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Speaker 1: From Mediators World News Headquarters in Bozeman, Montana. This is

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Speaker 1: dot com. Now here's your host, Ryan cal Callahan.

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Speaker 2: In an incident that has never occurred before and I'm

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Speaker 2: confident will never occur again, a pygmy hippopotamus attacked and

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Speaker 2: killed an antelope at a Grand Rapid Zoo in Michigan.

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Speaker 2: Curators for the John Ball Zoo were excited to introduce

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Speaker 2: the public to two new pygmy hippos during the zoo's

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Speaker 2: Hippo Palooza event on June second. The new enclosure was

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Speaker 2: set to house the hippos alongside two European white storks

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Speaker 2: and a type of swamp dwelling antelope from Central Africa

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Speaker 2: called a sitatunga. Disclaimer, all these animals have names because

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Speaker 2: this is a zoo. It's hard to remain hip hop

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Speaker 2: anonymous when you are the main attract. The citatunga, whose

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Speaker 2: name was Chopper, had already met the offending hippo through

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Speaker 2: a mesh barrier. Zoo officials apparently didn't observe any aggressive

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Speaker 2: behavior between Chopper and the hippo, whose name is Jahari.

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Speaker 2: Unfortunately for Chopper, Jehari was wearing his poker face, because

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Speaker 2: as soon as the animals were allowed to be in

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Speaker 2: the same enclosure, the hippo took out the antelope. Interesting

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Speaker 2: line from the original article. Staff attempted to resuscitate Chopper

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Speaker 2: the citatunga, but you know what they say, once you

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Speaker 2: get bit by a pygmy hippo, there's no going back anyway.

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Speaker 2: It's unclear what motivated Jahari to go after his fellow

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Speaker 2: zoo resident. The San Diego Zoo says that little is

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Speaker 2: known about the behavior of pygmy hippos in their native habitat,

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Speaker 2: but most sources I've read report that the animals are

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Speaker 2: shy and reclusive. Full size hippos are known for being aggressive,

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Speaker 2: but their smaller cousins are not. In fact. Over on

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Speaker 2: the Meat Eater podcast, we just had a really great

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Speaker 2: chat with a couple of professional hunters who operate in Tanzania.

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Speaker 2: According to those fellas, one would go straight to hell

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Speaker 2: for killing something as cute as a pygmy hippo. Perhaps

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Speaker 2: t Sahari was working on his rep you know life

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Speaker 2: on the inside Kick someone's ass the first day kind

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Speaker 2: of thing, you know. Jokes aside, I just like this

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Speaker 2: story for the fact that I'm positive everyone at the

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Speaker 2: zoo did their level best to make sure these two

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Speaker 2: would hit it off. But humans observing animals will not

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Speaker 2: always produce the Coroact conclusion. For all we know, despite

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Speaker 2: the lack of barred fangs or raised hackles, or twitching

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Speaker 2: tails or laid back ears, those two could have been

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Speaker 2: talking royal rumble type smack through the fence the entire time.

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Speaker 2: Thanks to Mike Ortiz for sending us that story. This

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Speaker 2: week we've got bears, legislation, and wolves, plus so much more.

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Speaker 2: But first, I'm going to tell you about my week.

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Speaker 2: In My week was great. The lady and I hitched

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Speaker 2: up the camper and headed out for one more turkey tour.

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Speaker 2: We hiked a lot of miles and located one talkative

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Speaker 2: bird on public land, which required way a raging spring

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Speaker 2: run off swollen river, and as I am the only

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Speaker 2: one who brought waiters, Sam got a ride on my

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Speaker 2: shoulders and then we spooked the bird and back across

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Speaker 2: the river we went. But we had the roost location,

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Speaker 2: so after on axing our way around the country, knocking

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Speaker 2: off bits of BLM State and Forest Service ground for

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Speaker 2: the rest of the day, which turned up exactly zero

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Speaker 2: gobbles on public ground. We decided to head back and

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Speaker 2: check out Old Tom's roost tree, which was only a

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Speaker 2: couple of hours down the road. Now the girlfriend's turkey

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Speaker 2: killing drive ebbed a bit with the idea of sitting

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Speaker 2: and waiting in the hot evening sun surrounded by ticks

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Speaker 2: for Old Thomas's return, so it was up to me

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Speaker 2: to head into the tick infested river bottom solo. Only

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Speaker 2: one problem, no gun. I had left the shotgun leaning

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Speaker 2: up on the trailer tongue at our last stop, again,

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Speaker 2: just a couple short hours away. I wish I could

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Speaker 2: say that's the first time I've left a shotgun all

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Speaker 2: by its lonesome. Uh. Not a ton of fun driving

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Speaker 2: back to pick it up. Leaving the turkey potential was tough,

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Speaker 2: but not as bad as just knowing you'd run over

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Speaker 2: a shotgun, possibly with the truck, but definitely with the

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Speaker 2: five thousand pound camper. Well. When we found it, there

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Speaker 2: were tire tracks on the sling, but everything else appeared

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Speaker 2: in working condition. It was way too late to turn

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Speaker 2: back for the Tom so we had a lovely camp

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Speaker 2: out surrounded by a giant Eastern Montana sunset and a

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Speaker 2: prolific junebug hatch. June bug is a general name for

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Speaker 2: a small reddish beetle that hatches at night kind of

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Speaker 2: spring through the summer months. They are chafers, which is

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Speaker 2: Greek for leaf eater. And more importantly, Jim Carrey's line

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Speaker 2: and dumb and dumber, No thanks, swallowed a big june

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Speaker 2: bug coming over the past. Remember that one? Well, not likely, okay, unless,

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Speaker 2: of course, he was referencing a cockchafer beetle, which I'm

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Speaker 2: sure you can guess is more of a European thing,

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Speaker 2: june bug, which max is out at twenty MILLI. So

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Speaker 2: sorry to ruin a classic film for you all. You

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Speaker 2: can't do that, cannot Stanton, can't do double stand it

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Speaker 2: Noah Rasis cannot triple Stanton. No eraces tough flod make

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Speaker 2: it true.

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Speaker 1: You can't trouble Stampa double stamp.

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Speaker 2: You can't trouble Stampa doubles damp light anyway. Another fantastic

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Speaker 2: example of dry, desolate prairies magically springing to life. I'm

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Speaker 2: sure that hatch would have made for some happy turkeys,

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Speaker 2: but they are not nocturnal. Moving on to the bear desk,

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Speaker 2: a brown bear in Italy is at the center of

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Speaker 2: a legal battle after prosecutors say it attacked and killed

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Speaker 2: a jogger earlier this year. Thanks to listener Johannah Rosenbaum

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Speaker 2: for sending this one in. The incident occurred during the

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Speaker 2: first week of April in a region of northern Italy

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Speaker 2: known as Trentino, Alto Adage or Edigy. Maybe twenty six

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Speaker 2: year old Andrea at Poppy was running in the Alps

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Speaker 2: when he was attacked by what local authority said was

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Speaker 2: a seventeen year old female bear who had attacked a

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Speaker 2: father and daughter in twenty twenty. The bear, who goes

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Speaker 2: by the name JJ four I'm sure not her given name,

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Speaker 2: was set to be euthanized until animal rights activists sued.

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Speaker 2: A court ordered that the bear not be killed, and

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Speaker 2: it was instead fitted with a GPS collar and tract. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 2: the batteries on the collar ran out and were never replaced.

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Speaker 2: Prosecutors say that the DNA found at this latest crime

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Speaker 2: the DNA collection methods were faulty and that the bite

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Speaker 2: They also said the autopsy showed quote a protracted attempt

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Speaker 2: News is calling a high security enclosure. No word yet

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Speaker 2: on what the Pygmy Hippo gang thinks about this newest inmate.

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Speaker 2: But if I was that bear, I'd watch my back.

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Speaker 2: Bears might be able to get away with murder in Italy,

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Speaker 2: Listener Casey Stephenson wrote in to tell me about an

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Speaker 2: adolescent black bear that was shot in southeast Washington for

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Speaker 2: not doing much more than walking where it shouldn't. Casey

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Speaker 2: mox e. This is like in the Greater Yakima region, okay.

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Speaker 2: He tells me that the local sheriff's deputy shot the

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Speaker 2: segment on Kima identifies the bear as a brown bear

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Speaker 2: and shows a picture of a big, old grizzly But

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Speaker 2: the video from the incident clearly shows a young, young

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Speaker 2: law of black bears and grizzly bears. But this is

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Speaker 2: grizzly bear. How's that. The news anchor says that the

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Speaker 2: Washington Department of Fishing Wildlife made the call to kill

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Speaker 2: season a few years ago. That's a whole saga we

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Speaker 2: won't get into now, but it brings up another tricky

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Speaker 2: and important question. Does bear hunting reduce conflict between humans

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Speaker 2: and bears? Other states, like New Jersey, are seeing an

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Speaker 2: uptick in bear sightings and attacks, and many, including the

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Speaker 2: New Jersey governor, have suggested a limited bear hunt to

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Speaker 2: help reduce the frequency of those incidents. Hunters kill bears,

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Speaker 2: the theory goes, which means fewer bears on the landscape,

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Speaker 2: which you certainly adds up. Fewer bears in the landscape

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Speaker 2: up this theory. In twenty twenty, a group of researchers

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Speaker 2: published a peer reviewed study that found that hunting does

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Speaker 2: complaints were influenced by several factors, including a Minnesota Department

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Speaker 2: conflicts by securing their garbage. Complaints were also influenced by

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Speaker 2: the local garbage dump. Hunting also played a role in

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Speaker 2: significantly reducing the number of bear related complaints over the

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Speaker 2: study period. Increased bear harvest beginning the nineteen eighties resulted

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Speaker 2: nineties and an even sharper decline through two thousand and seven.

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Speaker 2: Along with limiting the overall population, researchers hypothesize that hunters

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Speaker 2: end up targeting potential problem bears that are attracted to bait.

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Speaker 2: They also target mature females during times when natural foods

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Speaker 2: aren't available, because females need more calories to grow and

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Speaker 2: raise cubs. The researchers in this study didn't speculate on

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Speaker 2: which of these three factors hunting, public education, and natural

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Speaker 2: foods are most important for reducing conflicts, but they do

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Speaker 2: concld that the black bear population is directly associated with

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Speaker 2: the number of complaints and that hunting is one tool

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Speaker 2: of many to reduce the frequencies of those conflicts. So

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Speaker 2: Casey could be right. While the black bear population in

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Speaker 2: Washington is dependent on several other factors besides hunting, it

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Speaker 2: is reasonable to assume that limiting hunter harvest will result

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Speaker 2: in an increased population that has the potential to produce

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Speaker 2: more human bear conflict. It's not a simple one to

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Speaker 2: one association, but it's not rocket science to say if

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Speaker 2: you kill a bunch of bears, there's going to be

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Speaker 2: fewer bears to cause trouble. Now, I do have to

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Speaker 2: because it's all good science. If you take like a

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Speaker 2: of that, if you're cruising the logging roads like I am,

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Speaker 2: looking for bears and turkeys, you may have found yourself

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Speaker 2: in need of a chainsaw, maybe one that doesn't sound

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Speaker 2: like you're falling timber out of commercial operations, a sneaky

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Speaker 2: little saw like an MSA two twenty let's say clean,

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Speaker 2: quiet battery power chainsaw. Where do you get one? Check

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Speaker 2: out www dot steel dealers dot com to find a local,

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Speaker 2: knowledgeable steel dealer near you. They're gonna get you set

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Speaker 2: up with what you need and they're not going to

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Speaker 2: try to send you home with what you don't. Thanks again,

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Speaker 2: and I'll talk to you next week. He of the

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Speaker 2: time has come up