1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:17,360 Speaker 1: M m m. Welcome back to another edition of the 2 00:00:17,360 --> 00:00:19,560 Speaker 1: Around the League Podcast. My name is Dan Hansons. I'm 3 00:00:19,640 --> 00:00:22,520 Speaker 1: joined by two heroes. On my right, Chris Westling and 4 00:00:22,560 --> 00:00:27,520 Speaker 1: on my center area Mark Scessler. How you doing, Oh man, 5 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:30,440 Speaker 1: I'm doing great? How you West? Couldn't be better? West 6 00:00:30,440 --> 00:00:32,479 Speaker 1: back in the studio. We called down to him. It 7 00:00:32,520 --> 00:00:35,720 Speaker 1: was kind of depressing doing the phone call down. But 8 00:00:35,800 --> 00:00:37,800 Speaker 1: now he's back in the big chair. It feels good, 9 00:00:37,840 --> 00:00:40,720 Speaker 1: doesn't it. West couldn't this is It's been a long 10 00:00:40,760 --> 00:00:43,400 Speaker 1: time coming. It's been three weeks now. Yes, um, a 11 00:00:43,440 --> 00:00:46,159 Speaker 1: couple We have to do a couple of bits of 12 00:00:46,159 --> 00:00:49,320 Speaker 1: housekeeping just to get going. Number One, Mark Sessler tell 13 00:00:49,400 --> 00:00:54,520 Speaker 1: us about iTunes. iTunes. So after a long odyssey in 14 00:00:54,560 --> 00:00:57,720 Speaker 1: the abyss where we've floated essentially nowhere on the internet 15 00:00:57,760 --> 00:00:59,520 Speaker 1: and we had, you know, it was nice to finally 16 00:00:59,720 --> 00:01:01,640 Speaker 1: real lies that there are some people out of that 17 00:01:01,640 --> 00:01:04,399 Speaker 1: actually faithfully listen to the show. And we're pinning us 18 00:01:04,440 --> 00:01:07,440 Speaker 1: individually on Twitter. Guys helped me out here. You're from 19 00:01:07,480 --> 00:01:10,000 Speaker 1: the NFL. You should easily have a show. How do 20 00:01:10,040 --> 00:01:11,720 Speaker 1: I find it? We had no answers, but we do 21 00:01:11,760 --> 00:01:15,440 Speaker 1: now we have an iTunes iTunes, a page built around 22 00:01:15,440 --> 00:01:18,679 Speaker 1: the show in RSS feed clicked in WILK. What's the 23 00:01:18,840 --> 00:01:20,640 Speaker 1: uh do we give them the address for us? We 24 00:01:20,720 --> 00:01:22,200 Speaker 1: just how do we get? How do you? I think 25 00:01:22,200 --> 00:01:25,880 Speaker 1: the easiest way is NFL dot com slash podcast right 26 00:01:25,920 --> 00:01:27,720 Speaker 1: on there at the bottom of that page, since we're 27 00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:31,039 Speaker 1: the most recent ones to get put at the bottom. Uh. 28 00:01:31,080 --> 00:01:33,280 Speaker 1: And there's a nice subscribe button on there. You can 29 00:01:33,640 --> 00:01:39,200 Speaker 1: subscribe through iTunes or any number of other podcast listening devices. Excellent. 30 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:41,119 Speaker 1: That is great news. Yeah, there was a time where 31 00:01:41,480 --> 00:01:44,760 Speaker 1: the previous iteration of this podcast, the A t L 32 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:47,840 Speaker 1: Debate Club, could only be found on Netscape. If you 33 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:50,320 Speaker 1: plugged in with a modem and then like you know, 34 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:53,080 Speaker 1: whished really hard, it would somehow pop up in your 35 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:56,480 Speaker 1: like a O L mailbox. But now you have many options, 36 00:01:56,480 --> 00:02:00,360 Speaker 1: so that's great. Also, we on Monday we spoke about uh. 37 00:02:00,440 --> 00:02:03,880 Speaker 1: The first subscriber to on iTunes to um the A 38 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:08,880 Speaker 1: t L Podcast would get a two thousand seven Tennessee 39 00:02:08,880 --> 00:02:11,920 Speaker 1: Titans Media Guide with Vince Young on the cover and 40 00:02:11,960 --> 00:02:16,400 Speaker 1: also a milar balloon UM for the Houston Texans. That 41 00:02:16,560 --> 00:02:21,239 Speaker 1: winner is Scott PRIs Bolinsky or pres Balinski. I apologize 42 00:02:21,280 --> 00:02:24,320 Speaker 1: if it's mispronounced there, but you are the winner. You're 43 00:02:24,320 --> 00:02:27,280 Speaker 1: the first to subscribe. And uh, we don't have that 44 00:02:27,360 --> 00:02:30,720 Speaker 1: Texans Milar balloon, but West is going to volunteer and 45 00:02:30,720 --> 00:02:33,440 Speaker 1: give up one of his Cincinnati Bengals milar balloons that 46 00:02:33,480 --> 00:02:36,280 Speaker 1: were giving away in a swag giveaway at the news room. 47 00:02:36,440 --> 00:02:40,120 Speaker 1: Does the average person know what a milar balloon? Pronouncing 48 00:02:40,120 --> 00:02:43,680 Speaker 1: it correctly? But listen, that's what's coming. So Scott, if 49 00:02:43,720 --> 00:02:45,399 Speaker 1: you are listening, and this will be a good test. 50 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:48,560 Speaker 1: If you're actually a fan, hit me up on Twitter 51 00:02:48,880 --> 00:02:52,040 Speaker 1: and we will get to you your prize. Um, all right, 52 00:02:52,280 --> 00:02:54,000 Speaker 1: coming up today, First of all, Greg ros and Tall, 53 00:02:54,040 --> 00:02:55,960 Speaker 1: our boss is in Canton at the Hall of Fame. 54 00:02:56,720 --> 00:02:59,960 Speaker 1: We will talk to him on Friday for the podcast. 55 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:02,760 Speaker 1: But coming up today we have Pro Bowl. There was 56 00:03:02,800 --> 00:03:06,280 Speaker 1: a big announcement, serious changes there. Um, we're gonna talk 57 00:03:06,320 --> 00:03:10,680 Speaker 1: some Percy Harvin who obviously is under the knife for 58 00:03:10,960 --> 00:03:14,160 Speaker 1: this hip surgery. He's gonna be out potentially until Thanksgiving. 59 00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:17,320 Speaker 1: But I think, uh, where we want to start is 60 00:03:17,760 --> 00:03:22,920 Speaker 1: the biggest news of today. Riley Cooper, the Eagles wide 61 00:03:22,919 --> 00:03:25,480 Speaker 1: receiver who we just spoke about on Monday as a 62 00:03:25,480 --> 00:03:27,120 Speaker 1: guy that was potentially going to have to make the 63 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:30,560 Speaker 1: leap now that Jeremy Macklin has done. He said some 64 00:03:30,639 --> 00:03:35,360 Speaker 1: pretty stupid things. Wes, He did say some stupid things. Uh, 65 00:03:35,440 --> 00:03:37,040 Speaker 1: I feel like if we talked about that, there's gonna 66 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:38,640 Speaker 1: be a hook coming out of the wall to kind 67 00:03:38,640 --> 00:03:40,160 Speaker 1: of take me out of my chair. If we talk 68 00:03:40,200 --> 00:03:42,840 Speaker 1: about race in America, it can't be done. There are 69 00:03:43,240 --> 00:03:45,840 Speaker 1: there are people who make a living being offended, so 70 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:49,200 Speaker 1: we have to be careful what we say. Well, I mean, listen, Cooper, 71 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:52,880 Speaker 1: what he did was legitimately offensive. He he apparently he 72 00:03:52,960 --> 00:03:55,760 Speaker 1: was at a Kenny Chesney concert, which is offensive to 73 00:03:55,760 --> 00:03:59,920 Speaker 1: start with, and he made a racial slur towards after 74 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:02,760 Speaker 1: an American security guard. Of course it's caught on Cameron, 75 00:04:02,800 --> 00:04:05,920 Speaker 1: and of course it surfaces quickly. Um, he was fined 76 00:04:05,960 --> 00:04:09,000 Speaker 1: by the team. Every all the you know statements came out, 77 00:04:09,160 --> 00:04:12,640 Speaker 1: you know, deriding him, and he came out. Now, well, 78 00:04:12,680 --> 00:04:16,640 Speaker 1: it's the Eagles in general, and I agree with Gregg's 79 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:20,239 Speaker 1: assessment on Saturday. The Eagles have a deep skill position 80 00:04:20,279 --> 00:04:24,120 Speaker 1: group at wide receiver. Yes they do. But nobody's mistaken 81 00:04:24,240 --> 00:04:28,719 Speaker 1: Riley Cooper, for you know, the next fantastic possession receiver, 82 00:04:28,760 --> 00:04:30,360 Speaker 1: a guy who's gonna burn you down the edge. He's 83 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:34,760 Speaker 1: an average receiver at best, and he's put himself in 84 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:37,520 Speaker 1: a bad position because he's certainly no one that general 85 00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:40,080 Speaker 1: population is rooting for when they're watching an Eagles game 86 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:41,880 Speaker 1: at this point. Although we forget about things in what 87 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:44,640 Speaker 1: twelve days, Yeah, well, this one is gonna be a 88 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:47,880 Speaker 1: little tougher to forget about, I would think for his teammates, 89 00:04:48,279 --> 00:04:50,839 Speaker 1: who you know, many of them are African American. Apparently, 90 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:53,400 Speaker 1: you know, right before we came upstairs to do the podcast, 91 00:04:54,040 --> 00:04:56,480 Speaker 1: we've gotten some word that you know, some teammates are 92 00:04:56,520 --> 00:04:58,600 Speaker 1: not speaking out saying that he did address the team 93 00:04:58,640 --> 00:05:01,719 Speaker 1: and they're willing to move forward from it. But it's 94 00:05:01,720 --> 00:05:03,600 Speaker 1: gonna be a tough spot. And I also think it's 95 00:05:03,880 --> 00:05:07,279 Speaker 1: uh something to keep an eye out, is Chip Kelly here. 96 00:05:07,320 --> 00:05:10,440 Speaker 1: This has been a tough few days for the new coach, 97 00:05:10,480 --> 00:05:13,599 Speaker 1: who is dealing with the Macklin and destruction restruction and 98 00:05:13,640 --> 00:05:16,280 Speaker 1: that goes with that after Jeremy maclam blue at the 99 00:05:16,279 --> 00:05:18,400 Speaker 1: a c L and now he has to you know, 100 00:05:18,440 --> 00:05:20,440 Speaker 1: he's dealing with some internal strife in the locker room. 101 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:23,279 Speaker 1: That's going to be a challenge. Yeah. I mean we 102 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:26,720 Speaker 1: talked about Macklin as being Chip Kelly's first sort of 103 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:29,880 Speaker 1: big test, and well, welcome to the NFL. Because I 104 00:05:29,920 --> 00:05:31,800 Speaker 1: think every one of these coaches it's like we're so 105 00:05:31,880 --> 00:05:33,680 Speaker 1: new into the season that whoever gets hit with the 106 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:36,560 Speaker 1: big injury or the big issue inside the locker room, 107 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:39,080 Speaker 1: it's like, oh, tough for Doug Moron or tough for 108 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:41,679 Speaker 1: Chip Kelly to deal with situation A or B. Kelly 109 00:05:41,760 --> 00:05:43,920 Speaker 1: is gonna deal with this, you know, week to week 110 00:05:43,960 --> 00:05:46,280 Speaker 1: in Philadelphia, right And it will be interesting to check 111 00:05:46,279 --> 00:05:48,599 Speaker 1: out Twitter and the next day or so, because yes, 112 00:05:48,640 --> 00:05:50,680 Speaker 1: I do think the story will go away pretty quickly. 113 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:52,760 Speaker 1: But right now it's what everyone wants to talk about. 114 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:56,280 Speaker 1: Marcus Vick, who I call the Frank stallone of the NFL, 115 00:05:56,720 --> 00:05:59,440 Speaker 1: Mike Vick's brother. Uh, he came out and put like 116 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:03,159 Speaker 1: a really meager amount of money as a bounty, thousand dollars, 117 00:06:03,440 --> 00:06:06,680 Speaker 1: which was for literally, when an NFL player sneezes, a 118 00:06:06,720 --> 00:06:09,640 Speaker 1: thousand dollars comes out of his nose. So I don't 119 00:06:09,640 --> 00:06:12,320 Speaker 1: think A the money's gonna tie him and be anybody 120 00:06:12,320 --> 00:06:14,279 Speaker 1: would take him up on the offer anyway. So you 121 00:06:14,320 --> 00:06:16,479 Speaker 1: have that type of idiocy floating around just kind of 122 00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:19,520 Speaker 1: like a stupid, ugly thing that would be best that 123 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:22,320 Speaker 1: we all kind of move past. So we're gonna move 124 00:06:22,400 --> 00:06:25,880 Speaker 1: past it. On the A t L Podcast transition, UH, 125 00:06:25,960 --> 00:06:29,400 Speaker 1: let's talk about the Pro Bowl. Um what West you wrote? 126 00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:31,880 Speaker 1: Are I did of the newspiece that gave kind of 127 00:06:31,920 --> 00:06:34,440 Speaker 1: more of the straightforward stuff that's going down there are 128 00:06:34,480 --> 00:06:37,080 Speaker 1: Now they're eliminating a f C versus NFC, which is 129 00:06:37,120 --> 00:06:40,040 Speaker 1: kind of insane to me, um as someone who grew 130 00:06:40,160 --> 00:06:42,400 Speaker 1: up watching the game, maybe not enjoying it that much, 131 00:06:42,400 --> 00:06:44,880 Speaker 1: but watching it and a bunch of other rules wes. 132 00:06:44,920 --> 00:06:46,840 Speaker 1: You wrote an opinion piece on it. What are your 133 00:06:46,880 --> 00:06:50,880 Speaker 1: thoughts about this game? The Switches do not address the problem, 134 00:06:50,920 --> 00:06:53,719 Speaker 1: which is fans are tired of watching a game where 135 00:06:53,720 --> 00:06:58,000 Speaker 1: players are making quote unquote business decisions. Deciding not to 136 00:06:58,080 --> 00:07:00,480 Speaker 1: play hard, not to tackle, not to block is hard. 137 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:03,960 Speaker 1: I thought our buddy Dave Damashek had a very good 138 00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:08,000 Speaker 1: idea ditch the Pro Bowl altogether and go with the 139 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:11,440 Speaker 1: Losera Bowl. The two teams with the worst records square 140 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:14,280 Speaker 1: off in the week between uh, the week before the 141 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:16,640 Speaker 1: Super Bowl, and the team that wins the game gets 142 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:19,440 Speaker 1: number one overall draft pick. I mean, that's high stakes. 143 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:22,640 Speaker 1: Let's put something on the line here, and a lot 144 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:26,120 Speaker 1: of Damascheck's ideas are actually secret, like sneaky brilliant. And 145 00:07:26,160 --> 00:07:28,680 Speaker 1: then when he if he hears this, he'll come down 146 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:30,640 Speaker 1: to the newsroom a couple of days and I'm like, oh, 147 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:32,600 Speaker 1: why has it got to be sneaky brilliant? It can't 148 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:35,280 Speaker 1: be brilliant, but it really is, because that's a game 149 00:07:35,320 --> 00:07:39,000 Speaker 1: that would have real steaks, whereas the built in issue 150 00:07:39,040 --> 00:07:41,120 Speaker 1: with this Pro Bowl you could do whatever you want, 151 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:43,480 Speaker 1: and Goodell is trying this. You can almost call it 152 00:07:43,480 --> 00:07:45,560 Speaker 1: a hail mary to try to fix this game and 153 00:07:45,560 --> 00:07:48,480 Speaker 1: and make it relevant. Um, but ultimately it's kind of 154 00:07:48,520 --> 00:07:52,200 Speaker 1: putting lipstick on a pig. And it's hard to fix 155 00:07:52,200 --> 00:07:55,440 Speaker 1: a game where the stakes aren't high, guys aren't gonna 156 00:07:55,440 --> 00:07:57,800 Speaker 1: go all out, and on top of it, it's after 157 00:07:57,840 --> 00:08:00,400 Speaker 1: the Super Bowl, so it's like nobody cares. Well, that's 158 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:02,200 Speaker 1: some big mistake right there. I think they're trying to 159 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:04,520 Speaker 1: speed the game up. I I don't think that the 160 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:07,600 Speaker 1: agents or the league's best kick returners are gonna be 161 00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:09,800 Speaker 1: excited about the fact that they've been removed from the equation. 162 00:08:10,200 --> 00:08:12,000 Speaker 1: But the issue I have that I think was a 163 00:08:12,040 --> 00:08:15,920 Speaker 1: Pete Prisco that brought up initially. What happens when you've 164 00:08:15,960 --> 00:08:18,800 Speaker 1: got Chandler Jones making his first Pro Bowl this season, 165 00:08:18,880 --> 00:08:22,160 Speaker 1: Dan's making the leap candidate squaring off on the team 166 00:08:22,280 --> 00:08:25,560 Speaker 1: across from Tom Brady about to light up his quarterback. 167 00:08:25,640 --> 00:08:27,960 Speaker 1: Is he gonna go full force? Is he gonna even 168 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:30,160 Speaker 1: go for that hit? That sounds there at conflicts not 169 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:33,480 Speaker 1: gonna happen because Tom will be an antina with Giselle 170 00:08:34,200 --> 00:08:37,160 Speaker 1: fair Well, You've solved the entire drink, so you know, 171 00:08:37,280 --> 00:08:40,240 Speaker 1: I'll let person. But let's say, yeah, like you're saying, like, 172 00:08:40,360 --> 00:08:43,960 Speaker 1: how how does a hard charging defender go after his 173 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:47,440 Speaker 1: own player, whether it's a running back or a quarterback 174 00:08:47,520 --> 00:08:50,440 Speaker 1: or a wide receiver. It just it smacks of farce. 175 00:08:50,960 --> 00:08:52,480 Speaker 1: But at the same time, I'm not going to kill 176 00:08:52,480 --> 00:08:54,240 Speaker 1: the nth on. I know a lot of people on 177 00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:57,760 Speaker 1: Twitter the first instinct was to rip it. Let's face it, 178 00:08:57,880 --> 00:09:00,880 Speaker 1: like people weren't happy with how the game was, so 179 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:03,120 Speaker 1: what you know, why not just shake it up and 180 00:09:03,120 --> 00:09:04,840 Speaker 1: see if you can do something, even it's a short 181 00:09:04,920 --> 00:09:08,080 Speaker 1: term solution, at least you're trying something. Yeah, I give 182 00:09:08,120 --> 00:09:10,800 Speaker 1: them points for creativity, but I haven't watched the Pro 183 00:09:10,880 --> 00:09:13,600 Speaker 1: bowling years and I doubt i'll watch it again unless 184 00:09:13,679 --> 00:09:16,520 Speaker 1: I'm covering it. Well, and it's exactly we're we're the 185 00:09:17,120 --> 00:09:19,040 Speaker 1: gist of it is, we're not excited about this game, 186 00:09:19,040 --> 00:09:21,480 Speaker 1: and they've tried to refashion it. I don't think that 187 00:09:21,559 --> 00:09:24,319 Speaker 1: if it's a complete dud again with these minor tweaks, 188 00:09:24,640 --> 00:09:26,440 Speaker 1: that this is gonna be the way it is for 189 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:29,240 Speaker 1: fifteen years. This is a one time look see, and 190 00:09:29,280 --> 00:09:31,160 Speaker 1: if they need to make more drastic changes, I mean, 191 00:09:31,160 --> 00:09:33,960 Speaker 1: Goodell has talked openly about just canceling the thing. Well, 192 00:09:34,040 --> 00:09:35,640 Speaker 1: I don't think that's out of the equation. If it 193 00:09:35,640 --> 00:09:38,880 Speaker 1: fails again, well give the NFL credit where it's due. 194 00:09:39,440 --> 00:09:42,600 Speaker 1: Out of all the leagues professional sports league, the NFL 195 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:44,880 Speaker 1: is not afraid to make changes to make the game better. 196 00:09:44,960 --> 00:09:47,439 Speaker 1: So if it doesn't work, something else will be tried. 197 00:09:47,720 --> 00:09:49,679 Speaker 1: Someone is passing us on our head right now as 198 00:09:49,679 --> 00:09:53,199 Speaker 1: we praise our employers. A large shadowy league figure seven 199 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:56,160 Speaker 1: ft seven. Um. You know, and you know, if you 200 00:09:56,200 --> 00:09:58,600 Speaker 1: look at other leagues, Major League Baseball, I think it 201 00:09:58,640 --> 00:10:01,880 Speaker 1: was about ten years ago now they started to get 202 00:10:01,960 --> 00:10:05,320 Speaker 1: some heat about their All Star Game and what they did. 203 00:10:05,320 --> 00:10:08,840 Speaker 1: They reacted by um deciding whoever wins the game American 204 00:10:08,920 --> 00:10:12,400 Speaker 1: League versus National League gets home field advantage in the 205 00:10:12,440 --> 00:10:16,480 Speaker 1: World Series. And that was also, uh, you know, laughed 206 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:18,920 Speaker 1: at and ridiculed by a lot of baseball fans. So 207 00:10:18,920 --> 00:10:21,160 Speaker 1: it's almost like you're damned if you do, damned if 208 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:23,559 Speaker 1: you don't. I don't know. I can't get on the 209 00:10:23,640 --> 00:10:26,640 Speaker 1: league about this, but at the same time, UM, I'm 210 00:10:26,640 --> 00:10:29,440 Speaker 1: not sure it's gonna ultimately be good. All right. The 211 00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:33,079 Speaker 1: other big news from yesterday, and this is probably the 212 00:10:33,120 --> 00:10:37,240 Speaker 1: biggest news of the week. Percy Harvin went to New York. 213 00:10:37,320 --> 00:10:39,280 Speaker 1: Flew to New York to get the second opinion on 214 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:42,240 Speaker 1: his hip. Turns out he's gonna need surgery, and the 215 00:10:42,280 --> 00:10:45,200 Speaker 1: surgery will take place on Thursday. They're saying three to 216 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:48,920 Speaker 1: four months. Uh, we're hearing maybe Thanksgiving is the time 217 00:10:48,960 --> 00:10:52,640 Speaker 1: he comes back. Seattle Seahawks obviously he was potentially the 218 00:10:52,679 --> 00:10:56,240 Speaker 1: final piece and then being uh an NFC favorite to 219 00:10:56,280 --> 00:10:59,199 Speaker 1: go to the Super Bowl West, what do you think 220 00:10:59,400 --> 00:11:02,160 Speaker 1: this means for the Seahawks? So they in big trouble now. 221 00:11:02,360 --> 00:11:04,360 Speaker 1: I think you put it well when you said final peace. 222 00:11:04,760 --> 00:11:06,840 Speaker 1: We're talking about a team that was very good last year, 223 00:11:06,920 --> 00:11:09,280 Speaker 1: especially down a stretch where they averaged thirty two points 224 00:11:09,280 --> 00:11:12,040 Speaker 1: a game over the last ten games. They don't need 225 00:11:12,160 --> 00:11:14,959 Speaker 1: him to go to the playoffs. But my sense when 226 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:17,360 Speaker 1: they made the trade was Percy Harvin is good enough, 227 00:11:18,040 --> 00:11:20,760 Speaker 1: was an m VP candidate before he tore his ankle 228 00:11:20,840 --> 00:11:24,319 Speaker 1: up last year. He's good enough that he changes him 229 00:11:24,360 --> 00:11:27,800 Speaker 1: from an also ran to a legitimate super Bowl contender. 230 00:11:28,200 --> 00:11:32,920 Speaker 1: So if he's healthy by Christmas, ideally by Thanksgiving, which 231 00:11:32,960 --> 00:11:35,880 Speaker 1: I'm very skeptical of that happening, but if he's healthy 232 00:11:35,920 --> 00:11:38,679 Speaker 1: by Christmas and gives them a shot in the arm, 233 00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:42,360 Speaker 1: maybe they're still super Bowl contenders. But it's sky isn't following, 234 00:11:42,400 --> 00:11:44,719 Speaker 1: but it's a significant blow. I thought you made a 235 00:11:44,760 --> 00:11:48,560 Speaker 1: good point to west Uh on Twitter when you said 236 00:11:48,640 --> 00:11:51,800 Speaker 1: that ten games, the last ten games of the season, 237 00:11:51,800 --> 00:11:54,000 Speaker 1: ten or eleven games, they were averaging over thirty two 238 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:57,080 Speaker 1: points a game last season. This is without Harvan. They're 239 00:11:57,080 --> 00:11:59,560 Speaker 1: bringing back a lot of the same team. It's almost 240 00:11:59,559 --> 00:12:02,360 Speaker 1: the same as essentially, you know, as long as Sydney 241 00:12:02,440 --> 00:12:05,360 Speaker 1: Rice doesn't come back from his jount to Switzerland with 242 00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:07,839 Speaker 1: you know, no legs or something. I mean, everything should 243 00:12:07,880 --> 00:12:10,040 Speaker 1: be fine. I think they're going to be still a 244 00:12:10,080 --> 00:12:12,320 Speaker 1: good offense. Harvin was maybe the guy that was going 245 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:15,480 Speaker 1: to make them almost an unstoppable type offense if everybody 246 00:12:15,480 --> 00:12:17,960 Speaker 1: else stayed healthy and well, I would I I would 247 00:12:18,040 --> 00:12:21,080 Speaker 1: caution the idea of oh because they I know, West 248 00:12:21,160 --> 00:12:23,640 Speaker 1: wasn't pointing this initially. They they went on a tour 249 00:12:23,800 --> 00:12:26,199 Speaker 1: pace down the stretch. They're just gonna open that way. 250 00:12:26,400 --> 00:12:30,199 Speaker 1: Teams have spent the off season studying Seattle. I think 251 00:12:30,200 --> 00:12:33,800 Speaker 1: that Seattle put a ton of time reshaping their playbook 252 00:12:33,800 --> 00:12:36,520 Speaker 1: to include Harvin. What I do like, though, when the 253 00:12:36,559 --> 00:12:39,440 Speaker 1: timing is kind of cool, is like for Seattle, if 254 00:12:39,480 --> 00:12:42,040 Speaker 1: Harvin comes back around December, when you spent the whole 255 00:12:42,040 --> 00:12:44,800 Speaker 1: season looking at a certain type of Seattle team, then 256 00:12:44,840 --> 00:12:47,040 Speaker 1: they can use those plays which they did spend the 257 00:12:47,080 --> 00:12:51,199 Speaker 1: offseason practicing. You drop Harvard any equation in December, and 258 00:12:51,280 --> 00:12:52,599 Speaker 1: you know, first of all, it's a hip injury. He 259 00:12:52,640 --> 00:12:54,360 Speaker 1: may not come back all year, we don't know. But 260 00:12:54,400 --> 00:12:58,000 Speaker 1: if he does, suddenly Seattle's got this like weapon that 261 00:12:58,040 --> 00:13:00,440 Speaker 1: no one's seen all season, that no one knows how 262 00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:03,199 Speaker 1: to prepare for. Right when it matters most, it might 263 00:13:03,240 --> 00:13:05,760 Speaker 1: work out well for them if he's healthy. It shouldn't 264 00:13:05,760 --> 00:13:08,360 Speaker 1: be forgotten. Also that not only were they the NFL's 265 00:13:08,400 --> 00:13:10,520 Speaker 1: best defense last year, but they were far and away 266 00:13:10,559 --> 00:13:13,040 Speaker 1: the most the run heaviest team in the league. They're 267 00:13:13,040 --> 00:13:15,720 Speaker 1: still identified with Marshawn Lynch on offense, you know, and 268 00:13:15,800 --> 00:13:18,120 Speaker 1: so we talked about he They have a buy over 269 00:13:18,160 --> 00:13:21,359 Speaker 1: that Thanksgiving week. But if he comes back December one, 270 00:13:21,760 --> 00:13:25,360 Speaker 1: they play, in order, the Saints, the forty Niners, the 271 00:13:25,400 --> 00:13:28,920 Speaker 1: New York Giants, the Cardinals, and the Rams. That's three 272 00:13:28,920 --> 00:13:31,720 Speaker 1: division games, and that's five within the conference. That right 273 00:13:31,720 --> 00:13:35,360 Speaker 1: there is listen. If Harvin has put into that soup, 274 00:13:35,920 --> 00:13:37,840 Speaker 1: that could be right when see I don't think the 275 00:13:37,840 --> 00:13:40,280 Speaker 1: the the forty Niners in Seattle are gonna do this 276 00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:42,400 Speaker 1: eleven and two, twelve and one trip. I think that 277 00:13:42,400 --> 00:13:45,280 Speaker 1: division is gonna beat itself up hard. The records aren't 278 00:13:45,280 --> 00:13:47,679 Speaker 1: gonna be as impressive. Harvin is a difference maker. I 279 00:13:47,760 --> 00:13:50,280 Speaker 1: don't want to go down the road saying it doesn't 280 00:13:50,320 --> 00:13:51,840 Speaker 1: matter if he's on the team because they were so 281 00:13:51,880 --> 00:13:53,719 Speaker 1: good last year. They got him for a reason. If 282 00:13:53,720 --> 00:13:58,160 Speaker 1: you guys were uh in general manager John Schneider's shoes, 283 00:13:58,720 --> 00:14:02,680 Speaker 1: um would you given the chance reverse the trade if 284 00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:05,280 Speaker 1: you could right now. I said this on Twitter last 285 00:14:05,360 --> 00:14:07,480 Speaker 1: night that I would still make the trade because Harvin 286 00:14:07,480 --> 00:14:09,880 Speaker 1: has already locked up for another five years. I mean, 287 00:14:09,960 --> 00:14:14,280 Speaker 1: hip hip injuries aren't anything to sneeze at. But to me, actually, 288 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:16,520 Speaker 1: I don't think you can sneeze properly with the bad. 289 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:21,480 Speaker 1: My philosophy on on the NFL and really any sport 290 00:14:21,520 --> 00:14:23,520 Speaker 1: as you win with difference makers, and I think Percy 291 00:14:23,560 --> 00:14:26,280 Speaker 1: Harvin is one. I don't think that a late first 292 00:14:26,360 --> 00:14:28,560 Speaker 1: round pick is that much to give up for that much. No, 293 00:14:28,680 --> 00:14:30,320 Speaker 1: it is, and I would agree with that. I think 294 00:14:30,320 --> 00:14:33,720 Speaker 1: that it's a long season and they're looking long term 295 00:14:33,760 --> 00:14:36,080 Speaker 1: with Harvin. They're not They're not a one year deal here. 296 00:14:36,720 --> 00:14:39,320 Speaker 1: I think also that Harvin and Greg put it really 297 00:14:39,360 --> 00:14:40,640 Speaker 1: well at the end of a post he road this 298 00:14:40,680 --> 00:14:44,000 Speaker 1: morning that like Percy Harvin, problems are never simple, like 299 00:14:44,080 --> 00:14:46,520 Speaker 1: he's always been a complex dude to deal with. He 300 00:14:46,520 --> 00:14:49,520 Speaker 1: tweeted about his injury. It didn't come from the team. 301 00:14:49,560 --> 00:14:52,320 Speaker 1: That's that speaks to some sort of discord. I think 302 00:14:52,320 --> 00:14:55,600 Speaker 1: between the two sides, Harvin wanted to protect his body 303 00:14:55,640 --> 00:14:57,400 Speaker 1: here a little bit. That's my sense. I don't know 304 00:14:57,440 --> 00:14:59,720 Speaker 1: that for a fact, But yeah, I would do it 305 00:14:59,720 --> 00:15:02,160 Speaker 1: again because he's one of the five or six guys 306 00:15:02,160 --> 00:15:04,480 Speaker 1: that when he's healthy, he puts them at a different 307 00:15:04,560 --> 00:15:06,480 Speaker 1: level and what they can do with the football. Yeah, 308 00:15:06,520 --> 00:15:09,240 Speaker 1: I don't think teams like the player breaking injury news 309 00:15:09,280 --> 00:15:12,440 Speaker 1: like that. In another sport in baseball, a Rod who's 310 00:15:12,440 --> 00:15:15,360 Speaker 1: facing his own issues when he gave his own medical 311 00:15:15,440 --> 00:15:18,240 Speaker 1: update about a month ago, as general manager Brian Cashman 312 00:15:18,280 --> 00:15:20,320 Speaker 1: told him to shut the app that didn't go well. So, 313 00:15:20,840 --> 00:15:23,760 Speaker 1: you know, I don't think the Seahawk Seahawks, no, because 314 00:15:23,840 --> 00:15:26,400 Speaker 1: they saw what happened in Minnesota that they have to 315 00:15:26,440 --> 00:15:29,280 Speaker 1: treat harvn with kid gloves on some level. And you know, 316 00:15:29,320 --> 00:15:31,640 Speaker 1: I was reading a Peter King story yesterday where they 317 00:15:31,680 --> 00:15:34,160 Speaker 1: said they were more than happy for him to head 318 00:15:34,200 --> 00:15:36,040 Speaker 1: over to New York to get the second opinion because 319 00:15:36,080 --> 00:15:39,400 Speaker 1: they want Harvan to feel like he can trust his 320 00:15:39,440 --> 00:15:42,600 Speaker 1: new team. UM. So you know, bottom line is he's 321 00:15:42,640 --> 00:15:43,880 Speaker 1: he's out of the line up for a while and 322 00:15:43,880 --> 00:15:48,040 Speaker 1: they'll they'll probably survive. UM. One other player that's in 323 00:15:48,080 --> 00:15:50,840 Speaker 1: the news, another high paid player with an injury issue, 324 00:15:51,160 --> 00:15:54,760 Speaker 1: Mario Williams uh Mark, You want to talk a little 325 00:15:54,760 --> 00:15:57,720 Speaker 1: bit about Mario Williams because it seems to be with 326 00:15:57,800 --> 00:16:00,480 Speaker 1: this guy, he signs a six year, ninety six million 327 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:03,560 Speaker 1: dollar deal and I'm not I'm not so sure this 328 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:06,440 Speaker 1: is gonna end. Well, well, I think it's all he's 329 00:16:06,440 --> 00:16:09,400 Speaker 1: an enigmatical guy, and I think that he's been enough 330 00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:13,920 Speaker 1: of the distraction versus the production he's put forth where 331 00:16:13,920 --> 00:16:15,560 Speaker 1: you do have to question the amount of money. What 332 00:16:15,680 --> 00:16:17,920 Speaker 1: we talk about, what did GM do it? Again? The 333 00:16:17,960 --> 00:16:19,840 Speaker 1: GM that did it isn't with the team anymore. So 334 00:16:19,880 --> 00:16:23,120 Speaker 1: I don't think that that's something Buffalo is. And yeah, 335 00:16:23,160 --> 00:16:27,040 Speaker 1: I think that Maron is also another guy learning the 336 00:16:27,080 --> 00:16:29,280 Speaker 1: way of the NFL, where you're gonna get asked the 337 00:16:29,400 --> 00:16:31,960 Speaker 1: questions that you either can't answer or don't have a 338 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:34,760 Speaker 1: complete answer to. That's not going to stop fifteen guys 339 00:16:34,760 --> 00:16:37,760 Speaker 1: from saying the same thing over. He got really annoyed yesterday. Well, 340 00:16:37,800 --> 00:16:40,840 Speaker 1: it's it's funny you say that because Alex Wilk behind 341 00:16:40,880 --> 00:16:44,200 Speaker 1: the glass, a man of integrity and preparation, has that 342 00:16:44,480 --> 00:16:50,440 Speaker 1: sound bite. Doug Maron speaking with a Buffalo Press yesterday frustrated. Um, Honestly, 343 00:16:51,080 --> 00:16:53,000 Speaker 1: when it gets to a point where I feel like 344 00:16:53,080 --> 00:16:57,440 Speaker 1: I've tried to explain myself and how I handle the injuries. Okay, 345 00:16:57,800 --> 00:17:01,520 Speaker 1: And I've answered the questions, and you keep coming at me, 346 00:17:02,040 --> 00:17:05,000 Speaker 1: all right, put yourself in my position. I don't know 347 00:17:05,200 --> 00:17:07,320 Speaker 1: if I asked you what play call our play in 348 00:17:07,320 --> 00:17:10,400 Speaker 1: our system on third down? Okay, what play would you call? 349 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:17,520 Speaker 1: Right now? That's not my job. Do you know the play? Right? Okay? 350 00:17:17,680 --> 00:17:20,520 Speaker 1: I haven't talked to the doctor. I haven't talked to 351 00:17:20,560 --> 00:17:23,520 Speaker 1: the doctor. I have seen the playbook. I'm done. I'm 352 00:17:23,520 --> 00:17:25,960 Speaker 1: not answering any more questions about Mario Williams until the 353 00:17:26,040 --> 00:17:32,119 Speaker 1: doctor gives me this. Obviously, if we send him to 354 00:17:32,119 --> 00:17:34,879 Speaker 1: get evaluations, he's excused from the team. That's not a 355 00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:37,840 Speaker 1: legitimate question. I don't think that's gonna go down to 356 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:40,760 Speaker 1: you know, Dennis Greed and uh, you know we we 357 00:17:41,119 --> 00:17:42,879 Speaker 1: we were the best Dan team. What was the Dennis 358 00:17:42,920 --> 00:17:46,640 Speaker 1: Green quote? Famously, you are who they are, who we got. 359 00:17:47,119 --> 00:17:48,840 Speaker 1: It doesn't go to It's not in that category. But 360 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:51,800 Speaker 1: it was interesting to see him, especially this early in 361 00:17:51,840 --> 00:17:54,320 Speaker 1: the game his first year is an NFL coach, to 362 00:17:54,520 --> 00:17:57,119 Speaker 1: kind of get a little tense with the media. I 363 00:17:57,119 --> 00:17:58,920 Speaker 1: thought he was being honest, though it's every a couple 364 00:17:58,920 --> 00:18:03,120 Speaker 1: of people initially go he's melted, just lost control. Yeah, 365 00:18:03,160 --> 00:18:05,240 Speaker 1: I mean I think the Maron number one, he's a 366 00:18:05,280 --> 00:18:08,359 Speaker 1: brass tacks guy. He's an upstate New York dude. The 367 00:18:08,400 --> 00:18:11,720 Speaker 1: guy is just like, stop stop throwing this nonsense at me. 368 00:18:11,720 --> 00:18:13,560 Speaker 1: I've given you what I can give you. Let's move on. 369 00:18:13,600 --> 00:18:15,840 Speaker 1: Don't you think in a lot of ways, we've been conditioned, 370 00:18:16,520 --> 00:18:19,919 Speaker 1: as the media and as any league observer to expect 371 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:23,040 Speaker 1: all coaches to be dead pan like Bill Belichick. Yes, 372 00:18:23,280 --> 00:18:25,479 Speaker 1: we were conditioned that that's how a coach is supposed 373 00:18:25,480 --> 00:18:27,959 Speaker 1: to act. Now, and if we get someone colorful, if 374 00:18:27,960 --> 00:18:30,840 Speaker 1: we get someone interesting, we think they're melting down. And 375 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:32,679 Speaker 1: that's why it stoodup. We I don't think anyone was 376 00:18:32,720 --> 00:18:34,960 Speaker 1: expecting it from Doug Marone of all people, because he 377 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:40,800 Speaker 1: has been rather exactly but my radar. Yeah, my two takeaways. 378 00:18:40,880 --> 00:18:43,199 Speaker 1: Number one of the part that we didn't that we 379 00:18:43,240 --> 00:18:47,159 Speaker 1: didn't play as he goes, you know, I'm a straight shooter. 380 00:18:48,119 --> 00:18:49,800 Speaker 1: Ask anybody that knowing me since I'm a kid, I'm 381 00:18:49,800 --> 00:18:52,680 Speaker 1: a straight shooter. Actually reminded me something that my dad 382 00:18:52,680 --> 00:18:54,679 Speaker 1: would say. I mean, he was, you know, he was 383 00:18:54,720 --> 00:18:57,919 Speaker 1: just keeping it real. I think what maybe jumps out 384 00:18:57,960 --> 00:19:00,240 Speaker 1: at you. It was a little Parcelsa in a little bit, 385 00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:02,760 Speaker 1: uh kind of taking on a media member like that. 386 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:04,880 Speaker 1: And if you're Bill Parcels, you need to do it. 387 00:19:04,880 --> 00:19:07,600 Speaker 1: It's like, it's great, it's awesome, that's classic Parcels. But 388 00:19:07,640 --> 00:19:10,280 Speaker 1: when Doug Moron doesn't, nobody really knows who this guy is. 389 00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:14,040 Speaker 1: People are conditioned to be like, who's this who's this guy? 390 00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:16,040 Speaker 1: You know? C R right, is he about to you know, 391 00:19:16,080 --> 00:19:19,240 Speaker 1: break down? But uh, you know. But back to Williams, 392 00:19:19,280 --> 00:19:23,359 Speaker 1: I mean, it seems like behind the scenes there seems 393 00:19:23,400 --> 00:19:26,359 Speaker 1: to be a bit of a disconnect between Mario Williams 394 00:19:26,560 --> 00:19:29,199 Speaker 1: and the Bills. You know, there were the reports that 395 00:19:29,240 --> 00:19:33,120 Speaker 1: he got that wrisk surgery last year without the team's knowledge. 396 00:19:33,400 --> 00:19:37,240 Speaker 1: He has this crazy engagement rings story that doesn't paint 397 00:19:37,320 --> 00:19:39,240 Speaker 1: him or the team in a good light. Now he 398 00:19:39,240 --> 00:19:41,520 Speaker 1: has a foot injury where the coach is getting testy 399 00:19:41,560 --> 00:19:44,840 Speaker 1: about it. Is this a relationship built to last? I mean, 400 00:19:44,880 --> 00:19:46,679 Speaker 1: I think whenever you have a coach, I always have 401 00:19:46,760 --> 00:19:49,000 Speaker 1: a I feel for the coaches that come in out 402 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:53,200 Speaker 1: of nowhere and adopt these big contract guys or headcases 403 00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:55,640 Speaker 1: or a combination of the both, which I don't think 404 00:19:55,640 --> 00:19:58,280 Speaker 1: Williams was necessarily earlier in his career, but in Buffalo 405 00:19:59,080 --> 00:20:02,080 Speaker 1: something's gone on. He's definitely not been who they wanted 406 00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:04,720 Speaker 1: him to be. I think if Maron could reshape the team, 407 00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:07,000 Speaker 1: Williams would have nothing to do with this. Neither would 408 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:10,359 Speaker 1: his contract. Of course, how many NFL relationships are built 409 00:20:10,359 --> 00:20:13,480 Speaker 1: to last unless they involve a quarterback. That's really true 410 00:20:14,040 --> 00:20:17,919 Speaker 1: because most quarterback coach could. Most quarterbacks get their coaches fired, 411 00:20:17,960 --> 00:20:21,879 Speaker 1: to be honest. And Williams, you know, he's He's another 412 00:20:21,880 --> 00:20:24,439 Speaker 1: guy that went out and sort of went went rogue 413 00:20:24,480 --> 00:20:27,119 Speaker 1: on his medical stuff, which again, it's their bodies. I 414 00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:29,360 Speaker 1: don't know that. Who knows exactly how that happened, but 415 00:20:29,840 --> 00:20:32,280 Speaker 1: it seemed like the Bills didn't like losing control of 416 00:20:32,359 --> 00:20:36,879 Speaker 1: that situation. And uh, you know the final topic today. 417 00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:39,959 Speaker 1: I was almost a little sheepish about bringing this up because, 418 00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:42,119 Speaker 1: you know, my New York Jets. It took a beating 419 00:20:42,119 --> 00:20:45,720 Speaker 1: on Monday's podcast. But people are very excited in this room. 420 00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:48,479 Speaker 1: Mark and West is actually foaming at the mouth right 421 00:20:48,520 --> 00:20:52,240 Speaker 1: now to talk about Rex Ryan, who during his press 422 00:20:52,280 --> 00:20:56,000 Speaker 1: conference today said that the Wildcat is not dead. The 423 00:20:56,080 --> 00:20:59,840 Speaker 1: Jets are going to use more Wildcat in two thousand thirteen. Yes, 424 00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:04,080 Speaker 1: I did not say two thousand eight. I said two uh. West, 425 00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:08,359 Speaker 1: who has just had such strong opinionated thoughts on the 426 00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:11,560 Speaker 1: matter that he ended up landing on dead Spin with 427 00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:16,000 Speaker 1: a tweet that I will read right now Wildcat. The 428 00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:18,359 Speaker 1: rest of the league is playing chess and Rex is 429 00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:22,880 Speaker 1: over in the corner with his Lincoln logs. I just devastated, West. 430 00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:26,280 Speaker 1: Go ahead, you have the floor destroy my team. Look, 431 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:30,879 Speaker 1: I would never question Rex Ryan's knowledge about defense. He 432 00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:34,320 Speaker 1: might be the best defensive mind in the NFL, But 433 00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:37,760 Speaker 1: to me, he kind of this is reminiscent of love E. 434 00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:41,119 Speaker 1: Smith's stent with the Bears, where the offense continues to 435 00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:43,480 Speaker 1: kill the team over and over again because the brass, 436 00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:47,040 Speaker 1: the coaching staff, the front office doesn't know anything about 437 00:21:47,119 --> 00:21:50,520 Speaker 1: offensive football and they're stuck in the past. And Rex 438 00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:53,719 Speaker 1: Ryan is talking about the wildcat. It cracks me up. 439 00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:55,879 Speaker 1: What's he gonna do with the wildcat? The rest of 440 00:21:55,920 --> 00:21:57,880 Speaker 1: the league is running the read option in the pistol, 441 00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:01,200 Speaker 1: and he's stuck on this Fluke play from six years ago. 442 00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:04,240 Speaker 1: I agree. I mean when I read is of course 443 00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:09,439 Speaker 1: full comments well, because he's West is correct by the way, um, 444 00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:12,439 Speaker 1: it looks like what he's talking about is the league 445 00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:17,399 Speaker 1: shifting towards option type play because he talks about mobile players, 446 00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:19,800 Speaker 1: mobile passers getting out of the pocket and doing X, 447 00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:22,400 Speaker 1: Y and Z. But that didn't happen with the Wildcat 448 00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:24,600 Speaker 1: at all in New York last year, and not many 449 00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:26,960 Speaker 1: other teams you know, outside of Jacksonville right now or 450 00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:29,600 Speaker 1: even talking about the Wildcat on any level. So it's 451 00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:33,120 Speaker 1: like he's pointing towards this bigger trend. But I don't 452 00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:35,240 Speaker 1: want to assume he doesn't know the difference. He must. 453 00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:38,280 Speaker 1: He's a smart guy. He's a very smart guy. So 454 00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:41,320 Speaker 1: I'm just bas by no, but he I mean, you 455 00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:43,560 Speaker 1: don't get to this level without being smart. But he's smart. 456 00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:45,560 Speaker 1: On the other side of the ball, I don't think 457 00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:47,960 Speaker 1: he should speak on this topic. Well, I would just 458 00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:53,200 Speaker 1: say this, Uh, did the skinny tie come back? Yes 459 00:22:53,320 --> 00:22:55,000 Speaker 1: or no? You don't even know the answer to that. 460 00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:57,520 Speaker 1: That speaks to a lot. Skinny skinny type came back. 461 00:22:57,560 --> 00:23:00,320 Speaker 1: It's huge right now. The Wildcat will come back as well. 462 00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:05,360 Speaker 1: Back in Vogue Wildcat New York Jets. Didn't they say 463 00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:07,920 Speaker 1: that last year? I don't listen. We gotta move past. 464 00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:10,080 Speaker 1: Last year, the best example of a wildcat in a 465 00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:13,040 Speaker 1: Jets game was when the Niners rolled in with Kaepernick 466 00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:17,040 Speaker 1: did a couple of wildcat plays that the skinny tie 467 00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:19,919 Speaker 1: was back. I didn't realize that didn't left. Well, is 468 00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:22,239 Speaker 1: that crazy that Cessler doesn't know that skinny ties are 469 00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:25,200 Speaker 1: popular again? I don't think it's that crazy. Really? Yeah, 470 00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:27,879 Speaker 1: I mean, am I that fashion forward? I didn't think so. 471 00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:30,760 Speaker 1: Ding By wear like the same shirt. I think you 472 00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:33,080 Speaker 1: read one article about the skinny tie coming back, and 473 00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:37,359 Speaker 1: now you're pretending to. I judge everything on what Adam 474 00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:40,560 Speaker 1: Rank wears in the newsroom, and Rank has really he's 475 00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:42,919 Speaker 1: gone all in on the skinny tie. I stand by this, 476 00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:45,240 Speaker 1: and I would love Twitter users to back me on this. 477 00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:48,040 Speaker 1: At the skinny ties back, I mean, I I like 478 00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:50,639 Speaker 1: as a nice skinny tie. I'm just saying might include 479 00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:55,080 Speaker 1: a dark and strange. In the last five minutes, I'm 480 00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:57,119 Speaker 1: just on an island, whether it's about Rex or the 481 00:23:57,160 --> 00:23:59,879 Speaker 1: skinny tie. I mean, why am I? Why have I 482 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:03,800 Speaker 1: been cast out of this podcast? Look at the topics 483 00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:08,760 Speaker 1: you've chosen to defend the Jets and skinny time. You 484 00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:10,879 Speaker 1: guys are monsters. Well, I will say this and in 485 00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:14,640 Speaker 1: all serious and it's the only the Wildcat maybe could 486 00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:18,080 Speaker 1: have worked if if they used Tim Tebow a little better. 487 00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:21,679 Speaker 1: Tony Sperrano was the worst period, just the worst on 488 00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:25,040 Speaker 1: seventeen levels, and every time Tebow won in the game, 489 00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:28,560 Speaker 1: they ran it between the tackles. Uh. And you know, 490 00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:30,880 Speaker 1: how's it ever going to succeed if you don't balance 491 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:34,240 Speaker 1: out the passing with the running. If everyone knows you're 492 00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:35,879 Speaker 1: gonna do a run up the middle every time, but 493 00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:37,639 Speaker 1: of course it's not going to be successful. So we'll 494 00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:40,080 Speaker 1: take Geno Smith, who never ran the option, never ran 495 00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:43,160 Speaker 1: anything close to the Wildcat, and suddenly tell everyone he's 496 00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:44,720 Speaker 1: gonna do it. I don't want to talk about this 497 00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:49,199 Speaker 1: any more. Let me have two more things. When you 498 00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:51,919 Speaker 1: look at the Wildcat, jog your memory from the past 499 00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:54,439 Speaker 1: half decade, and it all boils down to the one 500 00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:59,600 Speaker 1: game where Ronnie Brown killed and nothing else. What else 501 00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:03,119 Speaker 1: does the Cat done except take up newspaper space? Well, 502 00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:05,199 Speaker 1: and it needs to be heavily running back based. And 503 00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:07,000 Speaker 1: who do the Jets have that you can count on 504 00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:08,840 Speaker 1: it running back? Right now? You know it's getting ugly. 505 00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:11,760 Speaker 1: We're we've gone down a dark road on Dan's team here. No, 506 00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:14,280 Speaker 1: it's okay. I mean, you're right about that, and I 507 00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:16,199 Speaker 1: was I'm a little curious Mark, you brought it up 508 00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:18,680 Speaker 1: downstairs when Rex is talking about the Wildcat. Did he 509 00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:20,680 Speaker 1: think he was talking about the read option? That's what 510 00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:23,880 Speaker 1: we were suggesting. It's like, I don't want to say that, 511 00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:27,359 Speaker 1: because I'm sure that's he would never even feel that 512 00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:29,240 Speaker 1: was the case. But he was talking to a larger 513 00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:31,479 Speaker 1: trend that isn't happening in the Jets, and it's not 514 00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:34,520 Speaker 1: happening in the Wildcats specifically. I get that. I think 515 00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:37,400 Speaker 1: you might be onto something there. Maybe he's talking more 516 00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:42,239 Speaker 1: about option plays generically and and lumping the Wildcat in 517 00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:45,280 Speaker 1: with that. But just the fact that he's using that 518 00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:47,440 Speaker 1: word and no one else in the league is that's 519 00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:51,520 Speaker 1: the issue Read a football magazine. To me, he's like 520 00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:54,359 Speaker 1: the Don coore yell was kept out of the Hall 521 00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:56,040 Speaker 1: of Fame and never won a Super Bowl because he 522 00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:58,720 Speaker 1: didn't bother to get to know the defensive side of 523 00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:02,639 Speaker 1: the ball. And he's the He's the new Don Corrie, 524 00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:05,520 Speaker 1: except on the defensive side of the ball. That's interesting. 525 00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:10,040 Speaker 1: Not unlike his father, Wilke has glazed over behind the 526 00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:13,120 Speaker 1: glass so much. Jets. There's nothing that will cates more 527 00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:15,080 Speaker 1: than talking about the Jets. We have talked about them 528 00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:18,800 Speaker 1: Monday and now Wednesday, so we will will move on. Wilk. 529 00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:23,399 Speaker 1: You literally look um desponded. You almost look the Jets 530 00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:26,040 Speaker 1: just make me, make me so crazy because I don't 531 00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:29,480 Speaker 1: they're like the Cowboys. He had the same teams like 532 00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:32,199 Speaker 1: seven and nine at the best every year. Why are 533 00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:34,119 Speaker 1: we talking about them like they're one of the premier teams? 534 00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:36,240 Speaker 1: To the choir, and you have the same look on 535 00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:38,960 Speaker 1: your face as you did after the Vegemite incident, I do, Yeah, 536 00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:41,120 Speaker 1: you know what's similar? Taste of him off too. And 537 00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:44,680 Speaker 1: you know Wilk is wearing a Chicago Bears polo. That's 538 00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:46,440 Speaker 1: a team that's flying under the radar. Wilk, do you 539 00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:49,000 Speaker 1: have any thoughts about the Bears? I don't. Nobody's talking 540 00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:52,880 Speaker 1: about the Bears. Mark Trestman keeps bringing up doing read 541 00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:55,760 Speaker 1: option and things like that with Jay Cutler, and I 542 00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:59,200 Speaker 1: will defend Jay Cutler's mobility to an extent. But that's 543 00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:02,400 Speaker 1: still scared as me, especially how many defensive players are 544 00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:06,480 Speaker 1: just ready to light up. We've seen, we've seen how 545 00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:08,720 Speaker 1: poorly the Bears do when Jay Cutler is not in 546 00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:12,280 Speaker 1: that lineup. Yeah, but Trustman is not about to engage 547 00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:16,240 Speaker 1: the team on something idiotic for sixteen straight games. It's 548 00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:19,760 Speaker 1: a good coach. I hope that you're right. I hope 549 00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:23,160 Speaker 1: that you're right. I'm cautiously optimistic. Trustman kind of gives 550 00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:25,119 Speaker 1: me the creeps a little bit. Guys, I gotta go. 551 00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:28,760 Speaker 1: I gotta go home. You gotta go. Why it's time 552 00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:31,320 Speaker 1: for me to go home? He doesn't like talking about 553 00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:34,960 Speaker 1: the Bears? Is the issue? Oh? I see that's all right. Well, 554 00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:36,760 Speaker 1: Mark's gotta go. He's got to get home to his 555 00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:40,680 Speaker 1: young family who love him. Uh. We will be back Friday. 556 00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:42,680 Speaker 1: I think it will be Mark and I solo. Will 557 00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:45,760 Speaker 1: be like a a throwback to the old Debate Club days. 558 00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:50,160 Speaker 1: We will talk with Greg Rosenthal from Canton to get 559 00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:53,680 Speaker 1: excited about that. Mark's gonna ask some hard hitting questions 560 00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:56,120 Speaker 1: for our boss. I hear well. I was there last year. 561 00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:59,800 Speaker 1: I know the territory, and I want to make sure 562 00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:01,399 Speaker 1: that Reg is covering all the basis. I'm sure he 563 00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:03,840 Speaker 1: isn't good and we hopefully we're going to try to 564 00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:06,200 Speaker 1: have another guest too, but we won't know for another 565 00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:10,240 Speaker 1: day or so so uh, check back in Friday, subscribe 566 00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:14,280 Speaker 1: on iTunes, and thank you for listening until then.