1 00:00:02,560 --> 00:00:04,040 Speaker 1: I did want to take a pair of tennis shoes 2 00:00:04,080 --> 00:00:08,119 Speaker 1: out of John Harville's trash can. They were good shoes. 3 00:00:10,320 --> 00:00:13,160 Speaker 1: Those guys stay at that hotel, which is probably like 4 00:00:14,800 --> 00:00:17,320 Speaker 1: something crazy. Where do you think I'm saying here? What 5 00:00:17,440 --> 00:00:18,919 Speaker 1: do you think I'm saying? You should be saying? In 6 00:00:18,960 --> 00:00:27,080 Speaker 1: the rental car? I reviewed his expense report that was 7 00:00:27,120 --> 00:00:29,960 Speaker 1: just submitted. I looked at it very closely, and I 8 00:00:30,040 --> 00:00:46,000 Speaker 1: have to say he stayed with him. Welcome into the lounge. 9 00:00:46,560 --> 00:00:51,080 Speaker 1: I'm back, and I heard all the smack talk. We're talking. 10 00:00:51,159 --> 00:00:55,600 Speaker 1: We're starting with fire right away. Yeah, welcome back. Hired up, 11 00:00:56,120 --> 00:00:59,800 Speaker 1: especially after the lunch we just had. Con let's get 12 00:01:00,280 --> 00:01:02,400 Speaker 1: we'll leave that, we'll leave that off the table for 13 00:01:02,480 --> 00:01:05,640 Speaker 1: this podcast. Um, but yes, let's have you back for 14 00:01:05,680 --> 00:01:08,319 Speaker 1: a change. You know, I figured i'd work a little bit. Yeah, 15 00:01:08,319 --> 00:01:10,240 Speaker 1: you guys always got to earn that paycheck. Well, you 16 00:01:10,280 --> 00:01:12,120 Speaker 1: were off the week before. Let's be honest. Me and 17 00:01:12,120 --> 00:01:15,560 Speaker 1: Cliff interviewed Georgie. Cliffs are really becoming the third member here. 18 00:01:15,600 --> 00:01:17,600 Speaker 1: He's actually he's more like the second member. And then 19 00:01:17,720 --> 00:01:20,200 Speaker 1: either of us are kind of well, now, Cliffs on 20 00:01:20,240 --> 00:01:23,600 Speaker 1: vacation this week, so we're all rotating. Yeah. But anyway, 21 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:26,880 Speaker 1: welcome back from the combine. Uh, good work as always, 22 00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:30,480 Speaker 1: thank you, and it looked like a very productive week 23 00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:33,000 Speaker 1: or a few days out there. Let's start with just 24 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:36,640 Speaker 1: you know, general takeaways from from you on what you 25 00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:39,759 Speaker 1: heard from Eric da Costa, uh, Joe Ortiz in your 26 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:41,760 Speaker 1: interview with him, and what you saw from the prosper. 27 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:44,640 Speaker 1: My feeling, as I've really thought about this after listening 28 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:46,720 Speaker 1: to Eric and Joe, is that when I look at 29 00:01:46,760 --> 00:01:49,120 Speaker 1: what the Ravens are going to do, I think that 30 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:52,160 Speaker 1: the first round pick is going to be linebacker. It's 31 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:58,520 Speaker 1: going to be offensive offensive line potentially okay, or it's 32 00:01:58,560 --> 00:02:03,880 Speaker 1: going to be defensive line and not necessarily pass rusher. Okay. 33 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:06,800 Speaker 1: You maybe an interior path if if there were to 34 00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:09,520 Speaker 1: be a pass rusher that falls for some reason, um, 35 00:02:09,720 --> 00:02:11,960 Speaker 1: but I don't think it's necessarily like this just true 36 00:02:12,040 --> 00:02:14,079 Speaker 1: edge center. So that's one thing that I've I've kind 37 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:17,400 Speaker 1: of honed. It's not feeling the edge lineback now as 38 00:02:17,919 --> 00:02:22,680 Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not I'm not feeling that we can 39 00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:24,400 Speaker 1: spend a little bit more time getting into that. But 40 00:02:24,440 --> 00:02:26,160 Speaker 1: I think that there's it's a deep receiver classes you 41 00:02:26,200 --> 00:02:29,400 Speaker 1: can get that, you know, second third round potentially, unless 42 00:02:29,400 --> 00:02:31,360 Speaker 1: there were to be a guy who were to start 43 00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:34,280 Speaker 1: to fall and then you were like the one that 44 00:02:34,360 --> 00:02:37,880 Speaker 1: I love And this again is probably dreaming, is see Lamb. 45 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:39,519 Speaker 1: If you were to start to fall, say into like 46 00:02:39,560 --> 00:02:42,519 Speaker 1: the twenties, do you consider um? All right? So that's 47 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:44,560 Speaker 1: that receiver. The Ravens are gonna be able to get 48 00:02:44,560 --> 00:02:46,680 Speaker 1: a guy that can come in impact player from the start, 49 00:02:46,800 --> 00:02:49,600 Speaker 1: and I feel really good about that. Um, I think 50 00:02:49,639 --> 00:02:53,840 Speaker 1: that they are going to be as they often are, 51 00:02:54,800 --> 00:02:57,760 Speaker 1: considering the possibility of moving around and being active. On 52 00:02:57,880 --> 00:03:00,400 Speaker 1: draft weekend, Erica Costa, when I sat down with him, 53 00:03:00,440 --> 00:03:02,880 Speaker 1: talked about the fourth round and how the Ravens have 54 00:03:03,280 --> 00:03:05,560 Speaker 1: most likely once compics are announced. Who knows what that's 55 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:07,639 Speaker 1: gonna be. I thought it's gonna be ten days ago, 56 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:10,440 Speaker 1: but has happened yet. Um, they're probably gonna have four 57 00:03:10,440 --> 00:03:13,520 Speaker 1: fourth round picks. I don't know that they'll have will 58 00:03:13,639 --> 00:03:15,720 Speaker 1: draft four players in the fourth round. I just think 59 00:03:15,720 --> 00:03:18,920 Speaker 1: that that gives them, It gives them some AMMO and 60 00:03:19,040 --> 00:03:23,600 Speaker 1: so like that allows them to potentially maneuver and navigate 61 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:26,320 Speaker 1: and given the depth of this draft at the positions 62 00:03:26,320 --> 00:03:29,240 Speaker 1: where there's death I also think that the Ravens could 63 00:03:29,320 --> 00:03:32,360 Speaker 1: even slide. You know, maybe they end up having instead 64 00:03:32,360 --> 00:03:36,280 Speaker 1: of two Day two picks, maybe they have four five 65 00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:38,920 Speaker 1: potentially Day two picks, if they you know, say they 66 00:03:38,920 --> 00:03:40,800 Speaker 1: were to trade back in the first round, trade up 67 00:03:41,160 --> 00:03:45,040 Speaker 1: in the fourth round, US round, you know what I'm saying, 68 00:03:45,040 --> 00:03:49,440 Speaker 1: But they trade back from and they've traded the second round, 69 00:03:49,720 --> 00:03:51,560 Speaker 1: and so now you're kind of pact full in that 70 00:03:51,640 --> 00:03:55,480 Speaker 1: Day two. I think that that's a real possibility. Um So, 71 00:03:56,360 --> 00:03:58,120 Speaker 1: just in general, I think that you've got to feel 72 00:03:58,120 --> 00:04:01,960 Speaker 1: good about what the Ravens needed to the needs they 73 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:04,160 Speaker 1: need to address this offseason, and then how the draft 74 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:05,720 Speaker 1: stacks up. I think that the Ravens are in a 75 00:04:05,720 --> 00:04:07,560 Speaker 1: really good spot. Yeah, there's a lot of depth and 76 00:04:07,600 --> 00:04:09,920 Speaker 1: wide receiver, a lot of depth that edge rusher, I think, 77 00:04:10,440 --> 00:04:14,040 Speaker 1: um yeah, yeah, depend I don't know that there's there's 78 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:16,520 Speaker 1: kind of the general consensus there's kind of a drop 79 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:21,280 Speaker 1: off after the top tier, which is top fifteen guys rushers, 80 00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:23,120 Speaker 1: and then there's a bit of a drop off and 81 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:27,679 Speaker 1: you're really looking you know, second, mid second to third round. 82 00:04:27,839 --> 00:04:29,360 Speaker 1: Well that's why I don't I don't know, there's the 83 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:32,279 Speaker 1: late first round pass rusher unless one falls right and 84 00:04:32,279 --> 00:04:34,320 Speaker 1: and he tour gross Matos is an example of a 85 00:04:34,320 --> 00:04:36,560 Speaker 1: guy who has been mocked with the Ravens at that range. 86 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:38,520 Speaker 1: He might be there, he might not, But a lot 87 00:04:38,560 --> 00:04:40,600 Speaker 1: of people haven't gon in to Seattle right before Baltimore 88 00:04:40,760 --> 00:04:44,719 Speaker 1: right and I I'm not convinced that he would be 89 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:47,600 Speaker 1: worth that pick versus a guy that you could get 90 00:04:47,640 --> 00:04:51,360 Speaker 1: in the second round. Yeah, at that position, Yeah, I 91 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:56,240 Speaker 1: think that's fair. Um, another guy, he was a pass rusher, 92 00:04:56,760 --> 00:04:58,880 Speaker 1: and I want to get into this is a larger 93 00:04:58,920 --> 00:05:03,640 Speaker 1: discussion about combine fallers. Yes, we spend so much time. Yeah, 94 00:05:03,680 --> 00:05:06,680 Speaker 1: we send so much time talking about the guys who impressed. 95 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:08,680 Speaker 1: What about the guys who didn't. Sometimes that can be 96 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:12,000 Speaker 1: a bargain. Hello, Lord Lando Brown, I'll take another one 97 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:14,680 Speaker 1: of this. Hello Tourell Sugs, Hello Turell Sugs. Nice to 98 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:21,160 Speaker 1: meet you. So what about I was a j Epinesza. Yeah, 99 00:05:21,200 --> 00:05:23,640 Speaker 1: this is a guy. He's big, you know, six five 100 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:26,560 Speaker 1: to seventy five, was productive in college. He's got college 101 00:05:26,560 --> 00:05:29,720 Speaker 1: production twenty six and a half sacks in college, but 102 00:05:30,200 --> 00:05:32,640 Speaker 1: he is now sort of. He ran in the fives 103 00:05:32,800 --> 00:05:36,640 Speaker 1: for his so not a great forty time by any 104 00:05:36,680 --> 00:05:38,839 Speaker 1: stretch of the imagination. And so do you worry about 105 00:05:38,839 --> 00:05:42,600 Speaker 1: his athleticism? Um, And he was a guy that a 106 00:05:42,640 --> 00:05:44,359 Speaker 1: lot of people kind of felt going into the combine, 107 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:47,479 Speaker 1: you know, early in the projections top twenty pick potentially 108 00:05:47,720 --> 00:05:50,880 Speaker 1: now a lot you look at the you look at 109 00:05:50,880 --> 00:05:52,360 Speaker 1: the mocks, and a lot of him have him out. 110 00:05:52,520 --> 00:05:55,400 Speaker 1: And so the Ravens have always said that they are 111 00:05:55,440 --> 00:05:57,440 Speaker 1: a team that values the tape above all else. The 112 00:05:57,440 --> 00:06:00,000 Speaker 1: combine sort of confirms what you see on the tape, 113 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:01,640 Speaker 1: and if it's completely different, then you've got to take 114 00:06:01,640 --> 00:06:05,240 Speaker 1: another look. So all that could be an indication that 115 00:06:06,920 --> 00:06:09,160 Speaker 1: he says I kept screwing up, keep screwing up last name, 116 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:12,960 Speaker 1: and I'm just gonna call him a j that that 117 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:19,320 Speaker 1: could make sense. Um, but do you see that well 118 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:21,839 Speaker 1: he would be. I think he's less of an edge 119 00:06:21,880 --> 00:06:24,440 Speaker 1: player as he is, almost like you want to talk 120 00:06:24,440 --> 00:06:26,839 Speaker 1: about a defensive lineman who can get after the quarterback 121 00:06:26,839 --> 00:06:29,000 Speaker 1: a little bit. The Ravens need that. Maybe he could 122 00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:31,160 Speaker 1: be more of a d end in the Ravens, the 123 00:06:31,240 --> 00:06:34,560 Speaker 1: Chris Warmly position, kind of Brent Urban exactly. He's a 124 00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:36,920 Speaker 1: bigger guy, yeah, I mean, he's not as big as 125 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:40,400 Speaker 1: Brent urban Um. But yeah, he's a big guy, so 126 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:44,200 Speaker 1: I could see that making some sense. I mean, the 127 00:06:44,279 --> 00:06:48,040 Speaker 1: Ravens value production, you know, getting after the quarterback. So 128 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:52,360 Speaker 1: maybe maybe the combine just confirmed he's not your edge guy, right, 129 00:06:52,440 --> 00:06:54,520 Speaker 1: you know, but if he's putting the right position, he 130 00:06:54,520 --> 00:06:56,560 Speaker 1: could be a real asset, right Yeah, I mean I 131 00:06:56,560 --> 00:06:59,640 Speaker 1: think that's fair. He put him in the defensive end position. Um, 132 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:01,800 Speaker 1: you're I think you're not asking him to set the 133 00:07:01,880 --> 00:07:04,240 Speaker 1: edge and then just attack as an outside pass rusher. 134 00:07:04,360 --> 00:07:07,440 Speaker 1: He could be provide some material rush. So yeah. Another 135 00:07:07,480 --> 00:07:09,480 Speaker 1: guy that I look at that in that same kind 136 00:07:09,480 --> 00:07:14,400 Speaker 1: of category is wide receiver uh leaviscos Chenault Jr. From Colorado, 137 00:07:14,440 --> 00:07:17,640 Speaker 1: who had suffered a core muscle injury during the season 138 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:21,080 Speaker 1: and uh didn't get it taken care of, and it 139 00:07:21,160 --> 00:07:23,280 Speaker 1: was it was a lingering problem, and then he decided 140 00:07:23,280 --> 00:07:26,000 Speaker 1: he's still going to compete at the combine, uh and 141 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:29,080 Speaker 1: then get surgery afterwards. He ran a four or five 142 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:31,920 Speaker 1: eight at the combine For a speed guy, that's that's 143 00:07:31,960 --> 00:07:36,960 Speaker 1: not a good time. Um, So he might potentially because 144 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:39,720 Speaker 1: of that tumble a little bit. I mean I think 145 00:07:39,720 --> 00:07:41,680 Speaker 1: people know he had the injury and that was part 146 00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:45,360 Speaker 1: of the reason. But when so many wide receivers in 147 00:07:45,360 --> 00:07:48,240 Speaker 1: a deep class stood out for the right reasons, to 148 00:07:48,400 --> 00:07:51,200 Speaker 1: not stand out might mean that you fall down a 149 00:07:51,200 --> 00:07:53,840 Speaker 1: couple of pegs in the pecking order. There. Um, the 150 00:07:53,840 --> 00:07:55,840 Speaker 1: injuries could scare some you know, it's not like it's 151 00:07:55,880 --> 00:07:57,960 Speaker 1: a career threatening injury, but it could scare some people. 152 00:07:57,960 --> 00:08:00,520 Speaker 1: If he's gonna miss the next two months, yeah, you know, 153 00:08:00,640 --> 00:08:03,320 Speaker 1: so if you draft him, you know, maybe he's not 154 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:06,320 Speaker 1: ready for rookie camp. Rookie camp, and you know, maybe 155 00:08:06,320 --> 00:08:08,200 Speaker 1: he's you got to ease him on. He's him along, 156 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:11,880 Speaker 1: which may cause some teams to say that's that's pasted 157 00:08:11,920 --> 00:08:14,040 Speaker 1: to me. I think it's sometimes and I don't know 158 00:08:14,080 --> 00:08:16,680 Speaker 1: how much this actually factors into the draft process, but 159 00:08:16,720 --> 00:08:19,160 Speaker 1: it's who's buzzing and who's not right. And when you 160 00:08:19,240 --> 00:08:21,760 Speaker 1: run that kind of time and you have surgery, you're 161 00:08:21,760 --> 00:08:25,520 Speaker 1: not buzzing in the other direction. But yeah, now on 162 00:08:25,560 --> 00:08:28,280 Speaker 1: the flip side, Marcus Brown didn't compete at the Combine 163 00:08:28,320 --> 00:08:32,080 Speaker 1: at all, had off season surgery to major and anything, 164 00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:35,040 Speaker 1: and was the first wide receiver off the board, so 165 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:37,319 Speaker 1: and turned out to be a pretty darn good player. 166 00:08:37,880 --> 00:08:40,839 Speaker 1: So I don't know how much that factors in, but 167 00:08:41,320 --> 00:08:45,520 Speaker 1: according to Todd mcsha he had Levisca Chenault as a 168 00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:48,040 Speaker 1: second round prospect to begin with and still has him 169 00:08:48,040 --> 00:08:50,600 Speaker 1: in the second round. I just think that maybe this 170 00:08:50,720 --> 00:08:53,920 Speaker 1: could push him to the later second round where maybe 171 00:08:53,960 --> 00:08:55,679 Speaker 1: he's of interest to the Ravens. I think if you 172 00:08:55,720 --> 00:08:58,160 Speaker 1: were to get him laying the second round to be 173 00:08:58,160 --> 00:09:00,360 Speaker 1: a steel what he what he is is the run 174 00:09:00,360 --> 00:09:03,040 Speaker 1: after catch guy, which I think would be a great addition. 175 00:09:03,280 --> 00:09:06,320 Speaker 1: Daniel Jeremiah talked about him actually potentially being a guy 176 00:09:06,360 --> 00:09:08,080 Speaker 1: that could fit the Ravens in terms of what they 177 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:10,280 Speaker 1: want to do. You want to surround Hollywood and more 178 00:09:10,280 --> 00:09:13,000 Speaker 1: playmakers on this offense. You want to kind of find 179 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:14,720 Speaker 1: guys you can be creative and getting them the ball, 180 00:09:14,760 --> 00:09:17,199 Speaker 1: maybe a bubble screen slants. Well, yeah, he's the guy 181 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:19,280 Speaker 1: who's really going to an end rounds reversus. You can 182 00:09:19,280 --> 00:09:21,200 Speaker 1: line him up in the backfield like a wildcat, and 183 00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:23,280 Speaker 1: you know, yes, I don't know that i'd recommend doing 184 00:09:23,280 --> 00:09:26,440 Speaker 1: that when you have lam Mark Jackson, but but anyway, 185 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:28,920 Speaker 1: he can do a lot of things to create mismatch problems. 186 00:09:28,920 --> 00:09:30,840 Speaker 1: And I think to your point, run after catches, what 187 00:09:30,880 --> 00:09:34,319 Speaker 1: the Ravens don't have, right, Hollywood stretched the field vertically, 188 00:09:34,559 --> 00:09:38,800 Speaker 1: big play guy, but Hollywood runs away from contact. And 189 00:09:38,840 --> 00:09:43,640 Speaker 1: I like that about him right here when he gets squashed. Um, 190 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:46,080 Speaker 1: the Visca is a very different player. He will run 191 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:49,199 Speaker 1: through contact a round contact. The Ravens just don't have that. 192 00:09:49,240 --> 00:09:51,520 Speaker 1: I mean, Willis Need. You know, he's a tough guy. 193 00:09:51,559 --> 00:09:53,880 Speaker 1: He can get through some contexts things like that. But 194 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:57,720 Speaker 1: I think that Channault is a playmaker in a different 195 00:09:57,800 --> 00:10:02,760 Speaker 1: sort of mold everybody. Everybody keeps talking about, oh, well, 196 00:10:02,880 --> 00:10:04,800 Speaker 1: you know, the Ravens want this big bodied guy. I 197 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:07,280 Speaker 1: don't know that I necessarily sign up for that. I 198 00:10:07,360 --> 00:10:11,120 Speaker 1: just think it's like Joe Ortis said, Marquis Brown, is 199 00:10:11,160 --> 00:10:14,640 Speaker 1: the mold now playmaker. You can track the ball, You're 200 00:10:14,640 --> 00:10:19,320 Speaker 1: gonna go up and make plays. Yeah, it's not necessarily 201 00:10:19,360 --> 00:10:21,280 Speaker 1: a size it's not a size thing. You can come 202 00:10:21,320 --> 00:10:24,040 Speaker 1: in all different packages everybody. And I feel like all 203 00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:26,040 Speaker 1: Ravens fans have been clamoring for a six ft three 204 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:30,280 Speaker 1: wide receiver for however long, and they've taken shots right right, 205 00:10:30,559 --> 00:10:33,120 Speaker 1: I mean, Julil Scott, maybe he'll paint out, you know. 206 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:35,839 Speaker 1: I mean, we've had big wide receivers here who haven't. 207 00:10:35,880 --> 00:10:38,880 Speaker 1: Tommy Streeter is another example. Boykin is a pretty big 208 00:10:38,920 --> 00:10:43,000 Speaker 1: guy and maybe he'll be really good, you know. So, Um, 209 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:45,839 Speaker 1: I just think it's interesting and and I want to 210 00:10:45,880 --> 00:10:47,600 Speaker 1: point out one other thing with wide receiver that we 211 00:10:47,600 --> 00:10:49,240 Speaker 1: were talking about the other day. This is what we 212 00:10:49,240 --> 00:10:51,360 Speaker 1: do in the lounge. We have conversations as we walked 213 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:53,480 Speaker 1: to and from lunch we're at lunch, and then we 214 00:10:53,559 --> 00:10:54,880 Speaker 1: just sort of like, yeah, we should talk about that 215 00:10:54,880 --> 00:10:57,800 Speaker 1: a lot, right, So what we're talking about is like, 216 00:10:58,559 --> 00:11:01,240 Speaker 1: how important the evaluation of Miles Waken is. Yeah, Eric 217 00:11:01,320 --> 00:11:03,640 Speaker 1: Cossa spoke very highly. If I'm expects him to take 218 00:11:03,640 --> 00:11:05,920 Speaker 1: a big year to jump year to jump, and so 219 00:11:06,880 --> 00:11:11,280 Speaker 1: obviously they value him. How much kind of depends on 220 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:14,400 Speaker 1: how much you're willing to invest in the wide receiver 221 00:11:14,480 --> 00:11:16,840 Speaker 1: position this offseason. Right, If you think Boyken is going 222 00:11:16,920 --> 00:11:19,959 Speaker 1: to be the number two starter, you're pretty confident in him, 223 00:11:20,040 --> 00:11:22,079 Speaker 1: very confident in that year to jump, Well, then you 224 00:11:22,120 --> 00:11:24,160 Speaker 1: don't have to take a wide receiver in vest necessarily 225 00:11:24,200 --> 00:11:26,200 Speaker 1: in the first two rounds, or spend a lot of 226 00:11:26,200 --> 00:11:27,760 Speaker 1: money in free agency or whatnot. Not that I think 227 00:11:27,760 --> 00:11:28,960 Speaker 1: they're going to spend a lot of money on a 228 00:11:28,960 --> 00:11:33,560 Speaker 1: wide receiver anyway. Um, so that's something we're kind of 229 00:11:33,559 --> 00:11:36,280 Speaker 1: talking about. Here's how I think the Ravens are going 230 00:11:36,320 --> 00:11:39,360 Speaker 1: to look at the wide receiver situation is, Yeah, but 231 00:11:39,520 --> 00:11:41,480 Speaker 1: boy Can be could be really good. But you know what, 232 00:11:42,080 --> 00:11:44,840 Speaker 1: we're not gonna just sit on that and just count 233 00:11:44,840 --> 00:11:48,120 Speaker 1: on that. We're gonna add another really good young playmaker 234 00:11:48,200 --> 00:11:50,920 Speaker 1: to grow up with Lamar and with Boyken, and I'll 235 00:11:51,040 --> 00:11:54,160 Speaker 1: end with Hollywood and all these guys. And heck, if 236 00:11:54,320 --> 00:11:57,000 Speaker 1: the guy that we draft this year and boy Can 237 00:11:57,040 --> 00:11:59,640 Speaker 1: both are really good, well then we got three, you know, 238 00:11:59,760 --> 00:12:02,480 Speaker 1: three therefore a really good wide receivers, including Willie sneed 239 00:12:02,520 --> 00:12:06,120 Speaker 1: you know, like just more riches. So I don't think 240 00:12:06,160 --> 00:12:10,960 Speaker 1: that Miles Boykin showed enough to say we're said at 241 00:12:10,960 --> 00:12:13,720 Speaker 1: wide receiver, you know, wash your hands, we're done, don't 242 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:16,200 Speaker 1: need to draft one. But I also think he's promising 243 00:12:16,320 --> 00:12:18,800 Speaker 1: enough where you don't have to to say, oh, we 244 00:12:18,880 --> 00:12:21,400 Speaker 1: have a glaring need here. It's just you still add 245 00:12:21,480 --> 00:12:24,880 Speaker 1: more pieces, and you you add some some pieces that 246 00:12:24,920 --> 00:12:27,000 Speaker 1: are going to compete for that job. Yeah, and I 247 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:29,720 Speaker 1: I there's reason to believe that Boykin's gonna take a 248 00:12:29,760 --> 00:12:31,199 Speaker 1: jump when you drafted him, you knew he was a 249 00:12:31,240 --> 00:12:33,400 Speaker 1: bit of a raw prospect, and so with all the 250 00:12:33,400 --> 00:12:35,280 Speaker 1: tools and he blew up the combine last year. Yeah, 251 00:12:35,280 --> 00:12:36,840 Speaker 1: so I think that there's reasonably that he will take 252 00:12:36,840 --> 00:12:38,120 Speaker 1: a job. And I agree with what you just said. 253 00:12:38,120 --> 00:12:39,280 Speaker 1: The other thing I would say, just in terms of 254 00:12:39,360 --> 00:12:42,120 Speaker 1: s we're sorting out where guys are. I think it's 255 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:44,880 Speaker 1: important to remember, like, go back last year, everyone thought 256 00:12:44,960 --> 00:12:47,800 Speaker 1: DK metcalf at this point last year, man's no way 257 00:12:47,840 --> 00:12:50,839 Speaker 1: the Ravens have a chance at him, right, No way, 258 00:12:50,840 --> 00:12:52,440 Speaker 1: he's gonna be gone. He has such a great combine, 259 00:12:52,559 --> 00:12:54,760 Speaker 1: he ends up. Ravens passed on him twice, he ends 260 00:12:54,800 --> 00:12:56,800 Speaker 1: up going at the bottom of the second round. Well 261 00:12:56,840 --> 00:12:58,319 Speaker 1: we didn't have a secon round, pig. Oh sorry, sorry. 262 00:12:58,360 --> 00:12:59,880 Speaker 1: The Ravens have passed sometimes, but he end up falling 263 00:12:59,920 --> 00:13:03,199 Speaker 1: to second round. And so I just think that you 264 00:13:03,280 --> 00:13:05,480 Speaker 1: kind of need to let the dust settle after the combine. 265 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:08,040 Speaker 1: There's like so much immediate reaction and risers are following, 266 00:13:08,600 --> 00:13:10,040 Speaker 1: and so I think you need to kind of let 267 00:13:10,040 --> 00:13:12,120 Speaker 1: that settle. Now. With that, says some of the risers 268 00:13:12,280 --> 00:13:16,280 Speaker 1: from the combine. One guy who I mentioned in too 269 00:13:16,320 --> 00:13:18,280 Speaker 1: offensive linement, I did this series about two guys who 270 00:13:18,280 --> 00:13:20,640 Speaker 1: could fit the Ravens of different positions. I did offensive 271 00:13:20,640 --> 00:13:24,520 Speaker 1: Line and I mentioned Tristan Wharfs from Iowa Forget It Done. 272 00:13:24,960 --> 00:13:29,160 Speaker 1: But the DK Metcalf No. I My hope was that 273 00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:32,240 Speaker 1: he didn't have a great combine. He had a great combine, um, 274 00:13:32,320 --> 00:13:35,040 Speaker 1: and he's gonna be long gone, So no shot that 275 00:13:35,080 --> 00:13:38,280 Speaker 1: he's going to be there um for the Ravens. UM. 276 00:13:38,320 --> 00:13:40,280 Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be really interesting what happens in 277 00:13:40,600 --> 00:13:43,040 Speaker 1: with Queen and Murray. There seems to be like no 278 00:13:43,120 --> 00:13:46,440 Speaker 1: consensus right now. Jeremy has both of those guys gone 279 00:13:46,760 --> 00:13:50,160 Speaker 1: before the Ravens pick at eight. Tommy Shay has both 280 00:13:50,200 --> 00:13:53,719 Speaker 1: of them there, So like, that's a really interesting conversation. 281 00:13:54,440 --> 00:13:57,560 Speaker 1: Has Kenneth Murray out of the first round entirely right? 282 00:13:58,360 --> 00:14:01,160 Speaker 1: I don't think that's gonna have shaken or I don't 283 00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:04,040 Speaker 1: think that's gonna happen. Ken Murray, by the way, is 284 00:14:04,160 --> 00:14:07,000 Speaker 1: might be the most incredible guy, what might have been 285 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:09,960 Speaker 1: the most incredible guy at the copbine his story. It's 286 00:14:10,040 --> 00:14:12,960 Speaker 1: just we walk away from his press conference and I 287 00:14:12,960 --> 00:14:14,719 Speaker 1: think every single reporter there was like, is this guy 288 00:14:14,760 --> 00:14:17,040 Speaker 1: for real? This is a real person's like the Tim 289 00:14:17,040 --> 00:14:19,240 Speaker 1: Tebow of the draft. He is. He is exactly the 290 00:14:19,240 --> 00:14:22,720 Speaker 1: Tim Tebow of the draft. His mom retired police officer. 291 00:14:22,840 --> 00:14:26,600 Speaker 1: His father is a pastor. Uh. They've adopted three special 292 00:14:26,640 --> 00:14:30,480 Speaker 1: needs children, um that were as part of his family's church. 293 00:14:30,800 --> 00:14:33,040 Speaker 1: And the kids were gonna be lost into the system 294 00:14:33,080 --> 00:14:35,120 Speaker 1: and given into foster care, so they said we'll take him. 295 00:14:35,120 --> 00:14:39,120 Speaker 1: On major health issues, Kenneth helped raise them. He literally 296 00:14:39,160 --> 00:14:41,280 Speaker 1: saved a woman's life in a different story. I mean, 297 00:14:41,320 --> 00:14:43,840 Speaker 1: the guy's like he says, he models his game after 298 00:14:43,880 --> 00:14:47,000 Speaker 1: Ray lewis like every every every box. You know, the 299 00:14:47,080 --> 00:14:49,360 Speaker 1: Ravens talking about restar guys you put the sticker nextually 300 00:14:49,360 --> 00:14:51,240 Speaker 1: the guy who excels off the field. He is the 301 00:14:51,280 --> 00:14:53,320 Speaker 1: definition of that. He is the son of all the 302 00:14:53,320 --> 00:14:55,440 Speaker 1: they're gonna put. They're gonna put his little picture, his 303 00:14:55,480 --> 00:14:59,640 Speaker 1: little face on all those Uh. He would be incredible 304 00:14:59,680 --> 00:15:01,560 Speaker 1: if he's there. I would have a hard time seeing 305 00:15:01,560 --> 00:15:04,280 Speaker 1: the Raven's pass on Murray. Yeah. Well, now the debate 306 00:15:04,360 --> 00:15:08,240 Speaker 1: is Murray versus Queen. You know, like you said mcshaye, right, 307 00:15:08,400 --> 00:15:11,960 Speaker 1: Queen over Murray. I tried to ask him why I 308 00:15:11,960 --> 00:15:13,840 Speaker 1: couldn't get the question in so we're hoping to get 309 00:15:13,880 --> 00:15:16,880 Speaker 1: him on the pot. Right, Queen has seems to have 310 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:19,720 Speaker 1: higher upside one year of production, but he might see 311 00:15:20,200 --> 00:15:23,880 Speaker 1: a little faster, potentially a little more athletic, though a 312 00:15:23,880 --> 00:15:27,280 Speaker 1: little smaller. Right, Um, but maybe seems to be that 313 00:15:27,320 --> 00:15:29,560 Speaker 1: new age linebacker. But Murray is also the new age linebacker. 314 00:15:29,600 --> 00:15:33,360 Speaker 1: They're very similar, very exactly exactly the notion that like, 315 00:15:33,640 --> 00:15:37,280 Speaker 1: Murray's this big downhill thumper, Well, Queen is the sideline sidelo, 316 00:15:37,480 --> 00:15:40,000 Speaker 1: that's not the case. They're both sidelined sidelines. Sack. I 317 00:15:40,040 --> 00:15:44,520 Speaker 1: think they're similar. Um, I would probably shade towards Murray. 318 00:15:44,640 --> 00:15:53,640 Speaker 1: Um get by the story. Oh yeah, yes, the whole 319 00:15:53,720 --> 00:15:56,440 Speaker 1: the whole thing. He was just incredible. I was ready 320 00:15:56,480 --> 00:15:58,840 Speaker 1: to draft him right there. Uh. Here's another thing that 321 00:15:59,120 --> 00:16:02,120 Speaker 1: I've seen since a combine and going back to Daniel 322 00:16:02,160 --> 00:16:06,800 Speaker 1: Jeremiah and this surprised me because DeAndre Swift, the running 323 00:16:06,800 --> 00:16:11,200 Speaker 1: back from Georgia, mocked to the Ravens at after the combine. 324 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:15,440 Speaker 1: Do you see there being any shot in hell at 325 00:16:15,440 --> 00:16:17,640 Speaker 1: the Ravens draft of first round running. I've also seen 326 00:16:17,720 --> 00:16:22,720 Speaker 1: Jonathan Taylor to the Ravens andin the combine, I don't 327 00:16:22,720 --> 00:16:24,840 Speaker 1: see it. I just don't see it as I look 328 00:16:24,920 --> 00:16:29,120 Speaker 1: at a snowball's chance. I don't think so. Erica Costa said, look, 329 00:16:29,160 --> 00:16:31,040 Speaker 1: but he said, we want to at every position, you know, 330 00:16:31,040 --> 00:16:35,080 Speaker 1: basically accept quarterback on the event. So, um, I just 331 00:16:35,120 --> 00:16:37,360 Speaker 1: don't see running back marketing was gonna be the starting 332 00:16:37,400 --> 00:16:39,520 Speaker 1: running back this year? You feel good about Gus Edwards. 333 00:16:39,520 --> 00:16:40,840 Speaker 1: I think he can maybe even get a little bit 334 00:16:40,880 --> 00:16:43,560 Speaker 1: more action. Justice very pro bus around here. Yeah, you 335 00:16:43,640 --> 00:16:47,120 Speaker 1: know everyone knows that Justice Hill uh showed flashes and 336 00:16:47,200 --> 00:16:49,160 Speaker 1: de Costa spoke very highly of him last year. He 337 00:16:49,200 --> 00:16:50,960 Speaker 1: was one of the stars of the combine last season. 338 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:52,520 Speaker 1: So if you're gonna ever give him a shot to 339 00:16:52,560 --> 00:16:55,800 Speaker 1: be more of a more than any change your face back, Yeah, 340 00:16:55,960 --> 00:16:57,880 Speaker 1: like if you want to get him more evolved. Late 341 00:16:57,880 --> 00:16:59,480 Speaker 1: in the season, they started to and he and he 342 00:16:59,520 --> 00:17:01,880 Speaker 1: showed yeah, and I liked them. Right, And so if 343 00:17:01,880 --> 00:17:05,600 Speaker 1: you if you draft DeAndre Swift or Jonathan Taylor, then 344 00:17:06,600 --> 00:17:08,920 Speaker 1: what did you get a red shirt? Here? What happens? 345 00:17:08,960 --> 00:17:12,080 Speaker 1: What happens to the bus? Right? What happens? Like I 346 00:17:12,359 --> 00:17:14,479 Speaker 1: know Ingram is not probably gonna you know, he's not 347 00:17:14,560 --> 00:17:16,080 Speaker 1: like going to be the running back for five years 348 00:17:16,080 --> 00:17:17,920 Speaker 1: from now, but like he's going to be the starting 349 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:20,320 Speaker 1: running back this year right now. The counterpoint is that 350 00:17:20,359 --> 00:17:22,280 Speaker 1: the Ravens run the ball more than any team in 351 00:17:22,280 --> 00:17:24,720 Speaker 1: the NFL by a wide margin, and there's just enough 352 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:27,280 Speaker 1: to go around. There were times last year where fans 353 00:17:27,320 --> 00:17:29,520 Speaker 1: and us included, were saying, let's get let's get Gus 354 00:17:29,520 --> 00:17:31,760 Speaker 1: the bus, some more ketch, some more touches, let's get 355 00:17:31,840 --> 00:17:34,600 Speaker 1: him more involved. And then we had fan questions every 356 00:17:34,600 --> 00:17:39,320 Speaker 1: single week. You have fan questions every single week on 357 00:17:39,400 --> 00:17:41,959 Speaker 1: mail bag. Hey, what's gonna take to get Justice Hill 358 00:17:41,960 --> 00:17:44,600 Speaker 1: more involved? Let's see more Justice Hill. So so the 359 00:17:44,680 --> 00:17:50,680 Speaker 1: Ravens had nearly five six rushing attempts last year, So 360 00:17:50,800 --> 00:17:53,920 Speaker 1: you give four running backs, Well, Lamars are running back 361 00:17:54,359 --> 00:17:56,879 Speaker 1: and you're not gonna give Justice is the equal share 362 00:17:56,920 --> 00:18:01,479 Speaker 1: with this mark. Let's say so let's say Lamar gets 363 00:18:02,480 --> 00:18:04,359 Speaker 1: I mean, how do you have a hundred fifty? Do 364 00:18:04,440 --> 00:18:07,600 Speaker 1: you have a range? Yeah, something like that. So he 365 00:18:07,640 --> 00:18:10,800 Speaker 1: takes up a quarter of him. Ingram's got two hundred. 366 00:18:11,560 --> 00:18:13,240 Speaker 1: It's hard to I mean, I agree with you, it's 367 00:18:13,240 --> 00:18:15,920 Speaker 1: hard to see. And like in and like Ingram is 368 00:18:15,920 --> 00:18:18,240 Speaker 1: gonna be anger, was gonna be the bell cow again? 369 00:18:18,280 --> 00:18:20,840 Speaker 1: This year, and he did a great job in that role. 370 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:22,840 Speaker 1: Last year he was fantastic. He was a bull bowler, 371 00:18:23,040 --> 00:18:25,320 Speaker 1: he's he was a great player. So I don't know, 372 00:18:25,359 --> 00:18:29,840 Speaker 1: I just don't see that being the pick of a 373 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:33,480 Speaker 1: fourth round running back. You know, you take another shot, 374 00:18:33,560 --> 00:18:36,080 Speaker 1: like Justice Hill was a fourth round running back last year. 375 00:18:36,119 --> 00:18:39,600 Speaker 1: You take a shot at another guy who maybe isn't 376 00:18:39,640 --> 00:18:42,840 Speaker 1: as uh, you know, Justice is really a small built 377 00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:44,960 Speaker 1: speed guy. Like maybe this is more of a shot 378 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:47,960 Speaker 1: at all around running back. You maybe could potentially take over, 379 00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:51,159 Speaker 1: you know, for Gus being a number two back the 380 00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:54,640 Speaker 1: following year or this upcoming season, or and then take 381 00:18:54,680 --> 00:18:56,920 Speaker 1: over from Mark long term. Potentially you're taking a shot 382 00:18:56,920 --> 00:18:58,719 Speaker 1: at that or one of those. Like it's not like 383 00:18:58,760 --> 00:19:02,399 Speaker 1: that running back is is s Kwon Barkley? You know, 384 00:19:02,440 --> 00:19:04,280 Speaker 1: like the end of the first is the end of 385 00:19:04,280 --> 00:19:07,199 Speaker 1: the first running back? Well, and there's not really a 386 00:19:07,240 --> 00:19:09,320 Speaker 1: consensus right now who the top guy is, right, is 387 00:19:09,320 --> 00:19:12,400 Speaker 1: DeAndre Swift head head and shoulders above the kid out 388 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:17,359 Speaker 1: of Nebraska, right? Or Wisconsin or Wisconsin right? I just 389 00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:20,000 Speaker 1: don't know if you can get a stud a stud 390 00:19:20,080 --> 00:19:23,600 Speaker 1: Zeke Elliott, sa Kwon Barkley, how those teams fair this year, 391 00:19:23,640 --> 00:19:26,000 Speaker 1: by the way. Yeah, well the kid who went to 392 00:19:26,040 --> 00:19:30,600 Speaker 1: Oakland last year, Yeah, Jobs has really talked about a 393 00:19:30,680 --> 00:19:32,400 Speaker 1: lot to the Ravens. I liked him a lot, Yeah, 394 00:19:32,520 --> 00:19:35,119 Speaker 1: I like I like him a lot. Another team. You know, 395 00:19:35,840 --> 00:19:37,600 Speaker 1: I don't know. I think that there's still a question 396 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:40,000 Speaker 1: about the value of a first round running back, and 397 00:19:40,080 --> 00:19:41,639 Speaker 1: I just don't see that being the kids, given that 398 00:19:41,680 --> 00:19:44,080 Speaker 1: the Rams already have three or three really good running backs. 399 00:19:44,720 --> 00:19:48,520 Speaker 1: I would agree with that. I would agree with that. Um. 400 00:19:47,840 --> 00:19:50,520 Speaker 1: I do want to I do want to circle back 401 00:19:50,560 --> 00:19:53,760 Speaker 1: really quick before we go, just to the wide receivers, 402 00:19:53,760 --> 00:19:57,040 Speaker 1: because it's a popular subject. I think that the success 403 00:19:57,080 --> 00:20:00,520 Speaker 1: in recent years drafting at wide receiver the asked two 404 00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:03,199 Speaker 1: drafts you've hit, had a lot of hits at wide receiver, 405 00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:07,280 Speaker 1: is going to influence how the wide receivers come off 406 00:20:07,280 --> 00:20:11,080 Speaker 1: the board. You know, It's no longer kind of like, yeah, 407 00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:16,360 Speaker 1: this gamble that you saw in the fourteen fifteen drafts. 408 00:20:16,560 --> 00:20:21,920 Speaker 1: You know, teams O'Dell sixteen. You've had some a couple 409 00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:24,800 Speaker 1: of really good drafts in a row now, and this 410 00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:27,320 Speaker 1: year looks like it's gonna be another one. I think 411 00:20:27,320 --> 00:20:28,879 Speaker 1: the Ravens are going to cash in on that and 412 00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:31,800 Speaker 1: take some more shots and draft at least one wide 413 00:20:31,800 --> 00:20:33,840 Speaker 1: receiver in this year's draft. Eric Causa said at least 414 00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:36,760 Speaker 1: one ride receiver, offensive lineman, and defensive linemen slash d 415 00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:41,560 Speaker 1: n um So. I think that's interesting to watch, and 416 00:20:41,600 --> 00:20:45,240 Speaker 1: I think it's interesting to ask why why have the 417 00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:47,240 Speaker 1: wide receiver has done so much better in the past 418 00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:49,840 Speaker 1: two years. And I think part of it is good coaching. 419 00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:52,040 Speaker 1: I think that's part of it. On the Ravens side too, 420 00:20:52,119 --> 00:20:54,000 Speaker 1: I think that's part of it. I think, you know, 421 00:20:54,040 --> 00:20:57,040 Speaker 1: the other is the kind of the global college football 422 00:20:57,080 --> 00:20:59,879 Speaker 1: has moved too much more. That's been happening for the 423 00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:01,800 Speaker 1: We've been talking about that for a decade. Yeah, but 424 00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:03,720 Speaker 1: I think it's not like I don't think it's just 425 00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:05,399 Speaker 1: passed few yards in a cloud of dust anymore. I 426 00:21:07,119 --> 00:21:10,560 Speaker 1: think that it's just the overall the pro game looks 427 00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:13,000 Speaker 1: a lot more, much more like the college game. I 428 00:21:13,040 --> 00:21:14,960 Speaker 1: agree with that, but I think that's more a credit 429 00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:18,320 Speaker 1: to the NFL coaches adapting. Yeah, yeah, adapting, right, It's 430 00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:21,639 Speaker 1: it's it's like flowing upward, yes, And I think Greg 431 00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:24,280 Speaker 1: Roman talked about it like making the whole system much 432 00:21:24,280 --> 00:21:26,240 Speaker 1: more college friendly. Two guys who are coming in so 433 00:21:26,280 --> 00:21:28,399 Speaker 1: they can have quick success. I think we've seen a 434 00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:31,360 Speaker 1: lot of that, and John Harball, Greg Room and their 435 00:21:31,359 --> 00:21:32,840 Speaker 1: staff deserve a lot of credit for that. And I 436 00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:34,720 Speaker 1: think Eric the cost is going to give him smart 437 00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:37,959 Speaker 1: I agree with that. All right, So now let's up 438 00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:41,000 Speaker 1: to the topic that we're most excited. Yes, yes, this 439 00:21:41,040 --> 00:21:44,479 Speaker 1: is what I wanted. Let's just biding time to get 440 00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:46,760 Speaker 1: to this interview. Yes. Uh, now, let's welcome in the 441 00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:50,760 Speaker 1: Vice President of Finance, Jim Kohler to hopefully I'm counting 442 00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:53,080 Speaker 1: on Jim here to back me up. Don't do it, Jim, 443 00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:56,840 Speaker 1: back me up with my expense report? All right, Jim, Well, 444 00:21:56,880 --> 00:21:59,000 Speaker 1: we brought you in here. This is the part we're 445 00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:03,199 Speaker 1: really excited about, the best part. We're we need to 446 00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:08,159 Speaker 1: settle something here because Garrett is just delinquent when it 447 00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:13,159 Speaker 1: comes to his expense reports, specifically the Combine. Okay, and 448 00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:15,520 Speaker 1: you'd be in the VP of finance. You are the 449 00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:19,919 Speaker 1: one that kind of approves or rejects these claims. Correct, Okay, 450 00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:24,480 Speaker 1: you're the gatekeeper. How bad We'll just start here. How 451 00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:26,840 Speaker 1: bad is Garrett in terms of trying to stay on 452 00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:31,439 Speaker 1: budget while at the Combine I reviewed his expense report 453 00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:34,159 Speaker 1: that was just submitted and I had I looked at 454 00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:37,080 Speaker 1: it very closely, and I have to say he stayed 455 00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:41,760 Speaker 1: with him. Yes, yeah, there was nothing in there that 456 00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:46,919 Speaker 1: was There was nothing in there that was, nothing in 457 00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:51,280 Speaker 1: there that was out. How we can talk about the 458 00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:55,760 Speaker 1: almost yes, let's talk about what was this specifically for 459 00:22:55,800 --> 00:23:00,240 Speaker 1: st Almos do we haven't don't believe it's the final 460 00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:03,200 Speaker 1: the final takes that includes that. That's that's all. But 461 00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:13,760 Speaker 1: let's go to the receipt sive, how do you spend 462 00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:18,000 Speaker 1: a hundred and twenty five cents on yourself one person 463 00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:20,199 Speaker 1: as a noment? Well, just for the listeners who are 464 00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:24,240 Speaker 1: may be unaware, shrimp cocktail, thank you. So that's where 465 00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:26,919 Speaker 1: it starts. Which is a very nice steak, very nice 466 00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:29,480 Speaker 1: steak house in Indianapolis. Everyone goes there at the Combine 467 00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:31,359 Speaker 1: and I think they may even check the prices a 468 00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:34,240 Speaker 1: little bit more during Combine week. And so the shrimp 469 00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:39,359 Speaker 1: contain exactly exactly um, but the shrimp cocktail is what 470 00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:41,080 Speaker 1: they're known for. So everyone has to get that. It's 471 00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:45,080 Speaker 1: an appetizer. But that's twenty five dollars went to the website. 472 00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:50,240 Speaker 1: You you you might not be like, yeah, you gotta 473 00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:53,199 Speaker 1: be looking at the combine price. You gotta look at 474 00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:56,680 Speaker 1: through this. Okay, look at the combine price. Research here. 475 00:23:57,119 --> 00:23:59,480 Speaker 1: This is the venue that people are hearing me. Yeah, 476 00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:02,840 Speaker 1: So we did that, and then we did the file 477 00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:04,960 Speaker 1: at eight hours file at did you get the dry 478 00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:09,680 Speaker 1: aged not drying? Because is only fifty seven dollars, So 479 00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:12,920 Speaker 1: we're talking fifty seven plus sixteen. Now here were the 480 00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:16,399 Speaker 1: trip cocktails, science guy, but we're up to sixty three, right, 481 00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:19,200 Speaker 1: seventy three I'm sorry, right, So then you add in 482 00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:23,080 Speaker 1: I did the upgrade for the lobster biss. Now we're 483 00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:29,280 Speaker 1: talking upgrades, which was seven dollars, which lobster bis because incredible. Yes, 484 00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:33,560 Speaker 1: you're supposed to be. So then then there was then 485 00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:36,320 Speaker 1: there was one glass of wine and then ten bucks 486 00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:39,159 Speaker 1: ones I looked at no, no, no, no, those are 487 00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:43,040 Speaker 1: like minimum fifteen, that's not true combine week menu, and 488 00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:46,760 Speaker 1: then one he charged the bottles of exactly yeah, and 489 00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:49,280 Speaker 1: then and then one bottle of nineteen seventy eight reserved 490 00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:55,120 Speaker 1: on Davie exactly. Uh no, but so it was the cocktail. Yeah, 491 00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:57,680 Speaker 1: but that's that's the cocktail. While you're working, garg you 492 00:24:57,760 --> 00:25:01,760 Speaker 1: really need the cocktail. It was off hours your own 493 00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:07,880 Speaker 1: business ship, or when one glass of wine is sufice. 494 00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:11,920 Speaker 1: You know, you got to do both. A lot of 495 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:15,000 Speaker 1: league people out there, you got a social exactly exactly. 496 00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:18,000 Speaker 1: So here's here's here's the thing. And I actually put 497 00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:21,080 Speaker 1: this in the comments. Yes he did put in the comments. Yeah, 498 00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:23,639 Speaker 1: you gotta read it. I didn't bite lunch all weeks 499 00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:26,239 Speaker 1: so that I could put the money towards them smeal. Yes, 500 00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:29,240 Speaker 1: he's not the first person to do this, your boy Phil, 501 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:35,720 Speaker 1: he does that all the time. Yeah, so I brought 502 00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:38,880 Speaker 1: you brought those resources. I brought my own resources because 503 00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:40,560 Speaker 1: everyone around here is giving me a hard time about 504 00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:43,520 Speaker 1: this meal. And what I'm trying to explain is that 505 00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:45,960 Speaker 1: this is sort of this is the crown jewel of 506 00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:48,200 Speaker 1: going to the combine. Everything builds up to this. So 507 00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:51,760 Speaker 1: you say, how your meals did over the four day period? 508 00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:55,479 Speaker 1: They did average a day, but that which is how 509 00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:58,080 Speaker 1: it was just over. Yeah, that's a little on the 510 00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:01,280 Speaker 1: high side. But what is the daily There's been there's 511 00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:06,159 Speaker 1: been a lot of day. I thought was sort of 512 00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:09,800 Speaker 1: the standard per diem for food per day. Our scouts 513 00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:13,520 Speaker 1: only get fifty per day and they're on the road 514 00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:15,880 Speaker 1: all the time. But did they survive Garrett, But I'm 515 00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:20,320 Speaker 1: not a scal your on the road all the time 516 00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:24,800 Speaker 1: for kids? When I when I printed out here was 517 00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:27,320 Speaker 1: a photo of the lunch in the media room that 518 00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:31,520 Speaker 1: I basically enjoyed every day, enjoyed in a quotes, enjoyed 519 00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:36,680 Speaker 1: when you zoomed this much in on food. This is 520 00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:39,280 Speaker 1: this is if you were able to get lunch most 521 00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:41,200 Speaker 1: of the time when you're out, we're out running around, 522 00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:43,880 Speaker 1: Sam could vouch for this year. Don't even get in there, 523 00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:45,600 Speaker 1: so by the time you get in there there might 524 00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:48,120 Speaker 1: be like a pickle left on the tray that has 525 00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:52,120 Speaker 1: hair on it and coronavirus eating so so. So that's 526 00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:57,160 Speaker 1: what I also had. It was basically cliff bars, granola bars, 527 00:26:57,320 --> 00:27:00,800 Speaker 1: but zero lunches on the expensive board. Wait, let me 528 00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:03,480 Speaker 1: get did he itemize? Was this unless unless he just 529 00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:08,320 Speaker 1: threw those receipts away so that he could I've seen 530 00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:11,200 Speaker 1: all the games, Jim, Jim knows all the games. You 531 00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:14,200 Speaker 1: know the games. Yeah, No, this wasn't itomize how I'm 532 00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:17,240 Speaker 1: not believing you on the cocktail? No, yeah, not itemized, 533 00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:21,480 Speaker 1: But that's how I did the math something's off here. 534 00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:23,280 Speaker 1: But your math is not. Unwilling to do the math, 535 00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:25,760 Speaker 1: I'll do it. Your guy went to the men, you 536 00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:28,600 Speaker 1: big boy. Yeah, but your math is is that including tip? 537 00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:32,320 Speaker 1: And it's the two the two that the shrimp cocktail 538 00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:40,080 Speaker 1: is not. And then you drinks drinks. Let's say, how 539 00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:46,080 Speaker 1: do you got to get the nice wine? And yes, okay, 540 00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:51,080 Speaker 1: so what's your five dollars? You know if you splurge. 541 00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:54,640 Speaker 1: They we had a great server, he did a fantastic job. 542 00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:56,840 Speaker 1: We are the Baltimore Ravens. We want to support the 543 00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:59,639 Speaker 1: Indianapolis economy in a great way. He does want somebody go, 544 00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:01,560 Speaker 1: why do you want to see Innapolis radios saying the 545 00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:04,399 Speaker 1: Baltimore Ravens achieved exactly? Why do you want to support 546 00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:08,159 Speaker 1: the Indianapolis economy? Yeah, Jim makes the listeners will have 547 00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:10,400 Speaker 1: a problem with that. Jim makes a great point. You're there, 548 00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:13,119 Speaker 1: you're you're representing the Baltimore Ravens. And I take it 549 00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:14,879 Speaker 1: very seriously. When you go out in public, do you 550 00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:18,520 Speaker 1: want to wear that Baltimore Ravens badge? Like that Baltimore 551 00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:21,159 Speaker 1: Ravens uh connection, like a badge of honor. That's what 552 00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:22,760 Speaker 1: you gotta do. And so you want to to let 553 00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:26,159 Speaker 1: everybody know the Baltimore Ravens are the Baltimore Ravens are 554 00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:27,639 Speaker 1: a great place to work. They're gonna take care of you. 555 00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:29,680 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for your service. Now, I admit 556 00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:32,639 Speaker 1: some companies are very restrictive with the stuff, like if 557 00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:35,480 Speaker 1: you're even a dollar over, they will reject it. We 558 00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:38,880 Speaker 1: we have some leniency in there, and I allow for 559 00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:41,120 Speaker 1: some of that. You know, a factor in fact that 560 00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:44,760 Speaker 1: you guys are out there all week. Um, so you're 561 00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:46,640 Speaker 1: on the road all week, so you got take that 562 00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:50,400 Speaker 1: into account all week, all week. Yeah, And in general, 563 00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:54,040 Speaker 1: your department, I must say, does a pretty good job 564 00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:57,040 Speaker 1: of staying within expenses when you guys go on those 565 00:28:57,280 --> 00:28:59,960 Speaker 1: Uh I brought it up to somebody else. You guys 566 00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:02,840 Speaker 1: go to the Pro Bowl. Instead of all getting your 567 00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:05,640 Speaker 1: own hotel rooms and charging all those through, you do 568 00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:09,520 Speaker 1: an airbnb and um, you know kind of uh save 569 00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:11,520 Speaker 1: some money there. So I kind of factored that in 570 00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:13,560 Speaker 1: when I'm looking at the meals and I'm like, Okay, 571 00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:15,680 Speaker 1: you saved a little bit on the hotel, I'll give 572 00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:17,640 Speaker 1: you a little bit of leeway on the on the meal. 573 00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:19,960 Speaker 1: So I like, I will say the worst email to 574 00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:24,840 Speaker 1: get is the one back from Jim I do always 575 00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:30,760 Speaker 1: whenever i'ven't done it in a while. To be acquitable, 576 00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:36,640 Speaker 1: I pulled up all of Ryan's I'm going to a 577 00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:41,240 Speaker 1: podcasting conversation has not submitted since two thousand eighteen, is it? 578 00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:44,960 Speaker 1: I haven't been. I'm not a road dog. And the 579 00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:48,000 Speaker 1: point I scoured his room all the way back through 580 00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:51,720 Speaker 1: thirteen because we have a love entire history. Nothing all 581 00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:58,160 Speaker 1: clean exactly. Yeah, well, I mean small expenses you can 582 00:29:58,240 --> 00:29:59,959 Speaker 1: learn it or two games. Well, I think the main 583 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:02,720 Speaker 1: point here is that he hasn't expense anything because he 584 00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:07,200 Speaker 1: doesn't actually do any real work. So so we just 585 00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:10,680 Speaker 1: paid my salary. Some people gotta go out there and 586 00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:13,160 Speaker 1: actually do some reporting and go on the road to 587 00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:18,200 Speaker 1: be road dogs, thank God for me, Cliff. And some 588 00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:20,720 Speaker 1: of that was owners meetings, so he might be just 589 00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:25,760 Speaker 1: like going around after the owners eat. Yeah, yeah, that's true. 590 00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:27,240 Speaker 1: I did want to take a pair of tennis shoes 591 00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:31,880 Speaker 1: out of John Harville's trash can there. I don't know 592 00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:34,640 Speaker 1: how he was throwing them away at the owners meetings 593 00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:38,960 Speaker 1: lend On this year, those guys stay at that hotel, 594 00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:43,080 Speaker 1: which is probably like a something crazy where do you 595 00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:44,960 Speaker 1: think I'm saying, Garrett, what do you think I'm saying? 596 00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:49,760 Speaker 1: You should be staying in the rental car? Alright, I'm 597 00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:52,760 Speaker 1: fifty bucks a night. That's where you belong. That's where 598 00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:57,480 Speaker 1: you belong. They let me go into the riff raft 599 00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:01,320 Speaker 1: kind of get around the owners, give me the reporters 600 00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:03,719 Speaker 1: around like I know who's making money and you can 601 00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:06,480 Speaker 1: pick up the crumbs. Yeah. Well, Jim, I appreciate you 602 00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:12,800 Speaker 1: having my back problem disappointing. I thank you, thank you 603 00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:15,400 Speaker 1: for your honesty, and thank you for inviting me on. 604 00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:18,960 Speaker 1: I'm an avid listener. I really enjoyed the podcast. You 605 00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:21,640 Speaker 1: guys do a great job. Thank you, thank you. All Right, So, 606 00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:26,200 Speaker 1: thanks to Jim, he vindicated me. I feel great. Uh 607 00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:28,680 Speaker 1: no more, And if anyone gives me a hard time, 608 00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:30,600 Speaker 1: I'm just gonna send him to Jim's office. Anyone gives 609 00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:32,160 Speaker 1: me a hard time about the expense report, talk to 610 00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:34,320 Speaker 1: the boss, talk to the VP of finance. He gave 611 00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:36,000 Speaker 1: me the go ahead, he gave me all Claire was 612 00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:39,200 Speaker 1: extremely disappointing. That was great. You keep trying to throw 613 00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:41,160 Speaker 1: me under the bus. You tried it last week with Ortiz, 614 00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:44,560 Speaker 1: you tried it today. With Kohler. It didn't happen. Everyone's 615 00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:48,720 Speaker 1: got my background here. Everyone, you're a serial budget buster, 616 00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:52,440 Speaker 1: no serial budget buster. That's a good sense to you. Actually, 617 00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:56,360 Speaker 1: And I didn't even get into this thrifty so's Cliff Cliffs. 618 00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:58,880 Speaker 1: I don't think we talked about this. Cliff turned in 619 00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:01,440 Speaker 1: a budget expense for a hundred and thirty dollars for 620 00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:03,720 Speaker 1: the whole thing. Yeah, but the whole thing. But for 621 00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:05,560 Speaker 1: the whole thing. Jam also pointed out the Cliff like 622 00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:08,320 Speaker 1: forgot to turn turn into some seats and just no, no, 623 00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:11,520 Speaker 1: he didn't never forgot, did not forget. He ate his 624 00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:13,280 Speaker 1: meal at scene almost he just paid for it out 625 00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:15,040 Speaker 1: of pocket, because that's the kind of guy he is. 626 00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:17,240 Speaker 1: Because he was like, I can't put a hundred dollars 627 00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:19,320 Speaker 1: in the ravens. I guess that's just wrong. I don't 628 00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:22,040 Speaker 1: need to spoil myself like this, but apparently you do. 629 00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:27,040 Speaker 1: I can't clowney this year. I'm gonna send him back 630 00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:30,240 Speaker 1: to you, Garrett, all right, you all right, that's all 631 00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:33,520 Speaker 1: the time we have. That's all we have time for now. 632 00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:37,080 Speaker 1: He's turned up, Yeah out of here. Yeah we gotta roll. Uh, 633 00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:39,480 Speaker 1: thanks so much for listening. You can email us at 634 00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:42,480 Speaker 1: the lounge at Ravens on NFL dot net. UM, thanks 635 00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:45,440 Speaker 1: again to Jim for joining us and shutting Ryan up. 636 00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:47,640 Speaker 1: That's it, that's weight, that's it this week, you guys. 637 00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:47,880 Speaker 1: We