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Speaker 2: Two? Three days in? Yeah, mine was on this delay.

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00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:34,280
Speaker 2: I found out that it never left Amsterdam. I think

436
00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:35,919
Speaker 2: neither of our bags had left Amsterdam.

437
00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:39,520
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm, so like, oh no, no, no, no, no, Remember

438
00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:41,800
Speaker 1: my bag was in Catania the entire time.

439
00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:44,480
Speaker 2: Your bag wasn't Kntanna the entire time. My bag never

440
00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:47,480
Speaker 2: left Amsterdam. I don't know how that works, but that's

441
00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:53,320
Speaker 2: just to air race for you and I after much delay,

442
00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:58,919
Speaker 2: this lost and Found office in the Catania airport. I

443
00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:06,160
Speaker 2: mean that should be a more invested sector of that

444
00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:10,520
Speaker 2: place because of what I imagine the common cancelation. How

445
00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:14,119
Speaker 2: common the cancelations are there, Like you better have like

446
00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:17,440
Speaker 2: whatever bag retrieval lost and found system there, like be

447
00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:21,879
Speaker 2: rock solid. And it's one guy manning one phone. And

448
00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:26,679
Speaker 2: so our poor concierge, Sandy Legend at the concierge just

449
00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:29,400
Speaker 2: was calling every fifteen minutes to no answer.

450
00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:33,520
Speaker 1: Same haircut as the girl from the airport. By the way,

451
00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:37,040
Speaker 1: did you notice that every woman in Italy who has

452
00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:40,840
Speaker 1: like the Luccia from White Lot to Sicily haircut is

453
00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:44,199
Speaker 1: as much of a sleigh as Luccia is. Yeah, so

454
00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:48,040
Speaker 1: only trust women with that haircut in Italy. It's actually

455
00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:53,399
Speaker 1: ruler culture number thirty. Only trust women with the haircut

456
00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:57,200
Speaker 1: in Italy. The rest of them are not to be trusted.

457
00:25:57,280 --> 00:25:58,840
Speaker 1: And don't I don't even want to talk about the men.

458
00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:03,639
Speaker 2: The men, and I don't know about the men. I

459
00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:06,439
Speaker 2: think you maybe were asleep for this. But we had

460
00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:10,760
Speaker 2: the guys coming over saying gene to us whatever, and

461
00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:16,639
Speaker 2: then we had another guy I remember that and do

462
00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:19,520
Speaker 2: like a little like Kate Blanchette, like limp wrists.

463
00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:23,200
Speaker 1: Yeah no, there we were being attacked at sea.

464
00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:26,440
Speaker 2: But this is the thing, Like all of those guys,

465
00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:28,760
Speaker 2: I'm like not to be all legally blonde the musical,

466
00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:30,800
Speaker 2: but I'm like gay or European. I was like, I

467
00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:34,040
Speaker 2: couldn't tell if it was them like being homophobic or

468
00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:38,080
Speaker 2: them being like, hey, like, y'all gay like us, because

469
00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:41,680
Speaker 2: it's just like, these are gay looking dudes.

470
00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:42,840
Speaker 1: These are gay guys.

471
00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:45,000
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, but like, the aesthetic of a gay guy

472
00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:52,360
Speaker 2: is universal, and whatever these men do in the privacy

473
00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:54,560
Speaker 2: of their own bedrooms with whoever they choose to do

474
00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:59,400
Speaker 2: it with, is irrelevant because y'all read gay and it

475
00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:03,480
Speaker 2: renders your fraucioginie or your lympres from your silly little

476
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:08,440
Speaker 2: boats irrelevant and ineffective. So I actually don't really care

477
00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:10,760
Speaker 2: that they were being homophobic. I really don't A'm like,

478
00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:11,280
Speaker 2: oh whatever.

479
00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:13,520
Speaker 1: First of all, last time I saw a group of

480
00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:17,040
Speaker 1: gays in Italy, Jennifer Coolidge died, so I don't need

481
00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:18,120
Speaker 1: to hear anymore.

482
00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:20,479
Speaker 2: We wake up the morning of July twelfth in Italy.

483
00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:25,639
Speaker 2: Jared had left on an earlier flight He lands in

484
00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:29,560
Speaker 2: Rome early in the morning and texts us I wake

485
00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:33,320
Speaker 2: up before Matt does Texas. Just got to room. A

486
00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:40,560
Speaker 2: bunch of flights Ticotania are canceled. Check yours. I look

487
00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:44,200
Speaker 2: up my flight number. It's canceled.

488
00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:48,480
Speaker 1: Canceled again because of more fumes from the volcano.

489
00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:53,320
Speaker 2: Because of more eruption from the volcano. I walk over

490
00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:59,600
Speaker 2: to Matt's room and I didn't realize what I was doing,

491
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:02,320
Speaker 2: but rush over to Matt's room, and like he wakes

492
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:04,840
Speaker 2: up and looks up and goes what And then I freeze.

493
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:06,919
Speaker 2: Do you remember this? I freeze because I was like,

494
00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:10,640
Speaker 2: I'm about to ruin this man's day, my best friend's day.

495
00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:12,960
Speaker 2: I'm about to ruin it. But you had to tell

496
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:17,440
Speaker 2: me the truth. I did, oh, I said.

497
00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:19,560
Speaker 1: And he told me the flight was canceled.

498
00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:25,200
Speaker 2: And Matt leapt out of bed with uh, spirited, you're kidding.

499
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:31,840
Speaker 2: And we were scrambling to find a way out. We

500
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:34,879
Speaker 2: just wanted to get the fuck out. As much as

501
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:36,679
Speaker 2: we enjoyed our stay there, it was just too I mean,

502
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:39,440
Speaker 2: like we had already pushed the day, we already extended

503
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:41,520
Speaker 2: the stay at the resort because we lost a day

504
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:44,760
Speaker 2: and a half and because like I was basically there

505
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:47,120
Speaker 2: with like my luggage on the last day in the

506
00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:51,680
Speaker 2: day and a half as well, and then I immediately

507
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:53,600
Speaker 2: booked a flight to Paris, where we would have had

508
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:56,640
Speaker 2: to stay at a hotel airport to then wake up

509
00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:59,520
Speaker 2: the next day and go back to JFK as soon

510
00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:03,479
Speaker 2: as those tickets robot eat to Airways goes just kidding,

511
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:08,040
Speaker 2: your flight is uncanceled, yeah, giving us like minutes to

512
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:11,240
Speaker 2: scramble and get the fuck out of that resort from

513
00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:13,800
Speaker 2: Taramina and drive down to continent like the whole Like

514
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:17,120
Speaker 2: that airline can fucking eat my.

515
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:21,600
Speaker 1: Ass, choke on my ass? How about that suffocate on

516
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:22,560
Speaker 1: my ass?

517
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:27,120
Speaker 2: I can't believe EATA Airways made us do that. Basically

518
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:28,840
Speaker 2: they're bad.

519
00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:31,800
Speaker 1: They are a bad airline. I don't know how else

520
00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:34,560
Speaker 1: you get in and out of that area of the world.

521
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:38,000
Speaker 1: But there has to be some other way. There should be,

522
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:42,240
Speaker 1: like some type of lawsuit that should be able to

523
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:46,360
Speaker 1: be filed. Like I feel so litigious because not only

524
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:49,840
Speaker 1: that Bowen, but this whole time, and I'm gonna get

525
00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:55,520
Speaker 1: to Kitty Perry, but this whole time, I'm thinking, well,

526
00:29:55,560 --> 00:30:00,560
Speaker 1: at least we'll get home and there's no reason why

527
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:04,840
Speaker 1: my bag should go missing a third time. Land in JFK.

528
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:08,719
Speaker 1: Your bag pops out, mind does not. Okay, now it

529
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:12,280
Speaker 1: is the last minutes of the trip and I'm without

530
00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:13,800
Speaker 1: my bag. I'm just like, you know what, I'm gonna

531
00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:21,000
Speaker 1: go home. It's July eleventh. The Katy Perry song is out. Yes,

532
00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:23,520
Speaker 1: so I'll be like, you know what, I'll just in

533
00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:25,800
Speaker 1: the car. I'll make myself feel better because I know

534
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:32,160
Speaker 1: Katy Perry is gonna give something. This is the worst

535
00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:37,880
Speaker 1: song of all time? Can you believe?

536
00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:39,640
Speaker 2: That?

537
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:44,880
Speaker 1: It's called Woman's World? Produced and written by doctor Luke

538
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:50,080
Speaker 1: and five other people, including Katie herself. The verse that

539
00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:54,520
Speaker 1: literally they allowed the entire Internet to run with the

540
00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:59,120
Speaker 1: bit that it was a joke never corrected. That is

541
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:03,200
Speaker 1: actual leave the song. The lyrics to that song are

542
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:07,080
Speaker 1: actually I've actually only listened to it two times because

543
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:12,520
Speaker 1: I refuse to give it streams so intelligent, she is,

544
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:15,000
Speaker 1: what the fuck is she talking about?

545
00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:18,680
Speaker 2: That is kind of like the most minor offense to me,

546
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:22,360
Speaker 2: I think Jesse David Fox wrote a wonderful piece about

547
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:25,960
Speaker 2: how just because you call something satire does not make

548
00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:29,480
Speaker 2: it any more elevated. Than does not elevate any part

549
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:31,720
Speaker 2: of this work, and for her to put out this

550
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:36,040
Speaker 2: video after the video comes out, being like you can

551
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:39,239
Speaker 2: do anything, even satire in all caps, and it's just

552
00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:43,680
Speaker 2: her being so uncomfortable on set for this BTS moment,

553
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:46,200
Speaker 2: being like we're just being yeah, like on the nose

554
00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:48,600
Speaker 2: and like just really like on the nose, and it's

555
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:51,240
Speaker 2: like supposed to be stupid and we're like being cheeky

556
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 2: but like it's with a wink, but it's like on

557
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:54,440
Speaker 2: the nose.

558
00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:56,840
Speaker 1: I don't know what it was. I think that American

559
00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:59,880
Speaker 1: Idol and maybe Vegas made her think that the only

560
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:05,880
Speaker 1: way forward for her was to be more broad, Like listen,

561
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:09,800
Speaker 1: it wouldn't even have to be a thing of like

562
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:13,560
Speaker 1: kind of fuck her if she didn't have doctor Luke

563
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:19,160
Speaker 1: on it. Like you actually made everyone participate in this

564
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:22,280
Speaker 1: thing of like oh, the Katy Perry come back, and

565
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:26,200
Speaker 1: then not only was it incredibly mid, but you're just

566
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:29,960
Speaker 1: like waving in everyone's face that it's like tormentor of

567
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:32,720
Speaker 1: a lot of your peers. Because mind you, it's not

568
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:36,240
Speaker 1: just Kesha that he had a problem with, Like Kelly

569
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:38,880
Speaker 1: Clarkson also in a deposition, said that he was not

570
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:41,200
Speaker 1: a good guy and that all she wanted was to

571
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:43,720
Speaker 1: never work with him again, and the label fucking made her.

572
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:44,160
Speaker 2: So.

573
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:47,880
Speaker 1: I don't know what it is with the music industry

574
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:54,440
Speaker 1: and this fucking dude, but the listeners are not buying it,

575
00:32:54,640 --> 00:33:01,760
Speaker 1: especially when it also sucks what It's a woman's world

576
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:03,400
Speaker 1: and you're lucky to be living in it. This is

577
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:08,040
Speaker 1: like a girl power platitude from nineteen ninety nine. This

578
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:12,160
Speaker 1: is like late nineties, early two thousands. Bullshit, she's a sister,

579
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:12,760
Speaker 1: she's a.

580
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:14,680
Speaker 2: Mother, Stream stupid love.

581
00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:21,360
Speaker 1: She's a sister, she's a mother. You wrote teenage Dream, Like,

582
00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:24,680
Speaker 1: what are we doing here? This is a person who

583
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:27,080
Speaker 1: burst onto the scene with I Kissed a Girl, which was,

584
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:34,000
Speaker 1: in Bowen's words, serrated first single with personality that was different,

585
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:35,160
Speaker 1: that was specific.

586
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:40,200
Speaker 2: This was never the way she planned, not her intention.

587
00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:43,720
Speaker 1: I mean, just read the Pitchfork article, read the cut,

588
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:47,400
Speaker 1: read like any piece of media that's talked about this,

589
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:49,800
Speaker 1: and it would be one thing if it was just

590
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:53,400
Speaker 1: a mid song or a bad song like it happens.

591
00:33:53,920 --> 00:34:00,600
Speaker 1: But you literally went out of your way to be like, no,

592
00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:02,800
Speaker 1: it's gonna be worth it to work with this problematic

593
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:05,200
Speaker 1: person because at least he's the best at what he does.

594
00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:10,000
Speaker 1: I guess that's not even true anymore, right, and it

595
00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:10,960
Speaker 1: never will be again.

596
00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:14,600
Speaker 2: What's confusing is the lead up to it seemed so

597
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:17,719
Speaker 2: like they could have done it any other way besides

598
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:21,400
Speaker 2: the way they did it, which was little drips, little leaks,

599
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:24,279
Speaker 2: little snippets, little things like actually, we're gonna be the

600
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:27,840
Speaker 2: ones to release the credits that include doctor Luke. Like

601
00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:31,280
Speaker 2: that was after the snippets lead, and the whole Internet

602
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:33,319
Speaker 2: was confused, being like what the fuck is this?

603
00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:36,800
Speaker 1: And then like dope, And by the way, they're silent

604
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:41,560
Speaker 1: about it. Crazy, they're silent about it. She doesn't even

605
00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:45,279
Speaker 1: say like, you know what I see? And I understand

606
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:48,920
Speaker 1: the response. Here's what I'll say back. It's just nothing.

607
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:51,239
Speaker 1: It's just a complete disregard.

608
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:54,840
Speaker 2: The response was that you can do anything, even satire video,

609
00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:57,279
Speaker 2: which I couldn't even make it through because I was

610
00:34:57,360 --> 00:35:02,640
Speaker 2: just like, I like, she's she's just doing like her

611
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:07,919
Speaker 2: bit voice, and all these background dancers are behind her,

612
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:12,400
Speaker 2: like sheepishly nervously grinning, being like what the fuck is

613
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:13,320
Speaker 2: she talking about?

614
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:18,360
Speaker 1: Oh? The dancers looked like they were yikes, they looked shook.

615
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:23,720
Speaker 1: I felt bad first of the video's nuts, like especially

616
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:26,880
Speaker 1: like it ends, like even if it does track a

617
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:29,840
Speaker 1: satire the way it ends with her holding up a

618
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:32,919
Speaker 1: ring light in the form of the feminine symbol and

619
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:36,560
Speaker 1: the TikToker being like, who are you and her going?

620
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:41,800
Speaker 1: I'm Katie Perry with like the ring light female symbol

621
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:45,200
Speaker 1: in the air, like what are you talking about?

622
00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:58,000
Speaker 2: It's a tough time. I want to point out something,

623
00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:00,600
Speaker 2: just to move on from a woman's world. Any closing thoughts,

624
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:03,280
Speaker 2: I feel like you have expressed yourself very very well.

625
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:06,680
Speaker 1: I mean, I feel bad that the review of this

626
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:08,799
Speaker 1: song is coming on the heels of this trip where

627
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:11,280
Speaker 1: my luggage was lost several times and the stakes weren't

628
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:13,720
Speaker 1: so high for her and not only just for comeback

629
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:18,320
Speaker 1: but making men around. She could have really turned it around.

630
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 1: And maybe it's the wrong single, or maybe she just

631
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:21,799
Speaker 1: sucks now.

632
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:24,960
Speaker 2: I think there's a knockins razor thing here where it's

633
00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:29,960
Speaker 2: like the simplest explanation is probably the real one. I

634
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:33,319
Speaker 2: can't A fun moment happened on the flight home, though,

635
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:38,480
Speaker 2: that before before the torture began. In the words of Riba,

636
00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:42,720
Speaker 2: I was on the plane, I was on the iPad

637
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:45,440
Speaker 2: watching something while Matt was reading a full lass book.

638
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:48,239
Speaker 2: And it was a fun little role reversal because it

639
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 2: was like I was watching season one of the Real

640
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:53,560
Speaker 2: Housewives of Beverly Hills.

641
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:58,800
Speaker 1: And living my life. Here's my thing.

642
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:01,879
Speaker 2: I'm not that in the early seasons of a lot

643
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:04,200
Speaker 2: of franchises, but specifically Beverly Hills.

644
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:05,600
Speaker 1: Oh it's so good.

645
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:08,880
Speaker 2: I was like, God, damn, I can't believe it was

646
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:12,440
Speaker 2: just right there all along, and this is from the beginning,

647
00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:18,320
Speaker 2: so fucking good, Like wow, I did not realize that

648
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:20,560
Speaker 2: the Kim and Kyle thing is there from day one,

649
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:21,919
Speaker 2: from the film episode one.

650
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:25,560
Speaker 1: It's essentially the main plot of the show. That's why

651
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:28,560
Speaker 1: I say Kyle is the protagonist because like that's like sure,

652
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:31,840
Speaker 1: totally that was the show. And the first two seasons

653
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:36,320
Speaker 1: of Beverly Hills is like what Housewives always is trying

654
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:40,359
Speaker 1: to be. Yeah, does like certain seasons of different franchises,

655
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:43,080
Speaker 1: like you know, season nine of Atlanta or even earlier

656
00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:46,239
Speaker 1: in Atlanta two like or season honestly, season four of

657
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:48,879
Speaker 1: Salt Lake, like season one and two of Beverly Hills

658
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:49,640
Speaker 1: is like one.

659
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:53,440
Speaker 2: Of those, right, Like just what I cannot stop thinking

660
00:37:53,440 --> 00:38:00,960
Speaker 2: about is how perfectly distilled of a housewife moment Taylor Armstrong,

661
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:04,640
Speaker 2: Like the perfectly distilled moment of Taylor Armstrong saying if

662
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:08,200
Speaker 2: you can't be my friends, please don't be my enemy.

663
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:08,600
Speaker 1: My enemy.

664
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:14,839
Speaker 2: It's like that is so the PATHO said that is

665
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:20,160
Speaker 2: like it feels like the classics. It feels like, oh,

666
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:21,879
Speaker 2: like it doesn't get better than that.

667
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:25,319
Speaker 1: Oh, I love it. I mean, so I'm looking over

668
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:27,719
Speaker 1: in Bowen is like Bowen turns his screen and it's

669
00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:30,440
Speaker 1: just Kim Richard's face in a confessional. And I had

670
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:32,360
Speaker 1: to laugh because I looked down at my book and

671
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:35,600
Speaker 1: I was reading Me and Boys by Jeffrey Mack, and

672
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:38,879
Speaker 1: I was just like literally reading a chapter about how

673
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:42,120
Speaker 1: like empathy is the only way forward, like the last

674
00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:44,000
Speaker 1: essay in the book is called Me and Boys and

675
00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:48,760
Speaker 1: like it. Actually, this is really interesting and timely because

676
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:53,640
Speaker 1: it talks about the psychology of a mass shooter and.

677
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:56,440
Speaker 2: Of just gunmen, people who want to kill people in general,

678
00:38:57,040 --> 00:38:59,879
Speaker 2: right exactly, and just it's usually these broken men.

679
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:04,000
Speaker 1: And I will say that book was excellent and I

680
00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:05,600
Speaker 1: was really happy that I read it, and I've been

681
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:07,680
Speaker 1: thinking about it a lot because I've been thinking a

682
00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:10,440
Speaker 1: lot about like the drug culture amongst the gay community.

683
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:13,160
Speaker 1: I've been thinking a lot about, you know, our collective

684
00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:13,960
Speaker 1: mental health.

685
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:20,080
Speaker 2: Even after Taylor in your shrooms moment, you had googled

686
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:23,479
Speaker 2: in the night, why are gay men so sad? Yeah,

687
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:25,319
Speaker 2: And I think that was And I really told you

688
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:26,520
Speaker 2: the next day. I was like, I think it's a

689
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:28,000
Speaker 2: really good thing that you did that. Like, I don't

690
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:30,360
Speaker 2: think you should be like, don't chalk it up to

691
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:32,359
Speaker 2: like drugs or anything. It's just like, this is a

692
00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:35,359
Speaker 2: totally valid thing to ask, especially in the summertime, when

693
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:39,160
Speaker 2: people are all across the fucking spectrum with their emotions,

694
00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:41,880
Speaker 2: whether they're like happy that it's summer, they're with their friends,

695
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:44,799
Speaker 2: or they're even with their friends in sad and like

696
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:50,960
Speaker 2: just very morose about like how overwhelming life can be.

697
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:54,720
Speaker 1: I definitely googled the words why are gay men's so sad?

698
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:58,719
Speaker 1: And I can tell you that it has a lot

699
00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:00,440
Speaker 1: to do with the fact that, no matter matter how

700
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:05,120
Speaker 1: happy we think we are, we especially men of our generation,

701
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:10,239
Speaker 1: have internalized rejection to such an extent that we come

702
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:13,760
Speaker 1: to expect it so that when it happens it's extra crushing.

703
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:16,399
Speaker 1: But also it's something that we're like low key used

704
00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:21,480
Speaker 1: to we live every single day with really the ingrained

705
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:26,520
Speaker 1: idea like really, in our DNA, we are not valuable.

706
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:31,880
Speaker 1: And so that informs a lot of the way we

707
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:34,319
Speaker 1: react to each other, the way we treat each other,

708
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:39,360
Speaker 1: the way that we feel when we see other people

709
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:44,880
Speaker 1: succeed fail attempt things, the way that we interact with

710
00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:49,200
Speaker 1: one another in romantic situations.

711
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:52,319
Speaker 2: The way that we adopt like certain conventions within like

712
00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:55,880
Speaker 2: a gay subculture or our culture within that culture. Like

713
00:40:57,400 --> 00:41:00,759
Speaker 2: I think it kind of motivates if a drug use

714
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:03,400
Speaker 2: in the gay community, Like I think it motivates, like

715
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 2: why does everyone at basement have the same sunglasses? Like

716
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:08,279
Speaker 2: I love that they have the same sunglasses. But it's

717
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:11,080
Speaker 2: just like arbitrary thing of like we all sort of

718
00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:15,640
Speaker 2: adopt these conventions, these literal conventions, these units of the culture,

719
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:21,800
Speaker 2: and like it's all just like this crazy two mirrors

720
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:23,920
Speaker 2: facing each other, but it's like actually millions of mirrors

721
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:28,080
Speaker 2: facing it. It's like it just gets like reflected into infinity,

722
00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:31,680
Speaker 2: and like it just amplifies like the pain and the misery,

723
00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:33,560
Speaker 2: and it's interesting.

724
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:37,759
Speaker 1: I mean, essentially, I think we're all just trying to

725
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:40,839
Speaker 1: be cool and individuals and we're all trying to like

726
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:46,799
Speaker 1: be interesting, and we're trying to find community within community,

727
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:49,360
Speaker 1: and we're all out here. And a lot of what

728
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:52,920
Speaker 1: this book talks about is like the way that fashion

729
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:55,239
Speaker 1: and politics speak to each other and the way that

730
00:41:55,360 --> 00:42:00,960
Speaker 1: culture they say, politics flows downriver from culture. So this

731
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:03,160
Speaker 1: is this is like one of the ideas in this book.

732
00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:06,640
Speaker 1: And so there's a whole chapter about, you know, people

733
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:10,920
Speaker 1: going to art Basil and Miami and how that's really

734
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:14,560
Speaker 1: more about partying, like exclusively about partying and not really

735
00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:19,000
Speaker 1: about art. But on the outset, it feels like something

736
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:21,200
Speaker 1: that you need to go to and participate in in

737
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:23,040
Speaker 1: order to be part of the culture. Right, and then

738
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:26,400
Speaker 1: you go and you're just fucking exhausted and high, and

739
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:28,480
Speaker 1: then you're like, hold on a second, wait, why did

740
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:29,399
Speaker 1: I even come here?

741
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:32,680
Speaker 2: And that sounds like so many things. Yeah, it's like everything.

742
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:36,279
Speaker 1: It's like going to that party, this thing that being

743
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:39,840
Speaker 1: pictured this way on Instagram, looking this way, wearing these clothes,

744
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:43,759
Speaker 1: like essentially all these things are being decided for us

745
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:50,399
Speaker 1: by someone up top who is really unhappy. So it's

746
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:52,920
Speaker 1: just and it sounds like a dark book, but and

747
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:54,919
Speaker 1: in many ways it is, but it was also very

748
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:57,480
Speaker 1: illuminating and I think very true.

749
00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:01,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I really really loved I'm gonna read the ending,

750
00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:05,200
Speaker 2: I think forever. I love he ends on this hopeful

751
00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:08,239
Speaker 2: note of like empathy is the only way forward. It's

752
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:11,719
Speaker 2: like it is the thing that like it makes me

753
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:15,960
Speaker 2: think of sorry, but like fleabag, like people are all

754
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:18,080
Speaker 2: we've got, Like other people are all we've got, right,

755
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:21,680
Speaker 2: that is like the only way out of your the

756
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:25,040
Speaker 2: prison of your own mind or whatever. Like connection is

757
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:28,080
Speaker 2: important and community and it is like the building block

758
00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:31,760
Speaker 2: of like an egalitarian society, and like what is happening

759
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:33,359
Speaker 2: right now in the culture is that like those things

760
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:35,920
Speaker 2: are being broken down and everyone feels disconnected in all

761
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:37,080
Speaker 2: these troubling things.

762
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:40,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, and basic human empathy and understanding is one way

763
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:43,640
Speaker 1: to really connect with someone else and find that community,

764
00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:46,960
Speaker 1: because you're not gonna find happiness in a sweater or

765
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:52,680
Speaker 1: a party or a drug, Like you're never gonna find

766
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:55,680
Speaker 1: lasting happiness in those things. And I don't know, it

767
00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:59,680
Speaker 1: was just it was just really refreshing almost to feel

768
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:02,319
Speaker 1: it put like that and a lot of reading it

769
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:06,239
Speaker 1: was very tough, but I recommend it, especially for you know,

770
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:09,240
Speaker 1: gay men our age or queer people our age really

771
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:12,120
Speaker 1: or anybody very good. But anyway, that's why, that's what

772
00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:15,960
Speaker 1: I was doing while Bowen was watching Kim and Kyle

773
00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:16,840
Speaker 1: argue in the limo.

774
00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:22,440
Speaker 2: God, Kyle, like, you take that back right now? Or

775
00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:24,279
Speaker 2: just do you hear what you just said? Do you

776
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:24,959
Speaker 2: hear you said?

777
00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:29,160
Speaker 1: You are a liar and an alcoholic? I love such

778
00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:36,359
Speaker 1: a fucking liar, Camille. Oh God that I would say

779
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:39,919
Speaker 1: this that back then Kyle had a different personality. Back then,

780
00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:43,320
Speaker 1: Kyle was nasty nice.

781
00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:48,480
Speaker 2: She wasn't what Becka producer Becka says, my husband has

782
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:52,440
Speaker 2: treated you like a second wife. Jesus.

783
00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:54,560
Speaker 1: But like, wait, have you gotten to the scene where

784
00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:57,880
Speaker 1: Kyle and Kim team up in Bully Brandy Glenville.

785
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:01,560
Speaker 2: No, Brandy has Yeah, well I do, of course know

786
00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:04,719
Speaker 2: you're a slut peg like that's iconic, Kim Richards right there?

787
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:07,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, Brandy And one she Brandy's like new to

788
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:09,480
Speaker 1: the show in the second season and she comes in

789
00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:12,879
Speaker 1: on crutches because she's hurt her foot or something, and

790
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:16,560
Speaker 1: she's over their house and they're being so merciless to her,

791
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:18,960
Speaker 1: and then they hide her crutches.

792
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:23,000
Speaker 2: I mean that is monstrous, but also it's Brandy Glanville

793
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:24,239
Speaker 2: and so and that is like one of the most

794
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:26,239
Speaker 2: despicable human beings to ever be put on TV.

795
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:30,560
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, listen, I think that's what made her though,

796
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:33,359
Speaker 1: Like I think that's that was the origin story right there.

797
00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:36,319
Speaker 1: I was like no, because I remember I went back

798
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:38,640
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, there's Brandy Glanville. I can't

799
00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:40,680
Speaker 1: wait to see how crazy she is. Like here we go.

800
00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:44,000
Speaker 1: And then I'm watching it and I'm like, no, Kyle,

801
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:49,680
Speaker 1: and like, there be I really mean there they were mean,

802
00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:54,719
Speaker 1: so mean, And it wasn't until years later that like

803
00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:56,799
Speaker 1: or maybe even a couple of years later that like

804
00:45:56,880 --> 00:46:00,680
Speaker 1: Kyle became like sort of like the defacto attagonists who

805
00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:03,480
Speaker 1: we all love and like, you know, the sweet, gooey

806
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:07,520
Speaker 1: center of Beverly Hills. But you know, it's it's interesting

807
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:10,239
Speaker 1: to see where where she started.

808
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:13,359
Speaker 2: It was not what it is now, Producer Becka says,

809
00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:14,920
Speaker 2: except Brandy's son did piss outside.

810
00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:15,360
Speaker 1: Lol.

811
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:18,920
Speaker 2: Well the thing like Brandy, like I love that We're

812
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:21,640
Speaker 2: talking about season two of Beverly Hills on this podcast

813
00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:26,040
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty four, but I I just can't believe

814
00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:30,200
Speaker 2: I didn't know about the whole like Brandy fucking ruining

815
00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:31,480
Speaker 2: Adrian's marriage thing.

816
00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:35,759
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, no, Like, well, it's crazy.

817
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:38,280
Speaker 2: This woman has destroyed so many lives.

818
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:42,880
Speaker 1: She's she's definitely chaotic is a kind word. But I

819
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:45,120
Speaker 1: also know that she's fucking going through it now and

820
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:49,640
Speaker 1: I it's a whole fucking thing. Whatever I was. OHC

821
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:52,960
Speaker 1: is great this season. I love so is Jersey. Oh

822
00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:56,080
Speaker 1: C and Jersey are both giving, but Jersey is just

823
00:46:56,160 --> 00:46:59,279
Speaker 1: wild because the more you watch Teresa's scenes, the more

824
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:02,879
Speaker 1: you realize what a warped reality she lives in. Oh yeah,

825
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:06,759
Speaker 1: every scene with her is completely berserk. Like in this

826
00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:09,799
Speaker 1: last episode, there's a scene where they like are going

827
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:13,040
Speaker 1: to a live show she's doing for her podcast, which,

828
00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:16,600
Speaker 1: by the way, Teresa with a podcast is an interesting,

829
00:47:18,040 --> 00:47:23,880
Speaker 1: interesting idea. But she has the women like gather before

830
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:27,719
Speaker 1: the podcast taping in like this big quiet room, and

831
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:31,000
Speaker 1: it's just you can tell they're all just like sort

832
00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:33,720
Speaker 1: of trying to find something to talk to her about.

833
00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:37,319
Speaker 1: And jen Aiden is just she's just so.

834
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:39,760
Speaker 2: Sad.

835
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:42,799
Speaker 1: You can tell she's such a broken person that she's

836
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:45,920
Speaker 1: it's coming out in very toxic ways and she was

837
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:47,560
Speaker 1: not watching What Happens Live the other night and it

838
00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:52,080
Speaker 1: was really weird, and it just the Teresa and Jenn

839
00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:54,600
Speaker 1: of it all. It just has to stop. It's just

840
00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:57,520
Speaker 1: gotta stop. And like, you know, I guess if you

841
00:47:57,600 --> 00:47:59,759
Speaker 1: wanted to continue, then give Teresa her own show and

842
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:02,239
Speaker 1: will see how many people watch it. But like, this

843
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:04,759
Speaker 1: is not Housewives of New Jersey anymore. It feels like

844
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:08,040
Speaker 1: two different shows. One is like Jen and Teresa being

845
00:48:08,120 --> 00:48:12,000
Speaker 1: these like sad, dark clowns, and then the rest of

846
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:14,600
Speaker 1: it is the Housewives of New Jersey. And I feel

847
00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:16,240
Speaker 1: like that's the show we should be watching.

848
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:21,160
Speaker 2: But I'm not totally up to be on Jersey. I am.

849
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:23,520
Speaker 2: We're only one episode into OC at the time of

850
00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:26,920
Speaker 2: this recording, and I'm enjoying it very much. Yeah, Shannon

851
00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:30,160
Speaker 2: Spike and Cameron saying perfect is oh so conic.

852
00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:32,279
Speaker 1: So good. I mean, that was a great episode. And

853
00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:35,640
Speaker 1: I feel like, you know, this is all the pop

854
00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:37,560
Speaker 1: culture of right now? What else? I mean, like a

855
00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:41,880
Speaker 1: gypsy Rose is pregnant, you know, good for her? What else?

856
00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:42,520
Speaker 2: Oh?

857
00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:47,440
Speaker 1: Right, there was an assassination attempt on Trump. I guess

858
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:49,759
Speaker 1: in the grand scheme of things. I just want to say,

859
00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:53,680
Speaker 1: I think it's fucking pathetic the way that the Democrats

860
00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:56,920
Speaker 1: have handled this. I just think it's ridiculous that like

861
00:48:57,360 --> 00:49:00,759
Speaker 1: the thoughts and prayers like we obviously I never want

862
00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:02,759
Speaker 1: this to happen. When is someone just gonna stand up

863
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:05,480
Speaker 1: and say the truth, which is the fact that one

864
00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:08,080
Speaker 1: of the reasons this can even happen is because the

865
00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:12,319
Speaker 1: man that is the leader of this political party would

866
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:15,319
Speaker 1: do nothing to stop something like this from happening. Oh,

867
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:19,359
Speaker 1: you're kidding, someone who spews a violent rhetoric and makes

868
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:22,440
Speaker 1: this an even more unsafe country to live in day

869
00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:25,880
Speaker 1: after day after day as we take this high road

870
00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:32,360
Speaker 1: towards death, like this guy finally had the violence turned

871
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:35,640
Speaker 1: around on him. You don't say.

872
00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:39,240
Speaker 2: Well, and then for the response from the Center, because

873
00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:42,080
Speaker 2: that's what they are to be, like, to apologize for

874
00:49:42,160 --> 00:49:49,080
Speaker 2: even existing is so devastating and so sad, and it's

875
00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:55,000
Speaker 2: it's like ceiling the fate of an entire country, world whatever,

876
00:49:55,040 --> 00:49:58,520
Speaker 2: it's like. It's just it's bad, it's really bad.

877
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:02,360
Speaker 1: Just make it about but let's just make it about guns.

878
00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:05,720
Speaker 1: If you want the gun situation in this country to change,

879
00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:09,439
Speaker 1: you cannot support the GOP. You cannot do it if

880
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:11,640
Speaker 1: and even if we weren't just gonna make it about that,

881
00:50:11,719 --> 00:50:14,120
Speaker 1: let's make it about abortion. If you want that to

882
00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:17,480
Speaker 1: be an option in this country, an option, you cannot

883
00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:20,920
Speaker 1: support the GOP. Like, I feel like I'm going fucking crazy,

884
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:25,480
Speaker 1: and obviously, like I don't think Biden is the way forward. Obviously,

885
00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:28,080
Speaker 1: I just think it fuels people that are like, oh, well, Biden,

886
00:50:28,080 --> 00:50:30,680
Speaker 1: I don't know, he can't string two sentences together. Sure,

887
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:33,640
Speaker 1: while that's true, at least we would still have democracy

888
00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:40,640
Speaker 1: and a chance to change these things. Like huh, I

889
00:50:40,680 --> 00:50:44,560
Speaker 1: feel like I'm living on another planet.

890
00:50:45,239 --> 00:50:48,200
Speaker 2: The effect that it's having on me is like what

891
00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:49,920
Speaker 2: I'm kind of going through at the moment, which is

892
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:54,400
Speaker 2: just to like ignore ignore it, which is like not constructive,

893
00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:59,360
Speaker 2: not productive. It's just like it's kind of protective for now,

894
00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:03,799
Speaker 2: and I get it. I will come out of it.

895
00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:08,000
Speaker 2: It's just I need this week to be over of

896
00:51:08,120 --> 00:51:09,400
Speaker 2: R and C stuff and then.

897
00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:14,600
Speaker 3: And then who knows, oh my god, and the JD

898
00:51:14,680 --> 00:51:16,759
Speaker 3: events of it all, like the fact that like he

899
00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:19,680
Speaker 3: was out here saying that Trump is Hitler, and like

900
00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:22,880
Speaker 3: the this is literally I mean, it's just it's comical,

901
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:26,040
Speaker 3: this fucking joke of a human that they've chosen as

902
00:51:26,080 --> 00:51:26,680
Speaker 3: the VP.

903
00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:29,359
Speaker 1: Was out here being like I would never support him.

904
00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:31,319
Speaker 1: I would never vote for him. You're sick if you do.

905
00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:33,840
Speaker 1: He's like Hitler d D. And now he's just like

906
00:51:34,120 --> 00:51:36,359
Speaker 1: gladly signed on the dotted line to be next in

907
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:40,000
Speaker 1: line to power. Like if you don't see this, you're

908
00:51:40,040 --> 00:51:46,680
Speaker 1: a moron. Like it's it's crazy, bro, it's it's it's nuts.

909
00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:51,239
Speaker 1: But you know, it's a woman's world. We're lucky to

910
00:51:51,400 --> 00:52:03,680
Speaker 1: be living in it. Is there anything happy going on?

911
00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:07,120
Speaker 1: Is there anything good? I like the Kesha single.

912
00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:11,399
Speaker 2: Kesha singles great. I don't know, hard to say.

913
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:14,279
Speaker 1: We did have fun in Sicily and we did have

914
00:52:14,320 --> 00:52:16,840
Speaker 1: fun in Amsterdam, and Taylor was amazing.

915
00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:24,239
Speaker 2: I really loved those experiences at least on like a

916
00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:27,640
Speaker 2: on a stress level, which is like what I tend

917
00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:31,400
Speaker 2: to like, what motivates me to go on vacation. Like

918
00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:36,680
Speaker 2: it came out a full wash, like with the travel

919
00:52:36,719 --> 00:52:43,560
Speaker 2: stress on the ledger, with the pleasures that were had,

920
00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:48,120
Speaker 2: like it was balance net zero, which is not bad.

921
00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:49,280
Speaker 2: It could be worse.

922
00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:51,720
Speaker 1: Oh, it could have been very a lot worse.

923
00:52:52,120 --> 00:52:54,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I'm just saying like, ugh, all right, Like

924
00:52:54,920 --> 00:52:56,879
Speaker 2: that that's where I'm at with that vacation for now.

925
00:52:56,920 --> 00:52:59,760
Speaker 2: I'm sure like years from now, I'll like forget about

926
00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:04,319
Speaker 2: like those bad travel memories will flush out sooner than

927
00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:07,200
Speaker 2: the good memories of being in the destinations.

928
00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:09,800
Speaker 1: There was like a moment where I was swimming around

929
00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:11,680
Speaker 1: in the sea and I was so happy to be

930
00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:14,200
Speaker 1: there and I felt like so free, And that's when

931
00:53:14,200 --> 00:53:16,759
Speaker 1: I was just like, you know what, Actually, it's not

932
00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:20,680
Speaker 1: worth it to be like nihilistic and fatalistic about everything.

933
00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:23,279
Speaker 1: Like there's so many beautiful things in the world. There's

934
00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:25,800
Speaker 1: so many experiences to be had. There's so many people

935
00:53:25,880 --> 00:53:30,719
Speaker 1: that are out there that don't want like the negativity

936
00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:35,839
Speaker 1: and the darkness and the you know, fucking hellscape that

937
00:53:36,160 --> 00:53:39,279
Speaker 1: it seems like we're headed towards. I wish that there

938
00:53:39,320 --> 00:53:42,319
Speaker 1: could be projected more positivity, but I also think we're

939
00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:44,759
Speaker 1: in a moment where we need to fucking snap in

940
00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:51,160
Speaker 1: and understand and get that like like, yeah, I hear

941
00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:54,200
Speaker 1: things that we take advantage of, we're taking we take

942
00:53:54,239 --> 00:53:57,040
Speaker 1: it for granted, dude, and I we do.

943
00:53:57,760 --> 00:53:59,720
Speaker 2: I'm not all the way hopeless. I'm just like saying

944
00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:04,200
Speaker 2: right now, the past, yeah, seventy two you know, ninety

945
00:54:04,239 --> 00:54:09,000
Speaker 2: six hours actually have just been a lot. Should we

946
00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:12,560
Speaker 2: move into I don't think so, honey. Sure this is

947
00:54:12,560 --> 00:54:14,879
Speaker 2: I don't think so honey. This is our segment where

948
00:54:14,920 --> 00:54:18,359
Speaker 2: we take one minute to rail again something in culture, Matt,

949
00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:19,120
Speaker 2: Do you have something?

950
00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:25,440
Speaker 1: Do I have something? Uh? Do I have something? I

951
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:28,280
Speaker 1: feel like this entire episode has been I don't think so, honey.

952
00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:31,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, we can skip it. We can we can make history.

953
00:54:32,080 --> 00:54:36,719
Speaker 1: No, I don't think we can. Sure I have it.

954
00:54:36,719 --> 00:54:37,600
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey.

955
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:39,719
Speaker 2: Okay, this is Matt Rogers. I don't think so many

956
00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:41,120
Speaker 2: as time starts now, I.

957
00:54:41,080 --> 00:54:43,320
Speaker 1: Don't think so, honey. No trick in parmesan in Italy.

958
00:54:44,320 --> 00:54:47,200
Speaker 2: It's American, Babe, it's an American thunny, it's so American.

959
00:54:47,239 --> 00:54:49,600
Speaker 1: And I that's kind of like at a certain point

960
00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:51,560
Speaker 1: it really was all I wanted. I was like, can

961
00:54:51,640 --> 00:54:54,960
Speaker 1: wait to get a big old piece of chicken covered

962
00:54:55,040 --> 00:54:58,759
Speaker 1: in marinara and cheese. And then it was curiously on

963
00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:00,440
Speaker 1: no menus, and I said, I don' I don't think so,

964
00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:02,920
Speaker 1: honny that I've seen it even offered. Then I come

965
00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:04,680
Speaker 1: to find out when I say it to out loud

966
00:55:04,719 --> 00:55:07,080
Speaker 1: to someone like, well, why is there no chicken parm

967
00:55:07,160 --> 00:55:09,399
Speaker 1: Everyone's like, oh, that's an American thing, and I was like, well,

968
00:55:09,440 --> 00:55:13,400
Speaker 1: that stinks because I think one of the great dishes

969
00:55:13,680 --> 00:55:17,920
Speaker 1: is chicken parmesan. And I'm embarrassed from my lack of culture.

970
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:22,560
Speaker 1: But how exactly did the chicken parmesan become not only

971
00:55:23,000 --> 00:55:27,080
Speaker 1: such a staple Italian food, but such a Marqueese Italian

972
00:55:27,120 --> 00:55:30,719
Speaker 1: food if it doesn't even happen in Italy or at

973
00:55:30,760 --> 00:55:34,440
Speaker 1: least Sicily, it doesn't even happen there. But yeah, I

974
00:55:34,440 --> 00:55:36,680
Speaker 1: don't think so, honey, But I was not able to

975
00:55:36,680 --> 00:55:38,400
Speaker 1: get that it is my favorite food. I would have

976
00:55:38,480 --> 00:55:40,799
Speaker 1: loved it authentically in Italia, but I guess I'll have

977
00:55:40,840 --> 00:55:43,160
Speaker 1: to go to it's authentic birthplace. What New York?

978
00:55:43,280 --> 00:55:46,520
Speaker 2: I don't think, son, that's one minute. Oh, this happens

979
00:55:46,520 --> 00:55:50,040
Speaker 2: all the time with like quote unquote like cultural foods.

980
00:55:50,040 --> 00:55:52,800
Speaker 2: It's like, there's American niced Chinese food like things on

981
00:55:52,840 --> 00:55:54,719
Speaker 2: a Chinese men. You hear that you would never ever

982
00:55:54,800 --> 00:55:58,160
Speaker 2: find anywhere across the great big country of China.

983
00:55:58,840 --> 00:56:02,960
Speaker 1: I mean, listen, here's what's great for us if we

984
00:56:03,080 --> 00:56:06,360
Speaker 1: want our favorite things that are Italian but not Chinese.

985
00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:09,760
Speaker 1: But not we have them in spades here in America.

986
00:56:09,800 --> 00:56:12,319
Speaker 1: You just can't go get it in a place where

987
00:56:12,320 --> 00:56:14,520
Speaker 1: you'd think they would absolutely knock it out of the park.

988
00:56:15,080 --> 00:56:17,080
Speaker 2: MM, totally.

989
00:56:18,360 --> 00:56:20,720
Speaker 1: Totally. Do you have an I don't think so, honey,

990
00:56:20,760 --> 00:56:21,719
Speaker 1: topic I do.

991
00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:25,439
Speaker 2: It's a little inappropriate, but here we go inappropriate. Yeah,

992
00:56:25,480 --> 00:56:28,080
Speaker 2: you'll see, you'll see why this.

993
00:56:28,080 --> 00:56:29,680
Speaker 1: Is Mowan yangs. I don't think so, honey. As time

994
00:56:29,719 --> 00:56:30,799
Speaker 1: starts now, I.

995
00:56:30,800 --> 00:56:34,160
Speaker 2: Don't think so honey, when cute straight guys aren't gay.

996
00:56:34,680 --> 00:56:38,400
Speaker 2: I was at a wonderful event last night helping to

997
00:56:38,440 --> 00:56:42,040
Speaker 2: support Sean Wang, the director the Oscar nominated director of

998
00:56:42,200 --> 00:56:45,239
Speaker 2: Night nine and Ypo, which is the documentary short that

999
00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:47,280
Speaker 2: was nominated at the Oscars this year. It's on Disney

1000
00:56:47,280 --> 00:56:49,839
Speaker 2: Place if you want to check it out to seventeen minutes.

1001
00:56:49,880 --> 00:56:51,480
Speaker 2: But he's coming up with the movie on July twenty six,

1002
00:56:51,600 --> 00:56:54,799
Speaker 2: called Dedi and it takes place in two thousand and eight.

1003
00:56:54,840 --> 00:56:57,760
Speaker 2: It's like a coming of age story taking place in California.

1004
00:56:57,800 --> 00:57:00,400
Speaker 2: Of this like Chinese kid who's growing up, the oldest

1005
00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:03,359
Speaker 2: sister in thirty second single mom, the grandma's living there

1006
00:57:03,360 --> 00:57:06,680
Speaker 2: with them. I have never related to a movie more,

1007
00:57:07,040 --> 00:57:10,120
Speaker 2: at least not in a while. Joan Chen is a

1008
00:57:10,360 --> 00:57:14,400
Speaker 2: fucking force of nature. She's one of our fucking best.

1009
00:57:14,680 --> 00:57:18,280
Speaker 2: Put some respect on the name Joan Chen. Watch Shoeshoe

1010
00:57:19,200 --> 00:57:22,560
Speaker 2: The sent Down Girl. Wonderful movie. I can't recommend enough.

1011
00:57:23,240 --> 00:57:26,680
Speaker 2: I feel like Sean Wing is the perfect example of

1012
00:57:26,800 --> 00:57:32,160
Speaker 2: straight cute guy who is just a wonderful person inside

1013
00:57:32,160 --> 00:57:34,240
Speaker 2: and now sing goes for Eric Noam, who's also at

1014
00:57:34,240 --> 00:57:37,440
Speaker 2: the dinner. K pop star from Atlanta. Gosh, I mean,

1015
00:57:37,480 --> 00:57:39,760
Speaker 2: like they're missing out, We're missing out. It's a shame sometimes,

1016
00:57:39,840 --> 00:57:41,560
Speaker 2: you know, like sometimes you just feel that way about

1017
00:57:41,560 --> 00:57:44,240
Speaker 2: certain guys. You're like, oh, what a that's a bummer.

1018
00:57:44,800 --> 00:57:47,200
Speaker 1: And that's when Minta and change and I have to say,

1019
00:57:47,200 --> 00:57:50,200
Speaker 1: I agree with you, sister. I mean, sometimes I'll meet

1020
00:57:50,240 --> 00:57:52,200
Speaker 1: a straight who has that thing.

1021
00:57:52,680 --> 00:57:54,560
Speaker 2: Ninety nine percent of the time i'll meet a straight guy,

1022
00:57:54,600 --> 00:57:57,480
Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, no problem. Even if they're like wonderfully

1023
00:57:58,000 --> 00:58:01,080
Speaker 2: attractive or great on paper whatever, I'm like, no problem.

1024
00:58:01,200 --> 00:58:03,800
Speaker 2: I can cope with that. But every now and then

1025
00:58:03,840 --> 00:58:05,440
Speaker 2: you meet a couple people where you're like.

1026
00:58:05,560 --> 00:58:08,360
Speaker 1: Damn, who sticks? Who sticks? They stick?

1027
00:58:08,880 --> 00:58:12,280
Speaker 2: And we're like, oh, that's that stings, you know.

1028
00:58:13,080 --> 00:58:17,640
Speaker 1: Well, I recently embarrassed myself. It was like a month ago,

1029
00:58:17,760 --> 00:58:19,800
Speaker 1: we were doing game show and one of the contestants,

1030
00:58:19,800 --> 00:58:22,000
Speaker 1: one of the straight contestants. That's famously the conceit is

1031
00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:26,160
Speaker 1: that there's two straight contestants competing, and I had such

1032
00:58:26,200 --> 00:58:29,040
Speaker 1: a crush on one of them. And he actually said

1033
00:58:29,320 --> 00:58:31,480
Speaker 1: I didn't realize he was in front of me, but

1034
00:58:31,560 --> 00:58:34,720
Speaker 1: I said, oh, wowed, like, oh my god, I would

1035
00:58:34,880 --> 00:58:37,200
Speaker 1: know it all away if he were ever to decide

1036
00:58:37,240 --> 00:58:38,120
Speaker 1: he was gay, et cetera.

1037
00:58:38,200 --> 00:58:39,200
Speaker 2: I think I know what you're talking about.

1038
00:58:39,200 --> 00:58:41,640
Speaker 1: And he was right there and I didn't even realize

1039
00:58:41,640 --> 00:58:43,440
Speaker 1: he was there, and I was so embarrassed, and I

1040
00:58:43,440 --> 00:58:45,040
Speaker 1: felt like I had embarrassed him, and I was like,

1041
00:58:45,120 --> 00:58:49,200
Speaker 1: oh no, but that was my vulnerable moment. I know.

1042
00:58:49,280 --> 00:58:51,560
Speaker 1: But it's okay. It's okay to have a crush, like

1043
00:58:51,680 --> 00:58:54,840
Speaker 1: it's just like and honestly, sometimes it's nicer to have

1044
00:58:54,880 --> 00:58:56,640
Speaker 1: a crush on a straight person because at least now

1045
00:58:56,640 --> 00:58:59,000
Speaker 1: you don't not to deal with any of their bullshit,

1046
00:58:59,440 --> 00:59:01,560
Speaker 1: because that's a whole other thing that I'm so annoyed

1047
00:59:01,600 --> 00:59:04,200
Speaker 1: about right now, which is like dating in the summer,

1048
00:59:04,280 --> 00:59:06,520
Speaker 1: or like trying to engage with guys on the Saturday.

1049
00:59:06,640 --> 00:59:09,800
Speaker 1: You're all so annoying. All all anyone wants is attention,

1050
00:59:10,400 --> 00:59:11,919
Speaker 1: and then you give them attention.

1051
00:59:11,680 --> 00:59:14,919
Speaker 2: And I'm just so over it. I'm so over it.

1052
00:59:15,240 --> 00:59:19,080
Speaker 2: Get stay out of my dms. If you're just trying

1053
00:59:19,120 --> 00:59:22,440
Speaker 2: to get you, I'm like, no, none of us have

1054
00:59:22,520 --> 00:59:25,640
Speaker 2: the time, including you. I'm trying to met you like

1055
00:59:25,840 --> 00:59:29,600
Speaker 2: these guys like you. In the words of Jerry Blank,

1056
00:59:29,880 --> 00:59:33,440
Speaker 2: bring a book, Bring a book, read a book.

1057
00:59:33,840 --> 00:59:37,640
Speaker 1: It's ridiculous, Like when it's like, don't engage with me

1058
00:59:37,800 --> 00:59:40,280
Speaker 1: in a way that would suggest you're down to like

1059
00:59:40,320 --> 00:59:44,360
Speaker 1: see if there's more if like, if that's not true,

1060
00:59:44,560 --> 00:59:47,000
Speaker 1: it's fine. I get it. It's the summer. Everyone wants

1061
00:59:47,000 --> 00:59:49,600
Speaker 1: to have their fun like little single, sexy summer. I

1062
00:59:49,680 --> 00:59:50,080
Speaker 1: get it.

1063
00:59:50,280 --> 00:59:51,280
Speaker 2: Just don't get it.

1064
00:59:51,440 --> 00:59:53,560
Speaker 1: Play. Don't play in anyone's face.

1065
00:59:53,760 --> 00:59:56,360
Speaker 2: Y'all play too much. You're playing in our faces. But

1066
00:59:56,560 --> 01:00:01,200
Speaker 2: I'm encountering on multiple occasions in recent we weeks. And

1067
01:00:01,640 --> 01:00:03,959
Speaker 2: I'm not really complaining about this, although I am, because

1068
01:00:03,960 --> 01:00:06,160
Speaker 2: it is just kind of like fucking annoying. Is like

1069
01:00:06,320 --> 01:00:10,800
Speaker 2: guys talking to me on the apps, like expressing genuine interest, flirting,

1070
01:00:10,920 --> 01:00:13,880
Speaker 2: and then oh, I see what the endgame is then

1071
01:00:13,960 --> 01:00:18,240
Speaker 2: being like, so, I'm just actually curious if you'd want

1072
01:00:18,240 --> 01:00:20,840
Speaker 2: to come on my on the podcast that I started. No,

1073
01:00:21,080 --> 01:00:23,240
Speaker 2: I don't want to do that. That's fucking weird. That's

1074
01:00:23,280 --> 01:00:26,320
Speaker 2: a weird pretense. And don't fucking do that with people.

1075
01:00:26,880 --> 01:00:29,480
Speaker 2: Just don't do that with anybody period. Do not like

1076
01:00:29,680 --> 01:00:32,600
Speaker 2: flirt with them textually in the hopes that you can

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Speaker 2: book them on your podcast. Get the fuck out. That's

1078
01:00:36,600 --> 01:00:39,000
Speaker 2: I can't fucket southetic. It's so weird.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes I'm like, I can't even make I don't even know. Like,

1080
01:00:41,640 --> 01:00:43,960
Speaker 1: I guess I should just go into every situation now

1081
01:00:44,200 --> 01:00:47,800
Speaker 1: just assuming it's like totally platonic and friends and like,

1082
01:00:48,280 --> 01:00:51,600
Speaker 1: don't ever assume anything from anyone. But the fact is

1083
01:00:51,600 --> 01:00:53,800
Speaker 1: that some of us are thirty four and actually trying

1084
01:00:53,880 --> 01:00:56,360
Speaker 1: to find, yeah, a situation.

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01:00:56,520 --> 01:00:59,880
Speaker 2: And I would say, like, I recommend that mindset, Matt,

1086
01:01:00,080 --> 01:01:02,720
Speaker 2: But like, also, I've been doing that for a while now,

1087
01:01:02,760 --> 01:01:06,680
Speaker 2: and I can't say that it's like yielded any great results.

1088
01:01:06,720 --> 01:01:09,400
Speaker 2: I mean, like, I'm polite, I give people their boundaries.

1089
01:01:09,400 --> 01:01:13,960
Speaker 2: It is good to assume platonic pretense. But I am

1090
01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:15,560
Speaker 2: also like, oh, but like I wonder if I've missed

1091
01:01:15,600 --> 01:01:17,840
Speaker 2: down on things. But that's also like it's impossible, Like

1092
01:01:17,880 --> 01:01:19,479
Speaker 2: you're damned if you do, you're damned if you don't.

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01:01:20,080 --> 01:01:24,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's it's.

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01:01:23,720 --> 01:01:28,480
Speaker 2: Like anyway, back to my point, some some really wonderful

1095
01:01:28,520 --> 01:01:30,720
Speaker 2: straight guys are out there, and we celebrate you. We

1096
01:01:30,760 --> 01:01:33,680
Speaker 2: celebrate Sean Wing. Go check out Dty in theaters. July

1097
01:01:33,760 --> 01:01:38,080
Speaker 2: twenty sixth. Fantastic Joan Chen. I will not shut the

1098
01:01:38,080 --> 01:01:41,040
Speaker 2: fuck up about Joan Chen. That is one of a talent,

1099
01:01:41,720 --> 01:01:46,160
Speaker 2: a talent, Oh my god. And she is the funniest

1100
01:01:46,200 --> 01:01:49,520
Speaker 2: motherfucker on set, on any set she's on, I have

1101
01:01:49,560 --> 01:01:50,280
Speaker 2: a good authority.

1102
01:01:50,840 --> 01:01:54,400
Speaker 1: We love when people earn that, earn that Moniker, funniest.

1103
01:01:53,960 --> 01:01:58,840
Speaker 2: Sons, funniest bit, no bitch that on the wedding bank

1104
01:01:58,880 --> 01:02:03,240
Speaker 2: when it was Joan motherfucker Chen. Love hera love love

1105
01:02:03,760 --> 01:02:10,400
Speaker 2: love hera Hurrah, hurrah speaking the funniest on set. I

1106
01:02:10,440 --> 01:02:14,600
Speaker 2: mean congratulations to everyone involved with O Mary Finally on Broadway.

1107
01:02:15,200 --> 01:02:18,840
Speaker 2: I saw it on Friday. I mean, just a perfect show,

1108
01:02:19,000 --> 01:02:22,360
Speaker 2: a perfect show, and I'm so happy for everyone involved.

1109
01:02:23,400 --> 01:02:27,120
Speaker 2: Cole James Scully, Connor, Rick Moa, Hannah Solo.

1110
01:02:27,600 --> 01:02:34,720
Speaker 1: Peter Smith, Peter Smith, Sam Pinkleton, everybody, everybody crew, We love.

1111
01:02:34,560 --> 01:02:38,200
Speaker 2: Them wonderful, wonderful and go check it out.

1112
01:02:38,280 --> 01:02:41,200
Speaker 1: That's some great news, right to feel to feel so

1113
01:02:41,240 --> 01:02:44,760
Speaker 1: excited for them, Like, yeah, I mean that's amazing, that's amazing.

1114
01:02:44,960 --> 01:02:50,640
Speaker 2: That's one shining light in the void. And I think

1115
01:02:50,640 --> 01:02:53,280
Speaker 2: we should. I really love hearing you talk about books.

1116
01:02:53,360 --> 01:02:54,760
Speaker 2: I think you should start reading more.

1117
01:02:55,240 --> 01:02:59,840
Speaker 1: Well, reading more is so I'm drinking a lot less,

1118
01:03:00,360 --> 01:03:03,560
Speaker 1: a lot less, I'm reading more. I'm trying to take

1119
01:03:03,600 --> 01:03:05,960
Speaker 1: care of my skin. Honestly, I always been kind of

1120
01:03:06,040 --> 01:03:09,480
Speaker 1: nice over the past few days. I'm like because like,

1121
01:03:10,200 --> 01:03:13,800
Speaker 1: while I feel like less impetus to go out and

1122
01:03:13,840 --> 01:03:17,040
Speaker 1: do things here just because whatever reason, it also like

1123
01:03:17,280 --> 01:03:22,160
Speaker 1: keeps me fucking healthy and in my own lane, no problem,

1124
01:03:22,280 --> 01:03:24,960
Speaker 1: because New York has been kind of chaotic recently.

1125
01:03:25,000 --> 01:03:27,400
Speaker 2: From sure, you know what I've been doing ever since

1126
01:03:27,440 --> 01:03:30,720
Speaker 2: I got back, like in a manic way almost is

1127
01:03:31,840 --> 01:03:40,000
Speaker 2: doing all my laundry and folding all my bed linens.

1128
01:03:40,040 --> 01:03:44,720
Speaker 2: And it's actually really satisfying. And I can fucking fold

1129
01:03:44,840 --> 01:03:47,800
Speaker 2: any fitted sheet now, like it's my job and I

1130
01:03:47,800 --> 01:03:50,760
Speaker 2: would be happy to do it for anyone.

1131
01:03:51,080 --> 01:03:53,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, can I tell you what I'm feeling I'm feeling

1132
01:03:53,160 --> 01:03:55,640
Speaker 1: like readers, I'm sorry, like I feel I feel like

1133
01:03:55,760 --> 01:04:00,120
Speaker 1: I feel like about what. I don't want to be

1134
01:04:00,240 --> 01:04:02,800
Speaker 1: so negative about the state of the world and Katy Perry,

1135
01:04:02,920 --> 01:04:06,920
Speaker 1: but they leave me no choice. It's your truth.

1136
01:04:07,440 --> 01:04:11,000
Speaker 2: Also, you just got the news that fucking your bag

1137
01:04:11,360 --> 01:04:14,200
Speaker 2: is still not at your house, which you were promised

1138
01:04:14,240 --> 01:04:17,520
Speaker 2: it would be days ago. But I didn't realize that

1139
01:04:17,560 --> 01:04:19,640
Speaker 2: this is your first time losing checked luggage. I've had

1140
01:04:19,640 --> 01:04:23,080
Speaker 2: it happened several times, and I told and I kept

1141
01:04:23,120 --> 01:04:25,000
Speaker 2: having to reassure Matt in a way that I didn't mind.

1142
01:04:25,040 --> 01:04:27,240
Speaker 2: I was like, no, no, like anytime I've lost my luggage,

1143
01:04:27,240 --> 01:04:29,280
Speaker 2: like it's gotten back to me, they will send it

1144
01:04:29,320 --> 01:04:31,240
Speaker 2: back to you. They can't even do that, which is

1145
01:04:31,280 --> 01:04:34,800
Speaker 2: like a basic fucking part of the contract. But like,

1146
01:04:35,280 --> 01:04:37,800
Speaker 2: I'm really sorry, and you don't have to apologize for

1147
01:04:37,880 --> 01:04:43,160
Speaker 2: being a little bit, you know, ornery, so whatever.

1148
01:04:43,200 --> 01:04:45,200
Speaker 1: I'm also fresh, I'm fresh out of therapy and I

1149
01:04:45,240 --> 01:04:46,400
Speaker 1: actually did cry today.

1150
01:04:47,160 --> 01:04:51,760
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, Hey, here's something. What a journey I'm on

1151
01:04:52,680 --> 01:04:55,040
Speaker 2: talking to another friend about EMDR and I'm like, I

1152
01:04:55,040 --> 01:04:57,720
Speaker 2: gotta just do it. I really got to just do it.

1153
01:04:57,760 --> 01:05:00,280
Speaker 2: I straight up no no, no, but I'm to bring

1154
01:05:00,320 --> 01:05:02,440
Speaker 2: it up. I did bring up to my therapist who

1155
01:05:02,440 --> 01:05:04,240
Speaker 2: specializes in kindemy therapy. I was like, do you think

1156
01:05:04,240 --> 01:05:06,520
Speaker 2: I'm a good candidate. He was like no, Like what

1157
01:05:06,600 --> 01:05:09,919
Speaker 2: you're going through is like pretty normal at this point,

1158
01:05:10,040 --> 01:05:12,640
Speaker 2: like you've come a long way since last year when

1159
01:05:12,640 --> 01:05:14,240
Speaker 2: I had like a bad moment and he was just like,

1160
01:05:14,920 --> 01:05:18,080
Speaker 2: that's not your thing, and but I did. I did

1161
01:05:18,160 --> 01:05:20,400
Speaker 2: have to, like inspired by Orna, I was just like,

1162
01:05:20,520 --> 01:05:22,040
Speaker 2: just tell me what's going on. I need you to

1163
01:05:22,040 --> 01:05:24,120
Speaker 2: tell me what's going on with me. And he was like, Okay,

1164
01:05:24,200 --> 01:05:27,320
Speaker 2: here's what I'm thinking and whatever. But EMDR, I think

1165
01:05:27,360 --> 01:05:28,520
Speaker 2: I think I'm gonna look into it.

1166
01:05:28,960 --> 01:05:31,280
Speaker 1: Give it a shot, because honestly, I had a breakthrough

1167
01:05:31,320 --> 01:05:33,320
Speaker 1: every single time. I didn't do it. Today. I just

1168
01:05:33,320 --> 01:05:35,919
Speaker 1: did regular talk therapy today because there was a lot

1169
01:05:35,960 --> 01:05:40,080
Speaker 1: to talk about and a lot going on, not just

1170
01:05:40,160 --> 01:05:43,680
Speaker 1: in the macro but in the micro and yeah, it

1171
01:05:43,720 --> 01:05:48,240
Speaker 1: was good. But I am therapy is forty minutes away

1172
01:05:48,280 --> 01:05:51,200
Speaker 1: from me, so I drove the forty minutes there, forty

1173
01:05:51,240 --> 01:05:52,800
Speaker 1: minutes back here, and now I have to do the

1174
01:05:52,840 --> 01:05:55,360
Speaker 1: hour to lax the hour back, and I guess the

1175
01:05:55,400 --> 01:05:57,720
Speaker 1: good news is. I will be streaming joy Ride by

1176
01:05:57,760 --> 01:06:01,400
Speaker 1: Kasha the entire time because what I am happy about

1177
01:06:01,440 --> 01:06:04,040
Speaker 1: is the fact that it's absolutely smoking woman's World on

1178
01:06:04,080 --> 01:06:07,680
Speaker 1: the charts. So victory for Kesha. By the way, Kesha,

1179
01:06:07,720 --> 01:06:09,480
Speaker 1: you were amazing. We hope Pride.

1180
01:06:09,800 --> 01:06:11,240
Speaker 2: She's a great TED talk up too.

1181
01:06:11,880 --> 01:06:14,600
Speaker 1: Oh, I saw that. I read that the alchemy of pop.

1182
01:06:14,400 --> 01:06:16,000
Speaker 2: The alchemy of pop. It's great. She she can hear

1183
01:06:16,120 --> 01:06:18,200
Speaker 2: it to scuba diving because she liked scuba dive.

1184
01:06:18,880 --> 01:06:21,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was a good Ted. I'm happy you watched it. Yeah,

1185
01:06:21,120 --> 01:06:21,760
Speaker 1: I watched it too.

1186
01:06:22,120 --> 01:06:27,880
Speaker 2: Yeah. Stream toy Ride stream Charmed by Claro. Fantastic new album.

1187
01:06:28,320 --> 01:06:30,400
Speaker 1: There's another song I really like, too wish I wanted

1188
01:06:30,440 --> 01:06:34,840
Speaker 1: to tell you about which it is. No, it's not real,

1189
01:06:34,960 --> 01:06:36,440
Speaker 1: but I did see that you are posting that, and

1190
01:06:36,440 --> 01:06:39,640
Speaker 1: I will. I will get into that. It's actually it's

1191
01:06:39,720 --> 01:06:42,800
Speaker 1: very Lana coded. It's called Summer Song by Remy Bond.

1192
01:06:43,640 --> 01:06:44,840
Speaker 2: Oh.

1193
01:06:44,960 --> 01:06:45,520
Speaker 1: Check it out.

1194
01:06:45,720 --> 01:06:47,480
Speaker 2: Okay, girl, thanks for the rat.

1195
01:06:47,560 --> 01:06:50,800
Speaker 1: I put it on my Big Beautiful Blonde Summer playlist.

1196
01:06:51,000 --> 01:06:54,600
Speaker 1: It's the last track. Anyways, we're still in it. Well,

1197
01:06:54,600 --> 01:06:57,480
Speaker 1: I love your sister, have fun going to lax, Stay safe, girl,

1198
01:06:58,400 --> 01:07:00,440
Speaker 1: Love you, queen, I can't believe I have to do that.

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01:07:00,840 --> 01:07:04,320
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, but it's almost over. Our Long National Nightmare

1200
01:07:04,520 --> 01:07:06,040
Speaker 2: is almost over.

1201
01:07:06,280 --> 01:07:10,120
Speaker 1: Should this episode be called Long National Nightmare? I oh,

1202
01:07:10,160 --> 01:07:12,560
Speaker 1: I don't know that long Long International Nightmare.

1203
01:07:13,040 --> 01:07:15,520
Speaker 2: I claimed an earlier title of that, which was that

1204
01:07:15,560 --> 01:07:17,520
Speaker 2: this is the reason, this is the reason, this is

1205
01:07:17,520 --> 01:07:19,840
Speaker 2: the reason. Okay, this is the reason we got to

1206
01:07:19,840 --> 01:07:21,960
Speaker 2: give that woman her flowers because that was that was

1207
01:07:22,040 --> 01:07:23,240
Speaker 2: an iconic delivery.

1208
01:07:23,800 --> 01:07:27,600
Speaker 1: Should it be this is the reason parentheses Long International Nightmare?

1209
01:07:27,880 --> 01:07:28,640
Speaker 1: Like it's a song?

1210
01:07:29,320 --> 01:07:33,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is the reason parenthesis Long International Nightmare. All right, Well,

1211
01:07:34,000 --> 01:07:35,280
Speaker 2: the end every episode with the song.

1212
01:07:36,880 --> 01:07:37,720
Speaker 1: It's a moment.

1213
01:07:38,000 --> 01:07:39,320
Speaker 2: Just kidding, just kidding.

1214
01:07:39,640 --> 01:07:40,800
Speaker 1: No song this week.

1215
01:07:40,960 --> 01:07:47,240
Speaker 2: Bye, last Culturati. This is the production by Will Ferrell's

1216
01:07:47,240 --> 01:07:49,160
Speaker 2: Big Money Players and I Heart Radio Podcasts.

1217
01:07:49,160 --> 01:07:52,480
Speaker 1: Created and hosted by Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang. Executive

1218
01:07:52,520 --> 01:07:54,680
Speaker 1: produced by Anna Hosnier and Hans.

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01:07:54,520 --> 01:07:57,840
Speaker 2: Sony, Produced by Becka Ramos, edited mixed by Doug Bammami

1220
01:07:57,880 --> 01:08:00,480
Speaker 2: Flaboard and our music is by Henry Escape

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Speaker 1: Stop