WEBVTT - Questlove Supreme: André 3000 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:15.680 Quest Love Supreme is a production of iHeart Radio. All Right, 0:00:15.760 --> 0:00:22.000 ladies and gentlemen, do not attempt to adjust your dial. 0:00:22.880 --> 0:00:24.560 I'm so old school, of course, I would say a 0:00:24.600 --> 0:00:28.520 dial as if it was a radio. We learned on 0:00:28.560 --> 0:00:31.000 a previous episode of Quest Love Supreme you gotta file 0:00:31.080 --> 0:00:38.400 the light. And so we're doing something rather different. This 0:00:38.520 --> 0:00:42.000 is going to be a one on one interview, and 0:00:45.520 --> 0:00:52.080 you know, oftentimes we just have to you know what, Okay. 0:00:52.320 --> 0:00:54.720 Normally I would do my normal jargon of you know, 0:00:55.280 --> 0:00:57.040 we have greatness in the room and da da da da, 0:00:57.280 --> 0:01:00.160 But I feel that's a lot of pressure. Sometimes, oh, 0:01:00.920 --> 0:01:05.640 I will just simply say that there is an episode 0:01:07.040 --> 0:01:12.080 of two friends, two colleagues having a conversation with each other, 0:01:15.400 --> 0:01:21.960 and uh, I don't know it's happening, Ladies and gentlemen, 0:01:23.280 --> 0:01:26.720 there's a conversation with the one and only. How do 0:01:26.760 --> 0:01:32.840 I describe Andre Lauren Benjamin aka three stacks shit, he's 0:01:32.840 --> 0:01:35.199 so enlightened he might be four stacks right about now 0:01:36.440 --> 0:01:44.039 aka Johnny Vulture, Sunny Bridges. I forgot about just chipped 0:01:44.040 --> 0:01:49.680 out the nicest Gemini I know, like he's the acceptance 0:01:49.760 --> 0:01:56.520 of my new Gemini's rule. Sorry, about that. Come on, now, 0:01:56.760 --> 0:02:00.960 you're man. You're made Gemini though, So you know, I 0:02:01.240 --> 0:02:03.920 like to think you're more tarist adjacent than Junie Geminis. 0:02:03.960 --> 0:02:05.720 I don't know, I don't. I don't get along with 0:02:05.800 --> 0:02:10.040 many June Geminis. So Gemini is crazy, man, like exactly. 0:02:10.440 --> 0:02:13.720 Yes, you are all crazy, but so crazy that you 0:02:13.919 --> 0:02:16.920 just into it. Like whatever we're into, we're crazy about it. 0:02:17.639 --> 0:02:20.120 Yeah. No, you guys are bold. I mean, look, dude, 0:02:20.400 --> 0:02:24.000 our hero Prince is a Gemini. Yeah, so many Geminis 0:02:24.000 --> 0:02:27.200 out there. Yeah. So yeah, I want to do something 0:02:27.880 --> 0:02:30.200 a bit different because I know you're on a press 0:02:30.280 --> 0:02:33.240 run and I know when an artist does a press 0:02:33.320 --> 0:02:35.079 run where you're just doing an interview at the interview, 0:02:35.120 --> 0:02:38.280 at the interview to interview, the muscle memory kicks in. 0:02:38.480 --> 0:02:41.200 You're answering the same exact questions over and over again. 0:02:42.000 --> 0:02:44.840 And I kind of want to use this as an 0:02:44.840 --> 0:02:48.600 opportunity to actually to get to know you as a human. 0:02:48.919 --> 0:02:52.239 All right, let's stretch Dan. Yeah, And so I'm yeah, 0:02:52.240 --> 0:02:56.639 I'll say that I'm taking a three thousand approach in 0:02:57.000 --> 0:02:59.959 quest love Supreme Land, and I'm gonna throw out questions 0:03:00.080 --> 0:03:07.440 that I wouldn't typically ask on AQLS episode and no, no, no, 0:03:07.560 --> 0:03:10.640 this is gonna get fun. Yeah, I assure you, I 0:03:10.639 --> 0:03:13.960 assure you it's that. So my first question to you 0:03:14.680 --> 0:03:18.800 is what time do you wake up in the morning, 0:03:19.080 --> 0:03:21.480 just automatically, not like on the clock that I got 0:03:21.520 --> 0:03:23.680 to get to the airport, but what's your body clock? 0:03:23.720 --> 0:03:24.760 When do you wake up? 0:03:25.680 --> 0:03:31.720 About about eight eight am? Maybe like naturally about eight am? 0:03:31.800 --> 0:03:35.320 Naturally eight am? Okay, do you have a morning routine? 0:03:35.920 --> 0:03:38.080 What do you do in the first half hour of 0:03:38.120 --> 0:03:38.640 your day? 0:03:39.600 --> 0:03:42.880 Like, I've never used social media, so I've never had 0:03:42.880 --> 0:03:46.360 a Twitter account. I only have an Instagram account now 0:03:46.400 --> 0:03:49.240 to preserve my name, but I've never ever posted anything 0:03:49.280 --> 0:03:53.000 in my life. So it's funny that when I see 0:03:53.040 --> 0:03:56.680 most people in the world and they're constantly checking their Instagram, 0:03:56.760 --> 0:03:58.600 like you know, kind of going through these little things. 0:03:58.640 --> 0:04:00.640 So when I get up in the morning, I have 0:04:00.760 --> 0:04:04.640 my TV set up to like I'm a YouTube person, man, 0:04:04.720 --> 0:04:07.640 Like YouTube is my university. So I just watch a 0:04:07.680 --> 0:04:11.880 whole bunch of shorts, just random, random shorts. I guess 0:04:11.880 --> 0:04:16.479 the same thing someone would do scrolling through Instagram. But yeah, 0:04:16.520 --> 0:04:21.200 I kind of get thrown stuff from the youtubel. 0:04:20.880 --> 0:04:24.080 Alga, Okay, where do you live? 0:04:24.880 --> 0:04:27.120 I live in Venice Beach. I live a few blocks 0:04:27.160 --> 0:04:29.600 up from here. I live in Venice Beach, California. How 0:04:29.600 --> 0:04:31.160 long have you lived out in Venice? 0:04:31.400 --> 0:04:34.440 About four? Four or five years now? Maybe? So was 0:04:34.480 --> 0:04:36.640 there every time you lived in New York? Yeah? 0:04:36.720 --> 0:04:38.479 I lived in New York for four years before I 0:04:38.520 --> 0:04:43.040 came here. So I lived in Atlanta, lived in Dallas 0:04:43.400 --> 0:04:46.200 for two years. Then I moved to New York for 0:04:46.240 --> 0:04:49.760 about three years maybe, and then then moved here. 0:04:49.920 --> 0:04:54.440 I heard a crazy room. Are you a fishing a fishonado? No? 0:04:55.200 --> 0:04:58.159 I started going deep sea fishing, like my family took 0:04:58.160 --> 0:05:01.360 me dee deep sea fishing, and I enjoyed. And I 0:05:01.400 --> 0:05:03.880 invited a big boy on a on a couple of them, 0:05:03.880 --> 0:05:06.280 and big boy like he's been running with it, Like 0:05:06.400 --> 0:05:09.160 big boy goes out in deep sea fishes all the time. 0:05:09.360 --> 0:05:12.279 So I think you may be confusing me with big boy. Well, 0:05:12.680 --> 0:05:15.760 I heard that someone told me like in Long Island 0:05:15.760 --> 0:05:18.680 once that you like I saw one hundred and three 0:05:18.720 --> 0:05:21.359 thousand like going fishing in Long Island. I was like, 0:05:21.360 --> 0:05:23.120 Long Island, he's not from New York. And it's like, yeah, 0:05:23.120 --> 0:05:23.760 he's from New York. 0:05:24.000 --> 0:05:29.200 So now what do young people say? That's cal Okay, 0:05:30.040 --> 0:05:35.040 that's a good room. I mean, fishing is awesome, you know, now, 0:05:35.279 --> 0:05:37.600 just I've never done it in Long Island. 0:05:37.360 --> 0:05:42.520 Though, okay. And these are also non secuitur and random questions. 0:05:42.520 --> 0:05:47.480 No, I love these kind of questions, like you're interviewing me, like, like, well, 0:05:47.760 --> 0:05:51.640 when we go to Europe, they asked different questions. 0:05:51.320 --> 0:05:53.560 Exactly, you know what I mean. I like figure you're 0:05:53.560 --> 0:05:55.640 just tired of asking the same thing. Where have you been? 0:05:56.080 --> 0:06:00.800 You know? How many instruments do you play or can 0:06:00.880 --> 0:06:01.400 you play? 0:06:02.000 --> 0:06:06.839 I can mess around with maybe four or five to 0:06:06.920 --> 0:06:08.480 get a sound out of them. But I don't even 0:06:08.480 --> 0:06:10.800 consider myself a musician in that way, Like I can't 0:06:10.839 --> 0:06:11.839 even claim that. 0:06:12.760 --> 0:06:15.680 I know real musicians, you know. But I can write. 0:06:15.720 --> 0:06:17.560 I use them as kind of like writing to sometimes 0:06:17.600 --> 0:06:20.960 I can record myself doing it, but I'm not proficient. 0:06:21.480 --> 0:06:24.960 I'm probably more proficient on flute than I am on 0:06:25.080 --> 0:06:25.839 any of them. 0:06:26.360 --> 0:06:29.560 So in a world full of instruments, why. 0:06:29.400 --> 0:06:34.960 The flute natural? How I got there? How I discovered it? 0:06:35.000 --> 0:06:37.160 With instruments, you kind of you pick them up and 0:06:37.240 --> 0:06:39.159 you mess around with them, and you start to see 0:06:39.560 --> 0:06:42.680 where am I spending most of my time, and it 0:06:42.800 --> 0:06:44.880 ended up being the flute. But then I go through 0:06:44.880 --> 0:06:47.320 phases too, because I I did it with guitar for 0:06:47.360 --> 0:06:48.680 a little bit, then I did it with bass for 0:06:48.720 --> 0:06:51.560 a little bit, and then flute just happened to be 0:06:52.160 --> 0:06:56.440 the thing that I think stuck. And because I think 0:06:56.600 --> 0:06:59.280 the mobileness of a flute too, because I mean, right 0:06:59.279 --> 0:07:01.880 now I'm holding the flut. I cared it kind of everywhere, 0:07:01.920 --> 0:07:04.080 So any inspiration I get, I just pick it up 0:07:04.080 --> 0:07:04.960 and start messing around. 0:07:05.000 --> 0:07:07.000 I can't do that with a bass guitar. I can't 0:07:07.000 --> 0:07:08.120 do that with a piano. 0:07:08.760 --> 0:07:10.800 You can do it with a guitar acoustic maybe, but 0:07:11.720 --> 0:07:14.040 this is so unassuming and you just kind of carry 0:07:14.040 --> 0:07:17.640 it like you know. So I think that the portability 0:07:17.720 --> 0:07:21.560 of a flute probably made it my favorite. How many 0:07:21.600 --> 0:07:23.840 do you own about thirty thirty flutes? 0:07:23.840 --> 0:07:24.119 Maybe? 0:07:24.680 --> 0:07:27.720 So you have thirty versions of that, No, and they're 0:07:27.720 --> 0:07:31.320 all from different makers. But this style of flute, I 0:07:31.440 --> 0:07:34.880 probably owned more vs and my double flutes than any 0:07:34.960 --> 0:07:37.160 other style because it's kind of the flute that I 0:07:37.200 --> 0:07:40.320 really fell in love with the first, which is based 0:07:40.400 --> 0:07:45.640 in like meso American culture. You know Mayan and Nastec flutes, 0:07:45.880 --> 0:07:48.760 and now this is the Native American version of them, 0:07:49.040 --> 0:07:52.200 made by gear Moore. They were made of clay originally, 0:07:52.240 --> 0:07:55.200 but I own a lot of these. But I think 0:07:55.240 --> 0:07:57.760 once I started to go on the flute path, I 0:07:57.800 --> 0:08:01.920 started to get schooled by uber drivers because I play 0:08:01.960 --> 0:08:03.400 all the time, So I play in ubers, I play, 0:08:03.760 --> 0:08:07.200 I play in the back word yeah. And so if 0:08:07.240 --> 0:08:10.720 I'm playing and it's a Chinese driver, he'll turn around like, oh, man, 0:08:10.720 --> 0:08:12.880 that reminds me of my country. Or if it's Japanese, 0:08:12.920 --> 0:08:13.600 oh that reminds me. 0:08:14.280 --> 0:08:14.920 Oh, it reminds me. 0:08:15.040 --> 0:08:18.800 So everybody I'm playing the same flute, but every nationality 0:08:18.840 --> 0:08:21.720 of driver will turn around and tell me it reminds 0:08:21.800 --> 0:08:25.040 them of their country. So that let me know that culturally, 0:08:25.120 --> 0:08:27.440 every culture has a flute and a and a dram 0:08:27.520 --> 0:08:30.760 of course. But yeah, but I started to get schooled 0:08:31.600 --> 0:08:34.760 on the street and by uber drivers while people asking 0:08:34.800 --> 0:08:37.840 me about things like I was in Philly shooting the film, 0:08:37.840 --> 0:08:39.360 and I spent a lot of time in Philly and 0:08:39.400 --> 0:08:42.439 I would just walk and play, and this dude comes 0:08:42.520 --> 0:08:44.240 up to me and he's like, oh, you're doing that 0:08:44.320 --> 0:08:46.440 Japanese thing, and I was like, what Japanese thing are 0:08:46.440 --> 0:08:48.760 you talking about? And then he schools me and tell 0:08:48.800 --> 0:08:51.440 me that there was a whole shakahachi culture where you know, 0:08:51.480 --> 0:08:53.760 these Japanese players will walk around with baskets on their 0:08:53.800 --> 0:08:56.720 head to have no identity and no ego and just 0:08:56.760 --> 0:08:57.439 play for people. 0:08:57.520 --> 0:08:58.120 That was the thing. End. 0:08:58.120 --> 0:09:00.120 I would just walk around in public and play. So 0:09:00.160 --> 0:09:02.280 he was asking me was I doing that? Which I 0:09:02.320 --> 0:09:05.320 had no idea what that was, and went to research 0:09:05.400 --> 0:09:06.920 that and learned about that. 0:09:07.120 --> 0:09:09.960 I was going to say, there's a show that came 0:09:10.000 --> 0:09:13.760 on h in the seventies called Kung Fu Yes, and 0:09:13.840 --> 0:09:16.960 of which David Carodine's character is sort of and he 0:09:18.000 --> 0:09:21.280 Tarantinas sort of alluded to that and Kill Bill in 0:09:21.400 --> 0:09:24.120 which he played the same exact flute, like just walking 0:09:24.120 --> 0:09:28.320 around and start playing and okay, so yeah, I was wondering, like, wow, 0:09:28.320 --> 0:09:30.040 I wonder if he's in his kung fu face. 0:09:30.200 --> 0:09:32.120 It's it's just I'm being taught. 0:09:32.200 --> 0:09:34.960 I'm learning, and I see now that anything that I 0:09:34.960 --> 0:09:38.480 can blow when through and manipulate the notes with my fingers, 0:09:38.559 --> 0:09:41.000 I want to play it. So if I'm turned onto 0:09:41.720 --> 0:09:47.200 Persian nay flute or Indian bunstori flute or like a 0:09:47.240 --> 0:09:50.160 gore a Chinese go. Like I just like discovering things 0:09:50.160 --> 0:09:53.319 that I can blow, you know, and it's and it's fun, 0:09:53.520 --> 0:09:54.720 you know, paulse. 0:09:54.720 --> 0:09:57.960 How long did it How long did it take? How 0:09:57.960 --> 0:10:02.160 long did it take you for muscle memory to I 0:10:02.200 --> 0:10:03.720 get the feeling you're going to say, I have yet 0:10:03.720 --> 0:10:06.439 to master the flute, but oh yeah, man, I mean, 0:10:06.480 --> 0:10:10.240 but you do know, Like and right now when you're playing, 0:10:10.880 --> 0:10:13.679 are your hands telling you what to do? Or do 0:10:13.720 --> 0:10:17.400 you know that this particular position will yield this note 0:10:17.920 --> 0:10:18.680 and that note? 0:10:18.720 --> 0:10:23.080 And no, that's the fun and scary part about how 0:10:23.120 --> 0:10:25.760 I play, like when people hear the record like we've 0:10:25.760 --> 0:10:27.600 made it up as it was going So I'm discovering 0:10:27.600 --> 0:10:30.120 that melody as is going along, but I don't know 0:10:30.320 --> 0:10:31.120 what I'm doing. 0:10:31.000 --> 0:10:31.760 Until I do it. 0:10:32.040 --> 0:10:34.480 So like I couldn't like if you played a note 0:10:34.520 --> 0:10:36.719 for me right now on a keyboard, I cannot tell 0:10:36.760 --> 0:10:39.679 you what that note was. If you played a chord, 0:10:39.679 --> 0:10:43.679 I couldn't tell you. See, I understand when musicians talk 0:10:43.720 --> 0:10:46.960 about a key center or you know the bottom of 0:10:46.960 --> 0:10:49.080 this chord, but I don't know what that is. 0:10:49.160 --> 0:10:50.640 None of that. So for me. 0:10:50.720 --> 0:10:53.800 It's all physical and it's all shapes. So I do 0:10:53.960 --> 0:10:59.760 know if I take one finger and spread, I can't 0:11:00.120 --> 0:11:02.000 say it on the microphone or how to say it, 0:11:02.480 --> 0:11:04.440 but do these et kind of fingers. I know that 0:11:04.480 --> 0:11:06.719 gives me an odd note. That's all I know. I 0:11:07.360 --> 0:11:10.640 know it's odd, which may be of I don't know 0:11:10.679 --> 0:11:12.880 a flat or something. And I know if I put 0:11:12.920 --> 0:11:14.839 all my fingers down, I get a certain thing. So 0:11:15.160 --> 0:11:18.960 when I'm playing, I'm actually responding to what note I 0:11:19.080 --> 0:11:21.439 just played before, not knowing what that note is. So 0:11:22.040 --> 0:11:24.439 everything is on a tight rope. See you take one 0:11:24.440 --> 0:11:27.160 step at a time, purely one step at a time, 0:11:27.160 --> 0:11:29.679 but it is it is very physical. It is very 0:11:29.679 --> 0:11:32.360 physical because I'm trying to wheel something out because I 0:11:32.440 --> 0:11:35.200 know I never trained, so I have to find another way, 0:11:35.280 --> 0:11:36.800 another route to get to it. 0:11:36.960 --> 0:11:38.560 How often do you practice to day? 0:11:39.240 --> 0:11:41.480 I wouldn't even call it practice, which I'm now getting 0:11:41.640 --> 0:11:44.360 into practice, like because I started playing flute, Like I'm 0:11:44.360 --> 0:11:47.680 actually meeting like kick ass flute players, Like someone introduced 0:11:47.679 --> 0:11:50.840 me to shabaka and so Shebacca will show me exercise 0:11:51.000 --> 0:11:53.920 like but I've never done that before, and so I'm 0:11:54.000 --> 0:11:57.120 learning how to practice. I never went to college or anything, 0:11:57.120 --> 0:12:02.120 so I don't even have like the I just never 0:12:02.200 --> 0:12:04.679 had to study, so I don't have that. Emmy, It's 0:12:04.679 --> 0:12:07.280 all for me. It's always playing. I just try to 0:12:07.320 --> 0:12:09.679 play as much as possible, which ends up being studied. 0:12:09.679 --> 0:12:13.400 So even before I'm just always out playing. But I 0:12:13.400 --> 0:12:16.920 don't know, I don't have a regimen really, you know. 0:12:17.080 --> 0:12:20.000 Fun fact that's you're speaking for at least seventy percent 0:12:20.040 --> 0:12:23.839 of all musicians out there, Like I play by ear, yeah, 0:12:23.960 --> 0:12:28.040 I mean I've just recently, maybe in the last twenty years, 0:12:28.200 --> 0:12:31.000 and only because like some of the more intellectual roots 0:12:31.040 --> 0:12:35.000 will eye roll because I don't know. I didn't know 0:12:35.040 --> 0:12:38.840 previously how to say, like play a a C sharp sus. 0:12:39.960 --> 0:12:43.480 I know those words, but that's so that's foreign to me, right. 0:12:43.520 --> 0:12:47.240 But for the majority of creatives there there's. 0:12:47.040 --> 0:12:51.240 Two types of musicians, technical musicians and musicians that feel 0:12:51.360 --> 0:12:53.840 I'm a field musician. Totally feel like if you were 0:12:53.840 --> 0:12:56.200 to put notaate notes in front of me, I wouldn't 0:12:56.280 --> 0:12:58.400 know what the hell is in front of me. 0:12:58.440 --> 0:13:01.360 So I got to go feel Yeah, that's all I have, man, 0:13:01.400 --> 0:13:03.400 That's all I kind of and and the thing about 0:13:03.440 --> 0:13:06.000 hip hop too, hip hop forces you to do the 0:13:06.040 --> 0:13:11.400 immediate thing. I don't know, it's just a certain energy that, Yeah, 0:13:11.400 --> 0:13:13.080 I don't know. We just kind of have this kind 0:13:13.080 --> 0:13:16.480 of flying by the seat of our parents kind of thing. 0:13:16.520 --> 0:13:19.240 And so when I put it towards an instrument, I'm 0:13:19.320 --> 0:13:23.560 kind of transferring in that way of like we just 0:13:23.559 --> 0:13:25.920 try stuff, like we pick up something that's not supposed 0:13:25.960 --> 0:13:27.680 to be for a thing and make it for something else, 0:13:28.520 --> 0:13:28.720 you know. 0:13:28.880 --> 0:13:30.679 So I'm using a lot of that. 0:13:31.520 --> 0:13:36.040 How did you assemble the musicians for New Blue Son? 0:13:36.320 --> 0:13:37.640 How did it come together? 0:13:38.040 --> 0:13:41.839 It naturally came about by me meeting Carlos. Carlos Nino. 0:13:43.520 --> 0:13:47.120 We met. It's such a Venice Venus story. We met 0:13:47.120 --> 0:13:51.520 in airwine no joke, no joke, we met it. We 0:13:51.559 --> 0:13:51.920 met like. 0:13:53.640 --> 0:13:57.240 And actually, uh, Mike d from Beastie Boys was there 0:13:57.280 --> 0:13:59.640 at the meeting because I saw him in line checking 0:13:59.679 --> 0:14:00.640 out and I went up. 0:14:00.559 --> 0:14:02.880 To him something man, you know, and then Carlos comes up. 0:14:02.880 --> 0:14:04.880 So there's three of us standing right here at the 0:14:04.920 --> 0:14:09.319 cash register, right and Carlos invites us out to an 0:14:09.320 --> 0:14:12.439 event that he's doing at night, and yeah, we kind 0:14:12.440 --> 0:14:15.720 of started hanging out since then he had heard that 0:14:15.760 --> 0:14:17.560 I was in town in Venice, and people were like, 0:14:17.880 --> 0:14:20.120 I think y'all need to meet, you know, and some 0:14:20.160 --> 0:14:22.360 people would say that to Carlos, and Carlos was like, yeah, 0:14:22.360 --> 0:14:23.840 I'm gonna meet him, you know at some point, you know. 0:14:24.520 --> 0:14:27.760 And we finally ended up meeting and he invited me 0:14:27.800 --> 0:14:31.680 over to his house. We recorded in his garage, and 0:14:31.720 --> 0:14:34.120 that was kind of like our first kind of getting 0:14:34.160 --> 0:14:36.440 into it. And I knew I wanted to work on 0:14:36.520 --> 0:14:40.200 this Wind project, and I knew a lot of the 0:14:40.280 --> 0:14:41.320 sounds that I was looking for. 0:14:42.120 --> 0:14:43.920 Uh that's what That's what Carlos does. 0:14:43.960 --> 0:14:45.960 And so when he was brought him to the Fold, 0:14:46.000 --> 0:14:48.320 he was like, man, I know a lot of people 0:14:48.400 --> 0:14:50.760 I could bring, you know, to help. And so we 0:14:50.840 --> 0:14:53.560 tried out a lot of different outfits, you know, different situations, 0:14:53.600 --> 0:14:58.200 and the core four of us ended up kind of 0:14:58.280 --> 0:15:02.760 ended up being Yes, Aihen Nate, and but that ended 0:15:02.800 --> 0:15:05.440 up being the core, and then we would invite just 0:15:05.520 --> 0:15:08.960 anybody in to come and you know, hang out. But yeah, 0:15:09.000 --> 0:15:11.960 this album definitely, it couldn't have been made without Carlos Nino, 0:15:12.040 --> 0:15:12.920 like Nino is. 0:15:13.760 --> 0:15:15.360 What I love about Nino is. 0:15:15.560 --> 0:15:18.520 He reminds me of when I was producing earlier on 0:15:18.640 --> 0:15:21.440 for outcasts, Like there's a certain excitement, like he's more 0:15:21.480 --> 0:15:25.360 concerned with what's the most interesting thing? Okay, you know, 0:15:25.800 --> 0:15:29.280 and I love that. It's like kind of kid spirit, 0:15:29.840 --> 0:15:30.040 you know. 0:15:30.480 --> 0:15:34.920 So okay. In the credits of the album, under Carlos's title, 0:15:35.680 --> 0:15:40.000 there's also play like It's listed as gongs, various instruments, 0:15:40.080 --> 0:15:44.280 and then there's plants. How are plants a part of 0:15:44.320 --> 0:15:48.520 the instrumentation of this album? I mean, you will see 0:15:48.560 --> 0:15:49.720 when we when we play live. 0:15:49.840 --> 0:15:55.920 But sounds are everywhere, man, like anything is anything is 0:15:55.960 --> 0:15:59.400 a sound. You know, We've only settled on certain instruments 0:15:59.440 --> 0:16:03.360 because we're used to them. But like Colos may just 0:16:03.360 --> 0:16:05.720 grab a palm leaf off the side of the road 0:16:06.360 --> 0:16:07.360 and shake it. 0:16:07.440 --> 0:16:10.480 Oh okay, I see, you know what I mean? 0:16:10.600 --> 0:16:14.000 So I get anything like it could be a beanstalk 0:16:14.120 --> 0:16:16.720 or drive anything, you know, just whatever makes a cool 0:16:16.800 --> 0:16:17.600 noise that you like. 0:16:17.680 --> 0:16:19.560 And Colos has like. 0:16:19.560 --> 0:16:24.560 Man and a myriad of sounds of stuff anything like, Yeah, 0:16:24.720 --> 0:16:26.120 plants happen to be one of them. 0:16:26.440 --> 0:16:29.040 So what's the division of labor as far as the 0:16:29.080 --> 0:16:33.640 technical aspect. I'm only asking this because when I read 0:16:33.640 --> 0:16:36.920 the credits to your album, there's a name there, a 0:16:37.000 --> 0:16:45.760 legendary Philadelphia name, gentleman named Andy Kravitz. Andy mastered this album. Yes, now, 0:16:46.240 --> 0:16:53.480 Andy Kravitz to me is a very legendary Philadelphia native. Trauma. 0:16:53.880 --> 0:16:56.480 We got our record deal in nineteen ninety three. I 0:16:56.560 --> 0:17:02.200 used to intern at Ropoul's Records, and so Andy Kravitz 0:17:02.240 --> 0:17:04.440 was sort of like a house producer at Studio fifty four. 0:17:04.520 --> 0:17:06.520 So I'm there like when he's working with ten Dog, 0:17:07.880 --> 0:17:10.280 He's played on Steady be stuff and so I you know, 0:17:10.320 --> 0:17:14.160 he was like really the first hip hop drummer I've 0:17:14.200 --> 0:17:17.440 seen with my own eyes. Nothing sorry Bobby Simmons of 0:17:17.960 --> 0:17:21.280 steps to signing forgive me, but yeah, Andy Kravits like 0:17:21.480 --> 0:17:24.280 and then he just disappeared off the radar for like 0:17:24.440 --> 0:17:27.120 twenty and I always wondered what happened to him. So 0:17:27.200 --> 0:17:28.120 he's mastering. 0:17:28.840 --> 0:17:33.080 Yeah, it's so cool that the relationship, Like Carlos has 0:17:33.119 --> 0:17:36.720 worked with him before, and so his mastering studio is 0:17:36.760 --> 0:17:39.920 in Venice, so it was all in the neighborhood. So 0:17:40.080 --> 0:17:42.000 like his mastering studio is right by the beach, and 0:17:42.000 --> 0:17:43.639 we just kind of go to his house and he 0:17:43.760 --> 0:17:47.400 got like crazy equipment like knee. 0:17:47.040 --> 0:17:48.680 Boards, and a little bit of ass apartment. 0:17:49.400 --> 0:17:52.680 It's awesome. Like so basically I have to move to Venice. 0:17:53.640 --> 0:17:54.359 Why Venice? 0:17:54.680 --> 0:17:57.520 I have no idea, man like I got here havingstance, 0:17:57.640 --> 0:18:00.000 like I wasn't even supposed to be living in Ventage. 0:18:00.119 --> 0:18:01.880 And then this real estate agent lady and she was like, hey, 0:18:02.000 --> 0:18:03.919 check out this little house I got in Venice. I mean, 0:18:03.920 --> 0:18:06.080 it's just check it out. And all my friends in 0:18:06.200 --> 0:18:08.520 LA they were like, please, man, don't move to Venice. 0:18:08.560 --> 0:18:11.040 Like all right, LA people be like, man, we'll never 0:18:11.040 --> 0:18:12.320 see you because that's on the west side. 0:18:12.320 --> 0:18:14.639 That's way. Yeah. I was gonna say it's beautiful, but 0:18:14.720 --> 0:18:17.640 then I was like a man so much on sunset 0:18:17.720 --> 0:18:20.360 and all my favorite restaurants I would never know. 0:18:20.840 --> 0:18:23.080 But I never get back on that side though, Like 0:18:23.320 --> 0:18:26.159 everything I need is pretty much over here. And I 0:18:26.160 --> 0:18:30.560 think all of that, like me moving to Venice, catapulted 0:18:30.640 --> 0:18:33.840 me in the direction I needed to go. And I 0:18:33.880 --> 0:18:36.000 will say that because I met I went to a 0:18:36.000 --> 0:18:38.800 breathwork class in Venice. That's when I first heard this 0:18:39.040 --> 0:18:39.680 certain kind of. 0:18:39.600 --> 0:18:43.840 Flute that I love. And it was all because of Venice. 0:18:44.920 --> 0:18:49.639 So I have to say, sometimes them certain breadcrumbs. 0:18:49.040 --> 0:18:51.680 Or wherever You're wherever you are. 0:18:51.920 --> 0:18:54.000 Are for a reason, and you may not even know 0:18:54.040 --> 0:18:56.439 it at the time. But if I didn't move to Venice, 0:18:57.240 --> 0:18:58.680 this album probably wouldn't have been made. 0:18:59.320 --> 0:19:08.199 Okay, not in this way. What was the batter year 0:19:08.280 --> 0:19:11.480 or the starting year of your flute curiosity? 0:19:13.480 --> 0:19:18.280 I don't know the actual starting year, but I will 0:19:18.320 --> 0:19:20.160 say because it's me and college was just talking about 0:19:20.200 --> 0:19:23.760 it the other day. Since the love below, I've been 0:19:23.800 --> 0:19:27.440 interested in wind instruments, like I've messed around with saxophone, 0:19:27.440 --> 0:19:30.000 even though like and she lives in my life at 0:19:30.040 --> 0:19:33.960 the end, the horrible saxophone, that's me messing around on saxophone. 0:19:34.119 --> 0:19:37.240 Oh, I thought you had a free jazz saxophone players. 0:19:37.560 --> 0:19:40.520 That's me, that was you. Yeah, that's me playing. I 0:19:40.560 --> 0:19:42.840 have to listen to that. Okay, it's horrible. 0:19:42.880 --> 0:19:45.840 It's horrible, but it was like, I don't believe in 0:19:45.840 --> 0:19:49.399 wrong notes and I love Now. 0:19:49.400 --> 0:19:51.840 I got to go back and listen again. You're here, 0:19:52.040 --> 0:19:53.840 you're here. The thing is if you do with a 0:19:53.880 --> 0:19:55.080 straight face and confidence. 0:19:55.119 --> 0:19:57.639 Oh yeah, yeah, Oh, it's always for real. Now it's serious, 0:19:57.880 --> 0:20:01.120 even if it's horrible, you don't believe it, Okay. 0:20:01.080 --> 0:20:03.240 I just thought you had some free jazz. Okay, now 0:20:03.600 --> 0:20:04.760 I have to revisit that. 0:20:04.840 --> 0:20:08.760 So yeah, I started wanting to play saxophone first tenor 0:20:08.760 --> 0:20:11.879 saxophone because of John Coltrane. I mean because I was 0:20:11.880 --> 0:20:14.359 a fan of John Coltrane, and me reading bios of 0:20:14.400 --> 0:20:18.040 John Coltrane, I learned that he played clarinet in school 0:20:18.160 --> 0:20:21.439 first before he switched over to so I was. 0:20:21.440 --> 0:20:22.680 Like, well, let me give me a clarinet. 0:20:23.000 --> 0:20:26.280 So I bought a clarinet straight B flat, the straight 0:20:26.280 --> 0:20:28.960 one be flat clarinet, and I played around with for 0:20:29.880 --> 0:20:32.679 a few months. And then we were on tour and 0:20:32.760 --> 0:20:36.280 I went to a pawn shop in New York and 0:20:36.680 --> 0:20:39.639 there was this Selmer bass clarinet. 0:20:39.680 --> 0:20:41.359 I don't know why I was there, and I was like, this, 0:20:41.720 --> 0:20:42.640 it looked cool. A lot of time. 0:20:42.640 --> 0:20:44.120 I'm gonna track it to an instrument because the way 0:20:44.119 --> 0:20:46.320 it looked. And so I saw it and it was 0:20:46.400 --> 0:20:49.000 in its case, it was open, and it happened to 0:20:49.080 --> 0:20:52.720 be like a nineteen sixty seven Selmer bass clarinet. Bought 0:20:52.760 --> 0:20:54.960 it and as soon as I started playing it, like 0:20:55.200 --> 0:20:58.920 and the thing is with wind players, it's a thing 0:20:58.960 --> 0:21:01.960 called armbiture. It's kind of like how your mouth fits 0:21:02.040 --> 0:21:05.119 over the tip of the the read and all that 0:21:05.160 --> 0:21:07.600