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Speaker 1: twenty minutes. It's the calm before the storm, the day
Speaker 1: before the day, and we do have a little bit
Speaker 1: of news, or at least the potential for some news
Speaker 1: some of the college football analyst insiders. We've got some
Speaker 1: tweets that the FBS commissioners are considering expanding the college
Speaker 1: football playoff from four schools up to double digit teams.
Speaker 1: I sense twelve teams is building support, one source told
Speaker 1: Stuart Mandel. Andy Staples also involved in this as well.
Speaker 1: We'll talk to Andy coming up next hour. If you
Speaker 1: look at a twelve team playoff. Now, if you do
Speaker 1: the math, forty percent of the teams in the NFL
Speaker 1: make the playoffs. In college football, nine percent would make
Speaker 1: it if you bumped it up to twelve teams. So
Speaker 1: still it's the hardest playoff to get into in all
Speaker 1: of the sports. But if you looked at the twelve
Speaker 1: team playoff based off of last year, Alabama would be
Speaker 1: playing Coastal Carolina first round. Who would have thought in
Speaker 1: any lifetime we would say, oh yeah, in the playoffs,
Speaker 1: Coastal Carolina is going to face Alabama. I know they
Speaker 1: would probably get blown out, but you still want to
Speaker 1: get the chance. College football doesn't give you the chance.
Speaker 1: There's no March Madness, there's no Butler, there's no George Mason,
Speaker 1: there's no underdog storing. But Coastal Carolina against Alabama. Indiana
Speaker 1: would play Notre Dame. How good is that? So that's
Speaker 1: round one Indiana Notre Dame. Imagine how big that would
Speaker 1: be in the state because Indiana it's a basque bowl school.
Speaker 1: Now you get to go up against Notre Dame. I
Speaker 1: know you're you're gonna say, well, they have no chance,
Speaker 1: or maybe you do, pulling upset and then you get
Speaker 1: blown out. After that, I understand all of that. All
Speaker 1: you need is one day, one lucky day, and if
Speaker 1: you're playing each other on a neutral site in a
Speaker 1: bowl game. That way I can factor in the bowl games.
Speaker 1: Now I can have more bowl games be more meaningful because,
Speaker 1: let's face it, the bull games there's pomp and circumstance
Speaker 1: and pageantry and a nice gift bag, but nobody cares
Speaker 1: nobody remembers. Then it might be bragging rights for a
Speaker 1: fan base. But imagine if you took the Outback Bowl
Speaker 1: and it became a first round destination for one of
Speaker 1: the playoff games, and then you graduated to the Cotton
Speaker 1: Bowl and then after that you went to the Fiesta Bowl.
Speaker 1: Then you make all of the bowl games relevant important
Speaker 1: and tune in factor. Who would be some of the
Speaker 1: other matchups in the first rumble, Like you said, they're
Speaker 1: good first round. If it was a twelve team playoff,
Speaker 1: Bama Coastal Carolina, Notre Dame, Indiana, Clemson, Oklahoma would be
Speaker 1: a first round matchup. Those are heavyweights. Then you'd have
Speaker 1: Ohio State Cincinnati, another in state game that would be
Speaker 1: juicy in your state. Why you see Texas A and
Speaker 1: M versus Georgia, that's awesome and an Iowa State Seaton's
Speaker 1: team versus Florida. Yeah. So all it does is it
Speaker 1: brings more teams in, more conferences in, more money in
Speaker 1: and you're able to kind of replenches a lot of
Speaker 1: these athletic departments. This is inevitable. Like for how many years,
Speaker 1: at least a decade I fought with Bill Hancock of
Speaker 1: you know college football and the you know the BCS.
Speaker 1: He was the head of the BCS, and I would say, look, Bill,
Speaker 1: it's expanding. Nobody wants it. None of the coaches want it.
Speaker 1: And we'd have coaches on Steve Spurrier, I'd say, coach,
Speaker 1: do you want this? They were open to it. Pete
Speaker 1: Carroll was what USC, and I remember saying, it's happening.
Speaker 1: Whether you want it or not. We're going to expand
Speaker 1: we went from two to four, and I was on
Speaker 1: record as saying I'd be satisfied with four. But given
Speaker 1: what's happened now in college athletics, the importance of the
Speaker 1: money to keep other programs alive within an athletic department
Speaker 1: is paramount. And I do think it's a win win
Speaker 1: for everybody involved here because you're going to have bowl
Speaker 1: games benefit Now you're going to say, well, what about
Speaker 1: the players? And that's always going to be there. And
Speaker 1: with Mark Emritt's staying as the head of the NCAA,
Speaker 1: you're not changing that. Now you own your likeness and
Speaker 1: you may be able to capitalize and there may be
Speaker 1: a cap on how much money you can make, but
Speaker 1: Mark Emritt staying in there is the head of the NCAA.
Speaker 1: We're not paying players anytime soon. Yes, McLevin. I if
Speaker 1: you go to twelve teams with the Supreme Court ready
Speaker 1: to rule on this, there's no way you could not
Speaker 1: be able to pay players like this would be awful optics.
Speaker 1: They're gonna have to pay the players if they do this.
Speaker 1: I mean, what is it they say it's coming out
Speaker 1: in July. They're going to say that it's antitrust. You
Speaker 1: cannot limit benefits players. I know they already gave him name, image, likeness,
Speaker 1: which is going to be a lot of money to start.
Speaker 1: Maybe that's enough. Well that's what they thought that you
Speaker 1: gotta go, Okay, how do we cut our losses here?
Speaker 1: We'll give you name and likeness. Well, we'll give you
Speaker 1: what's yours. We're going to give that back to you.
Speaker 1: It's it interesting that someone like Page Bucklers can probably
Speaker 1: make more a Yukon than in WNBA. If it goes
Speaker 1: the right way, you could make a fair living here
Speaker 1: in certain markets. You can certain cities, certain franchise certain teams.
Speaker 1: I should say that you could make you know, a
Speaker 1: pretty good amount of money. Yeah, Polly, the NSA is
Speaker 1: a parent that won't give their kids an allowance, but
Speaker 1: will allow their kid to get a paper out. That's it.
Speaker 1: They avoid paying the kid by allowing them to work
Speaker 1: outside the building for their money. That's what they're gonna do.
Speaker 1: And by signing Mark Emeron, they're gonna sure that they
Speaker 1: don't pay player. The parents also just happened to have
Speaker 1: all the kids doing all the work around the house exactly,
Speaker 1: being like, now, go do your paper route to get paid.
Speaker 1: Welcome to the program, already in progress hour two. As
Speaker 1: we interrupted our draft coverage to bring you that. We'll
Speaker 1: get phone calls eight seven seven three d P Show
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Speaker 1: DPS show And we have a poll question, mclovin. Are
Speaker 1: we staying with that pole question for the second hour
Speaker 1: of the program. So though Polly wants a side bet, oh,
Speaker 1: a side bet, yeah, Now, keep in mind we already
Speaker 1: got some side action, yeah, between Seaton and mcloven tomorrow
Speaker 1: night based off Justin Fields. Yeah. The pull right now
Speaker 1: is who will win the bet? Senior mcloven, I have
Speaker 1: justin fields eight or lower. Seaton has some nine or higher.
Speaker 1: Pie per place fifty seven percent say I'm going to win.
Speaker 1: That one probably more about justin fields. Now, Polly and
Speaker 1: I have a sidebt. Well, keep in mind, there was
Speaker 1: a tweet that was just sent out late last hour,
Speaker 1: and I'm guessing this is from a football report. Yeah,
Speaker 1: an athletic reporter, the athletic reporter, okay, saying that the
Speaker 1: Patriots have inquired about moving up to number four overall,
Speaker 1: with the object of desire being justin fields. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: read that. It's a huge blow to my case because
Speaker 1: anything that's reported on the Patriots, the exact opposite always happens. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I'm guessing nobody has any information for the Patriots
Speaker 1: that this came from the Falcons to create a market
Speaker 1: here of Hey, somebody wants justin fields. Anybody else want
Speaker 1: justin fields? All right? What else do you have in
Speaker 1: clonbe So Polly and I still bet the payers will
Speaker 1: get players will get paid in some form based on
Speaker 1: the fact that the NCAA always loses these court cases
Speaker 1: and three years later, like they try to limit coaches pay,
Speaker 1: they lost, They try to limit name, image likeness, they
Speaker 1: lost thet O'Bannon case. Now they're doing it. So eventually
Speaker 1: this Supreme Court case is going to lead to some
Speaker 1: form of payment. Now, normally I don't do like three
Speaker 1: year bets, but the problem I did do a three
Speaker 1: year bet with you on Trevor Lauren. Yeah, three years
Speaker 1: ago I said he wouldn't be the number one overall pick.
Speaker 1: You were just sort of playing the odds that the
Speaker 1: quote unquote sure thing. It wasn't about Trevor Lawrence. It
Speaker 1: was really the idea that a shure thing is really
Speaker 1: a short thing. Yes, because we're usually not sure about
Speaker 1: a sure thing. Is it funny that Trevor Lawrence has
Speaker 1: stayed at this Yeah, it's such an anomaly. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: they all dropped. Watson dropped, two A dropped, Sam Darnold dropped,
Speaker 1: And we have a bet and I get a pie
Speaker 1: to the face on Friday, assuming that it's definitely happening, right,
Speaker 1: But then you could be getting pines to the face
Speaker 1: on Friday as well. See, Yeah, you don't have a
Speaker 1: fifteen pie downfall here. It could Yeah, I only get
Speaker 1: one pie. If Justin Fields goes like fifteen, then you're
Speaker 1: gonna get like six points. Yes, quick bet with mcleven.
Speaker 1: Two years from today, we are still discussing that college
Speaker 1: football players and basketball players are not getting paid by
Speaker 1: the university athletic programs that are only getting money from
Speaker 1: the likeness stuff, right mclevenne, that piece, I think it
Speaker 1: takes five years. I think it took like five years
Speaker 1: after that O'Bannon for name image likeness. It takes a while.
Speaker 1: I'll do two years whatever. Who cares. We're never going
Speaker 1: to remember this. Yeah, no, no. I told Mario he's
Speaker 1: got to write these things down because we do make
Speaker 1: these bets in the heat of the moment, and then
Speaker 1: Mario will come back and say, you know you lost
Speaker 1: a bet when there's like fourteen months ago. Oh okay,
Speaker 1: you know there's a Twitter feed dep show bets that
Speaker 1: takes out. We'd have no idea who runs it? Oh okay,
Speaker 1: well that's good, Yeah, Paul, he doesn't Mario. No, he's
Speaker 1: supposed to remember when we lose bets, not when you lose.
Speaker 1: He's been here a while, he should know the policy.
Speaker 1: We'll get phone calls coming up. Mel kiper draft expert
Speaker 1: will join us for several reasons. The top quarterbacks are
Speaker 1: usually gone by a number ten pick ten, and you know,
Speaker 1: the financial structure of the league gives extra incentive on
Speaker 1: taking a quarterback because the price is reasonable. Didn't used
Speaker 1: to be reasonable, but you took a quarterback that didn't
Speaker 1: mean played right away. And one of the other reasons
Speaker 1: is teams at the top of the draft normally need quarterbacks.
Speaker 1: It's kind of rare when you have a team that
Speaker 1: has a good quarterback and you're drafting in the top ten.
Speaker 1: The good teams aren't there, otherwise they wouldn't be good.
Speaker 1: But this year there are a few teams who are
Speaker 1: the exceptions to the rule because they're not high up
Speaker 1: in the draft, but they still need a quarterback. Defense
Speaker 1: help Washington and Chicago make the playoffs. They don't have
Speaker 1: high picks. They signed Ryan Fitzpatrick and the Bears signed
Speaker 1: Andy Dalton, But you still get the feeling that maybe
Speaker 1: the Bears are gonna be in the market for a quarterback.
Speaker 1: What about the Steelers playoff team, But they got Ben
Speaker 1: Roethlisberger at the end of his career. Then it becomes
Speaker 1: a question of price. You know, how much does it
Speaker 1: take to go up and get Trey Lancer justin fields,
Speaker 1: So don't be surprised if certain teams call around to
Speaker 1: find out if the answer is maybe yes to a
Speaker 1: very important question on the ability to move up. Patriots
Speaker 1: need to quarterback, Bears need a quarterback. Washington football team, see,
Speaker 1: Washington football team is a good quarterback, not great, A
Speaker 1: good quarterback away from being the best team in that division.
Speaker 1: And they were getting Alex Smith, and they were getting
Speaker 1: a healthy Alex Smith and he would still be their quarterback.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be surprised if the Washington football team was
Speaker 1: a player in trying to move up, because if now
Speaker 1: they got burned by Dwayne Haskins, does that mean you
Speaker 1: try to go after another Ohio State quarterback? I don't know.
Speaker 1: Do I look at Justin Fields differently than Dwayne Haskins?
Speaker 1: I do? Yeah, McLevin, where would you draft Justin Fields.
Speaker 1: I'm not asking to be a scout, but this year
Speaker 1: like sort of hunch on him because you've said a
Speaker 1: lot of good things about him this spring. I really
Speaker 1: like him. I'm trying to figure out what is the
Speaker 1: big negative here, Like what is it that we look
Speaker 1: at and go we we saw too much Justin Fields
Speaker 1: and not enough of Trey Lance. But it feels like
Speaker 1: we value Trey Lance more. And this goes back to
Speaker 1: what happened with Deshaun Watson, Like we saw so much
Speaker 1: of him that we go, okay, although that didn't hurt
Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence, but Zach Wilson, we didn't see that much.
Speaker 1: And I think that's the great mystery Mac Jones. You saw,
Speaker 1: but you didn't tune into Alabama to watch Mac Jones,
Speaker 1: And I think he was right there in front of us.
Speaker 1: We just didn't notice him. He wasn't featured. And then
Speaker 1: all of a sudden we started to look at the numbers,
Speaker 1: because you know, the best player on the field was
Speaker 1: Davante Smith. He's not making a play where you go,
Speaker 1: oh my god, like how many plays did you watch
Speaker 1: Mac Jones go and you go, ahead, oh my god,
Speaker 1: that's incredible. Like if you have accuracy and efficiency, nobody's going,
Speaker 1: oh my god, honey, you gotta command look at the
Speaker 1: accuracy and efficiency Sports Center Top ten plays. It might
Speaker 1: not be Mac. It might be Mac Jones throwing to
Speaker 1: the actual play is the catch by Avante Smith? Yeah? See.
Speaker 1: Somebody had pointed out though, like sort of defending Mac
Speaker 1: Jones saying that, yes, is he throwing to like super
Speaker 1: stud wide receivers. Absolutely, and how many times did those
Speaker 1: super stud wide receivers have to make an amazing play
Speaker 1: to catch the ball almost never. Yeah, well, they might
Speaker 1: have made themselves open by being incredible talents, therefore made
Speaker 1: it easier for Mac Jones to throw football. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean he still had I mean, if you're speaking accuracy, right,
Speaker 1: isn't that sort of what they're getting at that these did.
Speaker 1: There's none of those like jumping, diving, crazy handed plays.
Speaker 1: They usually hit the ball, get the ball right, and stride. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm looking at a lot of these touchdown receptions. Might
Speaker 1: Avante Smith and I go, yeah, probably make that one. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I could probably make that one. I don't know how
Speaker 1: many of them where you go, Boy, he fought off
Speaker 1: a defender and he threw off balance and he found
Speaker 1: Jalen Waddle. Yeah, but there's also never any that's like, well,
Speaker 1: they really made up for that crappy throw by Mac Jones.
Speaker 1: That's good for them, you know what I mean. No,
Speaker 1: he had great throws. But I'm guessing that for the
Speaker 1: second consecutive year you're gonna have two wide receivers from
Speaker 1: Alabama taken in the top fifteen. Yeah, mclub, And don't
Speaker 1: forget the run game too, dog, Harry, Like you gotta
Speaker 1: put a lot of guy linebackers on him too, So
Speaker 1: he had a lot of advantages. Although they became a
Speaker 1: more dynamic offense than they were a great defense because
Speaker 1: normally Saban gives you a running game and defense. And
Speaker 1: I think when he brought in Lane Kiff and he
Speaker 1: understood the seismic shift in college football, and that is
Speaker 1: I got to open my playbook here, and you know,
Speaker 1: Aj McCarron became more than just a game manager. You know,
Speaker 1: Greg McElroy was probably more of a game manager the
Speaker 1: type of quarterback that Nick Saban loves. Mac Jones put
Speaker 1: it up, Tah put it up. And you got all
Speaker 1: of this talent down there, why wouldn't you just dominate
Speaker 1: teams offensively? And it used to be, oh Saban defense,
Speaker 1: don't let Saban devise. If you give him two weeks,
Speaker 1: he's gonna you know, that's not the case anymore. Yeah, Paul,
Speaker 1: you're right. If you go back to like twenty ten eleven,
Speaker 1: I remember Alabama LSU had a game that was six
Speaker 1: to three, and then that twenty eleven Game of the
Speaker 1: Century the score was nine to six. Yeah, things have
Speaker 1: changed in Alabama and rightfully so, all right eight seven
Speaker 1: seven three d P show email address Dpatdanpatrick dot com.
Speaker 1: I still love this twelve team playoff from last season
Speaker 1: would have been Bama, Coastal Carolina, Notre Dame, Indiana, Clemson, Oklahoma,
Speaker 1: Ohio State, Cincinnati, Texas A and m Georgia, Iowa State
Speaker 1: in Florida. You're looking for good storylines, you're looking for
Speaker 1: good TV. And granted you might get blowouts there. You know,
Speaker 1: do I still think that Alabama and Clemson are cut
Speaker 1: above everybody with the Ohio State in there, Yes, I do.
Speaker 1: But if it's a neutral site and you have that chance,
Speaker 1: like all Coastal Carolinas asking is for a chance, that's it.
Speaker 1: Iowa State, you just want a chance and it may
Speaker 1: only happen once every five years, seven years, ten years,
Speaker 1: but you get that chance. Remember when Hawaii played in
Speaker 1: a bowl game and I think they played in the
Speaker 1: Sugar Bowl and they got blown out, but they got
Speaker 1: a chance, and that's all you want. Anybody who competes
Speaker 1: just wants a chance. Yeah. Point, there's lots of teams
Speaker 1: that go in and get people a game. Army took
Speaker 1: Oklahoma top five to overtime. It was thirty Oklahoma at
Speaker 1: Oklahoma's thirty one thirty one. Remember about five six years ago,
Speaker 1: Navy went into Ohio State. Ohio State was ranked fourth.
Speaker 1: That game was fourteen fourteen and a half. If you
Speaker 1: tell me, Coastal Carolina is fourteen fourty at a half
Speaker 1: of Alabama. Everyone's watching. Yeah, it's unlikely, but it's possible,
Speaker 1: you know. So once again, FBS commissioners are considering expanding
Speaker 1: the college football playoffs from four to double digit teams
Speaker 1: and the senses twelve teams. Building support. You know, these
Speaker 1: Power five conference commissioners, they run the sport. It's not
Speaker 1: the NCAA. Keep that in mind. But also it's more
Speaker 1: money to split and it will help out these athletic
Speaker 1: departments that have been devastated during this past year. We'll
Speaker 1: take a break. The great mel Kiper draft expert will
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Speaker 1: And keep in mind we've been talking about the possibility
Speaker 1: of a twelve team playoff FBS commissioners are considering expanding
Speaker 1: college football playoffs from four to double digits. There are
Speaker 1: multiple reports on this. Keep this in mind, they'd have
Speaker 1: to renegotiate the deal. You know, the playoff the contract
Speaker 1: goes through twenty twenty six, so they'd have to get
Speaker 1: with ESPN to be able to do this and renegotiate
Speaker 1: that contract. But I'll have more on this coming up.
Speaker 1: Top of X Hour, mel Kiper, draft expert, The Disney
Speaker 1: Company kicks off its presentation of the draft starting at
Speaker 1: eight eastern on ESPN, ABC, ESPN Deportez, ESPN Radio. Mike
Speaker 1: Greenberg will host primetime telecast in Cleveland. You have Booker McFarlane,
Speaker 1: you have Lewis Riddick, Chris Mortenson, Adam Schefter, Suzie Kolber,
Speaker 1: and that'll be ESPN's forty second NFL Draft telecast. Mel
Speaker 1: Kuiper's been along for the ride for most of those years.
Speaker 1: In fact, it is it forty years you've been doing
Speaker 1: this or have you been there since one? Mil dann
Speaker 1: have been doing it for forty three and with the
Speaker 1: ESPN thirty eight thirty eight? What is your mood like?
Speaker 1: How nervous are you? Will you be tomorrow night, not
Speaker 1: at all. I think. You know, you look back over
Speaker 1: the years, Dan, and maybe in the early first couple
Speaker 1: you were just apprehensive because you didn't really know kind
Speaker 1: of what to expect. And then Boomer, you know, Chris
Speaker 1: Berman kept me at either I was a bobbly and
Speaker 1: Chris Berman those first couple of years and that made
Speaker 1: it easier. And then after that, Dan, you just get
Speaker 1: used to You're always nervous when you don't know what
Speaker 1: to expect. And when you come in you're twenty two,
Speaker 1: twenty three years of age, and I haven't had any
Speaker 1: experience on television obviously, you know, going on an NFL
Speaker 1: draft show is something that you wonder, Okay, how do
Speaker 1: I do it? What do I do? I had no idea,
Speaker 1: There was no way of knowing until you actually did it.
Speaker 1: So after a year or two, it's it's obviously the
Speaker 1: preparation and you know, going in and you talk about it,
Speaker 1: dance so much as you know over the course of
Speaker 1: the year. But by the time you get the kind
Speaker 1: of draft that you're ready to get ready to get
Speaker 1: this thing started and find out actually where these guys
Speaker 1: are going to land. When's the last time you were
Speaker 1: truly surprised every year, every year, and that's why mock
Speaker 1: drafts you do them, Dan, but you want to be surprised.
Speaker 1: And nobody wants to know what the presidents are under
Speaker 1: the tree on Christmas morning. Nobody wants to know who's
Speaker 1: being picked. That we know the first two picks in
Speaker 1: this draft, Dan, And you know, nobody's talking about the
Speaker 1: Jets and Jacksonville anymore. Once about a month ago, it's
Speaker 1: everybody stopped talking about those two teams and those two picks.
Speaker 1: Now it was all about the forty nine ers and
Speaker 1: they've kind of kept people guessing a little bit. But
Speaker 1: we thought mac Jones, but that was all about at
Speaker 1: Land at four. So I think when you look at it,
Speaker 1: it's the unpredictability of just about every choice after maybe
Speaker 1: the first one. And I remember back then to Drew
Speaker 1: Bledsoe rick Meyer, you didn't even know the morning of
Speaker 1: the draft for sure the Drew was going number one.
Speaker 1: There's been other drafts like that. So I just think
Speaker 1: that's the anticipation of fans have. And the other crazy
Speaker 1: part for me, Dan, is after the draft, we do
Speaker 1: a great show. Okay, we graved the draft, and yeah,
Speaker 1: that'll be on Tuesday. Yeah, and even on Monday, when
Speaker 1: we go through the gauntlet of every show talking about
Speaker 1: the draft, I'll be talking about a player to how
Speaker 1: I mocked him, not where he actually went. Because in
Speaker 1: your mind over the last few months, you're thinking, I
Speaker 1: project this player to this team, and I've been pretty
Speaker 1: consistent with it, but that's not where he actually went.
Speaker 1: So once he goes there, you're going to kind of
Speaker 1: reprogram your mind to say, Okay, he's not a cowboy,
Speaker 1: now he's a Steeler or whatever it may be. Dan.
Speaker 1: So that that's on Monday and Tuesday. It's even more
Speaker 1: of a challenge than anything you do during the course
Speaker 1: of the year. Well, what you did initially was you
Speaker 1: projected where a player should go or what a team
Speaker 1: should do. Now it's different in a mock draft. If
Speaker 1: I said what should the Jets do at number two overall?
Speaker 1: Would that be different than what the Jets are going
Speaker 1: to do at number two? Yeah? Completely different. I would
Speaker 1: have kept Sam Darnald and utilize that pick by trading down.
Speaker 1: You say, if you stuck it too, you take the
Speaker 1: best player on your board, whatever receiver that is, whether
Speaker 1: it's Kyle Pitts, Jamar Chase, Devinata Smith, whoever it was,
Speaker 1: I would have gone four or with Sam Darnold. I
Speaker 1: think Douglas basically admitted then said that Okay, had we
Speaker 1: been picking three, that's exactly what we would have done.
Speaker 1: He fell in love with Zach Wilson, and that's why
Speaker 1: it was a second pick. He decided to take Zach
Speaker 1: and trade Sam. Now, how do you, like, say, have
Speaker 1: been picking thirty, would have kept Sam and then utilize
Speaker 1: that pick to get extra choices, moved down a little bit,
Speaker 1: or use that pick when a receiving entity. So I
Speaker 1: think it just came down to Joe Douglas's love with
Speaker 1: Zach Wilson and that tremendous arm talent and that great
Speaker 1: year he had at BYU to force him away from Sam.
Speaker 1: Also resetting the clock. We've talked about that how important
Speaker 1: that is. But I would have got the twenty three
Speaker 1: year old Sam Darnold to go through what he did.
Speaker 1: I don't think you owed it to him, Daniel or anybody.
Speaker 1: Life's not fair. He's nothing about fairness. But I think
Speaker 1: he gets a fresh start, He learned a lot and
Speaker 1: he'll be better for it. With the Carolina Panthers and
Speaker 1: if he's successful there, Carolina should have sank the Jets
Speaker 1: for putting him through that. Peyton Manning and Troy Hitman
Speaker 1: always told me, you'll learn by the mistakes. You learned
Speaker 1: by all the bumpy roads, and that's what Sam Darnold
Speaker 1: went through in New York. And now he's in Carolina
Speaker 1: with a completely fresh start. He's only he's the same
Speaker 1: age Dannis Style Trask's in this draft. What would what
Speaker 1: should the Niners do? I would take Justin Field. And
Speaker 1: that's been my second highest rate of quarterback all along.
Speaker 1: I was always said Josh Allen number one when he
Speaker 1: went but third quarterback overall, had Herbert high. Last year
Speaker 1: he went third overall. You think about the son at
Speaker 1: Jordan Love ahead of Herbert? You know some obviously you
Speaker 1: think that Justin Fields is the fifth quarterback in this draft.
Speaker 1: I respect all those opinions, and I just let's disagree.
Speaker 1: I think he's the second best quarterback. What he did
Speaker 1: in twenty nineteen is kind of being forgotten. It's kind
Speaker 1: of being overlooked. It's all about twenty twenty of COVID.
Speaker 1: What didn't you have Jordan Love above Justin Herbert? No?
Speaker 1: I said some did. I had tried to high grade
Speaker 1: on Herbert. Some had Jordan Love over Herbert, and you
Speaker 1: know that was where you know that happens and things
Speaker 1: to Everybody has different opinions. But yeah, that's why I
Speaker 1: say Herbert was very underrated. It was taken a lot
Speaker 1: of criticism going to the draft. Josh Allen I had
Speaker 1: the number one quarter I had a battle one Josh Allen.
Speaker 1: So I battled on Allen. I battled on Herbert. I said,
Speaker 1: some it moves Jordan Love ahead of him, and I'm
Speaker 1: battling Justine Fields. But it lost that battle. But I've
Speaker 1: said all along, Dan, this quarterback who falls a little
Speaker 1: bit like Josh did, like Justin was a third quarterback Herbert,
Speaker 1: Justin Fields would be the fifth quarter Those quarterbacks Rodgers
Speaker 1: go back in the Roethlisberger go back to Dan Marino
Speaker 1: in eighty three, sixth quarterback in round one. Okay, these
Speaker 1: quarterbacks that have fallen have done pretty well over the
Speaker 1: long hall. That's perfect, but they've done pretty real well.
Speaker 1: So it's maybe it's a chip they get from being
Speaker 1: overlooked and maybe criticized. I don't know what it is,
Speaker 1: but those teams have usually benefited from that drop, but
Speaker 1: they go to a better team. You know, the reason
Speaker 1: why you're up in the top ten or top five
Speaker 1: is because you probably don't have a good quarterback. And
Speaker 1: then if you go to a team and even if
Speaker 1: you sit, like you know, if you ended up with
Speaker 1: the Steelers and you know, you sat for a year
Speaker 1: with Ben Roethlisberger, or you went to one of these
Speaker 1: teams that you know, like the Bears are a playoff team,
Speaker 1: they just don't have a good quarterback. Washington Football team
Speaker 1: playoff team, they don't have a good quarterback. If you
Speaker 1: end up with one of those teams, you know, you
Speaker 1: might have a chance for long term success. Over Zach
Speaker 1: Wilson trying to survive the Jets. It's true, Dan, we
Speaker 1: went back to I went back to two thousand. Between
Speaker 1: two thousand and two thousand and sixteen, forty four quarterbacks
Speaker 1: went in the first round, always three year with the
Speaker 1: teams that drafted him. And that's Ben Roethlisberger's only one
Speaker 1: more year, Aaron Rodgers who could be moving one after
Speaker 1: the next year, who knows, and also Matt Ryan who
Speaker 1: has a couple more years left. And from two thousand
Speaker 1: and nine to two thousand and sixteen. I did that
Speaker 1: because I was Stafford Year against golf Yer. So between
Speaker 1: Stafford Hire in two thousand and nine and golf Year
Speaker 1: in twenty sixteen, n twenty two quarterbacks in the first round,
Speaker 1: none of them are with the teams that draft him.
Speaker 1: And since twenty seventeen we've had Haskins move on, Rosen
Speaker 1: move on, Darnold move on. It's just unbelievable how quarterbacks
Speaker 1: were drafted in the first round since two thousand the
Speaker 1: vast majority are gone from the team that drafted them.
Speaker 1: You spilled, Kuiper Draft expert. Where should Mac Jones go?
Speaker 1: You know, I think to New England would be the
Speaker 1: perfect spot. Yeah, forty nine ers obviously are three Kyle
Speaker 1: Shanahan seeds Roy like him, but I think the ideal
Speaker 1: spot would be San Francillo's face at the end. What's
Speaker 1: better than being in a Kyle Shanahan offense at darn
Speaker 1: or Mike Shanahan offense, and I guarantees the quarterback a
Speaker 1: chance for success. And the only thing that the only
Speaker 1: reason Jimmy Garoppolo isn't the quarterback defined clearly as our
Speaker 1: guy because he hasn't been able to stay healthy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: a couple of years and forth. The forty nine ers
Speaker 1: injured the year in New England when he filled in
Speaker 1: for Brady, was hurt there when he played in two
Speaker 1: of the four games when Tom was suspended. So he
Speaker 1: just hasn't been able to stay on the field. He
Speaker 1: had that meltdown in the late fourth in the midway
Speaker 1: point in the fourth quarter in the Super Bowl. But
Speaker 1: the durability with Garoppolo is the biggest issue. But I
Speaker 1: think if mac Jones goes there and he takes over
Speaker 1: for Garoppolo and year midway through year one or year two,
Speaker 1: whatever it is, he's gonna have success. If he goes
Speaker 1: in New England, obviously it's it's the Tom Brady fit
Speaker 1: as opposed to the Cam Newton fit. So I think
Speaker 1: either one of those spots would be good for mac Jones.
Speaker 1: Did you scout Tom Brady? I did? What do you
Speaker 1: think like them? I had? I had a grade on
Speaker 1: him like late fourth or earliest. I don't hire he went,
Speaker 1: which I can tell you is all in print. Dan.
Speaker 1: We talked about it when he was I took the
Speaker 1: anniversary of that we had they played the whole because
Speaker 1: the sound bit of what I said when he was
Speaker 1: drafted and I had him, had a Spurgeon Win. Member.
Speaker 1: Spurgeon Win went from Southwest Texas State, went ahead of
Speaker 1: Tom Brady to the Cleveland Browns. We're in Cleveland for
Speaker 1: the draft. Dan Cleveland took Spurgeon Wind in that year
Speaker 1: out of Southwest Texas State over Tom Brady. I can
Speaker 1: look back to the idem had a Spurgeon Wind, but
Speaker 1: the Browns obviously didn't and Tom Brady's. Tom Brady's career
Speaker 1: would have been a little different had the Browns taken
Speaker 1: him instead of us. Of the Spurgeon Win, Dan, where'd
Speaker 1: you have Russell Wilson? Probably a little too low? I was.
Speaker 1: I say a little about me. It's gonna be a
Speaker 1: Hall of fame. So everybody had him. He's a third
Speaker 1: round draft choice. I remember saying that year, I don't
Speaker 1: know what Russell Wilson will be. I have no idea.
Speaker 1: He's only five ten and three quarters. We've never had that.
Speaker 1: We had Seneca Willas around that size. You know, you
Speaker 1: had Fluty Going back to France Tarkington, there have been
Speaker 1: some France Tarkington had a great NFL career, but that
Speaker 1: that size, I said he was gonna he was gonna
Speaker 1: be the quarterback who defined the next thank for the
Speaker 1: next set the hundred years of the NFL, and what
Speaker 1: he did he opened up the opportunity for Kyler Murray
Speaker 1: to be the number one pick. Overall, his success or
Speaker 1: lack of was gonna define how other quarterbacks under six
Speaker 1: feet were going to be viewed. Dan and the fact
Speaker 1: that he did right now to what I said, I
Speaker 1: just said, I don't know. So if I don't know,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have drafted him high obviously, and he was
Speaker 1: in the third round. So again, the NFL was kind
Speaker 1: of having that wait and see approach with Russell Wilson
Speaker 1: as well, Hey, go prove it. If you prove it,
Speaker 1: then we'll look at five, ten, five eleven quarterbacks a
Speaker 1: lot differently moving forward. I remember watching the Big Ten
Speaker 1: title game. We were in Indianapolis, and Kirk Cousins and
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson were going back and forth in a shootout,
Speaker 1: and then you know, Kirk gets strafted I think fourth round.
Speaker 1: Rusk gets drafted third round. But a source of mind
Speaker 1: said at the time NFL scout he said, if Russell
Speaker 1: Wilson was six two, he would be a first round
Speaker 1: draft pick like The difference in the mindset even back then,
Speaker 1: was Hey, if he's five eleven, I don't know. But
Speaker 1: if he's six two, he's a first round draft pick.
Speaker 1: You believe that? Yeah, yeah, because it never happened before
Speaker 1: Dan to that level. And I think until somebody doesn't
Speaker 1: like I said he was a trailblazer, he did something
Speaker 1: that and I said, this one the draft to see,
Speaker 1: and John Gruden loved him. I give John Kretch John welcome,
Speaker 1: and you know, he was screaming me it doesn't matter
Speaker 1: while I said it matters, because, let's face it, I
Speaker 1: was kind of right and wrong. I was right in
Speaker 1: the fact he wasn't going to be a first round
Speaker 1: draft He was a third round draft pick. So if
Speaker 1: we're talking about where he was rated, I had it right.
Speaker 1: Doubt did I have it right when he would ends
Speaker 1: up being a Hall of Same right, you know, But
Speaker 1: the rest of the league got it all wrong too.
Speaker 1: Thirty two teams in this league. Hey, Dan Seattle waited
Speaker 1: until a third round. They could have very easily lost
Speaker 1: him too. So I give him credit for like Brady
Speaker 1: Brady goes newing On at the end of the sixth round,
Speaker 1: they took a kid from a quarterback from Virginia in
Speaker 1: the sixth round ahead of Tom Brady the Patriots did.
Speaker 1: But give them credit because they were one of thirty
Speaker 1: two that took him. Give Seattle credit because they were
Speaker 1: one of thirty two that took Russell. Well, but thirty
Speaker 1: one teams got it wrong, they got it right, and
Speaker 1: they still went in the third round. So again, I
Speaker 1: think he proved that it doesn't matter. And that's why
Speaker 1: I said, then, that's why Kyler Murray was the number
Speaker 1: one pick overall coming out of Oklahoma. But when he
Speaker 1: had some struggles with Texas A and M and and
Speaker 1: when people were wondering he's gonna play baseball when he
Speaker 1: think even with that, he went number one overall. And
Speaker 1: that was all because of Russell Wilson. Don't get defensive now,
Speaker 1: you know, I just want to you know, I'm just
Speaker 1: asking these questions, Sarah. I don't want you to be
Speaker 1: yelling at me, right, don't make me mad. Right? Then Yeah,
Speaker 1: let's take Trevor Lawrence out of this. The one player
Speaker 1: that you say can't miss. I would say the receivers
Speaker 1: as a group goes top four. I think, I think,
Speaker 1: and I think when you Pito that pitch you go
Speaker 1: to Davante, Jamar Chase, and Jalen Waddle. I think all
Speaker 1: four of those or that's your to me, that's your second, third, fourth,
Speaker 1: fifth highest rated players in this draft behind However, I
Speaker 1: think they're there, and I know receivers have some sales.
Speaker 1: You know, those are special guys. Those are the ultimate
Speaker 1: competitors that have the ability to help out on special
Speaker 1: teams like Waddle pits as a unique talent. Would I
Speaker 1: would bet on all four of those guys having great
Speaker 1: NFL careers. If one doesn't, that'll be it Dan And
Speaker 1: they might be good, not great, but I would I
Speaker 1: would say you're pretty safe taking any one of those
Speaker 1: four players that goes back to the Jets. They could
Speaker 1: have kept Sam Darnald and had one of those four
Speaker 1: even with a trade down and picking up extra choices.
Speaker 1: So Zach Wilson's gonna be defined by his greatness or
Speaker 1: a lack of and also be defined by how Sam
Speaker 1: Darnold does. So I think we're gonna be looking back
Speaker 1: on that whole move, but it's gonna gonna define Joe
Speaker 1: Douglas's career with the Jets if he hits with Zach Wilson.
Speaker 1: Then Joe Douglas is gonna have a winning work because
Speaker 1: he's gonna draft well. They got good scouts. The Jets
Speaker 1: drafted well last year. They're gonna get players around, Zach
Speaker 1: Wilson said, And they already have much better talent based
Speaker 1: that going into this year, and they will they had
Speaker 1: last year for Sam, So he's gonna have a chance.
Speaker 1: He's like saying he's gonna have a fighting chance. They
Speaker 1: have had no chance. Zach Wilson's gonna have a fighting
Speaker 1: chance that he's up to the task. Yeah. See, I'm
Speaker 1: just skeptical on Zach Wilson, and I'm skeptical on Trey Lance.
Speaker 1: I know they have talent. I just don't know, you know,
Speaker 1: what's it like with adversity. What's it like when you
Speaker 1: throw an interception? What's it like when you're facing an
Speaker 1: opponent who is a lot better than you. I don't
Speaker 1: know that, And I that's why I just pause that
Speaker 1: the Jets are sold on Zach Wilson. And look, he
Speaker 1: looks like a guy who would be playing a guy
Speaker 1: who gets drafted number two. Overall, I understand that. I
Speaker 1: just you know, we grew up in a time where
Speaker 1: we had so much more information on somebody, like we
Speaker 1: have too much information on Justin Fields. As a source
Speaker 1: said to me, people are overthinking Justin Fields. I don't
Speaker 1: get it. That's my that's my thought process. But I mean,
Speaker 1: it's hard to assess if I've got seven starts or
Speaker 1: you know, eleven starts here, it's just kind of crazy.
Speaker 1: Or I have to be I have to factor in
Speaker 1: your previous year like Jordan Love and then go, okay,
Speaker 1: who are you here? We don't factor in Justin Fields
Speaker 1: great year the year before, but what he did this
Speaker 1: past year, It's like, well, I don't know, I got
Speaker 1: questions here. I mean, that's why it's an inexact science.
Speaker 1: You just said it. I was just gonna say, Dan,
Speaker 1: you just took words out of my mouth, but I said,
Speaker 1: that's why it's unpredictable. That's why you never know. Fifty
Speaker 1: percent of these first rounders won't live up to their potential.
Speaker 1: Just the way it is. It's trying to find figure
Speaker 1: out who is has the biggest bus factor and make
Speaker 1: those decisions. You go back to pil Sims came out
Speaker 1: of Warhead State. Steve McNair out of Alcorn State. Williams
Speaker 1: at at Grantley. We've had them. Joe Blacko was at
Speaker 1: TIT then he finished up at Delaware, but he has these.
Speaker 1: You're right. You think about Trey Lance and certainly you
Speaker 1: know Zach Wilson. They haven't been on the big stage.
Speaker 1: They haven't faced any elite opponents. And that's now you're
Speaker 1: going too the big Apple if you're Zach and you're
Speaker 1: gonna be going somewhere, if you're training now. I think
Speaker 1: Trey if he goes to the right team that can
Speaker 1: let him sit, watch and learn for a year or two.
Speaker 1: He's only twenty years of age. Dan only had seventeen
Speaker 1: start I mean, completed less than s seven percent of
Speaker 1: his passes and six games against one double A opponents.
Speaker 1: So he needs time. His accuracy needs to improve. He
Speaker 1: needs time. I think when you look at a guy
Speaker 1: like Zach Wilson, I think the armed talent, the undeniable
Speaker 1: ability he had to move around, athletic kid, basketball player
Speaker 1: in high school, just one over Joe Douglas. Because Zach
Speaker 1: Wilson wasn't great in twenty eighteen or twenty nineteen. He
Speaker 1: wasn't Dan. He was a struggled with turnovers, he didn't
Speaker 1: have the accuracy does now. He wasn't the quarterback he
Speaker 1: was this year, But this year he definitely wowed everybody
Speaker 1: over against as I say, a cupcake schedule. How much
Speaker 1: time will you spend on your hair tomorrow night? Very little, Dan,
Speaker 1: It's not like it's not Hey, put a Dan, put
Speaker 1: it this way. It's not what it used to be.
Speaker 1: We're all we're all in that same boat. We're all
Speaker 1: in that same boat. You Dad, You're you're rolling along. Hey,
Speaker 1: it's great to talk to you. Congrats again for all
Speaker 1: your success. Mel. You started all of this. Well, we
Speaker 1: can blame you and we can credit. It's like Oberman
Speaker 1: and myself on Sports Center, you can give us credit.
Speaker 1: You can blame us as well for what we did
Speaker 1: on Sports Center. I think we can do that to
Speaker 1: you with all the mock drafts that are out there. Hey,
Speaker 1: it will always be the big show, Dan. I remember
Speaker 1: the book with Chieth Colby to do a little little
Speaker 1: little expert. I told Keith what you guys met to
Speaker 1: the sports and ESPN. It was remarkable what you meant
Speaker 1: and how how many fans I think you and Keith
Speaker 1: created all those years. Mel. Great to talk to you, buddy,
Speaker 1: have fun Tomorrow night. You're the best day. I take
Speaker 1: everyone that's mel kiper Draft expert. Their coverage starts tomorrow
Speaker 1: night and AID Eastern Greeney will be the host. You
Speaker 1: got Mel, you got Lewis Riddick, Biogram McFarlane, Chris Mortenson,
Speaker 1: Adam Schefter, Susie Kolber in there as well. How about
Speaker 1: the big Zapple Zapple, you know for Zach Zack Wilson Todd,
Speaker 1: the Big Zapple. We can make that work. Okay, bib
Speaker 1: Zacle Zapple. It's a little tricker with that third layer.
Speaker 1: Now you're not. I appreciate the effort. Okay, thank you,
Speaker 1: all right, I know you could do better than I'm challenging.
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Speaker 1: twelve team playoffs possibility coming up top of the hour.
Speaker 1: Let's again if you're just joining us. This was sent
Speaker 1: out by a couple of insiders, Andy Staples Stuart Mendel,
Speaker 1: FBS commissioners considering expanding the college football playoff from four
Speaker 1: schools up to double digit teams, with the sense that
Speaker 1: twelve teams is building support. We'll dive into this coming
Speaker 1: up at the top of the hour. We've done this
Speaker 1: before where we have somebody on and we say your
Speaker 1: mount rushmore, give me your top five, give me your
Speaker 1: starting lineup. Well. Chris Haynes was hosted a podcast with
Speaker 1: Julia Serving Basketball Hall of Fame and he named his
Speaker 1: first team and second team all time players. My first
Speaker 1: team is like Oscar Robinson and Jerry West, and I
Speaker 1: got Will Chamber and Bill Russell and Al Jambelma. You
Speaker 1: know that the second team, the Magic, Michael, Larry, calm Alone,
Speaker 1: Kareem Abdujibar, you know those guys. I don't know how
Speaker 1: much time he had to think about this with the
Speaker 1: question from Chris, but he sort of going in a
Speaker 1: generational direction there where you're picking Wilt and Bill Russell,
Speaker 1: Elgin Baylor, Jerry West, Oscar Robertson, and I understand that
Speaker 1: from that era, those are the players that you would
Speaker 1: be taken. And I'm glad he acknowledged Elgin Baylor. And
Speaker 1: then he went to the newer generation with the eighties
Speaker 1: with Michael and Magic and Larry, a little bit of
Speaker 1: the nineties. You put Karl Malone in there as well. Well,
Speaker 1: Lebron James didn't make the conversation. And here is doctor
Speaker 1: Jay explaining why Lebron is not one of his top
Speaker 1: ten players. Where you look at Lebron and big guy
Speaker 1: who has led the charge in terms of super teams
Speaker 1: being put together. You know when he put together a
Speaker 1: team in Miami, if we put together team together in
Speaker 1: Cleveland as well, and put together a team in Los
Speaker 1: Angeles so he could pick his own team. I angle
Speaker 1: pick pick his team. I've had about Yeah, Lebron would argue,
Speaker 1: these these super teams always existed. If you look at
Speaker 1: all the championship teams, they've always had two, three, or
Speaker 1: even sometimes four All Stars. They has Mark picking Allen teams. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you've had super teams. But you know, James Worthy on
Speaker 1: the Lakers is not because James Worthy said, hey, I
Speaker 1: want to join the Lakers. Robert Parrish or Kevin McHale
Speaker 1: joining the Celtics wasn't hey, we want to join the Celtics.
Speaker 1: They got traded there. But let me go back in
Speaker 1: time to Doctor j and he's one of my favorite players,
Speaker 1: one of my favorite people. But he forgot or he
Speaker 1: left out that they acquired Moses Malone and Doc couldn't
Speaker 1: win a title in the NBA. He had lost, uh
Speaker 1: you know in the two previous years. I think when
Speaker 1: he got into the NBA from the ABA, and all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, they get Moses Malone and they produce
Speaker 1: arguably the greatest postseason team of all time. That was
Speaker 1: the famous Moses Malone quote. Fo Fo Fox, We're gonna
Speaker 1: win four, and then we'll win four, and then we'll
Speaker 1: win four. We're gonna sweep everybody. And Doc needed Moses
Speaker 1: Malone to win championship. Now, Moses was I think a
Speaker 1: free agent who went to Philadelphia. He joined up with
Speaker 1: a really good seventy sixers team and they became a
Speaker 1: super team. That's one of the first instances I think
Speaker 1: that I can remember of a super team. Moses joined
Speaker 1: them and made them a super team. Now you want
Speaker 1: to say that about Lebron joining Miami, Absolutely, but what
Speaker 1: he did in Cleveland is unprecedented, the number of times
Speaker 1: going to the finals, and he didn't have anybody with him,
Speaker 1: and then he leaves, they have a terrible record, they
Speaker 1: get Kyrie, Lebron goes back, they bring in Kevin Love
Speaker 1: and you have your super team. Then he goes to
Speaker 1: la and yes, has he done that, Absolutely, But I
Speaker 1: can't I can't just dismiss what he did on his
Speaker 1: own in Cleveland. I think he took maybe the worst
Speaker 1: roster ever to the NBA Finals. I gotta give him
Speaker 1: credit for that. That's hercule herculean what he did. But
Speaker 1: Doc was going by eras, but he did say he
Speaker 1: singled out Lebron that he's the one who ushered in
Speaker 1: the super teams. Therefore he had a problem with that.
Speaker 1: Doc was the beneficiary of maybe the first super team
Speaker 1: where somebody joined you via free agent. But yeah, Doc
Speaker 1: can have his opinion. Everybody has their opinion on this topic. Cassie, Well,
Speaker 1: before it feels like he used to just be oh, no,
Speaker 1: we traded for this guy, or like, oh no, this person,
Speaker 1: we just traded for them. So it's okay, and now
Speaker 1: it's well, now now we're all coming together to form
Speaker 1: a super team. It's like a funny way of changing
Speaker 1: the description of what happens today. Yeah, but Moses was
Speaker 1: not traded to the seventy sixers. I don't believe mcloven
Speaker 1: Wasn't it he a free agent, just prostricted free agent. Yes, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: so he joined the seventy sixers. Just seems like the
Speaker 1: way it was spoken about then was differently than now. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we didn't talk about you know that whenever Red Arback
Speaker 1: would make a trade and all of a sudden it
Speaker 1: would benefit the Celtics, he'd fleece somebody. We'll talk college
Speaker 1: football playoff expanding to twelve teams coming up,