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Speaker 1: Countdown with Keith Olderman is a production of iHeartRadio. I'm suggesting,

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Speaker 1: mister President, says Kirk Douglas, is jaw straighter line even

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Speaker 1: than usual. There's a military plot to take over the government.

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Speaker 1: That is the fulcrum in a movie called Seven Days

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Speaker 1: in May. When it came out, was terrifying political science fiction.

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Speaker 1: And yet now as Trump brings the plot points of

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Speaker 1: that film to life, this life, in this America today,

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Speaker 1: it is clear that the military plot to take over

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Speaker 1: the government posited in that film undersold the idea because

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Speaker 1: it left out what is now evident. After Trump's purge

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Speaker 1: of the Pentagon over the weekend, and after what his

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Speaker 1: Secretary of Defense just said about removing eagle roadwalks to

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Speaker 1: what they intend to do, I'm suggesting there's a military

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Speaker 1: plot to take over the government orchestrated by the government.

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Speaker 1: Trump fired the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff

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Speaker 1: in his presence, a retired lieutenant general named Dan Raisin Cain.

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Speaker 1: Trump likes the nickname the way he liked Mad dog

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Speaker 1: mattis because Trump as the brain of a not very

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Speaker 1: bright fourth grader. Trump fired the judge Advocate of the Army,

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Speaker 1: the judge advocate of the Navy, and the judge advocate

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Speaker 1: of the Air Force as well. Friday. Trump also fired

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Speaker 1: the chief of Naval Operations and the Vice chief of

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Speaker 1: the Air Force, and fifty four hundred civilian Pentagon employees.

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Speaker 1: To start, what you have been told by news organizations,

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Speaker 1: even ones that still have good reporters, is that this

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Speaker 1: is part of the Trump racism orgy. The fired Joint

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Speaker 1: Chief Chairman Charles Q. Brown is black. The Chief of

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Speaker 1: Naval Operations was a woman. Their identities are cover stories

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Speaker 1: and red meat for the Trump cult. And I'm sure

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Speaker 1: that pleases Musk and the rest of the apartheid gang,

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Speaker 1: but they are incidental to the real purpose here. Trump

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Speaker 1: somebody he believes, though General Caine denies it war the

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Speaker 1: I am a Trump slave cap. Trump looked at the

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Speaker 1: top lawyers at the Army, Navy, and Air Force, the

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Speaker 1: ones who would tell him, no, you cannot have the

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Speaker 1: blockade Vancouver and Greenland and the Panama Canal, and you

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Speaker 1: can't bomb the next Democratic convention, and he fired those people.

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Speaker 1: At least six different reporters and commentators regularly on the

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Speaker 1: mid Terry Beets said the same thing. Firing the chairman

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Speaker 1: of the Joint Chiefs is bad. It is a red

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Speaker 1: flag firing the t jacks. The judge advocates the lawyers

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Speaker 1: who tell you when something you are going to do

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Speaker 1: with the military is illegal, that that can mean only

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Speaker 1: one thing. You are planning to do something with the

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Speaker 1: military that is illegal. You fire the people who would

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Speaker 1: say it's illegal and replace them in advance with the

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Speaker 1: people who would say it isn't illegal. Where am I

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Speaker 1: getting this from? There is one positive and one positive

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Speaker 1: only if you happened to have made a guy who

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Speaker 1: may have brain damage from alcoholism your secretary of Defense,

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Speaker 1: he would not know when to hide the secret parts.

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Speaker 1: Why did they fire the t jags? Pete Hegseth on

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Speaker 1: Fox yesterday, quote, we want lawyers who don't exist to

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Speaker 1: attempt to be roadblocks to anything that happens. Thing that happens,

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Speaker 1: Pistol Pete, anything in particular General Barry McCaffrey with whom

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Speaker 1: I briefly worked at MSNBC, and who I found unexpectedly

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Speaker 1: complete and very civilian ish. What even further quote, This

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Speaker 1: has nothing to do with confidence. This is creating an

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Speaker 1: You will recall that more than two months ago a

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Speaker 1: story appeared, burst across our horizons and then vanished. Prospective

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Speaker 1: occupants of high posts inside the Pentagon were at the

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Speaker 1: New York Times were asked, quote which candidate the applicants

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Speaker 1: thought about the events of January sixth, and whether they

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Speaker 1: macabre wit not usually associated with the New York Times quote,

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Speaker 1: the sense they got was there was only one right

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Speaker 1: answer to each question. No one who answered any of

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Speaker 1: the questions with the the truth got the job. This

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Speaker 1: run by incompetence and drunks and people who not only

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Speaker 1: If you put Pete Hegseth, who could never make the

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Speaker 1: in charge of all this, he is going to thank

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Speaker 1: mean he will kill people for you. Now, there are

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Speaker 1: different degrees of hell here. In the best case, sinner,

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Speaker 1: what Trump did Friday night, firing Joint Chiefs Chairman Brown

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Speaker 1: and John Kelly and Mark Milly, and he wants his generals.

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Speaker 1: He's no specific use for them right now, no specific plan,

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Speaker 1: Kim Jong un has. He wants a world in which

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Speaker 1: everybody not only calls him sir, but everybody has to

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Speaker 1: the history of the world, Trump is easily the unhappiest.

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Speaker 1: that is if we are lucky. The next best case,

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Speaker 1: be a political weapon. The generals generally will not say, yes,

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Speaker 1: we could overtake Greenland in three four days, we could

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Speaker 1: to Maga generals. That would be my American generals again,

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Speaker 1: generals under Raisin Cain. They would say all that. The problems, though,

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Speaker 1: not about literal saber rattling, having your private Chairman of

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Speaker 1: Undetectable Combover, and they say Undetectable Combover is legally approved,

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Speaker 1: one mile further, one nightmare worse. It's now Operation Perpetual

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Speaker 1: Stability we are talking about, and it's all the previous

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Speaker 1: those good old fake Bush era terrorist threats with exploding

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Speaker 1: visual aids and easel boards are still at ADIAMA for

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Speaker 1: example of that. Democratic Governor Janet Mills of Maine telling

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Speaker 1: Trump she would see him in court over this imaginary

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Speaker 2: it because you're not going to get any federal funding

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Speaker 2: And by the way, your population, even though it's somewhat liberal,

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Speaker 2: comply because otherwise you're not going to any any federal funding.

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Speaker 2: See every state. Good, I'll see and I look forward

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Speaker 3: Politics few fats.

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Speaker 1: Usually when states go to court rights the civil rights

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Speaker 1: no surprise because there's been no reaction. Mattow, nothing, Al Sharpton.

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Speaker 1: Have we heard anything from Al Sharpton, Because there's something

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Speaker 1: about joy read that I haven't gotten to yet that's

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00:29:44,315 --> 00:29:47,155
Speaker 1: kind of important here. In addition, to the fact that,

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Speaker 1: just practically speaking, the conduit to bring people to MSNBC,

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00:29:52,035 --> 00:29:55,635
Speaker 1: and thus to what remains of mainstream television news. The

434
00:29:55,715 --> 00:29:58,475
Speaker 1: conduit the person who said, let's book this guest, and

435
00:29:58,595 --> 00:30:00,555
Speaker 1: let's bring in that guy, and let's bring in this

436
00:30:00,595 --> 00:30:03,475
Speaker 1: woman and let's talk about this topic, which would have

437
00:30:03,515 --> 00:30:06,635
Speaker 1: been different than every something else on the air on MSNBC.

438
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Speaker 1: That was Joy Reid. And I had lots of problems

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Speaker 1: with lots of stuff she said. And I thought lots

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00:30:11,435 --> 00:30:14,915
Speaker 1: of stuff she said was absolutely crazy. And so what

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00:30:16,795 --> 00:30:18,915
Speaker 1: going back and looking at my shows from two thousand

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00:30:18,915 --> 00:30:21,675
Speaker 1: and seven, eight, nine, ten eleven, I don't agree with

443
00:30:21,715 --> 00:30:25,115
Speaker 1: everything I said then myself, let alone what other people said.

444
00:30:25,435 --> 00:30:27,395
Speaker 1: It's not supposed to be like that. It's supposed to

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Speaker 1: be inconsistent. It's supposed to be poking different areas to

446
00:30:32,115 --> 00:30:34,395
Speaker 1: see what holds up and what doesn't. It's supposed to

447
00:30:34,435 --> 00:30:37,395
Speaker 1: be saying, yeah, I like this Occupy Wall Street thing. No,

448
00:30:37,595 --> 00:30:41,275
Speaker 1: this is bullshit. It's supposed to be like that. It's

449
00:30:41,275 --> 00:30:44,235
Speaker 1: not supposed to be. Here is today's show. We could

450
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Speaker 1: record this and play it back to you two years

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00:30:46,715 --> 00:30:49,435
Speaker 1: from now, and you wouldn't know the difference. That's not

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Speaker 1: what it's supposed to be. And unfortunately the entirety of

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Speaker 1: the MSNBC lineup has become that, except the Morning Show,

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00:30:56,675 --> 00:31:04,035
Speaker 1: which is of course MSNVS. Because there's a problem here,

455
00:31:04,755 --> 00:31:07,155
Speaker 1: a larger problem, and nobody is going to say this.

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00:31:09,035 --> 00:31:12,835
Speaker 1: Do you remember Melissa Harris Perry, she used to be

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Speaker 1: on My Show, later known as Melissa Harris Lacewell. They

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00:31:17,035 --> 00:31:19,595
Speaker 1: gave her her own show in large part because she

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00:31:19,675 --> 00:31:22,075
Speaker 1: did such a good job as an analyst on Mine

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Speaker 1: and a couple of other shows, and she got her

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Speaker 1: own show, and they fired her. You remember Tiffany Cross.

462
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Speaker 1: Now there was somebody who liked to poke at things

463
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Speaker 1: and see whether or not they were true, and again

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Speaker 1: lots of things she said, I went holy crap wrong.

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Speaker 1: But so what you have to have room for that,

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Speaker 1: And what they're saying in MSNBC is we're not going

467
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Speaker 1: to have room for that anymore. She got fired. So

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Speaker 1: Melissa Harris Lacewell Perry or Melissa Harris Perry Lacewell. I'm sorry, Melissa,

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Speaker 1: I could never keep it straight. She got fired. Tiffany

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Speaker 1: Cross got fired. Remember Tiffany Cross, among the other things,

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Speaker 1: Tucker Carlson attacked her. She was the one who go

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Speaker 1: back and say this was on Fox the way I

473
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Speaker 1: used to Tucker Carlson claimed that Tiffany Cross was inspiring

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Speaker 1: genocide like Rwanda. Seriously. MSNBC's response, rather than to come

475
00:32:16,275 --> 00:32:20,035
Speaker 1: at Tucker Carlson with five million metaphorical machine guns, was

476
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Speaker 1: to fire Tiffany Cross, because you can have controversy as

477
00:32:24,235 --> 00:32:28,355
Speaker 1: long as it's controversy trademark, and you can sell it trademark,

478
00:32:28,635 --> 00:32:31,075
Speaker 1: and you can put a smile on its face trademark,

479
00:32:31,235 --> 00:32:33,955
Speaker 1: and you can give it a little silly grin or

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Speaker 1: a kind of sad grin or a feel good grin,

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Speaker 1: and then you can say, now here's Lawrence O'Donnell. They

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Speaker 1: fired her, They fired Melissa Harris Lacewell. Now they fired

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Speaker 1: Joy Reid. Now they fired Alex Wagner. Humm, Melissa Harris, Perry,

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Speaker 1: Tiffany Cross, Joy Reid, Alex Wagner. For women, what did

485
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Speaker 1: they have in common? Well, let's see, they all had

486
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Speaker 1: had their own shows solo hosts on MSNBC, and they

487
00:33:09,155 --> 00:33:12,395
Speaker 1: were all women of color, and they've all been fired.

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Speaker 1: I believe I'm not certain of this. I didn't I

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00:33:18,035 --> 00:33:21,275
Speaker 1: spent enough time wondering about MSNBC firings. I don't need

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Speaker 1: to go through the list again. Forgive me if I've

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Speaker 1: gotten this wrong, but I do know. They're the last four,

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Speaker 1: if not the only four women of color who have

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Speaker 1: hosted shows on MSNBC, and they've all been fired, and

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Speaker 1: they've all been replaced by well, but you're what's Michael

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Speaker 1: Steele is a man of color, and Simon Sanders is

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Speaker 1: a woman of color, and Alicia Menendez is a woman

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Speaker 1: of color. Yeah, they are official, they are safe. They

498
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Speaker 1: are not going to do crazy things or bring on

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Speaker 1: people you've never heard of before who turn out to

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Speaker 1: be better than the people you've heard of. And they

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Speaker 1: also may hire a professor from Columbia's a woman of color.

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Speaker 1: And they fired the only remaining women of color who

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Speaker 1: were solo anchoring political commentary shows on prominent national television networks.

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Speaker 1: Alex Wagner, I think probably is relieved by this. And

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Speaker 1: it doesn't mean that just because you're a woman of

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Speaker 1: color or a person of color, your show should be

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Speaker 1: held to a lower standard and you should get twenty

508
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Speaker 1: five years to improve it. No, at some point, guess what,

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Speaker 1: I don't care who it is. I don't care if

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Speaker 1: it's Jesus Christ fresh off the cross, a man of color,

511
00:34:29,875 --> 00:34:32,275
Speaker 1: that you would say, hey, you know, Jesus, I'm sorry.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't quite work. And the new Woodworking segments they

513
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Speaker 1: weren't any good either. That's not the point. The point

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Speaker 1: is not you must protect all people of color who

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Speaker 1: get television shows. But if the show is of value,

516
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Speaker 1: and the ratings for Joy Reid's show went up and down,

517
00:34:50,995 --> 00:34:55,435
Speaker 1: just as MSNBC's overall ratings went, and is it possible

518
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Speaker 1: that maybe she wasn't best for the seven o'clock slot,

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00:34:58,395 --> 00:35:01,275
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe later in the evening, maybe there might have

520
00:35:01,315 --> 00:35:04,915
Speaker 1: been a greater audience, maybe at ten o'clock. Now what

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Speaker 1: they saw was people have been sharing clips of the

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00:35:08,075 --> 00:35:12,195
Speaker 1: nightmare that is the Scott what's his name show Scott

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Speaker 1: Jennings on CNN, which is nominally Abby Phillips show, and

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Speaker 1: poor Abbi Phillips goes out there, Abby Phillip, excuse me,

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00:35:18,715 --> 00:35:22,515
Speaker 1: Abby Phillip goes out there and gets tortured by this

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Speaker 1: racist Scott Jennings. It's his show, and it's a bunch

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Speaker 1: of people talking about how much of a racist he is,

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Speaker 1: and he leans back in the chair and rocks back

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Speaker 1: and forth and mugs to the camera and creates viral clips.

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Speaker 1: And somebody at MSNBC said, wouldn't we rather have that

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Speaker 1: than Joy Reid, who's now bald, appearing on television every

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Speaker 1: night at seven o'clock? Don't we want this? Won't this

533
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Speaker 1: make it easier to sell this company when we want to?

534
00:35:47,995 --> 00:35:50,515
Speaker 1: Won't it make it easier the next time Trump threatens

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Speaker 1: NBC and MSNBC for us to say, but we fired

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Speaker 1: Joy Reid. More practically, MSNBC's problems in terms of its

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Speaker 1: profitability and its ratings had nothing to do with Joy Reid.

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Speaker 1: As I said, her ratings went up and down, exactly

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Speaker 1: as Chris Hayes's ratings went up and down, and Maddow's

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Speaker 1: ratings went up and down, and Maddow's replacements like Wagner,

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Speaker 1: their ratings went up and down. Lawrence O'Donnell went up

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Speaker 1: and down. A weekends went up and down, including the

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Speaker 1: Simone Sanders, Michael Steele Alishamanendez show ratings went up and down,

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Speaker 1: all in the same sign curves. The problem at MSNBC

545
00:36:28,035 --> 00:36:31,315
Speaker 1: is Joe Scarborough, and until you fire Joe Scarborough and

546
00:36:31,395 --> 00:36:34,435
Speaker 1: get Rid of msn V. She and what that told

547
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Speaker 1: people who watch that network, which I'm talking about largely

548
00:36:37,755 --> 00:36:42,235
Speaker 1: because A. I did invent it. B. It is the

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Speaker 1: only liberal network. It is the only thing even close

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Speaker 1: to being a liberal network. And the better it is,

551
00:36:48,555 --> 00:36:51,435
Speaker 1: the better it is for our society as we attempt

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Speaker 1: to keep democracy or some shred of democracy alive. We

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00:36:56,155 --> 00:37:02,595
Speaker 1: need a strong, vibrant, loud, fearless MSNBC and not the

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00:37:02,755 --> 00:37:06,955
Speaker 1: view forgive Me at seven clock every night. We need

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Speaker 1: people like Joyreid. Even if you sit there and go,

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Speaker 1: I'm not watching that, it's important that she's there for

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Speaker 1: the people who want to identify with somebody who looks

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Speaker 1: like Joyreid and say that woman is out here trying

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Speaker 1: to argue my point and is talking to me and

560
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Speaker 1: is bringing people who look like me and look like

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Speaker 1: her onto television for the first time, and some of

562
00:37:26,915 --> 00:37:29,155
Speaker 1: them are going to become superstars. And if we ever

563
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Speaker 1: get out of this goddamned mess caused by lack of courage,

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Speaker 1: often on places like MSNBC, often in places in the

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Speaker 1: public discourse, we're ever going to get out of this

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Speaker 1: mess and restore this democracy. It's gonna be because of

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Speaker 1: people like Joyreid, even if you don't agree with a

568
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Speaker 1: goddamned word. She said, no, keep Joe Scarborough um now

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Speaker 1: supporting Chump again. You've heard me talk about Chump being

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Speaker 1: Hitler all this time. I guess I was wrong. Remember

571
00:37:57,675 --> 00:38:03,235
Speaker 1: when I was trying to be his vice pasident take

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Speaker 1: somebody off his show to put him on in primetime

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Speaker 1: Michael Steele. Not take somebody off his show, Joe Scarborough

574
00:38:11,395 --> 00:38:15,355
Speaker 1: and put anything on, including bugs Bunny cartoons would be

575
00:38:15,355 --> 00:38:17,995
Speaker 1: a better political statement at seven o'clock in the morning

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Speaker 1: on MSNBC, and much more consistent and eloquent, and Bugs

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00:38:24,235 --> 00:38:29,955
Speaker 1: Bunny did not have a deviated septum either. One last

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00:38:30,315 --> 00:38:36,115
Speaker 1: procedural thing about this about MSNBC and it is I

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Speaker 1: think of it the way I do ESPN, not like

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Speaker 1: an ex spouse, but really as and it's a little pretentious,

581
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Speaker 1: but as a child, as a child that sometimes I

582
00:38:48,675 --> 00:38:50,995
Speaker 1: have had good relationships with and sometimes I have not.

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Speaker 1: And to some degree it's the same thing in limited

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Speaker 1: doses with ESPN. I did not father ESPN. It was

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Speaker 1: well established before I got there. But there are aspects

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Speaker 1: to that relationship in which I go, oh boy, that's

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00:39:03,795 --> 00:39:05,595
Speaker 1: not going to work out for you later on. Take

588
00:39:05,595 --> 00:39:07,355
Speaker 1: it from an old man, and I feel that way

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00:39:07,395 --> 00:39:11,075
Speaker 1: about MSNBC. And the other part about this is okay,

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00:39:11,195 --> 00:39:15,155
Speaker 1: you've had turmoil. Now at nine o'clock, Mattow retired. Mattow

591
00:39:15,195 --> 00:39:16,995
Speaker 1: went to once a week. They didn't know what to

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Speaker 1: do about Mattow. Matto's going to be replaced four days

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Speaker 1: week by Alex Wagner. Oh no, that's not working. We're

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Speaker 1: going to bring Matto back for five days week. She's

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Speaker 1: not going to do it long term. We'll bring Alex

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Speaker 1: Wagner back after this in April. Oh no, we're not

597
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Speaker 1: bringing her back. It's probably going to be Jensaki. You

598
00:39:31,795 --> 00:39:33,795
Speaker 1: know what. Jensaki is going to prove to not really

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Speaker 1: be a television person. There's going to be somebody else

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Speaker 1: needed at nine o'clock. Oh and let's now create chaos

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Speaker 1: at seven o'clock, because, honest to god, the first thing

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Speaker 1: I thought of when I was told on Saturday night

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Speaker 1: that they might get rid of joy read or that

604
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Speaker 1: it was done already. The first thing I thought of,

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Speaker 1: you now they're going to try to bring back Chris Matthews.

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Speaker 1: Because they've tried to bring back Chris Matthews in the

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Speaker 1: morning with Joe Scarborough, because we need Chris Matthews right

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Speaker 1: now because the shallow, random firings of the few electtions

609
00:40:04,755 --> 00:40:09,635
Speaker 1: Trodden's in his brain, something actually getting across those synapses,

610
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Speaker 1: knocking his references to himself out of the way for

611
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Speaker 1: a brief second. That's exactly what MSNBC and the political

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Speaker 1: dialogue needs right now, Joe Scarborough and Chris Matthews. When

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Speaker 1: we go to the camps and the doors open, the

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Speaker 1: guys in the hats with the keys will be Joe

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Speaker 1: Scarborough and Chris Matthews. But back to the point about

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Speaker 1: Joy Reid, and I would love to see I would

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Speaker 1: love to come to you again on Thursday and say,

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Speaker 1: you know what, I apologize to this MSNBC anchor, and

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Speaker 1: I apologize to Al Sharpton, and I apologize to this

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Speaker 1: group that I said they were going to say nothing.

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Speaker 1: And look at this, there's a five thousand person encampment

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Speaker 1: outside thirty Rock protesting Joy Reid getting fired. I'd love

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Speaker 1: to say that to you. I do not expect to

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Speaker 1: have to do it. I'm not writing notes down for

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Speaker 1: Thursday's show about the big backlash within MSNBC about Joy Reid.

626
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Speaker 1: Because Joy Reid threatens all their money. Joy Reid says

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Speaker 1: something controversial. Rachel Maddow thinks I have twenty five million

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Speaker 1: dollars coming to me. I want my money. But the

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Speaker 1: chaos is the real legend, the real history of MSNBC.

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Speaker 1: I don't know that I've ever shared this with you.

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Speaker 1: It took a friend of mine named Rainy and I

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Speaker 1: several days' worth of going through old memos to compile

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Speaker 1: this list. I've told you many times that I worked,

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Speaker 1: and this is my story about Joy Reid getting fired.

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Speaker 1: It of course comes back to me. I worked at

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Speaker 1: MSNBC from its second year nineteen ninety seven through the

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Speaker 1: end of its third year nineteen ninety eight. I did

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Speaker 1: the eight o'clock show. It's the first show anybody paid

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Speaker 1: attention to on MSNBC. And eventually I couldn't stand doing

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00:41:56,315 --> 00:41:57,995
Speaker 1: it anymore. It was all about Bill Clinton, and I

641
00:41:57,995 --> 00:42:00,115
Speaker 1: couldn't do it anymore, and they sold me to Fox

642
00:42:00,155 --> 00:42:02,355
Speaker 1: and I got out, and then that didn't work and

643
00:42:02,395 --> 00:42:03,955
Speaker 1: I went to see it in for a while and

644
00:42:04,395 --> 00:42:06,755
Speaker 1: they shows Connie Chung to host their eight o'clock show

645
00:42:06,795 --> 00:42:09,195
Speaker 1: instead of me, so that didn't work out, and NBC

646
00:42:09,435 --> 00:42:12,635
Speaker 1: was short an anchor at MSNBC and invited me to

647
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Speaker 1: come over for a couple of days, and the next

648
00:42:14,675 --> 00:42:16,235
Speaker 1: thing I knew, I signed a contract to do the

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Speaker 1: eight o'clock show again five years later. And my friend

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00:42:18,795 --> 00:42:21,395
Speaker 1: Rany and I before it was a parent that I

651
00:42:21,435 --> 00:42:22,995
Speaker 1: was going to stay there when it looked like I

652
00:42:23,035 --> 00:42:24,915
Speaker 1: was just there for a couple of days filling in

653
00:42:24,915 --> 00:42:27,635
Speaker 1: because they were short of anchors. We compiled this list

654
00:42:27,675 --> 00:42:31,795
Speaker 1: of all the shows that had been on after I

655
00:42:31,995 --> 00:42:34,795
Speaker 1: left the network on December fourth, nineteen ninety eight. And

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00:42:34,835 --> 00:42:36,835
Speaker 1: this is my fear of what is going to happen

657
00:42:36,955 --> 00:42:40,755
Speaker 1: MSNBC in the next couple of years. The Revolving Door,

658
00:42:41,475 --> 00:42:45,395
Speaker 1: the Game of Musical Chairs. Just listen to this. So

659
00:42:45,475 --> 00:42:48,355
Speaker 1: they had started the network with a show called Internight,

660
00:42:48,515 --> 00:42:51,435
Speaker 1: which had like sixteen different hosts. They'd try to get

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Speaker 1: somebody to sit down and do an hour long interview,

662
00:42:53,755 --> 00:42:56,795
Speaker 1: and they had everybody from Bob Costas to Bill Moyers.

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Speaker 1: They had sixteen different hosts and it was filmed. It

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Speaker 1: was on at eight o'clock at night, and nobody watched it.

665
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Speaker 1: So they needed a live television news show before the

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Speaker 1: Brian Williams newscast at nine o'clock and I was it

667
00:43:08,195 --> 00:43:11,635
Speaker 1: October first, nineteen ninety seven to December fourth, nineteen ninety eight,

668
00:43:11,675 --> 00:43:14,675
Speaker 1: and then I escaped and they replaced me with a

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Speaker 1: guy who they thought was exactly the same kind of show,

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Speaker 1: John Hockenberry. John lasted from December of ninety eight all

671
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Speaker 1: the way through to February of ninety nine, and then

672
00:43:26,955 --> 00:43:28,835
Speaker 1: eventually they moved him to the afternoon and when they

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Speaker 1: fired him in August of nineteen ninety nine, and his

674
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Speaker 1: last show, he asked rhetorically how much does cable suck?

675
00:43:34,835 --> 00:43:37,675
Speaker 1: And the answer is still being played out. John had

676
00:43:37,715 --> 00:43:42,875
Speaker 1: all kinds of problems dealing with women, as in he

677
00:43:43,075 --> 00:43:46,755
Speaker 1: was a sexual harriser. Okay anyway, so he gets fired.

678
00:43:46,915 --> 00:43:50,035
Speaker 1: The show that replaced me lasted three months. Then they

679
00:43:50,075 --> 00:43:55,435
Speaker 1: put on two half hour shows equal time with Oliver North,

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00:43:55,715 --> 00:43:59,115
Speaker 1: premiering in February of nineteen ninety nine and The McLaughlin

681
00:43:59,355 --> 00:44:03,555
Speaker 1: Special Report John McLoughlin from the mclaffelin Report wrong that guy.

682
00:44:03,995 --> 00:44:07,835
Speaker 1: They did two half hours that lasted a month. They

683
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Speaker 1: decided Oliver North needed half an hour, but he needed

684
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Speaker 1: a rotating set of co hosts. Now, I want to

685
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Speaker 1: clear this up. None of the co hosts sat there

686
00:44:16,435 --> 00:44:19,195
Speaker 1: and rotated. They had different hosts, they were on a

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00:44:19,275 --> 00:44:22,795
Speaker 1: rotational basis. I think in retrospect they regret this that

688
00:44:22,835 --> 00:44:25,315
Speaker 1: it should have been Oliver North with a co host

689
00:44:25,355 --> 00:44:30,875
Speaker 1: who rotated. The co hosts included Cynthia Axney, Peter Fenn

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00:44:30,875 --> 00:44:34,235
Speaker 1: and Keky Moore. I can picture two of these three people.

691
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Speaker 1: And at eight thirty they replaced Special Report from McLaughlin

692
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Speaker 1: that was canceled and they brought in Time and Again,

693
00:44:40,595 --> 00:44:48,035
Speaker 1: which was reruns of old NBC news features in April

694
00:44:48,075 --> 00:44:50,235
Speaker 1: of nineteen ninety nine, so a month later it became

695
00:44:50,635 --> 00:44:53,395
Speaker 1: a permanent hour long show with Oliver North and Paul

696
00:44:53,475 --> 00:44:57,955
Speaker 1: Begala as co hosts. May thirtieth of nineteen ninety nine,

697
00:44:57,995 --> 00:45:00,915
Speaker 1: so six weeks later it became North and Begala shortened

698
00:45:00,955 --> 00:45:03,715
Speaker 1: to half an hour, and Time and Again came back,

699
00:45:03,795 --> 00:45:05,635
Speaker 1: so it was Time and Again. It's Time and Again.

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00:45:06,555 --> 00:45:10,235
Speaker 1: Another month later, in June nineteen ninety nine, they replaced

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Speaker 1: the whole thing Oliver North out special edition with Ann

702
00:45:14,355 --> 00:45:19,635
Speaker 1: Curry in filmed recuts of Ann Curry pieces from Dateline

703
00:45:19,675 --> 00:45:22,275
Speaker 1: and other shows. Now. I love Ann Curry, I worked

704
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Speaker 1: with her in Los Angeles, A great person, a wonderful

705
00:45:25,195 --> 00:45:28,195
Speaker 1: human being to my mind, and again at eight thirty time,

706
00:45:28,235 --> 00:45:32,795
Speaker 1: and again. Then they expanded in about a month. In

707
00:45:32,875 --> 00:45:35,875
Speaker 1: July of nineteen ninety nine, the Special Edition with Ann

708
00:45:35,955 --> 00:45:38,435
Speaker 1: Curry went to an hour. Then Ann Curry left the

709
00:45:38,435 --> 00:45:40,315
Speaker 1: program in May of two thousand, and they made it

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Speaker 1: Special Edition with Louri Do. Then in August, so now

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00:45:44,035 --> 00:45:48,555
Speaker 1: what three months later it became MSNBC Investigates, and the

712
00:45:48,635 --> 00:45:53,795
Speaker 1: joke was NBC Investigates, What happened to Lori Do? On

713
00:45:53,835 --> 00:45:59,475
Speaker 1: September twenty eighth, two thousand, they made MSNBC Investigates a

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Speaker 1: four day a week show, So Monday through Thursday it

715
00:46:01,635 --> 00:46:04,595
Speaker 1: was MSNBC Investigates. Again, this is all the eight o'clock

716
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Speaker 1: after I left, We're on show twelve so far year two,

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Speaker 1: Show twelve in the eight o'clock slot MSNBC Investigates. But

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Speaker 1: on Friday it wasn't MSNBC Investigates. It was a weekly

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Speaker 1: show called Missing Persons with Diane Diamond. Soon it was

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Speaker 1: Missing Missing Persons with Diane Diamond. It was canceled after

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Speaker 1: one month, so they go back to an hour of

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Speaker 1: MSNBC Investigates. A pre tape show every night in October

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Speaker 1: two thousand. Then as the election approached, it became News

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Speaker 1: Force with Forests Sawyer News Force. I don't want to

725
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Speaker 1: know who thought Force was a good name to put

726
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Speaker 1: in a newscast. So that evolved into Decision two thousand

727
00:46:52,715 --> 00:46:54,915
Speaker 1: in December because there was no decision in the election,

728
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Speaker 1: and it became Decision two thousand with Forest Sawyer. And

729
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Speaker 1: when they finally, to MSNBC's great resil regret, resolved the

730
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Speaker 1: Gore Bush election in January two thousand and one, it

731
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Speaker 1: became MSNBC Investigates again till July. And in July two

732
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Speaker 1: thousand and one they solved the crisis of what to

733
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Speaker 1: do at eight o'clock, only two and a half years

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Speaker 1: after I had left the news with Brian Williams at

735
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Speaker 1: eight o'clock for nearly fourteen months, and then he said

736
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Speaker 1: I don't want anything to do with MSNBC ever again.

737
00:47:30,275 --> 00:47:32,635
Speaker 1: In September two thousand and two, at eight o'clock they

738
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Speaker 1: premiered The Phil Donahue Show, which lasted until February two

739
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Speaker 1: thousand and three because the show cost more money than

740
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Speaker 1: they could possibly make in advertising, and they replaced it

741
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Speaker 1: with Countdown Iraq with Lester Holt and segments with Pat

742
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Speaker 1: Buchanan and Bill Press. In the middle of a show

743
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Speaker 1: Getting America Ready for War at eight o'clock, MSNBC had

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00:47:56,835 --> 00:48:01,355
Speaker 1: Countdown Iraq with Lester Holt and Buchanan and Press. And

745
00:48:01,475 --> 00:48:03,635
Speaker 1: then they had to move less your Holt to the

746
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Speaker 1: network and so Operation Iraqi Freedom with Keith Olberman. Soon

747
00:48:14,595 --> 00:48:17,195
Speaker 1: that was not enough, the news from Iraq was no

748
00:48:17,275 --> 00:48:19,995
Speaker 1: longer interesting, and we made it Countdown with Keith Olderman

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Speaker 1: March thirty first, two thousand and three. So that was

750
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Speaker 1: twenty shows me twenty new shows in four years, and

751
00:48:29,955 --> 00:48:35,755
Speaker 1: then me again because you can't have this. And then

752
00:48:35,795 --> 00:48:38,475
Speaker 1: after I left in twenty eleven, it was the last

753
00:48:38,475 --> 00:48:45,915
Speaker 1: Word with Lawrence O'Donnell for a while, like nine months.

754
00:48:45,995 --> 00:48:48,955
Speaker 1: Then they put ed Schultz on instead. Then they put

755
00:48:48,955 --> 00:48:57,435
Speaker 1: in Chris Hayes in twenty thirteen. The idea here is

756
00:48:57,475 --> 00:49:01,115
Speaker 1: to return finally to the subject of joyread. You put

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Speaker 1: people on TV who you, the executives can control when

758
00:49:06,195 --> 00:49:09,075
Speaker 1: the chips are down, when the company is in trouble,

759
00:49:09,835 --> 00:49:12,555
Speaker 1: when the boss goes to the anchor and says, don't

760
00:49:12,875 --> 00:49:18,675
Speaker 1: say this, they say, don't say what and then they

761
00:49:18,675 --> 00:49:23,955
Speaker 1: don't say anything when the company is in trouble, when

762
00:49:24,235 --> 00:49:27,515
Speaker 1: a dollar might not be earned. You won't hear crap

763
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Speaker 1: out of Madow or O'Donnell or Hayes or Sanders or

764
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Speaker 1: Steel or Menendez or Jensaki. My version of this, and

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Speaker 1: it might have been stylistically philosophically, it might have been

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Speaker 1: the Only thing I shared with Joy Read was that

767
00:49:46,155 --> 00:49:48,355
Speaker 1: when the chips were down in this circumstance and a

768
00:49:48,395 --> 00:49:50,995
Speaker 1: dollar was at risk, I felt it was my job

769
00:49:51,675 --> 00:49:55,955
Speaker 1: to say what they did not want me to say.

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00:49:56,155 --> 00:50:00,115
Speaker 1: Not always, there are sometimes management is right. But if

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Speaker 1: they don't want you to touch a controversial topic, grab

772
00:50:03,035 --> 00:50:07,755
Speaker 1: it with both hands. That's your job. If not, if

773
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Speaker 1: you're not willing to do that, you can be replaced.

774
00:50:11,355 --> 00:50:19,195
Speaker 1: You can be replaced by missing persons with Diane Diamond.

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00:50:19,275 --> 00:50:21,395
Speaker 1: Nothing against Diana. Used to work with her in Radio

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Speaker 1: Lovely Woman. You could be replaced by news Force. News Force,

777
00:50:28,955 --> 00:50:33,755
Speaker 1: we break down your door and drag you away. It

778
00:50:33,915 --> 00:50:37,075
Speaker 1: is your job as a political commentator to get yourself

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Speaker 1: into trouble whenever possible, now, whenever necessary. I did that.

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Speaker 1: Joy Reid did that. I'm sure she looked at my

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Speaker 1: times in trouble and went, what are you doing that for?

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Speaker 1: And I know I've looked at her in some occasions

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Speaker 1: and gone, what are you doing that for? Doesn't matter.

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Speaker 1: The other thing you're supposed to do is you are

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00:51:00,235 --> 00:51:04,115
Speaker 1: supposed to spend your political capital, your small p political capital,

786
00:51:04,155 --> 00:51:09,155
Speaker 1: your business capital inside your own operation, defending your colleagues

787
00:51:09,475 --> 00:51:11,955
Speaker 1: or becoming a pain in the ass to management, develop

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Speaker 1: a reputation with management, to get people they didn't want

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00:51:16,195 --> 00:51:19,355
Speaker 1: hired hired, or to get people they didn't want on

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Speaker 1: the air on the air. Matdaw is a perfect example

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00:51:23,835 --> 00:51:25,675
Speaker 1: of that. I'm not going to belabor that point, but

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Speaker 1: Joy Reid did that with a dozen people, and they

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Speaker 1: might as well have been all of them might as

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00:51:31,035 --> 00:51:33,515
Speaker 1: well have been Hughey Newton from the eyes of MSNBC

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00:51:33,675 --> 00:51:35,515
Speaker 1: management from the day they put her on the air

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00:51:36,555 --> 00:51:39,635
Speaker 1: on the weekends to the day they put her on

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Speaker 1: at eight o'clock with the current executives who just sold

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Speaker 1: the thing off so they could distance themselves from anything

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00:51:47,835 --> 00:51:54,035
Speaker 1: good in television news. Again, I will be delighted to

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00:51:54,075 --> 00:51:58,235
Speaker 1: come out here and apologize profusely and for an hour,

801
00:51:58,675 --> 00:52:01,355
Speaker 1: and this has been half an hour. Here I will

802
00:52:01,395 --> 00:52:05,275
Speaker 1: profusely apologize to anybody at MSNBC who stands up in

803
00:52:05,315 --> 00:52:09,075
Speaker 1: defensive joy Reid and says this stinks. This makes us white.

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00:52:09,235 --> 00:52:13,075
Speaker 1: This is contributing to the entirety of the Trump racism

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00:52:13,155 --> 00:52:16,275
Speaker 1: enveloping this country. And it is part of a stampede

806
00:52:16,395 --> 00:52:20,355
Speaker 1: to see which formerly liberal company can get to the

807
00:52:20,395 --> 00:52:25,395
Speaker 1: head of the racism line, the approved racism line, as

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00:52:25,475 --> 00:52:28,555
Speaker 1: fast as possible. And joy Read getting removed from the

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Speaker 1: primetime lineup of MSNBC is MSNBC's biggest contribution yet, although

810
00:52:34,355 --> 00:52:40,875
Speaker 1: Scarborough could top it at any moment. But honestly, what

811
00:52:40,915 --> 00:52:45,315
Speaker 1: do you expect to hear about joy Read from the

812
00:52:45,355 --> 00:52:51,555
Speaker 1: other people who count at MSNBC. You want to hear

813
00:52:51,595 --> 00:52:58,395
Speaker 1: it again? Worst persons next, and the sad self destruction

814
00:52:59,235 --> 00:53:05,035
Speaker 1: of a man named Wayne Gretzky formerly of Canada, now

815
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Speaker 1: the man without a country. That's next. This is Countdown.

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Speaker 5: This is sports Center. Wait, check that not anymore. This

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Speaker 5: is Countdown with Keith.

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Speaker 1: Ulberman from the sports ball Central centered news desk tonight, Dateline, Boston, Massachusetts. Hello, Okay,

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Speaker 1: when I get him wrong, I get him wrong. That

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Speaker 1: irrelevant NHL four Nations face off exhibition series that I

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00:53:55,035 --> 00:53:57,555
Speaker 1: complained about last week before it happened. Turned out to

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Speaker 1: be as big a hockey event as anything since probably

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Speaker 1: the nineteen eighty Miracle on Ice. Three hundred thousand viewers

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Speaker 1: on ABC last Thursday night for the final game between

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Speaker 1: the US and Canada, which was won by the good guys.

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Speaker 1: You heard me. These days, Canada is America if America

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Speaker 1: had not dropped out of school anyway. Now that the

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Speaker 1: tournament is over, and it isn't really over, the Canadians

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Speaker 1: are still talking about it. Oh my god, this is

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Speaker 1: the one downturn to this. The Canadians will be showing

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Speaker 1: the highlights of that overtime winning goal for the next

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Speaker 1: sixty seven years. As the planet burns to a cinder,

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00:54:39,715 --> 00:54:43,035
Speaker 1: the last thing seen on Canadian television will be that goal.

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Speaker 1: But in the interim, there are two questions. Were the

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Speaker 1: circumstances for this unique could it be replicated and institutionalized

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Speaker 1: or was it a one off? Was this just about

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Speaker 1: Trump's fifty first state and tariff idiocy? And what is

838
00:55:01,715 --> 00:55:04,355
Speaker 1: perceived in Canada as a mortal threat to the nation.

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00:55:04,755 --> 00:55:07,915
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, well we're thinking of invading Canada. That's not

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Speaker 1: the way they see it because the US Canada rivalry

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00:55:15,075 --> 00:55:18,075
Speaker 1: has always been gigantic in Canada, but here it's more like,

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00:55:18,115 --> 00:55:20,315
Speaker 1: all right, I guess we're rivals, all right. I guess

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00:55:20,355 --> 00:55:22,275
Speaker 1: they would be offended if we're going to invade them,

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Speaker 1: I suppose. So, what's that newest movie being made out

845
00:55:27,835 --> 00:55:36,635
Speaker 1: of a comic book? Avenger Action Star Wars Galaxy comic book.

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00:55:37,235 --> 00:55:40,275
Speaker 1: Canadian hockey figures often break her up the twenty ten

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00:55:40,315 --> 00:55:44,035
Speaker 1: Olympic gold medal game, which was decided by Sidney Crosby's

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Speaker 1: golden goal Canada over the US, as if it would

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Speaker 1: hurt you as an American very badly. I don't think.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what percentage of Americans know about the

851
00:55:55,235 --> 00:55:58,195
Speaker 1: twenty ten Olympics. It's got to be something like one

852
00:55:58,275 --> 00:56:01,515
Speaker 1: tenth of one percent. In Canada, something like ninety nine

853
00:56:01,515 --> 00:56:07,315
Speaker 1: point nine percent. This registered. This tournament registered probably because

854
00:56:07,315 --> 00:56:10,275
Speaker 1: of the booing the American anthem stuff with a lot

855
00:56:10,315 --> 00:56:13,675
Speaker 1: of morons in this country. The morons who think it

856
00:56:13,835 --> 00:56:15,955
Speaker 1: just sort of happened, the booing of the American anthem

857
00:56:15,995 --> 00:56:19,355
Speaker 1: at National Hockey League games, and it was not instigated, provoked,

858
00:56:19,835 --> 00:56:23,635
Speaker 1: entirely created by Trump's insane threats or the smarter ones

859
00:56:23,715 --> 00:56:26,715
Speaker 1: know that this started with Trump's threats, but they still

860
00:56:26,715 --> 00:56:31,195
Speaker 1: reacted viscerably or viscerally in English, as if no provocation

861
00:56:31,235 --> 00:56:35,555
Speaker 1: could possibly justify booing our beloved national song that all

862
00:56:35,595 --> 00:56:39,555
Speaker 1: Americans know by heart. Well, no almost nobody can sing

863
00:56:39,595 --> 00:56:43,755
Speaker 1: it here. Ninety percent of American professional singers who go

864
00:56:43,835 --> 00:56:46,355
Speaker 1: out and sing it at ballgames get at least one

865
00:56:46,395 --> 00:56:50,875
Speaker 1: wrong word, usually instead of saying or the Land of

866
00:56:50,875 --> 00:56:55,715
Speaker 1: the Free, oh hyphen er, oh apostrophe er, it's an

867
00:56:55,755 --> 00:57:00,955
Speaker 1: abbreviation for over invariably that is sung as for the

868
00:57:01,035 --> 00:57:06,795
Speaker 1: Land of the Free, usually twice. Anyway, from a hockey viewpoint,

869
00:57:07,275 --> 00:57:10,475
Speaker 1: the whole thing was gold. But the problem is gold,

870
00:57:10,955 --> 00:57:13,155
Speaker 1: as in Olympic gold. The NHL is going to interrupt

871
00:57:13,155 --> 00:57:16,235
Speaker 1: its season next year for the Winter Olympics in Italy.

872
00:57:16,915 --> 00:57:19,915
Speaker 1: Then the NHL plans to resume the World Cup of

873
00:57:19,955 --> 00:57:22,915
Speaker 1: Hockey in twenty twenty eight. Now it's players want this

874
00:57:23,035 --> 00:57:26,675
Speaker 1: four nations faceoff to return. That would presumably be in

875
00:57:26,715 --> 00:57:29,515
Speaker 1: twenty twenty seven, but the Swedes and the Finns are

876
00:57:29,515 --> 00:57:32,635
Speaker 1: demanding that some games be played in Scandinavia. Oh, that's right.

877
00:57:32,715 --> 00:57:34,755
Speaker 1: The Swedes and the Finns had teams in the four

878
00:57:34,835 --> 00:57:38,835
Speaker 1: Nations faceoff too. You may not have noticed them. They were,

879
00:57:39,235 --> 00:57:44,675
Speaker 1: as we say in trade filler. Now, this is all

880
00:57:44,715 --> 00:57:46,875
Speaker 1: well and good for a hockey championship. Of course there

881
00:57:46,875 --> 00:57:49,155
Speaker 1: should be games in Europe. It's a Swedish team and

882
00:57:49,635 --> 00:57:52,795
Speaker 1: a Finnish team, and it's all good for Canadian hockey

883
00:57:52,835 --> 00:57:55,875
Speaker 1: fans who think the idea of going to Finland in

884
00:57:55,915 --> 00:58:01,035
Speaker 1: February for Canada Finland game is a reasonable vacation. But

885
00:58:01,075 --> 00:58:03,155
Speaker 1: the NHL has already forgotten the real lesson of the

886
00:58:03,155 --> 00:58:05,355
Speaker 1: success of the tournament last week. In the United States,

887
00:58:05,395 --> 00:58:09,235
Speaker 1: sports fans they don't really care about the Olympics. When

888
00:58:09,275 --> 00:58:11,835
Speaker 1: they do care about the Olympics, it's about the American

889
00:58:11,875 --> 00:58:15,635
Speaker 1: team about to win in the Olympics, nothing else. If

890
00:58:15,675 --> 00:58:20,515
Speaker 1: that had been America versus Finland in the final, that

891
00:58:20,555 --> 00:58:22,795
Speaker 1: would not have been nine million, three hundred thousand viewers.

892
00:58:22,795 --> 00:58:26,715
Speaker 1: It might have been nine hundred and thirty viewers, because

893
00:58:26,955 --> 00:58:31,075
Speaker 1: you know, we didn't threaten to invade Finland yet, Which

894
00:58:31,115 --> 00:58:33,235
Speaker 1: brings me to my second question. The NHL has this

895
00:58:33,355 --> 00:58:36,755
Speaker 1: history of not just failing to exploit marketing gifts, but

896
00:58:36,875 --> 00:58:40,915
Speaker 1: absolutely erasing them. The league did almost nothing after the

897
00:58:40,915 --> 00:58:44,555
Speaker 1: Americans won the nineteen eighty Olympics. It would have required

898
00:58:44,595 --> 00:58:48,075
Speaker 1: contractual and legal gymnastics, but the play would have been

899
00:58:48,995 --> 00:58:51,435
Speaker 1: to take that American Olympic team that beat the Russians

900
00:58:51,475 --> 00:58:55,315
Speaker 1: intact and give it its own franchise, put it in

901
00:58:55,355 --> 00:58:57,435
Speaker 1: the Stanley Cup playoffs, and see how it does against

902
00:58:57,435 --> 00:59:01,475
Speaker 1: the pros. Of course, nobody even contemplated doing something like that,

903
00:59:01,635 --> 00:59:05,435
Speaker 1: or some sliver of that. The players were instead scattered

904
00:59:05,475 --> 00:59:08,755
Speaker 1: among all the other teams and fell back into obscurity.

905
00:59:10,195 --> 00:59:14,315
Speaker 1: Nice movie, not nice playing careers. In nineteen ninety four, though,

906
00:59:14,355 --> 00:59:16,475
Speaker 1: the New York Rangers won their first Stanley Cup in

907
00:59:16,475 --> 00:59:19,235
Speaker 1: fifty four years, not that they really tried for most

908
00:59:19,275 --> 00:59:21,395
Speaker 1: of that time. I mean, their owners owned the arena,

909
00:59:21,995 --> 00:59:24,275
Speaker 1: and the owners would still refuse to give up valuable

910
00:59:24,275 --> 00:59:28,075
Speaker 1: money renting Madison Square Garden to the Wringling Brothers Barnum

911
00:59:28,075 --> 00:59:31,595
Speaker 1: and Bailey Circus every April. Their New York Rangers made

912
00:59:31,635 --> 00:59:33,915
Speaker 1: the Stanley Cup Final in nineteen fifty and they had

913
00:59:33,955 --> 00:59:36,435
Speaker 1: to play all seven games on the road because their

914
00:59:36,475 --> 00:59:41,995
Speaker 1: home arena, owned by the team, was busy is being

915
00:59:42,115 --> 00:59:45,115
Speaker 1: used for the circus, so the Elephants could take a

916
00:59:45,195 --> 00:59:49,355
Speaker 1: dump on Center Ice still in nineteen ninety four, the

917
00:59:49,435 --> 00:59:52,075
Speaker 1: Rangers winning was a story that, in the utterly New

918
00:59:52,155 --> 00:59:55,755
Speaker 1: York centric advertising world of thirty one years ago, completely

919
00:59:55,835 --> 00:59:59,715
Speaker 1: blotted out basketball and football and baseball at least for

920
00:59:59,755 --> 01:00:02,315
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks. Madison Avenue was prepared to go

921
01:00:02,355 --> 01:00:04,435
Speaker 1: to Madison Square Garden and spend all of its money

922
01:00:04,435 --> 01:00:06,355
Speaker 1: there the next season, and of course, the next season,

923
01:00:06,395 --> 01:00:10,995
Speaker 1: the NHL owners locked out the players. The next hockey

924
01:00:11,035 --> 01:00:14,435
Speaker 1: game after the Rangers hoisted the Stanley Cup was two

925
01:00:14,515 --> 01:00:16,995
Speaker 1: hundred and twenty one days later. They didn't play till

926
01:00:17,035 --> 01:00:20,035
Speaker 1: the following January, and by then the momentum was not

927
01:00:20,195 --> 01:00:25,075
Speaker 1: just dead, it was forgotten. If the NHL is really

928
01:00:25,115 --> 01:00:28,075
Speaker 1: interested in taking the unlikely success of the four Nations

929
01:00:28,075 --> 01:00:31,395
Speaker 1: Face Off and turning it into increased popularity and profits,

930
01:00:31,475 --> 01:00:35,515
Speaker 1: it would make it a an annual event b and

931
01:00:35,595 --> 01:00:38,395
Speaker 1: make it into the Two Nations Face Off, a best

932
01:00:38,715 --> 01:00:41,915
Speaker 1: four out of seven series scheduled over two weeks America

933
01:00:41,995 --> 01:00:49,275
Speaker 1: versus Canada period Finns, Swedes, Russians. Here here's a home

934
01:00:49,435 --> 01:00:52,795
Speaker 1: version of the two Nations Faceoff game you can play

935
01:00:53,035 --> 01:00:57,035
Speaker 1: in your basement if you insist that some of the

936
01:00:57,035 --> 01:01:03,075
Speaker 1: greatest players are not North American. Fine, you can have

937
01:01:03,235 --> 01:01:05,635
Speaker 1: the coaches and the captains of the American and the

938
01:01:05,635 --> 01:01:10,595
Speaker 1: Canadian teams draft two or three non North Americans as

939
01:01:10,795 --> 01:01:14,915
Speaker 1: honorary Americans or Canadians if you insist. If you have

940
01:01:14,995 --> 01:01:19,675
Speaker 1: to have Alex Ovechkin there, although I'd rather have them

941
01:01:19,675 --> 01:01:21,515
Speaker 1: on the Canadian team than the American team, I don't

942
01:01:21,515 --> 01:01:24,795
Speaker 1: want anything with that guy. They won't do this. The

943
01:01:24,835 --> 01:01:28,555
Speaker 1: Canadian teams would never accept this. They want this tournament.

944
01:01:28,595 --> 01:01:31,155
Speaker 1: They want this tournament. They want to beat the world,

945
01:01:31,875 --> 01:01:35,395
Speaker 1: especially US, but not just US. I mean America is

946
01:01:35,435 --> 01:01:40,235
Speaker 1: satisfied to beat the Canadian team. We don't need to

947
01:01:40,235 --> 01:01:43,635
Speaker 1: beat the Finns. Seven and eighths of our population doesn't

948
01:01:43,675 --> 01:01:47,635
Speaker 1: know what a Finland is. We're morons here. We dropped

949
01:01:47,635 --> 01:01:51,275
Speaker 1: out of school in the ninth grade. I'm not saying

950
01:01:51,315 --> 01:01:55,475
Speaker 1: the Canadians are wrong, the franchise is No, they're not wrong.

951
01:01:55,635 --> 01:01:59,115
Speaker 1: The commissioner and the Canadian influencers in the NHL, they're

952
01:01:59,155 --> 01:02:02,795
Speaker 1: not wrong. I'm just being bloodless and mercenary. I'm pretending

953
01:02:02,875 --> 01:02:07,955
Speaker 1: I'm a businessman. But there are thirty two franchises in

954
01:02:07,995 --> 01:02:09,795
Speaker 1: the National Hockey League and twenty five of them are

955
01:02:09,795 --> 01:02:14,475
Speaker 1: in the United States. That's seventy eight percent, or if

956
01:02:14,515 --> 01:02:22,275
Speaker 1: you prefer seventy eight percent or seventy eight percent Celsius Dateline,

957
01:02:22,395 --> 01:02:31,355
Speaker 1: Los Angeles or Brantford, Ontario or somewhere. There was one awful, terrible,

958
01:02:31,475 --> 01:02:35,995
Speaker 1: serious component to the Four Nations Cup, the public disintegration

959
01:02:36,115 --> 01:02:39,195
Speaker 1: of the man who is probably Canada's greatest living hero,

960
01:02:40,235 --> 01:02:45,675
Speaker 1: accelerated and may not be reversible. Now, Wayne Gretzky for

961
01:02:45,755 --> 01:02:47,995
Speaker 1: a nation still grieving from the day he was traded

962
01:02:48,035 --> 01:02:51,875
Speaker 1: away by Edmonton thirty six years ago last August. It

963
01:02:51,955 --> 01:02:55,795
Speaker 1: is almost impossible to believe, but Canada is now furious

964
01:02:55,835 --> 01:02:59,635
Speaker 1: at Wayne Gretzky. The Canadians had pretty much come to

965
01:02:59,755 --> 01:03:02,875
Speaker 1: terms with Gretzky's lurch to the right. His son in

966
01:03:02,955 --> 01:03:06,035
Speaker 1: law has been a Trumpist, his wife is in one. Okay,

967
01:03:06,475 --> 01:03:09,355
Speaker 1: he was still Wayne Gretzky. He wore a Maga hat,

968
01:03:09,835 --> 01:03:12,635
Speaker 1: but Wayne Gretzky, he was Wayne Gretzky. He took over

969
01:03:12,715 --> 01:03:14,795
Speaker 1: the role of Gordy Howe after Gordy Howe died, So

970
01:03:14,835 --> 01:03:18,035
Speaker 1: he's both Wayne Gretzky and Gordy How's ghost. So what

971
01:03:18,195 --> 01:03:21,515
Speaker 1: he went to Trump's election night, victory party and the inauguration.

972
01:03:21,595 --> 01:03:28,795
Speaker 1: It happens, white guys get old. But when Trump turned

973
01:03:28,835 --> 01:03:30,915
Speaker 1: on Canada and threatened it and threatened to invade, to

974
01:03:30,995 --> 01:03:32,875
Speaker 1: buy it, or turned it into the fifty first state

975
01:03:32,955 --> 01:03:37,635
Speaker 1: or pressure it, Gretzky said nothing. Then Trump said Gretzky

976
01:03:37,715 --> 01:03:41,315
Speaker 1: was his great friend, said Gretzky should run for Prime Minister.

977
01:03:41,715 --> 01:03:45,395
Speaker 1: Gretzky laughed. Then Trump said no, Let's make a governor

978
01:03:45,435 --> 01:03:53,875
Speaker 1: of Canada of our fifty first state, and Gretzky said nothing. Then,

979
01:03:54,155 --> 01:03:57,315
Speaker 1: when this tournament played out in the middle of Trump's threats,

980
01:03:57,755 --> 01:04:04,635
Speaker 1: Canada's standing up metaphorically symbolically for its national existence. Gretzky,

981
01:04:04,675 --> 01:04:08,075
Speaker 1: the honorary captain of Team Canada, not only did not

982
01:04:08,235 --> 01:04:11,795
Speaker 1: wear a Canadian jersey at any point, the honorary American

983
01:04:11,875 --> 01:04:15,195
Speaker 1: captain American jersey. But he didn't stick up for the

984
01:04:15,195 --> 01:04:18,315
Speaker 1: place that made him a hero, literally a companion of

985
01:04:18,315 --> 01:04:21,155
Speaker 1: the Order of Canada. He didn't even visit the Canadian

986
01:04:21,195 --> 01:04:25,355
Speaker 1: team before the game and before the game. Before the

987
01:04:25,395 --> 01:04:28,275
Speaker 1: title game against the US last Thursday, Gretzky was seen

988
01:04:28,595 --> 01:04:32,835
Speaker 1: recorded on camera giving a thumbs up to the American

989
01:04:32,995 --> 01:04:39,315
Speaker 1: team after the Canadians beat the American team. Gretzky stopped

990
01:04:39,355 --> 01:04:42,595
Speaker 1: by the locker room, as The Toronto Star wrote, after

991
01:04:42,635 --> 01:04:47,675
Speaker 1: the win, quote he handed the Canadian players' hats that

992
01:04:47,875 --> 01:04:54,155
Speaker 1: said be great. I hope somebody threw it at him

993
01:04:54,155 --> 01:04:57,115
Speaker 1: and said, we are great. You're the one who's no

994
01:04:57,195 --> 01:05:02,515
Speaker 1: longer great. Terry Jones, a sportswriter who covered Gretzky's entire

995
01:05:02,595 --> 01:05:04,835
Speaker 1: career with the Edmonton Oilers and covered the team for

996
01:05:04,835 --> 01:05:07,755
Speaker 1: fifty five years, has now written I authored books on

997
01:05:07,795 --> 01:05:10,515
Speaker 1: Wayne Gretzky. I covered him for a decade in Edmonton

998
01:05:10,555 --> 01:05:14,035
Speaker 1: in the WHA and NHL, and extensively after he departed.

999
01:05:14,275 --> 01:05:16,795
Speaker 1: I have viewed him as the greatest player in history

1000
01:05:16,955 --> 01:05:20,235
Speaker 1: and as a great Canadian. He needs to face the

1001
01:05:20,355 --> 01:05:29,315
Speaker 1: nation and explain his relationship with Donald Trump, and more

1002
01:05:29,355 --> 01:05:33,595
Speaker 1: than that. Perhaps there is a freeway in Edmonton, Alberta,

1003
01:05:33,675 --> 01:05:41,875
Speaker 1: Canada named for Wayne Gretzky, Named for Wayne Gretzky, and

1004
01:05:41,915 --> 01:05:44,275
Speaker 1: there is a group of locals there now trying to

1005
01:05:44,355 --> 01:05:51,235
Speaker 1: get his name removed from the freeway. Known Wayne Gretzky

1006
01:05:51,275 --> 01:05:53,435
Speaker 1: since nineteen eighty eight, I broke the story of him

1007
01:05:53,435 --> 01:05:59,635
Speaker 1: getting traded from Edmonton to Los Angeles. I always liked him.

1008
01:05:59,675 --> 01:06:02,755
Speaker 1: Not a big effusive guy, but stood up when accounted.

1009
01:06:03,315 --> 01:06:05,835
Speaker 1: Not anymore. Gotta make a choice here now, Gretz. It's

1010
01:06:05,875 --> 01:06:10,275
Speaker 1: your time do or die. It's Trump or your soul.

1011
01:06:11,395 --> 01:06:16,955
Speaker 1: You clearly cannot have both, and clearly you already do

1012
01:06:17,115 --> 01:06:41,995
Speaker 1: not have both. Before I wrap this up, boy, this

1013
01:06:42,035 --> 01:06:43,755
Speaker 1: has been a long edition. Believe it or not, there

1014
01:06:43,795 --> 01:06:46,115
Speaker 1: are still more new idiots to talk about. The daily

1015
01:06:46,155 --> 01:06:49,235
Speaker 1: roundup of the misigrants, morons and dunning Kruger effects specimens

1016
01:06:49,275 --> 01:06:53,155
Speaker 1: who constitute today's other worse persons in the world. As

1017
01:06:53,195 --> 01:06:56,995
Speaker 1: if there's anybody left. Here are the nominees. They are

1018
01:06:57,035 --> 01:07:00,475
Speaker 1: all elected officers, and two of them are Democrats. I

1019
01:07:00,555 --> 01:07:05,195
Speaker 1: guess bronze worst runner up. Senator Tom Tillis of North Carolina.

1020
01:07:05,675 --> 01:07:06,875
Speaker 3: Two tweets.

1021
01:07:08,155 --> 01:07:11,315
Speaker 1: From yesterday, President Trump has accomplished more in one month

1022
01:07:11,355 --> 01:07:16,235
Speaker 1: than Joe Biden did in four years. Well, if you

1023
01:07:16,355 --> 01:07:21,115
Speaker 1: knuke a country right, you can be said to have

1024
01:07:21,115 --> 01:07:24,155
Speaker 1: accomplished more in one second than all the other presidents combined.

1025
01:07:25,995 --> 01:07:29,915
Speaker 1: Also from Senator Tom Tillis, that's Tom with an H.

1026
01:07:30,555 --> 01:07:33,395
Speaker 1: Donald J. Trump is our President, Pam Bondy is our

1027
01:07:33,435 --> 01:07:36,875
Speaker 1: Attorney General. Cash Patel is our FBI director, It's a

1028
01:07:36,915 --> 01:07:41,955
Speaker 1: great time to be an American. If that's a point

1029
01:07:41,955 --> 01:07:44,235
Speaker 1: of view, it's a damn shame. Trump, Bondi and Patel

1030
01:07:44,275 --> 01:07:47,875
Speaker 1: aren't Americans anyway. What's so special about this? I mean,

1031
01:07:47,875 --> 01:07:51,875
Speaker 1: he's a Republican. Tom tell Us is not necessarily ever

1032
01:07:51,955 --> 01:07:54,675
Speaker 1: a never Trumper, but as late as twenty twenty three,

1033
01:07:54,675 --> 01:07:58,195
Speaker 1: he was censured by the North Carolina State Party, the

1034
01:07:58,235 --> 01:08:02,635
Speaker 1: GOP in his home state for not being maga enough Jesus,

1035
01:08:02,875 --> 01:08:06,195
Speaker 1: So what is this rancid toadying? It's a great time

1036
01:08:06,195 --> 01:08:09,915
Speaker 1: to be an American. Pam Bondi is Pam Bondy put

1037
01:08:09,955 --> 01:08:14,435
Speaker 1: Dwight Gooden in jail and as a good stylist. Those

1038
01:08:14,475 --> 01:08:18,035
Speaker 1: are her life accomplishments. So what's all the rancid todying

1039
01:08:18,035 --> 01:08:20,115
Speaker 1: about from Senator tell Us? With guess who's up for

1040
01:08:20,155 --> 01:08:24,035
Speaker 1: election next year and maybe a primary? The technical term

1041
01:08:24,115 --> 01:08:29,675
Speaker 1: for what Tillis is is gutlass scumback the runner up worser,

1042
01:08:29,715 --> 01:08:33,435
Speaker 1: Governor Jared Poulis of Colorado, nominally a Democrat, He went

1043
01:08:33,475 --> 01:08:40,795
Speaker 1: on Morning Collaborators MSNV. She alongside Kevin Skitt, the fascist

1044
01:08:40,835 --> 01:08:44,515
Speaker 1: governor of Oklahoma, who looks even more fascist now that

1045
01:08:44,595 --> 01:08:47,715
Speaker 1: he's grown a beard, because he's trying to look like Lincoln.

1046
01:08:49,435 --> 01:08:51,555
Speaker 1: Trying to look like Lincoln. You know what he's accomplished

1047
01:08:51,715 --> 01:08:54,155
Speaker 1: looking like Lincoln. He also looks like he was born

1048
01:08:54,195 --> 01:08:58,715
Speaker 1: in eighteen oh seven. Governor Polis saying he agrees with

1049
01:08:58,835 --> 01:09:02,915
Speaker 1: Trump about saving money and about how flawed FEMA is

1050
01:09:02,955 --> 01:09:05,275
Speaker 1: not the wrecking ball part. But I want to commend

1051
01:09:05,315 --> 01:09:07,795
Speaker 1: Trump and I want to command like f you. Governor.

1052
01:09:08,235 --> 01:09:12,035
Speaker 1: First off, you're on Morning Joe. Grandpa Joe is off

1053
01:09:12,075 --> 01:09:15,235
Speaker 1: that day. Grandma Joe was there though, And you're sitting

1054
01:09:15,235 --> 01:09:19,115
Speaker 1: next to Kevin Stitt. First off, his name is Stitt.

1055
01:09:20,435 --> 01:09:23,195
Speaker 1: He's the governor of Oklahoma, where they are trying to

1056
01:09:23,195 --> 01:09:27,235
Speaker 1: put the Bible in the classroom in lou of all

1057
01:09:27,275 --> 01:09:31,515
Speaker 1: the textbooks. And you're sitting next to this guy and

1058
01:09:31,555 --> 01:09:36,555
Speaker 1: he's selling Musk talking points as if these were the

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01:09:36,595 --> 01:09:41,955
Speaker 1: opinions of human beings. And he's the one Jared Polis

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Speaker 1: who saw great promise in Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Junior,

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Speaker 1: F you Pal, get the f out of my country,

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Speaker 1: you collaboratist Vshi, son of a bitch and stupid son

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Speaker 1: of a bitch. Resign. But the winner of the worst,

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Speaker 1: Governor Phil Murphy of New Jersey. I want to thank

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Speaker 1: President Trump and Secretary Duffy. I mean, that's enough, right,

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Speaker 1: you don't need need to even hear the rest of this.

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Speaker 1: I want to thank President Trump and Secretary Don't you

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Speaker 1: do that and get the hell out of the Democratic Party, asshole.

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Speaker 1: I want to thank President Trump and Secretary Duffy rites

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Speaker 1: with Governor Murphy for their efforts to halt the current

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Speaker 1: congestion pricing program. While I have consistently expressed openness to

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Speaker 1: a form of congestion pricing, this is the tax that

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Speaker 1: is being charged, as it has been done in countless

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Speaker 1: cities around the world, on people who don't live in

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Speaker 1: a state and yet come in and commute into the

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Speaker 1: city that's already too congested and choking on its own

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Speaker 1: pollution and needs money for transportation, that is being threatened

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Speaker 1: by President Trump and Secretary Duffy. This is the New

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Speaker 1: York City means of coping with that. And Governor Murphy

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Speaker 1: is spitting all over and I don't mean spitting. While

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Speaker 1: I've consistently expressed openness to a form of congestion pricing,

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Speaker 1: the current program lines the end pockets at the expense

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Speaker 1: of New Jersey's You know who runs on the MTA.

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Speaker 1: You know what sort of trains, what people run or

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Speaker 1: ride on the MTA. People from New Jersey do, and

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Speaker 1: people from Connecticut and people from New York. It is

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Speaker 1: the greatest mass transportation system in the world. It is

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Speaker 1: the only thing that makes the City of New York functional.

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Speaker 1: And it's underfunded. And it also costs nothing. It costs

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Speaker 1: less than three dollars, and you can go in one

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Speaker 1: day and come out like six weeks later for three dollars.

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Speaker 1: Governor Murphy, get out out, Get the f out. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I suppose you think the City of New York should

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Speaker 1: pay for your Jersey residents train fares into the city too.

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Speaker 1: We have a lot of nerve charging you for congesting

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Speaker 1: our streets that you don't do anything to improve, or

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Speaker 1: giving you some place to go when otherwise you and

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Speaker 1: your people would have to spend your entire lives in

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Speaker 1: New Jersey. I used to commute to this city from

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Speaker 1: Westchester County. It was a privilege. I got to live

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Speaker 1: in a spacious, open area with trees, and for a

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Speaker 1: nominal cost, I used to get the train in here

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Speaker 1: or a car, pay the tolls come on in. I

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Speaker 1: used to commute from the city to New Jersey and

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01:12:25,835 --> 01:12:28,475
Speaker 1: there was never any traffic going to New Jersey. Know why,

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Speaker 1: because who in the hell wanted to leave New York

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Speaker 1: City to go to freaking Jersey on purpose? Unless you've

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Speaker 1: been served at subpoena, why are you going to New Jersey? Seriously?

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Speaker 1: Congestion pricing has made New York City livable again. Traffic

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Speaker 1: now flows. You can go across town, you can go up,

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01:12:46,795 --> 01:12:48,355
Speaker 1: you can go down, you can go east, you can

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Speaker 1: go west. There are fewer bridge and tunnels vomiting outside

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Speaker 1: clubs at two o'clock in the morning. We're funding improvements

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Speaker 1: and safety measures for the subway. And I'm sure business

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Speaker 1: has picked up in places like Secaucus, New Jersey, the

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Speaker 1: only city in America that is entirely devoted to factory

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Speaker 1: outlet stores, Burbury factory outlet store, London Fog factory outlet,

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Speaker 1: Major League Baseball factory outlet, etc. Governor, Phil governor, shut

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Speaker 1: up or resign.

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Speaker 3: I don't care.

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Speaker 1: There's one thing about governors of New Jersey we learned

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Speaker 1: from Chris Christy and all who preceded him. There's always

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Speaker 1: another governor of Jersey waiting to happen. Murphy two Day's

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Speaker 1: other worst person, and I've done all the damage I

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Speaker 1: can do here. Thank you for listening, and goodbye to

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Speaker 1: all of you who are from New Jersey. I'm sorry,

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Speaker 1: you know it's true. I understand. Just say you don't

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Speaker 1: want to pay the money. I'd have greater respect if

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Speaker 1: you just said, we don't want to pay this money.

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Speaker 1: It costs too much. A congressman named Gottheimer said, oh,

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Speaker 1: there's environmental concerns. Bullshit, you don't want to pay the money.

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Speaker 1: Just say it. Since why has anybody from Jersey been

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Speaker 1: reluctant to say I don't want to pay sixteen dollars?

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Speaker 1: I mean, you're from Jersey, you don't want to pay

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Speaker 1: sixteen cents?

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Speaker 3: I get it. It's fine.

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't want to pay sixteen dollars to go to

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Speaker 1: Jersey either, although it be a hell of an excuse

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Speaker 1: not to go there. Okay, I've done enough damage here

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Speaker 1: to myself. Thank you for listening. Ryan Ray and John

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01:14:50,395 --> 01:14:53,435
Speaker 1: Phillip Shanelle musical directors have Countdown Range, produced and performed

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Speaker 1: most of the music. Mister Chanelle on orchestration and keyboards,

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Speaker 1: mister Ray on guitars, bass and drums, and it was

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Speaker 1: all produced by Tko Brothers. Our satirical and pithy musical

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Speaker 1: comments are by the best baseball stadium organist ever, Nancy Faust,

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Speaker 1: who is not from New Jersey. The sports music is

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Speaker 1: the Olber theme from ESPN two, which has never been

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Speaker 1: located in New Jersey, written by Mitch Warren Davis courtesy

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Speaker 1: of ESPN Inc. Other music arranged and performed by the

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Speaker 1: group No Horns Allowed. My announcer today, wash, Oh, here's

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Speaker 1: I'm in trouble now. My announcer today is my friend

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Speaker 1: Stevie van Zandt, who has portrayed someone from New Jersey.

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Speaker 1: What everything else was as ever my fault. That's countdown

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Speaker 1: for today, Just four and twenty seven days until the

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Speaker 1: scheduled end of the lame duck, lame brain term of

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Speaker 1: Donald t Rump, unless Musk removes him sooner or the

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Speaker 1: actuarial tables do. The next scheduled countdown is Thursday. As always, bulletins,

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Speaker 1: as the news warrants, remember impeach trumpe It will not

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Speaker 1: work now, it will win the Democrats the midterms if

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Speaker 1: we have midterms, if we ever have an election again.

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Speaker 3: Maybe in congestion. Pray saying is any it's.

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Speaker 1: Lining the brockets. You don't want to spend the sixteen dollars,

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Speaker 1: Just say it. Until next time. I'm Keith Alderman. Good morning,

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Speaker 1: good afternoon, good night, and good effing luck. Countdown with

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Speaker 1: Keith Olberman is a production of iHeartRadio. For more podcasts

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