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Speaker 1: Welcome to All the Smoke, a production of The Black

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Speaker 1: Effect and our Heart Radio and partnership with Showtime. Welcome

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Speaker 1: back Man, season two of All the Smoke. We got

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Speaker 1: a real special guys, what's up with your Brode with

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Speaker 1: the virtual handshake? I'm gonna tell you I never told

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Speaker 1: him back. I want to welcome back to another edition

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Speaker 1: of All the Smoke. We got a very special guest today. Man,

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Speaker 1: one of my favorite players in the league right now,

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Speaker 1: the number one, if not one of the top, if

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Speaker 1: not number one. I think it's between him and uh

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Speaker 1: Kiddle out in San Francisco. Man, But welcome Travis Kelsey

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Speaker 1: to the show. Super Bowl Champ. Yeah, he has a

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl Champ, So you gotta give him the title

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Speaker 1: right now. Man. You know it always makes it make

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Speaker 1: it sound like I did something in life and you

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Speaker 1: put that tank, you put you put that title on

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Speaker 1: the end now, but you definitely put in work. So

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Speaker 1: tell us what present day life is. You know, wherever

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Speaker 1: the world saw the NBA bubble, this success, uh, the

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Speaker 1: NFL obviously chose not to go with the bubble, and

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Speaker 1: there's been some canceled games, there's been some played games.

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Speaker 1: Guys have caught it. Guys have got over it. Um.

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Speaker 1: Adam Silvers had a while back the commission the NBA.

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Speaker 1: We're just gonna have to learn how to live with this,

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Speaker 1: and it kind of seems like that's what the NFL

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Speaker 1: is doing, just you know, learning on the fly. Yeah. Well,

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Speaker 1: first of all, I just want to say I appreciate

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Speaker 1: you guys having me on. Man. I'm a big fan

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Speaker 1: of the show. A lot of the conversations you have

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Speaker 1: man have been inspiring as well as you know what

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Speaker 1: I mean, informative man. And yeah, to to talk about

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Speaker 1: the NFL and what's going on with life right now. Man,

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Speaker 1: it's just to to work into the house. That's really

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Speaker 1: my entire, my entire routine right there. I just go

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Speaker 1: to the facility and come back home. I'm fortunate that

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Speaker 1: I got a lot of people, um to help me

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Speaker 1: out around the city, um, around the around the house,

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Speaker 1: to make sure that I'm you know what I mean,

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Speaker 1: I'm I got an unbelievable chef. Uh. That's going to

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Speaker 1: the grocery store and making sure that you know what

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm getting my nutrition and stuff like that,

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Speaker 1: and uh, everybody's just being accountable and that's what exactly

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Speaker 1: what you were saying about the commission, um, mentioning that

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Speaker 1: it's you know, we're gonna kind of have to live

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Speaker 1: with this for a little bit, um and try and

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Speaker 1: make things work. And uh, I'm just I'm just proud

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Speaker 1: of the NFL. I think right now it's been a

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Speaker 1: very successful season. I mean, of course there's been the hiccups, um,

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Speaker 1: but we all knew that was gonna happen. Man. It's

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Speaker 1: just uh, everybody being accountable and what they're doing. And

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Speaker 1: it's not just you know, in in the house and

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Speaker 1: in the in the facility. Uh, one mistake could could

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Speaker 1: screw up everybody's a chance to you know, earn their

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Speaker 1: paychecks in the NFL this year. So everybody just just

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Speaker 1: gotta keep maintaining what we're doing. Man. What's the hardest

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Speaker 1: part about all this if there is one? Obviously, you

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Speaker 1: know you worked to the house and normally that's low

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Speaker 1: key how it is during the season. But what's kind

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Speaker 1: now that it has to be so strict. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: think the biggest thing is, um is balancing out the

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Speaker 1: time with the family, the time with the friends. Uh,

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Speaker 1: making sure you're still maintaining somewhat some distance, uh, knowing

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Speaker 1: that anybody could could have this virus and not show it.

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Speaker 1: Um And and you know, even though we are getting

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Speaker 1: test sometimes it takes longer for for somebody to show

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Speaker 1: up on the test, you know. And there's there's so

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Speaker 1: many different variables to to you know, the equation of

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Speaker 1: what it's doing is it's kind of making me be

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Speaker 1: stand offish with the family and the friends, and it's

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Speaker 1: that's the worst thing. That's the worst thing that that

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Speaker 1: I could I could do because I'm such a family guy,

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Speaker 1: I ended up grabbing a suite at Arrowhead because I

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Speaker 1: you know what, it's just, it's it's not that right

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Speaker 1: now this year. And it's definitely a different field going

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Speaker 1: do you think about the current climate of America right now? Honestly,

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Speaker 1: it's bringing the problem to life to everybody. And you

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Speaker 1: kind of I hate to say, but that's kind of

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Speaker 1: how um, white America is gonna have to have to

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Speaker 1: on that that you know, a lot of people have

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Speaker 1: it's calling out the bs. It's seeing wrong and calling

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Speaker 1: And I'm sure enough. I think the world is a

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Speaker 1: and I think it's uh, it's going to continue to

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Speaker 1: and what's right is right, man. I think at the

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Speaker 1: like you said the same thing with how NFL players

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Speaker 1: we're holding everybody accountable now. Anybody that stands on the

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Speaker 1: I think it's been unbelievable in the NFL is that, um,

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Speaker 1: you know, it's becoming a huge discussion. I believe every

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Speaker 1: it's a big problem with them killing black people, but

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Speaker 1: across social media, talking amongst you, Yeah, you're talking amongst

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Speaker 1: That's a real look in the mirror, UM being being

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Speaker 1: you know, being being a white star athlete with the platform.

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Speaker 1: What are some of the stuff you're trying to do?

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Speaker 1: Tell us about that. Yeah, no, I think it's UM

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Speaker 1: it's a part of I don't want to say it's

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Speaker 1: just I've always I've always had the mentality as the

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Speaker 1: mentality my father gave me as a kid. In the

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Speaker 1: father being being an American black man, Irish and black

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Speaker 1: a cool unique that's just one of my friends. I Mean,

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Speaker 1: it just goes, it goes on, and UM, it's so

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Speaker 1: their culture, UM and and and the and how beautiful

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Speaker 1: your back every single night knowing that, hey, ship, this

430
00:19:31,720 --> 00:19:33,479
Speaker 1: team is only one one or two games in the division,

431
00:19:33,520 --> 00:19:34,960
Speaker 1: but they know they're playing us. You know, I got

432
00:19:34,960 --> 00:19:36,399
Speaker 1: a chance to play on a Warrior team that was

433
00:19:36,440 --> 00:19:38,359
Speaker 1: like that. No matter who we played every night, we

434
00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:40,760
Speaker 1: got their best effort. What is it like now having

435
00:19:40,760 --> 00:19:43,800
Speaker 1: to carry that target on your back? Um? To be honest,

436
00:19:43,840 --> 00:19:46,800
Speaker 1: I don't I don't feel too much of the pressure

437
00:19:46,880 --> 00:19:49,720
Speaker 1: of of living up to being a super Bowl champion.

438
00:19:49,760 --> 00:19:52,280
Speaker 1: Like in that respect, I feel like, if anything, the

439
00:19:52,320 --> 00:19:54,680
Speaker 1: Super Bowl just gave us confidence that Yeah, this is us,

440
00:19:55,040 --> 00:19:58,680
Speaker 1: this is who we are, this is what we do. Um.

441
00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:01,359
Speaker 1: I thought the loss to the way we lost to

442
00:20:01,440 --> 00:20:04,159
Speaker 1: New England, everybody knew we were we were gonna be

443
00:20:04,800 --> 00:20:07,280
Speaker 1: a good football team. Everybody knew that they had to

444
00:20:07,320 --> 00:20:10,159
Speaker 1: bring their a game to beat US, um, because we

445
00:20:10,160 --> 00:20:12,080
Speaker 1: were one play away from being in the Super Bowl.

446
00:20:12,520 --> 00:20:15,600
Speaker 1: And UM, I think you know, as as as the

447
00:20:15,600 --> 00:20:18,960
Speaker 1: season goes on, UM, you get more focused on on

448
00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:21,640
Speaker 1: the little things and you try and you know, perfect

449
00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:25,920
Speaker 1: the weaknesses and and and and strengthen everything that you're

450
00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:28,160
Speaker 1: doing positively in the game. And it's just, uh, it's

451
00:20:28,160 --> 00:20:31,199
Speaker 1: a NonStop battle to better yourself. So you just have

452
00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:33,200
Speaker 1: to have that mentality and know that you know, this

453
00:20:33,240 --> 00:20:35,119
Speaker 1: is this is this is what we do. Is I

454
00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:37,359
Speaker 1: go out here and I play football and uh and

455
00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:40,480
Speaker 1: I played to with with these guys next to me too,

456
00:20:41,280 --> 00:20:43,320
Speaker 1: to a level that you know, I feel like we

457
00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:46,280
Speaker 1: have the advantage and and and that's just the mentality

458
00:20:46,280 --> 00:20:48,480
Speaker 1: that you have to have going into a games. Have

459
00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:51,440
Speaker 1: been adding le beyond bell on to the phone. Oh man,

460
00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:54,720
Speaker 1: it's a I don't know how our GM keeps pulling

461
00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:58,200
Speaker 1: a rabbit out the hat just making stuff happen. Man,

462
00:20:58,240 --> 00:21:01,359
Speaker 1: But uh, left Bell is and unbelievable since he's been

463
00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:03,800
Speaker 1: in the building. Man, you want to talk about being

464
00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:06,280
Speaker 1: kind of stuck in the routine of things, And I'm

465
00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:08,240
Speaker 1: not saying it's still early in the year. And everything,

466
00:21:08,280 --> 00:21:10,440
Speaker 1: But you can get caught up in just coming into

467
00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:13,200
Speaker 1: working and seeing the same faces when he came in,

468
00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:16,359
Speaker 1: and it's just a different jolta energy. He came in

469
00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:18,720
Speaker 1: ready to work, ready to ready to figure out this

470
00:21:18,800 --> 00:21:20,720
Speaker 1: offense so that he can make an impact right away

471
00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:24,280
Speaker 1: because he's excited to be in a winning football or

472
00:21:24,520 --> 00:21:27,320
Speaker 1: or at least a program that you know what I mean,

473
00:21:27,560 --> 00:21:34,479
Speaker 1: can explore the right winning said it right, winning football,

474
00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:36,680
Speaker 1: I mean that ship. You gotta think he's extra fresh too,

475
00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:39,480
Speaker 1: you know, with an injury injury plague season and then

476
00:21:39,520 --> 00:21:42,440
Speaker 1: not really playing that much. To me, he probably has

477
00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:44,800
Speaker 1: something something to prove to himself and to everyone else.

478
00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:46,480
Speaker 1: Like you know, don't forget that I was the best

479
00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:49,200
Speaker 1: running back in this league before I went to before

480
00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:50,680
Speaker 1: I went to the Jets, you know what I mean.

481
00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:52,440
Speaker 1: So you know you said it absolutely right. I think

482
00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:54,840
Speaker 1: that kind of you know, that's like going to the Spurs,

483
00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:56,760
Speaker 1: are going to the Warriors, are going to the Lakers.

484
00:21:56,840 --> 00:21:58,399
Speaker 1: When you you know, when you have a chance to

485
00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:01,240
Speaker 1: go from the from the gutter to the penthouse, you

486
00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:03,840
Speaker 1: want to raise your focus, the level of your game

487
00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:06,720
Speaker 1: everything you possibly can, because you know, you want to

488
00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:08,720
Speaker 1: be a small part of something great, and I think

489
00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:11,720
Speaker 1: it's a unique opportunity for him to be who he is.

490
00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:14,520
Speaker 1: And like you said, come to a team like your guys.

491
00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:17,080
Speaker 1: That ship is crazy, man. It's just just up to

492
00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:19,800
Speaker 1: Andy Man. Just take it to a hunother level. And uh,

493
00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:21,840
Speaker 1: I was talking about his energy, and you can see

494
00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:24,320
Speaker 1: in the first walk through how he's jumping around and

495
00:22:24,359 --> 00:22:26,800
Speaker 1: he's got almost what looks like fresh legs. I don't

496
00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:28,400
Speaker 1: know how much he was running over there in New York,

497
00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:30,520
Speaker 1: but it looks like he's got fresh legs. Like he

498
00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:32,439
Speaker 1: like he's a young dude all over again and just

499
00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:34,280
Speaker 1: ready to get after it. And I mean that kind

500
00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:36,600
Speaker 1: of energy is infectious, you know what I mean. When

501
00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:38,280
Speaker 1: you see a guy with high energy, man, you want

502
00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:40,000
Speaker 1: to play to that level and you want to meet

503
00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:42,800
Speaker 1: that level. And because because um it is what it is.

504
00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:44,840
Speaker 1: When you when you're playing one of the best teams

505
00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:47,399
Speaker 1: in the National Football League and you see that they're ready,

506
00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:50,720
Speaker 1: you see that energy pregame, you see them coming off

507
00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:52,840
Speaker 1: the ball early in the game, you know it's gonna

508
00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:55,080
Speaker 1: be a dog fight. And a lot of guys get

509
00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:57,560
Speaker 1: a little uncomfortable in that dog fight when they see

510
00:22:57,560 --> 00:23:00,360
Speaker 1: that other teams don't bring it and and and it's

511
00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:02,639
Speaker 1: the top dog with it. So it's just it's a

512
00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:05,359
Speaker 1: mentality to just bring it every single day and have

513
00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:08,359
Speaker 1: that have that grit, have that dog, and you uh

514
00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:10,840
Speaker 1: to go get it. Man. I think as an athlete

515
00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:14,240
Speaker 1: is no better feeling than knowing you got guys and

516
00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:17,400
Speaker 1: how many of your teammates you have that taking this serious.

517
00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:19,360
Speaker 1: You know you you got you got you, You got

518
00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:21,320
Speaker 1: guys that come out here and ready to do the job.

519
00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:23,800
Speaker 1: Everybody on the same page. Everybody have the same goal

520
00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:25,520
Speaker 1: to win. And when you get on the team like

521
00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:28,000
Speaker 1: that when I went to the Spurs, the feeling up winning,

522
00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:30,840
Speaker 1: the feeling up, the feeling up, everybody taking their role

523
00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:33,480
Speaker 1: serious and all having the same common goal to win

524
00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:35,919
Speaker 1: a championship. That is contagious, bro, And I know he

525
00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:39,520
Speaker 1: feels that walking in that locker room. M hmm. It's

526
00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:42,360
Speaker 1: like you said, it's contagious, man, It's contagious. And when

527
00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:44,159
Speaker 1: and when you when it really means something to you,

528
00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:45,840
Speaker 1: that's when you can take it to the new level.

529
00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:47,800
Speaker 1: And it means something to him right now. You can

530
00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:52,960
Speaker 1: see in the way he works. Yea. So Westlake boy,

531
00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:57,160
Speaker 1: Westlake Ohio A three parts three excuse me, A three

532
00:23:57,160 --> 00:24:01,200
Speaker 1: sports star in high school football, baseball, basketball. I played

533
00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:03,320
Speaker 1: everything is well going through high school. When did you

534
00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:06,000
Speaker 1: decide to or did you play everything up until your

535
00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:07,760
Speaker 1: senior year when you had to start trying to pick

536
00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:10,680
Speaker 1: what you're gonna do next? Oh? Yeah, So first, so

537
00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:13,200
Speaker 1: I got a funny story about Westlake, Ohio. I'm from

538
00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:16,359
Speaker 1: Cleveland Heights, Ohio. Uh. When I took, I took going

539
00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:18,520
Speaker 1: into the NFL so serious that I thought when it.

540
00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:21,520
Speaker 1: When I was filling out the form for the NFL

541
00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:23,720
Speaker 1: dot com stuff, I thought that I had to put

542
00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:26,000
Speaker 1: where I was, like the hospital I was born in.

543
00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:29,760
Speaker 1: So I put Westland Hospital. I thought it. Well, I

544
00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:35,720
Speaker 1: thought they wanted the government government. So that's how that's

545
00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:38,840
Speaker 1: how silly I am. But I um, I'm from Cleveland Heights, Ohio,

546
00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:41,560
Speaker 1: and they just put Westlake up there. So when they

547
00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:43,159
Speaker 1: shout out to west Lake and everybody, but I'm from

548
00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:45,680
Speaker 1: the east out of Cleveland. Uh. To ask you a question, though, man,

549
00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:48,520
Speaker 1: I still, I still I wish I could find my

550
00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:50,879
Speaker 1: way down to an NBA team for a quick fifteen

551
00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:56,200
Speaker 1: days ten days. Yeah, I love hoops. I'm actually wearing

552
00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:57,640
Speaker 1: the old school. I don't know if you guys were

553
00:24:57,640 --> 00:25:02,640
Speaker 1: part of the old school Gatorade, hoop it up back

554
00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:04,399
Speaker 1: in the day, back in the day, that was that

555
00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:07,080
Speaker 1: was life right there. UM. But for me growing up,

556
00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:10,280
Speaker 1: growing up, I played every single sport, uh you could

557
00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:12,560
Speaker 1: think of. Man, I was going from hockey practice to

558
00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:15,920
Speaker 1: basketball practice when I was in like fourth fifth grade. UM,

559
00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:19,919
Speaker 1: I was playing baseball just about year around, hockey year around,

560
00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:23,359
Speaker 1: soccer year round. Um. And and when it got to

561
00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:25,199
Speaker 1: high school, that's when I really had to, you know,

562
00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:28,280
Speaker 1: narrow it down. And UM, I wasn't sure exactly what

563
00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:30,639
Speaker 1: I was gonna do. I knew I knew my school

564
00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:33,080
Speaker 1: was was more tailored to a basketball school, as we

565
00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:36,040
Speaker 1: had one state uh in nineties seven, um and had

566
00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:38,400
Speaker 1: a good track record that guys going to college for free,

567
00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:41,080
Speaker 1: UH playing playing hoops. And you know that was something

568
00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:44,639
Speaker 1: I knew. You know, my grades weren't the best, My

569
00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:46,680
Speaker 1: effort in the classroom wasn't the best, So I knew

570
00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:49,240
Speaker 1: I had to, you know, sale somewhere else if I

571
00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:51,080
Speaker 1: wanted to go to college for free. So it was,

572
00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:53,919
Speaker 1: um it was definitely a basketball football were the main

573
00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:57,679
Speaker 1: two in high school. UM and UH I. I just

574
00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:01,040
Speaker 1: I had more offers, uh and and and it just

575
00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:03,719
Speaker 1: felt more comfortable for me to stick with football. Even

576
00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:05,760
Speaker 1: though I did go to Cincinnati to play both football

577
00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:10,000
Speaker 1: and basketball, Um, I never saw the court. I practiced

578
00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:12,160
Speaker 1: a few times and got and got in a few

579
00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:15,919
Speaker 1: summer games. But outside of that, man you, um, you

580
00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:17,680
Speaker 1: only saw me cheering for the hoop squad. But I

581
00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:20,440
Speaker 1: think it was it was. It was an easy transition

582
00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:23,560
Speaker 1: because I initially went to college for to play quarterback.

583
00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:26,480
Speaker 1: So I went to University of Sinnaight to play QB.

584
00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:29,600
Speaker 1: And my first my first year of red shirted. Second year,

585
00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:32,879
Speaker 1: our coach Bryan Kelly, who's that Notre Dame now had

586
00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:35,840
Speaker 1: a package for me, um that to be the Wildcat,

587
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:38,440
Speaker 1: And man I did when I tell you, he came

588
00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:40,840
Speaker 1: up with this the week before our first game, all

589
00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:43,880
Speaker 1: training camp, two days nothing. I'm just trying to work

590
00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:45,760
Speaker 1: on my three step with my three step game, right

591
00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:48,040
Speaker 1: like I'm a rookie, like I'm a freshman, fresh meeting

592
00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:51,280
Speaker 1: in the pocket. And sure enough he puts this this

593
00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:53,960
Speaker 1: package together and wants me to straight run the ball.

594
00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:58,160
Speaker 1: And the game came around. We went up I think

595
00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:00,520
Speaker 1: like two scores and the third time into the red zone.

596
00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:03,080
Speaker 1: He threw me in there, and I'm I'm in my mind,

597
00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:05,159
Speaker 1: I'm like, he's not even gonna call this, and he

598
00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:08,119
Speaker 1: throws me in there, and I remember being so scared.

599
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:10,320
Speaker 1: My brother is actually playing left guard at this point,

600
00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:13,320
Speaker 1: which is which is ironic because he's he's lead blocking

601
00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:16,280
Speaker 1: for me. So I'm catching the snap. I'm catching the snap,

602
00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:18,400
Speaker 1: reading the defenders, and I'm like, in my mind, I'm

603
00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:21,640
Speaker 1: I'm not even I'm handing this thing off the first time.

604
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:23,240
Speaker 1: I'm just letting a round. I'm like, hey, I'm in

605
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:27,040
Speaker 1: this thing. I'm a freshman in this uh, in this

606
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:29,320
Speaker 1: college football game like I always dreamed of. And man,

607
00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:30,879
Speaker 1: it just didn't feel like I was ready for the

608
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:33,440
Speaker 1: moment um. And then once I got my feet wet

609
00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:35,080
Speaker 1: for one play, man, I was ready. I was like,

610
00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:36,919
Speaker 1: all right, I can do this. I can do this.

611
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:39,200
Speaker 1: I I see how everything kind of just slowed down

612
00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:42,040
Speaker 1: a little bit, and uh, and that's when I really, uh,

613
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:45,480
Speaker 1: I really felt that I could take the game, um

614
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:47,960
Speaker 1: and turning into something you know that I could I

615
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:50,160
Speaker 1: could do for the rest of my life. Um, Because

616
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:52,360
Speaker 1: everything once once it all slowed down and I could

617
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:56,320
Speaker 1: get into the zone. UM, I had the confidence to

618
00:27:56,359 --> 00:28:00,000
Speaker 1: be able to just play instinctually. UM, and I made

619
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:03,320
Speaker 1: the I made the transition into into into the tight

620
00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:07,200
Speaker 1: end room. UM naturally so so because I was doing

621
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:09,080
Speaker 1: the wildcast stuff, the coach wanted me to kind of

622
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:11,439
Speaker 1: be on the field so that we can when you

623
00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:17,160
Speaker 1: sell players in and out in football, the official actually waits. Uh,

624
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:19,520
Speaker 1: the offense can't snap the ball until the defense. You

625
00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:22,640
Speaker 1: give the defense time to switch their personnel. So if

626
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:25,880
Speaker 1: you keep a certain personnel on the field, Um, they

627
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:28,120
Speaker 1: have to keep their personnel on the field. So it's

628
00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:30,080
Speaker 1: just it's one of those things where he wanted me

629
00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:31,440
Speaker 1: on the field so they could stay in a certain

630
00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:33,720
Speaker 1: personnel so that I could run the ball as well.

631
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:36,280
Speaker 1: But Uh, doing that meant that I had to play

632
00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:38,800
Speaker 1: a little bit of tight end. And the success I

633
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:41,360
Speaker 1: found with tight end, man, it just it it took

634
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:44,040
Speaker 1: off in college. And uh, you know, I've just been

635
00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:46,040
Speaker 1: so grateful that I got the opportunity at such a

636
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:49,720
Speaker 1: young age, or I didn't wait till later in my

637
00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:52,720
Speaker 1: college career to make the transition. Um, it was just

638
00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:55,080
Speaker 1: it was something that that, UM, I really found a

639
00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:57,080
Speaker 1: love for the game when I when I moved to

640
00:28:57,080 --> 00:28:59,920
Speaker 1: tight end. How big were you at the time when

641
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:02,200
Speaker 1: you were playing the wildcat quarterback coming out of high school?

642
00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:04,320
Speaker 1: I was a big dude. Now, I told you I

643
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:07,400
Speaker 1: read shirted. Man, it was once you I feel like

644
00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:09,800
Speaker 1: once you read shirt as as in college, man, it

645
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:13,840
Speaker 1: just turned into the party central man. I wasn't I

646
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:16,400
Speaker 1: wasn't taking the workouts too seriously and it ended up

647
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:18,160
Speaker 1: hurting me a little bit going into training camp. I

648
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:20,640
Speaker 1: wasn't ready for it, and going into training camp next year,

649
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:23,360
Speaker 1: but I was still about six five to fifty to

650
00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:27,280
Speaker 1: fifty five. I've always been I've always been a pretty

651
00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:30,280
Speaker 1: big quarterback. I went into my freshman year of college

652
00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:33,719
Speaker 1: at about two thirty five. Okay, So I was always

653
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:36,800
Speaker 1: a little bit on the hilthy side to make that decision.

654
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:40,040
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, quarterbacks as probably the most privative

655
00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:42,880
Speaker 1: position on the football field, and then going to tight end.

656
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:45,080
Speaker 1: You know you're not You're not the star as they

657
00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:47,320
Speaker 1: would say on the football field. But how did how

658
00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:48,920
Speaker 1: long did it take you to make the decision to

659
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:50,680
Speaker 1: go to tight end? Like was it just instant soon

660
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:53,640
Speaker 1: as you had success? Well, I was always I was

661
00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:57,360
Speaker 1: always kind of in between the two. Um. You know,

662
00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:01,920
Speaker 1: I love the physical, ay is the tight end position, uh,

663
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:04,040
Speaker 1: the football position. That's why I like running the ball

664
00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:06,240
Speaker 1: so much at quarterback, or I like I loved running

665
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:07,920
Speaker 1: the ball so much a quarterback was because I could

666
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:10,320
Speaker 1: lower my shoulder on somebody and get an extra few yards.

667
00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:13,600
Speaker 1: And when I when I had I turned that mentality

668
00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:15,600
Speaker 1: into being a tight end one, I realized, I gotta

669
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:17,520
Speaker 1: hit the weight room. My body can't be taking all

670
00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:19,480
Speaker 1: these hits like this, and I gotta be able to

671
00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:22,040
Speaker 1: be stronger up top. Uh. And then the legs to

672
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:24,040
Speaker 1: be able to block these d ns that are two

673
00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:27,600
Speaker 1: d seventy eighty pounds. Um. So it was a complete

674
00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:31,320
Speaker 1: change of mentality um to sitting up in a pocket.

675
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:35,160
Speaker 1: But I still had that physical that physicality that I

676
00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:38,280
Speaker 1: grew up with playing hockey and lacrosse, and the being

677
00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:43,240
Speaker 1: the little brother, um. Being able to take a hit, blindside,

678
00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:46,040
Speaker 1: take a hit, um, things like that. The traits were

679
00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:49,440
Speaker 1: easy to transition. And then you take the the ability

680
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:51,280
Speaker 1: to you know, play on the court, be able to

681
00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:53,400
Speaker 1: go up and grab me, be able to grab alley

682
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:56,120
Speaker 1: you and take it off somebody's head. Things like that.

683
00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:59,560
Speaker 1: That the athletic ability. UM, that transferred from the court

684
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:03,480
Speaker 1: over and then the ability to track a baseball, the

685
00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:06,080
Speaker 1: ability to go deep in and run down, run down

686
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:09,440
Speaker 1: the sidelines, and track a ball flying in the air. UM,

687
00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:12,880
Speaker 1: all these all these different sports helped mold me into

688
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:16,040
Speaker 1: um the tight end that I am today and the

689
00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:18,520
Speaker 1: success that I have today. UM. If you if you

690
00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:20,880
Speaker 1: watch a lot of my routes, it looks like I

691
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:23,200
Speaker 1: might have a rock in my hand, like I'm crossing over.

692
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:27,080
Speaker 1: I didn't have that on the court. The handles. The

693
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:30,160
Speaker 1: handles were suspect on the court. But it looks like

694
00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:33,840
Speaker 1: when I'm moving sometimes I'm using the in and out crossover,

695
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:36,600
Speaker 1: you know, things that kind of get somebody to step

696
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:38,560
Speaker 1: one way. Because in football it's a game of inches.

697
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:41,200
Speaker 1: All I need is this much separation because when I'm

698
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:44,600
Speaker 1: reaching for a football, I only need about five to

699
00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:47,720
Speaker 1: six inches to a foot for myself to get my

700
00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:49,440
Speaker 1: hands on it before you do. And then once it's

701
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:52,760
Speaker 1: in my grip, uh, it's mine. So it's it's having

702
00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:57,880
Speaker 1: that mentality of you know, being being being the boss

703
00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:00,640
Speaker 1: on the field, but at the same time, haven't having

704
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:04,160
Speaker 1: you know, a slick way of running your route to manipulated,

705
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:12,880
Speaker 1: munipa manipulating way to to to you know, get the

706
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:15,480
Speaker 1: defense to think I'm doing something else. Man. Uh, that's

707
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:18,600
Speaker 1: that's the game that I play. I think you made

708
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:20,920
Speaker 1: an amazing point, and I hope that are you know,

709
00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:23,240
Speaker 1: the dads are listening and the kids are listening to this,

710
00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:26,560
Speaker 1: actually parents overall that you said every sport you played

711
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:28,280
Speaker 1: made you the player you are today, And I felt

712
00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:30,560
Speaker 1: the exact same way. You know, I was all American football,

713
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:33,880
Speaker 1: played baseball, obviously all American basketball, but I took every

714
00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:36,320
Speaker 1: I took the toughness from the NFL. That's why you

715
00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:38,960
Speaker 1: know I was playing football. I felt like I was

716
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:41,360
Speaker 1: a football player playing basketball. Like I've never shied away

717
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:43,400
Speaker 1: from the physicality or anything things like that, but I

718
00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:45,280
Speaker 1: really feel like I took you know, the hand I

719
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:49,400
Speaker 1: of baseball, the physicality of football, and allowed me to

720
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:51,479
Speaker 1: play fifteen years in the NBA. And I think too

721
00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:54,840
Speaker 1: often now kids are parents are vicariously living through their kids,

722
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:57,000
Speaker 1: and it's one sport year round, making it a job

723
00:32:57,080 --> 00:32:59,160
Speaker 1: at such a young age, you know. So I think

724
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:00,840
Speaker 1: it's great and I try out of preseat. Man, I

725
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:04,120
Speaker 1: think all the sports hone you in and you'll find

726
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:06,880
Speaker 1: what sport is yours eventually. But all those other sports

727
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:08,240
Speaker 1: you play alone in the way are gonna help you

728
00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:11,080
Speaker 1: develop into hopefully you know that that the professional athlete

729
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:13,640
Speaker 1: you aspire to be. I'm right there with you, man.

730
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:16,840
Speaker 1: Playing every single sport definitely helps you out. UM, and

731
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:19,720
Speaker 1: then having the mentality of you know, I'm I'm a

732
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:22,120
Speaker 1: big believer, and there's a lot of professional athletes that

733
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:25,400
Speaker 1: could have chose another sport have been been just as successful,

734
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:28,480
Speaker 1: if not even more successful. Having the grit and the

735
00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:32,440
Speaker 1: mentality of getting better at something and finding that routine.

736
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:34,560
Speaker 1: I think I think at a young age, I never

737
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:38,680
Speaker 1: really understood how to how to create a routine of success. Um.

738
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:41,760
Speaker 1: I didn't understand going to practice what these jump shots

739
00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:45,520
Speaker 1: really meant. I didn't understand what these dribbling um skills

740
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:48,040
Speaker 1: that dribbling the skills and in and out of cones

741
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:50,560
Speaker 1: and stuff like that, what all these fundamentals were gonna

742
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:53,200
Speaker 1: mean on an instinctual decision on the court. I didn't

743
00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:55,520
Speaker 1: understand all of that at a young age. UM. But

744
00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:57,120
Speaker 1: it really took off for me when I moved to

745
00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:59,479
Speaker 1: the tight end room, because I was like, all right,

746
00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:01,479
Speaker 1: how do do I how do I play this position?

747
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:03,440
Speaker 1: Let me look at some of the greats. Let me

748
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:06,200
Speaker 1: look at some stuff on online on on on what

749
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:08,600
Speaker 1: people are saying, you know what I mean, are teaching

750
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:11,360
Speaker 1: these tight ends at a young age the fundamentals, the

751
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:14,759
Speaker 1: basic fundamentals. And once I started to really get into

752
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:18,200
Speaker 1: those fundamentals and and finding that routine is success, everything

753
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:19,879
Speaker 1: took off for me. My love for the game took

754
00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:21,800
Speaker 1: off because I was having so much success with it.

755
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:24,680
Speaker 1: And and I think that's something, Um, if you have

756
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:27,440
Speaker 1: a knack for for being on being competitive and being

757
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:30,680
Speaker 1: on the athletic field, court, rank, whatever it is, um,

758
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:34,879
Speaker 1: find that routine of success. Uh and and and even

759
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:37,640
Speaker 1: if it's something that you're doing just the minimal, you know,

760
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:40,120
Speaker 1: finding that routine and just walking home with the basketball

761
00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:43,799
Speaker 1: in your hands, holding the football to your chest when

762
00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:46,400
Speaker 1: you're walking through the hallways. Little stuff like that creates

763
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:49,880
Speaker 1: instinct world features that have it. It creates, It creates

764
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:53,319
Speaker 1: these little instinctual things that just hold onto the hold

765
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:54,960
Speaker 1: onto the ball a little bit tighter, being able to

766
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:56,840
Speaker 1: oh when it hits a crack, being able to grab

767
00:34:57,160 --> 00:34:59,400
Speaker 1: the ball with your intrinsic muscles in your hands, just

768
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:02,319
Speaker 1: things like at that you naturally just you don't think

769
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:04,320
Speaker 1: um will make you that much better, but over the

770
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:06,719
Speaker 1: course of time, uh, it makes you that much greater.

771
00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:09,719
Speaker 1: What the constant improvement, you know, from being a third

772
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 1: round pick, constant study improvement every year to being the

773
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:16,719
Speaker 1: prototypical hybrid type tight end. You know, you're you're too

774
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:19,960
Speaker 1: big for dbs, you're too fast for linebackers. You're the

775
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:23,719
Speaker 1: new age of you know of tight end. What does

776
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:25,680
Speaker 1: that mean to you? Considering you went like I said,

777
00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:28,440
Speaker 1: you know, arguably the best in the game because of

778
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:31,640
Speaker 1: the other ship that you know hones you growing up

779
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:35,759
Speaker 1: to become a tight end. Yeah, I um, Well, the

780
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:39,320
Speaker 1: first thing is, you know, I think I think a

781
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:42,120
Speaker 1: lot of people try and build the stereotype of a

782
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:44,080
Speaker 1: tight end like, oh, he's big, he could run a

783
00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:46,120
Speaker 1: little bit of routes, but he doesn't have the whole

784
00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:48,840
Speaker 1: route tree. And in my mind, I was watching the

785
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:51,000
Speaker 1: wide receivers run routes and I'm like, I can run

786
00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:53,360
Speaker 1: that route, just give me the opportunity to run it.

787
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 1: And that's the biggest thing is a tight end is

788
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:58,960
Speaker 1: getting that opportunity. And I have so much appreciation for

789
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:01,320
Speaker 1: what coach Andy Reid is done in terms of my

790
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:05,160
Speaker 1: success and giving and trusting me with uh winning these

791
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:08,560
Speaker 1: one on one matchups, being open for the quarterback, having

792
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:11,560
Speaker 1: the full route tree in a game plan to to

793
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:13,520
Speaker 1: make the defense second guests and have to play a

794
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:16,920
Speaker 1: reactionary position. All of that goes into account to what

795
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:20,040
Speaker 1: who I am as a professional and without a coach

796
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:22,759
Speaker 1: being able to put me in these situations, um, I'm

797
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 1: not the same player and I the biggest thing is

798
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:29,919
Speaker 1: I've taken mentally, um my game to a whole another

799
00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 1: level by not letting myself get boxed into what a

800
00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:36,640
Speaker 1: stereotype player would be. You know, I think NonStop. You

801
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:39,080
Speaker 1: always have to you have to keep trying find to

802
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:41,040
Speaker 1: find a way to get better. And that's why I

803
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:43,759
Speaker 1: watched everybody in the league, everybody, all the tight ends.

804
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:46,360
Speaker 1: Whenever I turn on the film, I'm watching it, and

805
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:49,840
Speaker 1: whether it's the third tight end over in you know, Atlanta,

806
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:52,840
Speaker 1: or the starting tight end in San France, I'm watching

807
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:56,040
Speaker 1: to see what they they're doing to have success and

808
00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:58,959
Speaker 1: how I can implement that into my game, uh knowing,

809
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:01,840
Speaker 1: you know, especially if it if it's something that's dominating

810
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:04,960
Speaker 1: seeing that you're you know, you, you study your opponents.

811
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:09,479
Speaker 1: Obviously study your peers from your position coming into this space,

812
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:12,000
Speaker 1: considering you are a hybrid, do you did you watch

813
00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:14,759
Speaker 1: more receivers or did you watch more tight ends that

814
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:16,680
Speaker 1: you looked up to and kind of passenger game or

815
00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:19,360
Speaker 1: was it a mix of both? Initially? Initially I watched

816
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 1: the tight ends and that was just creature, I having

817
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:26,560
Speaker 1: creature of the position. Um. I was watching Tony Gonzalez.

818
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:27,920
Speaker 1: Once I got to the league and I really had

819
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:30,440
Speaker 1: access to the film all over the league, I started

820
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:33,319
Speaker 1: watching Tony Gonzalez during his prime years here in Kansas City.

821
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:36,839
Speaker 1: I started watching a lot of Shannon Sharp. Uh. At

822
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:39,280
Speaker 1: the time, Rob Gronkowski was taking the league by storm,

823
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:41,360
Speaker 1: So I was watching a lot of him. Um and

824
00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:44,520
Speaker 1: what he was doing. Uh, Jimmy Graham had a unique

825
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:46,880
Speaker 1: ability to to get open in the red zone and

826
00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:50,120
Speaker 1: and and play the game. Yeah, exactly play the game

827
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:53,400
Speaker 1: at a high level. Uh, knowing that he just transitioned

828
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:55,680
Speaker 1: into the position. Um. So I was looking at all

829
00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:58,360
Speaker 1: these guys. And then on top of that, when you

830
00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:01,879
Speaker 1: watched the film, uh, you can't help it to see

831
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:04,680
Speaker 1: where the ball goes. So so throughout film, I started

832
00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:07,759
Speaker 1: watching you know, just everything, watching guys run routes uh,

833
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:13,480
Speaker 1: doing doing doing wide receiver routes inside uh and and

834
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:16,440
Speaker 1: from that point on, I mean just go going up

835
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:19,840
Speaker 1: to the players, the quarterbacks and the coaches and saying, hey,

836
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:21,920
Speaker 1: why don't we throw a little uh slant and go

837
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:23,440
Speaker 1: out here? Why don't we throw a little corner and

838
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:25,759
Speaker 1: go why don't we you know, work this this route

839
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:28,879
Speaker 1: inside just one time and see see how that looks um,

840
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:31,520
Speaker 1: letting him know I feel comfortable with running these routes

841
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:34,680
Speaker 1: and getting open for you. And um, I think, uh

842
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:37,040
Speaker 1: a lot of like I already said, a lot of

843
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:40,239
Speaker 1: my success goes to to coach Andy Reid. But being

844
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:42,400
Speaker 1: on the same page as everybody in this offense is

845
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:45,240
Speaker 1: definitely something that has has made me a better player.

846
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:54,719
Speaker 1: So toughest matchup, toughest matchup, man, Um, I mean that's

847
00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:57,600
Speaker 1: Super Bowl was pretty intense. Man. The Niners. Man, there's

848
00:38:57,600 --> 00:38:59,920
Speaker 1: no joke that that defense that they had last year.

849
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:03,760
Speaker 1: The hell yeah, you're just saying that because you're appointed,

850
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:06,480
Speaker 1: not a fan, man, get off the gap. But but

851
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:10,919
Speaker 1: but but he even though our four was nice as fun, yeah,

852
00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:13,520
Speaker 1: I mean that and just the overall scheme. Man, the

853
00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:15,960
Speaker 1: defensive coordinator is one of the best in the league.

854
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:18,600
Speaker 1: He he teaches it very well and makes sure that

855
00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:22,160
Speaker 1: it's it's everybody's sound. Like the biggest thing about the

856
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:24,480
Speaker 1: outside whether to know much about football, is that everybody

857
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:27,160
Speaker 1: on the football field is playing defense has a gap

858
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:30,399
Speaker 1: in the run game. So the gap between the center

859
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:32,239
Speaker 1: and the guard a d tackle might have, or a

860
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:34,640
Speaker 1: linebacker might have, you know what I mean. And for

861
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:36,759
Speaker 1: a defense to be sound, everybody has to be able

862
00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:38,680
Speaker 1: to fill a gap and be able to, you know,

863
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:41,640
Speaker 1: make their tackle if called upon. And I think what

864
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:44,799
Speaker 1: what San Francisco does unbelievable job of is in terms

865
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:48,440
Speaker 1: of zone coverages and rushing the quarterback and making sure

866
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:51,400
Speaker 1: that their run game, their their defensive run game is

867
00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:53,680
Speaker 1: on point. I mean, he everybody seems to be on

868
00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:55,480
Speaker 1: the same page over there. And that's why it's so

869
00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:57,960
Speaker 1: hard to put up points on them, um, because they

870
00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:01,080
Speaker 1: take away the deep the deep threat, and they do

871
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:04,560
Speaker 1: very well. They're very good job of underneath uh kind

872
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:07,440
Speaker 1: of matching up to everybody. So it's just that defense

873
00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:10,040
Speaker 1: was was very underrated, if it wasn't already, if it

874
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:12,080
Speaker 1: wasn't you know, praised is one of the best in

875
00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:15,200
Speaker 1: the league. And um, I think that was definitely our

876
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:18,200
Speaker 1: toughest matchup. But you can never look past uh, you

877
00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:21,480
Speaker 1: can never look past Baltimore. Baltimore has got a great defense.

878
00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:23,799
Speaker 1: Uh uh. And if you don't get if you don't

879
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:26,840
Speaker 1: get on top of them early, UM, it's gonna be

880
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:28,520
Speaker 1: a long day because Lamar is gonna be able to

881
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:31,719
Speaker 1: just take his time downfield and and create great or

882
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:35,799
Speaker 1: create huge plays. Um. Who else you know what I'm

883
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:37,640
Speaker 1: looking right now with the bucks Man. The bucks are

884
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:41,760
Speaker 1: playing great football with the veteran football team. Uh, great coaches,

885
00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:44,040
Speaker 1: and it's and it's all new. It's all new, a

886
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:46,120
Speaker 1: lot of it is. Uh. It's hard to scheme up

887
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:48,800
Speaker 1: new things. That's why you see a lot of immediate

888
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:51,560
Speaker 1: success out of out of out of some players because

889
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:54,360
Speaker 1: it's so brand new. You don't really know their tendencies

890
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:57,200
Speaker 1: and things like that. Um. But as they play longer

891
00:40:57,239 --> 00:40:59,440
Speaker 1: down or longer in their career and longer down the season,

892
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:01,879
Speaker 1: they start to get schemed up a little bit. Yeah,

893
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:03,640
Speaker 1: they moved higher up that they moved higher up to

894
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:09,040
Speaker 1: Scott and report exactly. Yeah. Yeah, transitioning you Uh, you

895
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:12,640
Speaker 1: did a show for you know, our Network showtime. Uh,

896
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:16,920
Speaker 1: moon Base eight, How did that come about? Man? Honestly,

897
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:18,879
Speaker 1: I don't I don't even know how it came about.

898
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:22,160
Speaker 1: I think they needed a football player, somebody with uh

899
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:26,560
Speaker 1: a tougher mentality. Uh in the in the kind of

900
00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:28,319
Speaker 1: like the moon Base eight of the characters that they

901
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:32,359
Speaker 1: were they were putting together, um, and my name came

902
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:34,560
Speaker 1: across the board and sure enough that picked it. I

903
00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:36,560
Speaker 1: don't know how the heck I got picked. I didn't

904
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:39,719
Speaker 1: really do too many I didn't do any um audition

905
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:41,719
Speaker 1: for it or anything like that. I just kind of

906
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:44,480
Speaker 1: showed up. And here I am sitting there looking at

907
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:50,520
Speaker 1: Dale from Stepbrothers right right now, eyes listen. I was

908
00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:52,319
Speaker 1: I was like a little kid in a candy store. Man.

909
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:54,879
Speaker 1: I just I was admiring. It was like the real

910
00:41:55,040 --> 00:42:00,200
Speaker 1: life show. And and John c Riley is he is livable, bro,

911
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:04,000
Speaker 1: he is so funny, unbelievable, dude. He's awesome. Guy. All

912
00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:07,279
Speaker 1: three of the other characters, um and all three of

913
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:09,759
Speaker 1: the guy the main leadson in that show or I mean,

914
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:11,600
Speaker 1: they were just they were awesome. They were helping me

915
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:13,799
Speaker 1: out with everything. Uh. Knowing that I was a rookie

916
00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:15,719
Speaker 1: in the game, I had no idea what I was

917
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:18,160
Speaker 1: really doing. Um, but I had a whole lot of

918
00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:22,120
Speaker 1: fun listening to those guys and watching those guys be professionals. Man.

919
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:26,880
Speaker 1: So you're also on featured on ease show Catching with Kelsey.

920
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:28,719
Speaker 1: If you ever need a wingman on the show like that,

921
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:31,120
Speaker 1: I'll let me because I'll definitely come through and uh,

922
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:35,160
Speaker 1: you know, be that support. Um with that is there

923
00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:37,640
Speaker 1: is not looking ahead. Obviously you love what you do,

924
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:39,640
Speaker 1: but you know, we're more in the era now of

925
00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:43,520
Speaker 1: you know, life after sports, and more than ever, athletes

926
00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:46,760
Speaker 1: are in other things as they're dominating their one particular

927
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:49,759
Speaker 1: sport is in front of the camera, behind the camera,

928
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:53,640
Speaker 1: and interest of you for your post career without a doubt,

929
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:55,480
Speaker 1: I'm keeping all the windows open right now. Are all

930
00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:59,319
Speaker 1: the doors open right now? Uh? Kind of venturing into

931
00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:02,520
Speaker 1: a few different areas. The fashion world is one of them.

932
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:05,640
Speaker 1: I have a clothing brain, True Colors, just a lifestyle

933
00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:08,160
Speaker 1: brand right now that I'm trying to build. Uh. We've

934
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:10,480
Speaker 1: got some fun releases coming up soon. But I think

935
00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:15,279
Speaker 1: whether it's fashion, uh talking sports in general, um, I can't.

936
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:17,640
Speaker 1: I can see myself talking to football for the rest

937
00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:19,360
Speaker 1: of my life. But I kind of want to venture

938
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:21,800
Speaker 1: into all sports knowing that I have a love for

939
00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:28,560
Speaker 1: all competition man, everything from golf to tennis to you know, hoops,

940
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:30,839
Speaker 1: you name it, man, I'm in it. Man. I loved

941
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:34,040
Speaker 1: I love to be around the sports sporting atmosphere and

942
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:37,480
Speaker 1: uh and talk and shoot shoot the stuff with everybody. Man.

943
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:40,840
Speaker 1: Being such a high profile UM athlete now in this

944
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:44,040
Speaker 1: day to social media, do you find it tough trying

945
00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:48,400
Speaker 1: to keep up with it? Balance it, block out the negativity,

946
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:51,439
Speaker 1: benefit from the positivity, and just social media as a whole.

947
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:55,920
Speaker 1: We know you popping on G two, you got you

948
00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:59,000
Speaker 1: gotta make sure you you're you're pushing the right material

949
00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:04,600
Speaker 1: and the right contact. It's just it's just UM. One.

950
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:07,840
Speaker 1: I think it's enjoying the people UM that you share

951
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:12,640
Speaker 1: UH similarities with, so jumping on shows like this where

952
00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:15,799
Speaker 1: I can relate to guys, you know, appreciate all your guys,

953
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:18,720
Speaker 1: both your guys opinions on things UM, and then pushing

954
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:22,399
Speaker 1: the right content and UM. I think what people don't

955
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:27,160
Speaker 1: really understand about about athletes and UH people with following

956
00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:31,440
Speaker 1: is that there's there's once you get to a certain following, UH,

957
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:35,080
Speaker 1: the comments just start going they take, they take, they

958
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:39,200
Speaker 1: take their own road into into whatever leads. You know,

959
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:42,759
Speaker 1: you could post a picture about uh football, and out

960
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:45,960
Speaker 1: of nowhere here comes somebody talking about your relationship. So

961
00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:51,560
Speaker 1: mental health, mental mental health is something that is very real,

962
00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:55,440
Speaker 1: um to two people with the following, And it's because

963
00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:57,359
Speaker 1: you know, you want to you want to care about

964
00:44:57,400 --> 00:44:59,200
Speaker 1: what somebody is saying about you. It's just it's in

965
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:01,520
Speaker 1: my It's in nature that I you know, I want

966
00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:03,279
Speaker 1: to be loved by everybody that ship. I'm a fun

967
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:05,759
Speaker 1: loving guy. It is who it is, what it is um.

968
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:08,440
Speaker 1: On the on the field, I could care less about

969
00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:10,800
Speaker 1: who I'm going against. That's the mentality I have on

970
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:13,359
Speaker 1: the on the field. But as a person, I want

971
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:16,440
Speaker 1: everybody to appreciate, you know, who I am because I

972
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:18,520
Speaker 1: represent a lot of people from back home that would

973
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:20,800
Speaker 1: that that are prideful of that. You know, we're in

974
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:23,160
Speaker 1: the era now where I was actually just talking on

975
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:26,160
Speaker 1: ESPN earlier today about Michael Jordan's saying he doesn't think

976
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:28,360
Speaker 1: he can handle this social media era if he was

977
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:30,200
Speaker 1: playing you know what I mean. And I think social

978
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:32,440
Speaker 1: media has been the greatest gift and the greatest curse

979
00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:34,000
Speaker 1: and the reason why it's the greatest curse is just

980
00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:38,760
Speaker 1: because there's so much negativity and jealousy and anger and bitterness,

981
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:40,880
Speaker 1: and like you said, people think because we're athletes that

982
00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:43,080
Speaker 1: the ship people say doesn't get to us or doesn't

983
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:44,879
Speaker 1: affect us or doesn't bother us, and it and it's

984
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:46,680
Speaker 1: furtherest from the truth. I mean, obviously we have to

985
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:49,000
Speaker 1: block it out and do a job. But at the

986
00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:50,920
Speaker 1: same time, you've got people talking to about your kids,

987
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:53,719
Speaker 1: talking about your girl, your ex girl, something you did.

988
00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:56,840
Speaker 1: I'm like, god, damn, like okay, or or another thing,

989
00:45:56,920 --> 00:45:58,560
Speaker 1: like would you really say that to my face? Like

990
00:45:58,600 --> 00:46:01,040
Speaker 1: if someone's gonna talk big ship on Instagram? Everyone thinks

991
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:03,000
Speaker 1: that Mike Tyson on Instagram like to me, just don't

992
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:04,680
Speaker 1: say nothing you wouldn't say to my face. Like I

993
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:06,840
Speaker 1: respect that you say to my face. I might do something,

994
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:10,000
Speaker 1: but just don't. Just don't say ship that you wouldn't

995
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:13,160
Speaker 1: normally say. And I think that's unfortunately a society that

996
00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:15,360
Speaker 1: we live in. Or as great as you are, you

997
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:17,279
Speaker 1: guys are Super Bowl champs, there are still people that

998
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:19,120
Speaker 1: just want to talk shipped to you, to talk shipped

999
00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:21,640
Speaker 1: to you, you know, instead of saying like man you're

1000
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:22,680
Speaker 1: a hell of you know, you're a hell of a

1001
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:25,399
Speaker 1: tight end. You guys are a great fucking team. It's

1002
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:27,440
Speaker 1: harder for people to do that now. It's so much

1003
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:29,920
Speaker 1: easier for people to hate and and it's it's a

1004
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:32,200
Speaker 1: sad position in a in a sad state of affairs

1005
00:46:32,239 --> 00:46:33,560
Speaker 1: that we're in. When it comes to that, it gives

1006
00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:37,080
Speaker 1: everybody opinion, It gives everybody opinion trapped. But also it

1007
00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:38,920
Speaker 1: gets to the point, like you said, all we can

1008
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:41,680
Speaker 1: worry about is the message, the message we're given out.

1009
00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:43,399
Speaker 1: We can't really worry about what people say because people

1010
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:44,920
Speaker 1: are gonna say all types of things. But long as

1011
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:48,000
Speaker 1: I message it clear, they're gonna twisted regardless. But all

1012
00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:50,360
Speaker 1: we can control is our message. As long as I

1013
00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:52,960
Speaker 1: message getting getting off is the right way, then that's

1014
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:56,520
Speaker 1: all you can't control, especially these days. I'm I'm right

1015
00:46:56,600 --> 00:46:59,439
Speaker 1: there with you. My brother had a he had a fun,

1016
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:01,759
Speaker 1: fun time when he won the Super Bowl and for

1017
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:05,239
Speaker 1: the parade, he dressed up like, uh, whatever that is

1018
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:07,759
Speaker 1: over there in Philly. I forget what it's called, um,

1019
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:10,880
Speaker 1: but he um. He said something in in in his

1020
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:13,799
Speaker 1: parade speech that that resonates with me. He went down

1021
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:17,000
Speaker 1: the line of everybody that that the media pointed out,

1022
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:19,719
Speaker 1: all the flaws the media was talking about. Old, the

1023
00:47:20,040 --> 00:47:22,400
Speaker 1: Eagles can't win it. This guy does this, he's he

1024
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:25,200
Speaker 1: he can't catch the ball, he's a terrible blocker, you know,

1025
00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:27,080
Speaker 1: things like that. And he went down the list, he

1026
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:30,160
Speaker 1: named everybody's flaw and said, that's what this guy wrote

1027
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:32,200
Speaker 1: about everybody. And you know what, you know what I

1028
00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:37,640
Speaker 1: said to him, fuck him him. You know, just straight up,

1029
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:39,839
Speaker 1: I ain't trying to hear. I'm not trying to hear

1030
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:42,720
Speaker 1: none of that. We meet, we we reached the mountain

1031
00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:45,719
Speaker 1: peak and and and got crown king and and you

1032
00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:49,239
Speaker 1: can't say anything about it. And uh and and you

1033
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:51,080
Speaker 1: know what, sometimes you just have to block it out

1034
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:53,680
Speaker 1: and just tell him him, you know, and and and

1035
00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:56,080
Speaker 1: that's the mentality that you have to have. I used

1036
00:47:56,080 --> 00:47:58,320
Speaker 1: to at a at a younger age in my career,

1037
00:47:58,680 --> 00:48:01,279
Speaker 1: UM really care about all of that, uh to a

1038
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:03,800
Speaker 1: certain extent. And um, and it used to get to me.

1039
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:05,520
Speaker 1: It used to get to me a lot, like and

1040
00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:08,440
Speaker 1: I would get frustrated out on the field, uh, not

1041
00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:11,759
Speaker 1: having the success that I I thought I should have.

1042
00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:16,279
Speaker 1: And and you know what, I I wasn't living a

1043
00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:18,640
Speaker 1: fun life and and and and and mentally you have

1044
00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:21,239
Speaker 1: to be able to find happiness and what you're doing

1045
00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:23,279
Speaker 1: and block out a lot of the negativity that's going

1046
00:48:23,320 --> 00:48:25,799
Speaker 1: on and uh. And mental health is such a huge

1047
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:29,920
Speaker 1: part of being being an athlete, especially in today's game.

1048
00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:33,320
Speaker 1: Right yeah, coming down the home stretch. UH. What's the

1049
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:37,120
Speaker 1: mission of eighty seven and running eighty seven and running um?

1050
00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:40,040
Speaker 1: Our mission is to is to help out as many

1051
00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:44,799
Speaker 1: as many of the kids in Kansas City and Cleveland areas. Uh,

1052
00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:46,880
Speaker 1: and that those are just to the two areas that

1053
00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:49,279
Speaker 1: I'm focusing on right now, being from Cleveland and playing

1054
00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:53,480
Speaker 1: in Kansas City. UM, right now, right now, I'm just Uh.

1055
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:56,320
Speaker 1: I grew up as uh, like I said, in a

1056
00:48:56,440 --> 00:49:00,279
Speaker 1: very multicultural, very diverse area of a social as. So

1057
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:02,880
Speaker 1: I understood privilege UM at a young age, and I

1058
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:06,600
Speaker 1: understood how many uh, you know, different walks of life

1059
00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:08,600
Speaker 1: are really out here and how I can appreciate that

1060
00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:11,439
Speaker 1: but also appreciate you know, what my family is doing

1061
00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:15,080
Speaker 1: to provide for myself and my brother and UM in

1062
00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:18,080
Speaker 1: the way that my father and my mother were kind

1063
00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:20,400
Speaker 1: of that adult and that that guidance for a lot

1064
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:23,680
Speaker 1: of other kids because they didn't have that. UM. It

1065
00:49:24,080 --> 00:49:27,279
Speaker 1: made me understand that you know what, UM, I need

1066
00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:30,080
Speaker 1: to be able to lend a hand if I if

1067
00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:32,759
Speaker 1: I'm giving all of this fortune, if I'm giving all

1068
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:37,040
Speaker 1: of this, uh, all this opportunity, UM that these other

1069
00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:39,719
Speaker 1: kids aren't getting, you know, and whether it's due to

1070
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:44,600
Speaker 1: to failed school levies and not having the extracurricular activity, um,

1071
00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:47,239
Speaker 1: not having the band, not having you know, all these

1072
00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:50,960
Speaker 1: all these extracurricular things within the school to to you know,

1073
00:49:51,239 --> 00:49:54,080
Speaker 1: just not having that the ability to go out and

1074
00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:56,279
Speaker 1: get a glove. You know. I want to make sure

1075
00:49:56,360 --> 00:49:59,480
Speaker 1: that all the kids UM in this city having to

1076
00:49:59,640 --> 00:50:03,760
Speaker 1: having least an opportunity to to to get into something.

1077
00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:06,439
Speaker 1: And uh. And that's what eighty seven running is all about,

1078
00:50:06,520 --> 00:50:10,680
Speaker 1: is making sure that underserved kids around both Kansas City

1079
00:50:10,680 --> 00:50:13,680
Speaker 1: area and Cleveland area are given the opportunities in life

1080
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:20,600
Speaker 1: that can help give them success. Man, we appreciate your yeah,

1081
00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:24,359
Speaker 1: yeah best man as vice versa, fellas as vice versa,

1082
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:26,160
Speaker 1: are we gonna take you up on the I'm gonna

1083
00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:27,600
Speaker 1: get you numb, I'm gonna fun with you for real.

1084
00:50:28,120 --> 00:50:31,399
Speaker 1: You already know, you already know, alright quick hitters. Here

1085
00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:36,439
Speaker 1: we go. Top five your your top five artists, Top

1086
00:50:36,560 --> 00:50:40,600
Speaker 1: five artists. Oh man, he took it there, gotta leave.

1087
00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:42,879
Speaker 1: I've been on the old school. I've been to see

1088
00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:47,279
Speaker 1: I've been on the old school finding all old school stuff. Man,

1089
00:50:48,040 --> 00:50:50,200
Speaker 1: whatever you want right now, shout out. Shout out to

1090
00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:54,440
Speaker 1: Casey's Casey's Old School, Bloodstone Man, one of the one

1091
00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:58,040
Speaker 1: of the one of the I believe, one of the

1092
00:50:58,120 --> 00:51:01,040
Speaker 1: most player bands that that I've heard recently that that

1093
00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:03,960
Speaker 1: UM wasn't wasn't at the top of the list when

1094
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:06,480
Speaker 1: I initially started getting into this, Uh finding all this

1095
00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:09,640
Speaker 1: old school music. Um, and there were Kansas City Zone,

1096
00:51:09,640 --> 00:51:12,560
Speaker 1: so I gotta give them a shout out. Um, I'm

1097
00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:15,239
Speaker 1: all over it with with music. Man, I could go forever. Man.

1098
00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:19,600
Speaker 1: Twenty one Savages is popping right now. Um God, Lee

1099
00:51:20,320 --> 00:51:22,520
Speaker 1: threw me on the spot. I can't even think of

1100
00:51:22,680 --> 00:51:25,279
Speaker 1: one specific justin timber Lake has always been a favorite man.

1101
00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:27,239
Speaker 1: I can always go back. I'm excited to hear his

1102
00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:30,759
Speaker 1: new stuff when he jumps on and then, Uh, Drake

1103
00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:33,239
Speaker 1: is always a favorite man. Anything he throws on end

1104
00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:35,120
Speaker 1: up finding finding a way to dance to it and

1105
00:51:35,239 --> 00:51:39,360
Speaker 1: move to it. Um and then Uh, I'll switch up

1106
00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:42,759
Speaker 1: the genre. Let's go um chain smokers. Man, those are

1107
00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:45,400
Speaker 1: my guys out there, h l A based, I believe.

1108
00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:47,480
Speaker 1: Actually I think they're actually East Coast Base, but they're

1109
00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:50,400
Speaker 1: out in l A right now. Man, favorite Sneaker. As

1110
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:53,800
Speaker 1: a kid, Oh man, you put me on the spot again,

1111
00:51:54,719 --> 00:51:59,840
Speaker 1: I would say as a kid. As a kid, the

1112
00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:02,800
Speaker 1: Back to the Futures were just it was everything to me,

1113
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:04,480
Speaker 1: and that's why I went. When I actually got my

1114
00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:07,800
Speaker 1: first UH check in the NFL, the first thing I

1115
00:52:07,880 --> 00:52:10,719
Speaker 1: did was go online and try and find the Back

1116
00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:13,120
Speaker 1: to the Futures in my size. I got drafted in

1117
00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:15,680
Speaker 1: thirteen and they had just came out in two thousand

1118
00:52:15,719 --> 00:52:17,920
Speaker 1: and twelve, but two thousand and eleven. I forget which one,

1119
00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:20,040
Speaker 1: but man, when they first when they when I saw

1120
00:52:20,120 --> 00:52:23,200
Speaker 1: the movie as a kid, I it blew my mind

1121
00:52:23,239 --> 00:52:26,160
Speaker 1: away that that these things were even being created. And

1122
00:52:26,200 --> 00:52:27,800
Speaker 1: then the story behind it and the fact that it

1123
00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:32,279
Speaker 1: was helping out Parkinson's disease. Um, just everything about it. Man,

1124
00:52:32,320 --> 00:52:34,000
Speaker 1: you know what the Sneak is all about the story.

1125
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:37,400
Speaker 1: But I could give you ninety nineties kick references all day, man.

1126
00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:39,440
Speaker 1: I was playing in the Jordan fourteens. When I was

1127
00:52:39,480 --> 00:52:41,759
Speaker 1: in fifth grade, I threw the black laces in them

1128
00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:45,800
Speaker 1: because I thought I was sweet. Uh, candy, the candy

1129
00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:48,839
Speaker 1: candy came four teens. Yeah, man, it's yeah, it goes,

1130
00:52:48,920 --> 00:52:51,480
Speaker 1: it goes on and no no, man was huge for

1131
00:52:51,640 --> 00:52:53,560
Speaker 1: for me. Fashion all started for me in the in

1132
00:52:53,640 --> 00:52:56,040
Speaker 1: the nineties because of the Kicks Wave Man, the Barkley's,

1133
00:52:56,280 --> 00:53:00,480
Speaker 1: the Jordan's, the Pippins. Uh, you name it. Man, What's

1134
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:02,959
Speaker 1: what's up? When we asked you this question? You gotta

1135
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:04,719
Speaker 1: help us get this guess who would you like to

1136
00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:09,640
Speaker 1: see on all the smoke on the oldest smoke? Um,

1137
00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:12,560
Speaker 1: could be a teammate, could be an opponent, could be

1138
00:53:12,600 --> 00:53:17,120
Speaker 1: a different genre life period. Man, I'm gonna I'm gonna

1139
00:53:17,160 --> 00:53:18,279
Speaker 1: keep it in there. I'm gonna keep it in the

1140
00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:21,520
Speaker 1: boxing and and and go Tony Gonzalez. Man, I would

1141
00:53:21,560 --> 00:53:24,399
Speaker 1: love to hear your guys conversation with the greatest tight

1142
00:53:24,520 --> 00:53:28,560
Speaker 1: end to ever play the game. Man. Yeah, and you

1143
00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:31,520
Speaker 1: got the basketball background, like as you know, he had

1144
00:53:31,560 --> 00:53:34,000
Speaker 1: a training camp with the Heat when he was he

1145
00:53:34,160 --> 00:53:38,600
Speaker 1: was younger. Um, he went right out here. Yeah, he

1146
00:53:38,640 --> 00:53:40,319
Speaker 1: went to he went to cal Berkeley, So that's right

1147
00:53:40,360 --> 00:53:41,879
Speaker 1: out of my way. So I know that was someone

1148
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:43,520
Speaker 1: I looked up to because he was doing it at

1149
00:53:43,520 --> 00:53:46,080
Speaker 1: the highest level or college at least, you know, on

1150
00:53:46,160 --> 00:53:48,080
Speaker 1: bost sides. So that was that was a big motivation

1151
00:53:48,160 --> 00:53:52,120
Speaker 1: for me. Tony G. You know the biggest memory I

1152
00:53:52,160 --> 00:53:54,440
Speaker 1: got to Tony G as a kid with NFL Street

1153
00:53:55,280 --> 00:54:01,520
Speaker 1: NFL that man, and I used to play with him

1154
00:54:01,560 --> 00:54:03,200
Speaker 1: every single time. That's where I knew the tight end

1155
00:54:03,200 --> 00:54:04,759
Speaker 1: position could be done. And I was like, okay, this

1156
00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:07,520
Speaker 1: because I lets guy Man, I gotta watch football man,

1157
00:54:08,200 --> 00:54:11,640
Speaker 1: he's a monster. Hell yeah, last question right here. We

1158
00:54:11,719 --> 00:54:18,000
Speaker 1: know you gotta get running five dinner guests dead or alive. Man. Um,

1159
00:54:18,680 --> 00:54:22,399
Speaker 1: this is a good one. R I P. Kobe Man

1160
00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:25,240
Speaker 1: I would. I mean there was had a very brief

1161
00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:28,640
Speaker 1: opportunity to to say, you know how much I appreciated

1162
00:54:28,760 --> 00:54:31,799
Speaker 1: his MoMA mentality in terms of like having that uh

1163
00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:35,480
Speaker 1: and being able to incorporate something like that into my

1164
00:54:35,840 --> 00:54:40,359
Speaker 1: professional mindset. Um. So Kobe would definitely be one of them.

1165
00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:45,759
Speaker 1: R I P. And then um from there, man, god ly,

1166
00:54:46,120 --> 00:54:49,200
Speaker 1: I would, Uh, I would. I'm a huge outcast fan

1167
00:54:49,360 --> 00:54:52,480
Speaker 1: from growing up, so Andre three thousand, I would definitely

1168
00:54:52,560 --> 00:54:57,440
Speaker 1: throw in there. Man, very ever one of the ever

1169
00:54:58,400 --> 00:55:02,680
Speaker 1: um from air dang Man. I know this is supposed

1170
00:55:02,680 --> 00:55:06,279
Speaker 1: to be quick, but godle, I can't even think this fast. Man. Um.

1171
00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:10,880
Speaker 1: Throw throw a fun guy in there, like Charles Barkley. Man,

1172
00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:12,600
Speaker 1: he's one of He's one of my favorite guys to

1173
00:55:12,680 --> 00:55:17,040
Speaker 1: be around. Just electrifies the room every time he walks

1174
00:55:17,080 --> 00:55:19,560
Speaker 1: in it. Um and never met Jordan Man. I might

1175
00:55:19,600 --> 00:55:21,120
Speaker 1: as well just get the dream team, man, Just bring

1176
00:55:21,160 --> 00:55:23,440
Speaker 1: the dream team on it and we'll figure it out

1177
00:55:23,480 --> 00:55:27,880
Speaker 1: from there. Larry Bird. I grew up in Cleveland, Man,

1178
00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:30,239
Speaker 1: so I heard the legend of Mark Price. Man, so

1179
00:55:30,480 --> 00:55:33,160
Speaker 1: you might as well throw Mark on there and keep

1180
00:55:33,200 --> 00:55:36,360
Speaker 1: it moving from there. Nic. That's dope, man. Well, Travis

1181
00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:38,719
Speaker 1: Kelsey Man, we appreciate your time. Best to luck the

1182
00:55:38,760 --> 00:55:41,680
Speaker 1: rest of the way, sir. And uh, let's get that

1183
00:55:41,800 --> 00:55:45,120
Speaker 1: sign jersey. You already know we'll get it. We'll get

1184
00:55:45,160 --> 00:55:46,879
Speaker 1: it a sap man, I'll get it to your a sap.

1185
00:55:46,960 --> 00:55:48,880
Speaker 1: It'll be it'll be a super Bowl jersey. Just so

1186
00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:55,359
Speaker 1: you know, appreciate it by you already know. That's a wrap.

1187
00:55:55,520 --> 00:55:57,680
Speaker 1: I want to thank our guest Travis Kelsey for his

1188
00:55:57,840 --> 00:55:59,960
Speaker 1: time today. You can catch this on Showtime a boat.

1189
00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:04,160
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1190
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1191
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