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Speaker 1: On the Bell Cast, the questions asked if movies have

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Speaker 1: What do they have? Individualism, the patriarchy, zef invest start

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Speaker 1: changing it with the beck Del Cast. Hello, and welcome

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Speaker 1: to the Bechdel Cast. My name is Caitlin Durante and

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Speaker 1: my name is Jamie Loftus, and this is our podcast

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Speaker 1: about the portrayal of women in movies, or as I

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Speaker 1: don't you think? I agree. We have kind of an

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Speaker 1: unusual recording situation today, which is kind of nice. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: let's talk about it. And we're in your bed. We're

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Speaker 1: Matreon episodes if you're a member of our Patreon aka Matreon.

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Speaker 1: Yeah you know, but today we're doing a main feed

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Speaker 1: I think this will be a nice sort of blend

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Speaker 1: on the Matreon, but also perhaps a bit more structured

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Speaker 1: like a main feed episode. Life is so complicated. So

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Speaker 1: normally we have a guest. We don't have one this

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Speaker 1: and then something came up, but we weren't able to

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Speaker 1: reschedule with them because I'm about to go into surgery. Yes,

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Speaker 1: a sludge pouch. And if you need more information about

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Speaker 1: what I'm talking about, you'll just simply have to listen

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Speaker 1: to Sludge an American health care story, my podcast about

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Speaker 1: how the system here is very funked up and biased

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Speaker 1: and broken. So give that listen. But so, we weren't

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Speaker 1: it's just Jamie and I doing this. Bed keeping is

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Speaker 1: but not too loose. Yeah, And this is the last

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Speaker 1: all very grateful for it. It's sludge free after this.

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Speaker 1: She's gonna use her jet blue points. Oh good for Jill.

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Speaker 1: of that past the Bechtel tests. Oh yes it did. Wow,

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Speaker 1: great structure. Um so we analyze. Actually, I think my

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Speaker 1: you're slow singing like, don't make me go do like

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Speaker 1: While we're talking about Practical Magic today, it's been a

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Speaker 1: that movie is black, but she's criminally underwritten and just

424
00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:20,000
Speaker 1: done a disservice by the movie as a whole, and

425
00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:23,320
Speaker 1: the focus is always on the white girls. I mean,

426
00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:28,400
Speaker 1: we've kind of revisited these late nineties classic mistakes over

427
00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:30,600
Speaker 1: and over, but this movie is certainly guilty of it

428
00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:34,159
Speaker 1: as well. Yeah, another thing, and this is less of

429
00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:37,879
Speaker 1: a kind of historical erasure thing and more of just

430
00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:43,600
Speaker 1: like I suppose, metaphorical or just sort of like a

431
00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:47,400
Speaker 1: thing that happens in the narrative. But so the Owens

432
00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:50,880
Speaker 1: women are, they're always mothered right by the community who

433
00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:55,040
Speaker 1: has cast them out and called them witches and bitches um.

434
00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:58,200
Speaker 1: And then there's a moment towards the end as Sally

435
00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:01,480
Speaker 1: is like calling the phone tree and she's like, hey,

436
00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:04,400
Speaker 1: you know that thing that everyone's been whispering about me

437
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:08,159
Speaker 1: about how I'm a witch? Well it's true. So she

438
00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:12,160
Speaker 1: effectively comes out. And then a scene right after that

439
00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:17,159
Speaker 1: is like her colleague at like the like which shop

440
00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:20,879
Speaker 1: that she runs, Uh, that character is like did you

441
00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:25,359
Speaker 1: hear Sally just came out? Which of course is language

442
00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:31,520
Speaker 1: used for queer like that, And so it's like taking

443
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:37,520
Speaker 1: the like borrowing or maybe even appropriating this experience that

444
00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:40,760
Speaker 1: we thrust upon queer people, a burden that we put

445
00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:45,840
Speaker 1: upon them because of how heteronormative society is. And it's like, well,

446
00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:48,639
Speaker 1: if you don't. If you are not hetero, then it

447
00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:51,639
Speaker 1: is your burden responsibility to come out. And then to

448
00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:57,479
Speaker 1: ascribe that to what Sally is doing I thought was

449
00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:04,240
Speaker 1: peculiar at it was just another bizarro misguided like what

450
00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:09,600
Speaker 1: was the objective of this scene? So yeah, that those

451
00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:12,880
Speaker 1: are a couple of things right off right at the top,

452
00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:18,160
Speaker 1: that we're not the best choices to be made. Yeah,

453
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:23,280
Speaker 1: so there's yeah, there's definitely a lot of issues. What

454
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:25,280
Speaker 1: is What did you like about this movie? What did

455
00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:28,200
Speaker 1: you feel this movie did well? Well, there's a fair

456
00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:33,679
Speaker 1: amount because it is a predominantly female cast. There it

457
00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:38,320
Speaker 1: is largely about women, at least of the characters that

458
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:40,520
Speaker 1: we get to know the most supporting each other. They

459
00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:42,720
Speaker 1: do not have the support of their community until the

460
00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:45,800
Speaker 1: very end. But even that's nice when like the moms

461
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:49,760
Speaker 1: who have been like you know, making snide comments and

462
00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:53,440
Speaker 1: casting them out of the community. Uh, they even come

463
00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:56,480
Speaker 1: to help a woman in need. So I like that

464
00:28:56,600 --> 00:29:01,800
Speaker 1: it's largely about like women supporting women, says the supporting sisters. Um,

465
00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:05,400
Speaker 1: there's three generations of sisters and which is cool. Cool,

466
00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:09,680
Speaker 1: they're all living together, they're all practicing, you know, witchcraft.

467
00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:13,840
Speaker 1: I like that they also make mistakes. It's not like

468
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:16,840
Speaker 1: the like the perfect female friendships that we sort of

469
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 1: see in movies where they're like, you know, women can

470
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:23,040
Speaker 1: only be friends and connected if they do it perfectly,

471
00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:26,080
Speaker 1: which is a trope that drives me insane. And I mean,

472
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:29,880
Speaker 1: every every woman in this movie is human, right as

473
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:33,480
Speaker 1: well as being a witch u and and makes mistakes

474
00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:36,440
Speaker 1: that the aunts make the well intentioned mistake of being like,

475
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:38,560
Speaker 1: but we wanted you to have love in your life

476
00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:44,000
Speaker 1: and she's like, well, now my husband is dead, and

477
00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:47,800
Speaker 1: where where's this scene where Sandra Bullock is staring at

478
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:52,120
Speaker 1: her husband's grave Because I miss you so fucking much.

479
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:57,840
Speaker 1: We should do another episode on the Rock. I feel

480
00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:00,480
Speaker 1: like with the benefit of you know, year and from like,

481
00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:03,440
Speaker 1: I think, I think there's more to say that I

482
00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:07,040
Speaker 1: missed you so much. But then it was like the

483
00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:11,480
Speaker 1: the inverse of um like these like perfect female friendships

484
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:15,000
Speaker 1: and relationships is something else we see that's very troubling movies,

485
00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:18,600
Speaker 1: which is women hating each other for no real irrationally.

486
00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:20,880
Speaker 1: And neither of those things happened in this movie, right,

487
00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:23,080
Speaker 1: which is great, and I especially do I mean, and

488
00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:29,160
Speaker 1: there are problematique things that happen inside of this relationship.

489
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:32,400
Speaker 1: But I do like the relationship between Sally and Julie.

490
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:36,280
Speaker 1: I like that they're very different, but the I don't know,

491
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:40,120
Speaker 1: just even like the little touch of like they can feel,

492
00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:43,120
Speaker 1: they can instinctively know when the other person is in trouble,

493
00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:47,400
Speaker 1: especially when Jilly, even though they have like their differences

494
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:50,960
Speaker 1: in conflicts that um Sally is Julie's first call when

495
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:55,360
Speaker 1: she is being abused was a moment that I was like, Oh,

496
00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:58,120
Speaker 1: that's like a real you know, like that was, Oh,

497
00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:01,479
Speaker 1: that that's like a beautiful sister thing that actually felt

498
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:04,000
Speaker 1: in a movie that does not feel grounded in reality

499
00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:08,640
Speaker 1: at all, like a more grounded good moment. And and

500
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:10,800
Speaker 1: I know that it's like, you know, we're not endorsing

501
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:14,720
Speaker 1: murder here, but the fact that you know, their bond

502
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:18,520
Speaker 1: is so strong and Sally generally, I mean, she believes

503
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:22,560
Speaker 1: Julie like they it's Sally's annoyed that Jillie's in this predicament,

504
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:25,520
Speaker 1: which I don't think it's necessarily fair, but she is

505
00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 1: also like, I obviously believe you, and uh, if we

506
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:29,960
Speaker 1: got to kill this guy, we gotta kill this guy,

507
00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:33,040
Speaker 1: you know, which you know that there's not a one

508
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:35,239
Speaker 1: to one application in the real world. But I do

509
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:39,880
Speaker 1: like that, like intense loyalty and trust and belief of

510
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:42,840
Speaker 1: each other for sure, that they even make a pact

511
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:45,479
Speaker 1: that like they must die at the same time, like

512
00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:48,120
Speaker 1: if one of them it's going to die, it's gonna die.

513
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:53,000
Speaker 1: I love childhood pats and the people who take them seriously.

514
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:57,120
Speaker 1: Like my me and my two cousins were so so

515
00:31:57,320 --> 00:31:59,200
Speaker 1: we all thought we were witches. This was like in

516
00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:02,320
Speaker 1: the same time, and we made a pact we were

517
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:06,480
Speaker 1: like between ten and twelve where we were like, oh, well,

518
00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:09,880
Speaker 1: if we get married someday we have the other, we

519
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:12,400
Speaker 1: won't choose a maid of honor. Both of you will

520
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:15,560
Speaker 1: be my maids of honor. And then they're keeping that promise,

521
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:18,760
Speaker 1: which I'm like, oh, that's so It's so nice and

522
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:20,800
Speaker 1: it makes me cry to think about. But I'm also like,

523
00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:24,760
Speaker 1: we were stupid. Do whatever you want. And also being

524
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:27,360
Speaker 1: a maid of honor is really hard. I don't want

525
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:30,240
Speaker 1: to do it twice. But you know, here we are,

526
00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:34,720
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Just the closeness that they show,

527
00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:39,240
Speaker 1: and I mean I was even getting some someon Louise

528
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:43,440
Speaker 1: vibes from this movie. But it's it's like just because

529
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:46,640
Speaker 1: it was our redhead and brunette with an inseparable blond. No,

530
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:50,440
Speaker 1: because they kill a man, they oh, that's true, and

531
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:53,720
Speaker 1: they have to They think about going to the police,

532
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:58,400
Speaker 1: but they're like, the police won't believe us, because police

533
00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:01,479
Speaker 1: often do not believe women if they're being you know,

534
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:06,800
Speaker 1: if they're victims of assault or anything like that. But

535
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:10,720
Speaker 1: this movie is if Thelma and Louise were witches and

536
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:14,120
Speaker 1: which Susan and Susan Sarandon falls in love with the

537
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:19,480
Speaker 1: Harvey Kitel character, So I thought that was very true funny.

538
00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:22,719
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean they kill they kill an abuser. Uh,

539
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:26,120
Speaker 1: they contemplate going to the police, saying it was self defense.

540
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:28,120
Speaker 1: They know they won't be believed, so they have to

541
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:31,960
Speaker 1: take matters into their own hands. And that's pretty much

542
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:35,640
Speaker 1: what Louise. That's true, and it's and you know, maybe

543
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:38,200
Speaker 1: this movie is a little less gracefully written, but but

544
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:40,760
Speaker 1: all the main points were there this movie. This is

545
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:43,360
Speaker 1: also like kind of unrelated, but this movie is directed

546
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:48,000
Speaker 1: by Joan Didion's nephew, So if not feminist icon, feminist

547
00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:52,000
Speaker 1: icon adjacent to be sure. Griffin done, Griffin done, yeah,

548
00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:57,360
Speaker 1: and it was written by let's see screenwriters were Robin's Swygert. Yes,

549
00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:01,040
Speaker 1: Robin Swygert is very cool. She has written a lot

550
00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:04,920
Speaker 1: of iconic movies including Little Women, which will be covering

551
00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:08,760
Speaker 1: on the cast soon, Matilda, The Jane Austen Book Club,

552
00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:11,759
Speaker 1: and she wrote she helped. She was one of the

553
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:14,279
Speaker 1: credited writers on Memoirs of a Geisha and Curious Case

554
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:16,840
Speaker 1: of Benjamin Button. She's written a lot interesting um. She

555
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:20,640
Speaker 1: was one of the writers, as was Akiva Goldsman. I

556
00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:25,640
Speaker 1: don't really know her background. His background he wrote Batman

557
00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:28,680
Speaker 1: Forever Batman and Robin I Robot I am Legend Cinderella Man,

558
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:30,520
Speaker 1: so this is kind of an outlier in his catalog.

559
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:34,760
Speaker 1: And then the final writer was Adam Brooks. Adam Brooks

560
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:41,359
Speaker 1: has credits including Wimbledon, Bridget Jones, The Edge of Reason, Okay,

561
00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:45,839
Speaker 1: go Off King. So it's written co written by two men,

562
00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:48,400
Speaker 1: one woman, but it's based on a novel by a woman,

563
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:52,080
Speaker 1: Alice Hoffman, who is an icon in that she lives

564
00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:57,880
Speaker 1: in Boston. Yes, I saw a lot of signed. Alice

565
00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:02,960
Speaker 1: Hoffman's locally swish, but she's she's a She's written a

566
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:05,120
Speaker 1: lot of popular books I don't. I don't really know.

567
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:07,080
Speaker 1: I mean, I would be curious to see to know

568
00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:10,480
Speaker 1: how this strays from the from the book, but I'm

569
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:12,920
Speaker 1: not sure. Yeah, I have not read, as per usual

570
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:18,279
Speaker 1: book podcast, haven't read a book, so so sorry. But

571
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:22,080
Speaker 1: if you do have insight, um, feel free to offer

572
00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:24,879
Speaker 1: it in the comments. Um. And if you've read a book,

573
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:27,279
Speaker 1: feel free to just tweet at us and brag about it,

574
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:32,480
Speaker 1: because it ain't easy. Who has the talks are long?

575
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:38,800
Speaker 1: I fall asleep. So yeah, I mean, other things to

576
00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:43,520
Speaker 1: like about this movie I think are that. I mean, yeah,

577
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:46,960
Speaker 1: it's just it's just largely a story about women supporting

578
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:49,480
Speaker 1: each other. Because as you as you you know already

579
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:53,840
Speaker 1: pointed out, it's Sally helping Jilly with her abusive boyfriend.

580
00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:57,560
Speaker 1: Like it's just no questions asked, She just like drops everything,

581
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:01,399
Speaker 1: gets on the next flight and us to help her. Uh.

582
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:05,320
Speaker 1: Then we see the scene where Jilly learns that Sally

583
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:08,080
Speaker 1: has never picked at the top of the phone tree

584
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:11,200
Speaker 1: chain thing at her daughter's school, and she goes and

585
00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:14,320
Speaker 1: cast that spell that so that she's at the top.

586
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:19,400
Speaker 1: It's very very lovely, like the portrayal of motherhood I

587
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:22,239
Speaker 1: thought was lovely and or you know, just female gradianship

588
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:25,880
Speaker 1: in general, because we're talking about the aunts, um, the sisters.

589
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:29,200
Speaker 1: The sisterhood is I love. I do love in in

590
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:33,960
Speaker 1: movies when two women band together to kill a predator,

591
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:37,960
Speaker 1: it is very cathartic and fun to watch, especially when

592
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:44,600
Speaker 1: it's a frosty tipped loser like Jimmy Angel Love he

593
00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:51,319
Speaker 1: was full spiritually had frosty tips, though he definitely spiritually

594
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:55,480
Speaker 1: had them. I also like that, Um, they were very different,

595
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:58,360
Speaker 1: as you already said. Also like they had very different lifestyles,

596
00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:00,480
Speaker 1: like just it's all about like going on and fucking

597
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:03,719
Speaker 1: a bunch of people, it seems, whereas Sally wanted the

598
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:07,400
Speaker 1: more kind of traditional nuclear family unit lifestyle. But like

599
00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:10,640
Speaker 1: neither of them ever judged the other for the they wanted.

600
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:13,440
Speaker 1: There were some like light teasing, which feels kind of

601
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:16,520
Speaker 1: on par for how sisters treat each other, but like, yeah,

602
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:19,560
Speaker 1: it did feel like there wasn't really a value judgment

603
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:22,759
Speaker 1: placed on either of them, even by the movie on

604
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:25,799
Speaker 1: like this is just how this character is chosen to live,

605
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:28,960
Speaker 1: and both of them. And it's also like because I

606
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:31,360
Speaker 1: you know, like a red flag that I would immediately

607
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:34,279
Speaker 1: assume because they are kind of as I love that

608
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:36,000
Speaker 1: they're different, but they're you know, they're written kind of

609
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:38,880
Speaker 1: like trophy different, Like this is the fun one and

610
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:42,080
Speaker 1: this is the one that wants the family, Like it's

611
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:47,800
Speaker 1: basically like the Charlotte and the Samantha, right, which but

612
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:50,399
Speaker 1: but but I feel like what would normally happen which

613
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:53,160
Speaker 1: doesn't here? Which is great? Is that um, the fun

614
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:56,680
Speaker 1: one quote unquote is either mocked or punished in some

615
00:37:56,760 --> 00:38:00,400
Speaker 1: way for being you know, like sexually active, which is

616
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:04,080
Speaker 1: like such a you know, age old trope. But they both,

617
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:07,040
Speaker 1: I mean, they both get into pretty deep ship and

618
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:09,919
Speaker 1: like it. I don't think that necessarily one of them

619
00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:13,680
Speaker 1: is more screwed over than the other because you know,

620
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:16,200
Speaker 1: Nicole Kidman, although it is she's the one that ends

621
00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:19,880
Speaker 1: up I think the only difference is the men that

622
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:23,239
Speaker 1: they end up with, at least briefly. Um is that

623
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:27,399
Speaker 1: Nicole Kidmen, the sexually active independent uh you know, left

624
00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:29,480
Speaker 1: her hometown one is the one that ends up in

625
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:32,200
Speaker 1: a relationship with an abuser, whereas Sally, who wants the

626
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:36,720
Speaker 1: nuclear family, ended up with a sweet pie who loved

627
00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:38,680
Speaker 1: her but then was hit by a truck because she

628
00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:41,719
Speaker 1: loved him too. Much right, But then also like because

629
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:45,719
Speaker 1: Nicole Kidman's character ends up with this abuser who they

630
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:50,200
Speaker 1: then kill and then she doesn't like get another guy

631
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:52,839
Speaker 1: at the end, which is great, Yeah, but which is great,

632
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:56,920
Speaker 1: But I feel like that's almost maybe like nineties narratives

633
00:38:57,000 --> 00:39:01,200
Speaker 1: kind of punishing her, maybe arguably for like you mess

634
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:03,000
Speaker 1: you had a shot and you messed it up. But

635
00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:06,480
Speaker 1: this this nice lady, she had a husband and yes

636
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:08,799
Speaker 1: he died because the Beatle was there. But also then

637
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:11,319
Speaker 1: he gets she gets to fall she gets to fall

638
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:14,080
Speaker 1: in love with this other guy. Yeah, that would say.

639
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:17,120
Speaker 1: So that's like, yeah, I totally see what you're saying.

640
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:20,680
Speaker 1: And the fact that Sandra Bullock gets to date two

641
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:25,960
Speaker 1: great guys and Nicole Kipman gets one horrible abuser um

642
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:28,719
Speaker 1: is kind of like and it's like to the point

643
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:31,080
Speaker 1: where you're like, I don't even know that the writers

644
00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:34,680
Speaker 1: were consciously making that value judgment, but it does sort

645
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:38,239
Speaker 1: of when you're in over analysis moment, you're like, the

646
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:41,000
Speaker 1: optics aren't great, and of course, like you and I

647
00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:45,960
Speaker 1: don't see like a woman getting a relationship as a

648
00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:48,680
Speaker 1: reward the way that like a lot of narratives but

649
00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:51,840
Speaker 1: this but this narrative does see first as a reward.

650
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:58,200
Speaker 1: Every movie considers hetero relationship between two boring people the best,

651
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:01,359
Speaker 1: the best, the us that you can expect from life.

652
00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:03,759
Speaker 1: Um so yeah. And and it also you know, like

653
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:07,600
Speaker 1: people in who desire a nuclear family, it's not like

654
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:11,560
Speaker 1: they don't sometimes end up in abusive relationships, and you know,

655
00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:15,120
Speaker 1: reinforcing the idea that every nuclear family is impervious to

656
00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:20,279
Speaker 1: abuse and conflict. It's a dairy Hollywood narrative that you're fed.

657
00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:23,800
Speaker 1: Um so, yes, maybe we are over analyzing it a

658
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:27,960
Speaker 1: little bit, but it's how we feel. That's our job. Okay,

659
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:30,799
Speaker 1: that's our job. That's how that's why you pay zero

660
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:33,480
Speaker 1: dollars to listen to this. Okay, we've gotta take a

661
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:36,239
Speaker 1: quick break, but let's come back soon, shall we. Yeah,

662
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:44,800
Speaker 1: let's great, and we're back. Well, I can't believe you

663
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:50,080
Speaker 1: cast so many spells? Or were they curses? During that

664
00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:56,840
Speaker 1: that break? They were curses? I liked, all right, what

665
00:40:56,920 --> 00:41:00,120
Speaker 1: would you like to discuss next? Kind of continue? Do

666
00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:04,399
Speaker 1: me a little bit off of the romantic interests that

667
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:10,000
Speaker 1: the movie has for the characters. I feel, and I

668
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:13,440
Speaker 1: say this a lot, but here we go again. I

669
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:19,080
Speaker 1: feel that the romantic storyline between Sandra Bullocks character Sally

670
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:26,960
Speaker 1: and Aidan Quinn Gary is not necessary and probably didn't

671
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:30,120
Speaker 1: need to be in the movie. My guess is this

672
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:33,800
Speaker 1: is a studio notes relationship, or I feel I wouldn't

673
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:36,720
Speaker 1: be surprised if it was in the original the novel

674
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:40,520
Speaker 1: and it was just adapted that way. I hard to say.

675
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:42,839
Speaker 1: We can't make that call at all, having not read,

676
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:48,680
Speaker 1: but either way, I would have liked the story a

677
00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:53,720
Speaker 1: bit better if it had just been two women having

678
00:41:53,760 --> 00:42:00,280
Speaker 1: to deal with this abuser. They kill him accidentally. Again,

679
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:03,560
Speaker 1: we don't endorse murder on the Bectel cast. Yeah, but

680
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:05,720
Speaker 1: this is a it's a movie, but it's a movie,

681
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:09,319
Speaker 1: and so killing in the movie, right, they have to

682
00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:11,759
Speaker 1: deal with the aftermath of that. I think that could

683
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:17,239
Speaker 1: have been handled just as well and effectively had there

684
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:22,920
Speaker 1: not been this romantic storyline wedged in, because that ends

685
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:27,040
Speaker 1: up being a weird thing where he stops doing his

686
00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:32,560
Speaker 1: job as a criminal investigator because if this spell curse

687
00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:36,520
Speaker 1: that she's cast and he's like, yeah, we've ruled his

688
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:39,520
Speaker 1: death as an accident, and we we don't know this

689
00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:43,080
Speaker 1: body is not anywhere. We never found the body. We

690
00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:47,520
Speaker 1: don't know what happened, but my job as a criminal investigator,

691
00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:49,600
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna put that on the back burner. Just

692
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:53,200
Speaker 1: with this woman, it does feel like and like his

693
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:57,160
Speaker 1: character Ultimately, it feels like an attempt at raising steaks

694
00:42:57,480 --> 00:42:59,680
Speaker 1: because he's brought in a like oh no, now there's

695
00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:01,520
Speaker 1: someone on their tail. But yeah, he's kind of like

696
00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:04,359
Speaker 1: the way his character is treated as like, oh, like,

697
00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:06,879
Speaker 1: you don't get the feeling that if he finds out,

698
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:09,239
Speaker 1: he's going to be like, you're going to jail. Like

699
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:11,879
Speaker 1: it doesn't really heighten the stakes that much. Is just

700
00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:14,560
Speaker 1: for me, it was like just a distraction of like

701
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:17,759
Speaker 1: I guess aid and Quinn is here or whatever. I

702
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:19,399
Speaker 1: don't know. I wasn't a big fan of that either.

703
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:21,920
Speaker 1: I thought that, you know, I would have liked a

704
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:25,040
Speaker 1: little more of maybe the daughters there was other use

705
00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:29,719
Speaker 1: of that real estate or that the aunts can do something. Yeah,

706
00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:33,520
Speaker 1: the fact him being there is an obstacle, fine, But

707
00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:36,600
Speaker 1: the fact that then he and Sally end up in

708
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:40,680
Speaker 1: a relationship, uh didn't work for me. And he was

709
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:43,640
Speaker 1: never even like a particularly like he just doesn't because

710
00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:46,880
Speaker 1: he's immediately like there's there's like chemistry between them you're like,

711
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:51,040
Speaker 1: he doesn't seem like a particularly like difficult obstacle, Like

712
00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:56,680
Speaker 1: I don't know, right. Um. The fact also that one

713
00:43:56,719 --> 00:44:01,520
Speaker 1: of the huge vehicles that like drives this whole narrative

714
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:05,040
Speaker 1: is the idea of like romantic love and it's like,

715
00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:08,319
Speaker 1: so it's in love with who, who's in a relationship?

716
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:11,439
Speaker 1: How does that affect our lives? Like, so let's talk

717
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:13,759
Speaker 1: about that too, because that was like one of the

718
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:17,840
Speaker 1: things on on this rewatch where you're like, we really

719
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:20,640
Speaker 1: only with some exceptions, like there's a little spell that

720
00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:23,720
Speaker 1: she does at the school. There's like small little plot

721
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:26,319
Speaker 1: spells that we see that we're like, oh, that's she's

722
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:31,480
Speaker 1: stirring her coffee with magic, like basic kind of stuff.

723
00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:33,719
Speaker 1: They You're like, Okay, they can move things with their minds,

724
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:36,720
Speaker 1: that's cool, But you really only ever see their magic

725
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:40,480
Speaker 1: in practice as it is related to men um and

726
00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:44,920
Speaker 1: as it is related to their like different relationships. And

727
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:48,160
Speaker 1: I think that that is like another thing that you're

728
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:51,000
Speaker 1: just like like there, you know, I would have liked

729
00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:54,240
Speaker 1: to see, like what can they actually do outside of

730
00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:58,839
Speaker 1: navigating around this curse that I think is also inherently

731
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:02,719
Speaker 1: like there's something did in there too, where the concept

732
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:05,520
Speaker 1: of the curses you know, any man or is it

733
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:11,040
Speaker 1: a spell though it's a curse, it's always a curse.

734
00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:15,000
Speaker 1: But the idea that you know, all men who ever

735
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:17,839
Speaker 1: love these women will die just sort of you know,

736
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:21,799
Speaker 1: like goes into that uh sort of nasty trope that

737
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:27,160
Speaker 1: just means like women's emotions are somehow a dangerous thing

738
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:31,359
Speaker 1: and that um, treating a woman kindly and and like

739
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:35,520
Speaker 1: loving a woman properly is somehow dooming you like it

740
00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:37,800
Speaker 1: does sort of tie into and I feel like doesn't

741
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:40,399
Speaker 1: isn't really examined by the movie that much of like

742
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:43,759
Speaker 1: Reasons that which is people who are perceived to be

743
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:46,680
Speaker 1: which is used to be executed, which was just like

744
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:49,440
Speaker 1: women with too much power, It was a fear of

745
00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:52,160
Speaker 1: it was either like an excuse to get rid of

746
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:56,799
Speaker 1: woman that the powers that be didn't like uh, were

747
00:45:56,840 --> 00:45:59,360
Speaker 1: stepped out of line in some way, or it was

748
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:05,239
Speaker 1: a condemnation of women in stem and like womeners and yeah,

749
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:08,960
Speaker 1: which is where usually considered thought to be witches when

750
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:14,400
Speaker 1: they were stepping outside of societal norms and and disproportionately

751
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:18,799
Speaker 1: women who were menopausal or post menopausal were so like

752
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:21,880
Speaker 1: older or elderly women were often thought to be which

753
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:28,640
Speaker 1: is more so um poor women, widowed women or never

754
00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:31,439
Speaker 1: married women were all like these types of women were

755
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:35,319
Speaker 1: to be more likely to be persecuted for being witches. Right,

756
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:39,440
Speaker 1: And so it's just like the entire culture surrounding the

757
00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:44,879
Speaker 1: persecution of people accused of being witches just ties into this,

758
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:50,120
Speaker 1: like fear of women straying out of what is their

759
00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:53,680
Speaker 1: societally expected role. Right, It's just like stepping out of

760
00:46:53,719 --> 00:46:57,000
Speaker 1: line means you're more likely to literally get murdered for

761
00:46:57,000 --> 00:47:00,600
Speaker 1: no reason. And I think that this movie does some

762
00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:02,680
Speaker 1: things to challenge it, but it it is again a

763
00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:07,240
Speaker 1: very late nineties safe challenge because most of their magic

764
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:13,480
Speaker 1: is in direct relation to hetero stuff and results, you know,

765
00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:17,200
Speaker 1: the result, like you were just talking about, is romantically

766
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:22,759
Speaker 1: fulfilling hetero relationship for the character who is not more

767
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:27,719
Speaker 1: sexually active, who more subscribed to the the idea of

768
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:34,360
Speaker 1: the American woman role. Yes, but yeah, I mean just

769
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:36,640
Speaker 1: in general, like just in terms of what I think

770
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:38,359
Speaker 1: would have been more fun to watch, just to see,

771
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:41,040
Speaker 1: you know, how they could use their magic in ways

772
00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:46,200
Speaker 1: that didn't directly relate to men, right for sure. Even so,

773
00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:50,840
Speaker 1: I think It is nice to see positive representation of

774
00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:56,320
Speaker 1: like witchy characters in media because media has usually done

775
00:47:56,400 --> 00:48:00,040
Speaker 1: what society has done in terms of its treatment of

776
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:04,400
Speaker 1: people who were assumed to be witches, which is which

777
00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:11,160
Speaker 1: is too, which is wow words, um, which is to

778
00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:18,560
Speaker 1: paint them in very negative ways. Um, which characters in

779
00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:27,200
Speaker 1: movies are usually like the evil, the yeah, scary bad,

780
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:30,000
Speaker 1: which is who are evil? And the farious and I

781
00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:35,200
Speaker 1: think normally jealous too is a defining quality of like

782
00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:38,920
Speaker 1: the traditional Hollywood which character is that the snow white

783
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:41,840
Speaker 1: evil stepmother, which yeah, like envy is really tight in

784
00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:45,600
Speaker 1: and that has kind of nothing to do with the nineties,

785
00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:49,839
Speaker 1: which which is fun because I mean, which ha there,

786
00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:52,920
Speaker 1: and this is kind of where this is like coming

787
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:54,680
Speaker 1: out in a moment where it's kind of like a

788
00:48:54,719 --> 00:48:59,960
Speaker 1: peak like cool trendy nineties, which because it's like at

789
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:02,839
Speaker 1: this time we have the Craft I think comes out

790
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:05,279
Speaker 1: shortly after this. We have a Craft was I think

791
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:07,759
Speaker 1: a couple years before is it before? Okay, so we

792
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:10,800
Speaker 1: have that, we have Sabrina the teenage, which Harry Potter

793
00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:13,600
Speaker 1: is about to come out in a cocus pocus like

794
00:49:13,640 --> 00:49:17,760
Speaker 1: the nineties is fully Halloween Halloween Town for crying outlet,

795
00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:23,120
Speaker 1: Like it's like this is a big moment for sympathizing

796
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:28,040
Speaker 1: with witch characters. Also the Witches of Eastwick, which I

797
00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:30,840
Speaker 1: have not seen and don't know what the movie is about,

798
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:33,920
Speaker 1: but if it might be an example as well, I

799
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:38,640
Speaker 1: don't know. We don't know if someone has um every

800
00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:41,359
Speaker 1: time something like specifically this comes up and like, Hey,

801
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:44,480
Speaker 1: if anyone's written their thesis paper on this, email me

802
00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:47,480
Speaker 1: a PDF, because I would be curious as to like,

803
00:49:47,640 --> 00:49:51,040
Speaker 1: because like the mid to late nineties is loaded, like

804
00:49:51,080 --> 00:49:55,839
Speaker 1: there's just this huge boost in which characters being portrayed

805
00:49:55,920 --> 00:49:59,040
Speaker 1: sympathetically and not just sympathetically, but being portrayed as like

806
00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:03,480
Speaker 1: cool and aspirational, and I wonder why that is. I wonder,

807
00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:06,759
Speaker 1: like societally, what was was what was going on that

808
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:09,200
Speaker 1: made that made that cool. I'm glad it happened. I

809
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:12,040
Speaker 1: would I wanted to come back because it was you know,

810
00:50:12,080 --> 00:50:15,600
Speaker 1: inclusive this time. Yeah, definitely. It was a good departure

811
00:50:15,680 --> 00:50:19,520
Speaker 1: from the way which has had previously been represented, which

812
00:50:19,560 --> 00:50:24,759
Speaker 1: is also not which is also not at all reflective

813
00:50:25,120 --> 00:50:29,080
Speaker 1: of the women who were actually condemned for being which

814
00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:32,120
Speaker 1: is throughout history. So it's just been so muddied and

815
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:35,359
Speaker 1: it's weird. I mean, I I like the the all

816
00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:38,840
Speaker 1: cool reboot of which is I think it's fun and

817
00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:41,640
Speaker 1: and awesome and like it just was very influential on

818
00:50:41,719 --> 00:50:44,120
Speaker 1: me as a kid too. Like so I'm very biased

819
00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:45,360
Speaker 1: in saying it because I was just like, oh, this

820
00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:48,799
Speaker 1: is my ship, but it was very cool. Um, can

821
00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:53,960
Speaker 1: we talk a little bit about the Jimmy situation. Yes,

822
00:50:54,040 --> 00:50:57,600
Speaker 1: let's talk about him. So there is like the depiction

823
00:50:58,040 --> 00:51:01,239
Speaker 1: in some ways of an abusive relationship in this movie

824
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:06,560
Speaker 1: between Jilly and Jimmy, And I will say, I know

825
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:09,200
Speaker 1: this is like a polarizing topic and everyone's going to

826
00:51:09,239 --> 00:51:12,520
Speaker 1: have a different opinion. I was kind of pleasantly surprised

827
00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:16,719
Speaker 1: with how this movie handled it, partially because he gets killed,

828
00:51:16,719 --> 00:51:19,880
Speaker 1: which is great and cathartic, but I, I I mean, we

829
00:51:20,040 --> 00:51:22,280
Speaker 1: sort of talked about this already, But I really liked

830
00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:26,960
Speaker 1: that Jilly called her sister right away when the relationship

831
00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:31,520
Speaker 1: truly became volatile and saw support from her sister. I

832
00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:35,600
Speaker 1: thought that that was like a pretty realistic, strong move

833
00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:38,120
Speaker 1: on the part of that. Like, I was weirdly, like

834
00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:40,279
Speaker 1: very affected by it that every time I see that

835
00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:44,239
Speaker 1: scene and I don't know. I mean, I I it's

836
00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:48,200
Speaker 1: also implied in a way that was I think it's

837
00:51:48,200 --> 00:51:51,200
Speaker 1: just like that relationship because it did get so cartoony,

838
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:54,480
Speaker 1: and I think Jimmy has maybe a little too cartoony

839
00:51:54,600 --> 00:52:00,399
Speaker 1: for an abuser, uh in in some ways where it's like,

840
00:52:00,680 --> 00:52:02,840
Speaker 1: you know, he's up and then bonk him on the

841
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:04,960
Speaker 1: head and he's down, Like there is like a cartoony

842
00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:08,080
Speaker 1: nature of how they kill him. But another thing that

843
00:52:08,120 --> 00:52:10,600
Speaker 1: could have affected me and I was like, Oh, that's

844
00:52:10,600 --> 00:52:13,080
Speaker 1: like more nuanced than I would expect from this movie,

845
00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:16,560
Speaker 1: I guess, is that Julie makes it clear that she

846
00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:19,759
Speaker 1: really did, like have feelings for him and loved him

847
00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:23,560
Speaker 1: and didn't have guilt about that and was like honest

848
00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:26,560
Speaker 1: about that with her sister. And that was another thing

849
00:52:26,600 --> 00:52:28,440
Speaker 1: that I was like, Oh, that's more than I would

850
00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:32,480
Speaker 1: expect from a movie like this. And I also found

851
00:52:32,520 --> 00:52:34,239
Speaker 1: to be just I'm like, oh, I don't know how

852
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:38,160
Speaker 1: often you see that, because you know, so often when

853
00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:41,000
Speaker 1: abusive relationships are portrayed, we see the characters in the

854
00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:42,759
Speaker 1: movie being like, well, why don't Julie, why don't you

855
00:52:43,560 --> 00:52:46,440
Speaker 1: like just all the kind of normal blaming stuff for

856
00:52:46,560 --> 00:52:49,399
Speaker 1: women that are in abusive relationships, but to hear her,

857
00:52:49,680 --> 00:52:53,000
Speaker 1: you know, say genuinely that she did love him and

858
00:52:53,080 --> 00:52:56,080
Speaker 1: she was afraid of him, and you know now she

859
00:52:56,400 --> 00:52:59,279
Speaker 1: we'd see the moment where she says, enough is enough.

860
00:52:59,360 --> 00:53:01,200
Speaker 1: I need to seek out help to get out of

861
00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:04,960
Speaker 1: this situation. I thought was was kind of well done

862
00:53:05,200 --> 00:53:09,160
Speaker 1: and right. I was again just be I think mostly

863
00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:12,800
Speaker 1: because it came out where it's like, you know, everything

864
00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:15,200
Speaker 1: is blamey and weird. I was. I was like very

865
00:53:15,239 --> 00:53:18,520
Speaker 1: impressed with like the way that that played out, and

866
00:53:18,680 --> 00:53:22,040
Speaker 1: like we've discussed before that Sally doesn't um at any

867
00:53:22,080 --> 00:53:25,960
Speaker 1: point not believe her sister UM. And then you know,

868
00:53:26,080 --> 00:53:28,239
Speaker 1: however cartoonish I think. I mean, it would have been

869
00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:30,040
Speaker 1: a little weird if they didn't kill him in a weird,

870
00:53:30,080 --> 00:53:32,680
Speaker 1: cartoony way, I guess, just because of the tone of

871
00:53:32,719 --> 00:53:35,960
Speaker 1: the movie, but in a very cathartic way. I think

872
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:38,319
Speaker 1: for women who have been in abusive relationships, it is

873
00:53:38,360 --> 00:53:40,520
Speaker 1: always very fun for us to be like and then

874
00:53:40,520 --> 00:53:44,000
Speaker 1: he gets killed and no one gets in trouble because

875
00:53:44,040 --> 00:53:47,279
Speaker 1: that's just like a fun fantasy. UM. But yeah, I

876
00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:49,959
Speaker 1: don't know. I was generally impressed with how this movie

877
00:53:49,960 --> 00:53:54,880
Speaker 1: handled it. Right, because all relationships are complicated, including ones

878
00:53:55,360 --> 00:54:00,160
Speaker 1: with abusers. So but movies often failed to explore or

879
00:54:00,200 --> 00:54:03,719
Speaker 1: any of the complexities of those relationships and usually just

880
00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:08,200
Speaker 1: paint the abuser as being just like extremely cartoony and

881
00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:12,640
Speaker 1: he is, especially after he killed Sillier and Sillier but

882
00:54:12,760 --> 00:54:15,680
Speaker 1: up till that, but before that, Yeah, yeah, I agree.

883
00:54:15,680 --> 00:54:19,399
Speaker 1: I think the movie handled that fairly responsibly. It was nice.

884
00:54:19,520 --> 00:54:21,680
Speaker 1: Yeah and there And I think we've discussed this, I

885
00:54:21,680 --> 00:54:24,360
Speaker 1: think more on the main trion weirdly than on the

886
00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:28,560
Speaker 1: main feed. But the idea that I mean just statistically,

887
00:54:28,600 --> 00:54:31,080
Speaker 1: women are more commonly abused and assaulted by men that

888
00:54:31,120 --> 00:54:33,719
Speaker 1: they already know as opposed And that's not to say

889
00:54:33,719 --> 00:54:35,879
Speaker 1: I mean it does happen with strangers, but I think

890
00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:38,839
Speaker 1: that there is this disproportionate representation in movies of it

891
00:54:38,920 --> 00:54:44,880
Speaker 1: happening from a stranger um and less often from characters

892
00:54:44,920 --> 00:54:48,399
Speaker 1: that the female character already knows. And I'm sure that

893
00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:53,560
Speaker 1: that has something to do with the discomfort with male

894
00:54:53,600 --> 00:54:57,279
Speaker 1: audience members seeing themselves or qualities of themselves in an

895
00:54:57,280 --> 00:55:00,120
Speaker 1: abusive character. And that's something I think it was. Was

896
00:55:00,160 --> 00:55:02,040
Speaker 1: it the Girl with the Dragon Tattoo episode where we

897
00:55:02,040 --> 00:55:05,920
Speaker 1: had like a conversation about that. And I'm not saying

898
00:55:05,960 --> 00:55:08,279
Speaker 1: that Jimmy is like a character that men will really

899
00:55:08,320 --> 00:55:10,760
Speaker 1: see themselves in because he is like a late nineties

900
00:55:10,840 --> 00:55:15,719
Speaker 1: goth Um, which is not super common any longer, but

901
00:55:15,840 --> 00:55:18,680
Speaker 1: it is, I don't know, just like setting the groundwork.

902
00:55:18,760 --> 00:55:22,800
Speaker 1: I think for what is a more common abusive relationship

903
00:55:22,960 --> 00:55:26,560
Speaker 1: than what we see in movies? A lot was uh

904
00:55:26,719 --> 00:55:30,880
Speaker 1: you know, points for sure, points you hinted at the

905
00:55:31,080 --> 00:55:38,279
Speaker 1: bonking of the head, the sacred bonking of the head. Uh. Well,

906
00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:40,319
Speaker 1: I'm glad you brought it up, because this is one

907
00:55:40,360 --> 00:55:43,480
Speaker 1: of many examples we see in a movie of a

908
00:55:43,520 --> 00:55:48,680
Speaker 1: woman using specifically a frying pan as a weapon. Um

909
00:55:48,920 --> 00:55:52,280
Speaker 1: it is, which is it is like a cartoon example. Yeah,

910
00:55:52,520 --> 00:55:55,839
Speaker 1: So right after they bring Jimmy back to life after

911
00:55:55,880 --> 00:55:59,680
Speaker 1: they've killed him the first time with poison, Um they

912
00:55:59,680 --> 00:56:04,040
Speaker 1: bring a back to life, he starts choking and attacking Jilly,

913
00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:09,920
Speaker 1: so Sally bonks him on the head with a skillet. Um.

914
00:56:09,960 --> 00:56:12,800
Speaker 1: You know, because women be using domestic items as weapons,

915
00:56:13,000 --> 00:56:15,600
Speaker 1: they never get their own weapons. But I was like you,

916
00:56:15,920 --> 00:56:19,080
Speaker 1: but you know, magic, like surely there's conjure up like

917
00:56:19,160 --> 00:56:22,319
Speaker 1: a thing to like make him go to sleep again

918
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:24,239
Speaker 1: or something. I don't know, but um, I know you're

919
00:56:24,320 --> 00:56:30,120
Speaker 1: totally right, Like is like that's another confusing use of

920
00:56:30,160 --> 00:56:33,560
Speaker 1: like it's implied that they can do infinity magic, but

921
00:56:33,640 --> 00:56:37,359
Speaker 1: they only do like heater real relationship magic, which is like,

922
00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:40,440
Speaker 1: come on, show me something else. Um. But I've been

923
00:56:40,480 --> 00:56:44,240
Speaker 1: I've been keeping a little tally of all the movies

924
00:56:44,280 --> 00:56:47,279
Speaker 1: that we see this very specific thing happening of a

925
00:56:47,320 --> 00:56:51,719
Speaker 1: woman bonking a man with a frying pan, Raiders of

926
00:56:51,800 --> 00:56:56,040
Speaker 1: the Last Art shuck a lot, um, yep, that happens.

927
00:56:56,040 --> 00:57:00,920
Speaker 1: I forgot about that. Who framed Roger Rabbit? Those are

928
00:57:00,920 --> 00:57:02,439
Speaker 1: the only ones I could think of off the top

929
00:57:02,480 --> 00:57:04,440
Speaker 1: of my head, But I know there are more, because

930
00:57:04,440 --> 00:57:07,960
Speaker 1: I know we've talked about others. But yeah, it's um,

931
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:11,200
Speaker 1: it's a trope that this movie did choose to subscribe to,

932
00:57:11,320 --> 00:57:14,480
Speaker 1: although they probably weren't even aware of that they were

933
00:57:14,480 --> 00:57:20,200
Speaker 1: doing it as they were writing it. But also, how

934
00:57:20,240 --> 00:57:24,560
Speaker 1: about that midnight Margarita scene? So much fun, iconic and

935
00:57:24,640 --> 00:57:28,080
Speaker 1: weird and every way it's so bizarre because it's sandwich

936
00:57:28,160 --> 00:57:35,840
Speaker 1: between two heavy scene. Yes, totally yes, weird and incongruous.

937
00:57:36,840 --> 00:57:40,000
Speaker 1: I don't we're alert sure that was a word even

938
00:57:40,160 --> 00:57:45,440
Speaker 1: that was it was adjacent to a word that was

939
00:57:45,520 --> 00:57:47,400
Speaker 1: like I could. I'm like, man, if you were like

940
00:57:47,440 --> 00:57:49,360
Speaker 1: the director of that movie, that'd be so hard because

941
00:57:49,400 --> 00:57:51,840
Speaker 1: you're like, hm, it doesn't fit. But I like it

942
00:57:51,960 --> 00:57:56,080
Speaker 1: so much. I guess just put it in wherever. I

943
00:57:56,200 --> 00:57:59,280
Speaker 1: just I love to see women having fun in a

944
00:57:59,360 --> 00:58:01,760
Speaker 1: movie because you don't see it that much. You don't

945
00:58:01,880 --> 00:58:06,080
Speaker 1: see women get to have fun, fun together. Yeah, so

946
00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:09,240
Speaker 1: it was really nice. But then they are being like,

947
00:58:09,280 --> 00:58:12,560
Speaker 1: you're a whitch, you're a slut. But then they do

948
00:58:12,640 --> 00:58:15,480
Speaker 1: you He's like when since when is being been a

949
00:58:15,520 --> 00:58:18,760
Speaker 1: crime in this family's right? Coming to the defense of

950
00:58:18,800 --> 00:58:24,200
Speaker 1: her sisters, like I'm we claiming the term, They're like alright,

951
00:58:25,040 --> 00:58:29,560
Speaker 1: uh yeah, no at this movie, uh, you know, unfortunately,

952
00:58:29,680 --> 00:58:31,560
Speaker 1: and in some ways I can understand it was not

953
00:58:31,800 --> 00:58:37,160
Speaker 1: very successful. Um, it did not make back its budget unfortunately,

954
00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:39,400
Speaker 1: which is you know, I mean, and and these are

955
00:58:39,440 --> 00:58:41,160
Speaker 1: big stars at this time, so I think it was

956
00:58:41,200 --> 00:58:43,439
Speaker 1: probably surprising that this movie didn't make its money back.

957
00:58:44,120 --> 00:58:46,560
Speaker 1: And a lot of the criticism around it at the

958
00:58:46,640 --> 00:58:51,240
Speaker 1: time was based around the tonal issues, which you know,

959
00:58:51,520 --> 00:58:55,760
Speaker 1: we can't deny them. So there wasn't even I mean

960
00:58:56,400 --> 00:59:00,520
Speaker 1: on the on the cursory check I did, because you know,

961
00:59:00,560 --> 00:59:02,840
Speaker 1: we like to go back and see how movies were

962
00:59:02,840 --> 00:59:05,320
Speaker 1: reviewed because there's a lot of the especially the further

963
00:59:05,320 --> 00:59:08,160
Speaker 1: bike you go. Most film critics are white guys, and

964
00:59:08,200 --> 00:59:10,640
Speaker 1: so when movies come out for anyone that isn't them,

965
00:59:10,720 --> 00:59:14,000
Speaker 1: they're like, hey, did it there? Or even just like

966
00:59:14,080 --> 00:59:18,360
Speaker 1: I liked it, but what I liked it, but like

967
00:59:18,440 --> 00:59:20,560
Speaker 1: I don't think it was written for me, and and

968
00:59:20,600 --> 00:59:22,640
Speaker 1: then be like I'm talking in a star it wasn't

969
00:59:22,640 --> 00:59:25,320
Speaker 1: made for me. Um, we're not as much of it.

970
00:59:25,320 --> 00:59:27,760
Speaker 1: They're most of the criticism around this movie surrounded the

971
00:59:28,240 --> 00:59:31,720
Speaker 1: tonal issues, which is a valid criticism, and they're like,

972
00:59:31,880 --> 00:59:34,280
Speaker 1: but Nicole Kidman and Sandra Book are great, would love

973
00:59:34,280 --> 00:59:38,600
Speaker 1: to see them in more movies, which I also agree with. Yeah, um,

974
00:59:38,640 --> 00:59:41,680
Speaker 1: just a couple of last things from me one other

975
00:59:41,920 --> 00:59:46,680
Speaker 1: film and Louise parallel both movies, and with either the

976
00:59:46,720 --> 00:59:52,720
Speaker 1: two women jumping off or driving off of a surface, Yeah,

977
00:59:53,120 --> 00:59:59,720
Speaker 1: one goes far better than the other. Yep, So that's

978
01:00:00,080 --> 01:00:07,480
Speaker 1: still little keeping much. And then finally, there is a

979
01:00:07,520 --> 01:00:10,760
Speaker 1: black cat that keeps popping up in the movie Do

980
01:00:10,800 --> 01:00:14,560
Speaker 1: You Talk about it. Well, it's just that cats have

981
01:00:14,680 --> 01:00:16,960
Speaker 1: eight nipples, and that's cat facts with Caitlin, but also

982
01:00:17,080 --> 01:00:21,200
Speaker 1: black cats there's still superstition around them. Black cats are

983
01:00:21,280 --> 01:00:25,720
Speaker 1: much harder to get adopted in like places like the

984
01:00:25,800 --> 01:00:28,000
Speaker 1: SPCA and stuff like that, because people still have a

985
01:00:28,000 --> 01:00:31,840
Speaker 1: superstition around black cats. Can I tell you something? Yes? Please?

986
01:00:32,080 --> 01:00:34,440
Speaker 1: Two years after this movie was released, when I was

987
01:00:34,440 --> 01:00:37,960
Speaker 1: seven years old, I adopted a black cat and he

988
01:00:38,080 --> 01:00:41,280
Speaker 1: lived for fifteen years and he was really mean, always mean.

989
01:00:42,040 --> 01:00:45,480
Speaker 1: He loves me, probably had a curse on him. He

990
01:00:45,640 --> 01:00:48,680
Speaker 1: was no he was taught much like my current pet.

991
01:00:48,720 --> 01:00:54,800
Speaker 1: He was very into toxically performing his gender. But you know,

992
01:00:55,000 --> 01:00:57,360
Speaker 1: r I p the cat. We tried to give him

993
01:00:57,400 --> 01:01:01,120
Speaker 1: a name, but he was just here the cat. My

994
01:01:01,240 --> 01:01:06,440
Speaker 1: roommate has a black cat right now. So positive representation

995
01:01:06,760 --> 01:01:08,880
Speaker 1: of black cats and movies, and this movie does it.

996
01:01:09,080 --> 01:01:12,520
Speaker 1: So I would say it's pretty neutral that the cat

997
01:01:12,640 --> 01:01:15,320
Speaker 1: isn't as much of a character as it should be.

998
01:01:16,040 --> 01:01:19,720
Speaker 1: It doesn't speak like Salem, And that was actually a

999
01:01:19,760 --> 01:01:22,920
Speaker 1: really stupid creative decision. Why wasn't the cat a puppet?

1000
01:01:23,680 --> 01:01:26,959
Speaker 1: Wasn't the frog a puppet? Erasure? Alfred will init should

1001
01:01:26,960 --> 01:01:32,040
Speaker 1: have played the frog. It was just a grown man

1002
01:01:32,120 --> 01:01:36,160
Speaker 1: in a frog suit. Like but I just found out

1003
01:01:36,160 --> 01:01:40,880
Speaker 1: today that Paddington on ice. I'm very excited for you

1004
01:01:41,480 --> 01:01:45,160
Speaker 1: in London. Go back. I can't afford that. You know,

1005
01:01:45,400 --> 01:01:50,200
Speaker 1: you have sledge costs. They're Anastasia is happening near us

1006
01:01:50,280 --> 01:01:52,480
Speaker 1: for the next couple of weeks. Ice are just regular

1007
01:01:52,640 --> 01:01:55,960
Speaker 1: wish on ice, just on regular but still pretty cool.

1008
01:01:57,000 --> 01:01:59,320
Speaker 1: Talk to me when it's on a slippery surface. I

1009
01:01:59,360 --> 01:02:01,960
Speaker 1: saw Anna's Asia on ice as a kid. I remember

1010
01:02:02,320 --> 01:02:08,120
Speaker 1: the wig, the raspute and Beard kept flying. Oh it

1011
01:02:08,280 --> 01:02:13,240
Speaker 1: was great. I love ice shows. Okay, let's do Anitania again.

1012
01:02:16,120 --> 01:02:22,400
Speaker 1: Well that's practical magic everyone. Yes, this was so fun. Yeah.

1013
01:02:22,560 --> 01:02:25,720
Speaker 1: So if you like the style of this episode, you'll

1014
01:02:25,760 --> 01:02:30,400
Speaker 1: love our matreon. Yeah this is literally the matreon is horizontal,

1015
01:02:31,200 --> 01:02:33,640
Speaker 1: the main feet is vertical, and that's just kind of

1016
01:02:33,640 --> 01:02:37,560
Speaker 1: the difference exactly. Um yeah, thank you so much for

1017
01:02:37,800 --> 01:02:40,360
Speaker 1: uh for a wait, we have to do a bunch

1018
01:02:40,360 --> 01:02:42,120
Speaker 1: of stuff. I forgot how our show. I was literally

1019
01:02:42,120 --> 01:02:45,880
Speaker 1: looking at prices for tickets on Anasthesia rate a sec.

1020
01:02:50,240 --> 01:02:53,400
Speaker 1: Does this movie pass the Bechdel tests? Yes, it does,

1021
01:02:53,600 --> 01:02:56,400
Speaker 1: it does. It does pretty handling a lot between a

1022
01:02:56,400 --> 01:03:00,520
Speaker 1: lot of different characters. Yeah, there's sometimes like again, like

1023
01:03:00,560 --> 01:03:02,760
Speaker 1: we are always sort of like a movie to movie

1024
01:03:02,760 --> 01:03:05,920
Speaker 1: in terms of cont the subcontext being about a man,

1025
01:03:05,960 --> 01:03:07,440
Speaker 1: because a lot of times they're talking about how to

1026
01:03:07,760 --> 01:03:10,440
Speaker 1: cover up a murder, but of a man. But I

1027
01:03:10,480 --> 01:03:13,840
Speaker 1: found like the murder of a man who passes right

1028
01:03:14,640 --> 01:03:18,080
Speaker 1: inherently yes, yes, but even so there I mean before

1029
01:03:18,200 --> 01:03:21,320
Speaker 1: the man enters the picture. But also like it's like, yeah,

1030
01:03:21,320 --> 01:03:23,840
Speaker 1: we did cast that spell on you so that you'd

1031
01:03:23,880 --> 01:03:28,000
Speaker 1: fall in love with the fruit vendor. I just don't. Yeah,

1032
01:03:28,080 --> 01:03:31,040
Speaker 1: but there's still there are there are lots of conversations

1033
01:03:31,080 --> 01:03:33,840
Speaker 1: that pass. In fact, um, I don't know if two

1034
01:03:33,920 --> 01:03:36,480
Speaker 1: men talk to each other in this entire movie. Oh

1035
01:03:36,560 --> 01:03:38,959
Speaker 1: that's a good question. I don't. I don't. I can't

1036
01:03:39,040 --> 01:03:42,040
Speaker 1: think of an example of it happening. And if so,

1037
01:03:42,160 --> 01:03:44,880
Speaker 1: it's how we normally see the movie pass the backtel test,

1038
01:03:44,880 --> 01:03:48,240
Speaker 1: where it's very kind of inconsequential and in passing for sure.

1039
01:03:48,680 --> 01:03:53,640
Speaker 1: So there you goddamn go. So we've got our nipple

1040
01:03:53,680 --> 01:03:56,280
Speaker 1: scale of course, zero to five nipples. Based on its

1041
01:03:56,320 --> 01:04:02,360
Speaker 1: representation of women. I feel like this one probably gets

1042
01:04:04,240 --> 01:04:09,320
Speaker 1: I'm tempted to give it a three, maybe even a

1043
01:04:09,480 --> 01:04:13,360
Speaker 1: three and a half. Obviously it gets some nipples docked

1044
01:04:13,400 --> 01:04:20,440
Speaker 1: for it being guilty of only featuring cis hit white women. Yes, yes,

1045
01:04:20,720 --> 01:04:24,920
Speaker 1: so there's that issue that it's which is the issue

1046
01:04:24,920 --> 01:04:28,040
Speaker 1: of this era into today. But this movie is like,

1047
01:04:28,400 --> 01:04:32,520
Speaker 1: especially given the subject matter, um, and the tendency of

1048
01:04:32,560 --> 01:04:37,280
Speaker 1: this genre to completely exclude anyone that isn't a straight

1049
01:04:37,440 --> 01:04:43,040
Speaker 1: hot white lady. Right. Um. I do enjoy a lot

1050
01:04:43,080 --> 01:04:46,000
Speaker 1: of things about the movie though, again that it is

1051
01:04:46,280 --> 01:04:50,680
Speaker 1: largely about women supporting women. Um. They they do have

1052
01:04:50,760 --> 01:04:55,160
Speaker 1: to support each other about things relating to men. But

1053
01:04:55,560 --> 01:04:57,200
Speaker 1: that I mean that the scene at the end with

1054
01:04:57,240 --> 01:05:00,000
Speaker 1: the coven coming together all the women who had preview

1055
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:02,040
Speaker 1: to sleep in like, which, which, you're a bitch, and

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Speaker 1: they're like, actually, I wanted to see the inside of

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Speaker 1: your really cool house, so I'll come over and help

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Speaker 1: help you sweep out the dust of this shitty man. Um.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, maybe I'll give it. I'll split the diff

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Speaker 1: I'll give it a three point to five that thank you,

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Speaker 1: and I'll give one nip to Sandy Bee, I'll give

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Speaker 1: one nip to Nikki Kay and my other one point

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Speaker 1: to five nips I will give to the little Black

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Speaker 1: Katy who we see first as a kitten and then

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Speaker 1: we see you as an adult cat. And I don't

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Speaker 1: know if we ever learned its name, but it's super cute.

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Speaker 1: So I'm I'm gonna go. I think it is the

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Speaker 1: same thing with three feels to allow. Three by five

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Speaker 1: feels too high. I'm gonna follow your lead, my sister,

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Speaker 1: which um and go three point to five. I think

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Speaker 1: four it's time. It gets kind of a surprising amount, right.

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Speaker 1: I like the relationships between women in this movie. I

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Speaker 1: like the trust and support even when it comes to murder. Um. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: And and that you see, even though we've discussed in

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Speaker 1: terms of Hollywood, we don't see a lot of different

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Speaker 1: types of women physically, but but personality wise, there is

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Speaker 1: a lot of different approaches to life, and no one

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Speaker 1: has really except with the kind of subtle things towards

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Speaker 1: Nicole Kidman's character. Um, they're generally treated with respect even

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Speaker 1: though they're making very different life and lifestyle choices, which

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Speaker 1: is really fun. I again think that the stuff with

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Speaker 1: the abusive relationship was done more right than you would

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Speaker 1: expect kind of campy movie to do, and it's a

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Speaker 1: fun watch. The line in the coconut scene. I say,

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Speaker 1: cut Aidan Quinn and put the line in the coconut

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Speaker 1: scene in it twice. Um. Yeah, it's a fun movie

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Speaker 1: and I you know, everyone should watch it if they

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Speaker 1: haven't seen it. I'll do three point to five and

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Speaker 1: I'll give one to Sandy, one to Nikki, one to

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Speaker 1: Evan rachel Wood, and uh point to five to the

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Speaker 1: Froggy who should have been all for Millina, who should

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Speaker 1: have been out for Billina. But Alfred was called and

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Speaker 1: he was like, I don't want to take apart from

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Speaker 1: a frog. And we're like, he's a here, what was

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Speaker 1: he doing? I thank you for I was like it

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Speaker 1: would be too much, thank you for carrying up. I

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Speaker 1: don't know, let's see, let's say it alf b. He's

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Speaker 1: right now. He's probably like, how am I going to

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Speaker 1: promote Frozen two? He's coming off of that boogie Night's heat.

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Speaker 1: He could have been filming for either Agnolia or Deadly

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Speaker 1: Do right to totally identical movies. Anyways. Yeah, that's the

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Speaker 1: episode on Practical Magic. Everyone, damn right it is. Thanks

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Speaker 1: have a live Becktel Cash show on the seventeen, covering

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