1 00:00:13,920 --> 00:00:17,360 Speaker 1: The conversation you are about to jump into is one 2 00:00:17,400 --> 00:00:20,160 Speaker 1: of the best conversations I've had on this show in 3 00:00:20,239 --> 00:00:23,079 Speaker 1: this channel. Now, it's actually the longest. I think it's 4 00:00:23,120 --> 00:00:25,639 Speaker 1: like twice as long as like my average interview, and 5 00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:27,960 Speaker 1: that's because we go into some deep stuff. Now. I 6 00:00:28,040 --> 00:00:30,400 Speaker 1: know this might not be the typical content that I 7 00:00:30,440 --> 00:00:33,840 Speaker 1: put forth where I'm talking really specifically about financial stuff, 8 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:37,120 Speaker 1: but this is a bigger level picture and it's super 9 00:00:37,159 --> 00:00:39,440 Speaker 1: important for you to have. Uh, it's maybe one of 10 00:00:39,479 --> 00:00:41,640 Speaker 1: the most important ones that I would recommend that you 11 00:00:41,680 --> 00:00:44,279 Speaker 1: listen to. UM. It's what I learned a long time ago, 12 00:00:44,320 --> 00:00:47,440 Speaker 1: twenty five years ago from Robert Kiyosaki, and he said that, UM, 13 00:00:47,479 --> 00:00:50,400 Speaker 1: imagine a cup like a glass, and you have the 14 00:00:50,440 --> 00:00:53,800 Speaker 1: glass and you can put the contents inside the glasses 15 00:00:53,840 --> 00:00:56,640 Speaker 1: the context and what you put inside is the content. 16 00:00:57,000 --> 00:00:59,720 Speaker 1: And we don't Eventually we can't put any more continents. 17 00:00:59,760 --> 00:01:02,320 Speaker 1: We need more context. We need a bigger cup. And 18 00:01:02,360 --> 00:01:04,000 Speaker 1: that's exactly what I try to do on this channel. 19 00:01:04,040 --> 00:01:06,600 Speaker 1: And that's exactly what this interview does. So while it 20 00:01:06,680 --> 00:01:09,560 Speaker 1: might not be the most tactical information that you want today, 21 00:01:09,600 --> 00:01:12,240 Speaker 1: it is that important. It's the big picture stuff. It's 22 00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:14,560 Speaker 1: how you can change your thinking to change your life. 23 00:01:14,560 --> 00:01:17,440 Speaker 1: Of course, we do get into how to discern truth, 24 00:01:17,640 --> 00:01:20,720 Speaker 1: how to think through complex things to make them UM simple, 25 00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:22,360 Speaker 1: what I try to do all the time. We also 26 00:01:22,400 --> 00:01:25,720 Speaker 1: talk about UM, where the future is going, what are 27 00:01:25,720 --> 00:01:29,200 Speaker 1: the different systems that we have, UM, what can we do, 28 00:01:29,319 --> 00:01:31,120 Speaker 1: what is the hope that we have for the future, 29 00:01:31,400 --> 00:01:33,360 Speaker 1: And then ultimately asked him at the end to give 30 00:01:33,400 --> 00:01:35,399 Speaker 1: me his forecast for how this plays out over the 31 00:01:35,440 --> 00:01:37,919 Speaker 1: next decade. UM. This is a conversation that I really 32 00:01:37,920 --> 00:01:40,520 Speaker 1: really hope that you'll listen to. UM. It is available 33 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:43,520 Speaker 1: on podcast as well. Just go to search Market Disruptors 34 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:45,280 Speaker 1: podcast and you can listen to it because it is 35 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:47,680 Speaker 1: pretty long, but it's super important. So let's go ahead 36 00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:49,640 Speaker 1: and just jump right in. Hey, everyone, welcome to another 37 00:01:49,640 --> 00:01:52,320 Speaker 1: episode of the Market Disruptors Show. Today, I'm sitting down 38 00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:56,240 Speaker 1: with Alex Fetzki, and he is the CEO founder of Amber, 39 00:01:56,320 --> 00:01:59,640 Speaker 1: which is a bitcoin service. But more importantly, he is 40 00:01:59,760 --> 00:02:03,360 Speaker 1: a very very well UM he's a very well respected 41 00:02:03,400 --> 00:02:07,280 Speaker 1: thinker writer. He's been writing some amazing pieces that have 42 00:02:07,400 --> 00:02:09,120 Speaker 1: really caught my attention. I really want to dig into 43 00:02:09,160 --> 00:02:11,520 Speaker 1: these and discuss them. With everyone today. Um, he just 44 00:02:11,600 --> 00:02:14,519 Speaker 1: wrote a new piece the Bitcoin Times. I think it 45 00:02:14,600 --> 00:02:16,840 Speaker 1: just came out yesterday. I'm gonna link to it down below, 46 00:02:17,160 --> 00:02:19,000 Speaker 1: and I would advise everyone to go check that out 47 00:02:19,040 --> 00:02:20,920 Speaker 1: and read his work. So I'll link to it down below. 48 00:02:20,960 --> 00:02:24,440 Speaker 1: But Alex, welcome to the show. Mark, thank you very 49 00:02:24,520 --> 00:02:28,480 Speaker 1: much for sending me on men. I really appreciate it. Yeah. So, UM, 50 00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:30,560 Speaker 1: I'm obviously, like I said, I've been kind of following 51 00:02:30,600 --> 00:02:31,840 Speaker 1: the stuff that you've done. I think you kind of 52 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:34,280 Speaker 1: caught my eye about a year ago, and UM, you 53 00:02:34,320 --> 00:02:38,160 Speaker 1: talk a lot about breaking things down to their most 54 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:41,840 Speaker 1: basic truths, um, and so they're kind of easy to understand. 55 00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:44,000 Speaker 1: And then obviously you're kind of painting this future of 56 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:47,519 Speaker 1: where we might go and hopefully ways we can prevent that. 57 00:02:47,560 --> 00:02:49,160 Speaker 1: So that's what I want to kind of talk about today. 58 00:02:49,200 --> 00:02:52,120 Speaker 1: So for everybody that's listening, that's kind of where we're 59 00:02:52,120 --> 00:02:53,680 Speaker 1: gonna cover. But why don't you go ahead and just 60 00:02:53,840 --> 00:02:55,400 Speaker 1: uh give us a little bit of background on what 61 00:02:55,440 --> 00:02:57,640 Speaker 1: you're doing and and kind of what you're writing about 62 00:02:57,680 --> 00:03:01,240 Speaker 1: right now. Cool. So, So I think what you mentioned 63 00:03:01,280 --> 00:03:04,040 Speaker 1: there about breaking things down to like based truths is 64 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:06,520 Speaker 1: you know a lot of people. We've been sort of 65 00:03:06,520 --> 00:03:11,720 Speaker 1: brainwashed through what I call feat academia too, to sit 66 00:03:11,800 --> 00:03:15,040 Speaker 1: here and believe that we need a source for everything. 67 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:18,959 Speaker 1: You know that that truth is all relative, morality is relative, 68 00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:22,679 Speaker 1: and everything is relative, so there's no actual truth, and 69 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:25,600 Speaker 1: that you know, we need to do empirical kind of 70 00:03:25,800 --> 00:03:29,760 Speaker 1: testing for everything. Um you know, you see these academic 71 00:03:29,760 --> 00:03:31,680 Speaker 1: monkeys who are like you, do you have a source 72 00:03:31,720 --> 00:03:37,720 Speaker 1: for that? And it's just it's so ridiculous because there's 73 00:03:37,520 --> 00:03:41,320 Speaker 1: there's so much in life that like that are that 74 00:03:41,400 --> 00:03:44,040 Speaker 1: are praxeological truths or that are what what you know 75 00:03:44,200 --> 00:03:46,480 Speaker 1: is called and philosophy like a priori truths where you 76 00:03:46,480 --> 00:03:51,119 Speaker 1: don't need proof too to be able to deduce if 77 00:03:51,200 --> 00:03:53,680 Speaker 1: something makes sense or not. You can you can quickly 78 00:03:53,760 --> 00:03:58,720 Speaker 1: dismiss something without any evidence if you can find if 79 00:03:58,760 --> 00:04:01,520 Speaker 1: it's consistent with what's called an a priori truth, which 80 00:04:01,560 --> 00:04:04,320 Speaker 1: is true whether or not you test it, whether or 81 00:04:04,320 --> 00:04:07,520 Speaker 1: not you knew the answer, didn't know the answer. We 82 00:04:07,520 --> 00:04:10,320 Speaker 1: didn't even know the question beforehand. And like mathematics is 83 00:04:10,360 --> 00:04:12,440 Speaker 1: like an a priori science, it's you know, one plus 84 00:04:12,480 --> 00:04:16,080 Speaker 1: one equal to long before we figured it out. Um, So, 85 00:04:16,080 --> 00:04:18,160 Speaker 1: so that exists you know, and and other a priori 86 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:24,080 Speaker 1: truths of things like um, you know, like time moves forward, 87 00:04:24,160 --> 00:04:27,280 Speaker 1: you know, you can't move back. So something that happens later, 88 00:04:28,240 --> 00:04:30,960 Speaker 1: you know, is a consequence of something you know that 89 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:33,520 Speaker 1: happened before. So you know, we have directionality. So so's 90 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:36,359 Speaker 1: there's a bunch of things. Another good example would be, 91 00:04:36,920 --> 00:04:41,200 Speaker 1: you know, more of the same thing is worth more 92 00:04:42,040 --> 00:04:44,240 Speaker 1: then less of the same thing, so so so you 93 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:48,120 Speaker 1: don't have to you know that when we look at 94 00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:50,479 Speaker 1: ustrain economics and all this sorts of stuff, you know 95 00:04:50,520 --> 00:04:55,440 Speaker 1: that we can build these accurate theories where we can 96 00:04:55,480 --> 00:05:00,680 Speaker 1: predict what happens with certain interventions in an economy or 97 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:04,039 Speaker 1: in a system, not by having to empirically test it, 98 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:07,280 Speaker 1: because it's impossible to empirically test an economy because every 99 00:05:07,320 --> 00:05:10,200 Speaker 1: human being is different and every moment in time is different, 100 00:05:10,240 --> 00:05:12,119 Speaker 1: so you can't actually go back and apply any models 101 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:14,840 Speaker 1: to it. So what we do is we use praxeology, 102 00:05:14,880 --> 00:05:20,240 Speaker 1: which is a which is a non empirical science to say, 103 00:05:20,880 --> 00:05:25,080 Speaker 1: based on these sets of truths which you know, we 104 00:05:25,160 --> 00:05:27,640 Speaker 1: can deduce to their to their to their base level. 105 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:31,400 Speaker 1: If we do this, if we behave like X or 106 00:05:31,560 --> 00:05:35,080 Speaker 1: Y or z what direction will that lead us in 107 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:38,559 Speaker 1: or what consequences may that have? And the world seems 108 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:40,480 Speaker 1: to have lost this, Like the amount of people that 109 00:05:40,520 --> 00:05:43,479 Speaker 1: I've asked that a young these days that have gone 110 00:05:43,480 --> 00:05:45,520 Speaker 1: and studied economics at university and I say, have you 111 00:05:45,640 --> 00:05:47,760 Speaker 1: did you guys do a module on praxeology And they're like, 112 00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:53,160 Speaker 1: what's that? Yeah, like the most important, like I think, 113 00:05:53,160 --> 00:05:56,960 Speaker 1: the most important to sciences on the planet of praxeology 114 00:05:56,960 --> 00:05:59,960 Speaker 1: and math, and like, you know, people are not taught 115 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:01,599 Speaker 1: any of this crap anymore. So, you know, we're just 116 00:06:01,640 --> 00:06:06,480 Speaker 1: taught to regurgitate whatever crap is written by another person 117 00:06:06,520 --> 00:06:09,560 Speaker 1: who's regurgitating someone else's crap. And we've got we're just 118 00:06:09,640 --> 00:06:12,159 Speaker 1: referencing garbage on top of garbage and top garbage. And 119 00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:14,000 Speaker 1: we we live in a world now where there is 120 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:17,440 Speaker 1: an objective truth anymore. Everything is relative, um, and we 121 00:06:17,600 --> 00:06:20,200 Speaker 1: just you know, we're swimming in a sea of lives 122 00:06:20,240 --> 00:06:22,880 Speaker 1: and see a bullshit. So yeah, well it's coming back 123 00:06:22,920 --> 00:06:25,960 Speaker 1: to your original quote. There is like I try and 124 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:29,599 Speaker 1: break things down to these base truths, um, and we 125 00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:32,640 Speaker 1: can when we can start from there, we can you know, 126 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:37,880 Speaker 1: remain consistent and come up with ideas, concepts, rules, UM, 127 00:06:37,960 --> 00:06:42,400 Speaker 1: and we can observe how best to to live and 128 00:06:42,440 --> 00:06:46,560 Speaker 1: to cooperate and to act as human beings. UM. I 129 00:06:46,600 --> 00:06:49,960 Speaker 1: just think that's missing. Yeah, that that that was great. Now. 130 00:06:49,960 --> 00:06:52,080 Speaker 1: I know a lot of people might hear that and go, WHOA, 131 00:06:52,200 --> 00:06:54,400 Speaker 1: that was kind of deep. I'm not exactly sure what 132 00:06:53,960 --> 00:06:56,200 Speaker 1: what that means until we're gonna dig into that. But 133 00:06:56,279 --> 00:06:58,800 Speaker 1: just for everybody listening, I want to really talk about 134 00:06:59,200 --> 00:07:02,880 Speaker 1: where UM, because we have these problems today where we're 135 00:07:02,920 --> 00:07:05,440 Speaker 1: headed because of that UM. Talk about this kind of 136 00:07:05,760 --> 00:07:08,720 Speaker 1: totalitarian UM nightmare that we're kind of starting to have 137 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:10,760 Speaker 1: where the Nation States are just having all this power, 138 00:07:10,960 --> 00:07:13,679 Speaker 1: and then what we can do today to protect ourselves 139 00:07:13,720 --> 00:07:16,560 Speaker 1: and then change that. So make sure if you're listening, 140 00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:18,640 Speaker 1: you're gonna stick around for that because it's gonna get good. 141 00:07:18,680 --> 00:07:20,680 Speaker 1: But before we do what I want to what I 142 00:07:20,720 --> 00:07:24,880 Speaker 1: wanna do is just you've just mentioned that people have 143 00:07:24,960 --> 00:07:28,000 Speaker 1: lost this ability to break that down, and so I 144 00:07:28,080 --> 00:07:30,160 Speaker 1: also see the same thing where people can't think on 145 00:07:30,200 --> 00:07:33,360 Speaker 1: their own, and so maybe we could just talk through 146 00:07:33,520 --> 00:07:36,640 Speaker 1: how people could actually change that. Obviously not sending people 147 00:07:36,640 --> 00:07:39,000 Speaker 1: back to UM University, but I think you could give 148 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:42,120 Speaker 1: us some basic tips of how people could start to 149 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:45,080 Speaker 1: find truth and how they could start thinking. So if 150 00:07:45,080 --> 00:07:47,040 Speaker 1: we can start with that and give people some ways 151 00:07:47,080 --> 00:07:49,400 Speaker 1: to think clearly and have some truth, then we can 152 00:07:49,440 --> 00:07:50,840 Speaker 1: show them where the world is going and how we 153 00:07:50,840 --> 00:07:54,400 Speaker 1: can solve it. Maybe. So what do you think about that, Like, 154 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:57,120 Speaker 1: how can people think more critically and find that truth? 155 00:07:58,240 --> 00:08:02,280 Speaker 1: I think one of the the word that comes to 156 00:08:02,320 --> 00:08:05,520 Speaker 1: mind for me at the moment is responsibility. And I 157 00:08:05,560 --> 00:08:07,960 Speaker 1: think one of the things we're taught in today's day 158 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:14,360 Speaker 1: and age is this this kind of palming off of 159 00:08:14,360 --> 00:08:17,240 Speaker 1: our responsibility or our personal agency. We kind of give 160 00:08:17,240 --> 00:08:19,520 Speaker 1: it to someone else to make decisions for us all 161 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:23,200 Speaker 1: the time. It's like, you know, instead of pursuing what 162 00:08:23,240 --> 00:08:26,080 Speaker 1: you want to learn your you know, you when you're 163 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:32,679 Speaker 1: at your most you know, individualist and curious and spongy 164 00:08:32,760 --> 00:08:36,480 Speaker 1: as a child, you're dumped into basically a sausage machine 165 00:08:36,559 --> 00:08:40,760 Speaker 1: of a state indoctrination system which is called schooling, and 166 00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:44,120 Speaker 1: you have all your individually individuality bashed out of you 167 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:47,080 Speaker 1: for twelve years um and you're all taught the same 168 00:08:47,080 --> 00:08:49,480 Speaker 1: ship as everyone else. And you know, you come out 169 00:08:49,480 --> 00:08:51,360 Speaker 1: on the other end, and of course you can't think 170 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:53,360 Speaker 1: for yourself because you didn't choose at any point in 171 00:08:53,400 --> 00:08:56,920 Speaker 1: time what you wanted to pursue. There was no natural 172 00:08:56,960 --> 00:09:00,280 Speaker 1: inclination towards a particular thing. You know. It's it's very 173 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:04,959 Speaker 1: rare that, you know, parents are wise or intelligent enough 174 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:07,840 Speaker 1: to sort of give the room for their children to 175 00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:11,240 Speaker 1: sort of move into things that they want to take 176 00:09:11,280 --> 00:09:14,839 Speaker 1: responsibility towards pursuing. And you know when, I mean, it's 177 00:09:14,880 --> 00:09:17,360 Speaker 1: really evident when you look at people like Gilla Musk 178 00:09:17,400 --> 00:09:18,600 Speaker 1: and all that sort of stuff, you look at their 179 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:20,679 Speaker 1: younger years and what their parents were like and how 180 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:24,480 Speaker 1: they helped nurture their own individuality. They are the people 181 00:09:24,520 --> 00:09:26,960 Speaker 1: who are changing the world, not the ones who just 182 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:30,280 Speaker 1: became drones going through school. So like, and to that 183 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:32,320 Speaker 1: point real quick, it's also interesting to see that a 184 00:09:32,360 --> 00:09:35,560 Speaker 1: lot of the people that you mentioned are actual college dropouts. 185 00:09:35,559 --> 00:09:37,400 Speaker 1: They actually didn't go all the way through college and 186 00:09:37,400 --> 00:09:41,000 Speaker 1: get droned even more correct correct. So, like, I think 187 00:09:41,600 --> 00:09:45,439 Speaker 1: individual responsibility is such an important thing. Like I mean, 188 00:09:45,440 --> 00:09:49,000 Speaker 1: I call Bitcoin the renaissance of responsibility because everything it does, 189 00:09:49,240 --> 00:09:51,959 Speaker 1: it like it puts the individual back at the locus 190 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:54,480 Speaker 1: of the decision making point. So if we look at 191 00:09:54,480 --> 00:09:59,240 Speaker 1: the way the world structured today is monetary decisions are 192 00:09:59,280 --> 00:10:06,280 Speaker 1: made by at you, by someone else, you know, political decisions, war, medical, 193 00:10:06,679 --> 00:10:09,199 Speaker 1: Who you should hang out like, I mean, particularly twenties, 194 00:10:09,240 --> 00:10:10,760 Speaker 1: fucking wild. You know, you're not allowed to hang out 195 00:10:10,800 --> 00:10:13,319 Speaker 1: with anyone. You're not allowed to choose what's healthy for 196 00:10:13,480 --> 00:10:15,560 Speaker 1: you or not. You're not allowed to train, you know, 197 00:10:15,640 --> 00:10:18,240 Speaker 1: You're you're told who, how many people you can see, 198 00:10:18,240 --> 00:10:20,400 Speaker 1: You're told who you can spend time with. Like it's 199 00:10:21,080 --> 00:10:26,440 Speaker 1: everything that defines an individual as a human being is 200 00:10:26,480 --> 00:10:29,600 Speaker 1: being stripped. All of your personal agency with personal responsibilities 201 00:10:29,640 --> 00:10:32,120 Speaker 1: taken away from you. And it's it's wild. Because I 202 00:10:32,160 --> 00:10:34,760 Speaker 1: had to chat with this this girl that I was 203 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:38,080 Speaker 1: sort of seeing a little while back, and she was 204 00:10:38,120 --> 00:10:41,520 Speaker 1: talking about how recently, you know, she's been reading books 205 00:10:41,559 --> 00:10:46,360 Speaker 1: about how, you know, setting intention and it's a bit woo, 206 00:10:46,400 --> 00:10:48,480 Speaker 1: you know, like I used to be in this into 207 00:10:48,520 --> 00:10:50,679 Speaker 1: that whole you know, setting intentions of the universe is 208 00:10:50,679 --> 00:10:52,360 Speaker 1: going to bring you all this stuff. You know, I 209 00:10:52,400 --> 00:10:54,120 Speaker 1: don't buy into a lot of that crap anymore. But 210 00:10:55,040 --> 00:10:56,960 Speaker 1: she's sort of going on her journey, and I understand 211 00:10:57,000 --> 00:10:59,480 Speaker 1: the journey she's got to go through. But what's important 212 00:10:59,520 --> 00:11:01,840 Speaker 1: about that only is a lot of that woo stuff 213 00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:05,480 Speaker 1: kind of the the essence of what it teaches where 214 00:11:05,520 --> 00:11:08,120 Speaker 1: there's some truth is this idea that it brings you 215 00:11:08,160 --> 00:11:12,600 Speaker 1: back at cause in terms of the decisions you're making 216 00:11:12,640 --> 00:11:15,640 Speaker 1: in life, and you as the manifesto of your life 217 00:11:15,760 --> 00:11:19,000 Speaker 1: in some way, shape or form, uh in you know, 218 00:11:19,120 --> 00:11:22,000 Speaker 1: some way responsible and are in more control of your life. 219 00:11:22,040 --> 00:11:24,079 Speaker 1: And I was asking because she said I feel much 220 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:26,120 Speaker 1: better since I started thinking this way and doing this, 221 00:11:26,600 --> 00:11:29,040 Speaker 1: and I inquired, I was like why, It's just like 222 00:11:29,520 --> 00:11:31,200 Speaker 1: I don't really know, and then I sort of helped 223 00:11:31,200 --> 00:11:34,160 Speaker 1: her extract the y and the wire is because when 224 00:11:34,160 --> 00:11:39,880 Speaker 1: you're responsible for yourself, you're truly free, like response like 225 00:11:40,080 --> 00:11:43,280 Speaker 1: freedom can only come from responsibility. When you give up 226 00:11:43,280 --> 00:11:46,640 Speaker 1: your responsibility to someone else and you give your ability 227 00:11:46,679 --> 00:11:48,760 Speaker 1: to choose, which I believe is your only human right, 228 00:11:50,240 --> 00:11:54,240 Speaker 1: you diminish your own freedom, You make your your world smaller, you, 229 00:11:54,240 --> 00:11:58,080 Speaker 1: you close up your circle of influence or your you know, 230 00:11:58,120 --> 00:12:00,920 Speaker 1: your your comfort zone, and you become less of a human. 231 00:12:01,040 --> 00:12:03,040 Speaker 1: So so it destroys you from within. So I think 232 00:12:03,280 --> 00:12:07,160 Speaker 1: for people to start thinking for themselves, I think they 233 00:12:07,160 --> 00:12:11,200 Speaker 1: need to take more responsibility across different elements, and just 234 00:12:11,280 --> 00:12:17,480 Speaker 1: stop listening to what some institution like especially stop listening 235 00:12:17,480 --> 00:12:21,120 Speaker 1: to fucking the news the experts. As soon as you 236 00:12:21,160 --> 00:12:24,840 Speaker 1: see hear the word expert, run in the opposite direction, 237 00:12:24,920 --> 00:12:29,040 Speaker 1: like run for your life or academics or intelligency or 238 00:12:29,040 --> 00:12:32,320 Speaker 1: any of that sort of crap. Like find people who 239 00:12:32,679 --> 00:12:37,640 Speaker 1: live what they talk or live what they preach um, 240 00:12:38,160 --> 00:12:41,480 Speaker 1: you know, discover what their principles start and then apply 241 00:12:41,600 --> 00:12:44,079 Speaker 1: those principles, Like look for the same type of principle 242 00:12:44,160 --> 00:12:46,920 Speaker 1: across different areas and then apply it to your own life. 243 00:12:46,920 --> 00:12:49,679 Speaker 1: And take responsibility from the decisions, Like that's how we 244 00:12:49,840 --> 00:12:53,680 Speaker 1: become better human beings, not by giving our decision making 245 00:12:53,679 --> 00:12:56,320 Speaker 1: powers away to others. Yeah, that's a great point, and 246 00:12:56,360 --> 00:12:59,600 Speaker 1: it does really start with that responsibility. And to your point, 247 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:01,880 Speaker 1: the program she went through or some of the stuff 248 00:13:01,920 --> 00:13:04,680 Speaker 1: you were into, and I've been through lots of personal development. 249 00:13:04,679 --> 00:13:06,040 Speaker 1: I think a lot of us are always trying to 250 00:13:06,040 --> 00:13:09,960 Speaker 1: be better person, a better person, but they always talk about, hey, uh, 251 00:13:10,120 --> 00:13:12,400 Speaker 1: you are not a victim right your past. You can't 252 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:15,280 Speaker 1: change your past, but you can change your future. And 253 00:13:15,320 --> 00:13:20,280 Speaker 1: it all starts with taking responsibility today to make the future, 254 00:13:20,360 --> 00:13:22,199 Speaker 1: what you want to be versus what the world is 255 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:25,400 Speaker 1: telling you is it's not your fault you're overweight, you 256 00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:27,760 Speaker 1: can't help it. It's not your fault that you're poor. 257 00:13:27,800 --> 00:13:30,199 Speaker 1: And that's what we really see, especially today with politics, 258 00:13:30,600 --> 00:13:33,520 Speaker 1: is you can't get ahead because you're a minority, you 259 00:13:33,559 --> 00:13:35,559 Speaker 1: can't get ahead because you're a woman, you can't get 260 00:13:35,559 --> 00:13:37,400 Speaker 1: ahead because of your sexual preference. And so if they 261 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:41,120 Speaker 1: can make you that victim mentality, then you need that savior. 262 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:44,640 Speaker 1: But really we're not victims. We take responsibility. So I 263 00:13:44,640 --> 00:13:47,559 Speaker 1: love I love that approach absolutely. Yeah. I think I 264 00:13:47,600 --> 00:13:50,520 Speaker 1: think the victimization, like I call it, we live in 265 00:13:50,559 --> 00:13:53,520 Speaker 1: a world of oppression. Olympics, you know, everyone is arguing 266 00:13:53,520 --> 00:13:56,040 Speaker 1: about who the fok is more impressed. You know, I'm sorry, 267 00:13:56,080 --> 00:13:59,080 Speaker 1: not impressed, oppressed. So it's like I'm oppressed because I 268 00:13:59,080 --> 00:14:01,400 Speaker 1: have brown skin. Well I'm oppressed because i have black skin. 269 00:14:01,440 --> 00:14:03,000 Speaker 1: Well I'm oppressed because I'm a woman and i have 270 00:14:03,040 --> 00:14:05,000 Speaker 1: black skin. I'm oppressed because I'm a woman, i have 271 00:14:05,040 --> 00:14:07,000 Speaker 1: black skin, I'm a single mom. It's like, well, I'm 272 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:09,160 Speaker 1: more oppressed than you because I have you know, i'm 273 00:14:09,160 --> 00:14:11,000 Speaker 1: a woman, i have black skin, I'm a single mom 274 00:14:11,040 --> 00:14:14,000 Speaker 1: and my kids retarded. It's like we're going to keep 275 00:14:14,080 --> 00:14:17,679 Speaker 1: like arguing about who which minority is more oppressed until 276 00:14:17,679 --> 00:14:21,560 Speaker 1: we get down to like the individual anyway. And it's like, 277 00:14:23,240 --> 00:14:25,080 Speaker 1: you know that this is what we've been talking about 278 00:14:25,080 --> 00:14:28,720 Speaker 1: from the beginning. It's like the individual is the core 279 00:14:28,880 --> 00:14:30,720 Speaker 1: unit and at the end of the day that there 280 00:14:30,840 --> 00:14:34,160 Speaker 1: is no one like we can't you can't live in 281 00:14:34,200 --> 00:14:40,040 Speaker 1: a society where you know, one group because they argue 282 00:14:40,680 --> 00:14:44,040 Speaker 1: more oppressed than others, get some fucking benefit. It's like, 283 00:14:44,440 --> 00:14:48,680 Speaker 1: get rid of all of that and put the responsibility 284 00:14:48,760 --> 00:14:51,600 Speaker 1: in the individual's hands to do something about it. And 285 00:14:51,600 --> 00:14:56,440 Speaker 1: then you know, you have a bottom up approach to change, 286 00:14:56,480 --> 00:14:59,640 Speaker 1: as opposed to this decree top down kind of approach, 287 00:14:59,720 --> 00:15:04,440 Speaker 1: which assume that everyone is a poll victim, is some loser, um, 288 00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:06,840 Speaker 1: and at the end of the day, some poll group 289 00:15:07,840 --> 00:15:11,520 Speaker 1: has to pay for you know, the redistribution to everybody else, 290 00:15:11,840 --> 00:15:15,080 Speaker 1: and you know that group has changed over time. But 291 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:17,880 Speaker 1: it's yeah, it's it's it's sickening, man. So the first 292 00:15:17,880 --> 00:15:20,640 Speaker 1: step is that people have to take responsibility for themselves, 293 00:15:20,800 --> 00:15:23,640 Speaker 1: and somehow we need to convince people that they need 294 00:15:23,640 --> 00:15:26,920 Speaker 1: to do that. UM. And I think. Henry Ford said 295 00:15:26,920 --> 00:15:29,400 Speaker 1: that thinking is hard work. That's why so few people 296 00:15:29,600 --> 00:15:32,520 Speaker 1: do it. Do it. And if you understand your body, 297 00:15:32,560 --> 00:15:35,800 Speaker 1: actually thinking requires a ton of energy, and so your 298 00:15:35,800 --> 00:15:38,120 Speaker 1: body doesn't even like to think. Your body wants to 299 00:15:38,120 --> 00:15:40,600 Speaker 1: turn everything into habits, right, so it can go through 300 00:15:40,640 --> 00:15:42,920 Speaker 1: these motions without thinking. So it's almost like this human 301 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:46,240 Speaker 1: nature is to not think, um because it uses too 302 00:15:46,280 --> 00:15:48,120 Speaker 1: much energy. So we kind of have to force ourselves 303 00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:50,480 Speaker 1: to do that. But but it's super important to do. 304 00:15:50,560 --> 00:15:53,080 Speaker 1: Now if someone wants to take the responsibility and now 305 00:15:53,080 --> 00:15:56,040 Speaker 1: they're getting this information and they're seeing experts telling them 306 00:15:56,040 --> 00:15:58,800 Speaker 1: this thing or that thing, is there some principles that 307 00:15:58,840 --> 00:16:01,840 Speaker 1: you have that could decipher that that could help them 308 00:16:01,840 --> 00:16:04,520 Speaker 1: think about that critically, How they could break that down 309 00:16:04,640 --> 00:16:09,520 Speaker 1: or something? Mm hmm. I think you were going into 310 00:16:09,560 --> 00:16:12,280 Speaker 1: an example before we started talking about like the different 311 00:16:12,360 --> 00:16:14,400 Speaker 1: layers of thinking, kind of like on the table is 312 00:16:14,480 --> 00:16:16,680 Speaker 1: kind of that what we were talking about. Yeah, okay, 313 00:16:16,720 --> 00:16:20,120 Speaker 1: so so let's let's do two things here. UM, I'll 314 00:16:20,120 --> 00:16:23,040 Speaker 1: talk about this concept called the table of truth, but 315 00:16:23,080 --> 00:16:25,640 Speaker 1: then I'll also talk about this, UM, I'll talk about 316 00:16:25,680 --> 00:16:30,920 Speaker 1: isolation versus holistic Isolated thinking versus holistic thinking. So what 317 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:36,000 Speaker 1: you find when you're pursuing the truth, I guess is 318 00:16:36,600 --> 00:16:40,800 Speaker 1: you'll you'll find a lot of experts and central planet 319 00:16:40,880 --> 00:16:46,360 Speaker 1: type intelligencia, you know, academia, bureaucratic morons. They always think 320 00:16:46,520 --> 00:16:53,800 Speaker 1: in terms of isolated components and surgically fixing an isolated 321 00:16:53,840 --> 00:17:00,000 Speaker 1: component without the ramifications. It's got to the whole, right So, uh, 322 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:04,480 Speaker 1: you know, a good example of that is um, I mean, 323 00:17:04,640 --> 00:17:06,520 Speaker 1: a vaccine is a good example of that. You know, 324 00:17:06,960 --> 00:17:09,320 Speaker 1: let's let's you know, let's just assume that Corona is 325 00:17:09,359 --> 00:17:11,400 Speaker 1: real and all that sort of stuff, or that it's 326 00:17:11,400 --> 00:17:15,280 Speaker 1: a big threat, right, um, by rushing in or actually 327 00:17:15,280 --> 00:17:17,680 Speaker 1: the lockdowns is probably a better example, by rushing in 328 00:17:17,800 --> 00:17:21,040 Speaker 1: and closing down all the businesses. They think that they 329 00:17:21,080 --> 00:17:24,760 Speaker 1: can solve this problem in isolation, but what they do 330 00:17:24,880 --> 00:17:29,000 Speaker 1: is they create a thousand other problems because the whole 331 00:17:29,080 --> 00:17:32,800 Speaker 1: system is holistic, and the more we funk with one part, 332 00:17:33,240 --> 00:17:36,760 Speaker 1: the more we create these reverberations that spread out throughout 333 00:17:36,760 --> 00:17:39,240 Speaker 1: the rest of the system for the system to find 334 00:17:39,320 --> 00:17:42,800 Speaker 1: some sort of equilibrium, because you can't deal with things 335 00:17:42,800 --> 00:17:45,960 Speaker 1: in isolation. And then this is one of the Keynsian problems, 336 00:17:46,080 --> 00:17:48,160 Speaker 1: is they think that, Okay, if we print money here, 337 00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:50,399 Speaker 1: we're going to somehow solve the problem. But then they 338 00:17:50,440 --> 00:17:54,160 Speaker 1: create another hundred problems. And it's funny. I learned this 339 00:17:54,320 --> 00:17:57,880 Speaker 1: lesson viscerally when I was I did start driving when 340 00:17:57,920 --> 00:18:00,400 Speaker 1: I was five years old, and one of the things 341 00:18:00,440 --> 00:18:05,280 Speaker 1: I learned was when a car is losing control, So 342 00:18:05,359 --> 00:18:08,240 Speaker 1: we would be, you know, driving, and then the teacher 343 00:18:08,280 --> 00:18:11,240 Speaker 1: out of nowhere would grab the steering wheel and just 344 00:18:11,920 --> 00:18:14,840 Speaker 1: pull it, so the car would just lose control. And 345 00:18:15,480 --> 00:18:18,080 Speaker 1: if you wanted to suck yourself up and flip the 346 00:18:18,080 --> 00:18:20,840 Speaker 1: car over, you would grab the steering wheel and try 347 00:18:20,880 --> 00:18:23,359 Speaker 1: and get control. If you wanted to live and not 348 00:18:23,440 --> 00:18:26,640 Speaker 1: flip the car over, you let go and the car 349 00:18:26,760 --> 00:18:29,320 Speaker 1: finds its own balance. So if you're so, I mean, 350 00:18:29,400 --> 00:18:31,879 Speaker 1: if anyone's listening to this and they ever losing control 351 00:18:31,880 --> 00:18:33,760 Speaker 1: in a car, you let go of the steering wheel. 352 00:18:33,960 --> 00:18:35,400 Speaker 1: You do not touch the break, you do not touch 353 00:18:35,480 --> 00:18:37,720 Speaker 1: the acceleraty just let go and the car will find 354 00:18:37,760 --> 00:18:40,480 Speaker 1: its own natural equilibrium. So it's it's a it's a 355 00:18:40,520 --> 00:18:45,600 Speaker 1: really interesting um example of any complex system like biology 356 00:18:45,640 --> 00:18:47,520 Speaker 1: is the same way. It's like you know, we we 357 00:18:47,520 --> 00:18:49,960 Speaker 1: we think like you know, when we're looking at healing 358 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:52,280 Speaker 1: cancer or healing some problem. We go in and we 359 00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:56,600 Speaker 1: bombard this one problem with drugs or you know, chemo 360 00:18:56,760 --> 00:18:59,280 Speaker 1: or this or that, and we think we've eradicated it, 361 00:19:00,040 --> 00:19:02,560 Speaker 1: and then what we find is we've created another ten problems, 362 00:19:03,080 --> 00:19:05,119 Speaker 1: and we'll go where did those come from? Oh, well, 363 00:19:05,240 --> 00:19:06,760 Speaker 1: you know, let's hit this one. Let's hit and then 364 00:19:06,800 --> 00:19:11,880 Speaker 1: we we make the thing worse. So I always look 365 00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:13,800 Speaker 1: at when I'm when I'm looking for truth, is is 366 00:19:13,840 --> 00:19:16,800 Speaker 1: this person talking about dealing with an issue or something 367 00:19:16,840 --> 00:19:20,520 Speaker 1: like in pure isolation without thinking about the consequences to 368 00:19:20,560 --> 00:19:23,639 Speaker 1: the whole, or are they approaching it in a holistic manner? 369 00:19:23,680 --> 00:19:27,120 Speaker 1: So that's one good filter. The other one is this 370 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:28,800 Speaker 1: is this table of truth? And this is something I 371 00:19:28,800 --> 00:19:31,320 Speaker 1: think people can apply to just about anything in life. 372 00:19:31,480 --> 00:19:36,640 Speaker 1: Is I I'm going to write about it extensively in 373 00:19:36,760 --> 00:19:38,680 Speaker 1: a book that I might publish next year or the 374 00:19:38,760 --> 00:19:41,240 Speaker 1: year after, whenever I get some god down time. But basically, 375 00:19:41,280 --> 00:19:46,960 Speaker 1: the concept I'm calling the table of truth. And basically 376 00:19:48,520 --> 00:19:50,199 Speaker 1: the reason I pulled at a table is that you know, 377 00:19:50,280 --> 00:19:53,200 Speaker 1: there's this four legs of objective truth and then this 378 00:19:53,359 --> 00:19:57,280 Speaker 1: sort of table of subjective reality. Now it's a working title, 379 00:19:57,359 --> 00:20:01,680 Speaker 1: to bear with me. But effectively we've got leg Number 380 00:20:01,720 --> 00:20:05,879 Speaker 1: one is we exist. You know, we live. We're born 381 00:20:06,040 --> 00:20:10,920 Speaker 1: in a world of finite material resources. We can't create 382 00:20:11,080 --> 00:20:12,400 Speaker 1: it out of their end of like this, So we've 383 00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:16,119 Speaker 1: got finite resources. We also live in a world. So 384 00:20:16,160 --> 00:20:21,320 Speaker 1: the second leg is time that is fixed and finite. Um. 385 00:20:21,359 --> 00:20:23,280 Speaker 1: You know that that's you know, we can't print more time, 386 00:20:23,320 --> 00:20:26,040 Speaker 1: we can't go to get more time. Um. We also 387 00:20:26,119 --> 00:20:29,320 Speaker 1: live in a world where energy is fixed and finite. 388 00:20:29,359 --> 00:20:32,159 Speaker 1: We can't create energy out of nothing. Um. You know, 389 00:20:32,240 --> 00:20:36,080 Speaker 1: the perpetual energy machine doesn't exist, perpetual motion you know, 390 00:20:36,119 --> 00:20:39,560 Speaker 1: we we can only transform energy and use it. Um. 391 00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:43,159 Speaker 1: And then fourth is so there's the fourth objective truth 392 00:20:43,320 --> 00:20:45,359 Speaker 1: that these are these are truths that cannot be changed. 393 00:20:45,359 --> 00:20:47,080 Speaker 1: That these are what I would call a priority truth. 394 00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:52,399 Speaker 1: The fourth one is that time moves directionally forward. We 395 00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:55,760 Speaker 1: can't move it backwards. Um. And as a result, that 396 00:20:55,800 --> 00:20:59,879 Speaker 1: means the future is always unknown or uncertain. None of 397 00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:01,840 Speaker 1: us have a crystal ball. We can't tell the future 398 00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:05,880 Speaker 1: by the very nature of times directionality. So we've got 399 00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:10,000 Speaker 1: these four objective truths. And in the table top of reality, 400 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:14,240 Speaker 1: I call is we are all unique individuals, and we 401 00:21:14,359 --> 00:21:20,440 Speaker 1: all value everything subjectively. You might value black shirts more 402 00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:23,200 Speaker 1: than I value you know, black shirts. I might value 403 00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:25,800 Speaker 1: green shirts more, you know, like water, coke, food. This 404 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:29,680 Speaker 1: that we are all fundamentally unique. So when you wrap 405 00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:34,400 Speaker 1: sort of these four objective truths in in this subjective reality, 406 00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:42,159 Speaker 1: this these false notions that we get fed like, you know, 407 00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:46,480 Speaker 1: these utopian ideals of peace on earth, or you know 408 00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:49,840 Speaker 1: that there will never be arguments, or we can remove conflict, 409 00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:54,439 Speaker 1: you know, everyone will be happy. We should you know, 410 00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:58,000 Speaker 1: problems you know are bad, you know we should remove 411 00:21:58,080 --> 00:22:01,919 Speaker 1: Like all of these stupidities. You find that they're not 412 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:05,000 Speaker 1: consistent with this table of truth because if we're all 413 00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:09,760 Speaker 1: subjective and we have finite resources, finite time, uncertainty, and 414 00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:12,560 Speaker 1: finite energy, there is always going to be conflict. There's 415 00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:15,840 Speaker 1: always gonna be problems, there is always going to be disagreements, 416 00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:18,159 Speaker 1: there is always going to be friction. That that is life. 417 00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:22,520 Speaker 1: But how life manages all of that is by um 418 00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:28,760 Speaker 1: by two functions, either cooperating and resolving and coming up 419 00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:31,959 Speaker 1: with a better quality of problems, so sort of moving up, 420 00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:37,480 Speaker 1: or you know, thieving and taking and creating a tragedy 421 00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:40,080 Speaker 1: of the commons. And that's sort of the two directions 422 00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:41,600 Speaker 1: that we can go and and one of them is 423 00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:44,720 Speaker 1: compatible with life, the other one is incompatible with life. 424 00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:47,440 Speaker 1: You know. One of them is compatible with the truths 425 00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:50,199 Speaker 1: of these objective truths and the subjective reality, and one 426 00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:53,399 Speaker 1: of them is incompatible. It chooses to ignore those and 427 00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:54,760 Speaker 1: and that's sort of where we are today, is like 428 00:22:54,800 --> 00:23:00,760 Speaker 1: we're ignoring these realities. Um, and we're trying to uh, 429 00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:04,679 Speaker 1: shouldn't listen to experts and politicians and bureaucrats and academics 430 00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:08,040 Speaker 1: that try and say, look, you know, we, you know, 431 00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:12,240 Speaker 1: are powerful enough as individuals to eradicate you know, every sickness. 432 00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:14,479 Speaker 1: And it's like, no, you're fucking not, like you know, 433 00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:18,200 Speaker 1: when we're not. It's such a it's such an arrogant 434 00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:22,879 Speaker 1: standpoint to to try and um yeah, yeah, just to 435 00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:26,280 Speaker 1: try and dismiss these these realities. So yeah, yeah, I 436 00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:29,720 Speaker 1: love I love I love that. That's that's thinking of 437 00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:32,040 Speaker 1: of a system and and really I was just thinking 438 00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:34,439 Speaker 1: of like our modern medicine that we have today right 439 00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:36,720 Speaker 1: where they want to just treat that one thing in 440 00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:39,399 Speaker 1: your body without thinking of your body as a system. 441 00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:42,160 Speaker 1: And then there are you know, holistic or or functional 442 00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:46,120 Speaker 1: medicine doctors who do take that into consideration. But it's like, oh, 443 00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:49,280 Speaker 1: you're depressed, maybe you have a pros act deficiency. That's 444 00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:51,959 Speaker 1: probably what your problem is. You have a pros act deficiency, right, 445 00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:54,840 Speaker 1: instead of like thinking about like what what's your diet, 446 00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:57,000 Speaker 1: what's your exercise? What are you focusing on what you like? 447 00:23:57,000 --> 00:23:59,159 Speaker 1: There's all these other things. So that's a good way 448 00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:00,520 Speaker 1: to think about that. But I and then I guess 449 00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:02,760 Speaker 1: if I also summed up, what you're saying is that 450 00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:07,119 Speaker 1: everything has trade offs, right. And I see this because 451 00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:10,960 Speaker 1: I mean, between my videos and everything, I five thousand 452 00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:13,360 Speaker 1: comments a week that I go through, so I really 453 00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:15,720 Speaker 1: kind of gauge what people are seeing. And that's the 454 00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:17,560 Speaker 1: one thing that I see is they think everything is 455 00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:20,240 Speaker 1: like this or that, and they don't understand the trade 456 00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:23,400 Speaker 1: offs that are there. Um And so I guess what 457 00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:26,479 Speaker 1: you're saying is if people can understand that you need 458 00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:28,600 Speaker 1: to think of things as a system, not an isolation, 459 00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:32,200 Speaker 1: and then also understand that each decision has a trade off, 460 00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:34,760 Speaker 1: or at least be better equipped to deal with information 461 00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:37,439 Speaker 1: that's coming at them. Absolutely, And I think you just 462 00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:42,440 Speaker 1: probably nailed the Like a third model for for for deciphering, 463 00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:45,679 Speaker 1: you know, or calling bullshit over truth, you know, for 464 00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:48,760 Speaker 1: people is look at what people saying is if they 465 00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:51,440 Speaker 1: if they're talking me about these panaceas or these utopias 466 00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:53,119 Speaker 1: or these end states or these you know, ways to 467 00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:56,680 Speaker 1: fix everything, you know, they're not talking about the reality, 468 00:24:56,720 --> 00:25:00,480 Speaker 1: which is trade offs and that that is that's how 469 00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:03,640 Speaker 1: reality functions. Is Like what are the tradeoffs? Because everything 470 00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:06,280 Speaker 1: has a tradeoff, like and you know, bitcoin is one example. 471 00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:10,239 Speaker 1: Is it's trade off is that people need to take responsibility. 472 00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:12,800 Speaker 1: But I would much rather live in a world where 473 00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:17,080 Speaker 1: we have responsibility at the edge with the individual than 474 00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:22,119 Speaker 1: responsibility at the center with some satalitarian that dictates what 475 00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:26,479 Speaker 1: we should all live like, because one is aligned with 476 00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:29,280 Speaker 1: life and one is not. You know, when you look 477 00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:32,360 Speaker 1: at nature, when you look at life, it makes its 478 00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:36,560 Speaker 1: decisions at the fringe. It does not have some you know, 479 00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:40,159 Speaker 1: preordained you know, dude that's sitting in the middle that 480 00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:42,640 Speaker 1: dictates what the lions are doing, what this is doing, 481 00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:45,720 Speaker 1: what that's doing is like nature finds its way at 482 00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:49,399 Speaker 1: the fringe and and that's compatible with life. We seem 483 00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:51,479 Speaker 1: to be ignorant enough to think that we can do 484 00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:54,840 Speaker 1: it from the center and somehow manage it. And I think, 485 00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:58,480 Speaker 1: you know, the hubris of that is, we're not going 486 00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:03,000 Speaker 1: to stop life as this broader thing. We're just gonna 487 00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:06,680 Speaker 1: either do one of two things. We're either gonna get 488 00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:11,040 Speaker 1: back in line with this flow of life, which is, 489 00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:14,240 Speaker 1: you know, come back to bringing responsibility to the individual 490 00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:16,560 Speaker 1: and do all this sort of stuff, or we're going 491 00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:21,280 Speaker 1: to be the latest evolutionary example of what was incompatible 492 00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:24,000 Speaker 1: with life and we're going to make ourselves obsolete in 493 00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:25,760 Speaker 1: the process. Well, one of those two fucking things is 494 00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:28,000 Speaker 1: going to happen. But you know, we're not larger than 495 00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:31,679 Speaker 1: life itself. So if we take that and then we 496 00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:34,520 Speaker 1: start to transition that back into kind of where we're 497 00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:37,080 Speaker 1: at in the world today and where we're heading into 498 00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:40,080 Speaker 1: the world, I would look at that and go, well, 499 00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:44,560 Speaker 1: you know, we have is ms. We have socialism and 500 00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:48,200 Speaker 1: communism and fascism and capitalism and all these different things, 501 00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:50,280 Speaker 1: and people want to argue what the meanings of those 502 00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:53,199 Speaker 1: words are and little flavors of the same thing. And 503 00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:56,480 Speaker 1: so I thought about it, like, there's really only two, right, 504 00:26:56,560 --> 00:27:00,960 Speaker 1: We really have either a free competitive model or we 505 00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:05,600 Speaker 1: have like a captured, essentially controlled model. And may we 506 00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:10,160 Speaker 1: just break those down into those two basics of socialism, socialism, communism, fascism. 507 00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:13,400 Speaker 1: They're all what you're saying, essentrally planned, controlled and then 508 00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:15,760 Speaker 1: capitalism whatever you wanna call it. I don't know if 509 00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:18,480 Speaker 1: that word works anymore, but it's free market competition. Do 510 00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:20,679 Speaker 1: you see it kind of broken down into those two levels. 511 00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:24,119 Speaker 1: And those are two options moving forward. That's it and 512 00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:27,200 Speaker 1: and and I know it sounds overly simplistic, but it's 513 00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:30,960 Speaker 1: literally you know, is it? Is it that I generally 514 00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:35,320 Speaker 1: called that same model I call individualism versus collectivism. It's 515 00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:38,400 Speaker 1: one of the two. So we either place the responsibility 516 00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:41,080 Speaker 1: and individual or we assume there's no individual and we 517 00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:43,760 Speaker 1: assume that you know, one group can dictate to all 518 00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:46,600 Speaker 1: the individuals what they should do or you know, and 519 00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:50,320 Speaker 1: like and it doesn't matter whether it's democracy, socialism, communism, 520 00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:52,240 Speaker 1: it's all the same ship. Like in democracy. Was seeing 521 00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:56,320 Speaker 1: that in American OWT like democracy apparently is a you know, 522 00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:03,200 Speaker 1: the people imposing their will on It's fucking stupid, it's 523 00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:10,520 Speaker 1: it's categorically ridiculous. So um, it's actually interesting because when 524 00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:15,520 Speaker 1: you look at nature as well. Nature actually a species 525 00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:18,000 Speaker 1: other than insects, which are which are quite different to 526 00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:23,800 Speaker 1: how humans cooperate. But species actually have two ways of 527 00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:26,320 Speaker 1: All other species other than humans and insects have two 528 00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:31,120 Speaker 1: ways of cooperating, either through tyranny or territory. And tyranny 529 00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:33,360 Speaker 1: is that top down approach. And there's a very very 530 00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:36,760 Speaker 1: very very very few species that operate like that. The majority, 531 00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:40,640 Speaker 1: overwhelming majority of natural species all operate through this territorial 532 00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:46,400 Speaker 1: biological imperative that that is that is naturally emergent. It's 533 00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:50,520 Speaker 1: not like there's a brilliant book by Robert Ardri called 534 00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:53,840 Speaker 1: the It's called the Territorial Imperative. And when I read 535 00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:56,320 Speaker 1: that book, I had this like epiphany, was like, holy crap, 536 00:28:57,080 --> 00:29:00,560 Speaker 1: private property and you know, the individual as the focus 537 00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:04,320 Speaker 1: of private properties actually biological. It's not some man made 538 00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:08,240 Speaker 1: cultural construct that the collective US would have you believe. 539 00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:12,560 Speaker 1: It's actually ingrained in usum. It's something that you know, 540 00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:17,760 Speaker 1: it's nature's way of creating equilibrium in the world without 541 00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:21,520 Speaker 1: creating a tragedy of the comments. So every single species 542 00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:25,720 Speaker 1: has this innate ability to sort of have a territory, 543 00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:29,920 Speaker 1: have a home um, and that territory is actually defined 544 00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:32,600 Speaker 1: by what it can defend. So so at an individual levels, 545 00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:36,200 Speaker 1: like we all have natural private property rights, and it 546 00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:39,400 Speaker 1: starts with us, you know, extends to our thinking, extends 547 00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:43,960 Speaker 1: to our work, and then extends to that which the 548 00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:47,280 Speaker 1: natural stuff out there that we mix our work with, 549 00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:49,320 Speaker 1: and you know, then that becomes our private property in 550 00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:55,440 Speaker 1: our territory basically. And um, it's just one model, like 551 00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:58,080 Speaker 1: I said, again, it's compatible with natural law. The other 552 00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:00,640 Speaker 1: one is not. And and and that's really the fight 553 00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:05,200 Speaker 1: here is, um is you know, do we make ourselves 554 00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:10,959 Speaker 1: a revolutionary example or do we you know, moved with 555 00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:14,200 Speaker 1: that flow and it's a I think we're gonna carry 556 00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:18,560 Speaker 1: the moment. Yeah, a great illustration. It went around a while. 557 00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:20,360 Speaker 1: I I posted it and a lot of people posted 558 00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:22,600 Speaker 1: on online quite a while ago. But but the perfect 559 00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:25,520 Speaker 1: example is is just a lion, right, So a lion 560 00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:28,480 Speaker 1: out in the wild. He's free and uh, he's free 561 00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:30,240 Speaker 1: to do what he wills, but at the same time, 562 00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:33,200 Speaker 1: it's not a safe life. And actually, just a two 563 00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:34,720 Speaker 1: weeks ago, I was talking with a friend who was 564 00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:37,160 Speaker 1: a c World trainer. Um and now they they do 565 00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:39,960 Speaker 1: private dog training. But he was saying we I was 566 00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:42,320 Speaker 1: explained this to him and he said, yeah, he's like 567 00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:46,280 Speaker 1: the life of a lion is not easy. They're constantly fighting, 568 00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:49,240 Speaker 1: haven't defend their territory. They go days or whatever however 569 00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:52,080 Speaker 1: time without eating, Like it's a very rough life to 570 00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:55,120 Speaker 1: be a lion. But they're free. Or we can put 571 00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:57,280 Speaker 1: that lion in a cage and give it one meal 572 00:30:57,320 --> 00:30:58,800 Speaker 1: a day and all its shots and meds and it 573 00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:00,440 Speaker 1: can just live there in a cage and it's safe, 574 00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:02,479 Speaker 1: but it's not free. And so you kind of have 575 00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:05,600 Speaker 1: those two trade offs. But like we said, nothing is 576 00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:07,920 Speaker 1: black and white, so really everything is almost like a blend. 577 00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:09,280 Speaker 1: You know, do you have a little bit more of this, 578 00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:11,600 Speaker 1: a little bit more of this, I guess, But I 579 00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:14,440 Speaker 1: think that's a great illustration kind of show. And then 580 00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:16,480 Speaker 1: the one problem with that is that you know, once 581 00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:19,840 Speaker 1: that line lives in captivity, or especially it's born in captivity, 582 00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:23,360 Speaker 1: they can't just go back to the wild. And so 583 00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:25,960 Speaker 1: we do have these people who have been used to that, 584 00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:30,280 Speaker 1: like you said, offsetting offloading all their thinking, living like 585 00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:32,480 Speaker 1: a cage lion, if you will, right, and like, how 586 00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:34,840 Speaker 1: do we get those people back into the wild. And 587 00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:37,600 Speaker 1: so that's gonna be definitely a tough, tough task. I 588 00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:40,560 Speaker 1: would imagine, well, it's gonna be tough. I mean every 589 00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:43,160 Speaker 1: you know, everything has a cost, and maybe the cost 590 00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:48,400 Speaker 1: of uh, this is gonna sound really harsh, but the 591 00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:51,360 Speaker 1: cost of having given up your personal agency responsibility for 592 00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:55,560 Speaker 1: so long is that you no longer have the demand 593 00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:58,280 Speaker 1: it of yourself. Um. And the cost is you end 594 00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:04,080 Speaker 1: up becoming a casualty. All this this pendulum of life 595 00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:07,680 Speaker 1: that's going to swing back to individual responsibility. Because like 596 00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:12,560 Speaker 1: there's a guy who, uh, he's a complexity theorist mathematician, 597 00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:16,000 Speaker 1: Joe Norman if if you if you've heard of him, 598 00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:18,800 Speaker 1: so so he's brilliant, and he talks about like he's 599 00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:21,880 Speaker 1: a he's a localist called libertarian localism kind of guy. 600 00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:26,959 Speaker 1: And and he kind of I remember it was him 601 00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:28,720 Speaker 1: or somewhere along the lines. I don't know that the 602 00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:33,000 Speaker 1: idea that the world is going to fragment anyway, because 603 00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:36,120 Speaker 1: we've sort of we've centralized that so much. And centralization 604 00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:38,960 Speaker 1: is the process of giving up individual responsibility, right, so 605 00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:42,280 Speaker 1: so you kind of move responsibility to the center. Now 606 00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:45,200 Speaker 1: this because it's incompatible with life and nature is going 607 00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:47,400 Speaker 1: to fall apart like it's not it's not a matter 608 00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:51,360 Speaker 1: of Willard. It's gonna crash. It's gonna crumble because it's fragile. 609 00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:55,240 Speaker 1: The more you centralize power and decision making, the less 610 00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:57,959 Speaker 1: it's able, the less you're able to adapt at the fringe. 611 00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:01,040 Speaker 1: So something is going to crack it now. The only 612 00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:07,560 Speaker 1: question is is do we do that fragmentation consciously or 613 00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:11,200 Speaker 1: does it happen unconsciously? And if it happens completely unconsciously, 614 00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:13,360 Speaker 1: it's going to be fucking messy and violent, and there's 615 00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:16,239 Speaker 1: a lot of people who during that process are going 616 00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:19,320 Speaker 1: to be in a world of hurt. Now, the more 617 00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:22,680 Speaker 1: time you spend becoming responsible for yourself across different levels 618 00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:26,040 Speaker 1: and finding communities who you can be symbiotic with and 619 00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:28,320 Speaker 1: you know, find complementary and this is I guess the 620 00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:31,160 Speaker 1: proverbial bit coinciderle idea is that you know that the 621 00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:33,360 Speaker 1: citadel doesn't necessarily have to be a place, but it's 622 00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:36,240 Speaker 1: a it's a community of people who might be complementary 623 00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:39,640 Speaker 1: with each other. Is we are building, you know, this 624 00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:45,400 Speaker 1: sort of we're bringing the locus of control back into 625 00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:49,120 Speaker 1: not only ourselves as individuals, but voluntary communities, which is 626 00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:55,320 Speaker 1: how we are able to abstract responsibility. So it's a yeah, man, 627 00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:58,000 Speaker 1: it's it's such a it's such a simple It's it's 628 00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:02,880 Speaker 1: not easy, but it's simple, like all things in life. Yeah, correct, correct? 629 00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:04,840 Speaker 1: How do you lose weight? Well, I need to get 630 00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:06,920 Speaker 1: this fitbit and I have to track my macros and 631 00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:08,480 Speaker 1: I have to do these things, and I have to 632 00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:10,600 Speaker 1: wear the right clothes and have to do it. No, 633 00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:13,279 Speaker 1: it's simple. You just consume less calories than you take it, 634 00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:16,520 Speaker 1: I mean, than you burn. Right, Like, Um, so I 635 00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:19,080 Speaker 1: get that. Now, let's let's try to push this into 636 00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:22,160 Speaker 1: something more um timely and kind of what we're seeing 637 00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:24,960 Speaker 1: right now and then and then hopefully practical. So right 638 00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:28,080 Speaker 1: now we're seeing this process you said like the more 639 00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:32,200 Speaker 1: we centralize, almost like the faster it's going to crash. 640 00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:35,080 Speaker 1: And right now we're seeing massive centralization at a level 641 00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:37,719 Speaker 1: we've never seen before. Um. You talked about that and 642 00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:40,280 Speaker 1: kind of one of your last pieces that we're losing 643 00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:42,560 Speaker 1: freedom and we're seeing centralization happen at a rate that 644 00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:44,799 Speaker 1: we've never seen before. I would even say that not 645 00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:47,319 Speaker 1: even at the speed, at the rate of speed we've 646 00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:50,239 Speaker 1: ever seen before, but also the scale because now it's 647 00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:53,239 Speaker 1: really global and for the first time, I think, you know, 648 00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:55,040 Speaker 1: a lot of us have heard about this one world, 649 00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:58,440 Speaker 1: one world all the time, but to see the entire 650 00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:02,360 Speaker 1: world locked down in unison under the direction of the 651 00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:05,680 Speaker 1: w h O was something to be seen in my opinion. 652 00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:08,960 Speaker 1: And so we have these NGOs, non government organizations, the 653 00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:11,360 Speaker 1: w EF, the w h O, the w t O, 654 00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:14,799 Speaker 1: the u N and i m F and they're all 655 00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:17,480 Speaker 1: trying to centralize this power. And at the same time, 656 00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:21,080 Speaker 1: are you seeing that? And and and does it seem 657 00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:23,000 Speaker 1: like we're on this as you said, this kind of uh, 658 00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:27,560 Speaker 1: this rate of centralization to kind of have this global, centralized, 659 00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:30,480 Speaker 1: totalitarian world I mean, is is that where people are 660 00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:33,800 Speaker 1: trying to take us? I mean what other options do 661 00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:35,880 Speaker 1: they have? I mean that they don't they don't have 662 00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:37,719 Speaker 1: like that they can let people, they can let people 663 00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:42,520 Speaker 1: make their own decisions. Yeah. Well, unfortunately in their model 664 00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:46,520 Speaker 1: of the world, like for you to think that for 665 00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:49,479 Speaker 1: an individual to believe that the world government is good, 666 00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:53,160 Speaker 1: they also have to believe that individuals are incapable of 667 00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:56,920 Speaker 1: deciding for themselves. So it's like yeah, and that's the thing. 668 00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:59,360 Speaker 1: So so that their belief system comes from a model 669 00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:03,320 Speaker 1: of the world which all your peasants dumb and ridiculous 670 00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:06,200 Speaker 1: and you can't decide for yourself. We know better, so 671 00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:11,560 Speaker 1: we as a you know, institution that you didn't elect 672 00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:13,680 Speaker 1: in any way, not not that I believe in voting elections, 673 00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:15,840 Speaker 1: but anyway you didn't know. Like thus, but that doesn't 674 00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:20,319 Speaker 1: matter because we the intelligentia and you know, the the 675 00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:23,560 Speaker 1: status and whatever, we are like the bureaucrats, we know 676 00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:26,080 Speaker 1: better and we know what's right for you, and we're 677 00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:30,000 Speaker 1: going to mandate that at a global level, irrespective of Like, 678 00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:34,200 Speaker 1: it's funny because it's so contradictory. I did this video 679 00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:37,800 Speaker 1: while ago talking about how you know, discrimination as a 680 00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:41,759 Speaker 1: concept is bashed, but diversity is applauded. But like, you 681 00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:45,160 Speaker 1: can't have one without the other, like diversity exactly the 682 00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:47,920 Speaker 1: same thing. Thing. You need to discern, You need to 683 00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:51,480 Speaker 1: discriminate in order to make a decision. And you know, 684 00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:55,040 Speaker 1: in the process of discrimination, you create diversity, create differences. 685 00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:58,520 Speaker 1: And like, so much for the call for diversity, when 686 00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:01,040 Speaker 1: now you have the same idiots who have been calling 687 00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:05,560 Speaker 1: for diversity quote unquote now calling for you know, we're 688 00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:07,839 Speaker 1: all the same, We're all in this together. Blah, blah blah, 689 00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:11,960 Speaker 1: which which is the antithesis of diversity, and like I'm 690 00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:16,520 Speaker 1: all for diversity, but at it's like like I'm talking 691 00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:19,200 Speaker 1: true diversity, which is like what nature is. Nature is 692 00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:22,799 Speaker 1: completely diverse. There is everything and anything in nature, and 693 00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:29,560 Speaker 1: it's like it nature a phause like mono crops or monotony. 694 00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:31,719 Speaker 1: It's like, you know, look at food, like when they 695 00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:35,120 Speaker 1: create these mono crops, they die, like well you know that. 696 00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:37,399 Speaker 1: I think Brandon Quentin was talking about this last week 697 00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:39,120 Speaker 1: when I was on a podcast with him, Like the 698 00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:42,800 Speaker 1: original banana, they created the same species of banana. I 699 00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:44,840 Speaker 1: think it was the company was dull or whoever it was. 700 00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:47,440 Speaker 1: And this is sort of where the concept of banana 701 00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:50,279 Speaker 1: Republic came out. And then one parasite I think it 702 00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:53,840 Speaker 1: was a fungal parasite wiped out all of the bananas. 703 00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:57,359 Speaker 1: And and and that's the problem with like homogenizing everything, and 704 00:37:57,480 --> 00:38:02,040 Speaker 1: this is what but but the benefit of homogenizing everything 705 00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:05,000 Speaker 1: is that there's efficiencies to be gained. So if you're 706 00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:07,000 Speaker 1: a central planner, what more do you want? You don't 707 00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:11,440 Speaker 1: want diversity, You want a homogeneous easily like you you 708 00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:13,719 Speaker 1: want a bunch of drones that you can tell what 709 00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:17,200 Speaker 1: to do really easily, because it's much easier to control 710 00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:19,600 Speaker 1: that from the center when you have diversity. When you 711 00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:22,640 Speaker 1: have something that's alive, it's very, very very difficult to control. 712 00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:25,640 Speaker 1: So the only way they can validate their existence is 713 00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:31,160 Speaker 1: to try and enforce conformity across the whole populace, and 714 00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:34,359 Speaker 1: I just think that's silly. Well, the reason why they 715 00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:38,120 Speaker 1: need the conformity is because they're trying to push like 716 00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:41,520 Speaker 1: we should all have like equality of like we should 717 00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:43,720 Speaker 1: all have be able to have the same opportunity, quality 718 00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:46,560 Speaker 1: of opportunities. But they're trying to push for equality of 719 00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:50,560 Speaker 1: an outcome, and you can't get the outcome because like, 720 00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:53,000 Speaker 1: even two kids raised by the same parents in the 721 00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:54,960 Speaker 1: same house, in the same neighborhood, with the same school 722 00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:57,520 Speaker 1: still end up in different places. And that's because the 723 00:38:57,600 --> 00:39:01,160 Speaker 1: decisions that they've made are different. If we want everyone 724 00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:03,799 Speaker 1: to get to the same outcome, then everyone has to 725 00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:06,080 Speaker 1: make the same decisions, and the only way to get 726 00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:08,120 Speaker 1: everyone to make the same decisions is to limit them 727 00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:12,000 Speaker 1: to where they many choices. Correct. So I would actually 728 00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:13,839 Speaker 1: even go a step further on this, So I think 729 00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:16,520 Speaker 1: the quality of the outcome is a complete fucking derangement, 730 00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:19,720 Speaker 1: Like that's the dumbest thing ever. Um. I actually also 731 00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:22,640 Speaker 1: think quality of opportunities are false WITHOOD two. I don't 732 00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:26,880 Speaker 1: think that's possible because that would assume that remember that 733 00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:29,320 Speaker 1: table of truth that I discussed, is that would assume 734 00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:33,959 Speaker 1: that all materials and distributed equally, that all uh time 735 00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:38,400 Speaker 1: and energy um is available to to everyone. So it's like, 736 00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:41,239 Speaker 1: but but not necessarily right because we're we're all we 737 00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:43,399 Speaker 1: all have twenty four hours, and we all have the 738 00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:46,640 Speaker 1: chance to go get those even though the resources are limited. 739 00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:48,879 Speaker 1: If we all have a chance to go get resources, 740 00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:52,600 Speaker 1: like that's an equal opportunity to go get them. Maybe, yeah, 741 00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:55,200 Speaker 1: it's it's it's it's a tough one because the problem 742 00:39:55,280 --> 00:40:00,640 Speaker 1: is because life is dynamic, like unless we had some 743 00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:04,800 Speaker 1: you know, great reset event, like a zeroing of everything, 744 00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:07,480 Speaker 1: right and I don't not trying to use their stupid 745 00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:09,520 Speaker 1: term here, the great reset, but I mean like unless 746 00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:11,600 Speaker 1: we sort of brought everyone back to zero and we 747 00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:14,799 Speaker 1: all started again, we just can't fundamentally get to an 748 00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:18,120 Speaker 1: equality of opportunities. So I just think that what we 749 00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:23,160 Speaker 1: can move towards is not even um equality in any sense. 750 00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:28,920 Speaker 1: But like a a system that is incorruptible and fair. 751 00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:32,320 Speaker 1: And this is this is really where I find bitcoin, 752 00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:37,200 Speaker 1: that the one thing that is our life raft is 753 00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:40,000 Speaker 1: I honestly think bitcoin is the one thing that cannot 754 00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:43,440 Speaker 1: be corrupted, that cannot be changed, that is beyond the 755 00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:47,040 Speaker 1: reach of anybody. And as a result, we're not even 756 00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:48,719 Speaker 1: like I mean, we don't even have the equality of 757 00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:54,680 Speaker 1: opportunity bitcoin like and have access to it and all 758 00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:56,440 Speaker 1: this sort of stuff, like in some countries in the 759 00:40:56,480 --> 00:41:00,000 Speaker 1: Balkans that there is completely like blanket bands on this stuff. 760 00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:02,319 Speaker 1: You can't get your hands on it unless you know, 761 00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:05,360 Speaker 1: you've I don't know, meant someone individually that can do it. 762 00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:07,000 Speaker 1: So so we're not even going to have the quality 763 00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:10,560 Speaker 1: of opportunity. But um maybe on a long enough time 764 00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:15,319 Speaker 1: scale that may change. But even then, like material resources 765 00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:22,440 Speaker 1: um uh spread unevenly that the parents were born to 766 00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:25,880 Speaker 1: a different um you know, the place we're born to 767 00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:27,520 Speaker 1: his different you know, the values we grow up in 768 00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:30,640 Speaker 1: a different the cult like diversity by its nature means 769 00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:32,799 Speaker 1: that we're not going to even have the quality of opportunity. 770 00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:37,000 Speaker 1: So like like Jordan Peterson talks about this where he's like, look, 771 00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:38,640 Speaker 1: you can't change your past. It's like playing a game 772 00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:41,279 Speaker 1: of poker. You play the hand that you're dealt, right, 773 00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:43,960 Speaker 1: so you you got dealt a better hand than I did. 774 00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:47,880 Speaker 1: But I still have the same opportunity to play my 775 00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:50,080 Speaker 1: hand as best as I can, just like you have 776 00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:52,040 Speaker 1: the opportunity play your hands. So I can still bluff you, 777 00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:54,080 Speaker 1: and I can still this and whatever, even though my 778 00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:55,920 Speaker 1: hand sucks, and it is what it is, but my 779 00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:59,320 Speaker 1: opportunity to play that hand, so I don't know. Uh, 780 00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:03,480 Speaker 1: it's so I call this less um the equality opportunity. 781 00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:06,640 Speaker 1: I actually call it the what I believe is the 782 00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:09,160 Speaker 1: only human right we have. It is it's the right 783 00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:13,600 Speaker 1: to choose, so long as that remains um, you know, 784 00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:18,520 Speaker 1: the at the core of like, so you know equality 785 00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:21,560 Speaker 1: and two things is we all should have the equal 786 00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:24,560 Speaker 1: right to choose, a simple as that, you know. And 787 00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:31,600 Speaker 1: number two is equality in the way that probability or 788 00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:35,440 Speaker 1: luck imposes its will on us. All right, So you know, 789 00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:37,840 Speaker 1: luck is something you can't take out of the equation 790 00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:40,359 Speaker 1: because luck is you know, this sort of I call 791 00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:42,719 Speaker 1: it the force of randomness in the universe, like it 792 00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:46,239 Speaker 1: exists and we can't remove that. And as long as 793 00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:49,520 Speaker 1: it applies to everyone, and this is the problem with centralization. 794 00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:52,920 Speaker 1: What they do is when when forces are able to 795 00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:59,400 Speaker 1: centralize power or concentrated, they actually they change how the 796 00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:04,319 Speaker 1: probability your randomness associates to their decisions. So, like the 797 00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:07,759 Speaker 1: perfect example was the GFC in two thou ship blew up. 798 00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:11,120 Speaker 1: But then they socialize the losses, so they pushed the 799 00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:16,640 Speaker 1: consequence of you know, the you know, the probability of 800 00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:20,120 Speaker 1: blowing up. They pushed the consequences out to the fringe. Um, 801 00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:21,839 Speaker 1: you know, and they got the benefit of it. So 802 00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:24,080 Speaker 1: they it was it was a game of heads. They win, 803 00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:29,000 Speaker 1: tells we lose and that kind of um ah. I 804 00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:35,719 Speaker 1: guess unequal distribution of the application probability creates both inequality 805 00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:38,960 Speaker 1: of opportunity and inequality of outcome. It fucking distorts everything. 806 00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:43,040 Speaker 1: But I think fundamentally inequality equality of opportunities just a 807 00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:48,640 Speaker 1: difficult one because again opportunities is a bit broader than 808 00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:50,799 Speaker 1: just having the right to choose. So I think it's 809 00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:55,160 Speaker 1: equality and the right to choose and equality and probability. 810 00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:59,120 Speaker 1: Um And I think those two ingredients are really where 811 00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:02,240 Speaker 1: we're that's the only things we're really equal in. Everything 812 00:44:02,239 --> 00:44:07,480 Speaker 1: else is diverse, it's uneven, and that's a good that's 813 00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:09,800 Speaker 1: a good point. I mean equal equal, equal chance to choose. 814 00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:14,040 Speaker 1: So freedom, right, right, it down from being so um, 815 00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:16,840 Speaker 1: if we're free, then we all have the freedom to choose. 816 00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:19,920 Speaker 1: And I guess and and and the more essentially planned, 817 00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:22,520 Speaker 1: the less free you are to choose. And at the 818 00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:24,759 Speaker 1: same time, the less equal it is, because now they're 819 00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:30,160 Speaker 1: picking and choosing their own winners. Yeah. So um, so 820 00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:31,880 Speaker 1: the world that we're moving into, as you, as you 821 00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:34,000 Speaker 1: made the point in your most recent article, right, we've 822 00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:36,919 Speaker 1: lost more freedom at the fastest rate we've ever seen 823 00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:39,279 Speaker 1: in history. Like I said, I already said, we've we've 824 00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:41,799 Speaker 1: seen power centralized more than we've ever seen. And so 825 00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:45,400 Speaker 1: before we started recording, we talked about how like almost 826 00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:48,560 Speaker 1: every like futuristic movie has always shown this kind of 827 00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:52,200 Speaker 1: totalitary nightmare and and that's obviously where we're headed. But 828 00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:54,040 Speaker 1: then you just mentioned that, you know, we have this 829 00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:57,120 Speaker 1: life raft and so I've gone on I just went 830 00:44:57,160 --> 00:44:58,680 Speaker 1: on on someone else to show this week, and I 831 00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:00,000 Speaker 1: went on this rant and I said, it's the only 832 00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:02,520 Speaker 1: thing to give me hope, because I think it's the 833 00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:04,200 Speaker 1: only thing that can break this I see that we're 834 00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:09,399 Speaker 1: going into this centralized controlled nightmare and the only way 835 00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:13,160 Speaker 1: to break that is through is through competition, and bitcoin 836 00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:15,719 Speaker 1: is what enables that competition. What do you think about that? 837 00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:17,640 Speaker 1: How do you see us being able to break that 838 00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:23,880 Speaker 1: grip of totalitarian control? And where's our life raft? Well again, 839 00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:27,239 Speaker 1: so so the bitcoin, because it's this, like I called 840 00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:33,080 Speaker 1: it earlier, this renaissance of responsibility it brings. It gives 841 00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:36,760 Speaker 1: us instead of trying to change the existing corrup system 842 00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:40,600 Speaker 1: from within, it gives us that new level playing field 843 00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:44,919 Speaker 1: where no one is able to Again, this is where 844 00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:47,480 Speaker 1: holistic thinking comes in. This is why it's so important 845 00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:50,280 Speaker 1: to think holistically and why bitcoin is I think in general, 846 00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:53,920 Speaker 1: a holistic think is is um. Bitcoin itself doesn't give 847 00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:58,120 Speaker 1: anyone the ability to get an advantage because in getting 848 00:45:58,120 --> 00:46:00,640 Speaker 1: an advantage for yourself, you actually disadvant ege everyone else. 849 00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:02,279 Speaker 1: So that's how the world works at the moment, right, 850 00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:05,440 Speaker 1: So central planners, bureaucrats in the academies and all that 851 00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:07,879 Speaker 1: sort of stuff, they give themselves an advantage, but it's 852 00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:10,320 Speaker 1: at the expense of everyone of the French So bitcoin, 853 00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:12,400 Speaker 1: you can't do that. There's the there's a fixed supply 854 00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:16,120 Speaker 1: of money. It's got its rules. If you don't you 855 00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:18,239 Speaker 1: abide by the rules, you're out, like you know, and 856 00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:21,040 Speaker 1: it's not you get booted out. It's like you voluntarily 857 00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:24,440 Speaker 1: opt yourself out or you voluntarily opt yourself in. So 858 00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:27,759 Speaker 1: so there's no there's no impulse other than your own 859 00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:33,920 Speaker 1: personal I guess need for survival, your own personal Darwinian 860 00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:37,719 Speaker 1: force of you know, of existence that drives you to 861 00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:41,720 Speaker 1: want to have access or operate on this field of bitcoins. 862 00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:48,120 Speaker 1: So it does that out here now the existing system 863 00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:52,480 Speaker 1: because it's debt based, because you know, the vanguard of 864 00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:55,000 Speaker 1: the existing system, you know, it is not just going 865 00:46:55,080 --> 00:46:57,120 Speaker 1: to give up the fucking reins. You know, they're going 866 00:46:57,120 --> 00:46:59,839 Speaker 1: to try and grip more and more and more. As 867 00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:02,399 Speaker 1: the as the things sort of slipping out of their hands, 868 00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:03,800 Speaker 1: they're going to group harder, and the heart of the 869 00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:08,719 Speaker 1: group the more it slips, they're going to naturally concentrate 870 00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:13,839 Speaker 1: and centralize and become more draconian. Now my argument is, 871 00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:17,600 Speaker 1: in the absence of bitcoin, yes, we do go into 872 00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:21,399 Speaker 1: a total Terrian type of you know, dystopian, whether that's 873 00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:23,520 Speaker 1: you know, it looks more like or Well or Huxley, 874 00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:25,560 Speaker 1: or a blend of the two, like I think, you know, 875 00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:27,120 Speaker 1: is most likely we're going to look like a brave 876 00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:31,279 Speaker 1: united I think that's going to happen, But long term 877 00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:36,600 Speaker 1: that collapses anyway, Um, the the beauty of bitcoin and 878 00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:39,160 Speaker 1: if we sort of throw some sort of biblical elements 879 00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:42,160 Speaker 1: here is you know, as this life raft is, the 880 00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:45,719 Speaker 1: flood is going to come and in that other totalitarian system, 881 00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:48,040 Speaker 1: in the absence of bitcoin, we all just fucking drown, 882 00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:51,440 Speaker 1: like it's really really really bad for everyone, Whereas with 883 00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:55,120 Speaker 1: the existence of bitcoin, some of us are going to 884 00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:59,520 Speaker 1: be able to protect that world as this other house 885 00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:04,520 Speaker 1: of cuts starts falling down. And you know, I wrote 886 00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:07,920 Speaker 1: this whole book, the whole article about what was it 887 00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:09,839 Speaker 1: called Bitcoin of Lockdowns, I think, and I put that 888 00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:12,959 Speaker 1: model of you come to bitcoin through curiosity or pain. 889 00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:17,000 Speaker 1: Those of us who are curious now to get in 890 00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:19,480 Speaker 1: before the pain is really set in. We're gonna come 891 00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:21,360 Speaker 1: in there. We're going to sort of claim territory on 892 00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:23,520 Speaker 1: this new promised land, you know, which has its own 893 00:48:23,719 --> 00:48:26,359 Speaker 1: constitution with, which has its own rules that we all 894 00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:29,600 Speaker 1: voluntarily agree on. We're gonna get in there and we're 895 00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:31,960 Speaker 1: gonna claim some territory now while everyone else is still 896 00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:34,000 Speaker 1: trying to work around here with this house of cards. 897 00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:36,520 Speaker 1: But as the house of cards starts to fall over 898 00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:40,279 Speaker 1: under the gravity of its own stupidity, the pain is 899 00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:41,759 Speaker 1: going to start to set in and then people are 900 00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:44,520 Speaker 1: going to come across to the only thing that's still functional. 901 00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:48,560 Speaker 1: And yeah, it's like everyone is going to come across 902 00:48:48,600 --> 00:48:50,360 Speaker 1: to it. It's not a matter of if, it's a 903 00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:55,560 Speaker 1: matter of when, and um, the only the only question is, yeah, 904 00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:57,600 Speaker 1: how are you going to come for curiosity or pain? 905 00:48:57,640 --> 00:49:01,040 Speaker 1: And I think yeah. But Bitcoin to me is again 906 00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:03,440 Speaker 1: the last thing that gives me hope because without it, 907 00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:10,360 Speaker 1: you took the the to tailor that the totalitarian central 908 00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:13,040 Speaker 1: planet do not win on a long enough time scale. 909 00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:14,640 Speaker 1: All they do is they keep the can down the 910 00:49:14,719 --> 00:49:17,960 Speaker 1: road to the next central planners, and one of them 911 00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:22,080 Speaker 1: is going to drop the hot potato, right, But the 912 00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:24,239 Speaker 1: question is whose head does a drop on, and it's 913 00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:28,279 Speaker 1: all of ours. Bitcoin might help us, you know, have 914 00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:30,919 Speaker 1: a sanctuary for you know, when that thing pulls down. 915 00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:34,239 Speaker 1: And I think that's really the distinction here. What I 916 00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:37,120 Speaker 1: was thinking is that, as you said, they have that grip, 917 00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:39,319 Speaker 1: and why would they want to give that up? And 918 00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:42,200 Speaker 1: it's unfortunate. Um. You know, there's just those people in 919 00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:44,200 Speaker 1: life that want to have control. Right, whether it's your 920 00:49:44,239 --> 00:49:47,840 Speaker 1: local neighborhood association or your your parent teacher association, or 921 00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:50,360 Speaker 1: local government or whatever. People just want to control. And 922 00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:52,360 Speaker 1: so they don't want to give up that control of 923 00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:55,799 Speaker 1: that power, right, And why would they. We've already talked 924 00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:57,680 Speaker 1: about that. So at some point, maybe it fails. But 925 00:49:57,719 --> 00:49:59,160 Speaker 1: even when it fails, a lot of times you kind 926 00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:00,919 Speaker 1: of get the same system. Try let's try it again 927 00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:03,480 Speaker 1: a little bit different. So, in my opinion, the way 928 00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:05,560 Speaker 1: that I see it is that the only thing that 929 00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:09,719 Speaker 1: can really break that grip is competition. So if the 930 00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:12,840 Speaker 1: United States and Australia and China this took you know, 931 00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:16,120 Speaker 1: this nightmare, um, but another country says, hey, come over here, 932 00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:19,480 Speaker 1: you can live free, you can no masks, and you 933 00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:21,680 Speaker 1: can have any business you want and live free, and 934 00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:24,239 Speaker 1: then people might go there. And then if enough people 935 00:50:24,239 --> 00:50:26,240 Speaker 1: start going there, another country is like, wait a minute, 936 00:50:26,560 --> 00:50:28,880 Speaker 1: you can come here too, And then it's through that 937 00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:33,279 Speaker 1: competition cycle where countries will realize they can't extract. And 938 00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:35,920 Speaker 1: the reason why I think that's important is that growing 939 00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:38,320 Speaker 1: up I had friends whose whose families came from Iran 940 00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:40,480 Speaker 1: or Afghanistan, and one of my best friends family came 941 00:50:40,520 --> 00:50:43,880 Speaker 1: from South Africa and they left an oppressive country to 942 00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:46,680 Speaker 1: come to America. That was free. But the difference was 943 00:50:47,360 --> 00:50:50,160 Speaker 1: is that when they came, they couldn't bring their money 944 00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:52,120 Speaker 1: out of the bank, their goal, their real estate, so 945 00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:55,400 Speaker 1: they came penniless. They had to start over. And bitcoin 946 00:50:55,480 --> 00:50:57,600 Speaker 1: is the only thing that changes that. So now we 947 00:50:57,800 --> 00:50:59,719 Speaker 1: can control our money, we can take our money with us, 948 00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:03,640 Speaker 1: which I think will speed up the competition, which will 949 00:51:03,719 --> 00:51:05,439 Speaker 1: and I believe that's the only thing that will break 950 00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:08,759 Speaker 1: the grip because people will that that that that that 951 00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:11,480 Speaker 1: centralized control. It just won't work when people when there's 952 00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:14,200 Speaker 1: competition for another system, and bitcoin helps that. I don't know, 953 00:51:14,200 --> 00:51:15,879 Speaker 1: That's what I was thinking. What do you think about that? Look, 954 00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:20,760 Speaker 1: that's I think that's the it's a very realistic, optimistic beauty. 955 00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:24,560 Speaker 1: So I'm cautiously optimistic that. Uh. And again I write 956 00:51:24,560 --> 00:51:27,200 Speaker 1: this in the article, is like I hope that bitcoin 957 00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:32,200 Speaker 1: helps cushion the fall of the centralized model as best 958 00:51:32,239 --> 00:51:35,480 Speaker 1: as possible, because what you're discussing there is a cushioning 959 00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:41,360 Speaker 1: of this. You know, these these existing centrally planned nation 960 00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:45,319 Speaker 1: states and attempts for world government and everything they are 961 00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:47,799 Speaker 1: contrary to to how life functions. You know, life is 962 00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:51,080 Speaker 1: this competitive thing. You know, life is always competitive by 963 00:51:51,120 --> 00:51:55,120 Speaker 1: its very nature, and competition is conflict and so so 964 00:51:55,160 --> 00:52:00,919 Speaker 1: that's going to exist. And the incentives to create places, 965 00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:03,880 Speaker 1: whether you know, call them citadels or you know, sanctuaries 966 00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:07,919 Speaker 1: for the free or whatever, that will exist because there's 967 00:52:07,960 --> 00:52:10,480 Speaker 1: going to be people with some wealth. And this is 968 00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:14,440 Speaker 1: why bitcoin is just so powerful is that it doesn't 969 00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:20,239 Speaker 1: matter if your friend or foe Bitcoin benefits from you, Like, 970 00:52:20,360 --> 00:52:23,160 Speaker 1: you know, if you as a nation state, like game 971 00:52:23,239 --> 00:52:25,840 Speaker 1: theoretically decided, man, we need to hold some of this 972 00:52:25,880 --> 00:52:29,640 Speaker 1: thing because it's appreciating value. Um, you actually inadvertently make 973 00:52:29,680 --> 00:52:32,360 Speaker 1: it stronger and make yourself as a nation state obsolete. 974 00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:35,719 Speaker 1: So like it literally takes everything and turns it into this. 975 00:52:36,200 --> 00:52:38,160 Speaker 1: I call it the prospering of the commons, like it 976 00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:42,400 Speaker 1: makes itself stronger. So I think that force is definitely 977 00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:44,000 Speaker 1: going to help us. And this is why you know 978 00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:46,400 Speaker 1: bitcoin is the is the arc, right, is it's going 979 00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:50,840 Speaker 1: to allow us to have and build places of sanctuary 980 00:52:51,600 --> 00:52:58,160 Speaker 1: because the incentives exist. Sometimes though my more pessimistic side. 981 00:52:58,320 --> 00:53:01,000 Speaker 1: And the sort of as a function of how deranged 982 00:53:01,040 --> 00:53:06,040 Speaker 1: I've seen society becoming is I think, man like, so 983 00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:10,480 Speaker 1: many people are still asleep. And I guarantee when things 984 00:53:10,520 --> 00:53:13,239 Speaker 1: get much better for bitcoiners, there's going to be a 985 00:53:13,239 --> 00:53:15,640 Speaker 1: lot of people out there who are going to point 986 00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:19,719 Speaker 1: at us and say, you got lucky, give us your money. 987 00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:23,719 Speaker 1: And you know, we're going to have to really think 988 00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:27,239 Speaker 1: deeply as bitcoin is, about how to defend what we have. 989 00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:30,239 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I know a lot of bitcoiners 990 00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:33,200 Speaker 1: and I'm one of these is before you get my bitcoin, 991 00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:35,640 Speaker 1: will burn my private keys, like you are not going 992 00:53:35,680 --> 00:53:38,399 Speaker 1: to get them from me, and I don't care. And 993 00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:40,680 Speaker 1: in doing that, I actually strengthened the rest of my 994 00:53:40,719 --> 00:53:44,960 Speaker 1: bitcoin friends because I've just decreased the supply of them further. 995 00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:49,080 Speaker 1: And and that bit of like, you know, this is 996 00:53:49,120 --> 00:53:53,600 Speaker 1: the one thing that never existed before is a network 997 00:53:53,719 --> 00:53:58,200 Speaker 1: or a system or a tool where in the cost 998 00:53:58,239 --> 00:54:01,120 Speaker 1: of attack was so high, but the cost of defense 999 00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:04,400 Speaker 1: is so little um and that changes the game. And 1000 00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:06,120 Speaker 1: this this is I guess at the at the very 1001 00:54:06,160 --> 00:54:09,120 Speaker 1: core of the whole sovereign individual thesis is that when 1002 00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:11,440 Speaker 1: you when you change, when you alter the cost of 1003 00:54:11,480 --> 00:54:13,560 Speaker 1: attack um and the cost of defense and you and 1004 00:54:13,600 --> 00:54:17,360 Speaker 1: you make one more expensive and the other cheaper. Is 1005 00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:21,120 Speaker 1: it changes how human beings interact and and I think 1006 00:54:21,440 --> 00:54:23,719 Speaker 1: you know, this is why a bitcoin is hope. It 1007 00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:28,359 Speaker 1: genuinely is the one thing where we can prosper from 1008 00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:32,960 Speaker 1: collaborative efforts as opposed to efforts of theft. And I 1009 00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:35,080 Speaker 1: don't know, man, It's like in many ways, it ain't 1010 00:54:35,080 --> 00:54:37,279 Speaker 1: gonna be easy. There's gonna be a tough decade. Um. 1011 00:54:37,719 --> 00:54:41,640 Speaker 1: You know, the more bitcoin appreciates and the quicker it does, that, 1012 00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:44,279 Speaker 1: I think the better chance we have of building a 1013 00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:48,480 Speaker 1: larger lifeboat for more people, and then that will cushion 1014 00:54:48,560 --> 00:54:52,719 Speaker 1: the fall more for more people. But if you know, 1015 00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:56,520 Speaker 1: if the populace stays largely ignorant, and you know, bitcoins 1016 00:54:56,560 --> 00:54:59,640 Speaker 1: emergence takes another two three decades and everyone decides to 1017 00:54:59,640 --> 00:55:01,080 Speaker 1: get back snated and all that sort of ship, this 1018 00:55:01,200 --> 00:55:04,640 Speaker 1: just may take longer. And it just means that, uh, 1019 00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:07,120 Speaker 1: the full of the state is going to be more painful. 1020 00:55:07,160 --> 00:55:11,280 Speaker 1: So so it's gonna happen. The question is how painful 1021 00:55:11,320 --> 00:55:15,000 Speaker 1: is this process? That that's really the only question here. Yeah, 1022 00:55:15,080 --> 00:55:17,319 Speaker 1: to your point about them saying, hey, you got lucky. 1023 00:55:17,360 --> 00:55:19,520 Speaker 1: We want some of that money. Um. I mean that's 1024 00:55:19,520 --> 00:55:21,880 Speaker 1: not a guess, that's what we're seeing today. Um. You 1025 00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:24,320 Speaker 1: know they're already like, well, we need to raise taxes 1026 00:55:24,320 --> 00:55:26,080 Speaker 1: on the rich, right, and we see that depend on 1027 00:55:26,080 --> 00:55:28,560 Speaker 1: what you consider rich. Um, Now it's four hundred thousand 1028 00:55:28,560 --> 00:55:31,640 Speaker 1: dollars in the United States whatever. You know, we've seen 1029 00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:34,359 Speaker 1: AOC come out and say that, Um, you didn't make 1030 00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:36,880 Speaker 1: a billion, you took a billion, right, So like we 1031 00:55:36,960 --> 00:55:41,560 Speaker 1: already seeing that narrative shift. Um. So so you're right. 1032 00:55:41,600 --> 00:55:42,960 Speaker 1: I mean we we know that, and we also just 1033 00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:45,080 Speaker 1: know human nature, right, so we know that as well. 1034 00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:47,440 Speaker 1: But I just think like in the Cayman Islands or 1035 00:55:47,480 --> 00:55:51,319 Speaker 1: in St. Barts, for example, like people go there for money, right, 1036 00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:54,120 Speaker 1: so like I can take my wealth with me. I'll 1037 00:55:54,160 --> 00:55:55,799 Speaker 1: be in St. Barts. I'll see you there. Right, maybe 1038 00:55:55,800 --> 00:56:00,839 Speaker 1: that's our citadel. But I guess uh. I'd like to 1039 00:56:01,320 --> 00:56:04,520 Speaker 1: maybe wrap it up by moving into the question of 1040 00:56:04,560 --> 00:56:07,319 Speaker 1: like what we what you see in the future. Now, 1041 00:56:07,400 --> 00:56:08,759 Speaker 1: I'm not going to ask you to predict the price 1042 00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:10,880 Speaker 1: of bitcoin because I try not even focus on that 1043 00:56:11,360 --> 00:56:13,359 Speaker 1: because it's so much more than that. And actually I 1044 00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:16,920 Speaker 1: was I was actually thinking last night. UM, you know, 1045 00:56:18,840 --> 00:56:21,000 Speaker 1: maybe it sounds cliche. At this point we talked offline. 1046 00:56:21,040 --> 00:56:23,000 Speaker 1: I mean I came in because of the ideology. I 1047 00:56:23,040 --> 00:56:25,160 Speaker 1: came in because it's censorship resistant. I believe it. It 1048 00:56:25,200 --> 00:56:29,759 Speaker 1: can change the future. Um, and to see something that 1049 00:56:30,239 --> 00:56:33,160 Speaker 1: see the needs so big and the only tool that 1050 00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:35,839 Speaker 1: we have to solve it. But people are talking about 1051 00:56:35,880 --> 00:56:40,440 Speaker 1: lambas like really like with with what the problems we 1052 00:56:40,480 --> 00:56:42,640 Speaker 1: have in the world, and I'm scared. I got kids. 1053 00:56:42,680 --> 00:56:44,360 Speaker 1: I Mean, all I think about is how to navigated 1054 00:56:44,440 --> 00:56:45,800 Speaker 1: for my family. And when I see the problem in 1055 00:56:45,840 --> 00:56:48,080 Speaker 1: the world and the only tool that we have to 1056 00:56:48,120 --> 00:56:50,200 Speaker 1: solve it and people are talking about trading it for 1057 00:56:50,200 --> 00:56:54,359 Speaker 1: our lambo anyway, it flows my mind. That's that's the 1058 00:56:54,680 --> 00:56:57,480 Speaker 1: world we live in, right. We've all been taught that, 1059 00:56:57,520 --> 00:57:00,120 Speaker 1: you know, consumption is the path to happiness. And and 1060 00:57:00,160 --> 00:57:01,640 Speaker 1: then this is why I love a lot of Jordan 1061 00:57:01,680 --> 00:57:06,279 Speaker 1: Peterson's work is that and I completely concur with him 1062 00:57:06,280 --> 00:57:08,759 Speaker 1: this idea that happiness is not a goal. It's not 1063 00:57:08,840 --> 00:57:12,720 Speaker 1: a noble goal. Happiness is a fucking byproduct like the goal, 1064 00:57:12,840 --> 00:57:16,080 Speaker 1: the pursuit is meaning. And we live in a world 1065 00:57:16,160 --> 00:57:19,200 Speaker 1: where we're taught that happiness is the thing. So so 1066 00:57:19,240 --> 00:57:22,240 Speaker 1: then you know, we achieve happiness through we achieve sorry, 1067 00:57:22,280 --> 00:57:25,600 Speaker 1: fleeting surface level happiness through you know how many likes 1068 00:57:25,680 --> 00:57:28,240 Speaker 1: we have on Instagram and you know what photos we 1069 00:57:28,280 --> 00:57:30,920 Speaker 1: have in this narcissistic crap and the next bit of 1070 00:57:30,960 --> 00:57:33,120 Speaker 1: chocolate weed, the next bit of fast food we consume, 1071 00:57:33,200 --> 00:57:35,880 Speaker 1: the next bit of you know TV we watch, and 1072 00:57:35,920 --> 00:57:39,640 Speaker 1: all this crap like it's just this surface, pathetic version 1073 00:57:39,680 --> 00:57:42,560 Speaker 1: of life that is all in this pursuit of fleeting 1074 00:57:42,560 --> 00:57:45,240 Speaker 1: happiness where and that's where the lambos come in. It's 1075 00:57:45,280 --> 00:57:49,440 Speaker 1: like that that same feat high time preference mentality versus 1076 00:57:49,800 --> 00:57:53,560 Speaker 1: the pursuit of meaning is deep. It's low time preference. 1077 00:57:53,600 --> 00:57:58,240 Speaker 1: It's meaningful, and it's hard, um and you know, it 1078 00:57:58,280 --> 00:58:01,280 Speaker 1: takes time. And and that's where I think, you know, 1079 00:58:01,320 --> 00:58:03,800 Speaker 1: people like you and I get along, is that we're 1080 00:58:03,800 --> 00:58:07,240 Speaker 1: on that path. This is this other one which in 1081 00:58:07,280 --> 00:58:09,240 Speaker 1: regards to that, I have a nonprofit I work with 1082 00:58:09,280 --> 00:58:12,280 Speaker 1: and our quote is that happy people help others. And 1083 00:58:12,320 --> 00:58:15,800 Speaker 1: so back to that, that pursuit of happiness. I would 1084 00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:18,400 Speaker 1: think most people probably have experienced this and would agree 1085 00:58:18,440 --> 00:58:21,600 Speaker 1: that the most happy feeling you might ever have is 1086 00:58:21,600 --> 00:58:25,240 Speaker 1: when you've helped somebody else and help them. They're happy 1087 00:58:25,280 --> 00:58:27,240 Speaker 1: to change their life. Like when you're an adult and 1088 00:58:27,240 --> 00:58:29,760 Speaker 1: you have kids, like all your fun is having watching 1089 00:58:29,760 --> 00:58:31,680 Speaker 1: your kids have fun. Right, And so if I can 1090 00:58:31,680 --> 00:58:33,760 Speaker 1: go solve the need with my neighbor and really help 1091 00:58:33,840 --> 00:58:35,840 Speaker 1: them out, I give them a gift that they really value, 1092 00:58:35,880 --> 00:58:39,680 Speaker 1: Like that's like the best feeling. So um, anyway, it's 1093 00:58:39,680 --> 00:58:41,439 Speaker 1: not about me buying a lambo. It's about me helping 1094 00:58:41,440 --> 00:58:43,760 Speaker 1: other people. But so, anyway back to this, so I 1095 00:58:43,760 --> 00:58:45,400 Speaker 1: don't want to I'm not gonna ask you to guess 1096 00:58:45,440 --> 00:58:47,240 Speaker 1: where the price of bitcoin is going to be, but 1097 00:58:47,400 --> 00:58:49,840 Speaker 1: how do you see this playing out? Maybe you can 1098 00:58:49,880 --> 00:58:52,280 Speaker 1: give me that kind of a guest. Obviously, we have 1099 00:58:52,360 --> 00:58:55,000 Speaker 1: the w EF, the World Economic Forum. Their goal is 1100 00:58:55,040 --> 00:58:58,120 Speaker 1: by So they have this agenda by own nothing and 1101 00:58:58,160 --> 00:59:02,000 Speaker 1: you're happy. Um, that's that all. And they've stated it's 1102 00:59:02,000 --> 00:59:04,400 Speaker 1: on their websites, their pictures are there, um right, So 1103 00:59:04,480 --> 00:59:07,720 Speaker 1: the goal is by they've have established this comment. They 1104 00:59:07,720 --> 00:59:09,640 Speaker 1: don't call it communism, but we live in a commune. 1105 00:59:09,720 --> 00:59:12,440 Speaker 1: We own nothing, right, so that's their goal. How do 1106 00:59:12,480 --> 00:59:14,960 Speaker 1: you see this plane out? Do you do you see us? 1107 00:59:16,240 --> 00:59:18,880 Speaker 1: Over what time frame? Does bitcoin changes? Does this fall 1108 00:59:18,920 --> 00:59:20,600 Speaker 1: apart in three to five years and we moved to 1109 00:59:20,640 --> 00:59:24,720 Speaker 1: this competitive model or try to forecast that. For me, who, 1110 00:59:26,800 --> 00:59:29,120 Speaker 1: I didn't think it's one or the other. I think 1111 00:59:29,120 --> 00:59:33,600 Speaker 1: it's a it's a messy, convoluted version of both. So 1112 00:59:34,240 --> 00:59:38,880 Speaker 1: I think whilst so there's gonna be my gifts is 1113 00:59:38,920 --> 00:59:42,240 Speaker 1: that it's going to be formal polarization. Um so, so 1114 00:59:42,280 --> 00:59:46,520 Speaker 1: there'll be this kind of ripping and stretching of society 1115 00:59:46,560 --> 00:59:49,920 Speaker 1: where people are pointing at what they can inherently feel 1116 00:59:50,000 --> 00:59:52,240 Speaker 1: is a problem, but don't know how to articulate it. 1117 00:59:52,320 --> 00:59:55,439 Speaker 1: So you'll end up with more socialism. You'll end up with, 1118 00:59:56,000 --> 00:59:58,840 Speaker 1: you know, the continued separation of Main Street Wall Street, 1119 00:59:59,520 --> 01:00:02,040 Speaker 1: which will will look like on the surface that you know, 1120 01:00:02,080 --> 01:00:06,680 Speaker 1: the rich of the problem. Now, what that'll do then 1121 01:00:06,760 --> 01:00:08,920 Speaker 1: is then that'll kind of like point the guns at 1122 01:00:08,920 --> 01:00:11,440 Speaker 1: the rich that people can actually get money off, and 1123 01:00:11,480 --> 01:00:16,120 Speaker 1: that's not you know, the the you know, call it 1124 01:00:16,200 --> 01:00:18,080 Speaker 1: the elite lizards or whatever we want to call them, 1125 01:00:18,120 --> 01:00:20,320 Speaker 1: that will be the business owners in the middle classes. 1126 01:00:20,360 --> 01:00:22,840 Speaker 1: It will keep eroding the middle class. But I think 1127 01:00:23,040 --> 01:00:25,720 Speaker 1: what that'll then do is that will push those people 1128 01:00:25,720 --> 01:00:29,840 Speaker 1: who are productive towards something like bitcoin, because they're going 1129 01:00:29,880 --> 01:00:32,920 Speaker 1: to that will be that pain driver. They're going to 1130 01:00:33,000 --> 01:00:34,840 Speaker 1: find that there's nothing else, and they're going to come 1131 01:00:34,880 --> 01:00:37,680 Speaker 1: across someone like you or I or someone that they respect, 1132 01:00:38,040 --> 01:00:40,560 Speaker 1: who has got some bit, who gets it, who's been 1133 01:00:40,560 --> 01:00:42,600 Speaker 1: orange told, and they're going to sort of say, hey, look, 1134 01:00:42,840 --> 01:00:44,240 Speaker 1: come into this. And you know that they're going to 1135 01:00:44,320 --> 01:00:47,960 Speaker 1: come into it with probably a mind frame of, oh, 1136 01:00:48,200 --> 01:00:49,919 Speaker 1: you know this, I thought this was some Ponzi scheme. 1137 01:00:49,920 --> 01:00:52,480 Speaker 1: But as they dig a little bit deeper, it'll it'll, 1138 01:00:53,040 --> 01:00:57,400 Speaker 1: you know, spark their fire aligned with their own values 1139 01:00:57,440 --> 01:01:00,240 Speaker 1: of personal individual responsibility, because that's what it produced as 1140 01:01:00,240 --> 01:01:03,000 Speaker 1: a producer of someone who takes, you know, the creation 1141 01:01:03,040 --> 01:01:05,160 Speaker 1: of something into their own hands. And there are many 1142 01:01:05,200 --> 01:01:07,520 Speaker 1: of us, but there's not many of us in bitcoining yet, 1143 01:01:08,040 --> 01:01:10,840 Speaker 1: so so so those people slowly but slowly keep coming across. 1144 01:01:10,920 --> 01:01:18,360 Speaker 1: And I think we'll have an opportunity to build cities, citadels, communities, 1145 01:01:18,360 --> 01:01:26,160 Speaker 1: etcetera of people who are more collaborative and productive in nature. 1146 01:01:26,760 --> 01:01:30,280 Speaker 1: And the way we'll connect ourselves is I think through 1147 01:01:30,360 --> 01:01:34,800 Speaker 1: bitcoin and and this I think will be a very decentralized, grassroots, 1148 01:01:35,040 --> 01:01:40,680 Speaker 1: bottom up movement against the backdrop of a continued conformist 1149 01:01:41,600 --> 01:01:44,560 Speaker 1: drive towards the world government, where people will be more depressed, 1150 01:01:44,640 --> 01:01:49,120 Speaker 1: more dependent, more stupid, more docile, um, you know, more, 1151 01:01:50,120 --> 01:01:53,440 Speaker 1: they will own nothing, they won't be happy, um, and 1152 01:01:53,480 --> 01:01:56,240 Speaker 1: they'll wonder why they're not happy. And as that thing 1153 01:01:56,320 --> 01:01:58,960 Speaker 1: sort of crumbles, um, you know, will will have an 1154 01:01:58,960 --> 01:02:04,200 Speaker 1: opportunity to to rise. Now, the one thing I'm uncertain 1155 01:02:04,200 --> 01:02:07,920 Speaker 1: of is, you know, the nexus between those things is 1156 01:02:08,520 --> 01:02:16,800 Speaker 1: do those failing states try and come and take our ship, 1157 01:02:17,120 --> 01:02:20,760 Speaker 1: you know, who are the productive constituents of society? Or 1158 01:02:21,240 --> 01:02:26,160 Speaker 1: do they realize you do they make the the game 1159 01:02:26,240 --> 01:02:29,160 Speaker 1: theoretic choice not to come and take our ship, but 1160 01:02:29,200 --> 01:02:31,840 Speaker 1: to collaborate with those of us who have created these pockets, 1161 01:02:32,080 --> 01:02:36,040 Speaker 1: to compete and correct exactly exactly. So that's that's the 1162 01:02:36,080 --> 01:02:38,880 Speaker 1: only thing. And again that's not a clear answer, because 1163 01:02:39,240 --> 01:02:42,080 Speaker 1: some may compete, some may not. And then what that's 1164 01:02:42,080 --> 01:02:43,400 Speaker 1: going to mean is we're going to need to get 1165 01:02:43,440 --> 01:02:48,200 Speaker 1: strategic with how we um, you know, how we protect 1166 01:02:48,200 --> 01:02:51,160 Speaker 1: ourselves in this and the negotiations and the agreements we 1167 01:02:51,200 --> 01:02:53,440 Speaker 1: have with the old world. So so I think it's 1168 01:02:53,440 --> 01:02:59,960 Speaker 1: going to be it's going to require a lot of courage, strength, prowess, intelligence, 1169 01:03:00,000 --> 01:03:03,480 Speaker 1: it's self sovereignty, you know, the ability to protect It's 1170 01:03:03,480 --> 01:03:05,040 Speaker 1: going to require a lot of that on our part. 1171 01:03:05,120 --> 01:03:07,520 Speaker 1: So so I'm a big advocate of all of us 1172 01:03:07,520 --> 01:03:11,840 Speaker 1: who are in the bitcoint space to build skills outside 1173 01:03:11,880 --> 01:03:15,840 Speaker 1: of just you know, whether you're just a code or 1174 01:03:15,840 --> 01:03:18,120 Speaker 1: whether you're an economist person like you want to build 1175 01:03:18,520 --> 01:03:21,840 Speaker 1: skills and you want to build networks because it's going 1176 01:03:21,880 --> 01:03:25,280 Speaker 1: to require us to really be intelligent over the coming decade. 1177 01:03:25,360 --> 01:03:28,200 Speaker 1: And my guess is that the decade is going to 1178 01:03:28,240 --> 01:03:30,960 Speaker 1: be quite tumultuous. But I actually think that by the 1179 01:03:30,960 --> 01:03:37,200 Speaker 1: times around will have definitively one because this clusterfuck of 1180 01:03:37,360 --> 01:03:41,360 Speaker 1: essentially planned the world is going to fall under its 1181 01:03:41,400 --> 01:03:45,640 Speaker 1: own weight. It cannot persist. You can't fight gravity for long. 1182 01:03:46,080 --> 01:03:50,040 Speaker 1: And I think beyond is that's when we'll see the 1183 01:03:50,040 --> 01:03:53,040 Speaker 1: opportunity for bitcoins, who at that stage are going to 1184 01:03:53,080 --> 01:03:57,520 Speaker 1: be so incredibly wealthy. We're going to have an opportunity 1185 01:03:57,560 --> 01:04:00,680 Speaker 1: to rebuild the world in a more fragmented, low galizes manner. 1186 01:04:00,800 --> 01:04:05,400 Speaker 1: So so that would be my humble attempt at I guess. Yeah, 1187 01:04:05,600 --> 01:04:07,960 Speaker 1: So we have the free society and we have the 1188 01:04:08,120 --> 01:04:12,360 Speaker 1: centrally consult society, and the central model continues to get 1189 01:04:12,400 --> 01:04:15,040 Speaker 1: stronger and stronger and stronger, but maybe simultaneously the free 1190 01:04:15,040 --> 01:04:18,560 Speaker 1: model continues to continue tenues, maybe by we hit the 1191 01:04:18,560 --> 01:04:21,280 Speaker 1: tipping point and then the free model starts to take over. 1192 01:04:23,120 --> 01:04:28,120 Speaker 1: Then kind of I think the centrally planned. On the surface, 1193 01:04:28,160 --> 01:04:30,240 Speaker 1: it might look like it's getting stronger. I would argue 1194 01:04:30,280 --> 01:04:32,960 Speaker 1: that it's it looks like it's getting bigger, but it's 1195 01:04:32,960 --> 01:04:35,480 Speaker 1: becoming hollowed out. So I actually would argue that it's 1196 01:04:35,480 --> 01:04:37,840 Speaker 1: getting a lot weaker. But it's kind of like an egg, 1197 01:04:38,280 --> 01:04:42,400 Speaker 1: So so it's it's it's becoming completely fucking hollow. There's 1198 01:04:42,440 --> 01:04:45,080 Speaker 1: no belief behind it. There's no faith in it. You know, 1199 01:04:45,160 --> 01:04:50,040 Speaker 1: it's empty, it's it's unhappy, it's depressing, but it comes 1200 01:04:50,040 --> 01:04:52,840 Speaker 1: out like with this bravado of like we're bigger and 1201 01:04:52,840 --> 01:04:56,600 Speaker 1: better than ever, but in reality there's nothing. There's no substance, 1202 01:04:57,160 --> 01:05:00,320 Speaker 1: whereas we might be smaller, but there's some fucking sub stance. 1203 01:05:00,840 --> 01:05:03,960 Speaker 1: And when that shill is crrecked, the whole thing will 1204 01:05:03,960 --> 01:05:06,720 Speaker 1: full up. Now one more thing, I mean you talked 1205 01:05:06,760 --> 01:05:09,760 Speaker 1: about like the need. Will these other nation states where 1206 01:05:09,800 --> 01:05:11,160 Speaker 1: they come and compete for it, or will they try 1207 01:05:11,160 --> 01:05:13,600 Speaker 1: to take it. And I think maybe in the sovereign 1208 01:05:13,600 --> 01:05:16,480 Speaker 1: invidual they kind of made this case. But basically we 1209 01:05:16,520 --> 01:05:19,720 Speaker 1: can see that throughout history, UM, thing we we all 1210 01:05:19,720 --> 01:05:21,920 Speaker 1: of a sudden had to shift, right. So for example, Um, 1211 01:05:21,960 --> 01:05:23,960 Speaker 1: at the beginning of time, you had one guy came 1212 01:05:24,000 --> 01:05:26,640 Speaker 1: over and took another guy's goats, and then another village 1213 01:05:26,640 --> 01:05:28,480 Speaker 1: would come and take their goats and their women, and 1214 01:05:28,480 --> 01:05:30,760 Speaker 1: then a kingdom would come and take all their gold 1215 01:05:31,000 --> 01:05:33,400 Speaker 1: and their goats, and then like um, now they would 1216 01:05:33,400 --> 01:05:36,240 Speaker 1: go and take their their oil, right um. And then 1217 01:05:36,400 --> 01:05:39,040 Speaker 1: there was always something to go and get. But today, 1218 01:05:39,600 --> 01:05:41,960 Speaker 1: as you said, the cost to defend has come down. Today, 1219 01:05:42,000 --> 01:05:43,960 Speaker 1: what are they gonna get? They're gonna get my twelve words, 1220 01:05:44,400 --> 01:05:46,000 Speaker 1: like you said, you would die before they get that, 1221 01:05:46,080 --> 01:05:48,240 Speaker 1: right or whatever. So like, what are they gonna take 1222 01:05:48,240 --> 01:05:49,720 Speaker 1: from me? There's no, I don't have any oil at 1223 01:05:49,760 --> 01:05:52,040 Speaker 1: hot many goats, and don't many gold like good luck. 1224 01:05:52,400 --> 01:05:55,880 Speaker 1: So that as you already made the case lower the defense. 1225 01:05:55,920 --> 01:05:58,040 Speaker 1: But I mean, I think that also shifts things quite 1226 01:05:58,080 --> 01:06:01,320 Speaker 1: a bit. It does that that's the one thing that 1227 01:06:01,400 --> 01:06:04,320 Speaker 1: changes the game more than anything else in the past. 1228 01:06:04,440 --> 01:06:06,920 Speaker 1: So every single other revolution, like you sort of mentioned 1229 01:06:06,960 --> 01:06:10,040 Speaker 1: with your friend from South Africa is in the process 1230 01:06:10,200 --> 01:06:12,680 Speaker 1: of the revolution happening and the power overturning and all 1231 01:06:12,680 --> 01:06:15,800 Speaker 1: that sort of stuff. The old holders of wealth, you know, 1232 01:06:16,000 --> 01:06:18,200 Speaker 1: good or bad, they lost it all in the process. 1233 01:06:18,200 --> 01:06:21,160 Speaker 1: So like or you know, when you've left one oppressed 1234 01:06:21,160 --> 01:06:23,560 Speaker 1: to jurisdiction for a new you have to leave everything behind. 1235 01:06:23,760 --> 01:06:26,520 Speaker 1: And or there's always been something to rape from pillage. 1236 01:06:26,520 --> 01:06:31,400 Speaker 1: Now mind you the you know, they may be able 1237 01:06:31,440 --> 01:06:35,080 Speaker 1: to come and you know, wreck the place that we're 1238 01:06:35,120 --> 01:06:38,000 Speaker 1: living in, but but there's very little benefit for them 1239 01:06:38,040 --> 01:06:41,400 Speaker 1: to do that other than trying to impose, you know, 1240 01:06:41,960 --> 01:06:44,000 Speaker 1: we're bigger than you and you must listen to us. 1241 01:06:44,040 --> 01:06:47,520 Speaker 1: So I don't know. It's like Hong Kong is the 1242 01:06:47,560 --> 01:06:50,800 Speaker 1: one thing that you know, I guess wasn't predicted in 1243 01:06:50,720 --> 01:06:52,919 Speaker 1: in the sovereign individual in the sense that how China 1244 01:06:52,960 --> 01:06:55,320 Speaker 1: actually did come in and you know, put the like 1245 01:06:55,360 --> 01:06:57,360 Speaker 1: they they've got very little to gain from Hong Kong 1246 01:06:57,920 --> 01:06:59,440 Speaker 1: by coming in and doing what they're doing and in 1247 01:06:59,480 --> 01:07:02,200 Speaker 1: fact just gonna hurt themselves in the process. But the 1248 01:07:02,200 --> 01:07:05,440 Speaker 1: funding idiots did it anyway, Like it's baffling to me 1249 01:07:05,600 --> 01:07:07,920 Speaker 1: that the Chinese win and did that with Hong Kong. 1250 01:07:08,760 --> 01:07:11,760 Speaker 1: So so I think, you know, I call it never 1251 01:07:12,120 --> 01:07:16,360 Speaker 1: underestimate the stupidity of a status. Yeah, like you know, 1252 01:07:16,800 --> 01:07:19,360 Speaker 1: they will, they will. They'll cut their own nose off 1253 01:07:19,400 --> 01:07:22,560 Speaker 1: to spite you, like, despite their face. So it's so 1254 01:07:22,640 --> 01:07:26,280 Speaker 1: it's like it's it's a really I And that's why 1255 01:07:26,320 --> 01:07:28,480 Speaker 1: I think we we can't sort of rest on our 1256 01:07:28,520 --> 01:07:31,800 Speaker 1: laurels and just hope that game theoretically, you know, because 1257 01:07:31,800 --> 01:07:35,360 Speaker 1: because game theoretically speaking, corporation does make more sense for 1258 01:07:35,400 --> 01:07:38,920 Speaker 1: the failing state. But some of these clowns are really 1259 01:07:38,960 --> 01:07:42,120 Speaker 1: fucking dumb um and you know, we we sort of 1260 01:07:42,160 --> 01:07:46,120 Speaker 1: need to be prepared for that. Yeah, well that's great. Um. 1261 01:07:46,200 --> 01:07:48,800 Speaker 1: With that, we're going to wrap it up. It's been 1262 01:07:48,840 --> 01:07:51,240 Speaker 1: great to have you. I would say that this is um, 1263 01:07:51,280 --> 01:07:54,680 Speaker 1: I think that's the longest interview I've ever done, and 1264 01:07:54,680 --> 01:07:56,800 Speaker 1: and and it's definitely different. I mean, normally it's a 1265 01:07:56,840 --> 01:07:58,960 Speaker 1: lot more centered around kind of money and stuff, but 1266 01:07:59,440 --> 01:08:01,440 Speaker 1: you're such a eight thinker, so it's super fun to 1267 01:08:01,480 --> 01:08:05,000 Speaker 1: have that conversation with you. UM. I want to make 1268 01:08:05,040 --> 01:08:06,760 Speaker 1: sure that we link everything that you have in the 1269 01:08:06,840 --> 01:08:09,520 Speaker 1: in the show notes below. But one of the best places, 1270 01:08:09,560 --> 01:08:11,400 Speaker 1: I mean, people to go read your stuff on medium 1271 01:08:11,400 --> 01:08:12,720 Speaker 1: and follow on Twitter or what do you? What do 1272 01:08:12,720 --> 01:08:17,000 Speaker 1: you got? Pretty much? So I think, I mean, there's 1273 01:08:17,000 --> 01:08:19,479 Speaker 1: a different flavor of me between Twitter and Medium. You 1274 01:08:19,479 --> 01:08:21,919 Speaker 1: would know, like so on Twitter, I'm much more abrasive 1275 01:08:22,080 --> 01:08:23,760 Speaker 1: and sort of like if you want to see the 1276 01:08:24,680 --> 01:08:29,360 Speaker 1: more psycho version of Alex on Twitter at Alex Swetzky. 1277 01:08:29,439 --> 01:08:32,120 Speaker 1: And my name is for a l e K s 1278 01:08:32,479 --> 01:08:35,960 Speaker 1: than s v e T s k I. Um, my 1279 01:08:36,040 --> 01:08:39,200 Speaker 1: medium is my more long form, thought out you'll see 1280 01:08:39,200 --> 01:08:41,680 Speaker 1: a much more reserved version of me. Now, my my 1281 01:08:41,760 --> 01:08:44,439 Speaker 1: articles are probably still fiery, but like you, it's it's 1282 01:08:44,479 --> 01:08:46,960 Speaker 1: much more thought out. So that's just Setzki dot medium, 1283 01:08:47,000 --> 01:08:49,400 Speaker 1: dot com. Um. And then I employ everyone to check 1284 01:08:49,439 --> 01:08:52,160 Speaker 1: out the Bitcoin Times. It's just Bitcoin Times dot news. 1285 01:08:52,520 --> 01:08:54,439 Speaker 1: Don't put the www in front of it. I don't 1286 01:08:54,439 --> 01:08:55,920 Speaker 1: know for some reason that doesn't work. I'm not a 1287 01:08:55,960 --> 01:08:58,240 Speaker 1: tech whiz. But yeah, if you just do Bitcoin Times 1288 01:08:58,240 --> 01:09:01,440 Speaker 1: dot news, you'll get you'll be able to download there's 1289 01:09:01,479 --> 01:09:03,880 Speaker 1: three editions now of the Bitcoin Times, and well everyone 1290 01:09:03,960 --> 01:09:07,840 Speaker 1: sort of read through all of them. Uh yeah, that 1291 01:09:07,920 --> 01:09:11,960 Speaker 1: that's sort of the best places. And then actually, I'm sorry, 1292 01:09:12,000 --> 01:09:14,080 Speaker 1: I always forget I'm doing this new podcast called the 1293 01:09:14,120 --> 01:09:17,240 Speaker 1: wake Up Podcast, so you know you yeah, you'll you'll 1294 01:09:17,280 --> 01:09:20,880 Speaker 1: find that I'm doing that with like it's it's not 1295 01:09:21,640 --> 01:09:24,639 Speaker 1: not super consistent. Lately, I've been a bit more consistent, 1296 01:09:24,680 --> 01:09:27,559 Speaker 1: but it's more about long, longer form discussions, so it's 1297 01:09:27,600 --> 01:09:30,160 Speaker 1: like sort of Joe roganesque kind of two to three 1298 01:09:30,160 --> 01:09:33,320 Speaker 1: hour discussions with I always have two guests on and 1299 01:09:33,360 --> 01:09:37,400 Speaker 1: we're kind of discussing ideas in a discussion format, lesson 1300 01:09:37,439 --> 01:09:39,400 Speaker 1: an interview format. So if anyone wants to sort of 1301 01:09:40,439 --> 01:09:43,240 Speaker 1: it's not just bitcoin. It's very broad, so philosophy. I 1302 01:09:43,240 --> 01:09:46,519 Speaker 1: did one on religion, I did one with atheists. We 1303 01:09:46,560 --> 01:09:49,000 Speaker 1: did one called Bitcoin of biology recently, so it's it's 1304 01:09:49,080 --> 01:09:52,360 Speaker 1: quite the topics are really broad. So if anyone's red 1305 01:09:52,400 --> 01:09:54,880 Speaker 1: pill and that stuff, well, if you enjoyed this this 1306 01:09:54,920 --> 01:09:56,920 Speaker 1: show that, I'm sure you would enjoy that podcast, So 1307 01:09:57,520 --> 01:09:59,880 Speaker 1: um go check that out. So with that, we're gonna 1308 01:09:59,880 --> 01:10:01,160 Speaker 1: go and wrap it up. Thanks so much for joining 1309 01:10:01,200 --> 01:10:04,120 Speaker 1: us today. Thanks a little MANKA really really appreciate a man, 1310 01:10:04,320 --> 01:10:05,479 Speaker 1: all right, h