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Speaker 1: Welcome to the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast

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Speaker 1: A and Paranormal Podcast Network. Now get ready for another

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Speaker 1: episode of Dark Becomes Light with Heidi Hollis. The thoughts

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Speaker 1: to do the proper amount of research yourself, depending on

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Speaker 1: the subject matter and your needs. You are listening to

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Speaker 1: Dark Becomes Light with Me, Heidi Hollis on the I

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Speaker 1: Welcome in my show. Remember each week this is the

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Speaker 1: place you go to when you want solid insight on

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Speaker 1: any variety of topics, from angels to all in shadow

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Speaker 1: people to hat man. If you've experienced something and you

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Speaker 1: want to share, if you want to give some advice yourself,

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Speaker 1: go to my main website, shadow Folks dot com or

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Speaker 1: Heidi Hollis dot com and put as much detail as

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Speaker 1: you'd like in your email, because the better we can

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Speaker 1: understand the more that you put in there, and I'm

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Speaker 1: telling you some of these stories that come in blow

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Speaker 1: my mind. And I'm hoping that as each of your

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Speaker 1: stories come in, it really hits home with somebody out there.

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Speaker 1: For the person that is contemplating, can these other realities

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Speaker 1: be a reality? Could something I've experience actually be relatable?

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Speaker 1: Has someone else seen or experience this? It is so

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Speaker 1: very helpful, and this is how this is how we're

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Speaker 1: going to get to the next level in understanding the

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Speaker 1: very many levels of this world. Taking each other's word

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Speaker 1: for it oftentimes. Yeah, but you know what, our word

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Speaker 1: put someone in prison through the rest of their lives

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Speaker 1: because we said so, because we spoke up about what

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Speaker 1: we saw. But this is not considered valuable. It's extremely

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Speaker 1: valuable and we have to own up to that. You

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Speaker 1: guys are in for a really spectacular show today because

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Speaker 1: I have a couple of guests that are going to

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Speaker 1: ben Eno. So wow, just just hold tight for that

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Speaker 1: because we're going to talk about clutainly everything it seems

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Speaker 1: from a disease because what don't they cover And I

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Speaker 1: want to get to some of your emails today because

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Speaker 1: they have been piling up. A lot of you have

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Speaker 1: been writing in. This first email is coming to us

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Speaker 1: from Ivan in Mexico City, and he begins, Dear Heidi.

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Speaker 1: For near twenty years, I've been looking for an answer

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Speaker 1: for a clearly mature experience I had when I was

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Speaker 1: probably twenty years old. I couldn't find any serious way

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Speaker 1: that could explain my experience with a very black shadow

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Speaker 1: in Mexico City on my family's property. And I'm kind

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Speaker 1: of filling in the gaps here with some of the wording,

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Speaker 1: just so you guys know. So as I go, often

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Speaker 1: times I'm like, Okay, what do they mean here? All right?

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Speaker 1: So he continues, I think some people are very wrong

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Speaker 1: the way that they look at these things in real life.

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Speaker 1: First of all, it looks like it had a monkey

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Speaker 1: body from the lower elbow to the head. They transmit

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Speaker 1: information interacting with radio station channels. Their color is pure black.

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Speaker 1: Not even the shadow are the black color they are.

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Speaker 1: They move slowly and perfect One shadow seemed to pretend

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Speaker 1: at the time, some stairs over eighteen inches tall, and

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Speaker 1: I was listening to some music. Then suddenly the radio

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Speaker 1: change stations. That was when I turned to see the

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Speaker 1: five seconds, and because I didn't drop anything, he moved

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Speaker 1: got it. Um. I'm not giving a whole lot of

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Speaker 1: details explaining myself because I don't know if I'm going

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Speaker 1: to have an answer from you. But I can write

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Speaker 1: you more, my full story, which is not an illusion.

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Speaker 1: I can give you another email, but okay, you know,

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Speaker 1: I gotta tell you guys something. I can't imagine why

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Speaker 1: I've got an incredible story. I hope that you write

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Speaker 1: me back. I'm like, it's pretty clear I'm answering you guys, right,

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Speaker 1: I think so, So put your details there. Because I

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Speaker 1: can't write back to everybody saying yeah, I'm here. It

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Speaker 1: just blows my mind. I probably went through ten of

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Speaker 1: of course speaking to some incredible researchers from across the globe,

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Speaker 1: So we've got another one here. This comes to us

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Speaker 1: from Stephanie, and she says, in the middle of the day,

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Speaker 1: while lying on the bed with my boyfriend at the time,

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Speaker 1: I was watching a movie when suddenly hat Man showed

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Speaker 1: As I looked at him, he faded away from view

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Speaker 1: of the doorway. My boyfriend said right away, you saw that,

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Speaker 1: up about how he struggled with giving up alcohol and drugs,

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Speaker 1: He never thought who was real, any of them. He

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Speaker 1: or anything like that. Only helped him get out of

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Speaker 1: tried to separate us and was very successful at it.

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Speaker 1: quite aware of this. My computer turned on in my

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Speaker 1: email I sent to an old male friend penpal. Nothing

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Speaker 1: got jealous over it. Do you hear those, guys, Do

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Speaker 1: but the boyfriend turned into a different type of person,

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Speaker 1: like doctor Jackal mr Hyde and I got beat up.

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Speaker 1: Oh no, it was bad. It was the most messed

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Speaker 1: up relationship I've had with a man. The breakup was

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Speaker 1: seriously messed up. I couldn't physically walk. Oh no, Oh god.

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Speaker 1: and I was able to walk afterwards. Oh, listen to that.

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Speaker 1: Listen to that. So he physically attacked her, but something

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Speaker 1: else attached. How would mom know that? Boy? Moms are

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Speaker 1: a trip? Huh? Very intuitive? Very On top of this,

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Speaker 1: she swears that she didn't do this. She thinks that

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Speaker 1: it was done with voodoo and with her very strict

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Speaker 1: Jehovah faith. Huh. When I attended a Native American clean ceremony,

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Speaker 1: he claimed he'd seen the devil. Oh my gosh, I

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Speaker 1: have such chills. He was driving at night with his

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Speaker 1: brother and they seen an owl and then shortly saw

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Speaker 1: truck broke down. That was the last I spoke to him.

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Speaker 1: He is alive, but didn't stick around to be part

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Speaker 1: of that dark life. I think she means she didn't

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Speaker 1: hear this, This impact of this thing coming into this

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Speaker 1: saying you know all uh, you know, drinking is is

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Speaker 1: at the trouble it created. It divided a relationship. She

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Speaker 1: didn't like it. He tried to create a problem, and

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Speaker 1: apparently he did. He knows how to work email. I

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Speaker 1: mean to bring up an old email, pop it up

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Speaker 1: by your computer. It turns on. Wow, look at what

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Speaker 1: we're up against. Absolutely, look what we're up against. We

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Speaker 1: Paranormal date dot com. You meet the most fantastic people. Hi.

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00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:34,760
Speaker 1: Paul and Ben Eno, and wow, you you two have

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00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:38,600
Speaker 1: done so much. I don't think there's quite a team

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00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:41,600
Speaker 1: out there like yourself. So I'd like to hear about

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Speaker 1: some of these adventures that you've gotten yourselves mixed up

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Speaker 1: in Well there, I'll start, if I may, the the

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00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:54,760
Speaker 1: a lot of the really huge cases that that hit

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Speaker 1: the news. We're back years ago before Ben was born,

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00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:02,680
Speaker 1: but there have been some some pretty remarkable things since

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Speaker 1: then too. I think, uh Man, Man Man, you might disagree,

458
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:09,120
Speaker 1: but I think one of the most remarkable ones was

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00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:13,920
Speaker 1: in July when we had to really embrace this flat

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00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:18,480
Speaker 1: area situation. And two things happened in twenty that were

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Speaker 1: really pretty dramatic. One was in July and uh we

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Speaker 1: we we lived near the Bridgewater Triangle. A lot of

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Speaker 1: the case area are all over the place, but we

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00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:34,040
Speaker 1: were then twenty miles of that and we were exploring

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Speaker 1: that area with a mind to really getting to know it.

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Speaker 1: When we were at the head of the you know,

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Speaker 1: way of the four wheel drive, we're bombing down the

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Speaker 1: dirt roads and there was a little beach we found

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Speaker 1: at the head of the Coppacut Reservoir, which is all

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Speaker 1: part of the Freetown State Forest in Massachusetts, and we

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Speaker 1: we just stopped there, just looked very beautiful. When we

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00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:58,800
Speaker 1: got out, we looked around and it was very small.

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Speaker 1: There was nobody else there the middle of nowhere, and

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Speaker 1: we felt very stronger that we were being watched, and

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Speaker 1: we just shot films, I should say, shots randomly around

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Speaker 1: and of course I was a military intelligence photographer, uh

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Speaker 1: a hundred years ago. And you know, you learned that

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Speaker 1: that flesh tones in this latitude are very rare unless

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Speaker 1: it's some kind of fungus. And at the same time,

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Speaker 1: when you have the interplay of sunlight on leaves, UH,

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Speaker 1: that that can create things that paradolia will take over

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Speaker 1: you and your mind will take it and make it

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Speaker 1: something that may not be true or a sound. And

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Speaker 1: when we we got to two shots at which there

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Speaker 1: looked very clearly to be little figures, at least one

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Speaker 1: one little thing and then another one sort of a

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Speaker 1: head with with like a monk like cowl on it.

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Speaker 1: And those the people can see those at the New

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00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:54,000
Speaker 1: England Ghosts dot Com which is in dire need of

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00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:57,720
Speaker 1: reconstruction and it's being reconstructive. But you can see that

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Speaker 1: under the Bridgewater Triangle case file. And uh, we showed

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Speaker 1: those two too, like Jimmy Church and he almost fell

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Speaker 1: out of his cherry. And this is incredible. So what

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00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:11,400
Speaker 1: it is we don't all, we don't commit ourselves too.

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00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:14,960
Speaker 1: But it's pretty remarkable to me. And that's something then

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Speaker 1: and then later been in No, I don't know if

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Speaker 1: you wanted to say something about that, But in November

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00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:21,680
Speaker 1: of that year we got that incredible video that thing

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Speaker 1: coming down out of the tree. Oh that was the

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00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:27,920
Speaker 1: same year, wasn't it was? Yeah, that was in November.

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00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:30,920
Speaker 1: I remember how cold it was. This was in our

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00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:34,480
Speaker 1: first major flap area that a woman had read my

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00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:38,160
Speaker 1: book Faces at the Footsteps in the attic and said, this,

504
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:41,600
Speaker 1: this parallel worlds thing is the only thing that explains

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00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:44,240
Speaker 1: all the goofy stuff that had happened in this house

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Speaker 1: for the previous sixty years. The six generations of her

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00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:51,760
Speaker 1: family had lived in this farmhouse in Torrington, Connecticut, and

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00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:54,440
Speaker 1: she was almost used to this stuff. And so we

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00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:57,720
Speaker 1: were there, uh, every one some while we're contacted by

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00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:01,000
Speaker 1: a producer who wants to do a TV series based

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00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:05,320
Speaker 1: on our theories about this multiverse. But of course that's

512
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:09,719
Speaker 1: usually bad for business for other paranormal investigators. They were

513
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:12,640
Speaker 1: still doing the thing with dead people, all right. So

514
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:15,760
Speaker 1: usually something happens, and especially in the flat area cases

515
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 1: where the military is always involved, we always run into

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00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 1: the military. Is something that looks like the military. Uh

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00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:25,600
Speaker 1: something somebody comes in and stomps on it. Uh. And

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00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:28,520
Speaker 1: we we had Meryl Streep involved in a sizzler wheel

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00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:31,200
Speaker 1: on this and it's still got stomped on. I guess

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00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:33,400
Speaker 1: they set out the wrong I wasn't. There's a long story,

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00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:36,560
Speaker 1: but we were We were told by the little four

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00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:39,440
Speaker 1: at the time, four year old grandson of the homeowner

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Speaker 1: that his friend Ashwar was in the tree outside because

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00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:48,440
Speaker 1: her people lived in trees and they would walk into

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Speaker 1: his room and they see things levitating and things like

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00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:54,360
Speaker 1: this at the hands of this Ashwar. Right, So we

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00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:57,320
Speaker 1: went out and uh, we pointed our infrared, a little

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00:33:57,360 --> 00:34:01,800
Speaker 1: simple infrared video camera up into the tree and uh,

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00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:04,240
Speaker 1: about six seconds and you can see that this thing

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00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:08,120
Speaker 1: that looks like a white tadpole coming down out of

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Speaker 1: the tree and then there's a flash and it disappears.

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00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:14,200
Speaker 1: This video is available on the Behind the Paranormal with

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00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:17,160
Speaker 1: Paul and Man you know, facebook page if people want

534
00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:21,480
Speaker 1: to see it. And that was pretty remarkable because that

535
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:24,279
Speaker 1: series never got anywhere. But that's the sort of thing

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00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:26,720
Speaker 1: we deal with. And when when you look outside the box,

537
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:29,719
Speaker 1: as the cliche goes, you find all kinds of things.

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00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:34,680
Speaker 1: You don't look at me, You're just looking at dead people. Right. Wow,

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00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:38,440
Speaker 1: that's that's that's incredible. So since you two are always

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00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:42,839
Speaker 1: venturing off and finding new things to to dive into,

541
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:47,799
Speaker 1: what what is the latest? What where are you going? Well,

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00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:51,839
Speaker 1: then unfortunately we had to stay home and uh run

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00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:53,960
Speaker 1: the thing from our radio station because we were doing

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00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:57,480
Speaker 1: a to our special from the Pennsylvania Triangle, which is

545
00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:01,319
Speaker 1: our latest thing. And we have our family has kind

546
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:03,239
Speaker 1: of grown in the sense of, uh, you know, we

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00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:06,320
Speaker 1: we don't really have a team with a third deputy assistant,

548
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:09,200
Speaker 1: Hancho and all that nonsense. You know, we have a

549
00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 1: group of of friends who have different talents. And of

550
00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:17,239
Speaker 1: course in this particular case, there was Shane Seerway, who

551
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:19,960
Speaker 1: was a tremendous investigator. You you should have them out

552
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 1: if you haven't hiding. Alexander Pennacoft, the filmmaker, h Charles Credo,

553
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:30,400
Speaker 1: the uh great interviewer of the Galileo interviews, and they

554
00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:33,560
Speaker 1: all came down, a couple of other people and we were, uh,

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00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:37,000
Speaker 1: in the there's a there's a lovely couple who hosts

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00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:39,240
Speaker 1: us as sort of at their house as a base camp,

557
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:43,520
Speaker 1: and uh, this area is expanding as well. Everybody. We

558
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:47,880
Speaker 1: have neighborhood meetings where everybody has seen bigfoot. Uh. Sometimes

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00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:49,840
Speaker 1: they will agree to be interviewed on camera. We have

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00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:53,240
Speaker 1: interviews with one family with three generations who had bigfoot

561
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:58,760
Speaker 1: and UFO experiences. Uh. I myself had a big foot encounter,

562
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:01,600
Speaker 1: so did Shane Strange lights in the sky which we

563
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:05,759
Speaker 1: had photographs. But then UM another person involved as Mark

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00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:09,359
Speaker 1: D'Antonio and that group of moufon and he will he

565
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:13,120
Speaker 1: was not with us on this um by nineteen trip

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00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:15,080
Speaker 1: and he will suffer terrible anguish for the rest of

567
00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:17,279
Speaker 1: his life because he didn't come with us. Because we

568
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:22,799
Speaker 1: had a UFO sighting, an incredible one of that we

569
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:26,520
Speaker 1: got on video and that video was also available on

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00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:30,200
Speaker 1: Facebook page behind the paranormal phone, you know. And we

571
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:34,440
Speaker 1: also after that occurred the following night, we had an

572
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:38,160
Speaker 1: audio experience and and then jumped in on that because

573
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:43,800
Speaker 1: his expertise is audio engineering, and that we had the

574
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:47,480
Speaker 1: UFO sighting, which was a craft that seemed or something

575
00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:49,360
Speaker 1: maybe a living thing that seemed to come out of

576
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:53,319
Speaker 1: this cloud, very strange cloud that was moving down the

577
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:57,120
Speaker 1: sky and went in the other end. Uh. And if

578
00:36:57,200 --> 00:37:00,280
Speaker 1: our theories are correct, not to do any controm Asian

579
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:05,200
Speaker 1: bias here, but uh, this is actually a physicists um

580
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:10,440
Speaker 1: rendering of what would be a white hole. And there

581
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:13,279
Speaker 1: was a dark ish mask kind of coming out the

582
00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:16,080
Speaker 1: bottom of it as well, all moving through the sky.

583
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:17,840
Speaker 1: We got the whole thing on video and and it

584
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:22,920
Speaker 1: was possibly a an intersect point in this flat area.

585
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:25,400
Speaker 1: And uh, you know, it's where did the bigfoot come from?

586
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:28,560
Speaker 1: And go, I mean it's not a wilderness area the

587
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:32,000
Speaker 1: UFOs as well, so that that's visible on the Facebook page.

588
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:35,880
Speaker 1: And uh, Ben was able to analyze the tone, and

589
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:39,120
Speaker 1: you want to tell him about the tone, then sure, Uh,

590
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:41,960
Speaker 1: it's interesting because it was like a like a perfect sea,

591
00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:46,319
Speaker 1: which is kind of hard to know. The weird thing

592
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:48,680
Speaker 1: about it was it sounded like it was generated from

593
00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:54,360
Speaker 1: somewhere or by something. So my first questions were, Okay,

594
00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:58,200
Speaker 1: was there like a well laundry apparatus anyway, any sort

595
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:02,040
Speaker 1: of like washing machine, refrigerator or any appliances that could

596
00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:04,759
Speaker 1: make a make a make a beeping sound. Was told no,

597
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:08,080
Speaker 1: And the fact that it moved around made it more interesting.

598
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:10,640
Speaker 1: And an even more interesting thing was no one else

599
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:12,600
Speaker 1: in the house heard it unless they were in the garage,

600
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:17,640
Speaker 1: so it didn't penetrate any other surfaces, which is either

601
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:22,279
Speaker 1: it's like the perfect frequency that can't pass through like

602
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:26,360
Speaker 1: any other materials. So fun fact about sound, The reason

603
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:31,480
Speaker 1: why things sound muffled through doors is because certain frequencies

604
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:36,120
Speaker 1: can come through certain materials, others can't, depending on the

605
00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:39,480
Speaker 1: thickness of of whatever the material is, right, So that's

606
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:43,279
Speaker 1: why it sound travels faster underwater because it's thicker than air,

607
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:47,279
Speaker 1: or why it sounds why it's cooler or what when

608
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:49,399
Speaker 1: it's cooler outside or right after its snows, it's really

609
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:52,360
Speaker 1: quiet because the air molecules are super tight. Not a

610
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:55,720
Speaker 1: lot of things can pass through it. Um it really

611
00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:58,640
Speaker 1: it really kind of depends on on that. So I

612
00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:02,520
Speaker 1: thought it was super interesting that it didn't really nothing.

613
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:06,480
Speaker 1: It didn't pass through anything. And so the odd thing

614
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:10,520
Speaker 1: about it was it just it just came out of nowhere.

615
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:13,239
Speaker 1: But it was moving. So whatever was making whatever was

616
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:17,120
Speaker 1: doing it, or however it was happening, it was didn't

617
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:20,760
Speaker 1: seem mechanical. There's no natural means for it to occur

618
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:23,520
Speaker 1: that I can think of or see or find through

619
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:26,440
Speaker 1: any of the accounts I've heard or even hearing it myself.

620
00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:31,319
Speaker 1: Um so it's truly an anomaly. Well, it appeared over

621
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:34,600
Speaker 1: one of our heads in the garage. Uh started to move,

622
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:38,120
Speaker 1: went through a closed door. We followed it outside that

623
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:40,600
Speaker 1: this is after one o'clock in the morning. So it's pitchdog,

624
00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:43,920
Speaker 1: you know, middle of farm country. And it uh it

625
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:48,160
Speaker 1: moved to the right, powered down, powered back up, moved

626
00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:51,440
Speaker 1: to the left, and went off into the sky. So

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00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:54,440
Speaker 1: and we're all looking at each other, you know, And

628
00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:58,920
Speaker 1: fifty years I had never encountered anything like that. Interesting

629
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:02,880
Speaker 1: thing was that we had tried an experiment that that

630
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:05,440
Speaker 1: I had never done before, and that was to play

631
00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:10,000
Speaker 1: music and tones on two different occasions. And at one

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00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:12,279
Speaker 1: point in the upper field before the sun went down.

633
00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:15,920
Speaker 1: What right had my bigfoot experience? Like? Where where we'd

634
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:20,280
Speaker 1: obtained UFO photographs? Um? I I played some very haunting

635
00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:24,560
Speaker 1: music by an American composer more uh Morton Lawrenson, who

636
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:28,279
Speaker 1: writes some liturgical music. And it's it's a vocal and

637
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:31,880
Speaker 1: non instrumental acapella. Some of it's in Spanish, some of

638
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:37,200
Speaker 1: it's in English, you know, or it's various, but magnificent.

639
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:39,680
Speaker 1: He uses dissonance in a beautiful way, which is hard

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Speaker 1: to do that. Yeah, and all these weird lights started

641
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:46,880
Speaker 1: a flash around my truck when I played it. We

642
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:48,880
Speaker 1: went down and we did the SkyWatch. We had the

643
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:52,520
Speaker 1: UFO sighting. And then the next night we had been

644
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:56,400
Speaker 1: in a park which commemorates the existence of the UH

645
00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 1: of the Eastern Continental Divide. There's a lot of people

646
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:01,640
Speaker 1: there were never heard it, but it passes right through

647
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:04,200
Speaker 1: this land, right on top of it. When we're doing

648
00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:09,000
Speaker 1: this cake and usually and we came back after that, Uh,

649
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:11,960
Speaker 1: and we've played those sounds again and Shane had played

650
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:16,040
Speaker 1: some from Mount Shasta and UH, that's when the tone

651
00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:19,399
Speaker 1: experience occurred or was it something answering us. I don't

652
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:22,280
Speaker 1: thanks believe it or not. We've come to the bottom

653
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677
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:15,280
Speaker 1: on the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast AM

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00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:19,560
Speaker 1: Paranormal Podcast Network. So we're talking to Paul and then

679
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:22,520
Speaker 1: Eno and they are a father and son duel that

680
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:29,640
Speaker 1: have explored the ethers, from aliens to portals to bigfoot.

681
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:33,920
Speaker 1: I mean, is there anything that you two haven't really

682
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:38,040
Speaker 1: looked into much and you'd like to longness monster? I

683
00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:42,239
Speaker 1: knew it. I knew it. I just so knew it.

684
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:44,319
Speaker 1: I'm like since I saw a water horse when I

685
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:50,000
Speaker 1: was five, I knew one day I will go to Scotland.

686
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:54,120
Speaker 1: Have you heard about the recent sightings a lot of

687
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:57,760
Speaker 1: lake monsters popping up lately? Yeah, there acting up again,

688
00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:01,920
Speaker 1: I guess yeah. I mean I and be surprised. Togo

689
00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:05,000
Speaker 1: and Nessie has been seeing a few times and uh,

690
00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:08,319
Speaker 1: I didn't know that. Yeah. I have a theory about

691
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:10,439
Speaker 1: what's going on. I wrote it in my first book,

692
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:14,480
Speaker 1: The Secret War. Um, these beings that my college friend

693
00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:18,359
Speaker 1: and I had experiences with, said it is related to

694
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:23,640
Speaker 1: the beast in the Bible. Sure did really really weird. Um.

695
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:28,359
Speaker 1: So he both got quiet, like, like, hold on, what well?

696
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:32,200
Speaker 1: I mean two, that that that everybody down to five

697
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:34,480
Speaker 1: year olds has their own cell phone with video and

698
00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:37,680
Speaker 1: photo capability to right now, and that wasn't the case

699
00:44:37,719 --> 00:44:39,880
Speaker 1: in the fifties and sixties. I'm sure that helps. Oh,

700
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:42,279
Speaker 1: you know what, You're right, it's kind of cool that

701
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:45,799
Speaker 1: we can document so much more, and I think it's

702
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:48,200
Speaker 1: opening up a lot more minds out there, which is

703
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:51,320
Speaker 1: neat but then scary as well, because I think a

704
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:53,919
Speaker 1: lot of these folks are going all willy nilly into

705
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:57,040
Speaker 1: graveyards and conjuring up things. I know, I get the emails.

706
00:44:57,040 --> 00:45:00,560
Speaker 1: I'm sure you two do as well. Yeah. Well, one

707
00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:04,359
Speaker 1: thing is that I was gonna say, right around when

708
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:07,839
Speaker 1: COVID started, uh, there was all those sightings of moth

709
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:11,840
Speaker 1: Man in Chicago, and um, I I I sort of

710
00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:16,960
Speaker 1: had this this theory that's completely on unable to be proven,

711
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:19,359
Speaker 1: but that you know, people are sitting around their houses more.

712
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:21,560
Speaker 1: They're probably like, oh, that's kind of weird, and so

713
00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:24,439
Speaker 1: they're reporting more and more stuff, or they're just sitting

714
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:27,520
Speaker 1: there looking around, going for walks, looking found outside and

715
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:30,560
Speaker 1: they're just seeing more things. I lived in Chicago when

716
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:33,840
Speaker 1: they started, uh about three or four years ago. Um,

717
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:36,799
Speaker 1: when they were just starting to creep up, and I

718
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:39,160
Speaker 1: was looking, man, I was looking. I'm like darted, I

719
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:44,520
Speaker 1: can't find these things. Hey, you know, maybe one day

720
00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:47,360
Speaker 1: you'll be face to face with the Man of moth himself.

721
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:51,160
Speaker 1: Oh boy, Yeah, I hope not. But it's nothing. Uh,

722
00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:54,120
Speaker 1: nothing i'd want to see personally. But I mean it's

723
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:56,480
Speaker 1: not not one on one, not one on one you

724
00:45:56,520 --> 00:46:00,080
Speaker 1: know distance Okay, you know, but not hey, buddy, how

725
00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:04,480
Speaker 1: you doing? No? Actually, talk to people who have had

726
00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:08,439
Speaker 1: very positive moth Man experiences, generally in the Hart Valley

727
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:12,000
Speaker 1: when they were kids. Uh one one person was telling

728
00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:15,680
Speaker 1: us that, you know, whereas everybody else was terrified by

729
00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:18,120
Speaker 1: the red eyes and all that sort of thing. Uh.

730
00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:22,319
Speaker 1: He the next day began to be able to do math.

731
00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:27,719
Speaker 1: He became a rather decent musician and an artist. So

732
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:30,200
Speaker 1: and he credits moth Man with that for a sort

733
00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:33,640
Speaker 1: of in some way awakening something in him that was

734
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:35,960
Speaker 1: very creative. And the end I ended up with a

735
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:41,440
Speaker 1: full boat scholarship to Harvard. So that's interesting. No, but

736
00:46:41,600 --> 00:46:45,040
Speaker 1: nobody's all bad, right, not even more. Oh, I don't know,

737
00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:47,360
Speaker 1: but it you know, but I hear this type of

738
00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:50,520
Speaker 1: thing when it comes to uh, alien encounters to like,

739
00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:52,520
Speaker 1: oh they taught me their language and all of a sudden,

740
00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:55,040
Speaker 1: I could do this and I can heal people. How

741
00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:59,239
Speaker 1: do you guys interpret that type of thing? Well, we

742
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:02,799
Speaker 1: we are cautious about how we interpret it. Um, we

743
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:04,799
Speaker 1: don't we don't take anything in face value. That was

744
00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:09,160
Speaker 1: my trouble in the seminary. I questioned everything, and uh,

745
00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:11,839
Speaker 1: you know, I would like to see the fruits of

746
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:16,560
Speaker 1: it before making a judgment. When it comes to aliens, Um,

747
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:20,000
Speaker 1: the four entities I encountered in that bridge board house

748
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:22,560
Speaker 1: in the nineties, everywhere we're supposed to have been demons,

749
00:47:22,680 --> 00:47:25,680
Speaker 1: that was our, the warrants, that was their interpretation. The

750
00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:27,839
Speaker 1: priests with us, that was his and it was mine.

751
00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:34,560
Speaker 1: And uh, but they were they were alien, utterly alien

752
00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:36,200
Speaker 1: in every sense of the word. I don't mean there

753
00:47:36,239 --> 00:47:39,319
Speaker 1: was from another planet? What what what does that even mean?

754
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:43,480
Speaker 1: If this multiverse stuff is correct? And uh, so I

755
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:45,839
Speaker 1: know that these are these are labels we put on

756
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:52,040
Speaker 1: things that may have uh completely undersell the actual reality

757
00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:56,359
Speaker 1: behind the phenomenon we're experiencing or trying to define. So

758
00:47:56,480 --> 00:47:59,879
Speaker 1: I don't know, Ben, Maybe it was something to say, UM, well,

759
00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:04,239
Speaker 1: excuse me. I don't know. Um, I've never really run

760
00:48:04,280 --> 00:48:08,400
Speaker 1: into anybody that's that's had that that experience where all

761
00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:12,560
Speaker 1: of a sudden, you know, they can read minds or

762
00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:16,759
Speaker 1: heal people and stuff. Um, I I don't think I

763
00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:19,200
Speaker 1: could even begin to make a judgment against it because

764
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:22,359
Speaker 1: I don't know what they experienced. Um. What I do know,

765
00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:28,440
Speaker 1: at least what I vaguely know, maybe an inclination is um,

766
00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:34,320
Speaker 1: things aren't always as they appear. It's uh, it's you know,

767
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:37,200
Speaker 1: you kind of gotta kind of gotta watch things and

768
00:48:37,239 --> 00:48:40,040
Speaker 1: see see where they go. It's like, um, I made

769
00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:44,320
Speaker 1: this observation, uh a couple of weeks ago and several

770
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:47,799
Speaker 1: times before on our show where you know you have

771
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:50,200
Speaker 1: you know, psychic mediums that are you know, they do

772
00:48:50,239 --> 00:48:52,239
Speaker 1: all these really great things, but their personal lives are

773
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:56,200
Speaker 1: an absolute mess. And um, you know you you wonder why,

774
00:48:56,680 --> 00:49:00,640
Speaker 1: And in a part of me thinks, um that there's

775
00:49:00,680 --> 00:49:02,840
Speaker 1: always there's always a little bit more to the story.

776
00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:06,400
Speaker 1: So I think that, you know, I can't venture to

777
00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:09,120
Speaker 1: guess or say someone's a fraud or anything like that

778
00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:11,520
Speaker 1: because it's something really not really my place, and I

779
00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:13,880
Speaker 1: don't really know, because all we really know is what

780
00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:17,200
Speaker 1: we experience. Yeah, yeah, I I usually say, you know,

781
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:19,759
Speaker 1: it's hard for me to judge what somebody believes would

782
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:23,080
Speaker 1: be true for themselves. I'm biased because I have a

783
00:49:23,120 --> 00:49:25,799
Speaker 1: perspective of a Christian and I'll just say that out right.

784
00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:27,920
Speaker 1: You know and say, I believe it might be this

785
00:49:28,120 --> 00:49:31,399
Speaker 1: or it might be that. So you know, it's uh yeah,

786
00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:35,000
Speaker 1: everything is so subjective but fascinating to pull it all in.

787
00:49:35,239 --> 00:49:39,080
Speaker 1: I'm curious what you both think about this whole UFO

788
00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:43,319
Speaker 1: disclosure that's about to go down. I don't trust it

789
00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:46,839
Speaker 1: one bit. I thank you, thank you. I'm the same way,

790
00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:49,720
Speaker 1: like suddenly they're generous and they're just gonna the kindness

791
00:49:49,719 --> 00:49:52,040
Speaker 1: of the hearts. Tell us what's going on? Well, I mean,

792
00:49:52,080 --> 00:49:54,480
Speaker 1: the world's going up in flames, right, you know, you

793
00:49:54,560 --> 00:49:58,080
Speaker 1: have you know, the Israeli Palestinian conflict flaring back up again,

794
00:49:58,200 --> 00:50:02,680
Speaker 1: the whole Seria thing, you know, pre economic collapse. We're

795
00:50:02,719 --> 00:50:05,360
Speaker 1: looking at and and it's like, oh, by the way, aliens,

796
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:10,840
Speaker 1: so oh, let's like my my, my lovely wife. I

797
00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:14,360
Speaker 1: love her dearly, but she has TikTok and she'll watch

798
00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:16,440
Speaker 1: she'll flip through a couple of a couple of things

799
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:18,160
Speaker 1: on there. And something popped up that was like get

800
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:21,200
Speaker 1: ready for disclosure, And I was like, oh god, I

801
00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:24,160
Speaker 1: just joined TikTok, not till one ago. So I feel

802
00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:27,239
Speaker 1: like I've been missing a lot. Just wait, just wait

803
00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:29,440
Speaker 1: till you get to UFO talk, it's gonna be great.

804
00:50:30,040 --> 00:50:34,400
Speaker 1: Um so, but Mary, Mary, and my my lovely wife,

805
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:36,839
Speaker 1: was like, oh, what's that mean? And so I was like,

806
00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:40,560
Speaker 1: all right, all right, sweetie, here's here's the low down.

807
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:43,520
Speaker 1: And I gave her a very quick synopsis and I

808
00:50:43,560 --> 00:50:48,000
Speaker 1: was like, all right, So it's probably not true. It's

809
00:50:48,040 --> 00:50:53,759
Speaker 1: probably half truths mixed with like quarter truths mixed with here,

810
00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:57,759
Speaker 1: look over here, look at this, and let's not pay

811
00:50:57,800 --> 00:51:02,480
Speaker 1: attention to that. I've heard theories that I can't I

812
00:51:02,560 --> 00:51:06,120
Speaker 1: don't know if they're true. I that thereby they might be.

813
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:09,239
Speaker 1: I've I've heard the theories before, and I'm sure you

814
00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:13,360
Speaker 1: both have that there's um, you know, a fake UFO

815
00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:18,279
Speaker 1: invasion that's planned, like a huge false flag operations, and

816
00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:20,680
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, I think it's more

817
00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:23,359
Speaker 1: like it's just kind of a trick to get people

818
00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:28,920
Speaker 1: to look away from something else. We're on a lot

819
00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:32,399
Speaker 1: of panels at UFO conferences and this always comes up,

820
00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:36,280
Speaker 1: and we'll have uh, you know this, you know, luminaries

821
00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:38,000
Speaker 1: of the fields saying oh, I think this is the

822
00:51:38,080 --> 00:51:40,919
Speaker 1: year for this closure, and they'll get to us. We'll say,

823
00:51:41,160 --> 00:51:43,520
Speaker 1: all right, show of hands, who who here? Blues. What

824
00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:47,240
Speaker 1: the government says. Everybody groans, you know, in the audience.

825
00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:50,319
Speaker 1: And uh now, I'm not saying that that the video

826
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:54,960
Speaker 1: has been released is not true or anything, but I

827
00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:57,920
Speaker 1: think that that there's nothing being released that I've heard

828
00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:01,880
Speaker 1: words are videos that anybody in this field has not

829
00:52:02,040 --> 00:52:05,680
Speaker 1: known for fifty years, thank you, and that grainy a

830
00:52:05,800 --> 00:52:09,320
Speaker 1: grainy video. Come on now, flip the camera so we

831
00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:12,160
Speaker 1: could see the nice shiny ride they've gotten their garage.

832
00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:15,319
Speaker 1: What are they showing these little TikTok things? Emmy, come

833
00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:19,120
Speaker 1: on right, I'd like to know how the company, the

834
00:52:19,160 --> 00:52:21,640
Speaker 1: Italian company that makes TikTok, how much they're they're paying

835
00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:24,840
Speaker 1: them to use the term. Well, I think it's interesting.

836
00:52:25,239 --> 00:52:28,759
Speaker 1: It's um you know, you kind of see see what

837
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:31,640
Speaker 1: they're what they're doing with it, and you can kind

838
00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:35,239
Speaker 1: of see how um you know they're they're saying all

839
00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:38,200
Speaker 1: these all these things, and it's nice to be told

840
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:41,560
Speaker 1: you're right, you knew it, you knew it all along.

841
00:52:41,719 --> 00:52:45,000
Speaker 1: A plus, guys you you follow just sat there you

842
00:52:45,120 --> 00:52:47,880
Speaker 1: knew it. And I think that's probably the whole appeal

843
00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:51,319
Speaker 1: of um disclosure is you know you're saying all these

844
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:55,200
Speaker 1: things for years. True believers stuff, and finally, like the

845
00:52:55,320 --> 00:52:59,000
Speaker 1: main opponent that you've been you know, against forever, the

846
00:52:59,080 --> 00:53:02,959
Speaker 1: United States government, and says, you're right, good job, you win. Yeah,

847
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:05,479
Speaker 1: here's a here's a trophy, here's a cookie, go home,

848
00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:09,960
Speaker 1: and your your job is done. It's right right, And

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Speaker 1: Like you're not the weird one now, you're the knowledgeable

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Speaker 1: one that everybody's gonna need in this time to really

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Speaker 1: But you know, we're already coming to the end of this.

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Speaker 1: And I want people to uh get a chance to

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Speaker 1: hear about your latest books on your website again if

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Speaker 1: you could, sure behind the paranormal dot com and all

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Speaker 1: I think wonderful. Well, you know, Paul and Ben, you know,

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Speaker 1: I really can't thank you both enough for coming on.

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Speaker 1: I've known you for years now, and uh, gosh, it's

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Speaker 1: it's always a great joy. I always learned so much

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Speaker 1: from you both. Thank you. It's very nice. Uh appreciate

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Speaker 1: compliment in the words of the great Mark Twins. There

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Speaker 1: you go, There goes Ben and Paul. You know, thank

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Speaker 1: you both for a cup. Say I got your name

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Speaker 1: in for There you go. Those two are so much fun.

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Speaker 1: You have been listening to another awesome episode, and remember

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Speaker 1: go to shadow Folks dot com or Heidi Hollis dot com.

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Speaker 1: Send over whatever it is that you're experiencing out there,

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Speaker 1: there as you'd like. We will catch you next time.

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Speaker 1: You have been listening to Dark Becomes Light with me

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Speaker 1: Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. Catch you next time. Stay safe, everybody.

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