WEBVTT - TechStuff's Favorite Tech Movies 0:00:00.320 --> 0:00:02.880 Brought to you by the reinvented two thousand twelve camera. 0:00:03.200 --> 0:00:08.920 It's ready. Are you get in touch with technologies with 0:00:09.080 --> 0:00:17.960 tech Stuff from how stuff works dot com. Hello there, everybody, 0:00:18.000 --> 0:00:20.439 and welcome to tech stuff. My name is Chris Polette, 0:00:20.440 --> 0:00:22.160 and I am the tech editor here at how stuff 0:00:22.160 --> 0:00:25.319 works dot Com. Sitting across from me as usual as 0:00:25.360 --> 0:00:30.720 senior writer Jonathan Strickland turned down your lights, folks, I 0:00:30.760 --> 0:00:33.360 guess that's your way of mentioning that that's going to 0:00:33.400 --> 0:00:36.760 be the start of our movie episode. Yes, so this 0:00:36.880 --> 0:00:43.360 episode comes to us courtesy of a little listener mail Missles. 0:00:43.360 --> 0:00:45.680 Your mail comes from Richard, who says, would you guys 0:00:45.720 --> 0:00:50.400 consider a podcast on your favorite and least favorite tech movies? Yes, Richard, 0:00:50.479 --> 0:00:55.000 we would, We did consider it, and now we're doing it. Um. 0:00:55.040 --> 0:00:58.760 We decided tech movies is kind of a hard thing 0:00:58.840 --> 0:01:01.440 to quantify. We kind of decided to just go with 0:01:02.360 --> 0:01:05.640 uh well, I mainly focus on science fiction films in 0:01:05.680 --> 0:01:09.440 which the tech actually plays at least some role within 0:01:09.520 --> 0:01:13.360 the story. It's not just a necessarily part of the background. 0:01:13.360 --> 0:01:16.360 Although again fast and Loose were we didn't want to 0:01:16.720 --> 0:01:19.559 hedge ourselves in too much, so Chris do you wanna 0:01:19.760 --> 0:01:21.880 do you want to give it? Give us a start 0:01:21.920 --> 0:01:25.760 here because your first pick and explain why you like it. Well, 0:01:25.800 --> 0:01:29.119 my first pick, Jonathan, is one that we actually just 0:01:29.360 --> 0:01:31.560 talked about. It was the first movie that came to 0:01:31.600 --> 0:01:33.920 mind when I was thinking of movies with technology in 0:01:33.959 --> 0:01:37.600 them that I really I thought was awesome and now 0:01:37.640 --> 0:01:42.080 would be war games awesome. This shall we play a game? 0:01:43.400 --> 0:01:46.399 And um, some of you younger listeners, we do have 0:01:46.480 --> 0:01:48.880 quite a few of you, thanks for tuning in. Uh, 0:01:48.920 --> 0:01:51.600 some of you longer, younger listeners may not be familiar 0:01:51.640 --> 0:01:55.240 with this movie because it came out many years ago. Yes, 0:01:55.240 --> 0:01:59.400 starring a young Matthew Broderick. The idea of being Um, 0:01:59.440 --> 0:02:02.080 this was back when I think it's safe to say 0:02:02.120 --> 0:02:05.840 that modems dialing in using your computer to to make 0:02:06.160 --> 0:02:09.200 contact with another computer was sort of a novelty. Yeah. 0:02:09.280 --> 0:02:12.280 I think that might have been like a three modem 0:02:12.320 --> 0:02:14.240 that he was using. I mean, this was this was 0:02:14.280 --> 0:02:17.040 a brand new I remember when I saw that movie. 0:02:17.160 --> 0:02:19.800 I had never heard of using a computer to dial 0:02:19.919 --> 0:02:22.880 into another computer at that point. But then again, also 0:02:22.919 --> 0:02:26.600 I was quite young when this film came out. Of course, 0:02:26.800 --> 0:02:30.839 in the movie, Matthew Broderick and Ali sheety, Uh, put 0:02:30.840 --> 0:02:32.600 their take their phone off the hook, put it on 0:02:32.639 --> 0:02:35.960 the modem phone cups. This was back when we used 0:02:36.000 --> 0:02:38.200 to have to use well some of you, I I 0:02:38.520 --> 0:02:40.840 doubt anyone listening to us as using a dialing modem 0:02:40.840 --> 0:02:42.680 because we would take too long to download the episodes. 0:02:43.320 --> 0:02:46.440 But yeah, we used to have to use phone lines 0:02:46.480 --> 0:02:49.560 to connect to the internet. Actually before this is even 0:02:49.600 --> 0:02:52.560 before the Internet. Yes, that's true, because they were dialing 0:02:52.680 --> 0:02:57.480 directly into a machine and uh it was a government machine, right. 0:02:57.520 --> 0:02:59.440 And in the beginning, you find out that he can 0:03:00.040 --> 0:03:04.080 hack into the school computer and change things around there, 0:03:04.120 --> 0:03:06.440 but it turns out he can hack into other things 0:03:06.480 --> 0:03:09.160 as well. And he hears about this particular computer that 0:03:09.919 --> 0:03:12.200 sounds like it has some incredible stuff on it, and 0:03:12.320 --> 0:03:15.360 in true hacker fashion, he wants to know what that 0:03:15.440 --> 0:03:18.440 stuff is. It's not that he wants to cause problems 0:03:18.560 --> 0:03:21.080 or or be a pain in the butt. He's just 0:03:21.240 --> 0:03:24.520 curious and he has to satisfy that curiosity. Yes, and 0:03:24.840 --> 0:03:26.960 the computer asks him if he wants to play a game, 0:03:27.240 --> 0:03:30.480 and uh, he's up for that, and so he starts 0:03:30.480 --> 0:03:34.720 a game called Global Thermonuclear War. Uh. The problem being 0:03:34.800 --> 0:03:37.800 that this computer happens to be owned by the federal 0:03:37.800 --> 0:03:41.680 government and is used for war simulations. So of course 0:03:41.880 --> 0:03:44.520 all the people at Norad and all the other folks 0:03:44.560 --> 0:03:47.440 watching those boards with lots of blinking electronic planes on them, 0:03:48.080 --> 0:03:50.520 U get very very nervous because it appears that there 0:03:50.560 --> 0:03:53.440 is an actual attack being launched. Right, Yeah, so it 0:03:53.640 --> 0:03:58.080 it the the computer with the simulation taps into essentially 0:03:58.080 --> 0:04:01.800 the computer system as a whole for nora Ad, and 0:04:02.240 --> 0:04:05.560 that's what kind of capitulates this into an awful, awful 0:04:05.600 --> 0:04:07.800 problem where it looks like the world is on the 0:04:07.840 --> 0:04:13.280 brink of actual thermonuclear war. And fortunately for us, Matthew 0:04:13.280 --> 0:04:16.800 Broderick's character comes up with a solution at the very 0:04:16.920 --> 0:04:20.000 end to try and teach the computer why this is 0:04:20.040 --> 0:04:22.479 a bad idea. We shouldn't spoil it, I guess. Just 0:04:22.520 --> 0:04:24.719 in case you haven't seen it, it is worth watching. 0:04:24.720 --> 0:04:27.239 I mean, it's one of those movies where you're gonna 0:04:27.279 --> 0:04:30.120 have to get over the dated references and everything. You know, 0:04:30.120 --> 0:04:32.560 it's gonna seem kind of weird and cheesy to someone 0:04:32.600 --> 0:04:35.120 who didn't who wasn't around in the early eighties or 0:04:35.440 --> 0:04:37.039 you know, it was very young in the early eighties 0:04:37.080 --> 0:04:40.159 and barely remembers it, but it is a legitimately good 0:04:40.160 --> 0:04:42.200 tech movie. I'm glad you picked that one. Yeah, I 0:04:42.680 --> 0:04:46.680 think we'll also give you an appreciation, especially for people 0:04:46.680 --> 0:04:51.800 who weren't around back then, how far technology is come 0:04:51.800 --> 0:04:54.320 in a very very short period of time. Really is 0:04:54.400 --> 0:04:57.080 in the great scheme of things. Um. Also, I read 0:04:57.080 --> 0:04:59.760 in Wired magazine a while ago, not too long ago, 0:04:59.839 --> 0:05:03.800 but to apparently President Ronald Reagan had watched the movie 0:05:03.839 --> 0:05:08.120 and it actually had clued him into the significance of 0:05:08.160 --> 0:05:11.280 computer technology and the kinds of things that, uh it 0:05:11.400 --> 0:05:16.400 could be used for, and apparently started the seeds of 0:05:17.440 --> 0:05:19.880 a technology program in the government and you know what 0:05:20.040 --> 0:05:23.720 needed to be protected. Which is funny because now just 0:05:23.800 --> 0:05:25.960 today we had the as the day we're recording this, 0:05:26.000 --> 0:05:31.200 we've had our cybersecurity coordinator named so kind of topical 0:05:31.200 --> 0:05:33.599 today that that movie actually reminds me of one that 0:05:33.640 --> 0:05:36.080 I didn't put on my list, but I probably should have, 0:05:36.120 --> 0:05:38.320 because I do enjoy it quite a bit, which is 0:05:38.680 --> 0:05:41.680 an older film but based on a similar topic, which 0:05:41.760 --> 0:05:44.680 is Doctor Strangelove or How I Learned to Stop Worrying 0:05:44.720 --> 0:05:48.040 and Love the Bomb. Yes, yes, the Kubrick film. Um. 0:05:48.080 --> 0:05:51.359 Now in that movie, you have a uh, you have 0:05:51.800 --> 0:05:55.800 several things all converging on one horrible, horrible event. The 0:05:56.000 --> 0:06:00.719 first thing is you've got a crazy army base commander 0:06:01.080 --> 0:06:04.200 who has decided that he wants to create a first 0:06:04.279 --> 0:06:06.919 strike on the Russians because the Russians are up to 0:06:06.960 --> 0:06:10.120 no good and will eventually attack, and they only answer 0:06:10.800 --> 0:06:15.040 is to attack them first. So he uh, he's doing this. 0:06:15.080 --> 0:06:19.279 On that he goes rogue essentially and and uh turns 0:06:19.320 --> 0:06:22.599 against his own country in order to escalate a war 0:06:22.680 --> 0:06:27.920 with Russia. Unfortunately, and unbeknownst to this commander, Russia has 0:06:27.960 --> 0:06:32.560 developed a secret super weapon, a doomsday device, which will 0:06:32.640 --> 0:06:36.599 essentially wipe out pretty much all life on earth. Um. 0:06:36.839 --> 0:06:40.159 The whole idea being that by revealing the existence of 0:06:40.200 --> 0:06:43.320 this weapon, no one would ever dare attack Russia because 0:06:43.360 --> 0:06:46.760 it would automatically retaliate and there's no way to shut 0:06:46.800 --> 0:06:52.640 it off. But Russia hasn't said anything about the device 0:06:52.760 --> 0:06:55.960 because it was supposed to be a surprise. The President 0:06:55.960 --> 0:06:58.080 wanted to reveal it on a certain day, and that 0:06:58.160 --> 0:07:01.000 day had not yet arrived. And so you have this 0:07:01.040 --> 0:07:02.760 whole group of people who are trying to figure out 0:07:02.800 --> 0:07:05.720 how to get out of an impossible situation and doing 0:07:05.760 --> 0:07:09.000 all they can to avert it. And um, I won't 0:07:09.040 --> 0:07:11.640 spoil that one either, I'll just say that it uh, 0:07:11.720 --> 0:07:14.320 it is a great movie. Peter Seller's plays half the 0:07:14.400 --> 0:07:16.880 cast and he does a great job. Yes, and if 0:07:16.920 --> 0:07:20.080 you if you have seen the movie, I would also recommend, Uh, 0:07:20.760 --> 0:07:23.680 it's kind of a weird thing, but you should check 0:07:23.720 --> 0:07:27.400 out the movie Failsafe because it will make you, especially 0:07:27.440 --> 0:07:29.520 after having seen it. I had to watch it for 0:07:29.560 --> 0:07:33.680 a class in college, and I suddenly went oh, because 0:07:34.360 --> 0:07:36.560 Dr Strangelove actually makes a lot of references to that, 0:07:36.600 --> 0:07:40.440 which is a very actual serious movie about the idea 0:07:40.560 --> 0:07:44.040 that you know, Russian the Soviet Union in the United 0:07:44.080 --> 0:07:49.200 States might go to all out nuclear war. Well, let 0:07:49.280 --> 0:07:51.280 me do one that's actually on my list since that 0:07:51.320 --> 0:07:55.480 one wasn't uh, keeping with kind of the young hacker theme, 0:07:56.240 --> 0:08:01.600 Real Genius, Real Genius, starring a young Vel Kilmer. Uh. 0:08:01.640 --> 0:08:05.200 And this is a movie about a college that uh, 0:08:05.520 --> 0:08:10.920 that attracts really really smart people who especially are particularly 0:08:11.480 --> 0:08:15.360 interested in things like physics, um, chemical engineering, that kind 0:08:15.360 --> 0:08:20.680 of thing. And although their geniuses in every field essentially 0:08:20.680 --> 0:08:24.600 at this this college, but the they actively recruit young 0:08:24.760 --> 0:08:28.080 brilliant minds. And then it turns out that the professor 0:08:28.520 --> 0:08:31.240 who is recruiting these young brilliant minds is doing so 0:08:31.680 --> 0:08:35.680 in order to have them build a laser weapon device 0:08:35.960 --> 0:08:39.160 that can be deployed from an airplane and pinpoint a 0:08:39.400 --> 0:08:44.120 specific target on the ground from low orbit actually and 0:08:44.320 --> 0:08:47.680 zap that target. And so essentially it's like the most 0:08:47.679 --> 0:08:53.000 powerful sniper ever. And um, the professor has agreed to 0:08:53.040 --> 0:08:56.000 a contract to that with the military to deliver this weapon. 0:08:56.040 --> 0:08:58.480 But of course the professor himself is not developing any 0:08:58.480 --> 0:09:01.240 of the technology because it's it's he's not smart enough 0:09:01.280 --> 0:09:04.160 to do it. He has his students doing it unbeknownst 0:09:04.240 --> 0:09:06.040 to them. They have no idea what it is that 0:09:06.120 --> 0:09:08.360 they are, They don't know why they're developing the stuff 0:09:08.360 --> 0:09:10.800 they're developing. They just think of it as a school project. 0:09:12.200 --> 0:09:15.360 And uh, it's actually filled with wacky shenanigans. That description 0:09:15.360 --> 0:09:17.280 of the plot makes it sound pretty serious, but it's 0:09:17.280 --> 0:09:21.559 really a comedy and uh, and it's a pretty goofy one. 0:09:21.600 --> 0:09:24.080 It Also, if you've only know Val Kilmer from his 0:09:24.160 --> 0:09:26.720 later work, it'll it'll show him in a totally different 0:09:26.760 --> 0:09:31.400 light to you. All Right, then your next favorite. Um, 0:09:32.360 --> 0:09:35.040 I don't think this list would be complete without one 0:09:35.080 --> 0:09:37.079 of us. And I bet, I'm willing to bet that 0:09:37.120 --> 0:09:40.000 this may actually be somewhere on your list. Um, that 0:09:40.000 --> 0:09:42.320 would be Blade Runner. You know what, not on my 0:09:42.360 --> 0:09:46.400 list really well. Blade Runner is based on a book 0:09:46.480 --> 0:09:49.800 by Philip K. Dick called Do Android's Dream of Electric Sheep. 0:09:50.679 --> 0:09:55.560 And it's about it's about androids who walk among us, um, 0:09:55.600 --> 0:10:00.400 some of whom have become very dangerous. Um and uh. 0:10:00.440 --> 0:10:04.600 They're actually called replicants, both in the book and the movie. UM. 0:10:04.640 --> 0:10:07.840 And it's uh, it's really dark and and it's kind 0:10:07.840 --> 0:10:10.400 of scary because it gets into what it what it's 0:10:10.400 --> 0:10:12.160 like to be human, what it means to be human, 0:10:12.200 --> 0:10:15.560 and you know, there are questions about who is actually 0:10:15.640 --> 0:10:19.440 human and who is actually a replicant. Um. So it's 0:10:19.840 --> 0:10:22.480 because the main character is is his job is to 0:10:22.600 --> 0:10:26.280 hunt down these replicants who have gotten out of hand 0:10:26.320 --> 0:10:30.880 and are dangerous to human life. Um and uh, we'll 0:10:30.880 --> 0:10:33.480 get into too much detail. That's interesting because it depends 0:10:33.520 --> 0:10:36.559 it fully depends upon which version of the film you see. Yeah, 0:10:36.600 --> 0:10:39.240 that's true because depending on the different version of the film, 0:10:39.360 --> 0:10:43.000 some people turn out to be replicants and sometimes they don't. Yes, 0:10:43.280 --> 0:10:45.960 And apparently part of that has to do with the 0:10:46.000 --> 0:10:49.280 budget of the original movie and what they were able 0:10:49.320 --> 0:10:51.200 to include and how long it was supposed to be 0:10:51.240 --> 0:10:52.800 and all this other stuff. I have something. This is 0:10:52.840 --> 0:10:55.280 not one of my favorites, actually one of my least favorite. 0:10:55.360 --> 0:10:57.240 Are we gonna add some least favorites in with the favorite? 0:10:57.240 --> 0:10:59.040 I'm just gonna sneak it in because it's related to 0:10:59.080 --> 0:11:01.839 the one you said. So you talked about Blade Runner 0:11:01.840 --> 0:11:03.839 and replicas in that what it means to be human. 0:11:04.440 --> 0:11:07.040 I have a similar movie that tried to do that, 0:11:07.120 --> 0:11:12.480 but I think was ultimately a failure. Aial Intelligence also 0:11:12.800 --> 0:11:15.480 ties back into Dr Strangelove because it was originally a 0:11:15.559 --> 0:11:20.560 Kubrick project. AI. The reason why I do not like 0:11:20.720 --> 0:11:23.319 AI as well. There's several reasons. One, the movie should 0:11:23.320 --> 0:11:26.920 have ended twenty minutes before it actually ended. Um, there 0:11:26.960 --> 0:11:32.199 was a perfect tragic Kubrick ending. They could have finished 0:11:32.240 --> 0:11:34.600 the film, and yes, it would have been sad, but 0:11:34.679 --> 0:11:37.480 it was the right ending for that movie. Uh. And 0:11:37.520 --> 0:11:42.679 instead it kept ongoing. Um. And it just there were 0:11:42.720 --> 0:11:47.720 some really important, deep questions that it was asking, but 0:11:47.800 --> 0:11:50.520 it wasn't. I don't think it gave the audience enough 0:11:50.720 --> 0:11:55.200 to really make up you know, each each individual audience 0:11:55.200 --> 0:11:57.360 member couldnot make up his or her own mind, because 0:11:57.960 --> 0:12:01.800 the way Spielberg made that movie, the answer was already 0:12:01.840 --> 0:12:06.760 made for you. The question I would say is, does 0:12:06.840 --> 0:12:12.760 an artificially intelligent creature doesn't have the same sort of rights? 0:12:13.520 --> 0:12:16.839 And uh, does it have rights like a human being 0:12:16.840 --> 0:12:20.400 would have rights just because it is self aware? Um, 0:12:20.480 --> 0:12:24.920 and has this ability to learn and possibly even feel. 0:12:25.280 --> 0:12:28.800 That's another question is could an artificially intelligent construct actually 0:12:28.800 --> 0:12:31.960 experience what we consider to be emotions? We don't know 0:12:32.040 --> 0:12:36.520 that answer, but this movie managed to answer the question 0:12:36.600 --> 0:12:39.040 for you. I think it's much more interesting to pose 0:12:39.080 --> 0:12:41.960 that question to the audience and have that be a debate. 0:12:42.120 --> 0:12:45.920 I mean, is it is it right to even create 0:12:45.960 --> 0:12:49.040 an artificially intelligent construct if there is the potential for 0:12:49.080 --> 0:12:53.200 it to develop not just self awareness but emotions? Um? 0:12:53.400 --> 0:12:55.360 Is that the responsible thing to do? Because you have 0:12:55.440 --> 0:12:58.880 essentially created a slave at that point, and that was 0:12:58.960 --> 0:13:00.960 kind of the point of the movie. But again, like 0:13:01.000 --> 0:13:04.000 I said, they answered the question for you without really 0:13:04.000 --> 0:13:09.160 giving you the opportunity to ask it yourself. So did 0:13:09.200 --> 0:13:11.920 you want to get back to one on your list. Sure, 0:13:13.280 --> 0:13:15.760 I say a good one A movie I really enjoyed 0:13:16.040 --> 0:13:20.679 Twelve Monkeys. Twelve Monkeys one of Terry Gilliams movies. I 0:13:20.880 --> 0:13:23.679 Know I'm a I'm an enormous jelly Terry gilliam fan. 0:13:23.720 --> 0:13:26.760 I could also easily put Brazil on here. Twelve Monkeys 0:13:26.760 --> 0:13:29.360 in Brazil to me go hand in hand. Both of 0:13:29.400 --> 0:13:34.199 them are about dystopian worlds. In twelve Monkeys, it might 0:13:34.240 --> 0:13:36.880 even not be a real world. It's hard to say 0:13:36.960 --> 0:13:40.080 because how much of that is actually supposed to be 0:13:40.120 --> 0:13:42.400 happening and how much of it is within the mind 0:13:42.440 --> 0:13:45.480 of the main character. Um. Now, twelve Monkeys, you've got 0:13:45.720 --> 0:13:48.360 the story of a a guy who sent back in 0:13:48.480 --> 0:13:51.960 time to change events and and sort of the the 0:13:52.880 --> 0:13:55.720 series of circumstances that he encounters as he tries to 0:13:55.720 --> 0:13:59.000 do this, and he misinterprets events and changes the wrong thing, 0:13:59.120 --> 0:14:02.440 and uh, it kind of poses the question of is 0:14:02.559 --> 0:14:05.720 time malleable or if you could travel through time, could 0:14:05.760 --> 0:14:07.880 you actually make a difference or would you really just 0:14:07.920 --> 0:14:12.160 be playing into the same events that that you noticed 0:14:12.200 --> 0:14:14.320 in the future. Like if you went back in time 0:14:14.360 --> 0:14:16.360 and try to change things, would it turn out that 0:14:16.400 --> 0:14:18.440 the things you try to change actually lead to the 0:14:18.480 --> 0:14:22.000 events being the way they were when you started. Um, 0:14:22.080 --> 0:14:23.880 so I think that's it now. Now it's not really 0:14:23.920 --> 0:14:25.920 all about the tech. In fact, that technology takes a 0:14:26.040 --> 0:14:29.800 kind of a back seat in that one. But all 0:14:29.840 --> 0:14:32.880 the visions of the dystopian future are really really disturbing 0:14:32.920 --> 0:14:36.520 in that very visual gilliam style. So that's one that 0:14:36.560 --> 0:14:40.920 sticks with me. Okay, then your turn. Um, speaking of 0:14:41.000 --> 0:14:43.640 movies that involved tech, but they it sort of takes 0:14:43.640 --> 0:14:46.120 a back seat. One of my favorites would probably be 0:14:46.560 --> 0:14:49.120 Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind, another one I haven't 0:14:49.120 --> 0:14:53.920 seen really Yeah, oh well it's uh, you know, the 0:14:54.000 --> 0:14:57.680 tech really sort of plays that well, it's a crucial 0:14:57.720 --> 0:14:59.680 part in the movie, but it's not about the technology, 0:14:59.720 --> 0:15:04.240 but um about the company that will let you erase 0:15:04.360 --> 0:15:07.920 your memories. So essentially you're able to start over if 0:15:07.920 --> 0:15:09.800 you have something that you just want to forget about. 0:15:10.440 --> 0:15:15.240 And actually sees from Dollhouse just flashed through my mind. 0:15:15.240 --> 0:15:19.360 But that's a TV show talking about erasing your memories. Um, 0:15:19.480 --> 0:15:23.040 but it's it's really really enjoyable. Um, and I liked 0:15:23.080 --> 0:15:25.560 it very much, but uh, you know, I won't get 0:15:25.560 --> 0:15:29.280 into the details of the movie. But the characters, of 0:15:29.320 --> 0:15:32.880 course um interact with one another, and you know, find 0:15:32.880 --> 0:15:36.080 out when they get their access to their old memories 0:15:36.080 --> 0:15:39.800 back some things that you know, they were a little 0:15:39.840 --> 0:15:43.400 surprised to find out. So it's it's an ext onent movie. 0:15:43.480 --> 0:15:46.560 It's weally, it's kind of weird, but you know it 0:15:46.560 --> 0:15:48.520 would be because it's about memory. And everyone I know 0:15:48.520 --> 0:15:50.920 who saw it really enjoyed it. That's just one. You know, 0:15:50.960 --> 0:15:52.800 there's always those movies that get away from you that 0:15:52.800 --> 0:15:54.760 you never got a chance to see and have lots 0:15:54.760 --> 0:16:00.520 of um. I was gonna mention Gatica. You know, people 0:16:00.560 --> 0:16:02.840 like that as a as a tech movie. There's something 0:16:03.160 --> 0:16:08.520 about dystopian futures that I find really really fascinating. I like. 0:16:08.720 --> 0:16:12.680 I like both in in novels and in films, and 0:16:12.720 --> 0:16:14.080 I think part of the reason why I like it 0:16:14.120 --> 0:16:16.960 is because I consider them warnings like this is a 0:16:16.960 --> 0:16:20.920 warning of what can happen if you aren't careful, and 0:16:21.040 --> 0:16:23.840 you know, just just think about the consequences of your 0:16:23.880 --> 0:16:26.840 actions and the act not not your actions as in 0:16:26.880 --> 0:16:30.240 you the individual, but actions kind of as a collective group, 0:16:30.960 --> 0:16:33.320 and and the decisions we make and how that can 0:16:33.400 --> 0:16:37.440 lead to a really terrible situation. Now in Gatica, you've 0:16:37.480 --> 0:16:42.360 got a world where you've got these genetically hiss genetically 0:16:42.360 --> 0:16:45.320 designed people who are you know, more or less as 0:16:45.400 --> 0:16:47.600 as perfect as they possibly can be. Kind of a 0:16:47.600 --> 0:16:51.480 brave new world situation. And uh, and they are given 0:16:51.520 --> 0:16:54.680 preferential treatment because you will automatically know from a genetic 0:16:54.880 --> 0:16:57.800 level these people are superior to the folks who are 0:16:58.400 --> 0:17:01.000 born the good old fashioned way. And so why take 0:17:01.000 --> 0:17:05.159 a risk on someone who wasn't designed when you know, 0:17:05.680 --> 0:17:08.080 you know, genetically this person is perfect. Therefore they should 0:17:08.119 --> 0:17:10.480 take the job. And uh, it's the story of a 0:17:10.760 --> 0:17:16.640 guy who was not one of the designed, who uh nevertheless, 0:17:16.760 --> 0:17:20.720 is determined to pursue his goal and as in order 0:17:20.760 --> 0:17:23.040 to do so he must he must put upon the 0:17:23.080 --> 0:17:26.800 appearance of being one of the perfect people. And the 0:17:27.119 --> 0:17:30.000 it talks about the great lengths he goes to to 0:17:30.119 --> 0:17:33.919 disguise his identity and try to slip under the radar 0:17:34.080 --> 0:17:37.520 of a society that is not only incredibly advanced but 0:17:37.680 --> 0:17:42.960 also incredibly paranoid. The the company he works for does 0:17:43.480 --> 0:17:47.680 routine uh scans of things like even the keyboard. They'll 0:17:47.760 --> 0:17:50.680 they'll vacuum up the skin particles that all between the 0:17:50.760 --> 0:17:53.359 keys on a keyboard and analyze them to make sure 0:17:53.440 --> 0:17:55.520 that the person who's sitting there is who they say 0:17:55.520 --> 0:17:59.119 they are. So it's kind of interesting to show how 0:18:00.160 --> 0:18:04.040 a person with a real drive and ambition will go 0:18:04.160 --> 0:18:09.160 to incredible and dangerous lengths in order to achieve it. Um. 0:18:09.200 --> 0:18:11.919 And also, I mean the audience is supposed to side 0:18:11.920 --> 0:18:13.800 with the main character. You're supposed to say, Okay, well 0:18:13.800 --> 0:18:16.080 this guy is right and this is a society that's wrong, 0:18:16.560 --> 0:18:19.000 and uh, the movie makes that very easy. But it's 0:18:19.560 --> 0:18:22.919 it's very well done. Great style to that movie. UM, 0:18:23.119 --> 0:18:26.080 highly recommended. It's a little there's some disturbing moments in it, 0:18:26.280 --> 0:18:30.360 I won't lie, but it's uh, I enjoyed it. All right. Well, 0:18:30.359 --> 0:18:32.960 I've got a question for you. We both mentioned some 0:18:33.000 --> 0:18:34.800 of the movies that we really like. Do we want 0:18:34.800 --> 0:18:36.120 to get onto some of the ones that we really 0:18:36.160 --> 0:18:37.960 don't because we're not gonna have a lot of time 0:18:38.000 --> 0:18:39.679 if we go through all of our likes. All right, 0:18:39.720 --> 0:18:41.680 let's go. If you want to mention your other likes 0:18:41.680 --> 0:18:45.879 without getting into them, Wally, Oh yeah, definitely, Wally. Okay, 0:18:45.920 --> 0:18:48.280 there we go. All right. So, also, Wally a little 0:18:48.280 --> 0:18:50.920 bit of dystopian feature there. Yeah, let's go into the 0:18:51.440 --> 0:18:54.520 ones that we either we call them least favorite, because 0:18:54.520 --> 0:18:57.200 that's what Richard said, I like to call these hatred 0:18:57.320 --> 0:19:01.359 with the passion of a thousand exploding on movies. Are 0:19:01.359 --> 0:19:03.600 the Star Wars prequels on here? Then? No, I didn't 0:19:03.640 --> 0:19:06.200 count Star Wars because those are fantasy films, not science fiction. 0:19:07.640 --> 0:19:11.800 But they are about never go ahead. Um, but yes, 0:19:11.920 --> 0:19:17.399 the prequels are terrible. Okay, so my my top disliked heavily, 0:19:17.560 --> 0:19:21.080 leaning on tech film Independence Day. Oh that's on my list. 0:19:21.119 --> 0:19:24.840 Do score big, you know. And what's crazy is the 0:19:24.920 --> 0:19:26.920 very first time I saw it, I enjoyed that movie. 0:19:27.040 --> 0:19:29.480 It was on subsequent viewings that I realized how stupid 0:19:29.520 --> 0:19:31.919 that film is. Yeah, that's that's the annoying part of it. 0:19:31.960 --> 0:19:34.200 I mean, the story itself is kind of fun, but 0:19:34.240 --> 0:19:38.160 then the whole premise of bringing down an alien intelligence 0:19:38.240 --> 0:19:43.160 with um a virus. Yes that was from my Mac 0:19:43.280 --> 0:19:48.560 No less a virus. Mac computer known for the virus, Right, 0:19:48.560 --> 0:19:51.440 how would you design a computer virus for an alien 0:19:51.520 --> 0:19:56.199 technology that you have never encountered before? You don't know 0:19:56.240 --> 0:19:58.280 what the operating systems like how why would it even 0:19:58.320 --> 0:20:04.600 be based on binary? I am yeah, no that that movie, 0:20:04.760 --> 0:20:07.840 just that premise alone drives me crazy. But there's plenty 0:20:07.840 --> 0:20:10.200 in that film too. And of course that that started 0:20:10.200 --> 0:20:12.960 the whole disaster porn thing that the guy started. You 0:20:12.960 --> 0:20:15.040 know that he also did The Day After Tomorrow and 0:20:15.080 --> 0:20:18.920 he did two thousand twelve, and so yeah, he needs 0:20:18.920 --> 0:20:21.360 to be stopped. Um. I mean he makes stuff blow 0:20:21.400 --> 0:20:23.280 up real good, don't get me wrong. And you're a 0:20:23.320 --> 0:20:26.600 McKinsey brother, you like that stuff. But yeah, I'm not 0:20:26.680 --> 0:20:30.240 a I'm not a fan of that. Um that movie. 0:20:30.760 --> 0:20:33.359 So here's one of mine. Okay, this is like the 0:20:33.440 --> 0:20:36.359 movie that I will never forgive my parents for taking 0:20:36.359 --> 0:20:38.399 me to when I was a kid. So it was 0:20:38.600 --> 0:20:43.720 a fantasy slash science fiction film. You're the Hunter from 0:20:43.720 --> 0:20:47.840 the Future. Did you ever see this? But I've not 0:20:47.960 --> 0:20:50.080 seen it, but I know it exists. It is so 0:20:50.400 --> 0:20:52.680 terrible people, all right now, I am I'm telling you. 0:20:52.800 --> 0:20:56.080 I'm telling you text stuff listeners, you know the how 0:20:56.119 --> 0:20:58.600 they say that, oh that movie is so bad. It's good. Okay, 0:20:58.640 --> 0:21:01.840 this movie is so bad, gut riching, lee awful. Do 0:21:02.000 --> 0:21:05.480 not watch this movie. It is just it is boring. 0:21:05.760 --> 0:21:10.119 It makes no sense. Uh the there are none of 0:21:10.160 --> 0:21:13.320 the characters have any sort of charisma or acting ability. 0:21:13.800 --> 0:21:17.439 Um it is. It is just a total mess of 0:21:17.440 --> 0:21:22.199 a movie. It has prehistoric sections where where there's a 0:21:22.200 --> 0:21:25.640 guy fighting dinosaurs and there's stuff on a spaceship and 0:21:25.720 --> 0:21:28.120 there's no real explanation how this all works, and it's 0:21:28.200 --> 0:21:32.320 just dumb. And I will never forgive my I can. 0:21:32.400 --> 0:21:35.600 I can vividly remember my dad teasing me before we 0:21:35.640 --> 0:21:37.240 go see this movie as why are we gonna go 0:21:37.240 --> 0:21:42.199 see your movie? My movie? Not your movie? Your movie? 0:21:42.840 --> 0:21:45.200 Ha ha ha, Dad, Well, not a lapse on you, 0:21:45.320 --> 0:21:49.280 because I'm gonna bill you for the psychological damage that 0:21:49.359 --> 0:21:52.840 film caused me over the last thirty years. Actually it's 0:21:52.880 --> 0:21:57.000 not that long, but anyway, go ahead. This one is 0:21:57.000 --> 0:22:01.600 is another one that's sort of peripheral. Arman, you know what. 0:22:01.840 --> 0:22:05.040 I have not watched that I but I have seen 0:22:05.040 --> 0:22:09.400 Phil Plate the Bad Astronomer, do a shot for shot 0:22:09.680 --> 0:22:13.840 criticism of one I think two minutes section of that movie, 0:22:14.480 --> 0:22:18.440 and it was so funny. I mean, if you want 0:22:18.520 --> 0:22:22.960 to you know, land two space shuttles on an asteroid 0:22:23.200 --> 0:22:27.159 that has headed for Earth, you know, then it's the 0:22:27.200 --> 0:22:29.400 movie to watch if you actually believe that that's possible, 0:22:29.640 --> 0:22:33.320 I have doubts. He talked about Plate talked about what 0:22:33.359 --> 0:22:35.320 you would actually want to do in order to get 0:22:35.400 --> 0:22:37.840 rid of uh, an asteroid that size. He said that 0:22:37.840 --> 0:22:39.639 blowing it up is the last thing you want to 0:22:39.640 --> 0:22:42.960