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Speaker 1: come on, There's so many things the museum. The museum

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Speaker 2: Thank you for having me.

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Speaker 1: I'm so happy you're here, Thank you for coming. Who

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Speaker 1: I don't want no damn siblings. That's fun.

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Speaker 2: And Hollywood's going through a hard moment right now. It

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Speaker 2: And I strangely lived in LA for ten years without

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Speaker 1: Okay, got it? Oh my goodness, Billy, that stresses me.

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Speaker 2: Also, I'm not the only one I remember early on.

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Speaker 2: Maybe maybe she now has a driver's license. Leana Dunham

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Speaker 2: Wow, Nathan Lane does not have a driver's license out Okay, exactly, yeah, exactly. Yeah.

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00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:19,680
Speaker 2: It's good enough for Nathan Lane. It's good enough for me. Yeah, yeah,

436
00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:21,160
Speaker 2: I made it through somehow.

437
00:20:21,240 --> 00:20:23,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then you came home and you're like, and

438
00:20:23,240 --> 00:20:24,120
Speaker 1: you don't need to go back.

439
00:20:24,320 --> 00:20:26,840
Speaker 2: So I'll go back to LA once in a while,

440
00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:28,960
Speaker 2: but New York is the place for me.

441
00:20:29,280 --> 00:20:31,360
Speaker 1: Yeah. What are what would you say as your most

442
00:20:31,359 --> 00:20:32,280
Speaker 1: New York quality?

443
00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:37,040
Speaker 2: Wow? I think so much of who I am and

444
00:20:37,080 --> 00:20:39,359
Speaker 2: so much of my work is informed by having grown

445
00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:44,560
Speaker 2: up here. My most New York quality I'm pretty fearless,

446
00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:47,320
Speaker 2: except I guess when it comes to driving.

447
00:20:49,920 --> 00:20:50,920
Speaker 1: The wheel of a car.

448
00:20:51,119 --> 00:20:53,880
Speaker 2: Here's the thing. There are basic things that everyone can

449
00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:57,320
Speaker 2: do that I'm scared to do. Drive a car, go

450
00:20:57,400 --> 00:21:01,679
Speaker 2: on ice skates, light a match. I don't like five Oh, Billy, you.

451
00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:03,240
Speaker 1: Would be devastated to know I used to like to

452
00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:05,120
Speaker 1: play with matches as a child and lit my front

453
00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:06,520
Speaker 1: yard on fire by accident.

454
00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:08,479
Speaker 2: Now you see, I'm right, you are right.

455
00:21:08,520 --> 00:21:10,840
Speaker 1: But it all worked out. I know, I lit my

456
00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:12,520
Speaker 1: front yard on fire, and then I got on SNL

457
00:21:12,520 --> 00:21:13,520
Speaker 1: and now I have a podcast.

458
00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:16,080
Speaker 2: So what you just keep going on?

459
00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:17,400
Speaker 1: Yeah?

460
00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:20,359
Speaker 2: Wait, what happened with the what do you mean the bat.

461
00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:24,120
Speaker 1: From front lawn? I was playing with matches too young

462
00:21:24,119 --> 00:21:27,639
Speaker 1: of an age, wind blue and and then I got

463
00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:30,399
Speaker 1: nervous and dropped the matches. But I've told destroy them.

464
00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:32,119
Speaker 1: I would hate to bore people destroy but it was

465
00:21:32,280 --> 00:21:34,479
Speaker 1: it's like and then I dropped the match, and then

466
00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:37,480
Speaker 1: the front yard was on fire. Department ultimately came and everything.

467
00:21:37,320 --> 00:21:40,720
Speaker 2: Was, everything was okay. That scares me, Like I can

468
00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:43,280
Speaker 2: run up to a stranger and shout at them on

469
00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:45,880
Speaker 2: the street, and which I've been doing for years. There

470
00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:48,040
Speaker 2: are certain things that would scare a lot of people

471
00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:52,440
Speaker 2: which I have the wherewithal to do. Right, I can

472
00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:54,840
Speaker 2: like steal myself and do it and there are basic

473
00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:56,800
Speaker 2: things that I'm terrified of that I cannot do.

474
00:21:56,960 --> 00:22:00,120
Speaker 1: Okay, so we have the driving, we have the fire.

475
00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:03,119
Speaker 1: What else matches, I should say.

476
00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:06,160
Speaker 2: Ice, skates, roller blades, Like when that was the thing,

477
00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:08,200
Speaker 2: I was like, oh God, no, I can't ride a bike.

478
00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:09,840
Speaker 1: You can't ride a bike.

479
00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:11,560
Speaker 2: I had a bike with training wheels as a kid

480
00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:13,440
Speaker 2: in Queen's which I love the training wheels. When the

481
00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:16,679
Speaker 2: training wheels came off, I was like, oh, I didn't

482
00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:18,760
Speaker 2: like that, and I got scared. I just I don't

483
00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:20,919
Speaker 2: like being on wheels or blades.

484
00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:22,120
Speaker 1: You don't like wheels or blades.

485
00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:24,160
Speaker 2: You just don't like being in a car.

486
00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:27,400
Speaker 1: You don't like the like unilateral aspect of a I.

487
00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:31,400
Speaker 2: Don't trust myself with balance, oh something about I don't

488
00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:34,119
Speaker 2: know hand eye coordination. Well, when it comes to driving

489
00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:36,560
Speaker 2: a car, I think my mind is gonna wander. I

490
00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:39,040
Speaker 2: know it is. Wow, Because I didn't grow up having

491
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Speaker 2: to drive, because I was in the city. I took

492
00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:44,640
Speaker 2: the subway to high school every day. I just never

493
00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:48,119
Speaker 2: needed to. And then by the time I was older

494
00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:51,040
Speaker 2: and thought, oh maybe I should drive a car, I

495
00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:53,840
Speaker 2: was in a place where I thought my mind wanders

496
00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:57,160
Speaker 2: so much, and I'm used to that being fine. Yeah, right,

497
00:22:57,160 --> 00:22:59,159
Speaker 2: because on the subway your mind can wander. When you're

498
00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:01,120
Speaker 2: walking for the most part, you know, you can listen

499
00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:03,359
Speaker 2: to music, your mind can wander. And I was worried

500
00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:06,159
Speaker 2: about my mind wandering and you know, hurting myself and

501
00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:08,720
Speaker 2: hurting other people on the road. It's just one of

502
00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:12,159
Speaker 2: those things. I inherently know the world is better off

503
00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:14,399
Speaker 2: without me behind the wheel. I know, I know it

504
00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:15,520
Speaker 2: is fair enough.

505
00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:17,679
Speaker 1: And let me tell you, Pepe, I do drive, and

506
00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:19,639
Speaker 1: people's minds do, in fact wander.

507
00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:22,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's yeah, I mean.

508
00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:22,640
Speaker 1: But we're out here.

509
00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:23,720
Speaker 2: Do you like driving?

510
00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:26,399
Speaker 1: I love driving. Always say that I used to not

511
00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:28,240
Speaker 1: like driving. I love driving.

512
00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:29,200
Speaker 2: I grew up again.

513
00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:31,199
Speaker 1: I grew up in Baltimore, and then I went to

514
00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:34,280
Speaker 1: college in LA and traffic was Yes. In my first

515
00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:36,040
Speaker 1: two years, I didn't drive, and I liked letting other

516
00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:39,360
Speaker 1: people drive. And then I started driving, even being in traffic,

517
00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:43,119
Speaker 1: and this is crazy. I lived on the west side,

518
00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:46,439
Speaker 1: would perform at UCB East Side, oftentimes in the evening,

519
00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:49,639
Speaker 1: so that meant really bad traffic in LA. This is boring.

520
00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:53,880
Speaker 1: The traffic is worse going west to east because lots

521
00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:55,520
Speaker 1: of people work on the west Side. I lived on

522
00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:57,880
Speaker 1: the west Side, and I'd be heading east during rush hour,

523
00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:00,520
Speaker 1: the worst time to be going in that direction, and

524
00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:02,880
Speaker 1: I missed my commute. Once I got rid of my commute,

525
00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:06,160
Speaker 1: I was like, I miss being in traffic.

526
00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:07,919
Speaker 2: Is because it was just like alone time.

527
00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:10,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was like, I'm catching up on phone calls

528
00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:13,480
Speaker 1: hands free of course, right, and I'm like listening to music.

529
00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:15,000
Speaker 1: I could hear an album all the way through.

530
00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:18,000
Speaker 2: The music part sounds fun to me about driving, Yeah, yeah,

531
00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:19,919
Speaker 2: I don't. But you know, I walk around now and

532
00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:21,440
Speaker 2: listen to my music. Fair enough?

533
00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:22,399
Speaker 1: Will you go in a weaimo?

534
00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:26,320
Speaker 2: I'm terrified of a weaimo. My friend just texted me

535
00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:29,800
Speaker 2: for Mother's Day. She heard what she wanted from Mother's Day.

536
00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:32,000
Speaker 2: She's in San Francisco, was for her kids and her

537
00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:35,639
Speaker 2: husband to take her in AWAYMO. This is what she wanted.

538
00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:40,639
Speaker 2: I'm you're a mother of two. But she she was

539
00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:44,200
Speaker 2: very excited about it. She said she they loved it.

540
00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:46,680
Speaker 2: But now, I when I'm in LA and I look

541
00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:48,440
Speaker 2: over and I'm in an uber and I look over

542
00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:52,720
Speaker 2: and there's a driverless car. That shit still freaks me out.

543
00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:55,200
Speaker 2: I'm not there yet. Emotionally, I'm not If.

544
00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:57,480
Speaker 1: You're not ready to have your driver's license, I can't

545
00:24:57,520 --> 00:24:59,800
Speaker 1: imagine for the reasons you're not.

546
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:01,199
Speaker 2: I don't want to be behind the wheel, but I

547
00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:03,080
Speaker 2: want someone to be behind the wheel.

548
00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:05,320
Speaker 1: But it needs to be there. It is jarring, but

549
00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:07,600
Speaker 1: you look over I've been in Awaimo. I do kind

550
00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:11,040
Speaker 1: of love it because you don't have the whole negotiation.

551
00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:14,520
Speaker 1: Sometimes you're feeling incredibly introverted because I go back and forth,

552
00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:17,240
Speaker 1: but you're feeling incredibly introverted. You get in a car,

553
00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:19,640
Speaker 1: there's no one there. There's not the negotiation of are

554
00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:23,080
Speaker 1: we talking? How much shocking I get? Yet it can

555
00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:26,879
Speaker 1: be terrifying. It is jarring, and there's so many more

556
00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:29,479
Speaker 1: waymos in LA in the last year than when I

557
00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:31,120
Speaker 1: went truly a year ago.

558
00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:34,800
Speaker 2: I was like, oh there, yeah, over now, yeah, I

559
00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:36,919
Speaker 2: wonder if it could work in New York? Is it?

560
00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:39,239
Speaker 1: I don't think that it's in New York? And I

561
00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:42,800
Speaker 1: have had that curiosity myself, like would this work.

562
00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:45,480
Speaker 2: Here with the bikers and messengers?

563
00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:48,320
Speaker 1: Right, Billy, what would it take you to get in Aweymo?

564
00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:50,000
Speaker 1: What would it take for you to get in away?

565
00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:53,359
Speaker 2: Moo? Look, I'm open to trying it. Okay, what would

566
00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:56,440
Speaker 2: What I can see happening is me learning to drive

567
00:25:57,000 --> 00:26:01,359
Speaker 2: for the idea of me, like on the freeway and god,

568
00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:02,320
Speaker 2: that's terrifying.

569
00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:05,639
Speaker 1: Wow, But you don't feel uncomfortable having your safety in

570
00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:06,679
Speaker 1: someone else's hands.

571
00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:09,320
Speaker 2: I have no choice. Okay, sometimes I do, like when

572
00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:12,200
Speaker 2: you have a no uber driver who's clearly not great. Yeah,

573
00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:14,240
Speaker 2: but I just sit there like, oh god, oh God.

574
00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:18,440
Speaker 2: But most of the time they're okay, Look, they're better

575
00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:18,960
Speaker 2: than I would be.

576
00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:19,400
Speaker 1: Sure.

577
00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:21,920
Speaker 2: What am I gonna not go in a car? Ever?

578
00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:24,680
Speaker 1: You know, did your dad drive, mom drive?

579
00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:26,880
Speaker 2: My dad drove and my mom didn't drive, so maybe

580
00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:28,120
Speaker 2: that has something to do with it.

581
00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:30,600
Speaker 1: Okay, it's like you're half non driver.

582
00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:34,239
Speaker 2: Yeah exactly. They made me confident about everything, but not

583
00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:36,080
Speaker 2: driving basically.

584
00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:39,560
Speaker 1: But also you said your coordination is off, which surprises

585
00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:41,159
Speaker 1: me giving you love the theater, Like, did you ever

586
00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:42,160
Speaker 1: take dance classes?

587
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:45,159
Speaker 2: I did. I was forced to take dance classes as

588
00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:47,720
Speaker 2: a musical theater student in college, but that was never

589
00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:51,119
Speaker 2: my strong suit. I'm a good singer, you know, I

590
00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:55,240
Speaker 2: was funny, I could act, but dancing was not. If

591
00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:58,159
Speaker 2: a role required a lot of real dancing, I'm not

592
00:26:58,200 --> 00:26:58,720
Speaker 2: getting it.

593
00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:01,040
Speaker 1: Okay. There was there a genre though, that you were

594
00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:03,240
Speaker 1: better at than others of the dancing.

595
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:06,879
Speaker 2: I remember I took modern dance. You can kind of

596
00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:11,520
Speaker 2: bullshit your way through that. I'm not saying I'm don

597
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:13,480
Speaker 2: Timothy shallow Am comfort.

598
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:15,800
Speaker 1: I love modern dance, beautiful.

599
00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:18,040
Speaker 2: I love modern and I do love it. I love

600
00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:22,320
Speaker 2: watching dance actually, and I've seen like Justin Peck's shows

601
00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:24,800
Speaker 2: in New York, and I have major respect for dancers

602
00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:27,119
Speaker 2: because I can't do it. They're so hot to me,

603
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:32,520
Speaker 2: they have the most beautiful bodies. But I was just

604
00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:35,800
Speaker 2: never great at that. You know, tap looks fun. Tap,

605
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:40,240
Speaker 2: It sounds like tap. You're not like flying across the room,

606
00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:46,120
Speaker 2: doesn't require that same type of like ballet like grace exactly.

607
00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:47,240
Speaker 2: I don't know what I'm talking like.

608
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:48,159
Speaker 1: I don't want to get canceled.

609
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:49,920
Speaker 2: I don't get cancel but but it feels a little

610
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:51,879
Speaker 2: more like you can stand in one place and just like,

611
00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:54,480
Speaker 2: you know, that looks fun to me and maybe a

612
00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:55,560
Speaker 2: little more manageable.

613
00:27:55,640 --> 00:28:00,760
Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, I mean I I think that's fair. I

614
00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:04,440
Speaker 1: did some tap dap dancing classes when I was younger,

615
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:08,000
Speaker 1: and I'm like there's something very there's something very fun,

616
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:09,240
Speaker 1: very feel fun.

617
00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:12,200
Speaker 2: It feels very and you're like stomping out aggression.

618
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:22,560
Speaker 1: Do you have any guilty pleasures?

619
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:25,800
Speaker 2: You know? I try not to feel guilty about the

620
00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:28,639
Speaker 2: things that I like to watch. I'm sure I do

621
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:31,560
Speaker 2: like certain things that other people would say are guilty pleasures,

622
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:33,439
Speaker 2: but I'm like, why should I feel guilty about it?

623
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:36,400
Speaker 2: I like that answer, what are you guilty pleasures?

624
00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:39,240
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't feel guilty a damn thing.

625
00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:44,120
Speaker 2: Somebody will tell me. Oftentimes, the things, especially culturally, that

626
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:46,600
Speaker 2: are guilty pleasures are things that women and gay.

627
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:48,800
Speaker 1: Men like, Oh yeah, you know, yeah.

628
00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:51,640
Speaker 2: It's always Oh that's a guilty pleasure, you know, And

629
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:52,720
Speaker 2: I don't like that.

630
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:54,400
Speaker 1: That's fair. Do you watch reality TV?

631
00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:57,880
Speaker 2: I'm not a big reality TV person. I don't. I'm

632
00:28:57,880 --> 00:28:59,920
Speaker 2: not a person who thinks that ruined the world or anything.

633
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:06,080
Speaker 2: It's just not for me. I watched the only now

634
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:08,480
Speaker 2: what I did like, I don't know. I liked reality

635
00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:11,360
Speaker 2: competition when that first started, like the early seasons of

636
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:14,840
Speaker 2: American Idol and Project Runway. I love as a teenager

637
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:19,360
Speaker 2: those early seasons of the Real World on MTV. Still, yeah,

638
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:22,760
Speaker 2: I was so good. Some of the old Real World

639
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:24,880
Speaker 2: folks like we follow each other on Instagram and I'm

640
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:29,040
Speaker 2: so starstruck. Judd and Pam, Yeah from San Francisco. Real World.

641
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:33,240
Speaker 1: I mean I think my Gayana was on well, someone

642
00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:36,680
Speaker 1: who was my gynecologist was on Real World. I know,

643
00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:39,760
Speaker 1: can you imagine her looking at my vagina? And I'm like, so,

644
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:41,440
Speaker 1: tell me, what was it like living in the house

645
00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:43,720
Speaker 1: six other strangers.

646
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:48,200
Speaker 2: I love that. As an adult, I don't watch a

647
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:51,280
Speaker 2: lot of it except sort of a sad but maybe

648
00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:55,160
Speaker 2: interesting story. The only full season of Real Housewives I've

649
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:57,480
Speaker 2: ever watched, and really some of the only Real Housewives

650
00:29:57,520 --> 00:29:59,720
Speaker 2: episodes I've ever watched, and I watched the whole season.

651
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:04,720
Speaker 2: The first season of Beverly Hills coincided with the three

652
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:09,320
Speaker 2: months my dad was dying in the hospital, and it

653
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:12,720
Speaker 2: was all that I could wrap my head around was

654
00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:16,920
Speaker 2: the Real Housewives. I couldn't handle anything else because life

655
00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:22,000
Speaker 2: was like so stressful and scary and sad. And I

656
00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:24,440
Speaker 2: watched that whole season, Like the new episodes would come

657
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:26,480
Speaker 2: on Wednesday nights and I would really look I would

658
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:28,760
Speaker 2: all day. I'd be like, I just I just cannot

659
00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:30,800
Speaker 2: wait for the Real Housewives at Purplely Hills because I

660
00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:32,280
Speaker 2: was going to the hospital every day and you know,

661
00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:37,320
Speaker 2: taking care of my dad. And then strangely, you know, sadly,

662
00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:40,440
Speaker 2: my dad died, like right as they aired the season finale.

663
00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:44,360
Speaker 2: I watched it six months later, like or whenever. It

664
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:46,440
Speaker 2: was like a year later, and the new season comes

665
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:50,360
Speaker 2: out and I didn't need it anymore, and I thought, nope,

666
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:54,000
Speaker 2: I'm not. I needed it during that very difficult time,

667
00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:56,160
Speaker 2: and now I don't have any reason to watch it.

668
00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:58,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm done with it. It served its purpose.

669
00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:00,320
Speaker 2: It served its purpose, but I was grateful for in

670
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:02,760
Speaker 2: the moment, and it also made me see maybe why

671
00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:05,840
Speaker 2: people watch those shows. I don't know. People have a

672
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:09,040
Speaker 2: lot of anxiety and they need an escape, something that

673
00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:10,200
Speaker 2: doesn't feel too heavy.

674
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:12,640
Speaker 1: What are you watch that makes you not now now

675
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:16,800
Speaker 1: that you've left The Real Housewives of Beverly Hills behind season.

676
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:18,960
Speaker 2: One a long time, yeah, eleven?

677
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:21,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, what do you watch now when you're like I

678
00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:22,200
Speaker 1: want to escape?

679
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:25,920
Speaker 2: Oh, I watch a lot of things. I've been watching

680
00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:29,320
Speaker 2: The Comeback, the last season of The Comeback Genius. Yeah,

681
00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:32,200
Speaker 2: my favorite show of all time. I don't know if

682
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:36,400
Speaker 2: that's an escape. Yeah, but it's very very and very

683
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:41,560
Speaker 2: Hollywood century. This season especially, I thought really caught kind

684
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:45,560
Speaker 2: of this strange, somewhat bleak time in Hollywood. I thought

685
00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:48,360
Speaker 2: it really captured that mood. I don't know if that's

686
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:50,040
Speaker 2: what they were going for, but it kind of with

687
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:52,480
Speaker 2: the AI of it all like that felt. I really

688
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:56,760
Speaker 2: could feel that. What do I watch as an escape?

689
00:31:57,240 --> 00:32:00,719
Speaker 2: I love a music documentary because I'm not in music,

690
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:04,600
Speaker 2: so it allows me to like watch a story about entertainment,

691
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:07,520
Speaker 2: but that I don't feel like triggered by. I just

692
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:10,760
Speaker 2: watch now if you want hip and cool. I just

693
00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:14,120
Speaker 2: watched the count and Crows documentary. Okay, do you even

694
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:16,360
Speaker 2: know who that those? That band is, I'm too young.

695
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:19,440
Speaker 1: I do know the Counting Crows.

696
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:21,480
Speaker 2: They're a big band in the nineties when I was

697
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:24,080
Speaker 2: in college. I just watched the count and Crows documentary.

698
00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:28,760
Speaker 2: I love a music documentary. I what else do I watch?

699
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:31,640
Speaker 2: All kinds of things? You know, what's a comfort watch

700
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:33,440
Speaker 2: for me? And I talked about this in my book

701
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:34,560
Speaker 2: Gilmore Girls.

702
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:37,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember Gilmore. That's right.

703
00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:39,920
Speaker 2: I didn't watch it the first time around. I was

704
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:41,600
Speaker 2: like in my early twenties, I was going out all

705
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:43,720
Speaker 2: the time, I didn't need Gilmore Girls now as a

706
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 2: forty seven year old man. I'm a Gilmore middle aged man,

707
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:49,280
Speaker 2: is what I am. You know, once in a while,

708
00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:52,520
Speaker 2: like I'll get under the covers and watch the Gilmore Girls,

709
00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:54,880
Speaker 2: and I'm not gonna feel ashamed about Time House.

710
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:56,160
Speaker 1: How many seasons deep are?

711
00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:59,280
Speaker 2: They have so many seasons. That's what I under Gilmore Girls.

712
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:01,640
Speaker 2: I was that's like old school TV where they made

713
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:05,520
Speaker 2: like twenty six episodes, hour long episodes. Yeah, and it's

714
00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:08,160
Speaker 2: like eight, ten, twelve seasons and they brought it back.

715
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:12,040
Speaker 2: I'm not done. Yeah, nowhere, we're done. Oh, Carol's only

716
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:15,800
Speaker 2: going to Yale or wherever she's going. Rory Gilmore anyway.

717
00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:18,960
Speaker 2: But I love it. It's very it's a comfort watch.

718
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:20,800
Speaker 1: Oh that's good to know. I might have to pick

719
00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:21,160
Speaker 1: it up.

720
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:23,920
Speaker 2: It was time for you to discover gil I'm going to.

721
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:26,320
Speaker 1: Discover Gilmore Girls because I remember it being on TV

722
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:29,800
Speaker 1: when I was like in elementary or middle school or something.

723
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:33,280
Speaker 1: But I think I was like I was watching Seventh Heaven.

724
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:35,280
Speaker 2: Oh, I was the same.

725
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:38,200
Speaker 1: It was in the same vibe. It was Dawson's Creek

726
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:39,680
Speaker 1: around the same time as well.

727
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:43,520
Speaker 2: Yes, I think so Gilmore Girls is like two thousand debuts.

728
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:45,200
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, good to know.

729
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:47,680
Speaker 2: I'm going to get it into Laurren Graham. You know

730
00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:49,600
Speaker 2: she's I really I really enjoy her.

731
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:51,560
Speaker 1: I do too. Did you watch her in Parenthood?

732
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:56,400
Speaker 2: I loved that show. That is such an underrated show

733
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:59,320
Speaker 2: love and I've told Lauren Graham as much. Yeah, I'll

734
00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:02,920
Speaker 2: have you know Parenthood. If you haven't seen, you know

735
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:05,680
Speaker 2: that's that'd be a good rewatch. Yeah. I love that show.

736
00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:07,760
Speaker 1: It's a beautiful time of time. Do you do the

737
00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:08,839
Speaker 1: movies a lot as well?

738
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:12,120
Speaker 2: Do you go to Yes, movies were a huge part

739
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:14,000
Speaker 2: of my childhood. I would go to the movies with

740
00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:17,480
Speaker 2: my parents every Saturday night, literally religiously. It's like what

741
00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:20,319
Speaker 2: bonded us as a family. Even if there was nothing

742
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:22,680
Speaker 2: we wanted to see, we would just pick something and go.

743
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:25,120
Speaker 2: I don't go to the movies as much anymore. I

744
00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:27,719
Speaker 2: don't think anyone does. Yeah, yeah, but but I love

745
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:31,960
Speaker 2: I still love the movies, but I find myself watching

746
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:35,200
Speaker 2: random movies, Like I'll watch something will pop in my

747
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:36,960
Speaker 2: head and I'll say, oh, I want to watch that,

748
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:40,040
Speaker 2: and it's nothing anyone else is watching currently. But you

749
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:41,520
Speaker 2: can watch any movie at any time.

750
00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:45,200
Speaker 1: So I just think, yeah, that is a thing. Do

751
00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:48,640
Speaker 1: you have a bunch of the streaming subscriptions or are

752
00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:49,560
Speaker 1: you like everything?

753
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:52,520
Speaker 2: You have everything? I don't use everything, but I have it.

754
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:54,879
Speaker 1: Isn't that messed up? Because I also have things where

755
00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:57,120
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, I need to get Paramount plus to

756
00:34:57,120 --> 00:35:00,279
Speaker 1: watch this show, and then I'll discover I already have paramou.

757
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:03,400
Speaker 2: Totally and I never remember the password if I need it.

758
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:09,120
Speaker 2: But I have everything. It's strange, like things were supposed

759
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:11,080
Speaker 2: to be simplified, I don't know.

760
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:13,839
Speaker 1: And then somehow got complicated. How do you take care

761
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 1: of yourself besides like comfort watches in this day and

762
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:19,840
Speaker 1: age where everything's a little kooky, right.

763
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:23,480
Speaker 2: How do I take care of myself? I listen to

764
00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:28,239
Speaker 2: a lot of music. I have music on constantly, like

765
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:30,120
Speaker 2: from the second I get up going to bed. I

766
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:35,879
Speaker 2: really love music that calms me down. I just love

767
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:38,080
Speaker 2: Part of the reason I moved back to New York

768
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:41,520
Speaker 2: is that I really missed just being able to walk

769
00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:44,920
Speaker 2: around and to be around other people without having to

770
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:47,400
Speaker 2: talk to them, but you know they're there. You know

771
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:50,040
Speaker 2: that's very New York. It's like I need that. I

772
00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:51,880
Speaker 2: need to be able to just leave my apartment and

773
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 2: not when I'm shooting Billy on the street or just

774
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:57,600
Speaker 2: like when I have my AirPods in and I can

775
00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:00,239
Speaker 2: just walk around. Everyone in New York does that. One

776
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:03,399
Speaker 2: has this like main character energy, but it's very zen

777
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:05,600
Speaker 2: to me because I don't want to I would walk

778
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:07,520
Speaker 2: around LA. That's the creepiest thing.

779
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:09,600
Speaker 1: It's very weird. And also people are looking at you

780
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:10,360
Speaker 1: like what's going on?

781
00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:14,839
Speaker 2: What's yeah? Yeah? And I would try to kind of

782
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:18,520
Speaker 2: recreate that New York feeling in LA, but you can't. Ye.

783
00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:22,360
Speaker 2: The weather's perfect, but there's literally like no one around,

784
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:25,920
Speaker 2: and it would creep me out. And I need people.

785
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:28,160
Speaker 2: I have that New York thing where like I don't

786
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:30,600
Speaker 2: necessarily want to know who my neighbors are, but I

787
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:31,960
Speaker 2: want to know they're there.

788
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:35,399
Speaker 1: Right, Okay, Fair, Are you extroverted or introverted? Would you say,

789
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:36,400
Speaker 1: obviously know Billy on the.

790
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:40,320
Speaker 2: Streeting my work. I'm very extroverted. I think I'm just

791
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:43,120
Speaker 2: kind of normal. I can be normal. Oh, I can

792
00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:45,960
Speaker 2: be shy, like yeah if I know. If I'm around

793
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:48,760
Speaker 2: my friends, I'm not shy. If I'm around new people,

794
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:50,279
Speaker 2: it can take me a.

795
00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:53,000
Speaker 1: Minute to warm up. Yeah, Okay, have you always been

796
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:53,319
Speaker 1: like that?

797
00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:56,960
Speaker 2: Yes? And I've gotten less so I think in a way,

798
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:00,440
Speaker 2: especially if I'm in certain like gay spaces or something like,

799
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:04,200
Speaker 2: I know that people will recognize me, and I know

800
00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:06,360
Speaker 2: everyone's like it was that weird for me. It's like

801
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:10,080
Speaker 2: an icebreaker. I don't have to explain myself, right, you know,

802
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:12,879
Speaker 2: even if they don't really know who I am as

803
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:16,560
Speaker 2: a real person. It's like that actually undercuts some of

804
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:19,560
Speaker 2: the awkwardness for me. When I was in my twenties,

805
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:22,520
Speaker 2: I was like my best friend of thirty years since

806
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:25,160
Speaker 2: high school is still my best friend, Heath. He's gay too,

807
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:29,719
Speaker 2: and he was always the life of the party in

808
00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:33,400
Speaker 2: our twenties, right, and he's gorgeous and very very friendly,

809
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:37,560
Speaker 2: and I was like his quirky, quiet, like nerdier friend,

810
00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:41,320
Speaker 2: like standing beside him. I've gotten I'm not like that anymore.

811
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:45,000
Speaker 2: I'm more I'm more extroverted now. But in my twenties,

812
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:46,960
Speaker 2: when I was younger, I was definitely quieter.

813
00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:49,560
Speaker 1: Okay, And how did you and Heath, like, how did

814
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:51,759
Speaker 1: you guys bond? What was the bond about?

815
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:55,799
Speaker 2: Espe on this speech and debate team in high school? Yeah,

816
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:58,680
Speaker 2: and in my I went to a strangely I went

817
00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:01,040
Speaker 2: to a high school in Manhattan called Stuyvesant.

818
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:03,359
Speaker 1: I know Stuyvesant went to college with a girl who

819
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:04,040
Speaker 1: went to Stuyvesant.

820
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:06,239
Speaker 2: So it's a public school, but you have to take

821
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:08,920
Speaker 2: a test to get in, like an SAT like test,

822
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:11,799
Speaker 2: and it's really math and science focus. To this day,

823
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:13,880
Speaker 2: I have no idea how I got in. I was

824
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:16,200
Speaker 2: not a math and science student. I'm guessing my English

825
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:20,640
Speaker 2: scores carried me. But at Stuyvesant there weren't that many

826
00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:23,759
Speaker 2: opportunities to perform right. It was a more of an

827
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:26,680
Speaker 2: academic environment. So the speech team. Speech team is a

828
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:30,160
Speaker 2: very cultish thing where you like perform scenes from plays,

829
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:33,560
Speaker 2: but with all kinds of weird formal rules and it's

830
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:36,160
Speaker 2: hard to describe. Josh Gad I think just made a

831
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:40,520
Speaker 2: documentary about speech team, which which explains it. But it

832
00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:43,239
Speaker 2: was one of my only outlets to perform. And Heath

833
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:45,960
Speaker 2: was on that team too, and we just bonded. We

834
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:48,520
Speaker 2: didn't know each other were gay. I always thought it

835
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:51,320
Speaker 2: was very obvious that I was gay. I like musicals.

836
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:54,280
Speaker 2: I started the musicals. I was, you know, being funny

837
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:56,200
Speaker 2: and I like to perform and I just thought based

838
00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:58,520
Speaker 2: on my interests. People knew I was gay. My parents

839
00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:02,920
Speaker 2: certainly knew I did not No Heath was gay at all. Yeah,

840
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:06,080
Speaker 2: and then we were best friends. We never talked about it.

841
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:08,320
Speaker 2: You know, he would like kind of pretend to date girls,

842
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:11,560
Speaker 2: and I was just kind of being like asexual. And

843
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:14,320
Speaker 2: Stuyvesant was a great place to be in the closet

844
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:17,319
Speaker 2: in high school in the mid nineties because very few

845
00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:19,959
Speaker 2: of the kids were sleeping together, even the straight kids,

846
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:22,960
Speaker 2: because everyone was so focused on school, math and science

847
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:25,799
Speaker 2: exactly like what college you were going to get into?

848
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:29,840
Speaker 2: Right in that way, it was a great mask the

849
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:32,520
Speaker 2: way for being gay. No one was like, where's your girlfriend?

850
00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:34,160
Speaker 2: And you know, no one had girl, very few people

851
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:34,800
Speaker 2: had girlfriends.

852
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:35,240
Speaker 1: Yeah.

853
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:38,960
Speaker 2: So then Heath and I had you know, i'll give

854
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:41,600
Speaker 2: you the PG rated version of this, So we had

855
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:45,400
Speaker 2: this is you can Okay, great, all right.

856
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:47,239
Speaker 1: It's a podcast exactly.

857
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 2: Well, now that we're in the heated rivalry it we

858
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:54,640
Speaker 2: were not. We did not play hockey, but we were

859
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:59,680
Speaker 2: on the debate team just as well, okay. And we

860
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:05,080
Speaker 2: graduated from high school the end of June nineteen ninety six,

861
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:08,439
Speaker 2: and so thirty years ago, like right around this time.

862
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:11,560
Speaker 2: I keep telling Heath like it's our thirtieth anniversary. A

863
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:15,320
Speaker 2: week later, July fourth weekend, nineteen ninety six, he invited

864
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:18,120
Speaker 2: me to his parents country house in Pennsylvania. I said okay,

865
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:22,600
Speaker 2: innocently enough, and we went to his country house, hanging

866
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:24,839
Speaker 2: out like everything was normal. His parents go to bed

867
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:27,760
Speaker 2: one night. He's going to die that I'm telling this. Ooh, sorry,

868
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:33,919
Speaker 2: He's the best. And we were not like boys who

869
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:37,600
Speaker 2: wrestled around, you know, we were not like jocks like that.

870
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:39,520
Speaker 2: We didn't we were gay, Like, we didn't have that

871
00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:43,680
Speaker 2: type of like aggressive nature at that point, right, But

872
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:46,319
Speaker 2: one thing led to another. We were watching TV and

873
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:49,239
Speaker 2: he kind of threw something at me, and then I

874
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:51,120
Speaker 2: threw it back. And then all of a sudden, I

875
00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:53,040
Speaker 2: cannot believe I'm telling a story. It's not even in

876
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:57,439
Speaker 2: my book. We were like on top of each other,

877
00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:03,240
Speaker 2: and I could tell very quickly that like, Heath is gay. Oh,

878
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:07,839
Speaker 2: and I could not believe it. I was shocked. Yeah,

879
00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:10,720
Speaker 2: And that became so we were each other's first gay hookup.

880
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:12,600
Speaker 2: Like we came out to each other in that moment

881
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:16,080
Speaker 2: and hooked up in that moment. Then it's a long story,

882
00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:17,839
Speaker 2: like he didn't really want to be gay, and I

883
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:19,840
Speaker 2: was like, We're gay. I was so happy. I was

884
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:22,440
Speaker 2: like so ready. Yeah, and I was like I know,

885
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:24,880
Speaker 2: I'm I had already gotten into college. I knew I

886
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:27,080
Speaker 2: was going to Northwestern to study theater and musical theater.

887
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 2: In my head, I had the whole plan. I was like,

888
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:30,040
Speaker 2: all the guys are going to be gay. I'm gonna

889
00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:31,080
Speaker 2: come out. It's going to be great.

890
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:31,439
Speaker 1: Yeah.

891
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:33,800
Speaker 2: Heath was not. He was like about to be a

892
00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:37,920
Speaker 2: frat boy, you know, at Cornell, and he didn't want

893
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:39,480
Speaker 2: to be gay at that point. So he kind of

894
00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:41,879
Speaker 2: went back in the closet and we stopped. We kind

895
00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:44,960
Speaker 2: of stopped talking to each other. And then he called

896
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:48,440
Speaker 2: me senior year when I was in college, and he said,

897
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:50,799
Speaker 2: you know, I miss you. I'm starting to come out

898
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:53,600
Speaker 2: of the closet and I want to be friends again.

899
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:55,440
Speaker 2: He came out to Chicago to visit me. We went

900
00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:57,560
Speaker 2: to gay bars, and we've been best friends ever since.

901
00:41:57,719 --> 00:41:59,920
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, that's a that's a good story.

902
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:02,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's the best. He's like my brother.

903
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:03,759
Speaker 1: Oh that's incredible.

904
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:12,480
Speaker 2: Brothers who once hooked up. Fine, sometimes like that, you're

905
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:13,319
Speaker 2: gonna win a glad award.

906
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:16,920
Speaker 1: Thank you. I've been gunning for a long.

907
00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:21,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm glad. I'm kidding. I have a glad award.

908
00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:22,240
Speaker 2: I'm very grateful.

909
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:27,000
Speaker 1: You have to cover all your bases there, Bill. Are

910
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:28,720
Speaker 1: you am I allowed to ask if you're dating?

911
00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:31,640
Speaker 2: I am single? I date? Okay, I'm single right now?

912
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:32,200
Speaker 1: You're single?

913
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:32,880
Speaker 2: Are you?

914
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:34,400
Speaker 1: Do you want to get married? One day?

915
00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:41,239
Speaker 2: Married? I would be in a relationship married if the

916
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:44,480
Speaker 2: person I was with felt if that was important to them.

917
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:47,439
Speaker 2: I'm not against it, but I'm not like, oh God,

918
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:48,760
Speaker 2: I can't wait to get married.

919
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:51,160
Speaker 1: It's not a thing that matters to you. Yeah, I

920
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:54,319
Speaker 1: get that. Also, I'm seeing this trend now too, where

921
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:56,799
Speaker 1: I'm like all the friends of mine who are engaged,

922
00:42:57,160 --> 00:42:59,160
Speaker 1: which is many of them, and even friends in the

923
00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:01,400
Speaker 1: last few years have been engaged. People are being like

924
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:04,160
Speaker 1: cool to stay engaged and be like we just live

925
00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:06,920
Speaker 1: in an engagement and also being like we're not having

926
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:09,239
Speaker 1: some grand wedding, We're going to the courthouse. It's like

927
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:10,239
Speaker 1: the vibe right now.

928
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:14,120
Speaker 2: I like that vie too, like just staying engaged forever.

929
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:15,760
Speaker 2: Imagine if feel sexy.

930
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:18,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, the tension like we'll do it one day. Maybe

931
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:18,680
Speaker 1: it's like.

932
00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:20,239
Speaker 2: A very goldie han Kurt Russ.

933
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:22,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, it works, it does work. What do you think

934
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:26,800
Speaker 1: that is though? That makes like, yes, the like it's sexy,

935
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:28,840
Speaker 1: it's enticing, but like, what do you think that is

936
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:31,239
Speaker 1: that makes a couple that goes, we don't want to

937
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:33,719
Speaker 1: get married or we're just gonna stay like we're not

938
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:35,400
Speaker 1: even gonna get engaged. Because I know some couples like

939
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:37,720
Speaker 1: that as well, who just going together forever and they're

940
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:40,319
Speaker 1: doing the whole thing work. Yeah, why do you think

941
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:42,920
Speaker 1: that works? I'm like, you know, he doesn't.

942
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:45,759
Speaker 2: Feel like you're locking yourself up. Yeah, you know, it

943
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:49,400
Speaker 2: feels more free, it feels more liberated. The pressure isn't

944
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:53,759
Speaker 2: there the minute there's pressure there too much pressure. Yeah, yeah,

945
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:55,759
Speaker 2: it keeps you locked in on the one hand, but

946
00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:58,839
Speaker 2: also I think it starts to feel a little less fun.

947
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:01,680
Speaker 1: Yeah. Do you feel that way about titles too, by chance,

948
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:05,279
Speaker 1: like being like going, we're official, we're defining the relationship

949
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:07,920
Speaker 1: and stuff. Do you feel that way about that on dating?

950
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:12,440
Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean I don't really, I don't know if

951
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:14,279
Speaker 2: I feel strongly about that one way or the other,

952
00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:16,160
Speaker 2: Like we're official, I mean, I guess if you're dating,

953
00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:18,480
Speaker 2: you want to know, like, okay, we're dating. Yeah, right,

954
00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:20,520
Speaker 2: because in the gay world, I mean, even when you're dating,

955
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:22,560
Speaker 2: there's like always like other guys, I mean, you know,

956
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:26,040
Speaker 2: the gays, it's like I can't keep up, you know.

957
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:30,279
Speaker 2: But so it's nice to have a little stability. Yeah,

958
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:33,319
Speaker 2: we just don't need all the old school rules necessarily.

959
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:35,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, fair enough. Do you want kids?

960
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:40,840
Speaker 2: I do not have a burning desire for children, and

961
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:43,360
Speaker 2: I don't I think if you don't have a burning desire,

962
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:46,919
Speaker 2: you probably shouldn't have kids. However, let me just put

963
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:49,080
Speaker 2: this asterisk on it in case one day this all

964
00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:50,120
Speaker 2: blows up in my face.

965
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:52,319
Speaker 1: It should not. I don't want anything anyone says on

966
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:53,920
Speaker 1: here ever blowing up. That's my desire.

967
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:55,800
Speaker 2: By the way, I just want to say rare.

968
00:44:57,080 --> 00:45:00,000
Speaker 1: Like, yeah, I'm like, come, let's have let's have a conversation.

969
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:03,560
Speaker 2: If I agree with that having people celebrities to Billy

970
00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:06,239
Speaker 2: on the street. If there was something that they that

971
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:07,920
Speaker 2: just kind of fell out of their mouths, like and

972
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:09,560
Speaker 2: they didn't want it on the air, I'd be like, yeah,

973
00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:12,920
Speaker 2: we're cutting it, and you my show.

974
00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:13,720
Speaker 1: What an honor?

975
00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:17,480
Speaker 2: The test click world where people feel like they need it.

976
00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:21,359
Speaker 2: But my aster is having kids. Again. If I was

977
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:23,279
Speaker 2: with someone and we were in love, and I felt

978
00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:24,799
Speaker 2: like we were in it for the long haul and

979
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:28,359
Speaker 2: it was very important and important to them to have

980
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:30,920
Speaker 2: a kid, I could have a kid. I am not

981
00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:33,560
Speaker 2: like dead set against it, and part of me thinks

982
00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:36,280
Speaker 2: it would be fun. I'm not one of those people

983
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:38,680
Speaker 2: who's going to have a child by themselves if I

984
00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:42,200
Speaker 2: never meet the one, that's right, Okay, travel and have

985
00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:42,640
Speaker 2: a good time.

986
00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:47,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, Instead, Exactly where do you normally like to travel to?

987
00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:50,040
Speaker 1: Are there? Are you like a like beach person a

988
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:50,760
Speaker 1: city person.

989
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:53,560
Speaker 2: I like the beach to be in the near vicinity,

990
00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:56,080
Speaker 2: but I'm a little too restless and I get a

991
00:45:56,120 --> 00:45:59,920
Speaker 2: little too hot to sit on the beach all day long. Okay,

992
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:02,400
Speaker 2: I like the beach for now. I'm more of a

993
00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:05,400
Speaker 2: like sit in the pool with a drink type of person.

994
00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:09,359
Speaker 2: Where do I like to travel? I'm a little bit

995
00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:12,319
Speaker 2: under traveled. There's a lot of places I haven't been

996
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:14,680
Speaker 2: that I want to go. It's a little embarrassing. We

997
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:16,520
Speaker 2: didn't travel a lot when I was a kid, Like

998
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:18,439
Speaker 2: they didn't. My parents did have a ton of money,

999
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:20,640
Speaker 2: So what we spent our money on things in New

1000
00:46:20,719 --> 00:46:24,480
Speaker 2: York that didn't require getting on a plane and so

1001
00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:27,160
Speaker 2: and then when I got older and I finally had money,

1002
00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:29,960
Speaker 2: I didn't have time. So now I'm trying to like

1003
00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:32,520
Speaker 2: make time till I've never been to Japan. Everyone's like,

1004
00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:34,719
Speaker 2: oh my god, Japan is like the greatest. I need

1005
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:36,520
Speaker 2: to go. I know I need to go to Japan.

1006
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:45,279
Speaker 2: I know, the very excited waiting for Billy to exactly. Yeah,

1007
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:47,279
Speaker 2: so I want to go to Japan. I've never been

1008
00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:49,840
Speaker 2: to Berlin. You know, things that I should places I

1009
00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:54,520
Speaker 2: should go. But I love Paris very much, probably my

1010
00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:57,120
Speaker 2: second favorite city. And I like all the gay places

1011
00:46:57,239 --> 00:47:00,880
Speaker 2: I in terms of all like the popular gay or spots.

1012
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:05,960
Speaker 2: I'm a Provincetown, Massachusetts gay. I love Pete Town very much.

1013
00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:08,400
Speaker 2: It's a magical place. And I you know, I do

1014
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:09,640
Speaker 2: Fire Island and all the things.

1015
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:12,120
Speaker 1: Okay are you how are you with group travel?

1016
00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:16,239
Speaker 2: I like a group. I don't need twenty people. That's

1017
00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:16,520
Speaker 2: a lot.

1018
00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:19,840
Speaker 1: We're recapping it. Where would you I think.

1019
00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:22,680
Speaker 2: Four to six is a good number. Even three can

1020
00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:25,200
Speaker 2: a three that you really like? That's good?

1021
00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:25,600
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1022
00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:28,680
Speaker 2: If one person wants to like not do something you

1023
00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:30,560
Speaker 2: still have a person to do something with.

1024
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:31,120
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1025
00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:33,799
Speaker 2: I also don't mind traveling alone.

1026
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:34,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, not for like.

1027
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:37,680
Speaker 2: An extended period of time. But like you know, I've

1028
00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:40,080
Speaker 2: gone to London by myself. That's actually kind of fun.

1029
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:42,040
Speaker 1: I want to try that. I do, try. I try.

1030
00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:44,080
Speaker 1: I went to Barcelona by myself not too long ago,

1031
00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:48,160
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I also do enjoy a solow Yeah, travel,

1032
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:50,640
Speaker 1: it's notice I'm sleeping when I want to, for how

1033
00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:52,640
Speaker 1: long I want to, eating where I want?

1034
00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:53,400
Speaker 2: No pressure?

1035
00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:55,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is very nice, but I get that you

1036
00:47:55,920 --> 00:47:58,440
Speaker 1: would also appreciate it as an only child getting to

1037
00:47:58,440 --> 00:47:59,080
Speaker 1: do your thing.

1038
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:02,359
Speaker 2: Oh, you're right, that's used to getting my way.

1039
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:05,520
Speaker 1: What are you in a relationship? An avoidant or an

1040
00:48:05,560 --> 00:48:06,920
Speaker 1: anxiously attached person?

1041
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:10,239
Speaker 2: Okay, everyone's talking about every terms up.

1042
00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:12,160
Speaker 1: Or maximize or minimizers.

1043
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:18,080
Speaker 2: I don't know what these things are. Relationship avoidant versus

1044
00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:19,640
Speaker 2: what anxiously attached?

1045
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:23,399
Speaker 1: So avoidant or an anxiously attached person. So that's two

1046
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:26,280
Speaker 1: attachment styles. Or you can be securely attached.

1047
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:32,680
Speaker 2: That sounds nice, but are you I'm not attached to anyone.

1048
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:34,919
Speaker 1: But like when you get in a relationship, whereas things

1049
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:36,680
Speaker 1: start to get romantic with someone.

1050
00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:38,200
Speaker 2: Do you get I freak out?

1051
00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:40,040
Speaker 1: Do you freak out and get avoidant in a little

1052
00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:42,080
Speaker 1: stand off and get cold feet? Or are you like

1053
00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:44,640
Speaker 1: I need answers we should hang out, or are you

1054
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:47,160
Speaker 1: like whatever I think.

1055
00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:50,200
Speaker 2: If you're feeling that anxiety, it might not be meant

1056
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:52,640
Speaker 2: to be. I have felt that anxiety. The minute you're

1057
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:55,759
Speaker 2: my Heath and I always say to each other, we

1058
00:48:55,840 --> 00:48:58,400
Speaker 2: have an expression. The minute you feel a need to

1059
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:02,120
Speaker 2: check in, it's over. If you have to check in,

1060
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:03,440
Speaker 2: it's over.

1061
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:06,080
Speaker 1: This is your official stance.

1062
00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:08,880
Speaker 2: My official stance. Maybe you check in once orright the

1063
00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:11,480
Speaker 2: person's busy, if they have a certain kind of thing

1064
00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:13,560
Speaker 2: going on in their lives where they're like really busy

1065
00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:16,040
Speaker 2: or fine at their job or whatever. But if you

1066
00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:19,040
Speaker 2: find yourself needing to check in where you want to

1067
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:21,200
Speaker 2: write a text, that's just like he's not getting back

1068
00:49:21,239 --> 00:49:24,520
Speaker 2: to me just checking in, that's over. They are not

1069
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:27,320
Speaker 2: into you save your time. And it's so hard in

1070
00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:29,360
Speaker 2: the moment because you want to make excuses if you

1071
00:49:29,480 --> 00:49:32,040
Speaker 2: like the person. If you have to check in too much,

1072
00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:35,720
Speaker 2: goodbye bye. Go meet someone that actually wants to text

1073
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:36,080
Speaker 2: you back.

1074
00:49:36,239 --> 00:49:38,080
Speaker 1: So if you get the if you feel the urge

1075
00:49:38,120 --> 00:49:41,680
Speaker 1: to check in, Billy, right, do you go, fuck it, it's done.

1076
00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:43,759
Speaker 1: If I'm having the urge to check in, I'm not

1077
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:46,239
Speaker 1: doing it, or are you going? I will check in

1078
00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:47,000
Speaker 1: this once.

1079
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:50,480
Speaker 2: It's what happens usually that, But I as I've gotten older,

1080
00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:53,759
Speaker 2: I've tried to limit that. You know, sometimes you got

1081
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:55,680
Speaker 2: to give the person the benefit of the doubt. They're

1082
00:49:55,719 --> 00:49:59,360
Speaker 2: not always available when you are, but you always I

1083
00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:01,960
Speaker 2: have this with a guy I recently. You know, you

1084
00:50:02,080 --> 00:50:06,200
Speaker 2: always know, you get that feeling in your gut he

1085
00:50:06,239 --> 00:50:08,799
Speaker 2: could have gotten back to me by now. Even if

1086
00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:11,000
Speaker 2: he does eventually get back to you, if it took

1087
00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:14,560
Speaker 2: too long, it's a little funn you're looking for other options.

1088
00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:16,799
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, And so then you kind of just go

1089
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:19,400
Speaker 1: all right, I know what this is a moment of weakness.

1090
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:22,319
Speaker 2: You might say, oh, he's so hot, I'll just check in.

1091
00:50:23,480 --> 00:50:26,839
Speaker 2: But but even then you know, like it's not meant

1092
00:50:26,840 --> 00:50:29,919
Speaker 2: to be. And almost always that gut feeling is right.

1093
00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:33,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's true, I will say when you talk

1094
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:34,879
Speaker 1: about it is a hard one that in the moment,

1095
00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:38,239
Speaker 1: especially if you have chemistry when you are together, and yeah,

1096
00:50:38,239 --> 00:50:40,600
Speaker 1: and it's a good time, damn that stuff is hard.

1097
00:50:40,680 --> 00:50:43,680
Speaker 1: How do you deal with not liking like a really

1098
00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:48,080
Speaker 1: good friend's partner or the person that they're dating, even.

1099
00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:53,239
Speaker 2: Luckily that hasn't happened a lot. Yeah, it's tough when

1100
00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:55,440
Speaker 2: that happens. What do you do? You just kind of

1101
00:50:55,440 --> 00:50:58,200
Speaker 2: have to hang out with the person without the partner around.

1102
00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:01,200
Speaker 1: You know, I'm like, oh, I don't have that.

1103
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:03,160
Speaker 2: I'm just like, yeah, do you not have that?

1104
00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:05,839
Speaker 1: I'm imagining a friend in the situation where they're having

1105
00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:07,799
Speaker 1: to check in with someone and you're kind of like

1106
00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:08,800
Speaker 1: it's bad news.

1107
00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:10,880
Speaker 2: It would be a nightmare for me. Like if Heath

1108
00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:14,160
Speaker 2: had a serious boyfriend who I didn't like, that would

1109
00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:16,840
Speaker 2: be very hard. He was in love with him and

1110
00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:20,879
Speaker 2: the guy like was treating him okay. I would be like, oh, yeah,

1111
00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:23,839
Speaker 2: he's he's great, Like what are you say?

1112
00:51:23,840 --> 00:51:25,520
Speaker 1: You're a good actor, but for as good as you

1113
00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:29,640
Speaker 1: as I didn't buy.

1114
00:51:30,239 --> 00:51:35,040
Speaker 2: But luckily that's never happened. But that's a tricky one. Yeah.

1115
00:51:35,120 --> 00:51:36,880
Speaker 1: Would you tell a friend though, and straight up be

1116
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:40,160
Speaker 1: like with a bad partner, not not the bad partner,

1117
00:51:40,160 --> 00:51:41,239
Speaker 1: but he's not done it to you.

1118
00:51:41,320 --> 00:51:44,080
Speaker 2: Like if the person started to complain about the partner

1119
00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:47,160
Speaker 2: and say I don't you know, ask questions like what

1120
00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:49,560
Speaker 2: do you think about his behavior? Like if they brought

1121
00:51:49,560 --> 00:51:52,160
Speaker 2: it up with me, got it? Then I would find

1122
00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:56,960
Speaker 2: a gentle way to be honest, Yeah, because I don't.

1123
00:51:57,360 --> 00:51:58,960
Speaker 2: If I love my friend, I don't want them to

1124
00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:04,400
Speaker 2: be with this fucking your Yeah, so I would find

1125
00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:07,880
Speaker 2: a way if they brought up some skepticism about the

1126
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:11,080
Speaker 2: relationship to me. But I wouldn't be like not just

1127
00:52:11,120 --> 00:52:14,200
Speaker 2: want to tell you your boyfriend sucks a great day. No, No,

1128
00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:16,279
Speaker 2: you can't do that. They have to realize it on

1129
00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:19,680
Speaker 2: their own, right, Okay, unless the person's like abusive.

1130
00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:21,160
Speaker 1: And then you got to get in there. I mean

1131
00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:22,600
Speaker 1: it's a big broad yet we got to get in

1132
00:52:22,600 --> 00:52:24,400
Speaker 1: there and get them out of there. Oh wait, Billy,

1133
00:52:25,160 --> 00:52:27,560
Speaker 1: I want to play a game with you. We're trying

1134
00:52:27,560 --> 00:52:30,640
Speaker 1: a new thing around here. It's called dad Daddy Father.

1135
00:52:31,080 --> 00:52:32,879
Speaker 1: This is our version of fuck Mary kill.

1136
00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:34,640
Speaker 2: You've heard of it, I have.

1137
00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:38,239
Speaker 1: Okay, we've got We've got three guys for you, and

1138
00:52:38,239 --> 00:52:38,799
Speaker 1: I want to.

1139
00:52:38,719 --> 00:52:42,000
Speaker 2: Know dad Daddy father.

1140
00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:45,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, which we should maybe move around so if it's

1141
00:52:45,080 --> 00:52:47,160
Speaker 1: at we shouldn't. We'll do this in real time here

1142
00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:50,640
Speaker 1: with you. So fuck Mary kill. It should perhaps be

1143
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:55,960
Speaker 1: daddy father. No, do we want to kill the father

1144
00:52:56,080 --> 00:52:56,520
Speaker 1: or the dad?

1145
00:52:56,640 --> 00:52:58,399
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I need to know what the rules are.

1146
00:52:58,560 --> 00:52:59,400
Speaker 1: Well, I mean help me.

1147
00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:01,120
Speaker 2: Do I want to fuck the daddy?

1148
00:53:01,160 --> 00:53:03,000
Speaker 1: Of course, you want to suck the daddy.

1149
00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:05,919
Speaker 2: And I probably gonna want to suck the dado. We're

1150
00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:14,239
Speaker 2: being real. Kill is the gay version. Fuck fuck.

1151
00:53:14,840 --> 00:53:16,359
Speaker 1: You're like, I'll fuck the daddy, I'll fuck the dad

1152
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:25,399
Speaker 1: and the father exactly their neighbor. Okay, and they're childlessen peptids. Okay,

1153
00:53:25,480 --> 00:53:28,440
Speaker 1: so everybody's getting fucked, but maybe we'll see.

1154
00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:31,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, so so so so the dad is is like

1155
00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:34,120
Speaker 2: your friend you know what, Yes, I like that, And

1156
00:53:34,239 --> 00:53:37,000
Speaker 2: daddy is who you want to have sex with, and

1157
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:39,919
Speaker 2: and father is get him out of here. We're gonna

1158
00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:40,600
Speaker 2: kill the father.

1159
00:53:40,840 --> 00:53:42,440
Speaker 1: I know that feels wrong.

1160
00:53:42,719 --> 00:53:46,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, you want to killing any of them? Feel maybe

1161
00:53:46,360 --> 00:53:49,920
Speaker 2: you don't kill anyone. Maybe father is who like you.

1162
00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:53,120
Speaker 1: I don't want anything to do with, Like it's like

1163
00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:55,120
Speaker 1: a priest where it's like, well that's not say I

1164
00:53:55,160 --> 00:53:56,560
Speaker 1: don't want anything to do with, but like they're in

1165
00:53:56,880 --> 00:53:57,520
Speaker 1: another room.

1166
00:53:58,200 --> 00:54:01,839
Speaker 2: Father, father is like, yeah, I want space from thought.

1167
00:54:01,920 --> 00:54:05,399
Speaker 1: Do you believe they gave me a podcast. Honestly, think

1168
00:54:05,400 --> 00:54:06,040
Speaker 1: about it all.

1169
00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:08,200
Speaker 2: Thinking about everyone who has podcasts. Now, it's not that

1170
00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:12,560
Speaker 2: much of a surprise. I think you're doing great, by

1171
00:54:12,600 --> 00:54:15,319
Speaker 2: the way, and I think it's very inclusive to have

1172
00:54:15,360 --> 00:54:16,920
Speaker 2: a game where you literally just fuck.

1173
00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:20,200
Speaker 1: Everything everyone's getting in this one. Yeah.

1174
00:54:20,200 --> 00:54:21,880
Speaker 2: I mean at this point, I you know, there are

1175
00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:24,279
Speaker 2: a lot of dads and daddies that I would probably fuck.

1176
00:54:24,440 --> 00:54:26,239
Speaker 1: So then we're not gonna kill the father? Do we just?

1177
00:54:26,719 --> 00:54:28,120
Speaker 1: Is it like fuck? Fuck?

1178
00:54:29,080 --> 00:54:31,840
Speaker 2: I think in the other room, I think it's I

1179
00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:37,800
Speaker 2: think it's fuck fuck, oh fuck fuck fuck.

1180
00:54:38,280 --> 00:54:43,919
Speaker 1: Won maybe it's maybe it's maybe it's fuck make love

1181
00:54:44,040 --> 00:54:46,160
Speaker 1: to be friends with.

1182
00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:47,280
Speaker 2: Oh that's nice.

1183
00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:49,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, so I'll write it down.

1184
00:54:49,520 --> 00:54:51,759
Speaker 2: Fuck make love to be friends.

1185
00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:55,359
Speaker 1: With, be friends with? Okay, Okay, all right, So it's dad,

1186
00:54:55,440 --> 00:55:00,239
Speaker 1: daddy father fuck So but I'm dad is make love

1187
00:55:00,280 --> 00:55:04,600
Speaker 1: to dad? So Dad? I would say, daddy, daddy as fuck.

1188
00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:06,000
Speaker 2: Daddy's fuck yes, dad?

1189
00:55:06,680 --> 00:55:09,439
Speaker 1: Always want you always want to fuck the daddy dad.

1190
00:55:09,520 --> 00:55:11,759
Speaker 2: You want to hear this on Amy Poehler's podcast, I'll

1191
00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:14,319
Speaker 2: tell you that if you thought that's what was going on,

1192
00:55:15,320 --> 00:55:18,280
Speaker 2: She's like, you know, having a lovely conversation with Adam Scott,

1193
00:55:18,320 --> 00:55:21,399
Speaker 2: and we're like, I'm gonna fuck dad. I'm gonna fuck

1194
00:55:21,520 --> 00:55:33,120
Speaker 2: daddy too, and I'm gonna blow father uncle Dad. Okay, Okay, okay, wait.

1195
00:55:33,280 --> 00:55:38,120
Speaker 1: Wait, Daddy, Daddy as fuck, dades make love too, and

1196
00:55:38,320 --> 00:55:42,880
Speaker 1: fathers be friends with is for friends for friends.

1197
00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:46,640
Speaker 2: Okay, Dad is be friends with No dad is daddy.

1198
00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:48,720
Speaker 1: Dad is make love.

1199
00:55:48,840 --> 00:55:50,400
Speaker 2: Oh, dads make love.

1200
00:55:50,280 --> 00:55:52,440
Speaker 1: And Daddy is fun making daddy.

1201
00:55:52,800 --> 00:55:55,640
Speaker 2: Daddy is like this sells a lot of audio. Okay,

1202
00:55:55,960 --> 00:55:59,600
Speaker 2: all right, making love to dad, Daddy is fuck and

1203
00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:00,640
Speaker 2: there is.

1204
00:56:01,560 --> 00:56:04,759
Speaker 1: Friend Okay, thank you, we thank you for helping me

1205
00:56:04,760 --> 00:56:06,680
Speaker 1: sort that. I hope somebody wrote it down. I don't

1206
00:56:06,680 --> 00:56:07,719
Speaker 1: have already implement.

1207
00:56:07,880 --> 00:56:09,080
Speaker 2: Okay, I think I got it.

1208
00:56:09,160 --> 00:56:11,560
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, but I mean for later because you helped

1209
00:56:11,560 --> 00:56:13,960
Speaker 1: me crack the case here today, for the future as well. Okay,

1210
00:56:16,160 --> 00:56:21,840
Speaker 1: has tattoos that were has tattoos that are the names

1211
00:56:21,960 --> 00:56:25,359
Speaker 1: of his exes. Okay, so I'm gonna read all three.

1212
00:56:26,040 --> 00:56:33,640
Speaker 1: Has never floss and stands outside of the theater putting

1213
00:56:33,680 --> 00:56:40,279
Speaker 1: on shows himself. Has tattoos that are the names of

1214
00:56:40,320 --> 00:56:44,040
Speaker 1: his exes. Has you don't want to fuck anybody now,

1215
00:56:44,680 --> 00:56:49,879
Speaker 1: has never has never flost, and stands outside of the

1216
00:56:49,880 --> 00:56:53,680
Speaker 1: theater putting on shows of his own.

1217
00:56:54,200 --> 00:56:57,480
Speaker 2: Well, i'll fuck the guy with tattoos.

1218
00:56:57,120 --> 00:56:58,480
Speaker 1: Even if it's the name is of the exes.

1219
00:56:58,520 --> 00:57:00,759
Speaker 2: Okay, the the other guy is a floss.

1220
00:57:02,560 --> 00:57:05,719
Speaker 1: You can't fuck someone who doesn't flow, Okay, so I

1221
00:57:06,239 --> 00:57:10,160
Speaker 1: have so where does the person who doesn't fly tattoos?

1222
00:57:10,160 --> 00:57:11,600
Speaker 2: So i'll the guy with daddy.

1223
00:57:11,680 --> 00:57:12,360
Speaker 1: So that's daddy.

1224
00:57:12,400 --> 00:57:15,160
Speaker 2: That's daddy, the guy who puts on shows. It's a

1225
00:57:15,160 --> 00:57:18,800
Speaker 2: little sad, but that's sweet. Okay, that'll be father.

1226
00:57:19,080 --> 00:57:19,360
Speaker 1: Father.

1227
00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:21,720
Speaker 2: You'll be friends and then I'm making weight, No.

1228
00:57:21,760 --> 00:57:23,800
Speaker 1: And then you're making love and you'll make.

1229
00:57:23,720 --> 00:57:25,440
Speaker 2: Love to the guy who puts on shows.

1230
00:57:25,560 --> 00:57:28,320
Speaker 1: So that's so that's dad. The guy putting on shows

1231
00:57:28,360 --> 00:57:29,479
Speaker 1: outside of the theater's dad.

1232
00:57:30,040 --> 00:57:31,480
Speaker 2: That's Dad, Okay, yeah.

1233
00:57:31,520 --> 00:57:34,040
Speaker 1: And then Daddy is the guy who has tattoos.

1234
00:57:35,040 --> 00:57:37,520
Speaker 2: And then father is the guy who doesn't floss. You'll be.

1235
00:57:40,960 --> 00:57:41,800
Speaker 1: That's fair enough.

1236
00:57:41,920 --> 00:57:43,720
Speaker 2: Yeah. But the guy who puts on shows, what kinds

1237
00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:47,040
Speaker 2: of shows? Like a show could be hot if he's like,

1238
00:57:47,120 --> 00:57:50,360
Speaker 2: has like an acoustic guitar and is like singing nice

1239
00:57:50,720 --> 00:57:51,200
Speaker 2: like fun.

1240
00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:54,600
Speaker 1: We have specified Do you want to amend your answer.

1241
00:57:54,400 --> 00:57:57,320
Speaker 2: Or I would like to know more about the guy

1242
00:57:57,320 --> 00:57:58,360
Speaker 2: who puts on shows.

1243
00:57:58,440 --> 00:57:59,880
Speaker 1: Well, that's why you could be a friend. So far,

1244
00:58:00,080 --> 00:58:03,840
Speaker 1: there you get to talk to him. Okay, so oh no,

1245
00:58:03,960 --> 00:58:05,960
Speaker 1: father is the flossing anyway, you got it. The guy

1246
00:58:05,960 --> 00:58:08,560
Speaker 1: who puts on shows you're going to make love to. Okay,

1247
00:58:08,600 --> 00:58:10,880
Speaker 1: and you guys, you'll get to know them because you're

1248
00:58:10,920 --> 00:58:15,040
Speaker 1: making love. Okay. Now it's time for a segment. I'm

1249
00:58:15,080 --> 00:58:16,160
Speaker 1: calling thank you next.

1250
00:58:16,240 --> 00:58:17,200
Speaker 2: Okay, this is.

1251
00:58:17,160 --> 00:58:20,440
Speaker 1: Where our previous guest has a question for you, and

1252
00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:22,800
Speaker 1: you'll get to ask our next guest a question. All right,

1253
00:58:23,240 --> 00:58:27,480
Speaker 1: So Frankie Grande was our previous guest, asked, what's your

1254
00:58:27,560 --> 00:58:29,120
Speaker 1: favorite Celene Dion song?

1255
00:58:29,360 --> 00:58:32,760
Speaker 2: Oh? I just saw titany Okay, Frankie Grande and a

1256
00:58:32,760 --> 00:58:34,600
Speaker 2: lot of my friends are in that show. It's really

1257
00:58:34,640 --> 00:58:39,720
Speaker 2: really funny. My favorite Selene Dion song? Ah, this is hard.

1258
00:58:40,560 --> 00:58:42,560
Speaker 2: I should pick a single. There are deep cuts that

1259
00:58:42,600 --> 00:58:43,160
Speaker 2: I could mention.

1260
00:58:43,360 --> 00:58:45,640
Speaker 1: If they're faves, I think you should pop off.

1261
00:58:45,720 --> 00:58:47,560
Speaker 2: Sometimes the deep cuts are NICs because they're not as

1262
00:58:47,600 --> 00:58:50,200
Speaker 2: like overplayed. But let me mention one that people know.

1263
00:58:50,360 --> 00:58:53,840
Speaker 2: I actually really do like taking Chances, okay, which they

1264
00:58:53,880 --> 00:58:56,800
Speaker 2: sing in the show, and I like, oh, you just said.

1265
00:58:56,640 --> 00:58:59,200
Speaker 1: One you're on, So you're going with taking chances, taking chances,

1266
00:58:59,240 --> 00:59:02,160
Speaker 1: taking chances. Good answer, because I'm not going to listen

1267
00:59:02,160 --> 00:59:05,400
Speaker 1: to that now, Billy, what question do you want to

1268
00:59:05,400 --> 00:59:06,280
Speaker 1: ask our next guest?

1269
00:59:06,480 --> 00:59:10,080
Speaker 2: Oh? Okay, what is your least favorite? Celine Dion.

1270
00:59:12,800 --> 00:59:16,240
Speaker 1: The new logo for this podcast, take my face off.

1271
00:59:16,360 --> 00:59:17,560
Speaker 2: Let's get Selene on.

1272
00:59:18,960 --> 00:59:20,560
Speaker 1: I hope I can get I hope I can book

1273
00:59:20,600 --> 00:59:23,640
Speaker 1: Selene next. That would be great. That would be.

1274
00:59:23,600 --> 00:59:28,160
Speaker 2: Great, wait for her to play dad Daddy. But you

1275
00:59:28,160 --> 00:59:29,680
Speaker 2: helped us sort it out.

1276
00:59:31,200 --> 00:59:33,680
Speaker 1: I'm just saying I think you'll have fun. Thank you

1277
00:59:33,800 --> 00:59:35,000
Speaker 1: so much for doing this today.

1278
00:59:35,000 --> 00:59:36,720
Speaker 2: Thank you, of.

1279
00:59:36,640 --> 00:59:44,240
Speaker 1: Course that was my conversation with Billy Eichner. I hope

1280
00:59:44,280 --> 00:59:47,880
Speaker 1: you enjoyed, and I will see you on the next episode.

1281
00:59:48,040 --> 00:59:51,880
Speaker 1: I love you, I need you, I won't you. Also,

1282
00:59:52,120 --> 00:59:55,560
Speaker 1: the beach is free, and that piece of advice from

1283
00:59:55,560 --> 01:00:00,200
Speaker 1: me is free. A lot of shit is free. I

1284
01:00:00,280 --> 01:00:04,840
Speaker 1: dare you comment wherever what else is free? Give us

1285
01:00:04,880 --> 01:00:08,600
Speaker 1: ideas a free shit to do because people ain't trying

1286
01:00:08,600 --> 01:00:14,240
Speaker 1: to spend money. Okay, waw that was free too. Thanks Dad.

1287
01:00:14,320 --> 01:00:16,440
Speaker 1: Is a production of Will Ferrell's Big Money Players and

1288
01:00:16,560 --> 01:00:20,480
Speaker 1: iHeart podcasts, I'm your host, Ago wodem Our, producer is

1289
01:00:20,560 --> 01:00:29,680
Speaker 1: Kevin Bartelt, and our executive producer is Matt Appadaka