Speaker 1: Look mare. Oh, I see you my own and look
Speaker 1: over there is that culture. Yes, goodness, ding lost dog.
Speaker 2: My girl crossed her arms before I counted down for
Speaker 2: the opening of this very fabulous podcast, Last Culturistas, Can
Speaker 2: you talk about your body language for a bit?
Speaker 1: So we're gonna get into lots of stuff that happened
Speaker 1: on our trip to Europe, but let's just say suffice
Speaker 1: it to say right now, I am still without my bags.
Speaker 1: I am still without my bags from the trip. I
Speaker 1: am recording this podcast episode on an old microphone. It's
Speaker 1: a very long story. They did lose my bags three
Speaker 1: times on this trip. I still do not have them.
Speaker 1: My podcast mic is in there and I just got word,
Speaker 1: just got word before we started that actually Ita Airways
Speaker 1: Ita Airways, which is like the Italian Airline. I guess
Speaker 1: guy team sky Team.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: They because of their I don't know, a failure in
Speaker 1: how they do what they do. My bag is sitting
Speaker 1: at LAX and if I don't get there in a
Speaker 1: few hours to be able to pick my bag up,
Speaker 1: they're going to send it to Central Bag in Atlanta
Speaker 1: or something. It's just been a complete nightmare, and I
Speaker 1: am someone who's gone through life without ever losing any
Speaker 1: bags until this trip when my bag was lost in
Speaker 1: three different cities.
Speaker 2: It really makes you go, why check a bag ever?
Speaker 1: Oh honey, And first of all, I want to say,
Speaker 1: let me not erase the fact that Bowen Yang's bag
Speaker 1: was also lost.
Speaker 2: But Honey, I am really making space for my sister
Speaker 2: here because what you have gone through feels like I
Speaker 2: felt like fucking Sandra Bullock at the end of Gravity
Speaker 2: when I got home from this hellish journey tumbling through
Speaker 2: the void.
Speaker 1: I'm literally picturing you just like trying to learn you
Speaker 1: to use your feet again, like in your apartment, like well,
Speaker 1: in the background, it's.
Speaker 2: Like I didn't watch that movie again.
Speaker 1: That's the iconic score of Gravity, which is just like
Speaker 1: a woman screaming in the dock like yeah, I'm just
Speaker 1: like I love it. And you know what, like what
Speaker 1: a beautiful moment to illustrate the power of women and
Speaker 1: that sustained belt as Sandra Bullock pulled herself up off
Speaker 1: that nasty beach that she crash landed on from space
Speaker 1: up honey, while after she was careening. Wow, Sandra, Sandra,
Speaker 1: you did that. You I'm sorry, but bo, what's ten
Speaker 1: minus two?
Speaker 2: What is the number of badges per Pokemon region?
Speaker 1: Bitch? How many continents plus one?
Speaker 2: Girl?
Speaker 1: How many planets? Now that they took pootle out?
Speaker 2: Well, how many studio albums does Beyonce have cut to
Speaker 2: me counting? I think that's right right, hold on, let
Speaker 2: me let me see Cowboy Carter is the eighth studio album.
Speaker 1: Thank god, wowy it is okay. I was gonna say,
Speaker 1: can we do it?
Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, here we go?
Speaker 1: Are they counting the one with jay Z? I never
Speaker 1: really do that?
Speaker 2: Here we go dangerously andgerously b Da, b Day, Sasha Fear,
Speaker 2: Sasha four, self titled Lemonade Renaissance, and Cowboy Carver. So that, yeah,
Speaker 2: not even counting the Carter's not even counting any joint albums.
Speaker 1: Which I personally that's my counton. Like when I think
Speaker 1: about Beyonce, I think of for us having eight studio
Speaker 1: albums for sure.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, well oh yeah, And let's get back on
Speaker 2: the subject of your bag. So I'm just gonna I'm
Speaker 2: just gonna supplement mass experience here by saying that when
Speaker 2: we get to Amsterdam, all very excited see Taylor Swift.
Speaker 2: First of all, our flight was delayed by a few hours,
Speaker 2: no problem. The six of us were posted up in
Speaker 2: the Delta lounge. It happened speaking whatever it happens, no problem.
Speaker 2: But we get to Amsterdam and we got to say, away,
Speaker 2: what a wonderful look at company that has really served
Speaker 2: us a nice streamline design for several years. Now, it's
Speaker 2: gone to the point where, at least in America, at
Speaker 2: least in the States, too many people have them and
Speaker 2: there are only a limited amount of color ways, so
Speaker 2: that you are bound to get your bag mixed up
Speaker 2: with someone else's, which is exactly what happened to Matt.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can no longer encourage people to buy this
Speaker 1: product because it has no longer become tenable in you know,
Speaker 1: carousel and baggage carousels, because what had happened was we
Speaker 1: get to the baggage carousel in Amsterdam and my bag
Speaker 1: does not come out, and I think, okay, it's okay,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna panic. Then I see someone else's bag,
Speaker 1: not even on the carousel, off the carousel, with a
Speaker 1: name tag on it that has someone's full name. And
Speaker 1: by the way, this is a dark blue standing hard
Speaker 1: case away bag and it had a bright orange tag
Speaker 1: on it. That said this woman's full name and all
Speaker 1: of her information, and I thought, let me call this
Speaker 1: number because I'm sure she just took my bag thinking
Speaker 1: it's her point of buying the orange tag, is my honey.
Speaker 1: This is where I start to get really frustrated. And
Speaker 1: you know how frustrated I got, because what did I
Speaker 1: do to that carousel? Oh?
Speaker 2: I don't want to I didn't want to say this.
Speaker 1: I want to show up today in my truth.
Speaker 2: Okay, bless you, sister, and I respect you to the
Speaker 2: mountains and back my sister. Matt Rogers, in his expression
Speaker 2: of anger, kicked the carousel.
Speaker 1: I kicked it.
Speaker 2: But that's okay. It's like, you know, I'm being dead ass,
Speaker 2: like anytime someone like punches a wall, you know, Adam
Speaker 2: Driver's it, like anytime someone like hits Thank god, it's
Speaker 2: not a living thing, but like you know, you know, Matt,
Speaker 2: this is someone. And I will speak on Matt's athletic
Speaker 2: prowess in another story and another travel anecdote that happened
Speaker 2: on this tree. My god, you know what I'm talking about. Yes,
Speaker 2: I know, but Matt really kicked the girl and it
Speaker 2: gagged us. We were like, she's angry and she has
Speaker 2: every right to be.
Speaker 1: Suffice it to say, we got in touch with the
Speaker 1: woman who immediately burst into tears and her boyfriend because
Speaker 1: she couldn't face me. Her boyfriend came back with the bag,
Speaker 1: and it was like, yeah, thanks and thank god, but
Speaker 1: can I ask a question how? And if you are
Speaker 1: the kind of person who does this and listens to
Speaker 1: this podcast, I need you to turn off the podcast.
Speaker 1: And if you're driving, you need to drive off the road.
Speaker 1: You need to Steve krrel In Morning Show. Because anyone
Speaker 1: that just goes to that carousel grabs a bag that
Speaker 1: they thinks is theirs and doesn't check the bag tag
Speaker 1: to make sure. In a world where away luggage is
Speaker 1: everywhere and everyone is pretty much the same bag, you
Speaker 1: are a monster because this added a lot of time
Speaker 1: and a lot of stress. And thankfully, like at least
Speaker 1: prior to the trip, you had your wits about you
Speaker 1: because you put a bag tag on your luggage. If
Speaker 1: only you had thought to use that bagtag. So a
Speaker 1: couple hours later we finally get it back and honestly,
Speaker 1: Amsterdam was lovely, was it not?
Speaker 2: Amsterdam was so lovely?
Speaker 1: Taylor Swift, the woman that you are, you.
Speaker 2: Are fucked up for singing Archer into question for your piano,
Speaker 2: and not to mention Guilty of Sin into Untouchable, which
Speaker 2: is so underrated.
Speaker 1: I can't describe what it felt like. First of all,
Speaker 1: it's kind of like it's even higher stakes than like
Speaker 1: waiting to find out if you want an award. It's actually,
Speaker 1: you know what, I would like it too. I would
Speaker 1: liken it to the finale of American Idol when the
Speaker 1: final two contestants are standing there locked arm in arm,
Speaker 1: looking at the floor like weighing their future. That's what
Speaker 1: it feels like before Taylor Swift starts to sing one
Speaker 1: of the surprise songs, and when she started Guilty as
Speaker 1: Sin on July fourth, twenty twenty four, like Kelly, I
Speaker 1: felt like when they said the words Kelly Clarkson and.
Speaker 2: That you were Kelly Clarkson herself, we all were well, yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean I think we all experienced chemically, like on
Speaker 2: a neuro logical level, like what Kelly Clarkson must have
Speaker 2: felt like the day that she wanted America, the moment
Speaker 2: she want American Idol.
Speaker 1: Oh my, we collect God, we literally bo what. I
Speaker 1: think the last time I felt that way was when
Speaker 1: we were there and she did.
Speaker 2: Clean no you, but you also felt that way when
Speaker 2: she did Death by a thousand cuts, Death by a
Speaker 2: thousand cuts, he said, in your famous words, as if
Speaker 2: a great leader had passed away, which.
Speaker 1: Literally seventy five thousand people screaming, wailing at the sky,
Speaker 1: like we had lost someone who was crucial to the
Speaker 1: success of our humanity. Uh huh, but in a positive way,
Speaker 1: like no one could believe it. Guilty as sin starts
Speaker 1: coming out of her mouth. Holy shit, to say nothing
Speaker 1: of how good the Tortured Poets section was. And can
Speaker 1: you just talk about this.
Speaker 2: This is what we want to say. If there has
Speaker 2: been any doubt, no doubt that has been born out
Speaker 2: of us in the way we've talked about Tortured Poet's
Speaker 2: Department on this podcast. Nope, seeing it live, it all
Speaker 2: fucking just clicked. I really love that album. I adore
Speaker 2: it now. After seeing it live and seeing just like
Speaker 2: I don't know, on a shrooms level, I was like, well,
Speaker 2: this is perfect hundred. I was like, oh, I get it.
Speaker 2: She wrote a nineteen seventy five album, and she just
Speaker 2: she wrote a better nineteen seventy five album than Maddie
Speaker 2: could have ever written. It's so cool what she's done,
Speaker 2: that's all.
Speaker 1: There was a moment where after the Torture Poets section
Speaker 1: and the aerostore, so after I can do it with
Speaker 1: a broken heart, which, by the way, is the moment
Speaker 1: of the whole show. I mean, the production is nuts
Speaker 1: on it. Bowen turns to me and he goes, I
Speaker 1: feel like I already loved it, but now I truly
Speaker 1: get this album. And I just tossed over my shoulder.
Speaker 1: She's depressed, and then Bowen goes. Bowen goes, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: I was like, she was depressed, she got love bombed,
Speaker 1: and then she wrote an album about it. You're actually
Speaker 1: also getting me fresh out of therapy, fresh out the slammer,
Speaker 1: so I said to my therapist today. I was like, so,
Speaker 1: because I didn't know if I told you this, but
Speaker 1: I've known for a couple of years now that there's
Speaker 1: something about midnights for me. And anytime any by the way,
Speaker 1: someone that were a very close with I would never
Speaker 1: say their name, calls it flop nights, and I'm shaking
Speaker 1: with what I What I have to say about midnights.
Speaker 1: Midnights is that girl, and midnights is my last relationship.
Speaker 1: Every single song speaks to that experience, to the I
Speaker 1: had this epiphany the other night where I was like,
Speaker 1: listening to it because I've been watching like they do
Speaker 1: this stupid shit on YouTube board. It's like, I listened
Speaker 1: to Midnight for the first time, I listen to folk
Speaker 1: love for the first time, like, and that's just how
Speaker 1: I choose to turn my brain off lately. And someone
Speaker 1: did it with Midnights and was breaking it down and
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh my god, I lived this. I lived
Speaker 1: this album, and you talked about this in therapy oh
Speaker 1: extensively today. And then I was like, and then I
Speaker 1: feel like Tortured Poets is a perfect hangover after Midnights.
Speaker 2: I think Midnights is their strongest concept. M It's not
Speaker 2: my favorite, it's her best concept to me if we
Speaker 2: talk about those with the concept album artist, Yeah, but
Speaker 2: I love that you have made this connection in your
Speaker 2: own life.
Speaker 1: It will always be important to me because literally Lavender
Speaker 1: Hayes into Maroon, into anti Heroo, I identify with and
Speaker 1: into Snow at the Beach, which, by the way, justice
Speaker 1: for Snow at the Beach. That song is fucking amazing.
Speaker 1: I think it's even better when they released the version
Speaker 1: with even that's an even better version, and then until
Speaker 1: You're on your own kid, and then it's in Midnightrain,
Speaker 1: I said, no, this album is and then forget about Boen.
Speaker 1: What was your favorite part of the concert, be honest.
Speaker 2: The dueled, the duel. Yeah, it's always gonna be the Jeweled.
Speaker 2: Just I mean just even the bracelets lighting up around
Speaker 2: the stadium into jewel tones, the way that all of
Speaker 2: these gems like on the screen morph into her face.
Speaker 2: I'm like, come on, like this is ridiculous.
Speaker 1: It's such an important moment on the concert because guess
Speaker 1: what you and I'm talking to you the re I'm
Speaker 1: definitely talking to you. The katies. I know you need this.
Speaker 1: You need to hear this. Everyone needs to hear this.
Speaker 1: You can still make the whole room shimmer. You can.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, best believe you are still bejeweled. This woman,
Speaker 2: I have it on good authority. Did our show with
Speaker 2: the Sidus infection?
Speaker 1: Yep?
Speaker 2: She was wiping away snot and I can confirm you
Speaker 2: know what. I find it so refreshing because it's like
Speaker 2: seeing Jonathan Groff like spit at the whole audience, Like
Speaker 2: it's like being in the splash, don' a merrily we
Speaker 2: roll along. It's like, yeah, these people have fluids inside
Speaker 2: of them, just like you and me.
Speaker 1: It's real culture number eighteen. Yeah, these people have luids
Speaker 1: inside of them, just like you and me.
Speaker 2: You know what, I was talking about this with Lily Gladstone.
Speaker 2: There is nothing wrong with talking about chit or toilet
Speaker 2: humor quote unquote or poop piss things coming out of
Speaker 2: your mouth, because that is those are actually the only
Speaker 2: universe human experiences.
Speaker 1: One hundred thousand percent. More people shit then feel happy, sad, excited, surprised.
Speaker 2: And more angry.
Speaker 1: Like everyone shits, not everyone feels every emotion. And you
Speaker 1: know there's some sociopaths out there. They might not feel
Speaker 1: every emotion, they might not have empathy, but they do shit.
Speaker 1: And that is the equalizer.
Speaker 2: That is the equalizer.
Speaker 1: She one hundred percent during Cruel Summer, at the end
Speaker 1: when she's going with you, with you, she tossed her
Speaker 1: shoulder over and she looked, she knew where you were,
Speaker 1: and she gave us a with you and we screamed,
Speaker 1: We screamed.
Speaker 2: Tailor.
Speaker 1: Love her anyway, Bravata Taylor.
Speaker 2: Okay, so we do Amsterdam then July fifth, We're supposed
Speaker 2: to border flight to Catania, which is on the eastern
Speaker 2: coast of Sicily. We get to the airport, we lounge
Speaker 2: in the lounge, as you do looking forward to our trip.
Speaker 2: Matt and I had checked our bags along with some
Speaker 2: of our other friends, and we go to the lounge.
Speaker 2: Then we get to the gate after some delays, which
Speaker 2: we don't think anything of, just I think there was
Speaker 2: three or four delays total, just like a little inching
Speaker 2: delays like thirty minutes, thirty minutes, thirty minutes, thirty minutes,
Speaker 2: two hours. All told, we were like, no problem. We
Speaker 2: get to the gate, I look at the monitor and
Speaker 2: see that the flight is canceled. Canceled, What, oh my god?
Speaker 2: What do we do? Then we all go back to
Speaker 2: the lounge. On the way back to the lounge, all
Speaker 2: of us pull up our phones and see that all
Speaker 2: of our flights have been rebooked to different flights essentially
Speaker 2: except Matt and I have been booked to the same
Speaker 2: one because we booked our flights basically together on the
Speaker 2: same confirmation. These rebookings are for like not like a
Speaker 2: few hours later, but like two days later.
Speaker 1: Days later. So then we think oh, there must be
Speaker 1: something really wrong, and also this can't be right. So
Speaker 1: we go to the lounge and we ask the women
Speaker 1: working at our airlines lounge, like, hey, do you know
Speaker 1: what's going on with these flights? Oh? Yes, all those
Speaker 1: flights have been canceled. And the woman who will go
Speaker 1: down in history as one of the great deliverers of
Speaker 1: any lines ever for all time, turns to us and says,
Speaker 1: it is because the volcano has erupted. It is the eruption.
Speaker 1: This is the reason.
Speaker 2: Six gay men face cracked all at once.
Speaker 1: This is the reason I said, any time you ever
Speaker 1: deliver bad news from now on, you have.
Speaker 2: To end it with this is the reason. Title of that.
Speaker 1: It is the volcano. It is erupted.
Speaker 2: This is the reason. Now. To be honest, I heard
Speaker 2: that and I was like what. And I was like
Speaker 2: I don't I think she's making this up. It can't
Speaker 2: be and like where is there a volcano in Sicily,
Speaker 2: Like I did not. I listen. This is where you go. God.
Speaker 2: I wish I could have worked at like a wine
Speaker 2: bar or something. Because Mount Etna, one of the few
Speaker 2: and maybe biggest act of volcanoes in Europe, erupts at
Speaker 2: such a regular interval that like the soil there is amazing.
Speaker 2: The grapes that come out of there are world class.
Speaker 2: Some of the best wines, some the best Italian wines
Speaker 2: you could ever get, are from Sicily, are from another
Speaker 2: ETNA region. But Mount Enna had erupted, with spewing lava
Speaker 2: covering the town of continue in ash. The airport was closed.
Speaker 1: Because obviously, once the atmosphere is affected in that way,
Speaker 1: you cannot fly in and out, which totally fair. Of course,
Speaker 1: we think, okay, act of God. Whatever. So now we're
Speaker 1: just like, we literally have a moment where we're saying, okay,
Speaker 1: so because the volcano has erupted, tragedy has struck an
Speaker 1: act of God, maybe we're not even going to Sicily. Heartbreaking.
Speaker 1: We start to decide where else in the world we
Speaker 1: should go. We start thinking, maybe we'll go to Baja Maar. Maybe.
Speaker 1: Do you remember when we almost went to Baja mar.
Speaker 2: And then I looked up flights. We would have had
Speaker 2: to pay four figures to travel twenty five hours total
Speaker 2: with layout, so.
Speaker 1: That was not in the cards. Then we find out, oh,
Speaker 1: the airport in Catania is reopening, and we're like, well, okay,
Speaker 1: so are the flights back on, No, they are not.
Speaker 1: That only we in that three hour window, I guess
Speaker 1: lose the flight. Everyone else rebooks for that same day,
Speaker 1: et cetera. So we deal with the legends. These women
Speaker 1: were legends.
Speaker 2: At the kale Lounge because so we checked in it
Speaker 2: was a Kalem flight. So Kalem is the sky Team
Speaker 2: in the Netherlands, like the sky Team airline in the Netherlands.
Speaker 2: They're partnered with Asta Airways. More on that later, but
Speaker 2: we talked to these women at the Kalem Lounge. Two
Speaker 2: really were legendary.
Speaker 1: They were legendary. They got us rebooked on another situation.
Speaker 1: So the four boys we were with were gonna get
Speaker 1: into Catanya like four hours prior to me and Bowen,
Speaker 1: who we're going to get there on a little bit
Speaker 1: of a later flight. We couldn't all work that out whatever,
Speaker 1: So then we got the next day, Bowen and I
Speaker 1: land in Catania. All the boys are there already. They're
Speaker 1: sending us these pictures of our like this hotel, the
Speaker 1: Villa St. Andrea where we were staying. It was so beautiful.
Speaker 1: We had everyone that worked there was so incredible. It's
Speaker 1: just such an amazing experience, but they're sending us these
Speaker 1: pictures of them splashing around in the sea. We land,
Speaker 1: our bags are not there again.
Speaker 2: And at this point we wait in line in the
Speaker 2: chaotic Catania airport. Oh honey, And I must bring up
Speaker 2: and I brought this up to Matt when we landed.
Speaker 2: I said, there's that thirty Rock quote where it's both
Speaker 2: a Jenna and Jack quote, because Jack sets it up
Speaker 2: early on in the episode where he goes, this has
Speaker 2: Manhattan real estate, Liz, there are no rules like check
Speaker 2: in at an Italian airport.
Speaker 1: No rules.
Speaker 2: Then later on Jenna tells Liz, well, this has Manhattan
Speaker 2: real estate, Liz, there are no rules like check in
Speaker 2: at an Italian sex party. The chaos of an Italian
Speaker 2: airport is unmatched. And I've been to Asia and some
Speaker 2: of these Asian airports are crazy, but not as crazy
Speaker 2: as all of the airports in Italy, and I mean
Speaker 2: all of them. I'm sorry to generalize.
Speaker 1: No, it was shocking. It was shocking. But then we
Speaker 1: will say this. When we got to the front of
Speaker 1: the Lost and Found at Katania Airport, we were dealing
Speaker 1: with truly the one legend that worked there, which is
Speaker 1: that woman with that wonderful haircut. Remember she had that
Speaker 1: like crazy like blunt brunette.
Speaker 2: Biangled blunt brunette bob. She had Bayonetta glasses. She looked
Speaker 2: fierce and she was doing her best, and she was
Speaker 2: very patient with us because I did get her seat
Speaker 2: unfortunately chewed out by an Italian man ahead of us.
Speaker 2: And this woman just wanted a nice person to talk
Speaker 2: to her, and we were willing to bet those people,
Speaker 2: even after all we've been through. But we told her,
Speaker 2: these are our bags, this is where we're staying. By
Speaker 2: the way, I love your haircuting glasses, and she kind
Speaker 2: of looks at me and goes, I think her thought
Speaker 2: was Jeane, and then she just kept looking for the bags.
Speaker 1: Frocha Jeane was definitely a subtext of almost everything anyone
Speaker 1: said to us. In fact, when we so a couple
Speaker 1: days later, like cut to we go to the resort,
Speaker 1: it's stunning, it's beautiful. A few days later, we were
Speaker 1: actually on a boat and some guys who were cruising
Speaker 1: past us did yell the words frojacine at our boat,
Speaker 1: but Bowen I wasn't really able to hear it. And
Speaker 1: that's because earlier that day I had been stung by
Speaker 1: a jellyfish. The jellyfish stung me in the waters, and
Speaker 1: I don't know what happened next, but I do know
Speaker 1: that I lost pretty much all my faculties, either due
Speaker 1: to the sting or heat exhaustion both. So fine, we
Speaker 1: get the bag back I put. I finally put my
Speaker 1: bathing suit on. We get on this damn boat, which
Speaker 1: we were so thrilled to enjoy. The water is so
Speaker 1: clear you could see to the bottom. But we are
Speaker 1: on the boat. I'm sick as shit. But you didn't
Speaker 1: get in the.
Speaker 2: Water, and you were rejunated, and this just confirms that
Speaker 2: you are a troop Heissian like you are of the water.
Speaker 2: But the other creatures of the water that are not
Speaker 2: fish will come and get you.
Speaker 1: They were threatened by me. I think that's what happened.
Speaker 1: They were like, oh, this fish thinks he's somebody sting.
Speaker 1: They got me gal. They took me out, and I
Speaker 1: was miserable on this boat. And if you look at pictures,
Speaker 1: it's just all the guys like jumping in the water
Speaker 1: doing whatever, and me in like a full denim jacket,
Speaker 1: like shaking like a leaf. I was so sick and
Speaker 1: these men cruised by frojacchine f r O c in
Speaker 1: Sultan fulta injury over heard, damn it insulted, injury rallied,
Speaker 1: you rallied.
Speaker 2: You were such a champion that day. And then we
Speaker 2: get home and you were like, I don't think I
Speaker 2: can make it to dinner. And then you you rallied
Speaker 2: yet again to come to dinner. And we had a dinner.
Speaker 1: We certainly had a dinner, and not everyone was their
Speaker 1: best self, but that's for our private knowledge. Everything's fine now,
Speaker 1: it's all water under the bridge. But it got a
Speaker 1: little Housewives at dinner, and I would have preferred it
Speaker 1: not because.
Speaker 2: We had been watching Housewives. But we also didn't mean
Speaker 2: to skip over this. Matt luckily got his bag back.
Speaker 2: I would say, what.
Speaker 1: Two days in?
Speaker 2: Two? Three days in? Yeah, mine was on this delay.
Speaker 2: I found out that it never left Amsterdam. I think
Speaker 2: neither of our bags had left Amsterdam.
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm, so like, oh no, no, no, no, no, Remember
Speaker 1: my bag was in Catania the entire time.
Speaker 2: Your bag wasn't Kntanna the entire time. My bag never
Speaker 2: left Amsterdam. I don't know how that works, but that's
Speaker 2: just to air race for you and I after much delay,
Speaker 2: this lost and Found office in the Catania airport. I
Speaker 2: mean that should be a more invested sector of that
Speaker 2: place because of what I imagine the common cancelation. How
Speaker 2: common the cancelations are there, Like you better have like
Speaker 2: whatever bag retrieval lost and found system there, like be
Speaker 2: rock solid. And it's one guy manning one phone. And
Speaker 2: so our poor concierge, Sandy Legend at the concierge just
Speaker 2: was calling every fifteen minutes to no answer.
Speaker 1: Same haircut as the girl from the airport. By the way,
Speaker 1: did you notice that every woman in Italy who has
Speaker 1: like the Luccia from White Lot to Sicily haircut is
Speaker 1: as much of a sleigh as Luccia is. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: only trust women with that haircut in Italy. It's actually
Speaker 1: ruler culture number thirty. Only trust women with the haircut
Speaker 1: in Italy. The rest of them are not to be trusted.
Speaker 1: And don't I don't even want to talk about the men.
Speaker 2: The men, and I don't know about the men. I
Speaker 2: think you maybe were asleep for this. But we had
Speaker 2: the guys coming over saying gene to us whatever, and
Speaker 2: then we had another guy I remember that and do
Speaker 2: like a little like Kate Blanchette, like limp wrists.
Speaker 1: Yeah no, there we were being attacked at sea.
Speaker 2: But this is the thing, Like all of those guys,
Speaker 2: I'm like not to be all legally blonde the musical,
Speaker 2: but I'm like gay or European. I was like, I
Speaker 2: couldn't tell if it was them like being homophobic or
Speaker 2: them being like, hey, like, y'all gay like us, because
Speaker 2: it's just like, these are gay looking dudes.
Speaker 1: These are gay guys.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, but like, the aesthetic of a gay guy
Speaker 2: is universal, and whatever these men do in the privacy
Speaker 2: of their own bedrooms with whoever they choose to do
Speaker 2: it with, is irrelevant because y'all read gay and it
Speaker 2: renders your fraucioginie or your lympres from your silly little
Speaker 2: boats irrelevant and ineffective. So I actually don't really care
Speaker 2: that they were being homophobic. I really don't A'm like,
Speaker 2: oh whatever.
Speaker 1: First of all, last time I saw a group of
Speaker 1: gays in Italy, Jennifer Coolidge died, so I don't need
Speaker 1: to hear anymore.
Speaker 2: We wake up the morning of July twelfth in Italy.
Speaker 2: Jared had left on an earlier flight He lands in
Speaker 2: Rome early in the morning and texts us I wake
Speaker 2: up before Matt does Texas. Just got to room. A
Speaker 2: bunch of flights Ticotania are canceled. Check yours. I look
Speaker 2: up my flight number. It's canceled.
Speaker 1: Canceled again because of more fumes from the volcano.
Speaker 2: Because of more eruption from the volcano. I walk over
Speaker 2: to Matt's room and I didn't realize what I was doing,
Speaker 2: but rush over to Matt's room, and like he wakes
Speaker 2: up and looks up and goes what And then I freeze.
Speaker 2: Do you remember this? I freeze because I was like,
Speaker 2: I'm about to ruin this man's day, my best friend's day.
Speaker 2: I'm about to ruin it. But you had to tell
Speaker 2: me the truth. I did, oh, I said.
Speaker 1: And he told me the flight was canceled.
Speaker 2: And Matt leapt out of bed with uh, spirited, you're kidding.
Speaker 2: And we were scrambling to find a way out. We
Speaker 2: just wanted to get the fuck out. As much as
Speaker 2: we enjoyed our stay there, it was just too I mean,
Speaker 2: like we had already pushed the day, we already extended
Speaker 2: the stay at the resort because we lost a day
Speaker 2: and a half and because like I was basically there
Speaker 2: with like my luggage on the last day in the
Speaker 2: day and a half as well, and then I immediately
Speaker 2: booked a flight to Paris, where we would have had
Speaker 2: to stay at a hotel airport to then wake up
Speaker 2: the next day and go back to JFK as soon
Speaker 2: as those tickets robot eat to Airways goes just kidding,
Speaker 2: your flight is uncanceled, yeah, giving us like minutes to
Speaker 2: scramble and get the fuck out of that resort from
Speaker 2: Taramina and drive down to continent like the whole Like
Speaker 2: that airline can fucking eat my.
Speaker 1: Ass, choke on my ass? How about that suffocate on
Speaker 1: my ass?
Speaker 2: I can't believe EATA Airways made us do that. Basically
Speaker 2: they're bad.
Speaker 1: They are a bad airline. I don't know how else
Speaker 1: you get in and out of that area of the world.
Speaker 1: But there has to be some other way. There should be,
Speaker 1: like some type of lawsuit that should be able to
Speaker 1: be filed. Like I feel so litigious because not only
Speaker 1: that Bowen, but this whole time, and I'm gonna get
Speaker 1: to Kitty Perry, but this whole time, I'm thinking, well,
Speaker 1: at least we'll get home and there's no reason why
Speaker 1: my bag should go missing a third time. Land in JFK.
Speaker 1: Your bag pops out, mind does not. Okay, now it
Speaker 1: is the last minutes of the trip and I'm without
Speaker 1: my bag. I'm just like, you know what, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: go home. It's July eleventh. The Katy Perry song is out. Yes,
Speaker 1: so I'll be like, you know what, I'll just in
Speaker 1: the car. I'll make myself feel better because I know
Speaker 1: Katy Perry is gonna give something. This is the worst
Speaker 1: song of all time? Can you believe?
Speaker 2: That?
Speaker 1: It's called Woman's World? Produced and written by doctor Luke
Speaker 1: and five other people, including Katie herself. The verse that
Speaker 1: literally they allowed the entire Internet to run with the
Speaker 1: bit that it was a joke never corrected. That is
Speaker 1: actual leave the song. The lyrics to that song are
Speaker 1: actually I've actually only listened to it two times because
Speaker 1: I refuse to give it streams so intelligent, she is,
Speaker 1: what the fuck is she talking about?
Speaker 2: That is kind of like the most minor offense to me,
Speaker 2: I think Jesse David Fox wrote a wonderful piece about
Speaker 2: how just because you call something satire does not make
Speaker 2: it any more elevated. Than does not elevate any part
Speaker 2: of this work, and for her to put out this
Speaker 2: video after the video comes out, being like you can
Speaker 2: do anything, even satire in all caps, and it's just
Speaker 2: her being so uncomfortable on set for this BTS moment,
Speaker 2: being like we're just being yeah, like on the nose
Speaker 2: and like just really like on the nose, and it's
Speaker 2: like supposed to be stupid and we're like being cheeky
Speaker 2: but like it's with a wink, but it's like on
Speaker 2: the nose.
Speaker 1: I don't know what it was. I think that American
Speaker 1: Idol and maybe Vegas made her think that the only
Speaker 1: way forward for her was to be more broad, Like listen,
Speaker 1: it wouldn't even have to be a thing of like
Speaker 1: kind of fuck her if she didn't have doctor Luke
Speaker 1: on it. Like you actually made everyone participate in this
Speaker 1: thing of like oh, the Katy Perry come back, and
Speaker 1: then not only was it incredibly mid, but you're just
Speaker 1: like waving in everyone's face that it's like tormentor of
Speaker 1: a lot of your peers. Because mind you, it's not
Speaker 1: just Kesha that he had a problem with, Like Kelly
Speaker 1: Clarkson also in a deposition, said that he was not
Speaker 1: a good guy and that all she wanted was to
Speaker 1: never work with him again, and the label fucking made her.
Speaker 2: So.
Speaker 1: I don't know what it is with the music industry
Speaker 1: and this fucking dude, but the listeners are not buying it,
Speaker 1: especially when it also sucks what It's a woman's world
Speaker 1: and you're lucky to be living in it. This is
Speaker 1: like a girl power platitude from nineteen ninety nine. This
Speaker 1: is like late nineties, early two thousands. Bullshit, she's a sister,
Speaker 1: she's a.
Speaker 2: Mother, Stream stupid love.
Speaker 1: She's a sister, she's a mother. You wrote teenage Dream, Like,
Speaker 1: what are we doing here? This is a person who
Speaker 1: burst onto the scene with I Kissed a Girl, which was,
Speaker 1: in Bowen's words, serrated first single with personality that was different,
Speaker 1: that was specific.
Speaker 2: This was never the way she planned, not her intention.
Speaker 1: I mean, just read the Pitchfork article, read the cut,
Speaker 1: read like any piece of media that's talked about this,
Speaker 1: and it would be one thing if it was just
Speaker 1: a mid song or a bad song like it happens.
Speaker 1: But you literally went out of your way to be like, no,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be worth it to work with this problematic
Speaker 1: person because at least he's the best at what he does.
Speaker 1: I guess that's not even true anymore, right, and it
Speaker 1: never will be again.
Speaker 2: What's confusing is the lead up to it seemed so
Speaker 2: like they could have done it any other way besides
Speaker 2: the way they did it, which was little drips, little leaks,
Speaker 2: little snippets, little things like actually, we're gonna be the
Speaker 2: ones to release the credits that include doctor Luke. Like
Speaker 2: that was after the snippets lead, and the whole Internet
Speaker 2: was confused, being like what the fuck is this?
Speaker 1: And then like dope, And by the way, they're silent
Speaker 1: about it. Crazy, they're silent about it. She doesn't even
Speaker 1: say like, you know what I see? And I understand
Speaker 1: the response. Here's what I'll say back. It's just nothing.
Speaker 1: It's just a complete disregard.
Speaker 2: The response was that you can do anything, even satire video,
Speaker 2: which I couldn't even make it through because I was
Speaker 2: just like, I like, she's she's just doing like her
Speaker 2: bit voice, and all these background dancers are behind her,
Speaker 2: like sheepishly nervously grinning, being like what the fuck is
Speaker 2: she talking about?
Speaker 1: Oh? The dancers looked like they were yikes, they looked shook.
Speaker 1: I felt bad first of the video's nuts, like especially
Speaker 1: like it ends, like even if it does track a
Speaker 1: satire the way it ends with her holding up a
Speaker 1: ring light in the form of the feminine symbol and
Speaker 1: the TikToker being like, who are you and her going?
Speaker 1: I'm Katie Perry with like the ring light female symbol
Speaker 1: in the air, like what are you talking about?
Speaker 2: It's a tough time. I want to point out something,
Speaker 2: just to move on from a woman's world. Any closing thoughts,
Speaker 2: I feel like you have expressed yourself very very well.
Speaker 1: I mean, I feel bad that the review of this
Speaker 1: song is coming on the heels of this trip where
Speaker 1: my luggage was lost several times and the stakes weren't
Speaker 1: so high for her and not only just for comeback
Speaker 1: but making men around. She could have really turned it around.
Speaker 1: And maybe it's the wrong single, or maybe she just
Speaker 1: sucks now.
Speaker 2: I think there's a knockins razor thing here where it's
Speaker 2: like the simplest explanation is probably the real one. I
Speaker 2: can't A fun moment happened on the flight home, though,
Speaker 2: that before before the torture began. In the words of Riba,
Speaker 2: I was on the plane, I was on the iPad
Speaker 2: watching something while Matt was reading a full lass book.
Speaker 2: And it was a fun little role reversal because it
Speaker 2: was like I was watching season one of the Real
Speaker 2: Housewives of Beverly Hills.
Speaker 1: And living my life. Here's my thing.
Speaker 2: I'm not that in the early seasons of a lot
Speaker 2: of franchises, but specifically Beverly Hills.
Speaker 1: Oh it's so good.
Speaker 2: I was like, God, damn, I can't believe it was
Speaker 2: just right there all along, and this is from the beginning,
Speaker 2: so fucking good, Like wow, I did not realize that
Speaker 2: the Kim and Kyle thing is there from day one,
Speaker 2: from the film episode one.
Speaker 1: It's essentially the main plot of the show. That's why
Speaker 1: I say Kyle is the protagonist because like that's like sure,
Speaker 1: totally that was the show. And the first two seasons
Speaker 1: of Beverly Hills is like what Housewives always is trying
Speaker 1: to be. Yeah, does like certain seasons of different franchises,
Speaker 1: like you know, season nine of Atlanta or even earlier
Speaker 1: in Atlanta two like or season honestly, season four of
Speaker 1: Salt Lake, like season one and two of Beverly Hills
Speaker 1: is like one.
Speaker 2: Of those, right, Like just what I cannot stop thinking
Speaker 2: about is how perfectly distilled of a housewife moment Taylor Armstrong,
Speaker 2: Like the perfectly distilled moment of Taylor Armstrong saying if
Speaker 2: you can't be my friends, please don't be my enemy.
Speaker 1: My enemy.
Speaker 2: It's like that is so the PATHO said that is
Speaker 2: like it feels like the classics. It feels like, oh,
Speaker 2: like it doesn't get better than that.
Speaker 1: Oh, I love it. I mean, so I'm looking over
Speaker 1: in Bowen is like Bowen turns his screen and it's
Speaker 1: just Kim Richard's face in a confessional. And I had
Speaker 1: to laugh because I looked down at my book and
Speaker 1: I was reading Me and Boys by Jeffrey Mack, and
Speaker 1: I was just like literally reading a chapter about how
Speaker 1: like empathy is the only way forward, like the last
Speaker 1: essay in the book is called Me and Boys and
Speaker 1: like it. Actually, this is really interesting and timely because
Speaker 1: it talks about the psychology of a mass shooter and.
Speaker 2: Of just gunmen, people who want to kill people in general,
Speaker 2: right exactly, and just it's usually these broken men.
Speaker 1: And I will say that book was excellent and I
Speaker 1: was really happy that I read it, and I've been
Speaker 1: thinking about it a lot because I've been thinking a
Speaker 1: lot about like the drug culture amongst the gay community.
Speaker 1: I've been thinking a lot about, you know, our collective
Speaker 1: mental health.
Speaker 2: Even after Taylor in your shrooms moment, you had googled
Speaker 2: in the night, why are gay men so sad? Yeah,
Speaker 2: And I think that was And I really told you
Speaker 2: the next day. I was like, I think it's a
Speaker 2: really good thing that you did that. Like, I don't
Speaker 2: think you should be like, don't chalk it up to
Speaker 2: like drugs or anything. It's just like, this is a
Speaker 2: totally valid thing to ask, especially in the summertime, when
Speaker 2: people are all across the fucking spectrum with their emotions,
Speaker 2: whether they're like happy that it's summer, they're with their friends,
Speaker 2: or they're even with their friends in sad and like
Speaker 2: just very morose about like how overwhelming life can be.
Speaker 1: I definitely googled the words why are gay men's so sad?
Speaker 1: And I can tell you that it has a lot
Speaker 1: to do with the fact that, no matter matter how
Speaker 1: happy we think we are, we especially men of our generation,
Speaker 1: have internalized rejection to such an extent that we come
Speaker 1: to expect it so that when it happens it's extra crushing.
Speaker 1: But also it's something that we're like low key used
Speaker 1: to we live every single day with really the ingrained
Speaker 1: idea like really, in our DNA, we are not valuable.
Speaker 1: And so that informs a lot of the way we
Speaker 1: react to each other, the way we treat each other,
Speaker 1: the way that we feel when we see other people
Speaker 1: succeed fail attempt things, the way that we interact with
Speaker 1: one another in romantic situations.
Speaker 2: The way that we adopt like certain conventions within like
Speaker 2: a gay subculture or our culture within that culture. Like
Speaker 2: I think it kind of motivates if a drug use
Speaker 2: in the gay community, Like I think it motivates, like
Speaker 2: why does everyone at basement have the same sunglasses? Like
Speaker 2: I love that they have the same sunglasses. But it's
Speaker 2: just like arbitrary thing of like we all sort of
Speaker 2: adopt these conventions, these literal conventions, these units of the culture,
Speaker 2: and like it's all just like this crazy two mirrors
Speaker 2: facing each other, but it's like actually millions of mirrors
Speaker 2: facing it. It's like it just gets like reflected into infinity,
Speaker 2: and like it just amplifies like the pain and the misery,
Speaker 2: and it's interesting.
Speaker 1: I mean, essentially, I think we're all just trying to
Speaker 1: be cool and individuals and we're all trying to like
Speaker 1: be interesting, and we're trying to find community within community,
Speaker 1: and we're all out here. And a lot of what
Speaker 1: this book talks about is like the way that fashion
Speaker 1: and politics speak to each other and the way that
Speaker 1: culture they say, politics flows downriver from culture. So this
Speaker 1: is this is like one of the ideas in this book.
Speaker 1: And so there's a whole chapter about, you know, people
Speaker 1: going to art Basil and Miami and how that's really
Speaker 1: more about partying, like exclusively about partying and not really
Speaker 1: about art. But on the outset, it feels like something
Speaker 1: that you need to go to and participate in in
Speaker 1: order to be part of the culture. Right, and then
Speaker 1: you go and you're just fucking exhausted and high, and
Speaker 1: then you're like, hold on a second, wait, why did
Speaker 1: I even come here?
Speaker 2: And that sounds like so many things. Yeah, it's like everything.
Speaker 1: It's like going to that party, this thing that being
Speaker 1: pictured this way on Instagram, looking this way, wearing these clothes,
Speaker 1: like essentially all these things are being decided for us
Speaker 1: by someone up top who is really unhappy. So it's
Speaker 1: just and it sounds like a dark book, but and
Speaker 1: in many ways it is, but it was also very
Speaker 1: illuminating and I think very true.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I really really loved I'm gonna read the ending,
Speaker 2: I think forever. I love he ends on this hopeful
Speaker 2: note of like empathy is the only way forward. It's
Speaker 2: like it is the thing that like it makes me
Speaker 2: think of sorry, but like fleabag, like people are all
Speaker 2: we've got, Like other people are all we've got, right,
Speaker 2: that is like the only way out of your the
Speaker 2: prison of your own mind or whatever. Like connection is
Speaker 2: important and community and it is like the building block
Speaker 2: of like an egalitarian society, and like what is happening
Speaker 2: right now in the culture is that like those things
Speaker 2: are being broken down and everyone feels disconnected in all
Speaker 2: these troubling things.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and basic human empathy and understanding is one way
Speaker 1: to really connect with someone else and find that community,
Speaker 1: because you're not gonna find happiness in a sweater or
Speaker 1: a party or a drug, Like you're never gonna find
Speaker 1: lasting happiness in those things. And I don't know, it
Speaker 1: was just it was just really refreshing almost to feel
Speaker 1: it put like that and a lot of reading it
Speaker 1: was very tough, but I recommend it, especially for you know,
Speaker 1: gay men our age or queer people our age really
Speaker 1: or anybody very good. But anyway, that's why, that's what
Speaker 1: I was doing while Bowen was watching Kim and Kyle
Speaker 1: argue in the limo.
Speaker 2: God, Kyle, like, you take that back right now? Or
Speaker 2: just do you hear what you just said? Do you
Speaker 2: hear you said?
Speaker 1: You are a liar and an alcoholic? I love such
Speaker 1: a fucking liar, Camille. Oh God that I would say
Speaker 1: this that back then Kyle had a different personality. Back then,
Speaker 1: Kyle was nasty nice.
Speaker 2: She wasn't what Becka producer Becka says, my husband has
Speaker 2: treated you like a second wife. Jesus.
Speaker 1: But like, wait, have you gotten to the scene where
Speaker 1: Kyle and Kim team up in Bully Brandy Glenville.
Speaker 2: No, Brandy has Yeah, well I do, of course know
Speaker 2: you're a slut peg like that's iconic, Kim Richards right there?
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, Brandy And one she Brandy's like new to
Speaker 1: the show in the second season and she comes in
Speaker 1: on crutches because she's hurt her foot or something, and
Speaker 1: she's over their house and they're being so merciless to her,
Speaker 1: and then they hide her crutches.
Speaker 2: I mean that is monstrous, but also it's Brandy Glanville
Speaker 2: and so and that is like one of the most
Speaker 2: despicable human beings to ever be put on TV.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, listen, I think that's what made her though,
Speaker 1: Like I think that's that was the origin story right there.
Speaker 1: I was like no, because I remember I went back
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, there's Brandy Glanville. I can't
Speaker 1: wait to see how crazy she is. Like here we go.
Speaker 1: And then I'm watching it and I'm like, no, Kyle,
Speaker 1: and like, there be I really mean there they were mean,
Speaker 1: so mean, And it wasn't until years later that like
Speaker 1: or maybe even a couple of years later that like
Speaker 1: Kyle became like sort of like the defacto attagonists who
Speaker 1: we all love and like, you know, the sweet, gooey
Speaker 1: center of Beverly Hills. But you know, it's it's interesting
Speaker 1: to see where where she started.
Speaker 2: It was not what it is now, Producer Becka says,
Speaker 2: except Brandy's son did piss outside.
Speaker 1: Lol.
Speaker 2: Well the thing like Brandy, like I love that We're
Speaker 2: talking about season two of Beverly Hills on this podcast
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty four, but I I just can't believe
Speaker 2: I didn't know about the whole like Brandy fucking ruining
Speaker 2: Adrian's marriage thing.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, no, Like, well, it's crazy.
Speaker 2: This woman has destroyed so many lives.
Speaker 1: She's she's definitely chaotic is a kind word. But I
Speaker 1: also know that she's fucking going through it now and
Speaker 1: I it's a whole fucking thing. Whatever I was. OHC
Speaker 1: is great this season. I love so is Jersey. Oh
Speaker 1: C and Jersey are both giving, but Jersey is just
Speaker 1: wild because the more you watch Teresa's scenes, the more
Speaker 1: you realize what a warped reality she lives in. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: every scene with her is completely berserk. Like in this
Speaker 1: last episode, there's a scene where they like are going
Speaker 1: to a live show she's doing for her podcast, which,
Speaker 1: by the way, Teresa with a podcast is an interesting,
Speaker 1: interesting idea. But she has the women like gather before
Speaker 1: the podcast taping in like this big quiet room, and
Speaker 1: it's just you can tell they're all just like sort
Speaker 1: of trying to find something to talk to her about.
Speaker 1: And jen Aiden is just she's just so.
Speaker 2: Sad.
Speaker 1: You can tell she's such a broken person that she's
Speaker 1: it's coming out in very toxic ways and she was
Speaker 1: not watching What Happens Live the other night and it
Speaker 1: was really weird, and it just the Teresa and Jenn
Speaker 1: of it all. It just has to stop. It's just
Speaker 1: gotta stop. And like, you know, I guess if you
Speaker 1: wanted to continue, then give Teresa her own show and
Speaker 1: will see how many people watch it. But like, this
Speaker 1: is not Housewives of New Jersey anymore. It feels like
Speaker 1: two different shows. One is like Jen and Teresa being
Speaker 1: these like sad, dark clowns, and then the rest of
Speaker 1: it is the Housewives of New Jersey. And I feel
Speaker 1: like that's the show we should be watching.
Speaker 2: But I'm not totally up to be on Jersey. I am.
Speaker 2: We're only one episode into OC at the time of
Speaker 2: this recording, and I'm enjoying it very much. Yeah, Shannon
Speaker 2: Spike and Cameron saying perfect is oh so conic.
Speaker 1: So good. I mean, that was a great episode. And
Speaker 1: I feel like, you know, this is all the pop
Speaker 1: culture of right now? What else? I mean, like a
Speaker 1: gypsy Rose is pregnant, you know, good for her? What else?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 1: Right, there was an assassination attempt on Trump. I guess
Speaker 1: in the grand scheme of things. I just want to say,
Speaker 1: I think it's fucking pathetic the way that the Democrats
Speaker 1: have handled this. I just think it's ridiculous that like
Speaker 1: the thoughts and prayers like we obviously I never want
Speaker 1: this to happen. When is someone just gonna stand up
Speaker 1: and say the truth, which is the fact that one
Speaker 1: of the reasons this can even happen is because the
Speaker 1: man that is the leader of this political party would
Speaker 1: do nothing to stop something like this from happening. Oh,
Speaker 1: you're kidding, someone who spews a violent rhetoric and makes
Speaker 1: this an even more unsafe country to live in day
Speaker 1: after day after day as we take this high road
Speaker 1: towards death, like this guy finally had the violence turned
Speaker 1: around on him. You don't say.
Speaker 2: Well, and then for the response from the Center, because
Speaker 2: that's what they are to be, like, to apologize for
Speaker 2: even existing is so devastating and so sad, and it's
Speaker 2: it's like ceiling the fate of an entire country, world whatever,
Speaker 2: it's like. It's just it's bad, it's really bad.
Speaker 1: Just make it about but let's just make it about guns.
Speaker 1: If you want the gun situation in this country to change,
Speaker 1: you cannot support the GOP. You cannot do it if
Speaker 1: and even if we weren't just gonna make it about that,
Speaker 1: let's make it about abortion. If you want that to
Speaker 1: be an option in this country, an option, you cannot
Speaker 1: support the GOP. Like, I feel like I'm going fucking crazy,
Speaker 1: and obviously, like I don't think Biden is the way forward. Obviously,
Speaker 1: I just think it fuels people that are like, oh, well, Biden,
Speaker 1: I don't know, he can't string two sentences together. Sure,
Speaker 1: while that's true, at least we would still have democracy
Speaker 1: and a chance to change these things. Like huh, I
Speaker 1: feel like I'm living on another planet.
Speaker 2: The effect that it's having on me is like what
Speaker 2: I'm kind of going through at the moment, which is
Speaker 2: just to like ignore ignore it, which is like not constructive,
Speaker 2: not productive. It's just like it's kind of protective for now,
Speaker 2: and I get it. I will come out of it.
Speaker 2: It's just I need this week to be over of
Speaker 2: R and C stuff and then.
Speaker 3: And then who knows, oh my god, and the JD
Speaker 3: events of it all, like the fact that like he
Speaker 3: was out here saying that Trump is Hitler, and like
Speaker 3: the this is literally I mean, it's just it's comical,
Speaker 3: this fucking joke of a human that they've chosen as
Speaker 3: the VP.
Speaker 1: Was out here being like I would never support him.
Speaker 1: I would never vote for him. You're sick if you do.
Speaker 1: He's like Hitler d D. And now he's just like
Speaker 1: gladly signed on the dotted line to be next in
Speaker 1: line to power. Like if you don't see this, you're
Speaker 1: a moron. Like it's it's crazy, bro, it's it's it's nuts.
Speaker 1: But you know, it's a woman's world. We're lucky to
Speaker 1: be living in it. Is there anything happy going on?
Speaker 1: Is there anything good? I like the Kesha single.
Speaker 2: Kesha singles great. I don't know, hard to say.
Speaker 1: We did have fun in Sicily and we did have
Speaker 1: fun in Amsterdam, and Taylor was amazing.
Speaker 2: I really loved those experiences at least on like a
Speaker 2: on a stress level, which is like what I tend
Speaker 2: to like, what motivates me to go on vacation. Like
Speaker 2: it came out a full wash, like with the travel
Speaker 2: stress on the ledger, with the pleasures that were had,
Speaker 2: like it was balance net zero, which is not bad.
Speaker 2: It could be worse.
Speaker 1: Oh, it could have been very a lot worse.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I'm just saying like, ugh, all right, Like
Speaker 2: that that's where I'm at with that vacation for now.
Speaker 2: I'm sure like years from now, I'll like forget about
Speaker 2: like those bad travel memories will flush out sooner than
Speaker 2: the good memories of being in the destinations.
Speaker 1: There was like a moment where I was swimming around
Speaker 1: in the sea and I was so happy to be
Speaker 1: there and I felt like so free, And that's when
Speaker 1: I was just like, you know what, Actually, it's not
Speaker 1: worth it to be like nihilistic and fatalistic about everything.
Speaker 1: Like there's so many beautiful things in the world. There's
Speaker 1: so many experiences to be had. There's so many people
Speaker 1: that are out there that don't want like the negativity
Speaker 1: and the darkness and the you know, fucking hellscape that
Speaker 1: it seems like we're headed towards. I wish that there
Speaker 1: could be projected more positivity, but I also think we're
Speaker 1: in a moment where we need to fucking snap in
Speaker 1: and understand and get that like like, yeah, I hear
Speaker 1: things that we take advantage of, we're taking we take
Speaker 1: it for granted, dude, and I we do.
Speaker 2: I'm not all the way hopeless. I'm just like saying
Speaker 2: right now, the past, yeah, seventy two you know, ninety
Speaker 2: six hours actually have just been a lot. Should we
Speaker 2: move into I don't think so, honey. Sure this is
Speaker 2: I don't think so honey. This is our segment where
Speaker 2: we take one minute to rail again something in culture, Matt,
Speaker 2: Do you have something?
Speaker 1: Do I have something? Uh? Do I have something? I
Speaker 1: feel like this entire episode has been I don't think so, honey.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we can skip it. We can we can make history.
Speaker 1: No, I don't think we can. Sure I have it.
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey.
Speaker 2: Okay, this is Matt Rogers. I don't think so many
Speaker 2: as time starts now, I.
Speaker 1: Don't think so, honey. No trick in parmesan in Italy.
Speaker 2: It's American, Babe, it's an American thunny, it's so American.
Speaker 1: And I that's kind of like at a certain point
Speaker 1: it really was all I wanted. I was like, can
Speaker 1: wait to get a big old piece of chicken covered
Speaker 1: in marinara and cheese. And then it was curiously on
Speaker 1: no menus, and I said, I don' I don't think so,
Speaker 1: honny that I've seen it even offered. Then I come
Speaker 1: to find out when I say it to out loud
Speaker 1: to someone like, well, why is there no chicken parm
Speaker 1: Everyone's like, oh, that's an American thing, and I was like, well,
Speaker 1: that stinks because I think one of the great dishes
Speaker 1: is chicken parmesan. And I'm embarrassed from my lack of culture.
Speaker 1: But how exactly did the chicken parmesan become not only
Speaker 1: such a staple Italian food, but such a Marqueese Italian
Speaker 1: food if it doesn't even happen in Italy or at
Speaker 1: least Sicily, it doesn't even happen there. But yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't think so, honey, But I was not able to
Speaker 1: get that it is my favorite food. I would have
Speaker 1: loved it authentically in Italia, but I guess I'll have
Speaker 1: to go to it's authentic birthplace. What New York?
Speaker 2: I don't think, son, that's one minute. Oh, this happens
Speaker 2: all the time with like quote unquote like cultural foods.
Speaker 2: It's like, there's American niced Chinese food like things on
Speaker 2: a Chinese men. You hear that you would never ever
Speaker 2: find anywhere across the great big country of China.
Speaker 1: I mean, listen, here's what's great for us if we
Speaker 1: want our favorite things that are Italian but not Chinese.
Speaker 1: But not we have them in spades here in America.
Speaker 1: You just can't go get it in a place where
Speaker 1: you'd think they would absolutely knock it out of the park.
Speaker 2: MM, totally.
Speaker 1: Totally. Do you have an I don't think so, honey,
Speaker 1: topic I do.
Speaker 2: It's a little inappropriate, but here we go inappropriate. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you'll see, you'll see why this.
Speaker 1: Is Mowan yangs. I don't think so, honey. As time
Speaker 1: starts now, I.
Speaker 2: Don't think so honey, when cute straight guys aren't gay.
Speaker 2: I was at a wonderful event last night helping to
Speaker 2: support Sean Wang, the director the Oscar nominated director of
Speaker 2: Night nine and Ypo, which is the documentary short that
Speaker 2: was nominated at the Oscars this year. It's on Disney
Speaker 2: Place if you want to check it out to seventeen minutes.
Speaker 2: But he's coming up with the movie on July twenty six,
Speaker 2: called Dedi and it takes place in two thousand and eight.
Speaker 2: It's like a coming of age story taking place in California.
Speaker 2: Of this like Chinese kid who's growing up, the oldest
Speaker 2: sister in thirty second single mom, the grandma's living there
Speaker 2: with them. I have never related to a movie more,
Speaker 2: at least not in a while. Joan Chen is a
Speaker 2: fucking force of nature. She's one of our fucking best.
Speaker 2: Put some respect on the name Joan Chen. Watch Shoeshoe
Speaker 2: The sent Down Girl. Wonderful movie. I can't recommend enough.
Speaker 2: I feel like Sean Wing is the perfect example of
Speaker 2: straight cute guy who is just a wonderful person inside
Speaker 2: and now sing goes for Eric Noam, who's also at
Speaker 2: the dinner. K pop star from Atlanta. Gosh, I mean,
Speaker 2: like they're missing out, We're missing out. It's a shame sometimes,
Speaker 2: you know, like sometimes you just feel that way about
Speaker 2: certain guys. You're like, oh, what a that's a bummer.
Speaker 1: And that's when Minta and change and I have to say,
Speaker 1: I agree with you, sister. I mean, sometimes I'll meet
Speaker 1: a straight who has that thing.
Speaker 2: Ninety nine percent of the time i'll meet a straight guy,
Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, no problem. Even if they're like wonderfully
Speaker 2: attractive or great on paper whatever, I'm like, no problem.
Speaker 2: I can cope with that. But every now and then
Speaker 2: you meet a couple people where you're like.
Speaker 1: Damn, who sticks? Who sticks? They stick?
Speaker 2: And we're like, oh, that's that stings, you know.
Speaker 1: Well, I recently embarrassed myself. It was like a month ago,
Speaker 1: we were doing game show and one of the contestants,
Speaker 1: one of the straight contestants. That's famously the conceit is
Speaker 1: that there's two straight contestants competing, and I had such
Speaker 1: a crush on one of them. And he actually said
Speaker 1: I didn't realize he was in front of me, but
Speaker 1: I said, oh, wowed, like, oh my god, I would
Speaker 1: know it all away if he were ever to decide
Speaker 1: he was gay, et cetera.
Speaker 2: I think I know what you're talking about.
Speaker 1: And he was right there and I didn't even realize
Speaker 1: he was there, and I was so embarrassed, and I
Speaker 1: felt like I had embarrassed him, and I was like,
Speaker 1: oh no, but that was my vulnerable moment. I know.
Speaker 1: But it's okay. It's okay to have a crush, like
Speaker 1: it's just like and honestly, sometimes it's nicer to have
Speaker 1: a crush on a straight person because at least now
Speaker 1: you don't not to deal with any of their bullshit,
Speaker 1: because that's a whole other thing that I'm so annoyed
Speaker 1: about right now, which is like dating in the summer,
Speaker 1: or like trying to engage with guys on the Saturday.
Speaker 1: You're all so annoying. All all anyone wants is attention,
Speaker 1: and then you give them attention.
Speaker 2: And I'm just so over it. I'm so over it.
Speaker 2: Get stay out of my dms. If you're just trying
Speaker 2: to get you, I'm like, no, none of us have
Speaker 2: the time, including you. I'm trying to met you like
Speaker 2: these guys like you. In the words of Jerry Blank,
Speaker 2: bring a book, Bring a book, read a book.
Speaker 1: It's ridiculous, Like when it's like, don't engage with me
Speaker 1: in a way that would suggest you're down to like
Speaker 1: see if there's more if like, if that's not true,
Speaker 1: it's fine. I get it. It's the summer. Everyone wants
Speaker 1: to have their fun like little single, sexy summer. I
Speaker 1: get it.
Speaker 2: Just don't get it.
Speaker 1: Play. Don't play in anyone's face.
Speaker 2: Y'all play too much. You're playing in our faces. But
Speaker 2: I'm encountering on multiple occasions in recent we weeks. And
Speaker 2: I'm not really complaining about this, although I am, because
Speaker 2: it is just kind of like fucking annoying. Is like
Speaker 2: guys talking to me on the apps, like expressing genuine interest, flirting,
Speaker 2: and then oh, I see what the endgame is then
Speaker 2: being like, so, I'm just actually curious if you'd want
Speaker 2: to come on my on the podcast that I started. No,
Speaker 2: I don't want to do that. That's fucking weird. That's
Speaker 2: a weird pretense. And don't fucking do that with people.
Speaker 2: Just don't do that with anybody period. Do not like
Speaker 2: flirt with them textually in the hopes that you can
Speaker 2: book them on your podcast. Get the fuck out. That's
Speaker 2: I can't fucket southetic. It's so weird.
Speaker 1: Sometimes I'm like, I can't even make I don't even know. Like,
Speaker 1: I guess I should just go into every situation now
Speaker 1: just assuming it's like totally platonic and friends and like,
Speaker 1: don't ever assume anything from anyone. But the fact is
Speaker 1: that some of us are thirty four and actually trying
Speaker 1: to find, yeah, a situation.
Speaker 2: And I would say, like, I recommend that mindset, Matt,
Speaker 2: But like, also, I've been doing that for a while now,
Speaker 2: and I can't say that it's like yielded any great results.
Speaker 2: I mean, like, I'm polite, I give people their boundaries.
Speaker 2: It is good to assume platonic pretense. But I am
Speaker 2: also like, oh, but like I wonder if I've missed
Speaker 2: down on things. But that's also like it's impossible, Like
Speaker 2: you're damned if you do, you're damned if you don't.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's it's.
Speaker 2: Like anyway, back to my point, some some really wonderful
Speaker 2: straight guys are out there, and we celebrate you. We
Speaker 2: celebrate Sean Wing. Go check out Dty in theaters. July
Speaker 2: twenty sixth. Fantastic Joan Chen. I will not shut the
Speaker 2: fuck up about Joan Chen. That is one of a talent,
Speaker 2: a talent, Oh my god. And she is the funniest
Speaker 2: motherfucker on set, on any set she's on, I have
Speaker 2: a good authority.
Speaker 1: We love when people earn that, earn that Moniker, funniest.
Speaker 2: Sons, funniest bit, no bitch that on the wedding bank
Speaker 2: when it was Joan motherfucker Chen. Love hera love love
Speaker 2: love hera Hurrah, hurrah speaking the funniest on set. I
Speaker 2: mean congratulations to everyone involved with O Mary Finally on Broadway.
Speaker 2: I saw it on Friday. I mean, just a perfect show,
Speaker 2: a perfect show, and I'm so happy for everyone involved.
Speaker 2: Cole James Scully, Connor, Rick Moa, Hannah Solo.
Speaker 1: Peter Smith, Peter Smith, Sam Pinkleton, everybody, everybody crew, We love.
Speaker 2: Them wonderful, wonderful and go check it out.
Speaker 1: That's some great news, right to feel to feel so
Speaker 1: excited for them, Like, yeah, I mean that's amazing, that's amazing.
Speaker 2: That's one shining light in the void. And I think
Speaker 2: we should. I really love hearing you talk about books.
Speaker 2: I think you should start reading more.
Speaker 1: Well, reading more is so I'm drinking a lot less,
Speaker 1: a lot less, I'm reading more. I'm trying to take
Speaker 1: care of my skin. Honestly, I always been kind of
Speaker 1: nice over the past few days. I'm like because like,
Speaker 1: while I feel like less impetus to go out and
Speaker 1: do things here just because whatever reason, it also like
Speaker 1: keeps me fucking healthy and in my own lane, no problem,
Speaker 1: because New York has been kind of chaotic recently.
Speaker 2: From sure, you know what I've been doing ever since
Speaker 2: I got back, like in a manic way almost is
Speaker 2: doing all my laundry and folding all my bed linens.
Speaker 2: And it's actually really satisfying. And I can fucking fold
Speaker 2: any fitted sheet now, like it's my job and I
Speaker 2: would be happy to do it for anyone.
Speaker 1: Yeah, can I tell you what I'm feeling I'm feeling
Speaker 1: like readers, I'm sorry, like I feel I feel like
Speaker 1: I feel like about what. I don't want to be
Speaker 1: so negative about the state of the world and Katy Perry,
Speaker 1: but they leave me no choice. It's your truth.
Speaker 2: Also, you just got the news that fucking your bag
Speaker 2: is still not at your house, which you were promised
Speaker 2: it would be days ago. But I didn't realize that
Speaker 2: this is your first time losing checked luggage. I've had
Speaker 2: it happened several times, and I told and I kept
Speaker 2: having to reassure Matt in a way that I didn't mind.
Speaker 2: I was like, no, no, like anytime I've lost my luggage,
Speaker 2: like it's gotten back to me, they will send it
Speaker 2: back to you. They can't even do that, which is
Speaker 2: like a basic fucking part of the contract. But like,
Speaker 2: I'm really sorry, and you don't have to apologize for
Speaker 2: being a little bit, you know, ornery, so whatever.
Speaker 1: I'm also fresh, I'm fresh out of therapy and I
Speaker 1: actually did cry today.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, Hey, here's something. What a journey I'm on
Speaker 2: talking to another friend about EMDR and I'm like, I
Speaker 2: gotta just do it. I really got to just do it.
Speaker 2: I straight up no no, no, but I'm to bring
Speaker 2: it up. I did bring up to my therapist who
Speaker 2: specializes in kindemy therapy. I was like, do you think
Speaker 2: I'm a good candidate. He was like no, Like what
Speaker 2: you're going through is like pretty normal at this point,
Speaker 2: like you've come a long way since last year when
Speaker 2: I had like a bad moment and he was just like,
Speaker 2: that's not your thing, and but I did. I did
Speaker 2: have to, like inspired by Orna, I was just like,
Speaker 2: just tell me what's going on. I need you to
Speaker 2: tell me what's going on with me. And he was like, Okay,
Speaker 2: here's what I'm thinking and whatever. But EMDR, I think
Speaker 2: I think I'm gonna look into it.
Speaker 1: Give it a shot, because honestly, I had a breakthrough
Speaker 1: every single time. I didn't do it. Today. I just
Speaker 1: did regular talk therapy today because there was a lot
Speaker 1: to talk about and a lot going on, not just
Speaker 1: in the macro but in the micro and yeah, it
Speaker 1: was good. But I am therapy is forty minutes away
Speaker 1: from me, so I drove the forty minutes there, forty
Speaker 1: minutes back here, and now I have to do the
Speaker 1: hour to lax the hour back, and I guess the
Speaker 1: good news is. I will be streaming joy Ride by
Speaker 1: Kasha the entire time because what I am happy about
Speaker 1: is the fact that it's absolutely smoking woman's World on
Speaker 1: the charts. So victory for Kesha. By the way, Kesha,
Speaker 1: you were amazing. We hope Pride.
Speaker 2: She's a great TED talk up too.
Speaker 1: Oh, I saw that. I read that the alchemy of pop.
Speaker 2: The alchemy of pop. It's great. She she can hear
Speaker 2: it to scuba diving because she liked scuba dive.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was a good Ted. I'm happy you watched it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I watched it too.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Stream toy Ride stream Charmed by Claro. Fantastic new album.
Speaker 1: There's another song I really like, too wish I wanted
Speaker 1: to tell you about which it is. No, it's not real,
Speaker 1: but I did see that you are posting that, and
Speaker 1: I will. I will get into that. It's actually it's
Speaker 1: very Lana coded. It's called Summer Song by Remy Bond.
Speaker 2: Oh.
Speaker 1: Check it out.
Speaker 2: Okay, girl, thanks for the rat.
Speaker 1: I put it on my Big Beautiful Blonde Summer playlist.
Speaker 1: It's the last track. Anyways, we're still in it. Well,
Speaker 1: I love your sister, have fun going to lax, Stay safe, girl,
Speaker 1: Love you, queen, I can't believe I have to do that.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, but it's almost over. Our Long National Nightmare
Speaker 2: is almost over.
Speaker 1: Should this episode be called Long National Nightmare? I oh,
Speaker 1: I don't know that long Long International Nightmare.
Speaker 2: I claimed an earlier title of that, which was that
Speaker 2: this is the reason, this is the reason, this is
Speaker 2: the reason. Okay, this is the reason we got to
Speaker 2: give that woman her flowers because that was that was
Speaker 2: an iconic delivery.
Speaker 1: Should it be this is the reason parentheses Long International Nightmare?
Speaker 1: Like it's a song?
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is the reason parenthesis Long International Nightmare. All right, Well,
Speaker 2: the end every episode with the song.
Speaker 1: It's a moment.
Speaker 2: Just kidding, just kidding.
Speaker 1: No song this week.
Speaker 2: Bye, last Culturati. This is the production by Will Ferrell's
Speaker 2: Big Money Players and I Heart Radio Podcasts.
Speaker 1: Created and hosted by Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang. Executive
Speaker 1: produced by Anna Hosnier and Hans.
Speaker 2: Sony, Produced by Becka Ramos, edited mixed by Doug Bammami
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