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Speaker 1: This is the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson

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Speaker 1: on your twenty four to seven home of the Black

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Speaker 1: and Gold Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Drive. I am Dale LOLLI he is

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Speaker 2: the Matt Williamson, and I want to say, nice Friday outside. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: expecting a good weekend. Super warm, right right right? Not

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Speaker 2: super chilly.

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Speaker 3: It's sunny and clear, and it's hard to argue with

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Speaker 3: that spring you know.

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Speaker 2: It's I mean tomorrows June first? Is tomorrow June first?

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Speaker 2: Or yeah?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Then so yeah, it's thirty first, so yeah, beautiful

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Speaker 3: day and Sunday is supposed to be a little rainy,

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Speaker 3: but oh well, I'm psyched for a good weekend.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll just deal with it. So, Matt, in the

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Speaker 2: last oh, I don't know what, two months, two and

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Speaker 2: a half months, yes, and the whole off season, we've

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Speaker 2: seen a bunch of wide receivers now get deals again

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Speaker 2: that have really upped the anny at that position in

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Speaker 2: a big way.

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Speaker 3: It's almost mimicking quarterbacks where I'm starting to look at

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Speaker 3: this way like I've talked about quarterback contracts for a

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Speaker 3: couple of years now in this light, and I love

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Speaker 3: the reference Mike Sandos quarterback tiers. Whether you agree with

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Speaker 3: the tiers or not, whatever, But a Tier one quarterback,

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Speaker 3: here's a blank check. Yeah, Josh Allen, whatever, here's a

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Speaker 3: blank check. We're thrilled to have you. There's nothing we

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Speaker 3: can pay you that's too much. Great, everybody wins Tier

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Speaker 3: two quarterback. I'm pretty much on board as well. I mean,

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Speaker 3: like chances of me upgrading are really slim. Tier one

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Speaker 3: guys don't grow on trees. You're pretty much worth whatever

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Speaker 3: the market is whenever you're up, and we'll pay it,

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Speaker 3: and all's well. But when you get into tier three,

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Speaker 3: then I think it gets dicey. I mean the goths,

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Speaker 3: the tuas, the cousins that are you know, all relevant

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Speaker 3: right now. They're okay, you can win with them, you

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Speaker 3: can win with them, But can I win with them

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Speaker 3: in their forty five million? I mean, because then I

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Speaker 3: don't get it to your one receiver. So I think

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Speaker 3: receivers are becoming similar, Like justin Jefferson ellen Foy even mentioned.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, yeah he's not.

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Speaker 3: He's not.

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Speaker 2: I'm looking right now at a list right now the

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Speaker 2: top ten highest paid receivers in terms of average annual value.

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Speaker 2: Now heading into the NFL in the twenty twenty four season.

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Speaker 2: He found yet he's not on this list. It's Aj

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Speaker 2: Brown at thirty two million, ok a, mon Ross Saint

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Speaker 2: Brown who just signed a new deal. Brown A, yeah,

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Speaker 2: is just over thirty million, thirty million and thirty point

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Speaker 2: two million. Yeah, Tyreek Hill at thirty million. Remember he

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Speaker 2: was the bar. He's way before these guys, right. Jaylen

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Speaker 2: Waddell now twenty eight point two five million, So Dolphins

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Speaker 2: now almost sixty million.

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Speaker 3: Dollars tied up to two guys, and Odell's not playing

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Speaker 3: for nothing, right yeah? Right?

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Speaker 2: Uh, Devonte Adams twenty eight million, that's an old deal.

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Speaker 3: That's an older dealer.

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Speaker 2: Cooper Cup six point seven million, that's an old deal, yeah,

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Speaker 2: Devonte Smith twenty five man, Well, that's a new deal.

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Speaker 2: They're paying their two receivers fifty seven.

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Speaker 3: Million dollars and to both new deals.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Nico Collins who just signed a new deal this week,

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Speaker 2: twenty four point two five million dollars, Okay, DK Metcalf

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Speaker 2: twenty four million dollars, and then Deebo Samuel twenty three

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Speaker 2: point eighty five. And that's an older deal.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and so's DKs actually so I'm trying to think

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Speaker 3: who else recently signed. I think that's it. Saint Brown,

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Speaker 3: both Eagles, Wattle, Nico.

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Speaker 2: If you're the Bengals and Vikings right now, you're going,

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Speaker 2: oh boy, yeah, that's what I say.

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Speaker 3: Like Higgins is gonna want in that neighborhood, He's not

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Speaker 3: going to get it from them, but on the open

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Speaker 3: market he probably will and'll probably get thirty Yeah, and

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Speaker 3: probably with him I think will probably be a little

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Speaker 3: bit of an overspend. But that's because he's actually on

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Speaker 3: the market, right. I mean, if Waddle would have hit

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Speaker 3: the market, or Smith or whatever would have got more

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Speaker 3: than this as well. But there's something to be said

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Speaker 3: for the play to return to your system, get it

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Speaker 3: now as opposed to a year from now, big signing bonus.

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Speaker 3: But back to Jefferson, he's worth more than all those guys.

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Speaker 3: He might at thirty five. Yeah, I would just wait.

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Speaker 3: I mean, ceedee, Lamb's still looming.

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Speaker 2: That's another one. Yeah, the Cowboys can't be real happy about.

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Speaker 3: This, no, And see, I think the Eagles are one

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Speaker 3: of the smartest organizations. They got at least ahead of it.

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Speaker 3: You don't want to be last as a team, and

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Speaker 3: if I'm Lamb.

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Speaker 2: They're still paying fifty seven million dollars to two wide

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Speaker 2: receivers and they're primarily a running team, right, and their

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Speaker 2: quarterback they gave and they're paying their running back a

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean they're all in. I was gonna

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Speaker 3: say so, if I'm Lamb, I think I come in

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Speaker 3: with the aj Brown contract as a jumping off point. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I mean if I mean, you're not going to sign

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Speaker 3: the Nico deal, You're not going to sign the Waddle

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Speaker 3: deal if you're him, And if I'm Jefferson, I'm coming in,

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Speaker 3: like I said, with a black check. I mean, like

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Speaker 3: all those aren't relevant to me. And then Jamar Chase

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Speaker 3: is going to be in that neighborhood a year from that.

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Speaker 3: I mean he's a year after Higgins. I think there's

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Speaker 3: a fifty year option that Higgins.

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Speaker 2: Right, he just finished year three, right.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that sounds right. So we got a little bit

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Speaker 3: of time on him. But Jefferson's an upcoming free agent.

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Speaker 3: He might get forty.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know he might.

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Speaker 3: I mean, if Lamb gets thirty five.

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Speaker 2: And there's some probably some people out there we're not

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Speaker 2: even thinking about right now, somebody else is gonna. I mean,

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Speaker 2: nobody thought Nico.

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Speaker 3: Colin yukes the other one, yeah's gonna.

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Speaker 2: Nobody thought Nico Collins was gonna get twenty four point

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Speaker 2: twenty five million.

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Speaker 3: And I think that's a bargain. I mean, with all

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Speaker 3: the new contracts. I mean, I thought he was really

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Speaker 3: good two years ago, just didn't have anyone to get

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Speaker 3: in the ball, and last year he was great. But

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Speaker 3: you're still kind of bargaining. I mean, you're still kind

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Speaker 3: of betting on the future a little bit. There's not

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Speaker 3: as much of a track, un.

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Speaker 2: I mean, we talked about this when they traded for

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Speaker 2: Stephan Diggs. Yeah, he might not even be the number

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Speaker 2: one receiver on Houston's team. I think he's gonna be

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Speaker 2: a three, right, Yeah, it worst, you know, at best,

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Speaker 2: he's two, because you don't pay Nico Collins twenty four

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Speaker 2: point twenty five million to not throwing the football.

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Speaker 3: No. No, I think he'll be the leading receiver. I

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Speaker 3: think Dell will be two. And come week two or three,

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Speaker 3: postgame interviews with Digs are gonna be why I get

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Speaker 3: the ball?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, throwing the football?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And he's a one year round yelling at.

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Speaker 2: The yelling at c j Stroud on the sideline.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, when they're winning big and they're scoring touchdowns and

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Speaker 3: he's not getting the ball. Yeah, So of course this

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Speaker 3: leads us to the Steelers, and Deontay is up after

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Speaker 3: this year.

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Speaker 2: Right, he would have been up after this season. I

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Speaker 2: don't think he's in that neighborhood. He might. He could

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Speaker 2: probably get twenty.

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Speaker 3: I bet he can't get twenty though.

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Speaker 2: You know, if you're the Carolina Panthers.

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Speaker 3: He's gonna get so many targets this year.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's I mean, he's gonna get twenty million dollars

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Speaker 2: a year. And he would have wanted twenty million dollars

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Speaker 2: a year from the Steelers because that's the going rate.

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Speaker 2: And I don't blame him for receivers of I mean.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it just is that's the going rate. Yeah, and

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Speaker 3: I think, I mean, we had time. But you hope

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Speaker 3: Pickens is in this dilemma slash conversation when it hits

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Speaker 3: his time. And okay, I mean, if he's a Tier

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Speaker 3: one or a Tier two guy kind of along those

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Speaker 3: quarterback conversations, great, I'm cool with it. But I also

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Speaker 3: wonder what's different about the quarterback conversation is what if

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Speaker 3: what if. And the Steelers are the best example of

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Speaker 3: maybe the whole league in Green Bay. Let's just draft

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Speaker 3: one on Day two every year, every year, every year,

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Speaker 3: and when you're.

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Speaker 2: Taking third round, even if it's early in the fourth

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Speaker 2: round or whatever, you whenever you have to do it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean not necessarily the first round. But if

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Speaker 3: there's someone there in the first round you love, great,

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Speaker 3: but you probably won't have a huge receiver. Need to

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Speaker 3: use your first round pick on. You could use that

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Speaker 3: on tackles or what defensive ends or whatever, and just

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Speaker 3: take a Day two a day pick forty to one hundred,

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Speaker 3: you know, something like that receiver every year. Even if

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Speaker 3: you hit on half of them, you're gonna have a

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Speaker 3: really good cheap receiver room. And you're gonna get compickts

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Speaker 3: when they leave or you trade them when they go

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Speaker 3: into this stage for a first round pick, like a yeah,

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Speaker 3: and they're worth it, someone's gonna give it to you.

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Speaker 2: Well, let's look at it from this angle.

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Speaker 3: So A. J.

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Speaker 2: Brown was the second round.

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Speaker 3: Pick that they traded, got a first four not long ago.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Aman Ross Saint Brown was a four think he

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Speaker 2: was a four? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Tyreek Hill was a five. Yeah, yeah, yeah, extenuating circumstances.

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Speaker 2: Wattall was a one, DeVante Adams was a two. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Cooper Cup was a three.

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Speaker 2: Uh, DeVante Smith was a one. Nico Collins was a four.

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Speaker 2: I think I believe. Yeah, Metcalf was a three. He

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Speaker 2: was drafted right before Deontay Johnson, so he was a

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Speaker 2: two right, uh late to because det was Deontay was

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Speaker 2: the second pick of the third round, if I remember correctly. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Metcalf went like two picks ahead of.

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Speaker 3: The I remember Deontay was a sixty six pick overall. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: so okay, yeah, and.

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Speaker 2: Then Deebo Samuel was a two that same year. So

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Speaker 2: you're not talking about a lot of first round receivers here, right.

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Speaker 3: And a lot of first round receivers have busted. I mean,

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Speaker 3: Higgins is a two, he's coming up right, ayuxe one

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Speaker 3: but not a top ten pick.

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Speaker 2: Chase was a one.

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Speaker 3: Chase was a special player.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Jeff Jefferson was a mid first Yeah, he was

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Speaker 2: like twenty two. He went right behind Jalen Rigor. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So if you maybe volumes the way to go, and

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Speaker 3: then when I mean just think right now, if Minnesota

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Speaker 3: said we're not gonna pay Jefferson and we're gonna shop them.

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Speaker 3: They think two first.

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Speaker 2: Four easily easily easily two first round.

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Speaker 3: Picks, and if they just continue to use second day picks,

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Speaker 3: they might be okay at receiver, especially if you have

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Speaker 3: a big time quarterback.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's kind of what the Chiefs are doing.

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Speaker 3: You know, they let Tyreek go Mahomes and kind of

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Speaker 3: the Bills too. I mean, if you've Tier one quarterback,

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Speaker 3: that sure makes it easier. But it's interesting. I mean,

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Speaker 3: the Steelers been so good at developing mid round receivers.

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Speaker 3: Maybe you just run them for.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, because at least you have the power, is

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Speaker 2: To you to get like sixteen million.

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Speaker 2: I want you to do really well.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you'renna get really rich. Yeah it might not be from.

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Speaker 2: Us, but somebody's gonna somebody's gonna throw a boatload of

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Speaker 3: And you'll be mad at us a year from now

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Speaker 2: You know, because I think because of the supply, the

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Speaker 3: Some will become stars, some won't, But if you're an

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Speaker 2: You know what I mean, So not even one hundred

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's interesting to me because then what do I

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll draft those guys, keep them for ten years

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Speaker 2: Right, yeah, yeah, you know, but you know your stars

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean every year a guy that's under six

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Speaker 3: to two comes in and starts. That never was a case.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, Let's get to a break. Matt. He is

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Speaker 2: Matt Williamson. I am Dale Lollie. You're listening to the

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Speaker 2: And we are back. I am Dale Lolli. He is

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Speaker 2: the Matt Williamson and Matt I'm looking here. Gennaro Felice

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Speaker 2: on NFL dot Com is put together a list of

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Speaker 2: the AFC's most underappreciated players for each team, one for

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Speaker 2: each team.

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Speaker 3: I like it.

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Speaker 2: So let's go ahead and take a look here at

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Speaker 2: this list and we'll get to the Steelers last.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, hang out there.

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Speaker 2: Uh so for the for the Ravens. Patrick McCarry, that's.

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Speaker 3: A good one. I mean he gets asked to do

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Speaker 3: a lot.

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Speaker 2: He has started games at all five five offensive line spots.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean he is the perfect six man. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I mean I can do it all. I'm not a

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Speaker 3: master of any but Matt Filer, Yeah, that's a valuable guy.

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Speaker 3: I mean, always going to be active on game day,

461
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Speaker 3: first guy to go down, or hey, you gotta start

462
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Speaker 3: four games, or he may even be a starter week one.

463
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Speaker 3: This year he might be some spot. Who knows.

464
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Speaker 2: He might have to have that happen.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Uh for the Buffet, it's a really good one. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: For the Buffalo Bills. Is Christian Benford a cornerback.

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Speaker 3: I don't know enough about him. I mean I know

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Speaker 3: that they're fond of them, and they've moved on from

470
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Speaker 3: White probably with him in mind.

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Speaker 2: Well, they took him one hundred and sixty two picks

472
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Speaker 2: after the same year he's been. The more he's been

473
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Speaker 2: the better player, the better player.

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Speaker 3: Better player. I mean that that's gold. But be nice.

475
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Speaker 2: Elam was right then they'd have for the Bengals. And

476
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Speaker 2: this is a bit of a projection. It's Chase Brown.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean we've seen one year. I like his style.

478
00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:17,960
Speaker 3: I mean, he's top, he sticks his face and protection,

479
00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:20,400
Speaker 3: he can catch a ball, He's got some home run speed.

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Speaker 3: I think he's a two. I mean I think Moss

481
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Speaker 3: is a two too, But I mean I think he's

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Speaker 3: worse than Moss.

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Speaker 2: He's kind of their Jalen Warren, Yeah, I mean had

484
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Speaker 2: much other Warren.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, I see you're saying. I mean he's mid

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Speaker 3: round pick, he's cheap, use them up.

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Speaker 2: Okay for the Browns cornerback Martin Emerson.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he's pretty good. I mean he's got size, he's

489
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Speaker 3: got length, he's physical. He was a bit of a

490
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Speaker 3: project coming out of school, and people don't like that word,

491
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Speaker 3: but sometimes projects turn into stars.

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Speaker 2: You know, the same thing about this, he said on

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Speaker 2: a recent episode of the Extras and Nose podcast Great Gosel.

494
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Speaker 2: I listened to that podcast and Doug Farrar I explored

495
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Speaker 2: the increase in press coverage across the league because of

496
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Speaker 2: the RPO concepts and there out there and these long

497
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Speaker 2: cornerbacks with long arms, Joey Porter Junior, absolutely Corey Trice.

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Speaker 2: You know they got the Darius Rush. These guys at

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Speaker 2: the Steelers have been acquiring at that position. That length

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Speaker 2: really helps you disrupt the RPO so much.

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Speaker 3: I think we talked about this earlier in the week,

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Speaker 3: I mean about that podcast. So I was just listening

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Speaker 3: to that same one and Greg said one hundred times

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Speaker 3: during the half hour podcast. Yeah, but he's got length

505
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Speaker 3: and he can just get his you know, he gets

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Speaker 3: he gets his arms in there on those quick hitting routes.

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Speaker 3: You know we talked about and we're talking about dtackles

508
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Speaker 3: at the end of the last segment. I mean, everything's

509
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Speaker 3: coming out quick, So maybe I don't have to turn

510
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Speaker 3: and burn, you know, as well as I used to.

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Speaker 3: If I can get my hands in there and just

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Speaker 3: be harder to throw around, it's huge right now.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. For the Broncos guard Quinn Minors.

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Speaker 3: Mmm, I think he's quickly becoming one of the best

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Speaker 3: guards in the league. Yeah, he's one of the bright

516
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Speaker 3: spots on that team that people don't realize. He's not

517
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Speaker 3: on the door of stardom. If a guy, if a

518
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Speaker 3: guard could be a star, he's knocking on the door.

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Speaker 3: He's really really good.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. For the Texans defensive lineman Denico Autry. Yeah, and

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Speaker 2: he's he could be on this list every year exactly.

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Speaker 3: I mean he's another one almost like McCary. If you

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Speaker 3: got to play some end okay, if you got to

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Speaker 3: play some no'se okay, And he's just been doing it

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Speaker 3: for a year. And yeah, he's a good player. Every

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Speaker 3: team would love to have a guy like that.

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Speaker 2: For the Indianapolis Colts, defensive end Samson Ecubam.

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Speaker 3: Okay, he was a ram right think. Okay, he's not special,

529
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Speaker 3: plays a run, He's tough. Okay.

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Speaker 2: For the Jaguars, safety Andre Cisco.

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Speaker 3: Splash player. I mean the knocks on him coming out

532
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Speaker 3: of Syracuse was too much splash, you know, it's too

533
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Speaker 3: up and down two roller coaster, and I think he's

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Speaker 3: leveled that out quite a bit, become a leader. He's

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Speaker 3: a good player.

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Speaker 2: For the Kansas City Chiefs, linebacker Drew Tranquell a really

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Speaker 2: good year.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he was a guy that we both kind of

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Speaker 2: looked at and free agency thought it'd be a pretty goodteeler.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely. You know, Bolton gets a little more of the headlines.

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Speaker 3: Willie Gay is now in New Orleans, and Tranquill's solid.

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Speaker 3: You know, he's very reliable.

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Speaker 2: For the Las Vegas Raiders, center Andre.

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Speaker 3: James, Yeah, they gave he was one that we talked

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Speaker 3: about when you know, even at the near the end

547
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Speaker 3: of the season, was there was six or so potential

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Speaker 3: free agent centers. They got a little more than I thought,

549
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Speaker 3: and a couple guys went back to their own team,

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Speaker 3: and none of them are superstars, but you can certainly

551
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Speaker 3: win with them. And they draft Jackson, powers Johnson to

552
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Speaker 3: put next to him, maybe replace him in two years

553
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Speaker 3: and who knows, you know.

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Speaker 2: For the Chargers wide receiver Josh Palmer, I was.

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Speaker 3: Just about to say that the Chargers need more of these,

556
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Speaker 3: They need more guys like that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they've got the high price guys.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they don't have lou Yeah. I think the middle class,

559
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Speaker 3: the tough guy, the lunch paiale. Dude, Palmer's fine. I

560
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Speaker 3: mean he would he would play for anyone, and probably

561
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Speaker 3: the three deep, but he's not the answer.

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Speaker 2: No, that's a that's a tough one.

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Speaker 3: That's tough one. I don't think that team needs more

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Speaker 3: of those.

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Speaker 2: For the Dolphins cornerback Kendall Fuller, all the foolers are

566
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Speaker 2: kind of the same, right, the solid players, the stars,

567
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Speaker 2: but there they can play inside and out, they can

568
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Speaker 2: play a little safety.

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Speaker 3: I get them all confused, you know.

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Speaker 2: Uh. For the Patriots linebacker Jilani Ty, Yeah, he had

571
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Speaker 2: a good year. Yeah it was a mid round pick.

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Speaker 2: That's come along.

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Speaker 3: Well. Actually, their whole defense is full of those guys.

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Speaker 3: I mean that's yeah, yeah. You know, back to the Chargers.

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Speaker 3: Hardball will develop those guys. Michigan had a million of

576
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Speaker 3: those guys, you know, I mean time, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

577
00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:57,639
Speaker 3: time and culture and Steelers have a lot of those guys.

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Speaker 2: For the Jets, Dan Tyler Conklin, I.

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Speaker 3: Think he's a lot better than people realize. Yeah, I mean,

580
00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:06,120
Speaker 3: he can get down the field. He's a good athlete.

581
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Speaker 3: Didn't burst on the scene in the league, but his

582
00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:11,640
Speaker 3: like yards for route run and things like that are

583
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Speaker 3: better than you would think. And they had like the

584
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Speaker 3: worst quarterback situation in the league last year. Yeah right,

585
00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:20,359
Speaker 3: he could be a sneaky late fantasy pick for.

586
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Speaker 2: The Tennessee Titans. It's nickelback Roger McCreery.

587
00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:28,240
Speaker 3: He's another tough guy. You know, he'll blitz, he'll play

588
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:31,600
Speaker 3: outside if he has to. You know, big running back

589
00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:33,840
Speaker 3: coming at him. He'll take him on head on and

590
00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:37,200
Speaker 3: show some toughness. And second round pick that's worked out,

591
00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:39,320
Speaker 3: can play man can play z own. Yeah, it's a

592
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Speaker 3: good one.

593
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Speaker 2: And finally for the Steelers, and it's a new guy

594
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Speaker 2: m safety Deshaun Elliott.

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Speaker 3: That's a good example too.

596
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Speaker 2: Like this, he's on his fourth team in seven seasons

597
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Speaker 2: in the NFL. But that doesn't mean he can't play.

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Speaker 3: I forget which podcast I was listening to, I'd reference it.

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Speaker 3: They were talking about Steelers offseason and said, Elliott's the

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00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:03,439
Speaker 3: guy that you don't notice. And I mean that in

601
00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:05,480
Speaker 3: a good way, right, you know, like sometimes that can

602
00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:07,359
Speaker 3: be a bad thing, but like, he just does his

603
00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:09,800
Speaker 3: job whatever you ask of him. He's not going to

604
00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:12,320
Speaker 3: stand out in a negative way. He'll make some plays

605
00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:13,919
Speaker 3: here and there, but he's not going to be all

606
00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:17,160
Speaker 3: over sports center. Great. I mean for what you're paying

607
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:20,280
Speaker 3: him at his age to compliment your star safety, I

608
00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:21,600
Speaker 3: think you'll be really happy with that.

609
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Speaker 2: And I think with the Steelers, like he's played some

610
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Speaker 2: free safety in his career, he's not gonna have to

611
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Speaker 2: do that in Pittsburgh.

612
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Speaker 3: Yeah, he has done it, and he hasn't been terrible

613
00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:31,840
Speaker 3: at it, but it's not what he's done best.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I think it's best in the box, Yeah, throwing

615
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:37,479
Speaker 2: his body around and stopping the run and finding up

616
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:39,920
Speaker 2: on tight ends and yeah, doing those kinds of things.

617
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:41,840
Speaker 2: And with the Steelers, he's going to be able to

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Speaker 2: do that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, even if it's KZ doing the centerfield stuff. You know,

620
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Speaker 3: I mean, you have two that can do it, which

621
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Speaker 3: most teams don't, so we don't need you to, but.

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Speaker 2: I'm glad you have it in your your back. Yeah yeah,

623
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Speaker 2: I mean you have that club you That was something

624
00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:56,720
Speaker 2: that they didn't have last year. So you know, they

625
00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:58,600
Speaker 2: had it, but they didn't with they had it with KZ.

626
00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:02,679
Speaker 2: But they and now they've got three guys you can

627
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:04,680
Speaker 2: trust that you can trust. If you had to play

628
00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:07,920
Speaker 2: any of those three guys in center field, you're fine.

629
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Speaker 3: You're fine. But he'd be third on the list.

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00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:12,960
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, whereas last year, you know, okay Man, you

631
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:15,760
Speaker 2: know MINC's Menca, you know the ks could do it,

632
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:18,200
Speaker 2: and then you weren't going to do it with anybody

633
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:19,080
Speaker 2: else on the last year.

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Speaker 3: I mean you're asked you you were straining for that.

635
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:24,600
Speaker 3: And back to our linebacker conversation we had the other day,

636
00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:27,520
Speaker 3: i mean they're load in the middle fields a strength

637
00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:29,920
Speaker 3: now where really it could have easily been a weakness. Yeah,

638
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:32,640
Speaker 3: I mean then there were times it was obviously a weakness.

639
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:36,080
Speaker 3: Who are three or four others you know, like back

640
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:38,080
Speaker 3: in the day, Darius Hayward Bay would have fit that

641
00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:41,360
Speaker 3: mold like you know, did the dirty work special team

642
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:43,880
Speaker 3: or like even like, I'm not even gonna call Killer

643
00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:45,600
Speaker 3: brew that because he is what he is.

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Speaker 2: He can't, yeah, he can't. He can't make that list

645
00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:49,320
Speaker 2: because of that.

646
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:52,440
Speaker 3: Like I hope Spencer Anderson turns into that as the

647
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:53,360
Speaker 3: McClary type.

648
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:55,960
Speaker 2: I mean, you could look at either you know, Sayamlu

649
00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:59,280
Speaker 2: you could look at either James Daniels. Yeah, either of

650
00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:01,440
Speaker 2: those two guys would would fit this mole because I

651
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:02,680
Speaker 2: don't think either one of them has ever been to

652
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:03,320
Speaker 2: a Pro Bowl.

653
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:07,600
Speaker 3: No, No, I'm digging deeper. I'm thinking like Connor Hayward, Yeah,

654
00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:10,000
Speaker 3: you could do five different things for me, and you know,

655
00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:13,800
Speaker 3: or Spencer Anderson, or could one of the d linemen

656
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:16,120
Speaker 3: be that dude like Watts was kind of that guy

657
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:18,960
Speaker 3: last year. I mean, these dudes are all better, bigger

658
00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:22,320
Speaker 3: names than that. But I'm just thinking versatile glue guys

659
00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:23,480
Speaker 3: you know on this team.

660
00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:25,440
Speaker 2: Could have been Ke Benton.

661
00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:29,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I think he's not. He's going to be

662
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:30,920
Speaker 3: He's like minors.

663
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:34,040
Speaker 2: Well, but that's fine. That works. That would have been

664
00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:36,200
Speaker 2: for this He can play in for me, he can

665
00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:38,480
Speaker 2: play nose tackle, He can do a lot of different

666
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:42,200
Speaker 2: stuff here that he might be a budding star. Yeah,

667
00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:46,200
Speaker 2: I think our listeners know that.

668
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:48,280
Speaker 3: They wouldn't know that. Yeah, that'd be a real good one.

669
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:52,160
Speaker 3: Yeah it could be. I was digging like bottom of

670
00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:54,680
Speaker 3: the roster guys, but no, they got plenty. I mean

671
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:57,920
Speaker 3: that'll be the glue for you. Underappreciated.

672
00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:01,240
Speaker 2: Really, Jalen Warren could have been that guy on this list.

673
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:04,520
Speaker 2: He's a little more again, a little more established.

674
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:07,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean so is high Smith. I mean Pro

675
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:10,480
Speaker 3: Football Focus did a most underrated player in every team,

676
00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:12,240
Speaker 3: and high Smith was the Steelers one.

677
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:14,880
Speaker 2: Yeah. He grades through the roof for those guys.

678
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:17,720
Speaker 3: And here's tons of pressures and a lot of sacks

679
00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:20,840
Speaker 3: over the last two years. And Joe Blow in Chicago

680
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:27,440
Speaker 3: or Washington, he's loots buddy. He stands alone. Yeah, right,

681
00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:30,360
Speaker 3: really good player, a really good player, and he's worth

682
00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:31,040
Speaker 3: every penny, you know.

683
00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:34,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's why I have to laugh every time there's

684
00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:37,080
Speaker 2: another radio host in town brings up by you know,

685
00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:39,760
Speaker 2: Steelers should trade high Smith for a wide receiver. I'm like,

686
00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:41,280
Speaker 2: why would you do that?

687
00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:42,960
Speaker 3: But it'd be a really, really good wider.

688
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:46,320
Speaker 2: We just talked about this twenty five million dollars a

689
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:49,800
Speaker 2: year finding high Smith's harder than finding a receiver, absolutely,

690
00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:51,280
Speaker 2: but that you can live with high Smith in the

691
00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:54,000
Speaker 2: third round is a bigger hit to me than DK

692
00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:56,320
Speaker 2: Metcalf in the third round.

693
00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:58,920
Speaker 3: I agree. I mean, all things considered, if you asked

694
00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:02,480
Speaker 3: a really impartial would I rather used my mid third

695
00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:06,600
Speaker 3: round pick on Alex high Smith or DK Metcalf. Everyone

696
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:09,440
Speaker 3: listening is probably like, oh, it's Metcalf. I don't think

697
00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:12,760
Speaker 3: I thinks harder to find. Yeah, those guys first round

698
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:14,680
Speaker 3: and the third round pick on receiver and get somebody.

699
00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:17,560
Speaker 2: I mean, if you look at the NFL sack leaders

700
00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:19,400
Speaker 2: and maybe we can do that in the next segment. Yeah,

701
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:21,600
Speaker 2: from from last year, I bet a lot of those

702
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:22,960
Speaker 2: guys were first round draft picks.

703
00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:25,880
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I mean besides Max Crosby, all the studs

704
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:27,920
Speaker 3: go early. Yeah, I mean yeah, it's.

705
00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:30,640
Speaker 2: A whereas the wide receiver positions kind of the opposite.

706
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:32,600
Speaker 3: A lot of Day two success, yeah, I mean, even

707
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:35,280
Speaker 3: like Michael Thomas was a great player for a long time.

708
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:36,760
Speaker 3: Day two player. I mean there's tons of those.

709
00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:39,040
Speaker 2: I mean, Antonio Brown was the best receiver in football

710
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:41,000
Speaker 2: for about six or seven years.

711
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:42,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, the sixth round draft pick. Yeah, I'm trying to

712
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:44,360
Speaker 3: think of some of the guys have been the best

713
00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:46,680
Speaker 3: in the league. I mean, yeah, there's the Julio's and

714
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:49,160
Speaker 3: Odell's that hit early, But doesn't mean you have to

715
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:51,400
Speaker 3: go shopping there, right, you know aj Green, you know,

716
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:52,120
Speaker 3: but you don't have to.

717
00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:55,760
Speaker 2: Day two is loaded, Yeah, absolutely, but an interesting list there.

718
00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:57,880
Speaker 2: It is, you know, a good way to think about

719
00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:02,080
Speaker 2: things too. You know, who are those guys that maybe

720
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:04,680
Speaker 2: you don't think about as a as a star, but

721
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:07,480
Speaker 2: they are that glue guy, the kind of I mean

722
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:10,040
Speaker 2: just being in there, it's like the dude's carpet. It

723
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:12,440
Speaker 2: brings the whole room together exactly.

724
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:16,960
Speaker 3: Just being with teams though. Coaching staffs adore those guys,

725
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:20,160
Speaker 3: and behind the walls they'll talk about, oh, I could

726
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:22,880
Speaker 3: trust Johnny. I mean, yeah, this guy's.

727
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:24,880
Speaker 2: I know he's going to do his assignment. I know, you.

728
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:27,840
Speaker 3: Know, him to do something he's not as comfortable with,

729
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:28,680
Speaker 3: but he'll figure it out.

730
00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:31,320
Speaker 2: That's what made you know, that's what made Ryan Clark

731
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:34,600
Speaker 2: and Chris Hope so good with with Troy Paula Malo.

732
00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:37,640
Speaker 2: They were they weren't great players, but they were good

733
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:40,480
Speaker 2: players that allowed your great player to be great.

734
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:43,440
Speaker 3: I bet we could make an extremely long list of

735
00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:46,480
Speaker 3: like the last two decades of Steelers and Patriots, it

736
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:48,640
Speaker 3: would fit this mold. Yeah, I mean, and there's a

737
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:49,560
Speaker 3: lot of wins between them.

738
00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:52,280
Speaker 2: You need those kind of guys to win those kind

739
00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:53,040
Speaker 2: of games.

740
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:55,920
Speaker 3: Not just Brady and Ben or you know, right, yeah, absolutely,

741
00:32:56,040 --> 00:33:00,480
Speaker 3: those guys go a long way. Yeah, let's get there's

742
00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:03,040
Speaker 3: tons exactly tough.

743
00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:05,400
Speaker 2: You know, it's Mark Yeah, thing you guys you can

744
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:07,680
Speaker 2: win with that you don't necessarily think about. And when

745
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:09,600
Speaker 2: they were drafted, you didn't draft them.

746
00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:11,320
Speaker 3: You knew he's not gonna be the best linebacker in

747
00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:12,920
Speaker 3: the league, right, you know, but right, but he's a

748
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:15,600
Speaker 3: hit for what you paid for him. He's never gonna

749
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:18,800
Speaker 3: break the bank. He's always we trustworthy and he makes plays. Yepeah,

750
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:19,320
Speaker 3: it's great.

751
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:23,120
Speaker 2: Absolutely, let's get to another break. He is the Matt Williamson.

752
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:25,400
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753
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:28,600
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754
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:33,200
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755
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756
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:39,120
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758
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764
00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:13,320
Speaker 2: Matt we mentioned in the previous segment the difference between

765
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:18,799
Speaker 2: drafting pass rushers in the first round versus drafting wide receivers,

766
00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:21,359
Speaker 2: and you can get them anywhere. So I'm looking here

767
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:24,520
Speaker 2: at the sack leaders over the last five seasons in

768
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:27,799
Speaker 2: the NFL. So does this combined sacks over five years

769
00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:30,239
Speaker 2: over the last five years. So you got t J.

770
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:32,920
Speaker 2: Watt at seventy six and a half, he's like by

771
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:35,600
Speaker 2: far number one, right, Yeah, he's like eight and a

772
00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:37,239
Speaker 2: half more than Miles.

773
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:37,799
Speaker 3: Being Garrett's right too.

774
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:40,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, but both first round draft pick, Garrett the number

775
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:43,160
Speaker 2: one overall pick in the draft, Trey Hendrickson at three.

776
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:46,239
Speaker 3: That's a great story a little bit, yeah, yeah, and

777
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:48,160
Speaker 3: he keeps getting better and better. He didn't burst on

778
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:49,000
Speaker 3: the scene as a star.

779
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:53,680
Speaker 2: But then you got Bosa Nick Yeah, Okay, first round

780
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:55,840
Speaker 2: draft pick. Yeah, early early second or third pick in

781
00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:56,160
Speaker 2: the draft.

782
00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:56,680
Speaker 3: Yeah.

783
00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:59,680
Speaker 2: Max Crosby another the good stories and an anomaly.

784
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:00,360
Speaker 3: Yeah.

785
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:06,160
Speaker 2: Aaron Donald first un draft, first draft pick, and you

786
00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:08,200
Speaker 2: got Jones of course.

787
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:08,920
Speaker 3: Chris Jones.

788
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:11,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, third round draft pick, but he was a second

789
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:13,240
Speaker 2: or second. But there were some there was some stuff,

790
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:15,120
Speaker 2: stuff off field stuff that you you know, there were

791
00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:18,440
Speaker 2: some concerns there. Uh Hassan Reddick first round draft.

792
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:21,040
Speaker 3: Pick, finally used correctly, right, he was gonna be a

793
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:22,400
Speaker 3: jack of all trades type, Okay.

794
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:25,480
Speaker 2: Khalil Mack first round draft pick, early early first round pick.

795
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:27,720
Speaker 2: Danielle Hunter was a three.

796
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:31,319
Speaker 3: He was a three, but he was really really young

797
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:34,600
Speaker 3: and very very raw, and he progressed.

798
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:36,800
Speaker 2: You know now he's in like his eighth season or whatever.

799
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:39,320
Speaker 2: Matthew Judon's another one of those. He was a fifth

800
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:43,520
Speaker 2: round draft pick that that hit. Cam Jordan first round draft,

801
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:46,480
Speaker 2: first round pick, Brian Burns first round draft pick.

802
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:49,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, and some of these are early first I mean, like,

803
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:53,040
Speaker 3: the difference between Watt and Garrett is noticeable in the

804
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:55,839
Speaker 3: same draft in terms of one's first overall ones.

805
00:35:55,880 --> 00:36:00,279
Speaker 2: A late first Jack. Barrett wasn't a first round draft pick, No, He.

806
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:02,319
Speaker 3: Came along slow though, because you remember he.

807
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:04,720
Speaker 2: Was a fifth round draft pick at his four seasons

808
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:07,120
Speaker 2: in Denver, and they had Von Miller and they had

809
00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:08,960
Speaker 2: Chubb and he couldn't get on the field. They know

810
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:11,520
Speaker 2: the de Marcus Whare, Yeah, they where and Miller, So

811
00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:14,480
Speaker 2: he was just kind of stuck. Josh Allen, first round

812
00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:17,840
Speaker 2: draft pick, Leonard Right, first round draft pick, Montes Sweat,

813
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:21,759
Speaker 2: first round draft pick. Yeah, Zadarius Smith was not.

814
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:22,520
Speaker 3: No.

815
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:25,759
Speaker 2: But I mean, and now we're talking about guys over

816
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:27,880
Speaker 2: five seasons who have forty sacks.

817
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:29,880
Speaker 3: He's more of a compiler. I mean, I mean some

818
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:33,080
Speaker 3: of these guys are I mean, aren't gonna ever lead the.

819
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:35,160
Speaker 2: League in sacks or be in the top five. But

820
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:38,120
Speaker 2: they've played all five years, right, And there's I'm sure

821
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:40,759
Speaker 2: there's two or there, like Micaeh Parsons. Michael Parsons is

822
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:42,239
Speaker 2: on the list here, but he's at forty and a

823
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:44,000
Speaker 2: half because he hasn't played three years.

824
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:45,200
Speaker 3: He's still on the list.

825
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:47,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's Boss on there, Harold. I mean, these guys

826
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:50,600
Speaker 2: were all like high draft picks that yeah, you know,

827
00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:55,920
Speaker 2: it's much easier to hit on those, yes, because of

828
00:36:55,960 --> 00:37:00,759
Speaker 2: physical trad and that draft that what that what and

829
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:05,680
Speaker 2: Garrett were in There were like eight guys taken between

830
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:08,680
Speaker 2: between them. Was between Garrett and Wat and those guys

831
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:11,319
Speaker 2: Taco Charlton and guys really bad.

832
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:14,920
Speaker 3: I'm like, already bad. Yeah, So I guess there's a

833
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:17,000
Speaker 3: lot of lessons to be learned there. I do think

834
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:23,520
Speaker 3: defensive linemen, much like corners, athletic gifts go along right

835
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:26,520
Speaker 3: right way, and we all know that once the combine

836
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:28,680
Speaker 3: hits and these guys test like freaks, they're going to

837
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:31,160
Speaker 3: get draft high. You know, I mean a corner with

838
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:33,319
Speaker 3: long arms at six one that runs a four to three.

839
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:35,359
Speaker 3: There's just not many on the planet or edge guys

840
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:37,960
Speaker 3: that look like biles Garrett don't come along very often.

841
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:42,640
Speaker 3: You know, Yes, you can develop your craft, and there

842
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:44,239
Speaker 3: are a lot of them too. I mean a lot

843
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:46,440
Speaker 3: of the actually, what I think about it, A lot

844
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:49,480
Speaker 3: of those and Jaybon Hardgrave is a great example. A

845
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:53,080
Speaker 3: lot of those not first round picks were small school

846
00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:58,480
Speaker 3: guys right right right, you know that. Yeah, they had

847
00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:02,080
Speaker 3: athletic traits too, but they're questions of level competition something

848
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:04,200
Speaker 3: like that, and really worked on it.

849
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:06,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you if you look at that, So Garrett

850
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:11,040
Speaker 2: went number one overall. Solomon Thomas went three. Oh wow,

851
00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:14,960
Speaker 2: that's bad. Yeah. Yeah. People talk about the forty nine

852
00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:17,120
Speaker 2: ers like they're a great drafting team. They're really not.

853
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:19,120
Speaker 3: They're really not. I mean a lot of their stars.

854
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:20,520
Speaker 2: To Solomon Thomas third overall.

855
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:26,439
Speaker 3: I mean, like Party is a mister irrelevant, Deebo's a two,

856
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:29,280
Speaker 3: Ayuxel one, but Kittles like a five.

857
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:30,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, they got lucky there.

858
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:34,000
Speaker 3: They traded for Trent Williams, they traded for McCaffrey. Anyone

859
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:36,640
Speaker 3: could have drafted Nick Bosa. Yeah, you know, but Solomon

860
00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:40,879
Speaker 3: Thomas terrible. Yikes, Trey Lance brutal right.

861
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:45,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, so after Thomas, the next guy was Reddick.

862
00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:48,000
Speaker 3: Okay, but it took them.

863
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:48,279
Speaker 2: All the time.

864
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:49,560
Speaker 3: He had to get out Arizona.

865
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:53,319
Speaker 2: Right. Then you had Derek Barnett, Like none of these

866
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:55,920
Speaker 2: guys had their fifth round the Eagles. Yeah, Derek Barnett

867
00:38:55,920 --> 00:39:00,240
Speaker 2: with the Eagles, Jonathan Allen with the Washington.

868
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:02,600
Speaker 3: I mean, he's he's worth it, but it came along

869
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:03,280
Speaker 3: a little slow.

870
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:06,319
Speaker 2: It makes a d tackle. Yeah, he's different than what

871
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:10,960
Speaker 2: Garrett Charles Harris. Yeah, there were a lot of first

872
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:15,120
Speaker 2: round D linemen this year too. Tack McKinley yuck, yeah, yuck,

873
00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:21,240
Speaker 2: Charlton yuck, grill yuck yeah. And then t J. Watt.

874
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:27,200
Speaker 3: Wow, wow, I mean, people don't realize how athletic Watt was.

875
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:29,279
Speaker 3: And I'm trying to think, what were the knocks on him?

876
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:30,480
Speaker 3: I know he didn't have a ton of.

877
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:35,000
Speaker 2: A lot. Yeah, he'd only been an outside linebacker for

878
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:36,799
Speaker 2: a couple of years, and there were still some people

879
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:39,919
Speaker 2: who thought, well, you know, if his name was you know, yeah,

880
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:42,440
Speaker 2: t J. Smith, Yeah, would you be talking about him

881
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:42,759
Speaker 2: like this?

882
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:43,480
Speaker 3: I get it.

883
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:48,680
Speaker 2: Imagine this. The Browns had three first round draft picks

884
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:49,280
Speaker 2: that year.

885
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:53,360
Speaker 3: So it was Garrett Ward. No, Ward was with Baker.

886
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:54,920
Speaker 3: They took a couple of years of it.

887
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:59,040
Speaker 2: They took Garrett, they took number one overall. Maybe it

888
00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:01,120
Speaker 2: was only two picks that year. Oh no, they took

889
00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:03,560
Speaker 2: your real peppers, Peppers. It took Peppers twenty five. They

890
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:04,919
Speaker 2: took in Djoku twenty nine.

891
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:05,720
Speaker 3: Wow.

892
00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:07,879
Speaker 2: They've had a lot of years, they've had multiple first

893
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:10,040
Speaker 2: Imagine if they had Garrett and Watt right now.

894
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:13,920
Speaker 3: For this whole don't care of the quarterback is.

895
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:16,120
Speaker 2: It doesn't matter, it doesn't matter, right, And he would have.

896
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:18,200
Speaker 3: Had to pay him forever, and even if you do,

897
00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:22,080
Speaker 3: you pay him no matter what. Yeah. Wow, So I

898
00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:26,399
Speaker 3: bet it hurt TJ. He's kind of skinny, you know, Like, yeah,

899
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:26,840
Speaker 3: I can't.

900
00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:28,359
Speaker 2: Remember when we first met him. They brought him. We

901
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:30,680
Speaker 2: were doing a show on draft day, Yeah, and we're

902
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:33,080
Speaker 2: down at the facility and they bring him over to

903
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:35,319
Speaker 2: sit down and talk with us. And I'm thinking he

904
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:38,400
Speaker 2: looks like he looked like a swimmer.

905
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:41,080
Speaker 3: That's a good way putting it, because he's got crazy arms.

906
00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:43,120
Speaker 3: His hands are like huge battles.

907
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:44,319
Speaker 2: Kind of wide at the shoulders, but he had to

908
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:45,880
Speaker 2: thin waist, really lean waiste.

909
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:48,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, and he doesn't nobody looks like Miles Garrett. But

910
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:50,799
Speaker 3: he's not muscles on top of muscles, right, and he's

911
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:53,200
Speaker 3: bulked up since. But I bet walking out on his

912
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:57,600
Speaker 3: underwear compared to Taco Charlton and Charles Harris didn't help him.

913
00:40:57,640 --> 00:41:01,080
Speaker 3: You know, he probably lost some ties there. Yeah, yeah, yeah, good.

914
00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:04,520
Speaker 2: You know we can talk about that when he goes

915
00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:05,120
Speaker 2: in the Hall of Fame.

916
00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:07,920
Speaker 3: Yeah. But back to the team building points kind of

917
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:10,680
Speaker 3: the theme of today. Usually, if you want to get

918
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:12,560
Speaker 3: elite edge guys, you got to pay up for him

919
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:14,280
Speaker 3: and draft or trade up for him in the draft.

920
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:17,440
Speaker 3: But the Steelers history has been remarkable in that regard.

921
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:20,560
Speaker 3: I mean, to get what an all time great, not

922
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:23,200
Speaker 3: in the top ten and thirty high Smith that we

923
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:25,520
Speaker 3: talked about, who's a star in the third round, let

924
00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:28,480
Speaker 3: alone all the Porters and Gilden's and Harrison's.

925
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:30,480
Speaker 2: And that's what's changed. Yeah, that's that's what's kind of

926
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:32,680
Speaker 2: changed over the years. I Mean, when the Steelers were

927
00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:34,839
Speaker 2: the only three four team or one two three four

928
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:37,600
Speaker 2: teams out there, they could take a Joey Porter in

929
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:39,880
Speaker 2: the third round, he'd probably be a first or a

930
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:42,719
Speaker 2: laite fo he'd he would be a first round draft pick.

931
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:45,520
Speaker 3: Now then no one cares about he's quote undersized or

932
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:46,200
Speaker 3: any of that stuff.

933
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:49,320
Speaker 2: Six three, two fifty, but he was super productive. He

934
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:51,880
Speaker 2: ran well, he was a former wide receiver, he had

935
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:52,560
Speaker 2: great hands.

936
00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:57,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, but it's been twenty twenty five years

937
00:41:57,320 --> 00:42:00,440
Speaker 3: of having some of the best edge defenders in the league. Yeah,

938
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:03,000
Speaker 3: and something to that that goes a long.

939
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:06,920
Speaker 2: Way, absolutely, absolutely, But yeah, that that it was actually

940
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:09,359
Speaker 2: you know, when you outside of some of those some

941
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:12,480
Speaker 2: of those picks, when you look at that draft for

942
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:13,480
Speaker 2: some missus, for.

943
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:14,960
Speaker 3: Sure, that's a Trubisky draft R.

944
00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:19,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was two, Solomon Thomas three, Leonard Fournette four,

945
00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:23,640
Speaker 2: Corey Davis five. Ye. That was the year the three

946
00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:25,759
Speaker 2: wide receivers went in the in the top ten.

947
00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:28,840
Speaker 3: And this is the great running back draft.

948
00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:35,120
Speaker 2: But on Fournette, Jamal Adams went six, Mike Williams at seven,

949
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:40,120
Speaker 2: Christian McCaffrey at the eight, John Ross at nine, Yeah,

950
00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:42,000
Speaker 2: Patrick Mahomes at ten.

951
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:43,759
Speaker 3: Which is always known for. Yeah.

952
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:48,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, Marshawn Lattimore at eleven. Okay, Deshaun Watson at twelve.

953
00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:52,480
Speaker 2: You know, I Sawan Reddick at thirteen. You know if

954
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:55,200
Speaker 2: Arizona had used him correctly, Oh yeah.

955
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:56,960
Speaker 3: That's a hit. Yeah. I mean he's a good player.

956
00:42:56,840 --> 00:43:01,680
Speaker 2: Right, Derek Barnett at fourteen, Malik Hooker at fifteen, Marlon

957
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:08,600
Speaker 2: Humphrey at sixteen, Jonathan Allen at seventeen, Adorri Jackson eighteen,

958
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:10,720
Speaker 2: OJ Howard nineteen.

959
00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:12,359
Speaker 3: That's a three tight end year.

960
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:16,920
Speaker 2: Yeah. Garrett Bowls at twenty, Jared Davis to Detroit at

961
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:20,919
Speaker 2: twenty one, Charles Harris at twenty two to Miami, Evan

962
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:22,040
Speaker 2: Ingram at twenty three.

963
00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:24,080
Speaker 3: Finally turned the corner.

964
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:28,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, Gary and Conley at twenty four, the Raiders.

965
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:30,320
Speaker 3: Been so bad at drafting, so bad.

966
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:34,480
Speaker 2: Pepper's at twenty five, Tack McKinley at twenty six for

967
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:35,960
Speaker 2: Davius White at twenty seven.

968
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:38,000
Speaker 3: It's a good pick, but it's not. I mean, injuries

969
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:38,680
Speaker 3: of derailed them.

970
00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:41,879
Speaker 2: Taco Charlton at twenty eight and Djoku at twenty nine,

971
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:45,480
Speaker 2: Watt at thirty, Ruben Foster at thirty one.

972
00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:47,120
Speaker 3: Ooh, massive character stuff.

973
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:49,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then last pick of the first round was

974
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:50,120
Speaker 2: Ryan Ramchick.

975
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:51,439
Speaker 3: Oh that's a home run.

976
00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:54,359
Speaker 2: Yeah. So there's some really good players in there.

977
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:57,120
Speaker 3: So I was going to say, is tons of running backs,

978
00:43:57,320 --> 00:44:02,080
Speaker 3: three tight ends, all those bus between Watt and Garrett.

979
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:05,680
Speaker 3: But I think there's four Hall of famers in the

980
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:09,680
Speaker 3: first round. Yeah, I mean Watt's going, Garrett's probably going,

981
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:13,279
Speaker 3: mahomes in, mcaffe, McCaffrey, I think Probaly in too.

982
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:13,640
Speaker 2: Yeah.

983
00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:16,200
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't think Watson ships has sailed, But

984
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:20,520
Speaker 3: I mean there's it's gonna be kind of a historic draft.

985
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:22,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, you get four, you get four Hall of Fame

986
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:25,000
Speaker 2: players in the first round of a draft.

987
00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:27,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's pretty good, really really strong. Yeah.

988
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:29,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's not even looking into the like, you know,

989
00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:30,680
Speaker 2: some of the guys in the second and third.

990
00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:33,120
Speaker 3: You know, the running backs and the whole class are insane.

991
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 3: Oh it's really good, James Connor and Kamara and I

992
00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:36,680
Speaker 3: mean there's tons of them.

993
00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:40,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, so interesting. But yeah, I think to get those,

994
00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:45,320
Speaker 2: to get those Andrew twenty seventeen.

995
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:47,799
Speaker 3: Okay, I think there's so much to be learned just

996
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:50,479
Speaker 3: by going We should do this more. Just talk about

997
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:53,040
Speaker 3: a first round of a draft, because there's no way

998
00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:54,840
Speaker 3: if Leonard Fournette came out today, he'd be in the

999
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:55,439
Speaker 3: top five picks.

1000
00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:58,359
Speaker 2: No, no way, no. And there was another maybe Mica

1001
00:44:58,719 --> 00:44:59,400
Speaker 2: would go higher.

1002
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:01,920
Speaker 3: He might be bje On, right, yeah, yeah, he might

1003
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:04,160
Speaker 3: be On, but there was another name or too early

1004
00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:06,360
Speaker 3: where there's no way they got picked that high. And

1005
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:07,200
Speaker 3: it wasn't that long ago.

1006
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:10,799
Speaker 2: No, the style of the game change. Yeah, Like, are

1007
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:12,359
Speaker 2: you taking all those tight ends? I think three tight

1008
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:15,680
Speaker 2: ends in the first round. I mean, none of those

1009
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:18,279
Speaker 2: guys to they weren't brought bowers. Yeah, those guys aren't

1010
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:20,160
Speaker 2: some of the guys that have come out in recent years.

1011
00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:23,160
Speaker 3: No, they're good. I mean as prospects. I'm not talking

1012
00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:24,759
Speaker 3: about what they did in the pros. They were all

1013
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:28,040
Speaker 3: good testers and moved well, but they weren't great players.

1014
00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:30,640
Speaker 2: And the other thing that you noticed there, Matt, is

1015
00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:33,200
Speaker 2: only two offensive tackles in that first round. I don't

1016
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:36,080
Speaker 2: think there's any interior line too. None in the interior, right.

1017
00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:39,239
Speaker 3: Wow, that's weird. That's what's so weird about this year

1018
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:41,680
Speaker 3: because there's so many, so many, that's more of the

1019
00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:43,919
Speaker 3: norm than usual. Who was the first tackle taken?

1020
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:47,400
Speaker 2: Garret Bulls at twenty? Okay, say there was none in

1021
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:49,560
Speaker 2: the top ten. There's alway somebody in top ten, whether

1022
00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:50,279
Speaker 2: they should be or not.

1023
00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:51,560
Speaker 3: Wow. Strange.

1024
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:55,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's get to another break. He is the Matt Williamson.

1025
00:45:55,640 --> 00:45:57,839
Speaker 2: I am Dale, Lolly. You're listening to the drive here

1026
00:45:57,880 --> 00:46:00,319
Speaker 2: on Steelers Nation Radio. That's going to do it for

1027
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:03,040
Speaker 2: our number one. We'll be back with our number two

1028
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Speaker 2: right after this.