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Speaker 1: talk to the director of the Last Dance, the Michael
Speaker 1: Jordan Chicago Bulls documentary. Jason Harrill will join us. He
Speaker 1: also did The Chicago Bears and he also did the
Speaker 1: Fab Five. He's not from Chicago, which I found interesting,
Speaker 1: but he did the Fab Five, did a great job
Speaker 1: with that, The Chicago Bears, and now the ten part
Speaker 1: series on Michael Jordan and the Chicago Bulls. The last
Speaker 1: season that they were together, I saw some interesting numbers
Speaker 1: on the Chicago Bulls that I didn't realize, and of
Speaker 1: course I was there covering them. As it turns out,
Speaker 1: worth thousands of others were there. Apparently, Hey, I was there.
Speaker 1: I covered them. You did, I didn't see you. But
Speaker 1: that's actually where we first met. Is that what it was?
Speaker 1: In the locker room? Oh I didn't know, Seaton. How
Speaker 1: old were you when the bulls were there in nineteen
Speaker 1: ninety seven, nineteen ninety eight. I would have just graduated
Speaker 1: high school in ninety six, So yeah, I was kept
Speaker 1: college and went right to the bulls. PAULI was working
Speaker 1: a door I think at a bar in New York
Speaker 1: or Arizona. Oh no, when the bulls were on their run,
Speaker 1: I graduated college. H During the part part of the run,
Speaker 1: I was a bouncer. Air quotes, Oh no, you worked
Speaker 1: the door as a dormant. Checked id at Sedgewicks in
Speaker 1: Lincoln Park and we get to watch all the games.
Speaker 1: Dorman McLevin, Where were you in nineteen ninety seven, nineteen
Speaker 1: ninety eight? Gosh, I've forgotten. I've heard so many stories
Speaker 1: about Paully in that era that I've kind of confused
Speaker 1: it with my own life. I was at Downside Rigors Club.
Speaker 1: Don't remember any of that. Yeah, Todd, where were you
Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety seven ninety eight? I was living in
Speaker 1: LA and working in Hollywood for ESPN's Up Close Show
Speaker 1: with Chris Myers. All right, I did not know this,
Speaker 1: but the Chicago Bulls were I think the oldest NBA
Speaker 1: championship team. You know, Jordan was thirty five when the
Speaker 1: Sea and ended. He led the team in scoring, averaging
Speaker 1: just under twenty nine. Only one NBA champ has ever
Speaker 1: had an older leading scorer, and that was Kareem Abdul
Speaker 1: Jabbar in nineteen eighty four eighty five, when he was
Speaker 1: thirty seven. This is how old The nineteen ninety seven
Speaker 1: ninety eight Bulls were oldest title winning team and one
Speaker 1: of the oldest teams in NBA history. So you had
Speaker 1: the top three players in regular season minutes, Jordan, Rodman,
Speaker 1: and Ron Harper, all at least thirty four. Only two
Speaker 1: other teams in NBA history can say that, the ninety
Speaker 1: eight Rockets and the h nine Sons, their top eight
Speaker 1: players in regular season minutes were all at least twenty nine.
Speaker 1: Only one other team in NBA history can say that
Speaker 1: that was the Three Knicks. When we talk about Jerry Krauss,
Speaker 1: and he was the architect, the GM of the Chicago Bulls.
Speaker 1: He probably looked at this and said, you know, Scottie
Speaker 1: Pippen was in that year, missed the first thirty five
Speaker 1: games he had an injured foot. But you started to
Speaker 1: look at this team and say, are they fragile? How
Speaker 1: long can Rodman hold on Michael with all that playoff
Speaker 1: mileage on him and he's going to be thirty five.
Speaker 1: And maybe they looked at this and said, we could
Speaker 1: roll the dice, but we're going to blow this up.
Speaker 1: That's why it's the last dance. And I wonder about
Speaker 1: that because they started off they were eight and seven.
Speaker 1: First fifteen games, they went eight and seven, and then
Speaker 1: people can make the case that's the best basketball team
Speaker 1: we've ever seen. It's generational. I go back to the
Speaker 1: Celtics in the sixties and I think they had at
Speaker 1: one point eight or nine all stars on one championship
Speaker 1: team with Bill Russell. It's generational. It's the same thing
Speaker 1: with the Bulls. I go back to Showtime with Magic Johnson,
Speaker 1: you know Bird with the Celtics there, how great were
Speaker 1: their teams? If you had one series to win and
Speaker 1: you were going to plug in a team, and you
Speaker 1: were looking at these dynasties. It's difficult because I can
Speaker 1: look at Shack and Kobe and when they did it right,
Speaker 1: they were spectacular. But I also look at when Magic
Speaker 1: had Kareem and James Worthy and Michael Cooper and Byron
Speaker 1: Scott who and you had a good bench as well.
Speaker 1: I got a great coach, pat Riley. I look at
Speaker 1: that Celtics team that had Hall of famers at every position.
Speaker 1: Sixth Man of the Year was a Hall of Famer
Speaker 1: in Bill Walton. You know, Dennis Johnson, Hall of Famer,
Speaker 1: Byrd McHale, Parish hall of Famer, Danny Ainge very good.
Speaker 1: You know, there are a lot of great teams, but
Speaker 1: you could have depth back then. It's hard now because
Speaker 1: you may have two superstars that's all you can afford.
Speaker 1: Maybe you get three really good players. But when you
Speaker 1: start to say, well, that's the greatest team of all time,
Speaker 1: I can say that Showtime is the most entertaining team
Speaker 1: I've ever seen. That was something we had not seen
Speaker 1: in the NBA. They sort of changed the game where
Speaker 1: you were up tempo and you you were having fun
Speaker 1: with that, like actually smiling playing basketball and then even
Speaker 1: the Celtics back then ran, you know Bird McHale, they ran,
Speaker 1: and you wouldn't think that those guys would be out
Speaker 1: on the break, but they did. You look back on
Speaker 1: those videos, you know Jordan's team, Oh, how would they
Speaker 1: compare with the Golden State Warriors with Kevin Durant and
Speaker 1: Clay Thompson and Steph Curry. Well, they didn't have three
Speaker 1: point shooters back then, but you weren't required to have
Speaker 1: three point shooters. I'm going to guess Michael would have
Speaker 1: changed his game to shoot more threes. We saw what
Speaker 1: he did against the Portland Trailblazers when they beat them
Speaker 1: in the NBA finals. You had Craig Hodges, you had
Speaker 1: John Paxson, you had Steve Kerry. They would have added
Speaker 1: to Ron Harper probably would have been a better three
Speaker 1: point shooter. Tony Ku coach like you, you would have evolved,
Speaker 1: because you have to evolve. I saw where Shack was saying,
Speaker 1: you know that his Laker team with Kobe, they would
Speaker 1: have crushed the Bulls because Shack would have dominated Bill Wennington,
Speaker 1: Bill Cartwright and Luke Longley, which is true, but that's
Speaker 1: you know the game has changed since then, because how
Speaker 1: would you do against Golden State. I'm sure you would
Speaker 1: dominate JaVale McGee, but you know you got all of
Speaker 1: the Kevin Durant, Steph Curry and Clay Thompson, those guys,
Speaker 1: and Andrea Goodala, who was the MVP of the Finally,
Speaker 1: that's where you get into these arguments that I don't
Speaker 1: think you could ever win, and you don't lose, but
Speaker 1: you can't win. It's fun, it's fun to discuss that,
Speaker 1: but you know, it's generational and it feels like we
Speaker 1: have one of those teams every ten years where you go, boy,
Speaker 1: that's that team could stack up against anybody. And I
Speaker 1: wondered about this, and I know it sounded crazy when
Speaker 1: I said it yesterday. Would Michael Jordan be as good
Speaker 1: as Steph Curry in today's NBA? Now I'm looking at
Speaker 1: his style versus We know Michael's a better player, but
Speaker 1: I'm talking about the impact on the game because I
Speaker 1: think Steph Curry will be remembered as having a bigger
Speaker 1: impact on the game than Jordan. Because if I look
Speaker 1: at Jordan, we look at Jordan and he's become Babe Ruth.
Speaker 1: You know, there's a mythological field to Mike now, because
Speaker 1: this documentary is going to bring it all back to you.
Speaker 1: If you didn't see it, now you're gonna understand who
Speaker 1: Mike was, how he played, how he treated opponents, how
Speaker 1: he treated teammates as well. But you start to look
Speaker 1: at Steph Curry's impact on the game, and not everybody
Speaker 1: can dunk, but there are a lot of people who
Speaker 1: can shoot threes or think they can shoot three. You
Speaker 1: can't go I think I can dunk? Do you do
Speaker 1: say to yourself, I think I can shoot threes? I
Speaker 1: mean Trey Young is successful because as Steph Curry. Steph
Speaker 1: Curry open the eyes of a lot of players to say,
Speaker 1: you can be like this and be great. You don't
Speaker 1: have to be like Mike, because nobody can be like Mike,
Speaker 1: but you can be like Steph Curry just from the
Speaker 1: point of you can shoot these shots. Of course, got
Speaker 1: to make him. But I you know, I was wondering
Speaker 1: about that yesterday. I can't undersell the impact of Steph
Speaker 1: Curry on the game of basketball. The three used to
Speaker 1: be what are you doing? And I can't oversell Steph
Speaker 1: Curry like you're shooting three? You can't shoot that far out.
Speaker 1: That's because of Steph Curry. Now, not everybody should be
Speaker 1: Steph Curry changed the game, right If I go back
Speaker 1: seven years ago, eight years ago, nobody was doing that.
Speaker 1: It was crazy what he was doing. Steve Kerr, who
Speaker 1: played with Jordan, he was like, what are you doing?
Speaker 1: Running around like that and then taking those shots, and
Speaker 1: then he realized he's got the greatest shooter in the
Speaker 1: history of the game there. Now, would Michael have evolved
Speaker 1: to shoot threes, Yes, he would, So would Larry Bird,
Speaker 1: So would Magic? You would be doing Imagine Bird taking
Speaker 1: ten threes a game, all right? He never made more
Speaker 1: than three in a game in his career. I don't
Speaker 1: think you know, if I said Bird shooting ten, if
Speaker 1: Magic all of a sudden, you know, has hit at
Speaker 1: his height, he could take he inside, but he could
Speaker 1: also you got to guard him at the three point
Speaker 1: line as well, and he developed a legitimate set shot
Speaker 1: there from three point range? You know, would Isaiah Thomas
Speaker 1: be more of a three point shooter like you? Just
Speaker 1: the game has evolved. It's not just I. It was physical. Hey,
Speaker 1: I can dunk to Now there's no real center and
Speaker 1: you got five guys on the perimeter used to be
Speaker 1: an inside outside game at pick and roll. It's changed,
Speaker 1: and a lot of that is bec Steph Curry. He's
Speaker 1: not a better basketball player than Michael Jordan, but he
Speaker 1: might have a bigger impact because of today's youth that
Speaker 1: you know, kids now, go watch a game, go watch
Speaker 1: a fifth grade, sixth grade, seventh grade game. They think
Speaker 1: they're Steph Curry and they're gonna think there's Steph Curry
Speaker 1: while he's still playing. But I can underestimate or overestimate
Speaker 1: his impact on the game. And I know I said
Speaker 1: this yesterday and people question that Lebron to me, is
Speaker 1: a better basketball player than Michael Jordan. Not a better player,
Speaker 1: better all around basketball player with what he does, you know,
Speaker 1: certainly a better teammate, better passer, better rebounder. And he
Speaker 1: could be he could be a center, and he could
Speaker 1: be a point guard. Michael obviously who had the killer instinct.
Speaker 1: And I wonder what Michael would be like now. I'm
Speaker 1: I'm worried about this when this documentary comes out how
Speaker 1: we viewed Jordan because Jordan could do it back then,
Speaker 1: but he couldn't be Jordan like this now because social
Speaker 1: media would probably be pretty rough on him and the
Speaker 1: reporters too, TMZ guys, you know, wanting to get a
Speaker 1: scoop here, you got NBA insiders, you know, you'd have
Speaker 1: Wos and you'd have Brian Wynhorse that who would be
Speaker 1: their job would be to follow Jordan. Rachel Nichols would
Speaker 1: be interviewing. He got to be able to hide a
Speaker 1: little bit. Lebron can't hide Lebron. He's there. And I
Speaker 1: think if if I switched these and Lebron played back
Speaker 1: when Mike did and Jordan played now, Lebron would be
Speaker 1: the greatest basketball player of all time because there was
Speaker 1: nobody like him, and really there still hasn't been anybody
Speaker 1: like him, but I do I'm curious how people react
Speaker 1: to this documentary with Jordan. Where they got was a jerk,
Speaker 1: and you know, Jordan was on Good Morning America. I
Speaker 1: was kind of surprised that he went on. It feels
Speaker 1: like he's trying to soften his image a little bit
Speaker 1: before this comes out. And it's okay to be who
Speaker 1: you were. That's who Kobe was. You know, Burden didn't
Speaker 1: like you, he was rough on his teammates. That's just
Speaker 1: who you were and how you played back then you
Speaker 1: don't have to apologize. We didn't get to see this.
Speaker 1: Even the Steve Kerr where he punches his teammate story
Speaker 1: that you know came out and people are like, wait,
Speaker 1: what happened? So you have these situations here where these
Speaker 1: things happened, and it was almost like folklore, like hey,
Speaker 1: do you hear the story about Mike and Scottie and
Speaker 1: you get a little but like it was just word
Speaker 1: of mouth. And that's what I'm curious how the PC
Speaker 1: police are going to react to Michael Jordan, Oh that language.
Speaker 1: All I know is he got his players to play.
Speaker 1: All I know is when he went to a finals,
Speaker 1: he won. All I know is when you needed something big,
Speaker 1: he came up big. I can't argue with any of that.
Speaker 1: You start to judge players by personality. Then it gets
Speaker 1: dangerous because if I said, hey, you know what Lebron did.
Speaker 1: He punched one of his teammates during practice. Hey you
Speaker 1: know what Lebron did? He went to Atlantic City. He
Speaker 1: was gambling for a playoff game. Like if I told
Speaker 1: you look at what Lebron is doing, you would kill him.
Speaker 1: On social media With Michael, somehow we go it's like
Speaker 1: when we look at mobsters. When you watch a documentary
Speaker 1: on mobsters, it's amazing. How we go. God, I hope
Speaker 1: they get away with this man. I know he's a
Speaker 1: bad guy. Suddenly. I care about Bugsy Siegel here, But
Speaker 1: with Michael, I think we sort of said we love
Speaker 1: the end product here, we love what that is. And
Speaker 1: it's the last dynasty where we actually were rooting for them.
Speaker 1: Everybody was unless they were facing your team. And even then.
Speaker 1: I remember being in Atlanta going to a game the
Speaker 1: Hawks against the Bulls, and ninety percent of that crowd
Speaker 1: was there to see the Chicago Bulls against their team.
Speaker 1: It felt like Golden State. We got tired of that dynasty.
Speaker 1: It's because of social media. If the Bulls played now,
Speaker 1: be like, oh, Rodman up to his antics again, I'll pippin.
Speaker 1: They doesn't want to go in the game, you know,
Speaker 1: Michael gambling whatever else he's doing off the like, we
Speaker 1: would have chewed that up and spit it out, Like
Speaker 1: how long did it take before we got tired of
Speaker 1: Golden State? Three years? When Durant got there, We're like,
Speaker 1: m we're done with this. You know, the Patriots dynasty
Speaker 1: of sorts. People got tired of that quickly. They didn't
Speaker 1: not be loved, admired, not beloved. The Bulls are beloved.
Speaker 1: They're like a boy band. But there's a lot of
Speaker 1: pressure on this director to make this payoff. It's it's
Speaker 1: it's ten hours of this and I want to know
Speaker 1: and maybe maybe the director will tell me did they did?
Speaker 1: They have to convince Jordan to do this, because I'm
Speaker 1: wondering if he was first or last. And in knowing Mike,
Speaker 1: he's a control freak. I'm sure he had his hands
Speaker 1: all over this and saying, hey, I'll do this, but
Speaker 1: this is how I want it done. All right, mclove
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Speaker 1: gonna like it. Okay, why don't we want the best team? Wait?
Speaker 1: Let's wait then if I'm not gonna like it, well,
Speaker 1: you said specifically don't bring this debate up, but I
Speaker 1: have to. I really I want to put it out
Speaker 1: there and I'll save it. Okay, but everybody in sports
Speaker 1: bars argues this very topic about NBA teams. Okay, do
Speaker 1: you want to hear it? Yeah? From nineteen eighty to
Speaker 1: two thousand, who is the best team? Is somebody backing
Speaker 1: up over you with what this question is going to be?
Speaker 1: I hear a truck backing up. Yeah, I have a
Speaker 1: new mic and I noticed this kicking up the sound
Speaker 1: in Brooklyn. It seems like it could be a problem. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna blame the it guy or Mario. So who
Speaker 1: is a better team? Lakers, Celtics or Bulls? I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you can. I don't think there's
Speaker 1: a wrong answer. I don't. I mean, the Pistons were
Speaker 1: a wonderful team. Nobody liked him, but boy they were
Speaker 1: a great team. You know this Golden State team with Durant,
Speaker 1: curR and Clay thoms So I have three of the
Speaker 1: I have, you know, the greatest shooter of all time,
Speaker 1: Klay Thompson's in the conversation of top ten of all time,
Speaker 1: and Durant is in the top five of one of
Speaker 1: the greatest scores of all time. I got firepower there,
Speaker 1: so do I put them in there as well? I
Speaker 1: got a stat for you. You know, I'll take a break.
Speaker 1: It has to do with the Bulls in nineteen ninety seven,
Speaker 1: ninety eight and Steph Curry. I think it will surprise
Speaker 1: you a little bit. All Right, we'll take a break here,
Speaker 1: we'll come back. Phone calls are welcome. Also, these high
Speaker 1: school players who are now going to Australia. Now you
Speaker 1: got the number one player in high school, a kid
Speaker 1: out of Fresno, and he's going to the G League.
Speaker 1: I didn't even know this program existed, but is this
Speaker 1: the new norm of what you're going to have with
Speaker 1: some of these kids. R J. Hampton went over to Australia,
Speaker 1: LaMelo Ball went over there. Those guys are all you know.
Speaker 1: Lamella might be the number one pick overall. Jalen Green
Speaker 1: out of Fresno the number one player going into college,
Speaker 1: but he's not going to college. We'll talk about that.
Speaker 1: Pat Forty will join us coming up to talk about this.
Speaker 1: And also are we going to expand from four playoff
Speaker 1: teams to maybe sixteen in college football? So a lot
Speaker 1: to get to. Phone calls are welcome here, just getting
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Speaker 1: s R. You might see or here's something that will
Speaker 1: change your opinion of Michael Jordan watching this last dance,
Speaker 1: maybe it will enhance his image even more and say, oh,
Speaker 1: how can you compare Lebron to Michael Jordan. It's hard
Speaker 1: to compare the two, but I do think that we
Speaker 1: hold Lebron accountable for all the losses in the finals,
Speaker 1: when if you look at the teams he played for
Speaker 1: to get to the finals, it was rare when he
Speaker 1: had somebody like Scottie Pippen. And when he did, he
Speaker 1: was with the Miami Heat and they won a couple
Speaker 1: of titles there. But what he did when he first
Speaker 1: got there at age twenty two, the team he took
Speaker 1: to the finals to face the Spurs, which had how
Speaker 1: many Hall of famers on it, and he lost. I
Speaker 1: think the fact that you go to nine NBA finals
Speaker 1: that should be a credit. I go back to the
Speaker 1: Buffalo Bills. We always thought it was a negative. They
Speaker 1: lost four consecutive Super Bowls. They went to four consecutive
Speaker 1: Super Bowls. We never celebrate that at all. It's a
Speaker 1: bottom line. You lost. Therefore, your worst team in the NFL.
Speaker 1: Somehow Lebron got those teams to the finals. Now I
Speaker 1: can say that when Michael hit that shot against Cleveland,
Speaker 1: he had a lineup that had no business beating the
Speaker 1: Cavaliers because the Cavaliers had Mark Price, Brad Doherty, Larry Nance,
Speaker 1: they had a really good team and Mike hit that shot.
Speaker 1: Even the writers for the Chicago Bulls they didn't pick
Speaker 1: the Bulls to beat the Cavaliers. And normally you get
Speaker 1: the hometown discount, homecount, you know, home court advantage with
Speaker 1: your writers. That's why Michael was shaking his fist when
Speaker 1: he hits the shot over Elo. He's shaking his fist
Speaker 1: at those writers to say, bleep you. That's when it started.
Speaker 1: That's when the I'm gonna win and I'm going to
Speaker 1: be the greatest player of all times started. I mentioned
Speaker 1: I had a stat for you. In that final year
Speaker 1: together the Bulls in nineteen ninety seven nineteen ninety eight
Speaker 1: made three hundred and eleven three pointers. Steph Curry individually
Speaker 1: has made at least that many in three difference seasons.
Speaker 1: The game has changed. Let that sink in again. Nineteen
Speaker 1: ninety seven, ninety eight, they made three hundred eleven three pointers.
Speaker 1: Steph Curry has made at least that many in three
Speaker 1: different seasons. Yes, Die Jeff in North Carolina. Hi Jeff,
Speaker 1: Then we'll get to Pat forty about these high school
Speaker 1: players playing in the G League, playing overseas, and what
Speaker 1: about a college playoff expanding to maybe sixteen teams? Hi Jeff,
Speaker 1: Then good morning, Good morning. I just it seems to
Speaker 1: be a national narrative now that everybody keeps saying Lebron's
Speaker 1: a better basketball player. But I just don't see it.
Speaker 1: I mean, Michael so much better defender, so much better shooter,
Speaker 1: so much better score, but it's a better rebounder. I mean,
Speaker 1: how is he a better player? Game is so much
Speaker 1: open now, the stats are all just tripled what they
Speaker 1: used to be in the nineties. I mean, I just
Speaker 1: don't see this man as a better basketball players. I
Speaker 1: just I think Lebron uh at that size, that versatility. Look,
Speaker 1: this is just my opinion, And look I watched them all.
Speaker 1: As I told you on the show, the only person
Speaker 1: I didn't see in person was Bill Russell play, so
Speaker 1: I saw him all. I just look at Lebron's versatility.
Speaker 1: We don't we take it for granted what Lebron does.
Speaker 1: There's no one like him. Now, we've had guys who
Speaker 1: are similar in athleticism to Michael similar. Okay, there's no
Speaker 1: one like Lebron there. There just isn't. I just think
Speaker 1: that the national narrative, if you want to, you know,
Speaker 1: define it that way, is we look for reasons to
Speaker 1: not like Lebron. You know, if I take Magic and
Speaker 1: I take you know, Michael, I get Lebron. That's the
Speaker 1: talent that you have there. And I know, you know,
Speaker 1: we grew up with Jordan and Jordan's ours, and you know,
Speaker 1: nobody will ever be better than him. I understand that.
Speaker 1: You know, we're territorial. You know, maybe somebody fifteen years
Speaker 1: from now say Steph Curry had a bigger impact on
Speaker 1: the game than Michael Jordan did. And then we start
Speaker 1: an argument Lebron's not done yet. If he wins the
Speaker 1: title with the Lakers or two more titles, then what
Speaker 1: are you going to say? What if he ends up
Speaker 1: is the all time leading scorer, all time leader in
Speaker 1: assist or top five in assist, top five in steels.
Speaker 1: You know, then what's the argument there? What if he
Speaker 1: goes to eleven NBA finals. Let's say, so, we want
Speaker 1: to make sure that we we're protective of our Jordan era.
Speaker 1: You know, don't take anything away from that. Okay, that's fine.
Speaker 1: He's a he's a you know, the greatest player of
Speaker 1: all time. And I said this yesterday. If I have
Speaker 1: one game to win, Mike is the guy that I
Speaker 1: want on my team. I just think Lebron and what
Speaker 1: he's done, how he's done it and done it in
Speaker 1: the day. You know, the air of social media is underrated. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I said it. Lebron James is underrated. Pat forty, well,
Speaker 1: I almost said overrated, but I can't do that to Pat.
Speaker 1: He's he's too nice. Properly rated whatever that is. Pat
Speaker 1: forty is properly rated. Joints on loan? Do you get
Speaker 1: into these conversations about best of all time and best
Speaker 1: team and dynasty and Lebron and Michael Personally, I think
Speaker 1: the proper tag for me is criminally underrated. You know,
Speaker 1: I'll stick with sal stick with properly rated that's fine. Um,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, all the time, all the time. And there
Speaker 1: is absolutely a generational divide and there is kind of
Speaker 1: a weird grudging thing with on that I don't get, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, whether it's just that Lebron's heyday is coincided
Speaker 1: with what I guess you could call hater culture, you know,
Speaker 1: where where everybody can be knocked down. But I to
Speaker 1: me that if this isn't just my opinion. Now it's
Speaker 1: the correct opinion, of course, but it's just my opinion
Speaker 1: that that you know, Jordan's just the greatest winner ever
Speaker 1: and if you and if there's going to be a separator,
Speaker 1: it's going to be that until if Lebron gets to
Speaker 1: six world titles, then then we can have that discussion.
Speaker 1: But I think Jordan was a superior winner. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: and he has he has a different gene. But that
Speaker 1: gene's going to come out in this documentary and people
Speaker 1: are going to be a little bit uncomfortable with what
Speaker 1: they see with Michael Jordan's personality. Back then, we knew it,
Speaker 1: we saw it, we accepted it. That's just who he was.
Speaker 1: But if Mike did what he did, you know back then,
Speaker 1: did it now? Social media would would eat him alive,
Speaker 1: no doubt, no doubt, punching teammates and that it's some
Speaker 1: of the other stuff. Yeah, sure that he was. He
Speaker 1: was excessive, and it was he was much more tolerant
Speaker 1: back then than it would be today, for sure. Oh man,
Speaker 1: all right, So I wanted to have you on for
Speaker 1: a couple of reasons. Here you saw were Jalen Green,
Speaker 1: who was the top high school kid out of Fresno.
Speaker 1: He decided to go to the G League and they
Speaker 1: sort of set up this separate G League accounter whatever
Speaker 1: it is. It's like, come on in and you're going
Speaker 1: to get a half million dollars and we'll get you
Speaker 1: a shoe deal and you sort of hang out here
Speaker 1: for a little while and develop, and then you'll go
Speaker 1: into the draft next year. What exactly is this program?
Speaker 1: It's like the commissioner's exemp list when he was, you know,
Speaker 1: the NFL commissioner, where I didn't even know he had
Speaker 1: an exemple list. I didn't know that G League had this. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is a very interesting development, and it seems to
Speaker 1: me underscores what appears to be a bit of disdain
Speaker 1: from the NBA side and out in silverside towards college basketball.
Speaker 1: It's like, whether it's the the system is too corrupt
Speaker 1: or it's just not producing foot players that are ready
Speaker 1: enough or whatever I think he's gone from. Yes, I'll
Speaker 1: work with the college game and you know, we'll eventually
Speaker 1: get rid of the age minimum and you know, take
Speaker 1: away some of the ambiguity of these guys that are
Speaker 1: going to school for one year and just let them
Speaker 1: go straight in. Now it's like, ah, we're just going
Speaker 1: to go right to high school guys and we don't
Speaker 1: care whether they come to you or not. And so
Speaker 1: to me, it's that's a very interesting development. If they've
Speaker 1: got that kind of money to throw around, kids are
Speaker 1: going to be very interested in taking it. Now. It
Speaker 1: may not be for many of them, but still, if
Speaker 1: you're siphoning off those kind of kids, it definitely would
Speaker 1: have an impact on the college game. And I mean
Speaker 1: I wrote about this. Most college kids that they're guys
Speaker 1: that are playing college basketball don't want to be there,
Speaker 1: especially the good ones. You know, they absolutely pull up
Speaker 1: dreaming of playing for North Carolina or Duke or Kentucky
Speaker 1: or Kansas or UCLA or anyone else. They don't want
Speaker 1: to be there. Well, Zion is the last He's the
Speaker 1: last dinosaur, He's the anomaly here. But I'm wondering, and
Speaker 1: I'm talking about this superstar, But why wouldn't Adidas or
Speaker 1: Nike just say, we're setting up our own little workshop here.
Speaker 1: We're gonna pay you. We're gonna pay you whatever. We
Speaker 1: have an academy. You come in and we'll give you
Speaker 1: life skills. We'll teach out to balance a checkbook, we'll
Speaker 1: teach about real estate. We'll have simulated games. We'll have
Speaker 1: Nike former NBA players on staff who'll come in and
Speaker 1: work you out and give you tips, advisors to help
Speaker 1: you go into the NBA. Why not just do that,
Speaker 1: get them under contract with a shoe deal, and send
Speaker 1: them into the draft. To me, it feels like you
Speaker 1: would be investing in your future if you're Nike or Adidas,
Speaker 1: and then these kids who don't want to go to
Speaker 1: school actually learn what they need to learn going into
Speaker 1: the NBA. I mean, it makes a lot of sense
Speaker 1: on the face of it, you know, is that something
Speaker 1: you prepare them in the ways that they need to
Speaker 1: be prepared as far as the care of money, and
Speaker 1: some life skills and that sort of thing, and then yeah,
Speaker 1: you get them under your wing. And that's I mean,
Speaker 1: so many of these players already are yes, you know,
Speaker 1: considered didn't silos Nike there, that's a Nike kid, that's
Speaker 1: an under Armor kid, that's Fadida's kid. So yeah, why
Speaker 1: not extend it and further cut out the college middleman
Speaker 1: so to speak? You know, I wouldn't be surprised if
Speaker 1: those ideas are percolating in places even beyond the high
Speaker 1: reaches of the Van Patrick Show. Pad forty Sports Illustrated
Speaker 1: College Sports senior writer head Chris Fowler on the show
Speaker 1: earlier in the week and we talked about if there's
Speaker 1: going to be lost revenue with college football and the
Speaker 1: trickle down with other sports. Here, I'm wondering, can you
Speaker 1: rip up that contract that ESPN has with college football
Speaker 1: with the Final four and then we extrapolate this and
Speaker 1: make it the Sweet sixteen? You know, all options on
Speaker 1: the table, but can we get do you think that
Speaker 1: we can get to that point this year? College football
Speaker 1: has been the hardest entity to get to change anything
Speaker 1: over the centuries, but they've all contracts are made to
Speaker 1: be broken, and there has never been a time that
Speaker 1: really looks as economically challenging as this one. So yeah,
Speaker 1: it would not absolutely shock me. You know, they could
Speaker 1: even fill it as a one time thing to see
Speaker 1: how it goes, and then you know, if it's not good,
Speaker 1: wouldn't go back the other way. But you know, the
Speaker 1: football cash cow is so vital and if it's going
Speaker 1: to be compromised, and I think we've already started to
Speaker 1: see some of the repercussions of it, sports being cut
Speaker 1: and pay cuts all over the place, and staff being reduced, furloughs,
Speaker 1: all those sort of things. If there is an easy fix,
Speaker 1: a relatively easy fix, sixteen playoffs, eighteen playoff, twelve team playoffs,
Speaker 1: sixteen team playoff, one time only, let's see how it goes. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think it could happen. It's given the hunger in
Speaker 1: sports media and in college athletics for revenue and what's
Speaker 1: not coming in now and it may not come in
Speaker 1: for several more months. Would not shock me. Uh, And
Speaker 1: I just thought of this. J C. Daniels, the big
Speaker 1: time recruit at USC, just entered the transfer portal. He
Speaker 1: was you know, heralded as a you know, next great
Speaker 1: quarterback at USC, and I started to think about this.
Speaker 1: Did ed Orgeron recruit JT. Daniels at USC, and therefore
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow is gone, Hey, come on down here to
Speaker 1: baton rouge. I'm just thinking out loud here. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: not sure. Maybe maybe some early stages recruiting, you know,
Speaker 1: but JT. JT left high school actually a year early,
Speaker 1: you know, so he was he was a young freshman
Speaker 1: and he was a starter. But sure, I mean a
Speaker 1: guy like that. Look, people really liked his talent um.
Speaker 1: You know, he was thrown into the fire as a
Speaker 1: young freshman. By the end of the year, he was
Speaker 1: playing pretty well. The game against Notre Dame I remember
Speaker 1: that he was good, and then you know, he gets
Speaker 1: hurt the next year, and then Keaton Slovis comes in
Speaker 1: and is really good and definitely the favorite of the
Speaker 1: offensive coordinator, Graham Harrold. So, yeah, that this is a
Speaker 1: high quality quarterback suddenly on the market. Now he's gonna
Speaker 1: have to sit almost assuredly, but I would think he
Speaker 1: would be super attractive to LSU and anybody else that
Speaker 1: needs a quarterback. Yeah. I know they got Myles Brennan,
Speaker 1: but if if Edo recruited him when he was at
Speaker 1: USC and I don't know, and just a thought. It's
Speaker 1: a thought, Pat, That's all I do. I just think.
Speaker 1: I think, you know what. We need your thoughts. Not
Speaker 1: always we have nothing to do but think. Yeah, nothing
Speaker 1: else to do. Hey, it's great to talk to you.
Speaker 1: It's always help the family safe. And we'll keep reading
Speaker 1: you two. Thanks Dan pad forty Sports Illustrated College Sports
Speaker 1: senior writer. Take a break. We'll have our play of
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Speaker 1: Check this out. Here's the pitch. The Schmidt brill card
Speaker 1: left the old at in the alley that is gone
Speaker 1: that the home run first twenty is at fourth grade.
Speaker 1: He drilled it. It was not as hard at en
Speaker 1: of the day, but he's got his fourth consecutive home
Speaker 1: run on this date in nineteen seventy six at Wrigley.
Speaker 1: Final score eighteen to sixteen Cubs against the Phillies, Mike
Speaker 1: Schmidt became the tenth player ever to hit four homers
Speaker 1: in a game. Today, eighteen players have done it. Little
Speaker 1: Hall and Oates there, Philadelphia's own. That's courtesy of the
Speaker 1: Phillies Radio Network. I don't know if Mike Schmidt is
Speaker 1: the only guy who's ever homered off two brothers in
Speaker 1: the same game. I think he hit a home run
Speaker 1: off Rick Russell, maybe two off Rick Russell, and then
Speaker 1: Rick's brother Paul came in, and I think he hit
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Speaker 1: dot com. Yeah point yeah. Growing up a Cubs fan,
Speaker 1: I'm not sure why we're playing this because it seemed
Speaker 1: to me that Mike Schmidt hit three home runs every
Speaker 1: time he came to Rigley Field, and I think he
Speaker 1: hit his career average is probably like seven to forty
Speaker 1: or something. East. Yeah, I don't know why the Cubs
Speaker 1: didn't try to trade for Mike Schmill. Yes, mclovin, I
Speaker 1: would rush home for day games just to see Schmidt
Speaker 1: play there. Well, I think the wind was blowing out
Speaker 1: that day, hence the eighteen to sixteen score. But Schmidty
Speaker 1: following up with this same game plan blueprint as Hank
Speaker 1: Aaron used his wrist and if you watched him, Schmidty,
Speaker 1: it wasn't like using lower body as much or bat speed.
Speaker 1: It was just the flick of the wrist. And Hank
Speaker 1: Aaron did that, of course, and to me, the greatest
Speaker 1: home run hitter of all time. Yes, Tom, I'm not
Speaker 1: one to talk about the Rushell brothers. Those are some
Speaker 1: big boys they were. Yes, you could have been the
Speaker 1: third Russell brother. I think yes you did. Mcleve And
Speaker 1: how are we on the poll question? So I did
Speaker 1: put up Bulls Lakers Celtics. Bulls are the best team
Speaker 1: from nineteen eighty to two thousand. Recentcy bias. But this
Speaker 1: sparked another debate amongst the Danettes. Okay, so I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna say which Danett it wasn't Paul. He said that
Speaker 1: all Chicago has his documentaries about titles and Deep Dish Pizza,
Speaker 1: which led us to a discussed. Wait wait, wait, that's
Speaker 1: you who said that. Yes, that is me who said okay, okay, So,
Speaker 1: which which of our cities the five of us has
Speaker 1: the best signature of food? Now? Philadelphia obviously has cheese stakes,
Speaker 1: which you had yesterday, which stouted delicious. Yeah, they were good.
Speaker 1: I think I have the best signature of food. Is
Speaker 1: there anyone in the room that has a better one?
Speaker 1: And I'm not a deep dish pizza guy. I like
Speaker 1: thin crust. Brooklyn pizza is better than Chicago, thank you.
Speaker 1: I'm from Cincinnati. I get Skyline and gold Star chili,
Speaker 1: which overrated. Yeah, what's Jersey have? Pork roll? Pork roll?
Speaker 1: It a pork pawk off pork roll. By the way,
Speaker 1: It's probably one of the finest things ever created that
Speaker 1: nobody knows about. But it is just what are the
Speaker 1: ingredients of a pork roll? Aside from the pork and
Speaker 1: the roll. I think it's like the Bye products. It's
Speaker 1: like it's sort of like a scrapple kind of thing. Man,
Speaker 1: you get a pork roll, egg and cheese, We'll salt
Speaker 1: pepper catch up on there. Oh man, is that living?
Speaker 1: Where did White Castle originate? Ohio? Is it Okay, I
Speaker 1: mean it's Ohio. It was one of the food staples
Speaker 1: that I had growing up, usually after eleven o'clock at night.
Speaker 1: White Castle that rivals gold Star and Skyline Chili in
Speaker 1: my opinion, just my opinion. Well, you know what Wichita Actually, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's well, but they're headquartered in Columbus, Ohio. Now, well
Speaker 1: we'll take credit for that state of Ohio. Yeah. As
Speaker 1: a Chicago guy, I don't think I want pizza as
Speaker 1: my signature for the city. I like Chicago deep dish pizza,
Speaker 1: but I think even new Haven might be better. And
Speaker 1: there's some good Chicago You think new Haven might be better? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think it is. New Haven is the greatest pizzas
Speaker 1: spot in the world. I agree. I like some Chicago
Speaker 1: deep just pieces, but some of them are too big.
Speaker 1: I would say Italian beef sandwiches for Chicago would be
Speaker 1: if you're a local, if you're a true Chicago boy,
Speaker 1: Chicago style hot dogs are great, uh deep just pizzas great,
Speaker 1: But I think the Italian beef sandwiches with the sport
Speaker 1: peppers and the different types of peppers and dipped oh
Speaker 1: yeah that yeah, I think that's in the stance with
Speaker 1: your elbows out. I think that's what people with in
Speaker 1: Chicago going. Yes, Eton, that is probably the best thing
Speaker 1: I've ever had on the trigger for a meat Friday.
Speaker 1: Was just I want to say, it was just in
Speaker 1: the last couple of months we made it. Italian beef sandwiches,
Speaker 1: Oh my god. I think about them almost every day
Speaker 1: about how great it was. I did. You don't think
Speaker 1: of your family every day, but you know, if they
Speaker 1: came in with Italian beef sandwiches, I would be like, oh,
Speaker 1: you know, hey, you guys are here, Grace man, I'm
Speaker 1: happy to see you, honey. A couple of things. The
Speaker 1: Cleveland Browns continued to deny that there's anything to the
Speaker 1: Odell Beckham Junior trade report now wanting to report, you know,
Speaker 1: in fairness to the radio host at wfa N, it
Speaker 1: was I'm hearing. It wasn't a report, I'm it was
Speaker 1: you know, the dangerous I'm hearing. And then people took
Speaker 1: off with it. They took off with it for a
Speaker 1: couple of reasons, because it's Odell Beckham Junior and these
Speaker 1: have been slow newsdays. Now. Could it still happen, Yes,
Speaker 1: But as I told you, you know, the person I
Speaker 1: reached out to my source said, why would Mike Zimmer
Speaker 1: bring in another headache after just getting rid of another headache?
Speaker 1: And Stefan dis You forget Odell Beckham is only twenty seven.
Speaker 1: And when I asked Boomera, a science and form an
Speaker 1: NFL quarterback, of course the NFL analyst, I said, when
Speaker 1: did it start to change for Odell Beckham? And he
Speaker 1: said when he did that interview? Who was he? Who
Speaker 1: was the rapper who interviewed him? Little Wayne? Is that right?
Speaker 1: And Little Wayne asked him about Eli and he couldn't
Speaker 1: say anything nice about Eli Manning. And then it felt
Speaker 1: like he'd sort of talked to his way out of
Speaker 1: New York. And then you go to the Cleveland Browns
Speaker 1: and look, if there's no secret of the fact that
Speaker 1: he didn't want to go to Cleveland. He waited forever
Speaker 1: to go to Cleveland, like physically go to Cleveland. And
Speaker 1: when he got there, all he kept talking about was
Speaker 1: how angry he was, or he's going to get back
Speaker 1: of the Giants. He still hasn't left the Giants, I think,
Speaker 1: but if you get him to understand collectively, you guys
Speaker 1: could do something special this year and it'd actually be
Speaker 1: better for Baker if he didn't have Odell. In my opinion, there,
Speaker 1: if you got a young receiver in the draft, and
Speaker 1: because you want to focus on Odell because he's so talented,
Speaker 1: but I think it disrupts the flow of the offense there.
Speaker 1: But from what I'm told that the Vikings were probably
Speaker 1: looking to draft a wide receiver, not bring in Odell
Speaker 1: Beckham Junior. The third, we'll talk to the director of
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