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Speaker 1: This is the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson

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Speaker 1: on your home of the Black and Gold, Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Drive. I'm Dale Lollly. He is Matt Williamson,

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Speaker 1: and well this is Steelers Nation Radio. We're here from

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Speaker 1: four to six daily during the week over the course

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Speaker 1: of the season. This is what we do five days

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Speaker 1: a week. Of course, you can also hear us both

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Speaker 1: on different pregame stuff as well for the Steelers. Uh,

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Speaker 1: we can pretty much hear us talking Steelers twenty four

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Speaker 1: hours a day. I'll be hosting the post game show

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Speaker 1: as well for preseason, so final one of the yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 1: And of course the Steelers be heading into their final

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Speaker 1: preseason game on Sunday at four thirty. That's the final

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Speaker 1: preseason game of the preseason. Looking at it today and

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Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, that is the last pre game of

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Speaker 1: the preseason this year. There's two tonight, so we're gonna

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Speaker 1: pretty a weekend again. Then they all get a break there.

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Speaker 1: Of course, final cutdowns coming on Tuesday. They'll cut down

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Speaker 1: to a fifty three players, So this is a big

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Speaker 1: game for a lot of guys. I mean, you're looking

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Speaker 1: at seven more cuts to make here, And I mean,

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Speaker 1: I think it's a big game for the starting O

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Speaker 1: line are not going to get cut, you know. I

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Speaker 1: mean there's some people need to play better. Also a

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Speaker 1: big game for one Devin Bush. Massive massive game as

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Speaker 1: preseason games go, this is a massive game for him. Now.

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Speaker 1: I thought there was a improvement in his play from

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Speaker 1: week one to week two. I think, um, you know,

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Speaker 1: I thought he was assignment sound Um had four tackles

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Speaker 1: in the in the game against the Jaguars. Uh, he

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Speaker 1: got a lot of heat last week. Matt four gets

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Speaker 1: a lot of heat. Period, gets a lot of heat period,

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Speaker 1: I get, but he got a lot of heat last

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Speaker 1: week for his interview that he get did out at St.

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Speaker 1: Vincent College, his only interview of the training camp, and

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Speaker 1: a lot of people took it. You know. He said, look,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna be no matter what happens here this year,

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Speaker 1: I'm going to be in the NFL next year. So

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Speaker 1: I approached him yesterday and I said, hey, let's say,

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Speaker 1: can we talk about you know what what was said

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Speaker 1: last week? And he agreed, and so well let's let's

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Speaker 1: play it back and you'll hear there's there's some background

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Speaker 1: noise here and stuff. But this is your you get that,

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Speaker 1: you get the juice of the chat here as as

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Speaker 1: we talked to a Devin Bush yesterday, Yeah, that happens

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Speaker 1: to I think I never said I you know, that's

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Speaker 1: what I told, Like, I'm definitely I was yours about it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah that's let's be honest. But like you, no matter

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Speaker 1: what happens here this year, you're gonna be in the league.

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Speaker 1: That's what I'm just like, Okay, you've been okay, world,

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Speaker 1: say they picked me up right, Say okay, say I

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Speaker 1: don't come out if they picked me up with a

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Speaker 1: vet minimum still to be come right. I mean, I'm

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Speaker 1: twenty four years old. I mean, I'm sure you know

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Speaker 1: other first round picks that you want to try to

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Speaker 1: pick for. Read what I'm saying like, nobody's I'm not

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Speaker 1: gonna say nobody's not the picks up. What I'm saying is,

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Speaker 1: it's like what you might's gonna saying find comes to

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Speaker 1: some No, it was I'm not canding mommy, like at

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Speaker 1: least I'll make getting that shot. That's what I meant

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Speaker 1: my self was still being NFL. I'm not saying like

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Speaker 1: my NFL like because that's all I came off. That's

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Speaker 1: what that's I'm saying. They saw the video, it sounded

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Speaker 1: why it sounded wild once you the clip down for me,

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Speaker 1: iplained to you like that with when I was saying

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Speaker 1: it was I would go with the upstairs. I don't

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Speaker 1: know how they adjust their numbers and what's like what

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Speaker 1: their next plane is. So what if I'm not a

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Speaker 1: part of this, right, I gotta I gotta be honest.

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Speaker 1: And I said, so, you're just being realist. I'm probably

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Speaker 1: be honest. Yeah, I'm not gonna say it great my

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Speaker 1: hard you know I beer, I love it beer. I

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Speaker 1: love to stay here. I'm gonna work extremely hard to

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Speaker 1: stay like cost I'd working streaming hard. You an to

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Speaker 1: make it right. That's the thing that like, Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: gets the argument. He just it looks like he doesn't care.

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Speaker 1: I said, no, I know that's not the cage that

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Speaker 1: she got can work. Yeah, it's like this man, Okay,

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Speaker 1: I did everybody that that that toured it into your

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Speaker 1: ty twy Who was the only one that played next season.

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Speaker 1: He's the only one Odell Barkley two most posed to

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Speaker 1: ruled him out. The first four games. I came back

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Speaker 1: in the first the first game, it gets the builds

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Speaker 1: You don't do that stuff. You don't care, you don't

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Speaker 1: need you know what I mean, Like you know, you know,

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Speaker 1: you know, like you know makes sense though saying like this,

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Speaker 1: it's self explanatory portions. That's that's all I meant. I

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Speaker 1: his first let's gonna be the crests now party is

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Speaker 1: done around me, you know, That's all I was saying.

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Speaker 1: But they have to be here, you know what I'm saying,

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Speaker 1: Like I said, I would love it there, but I

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Speaker 1: can't sit here and saying I want to be so

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Speaker 1: bad one to work when my tail office stay here,

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Speaker 1: but then next year then like what you gotta go

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Speaker 1: Now I'm sit right, No, I get set myself up

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Speaker 1: for disappointment, keep my mind opening for work as long

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Speaker 1: as I can't hear and make players here and and

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Speaker 1: and be be a good player here and and see

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Speaker 1: see where it goes after after the season. And little

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Speaker 1: they what if they resigned me during the season, but

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Speaker 1: if they went through after the season, like you know,

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Speaker 1: when they were trying shot they trade me. Yeah, nobody

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Speaker 1: looks like you saying you're shot to trade you, you

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Speaker 1: don't know, I'll get your gun. That's all. I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: trying to be like, yes, she expect for me like that.

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Speaker 1: I wasn't trying to be that way. I was just

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Speaker 1: like TI down, I'm gonna get a shot. But in

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Speaker 1: all those sales, we'll see by the end of this year, right,

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Speaker 1: you feel like you you played okay the second I think,

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Speaker 1: I think, I think we all learning as a group

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Speaker 1: because you know, we got t a now, so we

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Speaker 1: got new DC, we got new coaching coach, we got flows.

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Speaker 1: So I think we're just trying to put it all together.

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Speaker 1: So I mean, individually, I think I think I did

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Speaker 1: saw it as an assignment what I like to make

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Speaker 1: did a really good job. That's just they keep telling

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Speaker 1: me like you're assignment. Stuff is good to see that

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Speaker 1: it had splash splashes it was I was doing. I

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Speaker 1: it was not making splash like that. But I was

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Speaker 1: playing solid, but I wasn't making splashes. I got my

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Speaker 1: was like it was there, but you know, this stuff happened.

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Speaker 1: So it as I see that as my career is

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Speaker 1: gonna be a story to tell. I don't I don't

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Speaker 1: mean to come off as a dude. I don't care

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Speaker 1: like you know, come awhere every day and I'm in

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Speaker 1: the sun, sweat and I was just in the trobe

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Speaker 1: in middle nowhere. If I didn't care, i'd have I'd

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Speaker 1: have been retired. You know, you can't played his game

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Speaker 1: and not care. That was Devin Bush yesterday with with

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Speaker 1: me in the Steelers locker room. I can tell you

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Speaker 1: amongst others. Yeah, you heard when when he said that,

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Speaker 1: you know, I could get traded. Miles Jack chimed in,

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Speaker 1: you know what. I was walking by and chimed in,

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Speaker 1: you know what that could happen. I mean, these guys

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Speaker 1: are realists, they're businessmen. They've been instructed. You know, the

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Speaker 1: league is a very cold league at NFL, not for long.

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Speaker 1: You know that it will find someone just like you,

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Speaker 1: and they know these things. They understand the competitiveness, they

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Speaker 1: understand the business side of things. I had zero problem

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Speaker 1: with what he said. I thought that was a great

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Speaker 1: to realize he's right. He's going to play in football

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Speaker 1: next year. I mean he's going to be in the league.

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Speaker 1: He get franchised by the Steelers, he might get traded

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Speaker 1: at the trade deadline, he may sign the biggest linebacker

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Speaker 1: deal in the history of the league. He may sign

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Speaker 1: a league minimum deal with the Bears. Are you something

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Speaker 1: bottom feeding team? But he's gonna get a shot. Josh

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Speaker 1: Rosen's in the league. Josh Rosen, That's a good way

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Speaker 1: to put it. Josh Rosen was the tenth pick in

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Speaker 1: the draft and is on his fifth NFL team and

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Speaker 1: has proven time and again that he can't play. He

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Speaker 1: doesn't have thirty seconds of good tape in the league.

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Speaker 1: And he's still in the league. So you know the

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Speaker 1: Bush is going to be in the league. That's not

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Speaker 1: out of place at all to say that. And I

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Speaker 1: think the assignment stuff is great and he kind of

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Speaker 1: right now. But that could come. Yeah, I mean those

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Speaker 1: can be things too that that you know, the turnovers

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Speaker 1: coming bunches, we see it. You know, last year, what happens,

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Speaker 1: what's going on with MAKEA Fitzpatrick. He didn't have the

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Speaker 1: assignment wise, he's doing what he's supposed to do out there,

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Speaker 1: and so this, you know, the splash stuff will come. Uh, Matt,

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Speaker 1: at the linebackers who have been drafted in the NFL

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Speaker 1: since Ryan Sheas. I went every off the ball linebackers.

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Speaker 1: So I'm gonna talking about t J. Watton, Bud dupri

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Speaker 1: the ball guys that we went between now and when

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Speaker 1: Shazer was picked in two thousand fourteen in the first round.

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Speaker 1: It's remarkable. I mean, yeah, no one thinks at this

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Speaker 1: point late August of two tho trading up for Bush

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Speaker 1: was a good idea, but I do think the league

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Speaker 1: should take some of this data and say, wow, there's

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Speaker 1: maybe a shortage here that more than we thought. You know,

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Speaker 1: is it worth taking risks or is this a position

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Speaker 1: that the hit rates so low? Maybe a draft and

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Speaker 1: extra guy on day two instead of you know, using

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Speaker 1: first round picks on these dudes. Because it a hard

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Speaker 1: We've said this a million times and it's not defending Bush.

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Speaker 1: It's just fact, and we're about to back it up.

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Speaker 1: It's an extremely hard position to play as a young

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Speaker 1: player now in the league because the offenses just manipulate

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Speaker 1: you like crazy. The speed and the way it's played.

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Speaker 1: College verse pro is night and day. You really have

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Speaker 1: to be like three players rolled into one, as well

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Speaker 1: as sometimes a play caller. Yeah, and sometimes you know,

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Speaker 1: I think what happens as well as you know, there's

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Speaker 1: so much pressure on a first round pick. Do you

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Speaker 1: get out there and play early? Of course that you know,

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Speaker 1: you don't take as much time with those guys as

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Speaker 1: maybe you just throw a mat okay sink or swim yep.

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Speaker 1: And one of the mistakes you'll see when we go

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Speaker 1: through his first round picks are as you'd expect. And

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Speaker 1: this isn't only you know, a linebacker problem. A lot

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Speaker 1: of athletes not football players. You know, like, boy, he

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Speaker 1: ran super great and now he's a first rounder, but

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Speaker 1: does he diagnose well, you know, is he a Zach

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Speaker 1: a lot to be desired, especially if you couldn't change

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Speaker 1: we're still you know, uncomfortable. And again I'm not making

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Speaker 1: as a coverage player. Yeah, and those were strength and

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Speaker 1: weaknesses when he came out. Yeah, and they didn't play

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Speaker 1: a lot of his own in Michigan and half too

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Speaker 1: because they better athletes and so and he was really

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Speaker 1: to play and have played more man defense in recent years,

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Speaker 1: you know, because that's what they wanted to do. If

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Speaker 1: that's all everybody pounded the table for them to do

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Speaker 1: after they lost in the a FC Championships for the Patriots,

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Speaker 1: gotta play more man to make gotta play man to

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Speaker 1: man and it's harder in the middle of the field.

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Speaker 1: But I mean, if you can get Bush on a McCaffrey,

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Speaker 1: a Kamara swift and he can hold you win, that's

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Speaker 1: what he's meant to do. That's what that's what they

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Speaker 1: drafted him to do, right, the people who were expecting him, well,

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Speaker 1: he needs to He needs to go in there and

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Speaker 1: just stuff the run. And that's never been when he's that.

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Speaker 1: That doesn't have VU, That doesn't get you paid in

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Speaker 1: this league. You know, that doesn't have value. I mean, okay,

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Speaker 1: you misattack or two on inside run or you know

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Speaker 1: you're not you're not lambered against the run, that's so

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Speaker 1: be it. I mean that's not what the league's all

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Speaker 1: about now. I mean, it's covering ground, it's space, it's

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Speaker 1: coverage um and he has worked to do in all

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Speaker 1: those areas. And as everyone knows by now too, it

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Speaker 1: would have been nice to have a lu aluin for

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Speaker 1: well last year, and they drafted him knowing that they

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Speaker 1: got to protect them. Yeah, I mean that's the idea.

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Speaker 1: You know, when you have a two five pound inside linebacker,

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Speaker 1: you have to protect those guys because they're not going

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Speaker 1: to take on you know, he can't get off blocks.

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Speaker 1: How many thy pound guys do get off the block

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Speaker 1: of pound offensive lineman that gets Once they get on him,

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Speaker 1: it's done. I bet if we brought in the thirty

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Speaker 1: two NFL linebacker coaches too, they would all say, when

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Speaker 1: I was growing up, you had to take on blocks,

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Speaker 1: and you know now you're allowed to run around him, right?

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Speaker 1: You know? That was like, oh, you can't run around

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Speaker 1: blocks your I mean that's finesse football. No, he realized

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Speaker 1: if I run a four four and I'm built like

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Speaker 1: Devin Bush, why would I take on Quentin Nelson when

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Speaker 1: I can run around him? You know? So we'll see,

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Speaker 1: and I want to see him play better. I'm not

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Speaker 1: saying he's he's playing great or anything of that of

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Speaker 1: that sort, but he's also not playing as poorly as

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Speaker 1: someone have you believe, and to get rid of him

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Speaker 1: caught him do what? Ever? Yeah? Exactly? Or how dare

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Speaker 1: he think he's gonna be in the league next year?

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Speaker 1: That's a privilege, you know, Yeah, he's a privilege. But

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Speaker 1: he's gonna be in the league next year. Yeah. I'll

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Speaker 1: bet dollars of donuts right now that Devin Bush will

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Speaker 1: play for somebody. He will be in somebody's training camp

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Speaker 1: next year. Yes, And there's two different arguments. Is he

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Speaker 1: living up to the draft slot. No, No one's going

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Speaker 1: to argue that. He probably would tell you he's living

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Speaker 1: up to it right now. But does that mean the

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Speaker 1: other side of that is, does that mean he doesn't

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Speaker 1: have any value or he's not your best option or

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Speaker 1: can't get better? It would be realistic about it, you know, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: absolutely he is. Matt Williams and I am Dale Lally.

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Speaker 1: You're listening to the drive here on Steelers Nation Radio.

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