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<v Speaker 1>Ted Cruz for now until the Disinformation Governance Board gets

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<v Speaker 1>Google Play, YouTube, wherever you get your podcast. For now, Senator,

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<v Speaker 1>how much time do we have left? Well, I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>but I just got an order from Big Cis that

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<v Speaker 1>from now on, this podcast must be done entirely by

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<v Speaker 1>singing Broadway show tunes. Oh is that is a fate

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<v Speaker 1>worse than cancelation, Big Cis, I suspect you're referring to

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<v Speaker 1>is Nina Jankowitz, the Biden pick to lead the Disinformation

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<v Speaker 1>Governance Board, about whom I know only two things. One

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<v Speaker 1>she spread misinformation about the Hunter Biden laptop, and two

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<v Speaker 1>she loves singing show tunes on camera. And to a credit,

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<v Speaker 1>she's actually a pretty good singer. It's a little bizarre

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<v Speaker 1>and creepy what she sings, but she I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>as a professional or semi professional singer. But she's this

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<v Speaker 1>hard knee jerk leftist. And you know watching number one

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<v Speaker 1>Secretary may orchis who has presided over the most lawless

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<v Speaker 1>cabinet agency in the history of our country, which the

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<v Speaker 1>Department of Homeland Security has decided we don't enforce the border.

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<v Speaker 1>We let two million illegal aliens come in. The law

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<v Speaker 1>means nothing to US. So now he's created this misinformation

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<v Speaker 1>board in charge of fighting misinformation, and you know you

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<v Speaker 1>pointed out he did it literally within hours of Elon

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<v Speaker 1>Musk's buying Twitter. It is stunning. Listen, the left ideas

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<v Speaker 1>are crap. They cannot defend them. They don't want to

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<v Speaker 1>defend them. They want to silence everyone who disagrees. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>let's show you something amazing about Elon buying Twitter, which

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<v Speaker 1>is Twitter accepted Elon Musk's offer to buy Twitter on

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<v Speaker 1>April twenty fifth. The very next day, literally the next day,

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<v Speaker 1>April twenty sixth, my new Twitter followers skyrocket. So I'm

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<v Speaker 1>just gonna read you the daily count of it, because

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<v Speaker 1>it's stunning. So on April nineteenth, I gained one seventeen

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<v Speaker 1>hundred and thirteen followers. April twenty fourth, one four hundred

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<v Speaker 1>and eighty six. April twenty fifth, the day Twitter says

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<v Speaker 1>yes to Elon Musk one thousand, two hundred and fourteen.

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<v Speaker 1>So consistently, day after day, I'm between a thousand and

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand new followers the next day. What's your guest

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<v Speaker 1>is to how many new followers I got the next day,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna say it doubled at least on April twenty

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<v Speaker 1>twenty sixth fifty one thousand, four hundred and five, April

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<v Speaker 1>twenty seventh, sixty one thousand, two hundred and fifty one,

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<v Speaker 1>on April twenty eighth, seventy thousand, five hundred and eighty four.

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<v Speaker 1>The level of shadow banning, it's as if And by

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<v Speaker 1>the way, this is true for conservatives across the board

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<v Speaker 1>that they're seeing their numbers. Mine literally went from one

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<v Speaker 1>to two thousand a day to fifty sixty seventy thousand.

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<v Speaker 1>I've gone from four point eight million followers to five

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<v Speaker 1>point one million followers in a week, and all it

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<v Speaker 1>took was Elon buying it. This is the same thing

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<v Speaker 1>has happened with me. I am not a United States senator,

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<v Speaker 1>I have not run for president. I am but a

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<v Speaker 1>humble podcaster. I've gained at least one hundred thousand followers

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<v Speaker 1>in the what is a week since Elon took over,

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<v Speaker 1>It's been something like a clip of twenty thousand per day.

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<v Speaker 1>So either that means that they've unleashed the bots, which

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think it is, by the way, because my

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<v Speaker 1>engagement on Twitter is up. I'm seeing new people new

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<v Speaker 1>blue checkmark people who are ostensibly verified human beings. It

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<v Speaker 1>seems as though because don't forget, this deal hasn't even

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<v Speaker 1>gone through yet, so it's just the threat that Elan

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<v Speaker 1>is going to buy it. It seems as though this

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<v Speaker 1>has lifted a major shadow banning of conservatives. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's like they're sitting there running the shredders, going oh crap,

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<v Speaker 1>they're going to find out all the stuff we've done

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<v Speaker 1>shred at all, turned the algorithm off, and then within

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<v Speaker 1>hours the Biden administration announces we have a new board

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<v Speaker 1>to fight misinformation. I gotta tell you I had so

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<v Speaker 1>this week. I've had two hearings where I've asked Biden

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<v Speaker 1>officials about this. First of all, I had a Foreign

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<v Speaker 1>Relations Committee hearing with the Deputy Secretary of State. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so ma Orchus got popped on Sunday about this, and

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<v Speaker 1>he says, no, no no, no, this is not to go

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<v Speaker 1>after American speech. This is all about foreign speech. This

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<v Speaker 1>is foreign disinformation only. Now, mind you, this office is

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<v Speaker 1>not at the US Department of State, It's at the

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<v Speaker 1>Department of Homeland Security. It's directed at Americans in the homeland.

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<v Speaker 1>But their talking point is no no, no, this is

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<v Speaker 1>only foreign disinformation. So I asked the Department of State today,

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<v Speaker 1>the Deputy Secretary of State, I said, it so happens.

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<v Speaker 1>There actually is a long standing office at the State

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<v Speaker 1>Department whose statutory mission is to fight disinformation abroad from

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<v Speaker 1>foreign governments, and it's funded. Congress just funded them one

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<v Speaker 1>hundred and fifty million dollars. It's statutory mission is exactly

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<v Speaker 1>what these clowns are claiming the new office is going

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<v Speaker 1>to do. So I asked the State Department, gush, did

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<v Speaker 1>anybody talk to you about this? No? Do you know

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<v Speaker 1>anything about it? No? I have no idea. Is it

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<v Speaker 1>concerning to you that they've announced a new office that

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<v Speaker 1>they're claiming is doing the same thing your existing office

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<v Speaker 1>is doing. I have no idea. Nobody consulted us. We

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<v Speaker 1>know nothing. So that was lie number one. Number two.

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<v Speaker 1>We also had Pete boodhag Edge, the Secretary of Transportation,

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<v Speaker 1>testifying before the Senate today, and I asked him about this,

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<v Speaker 1>and I said, look, I read a quote from the

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<v Speaker 1>presidential campaign where he gave he waxed poetically about free

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<v Speaker 1>speech is wonderful, it's incredible, It's what makes America America.

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<v Speaker 1>I value free speech. When I was a soldier fighting

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<v Speaker 1>for America, the flag on my shoulder, it represented free speech.

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<v Speaker 1>It was you know, he's a pretty eloquent guy. And

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<v Speaker 1>I read the whole quote. I said, you know, gosh,

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<v Speaker 1>I agree with every word of that. That's beautifully stated.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you still agree with that? Do you still agree

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<v Speaker 1>with free speech? Yes? Well, then why did the Biden

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<v Speaker 1>administration announce an office, the Ministry of Truth to silence

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<v Speaker 1>people who disagree with you? And he immediately backtracks. He's like, well, well, well,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I don't know. Like, well, come on,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, you're you're aware of this, right, And he's like, well, well, well,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. But it's to stop disinformation, to stop

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<v Speaker 1>Russian disinformation. I said, really, like Hunter Biden's laptop. Is

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<v Speaker 1>that what you mean by disinformation? He's like, well, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know anything about Hunter Biden's laptop. It's like, oh, really,

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<v Speaker 1>nobody seems to know anything about Hunter Biden's laptop, do they. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>and in this case, the woman who's going to be

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<v Speaker 1>running the Ministry of truthier for Biden, used that specific example,

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<v Speaker 1>so this is not just a hypothetical. She said, the

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<v Speaker 1>Hunter Biden laptop was a case of Russian disinformation, and

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<v Speaker 1>so presumably this board would have completely wiped away that

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<v Speaker 1>news story, had Big Tech and the the establishment media

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<v Speaker 1>not already done that for them two years ago. Now

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<v Speaker 1>that's exactly right. And as you know, the talking point,

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<v Speaker 1>there were fifty former leaders from the intelligence community community

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<v Speaker 1>that put out a letter when Hunter Biden's laptop broke

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<v Speaker 1>that said, this has all the classic signs of Russian disinformation,

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<v Speaker 1>which we've learned now is code for this is really

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<v Speaker 1>bad for the Democratic presidential nominee. But we now know

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<v Speaker 1>that letter was an outright blatant lie. We know the

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<v Speaker 1>talking point that that that I don't know whether we

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<v Speaker 1>should call Nina the Minister of Truth or the commissary.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm kind of on the fence as to what her

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<v Speaker 1>tatalitarian titles should be. But she was out there pushing

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<v Speaker 1>this is Russian disinformation, and that's an uttered lie. And

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<v Speaker 1>leftists define as disinformation anything that is inconvenient for them,

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<v Speaker 1>anything they disagree with, and especially anything that is politically

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<v Speaker 1>damaging they call disinformation. And this is the Biden administration

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<v Speaker 1>nakedly getting getting caught with their hand in the cookie

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<v Speaker 1>jar to mix my metaphors pretty badly. I'm going to

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<v Speaker 1>upset my Yale colleague here with with that rather mangled illusion.

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<v Speaker 1>That is exactly the kind of thing that the new

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<v Speaker 1>censorship board is going to censor, the mixing of metaphors.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's that's a wonderful thing. There's a little silver

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<v Speaker 1>lining in that storm cloud, Senator. The White House has

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<v Speaker 1>given two examples of the kind of thing that the

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<v Speaker 1>board is going to shut down. That is calls to

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<v Speaker 1>violent extremism and as you say, foreign disinformation, specifically Russian disinformation.

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<v Speaker 1>And the problem it would seem to me is that

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<v Speaker 1>the White House accuses everything that Republicans say of being

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<v Speaker 1>a called to violent extremism or Russian disinformation. So we're

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<v Speaker 1>joking about it. It's absurd, and it's funny to make

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<v Speaker 1>fun of this, this power hungry lady and the whole

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<v Speaker 1>bind administration. But what are they going to do? And

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<v Speaker 1>what are we going to do about it? Look, it

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<v Speaker 1>is so bad that this week Jake Tapper from CNN

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<v Speaker 1>was forced to go on TV and acknowledge, Yeah, she

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<v Speaker 1>does really seem to be a partisan where she echoes

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<v Speaker 1>the Democratic talking points and she's skeptical of everything Republicans say,

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<v Speaker 1>and there's a clear political bias in her take on things.

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<v Speaker 1>Now when Jake Tapper, who has become a mouthpiece for

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<v Speaker 1>the hard left, he didn't used to be, but he's

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<v Speaker 1>become that. When even he says that, like, holy cow,

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<v Speaker 1>So what are we going to do about it? Listen?

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<v Speaker 1>I think one thing we're doing about it, we're doing

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<v Speaker 1>right now, which is just shining enough of a light

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<v Speaker 1>on it that it prevents them from going forward. I

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<v Speaker 1>do think you're seeing the Biden administration backpedaling. There's been

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<v Speaker 1>enough of a blowpack. I actually think labeling it the

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<v Speaker 1>Ministry of Truth is really powerful, because look, obviously there

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<v Speaker 1>are communist regimes that have ministries of truth and and

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<v Speaker 1>that throw you in the gulag for daring to speak

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<v Speaker 1>other than than the government line and calling this out

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<v Speaker 1>for what it is. My hope is that that that we,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, cut it off right at the beginning. If not,

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<v Speaker 1>then there's a reason why I asked about it twice

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<v Speaker 1>this week to two different Biden officials, because I want

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<v Speaker 1>to keep the pressure on. I want to keep the

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<v Speaker 1>light on. I want to force them to defend this,

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<v Speaker 1>this ridiculous abuse of power. And if they continue to

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<v Speaker 1>try to go forward with it next year, I believe

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to have majorities in both the House and

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<v Speaker 1>send it. We had to use the majorities in the

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<v Speaker 1>House and send it to cut off the funding and

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<v Speaker 1>to shut it down because the government has no business

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<v Speaker 1>silencing what the American people say. I don't think the

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<v Speaker 1>timing is coincidental. It's just too perfect, right after we've

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<v Speaker 1>been joking about it. But I think I think it's legit.

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<v Speaker 1>Right after Elon Musk announces this, you get the announcement

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<v Speaker 1>from the White House. So then turning to Musk, do

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<v Speaker 1>you think this deal is going to go through? One?

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<v Speaker 1>And two? What does that mean for conservatives on social media?

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<v Speaker 1>Whether we're talking about how the other big tech platforms

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<v Speaker 1>are going to react, or whether we're talking about how

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<v Speaker 1>the government is going to react. Joe Biden is already

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<v Speaker 1>talking about clamping down on Twitter the minute they free

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<v Speaker 1>up speech for conservatives. Yeah. And by the way, the

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<v Speaker 1>European Union is rattling its swords and reminding Twitter we

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<v Speaker 1>have rules to follow. Look, I think the deal is

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<v Speaker 1>going to go through. I don't know for sure. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know the inside details of the deal. But Elon

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<v Speaker 1>seems very committed and certainly vocally committed. The board has

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<v Speaker 1>accepted it. According to the public reporting, he had financing lockdown.

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<v Speaker 1>The financing may change in terms of the mix of

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<v Speaker 1>debt and equity. That wouldn't surprise me. But it certainly

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<v Speaker 1>seems like it's going forward. You know, I will say

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<v Speaker 1>there is an irony that Elon Mosque has suddenly become

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<v Speaker 1>the champion and the defender of conservatives. Elon vocally supported

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<v Speaker 1>and voted for Barack Obama not once, but twice. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>Joe Rogan the other person who has become that They

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<v Speaker 1>may be the two most important people concerning free speech

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<v Speaker 1>in the entire country, Joe Rogan and Dorris Bernie Sanders.

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<v Speaker 1>So neither one of them meets the standard definition of

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<v Speaker 1>a conservative, but they both appreciate liberty. They both value

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<v Speaker 1>free speech. You know, it's spoke volumes. I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>if you saw last week a journalist at Time magazine

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<v Speaker 1>and I put journalists in scare quotes, said that free

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<v Speaker 1>speech is an obsession of rich white guys like the

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<v Speaker 1>today's corporate media wants to silence everybody except themselves. They

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<v Speaker 1>want to have a monopoly on speech, only the corporate

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<v Speaker 1>media and only big tech. And I know you've seen

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<v Speaker 1>the meme that that Elon tweeted out, which I think

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<v Speaker 1>is incredibly accurate, that it showed him previously where you

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<v Speaker 1>had the right, the left, the center, and it had

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<v Speaker 1>him left of center, and then what it showed was

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<v Speaker 1>the left running full speed to the left, and suddenly

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<v Speaker 1>the center moved, so he was right of center. But

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<v Speaker 1>in the meme he hadn't moved an end. Shit's just

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<v Speaker 1>the crazies had taken over the Democratic Party. By the way,

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<v Speaker 1>Bill Maher's in the same boat, where these are old

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<v Speaker 1>school liberals that just happened to believe in actual liberty,

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<v Speaker 1>and that in today's Democratic Party that is not only

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<v Speaker 1>not the mainstream anymore, that is a heretical view that

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<v Speaker 1>must be demonized and quashed. What do you think the

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<v Speaker 1>electoral politics of this look like. Do you think that

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<v Speaker 1>this plays for Democrats? Do you think this ministry of

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<v Speaker 1>truth is going to help them in the mid terms,

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<v Speaker 1>whether through the operation of the agency or just through

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<v Speaker 1>the public perception of it. Or are they stepping on

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<v Speaker 1>a rake here? I think they're stepping on a rake.

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<v Speaker 1>But a word you use there that is important and

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<v Speaker 1>that we don't know yet is operation like whether this

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<v Speaker 1>board will actually have any legal power or authority if

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<v Speaker 1>they engage how they intend to engage, if it's just

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<v Speaker 1>a look an example, an example we've talked about early

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<v Speaker 1>on when it happened on this podcast was doctor Fauci

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<v Speaker 1>in emails asking Mark Zuckerberg to silence and censor any

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<v Speaker 1>discussions of the origins of COVID nineteen, and in particular

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<v Speaker 1>discussions that it had escaped from a Chinese government lab

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<v Speaker 1>in Wohan. And we talked about two years ago. This

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<v Speaker 1>podcast walked through exhaustively the evidence that suggests and suggest

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<v Speaker 1>overwhelmingly that COVID nineteen escape from a Chinese government lab

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<v Speaker 1>in Wuhan. Zuckerberg was more than happy to comply. He said, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>we will censor it, we will keep it silent. I

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<v Speaker 1>could see this board playing a similar role and for example,

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<v Speaker 1>emailing Zuckerberg and and Facebook going along. I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>whether there are media outlets that will go along. I

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<v Speaker 1>feel confident Elon Musk won't go along. And it's why

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<v Speaker 1>his buying Twitter is so important, because it creates a

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<v Speaker 1>significant avenue by the way, one thing people may not

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<v Speaker 1>realize as to why Twitter matters so much. So so

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<v Speaker 1>a tiny percentage of Americans actually listen follow Twitter, and

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<v Speaker 1>those that do skew pretty heavily left. If the world

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<v Speaker 1>were the Twitter sphere, we'd all be screwed. It would

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<v Speaker 1>be sunk. Yeah, you know, AOC would be president. So

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<v Speaker 1>I'm glad that the world is not the Twitter sphere. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>some of that is is amplified by the shadow banning

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<v Speaker 1>and practices, so we may find out that the Twitter

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<v Speaker 1>sphere is not as left as it appears. But most

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<v Speaker 1>normal Americans are not on Twitter. The reason it matters,

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<v Speaker 1>One of the reasons it matters so much is every

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<v Speaker 1>reporter in the universe is on Twitter. And so I

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<v Speaker 1>could tell you in politics, frankly, the way you get

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<v Speaker 1>out a statement and get it out quickly as you

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<v Speaker 1>go to Twitter and you put it out, and it's

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<v Speaker 1>an amazing thing. Look, Donald Trump pioneered this in twenty sixteen,

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<v Speaker 1>and I was on the opposing side, and he captured

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<v Speaker 1>how to use Twitter and just dominate the news within instances.

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<v Speaker 1>And it is a wild thing that I will pull

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<v Speaker 1>out my phone and I'll send a tweet and within

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<v Speaker 1>minutes I can turn on the TV and see my

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<v Speaker 1>tweet on the news, driving the news and driving messaging.

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<v Speaker 1>That's part of why free speech on Twitter matters, because

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<v Speaker 1>it influences everyone that has outlets of communication that is

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<v Speaker 1>potent for the overall public discourse. Right. I agree, it

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<v Speaker 1>does set the news in a way that Facebook and

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<v Speaker 1>YouTube and Google don't. I think that's why they are

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<v Speaker 1>absolutely losing it that Elon is promising conservatives a little

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<v Speaker 1>more freedom on this question of political speech. I am

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<v Speaker 1>ashamed to say that I have neglected our Verdict listeners,

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<v Speaker 1>but I will do that no more. There's a question

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<v Speaker 1>I really want to get to here in the mail bag.

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<v Speaker 1>wherever you get your podcasts. This question comes to us

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<v Speaker 1>from Al who says, Senator Cruz, how do you think

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<v Speaker 1>the court will rule on Ted Cruz versus fec A

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<v Speaker 1>question not only about political speech, but about a case

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<v Speaker 1>that you are heavily involved in. Yeah. No, it's a

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<v Speaker 1>case I care a great deal about. It is a

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<v Speaker 1>case challenging, and I'm the name plainiff. I brought the lawsuit.

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<v Speaker 1>It is challenging an element of McCain finegold, which is

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<v Speaker 1>the big campaign finance law. It's a terrible law. One

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<v Speaker 1>element of the law limits the ability of a political

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<v Speaker 1>candidate to pay themselves back for loans they make to

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<v Speaker 1>their campaign. And so it caps it at paying yourself

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<v Speaker 1>back at two hundred and fifty thousand dollars is the

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<v Speaker 1>most you can pay yourself back from funds received after

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<v Speaker 1>the campaign. And so you know, you have lots of

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<v Speaker 1>candidates who put their life savings into into a campaign,

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<v Speaker 1>and they may put five hundred thousand or more into

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<v Speaker 1>a campaign, and McCain finegold says, well, tough, you're not

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<v Speaker 1>allowed to pay yourself back. You've just basically given a

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<v Speaker 1>gift to democracy. And doesn't it suck to be you?

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<v Speaker 1>And by the way, the reason that Congress passed it,

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<v Speaker 1>if you go look at the debates, it's an incumbent

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<v Speaker 1>protection plan because one of the ways incumbents avoid being

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<v Speaker 1>beat is their challengers raise any money and they don't

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<v Speaker 1>have the name idea to raise money. And so what

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<v Speaker 1>happens often as someone will invest their own money into

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<v Speaker 1>the race, and it is how challengers get the initial

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<v Speaker 1>oxygen to get their message out, well, if you make

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<v Speaker 1>it that. You know, Michael, you put your money into

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<v Speaker 1>the race, and even if you win, you can't get

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<v Speaker 1>it back, and it's going to cost you. You might

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<v Speaker 1>be willing to do it, but a lot of people

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<v Speaker 1>are not. And so it's designed to protect incumbents from

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<v Speaker 1>challengers taking them on. So I brought a constitutional challenge

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<v Speaker 1>to this provision. I want a unanimous decision in the

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<v Speaker 1>lower courts. So a three judge district courts struck down

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<v Speaker 1>this provision of McCain fine Gold. The appeal is pending

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<v Speaker 1>at the Supreme Court. It's been briefed, it's been argued.

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<v Speaker 1>We're waiting on the decision. I think the decision will

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<v Speaker 1>be very soon. It could literally be any day now.

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<v Speaker 1>I think we're in the sweet spot of when the

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<v Speaker 1>decision is going to come down. I am cautiously optimistic.

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<v Speaker 1>I think the chances are good that we prevail if

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<v Speaker 1>the court addresses the merits. In other words, if the

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<v Speaker 1>court answers the question is this provision of law unconstitutional?

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<v Speaker 1>I think the odds are extremely high we win. I

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<v Speaker 1>think it is on the merits we are very very

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<v Speaker 1>likely to win. There is some chance that we lose

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<v Speaker 1>on a procedural ground. That Biden Justice Department had a

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<v Speaker 1>procedural ground that was a technicality that was based on

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<v Speaker 1>a factual mistake. But I will say it the oral argument,

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<v Speaker 1>it sure seemed like John Roberts was fishing around trying

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<v Speaker 1>to get some justices to basically throw the lawsuit out

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<v Speaker 1>on the procedural ground. I don't know if he will

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<v Speaker 1>succeed with that or not, but that's how the argument

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<v Speaker 1>came across. So if they get to the merits, we

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<v Speaker 1>are very very likely to win, but there's some chance

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<v Speaker 1>they punted and avoid the merits altogether. Perhaps I will

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<v Speaker 1>be nicer to Chief Justice Roberts on this show for

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<v Speaker 1>just the next couple of weeks to make sure this

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<v Speaker 1>thing doesn't get thrown out on dural grounds, because that

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<v Speaker 1>would be an interesting free speech case and we'll look

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<v Speaker 1>forward to seeing it. Last question also has to do

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<v Speaker 1>with the court. This is from Michael, who says, how

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<v Speaker 1>do you believe the leak of the Alito opinion in

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<v Speaker 1>the Dobbs case? How do you believe the Supreme Court

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<v Speaker 1>leak will affect the midterm elections? And he has two hashtags.

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<v Speaker 1>He says, hashtag verdict hashtag cruise twenty twenty four, just

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<v Speaker 1>reading the whole message. So I don't know that the

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<v Speaker 1>league itself has a significant impact on the midterms. I

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<v Speaker 1>do think the League is a manifestation of how the

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<v Speaker 1>Democrats are destroying our institutions, trying to burn them down,

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<v Speaker 1>and in particular the degree to which the leftists are

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<v Speaker 1>cheering it on and literally saying burn it down. I

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<v Speaker 1>think that is beneficial for the midterms, and in terms

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<v Speaker 1>of people realizing the radicals really are in charge of

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<v Speaker 1>this party. It's it's not unlike the Antifa riots ins

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<v Speaker 1>of just showing that these guys are extreme and crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>In terms of the underlying decision, I think what is

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<v Speaker 1>likely to be more consequential in the midterm is the

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<v Speaker 1>decision itself and if the majority opinion continues to be

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<v Speaker 1>the majority opinion, and if the outcome is that the

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<v Speaker 1>Court does strike down roversus Wade. I can tell you

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<v Speaker 1>Democrats in Washington are holding onto that as their Hail

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<v Speaker 1>Mary chance to save the midterms. They believe that people

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<v Speaker 1>will be horrified and that'll help them win. And I

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<v Speaker 1>gotta tell you more than a few Republican senators are nervous.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the case. There are several of us who are

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<v Speaker 1>conservatives who've been trying to make the case to the

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<v Speaker 1>nervous nellies in our conference It'll be okay, this is

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<v Speaker 1>going to be fine. And I actually think it probably

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<v Speaker 1>will not have much of an effect on the midterms,

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<v Speaker 1>and to the extent it has an effect, it will

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<v Speaker 1>be a positive effect. Here's why I think it will

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<v Speaker 1>have less of an effect than the democratic strategist think

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<v Speaker 1>because the people who are most dismayed about that are

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<v Speaker 1>hard leftists that are clustered in bright blue states like

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<v Speaker 1>New York California. Nothing's going to change in those states,

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<v Speaker 1>at least for the immediate term. California is going to

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<v Speaker 1>continue to allow unlimited abortion on demand. ROVERSUS weight is

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<v Speaker 1>if it's struck down, California ain't changing their laws until

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<v Speaker 1>we get new elected officials in California. And so I

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<v Speaker 1>think the kind of angry leftists, many of whom are

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<v Speaker 1>pretty ignorant and don't even know what overturning Row means.

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<v Speaker 1>I think a month afterwards, are going to be surprised. Wait,

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<v Speaker 1>nothing about my life changed in other parts of the

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<v Speaker 1>country that are not bright blue and redder states, In

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<v Speaker 1>states like Tennessee states like Texas, you're going to see

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<v Speaker 1>some meaningful restrictions on abortion, and it's going to vary

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<v Speaker 1>state by state how extensive those restrictions are. That is

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<v Speaker 1>the Framer's view in the Constitution is to let the

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<v Speaker 1>rules in each state reflect the values of the citizens

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<v Speaker 1>of those states. But in the redder states, there are

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<v Speaker 1>fewer people that are going to be horrified by that.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think you're going to have a positive effect

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<v Speaker 1>of people in the pro life community who have been

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<v Speaker 1>fighting for this for fifty years being energized. And I

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<v Speaker 1>am hopeful that that being energized is going to cause

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<v Speaker 1>them to turn out and vote at the polls, and

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<v Speaker 1>I think that could lead to an even bigger majority

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<v Speaker 1>in the House and the Senate next year. Right. That's

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<v Speaker 1>a great point because not only is nothing going to

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<v Speaker 1>change in terms of abortion law in the most pro

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<v Speaker 1>abortion places, but even if something did change and the

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<v Speaker 1>Democrats were irate and steamwork coming out of their ears,

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<v Speaker 1>nothing's going to change about whom they're electing, and nothing's

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<v Speaker 1>going to change about the members of Congress or the

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<v Speaker 1>Senators or anything else. That is a hopeful note to

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<v Speaker 1>end on Senator that this case might not only come

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<v Speaker 1>out with a good end for the pro life movement,

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<v Speaker 1>but also might not hurt us at the pulse. Frankly,

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<v Speaker 1>it might even might even help us. Before we go,

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<v Speaker 1>we've got to bring on our friend Liz Wheeler, because

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<v Speaker 1>you're not done yet, sir. We've finished our episode, but

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<v Speaker 1>you've got an episode of cloak Room coming up. Liz,

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<v Speaker 1>what are you going to talk about? Hi, Michael High,

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<v Speaker 1>Senator Cruz, I know that we've been talking about this

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<v Speaker 1>leaked draft majority opinion from the Supreme Court overturning Rovwade,

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<v Speaker 1>or at leasted it does in this draft opinion. You

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<v Speaker 1>guys have talked about it a lot, We've heard about

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<v Speaker 1>it a lot, but there are more details that need

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<v Speaker 1>to be discussed. So we are going to do a

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<v Speaker 1>little investigative dive into who exactly might have leaked this opinion,

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<v Speaker 1>how this might have happened, and whether the Supreme Court

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<v Speaker 1>actually will overturn Roe v. Wade. So join us on

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<v Speaker 1>to be quite the discussion. I hope you'll join us, So, Michael, yes, Senator,

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<v Speaker 1>in honor of Big Ciss, will you close us on

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