WEBVTT - 04/28/21 DPS Hour 2 Mel Kiper Jr.

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<v Speaker 1>You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox

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<v Speaker 1>Sports Radio. Welcome to the program. It's our two on

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<v Speaker 1>this Wednesday, Dan and the Dan stan Patrick Show. Mel

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<v Speaker 1>kiper Draft Expert will join us coming up in about

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<v Speaker 1>twenty minutes. It's the calm before the storm, the day

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<v Speaker 1>before the day, and we do have a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>of news, or at least the potential for some news

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<v Speaker 1>some of the college football analyst insiders. We've got some

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<v Speaker 1>tweets that the FBS commissioners are considering expanding the college

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<v Speaker 1>football playoff from four schools up to double digit teams.

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<v Speaker 1>I sense twelve teams is building support, one source told

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<v Speaker 1>Stuart Mandel. Andy Staples also involved in this as well.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll talk to Andy coming up next hour. If you

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<v Speaker 1>look at a twelve team playoff. Now, if you do

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<v Speaker 1>the math, forty percent of the teams in the NFL

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<v Speaker 1>make the playoffs. In college football, nine percent would make

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<v Speaker 1>it if you bumped it up to twelve teams. So

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<v Speaker 1>still it's the hardest playoff to get into in all

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<v Speaker 1>of the sports. But if you looked at the twelve

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<v Speaker 1>team playoff based off of last year, Alabama would be

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<v Speaker 1>playing Coastal Carolina first round. Who would have thought in

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<v Speaker 1>any lifetime we would say, oh yeah, in the playoffs,

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<v Speaker 1>Coastal Carolina is going to face Alabama. I know they

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<v Speaker 1>would probably get blown out, but you still want to

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<v Speaker 1>get the chance. College football doesn't give you the chance.

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<v Speaker 1>There's no March Madness, there's no Butler, there's no George Mason,

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<v Speaker 1>there's no underdog storing. But Coastal Carolina against Alabama. Indiana

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<v Speaker 1>would play Notre Dame. How good is that? So that's

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<v Speaker 1>round one Indiana Notre Dame. Imagine how big that would

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<v Speaker 1>be in the state because Indiana it's a basque bowl school.

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<v Speaker 1>Now you get to go up against Notre Dame. I

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<v Speaker 1>know you're you're gonna say, well, they have no chance,

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<v Speaker 1>or maybe you do, pulling upset and then you get

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<v Speaker 1>blown out. After that, I understand all of that. All

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<v Speaker 1>you need is one day, one lucky day, and if

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<v Speaker 1>you're playing each other on a neutral site in a

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<v Speaker 1>bowl game. That way I can factor in the bowl games.

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<v Speaker 1>Now I can have more bowl games be more meaningful because,

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<v Speaker 1>let's face it, the bull games there's pomp and circumstance

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<v Speaker 1>and pageantry and a nice gift bag, but nobody cares

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<v Speaker 1>nobody remembers. Then it might be bragging rights for a

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<v Speaker 1>fan base. But imagine if you took the Outback Bowl

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<v Speaker 1>and it became a first round destination for one of

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<v Speaker 1>the playoff games, and then you graduated to the Cotton

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<v Speaker 1>Bowl and then after that you went to the Fiesta Bowl.

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<v Speaker 1>Then you make all of the bowl games relevant important

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<v Speaker 1>and tune in factor. Who would be some of the

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<v Speaker 1>other matchups in the first rumble, Like you said, they're

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<v Speaker 1>good first round. If it was a twelve team playoff,

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<v Speaker 1>Bama Coastal Carolina, Notre Dame, Indiana, Clemson, Oklahoma would be

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<v Speaker 1>a first round matchup. Those are heavyweights. Then you'd have

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<v Speaker 1>Ohio State Cincinnati, another in state game that would be

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<v Speaker 1>juicy in your state. Why you see Texas A and

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<v Speaker 1>M versus Georgia, that's awesome and an Iowa State Seaton's

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<v Speaker 1>team versus Florida. Yeah. So all it does is it

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<v Speaker 1>brings more teams in, more conferences in, more money in

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<v Speaker 1>and you're able to kind of replenches a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>these athletic departments. This is inevitable. Like for how many years,

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<v Speaker 1>at least a decade I fought with Bill Hancock of

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<v Speaker 1>you know college football and the you know the BCS.

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<v Speaker 1>He was the head of the BCS, and I would say, look, Bill,

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<v Speaker 1>it's expanding. Nobody wants it. None of the coaches want it.

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<v Speaker 1>And we'd have coaches on Steve Spurrier, I'd say, coach,

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<v Speaker 1>do you want this? They were open to it. Pete

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<v Speaker 1>Carroll was what USC, and I remember saying, it's happening.

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<v Speaker 1>Whether you want it or not. We're going to expand

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<v Speaker 1>we went from two to four, and I was on

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<v Speaker 1>record as saying I'd be satisfied with four. But given

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<v Speaker 1>what's happened now in college athletics, the importance of the

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<v Speaker 1>money to keep other programs alive within an athletic department

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<v Speaker 1>is paramount. And I do think it's a win win

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<v Speaker 1>for everybody involved here because you're going to have bowl

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<v Speaker 1>games benefit Now you're going to say, well, what about

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<v Speaker 1>the players? And that's always going to be there. And

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<v Speaker 1>with Mark Emritt's staying as the head of the NCAA,

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<v Speaker 1>you're not changing that. Now you own your likeness and

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<v Speaker 1>you may be able to capitalize and there may be

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<v Speaker 1>a cap on how much money you can make, but

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<v Speaker 1>Mark Emritt staying in there is the head of the NCAA.

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<v Speaker 1>We're not paying players anytime soon. Yes, McLevin. I if

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<v Speaker 1>you go to twelve teams with the Supreme Court ready

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<v Speaker 1>to rule on this, there's no way you could not

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<v Speaker 1>be able to pay players like this would be awful optics.

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<v Speaker 1>They're gonna have to pay the players if they do this.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, what is it they say it's coming out

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<v Speaker 1>in July. They're going to say that it's antitrust. You

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<v Speaker 1>cannot limit benefits players. I know they already gave him name, image, likeness,

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<v Speaker 1>which is going to be a lot of money to start.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe that's enough. Well that's what they thought that you

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<v Speaker 1>gotta go, Okay, how do we cut our losses here?

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<v Speaker 1>We'll give you name and likeness. Well, we'll give you

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<v Speaker 1>what's yours. We're going to give that back to you.

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<v Speaker 1>It's it interesting that someone like Page Bucklers can probably

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<v Speaker 1>make more a Yukon than in WNBA. If it goes

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<v Speaker 1>the right way, you could make a fair living here

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<v Speaker 1>in certain markets. You can certain cities, certain franchise certain teams.

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<v Speaker 1>I should say that you could make you know, a

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<v Speaker 1>pretty good amount of money. Yeah, Polly, the NSA is

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<v Speaker 1>a parent that won't give their kids an allowance, but

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<v Speaker 1>will allow their kid to get a paper out. That's it.

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<v Speaker 1>They avoid paying the kid by allowing them to work

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<v Speaker 1>outside the building for their money. That's what they're gonna do.

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<v Speaker 1>And by signing Mark Emeron, they're gonna sure that they

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<v Speaker 1>don't pay player. The parents also just happened to have

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<v Speaker 1>all the kids doing all the work around the house exactly,

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<v Speaker 1>being like, now, go do your paper route to get paid.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to the program, already in progress hour two. As

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<v Speaker 1>we interrupted our draft coverage to bring you that. We'll

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<v Speaker 1>get phone calls eight seven seven three d P Show

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<v Speaker 1>email address DPA, Dan Patrick dot com, Twitter handle a

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<v Speaker 1>DPS show And we have a poll question, mclovin. Are

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<v Speaker 1>we staying with that pole question for the second hour

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<v Speaker 1>of the program. So though Polly wants a side bet, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>a side bet, yeah, Now, keep in mind we already

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<v Speaker 1>got some side action, yeah, between Seaton and mcloven tomorrow

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<v Speaker 1>night based off Justin Fields. Yeah. The pull right now

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<v Speaker 1>is who will win the bet? Senior mcloven, I have

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<v Speaker 1>justin fields eight or lower. Seaton has some nine or higher.

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<v Speaker 1>Pie per place fifty seven percent say I'm going to win.

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<v Speaker 1>That one probably more about justin fields. Now, Polly and

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<v Speaker 1>I have a sidebt. Well, keep in mind, there was

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<v Speaker 1>a tweet that was just sent out late last hour,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm guessing this is from a football report. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>an athletic reporter, the athletic reporter, okay, saying that the

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<v Speaker 1>Patriots have inquired about moving up to number four overall,

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<v Speaker 1>with the object of desire being justin fields. Yeah. I

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<v Speaker 1>read that. It's a huge blow to my case because

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<v Speaker 1>anything that's reported on the Patriots, the exact opposite always happens. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but I'm guessing nobody has any information for the Patriots

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<v Speaker 1>that this came from the Falcons to create a market

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<v Speaker 1>here of Hey, somebody wants justin fields. Anybody else want

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<v Speaker 1>justin fields? All right? What else do you have in

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<v Speaker 1>clonbe So Polly and I still bet the payers will

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<v Speaker 1>get players will get paid in some form based on

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<v Speaker 1>the fact that the NCAA always loses these court cases

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<v Speaker 1>and three years later, like they try to limit coaches pay,

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<v Speaker 1>they lost, They try to limit name, image likeness, they

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<v Speaker 1>lost thet O'Bannon case. Now they're doing it. So eventually

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<v Speaker 1>this Supreme Court case is going to lead to some

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<v Speaker 1>form of payment. Now, normally I don't do like three

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<v Speaker 1>year bets, but the problem I did do a three

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<v Speaker 1>year bet with you on Trevor Lauren. Yeah, three years

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<v Speaker 1>ago I said he wouldn't be the number one overall pick.

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<v Speaker 1>You were just sort of playing the odds that the

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<v Speaker 1>quote unquote sure thing. It wasn't about Trevor Lawrence. It

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<v Speaker 1>was really the idea that a shure thing is really

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<v Speaker 1>a short thing. Yes, because we're usually not sure about

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<v Speaker 1>a sure thing. Is it funny that Trevor Lawrence has

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<v Speaker 1>stayed at this Yeah, it's such an anomaly. Yeah, but

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<v Speaker 1>they all dropped. Watson dropped, two A dropped, Sam Darnold dropped,

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<v Speaker 1>And we have a bet and I get a pie

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<v Speaker 1>to the face on Friday, assuming that it's definitely happening, right,

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<v Speaker 1>But then you could be getting pines to the face

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<v Speaker 1>on Friday as well. See, Yeah, you don't have a

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<v Speaker 1>fifteen pie downfall here. It could Yeah, I only get

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<v Speaker 1>one pie. If Justin Fields goes like fifteen, then you're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna get like six points. Yes, quick bet with mcleven.

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<v Speaker 1>Two years from today, we are still discussing that college

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<v Speaker 1>football players and basketball players are not getting paid by

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<v Speaker 1>the university athletic programs that are only getting money from

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<v Speaker 1>the likeness stuff, right mclevenne, that piece, I think it

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<v Speaker 1>takes five years. I think it took like five years

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<v Speaker 1>after that O'Bannon for name image likeness. It takes a while.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll do two years whatever. Who cares. We're never going

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<v Speaker 1>to remember this. Yeah, no, no. I told Mario he's

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<v Speaker 1>got to write these things down because we do make

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<v Speaker 1>these bets in the heat of the moment, and then

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<v Speaker 1>Mario will come back and say, you know you lost

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<v Speaker 1>a bet when there's like fourteen months ago. Oh okay,

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<v Speaker 1>you know there's a Twitter feed dep show bets that

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<v Speaker 1>takes out. We'd have no idea who runs it? Oh okay,

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<v Speaker 1>well that's good, Yeah, Paul, he doesn't Mario. No, he's

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<v Speaker 1>supposed to remember when we lose bets, not when you lose.

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<v Speaker 1>He's been here a while, he should know the policy.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll get phone calls coming up. Mel kiper draft expert

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<v Speaker 1>will join us for several reasons. The top quarterbacks are

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<v Speaker 1>usually gone by a number ten pick ten, and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the financial structure of the league gives extra incentive on

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<v Speaker 1>taking a quarterback because the price is reasonable. Didn't used

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<v Speaker 1>to be reasonable, but you took a quarterback that didn't

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<v Speaker 1>mean played right away. And one of the other reasons

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<v Speaker 1>is teams at the top of the draft normally need quarterbacks.

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<v Speaker 1>It's kind of rare when you have a team that

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<v Speaker 1>has a good quarterback and you're drafting in the top ten.

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<v Speaker 1>The good teams aren't there, otherwise they wouldn't be good.

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<v Speaker 1>But this year there are a few teams who are

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<v Speaker 1>the exceptions to the rule because they're not high up

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<v Speaker 1>in the draft, but they still need a quarterback. Defense

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<v Speaker 1>help Washington and Chicago make the playoffs. They don't have

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<v Speaker 1>high picks. They signed Ryan Fitzpatrick and the Bears signed

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<v Speaker 1>Andy Dalton, But you still get the feeling that maybe

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<v Speaker 1>the Bears are gonna be in the market for a quarterback.

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<v Speaker 1>What about the Steelers playoff team, But they got Ben

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<v Speaker 1>Roethlisberger at the end of his career. Then it becomes

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<v Speaker 1>a question of price. You know, how much does it

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<v Speaker 1>take to go up and get Trey Lancer justin fields,

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<v Speaker 1>So don't be surprised if certain teams call around to

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<v Speaker 1>find out if the answer is maybe yes to a

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<v Speaker 1>very important question on the ability to move up. Patriots

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<v Speaker 1>need to quarterback, Bears need a quarterback. Washington football team, see,

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<v Speaker 1>Washington football team is a good quarterback, not great, A

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<v Speaker 1>good quarterback away from being the best team in that division.

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<v Speaker 1>And they were getting Alex Smith, and they were getting

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<v Speaker 1>a healthy Alex Smith and he would still be their quarterback.

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<v Speaker 1>I wouldn't be surprised if the Washington football team was

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<v Speaker 1>a player in trying to move up, because if now

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<v Speaker 1>they got burned by Dwayne Haskins, does that mean you

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<v Speaker 1>try to go after another Ohio State quarterback? I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>Do I look at Justin Fields differently than Dwayne Haskins?

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<v Speaker 1>I do? Yeah, McLevin, where would you draft Justin Fields.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not asking to be a scout, but this year

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<v Speaker 1>like sort of hunch on him because you've said a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of good things about him this spring. I really

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<v Speaker 1>like him. I'm trying to figure out what is the

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<v Speaker 1>big negative here, Like what is it that we look

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<v Speaker 1>at and go we we saw too much Justin Fields

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<v Speaker 1>and not enough of Trey Lance. But it feels like

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<v Speaker 1>we value Trey Lance more. And this goes back to

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<v Speaker 1>what happened with Deshaun Watson, Like we saw so much

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<v Speaker 1>of him that we go, okay, although that didn't hurt

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<v Speaker 1>Trevor Lawrence, but Zach Wilson, we didn't see that much.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think that's the great mystery Mac Jones. You saw,

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<v Speaker 1>but you didn't tune into Alabama to watch Mac Jones,

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<v Speaker 1>And I think he was right there in front of us.

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<v Speaker 1>We just didn't notice him. He wasn't featured. And then

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<v Speaker 1>all of a sudden we started to look at the numbers,

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<v Speaker 1>because you know, the best player on the field was

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<v Speaker 1>Davante Smith. He's not making a play where you go,

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<v Speaker 1>oh my god, like how many plays did you watch

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<v Speaker 1>Mac Jones go and you go, ahead, oh my god,

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<v Speaker 1>that's incredible. Like if you have accuracy and efficiency, nobody's going,

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<v Speaker 1>oh my god, honey, you gotta command look at the

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<v Speaker 1>accuracy and efficiency Sports Center Top ten plays. It might

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<v Speaker 1>not be Mac. It might be Mac Jones throwing to

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<v Speaker 1>the actual play is the catch by Avante Smith? Yeah? See.

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<v Speaker 1>Somebody had pointed out though, like sort of defending Mac

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<v Speaker 1>Jones saying that, yes, is he throwing to like super

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<v Speaker 1>stud wide receivers. Absolutely, and how many times did those

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<v Speaker 1>super stud wide receivers have to make an amazing play

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<v Speaker 1>to catch the ball almost never. Yeah, well, they might

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<v Speaker 1>have made themselves open by being incredible talents, therefore made

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<v Speaker 1>it easier for Mac Jones to throw football. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean he still had I mean, if you're speaking accuracy, right,

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<v Speaker 1>isn't that sort of what they're getting at that these did.

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<v Speaker 1>There's none of those like jumping, diving, crazy handed plays.

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<v Speaker 1>They usually hit the ball, get the ball right, and stride. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm looking at a lot of these touchdown receptions. Might

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<v Speaker 1>Avante Smith and I go, yeah, probably make that one. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I could probably make that one. I don't know how

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<v Speaker 1>many of them where you go, Boy, he fought off

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<v Speaker 1>a defender and he threw off balance and he found

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<v Speaker 1>Jalen Waddle. Yeah, but there's also never any that's like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>they really made up for that crappy throw by Mac Jones.

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<v Speaker 1>That's good for them, you know what I mean. No,

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<v Speaker 1>he had great throws. But I'm guessing that for the

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<v Speaker 1>second consecutive year you're gonna have two wide receivers from

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<v Speaker 1>Alabama taken in the top fifteen. Yeah, mclub, And don't

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<v Speaker 1>forget the run game too, dog, Harry, Like you gotta

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<v Speaker 1>put a lot of guy linebackers on him too, So

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<v Speaker 1>he had a lot of advantages. Although they became a

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<v Speaker 1>more dynamic offense than they were a great defense because

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<v Speaker 1>normally Saban gives you a running game and defense. And

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<v Speaker 1>I think when he brought in Lane Kiff and he

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<v Speaker 1>understood the seismic shift in college football, and that is

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<v Speaker 1>I got to open my playbook here, and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>Aj McCarron became more than just a game manager. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>Greg McElroy was probably more of a game manager the

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<v Speaker 1>type of quarterback that Nick Saban loves. Mac Jones put

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<v Speaker 1>it up, Tah put it up. And you got all

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<v Speaker 1>of this talent down there, why wouldn't you just dominate

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<v Speaker 1>teams offensively? And it used to be, oh Saban defense,

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<v Speaker 1>don't let Saban devise. If you give him two weeks,

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<v Speaker 1>he's gonna you know, that's not the case anymore. Yeah, Paul,

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<v Speaker 1>you're right. If you go back to like twenty ten eleven,

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<v Speaker 1>I remember Alabama LSU had a game that was six

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<v Speaker 1>to three, and then that twenty eleven Game of the

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<v Speaker 1>Century the score was nine to six. Yeah, things have

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<v Speaker 1>changed in Alabama and rightfully so, all right eight seven

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<v Speaker 1>seven three d P show email address Dpatdanpatrick dot com.

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<v Speaker 1>I still love this twelve team playoff from last season

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<v Speaker 1>would have been Bama, Coastal Carolina, Notre Dame, Indiana, Clemson, Oklahoma,

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<v Speaker 1>Ohio State, Cincinnati, Texas A and m Georgia, Iowa State

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<v Speaker 1>in Florida. You're looking for good storylines, you're looking for

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<v Speaker 1>good TV. And granted you might get blowouts there. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>do I still think that Alabama and Clemson are cut

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<v Speaker 1>above everybody with the Ohio State in there, Yes, I do.

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<v Speaker 1>But if it's a neutral site and you have that chance,

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<v Speaker 1>like all Coastal Carolinas asking is for a chance, that's it.

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<v Speaker 1>Iowa State, you just want a chance and it may

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<v Speaker 1>only happen once every five years, seven years, ten years,

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<v Speaker 1>but you get that chance. Remember when Hawaii played in

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<v Speaker 1>a bowl game and I think they played in the

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<v Speaker 1>Sugar Bowl and they got blown out, but they got

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<v Speaker 1>a chance, and that's all you want. Anybody who competes

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<v Speaker 1>just wants a chance. Yeah. Point, there's lots of teams

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<v Speaker 1>that go in and get people a game. Army took

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<v Speaker 1>Oklahoma top five to overtime. It was thirty Oklahoma at

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<v Speaker 1>Oklahoma's thirty one thirty one. Remember about five six years ago,

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<v Speaker 1>Navy went into Ohio State. Ohio State was ranked fourth.

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<v Speaker 1>That game was fourteen fourteen and a half. If you

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<v Speaker 1>tell me, Coastal Carolina is fourteen fourty at a half

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<v Speaker 1>of Alabama. Everyone's watching. Yeah, it's unlikely, but it's possible,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. So once again, FBS commissioners are considering expanding

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<v Speaker 1>the college football playoffs from four to double digit teams

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<v Speaker 1>and the senses twelve teams. Building support. You know, these

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<v Speaker 1>Power five conference commissioners, they run the sport. It's not

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<v Speaker 1>the NCAA. Keep that in mind. But also it's more

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<v Speaker 1>money to split and it will help out these athletic

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<v Speaker 1>departments that have been devastated during this past year. We'll

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<v Speaker 1>take a break. The great mel Kiper draft expert will

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<v Speaker 1>And keep in mind we've been talking about the possibility

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<v Speaker 1>of a twelve team playoff FBS commissioners are considering expanding

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<v Speaker 1>college football playoffs from four to double digits. There are

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<v Speaker 1>multiple reports on this. Keep this in mind, they'd have

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<v Speaker 1>to renegotiate the deal. You know, the playoff the contract

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<v Speaker 1>that contract. But I'll have more on this coming up.

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<v Speaker 1>Top of X Hour, mel Kiper, draft expert, The Disney

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<v Speaker 1>Company kicks off its presentation of the draft starting at

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<v Speaker 1>eight eastern on ESPN, ABC, ESPN Deportez, ESPN Radio. Mike

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<v Speaker 1>Greenberg will host primetime telecast in Cleveland. You have Booker McFarlane,

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<v Speaker 1>you have Lewis Riddick, Chris Mortenson, Adam Schefter, Suzie Kolber,

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<v Speaker 1>and that'll be ESPN's forty second NFL Draft telecast. Mel

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<v Speaker 1>Kuiper's been along for the ride for most of those years.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, it is it forty years you've been doing

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<v Speaker 1>this or have you been there since one? Mil dann

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<v Speaker 1>have been doing it for forty three and with the

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<v Speaker 1>ESPN thirty eight thirty eight? What is your mood like?

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<v Speaker 1>How nervous are you? Will you be tomorrow night, not

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<v Speaker 1>at all. I think. You know, you look back over

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<v Speaker 1>the years, Dan, and maybe in the early first couple

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<v Speaker 1>you were just apprehensive because you didn't really know kind

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<v Speaker 1>of what to expect. And then Boomer, you know, Chris

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<v Speaker 1>Berman kept me at either I was a bobbly and

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<v Speaker 1>Chris Berman those first couple of years and that made

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<v Speaker 1>it easier. And then after that, Dan, you just get

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<v Speaker 1>used to You're always nervous when you don't know what

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<v Speaker 1>to expect. And when you come in you're twenty two,

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<v Speaker 1>twenty three years of age, and I haven't had any

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<v Speaker 1>experience on television obviously, you know, going on an NFL

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<v Speaker 1>draft show is something that you wonder, Okay, how do

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<v Speaker 1>I do it? What do I do? I had no idea,

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<v Speaker 1>There was no way of knowing until you actually did it.

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<v Speaker 1>So after a year or two, it's it's obviously the

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<v Speaker 1>preparation and you know, going in and you talk about it,

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<v Speaker 1>dance so much as you know over the course of

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<v Speaker 1>the year. But by the time you get the kind

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<v Speaker 1>of draft that you're ready to get ready to get

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<v Speaker 1>this thing started and find out actually where these guys

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<v Speaker 1>are going to land. When's the last time you were

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<v Speaker 1>truly surprised every year, every year, and that's why mock

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<v Speaker 1>drafts you do them, Dan, but you want to be surprised.

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<v Speaker 1>And nobody wants to know what the presidents are under

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<v Speaker 1>the tree on Christmas morning. Nobody wants to know who's

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<v Speaker 1>being picked. That we know the first two picks in

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<v Speaker 1>this draft, Dan, And you know, nobody's talking about the

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<v Speaker 1>Jets and Jacksonville anymore. Once about a month ago, it's

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<v Speaker 1>everybody stopped talking about those two teams and those two picks.

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<v Speaker 1>Now it was all about the forty nine ers and

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<v Speaker 1>they've kind of kept people guessing a little bit. But

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<v Speaker 1>we thought mac Jones, but that was all about at

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<v Speaker 1>Land at four. So I think when you look at it,

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<v Speaker 1>it's the unpredictability of just about every choice after maybe

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<v Speaker 1>the first one. And I remember back then to Drew

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<v Speaker 1>Bledsoe rick Meyer, you didn't even know the morning of

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<v Speaker 1>the draft for sure the Drew was going number one.

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<v Speaker 1>There's been other drafts like that. So I just think

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<v Speaker 1>that's the anticipation of fans have. And the other crazy

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<v Speaker 1>part for me, Dan, is after the draft, we do

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<v Speaker 1>a great show. Okay, we graved the draft, and yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that'll be on Tuesday. Yeah, and even on Monday, when

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<v Speaker 1>we go through the gauntlet of every show talking about

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<v Speaker 1>the draft, I'll be talking about a player to how

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<v Speaker 1>I mocked him, not where he actually went. Because in

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<v Speaker 1>your mind over the last few months, you're thinking, I

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<v Speaker 1>project this player to this team, and I've been pretty

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<v Speaker 1>consistent with it, but that's not where he actually went.

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<v Speaker 1>So once he goes there, you're going to kind of

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<v Speaker 1>reprogram your mind to say, Okay, he's not a cowboy,

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<v Speaker 1>now he's a Steeler or whatever it may be. Dan.

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<v Speaker 1>So that that's on Monday and Tuesday. It's even more

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<v Speaker 1>of a challenge than anything you do during the course

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<v Speaker 1>of the year. Well, what you did initially was you

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<v Speaker 1>projected where a player should go or what a team

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<v Speaker 1>should do. Now it's different in a mock draft. If

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<v Speaker 1>I said what should the Jets do at number two overall?

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<v Speaker 1>Would that be different than what the Jets are going

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<v Speaker 1>to do at number two? Yeah? Completely different. I would

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<v Speaker 1>have kept Sam Darnald and utilize that pick by trading down.

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<v Speaker 1>You say, if you stuck it too, you take the

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<v Speaker 1>best player on your board, whatever receiver that is, whether

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<v Speaker 1>it's Kyle Pitts, Jamar Chase, Devinata Smith, whoever it was,

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<v Speaker 1>I would have gone four or with Sam Darnold. I

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<v Speaker 1>think Douglas basically admitted then said that Okay, had we

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<v Speaker 1>been picking three, that's exactly what we would have done.

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<v Speaker 1>He fell in love with Zach Wilson, and that's why

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<v Speaker 1>it was a second pick. He decided to take Zach

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<v Speaker 1>and trade Sam. Now, how do you, like, say, have

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<v Speaker 1>been picking thirty, would have kept Sam and then utilize

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<v Speaker 1>that pick to get extra choices, moved down a little bit,

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<v Speaker 1>or use that pick when a receiving entity. So I

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<v Speaker 1>think it just came down to Joe Douglas's love with

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<v Speaker 1>Zach Wilson and that tremendous arm talent and that great

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<v Speaker 1>year he had at BYU to force him away from Sam.

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<v Speaker 1>Also resetting the clock. We've talked about that how important

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<v Speaker 1>that is. But I would have got the twenty three

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<v Speaker 1>year old Sam Darnold to go through what he did.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think you owed it to him, Daniel or anybody.

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<v Speaker 1>Life's not fair. He's nothing about fairness. But I think

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<v Speaker 1>he gets a fresh start, He learned a lot and

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<v Speaker 1>he'll be better for it. With the Carolina Panthers and

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<v Speaker 1>if he's successful there, Carolina should have sank the Jets

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<v Speaker 1>for putting him through that. Peyton Manning and Troy Hitman

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<v Speaker 1>always told me, you'll learn by the mistakes. You learned

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<v Speaker 1>by all the bumpy roads, and that's what Sam Darnold

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<v Speaker 1>went through in New York. And now he's in Carolina

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<v Speaker 1>with a completely fresh start. He's only he's the same

0:23:58.520 --> 0:24:03.120
<v Speaker 1>age Dannis Style Trask's in this draft. What would what

0:24:03.240 --> 0:24:07.440
<v Speaker 1>should the Niners do? I would take Justin Field. And

0:24:07.680 --> 0:24:09.960
<v Speaker 1>that's been my second highest rate of quarterback all along.

0:24:10.000 --> 0:24:12.000
<v Speaker 1>I was always said Josh Allen number one when he

0:24:12.040 --> 0:24:15.280
<v Speaker 1>went but third quarterback overall, had Herbert high. Last year

0:24:15.520 --> 0:24:17.679
<v Speaker 1>he went third overall. You think about the son at

0:24:17.720 --> 0:24:20.320
<v Speaker 1>Jordan Love ahead of Herbert? You know some obviously you

0:24:20.440 --> 0:24:22.840
<v Speaker 1>think that Justin Fields is the fifth quarterback in this draft.

0:24:22.880 --> 0:24:25.320
<v Speaker 1>I respect all those opinions, and I just let's disagree.

0:24:25.440 --> 0:24:27.639
<v Speaker 1>I think he's the second best quarterback. What he did

0:24:27.680 --> 0:24:30.439
<v Speaker 1>in twenty nineteen is kind of being forgotten. It's kind

0:24:30.480 --> 0:24:33.200
<v Speaker 1>of being overlooked. It's all about twenty twenty of COVID.

0:24:33.480 --> 0:24:37.280
<v Speaker 1>What didn't you have Jordan Love above Justin Herbert? No?

0:24:37.400 --> 0:24:39.680
<v Speaker 1>I said some did. I had tried to high grade

0:24:39.680 --> 0:24:43.119
<v Speaker 1>on Herbert. Some had Jordan Love over Herbert, and you

0:24:43.160 --> 0:24:45.280
<v Speaker 1>know that was where you know that happens and things

0:24:45.280 --> 0:24:47.720
<v Speaker 1>to Everybody has different opinions. But yeah, that's why I

0:24:47.760 --> 0:24:50.000
<v Speaker 1>say Herbert was very underrated. It was taken a lot

0:24:50.040 --> 0:24:52.480
<v Speaker 1>of criticism going to the draft. Josh Allen I had

0:24:52.520 --> 0:24:54.680
<v Speaker 1>the number one quarter I had a battle one Josh Allen.

0:24:54.720 --> 0:24:57.040
<v Speaker 1>So I battled on Allen. I battled on Herbert. I said,

0:24:57.040 --> 0:24:59.520
<v Speaker 1>some it moves Jordan Love ahead of him, and I'm

0:24:59.560 --> 0:25:02.360
<v Speaker 1>battling Justine Fields. But it lost that battle. But I've

0:25:02.359 --> 0:25:05.400
<v Speaker 1>said all along, Dan, this quarterback who falls a little

0:25:05.440 --> 0:25:08.760
<v Speaker 1>bit like Josh did, like Justin was a third quarterback Herbert,

0:25:08.920 --> 0:25:12.080
<v Speaker 1>Justin Fields would be the fifth quarter Those quarterbacks Rodgers

0:25:12.160 --> 0:25:14.480
<v Speaker 1>go back in the Roethlisberger go back to Dan Marino

0:25:14.520 --> 0:25:17.480
<v Speaker 1>in eighty three, sixth quarterback in round one. Okay, these

0:25:17.560 --> 0:25:20.800
<v Speaker 1>quarterbacks that have fallen have done pretty well over the

0:25:20.840 --> 0:25:23.080
<v Speaker 1>long hall. That's perfect, but they've done pretty real well.

0:25:23.160 --> 0:25:25.520
<v Speaker 1>So it's maybe it's a chip they get from being

0:25:25.600 --> 0:25:28.000
<v Speaker 1>overlooked and maybe criticized. I don't know what it is,

0:25:28.160 --> 0:25:31.119
<v Speaker 1>but those teams have usually benefited from that drop, but

0:25:31.240 --> 0:25:33.440
<v Speaker 1>they go to a better team. You know, the reason

0:25:33.560 --> 0:25:35.520
<v Speaker 1>why you're up in the top ten or top five

0:25:35.680 --> 0:25:38.080
<v Speaker 1>is because you probably don't have a good quarterback. And

0:25:38.119 --> 0:25:39.600
<v Speaker 1>then if you go to a team and even if

0:25:39.600 --> 0:25:42.040
<v Speaker 1>you sit, like you know, if you ended up with

0:25:42.080 --> 0:25:44.320
<v Speaker 1>the Steelers and you know, you sat for a year

0:25:44.359 --> 0:25:46.480
<v Speaker 1>with Ben Roethlisberger, or you went to one of these

0:25:46.480 --> 0:25:49.080
<v Speaker 1>teams that you know, like the Bears are a playoff team,

0:25:49.200 --> 0:25:52.720
<v Speaker 1>they just don't have a good quarterback. Washington Football team

0:25:52.720 --> 0:25:54.720
<v Speaker 1>playoff team, they don't have a good quarterback. If you

0:25:54.880 --> 0:25:57.240
<v Speaker 1>end up with one of those teams, you know, you

0:25:57.600 --> 0:26:00.880
<v Speaker 1>might have a chance for long term success. Over Zach

0:26:00.920 --> 0:26:05.720
<v Speaker 1>Wilson trying to survive the Jets. It's true, Dan, we

0:26:05.720 --> 0:26:07.520
<v Speaker 1>went back to I went back to two thousand. Between

0:26:07.520 --> 0:26:10.520
<v Speaker 1>two thousand and two thousand and sixteen, forty four quarterbacks

0:26:10.640 --> 0:26:12.240
<v Speaker 1>went in the first round, always three year with the

0:26:12.280 --> 0:26:15.000
<v Speaker 1>teams that drafted him. And that's Ben Roethlisberger's only one

0:26:15.000 --> 0:26:17.480
<v Speaker 1>more year, Aaron Rodgers who could be moving one after

0:26:17.480 --> 0:26:20.359
<v Speaker 1>the next year, who knows, and also Matt Ryan who

0:26:20.560 --> 0:26:22.920
<v Speaker 1>has a couple more years left. And from two thousand

0:26:22.920 --> 0:26:25.080
<v Speaker 1>and nine to two thousand and sixteen. I did that

0:26:25.119 --> 0:26:28.200
<v Speaker 1>because I was Stafford Year against golf Yer. So between

0:26:28.240 --> 0:26:30.720
<v Speaker 1>Stafford Hire in two thousand and nine and golf Year

0:26:30.760 --> 0:26:33.600
<v Speaker 1>in twenty sixteen, n twenty two quarterbacks in the first round,

0:26:33.680 --> 0:26:35.439
<v Speaker 1>none of them are with the teams that draft him.

0:26:35.480 --> 0:26:39.199
<v Speaker 1>And since twenty seventeen we've had Haskins move on, Rosen

0:26:39.359 --> 0:26:43.639
<v Speaker 1>move on, Darnold move on. It's just unbelievable how quarterbacks

0:26:43.640 --> 0:26:46.399
<v Speaker 1>were drafted in the first round since two thousand the

0:26:46.560 --> 0:26:49.400
<v Speaker 1>vast majority are gone from the team that drafted them.

0:26:49.760 --> 0:26:54.000
<v Speaker 1>You spilled, Kuiper Draft expert. Where should Mac Jones go?

0:26:55.520 --> 0:26:57.280
<v Speaker 1>You know, I think to New England would be the

0:26:57.280 --> 0:27:00.960
<v Speaker 1>perfect spot. Yeah, forty nine ers obviously are three Kyle

0:27:01.000 --> 0:27:03.800
<v Speaker 1>Shanahan seeds Roy like him, but I think the ideal

0:27:03.880 --> 0:27:06.040
<v Speaker 1>spot would be San Francillo's face at the end. What's

0:27:06.080 --> 0:27:08.359
<v Speaker 1>better than being in a Kyle Shanahan offense at darn

0:27:08.440 --> 0:27:12.080
<v Speaker 1>or Mike Shanahan offense, and I guarantees the quarterback a

0:27:12.200 --> 0:27:13.960
<v Speaker 1>chance for success. And the only thing that the only

0:27:14.000 --> 0:27:17.480
<v Speaker 1>reason Jimmy Garoppolo isn't the quarterback defined clearly as our

0:27:17.560 --> 0:27:19.760
<v Speaker 1>guy because he hasn't been able to stay healthy. Yeah,

0:27:19.760 --> 0:27:21.360
<v Speaker 1>a couple of years and forth. The forty nine ers

0:27:21.400 --> 0:27:23.280
<v Speaker 1>injured the year in New England when he filled in

0:27:23.320 --> 0:27:25.080
<v Speaker 1>for Brady, was hurt there when he played in two

0:27:25.080 --> 0:27:27.520
<v Speaker 1>of the four games when Tom was suspended. So he

0:27:27.520 --> 0:27:28.879
<v Speaker 1>just hasn't been able to stay on the field. He

0:27:28.960 --> 0:27:31.199
<v Speaker 1>had that meltdown in the late fourth in the midway

0:27:31.240 --> 0:27:33.000
<v Speaker 1>point in the fourth quarter in the Super Bowl. But

0:27:33.040 --> 0:27:36.399
<v Speaker 1>the durability with Garoppolo is the biggest issue. But I

0:27:36.480 --> 0:27:38.800
<v Speaker 1>think if mac Jones goes there and he takes over

0:27:38.880 --> 0:27:42.000
<v Speaker 1>for Garoppolo and year midway through year one or year two,

0:27:42.040 --> 0:27:44.000
<v Speaker 1>whatever it is, he's gonna have success. If he goes

0:27:44.000 --> 0:27:46.640
<v Speaker 1>in New England, obviously it's it's the Tom Brady fit

0:27:46.840 --> 0:27:49.120
<v Speaker 1>as opposed to the Cam Newton fit. So I think

0:27:49.119 --> 0:27:51.200
<v Speaker 1>either one of those spots would be good for mac Jones.

0:27:51.400 --> 0:27:55.560
<v Speaker 1>Did you scout Tom Brady? I did? What do you

0:27:55.600 --> 0:27:58.919
<v Speaker 1>think like them? I had? I had a grade on

0:27:59.000 --> 0:28:01.160
<v Speaker 1>him like late fourth or earliest. I don't hire he went,

0:28:01.359 --> 0:28:02.879
<v Speaker 1>which I can tell you is all in print. Dan.

0:28:02.920 --> 0:28:04.480
<v Speaker 1>We talked about it when he was I took the

0:28:04.480 --> 0:28:06.359
<v Speaker 1>anniversary of that we had they played the whole because

0:28:06.400 --> 0:28:07.760
<v Speaker 1>the sound bit of what I said when he was

0:28:07.880 --> 0:28:10.560
<v Speaker 1>drafted and I had him, had a Spurgeon Win. Member.

0:28:10.600 --> 0:28:13.240
<v Speaker 1>Spurgeon Win went from Southwest Texas State, went ahead of

0:28:13.320 --> 0:28:15.720
<v Speaker 1>Tom Brady to the Cleveland Browns. We're in Cleveland for

0:28:15.720 --> 0:28:18.920
<v Speaker 1>the draft. Dan Cleveland took Spurgeon Wind in that year

0:28:19.119 --> 0:28:22.320
<v Speaker 1>out of Southwest Texas State over Tom Brady. I can

0:28:22.359 --> 0:28:24.480
<v Speaker 1>look back to the idem had a Spurgeon Wind, but

0:28:24.640 --> 0:28:27.840
<v Speaker 1>the Browns obviously didn't and Tom Brady's. Tom Brady's career

0:28:27.880 --> 0:28:29.440
<v Speaker 1>would have been a little different had the Browns taken

0:28:29.520 --> 0:28:33.960
<v Speaker 1>him instead of us. Of the Spurgeon Win, Dan, where'd

0:28:33.960 --> 0:28:37.960
<v Speaker 1>you have Russell Wilson? Probably a little too low? I was.

0:28:38.000 --> 0:28:40.280
<v Speaker 1>I say a little about me. It's gonna be a

0:28:40.320 --> 0:28:41.920
<v Speaker 1>Hall of fame. So everybody had him. He's a third

0:28:42.000 --> 0:28:45.200
<v Speaker 1>round draft choice. I remember saying that year, I don't

0:28:45.280 --> 0:28:48.080
<v Speaker 1>know what Russell Wilson will be. I have no idea.

0:28:48.280 --> 0:28:51.400
<v Speaker 1>He's only five ten and three quarters. We've never had that.

0:28:51.400 --> 0:28:54.120
<v Speaker 1>We had Seneca Willas around that size. You know, you

0:28:54.200 --> 0:28:57.160
<v Speaker 1>had Fluty Going back to France Tarkington, there have been

0:28:57.240 --> 0:29:00.120
<v Speaker 1>some France Tarkington had a great NFL career, but that

0:29:00.240 --> 0:29:02.640
<v Speaker 1>that size, I said he was gonna he was gonna

0:29:02.680 --> 0:29:07.000
<v Speaker 1>be the quarterback who defined the next thank for the

0:29:07.040 --> 0:29:09.200
<v Speaker 1>next set the hundred years of the NFL, and what

0:29:09.240 --> 0:29:11.920
<v Speaker 1>he did he opened up the opportunity for Kyler Murray

0:29:12.200 --> 0:29:15.080
<v Speaker 1>to be the number one pick. Overall, his success or

0:29:15.240 --> 0:29:19.000
<v Speaker 1>lack of was gonna define how other quarterbacks under six

0:29:19.040 --> 0:29:21.040
<v Speaker 1>feet were going to be viewed. Dan and the fact

0:29:21.040 --> 0:29:22.600
<v Speaker 1>that he did right now to what I said, I

0:29:22.640 --> 0:29:24.120
<v Speaker 1>just said, I don't know. So if I don't know,

0:29:24.160 --> 0:29:26.280
<v Speaker 1>I wouldn't have drafted him high obviously, and he was

0:29:26.320 --> 0:29:28.840
<v Speaker 1>in the third round. So again, the NFL was kind

0:29:28.840 --> 0:29:30.840
<v Speaker 1>of having that wait and see approach with Russell Wilson

0:29:30.840 --> 0:29:32.880
<v Speaker 1>as well, Hey, go prove it. If you prove it,

0:29:33.000 --> 0:29:35.280
<v Speaker 1>then we'll look at five, ten, five eleven quarterbacks a

0:29:35.320 --> 0:29:38.400
<v Speaker 1>lot differently moving forward. I remember watching the Big Ten

0:29:38.480 --> 0:29:41.680
<v Speaker 1>title game. We were in Indianapolis, and Kirk Cousins and

0:29:41.840 --> 0:29:44.480
<v Speaker 1>Russell Wilson were going back and forth in a shootout,

0:29:44.920 --> 0:29:47.480
<v Speaker 1>and then you know, Kirk gets strafted I think fourth round.

0:29:47.520 --> 0:29:50.760
<v Speaker 1>Rusk gets drafted third round. But a source of mind

0:29:50.800 --> 0:29:53.959
<v Speaker 1>said at the time NFL scout he said, if Russell

0:29:54.000 --> 0:29:57.680
<v Speaker 1>Wilson was six two, he would be a first round

0:29:57.720 --> 0:30:02.120
<v Speaker 1>draft pick like The difference in the mindset even back then,

0:30:02.280 --> 0:30:05.800
<v Speaker 1>was Hey, if he's five eleven, I don't know. But

0:30:05.840 --> 0:30:08.760
<v Speaker 1>if he's six two, he's a first round draft pick.

0:30:09.400 --> 0:30:12.320
<v Speaker 1>You believe that? Yeah, yeah, because it never happened before

0:30:12.400 --> 0:30:15.360
<v Speaker 1>Dan to that level. And I think until somebody doesn't

0:30:15.360 --> 0:30:17.920
<v Speaker 1>like I said he was a trailblazer, he did something

0:30:17.960 --> 0:30:19.600
<v Speaker 1>that and I said, this one the draft to see,

0:30:19.600 --> 0:30:22.000
<v Speaker 1>and John Gruden loved him. I give John Kretch John welcome,

0:30:22.480 --> 0:30:24.920
<v Speaker 1>and you know, he was screaming me it doesn't matter

0:30:25.480 --> 0:30:27.800
<v Speaker 1>while I said it matters, because, let's face it, I

0:30:27.840 --> 0:30:29.360
<v Speaker 1>was kind of right and wrong. I was right in

0:30:29.400 --> 0:30:31.120
<v Speaker 1>the fact he wasn't going to be a first round

0:30:31.200 --> 0:30:33.600
<v Speaker 1>draft He was a third round draft pick. So if

0:30:33.600 --> 0:30:35.920
<v Speaker 1>we're talking about where he was rated, I had it right.

0:30:36.360 --> 0:30:37.800
<v Speaker 1>Doubt did I have it right when he would ends

0:30:37.840 --> 0:30:39.080
<v Speaker 1>up being a Hall of Same right, you know, But

0:30:39.120 --> 0:30:40.800
<v Speaker 1>the rest of the league got it all wrong too.

0:30:40.880 --> 0:30:43.560
<v Speaker 1>Thirty two teams in this league. Hey, Dan Seattle waited

0:30:43.600 --> 0:30:45.480
<v Speaker 1>until a third round. They could have very easily lost

0:30:45.560 --> 0:30:47.640
<v Speaker 1>him too. So I give him credit for like Brady

0:30:47.640 --> 0:30:49.280
<v Speaker 1>Brady goes newing On at the end of the sixth round,

0:30:49.320 --> 0:30:51.520
<v Speaker 1>they took a kid from a quarterback from Virginia in

0:30:51.560 --> 0:30:53.720
<v Speaker 1>the sixth round ahead of Tom Brady the Patriots did.

0:30:53.720 --> 0:30:55.920
<v Speaker 1>But give them credit because they were one of thirty

0:30:55.960 --> 0:30:58.200
<v Speaker 1>two that took him. Give Seattle credit because they were

0:30:58.200 --> 0:31:01.000
<v Speaker 1>one of thirty two that took Russell. Well, but thirty

0:31:01.040 --> 0:31:02.880
<v Speaker 1>one teams got it wrong, they got it right, and

0:31:02.880 --> 0:31:05.000
<v Speaker 1>they still went in the third round. So again, I

0:31:05.040 --> 0:31:07.920
<v Speaker 1>think he proved that it doesn't matter. And that's why

0:31:08.000 --> 0:31:10.600
<v Speaker 1>I said, then, that's why Kyler Murray was the number

0:31:10.600 --> 0:31:13.800
<v Speaker 1>one pick overall coming out of Oklahoma. But when he

0:31:13.840 --> 0:31:15.680
<v Speaker 1>had some struggles with Texas A and M and and

0:31:15.800 --> 0:31:17.760
<v Speaker 1>when people were wondering he's gonna play baseball when he

0:31:17.920 --> 0:31:20.280
<v Speaker 1>think even with that, he went number one overall. And

0:31:20.280 --> 0:31:25.760
<v Speaker 1>that was all because of Russell Wilson. Don't get defensive now,

0:31:26.040 --> 0:31:27.880
<v Speaker 1>you know, I just want to you know, I'm just

0:31:27.960 --> 0:31:29.760
<v Speaker 1>asking these questions, Sarah. I don't want you to be

0:31:29.840 --> 0:31:35.480
<v Speaker 1>yelling at me, right, don't make me mad. Right? Then Yeah,

0:31:35.600 --> 0:31:38.520
<v Speaker 1>let's take Trevor Lawrence out of this. The one player

0:31:38.960 --> 0:31:44.680
<v Speaker 1>that you say can't miss. I would say the receivers

0:31:44.760 --> 0:31:47.680
<v Speaker 1>as a group goes top four. I think, I think,

0:31:47.680 --> 0:31:50.120
<v Speaker 1>and I think when you Pito that pitch you go

0:31:50.200 --> 0:31:54.320
<v Speaker 1>to Davante, Jamar Chase, and Jalen Waddle. I think all

0:31:54.400 --> 0:31:57.520
<v Speaker 1>four of those or that's your to me, that's your second, third, fourth,

0:31:57.600 --> 0:32:00.760
<v Speaker 1>fifth highest rated players in this draft behind However, I

0:32:00.800 --> 0:32:03.640
<v Speaker 1>think they're there, and I know receivers have some sales.

0:32:03.680 --> 0:32:07.280
<v Speaker 1>You know, those are special guys. Those are the ultimate

0:32:07.320 --> 0:32:09.600
<v Speaker 1>competitors that have the ability to help out on special

0:32:09.640 --> 0:32:12.080
<v Speaker 1>teams like Waddle pits as a unique talent. Would I

0:32:12.120 --> 0:32:14.440
<v Speaker 1>would bet on all four of those guys having great

0:32:14.520 --> 0:32:18.120
<v Speaker 1>NFL careers. If one doesn't, that'll be it Dan And

0:32:18.120 --> 0:32:20.000
<v Speaker 1>they might be good, not great, but I would I

0:32:20.000 --> 0:32:22.040
<v Speaker 1>would say you're pretty safe taking any one of those

0:32:22.040 --> 0:32:24.040
<v Speaker 1>four players that goes back to the Jets. They could

0:32:24.080 --> 0:32:26.160
<v Speaker 1>have kept Sam Darnald and had one of those four

0:32:26.160 --> 0:32:28.800
<v Speaker 1>even with a trade down and picking up extra choices.

0:32:28.840 --> 0:32:32.360
<v Speaker 1>So Zach Wilson's gonna be defined by his greatness or

0:32:32.400 --> 0:32:35.080
<v Speaker 1>a lack of and also be defined by how Sam

0:32:35.160 --> 0:32:37.160
<v Speaker 1>Darnold does. So I think we're gonna be looking back

0:32:37.240 --> 0:32:39.440
<v Speaker 1>on that whole move, but it's gonna gonna define Joe

0:32:39.480 --> 0:32:42.560
<v Speaker 1>Douglas's career with the Jets if he hits with Zach Wilson.

0:32:43.040 --> 0:32:44.880
<v Speaker 1>Then Joe Douglas is gonna have a winning work because

0:32:44.920 --> 0:32:47.200
<v Speaker 1>he's gonna draft well. They got good scouts. The Jets

0:32:47.280 --> 0:32:49.760
<v Speaker 1>drafted well last year. They're gonna get players around, Zach

0:32:49.840 --> 0:32:52.520
<v Speaker 1>Wilson said, And they already have much better talent based

0:32:52.560 --> 0:32:54.280
<v Speaker 1>that going into this year, and they will they had

0:32:54.360 --> 0:32:56.320
<v Speaker 1>last year for Sam, So he's gonna have a chance.

0:32:56.360 --> 0:32:58.080
<v Speaker 1>He's like saying he's gonna have a fighting chance. They

0:32:58.080 --> 0:33:00.520
<v Speaker 1>have had no chance. Zach Wilson's gonna have a fighting

0:33:00.600 --> 0:33:02.800
<v Speaker 1>chance that he's up to the task. Yeah. See, I'm

0:33:02.840 --> 0:33:06.400
<v Speaker 1>just skeptical on Zach Wilson, and I'm skeptical on Trey Lance.

0:33:06.680 --> 0:33:10.640
<v Speaker 1>I know they have talent. I just don't know, you know,

0:33:10.880 --> 0:33:13.160
<v Speaker 1>what's it like with adversity. What's it like when you

0:33:13.200 --> 0:33:15.440
<v Speaker 1>throw an interception? What's it like when you're facing an

0:33:15.440 --> 0:33:18.960
<v Speaker 1>opponent who is a lot better than you. I don't

0:33:19.000 --> 0:33:22.840
<v Speaker 1>know that, And I that's why I just pause that

0:33:22.920 --> 0:33:25.760
<v Speaker 1>the Jets are sold on Zach Wilson. And look, he

0:33:25.840 --> 0:33:28.040
<v Speaker 1>looks like a guy who would be playing a guy

0:33:28.480 --> 0:33:32.200
<v Speaker 1>who gets drafted number two. Overall, I understand that. I

0:33:32.360 --> 0:33:34.280
<v Speaker 1>just you know, we grew up in a time where

0:33:34.400 --> 0:33:37.960
<v Speaker 1>we had so much more information on somebody, like we

0:33:38.000 --> 0:33:40.600
<v Speaker 1>have too much information on Justin Fields. As a source

0:33:40.640 --> 0:33:43.440
<v Speaker 1>said to me, people are overthinking Justin Fields. I don't

0:33:43.480 --> 0:33:47.600
<v Speaker 1>get it. That's my that's my thought process. But I mean,

0:33:47.680 --> 0:33:51.560
<v Speaker 1>it's hard to assess if I've got seven starts or

0:33:51.840 --> 0:33:54.920
<v Speaker 1>you know, eleven starts here, it's just kind of crazy.

0:33:55.000 --> 0:33:57.200
<v Speaker 1>Or I have to be I have to factor in

0:33:57.200 --> 0:34:00.480
<v Speaker 1>your previous year like Jordan Love and then go, okay,

0:34:00.480 --> 0:34:03.800
<v Speaker 1>who are you here? We don't factor in Justin Fields

0:34:03.800 --> 0:34:06.000
<v Speaker 1>great year the year before, but what he did this

0:34:06.120 --> 0:34:07.680
<v Speaker 1>past year, It's like, well, I don't know, I got

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<v Speaker 1>questions here. I mean, that's why it's an inexact science.

0:34:12.400 --> 0:34:14.319
<v Speaker 1>You just said it. I was just gonna say, Dan,

0:34:14.520 --> 0:34:16.200
<v Speaker 1>you just took words out of my mouth, but I said,

0:34:16.239 --> 0:34:20.360
<v Speaker 1>that's why it's unpredictable. That's why you never know. Fifty

0:34:20.360 --> 0:34:22.759
<v Speaker 1>percent of these first rounders won't live up to their potential.

0:34:23.320 --> 0:34:25.320
<v Speaker 1>Just the way it is. It's trying to find figure

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<v Speaker 1>out who is has the biggest bus factor and make

0:34:28.080 --> 0:34:30.120
<v Speaker 1>those decisions. You go back to pil Sims came out

0:34:30.120 --> 0:34:33.440
<v Speaker 1>of Warhead State. Steve McNair out of Alcorn State. Williams

0:34:33.440 --> 0:34:35.640
<v Speaker 1>at at Grantley. We've had them. Joe Blacko was at

0:34:35.640 --> 0:34:38.080
<v Speaker 1>TIT then he finished up at Delaware, but he has these.

0:34:38.280 --> 0:34:41.160
<v Speaker 1>You're right. You think about Trey Lance and certainly you

0:34:41.200 --> 0:34:43.720
<v Speaker 1>know Zach Wilson. They haven't been on the big stage.

0:34:43.719 --> 0:34:47.200
<v Speaker 1>They haven't faced any elite opponents. And that's now you're

0:34:47.200 --> 0:34:49.239
<v Speaker 1>going too the big Apple if you're Zach and you're

0:34:49.280 --> 0:34:51.560
<v Speaker 1>gonna be going somewhere, if you're training now. I think

0:34:51.600 --> 0:34:53.560
<v Speaker 1>Trey if he goes to the right team that can

0:34:53.680 --> 0:34:55.759
<v Speaker 1>let him sit, watch and learn for a year or two.

0:34:55.840 --> 0:34:58.200
<v Speaker 1>He's only twenty years of age. Dan only had seventeen

0:34:58.320 --> 0:35:00.719
<v Speaker 1>start I mean, completed less than s seven percent of

0:35:00.719 --> 0:35:03.120
<v Speaker 1>his passes and six games against one double A opponents.

0:35:03.360 --> 0:35:05.759
<v Speaker 1>So he needs time. His accuracy needs to improve. He

0:35:05.840 --> 0:35:07.879
<v Speaker 1>needs time. I think when you look at a guy

0:35:07.960 --> 0:35:11.280
<v Speaker 1>like Zach Wilson, I think the armed talent, the undeniable

0:35:11.280 --> 0:35:14.520
<v Speaker 1>ability he had to move around, athletic kid, basketball player

0:35:14.520 --> 0:35:18.560
<v Speaker 1>in high school, just one over Joe Douglas. Because Zach

0:35:18.560 --> 0:35:21.640
<v Speaker 1>Wilson wasn't great in twenty eighteen or twenty nineteen. He

0:35:21.760 --> 0:35:25.200
<v Speaker 1>wasn't Dan. He was a struggled with turnovers, he didn't

0:35:25.200 --> 0:35:27.400
<v Speaker 1>have the accuracy does now. He wasn't the quarterback he

0:35:27.560 --> 0:35:30.600
<v Speaker 1>was this year, But this year he definitely wowed everybody

0:35:30.640 --> 0:35:35.680
<v Speaker 1>over against as I say, a cupcake schedule. How much

0:35:35.719 --> 0:35:39.480
<v Speaker 1>time will you spend on your hair tomorrow night? Very little, Dan,

0:35:39.680 --> 0:35:41.640
<v Speaker 1>It's not like it's not Hey, put a Dan, put

0:35:41.640 --> 0:35:43.120
<v Speaker 1>it this way. It's not what it used to be.

0:35:45.920 --> 0:35:48.520
<v Speaker 1>We're all we're all in that same boat. We're all

0:35:48.520 --> 0:35:51.959
<v Speaker 1>in that same boat. You Dad, You're you're rolling along. Hey,

0:35:52.080 --> 0:35:54.719
<v Speaker 1>it's great to talk to you. Congrats again for all

0:35:54.760 --> 0:35:57.360
<v Speaker 1>your success. Mel. You started all of this. Well, we

0:35:57.400 --> 0:35:59.640
<v Speaker 1>can blame you and we can credit. It's like Oberman

0:35:59.800 --> 0:36:02.120
<v Speaker 1>and myself on Sports Center, you can give us credit.

0:36:02.160 --> 0:36:03.879
<v Speaker 1>You can blame us as well for what we did

0:36:03.880 --> 0:36:05.960
<v Speaker 1>on Sports Center. I think we can do that to

0:36:06.000 --> 0:36:08.560
<v Speaker 1>you with all the mock drafts that are out there. Hey,

0:36:08.640 --> 0:36:10.399
<v Speaker 1>it will always be the big show, Dan. I remember

0:36:10.400 --> 0:36:12.560
<v Speaker 1>the book with Chieth Colby to do a little little

0:36:12.600 --> 0:36:16.440
<v Speaker 1>little expert. I told Keith what you guys met to

0:36:16.560 --> 0:36:19.480
<v Speaker 1>the sports and ESPN. It was remarkable what you meant

0:36:19.520 --> 0:36:21.839
<v Speaker 1>and how how many fans I think you and Keith

0:36:21.880 --> 0:36:25.080
<v Speaker 1>created all those years. Mel. Great to talk to you, buddy,

0:36:25.120 --> 0:36:27.719
<v Speaker 1>have fun Tomorrow night. You're the best day. I take

0:36:27.719 --> 0:36:31.320
<v Speaker 1>everyone that's mel kiper Draft expert. Their coverage starts tomorrow

0:36:31.400 --> 0:36:34.400
<v Speaker 1>night and AID Eastern Greeney will be the host. You

0:36:34.480 --> 0:36:37.920
<v Speaker 1>got Mel, you got Lewis Riddick, Biogram McFarlane, Chris Mortenson,

0:36:38.000 --> 0:36:41.200
<v Speaker 1>Adam Schefter, Susie Kolber in there as well. How about

0:36:41.200 --> 0:36:44.839
<v Speaker 1>the big Zapple Zapple, you know for Zach Zack Wilson Todd,

0:36:44.920 --> 0:36:47.600
<v Speaker 1>the Big Zapple. We can make that work. Okay, bib

0:36:47.800 --> 0:36:50.360
<v Speaker 1>Zacle Zapple. It's a little tricker with that third layer.

0:36:51.239 --> 0:36:53.480
<v Speaker 1>Now you're not. I appreciate the effort. Okay, thank you,

0:36:53.560 --> 0:36:56.280
<v Speaker 1>all right, I know you could do better than I'm challenging.

0:36:56.400 --> 0:36:59.080
<v Speaker 1>When we come back, I take issue with one of

0:36:59.120 --> 0:37:02.400
<v Speaker 1>my idols back after this. Thanks for listening to The

0:37:02.480 --> 0:37:05.200
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0:37:20.920 --> 0:37:22.879
<v Speaker 1>Do you like the NFL? Do you like the NFL

0:37:22.960 --> 0:37:26.719
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0:37:26.760 --> 0:37:28.960
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0:37:29.000 --> 0:37:31.839
<v Speaker 1>a scout. Now I give you my unfiltered and raw

0:37:31.960 --> 0:37:34.840
<v Speaker 1>opinions on everything that goes on the NFL. And you

0:37:34.880 --> 0:37:37.279
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0:37:37.360 --> 0:37:40.000
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0:37:40.040 --> 0:37:43.640
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0:37:47.040 --> 0:37:51.560
<v Speaker 1>twelve team playoffs possibility coming up top of the hour.

0:37:52.280 --> 0:37:55.399
<v Speaker 1>Let's again if you're just joining us. This was sent

0:37:55.440 --> 0:37:59.920
<v Speaker 1>out by a couple of insiders, Andy Staples Stuart Mendel,

0:38:00.280 --> 0:38:03.959
<v Speaker 1>FBS commissioners considering expanding the college football playoff from four

0:38:03.960 --> 0:38:07.080
<v Speaker 1>schools up to double digit teams, with the sense that

0:38:07.200 --> 0:38:11.000
<v Speaker 1>twelve teams is building support. We'll dive into this coming

0:38:11.080 --> 0:38:14.440
<v Speaker 1>up at the top of the hour. We've done this

0:38:14.520 --> 0:38:16.839
<v Speaker 1>before where we have somebody on and we say your

0:38:16.880 --> 0:38:19.799
<v Speaker 1>mount rushmore, give me your top five, give me your

0:38:19.840 --> 0:38:25.080
<v Speaker 1>starting lineup. Well. Chris Haynes was hosted a podcast with

0:38:25.320 --> 0:38:28.799
<v Speaker 1>Julia Serving Basketball Hall of Fame and he named his

0:38:29.760 --> 0:38:35.440
<v Speaker 1>first team and second team all time players. My first

0:38:35.440 --> 0:38:39.080
<v Speaker 1>team is like Oscar Robinson and Jerry West, and I

0:38:39.200 --> 0:38:42.920
<v Speaker 1>got Will Chamber and Bill Russell and Al Jambelma. You

0:38:42.960 --> 0:38:49.560
<v Speaker 1>know that the second team, the Magic, Michael, Larry, calm Alone,

0:38:50.160 --> 0:38:57.040
<v Speaker 1>Kareem Abdujibar, you know those guys. I don't know how

0:38:57.080 --> 0:38:58.880
<v Speaker 1>much time he had to think about this with the

0:38:58.960 --> 0:39:02.560
<v Speaker 1>question from Chris, but he sort of going in a

0:39:02.640 --> 0:39:07.600
<v Speaker 1>generational direction there where you're picking Wilt and Bill Russell,

0:39:07.719 --> 0:39:10.719
<v Speaker 1>Elgin Baylor, Jerry West, Oscar Robertson, and I understand that

0:39:10.840 --> 0:39:12.919
<v Speaker 1>from that era, those are the players that you would

0:39:12.920 --> 0:39:15.840
<v Speaker 1>be taken. And I'm glad he acknowledged Elgin Baylor. And

0:39:15.920 --> 0:39:20.880
<v Speaker 1>then he went to the newer generation with the eighties

0:39:20.920 --> 0:39:24.120
<v Speaker 1>with Michael and Magic and Larry, a little bit of

0:39:24.120 --> 0:39:27.320
<v Speaker 1>the nineties. You put Karl Malone in there as well. Well,

0:39:27.760 --> 0:39:32.680
<v Speaker 1>Lebron James didn't make the conversation. And here is doctor

0:39:32.760 --> 0:39:35.680
<v Speaker 1>Jay explaining why Lebron is not one of his top

0:39:35.680 --> 0:39:39.719
<v Speaker 1>ten players. Where you look at Lebron and big guy

0:39:39.800 --> 0:39:45.240
<v Speaker 1>who has led the charge in terms of super teams

0:39:45.600 --> 0:39:48.200
<v Speaker 1>being put together. You know when he put together a

0:39:48.200 --> 0:39:52.360
<v Speaker 1>team in Miami, if we put together team together in

0:39:52.400 --> 0:39:55.399
<v Speaker 1>Cleveland as well, and put together a team in Los

0:39:55.440 --> 0:39:57.879
<v Speaker 1>Angeles so he could pick his own team. I angle

0:39:57.920 --> 0:40:05.319
<v Speaker 1>pick pick his team. I've had about Yeah, Lebron would argue,

0:40:05.960 --> 0:40:09.520
<v Speaker 1>these these super teams always existed. If you look at

0:40:09.520 --> 0:40:12.640
<v Speaker 1>all the championship teams, they've always had two, three, or

0:40:12.680 --> 0:40:17.879
<v Speaker 1>even sometimes four All Stars. They has Mark picking Allen teams. Yeah,

0:40:17.920 --> 0:40:21.920
<v Speaker 1>you've had super teams. But you know, James Worthy on

0:40:21.960 --> 0:40:24.160
<v Speaker 1>the Lakers is not because James Worthy said, hey, I

0:40:24.160 --> 0:40:27.480
<v Speaker 1>want to join the Lakers. Robert Parrish or Kevin McHale

0:40:27.560 --> 0:40:30.520
<v Speaker 1>joining the Celtics wasn't hey, we want to join the Celtics.

0:40:30.520 --> 0:40:33.239
<v Speaker 1>They got traded there. But let me go back in

0:40:33.360 --> 0:40:37.560
<v Speaker 1>time to Doctor j and he's one of my favorite players,

0:40:37.560 --> 0:40:41.799
<v Speaker 1>one of my favorite people. But he forgot or he

0:40:41.960 --> 0:40:46.720
<v Speaker 1>left out that they acquired Moses Malone and Doc couldn't

0:40:46.719 --> 0:40:48.880
<v Speaker 1>win a title in the NBA. He had lost, uh

0:40:49.080 --> 0:40:51.319
<v Speaker 1>you know in the two previous years. I think when

0:40:51.320 --> 0:40:54.359
<v Speaker 1>he got into the NBA from the ABA, and all

0:40:54.440 --> 0:40:57.720
<v Speaker 1>of a sudden, they get Moses Malone and they produce

0:40:58.239 --> 0:41:01.719
<v Speaker 1>arguably the greatest postseason team of all time. That was

0:41:01.760 --> 0:41:05.360
<v Speaker 1>the famous Moses Malone quote. Fo Fo Fox, We're gonna

0:41:05.440 --> 0:41:07.960
<v Speaker 1>win four, and then we'll win four, and then we'll

0:41:07.960 --> 0:41:11.760
<v Speaker 1>win four. We're gonna sweep everybody. And Doc needed Moses

0:41:11.800 --> 0:41:19.239
<v Speaker 1>Malone to win championship. Now, Moses was I think a

0:41:19.280 --> 0:41:24.360
<v Speaker 1>free agent who went to Philadelphia. He joined up with

0:41:24.400 --> 0:41:27.759
<v Speaker 1>a really good seventy sixers team and they became a

0:41:27.880 --> 0:41:32.000
<v Speaker 1>super team. That's one of the first instances I think

0:41:32.080 --> 0:41:35.840
<v Speaker 1>that I can remember of a super team. Moses joined

0:41:35.840 --> 0:41:39.279
<v Speaker 1>them and made them a super team. Now you want

0:41:39.280 --> 0:41:43.279
<v Speaker 1>to say that about Lebron joining Miami, Absolutely, but what

0:41:43.440 --> 0:41:48.680
<v Speaker 1>he did in Cleveland is unprecedented, the number of times

0:41:48.680 --> 0:41:52.880
<v Speaker 1>going to the finals, and he didn't have anybody with him,

0:41:52.920 --> 0:41:56.759
<v Speaker 1>and then he leaves, they have a terrible record, they

0:41:56.800 --> 0:42:01.040
<v Speaker 1>get Kyrie, Lebron goes back, they bring in Kevin Love

0:42:01.760 --> 0:42:04.799
<v Speaker 1>and you have your super team. Then he goes to

0:42:05.080 --> 0:42:09.920
<v Speaker 1>la and yes, has he done that, Absolutely, But I

0:42:10.000 --> 0:42:12.880
<v Speaker 1>can't I can't just dismiss what he did on his

0:42:12.920 --> 0:42:17.240
<v Speaker 1>own in Cleveland. I think he took maybe the worst

0:42:17.280 --> 0:42:22.200
<v Speaker 1>roster ever to the NBA Finals. I gotta give him

0:42:22.239 --> 0:42:27.480
<v Speaker 1>credit for that. That's hercule herculean what he did. But

0:42:27.560 --> 0:42:31.520
<v Speaker 1>Doc was going by eras, but he did say he

0:42:31.640 --> 0:42:33.800
<v Speaker 1>singled out Lebron that he's the one who ushered in

0:42:33.880 --> 0:42:36.279
<v Speaker 1>the super teams. Therefore he had a problem with that.

0:42:37.640 --> 0:42:41.320
<v Speaker 1>Doc was the beneficiary of maybe the first super team

0:42:41.400 --> 0:42:50.399
<v Speaker 1>where somebody joined you via free agent. But yeah, Doc

0:42:50.440 --> 0:42:55.160
<v Speaker 1>can have his opinion. Everybody has their opinion on this topic. Cassie, Well,

0:42:55.160 --> 0:42:56.800
<v Speaker 1>before it feels like he used to just be oh, no,

0:42:56.880 --> 0:42:59.239
<v Speaker 1>we traded for this guy, or like, oh no, this person,

0:42:59.280 --> 0:43:01.319
<v Speaker 1>we just traded for them. So it's okay, and now

0:43:01.400 --> 0:43:03.560
<v Speaker 1>it's well, now now we're all coming together to form

0:43:03.560 --> 0:43:06.880
<v Speaker 1>a super team. It's like a funny way of changing

0:43:06.920 --> 0:43:09.800
<v Speaker 1>the description of what happens today. Yeah, but Moses was

0:43:09.880 --> 0:43:12.880
<v Speaker 1>not traded to the seventy sixers. I don't believe mcloven

0:43:13.000 --> 0:43:17.360
<v Speaker 1>Wasn't it he a free agent, just prostricted free agent. Yes, right, yeah,

0:43:17.400 --> 0:43:20.239
<v Speaker 1>so he joined the seventy sixers. Just seems like the

0:43:20.280 --> 0:43:23.239
<v Speaker 1>way it was spoken about then was differently than now. Yeah,

0:43:23.239 --> 0:43:26.840
<v Speaker 1>we didn't talk about you know that whenever Red Arback

0:43:26.880 --> 0:43:28.360
<v Speaker 1>would make a trade and all of a sudden it

0:43:28.360 --> 0:43:33.320
<v Speaker 1>would benefit the Celtics, he'd fleece somebody. We'll talk college

0:43:33.320 --> 0:43:36.120
<v Speaker 1>football playoff expanding to twelve teams coming up,