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Speaker 1: Wow. Wow, Hey everybody, It's Thursday, January second, twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the NFL Fantasy Football Podcast, where we were

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Speaker 1: also Pro Bowl Snubs. It's me and your man m G.

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Speaker 1: Marcus Grand joined by Michael F. Florio and Laqwan Jones.

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Speaker 1: Happy New Year, gentlemen. Flora, you and I have been

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Speaker 1: in the same spot since the calendar rolled over. Lakwan,

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Speaker 1: you and I have not. How did you spend your

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Speaker 1: New Year's Eve?

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Speaker 2: If you don't mind me asking, uh boring, I mean,

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Speaker 2: it was just another day, man. I didn't stay up.

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Speaker 2: I had worked that night for Good Morning Football, so

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Speaker 2: I was out by seven o'clock.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I rolled up yesterday to work at like eight thirty

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Speaker 3: in the morning, and Lakwan was leaving for the day,

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Speaker 3: so I was like, ooh, I'm not even gonna ask

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Speaker 3: how his night went.

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Speaker 1: No, it was a school night for a lot of

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Speaker 1: us because January first, While it was New Year's Day

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Speaker 1: around the world, it was just Wednesday for a lot

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Speaker 1: of us, and we had shows and the like to do.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, it was just kind of a school night.

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Speaker 1: I was in bed by like eleven twenty. The fireworks

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Speaker 1: but they went crazy right at midnight. I was probably

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Speaker 1: was kind of my New Year's Eve. Anyway, we still

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Speaker 1: got stuff to talk about. I know it is week eighteen.

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Speaker 1: I know for most folks, your fantasy season is done,

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Speaker 1: So congratulations to all of you out there who won

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Speaker 1: a Fantasy championship. Better luck next year to the rest

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Speaker 1: of you who did not. But for a lot of folks,

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Speaker 1: I know there's still some daily Fantasy that folks are

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Speaker 1: going to be playing. I know there's some sort of

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Speaker 1: season long awards maybe like total points and that sort

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Speaker 1: of thing for a lot of leagues. So we're gonna

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Speaker 1: kind of dive in to today's show mostly from a

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Speaker 1: daily Fantasy perspective, some good picks, some guys to spend

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Speaker 1: up four guys to avoid that sort of thing, and

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Speaker 1: then we'll have our own DFS lineups for the end

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Speaker 1: of the show. Also some hot takes for twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: five coming up at the end of the show. But

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Speaker 1: want to get started with kind of a little bit

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Speaker 1: of what we learned, and I know that in the

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Speaker 1: offseason We're to spend a lot of time kind of

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Speaker 1: diving into things that happened and kind of spinning that

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Speaker 1: forward to next year. But just kind of a first

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Speaker 1: look at things we're taking away from the twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: four season, and Lakwan, what was something that stuck out

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Speaker 1: to you at least as we kind of first dive

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Speaker 2: So like three years, like, I've had this mindset and

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Speaker 2: like a lot of fantasy managers have the same mindset

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Speaker 2: that Vyum is king, but that isn't always necessarily true.

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Speaker 2: Like volume isn't always going to be king if the

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Speaker 2: situation sucks. So when I look at some of these

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Speaker 2: examples of like wide receivers, man like guys that have

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Speaker 2: points per game. But there's information out there, like a

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Speaker 2: Michael Pittman or a Calvin Ridley, guys that had these

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Speaker 2: Levis and Anthony richardsoning, if they could get on the

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Speaker 2: same page, of course they're going to see a ton

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Speaker 2: of volume. Of course you're going to see over one

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Speaker 2: hundred targets. But these targets aren't valuable. But then you

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Speaker 2: number one top wide receiver prospect, the talent is out

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Speaker 2: Looking at the Cardinals the last two seasons, they're bottom

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Speaker 2: A lot of people don't know that or look at that.

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Speaker 2: They're among the Titans, the Ravens, the Steelers when it

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Speaker 2: So these are things and examples that we have the

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Speaker 1: I mean with the Cardinals being bottom of the table,

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Speaker 1: as you say, I love that you said that. By

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Speaker 1: the way, is Jonathan Gannon going to get sacked at

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Speaker 2: Or the offensive coordinator. Like I know that some of

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Speaker 2: how these wide receivers aren't being held to the high tier.

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Speaker 2: And you can't really blame Kyler Murray. I mean, he's

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Speaker 2: dealt with his injuries and he's only produced one top

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Speaker 2: DeAndre Hopkins twenty twenty is the only one. Everybody else

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Speaker 2: needs to be a change at offensive coordinator. I do

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Speaker 2: blame Kyler Murray.

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Speaker 1: You do.

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Speaker 3: Because I was very high on Marvin Harrison Junior this

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Speaker 3: the only receiver he's really elevated was d hop And

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Speaker 3: I was like, all right, he's got his new d

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Speaker 1: But like you bring up.

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Speaker 3: Christian Kirk and it's like, Okay, Christian Kirk got so

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Speaker 3: much better when he left, Like I want Kyler Murray

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Speaker 3: to be so good, but at like he's in what

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Speaker 3: don't think the Cardinals have taken enough heat this year,

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Speaker 3: Like they were what six and four controlling the division

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Speaker 1: It is like that's bad. It is bad. It is bad.

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Speaker 1: And I think I think to your point, Lakwan, now

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Speaker 1: liked hop elevated Kyler as opposed to the other way around, right,

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Speaker 1: because Hopkins has been good wherever he's been, Right, Obviously,

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Speaker 1: just sort of is who he is at this point.

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Speaker 1: And you know, I think we know, I think this

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Speaker 1: that kind of passed already. But even the idea of

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Speaker 1: at this point. The other point I was really gonna

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Speaker 1: make to what you were saying initially is this Quorter

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Speaker 1: want an alpha in a bad offense versus maybe a

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Speaker 1: like you know, I think I'm looking at it, Missie,

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Speaker 1: do you want to be you would you rather have

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Speaker 1: a T. Higgins? You know, who obviously is the number

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Speaker 1: two there in a good passing offense in Cincinnati, versus say,

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Speaker 1: I'm looking at a bad offense. I don't know Jacobe Myers,

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Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean, I honestly T. Higgins just seems

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Speaker 2: if you make that comparison and Jacoby, but I get it.

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Speaker 2: Sometimes you look at the elik Neighbors like he's another

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Speaker 2: he could just elevate a bad quarterback. Sometimes that happens,

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Speaker 2: but it's a lot of situations that you can't really

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Speaker 3: Neighbors and Thomas make me put a little bit more

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Speaker 1: Yeah, like Thomas balled out with Mac Jones. Yeah yeah, yeah, Well,

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Speaker 1: I mean I think I think you sawt about elite

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Speaker 1: play was really bad. Four quarterbacks all awful, really bad.

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Speaker 1: They're in uh, you know, in New York. But meliite

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Speaker 1: neighbors still found a way to be productive more often

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Speaker 2: I like how I secretly put so much heat on

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Speaker 2: Kyler Murray and the Cardinals right now? Yeah, I mean

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Speaker 1: I don't think. I don't think you were saying anything

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Speaker 1: that we didn't already believe. It is just it's just

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Speaker 1: vocalized a little bit right now, Floria, What was your

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Speaker 1: big takeaway from the early part of this off season.

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Speaker 3: What Brock Bauers and Trey McBride at the latest our

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Speaker 3: second round picks next year. I think with a quarterback

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Speaker 3: George Kittle was sandwiched in there, but it was a

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Speaker 3: it like if Trey McBride caught two or three touchdowns,

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Speaker 3: we're talking about him being the tight end one.

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Speaker 1: So as much as we.

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Speaker 3: Just poop pooed Kyler Murray for wide receivers and stuff,

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Speaker 3: he has been elite at getting the ball to tight ends.

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Speaker 3: Trey McBride was the tight end one last season in

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Speaker 3: points per game with Kyler Murray. He was right behind

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Speaker 1: This year and that.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, Anders, I mean you speak about bad quarterback play.

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Speaker 3: He did it with Gardner, Minshew Aoc and Desmond Ritter.

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Speaker 3: Like I know that the Raiders, I don't know why,

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Speaker 3: after being the front runner to get the first overall

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Speaker 3: of games here and put ourselves at eighth overall.

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Speaker 1: But even so, like they're not.

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Speaker 3: Gonna make the same mistake they did last year, right

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Speaker 3: where they're like, oh, we'll get our guy at eight

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I don't see the quarterback play being this bad. So yeah,

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Speaker 3: I think those to me, move over Kittle, move over Kelsey,

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Speaker 3: these are the new elite tight ends moving forward.

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Speaker 1: To my opinion, I want to believe. I want to

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Speaker 1: hope that the Raiders get better quarterback play next year.

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Speaker 1: So I mean, so, this is but this is my

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Speaker 1: This is not me throwing shade at the Raiders. This

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Speaker 1: which means, you know, barring them trading up, which is

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Speaker 1: not impossible. But bar them trading up neither cam Ward. No,

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Speaker 1: Suregar Sanders is going to be there. The list of

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Speaker 1: My last thought on your point, though, is I definitely

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Speaker 3: I don't think so.

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Speaker 3: Remember, like I know, this is like forever ago, but

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Speaker 2: I'm still faingning first round running backs like I think

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Speaker 1: Have some some kind of options for you as we're

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Speaker 1: to have a shot the playoffs.

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00:20:01,160 --> 00:20:03,959
Speaker 3: And the Steelers might not need anything that, Like if

436
00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:06,359
Speaker 3: the Ravens win the game before that, they can't win

437
00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:06,920
Speaker 3: the division.

438
00:20:07,040 --> 00:20:10,000
Speaker 1: So could get a lot of backups too, Very true,

439
00:20:10,119 --> 00:20:13,360
Speaker 1: very very true. Also though, Florio, you got a guy

440
00:20:13,359 --> 00:20:15,000
Speaker 1: that has a lot to play for as well and

441
00:20:15,040 --> 00:20:16,320
Speaker 1: has a very good matchup this week.

442
00:20:17,280 --> 00:20:21,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, the matchup was what I circled because it's Bucky Irving.

443
00:20:21,600 --> 00:20:24,679
Speaker 3: He's seventy seven hundred, which sounds expensive, but then you

444
00:20:24,720 --> 00:20:27,040
Speaker 3: look at what he's done recently, like the floor is

445
00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:30,680
Speaker 3: super safe, he brings the highest ceiling. He bawled out

446
00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:33,840
Speaker 3: the first time he played the Saints, but now the

447
00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:36,760
Speaker 3: Saints in their last two games have allowed almost three

448
00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:39,760
Speaker 3: hundred rushing yards and three touchdowns to running backs. So,

449
00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:43,000
Speaker 3: and like you said, there's a plenty of incentive there

450
00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:45,919
Speaker 3: because the Bucks, they are in the best situation you

451
00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:47,920
Speaker 3: want a team to be in. This week, you win

452
00:20:48,040 --> 00:20:51,080
Speaker 3: and you're in like they know everything is on the

453
00:20:51,119 --> 00:20:53,000
Speaker 3: line for them this week. They're not gonna get cute

454
00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:55,440
Speaker 3: and pull their starters or something like that. And something

455
00:20:55,480 --> 00:20:57,280
Speaker 3: that I talked about the Bucks a few weeks ago.

456
00:20:57,560 --> 00:20:59,280
Speaker 3: They got a little bit of the Lions in them

457
00:20:59,320 --> 00:21:02,120
Speaker 3: in this sense of like they could be up four scores,

458
00:21:02,359 --> 00:21:04,119
Speaker 3: they're still throwing the ball around.

459
00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:05,000
Speaker 1: The park and stuff.

460
00:21:05,080 --> 00:21:07,480
Speaker 3: So and if this is the case this week, I

461
00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:09,439
Speaker 3: expect it to be a lot of Bucky even grinding

462
00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:09,920
Speaker 3: out the clock.

463
00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:10,840
Speaker 1: So yeah, he was.

464
00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:14,320
Speaker 3: I also tried to get Baker and Mike Evans in

465
00:21:14,359 --> 00:21:16,679
Speaker 3: They're a little bit more pricier, but Bucky was the

466
00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:19,960
Speaker 3: first name that I selected outside of I want.

467
00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:20,399
Speaker 1: It to be different.

468
00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:23,000
Speaker 3: But the name that you have next Marcus is a

469
00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:24,399
Speaker 3: slam dunkyst Oh.

470
00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:26,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, that was a first one by where like

471
00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:27,960
Speaker 1: by far that I was gonna go after. And that's

472
00:21:28,280 --> 00:21:32,600
Speaker 1: Jean Robinson. The Falcons obviously they need the Bucks to lose.

473
00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:34,399
Speaker 1: They have to win. They need the Bucks to lose

474
00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:36,560
Speaker 1: in order to have a shot at the division title.

475
00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:38,879
Speaker 1: But they play at the same time. They're in the

476
00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:42,600
Speaker 1: early slate of games on Sunday. But Jean Robinson's been

477
00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:46,000
Speaker 1: fantastic over the back part of the season. Most of

478
00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:48,120
Speaker 1: the season, I shouldn't say back par season, but most

479
00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:49,919
Speaker 1: of the season, but especially the last few weeks, has

480
00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:53,040
Speaker 1: really I think gone to another level. He's gonna be

481
00:21:53,040 --> 00:21:54,600
Speaker 1: one of those guys that when we talk next year,

482
00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:56,399
Speaker 1: he's gonna be an easy first round pick for a

483
00:21:56,400 --> 00:22:00,359
Speaker 1: lot of people, but also a really good matchup coming

484
00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:03,119
Speaker 1: up this week. He's gonna get plenty of opportunity to

485
00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:06,960
Speaker 1: get the football and has a really good shot to

486
00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:09,119
Speaker 1: go out and put up a really good number against

487
00:22:09,119 --> 00:22:11,679
Speaker 1: the Carolina Panthers, whose run defense has been bad all

488
00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:14,199
Speaker 1: year long has not gotten any better. So even at

489
00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:17,160
Speaker 1: eighty five hundred, it is worth making space for him

490
00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:19,480
Speaker 1: in your lineup. Feels like the guy you start with

491
00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:22,000
Speaker 1: and then you build around after that to try and

492
00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:23,560
Speaker 1: make sure you can build a pretty good line of

493
00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:28,280
Speaker 1: Jeon Robinson feels like a slam dunk value option. Lakwan,

494
00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:31,000
Speaker 1: who's your your value option? Oh?

495
00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:32,440
Speaker 2: I mean, look, we're going to stay in the same

496
00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:34,720
Speaker 2: game that you just left. I mean, Michael Pennix Junior.

497
00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:36,760
Speaker 2: This is a great value play, a fifty four under.

498
00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:38,879
Speaker 2: I mean, Pennis look good these last two games and

499
00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:42,199
Speaker 2: this offense, and we're seeing Zach Robinson, the offensive coordinator,

500
00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:44,760
Speaker 2: kind of crack open that playbook as the weeks have

501
00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:46,920
Speaker 2: gone on, and honestly, it looks like he can handle

502
00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:49,480
Speaker 2: business within the division, being that the Falcons are four

503
00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:52,640
Speaker 2: and one, averaging damn there thirty points per game against them.

504
00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:54,960
Speaker 2: So we're looking at this offense and how Pennix has

505
00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:56,960
Speaker 2: looked these last two games. You might look at the

506
00:22:57,000 --> 00:22:59,600
Speaker 2: score or the box score and try to compare to

507
00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:01,760
Speaker 2: last year games with Kirk Cousins are kind of similar,

508
00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:04,159
Speaker 2: but you're getting a lot more out of Michael Pennis.

509
00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:06,880
Speaker 2: You're punting the ball less, you're getting more yards per play,

510
00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:09,680
Speaker 2: you're getting more plays per drive, you're getting more red

511
00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:13,200
Speaker 2: zone drives and opportunities to score. So with this Panthers defense,

512
00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:15,879
Speaker 2: they've been very generous to quarterbacks all season long, and

513
00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:18,360
Speaker 2: Pennix has shown that he can run this offense, get

514
00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:20,480
Speaker 2: out of the pocket, get out of trouble, unlike Kirk

515
00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:23,119
Speaker 2: Cousins playing when saying in mud how he's running. But

516
00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:25,760
Speaker 2: more so, this offense just looks like they're able to

517
00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:28,200
Speaker 2: score way more points. So this puts Pennis in the

518
00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:31,000
Speaker 2: perfect position and situation that have the opportunity to put

519
00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:31,639
Speaker 2: up big points.

520
00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:34,120
Speaker 1: I do think Pennis is going to be an interesting

521
00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:38,400
Speaker 1: talking point this offseason where we're drafting him because he's

522
00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:40,880
Speaker 1: played well in a couple of starts, maybe not necessarily

523
00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:44,159
Speaker 1: eye popping numbers, but you got to be happy with

524
00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:45,520
Speaker 1: kind of what you've seen out of him. So I'm

525
00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:48,639
Speaker 1: curious where people are gonna feel comfortable taking him in

526
00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:52,320
Speaker 1: drafts next year. For sure, Florio, you got a running

527
00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:55,000
Speaker 1: back who's starter is not likely to see the field

528
00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:55,400
Speaker 1: this week.

529
00:23:56,359 --> 00:23:59,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, they've already. They've ruled it's Michael Carter. They have

530
00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:03,560
Speaker 3: ruled out both Benson and James Connor, I believe already.

531
00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:06,480
Speaker 3: So it's gonna be the Michael Carter Show, which is

532
00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:08,800
Speaker 3: crazy because he's only played two games and it's the

533
00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:12,000
Speaker 3: last two weeks. But hey, i mean, if he's got,

534
00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:15,280
Speaker 3: like last week, thirteen carries in those two games, he

535
00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:18,560
Speaker 3: has seven targets, so we know he could he's caught

536
00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:20,800
Speaker 3: all of them as well, so he's more of a

537
00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:23,679
Speaker 3: floor play. But the forty nine ers we've seen and

538
00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:25,320
Speaker 3: this is something that you spoke about a lot in

539
00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:28,040
Speaker 3: the later part of the season, Marcus, like their run

540
00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:30,600
Speaker 3: defense wasn't the same as it has been in past

541
00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:35,240
Speaker 3: years and earlier on in the year, and Michael Carter like,

542
00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:37,639
Speaker 3: I'm going to talk about it again, and like you

543
00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:40,040
Speaker 3: want to target people who have something to play for

544
00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:43,239
Speaker 3: this week, and I know the Cardinals are eliminated, but

545
00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:46,000
Speaker 3: Michael Carter's playing, like again, he only played the last

546
00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:48,720
Speaker 3: two weeks this season. He is playing for his next contract,

547
00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:51,359
Speaker 3: is the next job. He wants to put good stuff

548
00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:55,240
Speaker 3: out there on tape. So at forty seven hundred, I

549
00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:56,960
Speaker 3: was like, yeah, you know what, I'll take the safe

550
00:24:56,960 --> 00:24:58,639
Speaker 3: floor with the chance of him hitting a little bit

551
00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:00,760
Speaker 3: more because it's a game with two teams that are

552
00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:03,720
Speaker 3: out of it, so he's going to be trying. Maybe

553
00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:05,680
Speaker 3: the forty nine ers though rest one of their defensive

554
00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:06,920
Speaker 3: starters or something like that.

555
00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:07,639
Speaker 1: So yeah, I.

556
00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:10,600
Speaker 3: Saw him at that price and I was like, all right, yeah,

557
00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:11,760
Speaker 3: I'll take the shot on him.

558
00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:14,400
Speaker 1: Yeah. It's been an interesting kind of a side note

559
00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:16,880
Speaker 1: to this is that a few years ago, Michael Carter

560
00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:19,440
Speaker 1: Javonte Williams coming out of North Carolina about the same time.

561
00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:21,320
Speaker 1: It was like, man, both these guys seem set up

562
00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:24,680
Speaker 1: for huge success, and neither one of them have really

563
00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:27,719
Speaker 1: reached that. Javonte has been a little bit better, but

564
00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:29,600
Speaker 1: even he has sort of had to deal with between

565
00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:31,640
Speaker 1: injuries and now a coach that doesn't want to seem

566
00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:34,679
Speaker 1: to use him. Carter's always just been stuck behind guys.

567
00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:36,439
Speaker 1: It just never quite turned out the way that I

568
00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:39,000
Speaker 1: thought it would when they were both coming out of college.

569
00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:42,240
Speaker 1: For me, my value pick at fifty six hundred is

570
00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:45,160
Speaker 1: going to be Kenneth gain Well, because we know Saquon

571
00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:48,760
Speaker 1: is not going to play, so we know it's gonna

572
00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:50,800
Speaker 1: be Kenneth gain while getting a whole lot of opportunity,

573
00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:54,880
Speaker 1: good matchup against a Giants run defense that's been bad

574
00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:57,840
Speaker 1: when they've played all their guys. You know, curious to

575
00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:00,159
Speaker 1: see how much of their starters play this week, or

576
00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:03,000
Speaker 1: a team that really has nothing to play for in anything.

577
00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:05,840
Speaker 1: You know, if you are the front office, you would

578
00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:07,879
Speaker 1: prefer to lose this game to try to get you

579
00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:10,479
Speaker 1: a little bit closer to that number one spot in

580
00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:14,040
Speaker 1: the draft. So you know, I would imagine their starters

581
00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:15,879
Speaker 1: begin the game, but whether or not they finish the

582
00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:17,800
Speaker 1: game is a different situation. But I do see a

583
00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:21,080
Speaker 1: good workload for Kenneth Gaine, while an opportunity to put

584
00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:23,760
Speaker 1: up some good numbers with Saquon sitting this one out

585
00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:28,639
Speaker 1: in the regular season finale. Meanwhile, red flags Lakwan now

586
00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:31,359
Speaker 1: this one, I see the name, you would know better

587
00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:33,640
Speaker 1: than the rest of us how this might potentially turn out.

588
00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:36,040
Speaker 1: But still kind of surprised me that you put this

589
00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:36,480
Speaker 1: guy here.

590
00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:38,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, red flag. If you're going to be a billion

591
00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:40,840
Speaker 2: your lineups with Kira Williams in there in fresh of all,

592
00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:42,360
Speaker 2: I'm going to break the rules oral quick, A huge

593
00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:44,520
Speaker 2: red flag on the NFL. How does he not get

594
00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:45,080
Speaker 2: the Pro Bowl?

595
00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:45,280
Speaker 1: Bull?

596
00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:47,960
Speaker 2: Like, how is Kira Williams not in the Pro Bowl

597
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:50,920
Speaker 2: but Josh Jacobs is when we're looking at almost thirteen

598
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:53,719
Speaker 2: hundred yards, fourteen touchdowns with three hundred and fifty touches

599
00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:56,320
Speaker 2: Like Kyra Willis has been amazing this season, I mean

600
00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:59,600
Speaker 2: seven games with consecutive touchdowns at least one Like, how

601
00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:00,560
Speaker 2: does he not get in?

602
00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:00,679
Speaker 1: So?

603
00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:02,600
Speaker 2: Huge red flag on the NFL for that, man, I'm

604
00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:05,000
Speaker 2: really upset about that. But more so, he could be

605
00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:07,199
Speaker 2: very limited in this game. There's nothing really for him

606
00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:10,080
Speaker 2: to play for. He could possibly be inactive. But McVeigh

607
00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:12,520
Speaker 2: talked about it earlier to see other earlier this week,

608
00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:15,439
Speaker 2: his excitement to see Blake Korm get the opportunity, So

609
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:18,040
Speaker 2: don't try to fit him into your lineup with the

610
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:19,720
Speaker 2: matchup being great for him On the ground and for

611
00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:22,800
Speaker 2: him to pad these numbers even more even though not

612
00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:24,320
Speaker 2: going to the Pro Bowl. But there could be a

613
00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:26,840
Speaker 2: possibility that he could have a very limited role.

614
00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:30,600
Speaker 1: So your point about the Pro Bowl here's so much

615
00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:33,360
Speaker 1: and I never get it worked up about Pro Bowl snubs,

616
00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:35,280
Speaker 1: is that by the time you get to the game,

617
00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:37,000
Speaker 1: about half the league ends of getting named to the

618
00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:37,480
Speaker 1: Pro Bowl.

619
00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:39,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it works out.

620
00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:41,199
Speaker 3: He could be like the Ravens have nine and the

621
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:42,000
Speaker 3: Bills have two.

622
00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:46,360
Speaker 1: I mean, just like it's like, you know, between whoever's

623
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:48,600
Speaker 1: going to the Super Bowl, obviously those players aren't gonna

624
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:51,040
Speaker 1: be there. You're gonna have guys who were hurt, guys

625
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:55,000
Speaker 1: who just would rather opt out, like you know, eventually everybody.

626
00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:58,080
Speaker 1: That's how you end up with Pro Bowl quarterback Tyler Huntley.

627
00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:04,920
Speaker 1: Like that's how it happens, you know, So Tyler Tyron Taylor.

628
00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:08,040
Speaker 1: It is for who's your red flag for the week?

629
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:12,280
Speaker 3: Uh, anyone not on a team playing for anything, Like

630
00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:15,080
Speaker 3: like I had Josh Allen on Fantasy Lovey yesterday because

631
00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:16,000
Speaker 3: he's gonna start.

632
00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:17,000
Speaker 1: But that's it.

633
00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:19,080
Speaker 3: He's gonna play a handful of snaps, they said, and

634
00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:22,320
Speaker 3: that's it. I expect maybe James cooking that same game,

635
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:25,439
Speaker 3: he's like nineteen yards away from a thousand. Maybe they

636
00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:28,400
Speaker 3: let him get that and then pull him. The Patriots

637
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:31,119
Speaker 3: are already kind of toying with the idea of sitting

638
00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:34,399
Speaker 3: Drake Maye to quote unquote protect him, aka protect the

639
00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:35,280
Speaker 3: number one pick.

640
00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:37,520
Speaker 1: So like stuff like that.

641
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:40,600
Speaker 3: Even on primarily it's on teams that are still going

642
00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:43,040
Speaker 3: to the playoffs that have already clinched their playoff spot

643
00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:45,640
Speaker 3: because they're gonna definitely sit all of their guys. But

644
00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:49,000
Speaker 3: like teams that are out of it, we see a

645
00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:50,720
Speaker 3: lot of the times in Week eighteen they want to

646
00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:52,959
Speaker 3: give their younger guys a shot. See what they have

647
00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:56,720
Speaker 3: put some stuff on films. So for me, when when

648
00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:59,120
Speaker 3: we go over our DFS lineups and I think your

649
00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:02,200
Speaker 3: guys are very similar, I targeted teams that are still

650
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:04,920
Speaker 3: fighting for their playoff lives because those are the only

651
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:08,320
Speaker 3: teams treating Week eighteen like a regular week, like one

652
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:10,360
Speaker 3: night you were going out there and you need to win.

653
00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:14,120
Speaker 3: So that anyone not on one of those teams is

654
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:16,240
Speaker 3: not someone I'm really all that excited to include in

655
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:16,760
Speaker 3: my lineup.

656
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:18,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I think that, I think that's very true.

657
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:21,280
Speaker 1: Especially if you're playing DFS this week. You just want

658
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:23,920
Speaker 1: guys that you feel like has a good they have

659
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:26,560
Speaker 1: a good shot to play all four quarters or at least,

660
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:29,200
Speaker 1: you know, three plus quarters of their game to give

661
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:32,640
Speaker 1: you a decent number similar to your thought. Though, I

662
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:35,680
Speaker 1: think Nico Collins is one that I would tend to

663
00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:39,800
Speaker 1: shy away from just because he's still priced really high.

664
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Speaker 1: I mean, he's considered obviously, like the way he's performed

665
00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:46,280
Speaker 1: this year, is one of the higher upper echelon wide

666
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:49,920
Speaker 1: receivers at seventy eight hundred, going against a Titans defense

667
00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:53,720
Speaker 1: that's been tough on wide receivers all year long. In

668
00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:56,080
Speaker 1: a situation where the Texans say they're going to play

669
00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:59,600
Speaker 1: their starters, but for how long? You know, how long

670
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:02,479
Speaker 1: are we are they going to see CJ. Stroud and

671
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:06,120
Speaker 1: Joe Mixon and Nico Collins and those guys. Because the

672
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:08,800
Speaker 1: Texans are locked into a playoff spot. They are the

673
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:12,440
Speaker 1: four seed pretty much regardless. Nothing can change that. So

674
00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:15,920
Speaker 1: at some point there's nothing to gain by having your

675
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:18,200
Speaker 1: guys in there the whole time. So it's a combination

676
00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:20,360
Speaker 1: of not expecting to see them for a full game.

677
00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:23,400
Speaker 1: Also the fact that you know the matchup's not good.

678
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:24,920
Speaker 1: I think that's a way to get away from Nico

679
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:28,240
Speaker 1: Collins in your daily lineups. This week, I'm gonna take

680
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:29,800
Speaker 1: a quick break come back. We're gonna give you our

681
00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:34,160
Speaker 1: full DFS lineups four week eighteen, plus some hot takes

682
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:36,400
Speaker 1: for twenty twenty five. Probably won't be the last time

683
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:38,280
Speaker 1: we do hot takes for twenty twenty five. That's coming

684
00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:45,680
Speaker 1: up next on the NFL Fantasy Football Podcast. So we

685
00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:49,240
Speaker 1: gave us, We gave you rather some your guys to

686
00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:52,200
Speaker 1: drop the bag on, some values, some guys to avoid.

687
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:54,680
Speaker 1: Now we just put together and put together a full

688
00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:58,480
Speaker 1: daily lineup for folks out there who are still tinkering

689
00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:00,840
Speaker 1: around that sort of thing. In a week eighteen, I mean, Lacon,

690
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:02,479
Speaker 1: take us through your lineup. Please.

691
00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:05,000
Speaker 2: Oh man, I love my lineup actually, Like I was

692
00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:07,360
Speaker 2: like looking at this like a man, I haven't built

693
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:09,560
Speaker 2: such a strong lineup in a very long time. But

694
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:11,960
Speaker 2: at the quarterback position, I'm going bow Knicks. He hasn't

695
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:14,360
Speaker 2: disappointed me in the last couple of weeks, and he's

696
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:16,960
Speaker 2: just been playing great football. And then you dropped the

697
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:19,520
Speaker 2: bag on Vijon for the reasons that you explained earlier.

698
00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:22,120
Speaker 2: You already know that these last couple of weeks, he's

699
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:25,000
Speaker 2: just been phenomenal through the Fantasy playoffs, so why not

700
00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:27,320
Speaker 2: top it off with a great season. Kenny Gang, Well,

701
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:29,320
Speaker 2: Kenny g knows how to play a tune when he's

702
00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 2: given opportunities. The matchup is just way too juicy. Such

703
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:35,040
Speaker 2: a value play too. Where he's at Marvin Mims as

704
00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:37,320
Speaker 2: my number one wide receiver that I just chose. I

705
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:39,440
Speaker 2: had to smash him in there with that connection with

706
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:42,080
Speaker 2: bow Knicks, just based on the connection they've had these

707
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:45,200
Speaker 2: last couple of weeks. Sean Payton knows who Marvin Mims him, Like,

708
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:47,280
Speaker 2: it's incredible that he knows who this guy is.

709
00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:50,840
Speaker 1: Did he just find out? Did you just find out?

710
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:54,040
Speaker 2: Feels like that like Jingle all the way when Jamie

711
00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:56,240
Speaker 2: goes he knows my name, like Floria, you know what

712
00:31:56,320 --> 00:32:00,000
Speaker 2: I'm talking about, Like it's crazy that Marvin Min's has

713
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:02,880
Speaker 2: been showing up on that people. But JSN, we already

714
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:05,720
Speaker 2: know great value there where he's at. And then Jordan

715
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:09,000
Speaker 2: Addison those three three wide receivers. I love that combo there.

716
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:11,760
Speaker 2: And then I have John Newsmith at the tight end position.

717
00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:15,120
Speaker 2: Self explanatory. It's starting forget for the rest of the season.

718
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:17,720
Speaker 2: He's probably gonna be scoring so many touchdowns if the

719
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:20,560
Speaker 2: Dolphins make the playoffs. Jalen Coker man, he's just showing

720
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:23,760
Speaker 2: up since injury. He's just shown up in flash create

721
00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:26,600
Speaker 2: great connection with Bryce Young making the big plays when

722
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:28,560
Speaker 2: he's getting the opportunity. And then I go with the

723
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:31,480
Speaker 2: Jaguars defense. The last four games, they've a lot less

724
00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:34,040
Speaker 2: than eighteen points per game. I don't know why they're

725
00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:35,840
Speaker 2: showing up and showing out. I don't know why they're

726
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:38,080
Speaker 2: taking the ball away two sacks per game in the

727
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:40,480
Speaker 2: last four games, like they're getting at their quarterback. I

728
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:42,440
Speaker 2: don't know how they're showing up, but they're showing up

729
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:45,360
Speaker 2: and showing out. So that's my dff DFS lineup that

730
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:46,320
Speaker 2: I think is pretty strong.

731
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:48,920
Speaker 1: I do love you going John Smith though there right Like,

732
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:51,280
Speaker 1: if he's gonna punish me, he's gonna punish me. I

733
00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:53,160
Speaker 1: should at least get some benefit out of it. So

734
00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:58,160
Speaker 1: I guess I respect the hustle for sure. Floria, what's

735
00:32:58,200 --> 00:32:59,200
Speaker 1: your lineup look like?

736
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Speaker 3: I realized that my lineup is kind of like a

737
00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:05,160
Speaker 3: combination of the two of your guys, but I went

738
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:08,600
Speaker 3: with Sam Darnold at quarterback, because you guys have watched

739
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:11,160
Speaker 3: the Lions defense as of late, and y'all know their

740
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:14,080
Speaker 3: offense is awesome. So to win against the Lions you

741
00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:16,480
Speaker 3: have to outrun them in a track meet. I want

742
00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:18,720
Speaker 3: that in my lineup. I've already spoke about Bucky Irving

743
00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:23,040
Speaker 3: and Michael Carter at my running backs. Jefferson was really expensive,

744
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:26,040
Speaker 3: but I went with Jordan Addison to complete that stack there,

745
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:29,120
Speaker 3: which Addison's been bawling out as of late, and I

746
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:32,240
Speaker 3: don't think he gets enough credit. Jalen McMillan has been

747
00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:34,960
Speaker 3: awesome as of late, sixteen Fantasy points per game in

748
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:39,320
Speaker 3: the last month, six touchdowns in those four games. Courtland

749
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:43,520
Speaker 3: Sutton because again it's a game where the Broncos need

750
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:45,480
Speaker 3: to win. The Chiefs are going to be sitting a

751
00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:48,720
Speaker 3: lot of their guys. I have Sam Laporta the opposite

752
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:52,280
Speaker 3: of my QB wide receiver stack because we talked about

753
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:55,200
Speaker 3: this on Fantasy Live yesterday. In the last like half

754
00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:58,120
Speaker 3: of the season, Sam Laporter is giving you Sam Laporter

755
00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:00,640
Speaker 3: type numbers again, so what I think would be a

756
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:01,520
Speaker 3: high scoring game.

757
00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:03,479
Speaker 1: I went there. I got Blake Corman.

758
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:06,640
Speaker 3: I was surprised you did not LQ rumors that he

759
00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:09,600
Speaker 3: is going to get a lot of volume to really

760
00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:12,400
Speaker 3: showcase what he can be. He really hasn't had that

761
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:16,440
Speaker 3: opportunity yet this year. And then I went with Seattle

762
00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:19,920
Speaker 3: because Jimmy G Man like it's gonna be Jimmy G

763
00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:23,239
Speaker 3: the whole game. He's rocking the gray hair and all that.

764
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:25,520
Speaker 3: I'm like, all right, yeah, I'll get the Seahawks for

765
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:28,319
Speaker 3: super cheap because everyone it's priced as if the RAMS

766
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:29,880
Speaker 3: starters are playing, but we all know they're not.

767
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:35,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I trust me the text chain I have.

768
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:38,920
Speaker 1: I'm sure if Jimmy G starts playing like Jimmy garoppolo,

769
00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 1: it will be lighting up with people saying, you know,

770
00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:43,879
Speaker 1: it'll be like the It'll be the Leonardo DiCaprio pointing

771
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:45,520
Speaker 1: at the screen meme like yeah, I know that, I

772
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:47,319
Speaker 1: know that guy. I've seen that guy.

773
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:50,120
Speaker 3: He took shots at you guys, so you guys got

774
00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:51,920
Speaker 3: to take shots back, Like I mean, like.

775
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:54,880
Speaker 1: With his brother like out here texting or ig and

776
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:58,360
Speaker 1: jokes and stuff about Kyle Shanahan. It's like, bro, you

777
00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:00,640
Speaker 1: you might want to keep quiet, want to pipe down,

778
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:02,680
Speaker 1: They want to stick this out. You might want you

779
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:06,160
Speaker 1: might just want to sit this one out. Bro for sure. Well,

780
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:09,000
Speaker 1: as you mentioned Florio, your lineup kind of a mishmash

781
00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:11,359
Speaker 1: of what the Lakwan and I put together. I went

782
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:15,879
Speaker 1: Sam Darnold at the quarterback spot, Jon Robinson, I mentioned

783
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:17,840
Speaker 1: the guy to pay up for, so I actually started

784
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:20,279
Speaker 1: with Robinson there and trying of worked around that. But but

785
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:22,960
Speaker 1: Jon Robinson for sure. Against the Panthers I wanted. I

786
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:26,919
Speaker 1: took Isaac Garrindo because look, he's gonna get a lot

787
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:29,960
Speaker 1: of opportunity to close this thing out. They got Josh

788
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:32,399
Speaker 1: Dobbs starting at quarterback with no brock Perty. I can't

789
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:34,359
Speaker 1: imagine they're gonna let Josh Dobbs throw the ball a

790
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:36,040
Speaker 1: ton of time, so it could be a run heavy

791
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:38,920
Speaker 1: game plan for the forty nine ers against a not

792
00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:42,680
Speaker 1: so great Cardinals run defense. Went with Jordan Addison to

793
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:45,960
Speaker 1: complete the stack. Also to Calvin Ridley, who has been

794
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:48,880
Speaker 1: a little bit better with Mason Rudolph than I anticipated,

795
00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:51,680
Speaker 1: and again sort of with Houston. I know defensively they've

796
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:53,600
Speaker 1: been pretty good, but I don't know how much they're

797
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:55,560
Speaker 1: gonna play their guys coming up this week, and so

798
00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:57,839
Speaker 1: I do think that the Titans want to finish strong.

799
00:35:57,840 --> 00:35:59,439
Speaker 1: We'll try to want to try to finish with a win.

800
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:03,200
Speaker 1: I like Calvin Ridley. Against the Texans, I took Jayleen McMillan.

801
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:05,560
Speaker 1: I sort of went with both Addison and McMillan because

802
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:08,480
Speaker 1: I wasn't sure who I wanted at quarterback initially, but

803
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:11,520
Speaker 1: I knew I wanted to stack a wide receiver with

804
00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:13,359
Speaker 1: the quarterback. But I also didn't necessarily want to pay

805
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:16,040
Speaker 1: up for the wide receiver ones in Minnesota and Tampa.

806
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:18,400
Speaker 1: It ended up going. I ended up with the Darnold

807
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:21,920
Speaker 1: Addison stack. But I took McMillan nonetheless, because he's been

808
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 1: playing some really good football in a game again that

809
00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:26,640
Speaker 1: the Bucks have to have coming up this week. Took

810
00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:28,960
Speaker 1: Mike Gasiki. I just didn't love any of the tight

811
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:32,400
Speaker 1: end options either. They were sort of higher priced guys

812
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:34,920
Speaker 1: in bad matchups. They were guys that I didn't think

813
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:37,680
Speaker 1: we're going to play the majority of the snaps. I

814
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:40,040
Speaker 1: just didn't really love the situation. It's not a bad

815
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:43,759
Speaker 1: matchup for Gasiki against Pittsburgh. The Bengals are likely to

816
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:46,560
Speaker 1: play their guys for the entirety of four quarters, and

817
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:48,319
Speaker 1: you know, maybe he sneaks one into the end zone

818
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:50,239
Speaker 1: and does it really awful gritty, and I end up

819
00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:53,399
Speaker 1: feeling okay about it. My flex option, I went with

820
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:56,880
Speaker 1: the Kenneth Gainwell and mentioned him expected to get the

821
00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:59,360
Speaker 1: majority of the work with no Saquon Barklay, and I

822
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:01,520
Speaker 1: finished it up. I know, I said the Texans probably

823
00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:04,120
Speaker 1: wouldn't play their guys the whole time, but also the

824
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:06,120
Speaker 1: Titans still give up a lot of sacks and Mason

825
00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:08,240
Speaker 1: Rudolph might throw it to the other team once or twice,

826
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:11,000
Speaker 1: So I still feel okay with taking the Texans defense

827
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:14,520
Speaker 1: against the Tennessee Titans this week. So there you go.

828
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:17,560
Speaker 1: Those are our lineups. You know, unless you record this

829
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:20,480
Speaker 1: and are like tracking this by hand, this is probably

830
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:22,440
Speaker 1: the last we're gonna speak of these on this show.

831
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:28,560
Speaker 1: So all right, as exactly as we finish out this show,

832
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:32,319
Speaker 1: time to start our look aheads for twenty twenty five.

833
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:34,279
Speaker 1: Will certainly not be the last time that we do this,

834
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:35,880
Speaker 1: but figure we might as well started off with some

835
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:38,960
Speaker 1: hot takes. So what are things, Laqua, that we are

836
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:42,320
Speaker 1: going to be talking about on this very podcast about

837
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:43,400
Speaker 1: a year from now?

838
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:47,320
Speaker 2: Cale Williams being the steel of the draft man, and look, honestly,

839
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:49,960
Speaker 2: we look at his body at work this entire season.

840
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:53,839
Speaker 2: There's been sixteen games that I've said, Wow, that was impressive. Wow,

841
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:55,920
Speaker 2: how did he get that off? And like, man, the

842
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:59,440
Speaker 2: Bears have found their franchise quarterback. But it's like, overall,

843
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:03,480
Speaker 2: despite being sacked sixty seven times, which is insane, only

844
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:06,240
Speaker 2: eleven turnovers and he had nine games without an interception,

845
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:09,200
Speaker 2: So we know Cale Williams can play on an NFL level,

846
00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:11,839
Speaker 2: it's just the issues around him. So if the head

847
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:14,600
Speaker 2: coaching search goes on and they bring in an offensive mind,

848
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:18,399
Speaker 2: big Ben Johnson could be in mind. Cliff Kingsbury wants

849
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:21,000
Speaker 2: a second shot at becoming a head coach. I think

850
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:23,239
Speaker 2: that there is going to be opportunity to jump on

851
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:26,160
Speaker 2: Caleb Willimans very early in drafts and he's going to

852
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:28,360
Speaker 2: be a huge deal because he's still finished as a

853
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:30,640
Speaker 2: top fifteen quarterback. Like I don't know how he did it,

854
00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:32,520
Speaker 2: but he did it. So that just shows that there's

855
00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:34,920
Speaker 2: still some type of opportunity for him to go out

856
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:36,719
Speaker 2: there and put up big points if we get the

857
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:39,239
Speaker 2: right offensive staff out there to get him to be

858
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:40,640
Speaker 2: unlocking that potential.

859
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:43,279
Speaker 1: I don't disagree with that at all. I feel like

860
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:45,680
Speaker 1: he's going to be a bigger steal in like home

861
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:50,080
Speaker 1: leagues than he will be like with the nutcases like us,

862
00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:52,880
Speaker 1: we're going to be drafting in like March and stuff

863
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:54,799
Speaker 1: like that. I think a lot of people are gonna

864
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:56,560
Speaker 1: be like, yeah, I like Caleb Williams like, but I

865
00:38:56,560 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 1: think in home leagues, with people who aren't insane like

866
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:00,879
Speaker 1: the rest of them, they're going to look at Kale

867
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:02,719
Speaker 1: and be like, honestee, the big deal, and like he's

868
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:05,040
Speaker 1: gonna fall. And so I think in those leagues he's

869
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:09,439
Speaker 1: absolutely gonna be a steal for sure. Florio your your

870
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:12,799
Speaker 1: hot take circles around another rookie quarterback from this year.

871
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:16,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, you might have heard me already talk him up,

872
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:20,640
Speaker 3: but Drake May. I am a huge Drake May supporter.

873
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:21,680
Speaker 1: And I'll be honest.

874
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:24,520
Speaker 3: Coming out of college, I was like, he's got a

875
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:28,320
Speaker 3: lot of potential, but I want to see it translate

876
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:30,680
Speaker 3: a little bit because where he went to.

877
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:31,480
Speaker 1: School and all that.

878
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:34,360
Speaker 3: And I'm telling you, within like three games of watching

879
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:36,600
Speaker 3: him play, I was like, I am one hundred percent sold.

880
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:38,560
Speaker 1: And I keep saying it. Don't look at the box

881
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:39,800
Speaker 1: scores like look.

882
00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:43,160
Speaker 3: You got eight months before we have to draft for

883
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:46,040
Speaker 3: you non sicicos and stuff. Just go watch some of

884
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:51,359
Speaker 3: Drake May's games like strong Arm is Mobile Playmaker. And

885
00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:54,000
Speaker 3: one of the things the Patriots spoke about was they

886
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:56,880
Speaker 3: asked him not to run because they're not competing for

887
00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:58,480
Speaker 3: anything this year, and they were like, if we were

888
00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:00,799
Speaker 3: in the hunt, he'd be running a whole lot more,

889
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:04,040
Speaker 3: which is awesome for fantasy. And then on top of it,

890
00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:06,640
Speaker 3: he's doing it with probably the worst O line in

891
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:10,040
Speaker 3: weapons in the NFL. And not only do the Patriots

892
00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:11,880
Speaker 3: have the first pick, and I said, they're probably gonna

893
00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:13,640
Speaker 3: sell it off, they have all of their picks, they

894
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:15,200
Speaker 3: have the most cap space, and.

895
00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:17,520
Speaker 1: Unlike quarterback, there are good wide.

896
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:20,800
Speaker 3: Receivers out there this year. There's t Higgins, Keenan, Amari Cooper,

897
00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:23,680
Speaker 3: Chris Godwin, d Hop Marquis Brown.

898
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:25,000
Speaker 1: And then the list gets a little bit dinner.

899
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:28,960
Speaker 3: But like you can add competent has catchers, you add

900
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:31,520
Speaker 3: a couple of old linemen and then maybe a change

901
00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:33,400
Speaker 3: at play caller, and I think Drake May could be

902
00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:35,880
Speaker 3: like he's not going to be in that elite tier

903
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:41,200
Speaker 3: with like Alan Lamar, Jayden Daniels, Joe Burrow.

904
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:44,279
Speaker 1: I will say Joe Bowers combined two players.

905
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:46,919
Speaker 3: But I think in that secondary tier that's where Drake

906
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:48,680
Speaker 3: May will finish.

907
00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:50,520
Speaker 1: Who would you rather have next year, Drake May or

908
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:54,840
Speaker 1: bo Nix? Drake May for me? Okay, Bownicks for me?

909
00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:57,920
Speaker 1: All right? I mean I don't think, you know, I

910
00:40:57,960 --> 00:40:59,880
Speaker 1: just obviously it's a matter of opinion right now. BY

911
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:02,000
Speaker 1: think that's gonna be an interesting conversation. I think that's

912
00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:04,200
Speaker 1: gonna be two guys that I think are gonna sort

913
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:07,680
Speaker 1: of line up similarly, because there are young guys who

914
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:10,799
Speaker 1: showed flashes this year who could use a little bit

915
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:13,279
Speaker 1: of extra help with wide receivers. I think, you know,

916
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:15,560
Speaker 1: in Denver Courtland Sutton was nice, but they can't do

917
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:18,200
Speaker 1: it with him by himself. Drake May really didn't have

918
00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:20,239
Speaker 1: any wide receivers in New England, so they're gonna have

919
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:22,920
Speaker 1: to fix that problem at all. But I do think

920
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:25,960
Speaker 1: there's a big step forward coming from May. You sort

921
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:28,360
Speaker 1: of the unsung hero I think of the rookie quarterbacks

922
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:30,320
Speaker 1: this year, and I think he acquitted himself very well

923
00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:35,080
Speaker 1: considering the circumstances. My hot take and I don't know,

924
00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:39,680
Speaker 1: maybe this is not you think it's spicy. Yeah, I

925
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:42,279
Speaker 1: think that Sae Kwon Barkley will not be worthy of

926
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:45,319
Speaker 1: a first round pick next year. I think Sae Kwon

927
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:49,560
Speaker 1: Barkley in the second round is great. And I said

928
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:53,480
Speaker 1: this on Fantasy Live today. I know the pushback's gonna

929
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:56,240
Speaker 1: be well. Marcus he had two thousand rushing yards this year,

930
00:41:56,719 --> 00:41:58,880
Speaker 1: and that is exactly my point is that he had

931
00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:01,680
Speaker 1: two thousand rushing yards this year. You go back and

932
00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:04,960
Speaker 1: you look at the eight other players who've had two

933
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:08,440
Speaker 1: thousand yards in a season, and the drop off in

934
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:12,280
Speaker 1: terms of rushing production the next year has been dramatic.

935
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:15,200
Speaker 1: First of all, what happened in the two thousand yard

936
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:18,560
Speaker 1: season is that you had good health situations where everybody

937
00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:22,160
Speaker 1: was able to play a full season. The next year,

938
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:25,319
Speaker 1: you had guys that suffered injuries, missed a couple of games.

939
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:28,359
Speaker 1: In some cases, guys missed significant number of games. Derreck

940
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:30,960
Speaker 1: Henry went from sixteen to eight games. Terrell Davis went

941
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:33,719
Speaker 1: from sixteen to four games and just ran for two

942
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:36,480
Speaker 1: hundred and eleven yards. You look at the average number

943
00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:40,960
Speaker 1: of rushing yards the following year, guys averaged just over

944
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:44,480
Speaker 1: one thousand yards per game, or a thoundand for the

945
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:47,200
Speaker 1: season per game would be amazing. It was just over

946
00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:50,439
Speaker 1: one thousand yards for the season the following year, even

947
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:52,400
Speaker 1: if you take out because one of the numbers was

948
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:54,319
Speaker 1: Terrell Davis Acord for two to eleven because he only

949
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:57,000
Speaker 1: played four games. If you take that out, the number

950
00:42:57,080 --> 00:43:00,480
Speaker 1: still jumps to only twelve hundred yards. You take out,

951
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:03,480
Speaker 1: Let's say everything else for Saquon remains the same, but

952
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 1: you drop him down to about twelve hundred yards or

953
00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:08,839
Speaker 1: so rushing. Next year, you're looking at about two hundred

954
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:10,960
Speaker 1: and fifty eight Fantasy points, which is right about where

955
00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:14,440
Speaker 1: James Cook is right now. James Cook is the RB nine.

956
00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:17,080
Speaker 1: Nobody is talking about taking James Cook in the first

957
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:19,600
Speaker 1: round next year. So I just think that this is

958
00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:22,840
Speaker 1: one of those magical seasons for Saquon that has been amazing.

959
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:25,719
Speaker 1: I don't think he's gonna be like a bust next year,

960
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:27,719
Speaker 1: but I think if if you're drafting him in the

961
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:29,759
Speaker 1: first round and you're thinking you're gonna get just this

962
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:33,040
Speaker 1: bananas video game like production, I think you're gonna look

963
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:35,280
Speaker 1: at Saquon and be like, what's wrong with Saquon Barkley?

964
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:37,520
Speaker 1: If he ends up being a second round pick, and

965
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:40,160
Speaker 1: he puts up similar numbers to what we've seen from

966
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:42,719
Speaker 1: these other two thousand yard rushers. I think you feel

967
00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:45,480
Speaker 1: great about it, but I think the knee jerk is

968
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:47,839
Speaker 1: gonna be like, yeah, man, he was amazing, He's in Philadelphia,

969
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:50,120
Speaker 1: everything's great. Let's take him in the first round. And

970
00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:51,799
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you that I don't think I feel

971
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:53,399
Speaker 1: comfortable doing that right now.

972
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:55,520
Speaker 2: So nope, there is agreed.

973
00:43:56,560 --> 00:43:59,480
Speaker 1: And so this is different Lakwan. This is a different thing.

974
00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:02,000
Speaker 1: You're got drafting running backs in the first round. Like

975
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:03,680
Speaker 1: I'm willing to take a running back. I could take

976
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:06,360
Speaker 1: Bijon or somebody like that in the first round. I

977
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:08,120
Speaker 1: just don't think I want to take Saquon in the

978
00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:08,960
Speaker 1: first round this year.

979
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:11,840
Speaker 2: I'm the bitter X my hardest score. Now, I'm hurt.

980
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:15,200
Speaker 2: I'm part of that CMC one oh one group, you know,

981
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:17,279
Speaker 2: and I'm about done with it. And you look at

982
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:20,080
Speaker 2: Saquon's numbers, they're amazing. I mean, that's a heavy workload.

983
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:23,720
Speaker 2: And we're talking about Saquon possibly having the same workload

984
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:25,759
Speaker 2: in the playoffs, like he's going to be going through

985
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:27,800
Speaker 2: a lot of wear and tear. Same thing as CMC

986
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:30,880
Speaker 2: back to that theory I pointed to earlier in the summer, Like,

987
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:32,880
Speaker 2: I don't know if I want a guy that's working

988
00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:35,480
Speaker 2: this hard this year. I'm glad to be in the

989
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:38,160
Speaker 2: you know, the the magical story of him having two

990
00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:41,319
Speaker 2: thousand yards and all these fantasy numbers. But next season, no,

991
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:43,319
Speaker 2: he's going to be god tired. He's going to be

992
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:45,680
Speaker 2: one out this fall season. Like, I don't want any

993
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:48,279
Speaker 2: parts of that. And I don't want to go out

994
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:50,600
Speaker 2: there and spend a high draft pick on a running

995
00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:53,480
Speaker 2: back again when we've seen this story played over and

996
00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:54,520
Speaker 2: over and over again.

997
00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:58,640
Speaker 3: Three hundred and forty five carries right now, his career

998
00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:01,080
Speaker 3: in regular season is pre his career high was two

999
00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:03,080
Speaker 3: ninety five, so that's already fifty more.

1000
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:07,960
Speaker 2: Oh my, yeah, all the numbers, people no fade faith, fait.

1001
00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:10,839
Speaker 1: It just it just feels bad. Yeah, I know.

1002
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:13,600
Speaker 3: Older running backs hit this year, but like, I still

1003
00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:15,440
Speaker 3: don't want to use a first round pick on a twenty.

1004
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:18,160
Speaker 3: He's gonna be twenty eight next month. Like it's like

1005
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:21,319
Speaker 3: bijon games. These guys are what twenty three to twenty four,

1006
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:23,520
Speaker 3: Like I could get behind that twenty eight.

1007
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:25,920
Speaker 1: You're too close to the cliff of falling off for me.

1008
00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:29,600
Speaker 3: So yeah, I think as a show, we might be

1009
00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:31,280
Speaker 3: fading first round Saquon crazy.

1010
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:32,200
Speaker 1: Wow, all right.

1011
00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:35,200
Speaker 3: You guys can I did not come into this episode

1012
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:36,560
Speaker 3: thinking this way, but you.

1013
00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:39,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean because like it's funny, because I say,

1014
00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:40,480
Speaker 1: like I part of me is like this is like

1015
00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:42,960
Speaker 1: a spicy hot take. But I feel like we're all

1016
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:44,920
Speaker 1: gonna kind of get together and start looking at this

1017
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:47,759
Speaker 1: and realizing that, like, yeah, maybe maybe it's just not

1018
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:50,640
Speaker 1: that that spicy a take. By the time we get

1019
00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:51,080
Speaker 1: to like, you.

1020
00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:54,560
Speaker 3: Know, July, he'll still one hundred percent go in the

1021
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:57,560
Speaker 3: first round, though, Yeah, I think I think consensus will

1022
00:45:57,560 --> 00:45:58,359
Speaker 3: put him in the first round.

1023
00:45:58,360 --> 00:45:59,439
Speaker 1: But I think there's gonna be a lot of people

1024
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:01,279
Speaker 1: out there who look at this and say, like, yeah,

1025
00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:05,520
Speaker 1: maybe not maybe just not for me. I also look

1026
00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:07,520
Speaker 1: forward to being in like October and being like, yeah,

1027
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:12,520
Speaker 1: that was stupid to me. I don't know what I

1028
00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:15,320
Speaker 1: was thinking. I'm an idiot, So that's always That's certainly

1029
00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:18,080
Speaker 1: in the range of outcomes for me for sure. So

1030
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:21,120
Speaker 1: there you go. Those are our hot takes for twenty

1031
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:23,479
Speaker 1: twenty five. We will do this again at some point

1032
00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:26,040
Speaker 1: in the off season, probably multiple times in the off season,

1033
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:30,000
Speaker 1: a little bit of housekeeping. We are taking a break.

1034
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:32,000
Speaker 1: We're taking a hiatus for a week, so all next

1035
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:33,680
Speaker 1: week we will be dark. We'll be back with you

1036
00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:36,480
Speaker 1: after that. Two shows a week for at least through

1037
00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:40,440
Speaker 1: the NFL playoffs will be on Tuesdays and Thursdays. We're

1038
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:43,880
Speaker 1: also going to revive the Fancy cheat Sheet this offseason.

1039
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:45,960
Speaker 1: We're certainly grateful to all of you who kind of

1040
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:47,720
Speaker 1: made it a thing for us last year. It started

1041
00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:50,120
Speaker 1: with something fun and goofy for us to do, but

1042
00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:52,000
Speaker 1: it seemed like it found an audience, so we are

1043
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:54,200
Speaker 1: certainly grateful for that. We're gonna bring it back next season.

1044
00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:57,920
Speaker 1: Stay tuned for your local listings for further details on

1045
00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:00,640
Speaker 1: that one. But in the meantime, that'll do it for

1046
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:03,959
Speaker 1: this edition of the NFL Fantasy Football Podcast, The Happy, Safe,

1047
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:07,400
Speaker 1: and Healthy, Do good, and live well. Enjoy Week eighteen, everybody,

1048
00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:09,000
Speaker 1: and we will talk to you again real soon.