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Speaker 1: Wow, Wow, everybody, It's Tuesday, July twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the NFL Fantasy Football Podcast where it's good

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Speaker 2: to be back. It's being your man, NAMG Marcus Grant,

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Speaker 2: joined by Michael Florio and Lakwan Jones. You guys were

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Speaker 2: pointing out to me that this is the first time

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Speaker 2: in what thirty days that we have all been together

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Speaker 2: for a podcast. That's wild. It's good to really is.

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Speaker 2: I actually forgot to put my headphones on, like we're

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Speaker 2: a little rusty then. Yeah, I mean I was like

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Speaker 2: half joking, like I'm not sure if I don't know,

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Speaker 2: you know how to do this. I mean, for a while, Florio,

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Speaker 2: you were on vacation. You drove the entire length of

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Speaker 2: the West coast of the United States, you know, I

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Speaker 2: you know when I drove like two hours north and

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Speaker 2: went to San Diego for a little bit. Uh sick.

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Speaker 2: Yeah that was cool. Lakwan, you you were just kind

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Speaker 2: of here, Hey, man, la is my vacation. I appreciate

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Speaker 2: living here. That's good. I went.

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Speaker 3: I went to Big Bear for Fourth of July this weekend,

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Speaker 3: Like like you guys know big bears, Like less than

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Speaker 3: one hundred miles out of LA It took me over

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Speaker 3: four hours.

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Speaker 2: I would I'd much rather be driving up the coast

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Speaker 2: right now. Like yeah, I mean it's aboutous. It's a

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Speaker 2: very popular spot for Fourth of July. And so if

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Speaker 2: you if you don't hit it right, all that traffic

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Speaker 2: going up the mountain is going to take you some

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Speaker 2: time to get there, for sure. Thanks. So here we are, though,

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Speaker 2: we're back together again as we get ready training camp

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Speaker 2: just around the corner. A lot of teams going to

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Speaker 2: be opening up camps very very soon. Fingers crossed. We

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Speaker 2: are trying to get our way to a couple of camps.

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Speaker 2: There are camps within a short drive of us, including

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Speaker 2: the Chargers, who I kid you not. Their camp is

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Speaker 2: fifteen minutes from where I sit right now. Uh on

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Speaker 2: surfety on service street, jump over the fence and like

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Speaker 2: fifteen minutes on surface streets. My kid does like he

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Speaker 2: is a coating he's like a coating class that he

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Speaker 2: does on Saturdays. And I tell you that it is

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Speaker 2: around the corner from the Chargers practice. So so hopefully

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Speaker 2: we can beg our way to training camp for the

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Speaker 2: Rams and the Chargers. I hopefully bring you some content

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Speaker 2: from their fingers crossed on that though we let you know.

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Speaker 3: And we I kind of have an in I went

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Speaker 3: I started going to a new barber and he was like,

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Speaker 3: I also cut Justin Herbert's brother's hair, So maybe maybe

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Speaker 3: we could leverage that to get.

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Speaker 2: Justin Herbert to join. Yeah, man, get the see we

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Speaker 2: can get herbo on for sure. So it's been a

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Speaker 2: while since we've all been together. We're gonna dose some

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Speaker 2: hype train or smoke screen sort of things, some kind

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Speaker 2: of rumor and inn window kind of things. Uh Laqwan

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Speaker 2: had an interesting tweet that he put out kind of

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Speaker 2: a what if sort of about some wide receivers. So

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Speaker 2: kind of want to get into the pole that you

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Speaker 2: guys put together, Lakwan and some of the things that

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Speaker 2: the people have to say about it. And in case

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Speaker 2: you have not been on the interwebs recently, the scott

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Speaker 2: Fish Bowl has begun as FB fifteen is underway, so

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Speaker 2: we will talk about kind of where we are in

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Speaker 2: that one. Although l Q you are done because you

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Speaker 2: did one of the long drafts, Florio and I are

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Speaker 2: doing the slow drafts, so we'll kind of talk about

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Speaker 2: what we know about our teams. So far I can

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Speaker 2: tell you for me, it ain't much, but we'll get

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Speaker 2: to that in just a little bit. So first, just

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Speaker 2: some hype Trader smoke screen. Obviously, it's been a while

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Speaker 2: since all of us have been together, but even still

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Speaker 2: been a while since we talked to you, since we

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Speaker 2: took all of last week off with the Fourth of

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Speaker 2: July holiday, and hopefully it was a happy, safe and

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Speaker 2: healthy one for everybody across the country. So some big

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Speaker 2: things have happened since we last spoke to you. Kind

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Speaker 2: of want to get through some of those. There's a

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Speaker 2: tight end shuffle. The big part of this was not

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Speaker 2: way and a pick swap as well. But involved in

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Speaker 2: that was John news Smith going from Miami to Pittsburgh.

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Speaker 2: He of the forcing Lakwan to dye his hair blonde

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Speaker 2: after having a career year. So now he goes to Pittsburgh.

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Speaker 2: He teams up with Aaron Rodgers. They've got DK metcalf.

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Speaker 2: I'm Lakwan. Since you are our resident John new Smith

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Speaker 2: expert I guess how are we feeling about John Hue

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Speaker 2: and the Steel City. I'm feeling good about him there.

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Speaker 4: Fantasy expectations have been drawn a little back, though they're

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Speaker 4: not as high as they were last season obviously with

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Speaker 2: But I think it's a good match him reuniting with

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Speaker 2: third Trio ride, you know, And I definitely think that

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Speaker 2: there's some appeal there of that offense now, like it's

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Speaker 4: You have Aaron Rodgers there, dk Metcalf and now you

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Speaker 4: have a possible second option of that offense. But how

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Speaker 4: much of a pass volume offense is this going to be?

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Speaker 4: Where Arthur Smith obviously wanting to run the ball. So

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Speaker 4: it's like one of those things like you're happy he

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Speaker 4: hopefully we get John New a flash of what he

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Speaker 2: So this is this me and Floyda that the Moth

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Speaker 3: And the thing about the Arthur Smith two tight end

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Speaker 2: Moot's rolling like he'll have a game.

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Speaker 3: Here or there right where he catches a touchdown or

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Speaker 3: him at all for fantasy. I will say if John

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Speaker 3: neu Smith is cheaper, now I'm more in because.

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Speaker 2: I was out on John New in Miami.

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Speaker 3: I just thought last year they manufactured a lot of

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Speaker 2: There's less target camp here. But also the Steelers.

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Speaker 3: Need to get Aaron Rodgers the ball to out of

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Speaker 3: his hands quickly, roaring it out and stuff. So if

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Speaker 3: John New gets a lot of those catch and run

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Speaker 2: In the middle rankings of the Titan top twelve. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I mean, just everything about the Steelers' offense right now

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Speaker 2: know we talked about this before, right we went We

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Speaker 2: went a whole most of the offseason without speaking the

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Speaker 2: probably gonna land in Pittsburgh at some point. Right, Like, so,

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Speaker 2: like we're talking about you know, forty something year old

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Speaker 2: didn't look like the guy who was an MVP. I mean,

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Speaker 2: father time catches up to us. All. I got DK

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Speaker 2: Mett looked like that guy in a while, He look

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Speaker 2: You got DK Metcalf, who you know was fine his

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Speaker 2: last year or so in Seattle. But really, I think

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Speaker 2: we sort of like. But you know, we're not over

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Speaker 2: the moon about We're trying to figure out what Caleb

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Speaker 2: kind of looks like they've pushed their chips sort of

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Speaker 2: in the division. And in the end, I just look

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Speaker 2: the offenses in the NFL, that's one of them.

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Speaker 3: Ye, free draft me would hate what I'm about to say,

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Speaker 3: but uh, Caleb Johnson is the Steeler I'm most interested in. Wow,

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Speaker 3: they're players.

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Speaker 2: I don't taking him over DK, but like at cost, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I don't think you're wrong about that. The fantasy streets

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Speaker 2: aren't talking about Kayler Johnson right now. I don't know

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Speaker 2: why the fantasy talking about the Steelers at all, Like

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Speaker 2: I don't think they are.

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Speaker 4: They're hyping up DK to be a wide receiver one

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Speaker 4: steal and I'm not agreeing with that. I mean, we

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Speaker 4: not not looking forward to DK.

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Speaker 2: Metcalf on my rosters I mean neither.

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Speaker 3: I was out on him before the pairing with Aaron Rodgers,

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Speaker 3: but I'm seeing a lot of people slowly start to

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Speaker 3: hype up Jalen Warren. I went year by year for

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Speaker 3: Arthur Smith and outside of that one year with Corderyo. Patterson,

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Speaker 3: like the running back that's got the most touches is

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Speaker 3: always like two hundred and something, like he's a sizest

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Speaker 3: he he sees Jayleen Warren and he's like, you're cool,

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Speaker 3: But look at this guy.

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Speaker 2: I want to feed him like that. That's what I think.

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Speaker 2: At least that guy you're pointing to is john Ney

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Speaker 2: Smith on the five yard line right there, So there

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Speaker 2: you go. I would say, if there's any upside for

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Speaker 2: john who, it's that. I just wonder whether or not

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Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers is going to give him looks near the

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Speaker 2: goal line? Right? Is that going to be a thing?

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Speaker 2: Look remember that year year and a half where Robert

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Speaker 2: Smith is way more athletic than Robert Tunyan. Yeah right,

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Speaker 2: I mean he could be more of a weapon around

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Speaker 2: of hoping that gives him at least some value, but

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Speaker 2: still not enough for me to feel great about it.

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Speaker 3: To that point, Aaron Rodgers does lock in on one

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Speaker 3: target in the red zone, like every time he plays

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Speaker 3: with Davonte Adams, You're like, Okay, if he throws it here,

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Speaker 3: we know it's going to Devonte, that could be DK.

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Speaker 2: But TK is he that kind of guy? I don't know, Yeah,

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Speaker 4: It'll be interesting to see the mesh between Aaron Rodgers

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Speaker 4: and Arthur Smith in that offensive mine of like what

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Speaker 4: this will actually look like because last season Aaron Rodgers,

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Speaker 4: we obviously knew like the ball wasn't going beyond ten yards.

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Speaker 4: Is just it didn't look great. Twenty two percent of

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Speaker 4: his passes were behind the line of scrimmage. So I

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Speaker 4: guess great news for Jalen Warren or John new Smith.

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Speaker 4: So it's like he obviously knows his capabilities, his limits,

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Speaker 4: But was his offense going to look like when they

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Speaker 4: are throwing the ball, because the obvious will be DK

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Speaker 4: Metcalf will be doubled or take DK out of the play, Like,

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Speaker 4: I just don't know if that is going to.

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Speaker 2: Be Like.

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Speaker 3: I think in his head he's like I could air

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Speaker 3: this out if I want, I can still do it.

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Speaker 2: I can do it last year. The greats are the

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Speaker 2: So my only pushback on that is, I don't know

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Speaker 3: But even two years ago he averaged one point eight

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Speaker 2: Like real quick, really quick, flury, are you going to

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Speaker 2: It's happened.

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Speaker 4: So I rather that than Darren Waller fighting for targets

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Speaker 4: in like a Darren Waller, a retired thirty three year

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Speaker 3: That's gonna be the narrative. But I don't agree with

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Speaker 2: Now you're getting him outside of the top twelve running

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Speaker 2: The Lions move the football, they score first one. Seeing

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Speaker 3: best Jets offense pristall has ever played it.

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Speaker 4: Yes, that could be an argument made. That could definitely

434
00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:16,000
Speaker 4: be an argument made that this is literally the best

435
00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:18,800
Speaker 4: offense that he's playing with a quarterback that's mobile, that

436
00:21:18,840 --> 00:21:21,840
Speaker 4: can actually get the change moving and draw that disguise

437
00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:24,120
Speaker 4: that confusion, like who's going to run the rock?

438
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Speaker 2: My biggest concern is everyone's like, oh, it's Braylean Allen.

439
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Speaker 3: Can they get the goal one carries? No, my biggest

440
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Speaker 3: concern is justin Field goal carries, because are going to

441
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Speaker 3: do that?

442
00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:38,280
Speaker 2: Or even worse is justin Field's just gonna take it

443
00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:41,320
Speaker 2: in from like fifteen yards out that too, you know

444
00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:43,639
Speaker 2: the red you get a break out of the pocket

445
00:21:43,720 --> 00:21:45,960
Speaker 2: and just run it in from fifteen twenty yards away

446
00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:49,760
Speaker 2: and then none of the running backs get that look like.

447
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Speaker 4: This is why This is why I made that comparison

448
00:21:52,280 --> 00:21:54,320
Speaker 4: with Leonard Fournette, because he had a shot white behind

449
00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:56,520
Speaker 4: him running the rock. I mean that could be Braylen Allen.

450
00:21:56,600 --> 00:21:58,600
Speaker 4: I mean I can see seventy catches on the table

451
00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:00,920
Speaker 4: for brestall this year, easy, and I think that will

452
00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:02,640
Speaker 4: make him a top twelve PPR.

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Speaker 2: You know, uh, how many carries are you projecting? Like

454
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Speaker 2: how many? How much of the much? Because you still.

455
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Speaker 3: Got he's not going to get much less than too,

456
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Speaker 3: Like he's never had less than two hundred in a

457
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Speaker 3: full year.

458
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Speaker 2: He's still got Wilson right still, I guess I name.

459
00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:25,320
Speaker 2: I was trying to find the name, and Josh Reynolds

460
00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:28,400
Speaker 2: Allen was like, I.

461
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Speaker 3: Just don't see a world where Brice Hall isn't the

462
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Speaker 3: lead runner as well. Like Braylen Allen might might have

463
00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:39,080
Speaker 3: a lot of like might be heavily involved, but like

464
00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:40,960
Speaker 3: he's not going to be used more than this.

465
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Speaker 4: Is a Ben Johnson Ben Johnson influenced offense. We we

466
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Speaker 4: probably could have said the same thing of DeAndre Swift

467
00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:49,720
Speaker 4: not taking the lead carries with Jamal Williams being the

468
00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:50,760
Speaker 4: lead carrier, like.

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Speaker 2: This, these are things that is better.

470
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and and like in my opinion at least, and

471
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Speaker 3: and I know everyone points to the Sonic and Knuckles thing,

472
00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:05,199
Speaker 3: but like that is maybe the greatest RB tandem in

473
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Speaker 3: the last however many years.

474
00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:10,840
Speaker 2: You know, certainly the last five years or so be

475
00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:12,800
Speaker 2: right there in that top three. So le's go last

476
00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:16,160
Speaker 2: five years, right. I don't know if it's anywhere close

477
00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:21,240
Speaker 2: to the scoring wise, scoring wise, definitely, we're talking yeah,

478
00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:26,280
Speaker 2: efficiency wise, I guess whatever. Yeah, I mean, I look,

479
00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:28,400
Speaker 2: I think Breeze Hall is really talented long and short

480
00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:30,560
Speaker 2: of it. I just feel like we're gonna be frustrated

481
00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:34,439
Speaker 2: by the usage in this offense. You know, I'm not

482
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Speaker 2: drafting I'm not drafting Brylin Allen. No, if the price

483
00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:42,840
Speaker 2: is right, I'll draft Breeze Hall. We'll see fields is

484
00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:45,200
Speaker 2: in Bruce Hall. They're like the only Jets in real league,

485
00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:49,439
Speaker 2: all right. Last thing, Travis Kelcey was asked about Travis

486
00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:52,000
Speaker 2: Hunter and being a two way player this year, and

487
00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:55,159
Speaker 2: Travis kelce basically said he thinks opponents are going to

488
00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:58,000
Speaker 2: try to wear him out on defense. Uh that basically,

489
00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:00,520
Speaker 2: you know, when he lines up there at corner, team's

490
00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:04,120
Speaker 2: just gonna send receivers on on downfield. Missions and they're

491
00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:07,119
Speaker 2: just gonna make Travis Hunter run win sprints, right, So

492
00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:09,720
Speaker 2: if he's going to have a full workload on offense,

493
00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:12,920
Speaker 2: play some occasional defense, I mean it, look it makes sense, right,

494
00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:16,040
Speaker 2: I mean, Florida your your basketball guy. You think about

495
00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:18,920
Speaker 2: it in basketball terms, you don't necessarily want your best

496
00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:22,520
Speaker 2: offensive player guarding the other team's best offensive player, right,

497
00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:26,359
Speaker 2: like you don't want you knows, Lucas Donson is a

498
00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:28,720
Speaker 2: bad example because he didn't play defense anyway. But like

499
00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:32,040
Speaker 2: they jy chance they get, right, But you don't want

500
00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:35,639
Speaker 2: Jalen Brunson having to chase Steph Curry around for forty minutes, right,

501
00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:37,320
Speaker 2: because you're just gonna wear him out, and then you're

502
00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:39,359
Speaker 2: gonna hurt that's gonna hurt his offensive production. And I

503
00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:42,040
Speaker 2: think Travis Kelsey's basically saying sort of the same thing.

504
00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:45,000
Speaker 2: If I'm the other team, I'm gonna line up against

505
00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:47,080
Speaker 2: Travis Hunter, I'm gonna just have him run wind sprints

506
00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:49,760
Speaker 2: over and over and over again and then turn around

507
00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:53,439
Speaker 2: and try to play offense as well. So it made question.

508
00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:55,639
Speaker 2: I'm gonna get your answers for both of these. What

509
00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:58,119
Speaker 2: is more likely for Travis Hunter by the time we

510
00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:01,720
Speaker 2: get to week ten, right, Jaguars as they're buying week eight,

511
00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:03,600
Speaker 2: so a couple of games after that, So by week's in,

512
00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:07,560
Speaker 2: will it be more likely to be seventy thirty offensive

513
00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:13,199
Speaker 2: snaps for Hunter fifty to fifty or seventy thirty defensive snaps? Lakwan,

514
00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:19,600
Speaker 2: that's a good question. I think Travis Kelsey should have

515
00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:22,520
Speaker 2: just kept the sauce to himself because he just kind

516
00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:24,680
Speaker 2: of just told everybody and now, this is probably what's

517
00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:27,200
Speaker 2: going to happen. But I know it's say body, I'm sure,

518
00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:30,919
Speaker 2: I'm sure the Jaguars have thought of that. You you

519
00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:34,679
Speaker 2: sure hope because this is definitely a possibility in the

520
00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:35,440
Speaker 2: first eight weeks.

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Speaker 4: I mean, he's going to be burnt out if he's

522
00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:40,359
Speaker 4: running this fifty to fifty how he thinks in his

523
00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:42,440
Speaker 4: mind that he's going to be able to do. But

524
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Speaker 4: back in the season, I could see him being more

525
00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:48,360
Speaker 4: on the offensive side, like a seventy thirty split, because defensively,

526
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Speaker 4: hopefully there's some grounding there, hopefully they improved from last

527
00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:55,480
Speaker 4: season and not getting completely burnt down in the secondary.

528
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Speaker 4: But I don't see the need for him to play

529
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Speaker 4: seventy percent of defense when and you know he's that

530
00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:04,680
Speaker 4: talented to be on offense, we can compare him and

531
00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:07,360
Speaker 4: have talks about him being one of those freak athletes

532
00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:10,480
Speaker 4: in the conversation of a Ceedee Lamb or Justin Jefferson

533
00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:13,360
Speaker 4: just based on his play style. So I don't see

534
00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:16,000
Speaker 4: him playing that much of defense on the back end season.

535
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Speaker 3: Where are you at florio on that, I agree, I

536
00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:22,000
Speaker 3: think it'll be if anything, it'll probably be seventy to thirty.

537
00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:23,520
Speaker 2: Offense is just more valuable.

538
00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:26,560
Speaker 3: And I know defense wins championships and all that, but

539
00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:30,040
Speaker 3: then why receivers paid way more than quarterbacks, you know,

540
00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:33,320
Speaker 3: like and the Jaguars have been upfront about that, like

541
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Speaker 3: that they think that is where he is most valuable.

542
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Speaker 2: But I do want to go back.

543
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Speaker 3: To something friend of the show Emery Hunt said back

544
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Speaker 3: pre draft, where he was like, the NFL game is

545
00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:45,560
Speaker 3: less plays than the college game where.

546
00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:49,480
Speaker 2: He played fifty to fifty and you get more breaks.

547
00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:52,480
Speaker 3: And more time in between plays and stuff. So I

548
00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:54,919
Speaker 3: don't want to necessarily rule. I'm hoping they give him

549
00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:57,000
Speaker 3: a chance to do both at a high rate. But

550
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Speaker 3: if I had to guess, I think offense will be

551
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Speaker 3: more His phone.

552
00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:02,960
Speaker 2: I definitely think it's gonna be more of his focus.

553
00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:05,320
Speaker 2: And maybe I should have like rephrased the question, like

554
00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:08,600
Speaker 2: do we see the ratio even go down? Right, Like

555
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:11,120
Speaker 2: maybe it starts at seventy thirty offensive snaps and maybe

556
00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:13,320
Speaker 2: by the end we're down to like, I don't know,

557
00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:16,440
Speaker 2: eighty five fifteen sort of thing too, because I think

558
00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:18,920
Speaker 2: the other thing to take into account, and we see

559
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:22,080
Speaker 2: this with rookies all the time, is you do sort

560
00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:25,960
Speaker 2: of hit that rookie wall, right. I mean, Colorado last

561
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:29,800
Speaker 2: year played thirteen games total with a month off in

562
00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:32,920
Speaker 2: between game number twelve and game number thirteen, right, Because

563
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:36,119
Speaker 2: you finish your regular season and then you wait until

564
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:38,639
Speaker 2: your bowl game, so you play twelve games, you know,

565
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:40,720
Speaker 2: pretty close to each other. Then you get a month

566
00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:45,040
Speaker 2: to recover, and then you play game number thirteen. You

567
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:47,879
Speaker 2: know you're gonna play seventeen games with one week off

568
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:53,520
Speaker 2: during that stretch, you know. And it's hard on guys

569
00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:55,600
Speaker 2: who just play one side of the ball and only

570
00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:58,000
Speaker 2: play a certain number of steps. I just I know

571
00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:00,800
Speaker 2: everybody talks about his stamina. I know that Hunter prides

572
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:02,840
Speaker 2: himself on that, and I'm very curious to watch it,

573
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:04,919
Speaker 2: and I wish him success, but I do think at

574
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:07,080
Speaker 2: some point, you know, it's just asking a lot out

575
00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:10,080
Speaker 2: of everybody you know to go do that. Also in

576
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:12,880
Speaker 2: the heat and humidity of Jacksonville versus.

577
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Speaker 3: I will say, I'm surprised we didn't get a Trevor

578
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:17,880
Speaker 3: Lawrence shot in there from LQ.

579
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:21,960
Speaker 2: No, no, no, Trevor mid the sideline. There is there

580
00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:27,320
Speaker 2: is there there, It is right there. All right, we're

581
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:29,360
Speaker 2: gonna take a break, come back, we're gonna talk some

582
00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:31,320
Speaker 2: kind of wide receiver what ifs. I know we did

583
00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:34,119
Speaker 2: a group of them a few weeks ago, but we

584
00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:36,359
Speaker 2: had some things bubble up in the last week or

585
00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:37,840
Speaker 2: so that we feel like it's worth talking about. So

586
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:39,360
Speaker 2: we'll dive into that in just a little bit, plus

587
00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:41,800
Speaker 2: a little bit of Scott fish Bowl talk as well,

588
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:48,160
Speaker 2: coming up next on the NFL Fantasy Football Podcast. So

589
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Speaker 2: I mentioned before the break we had done some positional

590
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:53,520
Speaker 2: what ifs. So we talked about some guys and you know,

591
00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:55,080
Speaker 2: what if they're better than we thought, what if they're

592
00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:56,640
Speaker 2: worse than we thought, so on and so forth. We

593
00:28:56,680 --> 00:29:00,520
Speaker 2: did wide receivers about a month ago. Actually, I think

594
00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:02,120
Speaker 2: that was the last time we were all together to

595
00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:06,240
Speaker 2: be honest, because we did those wide receiver Yeah, so

596
00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:11,440
Speaker 2: never mind, it wasn't there, so never mind. But but Lakwan,

597
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:14,760
Speaker 2: I know you do some stuff on Sirius XM radio

598
00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:21,440
Speaker 2: and you guys put out a poll recently, uh, just

599
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:24,320
Speaker 2: this past weekend. I'm just gonna read the poll question

600
00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:28,320
Speaker 2: and the results. Uh, you're on the clock. It's the

601
00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:31,080
Speaker 2: second round. You need a wide receiver. One. Who are

602
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:35,840
Speaker 2: you picking here? The four options were t Higgins, tyreek Hill,

603
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:42,440
Speaker 2: Lad McConkie, Terry McLaurin, Lad mcconkee. I mean, it's kind

604
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:44,520
Speaker 2: of shocking that he was the winner. It's more shocking

605
00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:48,080
Speaker 2: the margin by which he was the winner. For me, Yeah,

606
00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:50,840
Speaker 2: blew it out of the water, almost forty five percent

607
00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:54,760
Speaker 2: for Lad McConkie. Tyreek Hill was second at twenty four

608
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:57,200
Speaker 2: and a half percent, Terry McLaurin third at eighteen point

609
00:29:57,200 --> 00:30:02,080
Speaker 2: three percent. T Higgins came in at twelve point three percent.

610
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:06,400
Speaker 2: So fully record, Lakwan, of those four, who are you picking?

611
00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:08,760
Speaker 2: Tyreek Hill? Hands down?

612
00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:12,200
Speaker 4: Like I have tyreek Hill and a lot of my

613
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:14,520
Speaker 4: best ball drafts, and being able to get him there

614
00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:17,880
Speaker 4: and seeing Ladd go before him is kind of like, huh,

615
00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:21,200
Speaker 4: why Because Tyreek Hill has the likes to be a

616
00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:23,880
Speaker 4: top five wide receiver this season, right, Like the ceiling

617
00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:26,360
Speaker 4: is there because we know when two is on, when

618
00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:28,440
Speaker 4: he's healthy and everything is gone the way it needs

619
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Speaker 4: to be. Disregard last season, what about twenty twenty three,

620
00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:33,960
Speaker 4: It's like this guy is still that guy and he's

621
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:36,840
Speaker 4: proven that to us this offseason. I mean he's still

622
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:39,480
Speaker 4: running at his peak. Like he ran a freaking hundred

623
00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:43,400
Speaker 4: meter at ten point one five seconds, and that's like

624
00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:46,520
Speaker 4: beating his eighteen year old record, which was at one

625
00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:48,880
Speaker 4: to nine. So it's like, I mean ten point nine.

626
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:51,600
Speaker 4: So it's like crazy that he is still at his peak,

627
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:54,520
Speaker 4: still running this fast, and still have that ability where

628
00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:58,000
Speaker 4: I'm looking at lad like we got what we got

629
00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:00,440
Speaker 4: last year, Like what if he hit that seaton? Like

630
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:03,080
Speaker 4: what if that's it? That's like a high end wide

631
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:05,440
Speaker 4: receiver two at best? For me, where I came to

632
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:08,160
Speaker 4: see myself putting Ladin in the top ten conversation right now?

633
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:10,360
Speaker 2: All right? I mean, so I do want my top ten.

634
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:12,600
Speaker 2: I do want to cheve into that. I want to

635
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:13,840
Speaker 2: dive into that. I mean, first I want to ask

636
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:15,440
Speaker 2: you for you I mean, of those four which one?

637
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:19,400
Speaker 2: Are you picking a load all day? And Tyreek Hill

638
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:21,520
Speaker 2: isn't even number two for me? Terry McLaurin would be

639
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:23,840
Speaker 2: I'm wow.

640
00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:27,640
Speaker 3: I'm a big believer that when you see a sign

641
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:31,120
Speaker 3: of decline and a player, you should run. And maybe

642
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:34,360
Speaker 3: last year was just a down year for Tyreek with

643
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:35,200
Speaker 3: how weird.

644
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:36,680
Speaker 2: It was from the start and everything.

645
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:40,520
Speaker 3: But like Marcus, you know this right, Like in baseball

646
00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:43,920
Speaker 3: they never pay guys who steal bases because speed is

647
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:45,240
Speaker 3: the first skill set to go.

648
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:47,760
Speaker 2: So when you're Tyreek.

649
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:50,880
Speaker 3: Hill and speed is every like is everything for you

650
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:54,920
Speaker 3: when you have a down year at post thirty years old,

651
00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:59,720
Speaker 3: I get really concerned. Plus his quarterback is so like

652
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:03,360
Speaker 3: the hardest quarterback to tire yourself to in fantasy right now.

653
00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:06,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, So that was my question, is like last year

654
00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:09,280
Speaker 2: was last year the sign of decline? Or was it

655
00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:12,280
Speaker 2: that he had Tyler Huntley and Skyler Thompson for a

656
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:16,160
Speaker 2: large time he was pissed off? I would do, like

657
00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 2: he's not getting the looks at all.

658
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:22,240
Speaker 4: John new was getting everything within this line of scrimmage,

659
00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:26,720
Speaker 4: Like I would be mad too if I'm sure.

660
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:30,440
Speaker 2: More Well, look I'm taking speak. When Tua was out

661
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:34,520
Speaker 2: there either because Tua wasn't great hisself, but he's still

662
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:37,320
Speaker 2: maintained complete in the past is five yards from scrimmage.

663
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:39,280
Speaker 2: Like it's one of those things where it was just

664
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:41,960
Speaker 2: a wash year because like you said, it started off

665
00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:45,360
Speaker 2: rocky like before this even started. So it's like one

666
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:47,160
Speaker 2: of those things that you're looking at Tyreek Hill just

667
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:50,240
Speaker 2: going through to emotions talking this season up. I mean, you.

668
00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:53,680
Speaker 4: Played with to at your peak at twenty twenty three,

669
00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:56,640
Speaker 4: but I didn't see any decline in this man's speed.

670
00:32:56,800 --> 00:32:59,320
Speaker 4: Like if we're talking about his god given gift, it's

671
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:02,920
Speaker 4: still there. It's still there, like his talent has not left.

672
00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:05,160
Speaker 4: I think this year just should be chalked up as

673
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:07,920
Speaker 4: like it was a bad year between the Dolphins that

674
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:11,000
Speaker 4: are like in totality, like this was the worst Dolphins

675
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:14,280
Speaker 4: offense executed by Mike Mandaniel the whole time he's been there.

676
00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:18,000
Speaker 3: They do the deep all the fewest of any team

677
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:21,000
Speaker 3: in the last two years as percentage. That would be

678
00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:23,520
Speaker 3: crazy because I think it's by design, Like I think

679
00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:24,560
Speaker 3: they don't want.

680
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:28,360
Speaker 2: Tua holding the ball in the pocket, so that's a

681
00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:30,680
Speaker 2: different perspective. They're my friend, I think, well, I think

682
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:33,360
Speaker 2: that's why because we talked about how much they manufactured

683
00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:35,520
Speaker 2: touches for Johnny Smith, right, it was trying to get

684
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:37,760
Speaker 2: the ball out early. I think there's also something to

685
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:40,440
Speaker 2: be said for Devon ah Chan and how much of

686
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:43,560
Speaker 2: a contributor he is in the passing game with Tua

687
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:47,280
Speaker 2: versus without Tua. Right, when Tua's there, Devon a Chan

688
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:50,040
Speaker 2: is a PPR god, Right, I mean that guy's catching

689
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:52,880
Speaker 2: all kinds of passes without Tua. He's not seeing those

690
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:55,320
Speaker 2: sort of looks, and these are all things that were

691
00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:58,560
Speaker 2: taking away from Tyreek Hill. I mean there is there

692
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:01,680
Speaker 2: is the fair question of whether or not a guy

693
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:05,280
Speaker 2: whose game is based heavily on speed is going to

694
00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:08,160
Speaker 2: start to decline, right, I mean, he's thirty one years old,

695
00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:11,160
Speaker 2: obviously has run a ton of routes to seeing a

696
00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:14,879
Speaker 2: ton of targets. You know, I could see him getting

697
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:16,840
Speaker 2: back over a thousand yards. I could see him getting

698
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:19,120
Speaker 2: back to you know, that twelve hundred yard mark that

699
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:21,200
Speaker 2: he was with with the Chiefs for a number of years.

700
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:24,640
Speaker 2: I don't think we see the seventeen hundred yard Tyreek

701
00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:26,960
Speaker 2: Hill again. I don't know that that happens this year.

702
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:31,759
Speaker 5: You know, if two is on the field, maybe, but

703
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:33,919
Speaker 5: it was saying if people believe that, if people even

704
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:39,560
Speaker 5: remotely believed that they would be drafting him alongside Jamar Chase,

705
00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:43,640
Speaker 5: Justin Jefferson ceed Lamb right, Like, he's not even in

706
00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:46,279
Speaker 5: that conversation with anybody right now, because I don't think

707
00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:49,080
Speaker 5: people believe that he's a seventeen hundred yard receiver.

708
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:51,080
Speaker 2: I think twelve hundred yards. I think where he's going

709
00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:53,600
Speaker 2: right now. He were like, yeah, you know, see eleven

710
00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:57,480
Speaker 2: twelve hundred, thirteen hundred yards, you know, six to eight touchdowns.

711
00:34:57,480 --> 00:34:59,839
Speaker 2: I think that's where people are drafting him right now,

712
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:03,760
Speaker 2: which you know puts him in that group of guys

713
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:07,280
Speaker 2: that we're talking about. For the record, I'm with you, Florio.

714
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:10,560
Speaker 2: I would probably take Terry McLaurin out of that group. Oh,

715
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:12,840
Speaker 2: I would Lad over Terry. But I do love me

716
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:16,560
Speaker 2: some Terry. Oh. We are split three ways on this man.

717
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:19,640
Speaker 2: So then let's dive in. Let's dive into the Lad

718
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:22,720
Speaker 2: talk then here right because, uh, you asked a question

719
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:31,120
Speaker 2: on on Twitter, look on what if Lad is ceiling already?

720
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:33,239
Speaker 2: So well, first we should we should make the case

721
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:35,920
Speaker 2: for somebody who has him in the top ten. I mean, yeah,

722
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:41,040
Speaker 2: seven touchdowns a two catches, and you think there's room

723
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:46,480
Speaker 2: to grow Florio, Yeah, because one he he got off.

724
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:49,480
Speaker 3: Slow, like out the gate slow last year, but from

725
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:54,280
Speaker 3: week eleven on he averaged nineteen just under nineteen fantasy

726
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:55,320
Speaker 3: points per game.

727
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:56,880
Speaker 2: Like that is elite.

728
00:35:57,000 --> 00:36:01,280
Speaker 3: There's like, uh, it's like that's like justin Jefferson, Jamar

729
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:05,120
Speaker 3: Chase Cede, Lamb territory and Lad McConkie was there. Plus

730
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:08,920
Speaker 3: this is all kudos to the NFL research team. But

731
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:13,279
Speaker 3: he was fifth in fantasy points per target last year.

732
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:17,239
Speaker 3: He was third in receiving yards per route, sixth in

733
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:21,480
Speaker 3: fantasy points per route he was fourth, and catch rate

734
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:25,480
Speaker 3: he led all receivers in yards per target Like this

735
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:28,520
Speaker 3: is as a rookie. He was one of the very

736
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:32,200
Speaker 3: best against man coverage as a rookie, which remember when

737
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:33,880
Speaker 3: he was coming in, it was like this guy is

738
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:37,000
Speaker 3: a zone buster, but man might give him difficulty in

739
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:37,960
Speaker 3: the NFL level.

740
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:39,920
Speaker 2: He was like, no, I'm one of the best at

741
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:40,680
Speaker 2: it already.

742
00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:44,040
Speaker 3: So and he was one of the best slot receivers

743
00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:46,359
Speaker 3: last year as well, and we know we could play

744
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:49,160
Speaker 3: out wide, he could went downfield. Like I loved Ladd

745
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:54,880
Speaker 3: as a prospect and then he exceeded expectations as a

746
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:58,839
Speaker 3: rookie in his first year there in Justin Herbert's first

747
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:01,640
Speaker 3: year there in that new off So I think their

748
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:05,359
Speaker 3: chemistry can only get better. And I do think we

749
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:10,320
Speaker 3: are drafting Lad towards his ceiling. But if the Chargers

750
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:12,960
Speaker 3: throw more this year, and I think that's all it takes,

751
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:15,960
Speaker 3: like Lad McConkie could exceed this this value because he

752
00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:17,360
Speaker 3: is that good in my life.

753
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:19,720
Speaker 2: One I agree. I think we are drafting Lad pretty

754
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:24,160
Speaker 2: much at his ceiling right now. The thing that I

755
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:28,120
Speaker 2: worry about is I'm not sure the Chargers are going

756
00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:31,799
Speaker 2: to throw more than they did last year, by though.

757
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:34,719
Speaker 2: I think they threw more last year than people realize.

758
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:36,480
Speaker 2: I know, I think they did. No, that's why, and

759
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:38,319
Speaker 2: that's what I'm sort of like. I don't know if

760
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:40,520
Speaker 2: they want to up the anty on that anymore. I

761
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:45,759
Speaker 2: was looking a Jim Harbaugh quarterback in the NFL. He

762
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:48,200
Speaker 2: has never had a quarterback throw for thirty nine hundred yards,

763
00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:50,319
Speaker 2: let alone four thousand. He's never had a quarterback throw

764
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 2: for thirty nine hundred yards. Last year, Justin Herbert had

765
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:59,920
Speaker 2: the highest yardage total ever for a Jim Harbaugh quarterback.

766
00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:02,840
Speaker 2: He's also probably the best. He's probably the best of

767
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:07,799
Speaker 2: them he's ever happen. I think he's the best passer, right, Yes, yeah,

768
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:10,279
Speaker 2: I mean he had he had Colin Kaepernick, who's a

769
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:12,960
Speaker 2: different kind of quarterback. Yeah, he had Alex Smith, who

770
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:16,240
Speaker 2: was a different kind of quarterback. I think Justin Herbert

771
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:19,320
Speaker 2: is just the best pure passer that he's ever had.

772
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:22,160
Speaker 2: And he threw the ball five hundred times last year. Like,

773
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:27,759
Speaker 2: I don't know that a Jim Harbaugh Greg Roman offense

774
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:31,080
Speaker 2: is going to do that consistently.

775
00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:36,200
Speaker 4: When what you're hinting at is the offense stabilizing, getting

776
00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:38,960
Speaker 4: back to what they originally wanted to do. Because Justin

777
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:42,480
Speaker 4: Herbert was averaging twenty two passes per game before the buy,

778
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:45,080
Speaker 4: and that's because JK. Dobbins was getting the ball like

779
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:47,520
Speaker 4: fifteen twenty times, averaged in two point nine yards for

780
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:49,719
Speaker 4: carry and it wasn't working. So once they hit out

781
00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:51,920
Speaker 4: of that buy, that's when it jumped up to the

782
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:54,400
Speaker 4: thirty plus pass attempts per game. And that's where you

783
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:57,400
Speaker 4: see the surge late in the season from Lad McCaughey

784
00:38:57,480 --> 00:39:01,560
Speaker 4: by situational targets because who else was there? Because Quentin

785
00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:05,160
Speaker 4: Johnson is a failed project. At this point, Will Disley

786
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:09,760
Speaker 4: was your second third best option, Davins in the chat here.

787
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:12,239
Speaker 2: Or so we're just we're punching on Quentin Johnston. Huh,

788
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:15,400
Speaker 2: we're done. You all get donald project. You just go

789
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:16,520
Speaker 2: to a failed project.

790
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:19,560
Speaker 4: At this you fed him ninety targets. He barely even

791
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:23,080
Speaker 4: cracked over fifty catches many you're dropping the ball in

792
00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:26,520
Speaker 4: crucial moments downfield. That's why you bring in Trey Harris.

793
00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:29,680
Speaker 4: And that's why I say this offense stabilizes because they

794
00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:32,720
Speaker 4: get they get Omar and Hampton, they get Najie Harris,

795
00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:34,399
Speaker 4: they get that one to two punch that they want

796
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:35,160
Speaker 4: to run the ball.

797
00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:39,200
Speaker 2: Now Ladd is seeing less volume. Herbert's throwing the ball less.

798
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:42,200
Speaker 2: So how are we hitting top ten conversation? You don't

799
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:46,200
Speaker 2: even beyond his twelve targets. I think he sees that

800
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:48,400
Speaker 2: man one hundred and twelve targets. Sure, that's what he

801
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:50,480
Speaker 2: got last year, where he's again.

802
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:52,719
Speaker 3: Twelve best wide receiver in total points as he will

803
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:54,160
Speaker 3: do it again.

804
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:57,759
Speaker 4: What if he hit a ceiling at twelve, that's it,

805
00:39:58,320 --> 00:39:59,359
Speaker 4: that's it, that's what we're gonna get.

806
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:01,279
Speaker 3: But if he like, I don't see a world where

807
00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:03,960
Speaker 3: he doesn't get because to Gavin's point, they producer Gavin

808
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:06,040
Speaker 3: put in the chat like Lad mcconky was hurt early

809
00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:08,200
Speaker 3: on in the season and he still had one hundred

810
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:10,880
Speaker 3: and twelve targets, Like yeah, I just don't see that

811
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:14,000
Speaker 3: number going down. And if it goes up, I think

812
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:16,680
Speaker 3: he's because Quick Johnson had ninety one targets. Like you said,

813
00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:19,319
Speaker 3: Josh Palmer's gone. He hit sixty five. That was their

814
00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:20,120
Speaker 3: third most targeted.

815
00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:22,880
Speaker 2: But Mike Williams is back. Yeah, Mike Williams is going

816
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:25,000
Speaker 2: to get sixty five targets. You don't think Mike Wimson

817
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:27,000
Speaker 2: gets sixty five targets in this offense. I think Mike

818
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:35,440
Speaker 2: Williams had like six targets last year. Well him, oh

819
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:38,919
Speaker 2: man doing this again. I mean I think you can

820
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:44,399
Speaker 2: get sixty five targets in this offense. I'm looking. Yeah,

821
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:47,839
Speaker 2: I mean he was, he was around ninety targets most

822
00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:52,160
Speaker 2: of the time. When when that, you know, when that happened.

823
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:56,160
Speaker 2: I think he can get I see Mike Williams is back.

824
00:40:56,560 --> 00:41:00,520
Speaker 2: Trey Harris, who may or may not be that dude, uh,

825
00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:03,560
Speaker 2: you know he's gonna get some opportunities there. Who knows,

826
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 2: you know, obviously they already get Omari and Hampton and

827
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:11,280
Speaker 2: Najie Harris involved. I mean, I just I think if anything,

828
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:14,720
Speaker 2: I could see McConkie, maybe there's a little bit of improvement.

829
00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:17,600
Speaker 2: I just don't see him going to the moon this year.

830
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:18,320
Speaker 2: That's correct.

831
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:22,040
Speaker 3: Gavin didn't mean Latin McConkie. He meant justin Herbert was

832
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:24,880
Speaker 3: Herbert didn't throw early on and he was I forgot

833
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:25,880
Speaker 3: about that, Like that's right.

834
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:29,760
Speaker 2: Uh, why this sudden change.

835
00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:32,400
Speaker 4: After to buy because they only put up ten points

836
00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:34,600
Speaker 4: in back to back games against the Steelers and Chiefs,

837
00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:37,359
Speaker 4: And again JK was running that rock.

838
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:39,960
Speaker 2: Gus Edwards, where did he go? He didn't exist? Like

839
00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:42,399
Speaker 2: we have to add this run game that just got

840
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:44,680
Speaker 2: added this year to where you have adorable running back.

841
00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:47,000
Speaker 2: You don't have to worry about Naji getting hurt like

842
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:49,680
Speaker 2: a JK. Dobbinson taking a step back into playbook hoping

843
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:53,120
Speaker 2: that Gus Edwards or Camanie Vedell teardrop. You know. But

844
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:55,319
Speaker 2: it's just like at the end of the day, we're

845
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:57,840
Speaker 2: not really looking at the red flags, like we're just

846
00:41:57,920 --> 00:41:59,719
Speaker 2: kind of putting him to the moon That's my only

847
00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:02,759
Speaker 2: argue because again, there's no way I'm taking Ladd over

848
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:05,480
Speaker 2: Tyreek Hill or A J. Brown. This is what's happening

849
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:07,360
Speaker 2: in draft right now. I wouldn't take him over A J.

850
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:09,319
Speaker 2: Brown is the most disrespected for he should be a

851
00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:11,399
Speaker 2: first round pick. Yeah, here's the thing.

852
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:14,359
Speaker 4: The question for the poll was is like, hey, it's

853
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:17,319
Speaker 4: round two. You need a wide receiver one. How are

854
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:19,439
Speaker 4: we comfortable with ladders our wide receiver one?

855
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:23,360
Speaker 2: That that's the issue there. Tyreek in my opinion.

856
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:26,040
Speaker 4: As a one as a one because he's hitting those

857
00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:28,399
Speaker 4: heights before and we know what that offense can be.

858
00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:32,719
Speaker 3: Rather youth than a player facing an H I mean personally,

859
00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:36,680
Speaker 3: I mean I get the muscle memory argument.

860
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:45,200
Speaker 2: I do. Yeah, Yeah, how many like I like?

861
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:48,360
Speaker 3: So, what you're expecting less than one hundred and twelve

862
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:50,839
Speaker 3: targets or around one hundred and twelve targets around? Yeah?

863
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:53,680
Speaker 4: I mean I expecting him in the mirror exactly what

864
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:57,880
Speaker 4: happened last year in terms of five receiver, hold on,

865
00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:01,040
Speaker 4: hold on, hold on, hold on. In terms of volume, maybe,

866
00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:03,239
Speaker 4: but I don't expect the yardage. I don't expect the

867
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:06,440
Speaker 4: touchdowns because it's gonna get distributed between the new additions.

868
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:08,200
Speaker 2: The touchdown number is the one that I think he

869
00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:10,799
Speaker 2: gets me the most nervous, right, But like I can

870
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:15,760
Speaker 2: see that four five, why though he is an elite

871
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:22,040
Speaker 2: route runner, because touchdowns are fickle beasts. Man. Even if

872
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:25,279
Speaker 2: you give those eight to Trey Harris, like this is

873
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:27,400
Speaker 2: where this is where somebody from Twitter busts in. So

874
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:31,080
Speaker 2: this goes back to the place breath is like, but

875
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:33,640
Speaker 2: most of those were blown coverage was like, that's what

876
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:37,400
Speaker 2: happens with the question, Johnston. You're saying this is his ceiling.

877
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:41,359
Speaker 3: I view it as like, why would this not if

878
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:44,799
Speaker 3: we're saying the like, Okay, he's gonna do this if

879
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:48,439
Speaker 3: nothing changes, if everything goes wrong for him, that would

880
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:49,880
Speaker 3: be his floor in my opinion.

881
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:54,360
Speaker 2: Okay, so this could be his floor and in your case,

882
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:56,480
Speaker 2: But what I'm saying is that this is his ceiling.

883
00:43:56,520 --> 00:43:59,720
Speaker 2: By situational targets. There was nobody there that can earn

884
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:02,480
Speaker 2: more targets in him, or earn more production, or earned

885
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:04,320
Speaker 2: that trust from Justin Herbert.

886
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:07,440
Speaker 3: Who's gonna held the targets and Ladd Mconky this year, nobody's.

887
00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:08,800
Speaker 2: Gonna have more targets, but they're going to have the

888
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:13,040
Speaker 2: chargers probably nobody, nobody, nobody, I mean, I think my

889
00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:17,560
Speaker 2: my concern is just more that will be passing volume increase.

890
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:20,200
Speaker 2: And I'm not I'm not. That's what I'm saying.

891
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:25,000
Speaker 3: Bottom ten in passing last year, Like they were tenth,

892
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:28,560
Speaker 3: I believe in in the lowest past percentage, so.

893
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:32,480
Speaker 2: They were like, yeah, I think tenth. I think the

894
00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:37,920
Speaker 2: room for improvement outweighs the room for him to decline personally,

895
00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:42,520
Speaker 2: plateau maybe a plateau.

896
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:45,759
Speaker 3: So if he, like as a rookie, if he was

897
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:49,080
Speaker 3: top twelve, and that's the plateau drafting his.

898
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:53,799
Speaker 2: Situational targets, that's just what I'm going to stand on

899
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:58,480
Speaker 2: situational targets. Nobody there was good. I'm I mean, we

900
00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:03,120
Speaker 2: know if anyone's good. Now we don't know anything. But again,

901
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:05,120
Speaker 2: then he would just mirror what he did last year.

902
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:08,680
Speaker 2: I'm not saying he's gonna decline, but but he was

903
00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:11,439
Speaker 2: a rookie who got out the gate slow and then

904
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:12,560
Speaker 2: like was elite.

905
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:16,520
Speaker 4: So like, if who's to say that slow start doesn't

906
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:19,080
Speaker 4: start back again? Because they wanted to run the ball

907
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:22,600
Speaker 4: that they were the second highest run percentage those first

908
00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:25,520
Speaker 4: five weeks that's that's what the identity of the offense is.

909
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:28,080
Speaker 4: And what tells is that is the coaching staff. But

910
00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:31,000
Speaker 4: to Gavin's point, Justin Herbert was hurt to start the

911
00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:34,160
Speaker 4: year and Laddi McConkie was a rookie who didn't really

912
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:36,160
Speaker 4: get all the camp reps with Justin Herbert.

913
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:42,319
Speaker 2: All right, I'm going to be on the clock really

914
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:47,200
Speaker 2: soon in in SFB and and look there's a there's

915
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:49,520
Speaker 2: a list of wide receivers are going to be available

916
00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:52,120
Speaker 2: to me, and that's one of them. So I gotta

917
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:54,359
Speaker 2: figure out, like I'm I'm in here taking all these

918
00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:56,760
Speaker 2: arguments in and trying to weigh them in my head

919
00:45:56,920 --> 00:45:58,440
Speaker 2: to figure out what didn't take A J. Brown over

920
00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:04,120
Speaker 2: Laddi McConkie in SIF beat. But that's for all the conversations.

921
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:06,040
Speaker 2: Like a J. I have his like fifth or six

922
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:09,120
Speaker 2: in my rankings, like he is very underrated. So there

923
00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:11,759
Speaker 2: are a handful of names right now on my list that,

924
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:16,360
Speaker 2: without debate, will rank ahead of lad McConkie. So it

925
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:19,120
Speaker 2: might not even be an issue for me. But you know,

926
00:46:19,160 --> 00:46:21,640
Speaker 2: I'm just I'm just so hold up, if you don't mind,

927
00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:23,160
Speaker 2: real quick, I have him at ten.

928
00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:25,440
Speaker 3: These are some of the names behind him, Like, Okay,

929
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:27,640
Speaker 3: Drake London, I know you guys are going to take

930
00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:32,640
Speaker 3: Drake London. Yeah, Terry McLaurin, Yeah, T Higgins. So this poll,

931
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:37,320
Speaker 3: they were in this poll, Rashi, Rice, DJ Moore, Garrett Wilson, JSN,

932
00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:40,680
Speaker 3: Mike Evans, Davante Like, yes.

933
00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:44,160
Speaker 2: I think we're over all of those guys. I think

934
00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:48,719
Speaker 2: we're sleeping on T Higgins. We are the.

935
00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:50,440
Speaker 3: Only reason I don't like T. Higgins is because he's

936
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:51,920
Speaker 3: going to give you like twelve games.

937
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:56,600
Speaker 2: Okay, I mean I think that's a fair fantasy season. Yeah,

938
00:46:57,280 --> 00:47:02,000
Speaker 2: which twelve games is the problems the problem? Yeah, I

939
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:03,600
Speaker 2: mean I just think with T Higgins, I think, you know,

940
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:07,160
Speaker 2: especially as long as Trey Hendrickson is unhappy and not there,

941
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:10,359
Speaker 2: that's a bad defense, and that's a team that's gonna

942
00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:12,360
Speaker 2: have to throw the ball a lot. And yeah, but

943
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:14,640
Speaker 2: this is my problem with Ceilings too, though, be like,

944
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:17,640
Speaker 2: if T Higgins gives us seventeen games with this type

945
00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:20,040
Speaker 2: of production, with this same settle, with the same passing,

946
00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:23,120
Speaker 2: behind the same bad defense, how is he not in

947
00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:25,400
Speaker 2: conversation of top ten? How is he not?

948
00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:28,759
Speaker 4: How can't Chase and T Higgins both finished inside the

949
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:31,760
Speaker 4: top twelve. Then like, these are realities that can happen.

950
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:34,239
Speaker 4: I have a hard time saying that Ladd is a

951
00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:35,640
Speaker 4: top twelve lock this year.

952
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:38,120
Speaker 2: That's my Ladd has more yards as a rookie than T.

953
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:41,680
Speaker 2: Higgins has ever had in a career season because he's hurt. Man,

954
00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:45,200
Speaker 2: it's not fair. But even games there is a break.

955
00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:47,960
Speaker 2: This is the breaks. I mean, you got factor in right,

956
00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:52,560
Speaker 2: hurt that year, that was Burrow hurt that year that like.

957
00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:54,799
Speaker 3: Every year, it feels like right, maybe I gotta look,

958
00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:57,200
Speaker 3: but seven touchdowns is the second most hit would be

959
00:47:57,200 --> 00:47:58,239
Speaker 3: the second most Higgins has.

960
00:47:58,200 --> 00:48:05,640
Speaker 2: Ever had in his career. That's I love it.

961
00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:09,200
Speaker 3: Played sixteen games that year, play sixteen games at sixteen

962
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:09,960
Speaker 3: in place.

963
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:13,600
Speaker 2: I just check games. Yeah, I still think I think T.

964
00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:16,360
Speaker 2: Higgins is being underrated. He's a great number two. But

965
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:21,960
Speaker 2: of those four you probably he probably the guy take last.

966
00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:27,960
Speaker 2: I have Tyreek last, Adams taking Adams. No bias, Yeah,

967
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:30,080
Speaker 2: no bias at all. As you sit here wearing your rams,

968
00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:33,920
Speaker 2: pull over your rams quarters it for sure, man, I

969
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:37,680
Speaker 2: Feld putting this on all right. Anyway, I'll take a

970
00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:39,959
Speaker 2: one to come back. We'll talk to some scott Fish Bowl.

971
00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:43,600
Speaker 2: I'm I am. I'm on deck in scott Fish Bowl,

972
00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:46,080
Speaker 2: So I maybe I may be asking questions to help

973
00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:48,080
Speaker 2: my own cause here right now. So I take a break,

974
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:54,480
Speaker 2: come back with more on the NFL Fantasy Football Podcast. So,

975
00:48:54,680 --> 00:48:58,040
Speaker 2: if you are any part of fantasy social media, you

976
00:48:58,040 --> 00:49:00,080
Speaker 2: have seen plenty of people talking about the Scott Fish

977
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:05,520
Speaker 2: Bowl hashtag s FB fifteen is underway. There were live

978
00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:07,879
Speaker 2: drafts across the country the kwand you were at one

979
00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:13,200
Speaker 2: in Vegas several weeks ago. These slow drafts are underway,

980
00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:16,400
Speaker 2: so we will be he will be making picks U

981
00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:20,920
Speaker 2: all throughout the next few days and weeks. You know,

982
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:22,920
Speaker 2: I'm glad that my division has been very chill. We

983
00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:25,560
Speaker 2: haven't got a lot of OTC messages, people not freeing

984
00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:29,279
Speaker 2: out about things. Because it's July eighth. There's a long

985
00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:31,440
Speaker 2: way to go before we actually have real football. Like,

986
00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:33,759
Speaker 2: there's no reason to rush through this and get this

987
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:36,200
Speaker 2: thing done right now. But I guess, first off, what

988
00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:38,640
Speaker 2: what the division? What draft position were you? You guys

989
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:40,319
Speaker 2: in Lakwan So.

990
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:42,160
Speaker 4: I was at the age spot and I am in

991
00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:44,319
Speaker 4: the athletics Las Vegas Athletics.

992
00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:46,480
Speaker 2: So I saw your test stop stop it. I just

993
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:51,840
Speaker 2: saw your stop it, stop it, stop it. I just

994
00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:54,800
Speaker 2: hit it with that. I thought you're to stop it

995
00:49:54,840 --> 00:49:58,560
Speaker 2: because he killed them. The Vegas Athletics. Oh no, I don't.

996
00:49:58,640 --> 00:50:00,759
Speaker 2: I don't. I don't acknow is that they are the

997
00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:04,880
Speaker 2: They're the West Sacramento A's. That's what they were. Sorry,

998
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:08,120
Speaker 2: I don't keep up with the base of ball, but yeah,

999
00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:11,520
Speaker 2: I was at the eighth, five man base of the ball.

1000
00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:16,120
Speaker 2: All right, So eighth. I'm sorry. You were in the

1001
00:50:16,120 --> 00:50:18,000
Speaker 2: A's division. Is that what it is? That's you're in

1002
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:20,440
Speaker 2: the A's Yeah. Yeah, with the home meies and stuff

1003
00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:22,960
Speaker 2: over there. Troy sam was.

1004
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:25,400
Speaker 3: Your Vegas draft kind of like the League Vegas Draft,

1005
00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:28,839
Speaker 3: where like people are half paying attention, but they're they're

1006
00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:31,320
Speaker 3: half in the pool and drinking and stuff.

1007
00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:33,560
Speaker 2: Like I was in the pool and I was on

1008
00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:35,640
Speaker 2: the clock for a while and people were looking for me,

1009
00:50:35,719 --> 00:50:37,319
Speaker 2: and then they looked in the pool like, yeah, where

1010
00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:40,200
Speaker 2: are you at? Oh my bad? You know it happens.

1011
00:50:40,560 --> 00:50:44,120
Speaker 2: It's naked, all right? So what what what division? What

1012
00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:49,239
Speaker 2: draft spot are you in Florida? I'm in the Bills Division. Uh.

1013
00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:51,040
Speaker 2: And that was only because the Knicks were taken.

1014
00:50:50,840 --> 00:50:53,279
Speaker 3: At the time I thought that at all, so I

1015
00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:54,640
Speaker 3: wanted to be amongst those fans.

1016
00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:58,560
Speaker 2: I'm pick five, all right, I am in the USC

1017
00:50:58,640 --> 00:51:02,040
Speaker 2: Trojan's Division. I landed with the first pick. You know,

1018
00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:04,239
Speaker 2: they were all these were all drawn at random, So

1019
00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:07,279
Speaker 2: I got the number one pick. Uh and uh. I

1020
00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:10,560
Speaker 2: started it with Lamar Jackson. He was my my first

1021
00:51:10,560 --> 00:51:14,600
Speaker 2: pick overalls, all right. I just I knew I wanted

1022
00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:17,719
Speaker 2: a quarterback. It's a super flex league. You don't have

1023
00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:19,400
Speaker 2: to start a quarterback, but I feel like you're a

1024
00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:21,839
Speaker 2: disadvantage if you don't, you know, have at least one,

1025
00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:26,040
Speaker 2: possibly two. And I knew that with so many teams

1026
00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:28,000
Speaker 2: and having to wait all the way for it to

1027
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:31,640
Speaker 2: come back to me, I probably wasn't gonna be thrilled

1028
00:51:31,880 --> 00:51:33,640
Speaker 2: with the quarterback options. So I'm like, let me just

1029
00:51:33,680 --> 00:51:36,359
Speaker 2: get one now that I know I'm gonna feel comfortable with,

1030
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:38,520
Speaker 2: and then we'll figure out the rest of it. You

1031
00:51:38,560 --> 00:51:40,880
Speaker 2: get a point per carry, so like that goes a

1032
00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:43,800
Speaker 2: long way with Lemon. Yeah, that's the other part of

1033
00:51:43,840 --> 00:51:46,480
Speaker 2: this too. Scoring and Scott Fishball for you. For those

1034
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:48,520
Speaker 2: of you who don't know, it's a little bit different,

1035
00:51:48,520 --> 00:51:50,720
Speaker 2: and it also depends on the platform the game. The

1036
00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:55,400
Speaker 2: tournament's played across multiple platforms. If you're playing on MFL

1037
00:51:55,560 --> 00:51:58,480
Speaker 2: on My Fantasy League, it's a one point per reception.

1038
00:51:58,640 --> 00:52:01,920
Speaker 2: If you're playing on sleeper, it's two and a half

1039
00:52:01,960 --> 00:52:03,400
Speaker 2: points per recess.

1040
00:52:04,239 --> 00:52:06,160
Speaker 3: Question for you guys that maybe you don't only answer

1041
00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:08,400
Speaker 3: to what happens if, like the finals is an NFL

1042
00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:10,480
Speaker 3: team versus sleeper team, like.

1043
00:52:10,719 --> 00:52:12,960
Speaker 2: I would think scoring do they go by? Yeah? I

1044
00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:16,200
Speaker 2: would think between Scott Fish and Ryan McDowell and all

1045
00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:18,080
Speaker 2: the people who help run this thing, I would think

1046
00:52:18,120 --> 00:52:23,320
Speaker 2: they have planned for that potentially. Dun dun dum. Yeah,

1047
00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:26,680
Speaker 2: it's a good question. It's a really good question. But yeah,

1048
00:52:26,719 --> 00:52:28,440
Speaker 2: I don't. I don't know the answer. Point and a

1049
00:52:28,440 --> 00:52:33,120
Speaker 2: half per catch adds a quick weekly Uh so I

1050
00:52:33,120 --> 00:52:35,800
Speaker 2: mean knowing that now Florida, you're in the sleeper leagues?

1051
00:52:36,080 --> 00:52:36,239
Speaker 1: Uh?

1052
00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:40,040
Speaker 2: Lawanam guess yours is a sleeper league as well? Correct? Yes?

1053
00:52:40,160 --> 00:52:40,359
Speaker 3: Sure?

1054
00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:44,480
Speaker 2: What? Well, since since your team is actually done right,

1055
00:52:44,520 --> 00:52:46,640
Speaker 2: you did the live draft, you finished it up on sleeper,

1056
00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:49,080
Speaker 2: did you have any particular strategy besides like I'm just

1057
00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:53,160
Speaker 2: gonna go chill in the pool, and what was your

1058
00:52:53,239 --> 00:52:56,640
Speaker 2: strategy for this thing? This is how cocky. I was

1059
00:52:56,640 --> 00:52:59,040
Speaker 2: because after my first two picks, I got my drink

1060
00:52:59,239 --> 00:53:00,479
Speaker 2: and I went straight to the pool.

1061
00:53:00,560 --> 00:53:03,239
Speaker 4: So I ended up with Chase and pookin Nicol. With

1062
00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:05,399
Speaker 4: that two and a half point per reception, I am

1063
00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:08,120
Speaker 4: going to be dominating just with these two there. So

1064
00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:10,440
Speaker 4: that was my strategy. After that, I was like, know what,

1065
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:12,560
Speaker 4: let me go back to the board. I'm gonna get

1066
00:53:12,640 --> 00:53:13,160
Speaker 4: James Cook.

1067
00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:17,279
Speaker 2: I'm gonna get bo Nicks and after that got our

1068
00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:18,759
Speaker 2: j Harvey and then after that I was a Blair.

1069
00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:24,719
Speaker 2: The cranberry started kicking in. Yeah, the Cranberry. That's where

1070
00:53:24,719 --> 00:53:27,680
Speaker 2: it was. That's what I was thinking. In Floridell. So

1071
00:53:27,800 --> 00:53:30,680
Speaker 2: your first pick was Lamar Jackson at the fifth spot.

1072
00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:34,120
Speaker 2: You are several rounds deep. What do you have so far?

1073
00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:36,759
Speaker 2: So in the second round I texted you guys about

1074
00:53:36,760 --> 00:53:37,320
Speaker 2: it yesterday.

1075
00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:40,760
Speaker 3: I really wanted to go Pooka Nakula, but Joe Burrow

1076
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:43,480
Speaker 3: fell there and I was like, how many Lamar Burrow

1077
00:53:43,520 --> 00:53:45,920
Speaker 3: teams are going to be in this huge time? So

1078
00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:52,239
Speaker 3: I decided to go Lamar Burrow and then I went

1079
00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:54,400
Speaker 3: aj Brown in round three. Who I'll continue to say it.

1080
00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:56,400
Speaker 3: I think he is super underrated, Like he was on

1081
00:53:56,520 --> 00:53:59,600
Speaker 3: par paced last year over seventeen games for fourteen hundred

1082
00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:02,920
Speaker 3: yards and touchdowns. It's an average in j Brown Eagles season.

1083
00:54:03,680 --> 00:54:05,840
Speaker 3: And then in the fourth round, I took Terry McLaurin,

1084
00:54:06,280 --> 00:54:10,120
Speaker 3: who I also think is being underrated. Last year, he

1085
00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:13,640
Speaker 3: averaged the second most fantasy points per target, and he

1086
00:54:13,719 --> 00:54:17,080
Speaker 3: scored a career high fantasy points on the second fewest

1087
00:54:17,080 --> 00:54:18,200
Speaker 3: targets he's ever had.

1088
00:54:19,080 --> 00:54:21,439
Speaker 2: And we saw the Commanders throw the ball a lot

1089
00:54:21,520 --> 00:54:23,000
Speaker 2: more in the second half of the season.

1090
00:54:23,120 --> 00:54:25,960
Speaker 3: I think it was by design, like let's get Jaden

1091
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:26,960
Speaker 3: comfortable and stuff.

1092
00:54:28,239 --> 00:54:30,600
Speaker 2: So I think Terry, you guys could call me crazy.

1093
00:54:30,600 --> 00:54:33,000
Speaker 3: I don't have him ranked in my top ten, but

1094
00:54:33,200 --> 00:54:35,760
Speaker 3: I think he brings top ten, top five upside again.

1095
00:54:36,120 --> 00:54:38,880
Speaker 3: And I'm cool, like, he doesn't go anywhere close to

1096
00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:39,359
Speaker 3: top ten.

1097
00:54:39,960 --> 00:54:41,480
Speaker 2: No, I mean, I think that's fair because I do

1098
00:54:41,520 --> 00:54:44,360
Speaker 2: think the upside is high for Terry McLaurin, especially another

1099
00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:47,879
Speaker 2: year with him and Daniels together. You know, I'm very

1100
00:54:47,920 --> 00:54:51,279
Speaker 2: bullish on the Commander's offense this year, at least the

1101
00:54:51,320 --> 00:54:54,719
Speaker 2: passing game. The backfield's like, yeah, I don't know.

1102
00:54:54,920 --> 00:54:58,160
Speaker 3: Remember last year when we debated Brian Robinson and Auson Eckler,

1103
00:54:58,360 --> 00:54:58,680
Speaker 3: and this.

1104
00:54:58,719 --> 00:55:01,960
Speaker 2: Year was talk about of them. The answer is neither

1105
00:55:02,080 --> 00:55:04,840
Speaker 2: really what it is all said and done, answers Deebo

1106
00:55:04,920 --> 00:55:08,080
Speaker 2: Samuel this year, Yes that I don't even I don't

1107
00:55:08,080 --> 00:55:12,080
Speaker 2: even think that let for fantasy at least you guys.

1108
00:55:12,160 --> 00:55:14,319
Speaker 2: You guys know my feelings on Deebo, that he's he's

1109
00:55:14,360 --> 00:55:17,640
Speaker 2: a good real life football player who doesn't necessarily translate

1110
00:55:17,840 --> 00:55:19,960
Speaker 2: to fanas. Okay, what are your feelings on him?

1111
00:55:20,600 --> 00:55:20,719
Speaker 3: Well?

1112
00:55:21,360 --> 00:55:24,080
Speaker 2: Better, but he's not in San Francisco. I want to say,

1113
00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:27,239
Speaker 2: it looks like it's burning down over there in San Francisco,

1114
00:55:27,719 --> 00:55:32,360
Speaker 2: burning down, Samuel, because you because you put in slack

1115
00:55:32,840 --> 00:55:38,080
Speaker 2: a blog aggregated article that sourced other blog aggregated articles

1116
00:55:38,120 --> 00:55:41,840
Speaker 2: on their rumors about Brandon Ayuk, like there was shared

1117
00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:46,680
Speaker 2: everyone feel like the curtain. Lakwan sent us this thing

1118
00:55:46,719 --> 00:55:49,279
Speaker 2: about like Brandon Ayuk trade rumors and like, look, I've

1119
00:55:49,320 --> 00:55:52,040
Speaker 2: been sort of on vacation and not like fully plugged

1120
00:55:52,040 --> 00:55:54,279
Speaker 2: in for a while, so like I was like, what

1121
00:55:54,760 --> 00:55:57,279
Speaker 2: I read this article, and I'm like looking for any

1122
00:55:57,320 --> 00:56:00,120
Speaker 2: kind of source, and it's just like this blogger who's

1123
00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:02,160
Speaker 2: just like so this is what I think. And then

1124
00:56:02,239 --> 00:56:05,360
Speaker 2: like as a backup source referred to like link to

1125
00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:08,359
Speaker 2: another blogger who's like, I suggested the Niners do this,

1126
00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:11,200
Speaker 2: and I'm like dove climbing. I was just like that.

1127
00:56:11,520 --> 00:56:14,360
Speaker 2: I was just like, oh, they just like want to

1128
00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:17,640
Speaker 2: be Dove Climban's right. I'm just like I read two

1129
00:56:17,680 --> 00:56:19,720
Speaker 2: or three I read two or three times. I started

1130
00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:22,279
Speaker 2: googling other things and I'm like, I don't. I'm like, okay,

1131
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:25,680
Speaker 2: I can ignore this like there's nothing there. I'm here

1132
00:56:25,719 --> 00:56:27,680
Speaker 2: for the hate and I will promote it. I know

1133
00:56:27,800 --> 00:56:30,400
Speaker 2: you are. I know you are. So like I was like, Okay.

1134
00:56:30,760 --> 00:56:33,360
Speaker 2: After like being like mildly concerned for a little bit,

1135
00:56:33,440 --> 00:56:36,880
Speaker 2: I went back to doing yeah, eating ham or whatever

1136
00:56:36,880 --> 00:56:37,200
Speaker 2: I was.

1137
00:56:37,120 --> 00:56:41,600
Speaker 3: Doing there, seven forty nine ers at rams that that's

1138
00:56:41,600 --> 00:56:42,959
Speaker 3: gonna be a fun one for this show.

1139
00:56:43,239 --> 00:56:48,840
Speaker 2: Oh and Levi South, Oh that's crazy. What is the

1140
00:56:48,920 --> 00:56:50,600
Speaker 2: last time you guys won a Super Bowl?

1141
00:56:51,400 --> 00:56:51,600
Speaker 3: Think?

1142
00:56:51,920 --> 00:56:54,200
Speaker 2: I think I was two years old. Last night you

1143
00:56:54,280 --> 00:56:57,280
Speaker 2: guys run a bowl? You know, and is it Bang

1144
00:56:57,320 --> 00:56:59,480
Speaker 2: Bang Gang or is it blank blank? Because we have

1145
00:56:59,560 --> 00:57:02,319
Speaker 2: not seen you guys show up. Okay, not show up,

1146
00:57:02,320 --> 00:57:04,239
Speaker 2: I mean we come to your house and take over.

1147
00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:07,080
Speaker 2: So and you guys leave losing where it matters.

1148
00:57:07,080 --> 00:57:09,680
Speaker 4: So it's gonna be crazy when we get a Super

1149
00:57:09,719 --> 00:57:11,400
Speaker 4: Bowl at yr House had Levi Stadium.

1150
00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:13,839
Speaker 2: It's going to be so fine North soon. By the way,

1151
00:57:14,480 --> 00:57:18,440
Speaker 2: now is that where it is this year? Yes? It

1152
00:57:18,520 --> 00:57:21,280
Speaker 2: is stadium this year for sure. That's right. And are

1153
00:57:21,320 --> 00:57:23,200
Speaker 2: winning and the Rams got the ring in the bag

1154
00:57:23,240 --> 00:57:26,240
Speaker 2: already in the bag. I will say this, I am

1155
00:57:26,320 --> 00:57:29,120
Speaker 2: I was tasked with putting together win loss records for

1156
00:57:29,280 --> 00:57:31,440
Speaker 2: NFL dot Com. I mean I'm not the only one,

1157
00:57:31,440 --> 00:57:33,840
Speaker 2: but several. You're doing win loss records for every team,

1158
00:57:33,960 --> 00:57:36,240
Speaker 2: and it does. I don't want to say this out

1159
00:57:36,240 --> 00:57:41,120
Speaker 2: loud with you listening, but you're muscle. Yeah, Like, you know,

1160
00:57:41,120 --> 00:57:42,560
Speaker 2: the Rams are gonna have a really good They're gonna

1161
00:57:42,560 --> 00:57:43,760
Speaker 2: be a good team this year. Like, I'm not gonna

1162
00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:45,080
Speaker 2: deny that they are going to be very good. I

1163
00:57:45,080 --> 00:57:47,280
Speaker 2: actually think they're gonna win. I think they're gonna be

1164
00:57:47,520 --> 00:57:48,720
Speaker 2: you know, they're gonna be a problem for a lot

1165
00:57:48,720 --> 00:57:51,360
Speaker 2: of How many wins did you give the bills? What

1166
00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:52,959
Speaker 2: do we have the bills that I've got the bills

1167
00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:55,160
Speaker 2: at twelve and uh there the builds A thirteen and four,

1168
00:57:55,240 --> 00:57:59,400
Speaker 2: thirteen and four That year doesn gonna fail you there.

1169
00:57:59,680 --> 00:58:01,600
Speaker 2: So I haven't gone through all the teams yet. I'm

1170
00:58:01,640 --> 00:58:07,960
Speaker 2: about halfway through. Uh but yeah, I've not done the

1171
00:58:08,040 --> 00:58:09,960
Speaker 2: Niners yet. But it's I mean, so the way I'm

1172
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:13,640
Speaker 2: doing it is as I fill in wins losses for

1173
00:58:14,280 --> 00:58:16,640
Speaker 2: just doing alphabetical order, Like what are you talking about,

1174
00:58:17,240 --> 00:58:19,480
Speaker 2: I'm quite an order like as so as I fill

1175
00:58:19,480 --> 00:58:21,160
Speaker 2: in wins and losses for one team, I try to,

1176
00:58:21,200 --> 00:58:24,200
Speaker 2: you know, do the corresponding game on the schedule grid

1177
00:58:24,240 --> 00:58:26,600
Speaker 2: so that way I don't have to try to memorize things.

1178
00:58:26,640 --> 00:58:29,600
Speaker 2: So like you know, like things are looking good. Uh,

1179
00:58:29,680 --> 00:58:32,800
Speaker 2: things are looking good for for the commanders, uh you

1180
00:58:33,240 --> 00:58:36,800
Speaker 2: each team schedule like win loss, win loss, win loss. Yeah,

1181
00:58:36,880 --> 00:58:39,520
Speaker 2: I have to do this for U for the picks

1182
00:58:39,520 --> 00:58:42,960
Speaker 2: site on NFL dot Com. So yeah, nice. Uh. Anyway,

1183
00:58:43,000 --> 00:58:44,400
Speaker 2: before we get out of here, I should tell you

1184
00:58:44,400 --> 00:58:46,240
Speaker 2: that I am I'm not on the clock yet. I'm

1185
00:58:46,280 --> 00:58:48,360
Speaker 2: on deck for my second pick. Like I literally have

1186
00:58:48,400 --> 00:58:51,240
Speaker 2: only made one pick in the Skytfish Bowl. I got

1187
00:58:51,320 --> 00:58:55,360
Speaker 2: Lamar Jackson. Because it's pretty much just a bunch of

1188
00:58:55,360 --> 00:58:58,320
Speaker 2: flex spots. You don't have to start, you know, you

1189
00:58:58,440 --> 00:58:59,960
Speaker 2: just not like you have to start quarterback, running back,

1190
00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:02,120
Speaker 2: wide receiver. I do think I'm gonna go very wide

1191
00:59:02,160 --> 00:59:06,400
Speaker 2: receiver heavy on this roster. Some of the guys that

1192
00:59:06,440 --> 00:59:11,000
Speaker 2: are still available at wide receiver, I'm on Ross, Saint Brown,

1193
00:59:11,720 --> 00:59:17,200
Speaker 2: Brian Thomas, Miko Collins, Drake London, Lad McConkie, A J. Brown.

1194
00:59:17,760 --> 00:59:20,720
Speaker 2: Those guys are all still there right now, I like

1195
00:59:20,760 --> 00:59:23,200
Speaker 2: all but one of them, All but one of them

1196
00:59:23,200 --> 00:59:26,120
Speaker 2: will be available. When there's one person like that, I'm

1197
00:59:26,160 --> 00:59:28,560
Speaker 2: waiting for the pick. Uh. So, I mean it's all

1198
00:59:28,560 --> 00:59:30,320
Speaker 2: but one of those guys probably is gonna be available.

1199
00:59:30,320 --> 00:59:31,960
Speaker 2: I would think one of these receivers is going to go.

1200
00:59:32,720 --> 00:59:34,320
Speaker 2: But then I get to double tap. I'm going to

1201
00:59:34,400 --> 00:59:39,200
Speaker 2: double tap the position probably. You know, I'll say, Monra

1202
00:59:39,680 --> 00:59:42,800
Speaker 2: just might be a little over him in this format

1203
00:59:42,800 --> 00:59:45,120
Speaker 2: because of the two and a half per catch. Yeah

1204
00:59:45,280 --> 00:59:49,480
Speaker 2: see gotcha. So I honestly, I mean part of me

1205
00:59:49,560 --> 00:59:56,840
Speaker 2: is like if if ours is still there, So what I'm saying,

1206
00:59:56,880 --> 00:59:58,760
Speaker 2: I go, I just I just double up. You know,

1207
00:59:59,160 --> 01:00:01,640
Speaker 2: we get down with the and uh you know, we

1208
01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:05,280
Speaker 2: go Amra and Aj. If that's what it's there, If

1209
01:00:05,280 --> 01:00:08,000
Speaker 2: that's what's there, that'd be a really good start. Yeah, Well,

1210
01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:12,120
Speaker 2: i'd have Lamar potentially A'mnra and aj Brown in the

1211
01:00:12,120 --> 01:00:15,080
Speaker 2: first three rounds. Uh, I'd be very very happy with that.

1212
01:00:15,440 --> 01:00:17,400
Speaker 2: So we'll see to.

1213
01:00:17,320 --> 01:00:20,640
Speaker 3: Get Juwan Jennings and Brandon Ayuk and Ricky Pierson and

1214
01:00:20,680 --> 01:00:21,040
Speaker 3: all of.

1215
01:00:20,960 --> 01:00:22,680
Speaker 2: You know we didn't get must be to get into

1216
01:00:22,680 --> 01:00:25,120
Speaker 2: the fact that and I know Lakwan's gonna like pooh

1217
01:00:25,120 --> 01:00:28,520
Speaker 2: pooh this because he just refuses to like be objective. Well,

1218
01:00:28,560 --> 01:00:30,520
Speaker 2: I mean just because he refuses to be objective when

1219
01:00:30,520 --> 01:00:32,040
Speaker 2: it comes to like the rams in the forty nine

1220
01:00:32,120 --> 01:00:34,360
Speaker 2: or like you just physically cannot do that. I love

1221
01:00:34,440 --> 01:00:36,960
Speaker 2: Jordan Mason last year. What are we talking about because

1222
01:00:36,960 --> 01:00:40,120
Speaker 2: you hate it on Christian McCaffrey, Like it comes like

1223
01:00:40,160 --> 01:00:43,960
Speaker 2: that's what it is. It's not that Mason. You just

1224
01:00:44,000 --> 01:00:48,120
Speaker 2: wanted to dump on Christian McCaffrey. That's all. But we

1225
01:00:48,160 --> 01:00:49,560
Speaker 2: do need to talk in a few very in your

1226
01:00:49,560 --> 01:00:54,760
Speaker 2: future about how it does feel like Niners receivers are

1227
01:00:54,880 --> 01:00:58,880
Speaker 2: being undervalued right now from a fantasy perspective. Yeah, I

1228
01:00:58,920 --> 01:01:00,600
Speaker 2: think they are. I mean I just think I like

1229
01:01:00,680 --> 01:01:02,960
Speaker 2: the Brandon. I think I don't understand. I'll have you

1230
01:01:03,000 --> 01:01:04,960
Speaker 2: know again, that was part of my deep dive into

1231
01:01:05,040 --> 01:01:08,680
Speaker 2: these rumors, these trade rumors that were going around. I'm like,

1232
01:01:08,720 --> 01:01:10,920
Speaker 2: maybe I'm missing something. Maybe that's why the ADP is

1233
01:01:10,920 --> 01:01:12,800
Speaker 2: as well as it is. I just feel like something's weird.

1234
01:01:12,880 --> 01:01:17,800
Speaker 2: I don't really undertand the forty backup quarterback Mac Hutter

1235
01:01:17,960 --> 01:01:19,520
Speaker 2: j Mac Jones.

1236
01:01:19,560 --> 01:01:23,360
Speaker 3: That's right, because oh man, this is setting up perfectly

1237
01:01:24,080 --> 01:01:25,320
Speaker 3: for l Q to just.

1238
01:01:25,240 --> 01:01:28,320
Speaker 2: Be on the mac Jones trade again this year. I mean,

1239
01:01:29,600 --> 01:01:31,160
Speaker 2: I look, I mean that was the joke, right, Kyle

1240
01:01:31,160 --> 01:01:34,000
Speaker 2: Shanahan finally got mac Jones, you know, like if you believe,

1241
01:01:34,160 --> 01:01:37,400
Speaker 2: if you believe, he got bullied into taking Trey Lance

1242
01:01:37,400 --> 01:01:40,440
Speaker 2: and he wanted mac Jones. Now he finally got mac Jones,

1243
01:01:40,640 --> 01:01:48,040
Speaker 2: you know, two teams later. He man, hey, look y'all laugh, right,

1244
01:01:48,080 --> 01:01:50,520
Speaker 2: But like, look at what he did with Sam Darnold, Like, right,

1245
01:01:50,560 --> 01:01:54,240
Speaker 2: he Kyle Shanahan made Nick Mullins a thing for a

1246
01:01:54,280 --> 01:01:56,280
Speaker 2: few weeks, right, Like what you don't think you could

1247
01:01:56,280 --> 01:01:59,240
Speaker 2: do something with Michael McCorkle Jones if given design to

1248
01:01:59,280 --> 01:02:00,680
Speaker 2: work with him. I didn't he could.

1249
01:02:01,000 --> 01:02:03,200
Speaker 3: But I think LQ is gonna be driving that brock

1250
01:02:03,240 --> 01:02:06,520
Speaker 3: pretty hate by telling people to to stash back Joees,

1251
01:02:06,720 --> 01:02:10,080
Speaker 3: the waiver wire and stuff we need he made Team

1252
01:02:10,120 --> 01:02:11,200
Speaker 3: Mid look very mid.

1253
01:02:11,240 --> 01:02:15,360
Speaker 2: I'll tell you that, Kevin, can we do a thing.

1254
01:02:15,520 --> 01:02:18,320
Speaker 2: We just create like a flashing graphics so that whenever

1255
01:02:18,960 --> 01:02:22,000
Speaker 2: uh La Kwan says something bad about the forty nine,

1256
01:02:22,080 --> 01:02:25,120
Speaker 2: we just put up like you know, parental discretion or

1257
01:02:25,120 --> 01:02:27,800
Speaker 2: something like that, right, Like I think something just so

1258
01:02:27,960 --> 01:02:30,400
Speaker 2: folks sort of know what's happening here, So like we

1259
01:02:30,400 --> 01:02:32,240
Speaker 2: can just like you know, alert people, like all right,

1260
01:02:32,320 --> 01:02:34,760
Speaker 2: you know, maybe he has something or maybe this is

1261
01:02:34,800 --> 01:02:36,760
Speaker 2: just the kwand talking out of his backside again, Like

1262
01:02:36,800 --> 01:02:38,120
Speaker 2: we just have to make sure that people know.

1263
01:02:38,280 --> 01:02:41,160
Speaker 4: I like Juwan Jennings for Fantasy this year. He's undervalue

1264
01:02:41,200 --> 01:02:43,720
Speaker 4: for sure. He's the wide receiver one. I think Ricky

1265
01:02:43,760 --> 01:02:46,720
Speaker 4: Pearsall is a little overrated, but I see the vision

1266
01:02:46,760 --> 01:02:49,520
Speaker 4: of what he can be. This hasn't we haven't seen enough.

1267
01:02:49,520 --> 01:02:50,680
Speaker 4: That's that's just my stand.

1268
01:02:50,920 --> 01:02:53,000
Speaker 2: I seen enough. We should we should wait and do

1269
01:02:53,160 --> 01:02:55,200
Speaker 2: because like otherwise to spend the next other twenty minutes

1270
01:02:55,240 --> 01:02:59,120
Speaker 2: talking about this, so we're going to fight. We're already

1271
01:02:59,120 --> 01:03:01,240
Speaker 2: over to do this those show because I think I

1272
01:03:01,280 --> 01:03:03,120
Speaker 2: think there's a I actually do think there's a legitimate

1273
01:03:03,160 --> 01:03:06,600
Speaker 2: conversation that we had about this wide receiver room for sure. Sure.

1274
01:03:07,480 --> 01:03:08,720
Speaker 2: It was good to be back with you guys.

1275
01:03:09,040 --> 01:03:09,600
Speaker 3: A lot of fun.

1276
01:03:09,680 --> 01:03:12,000
Speaker 2: It was a lot of fun get back together, a

1277
01:03:12,000 --> 01:03:14,040
Speaker 2: lot to say. We had a lot to say because

1278
01:03:14,120 --> 01:03:16,600
Speaker 2: it's been a while. We're back with you on Thursday

1279
01:03:16,640 --> 01:03:19,240
Speaker 2: for another edition of the cheat Sheet. Have you guys

1280
01:03:19,240 --> 01:03:22,400
Speaker 2: watched Land of Bad yet? Not yet? Not yet? I

1281
01:03:22,560 --> 01:03:25,120
Speaker 2: totally forgot we had to watch it. Yeah, I really

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Speaker 2: right now. I remembered yesterday afternoon, I was like, oh crap,

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Speaker 2: we got a movie to watch. Yeah, Land of Bad

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Speaker 2: for the cheat Sheet coming up on Thursday. So we'll

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Speaker 2: be back with you live on our YouTube channel, So

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Speaker 2: set your notifications. You'll get a learned when we go

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Speaker 2: live there, so you can be ready for that. In

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Speaker 2: the meantime. Thanks to Gavin for sitting and listening to

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Speaker 2: us ramble for an hour and stuff. That was great.

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Speaker 2: That'll do it for this edition of the NFL Fantasy

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Speaker 2: Football Podcast. They happy, safe and healthy, do good and

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Speaker 2: live Well. It's good to be back with you guys.

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Speaker 2: We will see you again on Thursday.

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