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Speaker 1: Ridiculous Crime is a production of My Heart Radio. Yo,

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Speaker 1: Elizabeth Dotton, you know what's ridiculous? Sure, I do think

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Speaker 1: it's always ridiculous food crossover. Damn it today in messed

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Speaker 1: up the crossovers. All right, this is ridiculous. Paula Deene

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Speaker 1: sells butter flavored lip bomb. Okay, good done, yes for

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Speaker 1: good for I got it. I got the whole picture. Uh,

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Speaker 1: first of all, is she still a thing? I mean,

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Speaker 1: I suppose she's still a human being. Yeah, and she's

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Speaker 1: still a butter salesman. I didn't think that she had

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Speaker 1: anything going on, but she's got a website with a store.

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Speaker 1: A lot of people didn't care about the whole flat

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Speaker 1: I guess anyway, So she makes lip bomb and it's

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Speaker 1: in butter flavor. It's also banana cream and key lime.

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Speaker 1: But let's talk about butter lip bombs. I think we

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Speaker 1: should back up to key lime. I think you're really

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Speaker 1: missing the market. But it's like, okay, but because that's

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Speaker 1: what you want for Christmas, key line, Poladen lit bone,

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Speaker 1: this is the most depressing thing to So yeah, she um,

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Speaker 1: she has these and they look really budget and they're

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Speaker 1: for sale in her online store for two dollars and

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Speaker 1: forty nine cents us. Um. I'm not even gonna look

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Speaker 1: at what else she sells her because I really care.

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Speaker 1: But here's the thing. So somewhere there in China there's

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Speaker 1: a factory making polodine butter chapstick. Did you know what

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Speaker 1: the what the tagline is? Oh no, there's a tagline,

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Speaker 1: put a little South in your mouth he has. With

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Speaker 1: the flap that she got, she lost her whole empire. Four.

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Speaker 1: That's funny. It's a little South in your mouth. She's like,

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm leaning into it. Yeah, I gotta sell maga

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Speaker 1: butter crowd just just sucking on a butter flavored lip bomb. Now,

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Speaker 1: so there you go. Good, good for her. Let live

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Speaker 1: your life. That's ridiculous, itous, ridiculous. It's ridiculous. I mean

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Speaker 1: it polydene butter products. So I mean, right there, I've

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Speaker 1: got one for you. He got a moment, Yes, I did,

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Speaker 1: not going anywhere. Okay. This is a story of a patriot,

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Speaker 1: cause I know you love patriots, and it's a proud,

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Speaker 1: the wrongs of Napoleon for stealing a great treasure from

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Speaker 1: the land of his birth and so are blue collar

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Speaker 1: anti hero. He felt he was compelled to act. He

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Speaker 1: had to for his country and their pride, and you know,

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Speaker 1: he was a patriot after all. So one day he

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Speaker 1: went to the Louver and he stole the Mona Lisa.

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Speaker 1: Oh wow, this is ridiculous crime. A podcast about absurd

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Speaker 1: and outrageous capers, heights and cons. It's always murder free

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Speaker 1: and ridiculous. All right, Elizabeth, Yes, what do you know

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Speaker 1: about the painting the Mona Lisa by Leonardo Ven It's

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Speaker 1: a painting you see, it's in the Louver, and uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, I've never seen it in person. Really, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you've been to the Loop. It was a long story

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Speaker 1: and very complicated how I was toward it at every turn,

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Speaker 1: get yeah, but it just didn't work out anyway. But

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Speaker 1: from what I understand, it's first smaller than people realize. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I've I've been to the Louver. I've seen it in personally. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm just a world traveler, Elizabeth, A jet center. If

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Speaker 1: you will be jealous, It's okay. I'm used to it, so, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I saw It's it's tiny, I mean not tiny, like

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Speaker 1: what you're not a da Vinci. He's just one of

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Speaker 1: the people that, in small ways he's still impact how

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Speaker 1: know the painting. Well, if I just kind of casually reference, Okay, yeah,

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Speaker 1: hey man, I took art history in college, right, I

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Speaker 1: forget you cultured. I took it because I failed calculus

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Speaker 1: What I'm trying to say. And you understand the background

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Speaker 1: The do you know that in the background, if you

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Speaker 1: Now Some people have also said that it's a self

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Speaker 1: name is Vincenzo Perugia. He was a glass man, a glazier,

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Speaker 1: the newspapers are like, okay, two days, two days past,

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00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:10,240
Speaker 1: nobody steps forward, nobody asked for a ransom to go

422
00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:12,600
Speaker 1: back to the gendarmes, what's is going on with the

423
00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:16,680
Speaker 1: Mona Lisa, they're like, maybe three days. So the French police, though,

424
00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:18,560
Speaker 1: they have very few clues to go off of, so

425
00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:21,000
Speaker 1: they're stalling because they got nothing right, but they do

426
00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:27,000
Speaker 1: have Alphonse Elizabeth you know who al phones bout Tolan

427
00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:30,560
Speaker 1: is Okay, I didn't either. But this guy, he's apparently

428
00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:34,280
Speaker 1: the father of the bug shot and a camera love

429
00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:37,760
Speaker 1: each other very much. He is the father of the

430
00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:40,600
Speaker 1: mug shot, and he invented the game. Basically, he's like, yeah,

431
00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:42,760
Speaker 1: we get photos of these people, will know who they are.

432
00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:47,160
Speaker 1: People are so unlike the Mona Lisa. The mug shot

433
00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:50,359
Speaker 1: is an unflattering profile shot, not a three quarter turn right,

434
00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:54,440
Speaker 1: It yet still reveals humanity in a way. Yeah. Old

435
00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:58,480
Speaker 1: mug shots are pretty pretty. They're amazing. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

436
00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:01,480
Speaker 1: we talked about this anyway. So this the dude to

437
00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:03,640
Speaker 1: invents the lug shot, he's a French cop and he's

438
00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:06,399
Speaker 1: on the case, right, So he's like, all right, French

439
00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:09,040
Speaker 1: police with me, We're going to look for clues, right,

440
00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:11,960
Speaker 1: And so they go and they find a fingerprint on

441
00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:15,920
Speaker 1: the glass case a clue. This feels very much like

442
00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:20,719
Speaker 1: a Wes Anderson montage. I'm about to be putting you're welcome.

443
00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:25,320
Speaker 1: So he has all two hundred and fifty seven employees

444
00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:27,920
Speaker 1: of the louver who worked that day submit to be

445
00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:30,560
Speaker 1: fingerprinted to see if they are the one whose fingerprint

446
00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:32,280
Speaker 1: it was. But the problem with his plan is is

447
00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:34,760
Speaker 1: Vinny Perugia is in the wind. He's not coming back.

448
00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:37,840
Speaker 1: He's done. Meanwhile, the French police they have to hit

449
00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:39,800
Speaker 1: the beat there on the streets. They're using the old

450
00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:42,320
Speaker 1: shoe leather technique. They're handed out leaflets. They're asking all

451
00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:45,919
Speaker 1: their snitches, like anybody know anything more days past, nobody

452
00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:50,800
Speaker 1: knows anything. Six hundred leaflets are passed out. Frank reward

453
00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:55,320
Speaker 1: is offered. Nothing. Nobody's coming forward, right, except for once

454
00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:59,560
Speaker 1: the reward is offered, people start coming forward family members.

455
00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:01,800
Speaker 1: They start stitching on their family that it was my

456
00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:03,960
Speaker 1: more freend Gan Luke. I swear you should come in

457
00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:06,520
Speaker 1: and I'll rest him. So people like like, no, no,

458
00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:09,000
Speaker 1: there was my coworker and my boss Frandi. Go through

459
00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:11,520
Speaker 1: his house and you'll search, you will find it. So

460
00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:13,560
Speaker 1: people are doing that, and then you know, some folks

461
00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:15,840
Speaker 1: are real certain that it was the Germans. It is

462
00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:19,720
Speaker 1: definitely right. And then there's the busy bodies and paranoid

463
00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:21,480
Speaker 1: types who were there are two cents in But this

464
00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:23,399
Speaker 1: is the only thing that the French police I have

465
00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:28,600
Speaker 1: to work with basically Twitter. So the newspapers around the

466
00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:31,240
Speaker 1: world they picked this up and it becomes a media circus,

467
00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:33,960
Speaker 1: and you know, this is basically one of the first

468
00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:37,080
Speaker 1: big media sensations of the young century. It happens before

469
00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:42,280
Speaker 1: the Lindbergh baby. This is I don't remember this happening. Yeah, well,

470
00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:48,480
Speaker 1: you're very young at the time. So anyway, a week

471
00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:51,840
Speaker 1: past and the gendarmes have no suspects, no leads to

472
00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:55,159
Speaker 1: go on, just a bunch of frenchmen going it's the Germans, right,

473
00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:58,280
Speaker 1: So people are like, why wo the guys, I want

474
00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:02,280
Speaker 1: to steal them on that, Lisa, come on, your French

475
00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:04,160
Speaker 1: did of course the most French thing to do. After

476
00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:06,119
Speaker 1: a week has passed and there's no Mona Lisa. What

477
00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:09,879
Speaker 1: do you think they did? You said, the most French

478
00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:12,719
Speaker 1: thing that could possibly do. Tell me whatever offensive thing.

479
00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:17,160
Speaker 1: They reopened the loop after they shut it for the week,

480
00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:20,520
Speaker 1: and they invited crowds, crowds to come into the museum

481
00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:22,920
Speaker 1: and to stare at the blank spot where the Mona

482
00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:28,320
Speaker 1: Lisa used to. People came, he had the droves and

483
00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:30,800
Speaker 1: they stood there like, look at its absence. It doesn't

484
00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:35,840
Speaker 1: want powerful. And one of the famous lookye lose was

485
00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:42,880
Speaker 1: your man Franz Kafka because change in metamorphosish. Yeah, they're

486
00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:47,240
Speaker 1: all staring at it. One solitary too, yeah, smoking French cigarettes.

487
00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:49,880
Speaker 1: Well it speaks to me, just talking like a mean

488
00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:54,840
Speaker 1: So now you may be asking, Elizabeth, yes, probably whatever

489
00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:58,920
Speaker 1: it is, what happened to the Perugia brothers Can I

490
00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:01,840
Speaker 1: make a guess? Yes? Please? Did they go to the Homeland?

491
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:04,560
Speaker 1: Did they go to Italy? Oh it's a really good guess. No, No,

492
00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:09,760
Speaker 1: did they take to the sewers? Another good guess? A

493
00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:12,480
Speaker 1: better guess. I like that one once again. I'm sadly No.

494
00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:15,280
Speaker 1: While everyone was staring at the blank space or the

495
00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:18,199
Speaker 1: Mona Lisa used to be the superhero Mario brothers, they

496
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:21,320
Speaker 1: were in the wind and specifically we'll focus less on

497
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:25,480
Speaker 1: Michel and and talk about Vincenzo because he stole the

498
00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:27,600
Speaker 1: Mona Lisa and he has it. He takes it to

499
00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:30,800
Speaker 1: a very special place, his boarding house. He puts it

500
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:33,520
Speaker 1: on the far boards of his boarding house. He just

501
00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:35,560
Speaker 1: hides it there and he's like, oh, this may not

502
00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:37,480
Speaker 1: be good because of the moisture. So he puts it

503
00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:39,440
Speaker 1: in a stuffs it in a trunk and then that's

504
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:42,240
Speaker 1: where it stays in a boarding house. And I wish

505
00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:45,600
Speaker 1: that he was a real sicko and like put with

506
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:50,520
Speaker 1: him and like y and like a real sickish she

507
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:53,800
Speaker 1: was a real sicko and put it under his trench coat.

508
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:56,000
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, he wear clothes into the trench coat.

509
00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:59,600
Speaker 1: But then like go to the loose and stare at

510
00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:02,800
Speaker 1: the blank wall with it under his trench coat with

511
00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:05,960
Speaker 1: everyone else, and he should go in like flash people

512
00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:09,840
Speaker 1: with it and just come a quick instantly. He's wearing

513
00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:12,120
Speaker 1: nothing under his trench coat, but he's got it sort

514
00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:16,320
Speaker 1: of like tied in his like one of the sandwich boards,

515
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:19,360
Speaker 1: and he's a flash very well. He's a tiny guy.

516
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:22,000
Speaker 1: Do you know what I learned? Michael Jordan's the reason

517
00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:26,000
Speaker 1: why he wore big shorts was because he always wore

518
00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:30,119
Speaker 1: his U n C shorts from college underneath his professional

519
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:33,439
Speaker 1: under his college under his bowls uniform. So that's why

520
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:35,159
Speaker 1: he had to get bigger. The whole reason it was

521
00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:36,840
Speaker 1: not because like he thought it looked dope. He's like,

522
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:40,640
Speaker 1: I want to hide the fact I'm weird my lucky

523
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:45,720
Speaker 1: shorts from every game apparently during his whole career, the

524
00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:51,040
Speaker 1: same pair of shorts. Anyway, So boarding house Vincent Perugia,

525
00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:53,480
Speaker 1: he's got the Mona Lisa stuffed in the trunk and

526
00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:59,040
Speaker 1: he's just hidden there like like Michael Jordan's boxers. The

527
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:02,239
Speaker 1: French cops they come to his place because he's one

528
00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:05,760
Speaker 1: of the loub employees, and eventually to his house and

529
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:07,560
Speaker 1: was like, oh, we want to talk to you know,

530
00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:12,800
Speaker 1: my man Vinny sick. He's saying really offensive hand gestures.

531
00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:15,600
Speaker 1: So the French cops in question. I mean, but Vinny,

532
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:18,560
Speaker 1: he stays cool, hot headed as he is. My man

533
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:21,480
Speaker 1: is like cooler than a polar bears toenails, and my

534
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:24,320
Speaker 1: big boy would say right, I mean, Vanny handles the

535
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:27,000
Speaker 1: cops questions with ease and the lawn and grace. He's

536
00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:29,640
Speaker 1: just batting him away. He's like, oh, I have an alibi,

537
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:34,240
Speaker 1: and he takes a dragon. He gets like where I

538
00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:36,800
Speaker 1: made French for this? You say, see how quick that was.

539
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:41,440
Speaker 1: So they're like, well, where were you? And he's like,

540
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:47,240
Speaker 1: I'm a friend. I was just simply working at a

541
00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:50,280
Speaker 1: different place that day. And they're like, well that works

542
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:57,160
Speaker 1: out for us. Arms left working somewhere else. And the

543
00:29:57,280 --> 00:30:02,680
Speaker 1: tell tale Mona lisas like they're probably ashing on it

544
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:09,280
Speaker 1: as they're smoking with him right everywhere they go, just

545
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:12,520
Speaker 1: a cloud of smoked so Mona Lisa chilling out in

546
00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:15,400
Speaker 1: the trunk. We'll set that aside for a second. Now.

547
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:18,880
Speaker 1: The cops they missed the Mona Lisa and they stopped

548
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:21,720
Speaker 1: harassing Vincenzo because they're busy. They have to go harass

549
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:25,160
Speaker 1: all the famous um artists and poets of the area,

550
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:28,640
Speaker 1: because one of them clearly must have done They On

551
00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:31,000
Speaker 1: the September seven, the cops go and they bust the

552
00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:34,960
Speaker 1: poet Giampa and on suspicion of involvement. And now he

553
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:39,200
Speaker 1: turns out to the Apollonia's secretary, dude named Gary Perey.

554
00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:42,000
Speaker 1: He snitched to a French newspaper and said, oh, yes,

555
00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:44,040
Speaker 1: it's Apollonaria. You need to get after him. He was

556
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:46,400
Speaker 1: telling me all about it. Allegedly he did this because

557
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:47,920
Speaker 1: the two of them had like a spat and yeah,

558
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:49,600
Speaker 1: you wanted to and sell it up. That's the way

559
00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:52,680
Speaker 1: to do it, Yes, exactly, So apollon Are He gets

560
00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:54,880
Speaker 1: arrested and the cops they rough him up. They're like,

561
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:57,880
Speaker 1: where is the Mona Lisa And he's like, I'm a poet, man,

562
00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:01,400
Speaker 1: I can take so many blows, like I heard Sarah

563
00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:04,560
Speaker 1: has it. And he does unspeakable things to He walks

564
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:07,120
Speaker 1: around with a big coat. It's got like a sandwich

565
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:09,360
Speaker 1: board in front of him. So to get himself out

566
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:11,760
Speaker 1: of his legal predicament of poland Are the poet, he

567
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:14,200
Speaker 1: gives you know up the most famous person he knows

568
00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:20,680
Speaker 1: who is Pablo Picasso. He was like, Mona Lisa, get

569
00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:24,280
Speaker 1: the big fish. The cops. They take their floating cloud

570
00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:27,360
Speaker 1: of smoke down to picasso studio and they're like, knock, knock, knock,

571
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:31,200
Speaker 1: and since Picasso like open kicks whatever. Woman's office lad,

572
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:34,200
Speaker 1: and he's like, you're not my wife gets off to

573
00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:37,160
Speaker 1: so he opens the dark. Pocassa is like, who told

574
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:39,680
Speaker 1: you I stole the Mona Lisa. I am offended, don't

575
00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:44,360
Speaker 1: you know? I only steal ideas from African artists. Picassa

576
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:48,040
Speaker 1: didn't say that, but he could have held. What Podcasta

577
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:52,280
Speaker 1: did say was oh, thank god the police. Yes, guys, look,

578
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:54,280
Speaker 1: I have no idea what the Mona Lisa is, but

579
00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:57,680
Speaker 1: I'm so glad you are here because interestingly, I happen

580
00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:00,360
Speaker 1: to have some lost artwork from the Louver and it

581
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:02,840
Speaker 1: may not be stolen, but if you could do me

582
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:06,080
Speaker 1: a solid, since you're going that way, could you return

583
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:08,920
Speaker 1: these stolen artworks to the Louver? Would you do that

584
00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:11,720
Speaker 1: for a brother his own stuff? Yeah? You know he

585
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:14,520
Speaker 1: had stolen stuff from the He just tried to give

586
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:16,720
Speaker 1: it to the cops because he's like, there it's like

587
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:21,640
Speaker 1: a library. Fine. Amnesty it's like we're cool. Now. Look

588
00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:24,280
Speaker 1: I thought he was like, oh, I have these pieces

589
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:27,320
Speaker 1: that were stolen from the Louver and they're his painting. Yeah, sure,

590
00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:31,520
Speaker 1: get hung up. But what it was, you know, the

591
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:35,120
Speaker 1: demos da Avignon, it was the mass for that painting.

592
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 1: That's what he gives back, Like, look, if you invented cubism,

593
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:40,840
Speaker 1: you can have this back. He very much was doing

594
00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:43,920
Speaker 1: a library fine amnesty. Yeah, he was like if I'm not,

595
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 1: don't tell Georges's brock. I've done this. I want all

596
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:50,800
Speaker 1: the credits. So another suspect in this stuff, by the way,

597
00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:55,760
Speaker 1: is the American fat cat banker JP Morgan in yeah,

598
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:58,280
Speaker 1: because at the time JP Morgan was famous for taking

599
00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:00,640
Speaker 1: like a steamliner over to Europe and then he'd take

600
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:02,880
Speaker 1: his vast wealth and drag it around Europe and just

601
00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:05,480
Speaker 1: vacuum up whatever, like what he could from like the

602
00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:08,560
Speaker 1: houses that have these paintings and statutory He's like, oh,

603
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:11,240
Speaker 1: you're falling on hard times, you German Baron. I'll buy

604
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:14,200
Speaker 1: up that stuff. So everybody knew about JP Morgan doing this,

605
00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:16,440
Speaker 1: and the rumors of him being involved got so bad

606
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 1: that the old robber Baron himself had to like come

607
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:21,880
Speaker 1: out and say make a statement to the press, like

608
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:25,640
Speaker 1: I didn't take it all right. People, So they're like, okay,

609
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:28,520
Speaker 1: He's like, look, I am offended. I am you good.

610
00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:30,880
Speaker 1: People should know that I only steal money from orphans,

611
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:34,560
Speaker 1: the infirmed, the elderly, suckers in the stock market, but

612
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:37,760
Speaker 1: I would never steal artwork. Once again, he didn't say that.

613
00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:43,560
Speaker 1: Despite all these accusations and denials and arrest and snitching,

614
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:47,120
Speaker 1: and the Mona Lisa remained missing, still nobody could find it.

615
00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:52,320
Speaker 1: Two years passed as the seasons changed, Elizabeth. No, but

616
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:54,280
Speaker 1: after this short break, I'll tell you what happened to

617
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:56,720
Speaker 1: the Mona Lisa and how is finally returned to the people.

618
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:22,359
Speaker 1: All right, where were we in Paris? Yeah, that's right,

619
00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:29,759
Speaker 1: two years after Vincenzo told the Mona Lisa okay, warrior. Yeah,

620
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:33,720
Speaker 1: so he makes it sound like the Mona Lisa a warrior.

621
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 1: It's not our warrior, Perugia. He sides, you know, what's

622
00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:42,160
Speaker 1: been long enough. I'm gonna go and try to sell

623
00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:45,320
Speaker 1: this painting on the black market. Easy enough. It's just

624
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:48,359
Speaker 1: the most famous painting in the world. He's like, look,

625
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:50,000
Speaker 1: I need to get a big payday. I've written a

626
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:51,520
Speaker 1: letter to my dad telling him, im, we got a

627
00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:54,239
Speaker 1: big score. I need the money, right, I need the

628
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:58,680
Speaker 1: money that changes lives. And it's now so we're just

629
00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:01,600
Speaker 1: moments before War one is about to kick off. People

630
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:03,640
Speaker 1: are getting down, so like, I got to catch a train.

631
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:05,919
Speaker 1: No wait. He originally took this because he was mad

632
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:08,600
Speaker 1: because it was Italian in a French museum. And now

633
00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:12,480
Speaker 1: he's like, but I need money. I'll undress all of

634
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:16,480
Speaker 1: that for you, the naked truth of it. And I

635
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:22,399
Speaker 1: can't wait. So my man Vincenzo, his Luigi brothers, they're

636
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:26,120
Speaker 1: out of the picture. That Lancelot Dama, they're gone for

637
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:28,839
Speaker 1: this point. It's just him working an antique dealer named

638
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:31,200
Speaker 1: Alfredo Gary. Right, he calls us. He sees the dude

639
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:33,359
Speaker 1: has ads. Right, this guy has like as a bout,

640
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:37,480
Speaker 1: like the bus benches, Yeah, the bus benches of Rome Milan. Yes.

641
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 1: Basically he's like in Florence, he's like, look, I'll buy

642
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:42,480
Speaker 1: Grandma stuff because the people like, oh, hey, we need

643
00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:45,640
Speaker 1: money to get out of Italy. So like so he's like, yeah,

644
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:48,000
Speaker 1: pretty much doing a big push at this point. And

645
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:51,160
Speaker 1: so so Vincenzo was like, I can slip something past

646
00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:52,680
Speaker 1: this guy. He seems like he's got a little bent

647
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:55,040
Speaker 1: nose on stuff. He won't you know who, look past it.

648
00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:58,040
Speaker 1: The guy's like, oh, you got the Mona Lisa. Okay, whatever,

649
00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:00,400
Speaker 1: you bring it by the shop. Let's see yet, right,

650
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:03,520
Speaker 1: So he shows up with the Mona Lisa. He brings

651
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:06,279
Speaker 1: good by the shot. He's like, hey, here it is.

652
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:10,040
Speaker 1: So the guy afraid of Gary's like, that's the Mona Lisa.

653
00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:13,360
Speaker 1: What's on the back authenticated? And there's like appropriate stickers,

654
00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:15,560
Speaker 1: the louver marks and everything. He's like, this is the

655
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:17,640
Speaker 1: Mona Lisa. Man, do you know you have the real

656
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:19,800
Speaker 1: Mona Lisa. No one lied to you. This is the

657
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:21,520
Speaker 1: real thing. And he's like, I know. I want to

658
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:24,680
Speaker 1: sell it to you. And he's like I got to

659
00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:28,120
Speaker 1: get out of it. So he's like that. He's like, okay, look,

660
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:31,200
Speaker 1: I know a guy at the you Fitzi Museum in Florence.

661
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:33,680
Speaker 1: He's the guy. If you want to sell this, he's

662
00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:36,000
Speaker 1: the one. I'll have him authenticated because I'm pretty sure

663
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:38,640
Speaker 1: it's the real deal. But I'm just a humble dealer

664
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:41,480
Speaker 1: of antiquities. Where do I know antiques and such? So

665
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:46,160
Speaker 1: let's call my dude, right now, museum, you've been to that? Okay,

666
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:48,040
Speaker 1: we've both been to this. What do you you love

667
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:50,960
Speaker 1: that one? It's like the little rooms and you go

668
00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:53,320
Speaker 1: through and have that huge plasa. So he just feels

669
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:56,600
Speaker 1: really much like you've stepped back in time. Exactly. Do

670
00:36:56,680 --> 00:36:58,960
Speaker 1: you have any favorite paintings, because there's a bunch of Caravaggia.

671
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:00,560
Speaker 1: Is there there a bunch of care of as. I

672
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:05,359
Speaker 1: saw an exhibit of Artemisia Generalisti, which is another one

673
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:09,799
Speaker 1: of my all time favorites in the style of Caravaggio

674
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:12,120
Speaker 1: very much, but yeah, that was and that was just

675
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:15,359
Speaker 1: breathtaking seeing the brush strokes and paintings up close. It's

676
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:17,960
Speaker 1: just it never gets old. It's always just takes the

677
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:21,080
Speaker 1: breath away and actually see the brustaurant, but particularly at

678
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:24,120
Speaker 1: the feet see and like other galleries in Europe, it's

679
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:27,440
Speaker 1: just to be in that kind of space, that space

680
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:34,600
Speaker 1: and is it enhances the experience totally gilded wool when

681
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:39,760
Speaker 1: you're on the tour in the continent. So the director

682
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:42,160
Speaker 1: of the Offizi at that time was a man named

683
00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:46,360
Speaker 1: Giovanni Polgi. Now Giovanni he gets contact by the antique

684
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:49,439
Speaker 1: dealer and he for whatever reasons that only he knows,

685
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:52,480
Speaker 1: he agrees to meet Vincenzo. He's like, bring them by.

686
00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:54,200
Speaker 1: Oh He's like, I don't know. You gotta come to us.

687
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:56,759
Speaker 1: And he's like, really, I gotta leave Florence, Okay, I

688
00:37:56,840 --> 00:37:59,320
Speaker 1: come up to you. So a meeting is arranged to

689
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:02,680
Speaker 1: take place in Alan, right, So Giovanni travels up to Milan.

690
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:06,239
Speaker 1: Vincenzo arrives at the appointed place, and of course he

691
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:08,160
Speaker 1: has the Mona Lisa with him. He just opens up

692
00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:11,640
Speaker 1: his coat and he's like, look, you still got the

693
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:14,200
Speaker 1: sandwich park. You are one hairy man. You are a

694
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:17,760
Speaker 1: kinky son of So just SIT's under his arm, basically

695
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:19,920
Speaker 1: like wrapped in brown paper or whatever. He throws it

696
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:22,760
Speaker 1: down on the table, unwraps it. The museum director inspects

697
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:24,520
Speaker 1: the painting, he has the same reaction. He's like, this

698
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:26,279
Speaker 1: is the real thing. What do you You got the

699
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:28,800
Speaker 1: real Mona Lisa here? And guys like yeah. He's like

700
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:30,480
Speaker 1: oh so if And he's like, now, how much for

701
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:32,640
Speaker 1: that's what I want to know here? How much? What

702
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:34,480
Speaker 1: are you gonna pay me? And he guys like okay,

703
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:36,239
Speaker 1: He's like, well why did you what are you doing

704
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:40,399
Speaker 1: with this, and he's like, I stole the masterpiece for Italia. Yeah,

705
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:43,040
Speaker 1: but I bring Mona Lisa home because that's the Napoleon.

706
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:45,560
Speaker 1: He'd take out a painting out a tree and he

707
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:48,040
Speaker 1: goes off. His hands are flying and going crazy and

708
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:50,320
Speaker 1: he's just going all about patriotic fervor. And they're not

709
00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:52,160
Speaker 1: the long because I told you it's about to be

710
00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:55,080
Speaker 1: World War One. Everyone was like, oh yes. And then

711
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:57,239
Speaker 1: if it's not the Germans, it's the French, you know.

712
00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:00,439
Speaker 1: So what's his museum director gonna do? Is he gonna

713
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:02,400
Speaker 1: buy the paintings for they? Tell you? Or is he

714
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:04,759
Speaker 1: gonna call the police for it? Tell? Yeah? What's he

715
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:08,040
Speaker 1: gonna do it for? It? Tell you? Poggy. He needs

716
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:10,680
Speaker 1: a moment to think. Okay, he says, I'm going to

717
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:13,040
Speaker 1: need to raise the funds. I don't have that money

718
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:15,520
Speaker 1: on me and here in the suit, so let me

719
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:18,480
Speaker 1: go talk to people. And he's like, okay, but do

720
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:20,480
Speaker 1: you mind if I if I hold onto the painting

721
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:22,120
Speaker 1: and I showed the people, I go, I'm trying to

722
00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:24,719
Speaker 1: buy this because they'll they'll believe it if I have

723
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:27,239
Speaker 1: it in my hands. He's like, yeah, no problem, Like

724
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:29,520
Speaker 1: you go, you take it, and so he's like, okay,

725
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:32,440
Speaker 1: for safe keeping, I hang onto. It's like perfect, So

726
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:36,879
Speaker 1: he leaves. Vincenzo leaves black market Warrior. I was like, yeah,

727
00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:39,160
Speaker 1: you hang onto the Mona Lisa. I'll come back and

728
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:41,000
Speaker 1: I'll meet you here and I'll pick up on my million.

729
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:43,440
Speaker 1: The leader and the like or whatever. They remember that

730
00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:46,440
Speaker 1: a right, So Vincenzo leaves the Mona Lisa with Poggy

731
00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:48,360
Speaker 1: and the other guy, and so, now what do you

732
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:52,320
Speaker 1: think they do? Are you in an o ft with it?

733
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:58,040
Speaker 1: They're not me. The museum director immediately calls the police.

734
00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:01,600
Speaker 1: He's like, Toronto, well there's a award. Well he's doing

735
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:07,640
Speaker 1: he he fights the fight. I mean, this is his calling, right,

736
00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:10,200
Speaker 1: So he's true to the cause and he calls up

737
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:13,600
Speaker 1: the police. He's I have this guy. So thirty minutes later,

738
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:16,879
Speaker 1: like a black market Warrior, he's got this rental place

739
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:19,440
Speaker 1: or whatever. Half an hour after his meeting, gets a

740
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:21,400
Speaker 1: knock at the door and he's like, oh, it's my man.

741
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:23,719
Speaker 1: Boy with my money, can do to get and he's

742
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:26,520
Speaker 1: like they're adjusting his tire. He opens up the door

743
00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:28,680
Speaker 1: and there's a Canbieri. Right, So just a bunch of

744
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:35,600
Speaker 1: armed federal police Perugia. He gets arrested, right, was like,

745
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:38,480
Speaker 1: I stole a pig back from Napole and I am

746
00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:42,319
Speaker 1: a patriot, right, still a big max from I stole

747
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:45,920
Speaker 1: a big maca from a Napoleon. So he goes to

748
00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:48,520
Speaker 1: court and I swear to God, that's what it's He

749
00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:55,120
Speaker 1: sounded like tight my Italian, it's very not what he said. Yeah.

750
00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:59,719
Speaker 1: So he's in the court and he is surprisingly not

751
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:03,880
Speaker 1: a model defendant. What I know, paint your face shocked.

752
00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:07,080
Speaker 1: He was how do you say in Italian? A night

753
00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:12,000
Speaker 1: to man. So he was also filled with a passionata

754
00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:16,839
Speaker 1: and agita. I'm getting it all out before so other ones.

755
00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:19,759
Speaker 1: To other people like me, we would have called him unhinged.

756
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:27,440
Speaker 1: So during his trial, he would interrupt the prosecutor when

757
00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:29,359
Speaker 1: he was not doing that, he would interrupt his own

758
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:32,200
Speaker 1: lawyer when he wasn't doing that. He would interrupt the judge.

759
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:37,440
Speaker 1: So the judge is like, oh man, So he's like,

760
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:40,560
Speaker 1: you know, basically the judge doesn't throw the book at

761
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:43,640
Speaker 1: him because they're all Italians and they kind of like

762
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:46,800
Speaker 1: the national pride argument that he just stays with this

763
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:49,319
Speaker 1: little like he did spark plug of a man going,

764
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:54,040
Speaker 1: I do out of us but Italian, but well, you know,

765
00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:58,200
Speaker 1: and it hadn't been a like United country for that long, no,

766
00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:00,880
Speaker 1: like at this point, like thirty four a year, yes,

767
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:06,600
Speaker 1: eighteen sixty six, looking at like, you know, sixty year,

768
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:11,200
Speaker 1: fifty year. Yeah, So that basically in memory he became Italy.

769
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:15,160
Speaker 1: So he has pride and love for a young country exactly. People,

770
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:17,440
Speaker 1: they were responding to it, and they keep taking the

771
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:21,680
Speaker 1: drum of war, making people feel like, yeah, the gentleman's

772
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:25,319
Speaker 1: So his trial is going, not well, but it's going.

773
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:28,640
Speaker 1: And then uh, he's Italian to the core in that

774
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:31,280
Speaker 1: like Olmert the way you know, he's like he won't

775
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:34,640
Speaker 1: bring in his brothers. In fact, instead of like mentioning

776
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:36,640
Speaker 1: his brothers, he says, I did it by myself, Like

777
00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:39,520
Speaker 1: this impossible. He's like, okay, okay, actually I did it.

778
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:41,840
Speaker 1: And he names two other people, not his brother's, he

779
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:46,080
Speaker 1: dang friends just they're like whoa. He's like, okay, So

780
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:50,360
Speaker 1: there I was with Pablo and JP Morgan and we

781
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:53,520
Speaker 1: were just talking we should watch a couples. At one

782
00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:57,280
Speaker 1: point in his trial, in uh, yet another demand for respect,

783
00:42:57,480 --> 00:43:00,800
Speaker 1: Vincenzo insists that the prosecution is wrong and that he

784
00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:03,760
Speaker 1: is not as they keep describing him, just some house painter,

785
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:06,440
Speaker 1: but he's actually a puttore, which in Italian means I

786
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:11,239
Speaker 1: am an artist. Right. So in June n the court

787
00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:15,840
Speaker 1: decides he's also a criminal, like so Vincenzo Pruga. He's convicted,

788
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:18,080
Speaker 1: sentenced to what seems to be a rather lenient sentence,

789
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:20,759
Speaker 1: and this is likely due to his insistence of patriotism.

790
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:23,759
Speaker 1: But he gets one year in fifteen days, and he

791
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:26,960
Speaker 1: never gave up his brothers. Good for him, they stay free. Good.

792
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:30,240
Speaker 1: A few days after he sentenced, World War One officially

793
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:32,880
Speaker 1: kicks off and everyone says, we don't care anymore about

794
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:35,480
Speaker 1: all that. You're going from beauty to bloodshed, and they

795
00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:37,799
Speaker 1: turned their minds completely away, and the story gets lost

796
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:40,960
Speaker 1: to time. Did he get let out to fight? Yeah,

797
00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:42,600
Speaker 1: he went, and he fought for Italy and then he

798
00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:45,799
Speaker 1: survived the war yep, And he managed to get married.

799
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:47,560
Speaker 1: I have a kid named her, had a daughter named

800
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:52,719
Speaker 1: to Celestina Good and then eventually he passed away and

801
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:58,200
Speaker 1: he named him, yes, grandson. There is a theory that

802
00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:02,640
Speaker 1: Vinny wasn't a pay street or even the mastermind of

803
00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:04,279
Speaker 1: this crime. And instead, in fact, he was just a

804
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:08,320
Speaker 1: hired inside man. And this theory you'll see it online,

805
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:11,799
Speaker 1: is that there was a man named Eduardo the val Fierno,

806
00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:14,200
Speaker 1: and he was the true mastermind of the theft of

807
00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:17,040
Speaker 1: the Mona Lisa. The story goes, val Fierna was a

808
00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:19,840
Speaker 1: con man, career criminal. He had been hired by a

809
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:24,359
Speaker 1: French art forger named Eve's Chadrome. And you see, when

810
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:26,480
Speaker 1: the Mona Lisa was stolen, not only was the image

811
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:29,240
Speaker 1: publishing newspapers all around the world, but suddenly the painting

812
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:33,279
Speaker 1: became a sensation, so postcards were being purchased, copies of

813
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:36,239
Speaker 1: the original were being purchased, and you know, it became

814
00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:39,600
Speaker 1: basically the world's first must have dorm room poster, right

815
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:42,080
Speaker 1: that's essentially what it is right now. Being a forger,

816
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:45,360
Speaker 1: Eves Drone, he was like, I gottah. So he's like

817
00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:48,399
Speaker 1: he had anticipated the furor over the stolen masterpiece because

818
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:51,400
Speaker 1: he happened to have set himself up with paintings, just

819
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:54,160
Speaker 1: scads of copies, and these are he's an art forager,

820
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:57,000
Speaker 1: so they look identical. They're basically counterfeits, and he's hoping

821
00:44:57,040 --> 00:44:58,920
Speaker 1: he could maybe pass one or two office there. The

822
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:02,040
Speaker 1: original didn't get a big payday off of like a counterfeit.

823
00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:05,040
Speaker 1: So yeah, So the idea is that he knew this

824
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:07,279
Speaker 1: demand would be incident and profitable, and he gave him

825
00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:10,480
Speaker 1: time to paint the counterfeits because he had arranged for

826
00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:13,920
Speaker 1: it to actually happen. He created the demand. The idea

827
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:16,960
Speaker 1: was the forger Sharon hired this con man, valfier No,

828
00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:20,760
Speaker 1: who in turn hired Vinni Porogia, the self described patriot

829
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:23,799
Speaker 1: who ultimately steals the Mona Lisa. And this theory comes

830
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:27,360
Speaker 1: to light in nineteen thirty two in the Saturday Evening Post.

831
00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:30,239
Speaker 1: But there's more to this story. And because the journalist

832
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:32,440
Speaker 1: was named Carl Decker, nobody you wouldn't know him. I

833
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:34,359
Speaker 1: don't know him, it doesn't matter. But he was an

834
00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:38,040
Speaker 1: old fashioned writer of the yellow journalism era. He was

835
00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:41,520
Speaker 1: a washout from the William Randolph Hurst hey day. And

836
00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:43,759
Speaker 1: at this point he's years past his glory and he

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Speaker 1: was like, you know, he's a kind of guy who

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Speaker 1: helped get America into the Spanish American War. He got

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Speaker 1: blood right, so now he's like, I haven't had a

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Speaker 1: good bloody story for a while. But finally he's got

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Speaker 1: a lot of two. I'm feeling lucky. So the journalists.

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Speaker 1: Apparently he crossed pass with the con man val Fierno

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Speaker 1: in nineteen thirteen before the painting had resurfaced, and the

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Speaker 1: French common man spilled his guts to the American journalist

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Speaker 1: and tells him the whole criminal escapade, the scam of

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Speaker 1: it all, And years later the journalist writes it up

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Speaker 1: in the Saturday Evening Post runs the story. There's a

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Speaker 1: problem with the story though. The story of the scam

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Speaker 1: of the forger Eveshaw Drone and the con man Eduardo

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Speaker 1: de val Fiernano total fabrication. It's more yellow journalism. So Decker.

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Speaker 1: What it Decker had done was basically steal the cachet

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Speaker 1: of the Mona Lisa and make up a story that

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Speaker 1: can maybe you know, get him some little cache of

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Speaker 1: his own. And he waited till no one could refute

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Speaker 1: the story. What are you gonna trust me or some

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Speaker 1: French criminals? Now, if you can believe it, there's a

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Speaker 1: whole movie that debunks his theory, the documentary about it

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00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:51,440
Speaker 1: that goes into like how he's wrong, and uh, there

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00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:53,280
Speaker 1: was a bunch of people who want to basically correct

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00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:55,160
Speaker 1: the lie, and now just for the sake of it.

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Speaker 1: This is a book review from the Association for Research

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Speaker 1: of Crimes against Art. The review destroys a recent book

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Speaker 1: that I won't mention the repeated the whole con man

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Speaker 1: in forger story, and I quote the Velfier and the

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Speaker 1: story was long ago rejected as one of two things,

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Speaker 1: either a wholesale invention by Carl Dekker to sell his

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Speaker 1: story or a wholesale invention by a con man in

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Speaker 1: Casa Blanca that pulled the wool down over Mr Decker's eyes.

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Speaker 1: It is a shame, then, that a work of nonfiction

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Speaker 1: professing to tell the true story behind a famous true

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Speaker 1: crime should so mislead its readers. Without the addition of myth,

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Speaker 1: the story of the Theft of the Mona Lisa is

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Speaker 1: rich and enthralling, with a fabulous cast of characters, the

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Speaker 1: backdrop of free War, Paris and Florence and ripples felt

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Speaker 1: to this day. For not only was the theft of

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Speaker 1: the Mona Lisa the most famous theft of any object

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Speaker 1: in history, but it also inspired other thefts, altered the

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Speaker 1: concept of what makes the work valuable, and proved to

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Speaker 1: be a turning point in the history of art, of

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Speaker 1: collecting and of art crime. They're like, and this bozo

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Speaker 1: got it wrong. I love it now for what it's worth.

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Speaker 1: I think my man leader nuttered Ven she who was

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Speaker 1: known as a big practical joker, would appreciate all this

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Speaker 1: mystery and lies and creating whirling around his work, and

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Speaker 1: that his work is still creating to this day. I

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Speaker 1: mean the fact that the Mona Lisa remains a riddle,

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Speaker 1: wrapped up in a mystery, ensconsin an enigma and with

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Speaker 1: a smile of an angel. So that's it, Elizabeth, that's

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Speaker 1: my story. I gotta ask you, though, yeah, would ridiculous takeaway. Well,

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Speaker 1: you know, I'm just thinking about that final book review.

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Speaker 1: But I really love like cattiness in niche interest groups.

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Speaker 1: So pull for you, thank you. I'm really enjoying that.

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Speaker 1: But I also, you know, I think about too how

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Speaker 1: we put value onto anything, really, but works of art

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Speaker 1: in particular and the story of it all, the story,

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Speaker 1: and he proved that it's the story of it all,

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00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:53,520
Speaker 1: and so you can have like technical ability or just

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00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:58,320
Speaker 1: like the emotional resonance was something um and and I

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Speaker 1: guess you know, really in more accessible areas of art

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Speaker 1: um you know, when you get more into like some

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00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:08,000
Speaker 1: of the postmodern stuff where it has to be explained

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00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:10,759
Speaker 1: to you to understand what that is um. But in

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Speaker 1: the in these terms, there's there's that immediate emotional like

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Speaker 1: you know, connection that people have or an understanding. But

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Speaker 1: then that when we say provenance, we're not just tracking

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Speaker 1: the the ownership, we're tracking the story of the piece

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00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:28,719
Speaker 1: as a living thing really, and that always just is

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Speaker 1: so interesting to me. What can increase the value and

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Speaker 1: then how do we do that like in our own lives,

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Speaker 1: not just for like a piece of art, but things

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00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:38,759
Speaker 1: that we have that are important to us because of

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Speaker 1: a story behind it. And so the kind of currency

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Speaker 1: and value of story and the multi joining that part

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Speaker 1: of it. And that was that was my ridiculous takeaway.

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Speaker 1: So thanks a lot, Elizabeth. I knew, I know, I

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Speaker 1: can slide in there like a cloud of dust behind

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Speaker 1: my ridiculous takeaway? Is it? Uh, you shouldn't name your

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Speaker 1: Sarah doesn't have original thought and it's just so cleverunds

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Speaker 1: here like a xerox copy of a fart. So my

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Speaker 1: ridiculous is a listener that speak for the zards intelligence

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Speaker 1: because he's far superior blah. Anyway, you can find his

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Speaker 1: online at Ridiculous Crime on both Twitter and Instagram. Twitter

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Speaker 1: that's where we lie to the public. Twitter is where

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00:50:33,880 --> 00:50:39,800
Speaker 1: we put our COVID misinformation. Is that what it Twitter's for?

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Speaker 1: I thought it was just allfmation. Instagram that's where the

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Speaker 1: truth in the light and the way is found. Um,

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Speaker 1: there's also photos we put up so we won't do

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Speaker 1: any reels. I don't even know what that is. I

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Speaker 1: don't know. I told the Instagram person that does our

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Speaker 1: Instagram account like to do a real thing, and they

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Speaker 1: just gave me the finger. You're you're holding a fishing

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Speaker 1: pole when you said that was the confusing part. You're like,

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Speaker 1: I have to do it real. I got You're like, oh, grandma.

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Speaker 1: But you can find us there at Instagram where the

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Speaker 1: you know, the interns keeper and uh, the stories are

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Speaker 1: put up there for the giggles, and you know, you

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00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:21,680
Speaker 1: get sneak peaks of Epps on both. So hit him

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Speaker 1: up email if you want. We're at Ridiculous Crime at

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Speaker 1: the jamail dot com jail Gmail. Thanks for listening. Ridiculous

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Speaker 1: Trime is hosted by Elizabeth Dutton and Zaron Burnett, produced

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Speaker 1: and edited by our resident art history themed mail stripper

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Speaker 1: me like one of your French girls, Bolan and No,

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Speaker 1: and then paint me like one of your French squirrels.

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