1 00:00:01,120 --> 00:00:01,560 Speaker 1: What is up? 2 00:00:01,560 --> 00:00:03,760 Speaker 2: Mets fans, Welcome back to another episode of The Mets 3 00:00:03,800 --> 00:00:07,320 Speaker 2: the Podcast Big One for the Boys, Episode number two fifty, 4 00:00:07,360 --> 00:00:09,920 Speaker 2: two hundred and fifty episodes. A lot to talk about here. 5 00:00:10,119 --> 00:00:12,880 Speaker 2: Shohatani is a Los Angeles Dodger. Juan Soto is a 6 00:00:12,880 --> 00:00:14,720 Speaker 2: New York Yankee. I know that has nothing to do 7 00:00:14,840 --> 00:00:16,560 Speaker 2: with the Mets, but it's gonna help set up the 8 00:00:16,600 --> 00:00:20,320 Speaker 2: conversation because the offseason, I think has now officially started. 9 00:00:20,360 --> 00:00:22,360 Speaker 2: With those guys off the board, we'll be able to 10 00:00:22,520 --> 00:00:24,920 Speaker 2: seriously now consider who the Mets can bring in. Who 11 00:00:24,920 --> 00:00:26,680 Speaker 2: are some big pieces that could be a part of 12 00:00:26,720 --> 00:00:28,800 Speaker 2: this team for the twenty twenty four season, as well 13 00:00:28,840 --> 00:00:30,680 Speaker 2: as just everything else going on in baseball. 14 00:00:30,720 --> 00:00:32,440 Speaker 1: You guys know the drill at this point. 15 00:00:32,600 --> 00:00:34,320 Speaker 2: If you're listening to us, make sure you follow us 16 00:00:34,320 --> 00:00:36,599 Speaker 2: on our social media at metst up, on Twitter, Instagram 17 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:38,800 Speaker 2: at TikTok. If you want to watch us YouTube, go 18 00:00:38,800 --> 00:00:41,080 Speaker 2: to the New York Mets YouTube channel and subscribe over there. 19 00:00:41,200 --> 00:00:44,320 Speaker 2: And if you're listening Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Google Podcasts, Odyssey, 20 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:47,200 Speaker 2: drop us a rating, drop us a review, download and subscribe. 21 00:00:47,360 --> 00:00:50,360 Speaker 1: James Big two to fifty. How we feeling two fifty 22 00:00:50,440 --> 00:00:50,720 Speaker 1: is great. 23 00:00:50,760 --> 00:00:53,000 Speaker 3: This is also messed up International Back with you guys 24 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:55,520 Speaker 3: for another episode. Since the summer, I'm on a nice 25 00:00:55,520 --> 00:00:57,480 Speaker 3: little euro trip right now. I'm in Lisbon, then I'm 26 00:00:57,480 --> 00:01:00,680 Speaker 3: going to London. It's in a literation vacation, so yeah, 27 00:01:00,680 --> 00:01:02,200 Speaker 3: it's right. If you're watching on YouTube, you see me 28 00:01:02,280 --> 00:01:04,400 Speaker 3: in some weird like baroque, red and black cabinets. This 29 00:01:04,480 --> 00:01:06,120 Speaker 3: kitchen had amazing lighting, so I'm doing this in the 30 00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:08,360 Speaker 3: kitchen right now, so shout out to this Airbnb is 31 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:08,720 Speaker 3: really good. 32 00:01:08,720 --> 00:01:11,000 Speaker 2: One. One thing that I've noticed in my time going 33 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:13,400 Speaker 2: to Europe a couple of different times is they're obsessed. 34 00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:15,000 Speaker 2: And if you're watching on YouTube, you'll be able to 35 00:01:15,040 --> 00:01:18,360 Speaker 2: see this. With the cabinets in the kitchen that open upwards, 36 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:21,839 Speaker 2: it doesn't make any sense. It feels like such bad design. 37 00:01:21,920 --> 00:01:24,240 Speaker 2: Can you even open those two cabinets at the same time. 38 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:27,480 Speaker 2: I don't think you can the one behind you based 39 00:01:27,520 --> 00:01:29,399 Speaker 2: on like that would have the ones that my wiring 40 00:01:29,480 --> 00:01:30,880 Speaker 2: right now, I'm not gonna try, but I think I 41 00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:31,400 Speaker 2: think you could. 42 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:33,000 Speaker 1: It looks like they're gonna hit. 43 00:01:33,319 --> 00:01:34,959 Speaker 3: It's kind of like how like all the really fancy 44 00:01:34,959 --> 00:01:36,400 Speaker 3: cars have the up and down doors where it's like 45 00:01:36,440 --> 00:01:37,520 Speaker 3: who in the world wants that? 46 00:01:38,160 --> 00:01:39,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, it doesn't make any sense. 47 00:01:39,440 --> 00:01:41,679 Speaker 2: Not a fan of it, but regardless, I'm glad to 48 00:01:41,680 --> 00:01:43,960 Speaker 2: have you here, even from Portugal. 49 00:01:44,959 --> 00:01:45,920 Speaker 1: A great place overall. 50 00:01:45,959 --> 00:01:48,440 Speaker 3: But as it has all been happening, like as I've 51 00:01:48,520 --> 00:01:50,280 Speaker 3: left for this trip, like the big news of baseball 52 00:01:50,280 --> 00:01:52,600 Speaker 3: sports in general, like everything kind of stopped over the 53 00:01:52,640 --> 00:01:55,920 Speaker 3: weekend when Chohio Tani signs his deal and it's just 54 00:01:56,120 --> 00:01:57,960 Speaker 3: like we just have to talk about it because of 55 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:01,240 Speaker 3: what it means for everything in baseball, everything almost in sports, 56 00:02:01,240 --> 00:02:04,040 Speaker 3: and almost happy that the timing of this podcast came 57 00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:05,360 Speaker 3: so we could talk about it now that we know 58 00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:07,080 Speaker 3: everything about it, rather than if we had just done 59 00:02:07,120 --> 00:02:09,280 Speaker 3: it right after it happened, you know, because I think 60 00:02:09,280 --> 00:02:11,560 Speaker 3: it's changed a lot since then. So it came out 61 00:02:11,560 --> 00:02:13,520 Speaker 3: in Saturday ten for seven hundred and that was like 62 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:16,520 Speaker 3: the money, and everyone was freaking out, like just conceptualizing 63 00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:18,560 Speaker 3: seven hundred million dollars. I think it's kind of insane, 64 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:20,240 Speaker 3: Like I don't even know what to think about that. 65 00:02:20,320 --> 00:02:22,800 Speaker 3: It's worth more than like he was apparently at that 66 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:24,400 Speaker 3: time going to make more annually, and like I think 67 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:27,000 Speaker 3: ten different teams like all low market teams more than 68 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:31,240 Speaker 3: most NHL franchises were guaranteed money in that deal, than 69 00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:33,600 Speaker 3: like most other sports. Think every other sport combined for 70 00:02:33,600 --> 00:02:35,639 Speaker 3: a period of time. No, not every sport. I think 71 00:02:35,639 --> 00:02:39,000 Speaker 3: maybe just each individual sport individually, but not combined something 72 00:02:39,080 --> 00:02:42,120 Speaker 3: like that. But all that shock value, everyone went crazy 73 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:45,839 Speaker 3: and then I don't know, it felt like that deal 74 00:02:45,960 --> 00:02:48,080 Speaker 3: was going to be a lot. And now what's come 75 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:49,680 Speaker 3: out in last couple of days with deferrals, I think 76 00:02:49,880 --> 00:02:51,480 Speaker 3: changes what it looks like a little bit. 77 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:53,560 Speaker 2: I mean, like yes and no, like at the end 78 00:02:53,600 --> 00:02:55,959 Speaker 2: of the day, like is it truthfully ten for seven 79 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:59,520 Speaker 2: hundred million, Yes, technically it is. Like at the end 80 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:01,840 Speaker 2: of the day, Shoejeo Tani is going to be receiving 81 00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:04,440 Speaker 2: seven hundred million dollars from the Los Angeles Dodgers. But 82 00:03:04,480 --> 00:03:06,480 Speaker 2: we now know that with the deferrals, it's going to 83 00:03:06,520 --> 00:03:09,120 Speaker 2: be two million dollars a year, which is insane, two 84 00:03:09,160 --> 00:03:10,840 Speaker 2: million dollars a year for the next ten years. So 85 00:03:11,320 --> 00:03:14,600 Speaker 2: to play, he's going to receive twenty million dollars over 86 00:03:14,600 --> 00:03:16,960 Speaker 2: the next ten years from the Dodgers. Shoeo Tani is 87 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:19,200 Speaker 2: able to do this because his off the field endorsements 88 00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:21,959 Speaker 2: and sponsorships are out of control. Obviously, one of the 89 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:24,600 Speaker 2: biggest stars on the entire planet, and he makes fifty 90 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:27,400 Speaker 2: million dollars a year simply from off the field stuff. 91 00:03:27,520 --> 00:03:29,880 Speaker 2: So that's why he was able to take the pay 92 00:03:29,880 --> 00:03:32,200 Speaker 2: cut per se and only take two million dollars, along 93 00:03:32,200 --> 00:03:34,600 Speaker 2: with the fact that he and the Dodgers both want 94 00:03:34,600 --> 00:03:37,320 Speaker 2: to still be able to build more around this team, 95 00:03:37,360 --> 00:03:40,480 Speaker 2: which sounds absolutely crazy out loud to say they want 96 00:03:40,480 --> 00:03:43,320 Speaker 2: to build more around Freddie Freeman, Mookie Bets, show Heotani, 97 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:45,040 Speaker 2: and Will Smith, but they want to be able to 98 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:47,360 Speaker 2: spend more without having as much as a a huge, 99 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:51,400 Speaker 2: you know, tax penalty that would be occurring if you 100 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:54,440 Speaker 2: were paying him seventy million dollars and sixty eight million 101 00:03:54,480 --> 00:03:57,800 Speaker 2: dollars a year for ten years after the contract is over. 102 00:03:58,280 --> 00:04:02,200 Speaker 2: So yeah, it's really it is ten for seven hundred million. 103 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:05,080 Speaker 2: It's just a little bit different. Everyone's freaking out about 104 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:08,280 Speaker 2: what the true value of this contract is because everyone's 105 00:04:08,320 --> 00:04:10,120 Speaker 2: trying to be a nerd and get all the clicks 106 00:04:10,120 --> 00:04:11,920 Speaker 2: that they possibly can on Twitter and stuff figuring out 107 00:04:11,920 --> 00:04:14,200 Speaker 2: the numbers. But I don't know, I don't really care. 108 00:04:14,240 --> 00:04:16,440 Speaker 2: Stel ten for seven hundred million dollars. They also are 109 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:20,240 Speaker 2: still getting hit for more than two million dollars a 110 00:04:20,279 --> 00:04:23,200 Speaker 2: year though, right, I believe on the tax. 111 00:04:23,279 --> 00:04:25,200 Speaker 3: And I like all the nerding out of it. Like 112 00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:28,080 Speaker 3: there was a great article by Mark's favorite baseball media member, 113 00:04:28,160 --> 00:04:30,479 Speaker 3: John Becker on Fangrafts about it. There was a great 114 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:32,760 Speaker 3: one by Lindsay Adler on Wall Street Journal. It was 115 00:04:32,760 --> 00:04:34,520 Speaker 3: a great one, but I think his name is Jordan Blum, 116 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:37,200 Speaker 3: a financial writer for the AP, and it was all about, 117 00:04:37,240 --> 00:04:40,279 Speaker 3: like all the nitty gritty of all the tax stuff, 118 00:04:40,400 --> 00:04:43,120 Speaker 3: all the deferrals. There were terms being thrown around like 119 00:04:43,200 --> 00:04:46,359 Speaker 3: imputed loan interest rate the ILR for those interested in 120 00:04:46,400 --> 00:04:48,960 Speaker 3: government economy, the real money value of the deal. People 121 00:04:48,960 --> 00:04:52,000 Speaker 3: talking about taxes and inflation, debt leverage because of how 122 00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:54,280 Speaker 3: much money the Dodgers are going to Otani in ten 123 00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:56,680 Speaker 3: years and what that actually means in terms of value 124 00:04:56,720 --> 00:04:58,160 Speaker 3: of the franchise, and how something like that could wind 125 00:04:58,240 --> 00:04:58,920 Speaker 3: up being negotiated. 126 00:04:58,920 --> 00:05:00,479 Speaker 1: I saw jayfree free. 127 00:05:00,320 --> 00:05:03,560 Speaker 3: Poster now though from baseball perspective, talking about that super interesting. 128 00:05:03,600 --> 00:05:05,080 Speaker 3: But at the end of the day, he is still 129 00:05:05,320 --> 00:05:07,880 Speaker 3: hitting the Dodgers tax for forty six million dollars a season, 130 00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:10,760 Speaker 3: which is still the highest in baseball. It broke bast 131 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:12,800 Speaker 3: the two barriers that we set the Mets with Max 132 00:05:12,839 --> 00:05:14,880 Speaker 3: Chers and Justin Verlander, which are about forty three forty 133 00:05:14,920 --> 00:05:15,479 Speaker 3: two million. 134 00:05:15,320 --> 00:05:15,800 Speaker 1: Dollars a year. 135 00:05:15,880 --> 00:05:18,560 Speaker 3: So as much as the two million dollar figures being 136 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:22,520 Speaker 3: thrown around, it's not really real, like that's his adjusted salary, 137 00:05:22,520 --> 00:05:24,800 Speaker 3: but they're still counting against their tax forty six million dollars. 138 00:05:24,839 --> 00:05:26,919 Speaker 3: I think that's why this is something that is not 139 00:05:27,200 --> 00:05:29,440 Speaker 3: like people were screaming they should be like vited by 140 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:32,200 Speaker 3: the league, But every single every single CBA like has 141 00:05:32,240 --> 00:05:34,000 Speaker 3: clauses that are like you can defer whatever you want, 142 00:05:34,040 --> 00:05:35,920 Speaker 3: like interest no interests, you could defer it. And the 143 00:05:35,920 --> 00:05:38,640 Speaker 3: players Union was like, yeah, he's seven hundred million dollars, 144 00:05:38,680 --> 00:05:40,400 Speaker 3: so like yeah, we're still gonna We're still gonna let 145 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:40,919 Speaker 3: him sign that. 146 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:44,440 Speaker 1: But it's funny on the Dodgers MLB roster right now. 147 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:46,960 Speaker 3: Then some of these are arbitrations, some of these are 148 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:49,800 Speaker 3: contracts projected by us bow Track. But there are only 149 00:05:49,839 --> 00:05:52,120 Speaker 3: four players MLB contracts who are projected to have a 150 00:05:52,120 --> 00:05:57,680 Speaker 3: lower adjusted salary than Shoaotani, and that's Yenzi al Monte Legend, Blake, Trianion, 151 00:05:57,760 --> 00:05:59,320 Speaker 3: JP Fire Rise and Alex Vessia. 152 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:02,080 Speaker 1: That was like trying to give it a little twang 153 00:06:02,080 --> 00:06:04,359 Speaker 1: to it, trinion I try, I try and try it 154 00:06:04,360 --> 00:06:06,560 Speaker 1: and trying and yeah, little twang. I mean, I mean, 155 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:10,240 Speaker 1: you're up in Portugal. That was a Portuguese trind in 156 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:12,719 Speaker 1: right there. Portugal. Portuguese is a crazy language. 157 00:06:12,760 --> 00:06:14,839 Speaker 3: I can't even like understand half the half of things 158 00:06:14,839 --> 00:06:18,200 Speaker 3: people are saying, Like it's because it's like it's around Spanish, 159 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:20,480 Speaker 3: but it's not Spanish. I understand Spanish pretty well, and 160 00:06:20,640 --> 00:06:22,040 Speaker 3: just like what it's like a lot of shows and 161 00:06:22,120 --> 00:06:23,200 Speaker 3: Jow's and Jesus. 162 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:24,599 Speaker 2: I was just saying, I feel like a lot of 163 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:27,280 Speaker 2: the words just feel like they're like mushed together, which maybe. 164 00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:28,960 Speaker 1: Is a little ignorant, but also at the same time, 165 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:29,880 Speaker 1: like that's what sounds like. 166 00:06:30,040 --> 00:06:34,360 Speaker 3: I don't think any language on Earth uses more xes. Yeah, 167 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:37,440 Speaker 3: exes per exes per, leather, total leather. I think it's 168 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:40,640 Speaker 3: off the charts. But it's just this is fascinating again, 169 00:06:40,640 --> 00:06:42,039 Speaker 3: like Mark Chastising, a nerdiness. 170 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:44,040 Speaker 1: I love the nerdiness. Like, look up those I was 171 00:06:44,040 --> 00:06:45,680 Speaker 1: talking about because they're interesting. It's super interesting. 172 00:06:45,720 --> 00:06:47,680 Speaker 3: And it's also I think it's interesting the baseball sets 173 00:06:47,680 --> 00:06:49,560 Speaker 3: because like when he signed these deals, it kind of 174 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:52,600 Speaker 3: felt like they smushed the Garrett Cole and Aaron Judge 175 00:06:52,640 --> 00:06:55,240 Speaker 3: contracts together and then threw fifty million dollars on top, 176 00:06:55,480 --> 00:06:56,919 Speaker 3: which I was like, Wow, So they do think he 177 00:06:57,040 --> 00:06:58,760 Speaker 3: might be still like the best picture and the best 178 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:00,560 Speaker 3: hitter in the league. I think now that like the 179 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:02,719 Speaker 3: real value of it comes down to more like ten 180 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:04,960 Speaker 3: four hundred and sixty million based on like the real 181 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:07,039 Speaker 3: money ish when you kind of for like inflation all 182 00:07:07,080 --> 00:07:09,200 Speaker 3: the changing stuff and the tax the way it's affecting 183 00:07:09,240 --> 00:07:11,400 Speaker 3: the actual tax. But they're actually gonna pay him for 184 00:07:11,960 --> 00:07:14,080 Speaker 3: what their roster means year of the year. I think 185 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:15,760 Speaker 3: that makes more sense. It was more like what kind 186 00:07:15,760 --> 00:07:16,560 Speaker 3: of people expected. 187 00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:20,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I don't know like to that regard 188 00:07:20,720 --> 00:07:23,200 Speaker 2: about how much like whether or not this affects like 189 00:07:23,280 --> 00:07:24,880 Speaker 2: what you think of him as a pitcher per se. 190 00:07:25,160 --> 00:07:26,720 Speaker 2: We'll have to see when he comes back from Tommy 191 00:07:26,800 --> 00:07:28,480 Speaker 2: John surgery after this upcoming season. 192 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:29,400 Speaker 1: Also interesting to. 193 00:07:29,520 --> 00:07:33,120 Speaker 2: Note if he is not going to pitch, or maybe 194 00:07:33,160 --> 00:07:34,960 Speaker 2: he's not as effective a pitching, do they try him 195 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:37,720 Speaker 2: back in the outfield because you're probably not just paying 196 00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:40,320 Speaker 2: a DH forty six million dollars theoretically a year. 197 00:07:40,400 --> 00:07:42,520 Speaker 3: I think probably, And there's no reason that he can't 198 00:07:42,520 --> 00:07:45,200 Speaker 3: be literally one of the best outfielders in the entire league. 199 00:07:45,200 --> 00:07:46,880 Speaker 3: Like you could even put him in center field like 200 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:49,680 Speaker 3: Dodgers did. Dollg just did this years ago Cody Bellinger, 201 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:51,400 Speaker 3: and he became one of the best center fielders in baseball. 202 00:07:51,440 --> 00:07:53,520 Speaker 3: And it was different because Bellinger was like twenty three. 203 00:07:53,560 --> 00:07:56,280 Speaker 3: You know, Tony's gonna be approaching thirty. But like he's 204 00:07:56,400 --> 00:07:58,480 Speaker 3: lightning fast. He has an amazing arm, Like I think 205 00:07:58,520 --> 00:08:00,600 Speaker 3: every instinct he has in a baseball field amazing, Like 206 00:08:00,640 --> 00:08:04,760 Speaker 3: maybe or maybe he just becomes like like part time dage, 207 00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:07,160 Speaker 3: part time outfielder and like part time relief high leverage 208 00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:09,160 Speaker 3: relief pitcher, Like you can find ways to they get 209 00:08:09,200 --> 00:08:10,840 Speaker 3: to where like, oh, this is definitely worth forty six. 210 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:12,600 Speaker 1: Million dollars against our tax like that. 211 00:08:12,800 --> 00:08:15,480 Speaker 3: But it's really interesting and from baseball perspective, like it's 212 00:08:15,520 --> 00:08:17,680 Speaker 3: the whole thing is just completely fascinating top to bottom. 213 00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:20,040 Speaker 3: The fact that he was so upfront basically that he 214 00:08:20,160 --> 00:08:21,520 Speaker 3: kind of only seemed like he wanted to play for 215 00:08:21,560 --> 00:08:23,680 Speaker 3: the Dodgers, the craziness with the Blue Jays thing. At 216 00:08:23,680 --> 00:08:26,040 Speaker 3: the end of the time, it's been reported that there 217 00:08:26,080 --> 00:08:28,040 Speaker 3: just wasn't really that much serious interest from other teams 218 00:08:28,040 --> 00:08:29,840 Speaker 3: because he seemed like he was never going to leave 219 00:08:29,880 --> 00:08:30,680 Speaker 3: southern California. 220 00:08:30,840 --> 00:08:33,720 Speaker 2: Have you heard the conspiracy theory, Yeah, some great ones 221 00:08:34,360 --> 00:08:37,680 Speaker 2: about Robert Herjevek being part of the same agency that 222 00:08:37,760 --> 00:08:39,880 Speaker 2: show he had and this was all a plan. I 223 00:08:39,920 --> 00:08:42,200 Speaker 2: mean if that, if that is the case, it's one 224 00:08:42,240 --> 00:08:44,720 Speaker 2: of the greatest heists in sports history right here. 225 00:08:44,880 --> 00:08:46,680 Speaker 3: Whatever it is, we probably will never know, like what 226 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:49,280 Speaker 3: fully happened on that faithful day when Yusai Kakuchi rented 227 00:08:49,320 --> 00:08:51,880 Speaker 3: out a sushi restaurant in Toronto, But the Blue Jays 228 00:08:51,920 --> 00:08:53,240 Speaker 3: might have even thought they had him, like they might 229 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:55,160 Speaker 3: have not have been lying. But what we have to 230 00:08:55,200 --> 00:08:57,360 Speaker 3: take from this now as Mets fans and as people 231 00:08:57,400 --> 00:08:58,880 Speaker 3: were just ready for the rest of the off season 232 00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:00,760 Speaker 3: begin because it's been stacked they at the top by 233 00:09:00,760 --> 00:09:03,439 Speaker 3: as Mark said, and want so tho who's now Yankee? 234 00:09:03,480 --> 00:09:04,640 Speaker 1: I don't really want to give that much more of 235 00:09:04,679 --> 00:09:05,160 Speaker 1: the time of day. 236 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:07,480 Speaker 3: Besides that, Mark and I have very different opinions on 237 00:09:07,520 --> 00:09:09,959 Speaker 3: the trade, but bottom lines like Yankees got one of 238 00:09:09,960 --> 00:09:11,480 Speaker 3: the best players in baseball for a bunch of depth. 239 00:09:11,720 --> 00:09:16,319 Speaker 1: Whatever. Well, this whole this whole thing's unprecedented. 240 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:18,520 Speaker 3: And the bottom line is, right now, the Dodgers have 241 00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:20,760 Speaker 3: a two hundred and seventeen million dollar tax payroll and 242 00:09:20,760 --> 00:09:23,000 Speaker 3: that's still seventeen million dollars short of where the first 243 00:09:23,040 --> 00:09:25,720 Speaker 3: penalty is for the CBT. So they have a lot 244 00:09:25,720 --> 00:09:27,560 Speaker 3: of the room to make a big impact. And did 245 00:09:27,600 --> 00:09:30,880 Speaker 3: you know the Dodgers projected rotation right now, it's not great. 246 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:35,880 Speaker 1: It's Bobby Miller, uh, Tony Gonslan. 247 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:38,000 Speaker 3: Maybe kind of still come back from injury, Walker Buell 248 00:09:38,559 --> 00:09:42,360 Speaker 3: coming off a second, Timmy John, Ryan Pepio, Emma Chian 249 00:09:42,480 --> 00:09:45,920 Speaker 3: and Ryan Yarborough. So yes, and now they have a 250 00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:47,720 Speaker 3: lot of money to possibly make a splash. Why are 251 00:09:47,720 --> 00:09:49,720 Speaker 3: we talking about that, because as we transition out talking 252 00:09:49,720 --> 00:09:51,840 Speaker 3: about the rest of the off season, now that So's 253 00:09:51,880 --> 00:09:54,080 Speaker 3: off the board, Now though Tiny's off the board, everything 254 00:09:54,160 --> 00:09:57,280 Speaker 3: is now all eyes, all spotlights on Yoshunobu Yambo though, 255 00:09:57,400 --> 00:10:00,760 Speaker 3: who's been taking meetings reportedly all week, who's been back 256 00:10:00,760 --> 00:10:03,400 Speaker 3: and forth between Japan the United States. Still a lot 257 00:10:03,400 --> 00:10:04,800 Speaker 3: of teams vying for a service as a lot of 258 00:10:04,800 --> 00:10:08,079 Speaker 3: teams been connected to him. This seems like the thing 259 00:10:08,120 --> 00:10:09,720 Speaker 3: that's now going to be like this is the last 260 00:10:09,760 --> 00:10:12,360 Speaker 3: piece of like molasses that's slowing down the offseason, and 261 00:10:12,360 --> 00:10:13,920 Speaker 3: once this frees up everything, I feel like it's a 262 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:14,640 Speaker 3: trickle last of it. 263 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:17,040 Speaker 1: But like everyone's still totally on Yamo. They wash it 264 00:10:17,080 --> 00:10:19,240 Speaker 1: out for the next week or so. Oh yeah, one 265 00:10:19,280 --> 00:10:19,760 Speaker 1: hundred percent. 266 00:10:19,800 --> 00:10:22,360 Speaker 2: And I mean there's obviously been a bunch of different 267 00:10:22,400 --> 00:10:24,800 Speaker 2: rumors and stuff going around about who's interested who's not. 268 00:10:25,800 --> 00:10:27,839 Speaker 2: I think you just take it as probably everybody in 269 00:10:27,920 --> 00:10:29,960 Speaker 2: baseball that can afford to pay him this much money 270 00:10:30,080 --> 00:10:31,599 Speaker 2: is going to be interested in him. I think the 271 00:10:31,679 --> 00:10:34,439 Speaker 2: show Heyo Tani deal definitely puts the Dodgers way more 272 00:10:34,480 --> 00:10:37,400 Speaker 2: in play than we thought they were originally, especially when 273 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:39,719 Speaker 2: Otani and the Dodgers are talking about it's they're doing 274 00:10:39,760 --> 00:10:42,240 Speaker 2: this contract so like can spend more and improve upon 275 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:44,920 Speaker 2: the team. Where do they need the most help pitching, which, 276 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:46,480 Speaker 2: just like the Mets, we also need help on the 277 00:10:46,520 --> 00:10:49,120 Speaker 2: pitching side. The Yankees are gonna be interested, like all 278 00:10:49,240 --> 00:10:50,160 Speaker 2: the big spenders. 279 00:10:49,880 --> 00:10:51,280 Speaker 1: Are gonna be there. It's gonna come down to where 280 00:10:51,320 --> 00:10:51,840 Speaker 1: he wants. 281 00:10:51,679 --> 00:10:54,440 Speaker 2: To go simply is that I think he's probably gonna 282 00:10:54,440 --> 00:10:56,760 Speaker 2: get the most money from those three teams right there. 283 00:10:56,840 --> 00:10:59,000 Speaker 2: They'll probably offer them the biggest contracts, maybe the Giants 284 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:00,800 Speaker 2: as well or the Red Sox, And it's gonna be 285 00:11:00,840 --> 00:11:04,360 Speaker 2: what team does he want to play for? Mets, Dodgers, 286 00:11:04,720 --> 00:11:07,319 Speaker 2: and Red Sox will have Japanese players on there. We 287 00:11:07,400 --> 00:11:09,360 Speaker 2: know that jam Moto said he would be very open 288 00:11:09,360 --> 00:11:12,959 Speaker 2: to playing with Japanese players. Yankees and Giants do not, 289 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:15,160 Speaker 2: which seemed like the other two favorites right now in. 290 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:17,600 Speaker 1: Like the top five. It's weird. 291 00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:21,680 Speaker 2: It's weird, especially because when the news is coming mostly 292 00:11:21,760 --> 00:11:25,040 Speaker 2: from Japan, Like I know from my Japanese friend that 293 00:11:25,160 --> 00:11:27,000 Speaker 2: the news that they report over there and the news 294 00:11:27,040 --> 00:11:29,520 Speaker 2: that we get over here sometimes is very different. It's 295 00:11:29,559 --> 00:11:33,319 Speaker 2: a little more private, but more in depth. Like on 296 00:11:33,400 --> 00:11:35,240 Speaker 2: the Japanese side, we're over here, it's a little more 297 00:11:35,280 --> 00:11:37,720 Speaker 2: tabloidy and just trying to grab headlines and names. 298 00:11:38,480 --> 00:11:40,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think I mean part of what you're saying. Also, 299 00:11:40,679 --> 00:11:43,079 Speaker 3: there was from a side note, we're just mentioning. You know, 300 00:11:43,960 --> 00:11:45,920 Speaker 3: Kodai Sanga had a great interview on I think he 301 00:11:45,960 --> 00:11:48,240 Speaker 3: pronounced it the yaqu Cosmopolitan that threat that I sent 302 00:11:48,280 --> 00:11:48,880 Speaker 3: you on Twitter. 303 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:50,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, just a great interview, a great thread. 304 00:11:51,040 --> 00:11:52,880 Speaker 3: You can't really watch it because it's in Japanese, but 305 00:11:53,040 --> 00:11:55,720 Speaker 3: if someone transcribed it this Twitter account, He's very good 306 00:11:55,760 --> 00:11:59,080 Speaker 3: for Japanese news. Consistently amazing listening to him talk about 307 00:11:59,120 --> 00:12:01,840 Speaker 3: like spending the year, getting used to pitching in America, 308 00:12:01,920 --> 00:12:03,839 Speaker 3: being in America, being in New York, being on the road, 309 00:12:03,920 --> 00:12:05,120 Speaker 3: just talking about a lot of things. I feel like 310 00:12:05,160 --> 00:12:07,480 Speaker 3: we've discussed in this podcast that a lot of people 311 00:12:07,520 --> 00:12:09,560 Speaker 3: don't realize some of these Japanese players that come over 312 00:12:09,679 --> 00:12:11,120 Speaker 3: deal with And one of the big thing is is 313 00:12:11,200 --> 00:12:12,040 Speaker 3: the ball is different. 314 00:12:12,320 --> 00:12:14,280 Speaker 1: They still use a pre tacked ball in the MPB 315 00:12:14,559 --> 00:12:15,640 Speaker 1: and in America we do not. 316 00:12:15,800 --> 00:12:17,319 Speaker 3: Cod I mentioned how that was tough for him for 317 00:12:17,400 --> 00:12:19,959 Speaker 3: his control early, and I've been reading there was a 318 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:21,800 Speaker 3: great article that you know, Sarah's but that's today in 319 00:12:21,800 --> 00:12:24,120 Speaker 3: the Athletic about like scatthing yamamo tho and like using 320 00:12:24,200 --> 00:12:28,240 Speaker 3: pitch grades and pitch movement, release height, like velocity, every 321 00:12:28,240 --> 00:12:29,920 Speaker 3: single thing to try and like give him major League 322 00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:33,480 Speaker 3: Baseball comps. And something that's interesting about Japanese pitching too 323 00:12:33,559 --> 00:12:35,439 Speaker 3: is that I think show how I also not showing 324 00:12:35,520 --> 00:12:37,720 Speaker 3: god Japanese pitches on the mind that cod I also 325 00:12:37,800 --> 00:12:41,120 Speaker 3: talked about is that they almost always pitching controlled environments 326 00:12:41,160 --> 00:12:43,199 Speaker 3: and domes, and he really really had to get used to, 327 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:45,599 Speaker 3: he said, pitching in humidity, which is something that like 328 00:12:45,800 --> 00:12:47,920 Speaker 3: and pitching and driver weather pitching and wet weather like. 329 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:50,240 Speaker 3: The seasons changed, the months changed, and we saw that 330 00:12:50,400 --> 00:12:51,920 Speaker 3: CODI took him a few months to really get his 331 00:12:51,960 --> 00:12:54,640 Speaker 3: feet under him, and then he was basically unstoppable. But 332 00:12:55,880 --> 00:12:57,560 Speaker 3: a lot of stuff there, Yambo, though, and I still 333 00:12:57,600 --> 00:13:00,800 Speaker 3: think that it's worth having a conversation about who he 334 00:13:00,960 --> 00:13:02,720 Speaker 3: is and what he can be in the league because 335 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:05,400 Speaker 3: by all accounts I get if anyone has doesn't have 336 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:08,240 Speaker 3: scription athletic she got one. Read this article by Eno Sarus, 337 00:13:08,240 --> 00:13:10,600 Speaker 3: He's pitching whisper one of my inspirations in baseball analysis. 338 00:13:10,600 --> 00:13:11,760 Speaker 3: One of the first people I read and was like, Oh, 339 00:13:11,800 --> 00:13:12,920 Speaker 3: this is a really cool thing. I really want to 340 00:13:12,960 --> 00:13:15,800 Speaker 3: be able to do this a lot. The stuff is amazing. 341 00:13:15,880 --> 00:13:17,800 Speaker 3: We've talked about that a few times this podcast. He 342 00:13:18,280 --> 00:13:20,760 Speaker 3: sat ninety six ninety seven WBC, but he didn't have 343 00:13:20,760 --> 00:13:22,640 Speaker 3: an Now think that spend more than fifty five pitches, 344 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:24,280 Speaker 3: so you have to kind of push that down. We'll 345 00:13:24,280 --> 00:13:26,000 Speaker 3: probably sit between ninety four and ninety six, which is 346 00:13:26,040 --> 00:13:29,040 Speaker 3: still amazing, very similar physics to Code I. Sanga's fastball, 347 00:13:29,080 --> 00:13:31,560 Speaker 3: where there's more run than ride as like a two seemer, 348 00:13:31,600 --> 00:13:33,319 Speaker 3: but still comes in so hard and the command of 349 00:13:33,480 --> 00:13:35,480 Speaker 3: is still so good that it's definitely expected to be 350 00:13:35,480 --> 00:13:38,320 Speaker 3: a plus pitch. And then the devastating curveball and splayer 351 00:13:38,360 --> 00:13:40,840 Speaker 3: that could be two of the best off speed pitches 352 00:13:40,880 --> 00:13:43,040 Speaker 3: breaking balls in the whole league. And like just that 353 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:45,679 Speaker 3: right there is like this is probably going to be 354 00:13:46,280 --> 00:13:48,520 Speaker 3: one of the best pitches in baseball. Potential ace the 355 00:13:48,559 --> 00:13:51,000 Speaker 3: second he walks in, and that's why all these teams 356 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:53,920 Speaker 3: are lining up to give him. Rumors are coming out 357 00:13:53,960 --> 00:13:55,720 Speaker 3: right now, two hundred even three hundred million dollars, one 358 00:13:55,720 --> 00:13:57,679 Speaker 3: of the highest contracts has ever ever been given for 359 00:13:57,720 --> 00:13:59,600 Speaker 3: a pitcher, for a player in the history of baseball, 360 00:13:59,760 --> 00:14:02,839 Speaker 3: which seems crazy, But Ben Cherrington had a quote in 361 00:14:02,880 --> 00:14:05,400 Speaker 3: this article they gave the EMO, and I think Ben 362 00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:07,920 Speaker 3: Charrington's a really useful piece of this, not because the 363 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:10,800 Speaker 3: Pirates are anywhere involved in these negotiations, you know, because 364 00:14:10,840 --> 00:14:12,679 Speaker 3: he was part of the front office with the Red 365 00:14:12,760 --> 00:14:14,640 Speaker 3: Sox like ten years ago now with twelve years ago 366 00:14:14,679 --> 00:14:16,280 Speaker 3: now that gave Dice came out to Usaka one of 367 00:14:16,280 --> 00:14:18,400 Speaker 3: the first contracts of this time, and he said, then 368 00:14:18,440 --> 00:14:20,080 Speaker 3: it was like we had all statistics. We knew we 369 00:14:20,080 --> 00:14:22,240 Speaker 3: couldn't really take those seriously because people in the MP 370 00:14:22,360 --> 00:14:23,640 Speaker 3: they don't strike out, they don't hit home run. 371 00:14:23,640 --> 00:14:24,960 Speaker 1: Its very different the Major League Baseball. 372 00:14:25,440 --> 00:14:26,760 Speaker 3: So then what we had to do is like we 373 00:14:26,840 --> 00:14:28,600 Speaker 3: had to scout pitches, We had to look at pitches, 374 00:14:28,680 --> 00:14:30,520 Speaker 3: use raidar guns over there, and like you still get that, 375 00:14:30,600 --> 00:14:32,520 Speaker 3: but he still didn't have any kind of data like 376 00:14:32,600 --> 00:14:34,400 Speaker 3: we have now when we look at pitches. 377 00:14:34,400 --> 00:14:36,160 Speaker 1: And he said, now you. 378 00:14:36,200 --> 00:14:37,840 Speaker 3: Don't really have to be that scary of about it 379 00:14:37,920 --> 00:14:40,680 Speaker 3: because we have so much per pitch data, Like we 380 00:14:40,800 --> 00:14:43,120 Speaker 3: have pitch great evaluation, and we know every single thing 381 00:14:43,160 --> 00:14:45,600 Speaker 3: about all these pitches now, so it's much less of 382 00:14:45,720 --> 00:14:48,120 Speaker 3: like a mystery shrouded than secrecy. Like Dice came out 383 00:14:48,120 --> 00:14:49,880 Speaker 3: to Suzaka with his gyro ball and like they were 384 00:14:49,880 --> 00:14:51,560 Speaker 3: doing they were interviews with like all these people in 385 00:14:51,640 --> 00:14:54,000 Speaker 3: his life, trying to do a character analysis, where now 386 00:14:54,080 --> 00:14:57,280 Speaker 3: it's just a totally different ballgame with acquiring someone from overseas. 387 00:14:58,040 --> 00:15:00,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, and young Moto is also doing something like I've 388 00:15:01,040 --> 00:15:02,240 Speaker 2: been a little bit of a devil's advocate. 389 00:15:02,280 --> 00:15:04,400 Speaker 1: I still think like the stuff is great. I'm not 390 00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:05,440 Speaker 1: gonna pretend like it's not. 391 00:15:05,600 --> 00:15:08,920 Speaker 2: I'm not like Yoshinobu Yamoto would love him on the Mets, 392 00:15:08,960 --> 00:15:11,480 Speaker 2: would take him any day of the week, being devil's advocate, 393 00:15:11,640 --> 00:15:13,720 Speaker 2: just like interesting things about him. Because, like you said, 394 00:15:14,080 --> 00:15:16,160 Speaker 2: we now have all this information, we can kind of 395 00:15:16,200 --> 00:15:19,080 Speaker 2: backtrack a little bit too now to compare what Yamamoto 396 00:15:19,160 --> 00:15:21,680 Speaker 2: looks like towards other major league pitchers. And for a 397 00:15:21,720 --> 00:15:23,440 Speaker 2: guy who is a little bit smaller in size, he's 398 00:15:23,480 --> 00:15:25,240 Speaker 2: five to ten, like one hundred and sixty five hundred 399 00:15:25,240 --> 00:15:27,200 Speaker 2: and seventy pounds, let's push it out to five ten 400 00:15:27,240 --> 00:15:30,040 Speaker 2: point eighty. There has never really been a picture in 401 00:15:30,080 --> 00:15:33,160 Speaker 2: the last like thirty forty years that had similar size 402 00:15:33,160 --> 00:15:36,000 Speaker 2: to him, that has had a long stretch of success. 403 00:15:36,040 --> 00:15:38,760 Speaker 2: You have Marcus Stroman that's pretty much the most successful one. 404 00:15:38,920 --> 00:15:40,440 Speaker 2: You're looking at like a Mike Leak who had a 405 00:15:40,480 --> 00:15:42,120 Speaker 2: great major league career but was never one of the 406 00:15:42,160 --> 00:15:44,920 Speaker 2: best pictures. They don't have the stuff though the Yamamoto has, 407 00:15:45,040 --> 00:15:46,800 Speaker 2: like that's just that's quantifiable. 408 00:15:46,920 --> 00:15:48,560 Speaker 1: You can see they're not the same. 409 00:15:48,840 --> 00:15:50,920 Speaker 2: If you go back in the history of baseball, Whitey 410 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:53,280 Speaker 2: Ford is probably like the best guy who fits those 411 00:15:53,320 --> 00:15:56,440 Speaker 2: parameters or less that has been successful. But then you 412 00:15:56,600 --> 00:15:58,840 Speaker 2: just bump it up like one inchin you got Pedro Martinez, 413 00:15:58,880 --> 00:16:01,040 Speaker 2: you have Tim Linsecum, like you have a lot similar 414 00:16:01,120 --> 00:16:03,200 Speaker 2: pictures who have similar stuff as well. 415 00:16:03,520 --> 00:16:04,520 Speaker 1: You have roy Oswall too. 416 00:16:04,520 --> 00:16:06,080 Speaker 3: I think he's someone that slept on and you even 417 00:16:06,120 --> 00:16:08,920 Speaker 3: have Sonny Gray who he's again he's someone who struggled 418 00:16:08,920 --> 00:16:10,200 Speaker 3: with their ability, but we saw him just get another 419 00:16:10,240 --> 00:16:11,840 Speaker 3: luke of the contract of Sauso, who just saw him 420 00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:13,760 Speaker 3: have another amazing season this past year for the Twins, 421 00:16:13,840 --> 00:16:16,120 Speaker 3: and there is there are definitely ways to be successful 422 00:16:16,120 --> 00:16:17,640 Speaker 3: when you're this size. No one's saying that at all, 423 00:16:17,680 --> 00:16:21,480 Speaker 3: but just I think the question then becomes not how successful, 424 00:16:21,520 --> 00:16:24,600 Speaker 3: because there's no doubt that for especially in his prime, 425 00:16:24,640 --> 00:16:26,680 Speaker 3: Like this is also unprecedented because we don't usually seen 426 00:16:26,760 --> 00:16:29,440 Speaker 3: pictures yes signed contracts at twenty five years of age. 427 00:16:29,560 --> 00:16:30,880 Speaker 3: There was one guy who was going to do that 428 00:16:30,920 --> 00:16:32,960 Speaker 3: and he tragically passed away in something that also like 429 00:16:33,040 --> 00:16:35,360 Speaker 3: never get over in Jose Fernandez. So this is totally 430 00:16:35,400 --> 00:16:37,800 Speaker 3: unprecedented for how old he is, how hard he throws, 431 00:16:37,800 --> 00:16:40,640 Speaker 3: and when he's hitting free agency, Like if Pedro Martinez 432 00:16:40,680 --> 00:16:42,400 Speaker 3: was twenty five years old with his stats, he would 433 00:16:42,400 --> 00:16:45,200 Speaker 3: have broken every single record free agency ever like it was. Yeah, 434 00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:48,960 Speaker 3: of course, especially especially in these times too plus differnends 435 00:16:48,960 --> 00:16:51,080 Speaker 3: with have reached free agency, he would have made hundreds 436 00:16:51,080 --> 00:16:52,680 Speaker 3: of millions of dollars, Like, there's no question about that. 437 00:16:52,760 --> 00:16:54,680 Speaker 3: So that's why this con it's hard to have this 438 00:16:54,760 --> 00:16:58,120 Speaker 3: conversation where because there's no there's no press in for hissult, 439 00:16:58,120 --> 00:16:59,720 Speaker 3: there's absolutely no context whatsoever. 440 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:01,880 Speaker 1: And another interesting tidbit. 441 00:17:01,640 --> 00:17:03,400 Speaker 3: That you know had in this article on the Athletic 442 00:17:03,520 --> 00:17:07,000 Speaker 3: is that the shortest pitcher ever to sign a contract 443 00:17:07,040 --> 00:17:09,040 Speaker 3: that was guaranteed one hundred and seventy five million dollars 444 00:17:09,359 --> 00:17:11,960 Speaker 3: is Zach Granki and he's six to two. He has four, 445 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:14,040 Speaker 3: if not five inches on Yamo though, which is interesting 446 00:17:14,080 --> 00:17:15,879 Speaker 3: but doesn't really mean Again, Yamo's not gonna be good 447 00:17:15,880 --> 00:17:18,280 Speaker 3: because I think by all accounts, like his fastest stuff 448 00:17:18,320 --> 00:17:20,320 Speaker 3: is good, his splither and his curve ball are all 449 00:17:20,359 --> 00:17:22,240 Speaker 3: going to be top notch pitches in the entire league. 450 00:17:22,680 --> 00:17:24,880 Speaker 3: He's coming over with an extra pitch on what Koda 451 00:17:24,960 --> 00:17:26,959 Speaker 3: Sanga came with and kod no one could touch him 452 00:17:27,080 --> 00:17:28,760 Speaker 3: and Kode had the ghost fork and that was amazing. 453 00:17:28,800 --> 00:17:30,879 Speaker 3: Code Also in that interview, you talked about how welcome 454 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:33,720 Speaker 3: he felt by people merchandising the ghost fork. He says, 455 00:17:33,800 --> 00:17:35,360 Speaker 3: shot out, you guys, Mets fans. We put a bunch 456 00:17:35,359 --> 00:17:37,440 Speaker 3: of people on on Instagram and toy stuff this season, 457 00:17:37,520 --> 00:17:39,520 Speaker 3: but people like doing ghost fork things in the stands, 458 00:17:39,600 --> 00:17:41,359 Speaker 3: really like brought the spirits up. 459 00:17:41,359 --> 00:17:42,720 Speaker 1: So we've got to do more that next year. That's 460 00:17:42,760 --> 00:17:44,440 Speaker 1: that's the for all Mets fans out there. 461 00:17:44,520 --> 00:17:47,760 Speaker 3: But Noamo didn't have that one maze amazing pitch, but 462 00:17:47,840 --> 00:17:49,920 Speaker 3: he has two different ones, and the two pitches also 463 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:51,720 Speaker 3: move up and down, and they also move a lot. 464 00:17:52,359 --> 00:17:54,640 Speaker 3: No splither in the Major League is being thrown ninety 465 00:17:54,640 --> 00:17:56,280 Speaker 3: miles an hour with thirty inches of drop. It's not 466 00:17:56,440 --> 00:17:59,400 Speaker 3: that's like, that's unprecedented. And like the fact that even 467 00:17:59,440 --> 00:18:03,440 Speaker 3: Jandan No apparently that's what you know, said this article. 468 00:18:03,440 --> 00:18:05,399 Speaker 3: It's all come straight from the article right here, and 469 00:18:05,840 --> 00:18:07,960 Speaker 3: that's like something. And the fact that both those pitches, 470 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:09,520 Speaker 3: the curveball and the splil are also up and down 471 00:18:09,560 --> 00:18:11,520 Speaker 3: pitch is that we're not worried about lefty righty thing. 472 00:18:11,560 --> 00:18:14,280 Speaker 3: We talked about Shotto say the last name for me 473 00:18:14,320 --> 00:18:17,760 Speaker 3: again the naga shotto imanaga about how as a lefty 474 00:18:17,800 --> 00:18:20,080 Speaker 3: he throws pitches that go inward. To write these might 475 00:18:20,240 --> 00:18:22,200 Speaker 3: he might need another weapon to really like reach the 476 00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:24,840 Speaker 3: next levels of picture, similar to how Codai found that 477 00:18:24,920 --> 00:18:26,640 Speaker 3: color as his next weapon to give the third pitch, 478 00:18:26,680 --> 00:18:28,600 Speaker 3: give a little more texture to his repertoire, and then 479 00:18:28,600 --> 00:18:31,000 Speaker 3: he completely took off. Emo doesn't really have that issue, 480 00:18:31,080 --> 00:18:32,600 Speaker 3: Like there's no doubt that he's going to be an 481 00:18:32,600 --> 00:18:34,320 Speaker 3: ace when he steps on the rubber, I think, I 482 00:18:34,400 --> 00:18:36,879 Speaker 3: think personally, the question is that when you get five 483 00:18:36,920 --> 00:18:38,639 Speaker 3: six years down the line, how the body holds up. 484 00:18:38,680 --> 00:18:41,000 Speaker 3: And there's no way to know that because maybe he's 485 00:18:41,040 --> 00:18:43,040 Speaker 3: more likely to get hurt because he is smaller, but 486 00:18:43,119 --> 00:18:46,200 Speaker 3: also has got hurt yet in Japan he had one injury, 487 00:18:46,320 --> 00:18:48,280 Speaker 3: one stint on their injured list with an oblique injury 488 00:18:48,920 --> 00:18:50,480 Speaker 3: in twenty nineteen, four years ago. 489 00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:51,960 Speaker 1: He's been a clean bill of health since. 490 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:55,359 Speaker 3: So while size is a good indicator of getting of injury, 491 00:18:55,440 --> 00:18:58,960 Speaker 3: especially for a picture, there's no better indicated than past injury, 492 00:18:59,359 --> 00:19:01,480 Speaker 3: since someone just not being injury prone. And I think 493 00:19:01,520 --> 00:19:03,480 Speaker 3: that all this comes together and again like he's like 494 00:19:03,520 --> 00:19:05,919 Speaker 3: a total unicorn in terms of what he is as 495 00:19:05,920 --> 00:19:08,600 Speaker 3: a free agent case. And it's interesting because even as 496 00:19:08,600 --> 00:19:11,399 Speaker 3: all's was happening, and all news on all news was 497 00:19:11,440 --> 00:19:14,360 Speaker 3: on Shoho Tani, Roki Sasaki, the other young Japanese flamethrowing 498 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:16,639 Speaker 3: Sam just tried to get posted. He was like, just 499 00:19:16,760 --> 00:19:18,000 Speaker 3: let me out of here, like I want to be 500 00:19:18,040 --> 00:19:19,600 Speaker 3: a part of all this fun too, And that would 501 00:19:19,600 --> 00:19:22,080 Speaker 3: be more similar to Atani, where he'd be signing a 502 00:19:22,119 --> 00:19:24,480 Speaker 3: contract still as like someone who hasn't fulfilled I don't 503 00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:27,160 Speaker 3: know exact terminology, but they still he still hasn't fulfilled 504 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:31,120 Speaker 3: his MPB requirements to actually be posted his service time, yeah, 505 00:19:31,160 --> 00:19:33,000 Speaker 3: service time, So he'd be coming over an amateur deal 506 00:19:33,040 --> 00:19:34,680 Speaker 3: similar to Atani. We'd have to make the minimum and 507 00:19:34,760 --> 00:19:37,360 Speaker 3: go through arbitration, which this even makes this a tiny 508 00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:39,520 Speaker 3: deal crazier he wasn't even making real money for most 509 00:19:39,520 --> 00:19:40,399 Speaker 3: of his major league career. 510 00:19:40,520 --> 00:19:43,280 Speaker 1: But digress. So it's just it's it's so funny right now, 511 00:19:43,359 --> 00:19:44,159 Speaker 1: like what has happened. 512 00:19:44,200 --> 00:19:46,160 Speaker 3: I think a big reason why there's so much interest 513 00:19:46,240 --> 00:19:48,440 Speaker 3: right now, especially the MPB, which I think is pound 514 00:19:48,520 --> 00:19:50,359 Speaker 3: for pound, the best international league, probably better than the 515 00:19:50,359 --> 00:19:53,400 Speaker 3: gay bo. I'd say, yeah, we know so much more. 516 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:55,479 Speaker 3: It's not like shrouded like in craziness like it used 517 00:19:55,480 --> 00:19:56,879 Speaker 3: to be. Like, it's not like I can't trust guy 518 00:19:56,880 --> 00:19:58,239 Speaker 3: if he's never thrown a pitch. We have so much 519 00:19:58,320 --> 00:20:00,640 Speaker 3: data on his pitches. We can compare them very specifically 520 00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:03,520 Speaker 3: the major league pitches. Like, uh, you know, compared his 521 00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:06,879 Speaker 3: his fastball to Kevin Gausman and Tokodei Sanga between release, 522 00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:09,359 Speaker 3: height end shape. He compared the splither to Goussman, but 523 00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:11,040 Speaker 3: also was like, it's just better than Goausman. It's like 524 00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:13,359 Speaker 3: this might be the best splither in baseball, like depending 525 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:16,000 Speaker 3: on how he frames it. The curveballs, that was really 526 00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:18,119 Speaker 3: similar to Chris Basset. We watch Chris Bass's curveball for 527 00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:20,960 Speaker 3: a whole year, disgusting. It's amazing curveball, nice and big 528 00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:23,399 Speaker 3: loop slow, and Chris Bass was doing that with a 529 00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:26,000 Speaker 3: ninety one mile in narraw fastball. Now amos gonna do 530 00:20:26,040 --> 00:20:28,080 Speaker 3: a ninety six mile ra fastball just to compare, Like 531 00:20:28,119 --> 00:20:29,720 Speaker 3: the difference there sixty five inches of drop. 532 00:20:29,800 --> 00:20:31,440 Speaker 1: That's incredible, but so much. 533 00:20:31,640 --> 00:20:33,399 Speaker 3: It's so much, but like that, that's where we are 534 00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:35,280 Speaker 3: now in the offseason, where like there's a domino, there's 535 00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:37,199 Speaker 3: a domino, here's the next domino, and I think when 536 00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:39,800 Speaker 3: this domino falls, a lot of dominoes are gonna fall 537 00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:41,480 Speaker 3: after it, which we're gonna talk to you guys about 538 00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:44,159 Speaker 3: right now, because there's so much that hasn't happened in 539 00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:46,080 Speaker 3: this free agency, like even the last week since you 540 00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:48,439 Speaker 3: heard from us, Like at Roald Rodriguez basically the only 541 00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:50,800 Speaker 3: free as assigned a contract, and then Tyler O'Neil was 542 00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:52,119 Speaker 3: traded like that's it, like. 543 00:20:52,240 --> 00:20:55,680 Speaker 1: This, I mean went to the reds uh and then 544 00:20:56,040 --> 00:20:56,360 Speaker 1: what else? 545 00:20:56,400 --> 00:20:59,080 Speaker 2: I think there was one more, but like nothing particularly big, 546 00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:01,560 Speaker 2: Like in terms of the big name guys that were 547 00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:03,520 Speaker 2: on the board, they're still very much around. 548 00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:06,040 Speaker 1: I mean, we knew this, we knew this was gonna happen. 549 00:21:06,040 --> 00:21:07,880 Speaker 2: We knew he was gonna wait for everyone's gonna wait 550 00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:11,600 Speaker 2: for Otani, especially on the pitching side, even though obviously 551 00:21:11,760 --> 00:21:14,520 Speaker 2: like he's not necessarily a pitcher, but you still wait. 552 00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:16,720 Speaker 2: You're still waiting for Otani, You're still waiting for Yamamoto 553 00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:19,000 Speaker 2: to go. That's why a guy like Snell probably hasn't 554 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:21,320 Speaker 2: signed yet, or some of the other pitchers like Montgomery. 555 00:21:22,560 --> 00:21:26,560 Speaker 2: It's interesting this free agent class is super dense in 556 00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:28,680 Speaker 2: the middle, like there's a lot of like middle of 557 00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:30,800 Speaker 2: the guys. And we've talked about this before in the podcast. 558 00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:32,960 Speaker 2: The top end talent is dwindling down a little bit 559 00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:35,000 Speaker 2: now as some of the bigger names are moving, but 560 00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:37,640 Speaker 2: there are still ways for this team to improve. 561 00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:40,480 Speaker 1: And of course, with the news of Ronnie Maurisio tearing 562 00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:41,800 Speaker 1: his ACL. 563 00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:45,200 Speaker 2: In the Dominican Winner League, which is just like so brutal, 564 00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:48,720 Speaker 2: so brutal, because he is one of the bright young 565 00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:51,400 Speaker 2: players on this team. While he didn't have the craziest 566 00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:52,920 Speaker 2: of numbers last year, I mean, the guy hit a 567 00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:54,960 Speaker 2: ball one hundred and seventeen miles an hour that we 568 00:21:55,119 --> 00:21:57,320 Speaker 2: saw in person and literally looked at each other and like, 569 00:21:58,119 --> 00:22:00,000 Speaker 2: oh my god, Like we said a couple expletives. 570 00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:01,199 Speaker 1: I think, not oh my god, a. 571 00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:04,919 Speaker 2: Couple uh maybe maybe holier than now, you know, expletives 572 00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:08,200 Speaker 2: or whatnot. But it was like, he is super, super 573 00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:11,360 Speaker 2: impressive at what he can do. Samon the Dominican Winter 574 00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:13,520 Speaker 2: League already doing some crazy stuff. I tweet out a clip. 575 00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:15,280 Speaker 2: I'm like, this guy's got to play every day somehow, 576 00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:17,760 Speaker 2: like he's electric. So for him to get hurt Terror's 577 00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:20,680 Speaker 2: acl is tough because probably at the best he's back, 578 00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:23,600 Speaker 2: like maybe September, it's probably just gonna be the whole season. 579 00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:25,280 Speaker 2: If you had to guess in terms of what was 580 00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:28,800 Speaker 2: going on, sucks and it makes you think, like, what 581 00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:30,600 Speaker 2: are we going to now do at third base? Because 582 00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:32,800 Speaker 2: it seemed like there was probably gonna be a platoon 583 00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:35,080 Speaker 2: of source between him and Brett Baity, not. 584 00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:36,720 Speaker 3: I think, just a platoon of sorts, But I just 585 00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:39,480 Speaker 3: I was really excited to see healthy competition between him, 586 00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:41,320 Speaker 3: Brett Baby, Mark vinto Is and was exciting to hear 587 00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:43,119 Speaker 3: David Stearns talk about that, like as we've gone through 588 00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:46,159 Speaker 3: his offseason and just comparing them to other options that 589 00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:48,320 Speaker 3: were on the market, didn't really seem like it was 590 00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:50,720 Speaker 3: worth the opportunity cost for a couple of guys. 591 00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:54,360 Speaker 2: Who's still breaking news, yes on the podcast breaking news 592 00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:57,040 Speaker 2: Seth Lugo three year, forty five million dollar contract to 593 00:22:57,080 --> 00:22:58,720 Speaker 2: the Royals, so he will not be coming back to 594 00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:02,400 Speaker 2: the Mets. It seems like the Royals, Yeah, the Royals. 595 00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:05,040 Speaker 2: Sorry to interrupt, there, but I feel like it's topical 596 00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:06,359 Speaker 2: with the Mets eating starting pitching. 597 00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:08,679 Speaker 3: Yes, meaningful another guy off the board, Lugo probably did 598 00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:11,000 Speaker 3: have like a good mix of ceiling and floor for 599 00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:12,120 Speaker 3: any guy still on the board. 600 00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:13,800 Speaker 1: Also in an article for me know he compared to 601 00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:16,480 Speaker 1: you most curveball Lugos. We know good Lugo's curveball was 602 00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:18,560 Speaker 1: over the years in terms of released point and drop 603 00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:19,200 Speaker 1: and velossy. 604 00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:23,359 Speaker 3: Nevertheless, it was good to be an exciting competition because 605 00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:26,080 Speaker 3: even like as great as Maritio is being viewed right 606 00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:28,440 Speaker 3: now across the league, and like how especially by specifically 607 00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:31,120 Speaker 3: Mets fans, he's still last year in the twenty six 608 00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:33,440 Speaker 3: game sample and not basically percentage under three hundred twenty 609 00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:35,400 Speaker 3: percent works in the league average. Like the physical tools 610 00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:38,960 Speaker 3: are still totally astounding, but the projection systems were like, 611 00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:40,320 Speaker 3: we think he might be a league average hitther and 612 00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:42,080 Speaker 3: that's totally in the exact same range that Brett Bay 613 00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:44,520 Speaker 3: the en Mark ventrostre in right now too, which breeds 614 00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:46,159 Speaker 3: healthy competition. I think that would be a nice thing 615 00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:47,720 Speaker 3: for all through those guys to get on the field 616 00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:49,720 Speaker 3: together and see who's gonna win this. Now you lose 617 00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:51,960 Speaker 3: one leg of that and you kind of want some 618 00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:54,359 Speaker 3: more insurance. But you mentioned the fact that maybe he 619 00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:57,320 Speaker 3: comes back towards the end of the year. I really 620 00:23:57,440 --> 00:23:59,960 Speaker 3: just hope that as young as Ryan Ritio is still 621 00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:02,480 Speaker 3: right now, that there's no rush. We saw the lingering, yeah, 622 00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:05,200 Speaker 3: of course, of an ACL tear turn Ronald the Cuney 623 00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:07,080 Speaker 3: junior from being one of the best players in baseball 624 00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:09,360 Speaker 3: to kind of mid to then once he got over 625 00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:11,639 Speaker 3: exactly the best player in baseball again, just in the 626 00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:14,320 Speaker 3: lingering effects over a year out from that injury. We 627 00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:16,600 Speaker 3: saw Royce Lewis rush back from his ACL tear and 628 00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:18,879 Speaker 3: heard it again and miss a whole nother year. It 629 00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:20,720 Speaker 3: became one of the most electric players in baseball in 630 00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:22,040 Speaker 3: the second half this year, and like they lost a 631 00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:23,359 Speaker 3: whole year of that because he tried to come back 632 00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:25,000 Speaker 3: too fast, because there's a pressure on him. That was 633 00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:27,240 Speaker 3: different because he was numbering overall pick and there was 634 00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:28,840 Speaker 3: a lot more going on with him years over the years, 635 00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:32,080 Speaker 3: but especially Mauricio, who's he's still twenty two years old. 636 00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:34,959 Speaker 3: Ryan Mariso is only four months older than Kevin Prod, 637 00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:37,440 Speaker 3: the Met's first round picking the most recent draft. He's 638 00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:39,680 Speaker 3: younger than Brandon's Broth, the Mets second round pick in 639 00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:42,320 Speaker 3: the most recent draft. Like, he's so young still in baseball, 640 00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:45,320 Speaker 3: and there's half far double a roster as older than 641 00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:47,640 Speaker 3: Rodnyan Marisio still right now and Ryan Muster, like you said, 642 00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:49,000 Speaker 3: or the hit the ball one hundred and seventy miles 643 00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:51,800 Speaker 3: an hour in the league. Take just take the slow 644 00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:53,639 Speaker 3: road with him now, like this physical tools are so 645 00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:55,800 Speaker 3: amazing and that's kind of what he's built on. So 646 00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:58,840 Speaker 3: to take some of that physical ability away, I think 647 00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:00,399 Speaker 3: would be a disservice to him. And then to put 648 00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:01,840 Speaker 3: pressure on him to try and play when he's not 649 00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:04,440 Speaker 3: one hundred percent that definitely wears you down over time, 650 00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:07,199 Speaker 3: that hurts development. So just we still have internal options, 651 00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:09,760 Speaker 3: but maybe this now means that there does have to 652 00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:11,600 Speaker 3: be a better look at their infield depth. 653 00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:14,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean taking a look at what is available 654 00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:16,920 Speaker 2: on the market, because infield depth will always help this team. 655 00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:17,800 Speaker 1: You could always use more. 656 00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:19,720 Speaker 2: I know the Mets have gotten Jose Gleasias and they 657 00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:21,600 Speaker 2: got Zach Short in the past. And who is the 658 00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:24,560 Speaker 2: other name that I'm missing, Oh, Joey Wendell. Joey Wendell 659 00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:26,920 Speaker 2: of course, but like, maybe there's some guys at third 660 00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:29,080 Speaker 2: base more specifically. I know I've mentioned it before, and 661 00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:31,800 Speaker 2: I know if John ever listens to this podcast again, 662 00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:34,240 Speaker 2: we'll find out. But i'd been talking about Joe Orschello 663 00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:35,560 Speaker 2: with you, like one of the first episodes of the 664 00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:37,800 Speaker 2: off season, Like, Joe Orschella feels like a really good 665 00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:39,480 Speaker 2: fit for a guy who can play third base, He 666 00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:42,560 Speaker 2: could play, he could play shortstop. I don't really want 667 00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:45,040 Speaker 2: him to, obviously, but he could play shortstop, could play 668 00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:47,560 Speaker 2: first base, and has played in New York, has had success, 669 00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:49,720 Speaker 2: seems to be good buddies with the Francisco Indoor Seed 670 00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:51,760 Speaker 2: him on his Instagram stories a couple of times, Like 671 00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:54,280 Speaker 2: feels like a good fit of a major leaguer who's 672 00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:57,120 Speaker 2: not going to demand every day playing time, who could 673 00:25:57,160 --> 00:25:59,600 Speaker 2: swap in and out with Brett Baby, who could provide 674 00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:01,800 Speaker 2: a defensive option at third base, maybe in a later 675 00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:03,600 Speaker 2: inning of a game where Brett Baty is starting or 676 00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:05,840 Speaker 2: whatever it's going to be, or if Mark Vienza is playing, 677 00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:08,359 Speaker 2: he fills in defensively for him and still gives you 678 00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:11,680 Speaker 2: a league average to slightly above league average bat as well. 679 00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:13,960 Speaker 3: Totally, and if you want to think of players who'd 680 00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:17,040 Speaker 3: even just work really well as platoon for potentially Brett Baty. 681 00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:19,800 Speaker 3: It's a guy like Justin Turner who'd cost more money 682 00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:23,040 Speaker 3: but has just forever his entire career annihilated lefties, just 683 00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:25,880 Speaker 3: hit them to bits and pieces, and even a much 684 00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:26,400 Speaker 3: cheaper option. 685 00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:28,200 Speaker 1: These are literally one year stop gaps. 686 00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:32,560 Speaker 3: Is Evan Longoria, who again just demolished his lefties and 687 00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:34,679 Speaker 3: still last year proved on a Diamonbacks team that won 688 00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:36,879 Speaker 3: the National League, can still play accompetent their base and 689 00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:39,960 Speaker 3: like be a great renounding force in the locker room 690 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:40,880 Speaker 3: to keep things on track. 691 00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:44,399 Speaker 1: Even I mean, like the wild Westports isn't even a 692 00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:45,080 Speaker 1: crazy thing think about. 693 00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:47,400 Speaker 3: It's like just getting more major league hitters in this Mets, 694 00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:50,000 Speaker 3: Like we saw this team struggle with depth last couple 695 00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:52,119 Speaker 3: of years, and like signing more major league players to 696 00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:53,719 Speaker 3: like fill in this roster is not a bad thing. 697 00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:56,240 Speaker 3: Like there's plenty offfielders are also very interesting to the Mets, 698 00:26:56,359 --> 00:27:01,160 Speaker 3: probably like Michael Brantley, David Peralta, Peterson, Like I've talked 699 00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:02,680 Speaker 3: a lot about Michael Taylor in this podcast, and he'd 700 00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:04,240 Speaker 3: be a great option as someone who can play defense, 701 00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:06,919 Speaker 3: center field really well, Harrison Bathers out there, he'll likely 702 00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:09,520 Speaker 3: be not very expensive. Like there's just we have not 703 00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:10,000 Speaker 3: got for you. 704 00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:13,080 Speaker 1: What Hunter Dozer is an interesting one. 705 00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:15,080 Speaker 2: I know he's been not great the last couple of years, 706 00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:16,840 Speaker 2: but a few years ago he was putting up some 707 00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:19,040 Speaker 2: crazy numbers and had like the barrel rates and the 708 00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:21,560 Speaker 2: exit velos that match. And he can play third base, 709 00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:24,160 Speaker 2: first base, in the two corner outfield positions as well. 710 00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:25,680 Speaker 2: So if you want someone who can give you like 711 00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:28,000 Speaker 2: a lot of options, who will be if he's gonna 712 00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:29,520 Speaker 2: be free. I don't think anyone's knocking on the door 713 00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:31,639 Speaker 2: of Hunter Dozer per se, But like a guy who 714 00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:34,240 Speaker 2: had had success at some point, maybe get him to 715 00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:35,920 Speaker 2: a smart team like the Mets, Like, oh look at this, 716 00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:36,880 Speaker 2: now he's hitting well again. 717 00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:39,280 Speaker 3: Another guy who's in fielder outfielder who you hate him, 718 00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:40,720 Speaker 3: but like Derkson Profar at least can do a lot 719 00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:42,800 Speaker 3: of different things defensively with the gloves like he can't 720 00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:44,320 Speaker 3: stand a lot of different places you won't feel that 721 00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:46,240 Speaker 3: bad about. But the point we're trying to make is 722 00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:48,800 Speaker 3: that soft season really has not even started yet, and 723 00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:51,560 Speaker 3: lots of Mets fans left and right are being very 724 00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:53,320 Speaker 3: scared about what's been going on with the off season 725 00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:53,639 Speaker 3: so far. 726 00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:56,120 Speaker 1: Again, it leads to a lot of humor talk about 727 00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:56,840 Speaker 1: the last episode. 728 00:27:56,840 --> 00:28:01,040 Speaker 3: But every single time the Mets Twitter makes it move official, 729 00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:04,240 Speaker 3: like people are just flooding the comment section. I can't 730 00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:06,440 Speaker 3: even imagine that other teams get this kind of engagement 731 00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:09,400 Speaker 3: on a move like Tyler Coleway signing a minor league contract, 732 00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:11,240 Speaker 3: like a guy who's gonna be the great right field 733 00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:13,639 Speaker 3: depth where it's like everyone's like, oh my god, turns 734 00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:15,840 Speaker 3: masted class. Like some people are like totally serious and 735 00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:18,639 Speaker 3: they think like this guy is totally falling, but definitely 736 00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:21,240 Speaker 3: not really true. It's it's very funny, but we haven't 737 00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:24,199 Speaker 3: we have only just begun. This is not even happening yet. 738 00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:28,480 Speaker 2: Like the top guy at every position basically hasn't signed, 739 00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:31,359 Speaker 2: basically hasn't signed. So like whatever hole it is that 740 00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:33,200 Speaker 2: you think the Mets have, or even if you're a 741 00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:35,880 Speaker 2: fan of another team, whatever hole you think your team. 742 00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:38,160 Speaker 1: Has, it's like they're all still available. 743 00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:41,440 Speaker 2: Literally every single position, the top guy is still available 744 00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:43,040 Speaker 2: outside of Sho Heo Tani. 745 00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:46,960 Speaker 1: That's it. That's like, that's the whole juxt of this offseason. 746 00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:48,040 Speaker 1: Is just getting started. 747 00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:50,360 Speaker 2: There's so much going on, and I think the Mets 748 00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:52,360 Speaker 2: are still gonna be making quite a few moves we've seen. 749 00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:54,480 Speaker 2: I like that we're getting active in like those nooks 750 00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:56,320 Speaker 2: and cranny something that we've talked about that would be 751 00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:58,360 Speaker 2: great to see them capitalize on in the past. Now 752 00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:00,680 Speaker 2: we can maybe put our focus towards some bigger players 753 00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:02,360 Speaker 2: to fill in some of those holes rather than looks 754 00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:02,880 Speaker 2: and grannies. 755 00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:06,040 Speaker 3: Totally, Bullpen's up something that we're both obsessed with doing. 756 00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:07,680 Speaker 3: That like just hitting the parts of the market that 757 00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:09,600 Speaker 3: we know are able to be hit right now, while 758 00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:12,480 Speaker 3: still making sure that hopefully you're in play for the 759 00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:13,560 Speaker 3: things you really want to be in play. 760 00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:17,120 Speaker 2: For Give me a weird reliever you're you've been looking 761 00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:19,320 Speaker 2: into recently. I know, I know you've got one that 762 00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:22,520 Speaker 2: you're like, what about? Uh, who can we give a 763 00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:24,920 Speaker 2: fly or to that? I'd be so interested and happy. 764 00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:27,600 Speaker 3: To have someone I think would be fun, but I 765 00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:30,840 Speaker 3: don't know about how much he'd get because of how 766 00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:32,280 Speaker 3: good he was last year. I think it is probably 767 00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:35,320 Speaker 3: Chris Stratton as a really weird one, Okay weird one 768 00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:36,920 Speaker 3: because he comes out of Bill Bullpen with a lot 769 00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:38,520 Speaker 3: of the pitches. I think kurb ball is the best one. 770 00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:41,240 Speaker 3: It's just like just strange stuff in there, but like 771 00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:42,840 Speaker 3: he finds a way to get done. Just has like 772 00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:44,800 Speaker 3: a deeper arse on the most relievers you're gonna end 773 00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:46,520 Speaker 3: up signing, even at this juncture of the off season, 774 00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:49,240 Speaker 3: even a reliever who just signed with love for the 775 00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:51,680 Speaker 3: mess being made a play for but seems like he's 776 00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:53,240 Speaker 3: just totally dead said where he's been his whole career. 777 00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:55,840 Speaker 3: Joe Kelly had an amazing video if you saw him 778 00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:57,600 Speaker 3: and his wife I think on Instagram or TikTok today 779 00:29:57,600 --> 00:29:59,360 Speaker 3: about him changing his numbers so show Haye and keep 780 00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:02,000 Speaker 3: his number and just like going through like every single 781 00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:04,320 Speaker 3: shirt they had of his with his number seventeen on it, 782 00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:05,720 Speaker 3: and then like at the end of it, she took 783 00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:07,640 Speaker 3: a blue sharpie marker or ninety nine in the back 784 00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:08,280 Speaker 3: of his white T shirt. 785 00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:09,000 Speaker 1: He was all right, thank you. 786 00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:11,920 Speaker 3: So it's funny stuff like that. But even like I 787 00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:13,520 Speaker 3: don't know, like I know John and shot at him. 788 00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:15,960 Speaker 3: He wants Ryan Stanick. Ryan Stanick, there's a great fastball. 789 00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:18,520 Speaker 3: A fastball like that was his fastball. Properties you're not 790 00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:20,680 Speaker 3: getting for the cheap leaves, you can sign him. Usually 791 00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:23,560 Speaker 3: there's a lot of just my guy Magic Wandhy has 792 00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:26,040 Speaker 3: a wild lefty out of the bullpen with some weird stuff, 793 00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:28,920 Speaker 3: like like I like having weird lefties, And David Searns 794 00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:30,920 Speaker 3: has talked about the fact that we do want to 795 00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:32,680 Speaker 3: have guys with different looks and different stuff out of 796 00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:33,040 Speaker 3: the bullpen. 797 00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:34,800 Speaker 1: We do want philosity, but not to be an end alt. 798 00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:36,720 Speaker 1: We like some funkiness. We like some arm slots, we 799 00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:38,360 Speaker 1: like some release points, we like left to we like right. 800 00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:40,120 Speaker 1: We want everything. It's possible. 801 00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:42,320 Speaker 3: Our guy Shintaro Fujinami is still out there, like who 802 00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:43,680 Speaker 3: knows what is going to happen to him in his 803 00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:45,640 Speaker 3: major league career, but throws one hundred miles an hour, 804 00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:46,640 Speaker 3: like it's just not growing. 805 00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:48,720 Speaker 1: It doesn't grow on trees, It just simply doesn't. 806 00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:50,440 Speaker 3: Like it's still a lot of fun to be had 807 00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:52,960 Speaker 3: with this, this reliever remark, especially even just all the 808 00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:55,240 Speaker 3: position players. There's so many players still for agents. Matt 809 00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:57,719 Speaker 3: Chapman no nowhere on him, Codey Beldger nowhere on him. 810 00:30:58,000 --> 00:30:59,040 Speaker 3: Like there's nothing going on. 811 00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:00,800 Speaker 1: Dead sound right now across the. 812 00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:04,080 Speaker 2: League yep, dead silent, And of course, if anything happens. 813 00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:06,200 Speaker 2: You know, we are going to talk to you guys 814 00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:07,960 Speaker 2: all about it. I think it's a good place for 815 00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:10,200 Speaker 2: us to wrap up this episode of the Mets up Podcast, 816 00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:10,920 Speaker 2: Big two fifty. 817 00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:11,680 Speaker 1: We appreciate you. 818 00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:14,040 Speaker 2: We're due for an in person episode whenever James gets 819 00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:17,000 Speaker 2: back from Portugal or whatnot. We'll figure one out. 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