1 00:00:00,720 --> 00:00:02,920 Speaker 1: If I am six forty, you're listening to the John 2 00:00:02,960 --> 00:00:08,920 Speaker 1: and Ken Show on demand on the iHeartRadio app. We're 3 00:00:08,960 --> 00:00:10,560 Speaker 1: on the radio one till four, and then after four 4 00:00:10,600 --> 00:00:13,200 Speaker 1: o'clock you can hear it on the Johnny Can on 5 00:00:13,280 --> 00:00:15,360 Speaker 1: demand podcast Pick Up what you missed. 6 00:00:16,040 --> 00:00:19,840 Speaker 2: I'm looking at yet another Elsa Goundo Times editorial. In fact, 7 00:00:19,880 --> 00:00:23,720 Speaker 2: it was just published this afternoon. They're really quite unhappy 8 00:00:23,800 --> 00:00:27,680 Speaker 2: because as La County on Sunday moves to zero bail. 9 00:00:27,720 --> 00:00:30,440 Speaker 2: It was a decision that came from the County Superior Court. 10 00:00:30,920 --> 00:00:34,400 Speaker 2: There are not happy that La County officials and leaders 11 00:00:34,479 --> 00:00:38,320 Speaker 2: are not behind this to eliminate money bail. What's wrong 12 00:00:38,400 --> 00:00:40,960 Speaker 2: with them? They pick on the La County Board of Supervisors. 13 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:42,919 Speaker 2: They had a meeting on Tuesday where they talked about it, 14 00:00:43,200 --> 00:00:46,840 Speaker 2: and of course other elected officials and there's police chiefs 15 00:00:46,840 --> 00:00:50,840 Speaker 2: and such that aren't crazy about eliminating bail for most 16 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:52,560 Speaker 2: in fractions because this are. 17 00:00:52,440 --> 00:00:55,920 Speaker 1: Gonna create more theft, more crime, They're gonna steal more stuff. 18 00:00:56,480 --> 00:00:58,760 Speaker 1: There's not even a tiny bit of a speed bump. 19 00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:03,320 Speaker 1: But do you think any normal person, any normal person, 20 00:01:03,920 --> 00:01:08,840 Speaker 1: wants no bail, any normal person, Yes, any normal person 21 00:01:08,959 --> 00:01:12,640 Speaker 1: not a paid I mean, not a paid activist, not 22 00:01:12,680 --> 00:01:15,160 Speaker 1: a criminal. It's criminals and pays. 23 00:01:15,160 --> 00:01:17,360 Speaker 2: As I said, the voters in twenty twenty said no 24 00:01:17,560 --> 00:01:20,399 Speaker 2: to ending bail, right, it was a statewide ballot measure 25 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:23,880 Speaker 2: voted down. So here we are three years later and 26 00:01:23,959 --> 00:01:26,360 Speaker 2: the La County Superior Court says, eh, for a lot 27 00:01:26,360 --> 00:01:28,200 Speaker 2: of crimes, there's not going to be any bail. Let's 28 00:01:28,200 --> 00:01:31,560 Speaker 2: bring on like trolley KFI news for some reaction to this, 29 00:01:31,720 --> 00:01:33,479 Speaker 2: particularly from police chiefs and such. 30 00:01:34,160 --> 00:01:36,319 Speaker 1: Mike, what's going on, guys? 31 00:01:36,360 --> 00:01:40,200 Speaker 3: This reaction, Well, the reactions are pouring in from all over, 32 00:01:40,280 --> 00:01:44,959 Speaker 3: really from supervisors. I've spoke with their administration, supervisors themselves 33 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:48,040 Speaker 3: that say they're concerned, notably Catherine Barger. I spoke with 34 00:01:48,080 --> 00:01:51,840 Speaker 3: her yesterday. She says she's concerned. LAPD chief more issue 35 00:01:51,880 --> 00:01:55,040 Speaker 3: to statement saying he's concerned. He said that cash bail 36 00:01:55,200 --> 00:01:58,280 Speaker 3: historically saiding high cash bail has the turn crime in 37 00:01:58,360 --> 00:02:02,280 Speaker 3: the past. And even the day La County Sheriff Robert 38 00:02:02,360 --> 00:02:05,760 Speaker 3: Luna showed up till the La County Board of Supervisors 39 00:02:05,760 --> 00:02:08,560 Speaker 3: meaning to speak out against this, talk about his concerns 40 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:11,600 Speaker 3: with this. One of the concerns that Luna says, is 41 00:02:11,639 --> 00:02:13,800 Speaker 3: that this is going to cause people to lose faith 42 00:02:13,840 --> 00:02:17,240 Speaker 3: in law enforcement when they see people who've committed crimes 43 00:02:17,240 --> 00:02:20,800 Speaker 3: such as stealing cars, maybe some sort of burglary be 44 00:02:20,919 --> 00:02:24,320 Speaker 3: sided and released or booked and released. Just a recap 45 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:26,320 Speaker 3: of the system that the county is going to be 46 00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:29,520 Speaker 3: moving toward is a system where for a lot of 47 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:32,440 Speaker 3: crimes that are considered non violent and crimes that are 48 00:02:32,440 --> 00:02:35,880 Speaker 3: considered non serious, people will either be able to be 49 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:39,639 Speaker 3: booked and released, cided and released, or go to what's 50 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:43,440 Speaker 3: called a magistrate review. So if law enforcements feel that 51 00:02:43,520 --> 00:02:46,240 Speaker 3: the person that they've arrested is a threat to society 52 00:02:46,360 --> 00:02:48,600 Speaker 3: or will not show up to court, they can't have 53 00:02:48,639 --> 00:02:53,040 Speaker 3: a magistrate judge review that person and consider cash bail. 54 00:02:53,600 --> 00:02:56,160 Speaker 3: The La County Superior Court system, as you guys say, 55 00:02:56,160 --> 00:02:59,040 Speaker 3: they're the ones who did role this policy out and 56 00:02:59,080 --> 00:03:00,600 Speaker 3: they had to rep the O their day at an 57 00:03:00,680 --> 00:03:03,040 Speaker 3: La County Board of Supervisors, meaning the same one Robert 58 00:03:03,080 --> 00:03:05,800 Speaker 3: Luna showed up to to express his concerns, come out 59 00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:09,000 Speaker 3: and say that they've tried this system in the past 60 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:12,400 Speaker 3: and it's actually led to a decrease in rearrest. So 61 00:03:12,440 --> 00:03:14,600 Speaker 3: that comes from the La County Superior Court. 62 00:03:14,720 --> 00:03:18,720 Speaker 1: He's a liar. He's an absolute total liar. 63 00:03:19,440 --> 00:03:19,639 Speaker 4: Yeah. 64 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:22,680 Speaker 1: You know what happens is the cops stop arresting people 65 00:03:23,360 --> 00:03:25,880 Speaker 1: because what's the point of arresting them when they'll be 66 00:03:25,880 --> 00:03:30,919 Speaker 1: back out on the streets immediately immediately, I'll tell you what, So, 67 00:03:31,480 --> 00:03:33,920 Speaker 1: what's the point of arresting and then they don't show up. 68 00:03:34,240 --> 00:03:36,560 Speaker 1: That's what I'm hearing and reading is that you call 69 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:39,080 Speaker 1: and say, hey, my house is burglarized. I had a 70 00:03:39,120 --> 00:03:41,839 Speaker 1: shoplifter to hear in the store. Cops don't come. They say, 71 00:03:42,160 --> 00:03:45,040 Speaker 1: call it a report. So of course there's no more arrest. 72 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:49,160 Speaker 1: So of course the rate is down. It's all they planned. This, 73 00:03:49,160 --> 00:03:51,400 Speaker 1: This is all related, This is all connected. 74 00:03:53,240 --> 00:03:53,400 Speaker 4: Yeah. 75 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:55,120 Speaker 3: I want to go to some of the reaction that 76 00:03:55,160 --> 00:03:58,640 Speaker 3: we got, because besides the Superior Court, just about everybody 77 00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:00,800 Speaker 3: I've spoken with in law enforcement seems to think that 78 00:04:00,880 --> 00:04:03,240 Speaker 3: this is not a very good idea. I want to 79 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:06,000 Speaker 3: first go to this exchange that Sheriff Robert Luna had. 80 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:09,720 Speaker 3: This is by one with Supervisor Holly Mitchell, who seems 81 00:04:09,760 --> 00:04:13,560 Speaker 3: to be Supervisor Mitchell that seems to be in favor 82 00:04:13,640 --> 00:04:15,800 Speaker 3: of the fact that the court is moving away from 83 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:18,640 Speaker 3: a cash bail system, at least by her remarks. 84 00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:23,200 Speaker 5: We have to remain constitutional with the people that we arrest. 85 00:04:23,960 --> 00:04:29,839 Speaker 5: That's a fundamental duty. But we believe that the victims 86 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:33,080 Speaker 5: and survivors often get lost in these conversations. So I 87 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:35,560 Speaker 5: just want to make sure that we are all keeping 88 00:04:35,880 --> 00:04:40,839 Speaker 5: a balance between the suspects we arrest and the victims 89 00:04:40,839 --> 00:04:43,120 Speaker 5: and survivors that we serve on a daily basis. 90 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:43,920 Speaker 2: That we in law. 91 00:04:43,839 --> 00:04:47,240 Speaker 5: Enforcement see twenty four to seven, and we're the ones 92 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:50,000 Speaker 5: in front of these victims and have to look them 93 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:53,400 Speaker 5: in the face. Our detectives do and say, I know 94 00:04:53,480 --> 00:04:56,280 Speaker 5: this just happened, but the guy who did this to 95 00:04:56,320 --> 00:04:58,920 Speaker 5: you is out on the Streetia. 96 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:01,159 Speaker 4: It's a balance, It is now a foot balance. 97 00:05:01,200 --> 00:05:03,800 Speaker 6: And I will just say again that that would have 98 00:05:03,800 --> 00:05:06,600 Speaker 6: been no different if the guy who did that to 99 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:09,000 Speaker 6: me had the money to post bail. It would have 100 00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:12,880 Speaker 6: been no different and I would have been equally as 101 00:05:12,960 --> 00:05:17,320 Speaker 6: harmed and offended by that. And when we talk about victims, 102 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:21,760 Speaker 6: you know, when we talk about those who are incarcerated 103 00:05:21,880 --> 00:05:26,560 Speaker 6: pre trial, perhaps who are victims of crime while locked up, 104 00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:31,280 Speaker 6: we continue to talk about in custody deaths. 105 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:35,560 Speaker 2: When I think about victims. 106 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:39,480 Speaker 6: Both populations, those who are victims of a carceral system 107 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:42,880 Speaker 6: and those who are victims of crime. 108 00:05:43,600 --> 00:05:45,800 Speaker 1: It is a broad population. 109 00:05:46,760 --> 00:05:49,600 Speaker 6: I respect and honor the work that your deputies do 110 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:54,039 Speaker 6: on the street. I think that we have to be 111 00:05:54,279 --> 00:05:59,040 Speaker 6: clear and frank and and thoughtful about the language we use. 112 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:01,520 Speaker 2: You talk about accountability. 113 00:06:02,320 --> 00:06:05,839 Speaker 6: The bail system did not guarantee that the former bail 114 00:06:05,960 --> 00:06:10,920 Speaker 6: system did not reduce recidivism. We wouldn't be here your 115 00:06:11,240 --> 00:06:15,320 Speaker 6: county jail, our county jail wouldn't be populated at the 116 00:06:15,400 --> 00:06:18,080 Speaker 6: rate it was if that bail system was working in 117 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:20,920 Speaker 6: some meaningful way to reduce crime or reduce it. 118 00:06:21,040 --> 00:06:23,080 Speaker 2: Oh, I don't blame the bail system. Oh, you got 119 00:06:23,080 --> 00:06:25,400 Speaker 2: to be kidding me. Oh, this woman's nuts. I mean, 120 00:06:25,440 --> 00:06:26,200 Speaker 2: it was all there with the. 121 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:28,760 Speaker 3: Victim of the system. I figured you guys would want 122 00:06:28,760 --> 00:06:29,360 Speaker 3: to hear that one. 123 00:06:29,680 --> 00:06:33,320 Speaker 1: Oh my god, how do you argue with an insane person? 124 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:36,640 Speaker 1: He's insane, she's crazy, and the people who vote for 125 00:06:36,680 --> 00:06:37,280 Speaker 1: her are insane. 126 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:40,119 Speaker 2: Victims of the carceral system are like equal to actual 127 00:06:40,160 --> 00:06:41,559 Speaker 2: victims of crime. Wow. 128 00:06:42,320 --> 00:06:45,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, guy who gets in a fight in a jail 129 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:50,120 Speaker 1: cell is the same as some woman getting attacked in 130 00:06:50,200 --> 00:06:50,600 Speaker 1: her home. 131 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:51,800 Speaker 2: It's the same thing. 132 00:06:53,839 --> 00:06:57,280 Speaker 3: So I want to point out, Oh sorry, I was 133 00:06:57,279 --> 00:06:58,360 Speaker 3: just gonna say. One of the things I want to 134 00:06:58,360 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 3: point out is, you know, Governor knew Some He was 135 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:02,760 Speaker 3: in town today. He just sent millions of dollars to 136 00:07:02,880 --> 00:07:05,800 Speaker 3: La County to try and fight smash and grab robberies. 137 00:07:06,400 --> 00:07:08,160 Speaker 3: So I had a chance to catch up with Newsom 138 00:07:08,200 --> 00:07:10,600 Speaker 3: today and I had asked him if he's worried that 139 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:13,040 Speaker 3: he just dumped millions of dollars in La County and 140 00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:15,400 Speaker 3: if those efforts are going to be squashed by the 141 00:07:15,440 --> 00:07:17,360 Speaker 3: fact that now they're getting rid of cash bail. All 142 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:20,000 Speaker 3: these law enforcement officials seem to think that this is 143 00:07:20,080 --> 00:07:23,760 Speaker 3: really going to put a hamper on trying to deter crime. 144 00:07:24,320 --> 00:07:26,720 Speaker 3: I don't speak new Some, so I'm still honestly trying 145 00:07:26,760 --> 00:07:29,560 Speaker 3: to decipher exactly what his answer that he gave me was, 146 00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:31,280 Speaker 3: but what we can go to buy two real fast? 147 00:07:31,320 --> 00:07:34,760 Speaker 3: He did. He did ultimately say accountability is important with 148 00:07:34,880 --> 00:07:35,760 Speaker 3: the victims. 149 00:07:35,440 --> 00:07:37,840 Speaker 7: Of decision making around this, and it's time to get 150 00:07:37,920 --> 00:07:40,880 Speaker 7: more serious about it. And frankly, I'll say it a 151 00:07:40,960 --> 00:07:43,360 Speaker 7: hell of a lot tougher on these issues. It's a 152 00:07:43,400 --> 00:07:44,800 Speaker 7: disgrace happened. 153 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:46,040 Speaker 4: In Philadelphia yesterday. 154 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:47,600 Speaker 7: It's a disgrace, and. 155 00:07:47,520 --> 00:07:50,160 Speaker 4: It's happening in too many cities. It's not unique to California. 156 00:07:50,200 --> 00:07:53,320 Speaker 7: But what is unique in California is the tens of millions, 157 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:55,360 Speaker 7: the hundreds of millions of dollars we're investing in this 158 00:07:55,440 --> 00:07:57,880 Speaker 7: space and have been for the last few years, not 159 00:07:57,960 --> 00:08:01,040 Speaker 7: waiting for more headlines which you and I cannot bear, 160 00:08:01,760 --> 00:08:04,680 Speaker 7: but advancing prosecution and arrest and accountability. 161 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:06,600 Speaker 3: Also, what is somewhat unique is the fact that the 162 00:08:06,680 --> 00:08:09,200 Speaker 3: La County court system has decided to take on this 163 00:08:09,400 --> 00:08:11,480 Speaker 3: zero bail and for a lot of these instrans. 164 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:12,920 Speaker 4: Do you think this is the wrong time for that? 165 00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:14,560 Speaker 2: Yes, I mean it is what it is. 166 00:08:14,920 --> 00:08:18,400 Speaker 7: So I don't know this that we're speculating what the 167 00:08:18,440 --> 00:08:21,360 Speaker 7: impact will be prospectively, but we're all watching it obviously 168 00:08:21,480 --> 00:08:22,120 Speaker 7: very very closely. 169 00:08:22,760 --> 00:08:24,880 Speaker 2: Well, well that's a great one. Yes, you have to 170 00:08:24,880 --> 00:08:27,680 Speaker 2: speak newsome. We don't know. 171 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:29,960 Speaker 3: I listened to it five times be where we did 172 00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:31,880 Speaker 3: this it and I was like, I just can't even 173 00:08:31,960 --> 00:08:34,400 Speaker 3: try right now to sum up what he said. 174 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:39,040 Speaker 1: He's got this new shtick where he talks like he 175 00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:43,119 Speaker 1: empathizes with people's disgusted and fear. 176 00:08:44,840 --> 00:08:47,240 Speaker 2: And grabs. Right, but then when when Blake hits them 177 00:08:47,280 --> 00:08:48,800 Speaker 2: with well, we'll have what zero bail is going to 178 00:08:48,840 --> 00:08:51,480 Speaker 2: make this worse? Right, we don't know that. I can't 179 00:08:51,520 --> 00:08:54,680 Speaker 2: speak prospectively. He can't. 180 00:08:54,760 --> 00:08:58,240 Speaker 1: He can't say that that's a disgrace that the judge 181 00:08:58,280 --> 00:09:01,199 Speaker 1: who did this. It could work. Let's wait and say 182 00:09:01,240 --> 00:09:06,520 Speaker 1: it doesn't work. It doesn't work. It's obvious if you 183 00:09:06,720 --> 00:09:09,520 Speaker 1: give them bail and they can't get out because the 184 00:09:09,559 --> 00:09:11,880 Speaker 1: bail's too high, which is the way it should. 185 00:09:11,679 --> 00:09:13,240 Speaker 2: Be, then it works. 186 00:09:13,360 --> 00:09:16,320 Speaker 1: They can't steal anything and hurt anybody while they're stuck 187 00:09:16,320 --> 00:09:18,040 Speaker 1: in jail waiting a waiting trial. 188 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:21,040 Speaker 2: And then you know, if the zero bail applies to 189 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:23,719 Speaker 2: the smash and grabbers, I know, car thieves, but if 190 00:09:23,720 --> 00:09:26,360 Speaker 2: you actually went in and hammered opened a jewelry case, 191 00:09:26,640 --> 00:09:28,560 Speaker 2: would you qualify for zero bail? Do you know? 192 00:09:29,679 --> 00:09:30,000 Speaker 1: I know? 193 00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:32,520 Speaker 3: At one point during the board of supervis I actually 194 00:09:32,520 --> 00:09:34,160 Speaker 3: got a list guys, I'm going to send this over 195 00:09:34,200 --> 00:09:37,439 Speaker 3: to him about this study it myself. A police department 196 00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:39,600 Speaker 3: actually was nice enough to send me over the list 197 00:09:39,920 --> 00:09:42,080 Speaker 3: of what's going to go to cite release book and 198 00:09:42,160 --> 00:09:46,000 Speaker 3: release and magistrate review. Robert Luna. One of the things 199 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:50,719 Speaker 3: that he complimented the court system on yesterday, and mind you, 200 00:09:50,800 --> 00:09:53,120 Speaker 3: he was pretty much criticizing them in the entire time, 201 00:09:53,640 --> 00:09:57,240 Speaker 3: was that they put burglary under magistrate review. So I 202 00:09:57,280 --> 00:10:00,360 Speaker 3: wouldn't call that bail, but for burglary, and I know, 203 00:10:00,400 --> 00:10:02,200 Speaker 3: a lot of smash and grab actually just ends up 204 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:06,040 Speaker 3: becoming burglary, at least to his description, I would imagine 205 00:10:06,040 --> 00:10:09,000 Speaker 3: that would go to a magistrate review. But again, a 206 00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:13,560 Speaker 3: rep from La County DA George Gascone's office came in said, 207 00:10:13,600 --> 00:10:18,360 Speaker 3: Gascon's largely been a fan of bail review or bail reform, 208 00:10:18,679 --> 00:10:21,640 Speaker 3: but he's got his concerns about this because he feels 209 00:10:21,720 --> 00:10:24,000 Speaker 3: like a lot of the crimes that they're allowing to 210 00:10:24,080 --> 00:10:28,439 Speaker 3: go without bail. Gascon's office, his administration is saying, as 211 00:10:28,480 --> 00:10:31,120 Speaker 3: for you know, per George Gascon, even he's feeling like, hey, 212 00:10:31,160 --> 00:10:34,280 Speaker 3: some of these crimes probably should still be under bail. 213 00:10:34,320 --> 00:10:38,240 Speaker 1: And this is bail elimination. It's not bail reform. It's 214 00:10:38,280 --> 00:10:42,040 Speaker 1: bail elimination. What other everybody's using all this jargon. It's 215 00:10:42,160 --> 00:10:43,760 Speaker 1: zero bail, it's no bail. 216 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:45,439 Speaker 2: And my other question Blake, I don't know if you 217 00:10:45,480 --> 00:10:47,120 Speaker 2: know the answer to this. If you, let's say you 218 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:48,800 Speaker 2: steal a car and you get to zero bail, then 219 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:50,560 Speaker 2: you steal a car again, like a few days later, 220 00:10:50,840 --> 00:10:53,000 Speaker 2: you still get zero bail or there are consequences for that. 221 00:10:53,040 --> 00:10:56,600 Speaker 3: I highly doubt you would get zero bail again because 222 00:10:56,600 --> 00:11:00,320 Speaker 3: that magistrate review kicks in, and there's two metros that 223 00:11:00,320 --> 00:11:02,679 Speaker 3: they're using, and the two metrics that they're going to 224 00:11:02,760 --> 00:11:05,400 Speaker 3: be using for that magistrate review is how dangerous are 225 00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:08,760 Speaker 3: you to society and how likely are you to show 226 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:11,800 Speaker 3: up to courts? So with that previous arrest, I believe 227 00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:14,720 Speaker 3: that would probably be I mean, I'm just speculating here, 228 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:17,600 Speaker 3: but I would imagine that they would view you as 229 00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:20,040 Speaker 3: somebody who's high risk now to the public. 230 00:11:20,320 --> 00:11:22,120 Speaker 2: All right, Blake, great report, Thank you very much. 231 00:11:23,040 --> 00:11:23,800 Speaker 3: All Right, thanks guys. 232 00:11:23,920 --> 00:11:28,760 Speaker 1: I haven't memorized, you know, the bill that passed or 233 00:11:28,760 --> 00:11:32,800 Speaker 1: the referendum that passed. But if we did pass a 234 00:11:32,840 --> 00:11:37,840 Speaker 1: state referendum that outlawed the no bail law, then what 235 00:11:38,040 --> 00:11:38,560 Speaker 1: is this. 236 00:11:40,960 --> 00:11:44,080 Speaker 2: Well, yeah, you're right, the county's overridden it. You can 237 00:11:44,120 --> 00:11:47,040 Speaker 2: look it up. It's Proposition twenty five and it was 238 00:11:47,080 --> 00:11:50,560 Speaker 2: voted on November third, twenty twenty. That was Remember who 239 00:11:50,840 --> 00:11:52,920 Speaker 2: I came from, John, that's no bail, Bob, but Herzberg. 240 00:11:53,360 --> 00:11:56,200 Speaker 2: He drafted a bill in the state Assembly and the 241 00:11:56,200 --> 00:11:59,360 Speaker 2: state Senate, and the bail people forced it to go 242 00:11:59,360 --> 00:12:02,000 Speaker 2: to the ballot and the voters turned it down. Rice 243 00:12:02,080 --> 00:12:04,080 Speaker 2: was for no bail, but I don't remember all this 244 00:12:04,120 --> 00:12:04,960 Speaker 2: particulars of it. 245 00:12:05,120 --> 00:12:08,120 Speaker 1: All right, we got to get an outside expert. Somebody's ray. 246 00:12:08,280 --> 00:12:10,440 Speaker 1: Somebody's got to call an outside expert and explain this. 247 00:12:10,840 --> 00:12:13,040 Speaker 2: Well, that probably would be the bail people. They know, 248 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:14,880 Speaker 2: the bail bonds people they don't like. Yeah, all right, 249 00:12:14,880 --> 00:12:16,720 Speaker 2: we gotta take a break. Johnny n KFI AM six 250 00:12:16,840 --> 00:12:18,600 Speaker 2: forty live everywhere i Heeartradio app. 251 00:12:19,360 --> 00:12:22,720 Speaker 8: You're listening to John and Ken on demand from KFI 252 00:12:22,960 --> 00:12:23,880 Speaker 8: AM six forty. 253 00:12:25,559 --> 00:12:27,680 Speaker 2: All right, Well, we're talking about what's going to happen 254 00:12:27,920 --> 00:12:33,680 Speaker 2: beginning Sunday in Los Angeles County when zero bail takes effect. Now, 255 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:36,120 Speaker 2: not for all crimes, but you know, we've seen this 256 00:12:36,200 --> 00:12:39,559 Speaker 2: before on the state level. Non serious, non violent has 257 00:12:39,559 --> 00:12:41,520 Speaker 2: a way of becoming a slippery slope, doesn't it. 258 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:45,439 Speaker 1: Yeah, because they have weird definitions of what they think 259 00:12:46,160 --> 00:12:50,240 Speaker 1: what legislators think is a serious felony right or just 260 00:12:50,400 --> 00:12:53,600 Speaker 1: a felony, And it's not the definitions that normal people have. 261 00:12:54,520 --> 00:12:57,920 Speaker 2: Right now, I'm looking at Proposition twenty five was a 262 00:12:57,960 --> 00:13:02,320 Speaker 2: statewide measure that the voters turned down referendum on law 263 00:13:02,320 --> 00:13:05,520 Speaker 2: that replaces money bail with system based on public safety 264 00:13:05,559 --> 00:13:08,440 Speaker 2: and flight risk. This was the work of no Bail 265 00:13:08,480 --> 00:13:12,319 Speaker 2: Bob Hertzberg, and we cover this extensively back in twenty twenty. 266 00:13:12,760 --> 00:13:17,079 Speaker 2: And they passed this bill, but the bail bonds industry 267 00:13:17,360 --> 00:13:20,200 Speaker 2: collected enough signatures to force it to the ballot for 268 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:24,040 Speaker 2: us to vote on and it went down a no vote. 269 00:13:24,080 --> 00:13:26,280 Speaker 2: Means some people should continue to pay bail to be 270 00:13:26,280 --> 00:13:29,600 Speaker 2: released from jail before trial. Other people could continue to 271 00:13:29,640 --> 00:13:32,400 Speaker 2: be released without paying bail. Fees may continue to be 272 00:13:32,480 --> 00:13:34,320 Speaker 2: charged as a condition of release. 273 00:13:34,480 --> 00:13:38,240 Speaker 1: And it gives the county courts the duty to decide 274 00:13:38,240 --> 00:13:39,760 Speaker 1: what their bail schedule would be. 275 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:41,840 Speaker 2: And that's what happened then, So. 276 00:13:41,760 --> 00:13:46,560 Speaker 1: Then the presiding judge of a county court could decide. 277 00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:47,600 Speaker 2: Hey, no bail. 278 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:51,480 Speaker 1: Even though the state law for no bail was thrown 279 00:13:51,480 --> 00:13:55,200 Speaker 1: out by the voters, the county a county judge can 280 00:13:55,280 --> 00:13:56,800 Speaker 1: read they had. 281 00:13:56,720 --> 00:13:58,840 Speaker 2: They started with one judge and then I think it 282 00:13:58,880 --> 00:14:01,400 Speaker 2: was kind of a decision by the court in general, 283 00:14:01,440 --> 00:14:04,080 Speaker 2: the La County Superior Court. There was one judge that 284 00:14:04,120 --> 00:14:06,199 Speaker 2: started all this a few months ago when he declared 285 00:14:06,240 --> 00:14:09,840 Speaker 2: that the whole thing, it's unconstitutional to make people pay bail. Yes, 286 00:14:10,360 --> 00:14:13,400 Speaker 2: this way, only the wealthy will be out. This time 287 00:14:13,559 --> 00:14:16,439 Speaker 2: makes this argument too, No one should be held incarcerated 288 00:14:16,600 --> 00:14:20,040 Speaker 2: before they're convicted. Well, yeah, if they're a danger to society, 289 00:14:20,120 --> 00:14:20,680 Speaker 2: yeah they are. 290 00:14:21,240 --> 00:14:25,480 Speaker 1: Yes, Because nearly all the time, when you are arrested, 291 00:14:25,680 --> 00:14:29,080 Speaker 1: you're guilty of the crime, and you get your charges 292 00:14:29,160 --> 00:14:32,800 Speaker 1: knocked down because the district attorney's office is overworked with 293 00:14:32,840 --> 00:14:37,000 Speaker 1: too many cases. And now George Gascon doesn't prosecute many cases. 294 00:14:37,040 --> 00:14:41,080 Speaker 1: He has ten thousand of them backed up, ten thousand 295 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:44,480 Speaker 1: cases he hasn't prosecuted. So what happens is you commit 296 00:14:44,520 --> 00:14:47,840 Speaker 1: a crime today, it's going to get knocked down to nothing. 297 00:14:48,400 --> 00:14:51,600 Speaker 1: The charges will be dismissed, or it's a misdemeanor. It 298 00:14:51,640 --> 00:14:55,080 Speaker 1: doesn't mean you didn't commit a felony. You did. They're 299 00:14:55,120 --> 00:14:57,080 Speaker 1: just not going to follow through on it because they 300 00:14:57,080 --> 00:14:59,560 Speaker 1: don't have any time anymore. They don't have personnel, and 301 00:14:59,600 --> 00:15:02,240 Speaker 1: we have we have a lunatic who's the district attorney. 302 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:06,080 Speaker 2: And you heard it in the audio that was played 303 00:15:06,080 --> 00:15:09,440 Speaker 2: by Blake from LA County Supervisor Holly Mitchell, this is 304 00:15:09,440 --> 00:15:12,520 Speaker 2: the bigger picture. This bail battle is only a small battle. 305 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:16,040 Speaker 2: She actually said in that audio clip we played that 306 00:15:16,080 --> 00:15:17,840 Speaker 2: she has a lot of sympathy for those who are 307 00:15:17,880 --> 00:15:21,480 Speaker 2: victims of the carceral system. Those are key words. This 308 00:15:21,560 --> 00:15:23,200 Speaker 2: is the crowd. Remember we played the audio from the 309 00:15:23,240 --> 00:15:26,800 Speaker 2: Mayra Burbank this Constantine Anthony, same thing. Doesn't like the 310 00:15:26,880 --> 00:15:31,280 Speaker 2: carceral system, wants to end jailing people. Let's be clear 311 00:15:31,280 --> 00:15:34,160 Speaker 2: about that. This no bail thing is just a step 312 00:15:34,280 --> 00:15:34,760 Speaker 2: on the way to. 313 00:15:34,800 --> 00:15:38,840 Speaker 1: Doll that the crowd you see doing those smash and 314 00:15:38,920 --> 00:15:42,880 Speaker 1: grab mob theats, yes, you know at a Macy's or 315 00:15:42,880 --> 00:15:48,280 Speaker 1: a Nordstrums or that those people that you see in 316 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:54,640 Speaker 1: those videos. Holly Mitchell feels sorry for them and doesn't 317 00:15:54,640 --> 00:15:58,560 Speaker 1: want them incarcerated because they may become victims death, they'll 318 00:15:58,600 --> 00:16:02,440 Speaker 1: be abused, even though they spend their days stealing other 319 00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:09,280 Speaker 1: people's stuff. Now that is so ridiculously insane. But I 320 00:16:09,280 --> 00:16:12,480 Speaker 1: would say four out of five of the LA County supervisors, 321 00:16:12,520 --> 00:16:17,000 Speaker 1: all women, weirdly believe in this philosophy. So they don't 322 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:20,320 Speaker 1: care how many people get hurt, how much stuff is stolen, 323 00:16:20,600 --> 00:16:26,880 Speaker 1: how many businesses close up and leave, And they don't 324 00:16:26,920 --> 00:16:30,560 Speaker 1: care because the most important thing, above all else. 325 00:16:32,600 --> 00:16:36,720 Speaker 2: Is the condition of professional thieves. Oh yeah, the criminals 326 00:16:36,720 --> 00:16:37,960 Speaker 2: are more important than the victims. 327 00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:39,480 Speaker 1: They don't get hurt in prison. 328 00:16:39,880 --> 00:16:44,640 Speaker 2: Even their puppet Sheriff Luna, who was objecting to ending bail. 329 00:16:44,760 --> 00:16:47,040 Speaker 2: But you know what he said to the supervisors, Well, 330 00:16:47,280 --> 00:16:49,800 Speaker 2: you didn't give us the alternatives that you promised. Remember, 331 00:16:49,840 --> 00:16:51,440 Speaker 2: they had this idea that they're going to close all 332 00:16:51,520 --> 00:16:56,200 Speaker 2: the county jails and use substance abuse diversion, mental health diversion. 333 00:16:56,560 --> 00:16:58,280 Speaker 2: That's going to solve all the crime problems. 334 00:16:58,320 --> 00:17:01,000 Speaker 1: That was the Yeah, they spend the money anyway, and 335 00:17:01,040 --> 00:17:03,880 Speaker 1: they never set up these diversion programs or well that's 336 00:17:03,880 --> 00:17:04,480 Speaker 1: what he said. 337 00:17:04,280 --> 00:17:05,960 Speaker 2: You didn't give You didn't give me any of those tools, 338 00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:07,000 Speaker 2: an those. 339 00:17:06,960 --> 00:17:09,760 Speaker 1: That was the big stink and live Prop forty seven. 340 00:17:10,280 --> 00:17:14,040 Speaker 1: That was how they snookered a lot of people safe neighboring. 341 00:17:14,720 --> 00:17:15,240 Speaker 2: Yeah. 342 00:17:15,359 --> 00:17:18,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, they were supposed to give cities and counties all 343 00:17:18,440 --> 00:17:23,040 Speaker 1: sorts of money to rehabilitate, recondition all the thieves and 344 00:17:23,080 --> 00:17:24,720 Speaker 1: the drug addicts and the mental patients. 345 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:25,760 Speaker 2: None of that ever happened. 346 00:17:25,920 --> 00:17:28,080 Speaker 1: So now you have crime running all over the place, 347 00:17:28,200 --> 00:17:30,320 Speaker 1: and they all admit crime is running all over the place. 348 00:17:30,680 --> 00:17:34,560 Speaker 1: See in twenty fourteen, they denied this would happen. They 349 00:17:34,640 --> 00:17:38,679 Speaker 1: denied it, and then it happens. And now they're saying, well, 350 00:17:40,200 --> 00:17:44,560 Speaker 1: charging them bail that actually lowers crime, not putting them 351 00:17:44,560 --> 00:17:48,679 Speaker 1: in jail, lower's crime. Crime keeps going up like crazy. 352 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:51,240 Speaker 1: What are you talking about? What does lower crime? Well, 353 00:17:51,240 --> 00:17:53,760 Speaker 1: how could you say that no bail and no jail 354 00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:57,080 Speaker 1: lowers crime. We've been doing that and it's gone. It's 355 00:17:57,080 --> 00:17:58,000 Speaker 1: shooting through the roof. 356 00:17:58,960 --> 00:18:05,119 Speaker 2: I mean, in my insane. Somebody said sane. Now you're 357 00:18:05,160 --> 00:18:07,560 Speaker 2: insane of the whole world's insane. 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We just got this from an insider. 364 00:18:29,480 --> 00:18:32,320 Speaker 1: We were talking about how Sunday is the beginning of 365 00:18:32,680 --> 00:18:36,359 Speaker 1: the no bail era in La County, where now the 366 00:18:36,440 --> 00:18:40,040 Speaker 1: thieves can steal stuff, steal your car, and. 367 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:41,200 Speaker 2: UH, no bail. 368 00:18:42,359 --> 00:18:44,280 Speaker 1: You know, they can go right onto their next crime. 369 00:18:44,720 --> 00:18:48,280 Speaker 1: So somebody on the inside who works in UH, I 370 00:18:48,280 --> 00:18:49,960 Speaker 1: don't want to say which office, don't want to get 371 00:18:49,960 --> 00:18:53,359 Speaker 1: anybody in trouble, but pretty high up says there's another 372 00:18:53,720 --> 00:18:58,359 Speaker 1: another regulation called PC six twenty seven point one. It 373 00:18:58,400 --> 00:19:01,399 Speaker 1: allows somebody to re release on a citation even if 374 00:19:01,400 --> 00:19:04,200 Speaker 1: they have a warrant for their arrest. Happens all the time. 375 00:19:05,400 --> 00:19:08,159 Speaker 1: Someone has a few misdemeanor warrants and instead of being held, 376 00:19:08,520 --> 00:19:12,199 Speaker 1: the warrant is recalled and they're issued a citation to 377 00:19:12,240 --> 00:19:13,400 Speaker 1: appear in court. 378 00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:15,760 Speaker 2: It's ridiculous. 379 00:19:15,840 --> 00:19:17,959 Speaker 1: They have already shown they have no intention to appear, 380 00:19:18,080 --> 00:19:20,360 Speaker 1: and they get cited anyway. So that that is why 381 00:19:20,359 --> 00:19:23,520 Speaker 1: I'm calling bs on this idea that the second car 382 00:19:23,640 --> 00:19:26,040 Speaker 1: means that they're going to get bail. That we don't 383 00:19:26,080 --> 00:19:29,399 Speaker 1: know that because nobody none of this is a requirement. 384 00:19:30,800 --> 00:19:33,480 Speaker 1: You know, if you a magistrate is just a low 385 00:19:33,600 --> 00:19:36,720 Speaker 1: level judge, if he's got the same attitude, and apparently 386 00:19:36,840 --> 00:19:39,560 Speaker 1: quite a few of them do that. Nobody should be 387 00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:42,200 Speaker 1: put in jail because they could get hurt in jail. 388 00:19:42,520 --> 00:19:45,960 Speaker 1: These poor little criminals in the car serial system or 389 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:51,800 Speaker 1: whatever Kakamami phrase that, Carley Mitchell carcerals system. So they're 390 00:19:51,840 --> 00:19:55,359 Speaker 1: not they don't have to get bail the second time 391 00:19:55,520 --> 00:19:59,000 Speaker 1: they can, but they don't have to and they can 392 00:19:59,119 --> 00:19:59,880 Speaker 1: just get a site. 393 00:20:01,320 --> 00:20:02,760 Speaker 2: It's up to this magistrate. 394 00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:05,719 Speaker 1: I guess when you but when you skip bail, you're 395 00:20:05,760 --> 00:20:07,920 Speaker 1: supposed to get a warrant for your rest, except now 396 00:20:08,359 --> 00:20:12,080 Speaker 1: they don't. They don't follow through on warrants. They give 397 00:20:12,119 --> 00:20:16,200 Speaker 1: you another citation. Everything is being reduced to citations, parking 398 00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:17,200 Speaker 1: tickets basically. 399 00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:20,640 Speaker 2: But that's the end game of ending the car stole system. 400 00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:21,359 Speaker 2: That is right. 401 00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:23,200 Speaker 1: It's got to mean we were. 402 00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:25,320 Speaker 2: Fighting just you know, all the laws that they don't 403 00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:27,480 Speaker 2: want pass because it's going to add prison time or 404 00:20:27,480 --> 00:20:30,280 Speaker 2: create new crimes. This is another element of that. Let's 405 00:20:30,320 --> 00:20:32,760 Speaker 2: make sure people don't even serve time in jail after 406 00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:35,480 Speaker 2: they've committed a crime, right until they go through the 407 00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:37,719 Speaker 2: whole court system, and even if they're convicted. Let's make 408 00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:39,520 Speaker 2: sure it's a short term. It's short, a short, short, 409 00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:42,640 Speaker 2: short as possible, all right, we've got George Gascon who 410 00:20:42,640 --> 00:20:44,680 Speaker 2: thinks that what fifteen years is enough for any crime, 411 00:20:44,760 --> 00:20:47,720 Speaker 2: including the worst of the murders. Yeah, that's that's his philosophy. 412 00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:49,240 Speaker 2: And not alone. 413 00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:52,160 Speaker 1: As we told you last week, they are now. They 414 00:20:52,160 --> 00:21:00,800 Speaker 1: are now releasing criminals who got life sentences, elderly paroles. Yes, 415 00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:04,320 Speaker 1: murderers with life sentences. Suddenly it's not life anymore. It's 416 00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:06,560 Speaker 1: not like it's not life. 417 00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:08,760 Speaker 4: No. 418 00:21:08,840 --> 00:21:11,320 Speaker 2: They carried around that argument for years and the death penalty. 419 00:21:11,359 --> 00:21:13,879 Speaker 2: Go with l WOP. Now it's end to l wop, 420 00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:14,680 Speaker 2: go with parole. 421 00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:19,119 Speaker 1: Yes, and they'll keep going down the line. Okay, let's 422 00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:21,760 Speaker 1: end a bail for felonies. 423 00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:24,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. 424 00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:26,960 Speaker 1: So now it's the end bail for felonies. Now, if 425 00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:30,280 Speaker 1: you're caught with an arrest warrant, well, let's recall the 426 00:21:30,359 --> 00:21:32,920 Speaker 1: arrest warrant. You see, step by step some of this 427 00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:35,920 Speaker 1: stuff we don't even notice. Week by week, month by month, 428 00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:40,520 Speaker 1: there's fewer and fewer holds on a criminal, and. 429 00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:43,720 Speaker 2: There's always the assurances, don't worry, these are low level, 430 00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:45,879 Speaker 2: non violent offense. It's a crap they feed us when 431 00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:47,960 Speaker 2: they did that to ab one oh nine, which we 432 00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:50,840 Speaker 2: call the prisoner dumping bill. Oh these and these were 433 00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:55,720 Speaker 2: state prisoners. They're serious criminals, state prisoners. It takes a 434 00:21:55,720 --> 00:21:57,320 Speaker 2: lot to get sent to state prison. 435 00:21:57,400 --> 00:21:59,840 Speaker 1: They're lying, but you know, the average person, you could 436 00:21:59,880 --> 00:22:02,119 Speaker 1: lie to them and they'll believe it. Though not along 437 00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:04,480 Speaker 1: and say, oh, I see, I want to be on 438 00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:06,879 Speaker 1: the right side of this. I want to be on 439 00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:09,439 Speaker 1: the progressive, compassionate side of this. Yes, I agree, I 440 00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:11,359 Speaker 1: see to you. 441 00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:18,080 Speaker 2: Another element besides ending the carceral system is that California, 442 00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:21,639 Speaker 2: led by our state government governor and of course the legislature, 443 00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:25,120 Speaker 2: they'd also like to take over private industry. We told 444 00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:27,639 Speaker 2: you a couple of years ago. They passed the bill 445 00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:30,439 Speaker 2: which would set up a new board to regulate the 446 00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:33,919 Speaker 2: fast food industry in California. Remember that bill. Yes, it 447 00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:36,960 Speaker 2: was going to take effect, but the fast food industry 448 00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:41,240 Speaker 2: gathered signatures and it got put on hold. Well, apparently 449 00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:43,879 Speaker 2: the fast food people and this would be the corporate types, 450 00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:48,760 Speaker 2: reached an agreement with the legislature so that we're not 451 00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:51,200 Speaker 2: going to vote on ending their fast food bill, which 452 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:54,960 Speaker 2: would have set up that board. However, the concession by 453 00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:58,399 Speaker 2: the fast food industry is a new minimum wage for 454 00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:01,040 Speaker 2: fast food workers of twenty dollars an hour. Right now, 455 00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:03,520 Speaker 2: they're paid about sixteen dollars an hour fifteen to fifty 456 00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:09,639 Speaker 2: years ransom. Yes, in return allegedly have less power, but 457 00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:14,240 Speaker 2: the board can still raise the wages. It's still in there. 458 00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:19,040 Speaker 2: So Newsom signed the bill today. That's the news. So 459 00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:22,119 Speaker 2: it's now going to be an official thing that the 460 00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:24,639 Speaker 2: fast food workers are going to get twenty dollars an hour. 461 00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:27,640 Speaker 2: And we're seeing stories that this is going to absolutely 462 00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:31,280 Speaker 2: kill the franchisease. You know, everybody thinks. You know, McDonald's 463 00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:34,359 Speaker 2: is a big corporate conglomerate, and I'm sure their top 464 00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:37,399 Speaker 2: executives are paid many tens of millions of dollars. They 465 00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:40,240 Speaker 2: can afford this. No, a lot of your local McDonald's 466 00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:45,360 Speaker 2: are run by franchisees right who operate under the McDonald's banner. 467 00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:51,000 Speaker 2: But they have to make their restaurants work financially, and 468 00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:54,159 Speaker 2: if they have to start paying them sixteen dollars an 469 00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:57,560 Speaker 2: hour now up to twenty just like that, right are 470 00:23:57,640 --> 00:23:59,600 Speaker 2: now California fast food workers are in an average of 471 00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:02,560 Speaker 2: sixteen sixty an hour, that's about thirty four grand a year. 472 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:05,280 Speaker 2: But the new twenty dollars minimum wage is just the 473 00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:09,119 Speaker 2: starting point. The council has the power to increase that 474 00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:12,520 Speaker 2: wage every year through the year twenty twenty nine by 475 00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:15,560 Speaker 2: three and a half percent. Then what is the deal here? 476 00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:19,680 Speaker 1: If they're going from sixteen to twenty and it goes 477 00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:21,320 Speaker 1: up three and a half percent a year for the 478 00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:24,520 Speaker 1: next six years, then what is it that the restaurant 479 00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:25,480 Speaker 1: Association won. 480 00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:29,199 Speaker 2: I don't know. Supposedly they got some concessions that the 481 00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:33,080 Speaker 2: fast Food Board wouldn't be as powerful, but I'm not 482 00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:36,440 Speaker 2: seeing it in any stories. Maybe they thought the polling 483 00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:38,119 Speaker 2: wasn't on their side, so they kind of came to 484 00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:39,880 Speaker 2: their knees a bit and tried to get something out 485 00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:42,119 Speaker 2: of this. I don't know. I don't know what was 486 00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:43,840 Speaker 2: gonna happen with that ballot measure, but that killed the 487 00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:46,719 Speaker 2: ballot measure because they made this deal. But who's going 488 00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:48,600 Speaker 2: to get killed and we're looking at stories on this 489 00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:52,960 Speaker 2: is people that actually franchise. Those are men. By the way, 490 00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:54,840 Speaker 2: the bill applies to fast food change with at least 491 00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:59,560 Speaker 2: sixty locations nationwide, Their middle class business owners. People would 492 00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:05,160 Speaker 2: have the knowledge that you're not rewarding the McDonald's CEO. 493 00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:09,680 Speaker 2: You're rewarding the local guy who owns the business as 494 00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:12,880 Speaker 2: and as employing local people. Here's what I'm talking about. 495 00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:15,439 Speaker 2: A group claims that ninety five percent of the thirteen 496 00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:18,880 Speaker 2: hundred McDonald's restaurants in California are locally owned and operated 497 00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:23,440 Speaker 2: by small business owners. And this bill, this twenty dollars 498 00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:25,440 Speaker 2: an hour minimum wage, is going to cost them a 499 00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:28,600 Speaker 2: projected annual amount of two hundred and fifty grand per restaurant. 500 00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:37,600 Speaker 1: Because they're local, family owned, individually owned, and they license 501 00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:41,560 Speaker 1: the McDonald's name. They pay a fee to McDonald's to 502 00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:43,399 Speaker 1: use the name, and then. 503 00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:44,880 Speaker 2: They're subject to quality standards. 504 00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:47,159 Speaker 1: Right, they have to use the menu, they have to 505 00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:50,520 Speaker 1: cook all the food a certain way. It's the furnishings 506 00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:52,200 Speaker 1: in descorps have to be a certain way. 507 00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:55,360 Speaker 2: So but other than that, the success of the franchise 508 00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:57,359 Speaker 2: is up to them, right, And it's all about how 509 00:25:57,440 --> 00:25:59,320 Speaker 2: much they can charge and how much they can take in. 510 00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:03,000 Speaker 2: But now they're being told by the Communist State Board 511 00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:05,400 Speaker 2: of Sacramento they got to pay twenty dollars an hour 512 00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:07,680 Speaker 2: minimum to the burger flippers. 513 00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:10,960 Speaker 1: What a bunch of ignorant beliefs these these people. In second, 514 00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:12,520 Speaker 1: what is this gonna mean you can come back. It's 515 00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:14,679 Speaker 1: probably gonna go up in price. It's probably all they 516 00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:18,800 Speaker 1: can do. Right, Well, yeah, until people decide that it's 517 00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:21,400 Speaker 1: too expensive, I'm not going there anymore. 518 00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:23,520 Speaker 2: Right, they may find other ways to get their baby 519 00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:25,359 Speaker 2: a to go and make their own sandwich by buying 520 00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:27,200 Speaker 2: stuff at the grocery store or something like they're flipping 521 00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:29,880 Speaker 2: their own burgger at home, if you know. Because these 522 00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:33,560 Speaker 2: restaurants thrive on like their meal deals, that's really what 523 00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:35,920 Speaker 2: pushes everything. When you go to these fast food places, 524 00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:38,280 Speaker 2: there are two things you go for, cheap and fast. 525 00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:40,960 Speaker 2: And if you're gonna be paying everybody twenty dollars an hour, 526 00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:42,640 Speaker 2: is gonna cost you an extra two and fifty grand 527 00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:44,840 Speaker 2: a year to run the place and the price of 528 00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:47,399 Speaker 2: horse meat, you've got too choices, right, either lay people 529 00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:50,879 Speaker 2: off or raise the prices. That's what could happen. All right, 530 00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:52,840 Speaker 2: We got more coming up. Johnny Ken, KFI AM six 531 00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:54,840 Speaker 2: forty Live everywhere iHeartRadio app. 532 00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:59,000 Speaker 8: You're listening to John and Ken on demand from KFI 533 00:26:59,240 --> 00:26:59,920 Speaker 8: AM six four. 534 00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:05,760 Speaker 2: Well, we'll we talking about gas prices after three o'clock. 535 00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:07,560 Speaker 2: But right now, we just spent a lot of this 536 00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:09,240 Speaker 2: hour talking about people that want to get rid of 537 00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:11,399 Speaker 2: the karcial system, right, they want to end prisons as 538 00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:14,439 Speaker 2: we know it. We're seeing them in state government, federal government. 539 00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:18,159 Speaker 2: Now we turn our attention to another alternate universe person. 540 00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:21,600 Speaker 2: This one is dealing with the United States border with Mexico, 541 00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:25,000 Speaker 2: and of course we're being overrun. The border is not secure. 542 00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:29,000 Speaker 2: To even put it that way as to a huge understatement. 543 00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:29,800 Speaker 1: This is a. 544 00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:33,359 Speaker 2: Congresswoman from Massachusetts. You understand, it's worth playing the whole 545 00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:36,520 Speaker 2: thing because it's five minutes. She went on CNN and 546 00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:39,199 Speaker 2: she was talking to Jake Tapper about the border. Her 547 00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:46,560 Speaker 2: name is Ayana Presley, Democrat, Massachusetts. Here we go, cut eight. 548 00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:50,960 Speaker 9: Our border is secure, and we're in the midst of 549 00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:54,479 Speaker 9: humanitarian crisis, and we have to fix a broken system. 550 00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:56,760 Speaker 10: And you think it is secure, you think the border 551 00:27:56,840 --> 00:27:58,639 Speaker 10: is secure or it is not secure. 552 00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:01,639 Speaker 9: I believe that we are in the midst of a 553 00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:04,760 Speaker 9: humanitarian crisis and that needs to be federal investment to 554 00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:07,160 Speaker 9: support those migrant families. And I work with a number 555 00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:10,120 Speaker 9: of those community based organizations on the ground, and they 556 00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:13,639 Speaker 9: need more support. They need more federal support. This is 557 00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:17,000 Speaker 9: a humanitarian crisis and it's the consequence of a number 558 00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:22,960 Speaker 9: of long standing of broken policies that you know are 559 00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:27,639 Speaker 9: very consequential for asylum seekers, TPS holders and DOCTA recipients 560 00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:29,800 Speaker 9: that are written large. But that is a conversation for 561 00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:30,400 Speaker 9: another day. 562 00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:34,879 Speaker 10: I don't disagree with this being a humanitarian crisis at all, 563 00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:36,920 Speaker 10: but just to get some clarity on this, and sure, 564 00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:39,360 Speaker 10: that's a conversation for another day. But do you think 565 00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:42,440 Speaker 10: that the border is secure? Just is that what you said? 566 00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:45,640 Speaker 9: Yes, the border is secure, and we're in the midst 567 00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:48,600 Speaker 9: of a humanitarian crisis that has been created by a 568 00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:52,360 Speaker 9: broken system. And in the meantime, we need federal investment 569 00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:56,680 Speaker 9: to support my constituents and those who call the m 570 00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:59,200 Speaker 9: a seventh home writ large. Which is why we need 571 00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:03,160 Speaker 9: to prevent a government shutdown. I want to send her 572 00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:07,320 Speaker 9: the humanity, the dignity, the safety and the needs of everyone, 573 00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:10,840 Speaker 9: which is why we should not have a government shutdown. 574 00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:14,960 Speaker 9: It will be deeply consequential. It will create a dire 575 00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:18,880 Speaker 9: situation for families, many that are already struggling. 576 00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:22,440 Speaker 10: But if you have millions of undocumented migrants coming into 577 00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:24,000 Speaker 10: the country, how is the border secure. 578 00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:29,920 Speaker 9: This is not a new crisis. It does require uh 579 00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:37,840 Speaker 9: political will and commitment. It is a humanitarian crisis and 580 00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:41,440 Speaker 9: treated as such. And again representing one of the most 581 00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:46,520 Speaker 9: diverse constituencies in the country, and in fact, I chair 582 00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:49,080 Speaker 9: the House Haiti Caucus. I represent the third largest Haitian 583 00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:51,880 Speaker 9: diaspora in the country, and what I see on the 584 00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:58,080 Speaker 9: ground is community based organizations and municipalities who need federal support. 585 00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:01,080 Speaker 10: I'm not disagreeing with anything you're saying, except for the 586 00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:02,760 Speaker 10: idea that the border is secure. I mean, if you 587 00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:06,800 Speaker 10: have people crossing the border, it's just by definition not secure. 588 00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:09,480 Speaker 4: If you have people coming to the United States. 589 00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:13,560 Speaker 10: In fact, I mean one of the arguments being made, 590 00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:16,480 Speaker 10: and I think it's an argument worth considering, is that 591 00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:20,560 Speaker 10: because our border is so porous, millions of people make 592 00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:22,160 Speaker 10: this very unsafe journey. 593 00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:24,800 Speaker 4: Millions of people give money to. 594 00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:29,040 Speaker 10: People who pray on them coyotes and take them on 595 00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:33,320 Speaker 10: these journeys to cross into the United States, praying on 596 00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:38,440 Speaker 10: them vulnerable to people. And that's because the border is 597 00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:41,080 Speaker 10: not secure. Because it is not secure, they go on 598 00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:43,920 Speaker 10: this journey. And one of the arguments that is made, 599 00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:46,520 Speaker 10: and maybe you disagree with it, is that the border 600 00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:50,040 Speaker 10: should be secure so as to discourage people from making 601 00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:54,000 Speaker 10: this journey so that if people want to try to 602 00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:57,520 Speaker 10: come to the United States and declare asylum and seek asylum, 603 00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:01,280 Speaker 10: they go through the properris uh. 604 00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:02,880 Speaker 4: And not just try to cross illegally. 605 00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:07,120 Speaker 10: But it just seems like just such a refusal to 606 00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:09,760 Speaker 10: acknowledge reality, just to say that the border is secure 607 00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:13,200 Speaker 10: when we all know millions of people are crossing the 608 00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:15,920 Speaker 10: border illegally every year, Jake. 609 00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:20,240 Speaker 9: And that is a consequence of a number of things. 610 00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:27,440 Speaker 9: We have climate refugees, people don't the state stabilized by 611 00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:30,760 Speaker 9: extreme whether or it's we have people that are violence 612 00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:35,719 Speaker 9: and corruption, and so we just have to acknowledge why 613 00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:37,000 Speaker 9: someone would leave. 614 00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:43,360 Speaker 2: They're native. And by the way, apparently the interview ended, 615 00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:44,800 Speaker 2: she said, well, I really wanted to talk about the 616 00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:48,960 Speaker 2: government shutdown. This is a conversation for another But here's 617 00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:52,080 Speaker 2: the thing, here's the big takeaway, because she said it 618 00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:55,560 Speaker 2: fifty times, it's a humanitarian crisis. That means I want 619 00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:57,920 Speaker 2: open borders. I want the US to let anybody in 620 00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:00,520 Speaker 2: around the world that wants to come here because it 621 00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:02,200 Speaker 2: is that that's their code. 622 00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:05,440 Speaker 1: For or to the miditarian CRISTI to destroy the American 623 00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:06,440 Speaker 1: way of life. 624 00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:09,000 Speaker 2: America cannot take on all the people around the world 625 00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:11,920 Speaker 2: who want to leave their home. We cannot. It's tens 626 00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:14,520 Speaker 2: of millions, if not even a billion people it is. 627 00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:18,720 Speaker 1: It is paralyzing New York City. I saw one mayor, oh, 628 00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:22,080 Speaker 1: I think one of the officials in San Diego because 629 00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:25,440 Speaker 1: they're getting inundated with thousands. They got almost eight thousand 630 00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:30,520 Speaker 1: refugees sent to San Diego by the Biden administration. The 631 00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:31,760 Speaker 1: federal government sent them. 632 00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:33,520 Speaker 2: We had Jim Desmond on the other day to tell 633 00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:36,080 Speaker 2: us that the San Diego County supervisor has been talking 634 00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:36,360 Speaker 2: about it. 635 00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:39,920 Speaker 1: If it was Hammer somebody else. They said, they're telling 636 00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:42,440 Speaker 1: us that we're supposed to be spending money on these people. 637 00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:45,040 Speaker 1: Where am I supposed to cut it in the budget? 638 00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:47,200 Speaker 2: That's what he said. We need federal aid. The county 639 00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:47,840 Speaker 2: can't afford this. 640 00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:51,000 Speaker 1: What programs am I supposed to cut which go toward 641 00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:56,360 Speaker 1: the taxpayers, the Americans to pay the taxes. Suddenly, now 642 00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:59,520 Speaker 1: you can't get services from the government because we have 643 00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:02,920 Speaker 1: to give it to eight thousand new residents and there's 644 00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:05,520 Speaker 1: nowhere to put the eight thousand. San Diego's going nuts 645 00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:07,440 Speaker 1: trying to clean up all the homeless people in the 646 00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:11,600 Speaker 1: streets and now it's being replaced by these immigrants shipped 647 00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:12,720 Speaker 1: in by Joe Biden. 648 00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:15,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, this is a Wall Street Journal story that John's 649 00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:19,520 Speaker 2: talking about that San Diego has suddenly seen thousands of 650 00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:22,480 Speaker 2: migrants dropped off on their streets and they're declaring a 651 00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:25,440 Speaker 2: local emergency because they can't handle all this. Yeah, eight 652 00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:28,640 Speaker 2: thousand people in the past two weeks. All right, we 653 00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:31,160 Speaker 2: got war coming up. 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