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Speaker 2: Before we get on the recorders, they want into air

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Speaker 2: any duty laundry.

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Speaker 1: Shit, not great, man, it's not great. Miles and I

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Speaker 1: haven't spoken off Mike in five years.

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Speaker 2: Fuck, I know how that goes to. I so could

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Speaker 2: sympathize with you on that.

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Speaker 1: I'm not a fan of this guy. I fucking hate

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Speaker 1: each other this guy, Yeah, he's not. We're basically we're

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Speaker 1: the Galler brothers. We're the Gallagher brothers.

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Speaker 3: This podcast is Oasis and I don't even know why

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Speaker 3: we're here.

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Speaker 1: Hello the Internet. Wol that's my best Liam Orden, Noel,

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Speaker 1: I don't know. Hello. They whack on, tell the end

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Speaker 1: none in a minute.

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Speaker 4: Now, Hello the Internet, and welcome to season three, sixty

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Speaker 4: six episode.

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Speaker 1: It's the production of iHeart Radios podcast We take Deep

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Speaker 1: to Havenue American Shared Consciouences. It's a podcast with a

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Speaker 1: YouTube channel. Who the hell's ever heard such a thing

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Speaker 1: at Daily Zeitgey's pod on YouTube. But I don't think

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Speaker 1: we have a new episode this week, but we got

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Speaker 1: an old one and it was live, and that one

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Speaker 1: was pretty easy. We were like, we should try a

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Speaker 1: live episode. It's Jacquise, it's Miles we are in the

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Speaker 1: studio together talking about smoking aft and a lot of

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Speaker 1: Jesus stuff. For some reason, every time we do a

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Speaker 3: I know it's funny because in the one with Blake

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Speaker 3: you reference it's like why does this always happen? But

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Speaker 3: that people don't realize people hadn't seen the Jack episode

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Speaker 1: All kicked off. Yeah, yeah, the Blake episode. We were

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Speaker 1: talking about how like his he he claims that he

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Speaker 1: was sacrificing by washing people's feet, but actually he he

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Speaker 1: a freaking a freak from And in this one it's

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Speaker 1: even worse stuff that my parents would be even more

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Speaker 1: ashamed to actually be able to hear me and see

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Speaker 1: me say. In this case, so glad to do that.

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Speaker 1: It is Friday, November twenty ninth, twenty twenty four, remember

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Speaker 1: day after Thanksgiving to everyone lick Friday.

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Speaker 3: Yeah it is, it is.

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Speaker 1: It is time to get those deals.

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Speaker 3: There's so many weird just things that are just the

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Speaker 3: day after thing, Like obviously there's like buy Nothing Day

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Speaker 3: like discourage mass consumption. Obviously Black Friday to encourage mass consumption.

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Speaker 1: There's also you're welcome Giving Day. What the fuck is

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Speaker 1: this it's basically just saying, hey, just say, why don't

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Speaker 1: we all remember to say you're welcome today, which sounds

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Speaker 1: like things are falling apart. If you know I said that,

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Speaker 1: people don't say thank you. Okay, yeah, I'm a big welcome. Yeah, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you're welcome. Yes, you're to do it with someone they

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Speaker 1: haven't even gone through yet. You're welcome. I'm not. I'm

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Speaker 1: not going in there, but all right, you're welcome. You're welcome. Uh.

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Speaker 3: It's also National Dative American Heritage Day. I think that's

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Speaker 3: pretty important. National day of listening and National flossing Day.

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Speaker 3: You got you got it all oral hygiene remembering, yeah,

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Speaker 3: the absolute decimation of Indigenous people of America, and getting

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Speaker 1: Mm hmm. The American way, the American Way. My name

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Speaker 1: is Jack O'Brien aka Hot Frosty Stud. I'm gonna keep

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Speaker 1: on fucking the snow man. That's dumb.

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Speaker 5: I'm a get dick down by a carrot that comes.

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Speaker 5: I want the ice dickle of the Hot Frosty Stud.

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Speaker 1: Courtesy A Christy. I'm a Gucci man on the discord

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Speaker 1: one of the greats to ever do it. I'm thrilled

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Speaker 1: to be joined as always by my co host, mister

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Speaker 1: Miles Gray. It's Miles Gray AKA.

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Speaker 3: Sometimes I feel my name is but but Miles of Gray.

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Speaker 1: My name is Miles of Gray.

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Speaker 3: Shout out to Hannah remicview Hannah's in a minute.

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Speaker 1: Oh that is true about you asting what Sometimes you

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Speaker 1: do feel like your name is Miles. Sometimes I do

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Speaker 1: feel that way. Media handles. Yeah, I stayed in public.

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Speaker 1: When I go to John Juice, name is this the

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Speaker 1: from Christy Amagucci Man and Hannah Amic viewing Disco. I

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Speaker 1: Anyways, Miles, We're thrilled to be joined in our third

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Speaker 1: teap one of our favorite guests. He co hosts the

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Speaker 1: podcast The Worst Idea of All Time with Guy Montgomery.

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Speaker 1: He's very funny, stand up comedian, TV writer, producer, chat

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Speaker 1: show host. Welcome back to the show, the hilarious, the

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Speaker 1: talented Tim bet Hello.

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Speaker 2: I want to give myself a singing name, referencing intro

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Speaker 1: I want to beat the crew.

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Speaker 2: Where's your tim bet?

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Speaker 1: Where's your tim bet? That's Spiceman Jacks for everybody. Where's

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Speaker 3: That's not the first time we've started singing that song

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Speaker 1: I love that basement checkstrack too. Well, now you will

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Speaker 3: Yeah, ed Zitron goes by. Where's your edge at?

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Speaker 1: expecting and congratulations. Thank you so much. Good.

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Speaker 2: I've got two one and seven months old and just

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Speaker 3: Oh no, how do you? How did what kind of

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Speaker 2: This sucks man trampoline, which is an old classic.

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Speaker 1: And now he's got this cask that goes the whole

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Speaker 1: doing to uh sue that motherfuckerfect Jacob, I'm sorry, you're

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Speaker 2: We're not We're not so bike crude as you you Yankees.

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Speaker 2: We have a different system here.

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Speaker 1: Brother would see that leg break and my eyes would

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Speaker 1: turn into dollars signs.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I would just tell like you stay down state,

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Speaker 2: Your son gets a broken leg and you go yes, chang.

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Speaker 1: Okay, spin in two dollars signs. I think daddy's gonna

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Speaker 2: This are pretty good. Well, I'm real it sucks and

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Speaker 1: well that's brutal. And I'm sorry about you know, your

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Speaker 1: Goo the word. Yeah, some of the worst time my life.

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Speaker 2: You know, the day after Thanksgiving, I'm very thankful to

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Speaker 3: It's just truly, I find myself doing that so much nowadays.

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Speaker 3: I'm saying looking at a monitor and I'm like, you're

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Speaker 1: Gonna do whatever I gotta do. I'm gonna do whatever

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Speaker 1: I gotta do, exactly.

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Speaker 2: Ignore everything happening outside of these walls.

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Speaker 1: Right right, there's more in a lazy river with my

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Speaker 1: six year old and eight year old just chasing them around.

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Speaker 1: It was a fucking blast. Jack. That is a postcard, guys,

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Speaker 1: And I'm already one virgin Pina Colada deep so in

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Speaker 3: But all that sugar jack, your skin, be careful you

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Speaker 1: first tim we do like to ask our guest, what

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Speaker 1: is something from your search history that's revealing about who

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Speaker 2: Because I am so I'm in like a maximum dad

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Speaker 2: am disconnected from the culture. But toty is one of

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Speaker 2: those things that's coming up a lot. My algorithm is

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Speaker 2: delivering me talk show podcast where people accusing other people

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Speaker 1: Do you want to know what Google told me? It

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Speaker 3: It's going to be hard to get everyone in line,

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Speaker 3: over the Like I add my own fucking goals of

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Speaker 3: being godhead, like what So, I mean that's the one

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Speaker 1: So we'll see, we'll see how that manifests in the

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Speaker 2: Every American I've met in real life has been a

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Speaker 1: Well, you're hanging out with the best professions, right, It's true. Yea,

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Speaker 2: The current search for u APS, a completely non political,

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Speaker 1: That has gotten really fricking interesting the last few years.

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Speaker 1: Whereas you on your like do you because we are fans,

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Speaker 1: like in terms of you do you believe that? Did

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Speaker 2: David Grush I actually do believe him. Like he's just

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Speaker 2: He's just the right level of I think he like

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Speaker 2: Lou Alexander, I don't know what the fuck that guy's dealers.

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Speaker 1: That guys.

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Speaker 2: I smell a rat there's something.

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Speaker 1: But I mean, it seems like his endgame is like

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Speaker 2: And there's a thing, right, Lou Alexander if people don't

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Speaker 2: But I think this is the same with Grush, but

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Speaker 2: And I'm like, well, then why are they telling us this,

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Speaker 2: a grush boy. I'm a grush girl. I don't know

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Speaker 2: I mean it's grush.

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Speaker 1: That guy rue social hair is the main reason I distrusted,

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Speaker 1: But go ahead.

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Speaker 3: Oh interesting, No, I mean I think with all this,

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Speaker 6: I need this, I need this, but I also need

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Speaker 3: But I guess the thing that I'm like, like everything,

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Speaker 3: Like I just I I'm willing, I'm willing. I just

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Speaker 2: You got to tune in brother. The Tic TACs, the

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Speaker 1: It's fast writing.

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Speaker 3: I think it's the other part where it's like when

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Speaker 7: Like just give me a fuck something. Just give me

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Speaker 7: Just something a little bit more, because I think that's

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Speaker 1: But now I'm like, what's the sort of next phase

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it doesn't make sense that we have alien bodies

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Speaker 1: Hasn't done a press conference with one of them. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Well, they wouldn't endorse him, so he's cut them off

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Speaker 3: But I mean, so, but what do you think because

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Speaker 1: Seen them, but I know people that have.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Alexander, I think sort of walked right up to

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Speaker 3: Hey, I want to see him toote that we all want.

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Speaker 1: To I want to look at I'll be cool about it.

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Speaker 2: aliens while I smoke a joint for like thirty minutes

437
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Speaker 2: a little for my I'm.

438
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Speaker 3: Like, Bro, I would love to smoke a joint with

439
00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:26,359
Speaker 3: a alien.

440
00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:29,080
Speaker 1: You know what I mean now we're talking about bro.

441
00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:33,600
Speaker 1: Maybe you go, oh shit, B I didn't know you

442
00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:40,000
Speaker 1: like to get wet this isp PCP my man.

443
00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:46,080
Speaker 2: Like when they sent Dennis Rodman to North Korea, Snoop

444
00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:49,240
Speaker 2: Snoop Dog will be our representative of Earth to Alphastin.

445
00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:53,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, that makes perfect sense to me. Yeah, and

446
00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:56,240
Speaker 1: I think that's who they would pick. They'd be like, hey,

447
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Speaker 1: can we take us to your actually Snoop dogg Right,

448
00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:03,960
Speaker 1: we just get we send some like accomplished like Astronomer

449
00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:09,440
Speaker 1: and they're like, do you know Snoop Dog? We love

450
00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:11,000
Speaker 1: that song? Drop it like it's hot.

451
00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:14,960
Speaker 3: It just hit our airwaves from twenty years ago.

452
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Speaker 1: Yeah.

453
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Speaker 2: I wouldn't want to smoke a joint with Neil Degrass Tyson,

454
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Speaker 2: but I would with Snoop dogg No.

455
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Speaker 1: No, yeah, No, he's a bummer, total bummer. I feel

456
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Speaker 1: like he would just start asking you what you thought

457
00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:30,400
Speaker 1: of him in various ways.

458
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Speaker 3: Yeah, do you have any cousins cousins?

459
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Speaker 2: So well, you guys, this is interesting to me because

460
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Speaker 2: I didn't know it was any I've always I've felt

461
00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:43,440
Speaker 2: a little I've got mixed feelings about that dude.

462
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Speaker 1: He gives off an interesting vibe. I feel like, yeah, yeah, yeah,

463
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Speaker 1: I don't fuck with Neil maybe as a figure first

464
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Speaker 1: of all, as a like he's apparently you know, as

465
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Speaker 1: a person, yeah, and then also just his gener like

466
00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:05,280
Speaker 1: there's a there's a fine line between people who bring

467
00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:11,359
Speaker 1: additional scientific insight that makes the world more interesting and

468
00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:16,760
Speaker 1: people who are just fucking haters and are just like no, no, actually,

469
00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:18,920
Speaker 1: and he like just doesn't seem to have a very

470
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Speaker 1: good instinct for making things more interesting instead, Yeah, just

471
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Speaker 1: is there to like kind of quote back things that

472
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Speaker 1: sound smart, or like point out things that are wrong.

473
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Speaker 1: And it just I don't know, I'm like, what are

474
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Speaker 1: you in it for? Then? Man, Like, why why are you?

475
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Speaker 1: Why are we even here if you're not like on

476
00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:44,119
Speaker 1: fire to like make space and science more interesting to people,

477
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Speaker 1: What are you even doing here other than just trying

478
00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:49,600
Speaker 1: to like corner the market, And like sometimes I feel

479
00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:51,560
Speaker 1: like he does that, but a lot of the time

480
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Speaker 1: it just feels like he's just trying to point out

481
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Speaker 1: when shit is wrong.

482
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd never put my finger on it before, but

483
00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:03,960
Speaker 2: it's like an own the Libs style of scientific education.

484
00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:11,520
Speaker 1: Owned. He just shows up laces as a big stamp opened.

485
00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:17,879
Speaker 1: You've been degrassed. Yeah, Neil degrass. Tyson's punch out the

486
00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:21,360
Speaker 1: worst any scam. Let's uh, let's take a quick break.

487
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Speaker 1: We'll come back, We'll do your overrated. We'll do a

488
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Speaker 1: couple of stories and we're back and Tim, we do

489
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Speaker 1: like to ask our guests, as you might know, what

490
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Speaker 1: is something you think is overrated?

491
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Speaker 2: I had picked this before and now I think it's

492
00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:45,919
Speaker 2: too much of Obama. But I'm going to bring it

493
00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:48,639
Speaker 2: up because my brain is so sleep deprived. I can't

494
00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:52,760
Speaker 2: like conjure new ideas right now, but just austerity. And

495
00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:55,840
Speaker 2: you say we've got this new, well they're not that

496
00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:59,800
Speaker 2: new anymore. We've got this government that's made of three

497
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:04,880
Speaker 2: right wing parties and they've basically just brought in austerity

498
00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:08,840
Speaker 2: to try and fix the economy which was flailing, and surprise,

499
00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:11,119
Speaker 2: it's made it way fucking worse.

500
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Speaker 1: Trying to balance the governmental the government's economy, trying to

501
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:22,720
Speaker 1: government like treat the government like it's a household buddy,

502
00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:25,200
Speaker 1: doesn't work exactly. Man.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like, have you guys even met an actual

504
00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:31,879
Speaker 2: macroeconomist in your life? But it's because it's convenient for

505
00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:35,119
Speaker 2: them to parrot this line that you know, it makes

506
00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:38,520
Speaker 2: some intrinsic sense to people like, you know, we got

507
00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:40,600
Speaker 2: we've got to balance the budgets, like you can't. You

508
00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:42,679
Speaker 2: kind of don't, and you kind of like shouldn't go

509
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:45,320
Speaker 2: too hard that way because everyone will get boned. And

510
00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:49,360
Speaker 2: at the moment in New Zealand, like everyone is getting boned.

511
00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:53,320
Speaker 2: Obviously everyone had inflation after COVID and that's what they've

512
00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:58,200
Speaker 2: used as cover to bring in all of these new policies.

513
00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:00,640
Speaker 2: They're firing everyone from the public sea, they're like they're

514
00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:04,920
Speaker 2: just slashing whole departments. Our healthcare system, which is pretty

515
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:08,040
Speaker 2: bad to begin with, is just getting absolutely.

516
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:10,359
Speaker 1: Torn apart and it sucks.

517
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Speaker 2: I mean, I mentioned earlier, I've got a little kid

518
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:17,119
Speaker 2: who's just in hospital, and like, you know, there's things

519
00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:19,199
Speaker 2: that we take for granted in New Zealand which make

520
00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:21,680
Speaker 2: life so good, but they're kind of invisible until they

521
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:23,520
Speaker 2: go away or the cracks start to appear.

522
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Speaker 1: I'm just worried that we forget that.

523
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Speaker 2: You know, those were pretty hard won fights from a

524
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Speaker 2: long time ago that brought us like great centralized nationalized

525
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:37,840
Speaker 2: health care, for example, And there has been from like

526
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Speaker 2: the moment that the national government who are in charge

527
00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:43,280
Speaker 2: now were campaigning, a lot of people were saying, here's

528
00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:44,880
Speaker 2: what they're going to do. They're going to come and

529
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Speaker 2: they're going to slash the healthcare system. Then they're going

530
00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:49,440
Speaker 2: to use all the bad stats that come from the

531
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Speaker 2: fact that it's massively understaffed to just advertising the healthcare system.

532
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:56,960
Speaker 2: And even like I love a good conspiracy theory, I

533
00:28:57,080 --> 00:28:59,760
Speaker 2: just telling you guys about how much I'm fucking rooting

534
00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:03,520
Speaker 2: for the aliens to be real. But even there, I

535
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:06,640
Speaker 2: was like, you know, you, let's hear them out, give

536
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:09,560
Speaker 2: them a chance. This feels like you're, you know, rabbid

537
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:13,800
Speaker 2: left wingers who you know, have formulated this opinion before

538
00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:15,440
Speaker 2: the people have even got in and the policies have

539
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:17,520
Speaker 2: had a chance to come in. I am now utterly

540
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:21,120
Speaker 2: convinced those people are right. Like it is just it

541
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:24,719
Speaker 2: is horrible to watch in real time, this sort of

542
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:29,719
Speaker 2: slow moving train crash of the different sect. There's especially

543
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:32,280
Speaker 2: a healthcare system in New Zealand as a result of austerity.

544
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Speaker 1: So austerity, I'm putting the timbat stamp on it. Oh

545
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:43,680
Speaker 1: fuck out of here. You have been niled a grass. Yeah,

546
00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:47,440
Speaker 1: it is frustrating, Like I didn't want the left to

547
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:52,640
Speaker 1: always be right about everything. It fucking sucks. Yeah, it

548
00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:57,280
Speaker 1: just turns out they are very frustrating and then it

549
00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:00,800
Speaker 1: just turns out they are and never ever credit for

550
00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:04,600
Speaker 1: it because nobody it's the one thing that nobody can

551
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:07,720
Speaker 1: get rich off of. Yeah, but yeah, it sounds like

552
00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:10,280
Speaker 1: you're in the future. You're in our future.

553
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:16,360
Speaker 2: Time wise, and yeah, exactly politico economically as well.

554
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:18,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I feel like we're not far off

555
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:21,400
Speaker 3: from like New York Times op eds. I'm like Margaret

556
00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:26,360
Speaker 3: Thatcher did in fact save the UK economy and oh yeah, whoa.

557
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:28,920
Speaker 3: It is feeling Yeah, it is feeling like they're gonna

558
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:32,560
Speaker 3: mainstream austerity too, because that's a huge thing that there's

559
00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:35,200
Speaker 3: like Americans are going to have to feel some pain,

560
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Speaker 3: so we can hoover up more wealth up to the.

561
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Speaker 2: Type what's amazing as well as how they're like because

562
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Speaker 2: they can't use the word the word austerity now because

563
00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:47,000
Speaker 2: everyone knows it doesn't work and it's awful and it

564
00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:51,640
Speaker 2: just creates like wholesale human suffering for everyone who isn't

565
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Speaker 2: at the very top. So they useing this different terminology

566
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:58,240
Speaker 2: and language now. But I think maybe this is something

567
00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:03,400
Speaker 2: that's about time, physical responsibility. All these smistic words that

568
00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:07,600
Speaker 2: mean we're going to slash core services that service the

569
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:11,480
Speaker 2: working class and then we're going to privatize stuff because

570
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:13,280
Speaker 2: that will make us and our buddies rich. But I

571
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:15,880
Speaker 2: think we need to like whack that label back onto

572
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:18,360
Speaker 2: what's happening to just make people have a really clear

573
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:21,880
Speaker 2: picture of what's going on. That kind of fight over language, man,

574
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:25,000
Speaker 2: it's unfortunately also kind of important.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, mediation, this sounds good right with Warren g Regulation,

576
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:47,600
Speaker 1: that's regulations. Nobody likes regulations. We need regulations, right, Regulations

577
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:51,120
Speaker 1: are cool and you need to exist for that's what

578
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:54,440
Speaker 1: the is about. Now, that's what Candler's campaign should have done.

579
00:31:54,600 --> 00:32:05,720
Speaker 1: That's right. Regulator, that's a protection bureau where you at Yeah, yeah,

580
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:10,480
Speaker 1: you're late. You should have listened to us when we

581
00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:15,760
Speaker 1: said regularly, I mean that bos and fly. You know

582
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Speaker 1: that that's the West Coast in me. It's the West

583
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:20,760
Speaker 1: Coast in me. You know. It feels like something that

584
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:23,320
Speaker 1: would have happened in the eighties, Like the Democratic Party

585
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:25,280
Speaker 1: of the eighties would have put.

586
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Speaker 2: Out Bill Clinton on sex and fine while.

587
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Speaker 8: Oh yeah, he's just like his cat is called socks

588
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:39,880
Speaker 8: and has a video game.

589
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Speaker 3: Don't look past them. That's all we need to know.

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Speaker 9: And after who Yeah, all right, so let's talk about

591
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Speaker 9: social media, man, because this feels aspirational to me, even

592
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:55,600
Speaker 9: though I get everybody being like, how the fuck are

593
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:56,840
Speaker 9: you gonna make that work?

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Speaker 1: Asshole? My answer to it? So, all right, Australia is

595
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:05,520
Speaker 1: on the verge of passing a ban on social media

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Speaker 1: for people under age sixteen. There's a lot of people

597
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:12,080
Speaker 1: wondering how that's good, how they're gonna make that work.

598
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:18,600
Speaker 1: This ap article gives most of its word count to

599
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Speaker 1: objections to Critics also argue the band would isolate children,

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Speaker 1: deprive them of positive aspects of social media, drive children

601
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Speaker 1: to the dark web, make children too young for social media,

602
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Speaker 1: reluctant to report harms they encountered and take away incentives

603
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 1: for platforms to make online spaces safer. And I don't know,

604
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Speaker 1: Like I guess when you on the read the question,

605
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Speaker 1: how am I, how are we going to like figure

606
00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:51,320
Speaker 1: this out or like implement that. That's not my fucking problem.

607
00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:54,480
Speaker 1: That's the problem of the social media companies, Like they

608
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:58,120
Speaker 1: made a product that is super fucking dangerous to the

609
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Speaker 1: point that the only so that last point about like platform, well,

610
00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:06,840
Speaker 1: there's no incentives for platforms to make online spaces safer.

611
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:13,520
Speaker 1: What a veiled threat like fucking dangerous selling guns on here?

612
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:17,319
Speaker 1: They have already do. They have so much incentive to

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Speaker 1: make their products safer that it's existed for over a decade.

614
00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:25,359
Speaker 1: And the only time I've ever heard of any tech

615
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:29,399
Speaker 1: executive doing anything to keep a kid safer on their

616
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:32,520
Speaker 1: platform is that they all ban their own kids from

617
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Speaker 1: using them. That's the only thing that they they all,

618
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:40,319
Speaker 1: like never heard any any tech executive be like, yeah,

619
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Speaker 1: but my kids use our product and we think it's good.

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00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:46,359
Speaker 1: They're all like to a person like, no, of course,

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't let my help use this my kid to

622
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Speaker 1: go into a that. But they don't do ship to

623
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Speaker 1: make the product like as is, the current product does

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Speaker 1: not work. It is harming people. I get that a

625
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:04,920
Speaker 1: like blanket ban under a certain age group might be

626
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:08,439
Speaker 1: like a blunt instrument that doesn't Like I don't have

627
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:11,239
Speaker 1: all the answers, but like I do like that the

628
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:13,800
Speaker 1: law is just like they they're gonna have to figure

629
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Speaker 1: it out in the next they have a year to

630
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Speaker 1: figure it out, and then we're gonna start finding the

631
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:20,000
Speaker 1: shit out of them. It was like, great, yeah, they can.

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00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:23,160
Speaker 1: They can go fuck themselves, like that's they they made

633
00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 1: the dangerous product. They can figure it out.

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Speaker 2: You might have made a believer out of me, Jack,

635
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:29,160
Speaker 2: because I've been following this story and I'm sort of like,

636
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:33,000
Speaker 2: I hate to say the word both sides, but I

637
00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:35,279
Speaker 2: have sort of been seeing both sides of this thing.

638
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:38,520
Speaker 2: It's it's kind of tricky, right because You're right, like

639
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:43,120
Speaker 2: the the intent of it is fantastic, and I read

640
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Speaker 2: like one of the biggest things in my head around

641
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Speaker 2: my two boys is just like how do I get

642
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:51,080
Speaker 2: them offline as much as humanly possible? Like how do

643
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:54,120
Speaker 2: I just mainline sports into them? And I'm not a

644
00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:56,440
Speaker 2: sports guy, but I'm like, that is the only way

645
00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:58,440
Speaker 2: that I can think of, that guarantees they're not going

646
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:00,800
Speaker 2: to be holding you know, like a or something in

647
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Speaker 2: their handed.

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Speaker 1: All that at all times. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:05,480
Speaker 2: But on the flip side of this, right, so they're

650
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:08,840
Speaker 2: bringing this federal law which means that if you're under sixteen,

651
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Speaker 2: you're not allowed to be on social media, which is great,

652
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Speaker 2: but it is tricky because then it goes, well, now

653
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Speaker 2: we have to prove everybody's age in Australia on the internet,

654
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Speaker 2: which is going to like fundamentally change how the internet works.

655
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Speaker 2: And I'm thirty one of my thirty seven so and

656
00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:26,560
Speaker 2: I've been like an online kid my whole life. So

657
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Speaker 2: I've seen this sort of mutation of the Internet being

658
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:33,799
Speaker 2: a space where it was originally kind of a bit

659
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Speaker 2: niche and anonymous, and now it's completely mainstream and sort

660
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:41,760
Speaker 2: of decreasingly anonymous, which is sort of good for discourse

661
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Speaker 2: because it means people can't just come and say whatever

662
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Speaker 2: the fuck they want without any accountability, but it does

663
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Speaker 2: there's privacy concerns. And the thing that I just can't

664
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Speaker 2: square in my head is that governments generally are really

665
00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:59,520
Speaker 2: bad at like tech policy, and this will be a

666
00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:02,239
Speaker 2: deeply technical things. So I looked into this law last

667
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:05,520
Speaker 2: week because I do a tech commentary segment on our

668
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:08,000
Speaker 2: version of like, what do you call it? Not PBS,

669
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Speaker 2: what's your like State Broadcasts? Yeahs Radio New Zealand is

670
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Speaker 2: what it's called. And so I looked into the law

671
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:19,600
Speaker 2: and it turns out that technically SMS text messaging like

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00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:23,400
Speaker 2: falls under their current legal definition of social media. So

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Speaker 2: if people are under sixteen, they would be as the law,

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Speaker 2: you know, as currently proposed, they would be banned from texting.

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Speaker 2: But also we then have to prove the age of

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Speaker 2: everyone who has access to a device that can do

677
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Speaker 2: SEMs text messaging. So it's just like, it's the intent fantastic.

678
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Speaker 2: The devil is in the detail, and it's going to

679
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Speaker 2: be like such a fucking hard thing for the Australian government,

680
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Speaker 2: which is filled with the oldest, dumbest people alive, to

681
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Speaker 2: figure out how to prepare age.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, a second place.

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Speaker 3: But we're also like exporting the dumb shit to Australia

684
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Speaker 3: because you start seeing the people in Australia parroting the

685
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Speaker 3: stuff of the republic.

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Speaker 1: Like, oh god, this crap.

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Speaker 2: It's one of the saddest things that's happened in New Zealand.

688
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Speaker 2: I've always got a litmus test for people in New

689
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Speaker 2: Zealand they see commenting online if you use the word patriot,

690
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Speaker 2: you're just some fucking Fox News.

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Speaker 1: We don't say patriot in.

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Speaker 2: New Zealand because we've got this beautiful thing called tall

693
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Speaker 2: Poppy syndrome where we bully the shit out of each

694
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Speaker 2: other if you express any like pride for yourself.

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Speaker 1: Or your country.

696
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Speaker 2: And sure it gives us like a depression epidemic, but

697
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Speaker 2: it also really tamps down on nationalism and right wing

698
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Speaker 2: sentiment because no one can fully rally around the flag.

699
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Speaker 2: So if anyone describes themselves as a patriot in New Zealand,

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Speaker 2: I know that's a red flag that they're just like

701
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Speaker 2: mainlining American right wing news content. The other thing this

702
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Speaker 2: with this Lord that was weird to watch is that

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Speaker 2: it's been championed by News Corp, which I'm pretty sure

704
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Speaker 2: is the Rupert Murdoch joint. And so I'm also like,

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Speaker 2: there's a little bit of follow the money with this

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Speaker 2: with me.

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Speaker 1: Sure, yeah, yeah, they're like we get access to like

708
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:10,880
Speaker 1: everybody's person like will have to like everybody will have

709
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Speaker 1: to have like some sort of like online id that

710
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Speaker 1: like follows them around the Internet and I'll make advertising

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Speaker 1: like more effective for people over sixteen or something. It

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Speaker 1: totally might be there.

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Speaker 2: I'm hoping it's just a ven data because all the

714
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Speaker 2: social media and netbooks have taken all of the advertising

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Speaker 2: money out of you know, rupid, Murdock's.

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Speaker 1: Newspapers and stuff. That makes sense.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but yeah, I'm sorry, sorry, Jake. This should be

718
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Speaker 2: a thing that we're just like finally some good fucking news.

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Speaker 1: These are like complicating factors that I can't wait to

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Speaker 1: see how the tech industry figures out. And you know,

721
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:49,440
Speaker 1: like they they have a fucking money gun to their

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Speaker 1: head and it's like in a year figure this shit out.

723
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Speaker 1: Like I don't know, I don't know. I think a

724
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:59,000
Speaker 1: big reason that tech policy is so shitty is because

725
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:02,279
Speaker 1: they are the US, and I don't know, like how

726
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:05,680
Speaker 1: much lobbying is the thing in like Australia and other countries,

727
00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:08,640
Speaker 1: but like they are by far the biggest lot. You know,

728
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Speaker 1: we think of like fossil fuel industries as like the

729
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:16,320
Speaker 1: number one lobbying industry. It's tech. Tech is the reason crypto. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: tech and crypto are like pouring so much money and

731
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:23,120
Speaker 1: have been for so long that it's easy to just

732
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Speaker 1: like we're now at a place where we're just like, yeah,

733
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Speaker 1: the government can't solve all these tech problems. We have

734
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Speaker 1: to lean on the oligarchs to solve them. And it's

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Speaker 1: just like, no, they're not going to without any like

736
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Speaker 1: without somebody forcing their hand. Yeah, So yeah, I mean,

737
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Speaker 1: it's it is.

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Speaker 3: It's hard because you know, the genie is out of

739
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Speaker 3: the bottle at this point. So I'm not sure that

740
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Speaker 3: just bang, like I just vaporize it for kids under

741
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Speaker 3: sixteen is the answer, because I've been sixteen and people

742
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Speaker 3: told me I couldn't get shit. You know how quick

743
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:55,200
Speaker 3: I got that shit. Like it's just part of the

744
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Speaker 3: experience of being like a younger person is like, oh,

745
00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:00,440
Speaker 3: you can't have this, Like yeah, all right, more on

746
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:03,000
Speaker 3: that later, asshole. Watch the fucking get five of these things.

747
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Speaker 2: Even the Australian lawmakers who would bring this in have

748
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:09,879
Speaker 2: been championing the bill, have said they're like fully away

749
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Speaker 2: because all it's going to take is a VPN, which

750
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:15,080
Speaker 2: is like the easiest, cheapest thing to implanting on a device.

751
00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:17,360
Speaker 2: But they've said, look, we know that what we're basically

752
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:20,040
Speaker 2: trying to do is give pearents as much ammunition as

753
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Speaker 2: possible to say like, no, I can't help you make

754
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:25,080
Speaker 2: an account. No, Like you know, you don't need an

755
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:28,719
Speaker 2: iPhone sixteen pro Max this year to sit on Instagram

756
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:29,640
Speaker 2: and tektok all the time.

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Speaker 1: The fancy schools are banning smartphones like that's again it's yeah,

758
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:36,600
Speaker 1: like a bunch of like Eaten in the UK and

759
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:39,920
Speaker 1: stuff are banning smartphones like kids they're giving and they

760
00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:43,479
Speaker 1: that in privately slipphones and then private schools in the US.

761
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:45,279
Speaker 1: So we did that too.

762
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:48,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, you Zealand ban cell phones and high schools. I

763
00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:49,520
Speaker 2: feel like I should know that.

764
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Speaker 3: But the thing is, like, like to your point, Jack,

765
00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:55,880
Speaker 3: is like all of the emphasis needs to be on

766
00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:58,880
Speaker 3: these social media companies to get their shit together in

767
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:02,240
Speaker 3: terms of like content moderation and how it's being served

768
00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:04,400
Speaker 3: and who they decide to serve content to and all

769
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:07,160
Speaker 3: the algorithms and shit, Because I think one of the

770
00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:09,160
Speaker 3: things when you look at all those studies about like

771
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:11,919
Speaker 3: what Instagram has done to young people, it's like it's

772
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:17,040
Speaker 3: all about like unrealistic body expectations or unrealistic lifestyle expectations

773
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:19,680
Speaker 3: and those kinds of things, and that sounds like a

774
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:22,960
Speaker 3: huge thing to tackle, right, Like, no one should have it.

775
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:25,600
Speaker 3: I mean, this is this calls for a much larger

776
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:28,920
Speaker 3: examination of like what is ailing a society too. But

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00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:31,319
Speaker 3: I think if there's also parts of that where you

778
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:33,120
Speaker 3: lean on that and you don't allow this kind of

779
00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:35,600
Speaker 3: stuff to proliferate and be like the main thing kids

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00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:37,440
Speaker 3: see when they go on social media and give them

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00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:39,719
Speaker 3: an idea of what life is supposed to be like

782
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:41,759
Speaker 3: or look like or we're supposed to look like, that

783
00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:44,160
Speaker 3: would be a huge benefit also.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean I think like, because.

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Speaker 3: Social media has become such an effective marketing tool, it's

786
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:55,520
Speaker 3: you know, once a way, I guess the bigger thing

787
00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:57,279
Speaker 3: is like can we get the capital out of this thing?

788
00:42:57,320 --> 00:42:59,920
Speaker 3: And then I don't know, that's that's that's a real

789
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:03,200
Speaker 3: that's that's a moment that I mean, it is long overdue,

790
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:06,920
Speaker 3: but I'm cynical in terms of thinking that that's gonna happen.

791
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:09,160
Speaker 3: So yeah, maybe it just needs to be some of

792
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:13,040
Speaker 3: these sort of chaotic things to eventually arrived there. But yeah,

793
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:16,680
Speaker 3: it's it's definitely it's it's we all know it's bad,

794
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:20,359
Speaker 3: and all the options aren't optimal, but there's clear there

795
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:22,359
Speaker 3: will be a combination of these things that I feel

796
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:25,360
Speaker 3: like you can actually reduce the harm that you know

797
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:29,120
Speaker 3: that kids experiencing these apps and fucking it adults.

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Speaker 2: It is cool to doing it, Like it's bad ass

799
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:32,520
Speaker 2: and it's crazy.

800
00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:34,080
Speaker 1: You know in some ways that it's.

801
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:39,279
Speaker 2: Australia like a super you know, Western relatively big, you know,

802
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:44,560
Speaker 2: rich country is actually standing up to the platforms going nah.

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00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:45,919
Speaker 1: There's this this.

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00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:49,520
Speaker 2: Interesting can't called Jaron Lanier, who's kind of known as

805
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:52,560
Speaker 2: like one of the founders of virtual reality. He's this

806
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:55,920
Speaker 2: technologist and he's invented a bunch of stuff and he's

807
00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:58,640
Speaker 2: sort of like a techno philosopher in some ways, Like

808
00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:01,719
Speaker 2: he talks a lot about the effect that technology has

809
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:05,000
Speaker 2: on society, and he talks about this fear that he

810
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:07,600
Speaker 2: has where everyone is on social media so much now

811
00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:10,080
Speaker 2: and the effects are so damaging, but there are so

812
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:13,840
Speaker 2: few people now that aren't on social media we can't

813
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:16,439
Speaker 2: measure the effect of it yetmore so, like we don't

814
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:19,480
Speaker 2: have a control group to look at how humans normally

815
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:22,080
Speaker 2: act when they're not online.

816
00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:23,239
Speaker 1: And so like it's quinite.

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00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:27,600
Speaker 2: It is cool that Australia, like a country as big

818
00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:29,680
Speaker 2: and developed and wealthy that it is is kind of

819
00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:32,520
Speaker 2: going to do this experiment on behalf of the world

820
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:35,200
Speaker 2: and go all right, we're just going to fucking say

821
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:37,320
Speaker 2: no one under sixteen on here, and we're going to

822
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:39,560
Speaker 2: try and figure it out and we'll see how that goes.

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00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:44,719
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I mean I personally, I think blaming all

824
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:48,840
Speaker 1: the mental health crisis that's happening with young people entirely

825
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:52,120
Speaker 1: on social media is probably not right. I think that

826
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Speaker 1: involves a lot of just we've talked before, these kids

827
00:44:57,640 --> 00:45:01,560
Speaker 1: are watching the grown ups that they're supposed to admire

828
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:05,840
Speaker 1: and you know, look up to just ignore climate change

829
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:08,840
Speaker 1: and be like, I don't know, man, it's your fucking problem. So,

830
00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:12,279
Speaker 1: like I think they have, like are going through a

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00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:18,680
Speaker 1: uniquely fucked up, like existential experience of having a existential

832
00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:22,399
Speaker 1: threat to humanity and like watching the people who are

833
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:26,160
Speaker 1: in charge of the world just completely ignore it, and

834
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Speaker 1: it's one that's going to like make their lives really

835
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Speaker 1: fucked up for decades and decades. I feel like that

836
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:38,800
Speaker 1: is wildly underrated. But I do think that these technologies,

837
00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:43,719
Speaker 1: like having marketing this deeply infused into your day to

838
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:48,680
Speaker 1: day life is a powerful, you know, way that people

839
00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:52,400
Speaker 1: are robbed of their free will like every day and

840
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:56,640
Speaker 1: specifically kids, and yeah, just fucking anything, do it like that.

841
00:45:57,080 --> 00:45:59,960
Speaker 1: This seems obviously and clearly the right thing to do

842
00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:03,440
Speaker 1: because it is fucking something like that's what all like,

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00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:07,720
Speaker 1: that's all that is the bar that I'm asking somebody

844
00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:11,719
Speaker 1: to clear here is just do fucking something. Yeah, it's

845
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:13,840
Speaker 1: like seeing like a boulder come down a hill and

846
00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:15,760
Speaker 1: they're like, should we should we stop?

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00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:20,200
Speaker 10: It's like, dude, put a fucking refrigerator in front of him,

848
00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:24,520
Speaker 10: Let's see if it stops it and just something You're

849
00:46:24,520 --> 00:46:26,320
Speaker 10: gonna still learn something.

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00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:28,920
Speaker 1: We're like, all right, the refrigerator did not stop the boulder.

851
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:31,239
Speaker 1: What else you got? Blow it up? Whatever, But you

852
00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:34,400
Speaker 1: gotta don't just do the thing like what am I

853
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:35,080
Speaker 1: gonna do with that?

854
00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:37,560
Speaker 3: And yeah, that energy is not that is not the

855
00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:40,080
Speaker 3: way we're going to solve these sort of existential problems

856
00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:40,680
Speaker 3: we're all having.

857
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:44,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's take a quick break, we'll be right back.

858
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Speaker 1: And we're back. And it is that time of the

859
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Speaker 1: year where new stories have to be written in advance

860
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Speaker 1: as journalists go on vacation, and so the dictionaries of

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Speaker 1: the world come together and give them a little a

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Speaker 1: nice little layup with by naming a bunch of words

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Speaker 1: of the year or a new words that we're adding

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Speaker 1: to the dictionary this year. And they're hit and miss,

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Speaker 1: you know, like Miriam Webster like hits hits sometimes with

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Speaker 1: like one, it's like yeah, oh yeah, that that's so weird.

867
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:34,839
Speaker 1: That wasn't a word this time last year, and now

868
00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:36,680
Speaker 1: it's like in the lexicon.

869
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:41,880
Speaker 3: I think was authentic was there Webster's ditch word of

870
00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:43,359
Speaker 3: the year, But.

871
00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:49,359
Speaker 1: We knew about authentic before, but that one was number two.

872
00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:54,160
Speaker 1: But riz riz is like a word that's I can't

873
00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:56,880
Speaker 1: stop here. I love as young people are just telling

874
00:47:56,960 --> 00:48:00,040
Speaker 1: me I've got it constantly everywhere I go. But I

875
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:01,880
Speaker 1: feel like the one thing we can count on is

876
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:05,640
Speaker 1: Dictionary dot Com is going to fuck it up. So

877
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:11,200
Speaker 1: last year their word of the year was hallucinate, as

878
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:18,600
Speaker 1: in AI hallucinates, okay, which is bullshit, Like that's that's

879
00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:23,680
Speaker 1: AI is not hallucinating. AI is just making ship up

880
00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:27,880
Speaker 1: because it's wrong, because it's bad technology, and it's just

881
00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:32,760
Speaker 1: they just like chose a like buzzword used by AI

882
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:37,480
Speaker 1: marketers to try and like spice up what there how

883
00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:40,080
Speaker 1: their AI fucks up to be like trying to use

884
00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:42,680
Speaker 1: that in your job when you fuck up and see

885
00:48:42,680 --> 00:48:48,080
Speaker 1: if you don't get fired. And sorry, hallucinating like a motherfucker.

886
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:53,120
Speaker 1: I crashed the folk left. I was hallucinating. Why how

887
00:48:53,160 --> 00:48:55,360
Speaker 1: would I need to get into the y Yeah, I

888
00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:59,040
Speaker 1: mean every time your auto correct like puts the wrong

889
00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:02,399
Speaker 1: word in, call that a hallucination like that, because that's

890
00:49:02,520 --> 00:49:06,520
Speaker 1: essentially all the AI is doing. It's just being programmed

891
00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:10,680
Speaker 1: incorrectly and like pointing in the wrong direction and making things.

892
00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:14,240
Speaker 1: I mean, really, what it is is AI is designed

893
00:49:14,239 --> 00:49:16,719
Speaker 1: to give you an answer, whether it has the right

894
00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:20,080
Speaker 1: answer or not, and so it will make one up. Anyways,

895
00:49:20,080 --> 00:49:24,239
Speaker 1: this year, dictionary dot Com went with demure as the

896
00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:27,400
Speaker 1: word of the Year for twenty twenty. Before I like

897
00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:33,120
Speaker 1: the video that used demure, I haven't enjoyed a single reference,

898
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:38,360
Speaker 1: like a single person being like this is very demure,

899
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:42,040
Speaker 1: like in reference to that video right now, it just

900
00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:45,360
Speaker 1: was immediately like nobody's like really used it in a

901
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:49,640
Speaker 1: fun way. It sucked right away. I feel like, yeah,

902
00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:53,120
Speaker 1: it's it's it's fine, like whatever, Like you're just saying

903
00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:56,320
Speaker 1: like that was a cool moment on TikTok. But then

904
00:49:56,640 --> 00:49:59,160
Speaker 1: it's also a thing where now, like you, a lot

905
00:49:59,200 --> 00:50:00,560
Speaker 1: of us are like, dude.

906
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:03,920
Speaker 3: Stop fucking saying that, like shit is cooked already, Like

907
00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:07,440
Speaker 3: we're done. That's why I guess hallucinate is better and

908
00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:10,040
Speaker 3: more because it's referencing something that is gonna affect all

909
00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:11,759
Speaker 3: of us and even if they're not, you know, sort

910
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:14,359
Speaker 3: of interrogating that in a more meaningful way.

911
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:15,880
Speaker 1: The word is hallucinate.

912
00:50:16,040 --> 00:50:19,359
Speaker 3: Whereas again when you look at oh, you said, oh,

913
00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:22,040
Speaker 3: of course, yeah, I understand the trans girlies love and

914
00:50:22,120 --> 00:50:24,200
Speaker 3: demure because I know the creator of that. There was

915
00:50:24,239 --> 00:50:26,640
Speaker 3: a whole thing I remember because the IP got stolen

916
00:50:26,680 --> 00:50:29,080
Speaker 3: and there's all this drama who can use demure and

917
00:50:29,120 --> 00:50:31,440
Speaker 3: all this other shit. But the thing with like you

918
00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:33,799
Speaker 3: look at like just other words of the year that

919
00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:36,400
Speaker 3: feel that they encapsulate things they feel. I don't know,

920
00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:38,319
Speaker 3: I guess who that part of me is, Like, why

921
00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:40,640
Speaker 3: do I even give a fuck? The world's fucking ending, man,

922
00:50:40,719 --> 00:50:45,359
Speaker 3: and we're talking about demuror because in shitification was the

923
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:48,160
Speaker 3: I don't know. I've never heard of this dictionary, probably

924
00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:51,600
Speaker 3: because I'm American. The Macquarie Dictionaries Word of the Year.

925
00:50:51,719 --> 00:50:54,440
Speaker 1: Christ was Squary, the guy who wrote Usual Suspects.

926
00:50:54,719 --> 00:50:59,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, yes, is in shitification. But it's also interesting

927
00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:03,280
Speaker 3: the honorable mention. One of the honorable mentions is raw dogging,

928
00:51:03,680 --> 00:51:06,960
Speaker 3: So maybe we always do need to reference something from

929
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:08,719
Speaker 3: social media as our word of the year.

930
00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:12,160
Speaker 1: I'll I'll take yeah, raw dog.

931
00:51:12,200 --> 00:51:14,480
Speaker 3: But even then I'm even dubious about people that are

932
00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:16,720
Speaker 3: actually raw dogging flights. I know there are some people

933
00:51:16,719 --> 00:51:19,759
Speaker 3: who literally don't need anything, but so many people were

934
00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:20,480
Speaker 3: posted ship like.

935
00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:22,320
Speaker 1: Y I just raw dog the whole flight, the fucking

936
00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:23,080
Speaker 1: Berlin fam.

937
00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:25,880
Speaker 2: No you didn't wait, did sorry? Did one of the

938
00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:29,000
Speaker 2: dictionaries leaned its hift of word of the year to

939
00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:30,319
Speaker 2: rule dogging or was it like a.

940
00:51:30,280 --> 00:51:33,840
Speaker 3: Finalist that was from a queries? Yeah, that was a

941
00:51:34,719 --> 00:51:38,239
Speaker 3: honorable mentions outside and gittification word of the year, right

942
00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:40,000
Speaker 3: to disconnect and raw dogging.

943
00:51:40,040 --> 00:51:45,400
Speaker 1: We're honorable, man. Yeah, it's basically a word for sobriety.

944
00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:48,239
Speaker 2: I feel like, well, let's be real, raw dogging is

945
00:51:48,280 --> 00:51:51,200
Speaker 2: having six without a condom on, Like that's what that is,

946
00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:53,280
Speaker 2: what that comes from.

947
00:51:54,640 --> 00:51:56,480
Speaker 1: I'm nindlining, you know that.

948
00:51:56,680 --> 00:52:03,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Dictionary, the aid Square poindexters at the Dictionary,

949
00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:05,960
Speaker 2: you know what we fucked too raw dogging.

950
00:52:06,040 --> 00:52:13,839
Speaker 1: Will we're actually cool guys and we go to parties. Yeah, yeah,

951
00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:15,120
Speaker 1: well look we'll see, we'll see.

952
00:52:15,160 --> 00:52:17,600
Speaker 3: We don't still don't know Webster's word of the Year.

953
00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:20,120
Speaker 1: And we'll cover it a year and review of the

954
00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:23,960
Speaker 1: years and review articles that we do at the end

955
00:52:24,040 --> 00:52:24,439
Speaker 1: of the year.

956
00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:27,120
Speaker 3: Did you were the were the youths of New Zealand

957
00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:29,040
Speaker 3: using demur a lot?

958
00:52:29,160 --> 00:52:29,440
Speaker 1: Do you know?

959
00:52:29,600 --> 00:52:31,520
Speaker 3: I mean, obviously a social media has created such a

960
00:52:31,560 --> 00:52:32,960
Speaker 3: global culture.

961
00:52:32,600 --> 00:52:33,560
Speaker 1: But yeah, did you hear?

962
00:52:34,239 --> 00:52:39,160
Speaker 2: Definitely head of Miment, I produce two queer podcasts basically,

963
00:52:39,200 --> 00:52:41,040
Speaker 2: and yeah, Demure had had a big moment. But it's

964
00:52:41,080 --> 00:52:44,360
Speaker 2: like culture moves so quickly. Now, these memes like move

965
00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:48,160
Speaker 2: through the population. They go, they hit so big and

966
00:52:48,200 --> 00:52:50,799
Speaker 2: they're there for about three afternoons and then it's on

967
00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:53,080
Speaker 2: to the next thing, which does make it tricky. You know,

968
00:52:53,120 --> 00:52:55,360
Speaker 2: if you're going to start leaning into internet culture to

969
00:52:55,400 --> 00:52:59,160
Speaker 2: determine your word of the year, it's like dog shit

970
00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:00,680
Speaker 2: is going way.

971
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:03,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think that's what I'm like. It just

972
00:53:03,800 --> 00:53:09,640
Speaker 1: immediately felt like a fifty five year old magazine editor

973
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:12,719
Speaker 1: was like, all right, you need to get me five

974
00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:15,959
Speaker 1: headlines with demure in it. Like every time I saw

975
00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:20,800
Speaker 1: it used after the initial video was just just felt

976
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:24,920
Speaker 1: like people trying to fucking fit it in and like

977
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:30,239
Speaker 1: having no familiarity with the culture and like how how

978
00:53:30,239 --> 00:53:34,200
Speaker 1: it was being used just felt like el city.

979
00:53:36,760 --> 00:53:38,799
Speaker 2: Can I throw something up at you guys and you can,

980
00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:42,879
Speaker 2: like feel free to you cut this right, yeah if

981
00:53:42,920 --> 00:53:45,719
Speaker 2: you want. I just like, I think the whole the

982
00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:48,239
Speaker 2: hikoy thing in the treaty moment we're having in New

983
00:53:48,320 --> 00:53:50,960
Speaker 2: Zealand at the moment, if we were I would feel

984
00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:53,960
Speaker 2: bad to not at least float the balloon to talk

985
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:55,799
Speaker 2: about that as a dude from New Zealand with the

986
00:53:55,880 --> 00:53:57,960
Speaker 2: audience that you guys have, And I'm not very like

987
00:53:58,040 --> 00:53:59,799
Speaker 2: super well versed on it, but I just think it's

988
00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:04,480
Speaker 2: such a crazy important thing that's happening at the moment,

989
00:54:04,680 --> 00:54:08,120
Speaker 2: and if you guys wanted a little sort of information

990
00:54:08,160 --> 00:54:09,239
Speaker 2: on the ground about.

991
00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:12,400
Speaker 1: That, yeah, I would love to hear about how it

992
00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:16,720
Speaker 1: feels in New Zealand right now, and yeah, just what's happening.

993
00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:19,840
Speaker 3: But Tim, I do want to ask because in America

994
00:54:20,120 --> 00:54:24,600
Speaker 3: we get very narrow sort of depictions of what is

995
00:54:24,600 --> 00:54:27,080
Speaker 3: happening outside of the US, especially if it's intersecting with

996
00:54:27,120 --> 00:54:31,440
Speaker 3: things like indigenous culture. But I know a few weeks ago,

997
00:54:31,560 --> 00:54:33,080
Speaker 3: or maybe it was last week now, at this point,

998
00:54:33,160 --> 00:54:35,759
Speaker 3: time flies so slow and fast. At the same time,

999
00:54:36,239 --> 00:54:38,560
Speaker 3: I think a lot of people on the internet were like, yo,

1000
00:54:38,640 --> 00:54:42,480
Speaker 3: they're doing the hakka like in parliament in New Zealand, and.

1001
00:54:42,600 --> 00:54:45,400
Speaker 1: Most of the discourse sort of ends like that, shit's sick.

1002
00:54:46,120 --> 00:54:47,560
Speaker 1: Me looks at it, like looking at.

1003
00:54:47,800 --> 00:54:51,520
Speaker 3: Like a broader historical context, the terms of colonialism stuff,

1004
00:54:51,520 --> 00:54:54,960
Speaker 3: and like this is amazing and also heartbreak, like what

1005
00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:57,239
Speaker 3: can you just sort of break that down for our

1006
00:54:57,320 --> 00:55:00,160
Speaker 3: audience as well, because I don't want everybody to He

1007
00:55:00,239 --> 00:55:02,480
Speaker 3: was like, that's sick. They just did the hawk gun

1008
00:55:02,480 --> 00:55:06,680
Speaker 3: and everything is okay because that's one hundred percent for

1009
00:55:06,719 --> 00:55:08,920
Speaker 3: most of us hundred tuned in. It sort of came

1010
00:55:08,920 --> 00:55:11,440
Speaker 3: across I'm glad that you asked about this.

1011
00:55:11,480 --> 00:55:14,440
Speaker 2: It is such an incredible moment to be living through,

1012
00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:17,560
Speaker 2: like as a New Zealander and Altro and New Zealand

1013
00:55:17,560 --> 00:55:20,400
Speaker 2: at the moment. So a bit of back story with this.

1014
00:55:20,600 --> 00:55:23,400
Speaker 2: There is a guy called David Seymour who is the

1015
00:55:23,520 --> 00:55:27,240
Speaker 2: leader of a right wing libertarian party here called Act

1016
00:55:27,480 --> 00:55:31,839
Speaker 2: and he is this very weird guy who has just

1017
00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:35,120
Speaker 2: stuck around and been funded by very rich people. I

1018
00:55:35,120 --> 00:55:36,960
Speaker 2: don't know if you guys have talked about the Atlas

1019
00:55:36,960 --> 00:55:42,480
Speaker 2: network before, which is like this super capitalized right wing

1020
00:55:42,920 --> 00:55:45,440
Speaker 2: media and political network that exists around the world.

1021
00:55:47,239 --> 00:55:49,759
Speaker 1: You've got a couple of you got quite a few,

1022
00:55:50,040 --> 00:55:56,439
Speaker 1: but basically all libertarians are so well funded, and it's.

1023
00:55:56,360 --> 00:56:01,959
Speaker 2: Always it's always these like super opaque, invisible trust situations

1024
00:56:01,960 --> 00:56:05,239
Speaker 2: where the funders are hidden from public view, and these

1025
00:56:05,239 --> 00:56:07,480
Speaker 2: public interest groups just pop up and they've got like

1026
00:56:07,560 --> 00:56:11,520
Speaker 2: incredibly slick advertising and they employ like fifty people even

1027
00:56:11,560 --> 00:56:13,600
Speaker 2: though no one votes for them. In New Zealand, it's like,

1028
00:56:13,600 --> 00:56:16,120
Speaker 2: where the fuck you guys getting your money? And a

1029
00:56:16,160 --> 00:56:18,520
Speaker 2: lot of really good journalists have dug around and tried

1030
00:56:18,520 --> 00:56:20,240
Speaker 2: to figure that out, and I think the short answer

1031
00:56:20,320 --> 00:56:24,640
Speaker 2: is billionaires from America mainly. So this guy, David Seymour

1032
00:56:24,640 --> 00:56:31,520
Speaker 2: has proposed essentially to lay down in law some different

1033
00:56:31,560 --> 00:56:33,960
Speaker 2: definitions of the Treaty of White Toungy. The Treaty of

1034
00:56:33,960 --> 00:56:36,719
Speaker 2: White Toungy is the legal document that is sort of

1035
00:56:36,719 --> 00:56:39,480
Speaker 2: the foundational document of New Zealand that was signed in

1036
00:56:39,560 --> 00:56:44,080
Speaker 2: eighteen forty. It is the legal basis for white people

1037
00:56:44,120 --> 00:56:46,759
Speaker 2: such as myself to sort of be in this country

1038
00:56:47,520 --> 00:56:50,640
Speaker 2: which had the sovereignty of was looked after by the

1039
00:56:50,640 --> 00:56:52,920
Speaker 2: Mildi people, who are the indigenous people here in New Zealand.

1040
00:56:53,040 --> 00:56:58,839
Speaker 2: So when Europeans started coming here, British people came here,

1041
00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:01,120
Speaker 2: there was a lot of terrible shit that they were doing.

1042
00:57:01,160 --> 00:57:04,640
Speaker 2: They're basically like criminals and causing a lot of trouble,

1043
00:57:04,760 --> 00:57:07,920
Speaker 2: and they kept coming and so a lot of the Ewe,

1044
00:57:08,040 --> 00:57:09,360
Speaker 2: which Ebi is the.

1045
00:57:09,360 --> 00:57:11,520
Speaker 1: Name for a tribe like a Maori tribe, so.

1046
00:57:11,480 --> 00:57:13,000
Speaker 2: They kind of came together and they were like, hey,

1047
00:57:13,360 --> 00:57:15,560
Speaker 2: you guys got to sort your shit out, like we

1048
00:57:15,600 --> 00:57:19,240
Speaker 2: will allow you to form a governmental structure in New

1049
00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:21,640
Speaker 2: Zealand because you need to sort all of these trouble

1050
00:57:21,720 --> 00:57:25,000
Speaker 2: making British people out who are like drunks and thieves

1051
00:57:25,040 --> 00:57:27,600
Speaker 2: and starting violence and raping our women and all this

1052
00:57:27,640 --> 00:57:30,720
Speaker 2: sort of stuff. So there is two versions of this document.

1053
00:57:30,760 --> 00:57:33,760
Speaker 2: There is the English language version, the Treaty of Waitangi,

1054
00:57:33,840 --> 00:57:36,600
Speaker 2: and then there is the Malori language version, which is Teterariti.

1055
00:57:37,400 --> 00:57:41,480
Speaker 2: The definitions, as you could probably guess, in the two

1056
00:57:41,520 --> 00:57:44,800
Speaker 2: with the language that are used, are quite different. So

1057
00:57:44,840 --> 00:57:47,440
Speaker 2: we've got a problem here. We've got this one document

1058
00:57:47,480 --> 00:57:49,360
Speaker 2: which is supposed to mean the same thing but in

1059
00:57:49,400 --> 00:57:52,880
Speaker 2: two languages, which actually means quite different things and guarantees

1060
00:57:53,320 --> 00:57:56,080
Speaker 2: different rights and responsibilities to each party.

1061
00:57:56,640 --> 00:57:58,040
Speaker 1: And there has.

1062
00:57:58,000 --> 00:58:04,360
Speaker 2: Been a long, storied, slow productive sort of march of

1063
00:58:04,440 --> 00:58:07,960
Speaker 2: progress of people over the many decades since we've had

1064
00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:10,960
Speaker 2: like real low points in our national history trying to deal.

1065
00:58:10,800 --> 00:58:11,680
Speaker 1: With this issue.

1066
00:58:12,280 --> 00:58:16,040
Speaker 2: But there's from about nineteen seventy, which was when there

1067
00:58:16,080 --> 00:58:19,400
Speaker 2: was a resurgence of Maori language in New Zealand. So

1068
00:58:20,840 --> 00:58:23,520
Speaker 2: Maori have their own language, Terreo, and it got beaten

1069
00:58:23,520 --> 00:58:25,600
Speaker 2: out of them at school, like they could not use

1070
00:58:25,640 --> 00:58:29,040
Speaker 2: it by dint of violence. There was a resurgence of

1071
00:58:29,080 --> 00:58:31,320
Speaker 2: that that started in seventies which has started a real

1072
00:58:31,480 --> 00:58:35,320
Speaker 2: revitalization of the culture and the whole Maori worldview, which

1073
00:58:35,400 --> 00:58:40,000
Speaker 2: is like being this really beautiful and kind of world

1074
00:58:40,200 --> 00:58:43,600
Speaker 2: leading indigenous movement and a real beacon of hope to

1075
00:58:43,680 --> 00:58:47,720
Speaker 2: other Indigenous people around the world. And like most Kiwis

1076
00:58:47,800 --> 00:58:51,680
Speaker 2: really embraced this, Like average Kiwis really embrace this thing.

1077
00:58:51,760 --> 00:58:52,240
Speaker 1: They love it.

1078
00:58:52,320 --> 00:58:55,240
Speaker 2: Of course it's got its detractors and stuff at the

1079
00:58:55,320 --> 00:58:58,760
Speaker 2: right fringes in particular, but like it's been a really beautiful,

1080
00:58:58,880 --> 00:59:02,160
Speaker 2: slow moving sort of journey towards how we get this

1081
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Speaker 2: thing together. Anyhow, This politician, David Seymour, Libertarian, really well

1082
00:59:06,360 --> 00:59:10,000
Speaker 2: funded by overseas donors, has managed to just by sticking

1083
00:59:10,040 --> 00:59:12,760
Speaker 2: around and taking slings and arrows over the years. He's

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00:59:12,800 --> 00:59:15,320
Speaker 2: now the Deputy Prime Minister of New Zealand and this

1085
00:59:15,400 --> 00:59:18,800
Speaker 2: weird coalition right when government that we've got, and he

1086
00:59:18,880 --> 00:59:21,360
Speaker 2: has proposed a bell which all the other parties said,

1087
00:59:21,360 --> 00:59:24,760
Speaker 2: we're not going to like endorse this whatsoever, but he's

1088
00:59:24,800 --> 00:59:27,320
Speaker 2: got a first reading of it which would try to

1089
00:59:27,400 --> 00:59:30,600
Speaker 2: redefine basically the terms of the treaty. And it has

1090
00:59:30,680 --> 00:59:33,880
Speaker 2: been one of the proudest moments of my New Zealand

1091
00:59:33,880 --> 00:59:38,240
Speaker 2: life to just see every Maori group and all of

1092
00:59:38,280 --> 00:59:40,960
Speaker 2: their allies come together and just say, not on your

1093
00:59:41,080 --> 00:59:44,920
Speaker 2: fucking life, dog, now, we've made way too much progress

1094
00:59:44,960 --> 00:59:46,720
Speaker 2: for you to come in here and fuck this shit up.

1095
00:59:46,760 --> 00:59:48,840
Speaker 2: So there was a what's called a hekoy, which is

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00:59:48,880 --> 00:59:53,080
Speaker 2: a peaceful walk that went like what is this I

1097
00:59:53,080 --> 00:59:56,160
Speaker 2: think is about eight hundred kilometers from Auckland to Wellington

1098
00:59:56,400 --> 00:59:58,400
Speaker 2: and they even started further north, so they did this

1099
00:59:58,840 --> 01:00:02,680
Speaker 2: huge mark much down the country where they gained tens

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Speaker 2: of thousands of people along the way to come to

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01:00:05,720 --> 01:00:08,440
Speaker 2: the to the seat of power at Parliament and go nah.

1102
01:00:08,480 --> 01:00:13,400
Speaker 2: And then you've seen like the hakker that was in parliament, TJ. Perinado,

1103
01:00:13,440 --> 01:00:17,480
Speaker 2: who's an all Black, he did a very specific Haucker

1104
01:00:17,640 --> 01:00:21,360
Speaker 2: targeted around this issue during an all Blacks game recently,

1105
01:00:21,680 --> 01:00:26,640
Speaker 2: and there's just been it's against France, yes, yeah, yeah,

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01:00:26,640 --> 01:00:31,720
Speaker 2: that's right, right, and it's Italy maybe Italy actually Italy

1107
01:00:31,760 --> 01:00:35,280
Speaker 2: match It's I would implore people to kind of, if

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Speaker 2: you've got the time and inclination, dig into this issue

1109
01:00:37,600 --> 01:00:39,640
Speaker 2: because I think New Zealand could act is a real

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Speaker 2: beacon for how other countries could try and deal with this.

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Speaker 2: We're by no means perfect, obviously, but I think just

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Speaker 2: there has been a genuine, concerned effort in my lifetime

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01:00:50,080 --> 01:00:52,840
Speaker 2: for us to try and figure out how to live

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Speaker 2: together and sort of enrich the Maori culture and also

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01:00:57,160 --> 01:01:03,160
Speaker 2: like help this sustain oppressed people who are represented terribly

1116
01:01:03,200 --> 01:01:06,000
Speaker 2: in all the statistics you would expect, like health and

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01:01:06,040 --> 01:01:10,080
Speaker 2: imprisonment and education and stuff, because we fucking beat the

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01:01:10,120 --> 01:01:11,800
Speaker 2: shit out of them and took their language away and

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01:01:11,840 --> 01:01:14,160
Speaker 2: their land away and all of this stuff is guess what,

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Speaker 2: there's implications of that down the line.

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Speaker 1: And my fear at the moment is that this story is.

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01:01:19,360 --> 01:01:22,200
Speaker 2: Bubbled up on the world stage a bit and it's

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01:01:22,280 --> 01:01:24,560
Speaker 2: kind of drawn the attention of all these right wing

1124
01:01:24,840 --> 01:01:27,040
Speaker 2: you know, sort of man o sphere podcast types where

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01:01:27,040 --> 01:01:29,160
Speaker 2: they just see the surface level and I've already seen

1126
01:01:29,240 --> 01:01:32,000
Speaker 2: like just little glimpses of the commentary on that, and like, fuck,

1127
01:01:32,720 --> 01:01:34,520
Speaker 2: that's such a It feels to me such a dangerous

1128
01:01:34,560 --> 01:01:37,320
Speaker 2: thing that these guys with massive platforms who have zero

1129
01:01:37,560 --> 01:01:40,400
Speaker 2: context for what's actually going on on the ground here,

1130
01:01:40,440 --> 01:01:43,560
Speaker 2: just making these flippant comments. There's one there's an interview

1131
01:01:43,600 --> 01:01:46,080
Speaker 2: in particular which like I don't know if it'll translate

1132
01:01:46,160 --> 01:01:49,280
Speaker 2: super well if you don't have New Zealand context, but

1133
01:01:49,400 --> 01:01:51,640
Speaker 2: a guy called Jack Tame, who's one of our journalists

1134
01:01:51,680 --> 01:01:55,440
Speaker 2: for TV New Zealand here, interviewed David Seymour last week

1135
01:01:55,800 --> 01:01:58,720
Speaker 2: and kind of dismantled his argument pretty well.

1136
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Speaker 1: I thought.

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Speaker 2: He was like, if you've got an agreement between two parties,

1138
01:02:02,840 --> 01:02:05,560
Speaker 2: isn't it completely unjust that one of the parties, which

1139
01:02:05,560 --> 01:02:09,120
Speaker 2: is the government, gets to completely redefine the terms of

1140
01:02:09,160 --> 01:02:12,960
Speaker 2: it just ed its behest. Yeah, so it's an interesting

1141
01:02:13,000 --> 01:02:17,200
Speaker 2: moment to be living through. And yeah, I think David

1142
01:02:17,200 --> 01:02:21,320
Speaker 2: Seymour has underestimated just how much he's like kept the

1143
01:02:21,360 --> 01:02:23,360
Speaker 2: hornet's nest here, right, which is.

1144
01:02:23,360 --> 01:02:25,959
Speaker 1: Kind of cool to see. Yeah, I mean I think.

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01:02:26,080 --> 01:02:28,720
Speaker 3: I mean, like the one article I read that was

1146
01:02:28,760 --> 01:02:31,200
Speaker 3: like an on from nbcnews dot Com was just so

1147
01:02:32,840 --> 01:02:35,160
Speaker 3: like devoid of details. It was just kind of like

1148
01:02:35,200 --> 01:02:38,560
Speaker 3: they're talking about renegosh or redefining a contract to the

1149
01:02:38,920 --> 01:02:42,880
Speaker 3: certain support without really kind of drilling into the humanity

1150
01:02:42,880 --> 01:02:45,200
Speaker 3: of it and the history of it, because that's what's

1151
01:02:45,240 --> 01:02:48,120
Speaker 3: so important. And I think for an American audience, who

1152
01:02:48,400 --> 01:02:52,400
Speaker 3: obviously has its own terribly sordid history with how the

1153
01:02:52,440 --> 01:02:56,080
Speaker 3: government was interacting with Indigenous people, it's like a like

1154
01:02:56,480 --> 01:03:00,360
Speaker 3: unfathomable like that they're like wow, because the way this

1155
01:03:00,720 --> 01:03:04,520
Speaker 3: there was no treaty or anything. This was just merely

1156
01:03:04,640 --> 01:03:08,480
Speaker 3: like reforced relocation. And now we're saying, well, like, you know,

1157
01:03:08,520 --> 01:03:10,080
Speaker 3: you want to be your own coruntry, then don't ask

1158
01:03:10,240 --> 01:03:12,040
Speaker 3: us for help, and here you go, and we'll turn

1159
01:03:12,080 --> 01:03:14,000
Speaker 3: our backs on you and then wonder why things are

1160
01:03:14,040 --> 01:03:17,919
Speaker 3: falling apart, and yeah, I'm I'm always very heartened when

1161
01:03:17,920 --> 01:03:21,880
Speaker 3: I see how just how different our cultures are in

1162
01:03:21,920 --> 01:03:24,720
Speaker 3: that respect. And yeah, I mean I there is something

1163
01:03:24,720 --> 01:03:27,400
Speaker 3: to that that I would hope could be like something inspirational.

1164
01:03:27,400 --> 01:03:30,040
Speaker 3: But how are these like chud dudes trying to sort

1165
01:03:30,040 --> 01:03:31,960
Speaker 3: of hijack the conversation around.

1166
01:03:31,640 --> 01:03:34,400
Speaker 1: It's will that the manisphere has sided with like a

1167
01:03:34,440 --> 01:03:38,000
Speaker 1: politician who went on Dancing with the Stars and Dats

1168
01:03:38,280 --> 01:03:43,840
Speaker 1: Moore and like not the all black like you know, Rugby.

1169
01:03:43,920 --> 01:03:48,360
Speaker 1: It's like any credibility, any claim, like where there America

1170
01:03:48,600 --> 01:03:51,080
Speaker 1: is like having this crisis in media where they're like,

1171
01:03:51,160 --> 01:03:54,200
Speaker 1: how do we attract men like and be like more

1172
01:03:54,360 --> 01:03:56,680
Speaker 1: manly to attract and it's like it has nothing to

1173
01:03:56,680 --> 01:03:58,720
Speaker 1: do it. They just want to be fucking racist. They're

1174
01:03:58,800 --> 01:04:01,080
Speaker 1: just like that. Yeah, so much of it is just

1175
01:04:01,200 --> 01:04:05,600
Speaker 1: them looking for a fucking excuse to be fucking racist

1176
01:04:05,600 --> 01:04:08,800
Speaker 1: pieces of shit and like it has nothing to do

1177
01:04:09,200 --> 01:04:12,880
Speaker 1: Like if if ever there was an opportunity for them

1178
01:04:12,880 --> 01:04:18,640
Speaker 1: to be like, okay, which is the cooler, more manosphere thing, right,

1179
01:04:18,680 --> 01:04:21,960
Speaker 1: I think it would be citing with the Maori, not

1180
01:04:22,240 --> 01:04:26,120
Speaker 1: a hundred billionaire libertarians.

1181
01:04:25,200 --> 01:04:28,080
Speaker 2: The thing is that the other side of this is like,

1182
01:04:28,480 --> 01:04:32,400
Speaker 2: isn't it sort of part of you know, testosterone fuel

1183
01:04:32,560 --> 01:04:36,280
Speaker 2: man culture to be against the man, Like all your

1184
01:04:36,480 --> 01:04:38,640
Speaker 2: archetypes and heroes supposed to be the guy who's like

1185
01:04:38,680 --> 01:04:42,480
Speaker 2: going against the system and defending you know, the down trodden.

1186
01:04:43,160 --> 01:04:44,960
Speaker 2: There is I don't think there could be a more

1187
01:04:45,000 --> 01:04:48,280
Speaker 2: stark example right now in New Zealand then the interest

1188
01:04:48,320 --> 01:04:51,360
Speaker 2: that David Seymour is representing and the molded people who

1189
01:04:51,360 --> 01:04:55,280
Speaker 2: are like just standing proud and strong and developing their

1190
01:04:55,280 --> 01:04:57,960
Speaker 2: own systems to enshrine their culture and their language and

1191
01:04:58,000 --> 01:05:00,440
Speaker 2: their rights you know that were given to of them

1192
01:05:01,280 --> 01:05:04,320
Speaker 2: not that long ago in a legal fucking document, which

1193
01:05:04,320 --> 01:05:06,960
Speaker 2: is the whole reason why white people are here in

1194
01:05:07,000 --> 01:05:10,640
Speaker 2: New Zealand. Like, surely they are there if you're looking

1195
01:05:10,680 --> 01:05:14,080
Speaker 2: for those kind of comic book style superhero archetypes, like

1196
01:05:14,520 --> 01:05:16,919
Speaker 2: you got one steering you in the face. But unfortunately, yeah,

1197
01:05:17,040 --> 01:05:18,640
Speaker 2: you would have to probably let go of a bit

1198
01:05:18,640 --> 01:05:23,440
Speaker 2: of your racism and intense kind of right wing libertarian

1199
01:05:23,800 --> 01:05:26,240
Speaker 2: economic political view, which is what a lot of this

1200
01:05:26,360 --> 01:05:28,000
Speaker 2: boils down to. And that's kind of the bit that

1201
01:05:28,480 --> 01:05:32,280
Speaker 2: I find exciting is what is good for maldi is

1202
01:05:32,320 --> 01:05:33,280
Speaker 2: good for everyone.

1203
01:05:33,680 --> 01:05:34,560
Speaker 1: Like it is. It is.

1204
01:05:35,760 --> 01:05:38,680
Speaker 2: It is stewarding the environment. It's like a deep connection

1205
01:05:38,760 --> 01:05:41,280
Speaker 2: and protection of the environment in saying like we need

1206
01:05:41,320 --> 01:05:44,040
Speaker 2: to protect the water that we fucking drink and the

1207
01:05:44,040 --> 01:05:47,760
Speaker 2: wildlife that lives in the environment that we inhabit, and

1208
01:05:48,200 --> 01:05:50,320
Speaker 2: the whole concept of land ownership, Like I know this

1209
01:05:50,400 --> 01:05:52,439
Speaker 2: is a common story with indigenous people around the world,

1210
01:05:52,480 --> 01:05:54,040
Speaker 2: but it's just like, what are you talking about. It's

1211
01:05:54,320 --> 01:05:55,720
Speaker 2: you don't own land.

1212
01:05:55,480 --> 01:05:56,040
Speaker 1: You fucko.

1213
01:05:56,360 --> 01:05:58,040
Speaker 2: You walk around on it and you kind of you

1214
01:05:58,080 --> 01:06:00,920
Speaker 2: can like take resources from it to sustain yourself, but

1215
01:06:01,480 --> 01:06:04,160
Speaker 2: reasonless extraction and stuff is just so antithetical to the

1216
01:06:04,200 --> 01:06:06,720
Speaker 2: Maori worldview by and large. And I always I don't

1217
01:06:06,720 --> 01:06:08,760
Speaker 2: want to get too out in front of my skis.

1218
01:06:09,000 --> 01:06:11,520
Speaker 2: I'm not Maori, so I don't want to represent the

1219
01:06:11,520 --> 01:06:14,480
Speaker 2: whole multi worldview. But it's a cool thing to watch

1220
01:06:14,520 --> 01:06:16,880
Speaker 2: as the New Zealander at the moment the pushback because

1221
01:06:16,880 --> 01:06:20,600
Speaker 2: it has been bigger and broader and louder than expected,

1222
01:06:20,680 --> 01:06:23,320
Speaker 2: and it is kind of nice to see around the world,

1223
01:06:23,360 --> 01:06:25,160
Speaker 2: even though it's drawing the attention of these right wing

1224
01:06:25,360 --> 01:06:28,959
Speaker 2: podcast dudes. The bulk of things that I'm seeing as well,

1225
01:06:29,000 --> 01:06:31,360
Speaker 2: like on read it and they're going, this looks fucking

1226
01:06:31,480 --> 01:06:32,680
Speaker 2: what's going on your parliament?

1227
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Speaker 1: Dude? That looks cool?

1228
01:06:35,160 --> 01:06:38,959
Speaker 3: Huh yeah, I mean yeah, it is interesting to see

1229
01:06:38,960 --> 01:06:41,400
Speaker 3: how I think it makes sense though, the two that

1230
01:06:41,480 --> 01:06:43,520
Speaker 3: like in the manisphere, they only respect sort of like

1231
01:06:43,640 --> 01:06:47,400
Speaker 3: violence and absolute power, so they would eventually suicide with

1232
01:06:47,480 --> 01:06:51,920
Speaker 3: colonizers to be like, well, you know, they got colonized.

1233
01:06:52,320 --> 01:06:54,760
Speaker 1: It is what it is exactly, dude.

1234
01:06:54,880 --> 01:06:57,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think that's what's kind of that's that's

1235
01:06:57,240 --> 01:06:59,520
Speaker 3: something that I think. I mean, I hope to see

1236
01:06:59,680 --> 01:07:02,320
Speaker 3: sort of that sentiment change. But the one thing that

1237
01:07:02,440 --> 01:07:04,640
Speaker 3: it feels like is becoming a theme more and more

1238
01:07:04,720 --> 01:07:07,400
Speaker 3: is like you get these sort of right wingers really

1239
01:07:07,560 --> 01:07:11,240
Speaker 3: get gassed up on their own bullshit and then they're like,

1240
01:07:11,400 --> 01:07:15,320
Speaker 3: oh not everyone thinks like this, and it's actually getting

1241
01:07:15,320 --> 01:07:17,800
Speaker 3: a massive response. Those are the kinds of things, and

1242
01:07:17,920 --> 01:07:20,320
Speaker 3: like we need to keep our eyes on because I

1243
01:07:20,360 --> 01:07:22,640
Speaker 3: think at the moment we're in this country, a lot

1244
01:07:22,640 --> 01:07:25,720
Speaker 3: of people are not sure what to do about anything,

1245
01:07:25,760 --> 01:07:27,880
Speaker 3: and summer just like do I just retreat to comfort?

1246
01:07:27,920 --> 01:07:30,400
Speaker 1: Do I just keep my head down? And I think

1247
01:07:30,400 --> 01:07:33,280
Speaker 1: a big thing is going to be about making yourself,

1248
01:07:33,320 --> 01:07:35,600
Speaker 1: like making it be known where you stand and what

1249
01:07:35,640 --> 01:07:39,520
Speaker 1: you stand for at a much deeper level. But that

1250
01:07:39,520 --> 01:07:44,600
Speaker 1: bridge will be crossed fairly shortly. Yeah, well put man,

1251
01:07:45,320 --> 01:07:48,000
Speaker 1: all right, Well, Tim, such a pleasure having you on

1252
01:07:48,040 --> 01:07:50,160
Speaker 1: the show, and I such a funny comedian and I

1253
01:07:50,280 --> 01:07:59,640
Speaker 1: just about how are we gonna not but how are

1254
01:07:59,640 --> 01:08:01,080
Speaker 1: we not going to talk about it? You know what

1255
01:08:01,080 --> 01:08:02,000
Speaker 1: I mean? That's just the thing.

1256
01:08:03,000 --> 01:08:06,040
Speaker 2: It is a thing to feel optimistic about. I think

1257
01:08:06,160 --> 01:08:07,200
Speaker 2: it's a cool thing.

1258
01:08:07,400 --> 01:08:09,560
Speaker 3: And we have to know, we have to be aware

1259
01:08:09,600 --> 01:08:12,320
Speaker 3: of our surroundings at a minimum, at a minimum. You know,

1260
01:08:12,400 --> 01:08:14,720
Speaker 3: sometimes it's not funny, but at the very least, we

1261
01:08:14,800 --> 01:08:16,760
Speaker 3: have to arm ourselves with the knowledge of what is

1262
01:08:16,760 --> 01:08:18,560
Speaker 3: happening around us at a minimum.

1263
01:08:18,680 --> 01:08:22,760
Speaker 1: Yeah. I like that. I like you guys. Yeah, and

1264
01:08:22,800 --> 01:08:28,479
Speaker 1: we like you. We love you, love as I love

1265
01:08:28,600 --> 01:08:32,080
Speaker 1: you that you specifically Okay, thank you. And this is

1266
01:08:32,360 --> 01:08:34,519
Speaker 1: this is the Joe Rogan of the left Ship. They

1267
01:08:34,520 --> 01:08:37,479
Speaker 1: need to be thinking about just guys love each other

1268
01:08:37,560 --> 01:08:38,599
Speaker 1: due this guy is so dope.

1269
01:08:38,640 --> 01:08:40,280
Speaker 3: I love this guy, man, This is so this is

1270
01:08:40,280 --> 01:08:43,280
Speaker 3: what I love about just international friendships, man, just being

1271
01:08:43,320 --> 01:08:44,679
Speaker 3: responsible towards each other.

1272
01:08:44,960 --> 01:08:49,000
Speaker 1: And I can't quite bring myself to get there and

1273
01:08:49,080 --> 01:08:54,160
Speaker 1: say I love you. We can say that as a man.

1274
01:08:54,880 --> 01:08:59,479
Speaker 1: I'm rooting for the rich guys who inherit. It looks

1275
01:08:59,520 --> 01:09:02,240
Speaker 1: like a guys in Dune who spend all their time

1276
01:09:02,240 --> 01:09:04,920
Speaker 1: floating in mudbounds to the Amazon.

1277
01:09:05,120 --> 01:09:07,439
Speaker 2: We'll find a shaman, will get you hooked up. We'll

1278
01:09:07,439 --> 01:09:09,439
Speaker 2: turn your whole wheeld around and you'll be You'll be

1279
01:09:09,560 --> 01:09:10,120
Speaker 2: peace and love.

1280
01:09:10,200 --> 01:09:13,760
Speaker 1: Exactly, man, exactly, dude, you're gonna let me in? Does

1281
01:09:13,760 --> 01:09:18,880
Speaker 1: it give me explosive diarrhea? Because now that's what I'm

1282
01:09:18,920 --> 01:09:21,479
Speaker 1: actually into that, that's what that's my friend, that's my

1283
01:09:21,600 --> 01:09:24,800
Speaker 1: question about everything. You need some of that? Yeah? Yeah,

1284
01:09:24,880 --> 01:09:28,280
Speaker 1: you lead with you're welcome. Every time you greet someone

1285
01:09:28,400 --> 01:09:32,839
Speaker 1: and ask immediately about anything. Does it give me explosive diarrhea? Uh? Tim?

1286
01:09:33,200 --> 01:09:35,599
Speaker 1: Where can people find you? Follow you here? You see

1287
01:09:35,640 --> 01:09:36,479
Speaker 1: you all that good stuff.

1288
01:09:37,520 --> 01:09:39,920
Speaker 2: I really feel like I'm retreating from the Internet at

1289
01:09:39,960 --> 01:09:42,120
Speaker 2: the moment, and I don't mind that at all. I've

1290
01:09:42,840 --> 01:09:45,800
Speaker 2: I was Instagram is a fun place to be for

1291
01:09:45,920 --> 01:09:48,040
Speaker 2: now until Elon musk By is that one too?

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Speaker 1: Sure? So I don't even know what I am? What am? I?

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Speaker 2: Tim underscore bat inst But you know what, just wait

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Speaker 2: for me to come back to the daily guys find

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Speaker 2: me exactly like Gandalf.

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Speaker 1: Is there a work of media that you've been enjoying?

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Speaker 2: Oh, yes there is. I'll give a quick shout out

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Speaker 2: sorry because it just came out. Till Death to Us

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Speaker 2: Blat and Will podcast I'm part of where we watch

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Speaker 2: Paul Blatmore Coop two. We just celebrated our tenth year.

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Speaker 2: Myself and Guy Montgomery flew to Las Vegas to go

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Speaker 2: to where the movie is set. The three guys in America,

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Speaker 2: the McLeroy brothers that we do the podcast with, did

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Speaker 2: not come to Vegas, so we flew fourteen hours to

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Speaker 2: go on a zoom call effectively inside the Wind casino

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Speaker 2: and hotel, which was great fun. So you can check

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Speaker 2: out Till Death to Us Blat where if you get

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Speaker 2: your podcasts. The piece of media I want to shout

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Speaker 2: out on top of that, if I may, is a

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Speaker 2: guy called I don't know if you guys have hit

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Speaker 2: Andy Roussou. I think I'm probably saying his name is wrong. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and he's like beg on tech Talk. He's a young

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Speaker 2: dude r O U Sso how would you say that?

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Speaker 1: Oh?

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Speaker 3: Are you?

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Speaker 1: Oh?

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Speaker 2: You ralso Yeah, there's problem. This guy is just so

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Speaker 2: sensationally funny he did, and particularly this one. I think

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Speaker 2: you put it out a year ago, but it's new

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Speaker 2: to me, where he talks about why Duncan suddenly has

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Speaker 2: dry ass donuts and he's just got this beautiful, like

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Speaker 2: sense of escalation. I'm going to spoil it for you

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Speaker 2: because there's lots of great ones there, but it's like

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Speaker 2: employee talking to the manager about like, why have we

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Speaker 2: started making these fucking horrible dry ars donuts? And then

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Speaker 2: the turners we've been developing them for NASA to use

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Speaker 2: as a heat shield for this messile which is going

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Speaker 2: to avoid this comic which is on course to destroy Earth.

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Speaker 2: And then suddenly the employee has gone from incredibly you know,

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Speaker 2: standing confused about these dry ass donuts to so proud

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Speaker 2: that he's on the side that's trying to fight for humanity.

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Speaker 2: And he's fucking hilarious. Man, He's he's yeah, he's very

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Speaker 2: very funny, awesome miles.

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Speaker 11: Where can people find you? Is there a working media

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Speaker 11: you've been enjoying? Yeah, everywhere, everywhere, more more so on

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Speaker 11: Blue Sky though at Miles of Gray. Pretty much find

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Speaker 11: Jack and I in the basketball podcast when I was

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Speaker 11: in jackott Man Boostie.

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Speaker 3: You can find me talking ninety day fans for twenty

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Speaker 3: Day Viance piece of media.

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Speaker 1: Like nothing specific. I would just say, uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: take if you if you have the time off on

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Speaker 1: the weekend, just just honestly, just do watch something you love. Like,

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Speaker 1: watch whatever movie you like you loved in your youth

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Speaker 1: and you forgot about and you haven't seen it in

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Speaker 1: fifteen years. Watch that ship. It's probably gonna suck, but

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Speaker 1: I'm it's gonna hit your brain in weird ways. I

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Speaker 1: just watched that movie Little Monsters recently with.

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Speaker 3: Ben Savage and Howie Mandel, and I was like, gosh, yeah,

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Speaker 3: I was like this ship. I was trying to get

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Speaker 3: her majesty to watch, like this shit fucking goes and

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Speaker 3: we watched them, like yo, what the fuck? But still

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Speaker 3: it was like you kid, yeah, oh I loved it.

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Speaker 3: I loved it, But it was more interesting to see

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Speaker 3: how like you now look at things differently, but it's

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Speaker 3: still had these like like these nostalgia endorphins hit my

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Speaker 3: brain in a way I was not anticipating. So whatever

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Speaker 3: that is for you, I encourage you to do that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Like I still have the geography of that world

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Speaker 1: of the like under a world. Yeah yeah, very specific

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Speaker 1: aesthetic of the little monsters. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Uh.

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Speaker 1: You can find me on Blue Sky, which I'm back

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Speaker 1: in on after Janey Danger recent guest turned me onto

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Speaker 1: this like starter pack of people to follow from Juniper

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Speaker 1: dot Beer on on Blue Sky that has helped a lot.

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Speaker 1: I highly recommend using that start to get Yeah, you'll

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Speaker 1: get a you'll get a bunch of good follows, and

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Speaker 1: then you'll stop getting all the all the the stuff

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Speaker 1: that I was complaining about with regards to Blue Sky

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Speaker 1: the other day. You can find me over there at

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Speaker 1: Jack O b One on Blue Sky, Jack the Letter Oh,

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Speaker 1: the Letter B the number one fucking twist, Jack Underscore

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Speaker 1: O Brian on Twitter. You can find us on Twitter

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Speaker 1: at daily Zeikeeist. We're at the Daily Zeikeeist on Instagram.

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Speaker 1: We have a Facebook fan page on a website daily

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Speaker 1: zeikeist dot com where we post our episodes into our

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Speaker 1: footnotes look off to the information that we talked about

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Speaker 1: in today's episode, as well as a song that we

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Speaker 1: think you might enjoy miles with song. Do you think

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Speaker 1: people might enjoy it? Oh?

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Speaker 3: I would be completely irresponsible as someone from Los Angeles

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Speaker 3: to not at least recommend I'm just the entirety of

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Speaker 3: the GNX.

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Speaker 1: Album, the new Kendrick Lamar album.

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Speaker 3: If you've listened to this show this last week, and

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Speaker 3: whether it was this show or even on Mad Boosties

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Speaker 3: where Blake and I and Jabbari couldn't stop saying.

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Speaker 1: Peeable, peekaboo, peekaboo. Uh look, get in on it.

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Speaker 3: At the very least check out peekapoo, and then you

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Speaker 3: can get in on the renaissance, the revolution that is

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Speaker 3: happening where we you know, asking what they talk about,

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Speaker 3: they time on they about anyway, get in on that.

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Speaker 3: My recommendation, Peekaboo, Kendrick Lamar have a great one.

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Speaker 1: Hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey.

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Speaker 1: That's also in that song. All right, we'll link off

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Speaker 1: to that in the footnotes. The Dailies Geist is a

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Speaker 1: production of iHeartRadio. For more podcasts from my Heart Radio,

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Speaker 1: visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast or wherever you listen

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Speaker 1: to your favorite shows. That is going to do it

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Speaker 1: for us this morning and this week we're back on Monday. Monday.

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Speaker 1: We'll also I have the Greatest Hits compilation on Saturday,

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Speaker 1: the Weekly Guys, which you can check out if you

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Speaker 1: met somebody game this week, and we will talk to

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Speaker 1: you on Monday to tell you what was trending over

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Speaker 1: the long weekend. We'll talk to y'all then Bye.