WEBVTT - Practical Magic 0:00:00.800 --> 0:00:03.760 On the Bell Cast, the questions asked if movies have 0:00:03.920 --> 0:00:07.800 women in them, are all their discussions just boyfriends and husbands? 0:00:07.840 --> 0:00:12.960 What do they have? Individualism, the patriarchy, zef invest start 0:00:13.039 --> 0:00:16.840 changing it with the beck Del Cast. Hello, and welcome 0:00:16.880 --> 0:00:19.200 to the Bechdel Cast. My name is Caitlin Durante and 0:00:19.239 --> 0:00:22.360 my name is Jamie Loftus, and this is our podcast 0:00:22.400 --> 0:00:26.840 about the portrayal of women in movies, or as I 0:00:26.880 --> 0:00:31.040 like to see the betrayal of women in movies sometimes, 0:00:31.080 --> 0:00:34.360 don't you think? I agree. We have kind of an 0:00:34.479 --> 0:00:38.480 unusual recording situation today, which is kind of nice. Yeah, 0:00:38.560 --> 0:00:42.040 let's talk about it. And we're in your bed. We're 0:00:42.080 --> 0:00:44.960 in my bed, which is where we usually record the 0:00:45.040 --> 0:00:49.800 Matreon episodes if you're a member of our Patreon aka Matreon. 0:00:50.080 --> 0:00:53.000 Yeah you know, but today we're doing a main feed 0:00:53.000 --> 0:00:55.520 episode in the bed, which is weird because I'm used 0:00:55.560 --> 0:00:58.600 to be in loose in the bed, but now I'm like, 0:00:58.680 --> 0:01:01.200 no button up, not all button's about a couple of them. 0:01:01.280 --> 0:01:04.000 I think this will be a nice sort of blend 0:01:04.280 --> 0:01:07.119 of the silliness that we engage in a bit more 0:01:07.200 --> 0:01:10.640 on the Matreon, but also perhaps a bit more structured 0:01:11.040 --> 0:01:14.920 like a main feed episode. Life is so complicated. So 0:01:15.040 --> 0:01:17.479 normally we have a guest. We don't have one this 0:01:17.520 --> 0:01:20.399 time because we were about to record with our guests 0:01:20.440 --> 0:01:22.960 and then something came up, but we weren't able to 0:01:23.000 --> 0:01:26.680 reschedule with them because I'm about to go into surgery. Yes, 0:01:26.800 --> 0:01:33.600 I'm about to have my sludge pouch removed. It's probably 0:01:34.080 --> 0:01:36.480 it'll be gone. It's my gall bladder, but it's really 0:01:36.480 --> 0:01:39.240 a sludge pouch. And if you need more information about 0:01:39.280 --> 0:01:41.399 what I'm talking about, you'll just simply have to listen 0:01:41.440 --> 0:01:44.959 to Sludge an American health care story, my podcast about 0:01:45.240 --> 0:01:48.960 how the system here is very funked up and biased 0:01:49.040 --> 0:01:52.280 and broken. So give that listen. But so, we weren't 0:01:52.280 --> 0:01:55.800 able to reschedule with our guest before my surgery, so 0:01:55.840 --> 0:02:00.160 it's just Jamie and I doing this. Bed keeping is 0:02:00.200 --> 0:02:03.160 but not too loose. Yeah, And this is the last 0:02:03.840 --> 0:02:06.320 sludgey episode of the Bechtel Cast, which I think we're 0:02:06.360 --> 0:02:09.320 all very grateful for it. It's sludge free after this. 0:02:09.560 --> 0:02:13.480 My mom sending you an edible arrangement. We're telling me 0:02:13.560 --> 0:02:15.360 this earlier. I was like, well, I don't know, like 0:02:16.040 --> 0:02:18.720 and she asked for your address. So maybe, but maybe 0:02:18.720 --> 0:02:20.960 she's going to get him. She's just gonna show up. 0:02:21.000 --> 0:02:23.880 She's gonna use her jet blue points. Oh good for Jill. 0:02:24.040 --> 0:02:27.919 She loves her jet blue points. And I think all 0:02:27.960 --> 0:02:30.840 of that past the Bechtel tests. Oh yes it did. Wow, 0:02:31.000 --> 0:02:35.520 great structure. Um so we analyze. Actually, I think my 0:02:36.160 --> 0:02:40.560 sludge identifies as a man because it's vengeful trying to 0:02:40.639 --> 0:02:44.200 ruin your life and invading my body and space and 0:02:44.400 --> 0:02:47.840 only a man. And it is nice too because it 0:02:47.880 --> 0:02:53.520 just means that will inherently miss it less that's gone anyway. 0:02:54.400 --> 0:02:56.400 Oh man, I want to make a cartoon of like 0:02:56.480 --> 0:03:03.200 you're slow singing like, don't make me go do like 0:03:03.280 --> 0:03:09.840 wait there, don't humanize my sludge the anthropomorphs like wait 0:03:09.880 --> 0:03:13.880 before you behead me, doctor, I just want to plead 0:03:14.040 --> 0:03:19.359 my case. Oh well, well, what if my sludge is 0:03:19.480 --> 0:03:24.320 like a witch sort like and it's like being wrongfully 0:03:24.400 --> 0:03:33.640 persecuted and really it's just it's suckers. Oh, today's gonna 0:03:33.680 --> 0:03:39.080 be fun. Uh So we hadized movies using the Bechtel test, 0:03:39.120 --> 0:03:41.440 which I think we will. We brought up the mail 0:03:41.480 --> 0:03:44.440 identifying sledge. A lot of it passed. Yes, uh so 0:03:44.640 --> 0:03:47.120 used the Bechtel Test sometimes called the Bechtel Wallace test, 0:03:47.560 --> 0:03:51.320 as a jumping off point for discussion, and the Bechtel 0:03:51.400 --> 0:03:56.280 test has has a couple of different requirements. Yeah, it 0:03:56.280 --> 0:04:00.800 requires that there'll be two female identifying characters with names. 0:04:01.120 --> 0:04:03.080 We'll talk to each other about something other than a 0:04:03.080 --> 0:04:06.440 man or a male sledge, of course, for more than 0:04:06.480 --> 0:04:09.800 two lines of dialogue. Incredible. It's almost like with all 0:04:09.800 --> 0:04:12.240 those steps, it's almost like it's like a spell in 0:04:12.280 --> 0:04:17.679 a spell book it's true, or a curse stories curse. 0:04:19.440 --> 0:04:21.440 I wonder how many times it's been said in movies. 0:04:21.480 --> 0:04:22.839 It has to be a lout there like it's a 0:04:22.880 --> 0:04:27.599 spell or of course, I feel like there's like a 0:04:27.600 --> 0:04:31.200 lot of Halloween time d cooms that probably used that. 0:04:32.120 --> 0:04:35.400 While we're talking about Practical Magic today, it's been a 0:04:35.400 --> 0:04:39.080 long request. Yeah, it's just the two of us today. 0:04:39.160 --> 0:04:42.360 We're keeping it loose, so let's get into it. What's 0:04:42.400 --> 0:04:45.160 your history with the film, Jamie So I first saw 0:04:45.240 --> 0:04:48.920 Practical Magic in Lansing, Michigan last year as a part 0:04:49.000 --> 0:04:53.719 of the Capital City Film Festival. Is a show called 0:04:53.760 --> 0:04:57.560 Destroy All Cinema, and I was riffing live riffs. You'll 0:04:57.560 --> 0:04:59.960 love to hear him on Practical Magic. What I try 0:05:00.040 --> 0:05:04.040 hadn't seen with a comedy collective based out of Lansing 0:05:04.160 --> 0:05:06.440 called Comedy Coven, So if you live in that area, 0:05:06.839 --> 0:05:11.600 please check them out. So Coven of Witches perhaps exactly. 0:05:11.720 --> 0:05:16.240 It consists of Tricia Chamberlain, Stephanie ander Chan, and Emily Surgett. 0:05:16.279 --> 0:05:18.560 They're all great. But so I first saw it in 0:05:19.120 --> 0:05:21.520 a live capacity, and it was kind of fun to 0:05:21.880 --> 0:05:25.280 try to piece together this movie in real time and 0:05:25.320 --> 0:05:27.000 try to be funny because I was just like, I 0:05:27.080 --> 0:05:31.479 don't know what's happening. Um, And then I've seen a 0:05:31.520 --> 0:05:34.599 couple of times to prep for this, but pretty short history. Okay, 0:05:34.960 --> 0:05:37.080 what's your history with Practical Magic. This is one of 0:05:37.080 --> 0:05:41.560 those movies that I wasn't very familiar with throughout most 0:05:41.600 --> 0:05:43.320 of my life, but I knew that it was something 0:05:43.360 --> 0:05:46.200 that we were getting requested all the time from listeners. 0:05:46.480 --> 0:05:48.080 So I was like, oh, I should check this out 0:05:48.120 --> 0:05:50.640 because eventually I'm sure we'll do an episode on it. 0:05:50.800 --> 0:05:53.560 So I watched it probably for the first time, I 0:05:53.560 --> 0:05:56.920 would say, like around a year ago. Also, and glad, 0:05:56.960 --> 0:06:00.480 I did you know? It's a fun movie. It is 0:06:00.520 --> 0:06:07.240 a weird movie. Weird it's structurally a bit confusing, but 0:06:07.400 --> 0:06:09.760 I also do get why people love it, So yeah, 0:06:09.880 --> 0:06:12.560 for sure. I think if I had um seen it 0:06:12.640 --> 0:06:14.159 as a younger person, I would have like a much 0:06:14.160 --> 0:06:17.840 stronger attachment to it and a pretty iconic cast as well. 0:06:18.040 --> 0:06:22.400 Like it's quality regardless, getting to see Sandra bl Like 0:06:22.440 --> 0:06:26.600 and Nicole Kidman as sisters, rules, Diane Weest is their 0:06:26.720 --> 0:06:30.040 Stockard Channing is there, and a young Evan Rachel would 0:06:30.360 --> 0:06:33.560 oh yeah, yeah, one of the daughters, So there is 0:06:33.600 --> 0:06:37.440 I mean there. I get it's a very confusing movie, 0:06:37.760 --> 0:06:41.200 but everyone is committed a hundred percent, and so we 0:06:41.400 --> 0:06:45.119 simply have no choice but to stand. Um, yeah, should 0:06:45.120 --> 0:06:48.320 we get into it? I mean, I don't know what 0:06:48.360 --> 0:06:50.920 was your actually I am curious what was your interest 0:06:51.160 --> 0:06:54.560 in witchy culture and stuff like that when you were younger? 0:06:54.600 --> 0:06:57.240 Were you really interested in it? No? Not, not, I 0:06:57.279 --> 0:07:00.960 would say at all. Um, I wasn't like I hate 0:07:00.960 --> 0:07:03.240 it and I think it's stupid or anything like that. 0:07:03.360 --> 0:07:07.400 It just isn't something that ever piqued my interest. Well, 0:07:07.400 --> 0:07:09.600 what about you? I thought I was a witch until 0:07:09.640 --> 0:07:13.080 I was about eleven years old, and not a Harry Potter, 0:07:13.120 --> 0:07:15.720 which as all listeners at the podcast, will know I 0:07:15.800 --> 0:07:18.920 was not a Harry Potter stand. As a child, I 0:07:18.960 --> 0:07:22.480 thought I was like a practical magic kind of which 0:07:22.520 --> 0:07:26.760 because I had I have two relatives who run a 0:07:26.800 --> 0:07:29.960 new Age shop in Massachusetts, I was very steeped in 0:07:30.000 --> 0:07:32.000 it's from a very young age, kind of like the 0:07:32.000 --> 0:07:35.880 one that Sally runs in the movie. Yeah, yeah, except 0:07:35.960 --> 0:07:39.760 like I mean even more so, but it was they 0:07:40.360 --> 0:07:42.760 do not work there anymore, but yeah, like my my 0:07:42.840 --> 0:07:44.800 aunt and uncle worked at a new Age shop and 0:07:44.840 --> 0:07:47.320 would do readings and would do and you know, we're 0:07:47.440 --> 0:07:50.240 very nurture. I think it's weird because I grew up 0:07:50.280 --> 0:07:53.400 going to church, but I think that like new Age 0:07:53.520 --> 0:07:56.400 stuff was what appealed to me more in terms of 0:07:56.400 --> 0:07:59.840 like religion and like shaping my self identity. But I 0:08:00.000 --> 0:08:03.160 really love it. And it's funny because I think that 0:08:03.240 --> 0:08:07.800 this movie is kind of peak, like scratching the surface 0:08:07.920 --> 0:08:10.960 of that culture in kind of a very basic way 0:08:11.000 --> 0:08:13.160 that I think probably would have been appealing to me 0:08:13.240 --> 0:08:16.120 had I seen it at the time. But yeah, I'm 0:08:16.160 --> 0:08:18.760 always just any time that there's a movie with which 0:08:18.800 --> 0:08:21.520 is I'm like, oh yes, because my mom fully was like, 0:08:21.680 --> 0:08:24.400 you're a witch, you have powers? It was like, yes, 0:08:25.760 --> 0:08:28.160 that's so cool. Yeah, it was cool. The growing I'm 0:08:28.200 --> 0:08:30.240 thinking you're a witch. I can't recommend it enough. It 0:08:30.320 --> 0:08:33.720 is very fun. My like family because I was effectively 0:08:33.800 --> 0:08:37.400 raised as an atheist, Like it was a completely secular household, 0:08:38.040 --> 0:08:40.200 so I had no religion growing up, and I think 0:08:40.240 --> 0:08:45.120 because of that, I just nothing like supernatural or like 0:08:45.320 --> 0:08:48.520 mystic or magical or anything like that really appealed to me. 0:08:48.640 --> 0:08:51.880 Is something that I would want to, like embrace is 0:08:51.920 --> 0:08:54.720 anything other than fiction, Like I love reading fiction about it. 0:08:54.760 --> 0:08:56.800 But I wasn't like I was like this is going 0:08:56.880 --> 0:08:59.160 to be a part of my lifestyle or anything like that. 0:08:59.280 --> 0:09:02.720 Totally I would appealed about it to me as a kid, especially, 0:09:03.040 --> 0:09:05.640 was like I didn't like going to tread like it 0:09:05.679 --> 0:09:07.560 was weird. I think that like we just went because 0:09:07.679 --> 0:09:10.120 my parents were like, we're supposed to do that. But 0:09:10.480 --> 0:09:12.440 like I went to Catholic churches for a little while, 0:09:12.440 --> 0:09:15.120 I went to like a Congregational church for a little while. 0:09:15.520 --> 0:09:18.520 I mean my parents and my oun uncle called it paganism. 0:09:18.559 --> 0:09:20.840 I don't know if this technically even falls under that umbrella, 0:09:20.960 --> 0:09:23.079 but what appealed to me and what appealed to me 0:09:23.120 --> 0:09:25.800 about witchy culture was that it was the only like 0:09:26.200 --> 0:09:29.520 semi religious structure that empowered you a little bit and 0:09:29.559 --> 0:09:33.960 gave you some control as opposed to the shame and 0:09:34.000 --> 0:09:37.120 the constant asking for forgiveness that from the other religions 0:09:37.160 --> 0:09:39.880 that I had experienced, where like this was like, Oh, 0:09:40.040 --> 0:09:43.360 it's like, uh, you know, you're being empowered to you know, 0:09:43.360 --> 0:09:46.040 whether you're casting spells or doing rituals or whatever. It 0:09:46.120 --> 0:09:49.680 is like you have some ability to cause change and 0:09:49.720 --> 0:09:54.880 make things happen. Interesting. So there's a whole discussion to 0:09:54.920 --> 0:09:58.920 be had kind of about which is witchcraft the history 0:09:58.960 --> 0:10:01.960 there in all that, Yeah, we can, We'll get there, 0:10:02.000 --> 0:10:07.960 but for now, let's discuss the story it recap Okay, 0:10:08.000 --> 0:10:13.280 So we begin learning that women in the Owens family 0:10:13.520 --> 0:10:18.240 are witches and they have magical powers. The first of 0:10:18.280 --> 0:10:25.000 them was their ancestor Maria from colonial Puritan times, Yes, 0:10:25.520 --> 0:10:29.840 and she was banished on an island with her unborn 0:10:29.920 --> 0:10:33.840 child for being a witch. And she stayed there waiting 0:10:33.880 --> 0:10:36.400 for her lover to come rescue her, but he never came, 0:10:36.880 --> 0:10:39.439 so she cast a spell that she would never again 0:10:39.480 --> 0:10:43.959 feel the agony of love, which eventually turned into a 0:10:44.040 --> 0:10:48.840 curse on any man who would love an Owens woman, 0:10:49.240 --> 0:10:54.520 and that curse will kill them, and it will straight 0:10:54.600 --> 0:10:58.600 up kill them. Then we meet to Owen's sisters as children, 0:10:59.200 --> 0:11:03.120 Sally and Alien. Their father died because of this curse. 0:11:03.480 --> 0:11:06.040 There's like this beetle that comes around and makes this 0:11:06.120 --> 0:11:08.959 like chirping sound, and that's how you know the man 0:11:09.120 --> 0:11:12.079 is going to die soon, right. I love that plot device. 0:11:12.760 --> 0:11:15.760 I don't know, it's like a beetle or something. And 0:11:15.800 --> 0:11:18.680 then their mom dies I guess shortly after that of 0:11:18.720 --> 0:11:21.320 a broken heart. So the two sisters go to live 0:11:21.440 --> 0:11:25.760 with their two aunts, Franny that's Stockard Channing's character, and 0:11:25.920 --> 0:11:30.600 Jet Diane Weest and their aunts are also witches who 0:11:30.640 --> 0:11:34.320 teach them magic. They live somewhere in New England. I 0:11:34.360 --> 0:11:37.439 was guessing either they I think they live on an island. 0:11:37.520 --> 0:11:40.000 I think that they might live like on Nantucket. Yeah, 0:11:40.040 --> 0:11:42.679 that's what I was thinking. It gives it has given 0:11:42.720 --> 0:11:45.480 me some Nantucket vibes. Yeah, I would say Nantucket or 0:11:45.520 --> 0:11:49.160 Martha's vineyards. Yeah, surprise it didn't take place in like Salem, 0:11:49.440 --> 0:11:53.480 but who knows you, I don't know. And everyone in 0:11:53.520 --> 0:11:57.440 the town hates the whole family for being witches, which 0:11:57.520 --> 0:12:01.079 which you're a bit. You're like, let's punch that up, 0:12:01.080 --> 0:12:03.760 all right? There? Does it pass the back to test? 0:12:03.800 --> 0:12:07.240 Though maybe it does, But I was just like, man, 0:12:07.280 --> 0:12:09.520 there are three writers on this movie, and we couldn't 0:12:09.880 --> 0:12:12.360 we can't do better than which, which you're a bit. 0:12:12.640 --> 0:12:15.280 The kids are like not smart enough to come up 0:12:15.280 --> 0:12:20.079 with something more clever. Kids are geniuses. Sorry, there should 0:12:20.080 --> 0:12:27.440 have been in Shakespearean pros there i ambic pentameter. Yes, okay, 0:12:27.559 --> 0:12:30.360 So we get to know the two girls a little 0:12:30.360 --> 0:12:33.960 bit better. Jilly can't wait to fall in love, but 0:12:34.320 --> 0:12:37.400 Sally says she hopes she never falls in love because 0:12:37.440 --> 0:12:40.880 she sees how much agony it causes people. So Sally 0:12:41.000 --> 0:12:45.360 casts a spell, a love spell about a man who 0:12:45.440 --> 0:12:48.319 she thinks will never exist, because if he doesn't exist, 0:12:49.240 --> 0:12:50.760 she won't have to fall in love with him, and 0:12:50.760 --> 0:12:53.760 then he won't die, um, and she won't have to 0:12:53.800 --> 0:12:57.880 deal with a broken heart. Right. This imaginary man can 0:12:58.160 --> 0:13:02.240 flip pancakes. His favorite shape is a star, and he 0:13:02.280 --> 0:13:05.520 has one green eye and one blue eye, which is like, 0:13:06.559 --> 0:13:08.480 I mean, I feel like there are people out there 0:13:08.520 --> 0:13:11.320 like that, Like I think it's kind of a low yeah, 0:13:11.600 --> 0:13:13.400 Like I mean, I guess that finding some with two 0:13:13.440 --> 0:13:16.160 different colored eyes is a little more difficult. But I'm like, 0:13:16.400 --> 0:13:20.440 pant likes pancakes and stars. That's like you're describing a 0:13:20.480 --> 0:13:25.160 five year old like, but sure, yes. So then we 0:13:25.200 --> 0:13:28.680 cut to the sisters as adults. Sally is Sandra Bullock, 0:13:29.400 --> 0:13:34.280 Jilly is Nicole Kidman, and Jilly runs away with this 0:13:34.320 --> 0:13:37.120 guy that she's in love with Nicole Kidmen. In terms 0:13:37.120 --> 0:13:41.560 of having her Australian accent not out, it's so different 0:13:41.600 --> 0:13:43.920 from movie to movie to the point where I'm like, 0:13:44.320 --> 0:13:46.520 is it like it depends on how she's being directed, 0:13:46.600 --> 0:13:50.200 But it's like it's like sort of at Bay. Really 0:13:50.240 --> 0:13:53.920 I wasn't noticing that. But also there's certain I don't know. 0:13:54.000 --> 0:13:57.439 I guess my Nicole Kidman meter is very sensitive because 0:13:57.480 --> 0:14:01.559 sometimes I'm just like, how did you come on? There's 0:14:01.559 --> 0:14:03.199 a few but whatever, I mean, you do watch a 0:14:03.280 --> 0:14:06.000 lot of big little eyes, so that makes sense. Yeah, 0:14:06.120 --> 0:14:08.960 And and she, you know, at the end of the 0:14:09.000 --> 0:14:11.960 first season, for some reason, she's just like, I'm Australian, 0:14:12.120 --> 0:14:14.200 and I was like, okay, we know, but you're not 0:14:14.240 --> 0:14:17.520 supposed to be right now where we'll have a talk 0:14:17.559 --> 0:14:21.640 about it. So Julie runs away with this guy, but 0:14:21.760 --> 0:14:24.280 meanwhile Sally wants to have like kind of a more 0:14:24.480 --> 0:14:30.000 like grounded quote normal life, like the nuclear family. Yes, 0:14:30.280 --> 0:14:34.440 and then Sally spots this guy, Michael, and she and 0:14:34.520 --> 0:14:38.520 him suddenly fall in love, almost as if a spell 0:14:38.640 --> 0:14:44.960 were cast on as it we don't know. And then 0:14:45.000 --> 0:14:48.360 they start kissing in the street. A Faith Hill song 0:14:48.520 --> 0:14:54.840 is playing. Is it? It's this kiss? Yes, this kiss 0:14:55.120 --> 0:14:59.360 one of the many moments this movie is totally all over. 0:14:59.480 --> 0:15:03.920 It's just completely totally inconsistent to the where you're just 0:15:04.000 --> 0:15:08.840 like constantly suffering from whiplash from the previous scene. Faith Hill, 0:15:08.880 --> 0:15:11.520 I think, is one of the first, all best, second 0:15:11.520 --> 0:15:14.280 of all, most jarring from all the South, Like this 0:15:14.360 --> 0:15:16.960 is supposed to be like kind of like a you know, 0:15:17.000 --> 0:15:20.000 like you kind of expected more Fiona Appoly song there, 0:15:20.080 --> 0:15:23.880 like at least like an artist with some more mysterious 0:15:23.920 --> 0:15:27.400 witchy vibes. Oh sure, I wouldn't describe faith Hill as 0:15:27.480 --> 0:15:31.600 that artist. Well, especially because like if you hear country 0:15:31.680 --> 0:15:37.000 music like that, it conjures up the South, you know, 0:15:37.040 --> 0:15:42.800 the American South and not New England. So yeah, it 0:15:42.960 --> 0:15:46.960 was it was choices were made. I don't I don't 0:15:47.000 --> 0:15:50.080 think it's a bad choice, that it a weird choice, 0:15:50.120 --> 0:15:51.960 but I do like it. As with most things in 0:15:52.000 --> 0:15:56.560 this movie, you're like sure. So cut to a few 0:15:56.640 --> 0:16:00.560 years later, Sally and Michael are married. They have two daughters, hers, 0:16:00.600 --> 0:16:05.760 but that death beetle starts coming around and starts chirping 0:16:05.800 --> 0:16:14.240 a little bit outside. Sorry, I don't effects. What if 0:16:14.480 --> 0:16:18.520 beetle juice can turn into a beetle and then it's 0:16:18.560 --> 0:16:22.200 the same. What if beetle juice in practical magic take 0:16:22.240 --> 0:16:24.720 place in the same extended universe? I would buy it. 0:16:25.480 --> 0:16:27.480 I would. I wish that the faith Hill song played 0:16:27.520 --> 0:16:32.040 during beetle Juice? This what another faith Hill song? I 0:16:32.080 --> 0:16:35.400 can't name a second one. I don't know nothing against her. 0:16:35.440 --> 0:16:39.080 I just wasn't really there, sure you know, I just 0:16:39.160 --> 0:16:43.600 know that one. Okay, So the beetles chirping, and Sally's 0:16:43.680 --> 0:16:47.160 husband gets hit by a truck and dies in a 0:16:47.400 --> 0:16:51.800 very dramatic the fruit flying in that scene because he's 0:16:51.840 --> 0:16:58.360 a fruit salesman and slow mo fruit. And then we're like, 0:16:58.400 --> 0:17:02.040 oh no, her love kill to him because women's emotions 0:17:02.200 --> 0:17:09.280 are lethal. Ah God, Well, anyways, fruitgo's lion? Yes, bye 0:17:09.280 --> 0:17:13.200 bye yep. So then Sally goes to her aunt's and 0:17:13.600 --> 0:17:16.679 she's like, this curse is real and it's why my 0:17:16.760 --> 0:17:20.160 husband died. And then they revealed that they had cast 0:17:20.200 --> 0:17:22.080 a spell on the two of them to make them 0:17:22.119 --> 0:17:25.560 fall in love, and she's like even more furious, and 0:17:25.640 --> 0:17:29.080 she tells them to bring him back from the dead, 0:17:29.160 --> 0:17:32.760 because their witches, they have the ability to do that, 0:17:32.960 --> 0:17:36.440 but they refuse because if they do that, he'll come 0:17:36.440 --> 0:17:40.040 back all dark and unnatural. So Sally just has to 0:17:40.119 --> 0:17:44.000 accept what has happened, and she is grieving, and then 0:17:44.040 --> 0:17:49.240 she decides to stop doing magic. Meanwhile, Jilly has been 0:17:49.600 --> 0:17:54.200 traveling around. She's partying, she's meeting a bunch of people. 0:17:54.359 --> 0:17:58.560 She's got a wig on and a classic kidman wig. 0:17:59.760 --> 0:18:01.760 I've had a shout out I have. Well, I'll do 0:18:01.800 --> 0:18:03.960 it in a second. But there was recently a power 0:18:04.040 --> 0:18:07.119 ranking of all of Nicole Kimman's wigs. She was not 0:18:07.200 --> 0:18:09.960 wearing a wig in a movie. May not know what 0:18:10.080 --> 0:18:12.480 her hair is. I thought that was I just thought 0:18:12.600 --> 0:18:16.040 that was her natural hair in this movie. I they're 0:18:16.080 --> 0:18:18.720 on the wig ranking. I mean, and I'm just using this, Okay, 0:18:18.720 --> 0:18:23.080 I've visited this a few days ago. Uh, this is 0:18:23.280 --> 0:18:28.720 from ques dot com by Singia sing kurts Um, and 0:18:28.760 --> 0:18:30.800 it's a ranking of all of her wigs. Based on 0:18:30.840 --> 0:18:34.200 this list, it does seem like she is usually wearing 0:18:34.200 --> 0:18:36.320 a wig, even when it seems like she's not, including 0:18:36.359 --> 0:18:39.000 in Um, like I thought that was her natural hair 0:18:39.040 --> 0:18:41.760 in Mulin Rouge. Apparently it is not. It is a wig. 0:18:42.520 --> 0:18:44.560 So I just go off the assumption that Nicole Kimman 0:18:44.680 --> 0:18:48.120 is always wearing a wig. What if she is bald underneath, 0:18:48.160 --> 0:18:50.399 making her the baldest woman in charge? That would explain 0:18:50.440 --> 0:18:53.920 so much, really, sure Wood, we can't. But anyways, she's 0:18:53.920 --> 0:18:56.840 got she's got intense nineties banks and I love it 0:18:56.880 --> 0:19:00.280 in this movie definitely, And I think right now she's 0:19:00.280 --> 0:19:06.400 in Arizona with this guy, Jimmy Angel Love Sure, who 0:19:06.440 --> 0:19:09.880 turns out to be abusive. So Sally goes to rescue 0:19:09.960 --> 0:19:13.000 Jilly from him, but he kidnaps them both and holds 0:19:13.040 --> 0:19:17.480 them hostage. So they drug him but accidentally overdose and 0:19:17.560 --> 0:19:20.040 kill him, and they're like, oh my god, what are 0:19:20.080 --> 0:19:22.879 we gonna do. We're going to go to jail. The 0:19:22.960 --> 0:19:26.959 cops won't believe it's self defense, so Jilly has the 0:19:27.000 --> 0:19:30.720 idea that they cast the spell on him to bring 0:19:30.800 --> 0:19:34.280 him back to life, and since he's already dark and unnatural, 0:19:34.880 --> 0:19:38.800 they figure it won't matter, right, so they go back 0:19:38.840 --> 0:19:41.160 to the aunt's house. They do the spell, they put 0:19:41.200 --> 0:19:48.040 the line in the coconut, etcetera. Sure that happens, right then? Yeah? Um? 0:19:48.080 --> 0:19:51.679 And then he comes back, but he is aggressive and 0:19:51.680 --> 0:19:54.919 he starts choking Jilly, so they knock him out and 0:19:54.960 --> 0:19:57.920 then they bury him in the backyard. But they decide 0:19:58.000 --> 0:20:02.000 not to tell the aunts, right, but Jimmy's spirit starts 0:20:02.040 --> 0:20:08.240 haunting them and he ruins their midnight margarite a night. Rude, Rude. 0:20:08.720 --> 0:20:11.760 They got one of the most the most iconic scene 0:20:11.760 --> 0:20:15.400 of this movie and the most totally dissonant, I think, 0:20:15.480 --> 0:20:20.320 because there are children upstairs and they are screaming, screaming, 0:20:20.880 --> 0:20:23.760 and then they're immediately sober. And in one moment they're 0:20:23.800 --> 0:20:26.679 like laughing and dancing and having a good time, and 0:20:26.720 --> 0:20:28.840 then the next moment they're like calling each other like 0:20:28.920 --> 0:20:33.639 sluts and witches. And then the next scene requires for 0:20:33.680 --> 0:20:35.639 them to be stone cold sober, even though we just 0:20:35.680 --> 0:20:39.600 saw them being fully blackout drunk. You know, it's just 0:20:39.720 --> 0:20:41.639 it is what it is. We just have to we 0:20:41.720 --> 0:20:43.880 just have to buy it their witches they can they 0:20:44.000 --> 0:20:50.200 have to spell the sober or is it a curse? Oh? 0:20:50.480 --> 0:20:55.560 It keeps getting me. It's funny, Okay. So then this 0:20:55.600 --> 0:20:59.919 guy Gary shows up. He is a detective investigating the 0:21:00.080 --> 0:21:05.240 disappearance of Jimmy Angelo, and Sally gets flustered and accidentally 0:21:05.280 --> 0:21:09.040 tells him that Jimmy kidnapped Jilly. But they got away 0:21:09.119 --> 0:21:11.840 using his car because they like have his car, and 0:21:11.840 --> 0:21:14.320 he's like, why is his car in your driveway? And 0:21:14.320 --> 0:21:17.000 they're like, oh, yeah, sloop sees. But they're like, but 0:21:17.040 --> 0:21:20.240 we don't know where he is. So Gary keeps hanging 0:21:20.280 --> 0:21:24.520 around town. He's trying to gather information. And then Sally's 0:21:24.640 --> 0:21:30.960 daughters find Sally's spell book or curse book, and they 0:21:30.960 --> 0:21:33.560 find that the spell of the made up man that 0:21:33.680 --> 0:21:35.879 she made when she was little, like the guy who 0:21:35.960 --> 0:21:39.960 has the eyes and the pancakes and the stars, and 0:21:40.000 --> 0:21:43.520 they start to realize that Gary has all of those 0:21:43.560 --> 0:21:50.000 traits that she described in the spell curse. They're like, wait, Gary, 0:21:50.119 --> 0:21:54.360 do you like pancakes? They're like, oh my god, it's 0:21:54.400 --> 0:21:57.640 that he can flip them. You're right, he doesn't even 0:21:57.680 --> 0:22:01.720 like them. We just can flip them. He knows him 0:22:01.720 --> 0:22:09.760 away once he slipped Gary god honestly setting a pretty 0:22:09.800 --> 0:22:14.280 low bar for for the dream man, but sure. And 0:22:14.320 --> 0:22:19.400 then Gary finds Jimmy's ring because a frog barth sit up, 0:22:19.480 --> 0:22:24.399 which he loved to see. Good practical effect, practical magic, 0:22:25.880 --> 0:22:30.320 look at that little cinema knowledge. And then he's like, 0:22:30.440 --> 0:22:34.000 you ladies are in big trouble. You better get a lawyer. 0:22:34.520 --> 0:22:38.560 And then Sally decides to tell him the truth, which 0:22:38.720 --> 0:22:43.160 she sort of does, except that she's like speaking in riddles, 0:22:43.240 --> 0:22:46.520 and then they start kissing, and then she notices that 0:22:46.600 --> 0:22:48.800 he has one green eye and one blue eye and 0:22:48.840 --> 0:22:53.159 she's like, no, I can't. And then Jimmy's spirit shows 0:22:53.240 --> 0:22:57.720 up and Gary is like, what the funk is happening? 0:22:58.240 --> 0:23:00.920 And then the sisters kill the spirit, or at least 0:23:01.000 --> 0:23:10.719 they think they do, and then Sally tells Gary that 0:23:10.760 --> 0:23:13.760 she had cast this spell when she was a little girl, 0:23:13.880 --> 0:23:17.280 and she's like, that's why you're here and we'll never 0:23:17.320 --> 0:23:19.280 know if this is even true love or if it's 0:23:19.359 --> 0:23:22.160 just this spell curse thing, and he's like, I don't 0:23:22.160 --> 0:23:24.959 believe in curses. I wished for you too, and we're like, 0:23:26.080 --> 0:23:29.320 oh my, goh, Mike. But then we find out that 0:23:29.400 --> 0:23:34.919 Jimmy's spirit is still around and has possessed jillyhoo Sees. 0:23:35.040 --> 0:23:38.560 So they need a coven of twelve women to banish 0:23:38.680 --> 0:23:44.760 this spirit. So Sally, who has been made like the 0:23:44.800 --> 0:23:48.560 top of the call tree at her daughter's school because 0:23:49.200 --> 0:23:54.280 Jilly cast a spell to make her that, So she 0:23:54.600 --> 0:23:57.640 called all the moms from her daughter's school to come 0:23:57.800 --> 0:24:00.560 help and be a part of this coven. And together 0:24:00.680 --> 0:24:05.399 they exercise Jilly and kill Jimmy's ghost and sweep his 0:24:05.520 --> 0:24:09.160 dust out of the house because women be cleaning, be sweeping, 0:24:09.960 --> 0:24:15.919 but also which imagery brooms. And then Sally and Gary 0:24:16.040 --> 0:24:20.640 kiss because Gary comes back, and then Fun and then 0:24:20.640 --> 0:24:26.760 they fly off the roof because it's Halloween. And that 0:24:27.160 --> 0:24:30.879 is the story. So let's take a quick break and 0:24:30.920 --> 0:24:39.760 then we'll come right back to discuss. And we're back. 0:24:39.800 --> 0:24:44.639 Welcome back. Oh boy, there's there's a lot to discuss, 0:24:45.560 --> 0:24:49.919 as per huge. So, I mean, something that I wanted 0:24:49.960 --> 0:24:53.159