1 00:00:03,840 --> 00:00:05,360 Speaker 1: Ron and Nanian. When I was a kid, my mom 2 00:00:05,400 --> 00:00:06,800 Speaker 1: us to tie a pork chomp around my neck. They 3 00:00:06,800 --> 00:00:09,920 Speaker 1: get the dogs to play with me. You know, but 4 00:00:10,360 --> 00:00:12,559 Speaker 1: I wasn't really popular. What can I tell you? I 5 00:00:12,600 --> 00:00:15,520 Speaker 1: get no respect. They'll don't start with that Rodney Dangerfield stuff. 6 00:00:15,520 --> 00:00:16,759 Speaker 1: I don't want to hear any of that, So I 7 00:00:16,840 --> 00:00:18,880 Speaker 1: get no respect. I get no respect. I'll tell it away. 8 00:00:18,960 --> 00:00:21,200 Speaker 1: Some people give me directions. You can't help but get lost. 9 00:00:21,560 --> 00:00:24,360 Speaker 1: They always tell me the same thing. Let's go straight ahead, 10 00:00:24,480 --> 00:00:27,080 Speaker 1: you can miss it. Just keep going straight ahead. I mean, 11 00:00:27,080 --> 00:00:29,479 Speaker 1: as soon as I pull away, I come to my 12 00:00:29,520 --> 00:00:32,080 Speaker 1: whole life. I don't get no respect. That car doctor, 13 00:00:32,200 --> 00:00:37,720 Speaker 1: you got me into this. I called last week about 14 00:00:38,120 --> 00:00:42,720 Speaker 1: my ship we Blazer. You went back thirteen years, Bob. 15 00:00:42,760 --> 00:00:44,440 Speaker 1: Now you gotta go to twenty six and a half 16 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:47,239 Speaker 1: years back with me. Welcome to the radio home of 17 00:00:47,400 --> 00:00:51,680 Speaker 1: Ron and Nanian, the Car Doctor. Since this is where 18 00:00:51,720 --> 00:00:55,600 Speaker 1: car owners the world overturned to for their definitive opinion 19 00:00:55,640 --> 00:00:59,520 Speaker 1: on automotive repair. If you're mechanics giving you a busy signal, 20 00:00:59,720 --> 00:01:02,600 Speaker 1: pick up the phone and call in the garage to 21 00:01:02,720 --> 00:01:04,840 Speaker 1: orders are open. But I am here to take your 22 00:01:04,880 --> 00:01:15,320 Speaker 1: calls at and now running. You know, Tom raised a 23 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:18,720 Speaker 1: dangerous man with an editor and a production studio. So, um, 24 00:01:18,760 --> 00:01:20,960 Speaker 1: thanks for another great open, Tom. I appreciate you and 25 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:23,479 Speaker 1: all that you do to uh the listeners do. I'm 26 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:25,680 Speaker 1: sure to bring me here each and every week, uh 27 00:01:25,680 --> 00:01:28,360 Speaker 1: into the sounds, into their to make the sounds into 28 00:01:28,360 --> 00:01:31,319 Speaker 1: their homes and devices. And and somebody asked to give 29 00:01:31,319 --> 00:01:34,480 Speaker 1: you some respect. Well, you know it's it's you know, 30 00:01:34,880 --> 00:01:38,000 Speaker 1: it's it's funny too, because there are some weeks you 31 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:40,919 Speaker 1: walk around saying to yourself, you know you think about 32 00:01:40,920 --> 00:01:44,240 Speaker 1: the show, and I do. I probably don't want to 33 00:01:44,240 --> 00:01:46,039 Speaker 1: admit it, but I do in the sense that you know, 34 00:01:46,160 --> 00:01:48,080 Speaker 1: was that the right answer? Was that the right answer? 35 00:01:48,440 --> 00:01:50,480 Speaker 1: Did I get? You know? Is there something more there? 36 00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:53,440 Speaker 1: Because your mind is always you're always you know, it's 37 00:01:53,480 --> 00:01:55,400 Speaker 1: like working It's like cars at the shop. Your mind 38 00:01:55,480 --> 00:01:57,800 Speaker 1: is you're watching TV at home, sitting on the couch, 39 00:01:57,880 --> 00:02:01,080 Speaker 1: but you're thinking about you know, is that wire? Did 40 00:02:01,120 --> 00:02:04,560 Speaker 1: that go? Could that? Because you're just working on so 41 00:02:04,600 --> 00:02:07,320 Speaker 1: many cars at once. But UM, I'm glad to be here, 42 00:02:07,360 --> 00:02:09,640 Speaker 1: Thank you. I want to talk about the Facebook page 43 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:12,560 Speaker 1: real quick before we go to the phones. Um, you know, 44 00:02:13,040 --> 00:02:15,080 Speaker 1: great questions up on the Facebook feed. In case you 45 00:02:15,080 --> 00:02:17,160 Speaker 1: don't know we're up on Facebook. You go to Ron 46 00:02:17,160 --> 00:02:19,880 Speaker 1: and any in the car Doctor and Tom very skillfully 47 00:02:19,960 --> 00:02:24,200 Speaker 1: simulcasts the broadcast show that you're hearing out on Facebook, 48 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:26,799 Speaker 1: so you can actually stream us via Facebook in case 49 00:02:26,840 --> 00:02:28,240 Speaker 1: you don't you know, you're in an area where you're 50 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:31,280 Speaker 1: not able to take the show as a broadcast subject, 51 00:02:31,440 --> 00:02:33,560 Speaker 1: or you know you're you're not a podcaster yet, you 52 00:02:33,600 --> 00:02:35,960 Speaker 1: don't have that proficiency, but maybe you're just doing Facebook 53 00:02:36,320 --> 00:02:38,480 Speaker 1: and um Elaine wrote. And there was two questions up 54 00:02:38,480 --> 00:02:41,040 Speaker 1: there today that kind of got my attention, Elaine wrote, 55 00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:42,720 Speaker 1: and she wanted to know the name of the radio station, 56 00:02:42,840 --> 00:02:45,880 Speaker 1: what time in the general Seattle Washington area. And I 57 00:02:45,919 --> 00:02:47,720 Speaker 1: explained to her, as I'm going to explain to you 58 00:02:47,800 --> 00:02:49,240 Speaker 1: that you know, I don't know at the top of 59 00:02:49,240 --> 00:02:50,800 Speaker 1: my head, but I can tell you this. The go 60 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:54,959 Speaker 1: to becomes the podcast. The podcast continues to thrive, and 61 00:02:55,280 --> 00:02:57,839 Speaker 1: you know, rest assured the podcast is the radio show. 62 00:02:57,880 --> 00:03:00,359 Speaker 1: And that's what I want to make clear here. People me, well, 63 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:02,000 Speaker 1: you know you do a separate podcast. We want to 64 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:04,360 Speaker 1: hear the radio show. No, the radio show on the 65 00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:08,760 Speaker 1: podcast are the same product, all right, they just take, um, 66 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:11,520 Speaker 1: they do some edits to some of the commercial content, 67 00:03:11,600 --> 00:03:13,560 Speaker 1: and obviously commercials have to be there at the end 68 00:03:13,600 --> 00:03:15,720 Speaker 1: of the day. This is you know, this has to 69 00:03:15,760 --> 00:03:19,040 Speaker 1: be a profitable business, um to to allow it to 70 00:03:19,080 --> 00:03:22,200 Speaker 1: exist at some point. And um, the podcast is the 71 00:03:22,280 --> 00:03:24,200 Speaker 1: radio show in essence. So you're listening to one of 72 00:03:24,240 --> 00:03:26,480 Speaker 1: the same and you can pick it up via any 73 00:03:26,480 --> 00:03:30,000 Speaker 1: one of the multiple sources Amazon, Google Play, Apple, Um, 74 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:32,399 Speaker 1: you know, go right to the I Heart Radio podcast 75 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:34,480 Speaker 1: website and you know, linked to us from there. But 76 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:36,240 Speaker 1: you can do that, and I explain that to her. 77 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:38,560 Speaker 1: And the second one came to us from Joe. Joe's 78 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:41,520 Speaker 1: a regular listener because I recognized the name. His question 79 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:46,640 Speaker 1: was about he has Chevy with miles on a six 80 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:50,240 Speaker 1: six Drmax Diesel. His GM certified warranty is about to 81 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:53,000 Speaker 1: expire on the bumper to bumper coverage, but he has 82 00:03:53,040 --> 00:03:57,240 Speaker 1: power train until thousand miles. And he asked me about 83 00:03:57,240 --> 00:04:00,720 Speaker 1: should he start looking into an extended service contract? And 84 00:04:01,080 --> 00:04:04,640 Speaker 1: I said yes, And here's the reason why. And diesel 85 00:04:04,920 --> 00:04:08,960 Speaker 1: is I think diesels are great, all right. I think 86 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:12,560 Speaker 1: they're a great vehicle. If you've got a specific application. 87 00:04:13,080 --> 00:04:14,880 Speaker 1: All right. There's two things that come to mind when 88 00:04:14,880 --> 00:04:16,680 Speaker 1: I when I want to talk about diesel. One is 89 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:18,640 Speaker 1: I've got to have an application for it. I don't 90 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:20,599 Speaker 1: think I could drive a diesel is my everyday commuter 91 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:22,799 Speaker 1: vehicle if I'm keeping the Cardo a hundred thousand miles, 92 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:24,760 Speaker 1: because I don't know if I could justify the cost, 93 00:04:24,880 --> 00:04:29,400 Speaker 1: because things can not always things can get to be expensive, 94 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:32,839 Speaker 1: all right. Number one. Number two, you've got to have 95 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:36,480 Speaker 1: a mechanic that understands diesel, all right, Bob's garage that 96 00:04:36,600 --> 00:04:38,960 Speaker 1: the guy that does all the gas engine work may 97 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:41,039 Speaker 1: not have a full understanding of diesel, may not have 98 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:44,159 Speaker 1: the tooling, may not have the schooling, And it's just 99 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:46,880 Speaker 1: critical because it just becomes part of the subject matter 100 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:49,159 Speaker 1: of what you're working on. That's number two. And number three, 101 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:51,800 Speaker 1: how long are you gonna keep it? Are you buying 102 00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:54,760 Speaker 1: that diesel at a possibly higher initial cost to keep 103 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:56,680 Speaker 1: it tow a hundred thousand miles or a hundred fifty 104 00:04:56,640 --> 00:04:58,720 Speaker 1: thousand miles and then get rid of it, or you're 105 00:04:58,720 --> 00:05:00,760 Speaker 1: gonna drive it for half a milli in miles, which 106 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:03,640 Speaker 1: in my mind, you know that's what a diesel should do. 107 00:05:04,200 --> 00:05:07,080 Speaker 1: A diesel has got to go a few hundred thousand miles, 108 00:05:07,680 --> 00:05:10,360 Speaker 1: and you know, you've got to be prepared for the expense. 109 00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:13,479 Speaker 1: You know, I often think about two years ago. I 110 00:05:13,520 --> 00:05:16,479 Speaker 1: often think about this young man lived in town, came 111 00:05:16,520 --> 00:05:19,960 Speaker 1: into the shop with a brand new F two fifty 112 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:23,200 Speaker 1: four diesel pickup. This is probably three years ago. And 113 00:05:23,240 --> 00:05:26,039 Speaker 1: I've known Gregory since he was a kid, and he 114 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:28,760 Speaker 1: was twenty two at the time. He had just purchased 115 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:31,560 Speaker 1: this truck. He was all excited. It was only you know, 116 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:33,640 Speaker 1: I think at the time it was only fifty three 117 00:05:33,640 --> 00:05:37,240 Speaker 1: thousand dollars only, and um, he took he took this 118 00:05:37,320 --> 00:05:39,800 Speaker 1: on like it was a mortgage payment. He was so excited. 119 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:42,080 Speaker 1: And I get that that's the right of passage, right 120 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:44,480 Speaker 1: you're growing up back in back in our day. It 121 00:05:44,560 --> 00:05:46,320 Speaker 1: was your board in l a D eight corvette or 122 00:05:46,320 --> 00:05:51,040 Speaker 1: a big block something from somebody, and it needed some work. 123 00:05:51,320 --> 00:05:53,839 Speaker 1: It was now out of it was approaching out of 124 00:05:53,839 --> 00:05:56,279 Speaker 1: warranty and it was going to be needing some work. 125 00:05:56,520 --> 00:05:59,800 Speaker 1: And he was asking me about an extended warranty contract. 126 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:04,360 Speaker 1: Where the conversation was going and as I explained to him, 127 00:06:04,360 --> 00:06:06,680 Speaker 1: as I explained to you, you've got to be prepared 128 00:06:06,680 --> 00:06:09,320 Speaker 1: for the long haul. You know, you can't look at 129 00:06:09,320 --> 00:06:12,640 Speaker 1: a diesel application as you're gonna keep it for fifty 130 00:06:12,720 --> 00:06:14,360 Speaker 1: or sixty or a hundred or a hundred and twenty 131 00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:17,040 Speaker 1: or hundred fifty thousand miles. I don't think it makes sense. 132 00:06:17,040 --> 00:06:19,400 Speaker 1: I don't think you can justify the expense. You've got 133 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:22,080 Speaker 1: to have a reason. You're either towing horses, towing a trailer, 134 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:25,080 Speaker 1: knocking down houses, or snow plowing. You know, it's something 135 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:28,279 Speaker 1: like that, and then you know, good gosh, the diesel 136 00:06:28,320 --> 00:06:30,560 Speaker 1: is great. But if you're buying a diesel just to 137 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:33,040 Speaker 1: join the crowd and say, oh I got a diesel, um, 138 00:06:33,279 --> 00:06:35,240 Speaker 1: I think you're gonna find it's gonna get expensive in 139 00:06:35,240 --> 00:06:37,360 Speaker 1: the long run. And that's what I told Joe. I said, 140 00:06:37,360 --> 00:06:39,320 Speaker 1: you know, Joe, I said, a service contract is great, 141 00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:40,760 Speaker 1: and you can probably get one from g M that 142 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:43,359 Speaker 1: will cover you at least two hundred thousand miles. And 143 00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:45,640 Speaker 1: g I would hope maybe he could get something after that. 144 00:06:46,279 --> 00:06:50,120 Speaker 1: But you've got to be prepared. A diesel breaks, and 145 00:06:50,440 --> 00:06:52,279 Speaker 1: I don't know, I think the numbers for a diesel 146 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:54,920 Speaker 1: repair start at five grand I really do. From what 147 00:06:54,960 --> 00:06:57,359 Speaker 1: I've seen, and you need injectors, you need globe plugs, 148 00:06:57,400 --> 00:07:01,480 Speaker 1: you need nozzles, control modules, you know the deep the 149 00:07:01,560 --> 00:07:05,200 Speaker 1: DPF systems um start to break. You know. It's a 150 00:07:05,240 --> 00:07:08,920 Speaker 1: couple of grand without even blinking. And it's great if 151 00:07:08,920 --> 00:07:10,720 Speaker 1: you're a business and you're writing it off or you've 152 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:12,720 Speaker 1: got to you've got a business expense and you've got 153 00:07:12,720 --> 00:07:14,400 Speaker 1: a reason to own that. But to drive that is 154 00:07:14,440 --> 00:07:17,840 Speaker 1: an everyday vehicle. I think that becomes an expensive folly. 155 00:07:17,960 --> 00:07:21,640 Speaker 1: So just be be weary of your choices. Um, you 156 00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:23,160 Speaker 1: know where you're trying to go and how you're trying 157 00:07:23,200 --> 00:07:25,280 Speaker 1: to get there. So just just my two cents. But 158 00:07:25,760 --> 00:07:27,800 Speaker 1: as always, I appreciate all that you guys do want 159 00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:30,080 Speaker 1: and you respond up on Facebook as well as everywhere else. 160 00:07:30,120 --> 00:07:32,280 Speaker 1: And UM, I know I've been a little bit behind 161 00:07:32,320 --> 00:07:34,160 Speaker 1: in questions. I've kind of been under the weather. I've 162 00:07:34,160 --> 00:07:35,840 Speaker 1: had I don't know if I told you guys this, 163 00:07:35,880 --> 00:07:38,720 Speaker 1: but I had COVID and I've been doing the show regardless, 164 00:07:38,760 --> 00:07:40,200 Speaker 1: just trying to, you know, make sure you guys get 165 00:07:40,200 --> 00:07:42,560 Speaker 1: your information. So I'm not looking for a pat on 166 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:44,840 Speaker 1: the back. I'm just telling you that, Um, you know, 167 00:07:44,960 --> 00:07:47,200 Speaker 1: I'm over it. So let's let's move forward. I beat 168 00:07:47,240 --> 00:07:50,560 Speaker 1: the vid Um. Let's go over and talk to Let's 169 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:53,520 Speaker 1: go talk to Mike and Delaware. Mike, Welcome to the car, doctor, sir, 170 00:07:53,560 --> 00:07:58,080 Speaker 1: how can I help? Hey? How are you doing? Um? 171 00:07:58,440 --> 00:08:02,240 Speaker 1: Gotta actually mind my uh my daughter has a twenty 172 00:08:02,360 --> 00:08:07,480 Speaker 1: tin uh pilot hand the pilot and it's got this 173 00:08:07,640 --> 00:08:10,640 Speaker 1: I've written with them several times. I jacked it up 174 00:08:10,680 --> 00:08:13,840 Speaker 1: myself and looked at it, you know, and there's a 175 00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:16,600 Speaker 1: there's a rattle in the front sounds like it's it's 176 00:08:16,600 --> 00:08:19,640 Speaker 1: in the runt in the front. Sounds like it's suspension. 177 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:24,160 Speaker 1: It's not a real loud, clunky you know, like uh, 178 00:08:24,400 --> 00:08:26,720 Speaker 1: going in gear out of gear kind of thing. It's 179 00:08:26,720 --> 00:08:29,920 Speaker 1: when you hit like a pothole or like a speed bump. 180 00:08:30,520 --> 00:08:33,199 Speaker 1: And it's not it's not a deep punk like wow, 181 00:08:33,240 --> 00:08:35,520 Speaker 1: I'm going to lose my front end. And it's not 182 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:37,560 Speaker 1: a real tenny like you know at some kind of 183 00:08:37,559 --> 00:08:41,000 Speaker 1: shield or something. It's like in the middle, concerned enough 184 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:43,680 Speaker 1: that it's but it seems like it's getting louder and 185 00:08:44,400 --> 00:08:47,360 Speaker 1: more frequent, like whatever it is is getting worse. Have 186 00:08:47,400 --> 00:08:50,040 Speaker 1: you run across to anything with us the plot like 187 00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:52,600 Speaker 1: that so you know cars in general, we've run across 188 00:08:52,600 --> 00:08:55,199 Speaker 1: a lot of that, and pilots too, you know, is it? 189 00:08:55,280 --> 00:08:56,760 Speaker 1: You know what I do is when I want to 190 00:08:56,760 --> 00:08:59,920 Speaker 1: diagnose this, you know, I'll take it for a road test, 191 00:08:59,800 --> 00:09:02,480 Speaker 1: and I'm gonna hit the same pothole first with the 192 00:09:02,520 --> 00:09:04,080 Speaker 1: left side of the car, then the right side of 193 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:06,640 Speaker 1: the car. Is the noise there only with the right 194 00:09:06,640 --> 00:09:08,679 Speaker 1: and not the left. Only with the left, not the right. 195 00:09:08,800 --> 00:09:11,640 Speaker 1: That tells me which side to go after. If it's 196 00:09:11,679 --> 00:09:14,520 Speaker 1: if it's louder when I hit a speed bump, that 197 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:16,920 Speaker 1: tells me it's probably both sides. If it's both left 198 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:18,959 Speaker 1: and right on the pothole, I go find a speed bump, 199 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:21,240 Speaker 1: and you know, I'm trying to see how and when 200 00:09:21,280 --> 00:09:23,760 Speaker 1: and what part of the suspension ah I compressing to 201 00:09:23,840 --> 00:09:26,040 Speaker 1: create that noise. Then I'll go back to the shop, 202 00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:29,080 Speaker 1: um up in the air and look for the obvious. 203 00:09:29,200 --> 00:09:31,439 Speaker 1: I think about sway bar links, I think about sway 204 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:35,640 Speaker 1: bar bushings. I think about individual strut mounts. You know, 205 00:09:35,720 --> 00:09:39,160 Speaker 1: a lot of times on a strut mount car, the 206 00:09:39,280 --> 00:09:43,400 Speaker 1: upper struct mount will start to compress over time, and 207 00:09:43,520 --> 00:09:47,800 Speaker 1: sometimes it's as simple as tightening that top strut nut 208 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:50,520 Speaker 1: you know the nut that actually holds the top strut 209 00:09:50,559 --> 00:09:56,400 Speaker 1: mount together, because it will it'll just move just enough now, 210 00:09:56,559 --> 00:10:00,560 Speaker 1: and I a couple of precautionary tails here, Mike. Um, 211 00:10:00,800 --> 00:10:05,319 Speaker 1: you know, it's not something I do with a ratchet 212 00:10:05,360 --> 00:10:07,360 Speaker 1: or a breaker bar. I want to use an impact 213 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:10,840 Speaker 1: wrench because I want that quick torque. I want that bang. 214 00:10:11,160 --> 00:10:12,960 Speaker 1: I want to be able to grab that nut and 215 00:10:13,040 --> 00:10:15,000 Speaker 1: spin it because otherwise I'm gonna end up turning the 216 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:17,320 Speaker 1: whole shaft. And what I could do then is I 217 00:10:17,320 --> 00:10:19,960 Speaker 1: could actually spin the coil spring out of its lower mountain, 218 00:10:20,040 --> 00:10:22,360 Speaker 1: create a disaster as well as get hurt. So I 219 00:10:22,360 --> 00:10:24,560 Speaker 1: don't want to do it that way. Um, you know 220 00:10:24,679 --> 00:10:27,079 Speaker 1: number one? Number two? Uh, you know, if I get 221 00:10:27,080 --> 00:10:29,240 Speaker 1: through Strutton Mount, if i'm if I see that it's 222 00:10:29,280 --> 00:10:32,360 Speaker 1: not sway bar link, if I see that it's nothing 223 00:10:32,480 --> 00:10:34,880 Speaker 1: visual and obvious, then I've got to get it over 224 00:10:34,920 --> 00:10:37,079 Speaker 1: onto the drive on wreck where we do the alignments, 225 00:10:37,120 --> 00:10:41,160 Speaker 1: because I want to see everything at road height or 226 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:44,560 Speaker 1: road angle, road load. All right. I don't you know, 227 00:10:44,559 --> 00:10:46,680 Speaker 1: because you're checking it two different ways. First, you're checking 228 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:49,400 Speaker 1: it on a hoist lift, so you're seeing the suspension hang, 229 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:51,920 Speaker 1: which is okay, and then you're gonna check it on 230 00:10:52,160 --> 00:10:56,440 Speaker 1: a drive on to see, you know, compressed at the 231 00:10:56,480 --> 00:10:58,760 Speaker 1: actual angle it is going down the road because you 232 00:10:58,800 --> 00:11:03,360 Speaker 1: will get to views, all right, you know it's it's 233 00:11:03,440 --> 00:11:07,199 Speaker 1: two completely different views of the undercarriage of the vehicle. 234 00:11:07,240 --> 00:11:09,400 Speaker 1: I don't care what it is in terms of how 235 00:11:09,440 --> 00:11:13,079 Speaker 1: things are loaded and how things are under duress. Now 236 00:11:13,480 --> 00:11:15,760 Speaker 1: what I start to get down to this level, I'm 237 00:11:15,760 --> 00:11:19,640 Speaker 1: looking at control arm Bushings. Does a control arm move 238 00:11:19,720 --> 00:11:21,760 Speaker 1: because it may not move hanging up in the air, 239 00:11:22,040 --> 00:11:24,720 Speaker 1: depending upon the style suspension, it may be under it 240 00:11:24,760 --> 00:11:26,840 Speaker 1: maybe under load from the strut of the spring or 241 00:11:26,880 --> 00:11:29,200 Speaker 1: some other reason that I won't see it until I 242 00:11:29,200 --> 00:11:31,440 Speaker 1: put it on a drive on. Putting it on jack 243 00:11:31,520 --> 00:11:36,040 Speaker 1: stands may do it. But honestly, you've got to put 244 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:38,040 Speaker 1: the jack stands so far out at the end of 245 00:11:38,040 --> 00:11:41,160 Speaker 1: the control arm, and I find because the back wheels 246 00:11:41,520 --> 00:11:44,040 Speaker 1: are you know, still on the ground, I still don't 247 00:11:44,080 --> 00:11:47,800 Speaker 1: get the same duplication duplication of load. Did I say 248 00:11:47,800 --> 00:11:49,880 Speaker 1: that right? That was a tough word to say. Duplication. Yeah, 249 00:11:49,880 --> 00:11:53,760 Speaker 1: there you go, um um of load so that I 250 00:11:53,800 --> 00:11:57,400 Speaker 1: won't see it, but you know, sway bar links Bushings 251 00:11:57,559 --> 00:12:01,400 Speaker 1: strut mounts, control arms and then the last thing I 252 00:12:01,440 --> 00:12:04,000 Speaker 1: will do to try and eliminate something like this, and 253 00:12:04,080 --> 00:12:07,000 Speaker 1: it actually becomes part of normal maintenance at the shop, 254 00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:08,920 Speaker 1: you know, when we do a thirty or a sixty 255 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:12,680 Speaker 1: or nine service on certain vehicles jeeps in particular, not 256 00:12:12,800 --> 00:12:14,920 Speaker 1: so much Hondas, but I just want to mention it 257 00:12:14,960 --> 00:12:17,760 Speaker 1: here because it is it is worthwhile. I think, Um, 258 00:12:17,920 --> 00:12:20,840 Speaker 1: we will actually go around, spend you know, ten fifteen 259 00:12:20,880 --> 00:12:23,840 Speaker 1: minutes and go around the front suspension, rear suspension and 260 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:27,160 Speaker 1: tighten things. You know, grab of twenty one, grab and eighteen, 261 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:29,720 Speaker 1: grab of seventeen and just see are there any nuts, 262 00:12:29,720 --> 00:12:31,560 Speaker 1: loices or anything that just needs a little bit of 263 00:12:31,559 --> 00:12:34,200 Speaker 1: a tweak and you'd be amazed. You know, think about 264 00:12:34,200 --> 00:12:37,120 Speaker 1: the potholes you drive over. That's and if it rattles 265 00:12:37,160 --> 00:12:40,440 Speaker 1: your filings, fillings, it's rattling the car, and you'll be 266 00:12:40,480 --> 00:12:44,280 Speaker 1: amazed how things shift loosen up and you know, lose 267 00:12:44,360 --> 00:12:47,559 Speaker 1: their lose their set from the factory, and that will 268 00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:51,160 Speaker 1: make some of these rattles disappear. So um, just just 269 00:12:51,160 --> 00:12:52,880 Speaker 1: just my perspective. I'll tell you what if you have 270 00:12:52,880 --> 00:12:54,360 Speaker 1: a certain question, Mike, because let me pull over and 271 00:12:54,360 --> 00:12:56,760 Speaker 1: take a pause, um, and we can come back to it. 272 00:12:56,800 --> 00:13:01,120 Speaker 1: Is that okay? Okay? Know a second question. Stay right 273 00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:02,440 Speaker 1: where you are, sir, I'm running any of the car 274 00:13:02,480 --> 00:13:17,360 Speaker 1: doctor will be back right after this. I've got time 275 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:22,080 Speaker 1: right it on the wall, so you don't forget to 276 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:24,800 Speaker 1: call for a car advice. Done right? Eight five five 277 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:29,480 Speaker 1: five zero nine zero zero. Now back to Ron. Hey Mike, 278 00:13:29,559 --> 00:13:35,640 Speaker 1: are you still there, sir? Yes? Or so? Your second question? Okay, 279 00:13:35,679 --> 00:13:40,520 Speaker 1: second question. I have a eighteen Toyota Tacoma with a 280 00:13:40,600 --> 00:13:43,880 Speaker 1: three point five V six and it's got about forty 281 00:13:43,920 --> 00:13:47,520 Speaker 1: two miles on it. What I've noticed since probably about 282 00:13:47,520 --> 00:13:52,600 Speaker 1: thirty thousand until now is when you're trying to, let's say, 283 00:13:52,640 --> 00:13:58,240 Speaker 1: accelerate from a stop sign, and you're you can feather 284 00:13:58,320 --> 00:14:02,200 Speaker 1: it in pretty good. But if you try to aggressively, 285 00:14:03,400 --> 00:14:06,960 Speaker 1: well I say, midway aggressively leave the stop song, You'll 286 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:09,480 Speaker 1: keep pushing, pushing, pushing, nothing's happening, and then it just 287 00:14:09,559 --> 00:14:12,120 Speaker 1: like like dumps, like you know, like almost like you 288 00:14:12,280 --> 00:14:14,760 Speaker 1: just pulled off like floorty. You know what I mean. 289 00:14:17,200 --> 00:14:24,000 Speaker 1: There's there's an acceleration leg Yeah, that's exactly it. Okay, 290 00:14:24,080 --> 00:14:27,600 Speaker 1: So you know some of this could be quality a fuel. 291 00:14:28,440 --> 00:14:30,960 Speaker 1: You know, some of this could be there could be 292 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:33,160 Speaker 1: a software update. There's nothing in the top of my head, 293 00:14:33,240 --> 00:14:34,680 Speaker 1: you know, bolting or something. I have to do a 294 00:14:34,680 --> 00:14:37,480 Speaker 1: little research. But one of the common go to is 295 00:14:37,520 --> 00:14:40,200 Speaker 1: for something like that is I'd like to know um 296 00:14:40,320 --> 00:14:43,800 Speaker 1: cleanliness of the air filter. I know that sounds corny, 297 00:14:43,840 --> 00:14:46,520 Speaker 1: but you know sometimes it's the little things that make 298 00:14:46,560 --> 00:14:50,200 Speaker 1: a difference. And you say, since, you say, since thirty 299 00:14:50,360 --> 00:14:52,560 Speaker 1: was it service to thirty? Did it have a thirty 300 00:14:52,560 --> 00:14:59,120 Speaker 1: thousand mile service? It did? Had the dealer at the 301 00:14:59,160 --> 00:15:04,120 Speaker 1: dealing and I assume they replaced the air filter. I 302 00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:08,440 Speaker 1: actually believe it or not, they had not they had 303 00:15:08,800 --> 00:15:12,960 Speaker 1: And I changed duel at thirty and I was like, wow, 304 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:15,640 Speaker 1: this thing's never been changed. I changed at thirty, okay, 305 00:15:15,720 --> 00:15:18,080 Speaker 1: and you know it's it's in there correct and it's 306 00:15:18,080 --> 00:15:21,120 Speaker 1: a good quality filter. It's got good seal all the 307 00:15:21,160 --> 00:15:24,000 Speaker 1: way around and all and the duct is all correctly 308 00:15:24,040 --> 00:15:30,200 Speaker 1: reassembled then and I even double checked it, like ten, well, 309 00:15:30,280 --> 00:15:34,440 Speaker 1: ten twelve miles later. Filter is hardly even dirty, and 310 00:15:34,440 --> 00:15:36,920 Speaker 1: and and it's all it's all feeling goody good, And 311 00:15:37,080 --> 00:15:39,480 Speaker 1: the duct leading up to the engine, up to the 312 00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:42,440 Speaker 1: throttle body is intact. There's no cracks tears, you know. 313 00:15:42,600 --> 00:15:45,400 Speaker 1: Just just and I realized it's kind of earlier that 314 00:15:45,480 --> 00:15:46,720 Speaker 1: you know, But just I just want to cover the 315 00:15:46,760 --> 00:15:52,280 Speaker 1: basics first. So my next pay, my next point where 316 00:15:52,320 --> 00:15:54,960 Speaker 1: I would go with this is i would crack a 317 00:15:55,000 --> 00:15:57,640 Speaker 1: scan tool, have your mechanic crack a scan tool open, 318 00:15:57,680 --> 00:16:00,880 Speaker 1: and I'd watch fuel trimp. Does the engine do anything weird? 319 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:04,440 Speaker 1: Is my first thought. You know, this is like going 320 00:16:04,440 --> 00:16:05,840 Speaker 1: to the doctor and you tell him at doc, I'm 321 00:16:05,880 --> 00:16:07,680 Speaker 1: sitting there watching TV and every once in a while, 322 00:16:08,080 --> 00:16:10,320 Speaker 1: you know, my heart races and my pulse increases. On 323 00:16:10,320 --> 00:16:12,400 Speaker 1: all I'm doing is watching the evening news. Although that 324 00:16:12,480 --> 00:16:15,560 Speaker 1: might actually increase your pulse rating. Yeah, it's probably a bad, 325 00:16:15,800 --> 00:16:19,560 Speaker 1: bad example, but you get my point. Lately, Um, do 326 00:16:20,320 --> 00:16:22,280 Speaker 1: you know I would want to know? I'd i'd watch 327 00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:26,080 Speaker 1: fuel trim. Does fuel trim stay within normal parameters? Do 328 00:16:26,160 --> 00:16:27,840 Speaker 1: I have a fuel trim issue? Do I have a 329 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:30,240 Speaker 1: pending other fault? Do I have another fault code in there? 330 00:16:30,520 --> 00:16:33,760 Speaker 1: Because you know, again being procedural, I want to see things, 331 00:16:34,240 --> 00:16:35,920 Speaker 1: you know, I want to I want to do basics. 332 00:16:35,920 --> 00:16:37,440 Speaker 1: I want to do a heart rate and blood pressure 333 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:40,600 Speaker 1: and pulse and and and be aware because your description 334 00:16:40,720 --> 00:16:44,000 Speaker 1: is not normal. There should be a fault um, either 335 00:16:44,080 --> 00:16:47,560 Speaker 1: obvious or pending. That's that's beginning to show its head 336 00:16:48,280 --> 00:16:51,880 Speaker 1: where I where I would go after that is cleanliness 337 00:16:51,880 --> 00:16:54,480 Speaker 1: of the throttle body. You ever you ever look at 338 00:16:54,480 --> 00:16:56,480 Speaker 1: a modern day throttle body on on a on a 339 00:16:56,480 --> 00:16:58,680 Speaker 1: modern day vehicle, you know there's no mechanical link its 340 00:16:58,720 --> 00:17:02,480 Speaker 1: it's all electric, right, it's it's there's there's no mechanical 341 00:17:02,520 --> 00:17:05,920 Speaker 1: linkage anymore. There hasn't been in twenty five years, thirty years, 342 00:17:05,920 --> 00:17:08,719 Speaker 1: depending about how far back we want to go, and 343 00:17:08,920 --> 00:17:11,760 Speaker 1: it's all you know, it's it's an electronic motor with 344 00:17:11,800 --> 00:17:14,800 Speaker 1: a flap. And you know if you've ever had a 345 00:17:14,840 --> 00:17:18,480 Speaker 1: car with a heat or blend or gets stuck, same thing. 346 00:17:18,560 --> 00:17:21,040 Speaker 1: But now it's for the engine um. And I've had 347 00:17:21,080 --> 00:17:25,560 Speaker 1: cases where they will leg they will have some uh oh, 348 00:17:25,640 --> 00:17:27,959 Speaker 1: you know they're not as crisp and response as they 349 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:30,760 Speaker 1: could be. And it may not set a hard fault yet, 350 00:17:31,280 --> 00:17:33,439 Speaker 1: it may be about to. But I want to know, 351 00:17:33,560 --> 00:17:36,439 Speaker 1: you know, clean the throttle body. It's simple, as simple 352 00:17:36,480 --> 00:17:39,320 Speaker 1: as that, just making sure a throttle body cleanliness is 353 00:17:39,359 --> 00:17:43,680 Speaker 1: done properly and a reset of calibration after the fact, 354 00:17:44,440 --> 00:17:47,400 Speaker 1: and you know, just just to be sure. That's where 355 00:17:47,400 --> 00:17:50,080 Speaker 1: I would go with this, all right, But you know, 356 00:17:50,760 --> 00:17:54,400 Speaker 1: also also just consider where your fuel is coming from. 357 00:17:54,440 --> 00:17:56,600 Speaker 1: You know, and I'm not saying you are, but some 358 00:17:56,640 --> 00:17:59,880 Speaker 1: people will use a poor quality fuel or an inconsistent 359 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:02,159 Speaker 1: rand and blend the fuel and that creates an issue. 360 00:18:02,680 --> 00:18:07,320 Speaker 1: All right. Yeah, I there was a recall on the 361 00:18:07,359 --> 00:18:10,240 Speaker 1: fuel pumping and they got they know, they dropped the 362 00:18:10,280 --> 00:18:13,360 Speaker 1: bed and put a new fuel pump in there, and uh, 363 00:18:13,920 --> 00:18:15,840 Speaker 1: it seemed to help it right in the beginning for 364 00:18:15,880 --> 00:18:18,200 Speaker 1: a while, and it's sort of kind of dipped right back. Yeah. 365 00:18:18,200 --> 00:18:19,720 Speaker 1: And that's why I want to know fuel trim because 366 00:18:19,760 --> 00:18:22,160 Speaker 1: we've got a fuel delivery issue. Fuel pump will show, 367 00:18:22,320 --> 00:18:24,800 Speaker 1: fuel trim will tell us that. So do the things. 368 00:18:24,840 --> 00:18:26,520 Speaker 1: Like I said, call me back if you need more, Mike, 369 00:18:26,560 --> 00:18:27,800 Speaker 1: and I'm glad to talk to you about it. I'm 370 00:18:27,840 --> 00:18:29,600 Speaker 1: run on any of the car doctor, We'll return right 371 00:18:29,640 --> 00:18:52,600 Speaker 1: after this. Welcome back, are any of the car doctor here. 372 00:18:52,600 --> 00:18:54,320 Speaker 1: It's just a real quick I want to wish a 373 00:18:54,320 --> 00:18:56,200 Speaker 1: good shout out and a happy birthday to my buddy 374 00:18:56,280 --> 00:18:59,160 Speaker 1: Rodney out there in Pittsburgh. P A. He's celebrating this weekend, 375 00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:00,800 Speaker 1: and I know he's gonna can this when he listens 376 00:19:00,800 --> 00:19:02,760 Speaker 1: to the show. We wanted the surprise mean we show 377 00:19:02,760 --> 00:19:05,360 Speaker 1: a happy birthday. So Rodney, this one's for you and 378 00:19:05,600 --> 00:19:07,240 Speaker 1: many more, buddy, and I look forward to seeing you 379 00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:09,680 Speaker 1: again real soon. Let's get over to Jerry and Vermont 380 00:19:09,920 --> 00:19:12,280 Speaker 1: twelve Toyota camera and some kind of brake light issue 381 00:19:12,600 --> 00:19:14,479 Speaker 1: or brick lights are on. Jerry, what's going on? Run 382 00:19:14,520 --> 00:19:16,160 Speaker 1: on any and at your service or how can I help? 383 00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:20,800 Speaker 1: Hier On? Thanks for taking my call. You're welcome. Listen. Um, 384 00:19:20,840 --> 00:19:26,760 Speaker 1: my wife drives a camera and we're driving on particularly snowy, 385 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:30,000 Speaker 1: icy day and all the brake lights on the dash 386 00:19:30,040 --> 00:19:33,840 Speaker 1: came on ABS traction control and then the bright red 387 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:37,240 Speaker 1: breake light as if your parking break was on. UM 388 00:19:38,680 --> 00:19:43,800 Speaker 1: checked all the usual obvious E stuff uses, break, fluid level, 389 00:19:44,560 --> 00:19:49,240 Speaker 1: everything was good. Um, you take off in the car, 390 00:19:49,800 --> 00:19:54,000 Speaker 1: they'll they'll be off for maybe five miles and then 391 00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:57,440 Speaker 1: they all come back on again. Car seemed to stop. Well, 392 00:19:58,280 --> 00:20:03,200 Speaker 1: Um all that pulling codes? Yeah, I was gonna say, 393 00:20:03,240 --> 00:20:04,840 Speaker 1: did you put it? Was anybody able to pull codes 394 00:20:04,880 --> 00:20:08,520 Speaker 1: on it? I brought it to a shop the other 395 00:20:08,600 --> 00:20:11,080 Speaker 1: day and I, uh, I'm sorry, I don't have the 396 00:20:11,119 --> 00:20:15,600 Speaker 1: code numbers. But um, he cleared the codes um and 397 00:20:15,640 --> 00:20:18,639 Speaker 1: took it for a ride. Was it was? It? Was 398 00:20:18,680 --> 00:20:25,000 Speaker 1: it a c It sounds familiar, he said. He said, 399 00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:31,440 Speaker 1: both rear break lights were out right where the where 400 00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:32,960 Speaker 1: the brake lights out in the back of the car 401 00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:38,920 Speaker 1: when this problem happened. Okay, um, he said, when he 402 00:20:39,040 --> 00:20:41,000 Speaker 1: scanned it after he took it for a test drive 403 00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:44,240 Speaker 1: and the lights came back on that, Um, it was 404 00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:48,080 Speaker 1: both rear wheel sensors. I just found it kind of 405 00:20:48,160 --> 00:20:53,640 Speaker 1: unusual that both would be out at the same time. Too. 406 00:20:54,800 --> 00:20:59,080 Speaker 1: I would I would too, So, so here's bearings in 407 00:20:59,160 --> 00:21:03,479 Speaker 1: it before we go there? All right? And if if 408 00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:06,439 Speaker 1: he thinks it's if if if if he thinks this 409 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:10,520 Speaker 1: is lack of signal from rear wheel bearings or rear 410 00:21:10,760 --> 00:21:13,159 Speaker 1: rear sensors, and I agree, it's kind of weird that 411 00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:15,680 Speaker 1: both would fail at the same time. I would think 412 00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:19,840 Speaker 1: more along the lines of a connection, a splice, a 413 00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:23,280 Speaker 1: wiring issue. I would be looking at a wiring diagram 414 00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:25,560 Speaker 1: and saying, where do these signals go to? And how 415 00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:27,320 Speaker 1: do they get to the a BS computer? You know, 416 00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:28,680 Speaker 1: they got to get from the back to the front 417 00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:34,440 Speaker 1: of the car somehow, and I would I would. We 418 00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:36,760 Speaker 1: are unplugged him and cleaned the you know, the plugs 419 00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:39,720 Speaker 1: and put them back together. And that didn't seem to 420 00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:45,399 Speaker 1: do anything there. Um, So so let's do this, okay, um, 421 00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:47,919 Speaker 1: let's take the car for a ride. If he's got 422 00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:50,320 Speaker 1: any kind of a decent scan tool, you know, and 423 00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:52,760 Speaker 1: I think even a basic the basic ones that are 424 00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:55,000 Speaker 1: out there today will allow you going to the A 425 00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:58,639 Speaker 1: B S controller and read vehicle wheel speed and do 426 00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:02,680 Speaker 1: we see do you see the loss of both rear sensors? 427 00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:07,480 Speaker 1: If you see loss of signal from both rear sensors, okay, 428 00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:10,639 Speaker 1: and now let's let's let's take it a step further. 429 00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:14,040 Speaker 1: Now let's verify that. Let's let's go to the wiring. 430 00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:18,000 Speaker 1: Let's you know, maybe let's tap and put up. We 431 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:19,720 Speaker 1: could do it with a voltmeter, would be nicer with 432 00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:21,639 Speaker 1: a lab scope to go and look at A B 433 00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:25,800 Speaker 1: S signal output and just do one and hook up 434 00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:28,520 Speaker 1: one and with a scan tool, go look at the 435 00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:31,879 Speaker 1: two and if the A B S sensors on the 436 00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:35,199 Speaker 1: scan tool shows zero, but the lab scope shows that 437 00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:37,600 Speaker 1: it's working, and then you want to repeat it and 438 00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:39,800 Speaker 1: do it on the other side. Guess what, it's not 439 00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:44,480 Speaker 1: the sensors, all right, it's it's not. It's not. It 440 00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:46,560 Speaker 1: would not be the sensors if a lab scope is 441 00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:49,439 Speaker 1: proving when you go to the God forbid, you go 442 00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:51,120 Speaker 1: to the e er, what do they do? They hook 443 00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:52,639 Speaker 1: you up. They hook you up to the heart monitor. 444 00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:54,159 Speaker 1: Oh my, I have chest pains. They hook you up 445 00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:56,000 Speaker 1: to the heart monitor. Is he having a heart attack 446 00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:59,600 Speaker 1: or is it indigestion because he ate somewhere the wrong place? Right, 447 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:02,879 Speaker 1: So you know that little bouncing ball that deep and 448 00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:05,720 Speaker 1: you're watching the graph same thing. We're gonna graph a 449 00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:09,600 Speaker 1: wheel speed sensor, just like your heart rate. And you know, 450 00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:12,200 Speaker 1: do they know you're having a heart attack? No, because 451 00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:14,080 Speaker 1: you've got signal. Do we know the A B S 452 00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:16,600 Speaker 1: censor is bad? No, it's got signal, but it says 453 00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:20,080 Speaker 1: zero on the scan tool. Remember this too. A scan 454 00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:23,280 Speaker 1: tool is an interpretation from the vehicle computer and it's 455 00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:28,119 Speaker 1: interpreting data. So it's the accuracy of the data. It 456 00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:30,240 Speaker 1: may or may not have the ability in twelve to 457 00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:34,680 Speaker 1: look at circuit integrity or functionality, which came along later. 458 00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:37,680 Speaker 1: All right, So when you cycle the key, it will 459 00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:40,199 Speaker 1: do a circuit test and it's only got a signal 460 00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:43,840 Speaker 1: performance test, So I would be leary that it's both 461 00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:46,520 Speaker 1: until I prove it, because that's an expensive guess. If 462 00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:51,720 Speaker 1: we're guessing those those bearings are easily a piece plus labor. 463 00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:54,080 Speaker 1: So um, you know I would I would want to 464 00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:56,880 Speaker 1: know that for sure. So yeah, no, I've got I've 465 00:23:56,880 --> 00:24:00,040 Speaker 1: got the bearing sitting in my kitchen right now. And 466 00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:03,760 Speaker 1: based on the mileage that you know, it wouldn't bother 467 00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:08,000 Speaker 1: me to put them in anyway. It's seventy miles off. Sure, 468 00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:13,439 Speaker 1: I don't want to be guessing at this and for 469 00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:16,000 Speaker 1: no reason right now. Just to back up real quick 470 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:17,760 Speaker 1: before I let you go. If it turns out that 471 00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:22,359 Speaker 1: this this fold code is a C A Charlie A 472 00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:26,639 Speaker 1: C A C twelve six deals with break light switch issues, 473 00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:29,880 Speaker 1: which are very common on the twelves. But you would 474 00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:32,639 Speaker 1: generally see loss of break lights at the back and 475 00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:36,440 Speaker 1: the problem might be likely to occur more so stepping 476 00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:38,560 Speaker 1: on the break, driving down the road, that type of thing. 477 00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:41,720 Speaker 1: But don't rule that out eight either. So let's let's 478 00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:44,280 Speaker 1: back up. Let's go back to step one. Step one 479 00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:46,400 Speaker 1: codes are cleared to take the car for a ride, 480 00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:49,760 Speaker 1: scan it, what codes come back, and then we can 481 00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:51,960 Speaker 1: kind of talk from there, all right, sir, and then 482 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:54,400 Speaker 1: think about how you're gonna test that out. All right, 483 00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:57,840 Speaker 1: and I'm here for you. I'll see you next week. Fantastic, 484 00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:00,040 Speaker 1: Thanks Drawing, You're very welcome, Jerry. Yeah. Let's go a 485 00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:02,880 Speaker 1: this procedurally, folks. Let's make this one step at a time. 486 00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:04,880 Speaker 1: Before I go to John in Minnesota with a wild story, 487 00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:06,800 Speaker 1: let me pull over and take an early pause. When 488 00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:08,439 Speaker 1: we come back, we'll finish up this hour with the 489 00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:10,520 Speaker 1: last two calls. I'm running any in the car doctor, 490 00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:26,680 Speaker 1: don't go away, welcome back for name of the car doctor. 491 00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:28,680 Speaker 1: Let's get over to Let's go over to John in 492 00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:31,560 Speaker 1: Minnesota with a with a wild story. John up in 493 00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:37,320 Speaker 1: the car doctor, sir? What's going on? Ron? Yes, sir? Yeah. 494 00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:40,600 Speaker 1: Back And on mainteen seventy five, I worked for the 495 00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:46,200 Speaker 1: Montgomery Awards and a widow lady had purchased a car 496 00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:50,240 Speaker 1: from the dealer, and she came in and ordered tires 497 00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:52,159 Speaker 1: from us and set up an appointment. They had the 498 00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:55,399 Speaker 1: tires put on, and the day she was supposed to 499 00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:57,719 Speaker 1: come in, she called and had to canceled because they 500 00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:00,119 Speaker 1: had to put new rear brakes in the car the 501 00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:05,480 Speaker 1: chief purchased. The next day, they brought the car in 502 00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:09,800 Speaker 1: and we're putting tires on, and being naturally being curious, 503 00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:13,919 Speaker 1: I wanted to check on those brakes. The drums were 504 00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:16,920 Speaker 1: rusted on so hard. I tried all the usual things 505 00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:19,119 Speaker 1: to get them off, ended up having to use a 506 00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:21,640 Speaker 1: torch to eat them up and get them off. It's 507 00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:25,159 Speaker 1: never been changed. I just can't. I can't trust to 508 00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:29,040 Speaker 1: use car salesman. Yeah, you know, yeah, And I guess 509 00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:33,640 Speaker 1: it just it just really comes to light, right, um uh, 510 00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:36,400 Speaker 1: you know it's and I guess that's you know, it's 511 00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:38,320 Speaker 1: just it's people use the business as a way to 512 00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:42,320 Speaker 1: see so um. You know, it just becomes part of 513 00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:46,800 Speaker 1: the process. So I had another one that I that 514 00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:51,880 Speaker 1: was my fault. I graduated from vocational school and seventy 515 00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:56,200 Speaker 1: two and then I enlisted, and when I got out, 516 00:26:56,920 --> 00:27:00,400 Speaker 1: I started working for that Montgomery Awards store. And one 517 00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:03,520 Speaker 1: of the first days I was there there, Carr came 518 00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:06,600 Speaker 1: in to have the tires rotated. So I rotated them 519 00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:09,680 Speaker 1: the way I'd been taught, and I didn't think anything 520 00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:12,159 Speaker 1: of it. I had a couple of days off and 521 00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:15,800 Speaker 1: came back in and the senior guy there was really upset. 522 00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:18,800 Speaker 1: He was spinning the tires trying to get them balanced 523 00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:24,200 Speaker 1: and asked me what in the world I had done here? 524 00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:28,280 Speaker 1: I crossed him like I was taught. But while I 525 00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:32,680 Speaker 1: was overseas, they had come out with with radial tires. 526 00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:37,240 Speaker 1: Remember back then you could Yeah, sure, first generation tires 527 00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:41,240 Speaker 1: were positional, directional and positional. You couldn't move them and 528 00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:45,080 Speaker 1: you got into trouble doing that. Yeah, oh yeah, I 529 00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:47,640 Speaker 1: guess I think was bouncing all over the road. Yeah, 530 00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:51,600 Speaker 1: you know, you forge and you forget what a big deal. 531 00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:54,600 Speaker 1: And we're showing our age here, John, but you forget 532 00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:58,320 Speaker 1: what a big deal radial tires were right that they 533 00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:01,520 Speaker 1: you know are remember that. I remember the change from 534 00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:04,240 Speaker 1: bias ply to belted radial tires and how big a 535 00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:07,960 Speaker 1: deal it was, and um, you know it was, you know, 536 00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:13,440 Speaker 1: the status symbol then was I've got Michelin radials you know, uh, 537 00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:15,560 Speaker 1: you know they were, they were just like and they 538 00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:18,280 Speaker 1: were big bucks. But you noticed right away how much 539 00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:22,400 Speaker 1: smoother the car road and um, you know, big big 540 00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:25,480 Speaker 1: improvements in the business. Were you a mechanic long how long? 541 00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:29,320 Speaker 1: How long were you in the business? Off and on, 542 00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:36,000 Speaker 1: probably twenty years altogether. Yeah. I ended up ended up 543 00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:39,120 Speaker 1: getting laid off and went to work at the State 544 00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:41,200 Speaker 1: hospital for a few years before I could get into 545 00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:46,280 Speaker 1: the mechanic shop there, mechanic for the state, right, and 546 00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:49,640 Speaker 1: then when they closed out, I got on the highway department. 547 00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:53,960 Speaker 1: Have to work on them a little bit to her right, Yeah, 548 00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:56,520 Speaker 1: then that's that's got to be a mess of a job. 549 00:28:57,040 --> 00:29:01,840 Speaker 1: So but for another day, I'm still and I'm still 550 00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:04,200 Speaker 1: doing and just put a cultimator in my beauty crown 551 00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:07,880 Speaker 1: to blue yesterday's. Yeah. Somehow, once a mechanic, always a mechanic, 552 00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:10,000 Speaker 1: and uh, you know, it's it's just a hard thing 553 00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:12,480 Speaker 1: to get away from. Appreciate the call, John, You'll be well. 554 00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:15,040 Speaker 1: Let's go over and talk to Lenny in Connecticut with 555 00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:17,520 Speaker 1: a geep. Lenny, what years this vehicle? They didn't make 556 00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:22,520 Speaker 1: a compass? And oh five? First year compass was oh seven. Uh, 557 00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:24,800 Speaker 1: maybe I have the year wrong, but I thought it 558 00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:27,040 Speaker 1: was an oh five. Okay, so this is an O 559 00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:31,040 Speaker 1: seven compass? And which engine is this? The four cylinder, 560 00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:33,320 Speaker 1: the two point four I believe the two four. Okay, yeah, 561 00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:35,000 Speaker 1: because they had two four cylinders. They had a two 562 00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:37,480 Speaker 1: oh and a two four and and and and what 563 00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:42,400 Speaker 1: is this exactly doing? It's a crank no start and 564 00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:47,560 Speaker 1: U so the thunderbolt might on the dashboard came on. 565 00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:50,959 Speaker 1: This is actually my friend's farm helping him with So 566 00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:53,800 Speaker 1: the last time it happened, they replaced the throttle body 567 00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:56,040 Speaker 1: and it took care of the problems. So he was adamant, 568 00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:59,240 Speaker 1: just give me a throttle body. I'm like, that's not 569 00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:01,360 Speaker 1: the way to do it. But I got him one 570 00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:05,760 Speaker 1: in no start, So yeah, a little more. I mean, 571 00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:10,320 Speaker 1: if if if we're having you know, has anybody you know, 572 00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:14,000 Speaker 1: does anybody scan for codes? Well, yeah, I'm getting to that. 573 00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:16,680 Speaker 1: So I ended up doing a little more research and 574 00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:20,320 Speaker 1: I had him checked the relay packed in front of 575 00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:24,840 Speaker 1: the left front wheel behind the liner, and you found 576 00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:26,880 Speaker 1: the relay that was had the green crowd on it, 577 00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:29,040 Speaker 1: which I guess is kind of a common issue. So 578 00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:34,719 Speaker 1: after that, still cranks no start, So I ended up 579 00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:36,920 Speaker 1: scanning it. I got three codes. I got a P 580 00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:40,840 Speaker 1: zero six four two, which is a sensor reference voltage 581 00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:47,800 Speaker 1: one circuit low p accelerator pedal position center one circuit 582 00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:52,360 Speaker 1: low and a P zero six zero E, which is 583 00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:58,560 Speaker 1: I guess electronic throttle control level to TPS performance. Okay, Um, 584 00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:03,760 Speaker 1: so no, I'm just so, I'm not sure if I'm 585 00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:05,800 Speaker 1: going about this right way, but I guess I would 586 00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:08,600 Speaker 1: check my voltage and ground at the accelerator pedal and 587 00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:13,200 Speaker 1: then at the throttle exactly where I was gonna take you. Um, 588 00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:15,240 Speaker 1: the fact the fact that he's got the green crud 589 00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:18,560 Speaker 1: on the relay, not that not that that's not common, 590 00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:20,280 Speaker 1: but the fact that he's got the green crud on 591 00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:23,360 Speaker 1: the relay tells me that the environment this vehicle is 592 00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:26,760 Speaker 1: in is kind of abusive. And I would be suspect 593 00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:30,800 Speaker 1: of all wiring connections and plugs, and I would want 594 00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:33,960 Speaker 1: to I would want to verify power and grounds and um, 595 00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:36,920 Speaker 1: I would try and do a loaded test. You know 596 00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:39,800 Speaker 1: if if that's a five vault reference. I believe it's 597 00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:42,280 Speaker 1: gonna be a five vault reference at the pedal position 598 00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:44,120 Speaker 1: center and throttle body. But you need to check that 599 00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:46,600 Speaker 1: to make sure him right. If it is, will it 600 00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:49,880 Speaker 1: will it light a bulb? Um? You know I wanna 601 00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:53,280 Speaker 1: because any any meter is gonna flow, you know, it 602 00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:55,440 Speaker 1: doesn't think anything. The power of digital meter and show 603 00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:58,080 Speaker 1: five vaults or whatever the voltages. I'd like to see 604 00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:01,120 Speaker 1: it under duress um, just to see do I have that? 605 00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:03,320 Speaker 1: And then you know the ground leg Is it a 606 00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:05,240 Speaker 1: true ground? Is it a good ground? But I would 607 00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:08,800 Speaker 1: definitely when I'm getting multiple codes at opposite ends of 608 00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:12,400 Speaker 1: the spectrum UM and you're kind of approaching that, I 609 00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:15,680 Speaker 1: would start to think about, you know, what do I 610 00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:18,520 Speaker 1: have here? Do I have? UM? Do I have faults 611 00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:21,360 Speaker 1: that are related to wiring? And then you know, while 612 00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:25,560 Speaker 1: it's in this crank no start condition just to cover it? 613 00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:28,000 Speaker 1: Do I have inject or pulse? Do I have spark? 614 00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:32,120 Speaker 1: I don't. I don't have a spark because I did. 615 00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:33,960 Speaker 1: I did pull the intake up on them off and 616 00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:37,560 Speaker 1: shot some starting food and I had in those starts. 617 00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:41,680 Speaker 1: So um. But by the same token, can you get 618 00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:45,760 Speaker 1: access to the injectors? Can you take a stethoscope and 619 00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:48,000 Speaker 1: while someone's cranking it, listen to see if the injectors 620 00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:52,320 Speaker 1: are clicking. I haven't gotten that far. It's it's the 621 00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:57,840 Speaker 1: weather got cold and yeah, now wait for a horn day. Yeah, yep, 622 00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:00,360 Speaker 1: But that's what I would do next, because if I've 623 00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:04,160 Speaker 1: got if I've got inject or pulse. If I've got spark, UM, 624 00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:06,840 Speaker 1: that tells me, okay, I've got the basics are there, 625 00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:09,720 Speaker 1: and I would start chasing wiring like you're doing and 626 00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:13,320 Speaker 1: approach it from that point of view. Just cover the basics. Sometimes, 627 00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:15,520 Speaker 1: like I always say, tell me what's good, I'll tell 628 00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:18,120 Speaker 1: you what's bad. So UM, give me a shout back 629 00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:19,800 Speaker 1: when you know more, Lenny, I'm running any of the 630 00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:32,240 Speaker 1: car doctor will return right after this, welcome back, unneeding 631 00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:35,000 Speaker 1: the car doctor. Just uh a quick piece of advice. 632 00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:39,200 Speaker 1: And I say this in all positivity. UM. Some news 633 00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:41,440 Speaker 1: came out recently and this was on a news break 634 00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:43,560 Speaker 1: dot com. Um. Just to be aware, just to make 635 00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:47,440 Speaker 1: everybody aware. And it's it's why recently someone asked us 636 00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:50,200 Speaker 1: to do a tire rotation on a Tesla. We turned 637 00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:54,280 Speaker 1: them down because of the way they support the vehicles. 638 00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:56,400 Speaker 1: Putting them up on the lift can do damage in 639 00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:59,440 Speaker 1: the lifts. We haven't modified the lists yet to accommodate that. 640 00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:03,520 Speaker 1: Recently in the news, a Mustang mock E owner was 641 00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:07,240 Speaker 1: charged thoud dollars to replace the damage battery for something 642 00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:09,520 Speaker 1: as simple as when the vehicle was towed. They towed 643 00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:11,279 Speaker 1: it wrong. On the flatbed. And this is really for 644 00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:13,359 Speaker 1: you guys out there driving the tow trucks and if 645 00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:16,200 Speaker 1: you're driving a Mustang Maki or any electric vehicle, And 646 00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:19,640 Speaker 1: that's my point that just be aware that it may 647 00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:23,359 Speaker 1: not be and it probably is not a traditional hook 648 00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:25,680 Speaker 1: up and tow type of operation. To get it up 649 00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:27,560 Speaker 1: on the bed. You've got to be sure how you're 650 00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:30,640 Speaker 1: supporting it, make sure you're trained on it, because grabbing 651 00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:33,320 Speaker 1: it at the wrong point. There are some very obvious 652 00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:36,640 Speaker 1: points on the Mustang Maki that looked like, hey, I 653 00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:39,839 Speaker 1: can support it here. Yeah, not so much. Um, that's 654 00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:42,439 Speaker 1: not the spot. And that's where this particular toe truck 655 00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:45,319 Speaker 1: grabbed it, loaded it onto the UH, loaded it onto 656 00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:48,359 Speaker 1: the bed, and they created a giant hole not only 657 00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:50,240 Speaker 1: in the floor pan of the vehicle, but actually damaged 658 00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:53,520 Speaker 1: the vehicle battery and hence they thod dollars to replace it. 659 00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:55,560 Speaker 1: So I don't want to anybody have any issues um 660 00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:58,560 Speaker 1: as electric vehicles continue to evolve, So I'll just be 661 00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:00,640 Speaker 1: aware of that and make sure you're hooked up and 662 00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:03,080 Speaker 1: towing from the right spot and make sure your guys 663 00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:05,960 Speaker 1: know where to uh where to support that vehicle. If 664 00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:09,440 Speaker 1: you're raising it up on the lift. Electric vehicles just 665 00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:11,480 Speaker 1: aren't supported the same way up in the air, and 666 00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:13,160 Speaker 1: we want to make sure you do it right. Until 667 00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:15,040 Speaker 1: the next time. I'm rounding any in the card doctor, 668 00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:17,360 Speaker 1: reminding each and every one of you a good mechanic 669 00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:22,479 Speaker 1: isn't expensive. He's priceless, see you, Yeah,