nine two catches, nine targets for Jennings last week thirty
Speaker 4: one yards. But since week ten, Jennings was averaged eight
Speaker 4: point five targets, five point seven catches, sixty six point
Speaker 4: eight receiving yards a game, with three touchdowns in those
Speaker 4: six games. Those are wide receiver two numbers. I've got
Speaker 4: him as a mid range wide receiver two this week.
Speaker 1: Erica, and I want to frame the question to you
Speaker 1: the same way when you saw the Panics news. We
Speaker 1: already talked to it about how you like Mooney more
Speaker 1: because of it. What did you do with Drake London
Speaker 1: specifically when he saw the news and then also how
Speaker 1: is he ranked compared to Jennings.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't move Drake London either. I thought it
Speaker 2: was kind of neutral because like for London, he just
Speaker 2: needs volume, right, that's like that's his mame. And with
Speaker 2: this matchup with Penix, like you're not saying, oh, well,
Speaker 2: now they're going to throw the ball more like I
Speaker 2: like Mooney because he can win with efficiency, like he
Speaker 2: can win unlimited volume. That's not the case with London,
Speaker 2: Like he needs double digit targets, which with a rookie
Speaker 2: quarterback in a really soft run matchup for the Falcons
Speaker 2: against the Giants, I don't think you're going to see
Speaker 2: double the jitargets for London. So again, he can catch touchdown,
Speaker 2: that's great, but I think that he kind of stays
Speaker 2: put in that midwide receiver or wide receiver two range,
Speaker 2: and I like him less than Jennings look like chemistry wise,
Speaker 2: like rock Perridy and Jennings are just like they're like
Speaker 2: dialed in. And the fact that he had nine targets
Speaker 2: last week, Yes it was terrible, but we all know
Speaker 2: why so I think that he has a major bounce
Speaker 2: back here, not afraid of the Miami Dolphin. I mean,
Speaker 2: we know Deebo Samuel's not doing anything so Joan Jennings.
Speaker 1: Jennings is four spots below London and ECR. So you
Speaker 1: guys are both disagreeing with consensus on that one, even
Speaker 1: if not by a ton. Another wide receiver debate here.
Speaker 1: This is a decision that I had to make last week,
Speaker 1: and I will have to make it again this week.
Speaker 1: So I decided I'm going to use this opportunity to
Speaker 1: get you guys to help me out with my decision
Speaker 1: making here. DJ Moore or Jordan Addison, who do you
Speaker 1: like better this week? Ericson, I'll start with you.
Speaker 3: I just don't want to play Bears players. I just
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I know that they seem to always get there because
Speaker 2: Caleb Williams drops back to throw forty times and it's
Speaker 2: a matchup where they should see volume. But I know
Speaker 2: the Lion Stevens is banged up. But I'm just I
Speaker 2: just hate this game, honestly, Bears Lions playing outside outdoors.
Speaker 2: I think it's going to be really crappy in the cold.
Speaker 2: I just don't want parts of it. So I'm gonna
Speaker 2: go with Adison because he's just been on fire, and
Speaker 2: even in a game last week where he wasn't nearly
Speaker 2: as involved, I mean, he's still put up a decent floor.
Speaker 2: And I mean they're playing the Seahawks, ginus, what's gonna play?
Speaker 2: So maybe get a little bit pushback from the Seahawks offense.
Speaker 2: I'm more excited about that game, honestly from an offensive
Speaker 2: environment standpoint.
Speaker 3: Than Lions and Bears.
Speaker 2: And maybe I'm reading this wrong, but I like shooting
Speaker 2: for the ceiling with with Jordan Adison.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, did you have Moore did have sixteen
Speaker 1: targets when they faced the Lions in Week thirteen. Obviously
Speaker 1: that's the season high. He hit eight catches ninety seven
Speaker 1: yards in a touchdown. And this defense is so banged
Speaker 1: up to your point, you always call it. You know,
Speaker 1: Ford Field is the Coors Field of the NFL. Clearly
Speaker 1: they won't be playing there this time around, so maybe
Speaker 1: it looks a little bit different. These guys are two
Speaker 1: spots apart in ECR. For the record, DJ Moore and
Speaker 1: Jordan Addison fits who do you prefer?
Speaker 4: Now? They won't be playing in ford Field. They'll be
Speaker 4: playing out in the most isolated stadium in the NFL,
Speaker 4: out on the Museum Peninsula in Chicago, which is so
Speaker 4: hard to get to. I hate going to games there
Speaker 4: because of that or concerts. But anyway, I have Jordan
Speaker 4: Addison ranked one spot ahead of DJ Moore. And even
Speaker 4: though I'm a big believer in Jordan Addison's talent, couple
Speaker 4: weeks ago, I was having a hard time getting to
Speaker 4: where ECR was with him every week because I wasn't
Speaker 4: entirely comfortable with his target outlook. But Addison has averaged
Speaker 4: almost nine targets over his last five games, with at
Speaker 4: least eight targets in four of those five games. Since
Speaker 4: Week eleven. Addison is wide receiver six and a half
Speaker 4: point PPR Fantasy points per game, So I've got him
Speaker 4: ahead of More. I'm okay with More. He's also getting
Speaker 4: a lot of targets fifty six over his last five games,
Speaker 4: and like a couple well. Obviously, before this last week,
Speaker 4: I would have worried more about the matchups because the
Speaker 4: Lions were pretty tough on outside cornerbacks, not so much
Speaker 4: against slot guys, but now without their best outside cornerback,
Speaker 4: Carlton Davis, like, I'm not worried about really any wide
Speaker 4: receiver matchup against this Lions defense. And you know DJ
Speaker 4: Moore kind of smashed against the Lions on Thanksgiving over
Speaker 4: one hundred yards and a touchdown a few weeks ago.
Speaker 4: So like, I'm okay with both of these guys. I've
Speaker 4: I've got him rank both at the top of wide
Speaker 4: receiver three range.
Speaker 1: To your point fits about the targets for Addison, do
Speaker 1: you feel like the floor has raised it all because
Speaker 1: because my problem with starting Addison early in the year
Speaker 1: was we know what the ceiling could be, but the
Speaker 1: downside was he would borderline lose you the week, like
Speaker 1: getting you very very little basically nothing lately since the
Speaker 1: start a week nine, So going back seven games, he's
Speaker 1: only had two of those games where he's been outside
Speaker 1: the top thirty six. And you know, the top thirty
Speaker 1: six isn't maybe that high, but it's at least high
Speaker 1: enough to be like, he's not losing you the week
Speaker 1: if he's not reaching that ceiling. We obviously know what
Speaker 1: the ceiling is because to the last four weeks he's
Speaker 1: been a top three ride receiver finish, right, But you know,
Speaker 1: even going back, like I said this seven weeks, the
Speaker 1: floor feels like a little bit higher, even in the
Speaker 1: worst case scenario. Do you feel the same way.
Speaker 4: Yeah, paradigm shift, I think in the way the passing
Speaker 4: game works for the Vikings and different quarterbacks. But last
Speaker 4: year it was TJ Hawkinson at least before his knee injury,
Speaker 4: and Justin Jefferson were like both target hogs. Both guys
Speaker 4: were typically getting double digit targets like every week. And
Speaker 4: now Hockinson is no longer really a target hog, and
Speaker 4: Jefferson's probably not getting as many targets as he got
Speaker 4: last week either, because, like, Addison is so good. I mean,
Speaker 4: I think it's more of a plus ev move to
Speaker 4: throw to Jordan Addison than it is to throw to TJ. Hockinson,
Speaker 4: So I can understand why that shift has taken place.
Speaker 4: So Hockinson not as valuable, and maybe part of that
Speaker 4: is injury related, but Addison is just really good, and
Speaker 4: you know, Sam Darnold, God bless him. He is floating
Speaker 4: the fantasy value of three Minnesota pass catchers.
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Speaker 1: let's do some more rapid fire start shit decision guys
Speaker 1: ericson are you starting Isaiah Picchecko on Saturday or Tyrone
Speaker 1: Tracy Junior?
Speaker 2: Tyron Tracy Junior for me Top twenty run back the
Speaker 2: last two games with Drew Lock as a starter. And
Speaker 2: I hate the matchup for Pacheco against the Texans, and
Speaker 2: I mean Chiefs are three headed backfield.
Speaker 3: We don't we're not getting rid of Kremon. We're gonna
Speaker 3: use him.
Speaker 2: We're gonna use pe Ryan a little bit where Tracy still.
Speaker 2: I know Singletary got the goal line touchdown last week.
Speaker 2: But Traca got ten targets the last time Drew Lock
Speaker 2: started a game, So I think that Tracy is the
Speaker 2: clear bell cow still in his backfield, not afraid of
Speaker 2: the Falcons matchup, So I like Tracy fifth.
Speaker 1: Do you prefer Tracy's RB twenty six? Isaiah pa Checko
Speaker 1: is RB twenty eight? They are sandwiching kendri an Ecr.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Ericson is not going to be changing my mind
Speaker 4: on this one. I would much rather play Pacheco. Like.
Speaker 4: The Chiefs have to get the running game going this week,
Speaker 4: don't they. I mean it would be irresponsible of them
Speaker 4: to let Patrick Mahomes throw it forty times or more
Speaker 4: on a high ankle springt. I know Pchecko has not
Speaker 4: looked great since coming back from that injury, and he
Speaker 4: is kind of sharing work with Kareem Hunt, but I
Speaker 4: still think he's a good bad for like fourteen or
Speaker 4: fifteen targets against the Texans, not a great matchup, but
Speaker 4: Tracy had ten carries for thirty one yards last week
Speaker 4: against the Ravens. Over his last three games, Tracy's averaging
Speaker 4: three point one yards per carry. Two of those games
Speaker 4: were against the Cowboys and Saints, two of the worst
Speaker 4: run defenses in the league. I would take issue with
Speaker 4: that Bell belcow description ericson like they're giving singletary touches again,
Speaker 4: including a goal one touch last week. So like plus
Speaker 4: whether it's Drew Locke, Tommy DeVito, Tim Boyle, I mean,
Speaker 4: it's just a disgusting quarterback situation, regardless of who starts
Speaker 4: for the Giants. Like I just this offense is going
Speaker 4: to struggle to move the ball. I want no part
Speaker 4: of it. I would much rather I have Tracy outside.
Speaker 1: The top thirty. That's the top thirty, Okay, And where
Speaker 1: do you have Pacheco ranked twenty five?
Speaker 4: Twenty five for Pachecko, thirty two for Tracy.
Speaker 1: All right, let's look at a wide receiver. We've talked
Speaker 1: about both these guys already. You know, one of them
Speaker 1: was a flag plant. One of them we talked about
Speaker 1: in passing Jerry Judy or Darnell Mooney. Kind of an
Speaker 1: interesting one given the quarterback situation for both these guys
Speaker 1: and given what we've seen from them recently. Fits, I'll
Speaker 1: start with you on this one, Darnell Mooney or Jerry Judy.
Speaker 4: Oh Man, So I've got Judy Wide receiver thirty two,
Speaker 4: And I think when I first did my rankings, I
Speaker 4: was doing them like Monday night, as if Winston was
Speaker 4: going to play, and I had him at like wide
Speaker 4: receiver twelve. So I've docked him like twenty spots in
Speaker 4: the rankings and it still might not be enough. That said,
Speaker 4: I do have him a little ahead of Mooney. So like, yeah,
Speaker 4: as mentioned before, like the outlook is really bleak with
Speaker 4: the for Judy, but like I don't know how good
Speaker 4: the outlook is for Michael Pennox in his first start.
Speaker 4: And as I mentioned before, like Joe Burrow was under
Speaker 4: two hundred passing yards in his first NFL start, Josh
Speaker 4: Allen under two hundred yards in his first NFL start. Like,
Speaker 4: I just don't think there's gonna be a lot of
Speaker 4: yardage and touchdown goodness to go around with Pennix making
Speaker 4: his NFL debut. So I'm gonna go with Judy and
Speaker 4: maybe hope that that in game benching of DTR happens
Speaker 4: and we get Jamis coming in to save the day
Speaker 4: for fantasy.
Speaker 1: Erickson, you are planting your flag on Moony, Does that
Speaker 1: mean that you're going with him over Judy this week.
Speaker 2: Yes, because I think that the Falcons are actually trying
Speaker 2: to win games by playing the best quarterback and the
Speaker 2: Browns are not doing that. I mean, we've seen Jerry
Speaker 2: Judy with back quarterbacks all the Denver Broncos days.
Speaker 3: We've seen it and it's terrible.
Speaker 2: So really, the only way this beats me is if
Speaker 2: Winston comes in the second half. And if you can
Speaker 2: trust that, if that's the process you want to follow.
Speaker 3: You believe dtr is going to get benched, then hey,
Speaker 3: you I maybe it's a non zero chance, it really
Speaker 3: is a non.
Speaker 2: Zero chance, but I'm gonna go with the guy that
Speaker 2: I'm Confid's gonna play four quarters with Michael Pennix and
Speaker 2: Darnel Mooney.
Speaker 4: Erickson might be swaying me a second time. Oh gosh,
Speaker 4: he can't get me on Tyrone Tracy. But two out
Speaker 4: of his last three.
Speaker 1: Here fits have some conviction in your in your research
Speaker 1: and opinions. Come on, man, let's just some flex ones here.
Speaker 1: Two teammates who are facing a very good Eagles defense,
Speaker 1: Terry McLaurin or Brian Robinson. Obviously, both guys have been
Speaker 1: in a really strong place, you know, when healthy on
Speaker 1: Robinson's side of things for most.
Speaker 3: Of the year.
Speaker 1: This was not a very good game against the Eagles
Speaker 1: the first time for this commander's offense as a whole.
Speaker 1: So who do you guys prefer in this one? Fits
Speaker 1: starting with you, Terry McLaurin or Brian Robinson.
Speaker 4: Yeah, tough matchups for both, but Robinson did fare a
Speaker 4: little better the last time. I think he had like
Speaker 4: thirteen for sixty eight in a touchdown against the Eagles,
Speaker 4: and McLaurin had two targets one catch for ten yards.
Speaker 4: Although I'm I would just tell people don't bench Terry
Speaker 4: McLaurin like joe piece of p and I got a
Speaker 4: zillion questions about AJ Brown last week and his matchup
Speaker 4: with Joey Porter Junior from people who wanted to bench
Speaker 4: AJ Brown, and like every single person we told, do
Speaker 4: not bench AJ Brown, and AJ Brown had one hundred
Speaker 4: and ten yards and a touchdown, So kind of telling
Speaker 4: people the same thing. Even though Quinnon Mitchell is going
Speaker 4: to be a tough matchup for Terry McLaurin, do not
Speaker 4: bench him unless you're absolutely stacked at wide receiver. But
Speaker 4: that said, in this choice, I would flex Brian Robinson
Speaker 4: over Terry McLaurin.
Speaker 1: And again I'm kind of assuming that a lot of
Speaker 1: people who are still alive have good teams and will
Speaker 1: have to make tough decisions based on the matchup or
Speaker 1: you know, really any number of things. I mean this,
Speaker 1: to me, Week sixteen is the week of like, if
Speaker 1: you get to week seventeen, it's like, Okay, it's one game,
Speaker 1: anything can happen. But like, this is the like most
Speaker 1: pressure filled week honestly, at least the way I kind
Speaker 1: of treat it internally in terms of, like I want
Speaker 1: to make the title game, like if I have a
Speaker 1: good team and I have tough decisions to make, So
Speaker 1: I think it's worth bringing up somebody who has been
Speaker 1: aped obviously a must start all season in McLaurin, given
Speaker 1: what he did last time against Philly ericson who do
Speaker 1: you like better in this flex matchup, Terry McLaurin or
Speaker 1: Brian Robinson.
Speaker 2: Brian Robinson for me as well, I mean he's got
Speaker 2: a very good role, especially without Austin Ecle. I mean,
Speaker 2: he's involved in all facets, and I think it's gonna
Speaker 2: be tougher for the Eagles to say, hey, we're going
Speaker 2: to take away the entire Commander's Run game between Daniels
Speaker 2: and Robinson, whereas I mean they can throw everything at
Speaker 2: Terry McLaurin and make Daniels throw it to a Lama
Speaker 2: days a kias Diami Brown, like you know the Eagles are.
Speaker 3: That's probably what they're going to plan on doing.
Speaker 2: But again again I grew with fits like don't bench
Speaker 2: r mccorrn because the dude just needs one right to
Speaker 2: pay off because he's that talented.
Speaker 3: I mean we've seen it, like in the fourth quarter.
Speaker 2: He had no basically no catches or targets in one
Speaker 2: of those games, and he catches one goes to the house, right,
Speaker 2: So I think that he can end up getting there,
Speaker 2: even if it's rough sledding. But I like Brian Robinson
Speaker 2: versus mclorn.
Speaker 1: Ericson I'll start with you on the next one, DeAndre
Speaker 1: Swift or Cooper Cup and Cooper Cup maybe I shouldn't
Speaker 1: have included because if you have him on your team,
Speaker 1: you might not even be alive anymore. Given the Goosegg.
Speaker 3: Everybody was saying that, well, that's why you get bie weeks. Yes, exact,
Speaker 3: that's why.
Speaker 2: You're in your bye weeks. I think it's kind of close.
Speaker 2: But I just I just don't want Bears. I just
Speaker 2: don't know why. I don't like the matchup for the
Speaker 2: Bears at home. I think it's gonna be gross games,
Speaker 2: so I like the environment war Jets rams, so I
Speaker 2: think Cooper Cup bounces back.
Speaker 1: So where are you ranking Cup this week? Just in
Speaker 1: a vacuum, not even you know, thinking about Swift.
Speaker 3: He's wide receiver seventeen.
Speaker 1: Seventeen, Okay, that seems roughly fair. Fits What about you?
Speaker 4: I've got Cup wide receiver fourteen, even with the goose
Speaker 4: egg last week. Since coming back from injury in Week eight,
Speaker 4: he is wide receiver sixteen in fantasy points per game,
Speaker 4: and he gets the Jets this week. They're not as
Speaker 4: good against slot receivers as they are against outside receivers.
Speaker 4: I just I don't want to play Swift. Like I know,
Speaker 4: the Lions have these injuries, and they just lost a
Speaker 4: Lee McNeil from the middle of the defensive line. But
Speaker 4: like Swift head eleven carries for thirty nine yards against
Speaker 4: the Lions on Thanksgiving, they've they've still have been good
Speaker 4: against the run. I guess I will say to anyone
Speaker 4: starting Swift, your hope is probably that he damages the
Speaker 4: Lions in the passing game, and we saw that last
Speaker 4: week with Ty Johnson and James Cook having big days
Speaker 4: in the passing game against the Lions. Well, actually James
Speaker 4: Cook had one catch, but it was kind of a
Speaker 4: big one. So yeah, I mean, like Swift might be
Speaker 4: able to pay off as a pass catcher. I don't
Speaker 4: know if he pays off as a runner. I would
Speaker 4: rather start Copp for sure.
Speaker 2: We'll say too Roshan Johnson. She could be coming back
Speaker 2: as well. So he's missed the last couple of games
Speaker 2: and we know that they like him as a pass catcher,
Speaker 2: so just kind of keep that in mind. That hurts
Speaker 2: Swift's floor, I think without having that full bellcoal role
Speaker 2: because they're going to use Johnson, especially at the goal line.
Speaker 1: So you know, Ericson, let's go to you for Ramandre
Speaker 1: Stevenson or Jacoby Myers this week?
Speaker 3: Did you go Myers?
Speaker 2: I mean, I think he's like a locked in top
Speaker 2: twenty guy when O'Connell is the starter. The paint of
Speaker 2: jag Jay wars second terrible and Remandre I get like
Speaker 2: on paper, the Bills kind of looks like, oh, like
Speaker 2: they give up a lot of points, But if the
Speaker 2: Pagers are getting blown out, then it doesn't matter because
Speaker 2: Romandre is not going to be involved whatsoever. So Jacoby
Speaker 2: for me, especially if it looks like anal call is
Speaker 2: gonna play.
Speaker 3: So yeah, Myers for me.
Speaker 1: These guys are back to back in our flex ECR rankings,
Speaker 1: they are fifty third and fifty fourth overall. Myers is
Speaker 1: wide receiver twenty six and Romandre is running back twenty
Speaker 1: five Fit two.
Speaker 4: Do you prefer Jacoby? He's inside my top twenty a
Speaker 4: wide receiver. He and AOC have clicked so far, and
Speaker 4: like I would start him over Romandre in standard scoring. Actually,
Speaker 4: since Romandre Romandre missed Week six with a foot injury.
Speaker 4: Since coming back, he has averaged forty eight rushing yards
Speaker 4: over eight games and just three point three yards per carry.
Speaker 4: And he has not had more than seventy four rushing
Speaker 4: yards in any game. Like it just has not been
Speaker 4: very exciting for Romandre. I would play Jacoby Myers without question.
Speaker 1: Fits will stick with you last flex one here, Naji
Speaker 1: Harris or Marvin Harrison Junior? Who would you?
Speaker 4: This is? This is growth? I thought we were in
Speaker 4: the playoffs here, that's this question. I guess I'm playing Harrison,
Speaker 4: and I'm not enthusiastic about either option. But I don't
Speaker 4: hate Harrison's matchup against the Panthers. I do hate Nase's
Speaker 4: matchup against the Ravens. And Naji was outsnapped by Jalen
Speaker 4: Warren twenty three fourteen last week, and I'm worried this
Speaker 4: could be another Jalen Warren week because, as you well know, Worm,
Speaker 4: the Ravens are really tough against the run, but not
Speaker 4: so tough against running backs in the passing game. Yes,
Speaker 4: Nase catches passes two, but Jalen Warren is the much
Speaker 4: more explosive pass catching back. And with George Pickens out
Speaker 4: like they need some sort of home run hitter, some
Speaker 4: speed in that offense, and I think Warren is the
Speaker 4: guy who can give it to them more so than Nase.
Speaker 1: Ericson. This is an interesting one in ECR because if
Speaker 1: you just look at the rankings, they are only a
Speaker 1: few spots apart. But if you look at if you
Speaker 1: you know, you can kind of compare two players through
Speaker 1: expert consensus rankings on our site, and it shows you
Speaker 1: the percentage of experts that have a guy higher than
Speaker 1: the other ninety five percent of experts have Marvin Harrison
Speaker 1: Junior higher, even though it's not by a very wide
Speaker 1: margin in the overall rankings. Are you among that ninety
Speaker 1: five percent? Do you agree with Marvin Harrison Junior as
Speaker 1: the play here?
Speaker 2: Yes, I am part of the herd. I am part
Speaker 2: of the ninety five percent, So give me more Panthers.
Speaker 2: He's gonna definitely score three touchdowns. I want to train
Speaker 2: me bride to score. So so be it Marvin Harrison
Speaker 2: for me? All right?
Speaker 1: I got a quarterback one here, interesting one here fits
Speaker 1: Sam Darnold or Jordan Love this week.
Speaker 4: Oh, you're making the Packer fans say, you're making me
Speaker 4: pick the Vikings quarterback. Yeah, I have to. I actually
Speaker 4: think it's an easy call. Love is how much is
Speaker 4: gonna How many passes is Jordan Love gonna throw on
Speaker 4: Monday Night Sunday night? Excuse me? Wait? Is a Monday
Speaker 4: Night or Sunday Monday? Monday Monday Night? Yeah? Against a
Speaker 4: Saints team that's much better against the past than they
Speaker 4: are against the run on defense, and Jordan Love has
Speaker 4: not thrown thirty passes in a game. Since Week nine,
Speaker 4: he has averaged twenty three pass attempts over his last
Speaker 4: five games. The Packers just passed the Pittsburgh Steelers to
Speaker 4: become the second run heaviest team in the league, behind
Speaker 4: only the Eagles. Green Bays run the ball in fifty
Speaker 4: one point two percent of their offensive snaps this season,
Speaker 4: So man like, even though twenty passes against the Saints
Speaker 4: might get you two hundred and fifty yards and three touchdowns, Like,
Speaker 4: I'm not going to take the chance on the low volume.
Speaker 4: I'll just start Donald here. I've got QB six.
Speaker 1: Wow Erickson. You know, Fitz says this one is easy
Speaker 1: for him. These guys are back to back an ECR.
Speaker 1: Sam Donald is QB eight, Jordan Love is QB nine.
Speaker 1: How do you see it?
Speaker 2: I think it's a little bit closer because you could
Speaker 2: just see, like what if they decide, hey, let's get
Speaker 2: the passing game going, but just let's have Jordan Love
Speaker 2: cook here and like build some momentum heading into the postseason.
Speaker 2: I mean they're applied team total is the second highest
Speaker 2: among all teams. Like they're gonna steamroll the New Orleans
Speaker 2: Saints a matter of like how they do it. And
Speaker 2: but Fitz points out the important things that matter, like
Speaker 2: it should be through the run game like it should
Speaker 2: be Josh Jacobs like getting three touchdowns, Like that's what
Speaker 2: should happen. So I think the safe play is probably
Speaker 2: to go with Sam Donald because I think you can
Speaker 2: expect a little bit more back and forth action. But
Speaker 2: I think from a ceiling perspective, like what if the
Speaker 2: touchdowns go through the air? I mean, would it be
Speaker 2: surprised if Jordan Love, Yes, he doesn't throw a lot,
Speaker 2: but he throws for four touchdowns. I don't think anyone
Speaker 2: will be surprised by that. Whereas the Seahawks defense, I mean,
Speaker 2: they've looked really good. They've played a lot better, even
Speaker 2: though most of those games have against the Cardinals. So
Speaker 2: I think Donald's like the floor play. But I think
Speaker 2: if you're like a massive underdog this week and you
Speaker 2: buy into the fact that, hey, maybe they do try
Speaker 2: to dial up the pass game more, he wins with efficiency,
Speaker 2: and I think Jordan Love could have a like top
Speaker 2: high performance against a really bad overall Saints defense.
Speaker 1: For our tight end decision, I actually have three names
Speaker 1: in here because they're all kind of clumped together in ECR,
Speaker 1: and I found it really difficult to kind of parse
Speaker 1: through all of them, So I just wanted to kind
Speaker 1: of throw an extra name in here fits daltonkind, cad
Speaker 1: Otten or Kyle Pitts. How are you ranking those three
Speaker 1: this week?
Speaker 4: Man? All right, so I've got I might be willing
Speaker 4: to let Ericson talk me to one more, but right
Speaker 4: now I've got otten highest at tight end thirteen, Kinkaid
Speaker 4: tight end seventeen, Pits tight end eighteen. Like as much
Speaker 4: as I like Michael Pennox Junior, I don't know if
Speaker 4: he's good enough to resurrect Kyle Pitts, So let's just
Speaker 4: leave him out of this. Like Kinkaid came back from
Speaker 4: injury last week and had his highest yardage output of
Speaker 4: the season. It was fifty three yards. Great, you know,
Speaker 4: Like I just there's not been enough cooking with Dalton
Speaker 4: Kincaid in that passing game this season, And like early
Speaker 4: in the season, Kinkaid couldn't get it going. That was
Speaker 4: before the Bills traded for Amari Cooper. That was before
Speaker 4: Keon Coleman was showing a pulse. I just don't know
Speaker 4: if there are enough targets to really make Kincaid worth
Speaker 4: starting over Aughton, who at least had his moments earlier.
Speaker 4: In the season. I know it's the production's tapered off,
Speaker 4: but I'd still play otten here.
Speaker 1: What do you think ericson Kyle Pitts, Dalton Kincaid or
Speaker 1: Kid Oughten.
Speaker 2: Pits his last because Michael Pennix is not a miracle worker,
Speaker 2: so he's last for me. Cad Awen would be second last.
Speaker 2: I don't like the way that the trends have been going.
Speaker 2: His targets, a receptions have all been downs. As Mike
Speaker 2: Evans has come back again, I think that he's like
Speaker 2: the fourth option in the passing game, like running backs
Speaker 2: McMillan Evans, like, those are the guys that they're scheming
Speaker 2: up plays and all, and it's kind of like the
Speaker 2: last man standing in Dallas. Second fewest receptions allowed to
Speaker 2: tight ends this season, so their defense has been pretty
Speaker 2: good at containing tight ends and Kinkaid. I was really
Speaker 2: inspired by his performance last week. Again he led the
Speaker 2: team in receiving air yards. He caught a touchdown but
Speaker 2: it got called back as of a holding call, so
Speaker 2: I think that he's going to catch a touchdown again.
Speaker 2: The Bills can do whatever they want against the Patriots,
Speaker 2: and last week Trey McBride again he should have scored
Speaker 2: a touchdown. He had a monster game catching passes, so
Speaker 2: the Patriots can't stop tight ends. So I like dun
Speaker 2: Kinkaid the most.
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Speaker 1: up with the touchdown Calls contest. This week, Ericson is
Speaker 1: on running backs.
Speaker 2: Travis Etn take Bigsby fumbled again, so I think we're
Speaker 2: going to see more of Travis Etn as the starting
Speaker 2: running back against the Raiders. We know it's an easy
Speaker 2: matchup for him and the Jaguars are live to win
Speaker 2: this game, so I think Etn. I don't think he
Speaker 2: scored since Week two. It's been really it's been a
Speaker 2: long time, so I think he breaks the touchdown drought
Speaker 2: gets the end zone against the Raiders.
Speaker 1: Fits you are on wide receiver.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Garrett Wilson after two big games for DeVante Adams,
Speaker 4: for getting a squeaky wheel game from Garrett Wilson, and
Speaker 4: you know how he was caught on the sidelines last
Speaker 4: week complaining about Aaron Rodgers not throwing the fade to him.
Speaker 4: Not only am I predicting a touchdown for Garrett Wilson,
Speaker 4: I'm predicting he scores on an end zone fade, a
Speaker 4: low ev end zone fade touchdown for Garrett Wilson.
Speaker 1: Nice so Ericson as Travis et and Fitz is Garrett Wilson,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with Trey McBride. Ericson, I believe had
Speaker 1: last week and he talked me into not actually, but
Speaker 1: he almost talked me into betting a three touchdown game
Speaker 1: from Trey McBride. He's been talking about it for a week.
Speaker 3: I've already done it for this week.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you've talked a big game about it. So going
Speaker 1: up against the Panthers, will I will ride that with you?
Speaker 4: Oka say hi to the great Pumpkin for me.
Speaker 1: This is going to be a repeat of Ericson was
Speaker 1: it Week one? Where you predicted Courtland Sutton to score
Speaker 1: three touchdowns like two years ago, and.
Speaker 3: We're like three years too early on the call.
Speaker 1: All right, So we got Travis CTN, Garrett Wilson, and
Speaker 1: Trey McBride. That is our touchdown calls contest for you
Speaker 1: this so we will wrap up there. Best of luck
Speaker 1: to everybody here in Week sixteen. Enjoy the holidays everyone,
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