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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Favorites the podcast from the Action Network.

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Speaker 1: I am Chad Mellman, Chief Content Officer of the Action Network.

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Speaker 1: Today the coronavirus, betting, March madness. What is happening, what

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Speaker 1: will happen? How will it impact us? Later in the show,

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Speaker 1: a longtime NBA player, currently the most popular sports radio

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Speaker 1: host in the Bay Area, which is dealing with the

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Speaker 1: coronavirus front center right now, Tom Tolbert from k n

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Speaker 1: b R. But first let's do the main thing, the

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Speaker 1: main thing from the Action Network, my friend Mr Jarren

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Speaker 1: Revel right now, Darren, the main thing is how coronavirus

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Speaker 1: is impacting sports, how it will impact sport. You're working

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Speaker 1: on a story about it. Tell me what you've learned

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Speaker 1: so far. Well, obviously, Chad, everything is in flux as

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Speaker 1: the stock market crashes and people are being quarantined, and

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Speaker 1: you look at as you mentioned San Francisco and banning

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Speaker 1: anything that has mass crowds in a publicly owned facility

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Speaker 1: at this point, so there's a lot up in the air.

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Speaker 1: We had um the b n P Paribus, the otherwise

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Speaker 1: known as the Indian Wells Tennis Tournament, the first big

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Speaker 1: cancelation happened on Sunday night. Um, and we know that

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Speaker 1: in Europe there has been games being played without crowds.

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Speaker 1: So that's kind of the summary going in. And of

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Speaker 1: course we have March Madness coming up next Thursday. Right now,

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Speaker 1: it's kind of a day to day thing as to

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Speaker 1: it will happen. There's so much that's being considered right now,

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Speaker 1: obviously on the level of things that are freaking me

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Speaker 1: out right now. First and foremost, you know, I say

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Speaker 1: this only partially out of obligation. Make sure everybody stays healthy,

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Speaker 1: make sure my family stays healthy, and make sure all

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Speaker 1: of our colleagues at the Action Network stay healthy. We've

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Speaker 1: been instituting like flexible work from home policies, We've been

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Speaker 1: instituting sort of non essential travel bands, those kinds of things.

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Speaker 1: Second after that being somewhere, like being in the city

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Speaker 1: and then having the city shut down and being quarantined

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Speaker 1: in the city for god knows how. Yeah, Listen, my

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Speaker 1: friend was on the train this morning. He was sitting

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Speaker 1: next to a guy. A guy sneezed, he moved, then

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Speaker 1: he coughed. Ten minutes later, the person sitting in front

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Speaker 1: of him then moved. This is the environment we're in.

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Speaker 1: It's it's it's insane. But let's let's make some projection

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Speaker 1: with different types of scenarios in terms of what you

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Speaker 1: know what would play out. So first and foremost is

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Speaker 1: going to be March Madness. You said March Madness starts Thursday, which,

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Speaker 1: honest to God, feels like a lifetime. And if the

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Speaker 1: BNP parabus was canceled outright right now at this moment,

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Speaker 1: handicapped for me whether or not March Madness is actually

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Speaker 1: even played right now. I think there is a ten

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Speaker 1: percent chance it's canceled, six chance that at least some

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Speaker 1: venues will have no crowd, twenty chance that at least

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Speaker 1: in the beginning all venues will have no crowd. I

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Speaker 1: think there's a five to ten percent chance that everything

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Speaker 1: goes on as scheduled. But I really do think it

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Speaker 1: is that small that nothing is affected. Something will happen.

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Speaker 1: Right BNP parabus canceled last night. They could have played

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Speaker 1: it with no fans. Why do you think they chose

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Speaker 1: to cancel instead of playing with no fans. There was

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Speaker 1: actually a quote from someone involved in tennis, involved in

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Speaker 1: the tournament that they didn't think that it was in

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Speaker 1: the spirit of what their tournament has become and realized

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Speaker 1: that the majority of revenue there is ticket revenue. The

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Speaker 1: majority of revenue for March Madness is not ticket revenue,

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Speaker 1: it's TV revenue. So a tournament that is based on

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Speaker 1: because without the fans, this is nothing. So that's the difference.

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Speaker 1: Think about the downstream impact here on businesses. If March

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Speaker 1: Madness doesn't get pulled off in some way, like let's

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Speaker 1: say they play the games without fans, that has a

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Speaker 1: the vendors, the parking lot tendence, sort of the anciliary

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Speaker 1: the fans that come with it. The only thing I

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Speaker 1: the general economy, it's a drop in the bucket. Yes,

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Speaker 1: Give me accomp of this situation. Is it stars? Is

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Speaker 1: But certainly in my life, I don't think it is stars,

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Speaker 1: to the next thing, the next thing. In this case,

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Speaker 1: the next thing is still Corona related, which is, you've

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Speaker 1: been working on a story about the value of home

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Speaker 1: field advantage baseball, football, basketball, whatever the case may be,

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Speaker 1: all of a sudden that story that you have been

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Speaker 1: tenor how do bookmakers incorporate playing in front of no

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Speaker 1: is to look and it's a complex story because it

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Speaker 1: starts with is home field advantage real? And in general? Uh,

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Speaker 1: smaller percentage straight up versus spreads. For example, in the NBA,

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Speaker 1: of percentage points. But when you're talking about March Madness specifically,

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Speaker 1: you're obviously talking about in general. While teams are not

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Speaker 1: playing in their home arena, obviously there is a mismatch

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Speaker 1: in terms of crowd that larger teams with larger fan

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Speaker 1: then it comes down to, well, how much of home

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Speaker 1: And that's debatable, but if you look at studies in

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Speaker 1: to have an impact on the referees, leading to referee bias,

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Speaker 1: have more fans. There's not really a conclusion, but there

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Speaker 1: is a thought that fans certainly do mean something, and

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Speaker 1: they do mean something in games with great consequence. That

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Speaker 1: gets impacted by crowdless games. And look, my mom, like,

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Speaker 1: unlike a lot of my friends who because we are

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Speaker 1: one of our editors. Here's his story. No matter what,

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Speaker 1: I always bet the New York Islanders to when the

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Speaker 1: going back a long time ago and we played in Tucson.

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Speaker 1: Actually my junior year, we played at home. I think

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Speaker 1: it was the last tournament positive where you could play

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Speaker 1: on your home flour. And it was the weirdest thing

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Speaker 1: because we played you tap were like an eight C,

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Speaker 1: nine C, tenC. I don't even know what we were actually, uh,

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Speaker 1: and we were at home. It was like why we

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Speaker 1: we got beat? Uh? But I still didn't feel a

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Speaker 1: home court advantage. It wasn't our It was our floor,

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Speaker 1: but it wasn't our home court. So again, I don't

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Speaker 1: even know if I would, I would shade it one

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Speaker 1: way or the other, whether whether it's at home. And

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Speaker 1: I do find it interesting that we're talking about getting

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Speaker 1: an edge from the coronavirus because I thought about this

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Speaker 1: last night. I thought about how sick it was, like

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Speaker 1: Gambler is always looking for edges. And then I always

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Speaker 1: think about GM from sports pro sports teams. They have

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Speaker 1: everything built into a a damn algorithm. A guy could

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Speaker 1: be a first rounder, and because he gets in trouble

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Speaker 1: with the law, he's not a first round anymore. But

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00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:08,640
Speaker 1: maybe there's value at a third rounder. And I always think,

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Speaker 1: wait a minute, if you think he's a bad guy

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Speaker 1: because he got popped and he's not a first rounder anymore.

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Speaker 1: Why is he a fourth rounder? Now, I mean, even

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Speaker 1: he's a bad guy or he's not a bad guy,

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Speaker 1: and you're gonna draft him, You're gonna drop that same

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Speaker 1: bad guy in the fourth round that you wouldn't draft

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Speaker 1: in the first round. Why? Because of value? And that's

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Speaker 1: what you talk about in gambling now. Value, that's what

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Speaker 1: everybody talks about in all sports, about three point firth

456
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Speaker 1: two pointers? Should you know? Seventeen foot first, twenty ft?

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Speaker 1: I mean, everything's uh about value now, it's it's all

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Speaker 1: it's all the matrix. We're all living in the matrix. Well,

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00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:41,239
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, we're all pretty mercenary, right,

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Speaker 1: And that's what sports fandom has become because of moneyball,

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00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:47,040
Speaker 1: because of data, because everyone feels like they can win.

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Speaker 1: Everyone's opportunistic, I promise you right now, the stock market

463
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Speaker 1: is taking and there are many many people who know

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Speaker 1: more about the stock market that I do who are

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Speaker 1: shorting stocks. They're figuring out when the bottom is going

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Speaker 1: to be so they can get it on their opportunity.

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Speaker 1: You and I were sports bettors. I work at a

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Speaker 1: sports betting company. I'm looking to see, all right, how

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Speaker 1: am I going to try to find ways to bet

470
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Speaker 1: march madness, which is terrible. Dude. We all do it.

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Speaker 1: I mean everybody does it. I mean I don't think

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Speaker 1: for a second if somebody like passes away or something

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Speaker 1: project happens, the first thing, like people that bet sports

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Speaker 1: think about her. I wonder how that affects that club.

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Speaker 1: I wonder how that affects that team. I mean it's

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Speaker 1: kind of it's sick to think about it in those terms.

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Speaker 1: But you know, there are people out there that starts, Oh,

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Speaker 1: that that happened to that person, that person's mother passed away.

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Speaker 1: I mean it's just but yeah, they do it the

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Speaker 1: stock market, they do it, gambling, they do it. When

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Speaker 1: I factor that into my handicapping, sometimes I'm not happy

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Speaker 1: with it. I don't go, oh yeah, okay, I found

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Speaker 1: this edge. But sometimes you just do what you gotta

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Speaker 1: do it. Guess you just go. There are people who

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Speaker 1: do this. They look at the stock market to think

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Speaker 1: about this, They look at sports betting and think about

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Speaker 1: the advantage. We are those people. I'm not proud of

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Speaker 1: it either, and not going to celebrate the advantage I

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00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:04,359
Speaker 1: can find, but I'm still going to use the event.

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Speaker 1: I guess that's the perfect way put it doesn't make

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Speaker 1: me feel any better. I'm only going to tell people

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Speaker 1: who really know who I am, and they already think

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Speaker 1: I'm a bad person. So that way, when it's really dark,

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00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:19,840
Speaker 1: I don't have to feel as bad about myself exactly.

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Speaker 1: You can just confirm it. Oh my god, we're terrible people.

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Speaker 1: You think of a dark person, I'll confirm it for you.

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Speaker 1: Check this out. I get an extra point. Half brother

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Speaker 1: passed away last night. There's no way he's gonna be

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Speaker 1: up to play. Oh god, Jesus, you had no idea

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Speaker 1: this is going to turn this direct. Well, listen, I

501
00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:40,600
Speaker 1: always worry about it with you. I know, so I

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Speaker 1: didn't know exactly where, but I worried about something like this.

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00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:46,800
Speaker 1: But it's also just true. Look, it's like it is.

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Speaker 1: It's just that's what I'm thinking about right now. I

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00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:53,480
Speaker 1: am thinking very much. Obviously, first and foremost everybody stay healthy,

506
00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:57,119
Speaker 1: goes without saying. But I'm also thinking, all right, how

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Speaker 1: is this going to impact me? Like I was on

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Speaker 1: the phone an hour ago with a your mine and

509
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Speaker 1: my kids sixteen and as a junior in high school.

510
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Speaker 1: His kid is sixteen as a junior in high school,

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Speaker 1: and we were both talking about like Acosta College, and

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Speaker 1: I said to him, I'm not looking at our five

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Speaker 1: twenty nine for a month. I'm just not gonna think

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Speaker 1: about it. Like the value of that five twenty nine

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00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:18,840
Speaker 1: today is worth a lot less than it was two

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Speaker 1: weeks ago, and I cannot think about like what it

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Speaker 1: is right now and where my kid can go to

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Speaker 1: college or not go to college based on the value

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Speaker 1: of that fund. I'm sorry to say, but I'm looking

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Speaker 1: at this through my particular lens right now. Here's the thing,

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00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:34,679
Speaker 1: and the community college is a is a great option.

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Speaker 1: Don't order about that, assuming the guy can get into

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Speaker 1: college anyways, Here's the thing. You can't do anything about it.

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Speaker 1: This is why you don't feel bad about it, and

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00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:48,720
Speaker 1: so why I don't feel bad about stuff. I mean again,

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Speaker 1: I don't think I don't celebrate it. But what am

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Speaker 1: I to do. I can't do anything. I can't go

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Speaker 1: out there. And somebody's not saying, hey, Tom, I'll give

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Speaker 1: you an option. You can take away the coronavirus, or

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Speaker 1: you can get two points edge in ten different incitably

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Speaker 1: tournament games. No one's giving me that option. If they did,

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Speaker 1: then I would clearly well, I'd go with I look,

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Speaker 1: I'd go at the coronavirus and I'd wave the one.

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Speaker 1: Your answer would be, can I get the points and

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00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:18,720
Speaker 1: then immediately get rid of the coronavirus? Oh? Yeah, then

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00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:20,440
Speaker 1: I would definitely do that way. And now, of course,

537
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:22,360
Speaker 1: of course you would say, you know what, boom, we're done,

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00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:25,919
Speaker 1: We're done. You know what, where about my gambling habits

539
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:29,040
Speaker 1: and my value later? But I don't you don't get it.

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00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:31,400
Speaker 1: I don't get it if you look at it. Here's

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00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:34,840
Speaker 1: what it is. You look at the facts. And that's

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Speaker 1: what you try to do when you're when you're handicapping

543
00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:39,040
Speaker 1: a game. Let me look at all the facts. I

544
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:40,800
Speaker 1: feel like looking at it. And this is one of

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00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:42,520
Speaker 1: the facts you have to look at. And if you

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00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:45,120
Speaker 1: don't look at it, you're just being You're just being negligent.

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Speaker 1: It's not like you're rooting for It's not like you've

548
00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:50,200
Speaker 1: got you know, corona pom poms on and you're rooting

549
00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:52,760
Speaker 1: for the go virus. I mean, you're not doing that.

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00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:54,880
Speaker 1: I don't have a choice. You don't have a choice.

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00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:56,959
Speaker 1: So those that's what's in front of us, Those are

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00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:59,080
Speaker 1: the facts. Try to come up with the best decision

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00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:02,120
Speaker 1: you can, period you're not going to celebrate anything. You

554
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:04,120
Speaker 1: just deal with what you have to do with, play

555
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:07,160
Speaker 1: the hand you're dealt. That's exactly Kenny Rodgers. That's what

556
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:09,040
Speaker 1: I'm talking about. You know. Back when I was in

557
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:12,080
Speaker 1: fifth grade, I went to overnight camp and they had

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Speaker 1: these talent shows. First four weeks and second four weeks,

559
00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:18,760
Speaker 1: and the second four weeks I was asked to sing

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00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:23,880
Speaker 1: the song the Gambler by Kenny Rodgers, how you do

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00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:26,680
Speaker 1: Not good? Not good at all. But I thought I

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00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:29,120
Speaker 1: was amazing. But it's really I was like, you know,

563
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:31,800
Speaker 1: a very small fifth grader with a high voice, and

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00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:34,520
Speaker 1: that's why I think I was taking advantage of Honestly,

565
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:36,400
Speaker 1: they put me out there as a prop. Oh. I

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00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:39,000
Speaker 1: thought you're gonna say you're taking advantage by the councils.

567
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:43,160
Speaker 1: I was like, well, that's a different podcast. I feel

568
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:47,360
Speaker 1: like we've we've delved into deep enough secrets for the day,

569
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:52,920
Speaker 1: Like we've already revealed too much, way too much. Did

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00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:55,440
Speaker 1: this have to air? No? Probably not, we should. Probably

571
00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:59,560
Speaker 1: they should probably a better idea of this never season

572
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:01,600
Speaker 1: later day. In fact, I think we should end it.

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00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:07,600
Speaker 1: I think we should end it right now. Goodness, gracious, Alright, Tom, listen,

574
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Speaker 1: I feel like this was This was a little bit

575
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:10,840
Speaker 1: like the radio. You know, you and I will do

576
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:13,880
Speaker 1: a radio segment every week on candy Are. This past week,

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Speaker 1: I don't even think we ever got to a gambling question.

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00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:18,560
Speaker 1: I think we talked about the most random stuff for

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Speaker 1: thirty five minutes. That's what we do. This time, we

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Speaker 1: just revealed the kind of people we did only it's

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Speaker 1: really pretty. But now you're gonna do Alright, Tom Tilbert,

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Speaker 1: I agree, And by the way, I probably not the

583
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Speaker 1: only person thinking like this. You're not the only person. No, no,

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00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:40,720
Speaker 1: we're not. Definitely, definitely we're not that. I do know

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Speaker 1: you're kidding me. And help people that sell their mother

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Speaker 1: for half a point. Alright, Tom Tilbert, thanks for coming

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Speaker 1: on the Favorites podcast. I'll talk to you later. You'll

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Speaker 1: never have me on again, but thanks Dad. A pretty

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00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:55,760
Speaker 1: just vaulted to number one guest. Dad. Thank you to

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Speaker 1: Dari Revel for coming on. Thank you to Tom Tilber

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Speaker 1: for coming on, and for to me to reveal my deepest,

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00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:06,000
Speaker 1: darkest secrets before we go. As always, our fearless leader,

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00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:08,640
Speaker 1: our CEO of Patrick Keane, He's going to take us

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Speaker 1: out with some brilliant words of inspiration. Why are you

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00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:15,600
Speaker 1: interrupting me? You do not interrupt bait. Do you understand

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