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Speaker 3: Dan Robinstein, it is time for the April Q and

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Speaker 2: But it's receiving questions in early April, you kind of

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Speaker 3: Clearly we know that there are house settlements and there

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Speaker 3: Sure, those are three things. Those three things I think

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Speaker 3: Well, what's interesting about Arch is he basically didn't talk

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Speaker 1: Texas versus Ohio State.

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Speaker 3: If they don't look at least like they're up to

439
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Speaker 3: that challenge, I think that would probably affect me more.

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Speaker 2: I think this game means so much in terms of

441
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Speaker 2: entertainment value week one, But when you look at how

442
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Speaker 2: new both of these teams are in I mean, we

443
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Speaker 2: assuming it's Julian saying for Ohio State right and Arch

444
00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:29,560
Speaker 2: manning for Texas, So you have first time, full time

445
00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:32,960
Speaker 2: starting quarterbacks. Arch has started games before and played in games,

446
00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:36,439
Speaker 2: Julian is not, and they're both going to be playing

447
00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:41,400
Speaker 2: behind largely if not completely new offensive lines. They will

448
00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:46,320
Speaker 2: be throwing to experienced receivers and they will be supported

449
00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:51,080
Speaker 2: by largely new defenses, though both have a couple of

450
00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:53,520
Speaker 2: huge pieces back. You know, Caleb Downs is obviously the

451
00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:57,160
Speaker 2: headliner of all those guys, but there are obviously upfront

452
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Speaker 2: for Texas some huge names back. Colin Simmons like, there's

453
00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:03,520
Speaker 2: there's good names on defense to support where the offenses

454
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Speaker 2: are going to be. But it's Week one, and you

455
00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:11,080
Speaker 2: are afforded at least one, probably two mulligans if you're

456
00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:16,200
Speaker 2: a program of these sizes, and the time between whatever

457
00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:18,960
Speaker 2: the date is, August thirtieth or September first, whatever Week

458
00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:21,960
Speaker 2: one's date is, the time between that and selection Sunday

459
00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:26,560
Speaker 2: in early December feels more astronomical than ever because of

460
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Speaker 2: the mulligans, and you're just like, yeah, it's losing to Texas,

461
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Speaker 2: but that's as good a loss as you're going to

462
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Speaker 2: get in this sport. Week one, we've seen teams get

463
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Speaker 2: destroyed week one. We saw Clemson get destroyed week one

464
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Speaker 2: by Georgia. We saw Oregon get destroyed by Georgia a

465
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Speaker 2: couple of years ago. Ultimately it didn't matter. It mattered

466
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Speaker 2: like Okay, this is what their ceiling probably is. Clemson

467
00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:50,600
Speaker 2: still on the ACC and went to the playoff. Oregon

468
00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:54,399
Speaker 2: was still right in there. That was Dan Lanning's first

469
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Speaker 2: game and they ended up winning ten games that year,

470
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Speaker 2: and so Week one, I think more than any is

471
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Speaker 2: just like, Okay, let's get a nice little early season

472
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Speaker 2: snapshot against a quality team. But I think it's more

473
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Speaker 2: indicative of like, Okay, this is what a team needs

474
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Speaker 2: to work on in September, more than like, this is

475
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Speaker 2: how I'm judging a team for the next fourteen weeks.

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Speaker 3: I think that's fair by the way, I got my

477
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Speaker 3: numbers mixed up, And Okay, Texas has far more returning

478
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Speaker 3: production on defense than it doesn't.

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Speaker 1: I was saying it, and it wasn't computing as I

480
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Speaker 1: was saying it.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, look, these are two teams that we can

482
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Speaker 3: split hairs over what the numbers are, but there is

483
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Speaker 3: a fair amount walking out on both sides.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I like the continuity of having arched there to the

486
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Speaker 3: previous question. I like the continuity of having them him

487
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Speaker 3: there on offense, and I think that should give them

488
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Speaker 3: a good starting point, if nothing else, to go on

489
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Speaker 3: the road and maybe get a big win in the

490
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Speaker 3: shoe Week one.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Texas is down. I think he does. On the

492
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Speaker 2: defensive line, a couple of key guys, their best corner,

493
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Speaker 2: best nickel safety type in the secondary. But yeah, there's

494
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Speaker 2: a lot ton of production back at linebacker, a lot

495
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Speaker 2: of rotation guys in the secondary. So I think they're

496
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Speaker 2: ahead of where Ohio States should be in terms of

497
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Speaker 2: experience on defense. But games in the shoe, right, games

498
00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:14,280
Speaker 2: in the shoe, that's a tough place to start your season.

499
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Speaker 3: Eric says, how would you compare the Bryce Underwood hype

500
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Speaker 3: train to other recent quarterback hype trains? So he brings

501
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Speaker 3: up quin viewers, he brings up Trevor Lawrence. Sure, or

502
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Speaker 3: at least it conjures up images of those guys when

503
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Speaker 3: he asks this question. When I think about it, I

504
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Speaker 3: think it's right up there. To be honest with you,

505
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Speaker 3: I don't know if Bryce Underwood quite has the name appeal,

506
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Speaker 3: name recognition as some of the guys that came before

507
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Speaker 3: him that were as highly rated.

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Speaker 1: Surely it does within the Michigan community. I mean that

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Speaker 1: goes without.

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Speaker 3: Saying, but yeah, I think, just in terms of the

511
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Speaker 3: Michigan fan base. Having watched the season, they watched knowing

512
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Speaker 3: that you're getting the number one overall quarterback, number one

513
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Speaker 3: overall player at a time, and you desperately need better

514
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Speaker 3: quarterback play. That to me, I think, in and of itself,

515
00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:18,520
Speaker 3: is going to put so much pressure on him. The

516
00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:21,600
Speaker 3: hype train is going at full speed. If he goes

517
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Speaker 3: out there early in the season and is the starter,

518
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Speaker 3: as some reports have indicated, he might be the front

519
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Speaker 3: runner to get that.

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Speaker 2: They have Oklahoma Week two.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, if we see Bryce Underwood go out there

522
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Speaker 3: and perform at a moderately decent level. I'm not even

523
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Speaker 3: talking All Star, but just don't do anything stupid, clearly

524
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Speaker 3: elevate their quarterback play over where it was a year ago.

525
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Speaker 3: I think the hype train will almost go on without

526
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Speaker 3: any breaks. I think you will see that accelerate. You

527
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Speaker 3: will hear a lot more people talking about Bryce Underwood.

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Speaker 3: It's just not there yet on the national level. I

529
00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:03,240
Speaker 3: don't think it'll take much to get there.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 2: So a few things that play here with Bryce Underwood

532
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Speaker 2: and hype. One, he grew up in the shadow of

533
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Speaker 2: ann Arbor. I believe right really close to ann Arbor. Two,

534
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:18,920
Speaker 2: we are playing in the nil era, and so attached

535
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Speaker 2: to Bryce Underwood's recruitment is alleged millions upon millions of

536
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Speaker 2: dollars that he has commanded, and I say that in

537
00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:32,200
Speaker 2: a positive way for his services and his nil services whatever.

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Speaker 2: Three he was committed to a major program that's not

539
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Speaker 2: in the shadow of Ann Arbor, a major coach, a

540
00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:42,440
Speaker 2: major program in LSU, And there was a very high

541
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Speaker 2: profile de commitment and commitment to Michigan. Three, four or five,

542
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Speaker 2: I don't remember what number I'm on, bullet point wise,

543
00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:52,440
Speaker 2: Michigan just won a national championship, and so he's they're

544
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Speaker 2: in the wake of them succeeding on a level that

545
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Speaker 2: they haven't for a long long time. They're now hungry

546
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:05,640
Speaker 2: for more time, right, and now they've seen what can

547
00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:08,800
Speaker 2: happen without a quality quarterback running things in a quality

548
00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:11,560
Speaker 2: offense running things. So then there's a new kind of

549
00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:16,400
Speaker 2: hunger for quality at quarterback. There you have the new

550
00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:18,880
Speaker 2: era of college football where the Big Ten now has

551
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:22,080
Speaker 2: higher profile opponents and teams like Oregon and Washington and

552
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:27,560
Speaker 2: Michigan added to all of these teams' schedules, and his

553
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:33,560
Speaker 2: specific style of play as a dual threat is especially

554
00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:38,280
Speaker 2: tantalizing and so You can say whatever you want about

555
00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:43,800
Speaker 2: other quarterbacks who have like profoundly impressive abilities throwing the ball,

556
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Speaker 2: but to have somebody like, oh, is he the next

557
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:48,200
Speaker 2: Lamar Jackson, Is he the next Cam Newton? Is he

558
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:51,280
Speaker 2: the next terrelle pryor whoever you're just like that can

559
00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:54,880
Speaker 2: take an offense to such a crazy level that you

560
00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:58,360
Speaker 2: can't help but be wowed by the potential. And so yeah,

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Speaker 2: I think the local element of this, Like Trevor Lawrence,

562
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Speaker 2: even though he's not from South Carolina, I believe where

563
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:07,280
Speaker 2: he's from is really close to Clemson. Cam Newton from Georgia,

564
00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:09,720
Speaker 2: went to Florida and then obviously to Auburn, like he's

565
00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:12,280
Speaker 2: from the area. He's from the region. But I just

566
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:15,920
Speaker 2: I think it's different when somebody is so hyper local

567
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Speaker 2: as like the next great thing, and there's a pretty

568
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Speaker 2: good chance he's doing it almost immediately, so that you're

569
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Speaker 2: just you can't be patient with Bryce Underwood if you're

570
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Speaker 2: a Michigan fan, because you're going to see him likely

571
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Speaker 2: in September, either as a starter or somebody who's heavily

572
00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:38,120
Speaker 2: involved in the game plan. And so he's up there, man,

573
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:40,320
Speaker 2: he is way way up there. Given the hunger in

574
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Speaker 2: Ann Arbor. So yeah, I can't imagine somebody who was

575
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Speaker 2: definitively above him in terms of incoming hype in the

576
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Speaker 2: last five years or so now.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, we've seen this before.

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Speaker 2: I mean other than I guess arch Manning, but other

579
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:55,480
Speaker 2: than he wasn't but he wasn't coming in as like

580
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Speaker 2: the expected compete for the job guy.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, what we've seen happened before, especially with some

582
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:05,480
Speaker 3: of these highly touted recruits, not just at the quarterback position,

583
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:08,160
Speaker 3: but yeah, in many cases where he do have somebody

584
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:12,000
Speaker 3: who's local to the area, generally speaking from the same region,

585
00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:15,040
Speaker 3: a lot of people in that region, in that conference,

586
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Speaker 3: certainly the people who are hanging out on message boards,

587
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:18,640
Speaker 3: they know all about the guy.

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Speaker 1: The rest of us don't.

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Speaker 3: Maybe you and I do, but the overwhelming majority of

590
00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:27,080
Speaker 3: college football fans don't know who that person is until

591
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:29,680
Speaker 3: they go out there early part of the season, start

592
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Speaker 3: making hey. Then suddenly the hype breaks contained mm hm.

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Speaker 3: And I think that's what we could see with Bryce

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Speaker 3: Underwood if he's half as good as we've been led

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Speaker 3: to believe.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean we've seen it from all over, like

597
00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:47,040
Speaker 2: highly Matt Barkley at USC. Right, he's from Orange County. Right,

598
00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:49,640
Speaker 2: he comes in, he plays immediately as a starter. He

599
00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:53,520
Speaker 2: was a really good USC quarterback, really good. Is he

600
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Speaker 2: going to be as fondly remembered as somebody who won

601
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Speaker 2: a national championship at USC as Matt Lionert, who also

602
00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:01,200
Speaker 2: grew up there. Probably not. Matt Leonard had some time

603
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:04,040
Speaker 2: to develop. Matt Barkley was like immediately just like good looking,

604
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:06,440
Speaker 2: blonde kid, blue eyes, whatever. You're just like, oh, this

605
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:10,400
Speaker 2: guy just is the prototype for quarterback at USC. I'm like,

606
00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:12,520
Speaker 2: all you can say about him was he was really

607
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:16,440
Speaker 2: good for USC. But because of that local hype, you know,

608
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:19,120
Speaker 2: you never I don't think USC fans are immediately going

609
00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:21,520
Speaker 2: to be thinking about Matt Barkley in the same way

610
00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:24,120
Speaker 2: they think about a couple other guys ahead of him,

611
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Speaker 2: which is just like a product of having that five

612
00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:31,440
Speaker 2: stars next to your name and being from the area.

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Speaker 3: PJ wants to know how many years can Sharon Moore

614
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:41,160
Speaker 3: miss the playoffs but beat Ohio State and still keep

615
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Speaker 3: his job.

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Speaker 2: The expectation for Michigan, rightfully so, given resources, given recent success,

617
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:53,880
Speaker 2: should be much more often than not being in the

618
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:59,280
Speaker 2: playoff conversation in November. And if it's only conversation, if

619
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Speaker 2: they're like, oh, they're seven and two every year, but

620
00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:05,760
Speaker 2: blow it near the end, but beat Ohio State, I

621
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:08,640
Speaker 2: think it's gonna get old. I don't think Michigan people

622
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:12,400
Speaker 2: will be happy going three years in a row beating

623
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Speaker 2: Ohio State and not playing in January.

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Speaker 3: Beating Ohio State is a nice cherry on top of

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Speaker 3: the season. It is hard, though, I think if you're

626
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Speaker 3: a Michigan fan to recognize that, well, we beat Ohio State,

627
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:31,040
Speaker 3: but Ohio State went on to win the national championship. Right,

628
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:33,640
Speaker 3: You still don't really want to see That'd still much

629
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:35,320
Speaker 3: rather be your team, frankly.

630
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Speaker 1: Any other team other than Ohio State.

631
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:39,880
Speaker 3: Right, So I agree with you. I think that will

632
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Speaker 3: paper over.

633
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:43,360
Speaker 2: How many Big Ten teams made the playoff this past year,

634
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:48,520
Speaker 2: four Indiana, Penn State, Oregon, Ohio State. If Michigan is

635
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:52,520
Speaker 2: not consistently one of four or five as the playoffs

636
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:57,960
Speaker 2: are expanding, he's gone now. Beating Ohio State is amazing,

637
00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:00,800
Speaker 2: arguably the most important thing you can do at Michigan,

638
00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:03,960
Speaker 2: but it's not the only thing that keeps you employed.

639
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Speaker 3: I would give it two more years especially make the playoff,

640
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:15,440
Speaker 3: especially now two to three more years, especially now with

641
00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:18,280
Speaker 3: this hype around Bryce Underwood and recruiting is picked up.

642
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:21,080
Speaker 3: I mean they they clearly are trying to get better

643
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:23,440
Speaker 3: at the positions where they felt they were deficient.

644
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Speaker 1: Two to three more years.

645
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:30,080
Speaker 3: Keep beating Ohio State, that's great, but at some point, yeah,

646
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:30,880
Speaker 3: the rubber meets throat.

647
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Speaker 1: You got to get in the playoff.

648
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Speaker 3: It's a good question, PJ. Here is one from Georgia

649
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:40,880
Speaker 3: is a verb Patreon. Which team do you feel like

650
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:44,040
Speaker 3: you already have the most fully formed opinions about going

651
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:47,560
Speaker 3: into next season? Man, Okay, so this is not a

652
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:51,400
Speaker 3: preview episode. We haven't started really researching much preview content,

653
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:55,480
Speaker 3: and all that will be for late stage June and

654
00:33:55,640 --> 00:34:01,640
Speaker 3: probably let's say early July. Yep, where do you stand

655
00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:02,960
Speaker 3: on this question?

656
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:06,560
Speaker 2: Which teams do I have the most fully formed opinions of? Yeah,

657
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:08,560
Speaker 2: so it's got to be somebody with a ton of

658
00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:12,360
Speaker 2: returning production. It's got to be somebody returning a quarterback.

659
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:15,440
Speaker 2: It's got to be somebody returning probably both, if not

660
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:18,400
Speaker 2: hopefully one of the coordinators and a head coach that

661
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:21,560
Speaker 2: you're just like, yeah, I kind of have a great

662
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:26,080
Speaker 2: concept for what this team is and isn't even with

663
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:31,200
Speaker 2: you know, expected improvement, expected, you know, steps taken in

664
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:36,319
Speaker 2: the wrong direction. I don't know. I'm kind of there

665
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:40,359
Speaker 2: with Kansas State a little bit that like there's enough

666
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:43,360
Speaker 2: continuity there even with a kind of a coordinator change.

667
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:47,440
Speaker 2: Matt Wells has been there. I'm kind of there with

668
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:51,640
Speaker 2: Arkansas on a certain level. We're like, I think I

669
00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:53,920
Speaker 2: have a good concept that like Arkansas can win a

670
00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:56,719
Speaker 2: couple of those games that they gave away, but I

671
00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:59,719
Speaker 2: don't think they're going to mount either an incredible defense

672
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:03,520
Speaker 2: and at times the offense will look incredible, and they

673
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:05,640
Speaker 2: probably have a ceiling of about eight or nine wins.

674
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:07,120
Speaker 2: And that's Arkansas.

675
00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:10,840
Speaker 3: I would like to express my love right now for

676
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:14,360
Speaker 3: the Clemson Tigers. Okay, I am all in on the

677
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:17,600
Speaker 3: Clemson Tigers. I am reopening the club level for this season.

678
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:19,560
Speaker 3: This season only case.

679
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:20,920
Speaker 2: To be made that they have one of the best

680
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:23,359
Speaker 2: two or three quarterbacks in the country as of now.

681
00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:26,160
Speaker 3: The version of kid Clubnick that we saw in the

682
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:30,239
Speaker 3: playoffs was incredible. Part of kid Klubnick's problem is that

683
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:32,200
Speaker 3: you don't get that version all the time. But if

684
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:34,640
Speaker 3: we see more of that it makes Clemson better for it.

685
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:40,240
Speaker 3: Clemson's got I think the most returning production on offense

686
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:41,600
Speaker 3: of any team in college football.

687
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:42,240
Speaker 1: That's helpful.

688
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:46,200
Speaker 3: They're a top ten returning production team on defense, that's helpful.

689
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:50,760
Speaker 3: Their schedule sets up beautifully. They've got LSU to start

690
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:54,279
Speaker 3: the season, South Carolina to close it in between, kind

691
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:58,200
Speaker 3: of that normal mess of ACC teams that at some

692
00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:01,520
Speaker 3: point will probably be ranked being a good example. I'd

693
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:04,440
Speaker 3: imagine Florida State potentially one of those as well.

694
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:05,239
Speaker 1: You've got a.

695
00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:06,799
Speaker 3: Bunch of team maybe North Carolina.

696
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:07,880
Speaker 1: I don't know.

697
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:10,840
Speaker 3: Teams in the middle that I'm not sure we fully

698
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:14,279
Speaker 3: know where to rank them at time of recording here

699
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:16,280
Speaker 3: in early to mid April.

700
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:18,400
Speaker 1: It's very workable.

701
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:21,279
Speaker 3: It's very workable, especially for a team with that much

702
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:23,440
Speaker 3: experience and that much veteran leadership.

703
00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:26,400
Speaker 1: So for me, I saw this question.

704
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:30,240
Speaker 3: As immediately, I immediately had a visceral reaction thinking of Clemson.

705
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:32,759
Speaker 3: I think that's the answer, the only answer for me.

706
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:35,120
Speaker 2: I mean, I would go with one of your schools

707
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:37,360
Speaker 2: in Penn State, where it's just like they should have

708
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:39,799
Speaker 2: a really good defense, they should have an offense that

709
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:45,040
Speaker 2: scores points against mediocre teams, and they might struggle on offense.

710
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:49,080
Speaker 2: They will likely struggle on offense against the better defenses

711
00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:51,880
Speaker 2: on their schedule and the better built teams on their schedule.

712
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:56,040
Speaker 2: Because that's like ninety three percent of the James Franklin

713
00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:57,080
Speaker 2: experience at Penn State.

714
00:36:57,120 --> 00:36:58,839
Speaker 3: By the way, that's ninety three percent of the rest

715
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:01,759
Speaker 3: of college football too. You play against better defense is

716
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:05,600
Speaker 3: the better constructed defenses. Unless you're Ohio State, the offense

717
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:08,520
Speaker 3: doesn't look nearly as good. But I tried to veer

718
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:10,520
Speaker 3: away from the Penn States and the Notre Dames and

719
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:13,560
Speaker 3: the Oregans for this question because that would be probably

720
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:16,560
Speaker 3: a little bit too predictable. Clearly, I have some pretty

721
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:17,040
Speaker 3: good but.

722
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:20,880
Speaker 2: They're returning an offensive coordinator, they recruit so well on defense,

723
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:23,320
Speaker 2: and the identity seems to be even with the a

724
00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:27,280
Speaker 2: coordinator change, that the identity is so strong on defense

725
00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:29,160
Speaker 2: and the assistants have been there for a while now

726
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:32,279
Speaker 2: on defense that like they are a ten and two

727
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:35,920
Speaker 2: type program who far more often than not will be

728
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:40,000
Speaker 2: in the playoff and will beat you know, they're not

729
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:43,480
Speaker 2: going to lose SMU, They're just not. But they're going

730
00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:47,520
Speaker 2: to struggle, like getting over offense, getting over a hump

731
00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:52,279
Speaker 2: whatever for Penn State seems to be the James Franklin experience.

732
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:55,120
Speaker 2: He is a very very good coach, if not a

733
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 2: great coach, but you kind of have a concept for

734
00:37:57,600 --> 00:37:58,439
Speaker 2: Penn State every year.

735
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:04,880
Speaker 3: This is a really good question from Janey. Okay, we

736
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:08,120
Speaker 3: have talked about I guess the other side of this

737
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:13,680
Speaker 3: question until we're blue in the face. Who do you

738
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:18,360
Speaker 3: think were the biggest losers in the new expanded twelve

739
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:22,319
Speaker 3: team playoff era? We've talked about this, gosh, more times

740
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:25,960
Speaker 3: than I could remember. The winners, the winners Penn States

741
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:29,760
Speaker 3: and the Tennessee's and the Notre Dames. The team Utah.

742
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:31,719
Speaker 3: Utah didn't get in this year, but Utah could have

743
00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:34,520
Speaker 3: been a winner this year because these were teams that

744
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:37,359
Speaker 3: historically had been boxed out of getting into a four

745
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:41,440
Speaker 3: team format, but span the field. Suddenly you're letting different

746
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:45,920
Speaker 3: teams in Boise State getting in clearly a huge winner

747
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:47,960
Speaker 3: to get to play on that stage. Maybe not the

748
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:48,839
Speaker 3: way they played, but.

749
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:51,880
Speaker 1: Who are the losers?

750
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 2: Big Ten West teams? Because of there's an ability to

751
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:04,640
Speaker 2: inflame your final record and ranking based on lack of

752
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:07,840
Speaker 2: opponent offense. Playing in the Big Ten West at times

753
00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:13,760
Speaker 2: like Wisconsin's a loser in this Wisconsin the best years

754
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:18,359
Speaker 2: of Wisconsin football, Wisconsin was a legitimately very very good team,

755
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:22,879
Speaker 2: if not great teams sometimes, but at times they were

756
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:27,640
Speaker 2: difficult to fully gauge because of their schedule and having

757
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:32,680
Speaker 2: down Illinois and down Purdue and down Nebraska and down

758
00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:38,319
Speaker 2: Minnesota some combination thereof it's tough to fully know. There

759
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:42,960
Speaker 2: were years that the SEC East would have a number

760
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:47,000
Speaker 2: of Downport, you know, down Tennessee, down Vanderbilt, down South

761
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:51,399
Speaker 2: Carolina and so teams that would pop up in one

762
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:54,480
Speaker 2: of those divisions and make it to you know, a

763
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:57,600
Speaker 2: Missoo Zoo was legitimately great when they were making SEC

764
00:39:57,680 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 2: championship games. They've proven that they can succeed in a

765
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:05,279
Speaker 2: divisionless SEC world, but they've been through some challenges that

766
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:08,399
Speaker 2: Zoo has since you know those early like Crazy Cony Ely,

767
00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:13,000
Speaker 2: Michael Sam defensive lines, Darryl Green Beckham like those those

768
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:16,960
Speaker 2: were nice paths to have for Miszoo when Georgia wasn't

769
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:19,319
Speaker 2: fully Georgia in the early I think it was early

770
00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:24,160
Speaker 2: twenty teens we're talking about right now, and so I'm

771
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:26,600
Speaker 2: trying to think of who else, like UCLA is kind

772
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:28,759
Speaker 2: of a big loser right now in the Big ten.

773
00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:31,880
Speaker 2: Just it doesn't seem like this version of UCLA is

774
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:34,160
Speaker 2: going to be able to build a team to compete

775
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:36,839
Speaker 2: for nine or ten wins, and they really weren't able

776
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:39,960
Speaker 2: to in the Pac twelve. Especially now, it seems like

777
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:42,760
Speaker 2: trying to sell kids on going to UCLA and playing

778
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:44,840
Speaker 2: all over the Midwest and East Coast, it's going to

779
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:47,840
Speaker 2: be especially difficult for a program that doesn't seem fully

780
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:51,719
Speaker 2: committed to succeeding on a high level in football. Who

781
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:52,160
Speaker 2: do you have?

782
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:55,720
Speaker 3: Well, I kind of went a different way with this. Okay,

783
00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:59,120
Speaker 3: I think if you work an office job and you're

784
00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:03,000
Speaker 3: a college football fan, this playoff system caused some issues.

785
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:05,920
Speaker 3: They played some of these games on weird days at

786
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:07,960
Speaker 3: weird times that they wouldn't normally.

787
00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:10,120
Speaker 2: Oh so you're going non college football people who are

788
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:11,160
Speaker 2: losing out because of this.

789
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:13,160
Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean I could talk to it from about

790
00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:15,759
Speaker 3: a thousand different angles, but that was the first thing

791
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:17,840
Speaker 3: that came to mind. I mean, you and I know

792
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:21,640
Speaker 3: how discombobulated we were just trying to follow this because

793
00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:24,359
Speaker 3: so much of our fall is based around Saturday being

794
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:26,360
Speaker 3: the epicenter of everything when.

795
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:27,040
Speaker 1: You changed that.

796
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:30,839
Speaker 3: Clearly we can find a way around it, but it

797
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:33,160
Speaker 3: makes it harder for people at home to watch. Sure

798
00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:35,520
Speaker 3: if you're doing it during the week now it was

799
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:39,000
Speaker 3: over the holidays. It's probably not fair to fully lump

800
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:41,840
Speaker 3: this in as a bad thing because in many cases

801
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:45,440
Speaker 3: we were getting football on nights we wouldn't otherwise, So

802
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:47,920
Speaker 3: it's not inherently a bad thing. I do think it

803
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:50,640
Speaker 3: was more inconvenient. So there are definitely some people out

804
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:54,280
Speaker 3: there who are like, I gotta go to work tomorrow. Yeah,

805
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:56,400
Speaker 3: We're going to DVR this one. We'll watch the highlights

806
00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:59,040
Speaker 3: on Sports Center tomorrow. Yeah, that's the first thing that comes.

807
00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:00,560
Speaker 2: To Sports Center. Still exists? Is that still on?

808
00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:01,439
Speaker 3: It does?

809
00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:02,239
Speaker 1: Apparently?

810
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:06,440
Speaker 3: Yes, Okay, you gotta find it apparently, Yes, Okay. I

811
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:08,560
Speaker 3: think Greg sank you would argue that the SEC was

812
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:11,720
Speaker 3: a big loser. Yeah.

813
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:15,560
Speaker 2: I mean, as schedules get more difficult, and no conference

814
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:17,120
Speaker 2: is fully going to get the benefit of the doubt

815
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:19,239
Speaker 2: if you get those third losses in there.

816
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:23,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, Greg SANKI would argue. He has argued that the

817
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:26,759
Speaker 3: SEC Miss dut Lane Kiffin argued that ole Miss was

818
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:28,960
Speaker 3: a big loser in this system.

819
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:31,200
Speaker 2: But they definitely almost won their bowl game, right to

820
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:39,879
Speaker 2: sort of shut up everybody, right, Yeah.

821
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:42,799
Speaker 3: I do think that the biggest loser is probably some

822
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:49,719
Speaker 3: of those early season games that typically would have a

823
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:52,400
Speaker 3: lot more of an impact when it comes to the postseason.

824
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:54,840
Speaker 2: But almost won their bowl game by thirty two points.

825
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:57,319
Speaker 2: I'm aware, I think, and we're all all the better

826
00:42:57,400 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 2: for them beating up on Duke. Yeah, but like no,

827
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:05,120
Speaker 2: Notre Dame losing a week two da NIU. Yeah, those

828
00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:07,040
Speaker 2: are the types of games that people talk about for

829
00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:09,240
Speaker 2: years to come. We did a whole episode talking about

830
00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:12,839
Speaker 2: ones that we remember from your past. Yeah, the ones

831
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:16,600
Speaker 2: that occurred in years past had a lot more significance.

832
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:18,320
Speaker 1: At the end of the season.

833
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:23,000
Speaker 3: Now Notre Dame went on this incredible run, they ripped

834
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:25,720
Speaker 3: through the field. They end up with just one regular

835
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:29,759
Speaker 3: season loss. Clearly they're going to get in. There has

836
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:32,520
Speaker 3: been an argument against this playoff format because of that

837
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:37,040
Speaker 3: very circumstance. Yeah, giving the regular season a little bit

838
00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:41,799
Speaker 3: less value. I'm not going to argue that those people

839
00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:44,040
Speaker 3: are wrong. I do think it gave the regular season

840
00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:46,719
Speaker 3: a little bit less value. I don't think I mind it.

841
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:52,200
Speaker 3: I'm okay with this format. But I certainly understand that argument,

842
00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:53,960
Speaker 3: and I think you can make a case that the

843
00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:57,200
Speaker 3: early part of the season, some of the upsets, or

844
00:43:57,239 --> 00:43:59,359
Speaker 3: at least the thrill of the upset that we saw

845
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:04,879
Speaker 3: throughout the course twenty twenty four, the significance of those

846
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:08,680
Speaker 3: games perhaps was the biggest loser in this expanded format.

847
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:14,400
Speaker 2: I would say the salespeople who are selling title sponsorships

848
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:16,560
Speaker 2: for Bowl games, because.

849
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:18,719
Speaker 3: It does not seem bowl games by the way, might

850
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:19,400
Speaker 3: be the answer.

851
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:21,680
Speaker 2: Bull games are an answer.

852
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:24,960
Speaker 3: Non playoff bowl games might be the answer to Janie's question.

853
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:27,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just tough when you see some of the

854
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:29,719
Speaker 2: stands empty. It's tough when you're like, yeah, this game

855
00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:34,000
Speaker 2: was sponsored by an office park in Nampa, Idaho. You're like, Okay,

856
00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:39,240
Speaker 2: that seems disappointing. It seems like a low bar to clear.

857
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:46,120
Speaker 2: So yes, I would say the attention and the merit

858
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:51,880
Speaker 2: and the whatever, the prestige of mid tier Bowl games

859
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:54,880
Speaker 2: that don't have a fun sponsor like you know, cheese

860
00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:57,600
Speaker 2: It or pop Tarts or something like that, a snackable sponsor,

861
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:01,840
Speaker 2: it's a it seems like they've taken a hit in

862
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:04,360
Speaker 2: terms of relevance for sure.

863
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:10,160
Speaker 3: I think that's fair. Dan. Okay, let's go to let

864
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:14,239
Speaker 3: me pull up this next question. Yeah, this one is

865
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:20,600
Speaker 3: about preferred offensive styles. Okay, which style a football slash

866
00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:24,880
Speaker 3: offense is the most effective when all cylinders are running.

867
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:30,799
Speaker 3: So a couple different ways you can take this question, right, Yeah.

868
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:36,200
Speaker 3: I think the spirit of what Jordan was going for

869
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:41,600
Speaker 3: with this question is specific offensive system. Specific offensive system

870
00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:46,520
Speaker 3: that you feel, when it is fully optimized, is virtually unstoppable.

871
00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:50,160
Speaker 3: Is there anything that comes to mind, because I have

872
00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:55,120
Speaker 3: a couple any species of power running.

873
00:45:56,360 --> 00:45:58,319
Speaker 2: If you're able to control clock, if you're able to

874
00:45:58,600 --> 00:46:01,240
Speaker 2: physically control a team, if you are able to mentally

875
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:03,080
Speaker 2: control a team that they can't get off the field

876
00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:05,800
Speaker 2: on third and three, and that you are just mowing

877
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:09,680
Speaker 2: down clock and ending drives and points touchdowns.

878
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:11,240
Speaker 3: This is twenty twenty three Michigan.

879
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:14,719
Speaker 2: It's well, but the offense wasn't. I don't have the

880
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:17,560
Speaker 2: numbers in front of me. Twenty twenty three Michigan. I

881
00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:20,880
Speaker 2: think was more led by defense and an efficient offense.

882
00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:26,080
Speaker 2: I think this is more like the height of early

883
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:30,200
Speaker 2: Bama on the ground. This is the height of Stanford.

884
00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:33,640
Speaker 2: This is the height of option teams where you're just like,

885
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:37,399
Speaker 2: you're losing every game twenty four to seven. You have

886
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:41,160
Speaker 2: the ball nineteen percent of the time, and there's not

887
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:43,640
Speaker 2: much you can do because your defense can't get off

888
00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:48,520
Speaker 2: the field. In terms of pure efficiency, I think that's

889
00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:52,440
Speaker 2: the way to go, because we're asking about offensive style

890
00:46:52,719 --> 00:46:54,719
Speaker 2: and if you're sort of talent agnostic on this, if

891
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:56,879
Speaker 2: I'm using that term correctly, where you're just like, yeah,

892
00:46:56,880 --> 00:46:59,480
Speaker 2: if you have like Alabama's receivers from twenty twenty to

893
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:02,560
Speaker 2: twenty nine team, that's the best style. But no, that's

894
00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:06,160
Speaker 2: not a style as much as it is construction and style.

895
00:47:06,600 --> 00:47:10,680
Speaker 2: But if it's pure like this team will score three

896
00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:15,080
Speaker 2: and a half points a drive and almost never give

897
00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:18,360
Speaker 2: the ball up because it is such a ball control

898
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:22,000
Speaker 2: heavy team and there's blocking tight ends and blocking receivers

899
00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:27,359
Speaker 2: and nasty guards whatever. I think from an efficiency standpoint,

900
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:30,560
Speaker 2: you're gonna probably have left turnovers because you're not throwing

901
00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:35,720
Speaker 2: the ball a ton. I think a highly powerful rushing

902
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:40,279
Speaker 2: attack based offense, whether it's the spread with Ohio State

903
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:42,200
Speaker 2: and Ezekiel Elliott or something like that, or if it's

904
00:47:42,239 --> 00:47:45,400
Speaker 2: power like Stanford under center, whether it's the best of

905
00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:50,759
Speaker 2: the option teams I think that's the height of perfect

906
00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:54,040
Speaker 2: demoralizing offensive football.

907
00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:56,440
Speaker 3: The first thing that came to mind for me was,

908
00:47:57,160 --> 00:48:01,319
Speaker 3: and again Jordan's question here is when fully optimize, what

909
00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:02,640
Speaker 3: style is most effective?

910
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:03,240
Speaker 2: Yeah?

911
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:07,200
Speaker 3: Okay, not pretty. Effect doesn't need to be pretty, it

912
00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:07,960
Speaker 3: needs to be effective.

913
00:48:08,120 --> 00:48:08,520
Speaker 1: Yeah.

914
00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:12,239
Speaker 3: I think if you've got a quarterback, maybe not with

915
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:15,799
Speaker 3: crazy arm talent, but a quarterback who knows how to

916
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:20,879
Speaker 3: process it, makes good decisions, understands the offense. If you've

917
00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:24,000
Speaker 3: got that guy, which clearly feeds into being fully optimized.

918
00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:26,040
Speaker 2: Right, But that's not a system, it's not a system.

919
00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:31,719
Speaker 2: And getting that system that attribute, Yeah.

920
00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:33,000
Speaker 3: You need that attribute to make this system go. Because

921
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:36,719
Speaker 3: the system I'm thinking of is pretty much like the

922
00:48:36,719 --> 00:48:40,880
Speaker 3: modern spread offense, but with RPO concepts mixed in. Because

923
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:42,919
Speaker 3: if you've got an offense like that, you're already taking

924
00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:46,080
Speaker 3: advantage of space. It's an adaptable offense that you can

925
00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:48,320
Speaker 3: do a lot with. You can run out of that, clearly,

926
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:51,400
Speaker 3: you can pass out of that. It keeps defenses honest.

927
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:53,600
Speaker 3: Are you backing off receivers? Are you playing up to

928
00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:56,680
Speaker 3: guard against RPOs? Are you playing up to guard against

929
00:48:56,719 --> 00:48:59,120
Speaker 3: the run. Can you even afford to stack the box?

930
00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:02,000
Speaker 3: Without risking something over the top. If you've got the

931
00:49:02,080 --> 00:49:05,319
Speaker 3: quarterback who knows how to make that engine go and

932
00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:08,720
Speaker 3: knows how to read a defense and where the ball

933
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:12,000
Speaker 3: needs to go, not necessarily throwing dimes thirty five yards

934
00:49:12,040 --> 00:49:14,200
Speaker 3: down the field, but just knows where the ball needs

935
00:49:14,239 --> 00:49:16,440
Speaker 3: to go and what the right way is to call

936
00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:20,240
Speaker 3: out protections and call the best possible play. That play,

937
00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:24,360
Speaker 3: that system of plays, I should say, with those RPOs

938
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:28,160
Speaker 3: mixed in, is kind of unguardable, right, It's kind of unguardable.

939
00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:30,640
Speaker 3: So I'm with you on the power rushing attack. That

940
00:49:30,680 --> 00:49:33,080
Speaker 3: could be frustrating as hell, and it's hard to watch.

941
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:35,600
Speaker 3: It is hard to watch if your team is playing

942
00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:38,279
Speaker 3: a team like that. Yeah, But for my mind where

943
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:41,480
Speaker 3: we're at right now, mix in some version of the

944
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:44,840
Speaker 3: spread with RPOs with a quarterback who knows where he

945
00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:48,360
Speaker 3: is supposed to go with the football, that's very frustrating

946
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:49,560
Speaker 3: as well.

947
00:49:49,719 --> 00:49:51,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, So here's what I would say. I would say,

948
00:49:51,560 --> 00:49:53,960
Speaker 2: we're sort of both talking about the same thing.

949
00:49:54,120 --> 00:49:54,440
Speaker 3: We are.

950
00:49:54,560 --> 00:49:57,200
Speaker 2: We kind of end we're talking about the same thing.

951
00:49:57,400 --> 00:49:59,560
Speaker 2: You're You're talking more about, you know, qualities at a

952
00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:02,879
Speaker 2: quarterback has in running that offense. I think we're talking

953
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:06,640
Speaker 2: about twenty eleven Wisconsin. Okay, I think we're talking about

954
00:50:06,719 --> 00:50:10,800
Speaker 2: Russ Wilson, Paul Chris Brett, Bielima, Chris Ashes running the defense.

955
00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:13,080
Speaker 2: That was his first year. I'm just reading Wikipedia at

956
00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:15,680
Speaker 2: this point. Yeah, yeah, I got But that's a Monty

957
00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:23,759
Speaker 2: Monte ball Wisconsin team with Wisconsin's only electric quarterback in

958
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:28,560
Speaker 2: the last however many years, if not ever, and they

959
00:50:28,560 --> 00:50:30,120
Speaker 2: did meet their demise in the Rose Bowl. I think

960
00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:32,120
Speaker 2: they lost one or two games in the regular season,

961
00:50:32,520 --> 00:50:37,680
Speaker 2: but at its best when that Wisconsin offense without game

962
00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:40,560
Speaker 2: changing receivers in the way that we've grown to understand

963
00:50:40,560 --> 00:50:43,080
Speaker 2: game changing receivers in the last few years, they had

964
00:50:43,120 --> 00:50:46,520
Speaker 2: good players, but not dominant players at receiver if my

965
00:50:46,600 --> 00:50:49,920
Speaker 2: memory serves. But having that type of offensive line and

966
00:50:50,040 --> 00:50:52,880
Speaker 2: running back dominance with a quarterback who could compliment that

967
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:58,520
Speaker 2: and at times, if needed, make huge plays, that's probably

968
00:50:58,600 --> 00:51:01,960
Speaker 2: the most efficient way to do things in terms of

969
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:05,120
Speaker 2: demoralizing a team. We've had Alabama teams like that. Look,

970
00:51:05,239 --> 00:51:08,560
Speaker 2: the most efficient offense of the most efficient element of

971
00:51:08,600 --> 00:51:13,240
Speaker 2: an offense is to have a specific, unstoppable star player.

972
00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:15,799
Speaker 2: It's to have Lamar Jackson's to have Cam Newton. It's

973
00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:18,080
Speaker 2: to hand the ball off to Dereck Henry and say,

974
00:51:18,200 --> 00:51:20,080
Speaker 2: I think we're gonna be all right. I think we're

975
00:51:20,080 --> 00:51:24,239
Speaker 2: gonna be alright twenty fifteen Alabama. But full composition, it's

976
00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:26,080
Speaker 2: having those you know, to be able to do that

977
00:51:26,120 --> 00:51:30,160
Speaker 2: for four quarters with multiple fresh legs, NFL caliber offensive

978
00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:34,759
Speaker 2: line and not overthink things and take unnecessary chances. It's

979
00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:38,240
Speaker 2: probably the most efficient way to go. Teams just can't

980
00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:40,560
Speaker 2: build that, Nelselie, No you can't.

981
00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:43,520
Speaker 3: All right, I organized these into a couple buckets. I'm

982
00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:45,439
Speaker 3: gonna pick and choose here for let's say the next

983
00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:48,239
Speaker 3: ten minutes or so, Dan, and we'll wrap this one up.

984
00:51:48,280 --> 00:51:52,879
Speaker 3: Whatever bonus content, Yeah, we can muster from this list

985
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:55,160
Speaker 3: of questions. We had a bunch that came in. We

986
00:51:55,239 --> 00:51:59,000
Speaker 3: will include some of our favorites on the upcoming bonus

987
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:01,000
Speaker 3: episode that dropped it later this week out on.

988
00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:03,160
Speaker 2: Let's wrap it? So are we rapid firing non college

989
00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:03,960
Speaker 2: football right now?

990
00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:07,200
Speaker 3: We're just gonna rapid fire questions in general? I'll get okay,

991
00:52:07,600 --> 00:52:11,200
Speaker 3: all right, all right, mister Pizzacoli out on Patreon, what's

992
00:52:11,239 --> 00:52:13,960
Speaker 3: your preferred overtime format?

993
00:52:14,040 --> 00:52:14,120
Speaker 1: Go?

994
00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:17,640
Speaker 2: I'm kind of Okay with where we are right now.

995
00:52:18,040 --> 00:52:20,200
Speaker 2: I think there's a heightened sense of drama. I like

996
00:52:20,239 --> 00:52:22,360
Speaker 2: that we've gotten rid of a fresh time out for

997
00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:26,440
Speaker 2: every overtime, and I'm good with the two point conversion thing.

998
00:52:26,719 --> 00:52:30,319
Speaker 2: It makes for good TV, and I'm good with that

999
00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:33,040
Speaker 2: as somebody who consumes this game largely on TV. So

1000
00:52:33,800 --> 00:52:35,000
Speaker 2: that's a cop out answer.

1001
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:36,960
Speaker 3: Rapid fire, rapid fire.

1002
00:52:37,160 --> 00:52:39,319
Speaker 2: I like it. Commit can change. I'm good with it.

1003
00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:41,640
Speaker 3: Speak with your chest, go back to the twenty five

1004
00:52:41,719 --> 00:52:44,680
Speaker 3: yard line. Have everybody started the twenty five yard line.

1005
00:52:44,760 --> 00:52:47,320
Speaker 3: The variation I put on it is everybody's got to

1006
00:52:47,320 --> 00:52:48,120
Speaker 3: go for two right away?

1007
00:52:49,160 --> 00:52:50,160
Speaker 1: Got it right away?

1008
00:52:50,200 --> 00:52:51,200
Speaker 2: I'm absolutely good with that.

1009
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:54,279
Speaker 3: Yes, okay, get rid of the kicks thing. But if

1010
00:52:54,280 --> 00:52:55,680
Speaker 3: you score a touchdown, you got to go for two.

1011
00:52:55,680 --> 00:52:56,680
Speaker 1: You can't kick. Dish your point.

1012
00:52:57,040 --> 00:52:58,560
Speaker 2: I agree with that, all right.

1013
00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:01,560
Speaker 3: Andrew says is already a feature of the new Big

1014
00:53:01,560 --> 00:53:02,040
Speaker 3: twelve or.

1015
00:53:02,040 --> 00:53:03,560
Speaker 1: A bug from the first season.

1016
00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:08,680
Speaker 2: I wouldn't judge anything based on one season. I think

1017
00:53:08,719 --> 00:53:09,600
Speaker 2: parody is a feature.

1018
00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:12,319
Speaker 1: I think parody is a future and I love it.

1019
00:53:12,320 --> 00:53:12,759
Speaker 2: It's great.

1020
00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:13,160
Speaker 1: I love it.

1021
00:53:13,200 --> 00:53:17,160
Speaker 3: Actually, we're going to talk about some Big twelve next week,

1022
00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:19,040
Speaker 3: so stay tuned Andrew, Okay, we'll talk.

1023
00:53:19,120 --> 00:53:21,960
Speaker 2: Don't judge the Big Twelve on national championships. Judge the

1024
00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:24,360
Speaker 2: Big Twelve on how entertained am I week in and

1025
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:24,799
Speaker 2: week out.

1026
00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:27,560
Speaker 3: Chako, would you be comfortable with Notre Dame, Penn State,

1027
00:53:27,560 --> 00:53:30,719
Speaker 3: and Oregon adopting a GM model like Stanford did with

1028
00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:31,479
Speaker 3: Andrew Luck.

1029
00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:35,040
Speaker 2: Yes. Coaches aren't built to be administrators in the way

1030
00:53:35,040 --> 00:53:38,880
Speaker 2: that they're expected of in every instance, so yes.

1031
00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:41,080
Speaker 3: I like it. I think the caveat is that Andrew

1032
00:53:41,160 --> 00:53:44,879
Speaker 3: Luck has a certain amount of gravitas at Stanford, right

1033
00:53:45,200 --> 00:53:48,640
Speaker 3: he can come in and almost immediately garner the respect

1034
00:53:48,719 --> 00:53:52,600
Speaker 3: of fans of the program, administrators of the program, people

1035
00:53:52,640 --> 00:53:55,480
Speaker 3: that will work to help build that football program. I

1036
00:53:55,480 --> 00:53:58,040
Speaker 3: don't know if every place has a guy like that

1037
00:53:58,680 --> 00:54:01,360
Speaker 3: who is interested in stepping into that role, but I

1038
00:54:01,360 --> 00:54:04,279
Speaker 3: think in theory, in theory, I kind of like it

1039
00:54:04,280 --> 00:54:08,680
Speaker 3: because right now everyone's organized a little bit differently. I

1040
00:54:08,719 --> 00:54:12,960
Speaker 3: don't know to what end it leads to inefficiencies and

1041
00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:16,080
Speaker 3: that type of thing, like if everybody is reporting into

1042
00:54:16,080 --> 00:54:18,200
Speaker 3: the head coach. But the GM is really just in

1043
00:54:18,280 --> 00:54:21,360
Speaker 3: terms of helping in terms of talent and not coaching staff.

1044
00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:23,840
Speaker 3: And yeah, it tends to get muddled. So I like

1045
00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:25,719
Speaker 3: it in theory. I've talked about it a couple of

1046
00:54:25,719 --> 00:54:28,160
Speaker 3: times to how I like it in theory. But I

1047
00:54:28,200 --> 00:54:31,120
Speaker 3: do think in this case it is very relying on personality.

1048
00:54:31,120 --> 00:54:32,560
Speaker 3: For Stanford, I hope it works.

1049
00:54:33,719 --> 00:54:37,920
Speaker 2: The caveat here is the job has never existed in

1050
00:54:37,960 --> 00:54:40,720
Speaker 2: this specific way. No, And so like you'd be okay

1051
00:54:40,760 --> 00:54:43,440
Speaker 2: with it at your school if you have somebody offloading

1052
00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:46,200
Speaker 2: some of the responsibility from your head coach interpersonal stuff,

1053
00:54:46,239 --> 00:54:50,080
Speaker 2: administrative stuff. But it's not an athletic director, it's not

1054
00:54:50,120 --> 00:54:52,600
Speaker 2: a head coach. It's somebody who can understand both of

1055
00:54:52,640 --> 00:54:56,480
Speaker 2: those worlds and occupy both of those worlds. So like, yes,

1056
00:54:56,520 --> 00:54:59,080
Speaker 2: you're okay with it, but it's going to take some

1057
00:54:59,160 --> 00:55:01,960
Speaker 2: time for a pool of people to understand and be

1058
00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:04,960
Speaker 2: able to execute the demands of that job. If you

1059
00:55:05,040 --> 00:55:07,120
Speaker 2: had to add a third permanent host who was a

1060
00:55:07,120 --> 00:55:09,520
Speaker 2: former college football player, who would it be from Davis?

1061
00:55:11,880 --> 00:55:13,600
Speaker 2: Andy Staples technically counts here.

1062
00:55:13,719 --> 00:55:15,759
Speaker 1: He does, Yeah, he does, he does.

1063
00:55:16,120 --> 00:55:17,520
Speaker 2: I would be somebody that we have to have a

1064
00:55:17,520 --> 00:55:20,160
Speaker 2: good pre existing report. We I mean, it's mostly offensive

1065
00:55:20,160 --> 00:55:24,080
Speaker 2: lineman Jeff Schwartz, Marshall Newhouse Andy Staples.

1066
00:55:25,120 --> 00:55:27,400
Speaker 1: I would add JJ McCarthy.

1067
00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:31,080
Speaker 2: Do you know who I think why JJ McCarthy.

1068
00:55:31,960 --> 00:55:32,960
Speaker 1: JJ McCarthy.

1069
00:55:33,320 --> 00:55:35,880
Speaker 2: Of he's very young, he won't understand any of our references.

1070
00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:37,480
Speaker 2: He won understand heard of Seinfeldt.

1071
00:55:37,560 --> 00:55:40,560
Speaker 3: He will breathe new life into our show and our demographics.

1072
00:55:40,600 --> 00:55:43,800
Speaker 3: I would add, Okay, he's also going to be the

1073
00:55:43,840 --> 00:55:46,000
Speaker 3: starting quarterback I believe for the Vikings. So he may

1074
00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:47,719
Speaker 3: not have the time, but he is technically a former

1075
00:55:47,760 --> 00:55:48,680
Speaker 3: college football player.

1076
00:55:49,239 --> 00:55:50,560
Speaker 1: And you know that.

1077
00:55:50,640 --> 00:55:52,239
Speaker 3: I mean you and I both pay attention to this

1078
00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:55,000
Speaker 3: type of thing because we're in the media world here.

1079
00:55:55,480 --> 00:56:00,000
Speaker 3: But I am always listening to postgame interviews to try

1080
00:56:00,200 --> 00:56:05,000
Speaker 3: and evaluate which players I think will be good on

1081
00:56:05,080 --> 00:56:07,680
Speaker 3: camera or in some sort of studio set up or

1082
00:56:07,719 --> 00:56:10,640
Speaker 3: in a booth somewhere when they're playing. Get over. JJ

1083
00:56:10,719 --> 00:56:14,359
Speaker 3: McCarthy is the smoothest in front of a camera of

1084
00:56:14,480 --> 00:56:17,279
Speaker 3: a current or former player, frankly, that I've ever seen

1085
00:56:17,320 --> 00:56:17,719
Speaker 3: in my life.

1086
00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:18,719
Speaker 1: And he is very young.

1087
00:56:18,800 --> 00:56:21,600
Speaker 2: I don't want somebody making us look bad he is physically,

1088
00:56:21,640 --> 00:56:23,120
Speaker 2: he's going to make us look ancient.

1089
00:56:24,080 --> 00:56:25,480
Speaker 1: These are all things that are true.

1090
00:56:25,800 --> 00:56:28,040
Speaker 3: I'm just saying in terms of somebody who could step

1091
00:56:28,080 --> 00:56:34,080
Speaker 3: in and immediately command the microphone in the audience. JJ

1092
00:56:34,160 --> 00:56:35,080
Speaker 3: McCarthy's my answer.

1093
00:56:35,760 --> 00:56:37,560
Speaker 2: Okay, So I'm only going to answer this from a

1094
00:56:37,640 --> 00:56:40,560
Speaker 2: perspective of people we don't know and haven't been guessed,

1095
00:56:40,560 --> 00:56:41,920
Speaker 2: because I don't want to hurt like we've had, Like

1096
00:56:41,960 --> 00:56:43,799
Speaker 2: I think Yogi Roth would be great, like he does

1097
00:56:43,840 --> 00:56:46,239
Speaker 2: a great job all these players. So I don't know.

1098
00:56:46,680 --> 00:56:48,600
Speaker 2: Even though I've interviewed him a couple times, I don't

1099
00:56:48,600 --> 00:56:50,080
Speaker 2: know him. I'm not friendly with him. I don't have

1100
00:56:50,120 --> 00:56:52,719
Speaker 2: a relationship with him. I kind of think RG three

1101
00:56:52,800 --> 00:56:56,239
Speaker 2: is built to be a real quality podcaster. I might

1102
00:56:56,239 --> 00:56:58,000
Speaker 2: have a podcast. I think he's got a podcast. I

1103
00:56:58,000 --> 00:56:58,640
Speaker 2: think he does too.

1104
00:56:58,760 --> 00:56:59,920
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1105
00:57:00,200 --> 00:57:02,920
Speaker 2: I think his energy is really good for this medium,

1106
00:57:03,160 --> 00:57:05,160
Speaker 2: and I think he's a good play by play announcer.

1107
00:57:05,160 --> 00:57:07,359
Speaker 2: I think he needs to maybe lock in a little

1108
00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:11,880
Speaker 2: bit and stay on task, but I kind of enjoy that,

1109
00:57:12,120 --> 00:57:15,080
Speaker 2: you know, he lets out his personality. He weirdly gets

1110
00:57:15,120 --> 00:57:19,200
Speaker 2: horny comparing things during a college football game. I can

1111
00:57:19,240 --> 00:57:21,480
Speaker 2: relate to that. So I would say RG three I

1112
00:57:21,480 --> 00:57:24,840
Speaker 2: think would be a welcome addition to the solid verbal universe.

1113
00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:27,400
Speaker 3: Kyle out on Twitter. If you were stuck on a

1114
00:57:27,480 --> 00:57:30,000
Speaker 3: deserted island and had to pick two college football coaches

1115
00:57:30,040 --> 00:57:30,760
Speaker 3: to be there with you.

1116
00:57:30,920 --> 00:57:32,040
Speaker 1: Who would you pick?

1117
00:57:32,120 --> 00:57:35,720
Speaker 3: Now, we have gotten variations of this question a million

1118
00:57:35,800 --> 00:57:39,000
Speaker 3: times over over the last fifteen years. I thought this

1119
00:57:39,040 --> 00:57:43,600
Speaker 3: one was particularly interesting because, speaking for myself.

1120
00:57:43,560 --> 00:57:45,200
Speaker 1: I have no survival skills.

1121
00:57:46,880 --> 00:57:49,720
Speaker 3: I have no survival skills, So I need to pick

1122
00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:54,680
Speaker 3: two coaches that are probably physically fit enough that they

1123
00:57:54,680 --> 00:57:57,440
Speaker 3: can handle whatever sort of building needs to occur on

1124
00:57:57,480 --> 00:58:02,120
Speaker 3: the island to construct shelter, raft, just something to keep

1125
00:58:02,160 --> 00:58:04,800
Speaker 3: you safe, maybe from the critters that are also on

1126
00:58:04,840 --> 00:58:08,160
Speaker 3: the island, right, as well as coaches who actually know

1127
00:58:08,200 --> 00:58:12,080
Speaker 3: how to survive without food, without potable water, without the

1128
00:58:12,120 --> 00:58:12,600
Speaker 3: types of.

1129
00:58:12,520 --> 00:58:15,960
Speaker 1: Things that you would need. Well, yeah, on a deserted island.

1130
00:58:16,400 --> 00:58:20,080
Speaker 3: Her he was chopped, her he was un chopped, Her

1131
00:58:20,200 --> 00:58:22,480
Speaker 3: hand was on chopped, but they gave him the ingredients

1132
00:58:22,520 --> 00:58:22,960
Speaker 3: on chopped.

1133
00:58:23,200 --> 00:58:25,160
Speaker 2: I know. But what I'm saying is, if he's wandering

1134
00:58:25,200 --> 00:58:28,680
Speaker 2: around an island and finding coconuts and finding leaves, he

1135
00:58:28,680 --> 00:58:30,120
Speaker 2: can assemble something for us.

1136
00:58:30,960 --> 00:58:33,880
Speaker 3: The two head coaches that I zeroed in on, Okay,

1137
00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:38,080
Speaker 3: the first is Mike Gundy. Okay, Mike Gundy. If you

1138
00:58:38,160 --> 00:58:42,960
Speaker 3: go back, Bruce wrote an article twenty seventeen. Is an outdoorsman,

1139
00:58:43,840 --> 00:58:48,200
Speaker 3: big time outdoorsmen, also kind of nuts, which I think

1140
00:58:48,240 --> 00:58:50,640
Speaker 3: you would need. I think you would need somebody who's

1141
00:58:50,640 --> 00:58:52,520
Speaker 3: got a little bit of a screw loose with you

1142
00:58:52,600 --> 00:58:55,480
Speaker 3: on the deserted island, just to keep things fresh and interesting.

1143
00:58:55,800 --> 00:58:56,120
Speaker 2: Okay.

1144
00:58:56,960 --> 00:58:59,360
Speaker 3: He went on, like rattlesnake hunts and knows a lot

1145
00:58:59,400 --> 00:59:02,840
Speaker 3: about hunt rattlesnakes and that sort of thing. I feel

1146
00:59:02,840 --> 00:59:04,840
Speaker 3: like Gundi would be to be a good addition. I

1147
00:59:04,840 --> 00:59:07,160
Speaker 3: would need somebody like that because I would probably be

1148
00:59:07,280 --> 00:59:09,800
Speaker 3: scared out of my mind to be on a deserted island.

1149
00:59:10,120 --> 00:59:12,440
Speaker 3: And I feel like Gundhy's just a little bit crazy

1150
00:59:12,560 --> 00:59:15,000
Speaker 3: enough that he could take away some of that edche.

1151
00:59:15,200 --> 00:59:16,720
Speaker 2: He'd be the You're also going to have to hang

1152
00:59:16,760 --> 00:59:18,880
Speaker 2: out with Mike Gundy. I understand every day.

1153
00:59:19,000 --> 00:59:20,920
Speaker 3: I understand that, But I'm just thinking in terms of

1154
00:59:21,000 --> 00:59:24,400
Speaker 3: keeping my head above water here and surviving until a

1155
00:59:24,440 --> 00:59:27,800
Speaker 3: plane sees me with the mirror or something. Right, Sure, Gundy,

1156
00:59:27,840 --> 00:59:30,360
Speaker 3: I think is a good answer. The other one, believe

1157
00:59:30,360 --> 00:59:34,640
Speaker 3: it or not, is Scott Frost. And let me explain why. Yeah,

1158
00:59:34,720 --> 00:59:39,160
Speaker 3: Scott Frost grew up in rural Nebraska on a farm. Okay,

1159
00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:41,640
Speaker 3: and notably, he knows how to hunt, he knows how

1160
00:59:41,680 --> 00:59:44,120
Speaker 3: to fish, he knows how to conduct himself out.

1161
00:59:43,920 --> 00:59:45,400
Speaker 1: In the wilderness.

1162
00:59:45,480 --> 00:59:47,880
Speaker 2: Just tie out there with Mike Gundy and Scott Frost

1163
00:59:48,040 --> 00:59:48,760
Speaker 2: chatting it up.

1164
00:59:48,920 --> 00:59:50,720
Speaker 3: I'm not saying we got a whole lot of shared

1165
00:59:50,760 --> 00:59:54,280
Speaker 3: life experience, uh huh. But give me the guy who

1166
00:59:54,400 --> 00:59:58,760
Speaker 3: hunts the rattlesnakes along with the farmer on the island.

1167
00:59:59,080 --> 01:00:02,320
Speaker 3: Both guys not afraid to conduct themselves in the outdoors.

1168
01:00:02,960 --> 01:00:08,320
Speaker 3: That's true, Okay, I need that otherwise I'm dead. But

1169
01:00:08,440 --> 01:00:10,000
Speaker 3: you are going to be sitting around a fire with

1170
01:00:10,040 --> 01:00:13,400
Speaker 3: these two. I can make do every night. I can

1171
01:00:13,520 --> 01:00:17,560
Speaker 3: make do until the rescuers get there. But I just

1172
01:00:17,640 --> 01:00:20,600
Speaker 3: got to stay alive until they do.

1173
01:00:20,600 --> 01:00:23,440
Speaker 2: Do you think either of those guys, between Scott Frost

1174
01:00:23,480 --> 01:00:26,520
Speaker 2: and Mike Gundy, let's say you're up climbing a tree

1175
01:00:26,960 --> 01:00:29,600
Speaker 2: in search of coconuts or something like that, and you

1176
01:00:29,680 --> 01:00:32,080
Speaker 2: fall and break your leg and it gets infected, do

1177
01:00:32,160 --> 01:00:34,160
Speaker 2: you think either one of them would have what it

1178
01:00:34,200 --> 01:00:36,960
Speaker 2: takes to put you down, To put me down, to

1179
01:00:37,000 --> 01:00:38,840
Speaker 2: put me down, you just put you out of your misery,

1180
01:00:39,200 --> 01:00:41,120
Speaker 2: or put if Mike Gundy's climbing up a tree for

1181
01:00:41,200 --> 01:00:46,120
Speaker 2: some coconuts, that Scott Frost would have the stones to

1182
01:00:46,160 --> 01:00:46,960
Speaker 2: do what is needed.

1183
01:00:47,520 --> 01:00:49,760
Speaker 3: I mean, Scott Frost couldn't finish when he was a coach.

1184
01:00:50,200 --> 01:00:51,840
Speaker 3: That was part of the problem. That's part of why

1185
01:00:51,880 --> 01:00:54,160
Speaker 3: he got run out of town. So I'm not sure

1186
01:00:54,160 --> 01:00:55,160
Speaker 3: he would be the answer.

1187
01:00:54,920 --> 01:00:57,240
Speaker 2: I make those tough decisions. I couldn't do it on

1188
01:00:57,280 --> 01:00:58,160
Speaker 2: a deserted island.

1189
01:00:58,280 --> 01:00:58,440
Speaker 1: No.

1190
01:00:58,840 --> 01:01:02,680
Speaker 3: No, I would be there for random factoids that may

1191
01:01:02,720 --> 01:01:06,680
Speaker 3: only interest me. I could keep the conversation going. Yeah,

1192
01:01:07,040 --> 01:01:09,840
Speaker 3: otherwise I'd be useless. That's part of why I'm bringing

1193
01:01:10,240 --> 01:01:12,320
Speaker 3: these guys onto my island, because I feel like they

1194
01:01:12,320 --> 01:01:15,480
Speaker 3: at least would know what they're doing out there to

1195
01:01:15,560 --> 01:01:18,240
Speaker 3: keep us alive long enough, hopefully until the rescuers get there.

1196
01:01:19,240 --> 01:01:23,280
Speaker 2: I don't know the outdoors background of Shane Beemer, but

1197
01:01:23,320 --> 01:01:26,800
Speaker 2: there's something relentless about Shane Beemer that like he is

1198
01:01:26,840 --> 01:01:30,959
Speaker 2: not sleeping until this hut is built, and I kind

1199
01:01:30,960 --> 01:01:35,040
Speaker 2: of like that out of Shane Beemer. Also, he's younger, right,

1200
01:01:35,080 --> 01:01:37,360
Speaker 2: there's just gonna be more energy. And Scott Frost is

1201
01:01:37,360 --> 01:01:40,960
Speaker 2: on the younger side too. Mike Gundy's not young so

1202
01:01:41,000 --> 01:01:43,600
Speaker 2: how much energy you're actually getting out of Mike Gundy? Like,

1203
01:01:43,640 --> 01:01:46,800
Speaker 2: sure he has history trapping animals, but how old is

1204
01:01:46,840 --> 01:01:47,960
Speaker 2: he sixty something?

1205
01:01:48,040 --> 01:01:49,560
Speaker 1: Well, Shane Beemer is forty eight.

1206
01:01:49,920 --> 01:01:52,360
Speaker 2: No, he's not sixty something. Mike Gundy is fifty. He's

1207
01:01:52,360 --> 01:01:52,600
Speaker 2: a man.

1208
01:01:52,640 --> 01:01:56,280
Speaker 3: Excuse me, he's fifty. He's fifty seven. Yeah, Scott Frost

1209
01:01:56,360 --> 01:02:01,920
Speaker 3: is fifty. Yeah, and your boy, Shane Biemer is forty eight.

1210
01:02:01,960 --> 01:02:03,840
Speaker 1: Another name that I considered, I.

1211
01:02:03,840 --> 01:02:06,360
Speaker 2: Would go landing with the relentlessness and the energy.

1212
01:02:07,160 --> 01:02:10,320
Speaker 1: Another name that I considered, yeah, Jim Mora Junior.

1213
01:02:12,000 --> 01:02:13,200
Speaker 2: Okay, Jim Mora.

1214
01:02:13,160 --> 01:02:17,600
Speaker 3: Junior is apparently in impeccable shape. I believe he's sixty three,

1215
01:02:18,160 --> 01:02:20,600
Speaker 3: so at least relative to some of these other names,

1216
01:02:20,640 --> 01:02:21,160
Speaker 3: he would.

1217
01:02:20,920 --> 01:02:22,720
Speaker 2: Be Are you saying that you'd be able to eat

1218
01:02:22,800 --> 01:02:23,480
Speaker 2: his carcass?

1219
01:02:23,560 --> 01:02:27,320
Speaker 3: No? No, no, to listen to me, Go and do some

1220
01:02:27,400 --> 01:02:31,280
Speaker 3: research or research on Jim Morra Junior. Jim Mora Junior

1221
01:02:31,400 --> 01:02:37,440
Speaker 3: has done several adventures in mountaineering. He climbed Tolman Jarro

1222
01:02:37,600 --> 01:02:41,280
Speaker 3: to help benefit clean water in Africa. He also climbed

1223
01:02:41,320 --> 01:02:46,040
Speaker 3: Mount Rainier with I believe it was Roger Goodell. And

1224
01:02:46,120 --> 01:02:52,160
Speaker 3: so he's clearly comfortable in that setting. Supposedly, his data

1225
01:02:52,480 --> 01:02:57,040
Speaker 3: was indicative of him being the best equipped of any

1226
01:02:57,040 --> 01:02:59,440
Speaker 3: of the other people on the adventure. Physically, he was

1227
01:02:59,480 --> 01:03:02,960
Speaker 3: in the best so provided he takes care of himself,

1228
01:03:02,960 --> 01:03:05,880
Speaker 3: he is somebody else who is comfortable in that type

1229
01:03:05,880 --> 01:03:10,160
Speaker 3: of setting. The question did not specify whether or not

1230
01:03:11,680 --> 01:03:14,320
Speaker 3: this island has mountains on it, So if this is

1231
01:03:14,360 --> 01:03:18,280
Speaker 3: a mountainous island, then maybe I go somebody like a

1232
01:03:18,360 --> 01:03:20,920
Speaker 3: Jim Mora junior in place of a Scott Frost.

1233
01:03:22,360 --> 01:03:25,000
Speaker 2: I mean, ultimately, what I how I think about this question,

1234
01:03:25,160 --> 01:03:29,160
Speaker 2: is somebody who is physically capable of hunting a wild

1235
01:03:29,280 --> 01:03:33,400
Speaker 2: boar right with self made tools. I don't know about

1236
01:03:33,440 --> 01:03:37,680
Speaker 2: the ability to hike Mount Rainier, but somebody who has

1237
01:03:37,720 --> 01:03:40,800
Speaker 2: what it takes to hunt a wild boar and spearfish,

1238
01:03:41,400 --> 01:03:46,120
Speaker 2: build fires and not seem like a complete jackass around

1239
01:03:46,120 --> 01:03:48,840
Speaker 2: a fire at night. So I don't I don't know

1240
01:03:48,880 --> 01:03:53,720
Speaker 2: who fits that bill got you want somebody with a

1241
01:03:53,760 --> 01:03:56,480
Speaker 2: little bit of a screw loose, which you named yep,

1242
01:03:57,560 --> 01:04:02,080
Speaker 2: but I don't know like which. Like Sam Pittman on

1243
01:04:02,120 --> 01:04:03,080
Speaker 2: the older side.

1244
01:04:03,480 --> 01:04:05,920
Speaker 3: Sam Pittman has talked about I did a lot of

1245
01:04:05,960 --> 01:04:08,000
Speaker 3: research on this question By the way, Yeah, Sam Pittman

1246
01:04:08,480 --> 01:04:14,280
Speaker 3: is on public record speaking of his enjoyment of being

1247
01:04:14,320 --> 01:04:16,600
Speaker 3: out there fishing and hunting that type of thing. I mean,

1248
01:04:17,160 --> 01:04:20,200
Speaker 3: that is not something I know anything about, right, So

1249
01:04:20,320 --> 01:04:22,840
Speaker 3: for me, we need to add that to our trio.

1250
01:04:23,000 --> 01:04:23,880
Speaker 1: Otherwise I'm dead.

1251
01:04:24,200 --> 01:04:26,360
Speaker 3: Somebody who can go out there and kill the wild boar,

1252
01:04:26,520 --> 01:04:29,800
Speaker 3: the wild game, Gundhy would do it with his hands. Yeah,

1253
01:04:29,840 --> 01:04:32,880
Speaker 3: I mean, Gundhy's crazy. So I would take Gundhy on

1254
01:04:32,920 --> 01:04:37,360
Speaker 3: the island again. The fireside chatter I don't know about,

1255
01:04:37,480 --> 01:04:40,400
Speaker 3: but I am more interested in staying alive. I can

1256
01:04:40,480 --> 01:04:43,200
Speaker 3: deal with the occasional disagreement around the campfire.

1257
01:04:43,400 --> 01:04:44,680
Speaker 2: Fair all right.

1258
01:04:44,800 --> 01:04:48,520
Speaker 3: One more question, final question, I referenced it at the top.

1259
01:04:48,600 --> 01:04:49,960
Speaker 1: Is a mermaid of fish or a human?

1260
01:04:50,560 --> 01:04:57,040
Speaker 2: Okay, mermaid is a human to me because of having

1261
01:04:57,120 --> 01:05:01,520
Speaker 2: a human brain. I think that's the defining feature. My

1262
01:05:01,600 --> 01:05:04,880
Speaker 2: big question to you is if you were an ancient sailor,

1263
01:05:07,200 --> 01:05:10,040
Speaker 2: do you think you could avoid the sirens song? No,

1264
01:05:10,640 --> 01:05:14,919
Speaker 2: I definitely couldn't. I would definitely meet my demise because

1265
01:05:14,960 --> 01:05:17,760
Speaker 2: I would be seduced by the siren song. Do sirens

1266
01:05:17,760 --> 01:05:18,880
Speaker 2: have Are they mermaids?

1267
01:05:20,320 --> 01:05:20,800
Speaker 1: I don't know.

1268
01:05:20,960 --> 01:05:22,560
Speaker 2: I think they occupy the same space.

1269
01:05:22,800 --> 01:05:27,800
Speaker 3: Okay, I mean like a mermaid speaks, it sings, it

1270
01:05:27,800 --> 01:05:28,680
Speaker 3: can fall in love.

1271
01:05:28,760 --> 01:05:30,040
Speaker 1: We've seen movies about that.

1272
01:05:30,480 --> 01:05:34,640
Speaker 2: That's Ariel. That's not necessarily that's a disneyfied version of it.

1273
01:05:34,680 --> 01:05:39,680
Speaker 3: But listen, Ariel is the prototypical mermaid. Right, it's at

1274
01:05:39,800 --> 01:05:43,040
Speaker 3: least fifty one percent person. I think it's fifty one

1275
01:05:43,040 --> 01:05:43,640
Speaker 3: percent person.

1276
01:05:44,080 --> 01:05:46,000
Speaker 1: So I'm going human with this, thank you shit.

1277
01:05:46,000 --> 01:05:47,600
Speaker 2: I don't know if I could fully fall in love

1278
01:05:47,640 --> 01:05:51,640
Speaker 2: with a mermaid, but a mermaid could talk me into

1279
01:05:51,680 --> 01:05:52,280
Speaker 2: some stuff.

1280
01:05:52,480 --> 01:05:55,520
Speaker 3: I think I could justify it. Dan, if it were Ariel,

1281
01:05:55,560 --> 01:05:56,680
Speaker 3: I think I could justify it.

1282
01:05:57,640 --> 01:06:00,440
Speaker 2: But you're talking Ariel with the tail or, Ariel land

1283
01:06:00,720 --> 01:06:01,560
Speaker 2: unable to speak.

1284
01:06:04,240 --> 01:06:06,160
Speaker 1: I mean the question was about mermaids. I think I'm

1285
01:06:06,160 --> 01:06:07,040
Speaker 1: talking about with the tail.

1286
01:06:07,160 --> 01:06:12,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think they are more human than not, though

1287
01:06:12,000 --> 01:06:14,880
Speaker 2: it would give me pause about like the long term

1288
01:06:15,160 --> 01:06:16,200
Speaker 2: romantic prospects.

1289
01:06:16,280 --> 01:06:18,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, where you live, where are jobs? How do you

1290
01:06:18,760 --> 01:06:19,600
Speaker 1: get money? That type of thing.

1291
01:06:19,680 --> 01:06:21,520
Speaker 2: No, I'm not thinking about that. I'm just thinking about like,

1292
01:06:21,600 --> 01:06:23,760
Speaker 2: where whose space are we going to?

1293
01:06:24,200 --> 01:06:24,360
Speaker 1: Right?

1294
01:06:24,720 --> 01:06:27,560
Speaker 2: I don't know, but I would say more human than.

1295
01:06:27,560 --> 01:06:29,440
Speaker 3: Fish got to have it in ground pool I'll tell

1296
01:06:29,440 --> 01:06:29,760
Speaker 3: you that.

1297
01:06:31,120 --> 01:06:34,960
Speaker 2: But like, okay, so a mermaid has to have gills,

1298
01:06:35,760 --> 01:06:42,160
Speaker 2: right if they're breathing underwater. Sure, so you're saying they

1299
01:06:42,200 --> 01:06:47,960
Speaker 2: think like a human, but physiologically they're alive because of

1300
01:06:47,960 --> 01:06:49,360
Speaker 2: their fish like qualities.

1301
01:06:49,840 --> 01:06:50,240
Speaker 1: Correct.

1302
01:06:50,480 --> 01:06:53,920
Speaker 2: They move because of their fish like qualities. They breathe

1303
01:06:53,960 --> 01:06:56,840
Speaker 2: because of their fish like qualities. They hunt and eat

1304
01:06:57,120 --> 01:07:00,480
Speaker 2: because of their fish like qualities. Their environment is a

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Speaker 2: fish like environment. What do mermaids eat? Does anybody know?

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Speaker 2: I don't know. It's been a long time since I've

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Speaker 2: seen The Little Mermaid or really research mermaids. Did they

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Speaker 2: ever broach that subject in any movie? Kelp and other

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Speaker 2: small plants attached could be a deal breaker.

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Speaker 1: That could actually be a deal breaker for me.

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Speaker 2: I'm out because they're probably not eating other fish, though

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Speaker 2: it's it's entirely possible, though Ariel was friends with fish

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Speaker 2: and crabs, so I think the implication was Ariel. I

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Speaker 2: don't remember what Ariel ate on land though.

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Speaker 1: This is a very very deep question. Thank you Shay

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Speaker 1: for getting it.

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Speaker 2: But I imagine she's more plant based under the sea.

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Speaker 1: For me.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we've got much more to discuss. We will do

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Speaker 3: that on our bonus episode coming up a little bit

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Speaker 3: later on this week.

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Speaker 1: We've also got an interview. This is another one of

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Speaker 1: those rare weeks where we're dropping public episodes on Wednesday

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Speaker 1: and Friday. Yep, so stay tuned for that. We do

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Speaker 1: have two episodes coming. This is the first of them.

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Speaker 3: Of course, you go over bawlers dot com, you get

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Speaker 3: access to the bonus episode where we are going to

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Speaker 3: go through a bunch of these questions and I feel

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Speaker 3: like we need to unpack a little bit more on

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Speaker 3: this Mermaid thing, so we can do that when we

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Speaker 3: record on whenever we do a little bit like.

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Speaker 2: Have you been somewhere where they have the women in

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Speaker 2: the fish tail? I have like apparatus I have. It's

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Speaker 2: very uncomfortable. It is uncomfortable.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I need to think more about this before

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Speaker 3: I answer definitively.

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Speaker 2: Okay, okay, Mermaid Show, the Mermaid Show.

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Speaker 3: Yes, that guy over there, my good friend Dan Rubinstein,

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Speaker 3: for myself, Tie Hildebrand, for everybody who provided questions, gave

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Speaker 3: us the content.

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Speaker 1: For this here episode. We appreciate it.

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