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Speaker 2: What's up, guys, Welcome to the first episode of The

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Speaker 2: Daniel Cormier Show, brought to you by Total Wireless, the

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Speaker 2: Today I am joined by one of my favorite guys

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Speaker 2: in all the MMA, one of the best fighters to

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Speaker 2: ever compete in the bandamweight division, who is now still

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Speaker 2: one of the most important guys now fighting in the

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Speaker 2: featherweight division, as al Jamaine Sterling is ranked number five

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Speaker 2: in the world. This guy defended that championship against some

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Speaker 2: of the most dangerous guys in the entire UFC time

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Speaker 2: and time again. He went out there, he thought he won.

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Speaker 2: He's been misunderstood. He's had some ups, he's had some downs.

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Speaker 2: I want to allow you guys to get to know

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Speaker 2: Al Jermaine more than just what's on the surface. So

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Speaker 2: I want you guys to help me as I will

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Speaker 2: come in one of the greatest band of weeks, one

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Speaker 2: of the best fighters in the world, Al jam is earlier.

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Speaker 2: Aljael's up, brother, How you doing man?

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Speaker 3: How you've been good? Man? Good? You're the man you

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Speaker 3: deserve flowers.

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Speaker 1: Thank you. I appreciate that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so Algam thirty six years old now truly, how

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Speaker 2: how what does your day look like today opposed to

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Speaker 2: what it looked like ten years ago, because the goals

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Speaker 2: are the same, become the world champion, But at thirty

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Speaker 2: six you got to kind of approach it a little differently.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like it's still relatively the same, same

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Speaker 1: type of hustle, same type of mentality. Yeah, I'm a

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Speaker 1: lot older now. I've accomplished all the things that I've

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Speaker 1: wanted to accomplish. But then as you get older, you

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Speaker 1: check things off the box. You want to create new goals, right,

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Speaker 1: So that's pretty much the phase that I'm in in

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Speaker 1: my career, in my life right now.

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Speaker 2: But it's also fighting and business, right You're you're venturing

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Speaker 2: into business, becoming a businessman, Like that is a whole

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Speaker 2: new element as you age, right, because you got to

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Speaker 2: start looking to what's next? How does that change the day?

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Speaker 1: It's just busy man, Like. I have friends that tell

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Speaker 1: do realist because there's just so much like how do

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Speaker 1: you have like extra hours? In a day or something

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Speaker 1: that we don't know about, because podcasting, working on my

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Speaker 1: brand phone, Carver Rum, which I founded, obviously, training for

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Speaker 1: it's a lot to juggle in. I've actually done some movies,

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Speaker 1: you know, so we actually hopefully have one that I'm

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Speaker 1: supposed to be in, like a boxing film. Hopefully that

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Speaker 1: all goes well. Yeah, So just busy man. I just

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Speaker 1: try to balance it as best as I can. Earlier mornings,

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Speaker 1: earlier mornings, I would say it's it's a little different

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Speaker 1: late in order to get these conversations going. Like tomorrow,

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Speaker 1: I have to stay up until about twelve, which I'm

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you're not playing video games.

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Speaker 1: It's very very different doty video games. I have time

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Speaker 3: That's not a fun game.

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Speaker 1: It's a very intuitive game, am I. Yeah, And I

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Speaker 1: COVID after watching Queen's Gambit, I just got hooked. I

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Speaker 2: That was one thing about you that I had no idea,

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Speaker 2: But like, what else could you tell fans and people that,

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Speaker 2: Like what's something about al Jamay and Sterling that people

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Speaker 3: Doing in your in your free time.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I watch a lot of TV shows when

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Speaker 1: As soon as I get home, I have my post

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Speaker 1: So the next easiest thing that we could do is

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Speaker 1: just find movies, find TV show series to watch. Right now,

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Speaker 1: The Last Kingdom, Seven Kings Must Die. I love the

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Speaker 1: Viking story. It's just kind of crazy how that whole

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Speaker 2: Al Joe, I gotta ask you a question that Floyd

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Speaker 2: Mayweather story Is that real with your fiance?

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Speaker 3: Was that a real thing?

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Speaker 2: Because I even said that to my producer Luis, and

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Speaker 3: Or has this story just taken on legs. That isn't true.

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Speaker 1: It's a real situation that happened. It's just funny because

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Speaker 1: it's so long ago. I think it was, like it

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Speaker 3: You were just starting.

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Speaker 1: I was just starting. I was undefeated on my second

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Speaker 1: and zero. He sends it over. He's like pointing to

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Speaker 1: I should say, they come over. He send somebody up.

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Speaker 1: She comes. She told me, just like Mayweather just pointing

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Speaker 1: Like so, what does that mean, like.

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Speaker 3: To kick his ass?

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Speaker 2: No, But then because you can't, Like that's the thing, right,

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Speaker 2: like you can beat Floyd Mayweather, even at.

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Speaker 3: The time when you were a young fighter, because you

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Speaker 2: Throw him to the ground in an actual fight. Yes, yes,

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Speaker 2: but that's what happens out, but no, you can't all

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Speaker 3: But in a fight, like that's what happens. Like, what

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Speaker 3: are you thinking of that moment, because it's kind of disrespectful.

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Speaker 1: In the moment, I was kind of more of a young,

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Speaker 1: I'm like, if shure, he goes down there, it's over,

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Speaker 1: it's science seals.

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Speaker 2: Were you long in a relationship or had you guys

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Speaker 1: Now we've been in a long We were probably like

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Speaker 2: Five years you how long have you guys been together?

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Speaker 1: Twenty eleven?

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Speaker 1: We have very dating before then, in like twenty ten,

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Speaker 1: You know, I'm playing the field, she frightly. I hate that. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: So going back to me, he sent somebody up. I

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Speaker 1: I know how this goes. You're trying to tell me

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Speaker 3: You went to him, I went they came up to

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Speaker 1: Is when Wyman just won and I think he had

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Speaker 1: so they go back, they come back again, and they're

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Speaker 1: like I seen this movie before we go down together.

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Speaker 1: She goes in. They try to stop me. It's gonna

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Speaker 1: So I'm like, you could tell him? So then I think.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. If they came back a third time,

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Speaker 1: I forget this story. But I told them to tell

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Speaker 1: him he's undefeated in boxing, I'm undefeated in MMA, and

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Speaker 1: if he wants to figure out what sport is better,

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Speaker 3: And that was the nd it.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if he actually went there and toil.

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Speaker 1: Boys like yeah, I don't want those problems. But I'm

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he can find out. I always kind of

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Speaker 2: wondered if that was a real story. You've been in

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Speaker 2: this thing for a while now. I thought UFC one seventy,

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Speaker 3: The motivations don't change.

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Speaker 2: How do you stay motivated as you get to this point,

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Speaker 2: and what is the difference in the feeling right the

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Speaker 2: fresh off of a big victory over Brian Ortega, where

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Speaker 2: I thought you looked fantastic.

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Speaker 1: Thank you. I think that the motivation is definitely different,

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Speaker 1: and I think it just goes back to those goals

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Speaker 1: In the beginning, I'm more hungry, I want more. I'm

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Speaker 1: Thankfully it worked out. But at the time when I

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Speaker 1: with increasing salary, benefits the pleasure of coaching kids, which

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Speaker 1: is my passion for wrestling. So this sport is so

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Speaker 1: I want people to understand, is this sport could take

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Speaker 1: and it's easy to get resentful when you're having those

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Speaker 2: I just think that the UFC at that time was

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Speaker 3: About could I fight for the belt? Could I do this?

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Speaker 2: And then Diego Lopez looks like he looked at no

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Speaker 1: I've never turned down any fight that the UC has ever.

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Speaker 2: But there's there's like a everybody's angry right now. Loren's mad.

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Speaker 2: Loren's mad, Bro, why you're so tight?

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Speaker 3: Loren's mad that you're actually even putting yourself in the conversation.

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm mad that he's trying to take me out

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Speaker 3: It's laughable.

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Speaker 1: Really, you You've got like two finishes in the UFC,

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Speaker 3: But he's only one. I don't want to play Devil's

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Speaker 1: He's only one.

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Speaker 3: He just wins, and he wins when.

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Speaker 2: But then that I have twice as many fights as

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Speaker 2: he has. I understand fought an undefeated fight, and arguably

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Speaker 1: On another night, I probably win that fight. So just

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Speaker 2: Doesn't want your name in the conversation at all. Do

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Speaker 3: Do you think no? Or maybe.

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Speaker 2: When a guy like al Jamain and Sterling starts to

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Speaker 3: He said, Okay, sure, if I have to, that's what

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Speaker 1: But you're like, because I know he's not getting the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, No, Diego Lopez is not fighting for the title.

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Speaker 2: But if you need it to fight a fight, they

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Speaker 2: I've never turned one down. Loron is sitting there going

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Speaker 2: I get it. He's got more fights than me, He's

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Speaker 2: Al Jamayin and Sterling does fit what we need.

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Speaker 1: For Volkanovski and folks say he's down with the money.

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Speaker 2: And that's even worse because for Loron, Volcanoski is all

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Speaker 2: then he says, I'm okay if Al Jamain gets it,

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Speaker 2: So you got to be able to understand where Loron's

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Speaker 1: Please would then beat the ranked fighter.

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Speaker 2: He just beat Aaron Pico. They put him in, They

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Speaker 3: How how Aaron p was a beast does on short notice.

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Speaker 1: I am not discrediting Aaron Pico, but he has lost

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Speaker 1: multiple times, and he has lost multiple times, this saying

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Speaker 1: the same way, I hear you and then you come over.

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Speaker 1: Never winning a belt in another major championship organization, understand,

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Speaker 1: time in years for Laurel Murphy. And then you're thinking

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Speaker 1: that grants you the tire shot. And don't get me wrong,

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Speaker 1: it was a spectacular whole main event pay per view.

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Speaker 1: It was a big opportunity, and he stepped up, and

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Speaker 1: I applaud him for that. He stepped up for the

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Speaker 1: but I say I have a pretty damn good argument

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Speaker 3: Because he is mad that you're even saying I deserve and.

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Speaker 1: Also me in vocal at the same age, Man, let

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Speaker 1: the uncle's fight, right, Yeah, Let big uncles fight.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So, al Jael, when you look when you look.

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Speaker 1: Bad, I understand, I'm cloud man, joking around.

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Speaker 2: I understand, have a good time.

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Speaker 3: But you're gonna get Lauren, and Lauren will be all

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Speaker 2: Hey, al Jael, when you when you were training with

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Speaker 1: Know, never for the black guy.

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Speaker 2: You've never fought a black guy, tell you something day

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Speaker 3: They a little strong.

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Speaker 1: Bro.

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Speaker 3: I used to wrestle black people. I hate it if

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Speaker 3: It don't work on them. That's not that bad, al Joe,

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Speaker 1: I was like, I don't really fight them, but I'm like, yo, I.

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Speaker 2: Don't mind fighting the brother, but I'm like, yo, a

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Speaker 2: They got the brothers be having different types of hips,

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Speaker 2: different types of explosions, and everything's strong too. I could

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Speaker 2: only imagine fighting Francis. Could you imagine france Is how

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Speaker 1: Not at all?

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Speaker 3: That would actually be so crazy.

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Speaker 2: It for me, that's kind of crazy that you've been

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Speaker 1: In the UFC or in the regional circuit.

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Speaker 3: That's going to be you and LAURYL Murphy at some point.

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Speaker 1: I know, it's kind of crazy. I'm like, I'm gonna

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Speaker 2: For the championship at whole you know, maybe for the

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Speaker 1: Was so I figured I had to kind of throw

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Speaker 3: Shit.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know what's going on with that, and

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440
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441
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442
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443
00:19:17,960 --> 00:19:23,000
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444
00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:26,720
Speaker 2: or Virginia to play. Terms and conditions apply. Concerned about

445
00:19:26,760 --> 00:19:33,040
Speaker 2: gambling in Florida called one eight eight eight ad mit it.

446
00:19:33,720 --> 00:19:36,639
Speaker 2: In Indiana, if you are someone you know has a

447
00:19:36,680 --> 00:19:39,520
Speaker 2: gambling problem and wants help, call one eight hundred and

448
00:19:39,680 --> 00:19:42,600
Speaker 2: nine with it. And if you have a gambling problem,

449
00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:46,920
Speaker 2: call one eight hundred gambler al jam. Was there ever

450
00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:48,840
Speaker 2: a time when you were training the beginning of your

451
00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:52,720
Speaker 2: career where you can point back and go, I think

452
00:19:52,760 --> 00:19:54,640
Speaker 2: I might be the best in the world. I'm very

453
00:19:54,680 --> 00:19:57,880
Speaker 2: close to it, like in training in a fight where

454
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Speaker 2: you go, I think I may just the best in

455
00:20:00,520 --> 00:20:03,240
Speaker 2: the world, like or I'm ready to fight the best

456
00:20:03,280 --> 00:20:06,640
Speaker 2: in the world, because you know, you know in your career,

457
00:20:07,080 --> 00:20:09,479
Speaker 2: I'm pretty good at this, but I don't know if

458
00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:13,639
Speaker 2: I can beat that guy yet, but I feel in

459
00:20:13,720 --> 00:20:16,399
Speaker 2: time I will be able to can you point to

460
00:20:16,440 --> 00:20:19,680
Speaker 2: a time where you went, now, I'm ready, I'm complete.

461
00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:24,520
Speaker 1: I would say the first feeling of that where I

462
00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:27,119
Speaker 1: could like us, give myself a self nod and like

463
00:20:27,800 --> 00:20:31,719
Speaker 1: you're him was after I fought Paedo Munos in twenty

464
00:20:31,840 --> 00:20:36,120
Speaker 1: nineteen and in Chicago, and it was an all stand

465
00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:38,080
Speaker 1: up fight. I had torn the ligamin in my wrists,

466
00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:41,119
Speaker 1: so I got two scars here from the surgery. It

467
00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:43,200
Speaker 1: took out the ten in from the as it all up.

468
00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:47,080
Speaker 1: So from twenty fifteen I tore it. And my grappling

469
00:20:47,119 --> 00:20:49,720
Speaker 1: has substantially gotten weaker over the years, where I would

470
00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:51,680
Speaker 1: shoot and guys would just pull the leg back and

471
00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:54,440
Speaker 1: I couldn't grip. I went from doing farmer carriage of

472
00:20:54,440 --> 00:20:57,080
Speaker 1: one hundred and twenty pound dumbells one hundred pound dumbells

473
00:20:57,119 --> 00:21:00,679
Speaker 1: easy to this was like forty come on, so serious.

474
00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:02,760
Speaker 1: So when I fought him, that's one of the lowest

475
00:21:02,760 --> 00:21:04,320
Speaker 1: has ever been. And I got to a point where

476
00:21:04,359 --> 00:21:06,560
Speaker 1: I was super nervous because like, dude, I'm not gonna

477
00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:07,800
Speaker 1: be able to wrestle with this guy, and I know

478
00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:09,159
Speaker 1: he's gonna be looking for a guie team. And I

479
00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:11,600
Speaker 1: was forced to stand up in trade, and when I

480
00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:13,480
Speaker 1: was able to outstrike a guy like that who just

481
00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:16,879
Speaker 1: knocked out Cody Garberer, that gave me a confidence to know, like,

482
00:21:17,280 --> 00:21:20,960
Speaker 1: he's a gamer, he's a heavy pressure fighter, he doesn't

483
00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:25,880
Speaker 1: quit solid jiu jitsu. He's also been a perennial top contender,

484
00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:28,280
Speaker 1: top ten, top five, and at the time he was

485
00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:32,199
Speaker 1: running top five. So yeah, so that was like the

486
00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:34,639
Speaker 1: first glimpse of that. I was like, dude, I have

487
00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:37,720
Speaker 1: the whole package. I can strike, I can grapple. Obviously

488
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Speaker 1: wrestling is my expertise in jiu jitsu. And then when

489
00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:44,240
Speaker 1: I fought Corey Sanahagen, that solidified it and I just

490
00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:46,680
Speaker 1: knew it was like I had to fight three top

491
00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:48,399
Speaker 1: five guys in order to get a crack at the belt,

492
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Speaker 1: and I beat all of them. The last one was

493
00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:53,920
Speaker 1: icing on the cake and I finished Cory Sanagen like

494
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Speaker 1: eighty eight seconds.

495
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Speaker 3: I remember that.

496
00:21:55,560 --> 00:21:58,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, And after that was like that's when we knew.

497
00:21:58,200 --> 00:21:59,360
Speaker 2: At the broadcast table, like.

498
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Speaker 1: Uh, you and row I remember listening to that and

499
00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:04,760
Speaker 1: then you were kind of like saying like this is

500
00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:06,960
Speaker 1: they want the new shiny thing. And then Rogan was

501
00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:09,000
Speaker 1: kind of like, well, we didn't know. We didn't like

502
00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:11,000
Speaker 1: I've been right here the whole time.

503
00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:14,159
Speaker 2: Sometimes is the person that you don't expect that shows

504
00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:18,200
Speaker 2: up Al Jamayne. You win that fight, then we get

505
00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:24,280
Speaker 2: to the Poorian fight right. Well, But but it was

506
00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:27,359
Speaker 2: to me when I look back on it, I think

507
00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:32,679
Speaker 2: back to it was a nervous al Jamain sterling inside

508
00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:35,840
Speaker 2: the octagon that night, fighting really outside of himself. But

509
00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:42,720
Speaker 2: you won the belt in such a strange way right

510
00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:48,280
Speaker 2: after that illegal knee. I want to know what the

511
00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:51,600
Speaker 2: moment for you was like in real time, right because

512
00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:54,879
Speaker 2: we're in the APEX super quiet.

513
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Speaker 3: It's quiet.

514
00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:58,760
Speaker 2: You can hear us at the commentary table talking, or

515
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Speaker 2: could you could you so here on us our car?

516
00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:03,120
Speaker 2: Were you out of it to the point that you're

517
00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:06,600
Speaker 2: like operating in like almost a concussed state like I was.

518
00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:10,160
Speaker 2: I always wondered, like, what were you thinking in there?

519
00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:14,280
Speaker 2: Because it's like, I can get up and fight this dude, right,

520
00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:18,040
Speaker 2: but I'm gonna be severely compromised and I may lose

521
00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:21,560
Speaker 2: this fight. Maybe the next shot knocks me out. Were

522
00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:24,159
Speaker 2: you aware that if you weren't able to continue, that

523
00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:25,600
Speaker 2: the fight was going to be over and you would

524
00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:27,600
Speaker 2: win the belt? No, you thought it was mading no

525
00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:28,359
Speaker 2: contest or something.

526
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Speaker 1: I didn't know what it was going to be because

527
00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:32,680
Speaker 1: I think we were like over three rounds or something

528
00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:35,119
Speaker 1: like that, So I didn't hear you guys when you

529
00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:37,480
Speaker 1: guys were talking. When I go you, Finn, hears no

530
00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:39,840
Speaker 1: because it was you guys are like whispering. But at

531
00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:41,639
Speaker 1: that point that's I get punded in the head with

532
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Speaker 1: the knee. I'm just trying to think, like how and

533
00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:47,960
Speaker 1: what the fuck was this guy thinking to even do

534
00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:49,000
Speaker 1: something stupid?

535
00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:50,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I'm.

536
00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:52,440
Speaker 1: Sitting there on one knee waiting to get up because

537
00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:54,240
Speaker 1: he had his hands on my head. So one I

538
00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:56,600
Speaker 1: can't see him looking at the ground, I can't see him,

539
00:23:56,600 --> 00:23:59,520
Speaker 1: but strategically I know I can't get neat here. Yeah,

540
00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:01,200
Speaker 1: so you call a stole in the fight, I called

541
00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:03,359
Speaker 1: a fight at Q. I'm dead tired.

542
00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:05,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, you looked exhausted, barely was.

543
00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:08,640
Speaker 1: I was exhausted from the first round and that's because

544
00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:13,280
Speaker 1: the rehydration was just off terrible. And when I went

545
00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:15,960
Speaker 1: through the day with the PI team, they explained it

546
00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:17,879
Speaker 1: to me, it's like you didn't put nowhere near as

547
00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:20,119
Speaker 1: much refuel in your body as you should have. I

548
00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:22,399
Speaker 1: was like, I'm telling you from the whole day in

549
00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:24,879
Speaker 1: the normally take a night before the fight. I had

550
00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:29,119
Speaker 1: about five hours and I could not sleep, and the

551
00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:32,760
Speaker 1: performance showed. But I didn't hear anything what you guys

552
00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:35,160
Speaker 1: are talking. I'm just trying to collect my thoughts, gather myself,

553
00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:37,960
Speaker 1: and I'm thinking, get up and fight, get up and fight.

554
00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:39,680
Speaker 1: And then when Mark came over, he said you got

555
00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:42,520
Speaker 1: five minutes. I was like, that's when I went and

556
00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:45,240
Speaker 1: just laid back down. And I understand that the way

557
00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:47,359
Speaker 1: it looks, people are like, oh, you were selling it,

558
00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:49,359
Speaker 1: you were acting, because after you told me, I sat

559
00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:51,160
Speaker 1: up and then I kind of do one of these things,

560
00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:53,600
Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh, I can see why the fans

561
00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:55,680
Speaker 1: are mad, like, oh, this guy's acting blah blah blah.

562
00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:58,280
Speaker 1: But it wasn't anything like that. Just trying to lay down,

563
00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:02,639
Speaker 1: relax and hopefully stay in the fight because no fighter

564
00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:06,160
Speaker 1: wants to quit. But I'm glad Mark Smith called it

565
00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:07,880
Speaker 1: because he saved me for myself.

566
00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:09,040
Speaker 3: You would have got to be fault.

567
00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:10,359
Speaker 1: I would have got up and fault, but then it

568
00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:12,520
Speaker 1: would have been yeah, one shot could have probably put

569
00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:15,760
Speaker 1: me out, and then it'd have been all for for.

570
00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:17,840
Speaker 2: What, just to show that you're talking.

571
00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:18,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, for you.

572
00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:20,480
Speaker 1: People to pat me on my back. I'm like, you

573
00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:22,959
Speaker 1: don't care about my bank account? Yeah, like in hindsight,

574
00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:25,719
Speaker 1: it worked out for my bank account. Yeah. Peodi to

575
00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:28,280
Speaker 1: this day says I owe because he changed my life.

576
00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:31,080
Speaker 3: She did, but it really did though, it really did

577
00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:32,160
Speaker 3: change everything.

578
00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:34,640
Speaker 1: But it's funny. He's like, I changed his brother life.

579
00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:35,200
Speaker 1: You owe me.

580
00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:39,000
Speaker 2: Is a killer man, but he he he made a

581
00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:43,359
Speaker 2: really bad mistake in the sight that night, and he

582
00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:43,920
Speaker 2: really is.

583
00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:47,040
Speaker 3: What do you think the toughest part of dealing with

584
00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:47,840
Speaker 3: that was?

585
00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:50,800
Speaker 2: Was it the backlash from the fans when like the pundits,

586
00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:54,880
Speaker 2: like everybody criticized you from from from.

587
00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:57,040
Speaker 3: I bet there was.

588
00:25:57,200 --> 00:25:59,719
Speaker 2: Very few places in this world where you could go

589
00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:03,159
Speaker 2: in the escape it. So you're holding this new belt,

590
00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:06,920
Speaker 2: but you can't really celebrate it because everybody's on your

591
00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:09,399
Speaker 2: neck about what you did or how it looked.

592
00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:11,879
Speaker 1: Yeah. So I got to a point where I was like, well,

593
00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:14,840
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna play the heel because clearly what I

594
00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:18,760
Speaker 1: said doesn't matter. Peodian posted a picture and said he

595
00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:21,919
Speaker 1: was acting, and everyone took that as godspeling ran with it,

596
00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:24,399
Speaker 1: and this is the guy who was just in the

597
00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:27,600
Speaker 1: bathroom throwing up, who has about thirty people at his

598
00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:30,760
Speaker 1: house that flew in from New York for their homeboy

599
00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:33,240
Speaker 1: to go fight for a world title. Yeah, the fight

600
00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:35,040
Speaker 1: goes the way it goes. I still have all these

601
00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:36,800
Speaker 1: people in my house. What I'm gonna do my tail

602
00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:39,359
Speaker 1: and go to my room and say, guys go home. Yeah,

603
00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:41,280
Speaker 1: so that everyone came in. When I got home back

604
00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:43,760
Speaker 1: from the hospital, everyone tried to cheer me up. And

605
00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:45,959
Speaker 1: the funniest part is like, oh, Dana said you had

606
00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:47,679
Speaker 1: a catskin and there was nothing wrong with you. I'm like,

607
00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:50,800
Speaker 1: cat scans don't detect concussions. I think you actually know

608
00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:54,960
Speaker 1: how concussions work. Bro with da said get back and

609
00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:56,800
Speaker 1: hang out with everybody, And one of my best friends

610
00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:58,560
Speaker 1: he's like he's gonna be at the wedding too, And

611
00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:01,560
Speaker 1: he comes over and he's like, yeah, bro, he gave

612
00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:04,760
Speaker 1: me the bell. He's like, yo, I don't care what happened,

613
00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:07,119
Speaker 1: bumped that you're a UC champion. I need you to

614
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:08,800
Speaker 1: say it, and just kept coming over. I was like, joh,

615
00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:10,480
Speaker 1: I don't want to even say that right now, but

616
00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:12,240
Speaker 1: kept saying when, don't leave me alone. Till I said it,

617
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:13,840
Speaker 1: and I was like, I'm a USC champion. I'm a

618
00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:16,879
Speaker 1: UC champion. And then we everyone kind of came in.

619
00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:18,080
Speaker 1: Maroba loves to do his toast.

620
00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:21,240
Speaker 3: Oh my god, an hour of toast, so.

621
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:23,280
Speaker 1: He brings everybody in. We do a toast. They asked

622
00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:24,960
Speaker 1: me to say something, and then I just had a

623
00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:28,920
Speaker 1: little glass of champagne. We did a toast. I take

624
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:30,560
Speaker 1: a little small sip and then I put it down

625
00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:32,840
Speaker 1: that my head is certain, I'm just throwing up.

626
00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:35,240
Speaker 2: I'm just like, I just caud that's a bad one

627
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:35,959
Speaker 2: if you're throwing up.

628
00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:39,399
Speaker 1: Yeah. So I mean it wasn't like profusely or anything

629
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:41,280
Speaker 1: like that, but I did for sure throw up. And

630
00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:44,120
Speaker 1: then I'm like, normally I would drink after a fight,

631
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:45,840
Speaker 1: but after that, I was just like, dude, my head

632
00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:48,200
Speaker 1: has killed me. There's no way I can party right now.

633
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:51,159
Speaker 3: Did you regret it? Did you regret taking that photo?

634
00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:56,240
Speaker 1: I don't regret taking a photo because again I'm with friends,

635
00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:59,320
Speaker 1: friends and family and people I went to school. It

636
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:04,520
Speaker 1: since middle school, high school, college. Like, how am I

637
00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:06,680
Speaker 1: to deny these people who spend all their hard money

638
00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:08,359
Speaker 1: to come all the way here to come spend the

639
00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:11,720
Speaker 1: time drink with them. Yeah, you know, so that's the

640
00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:14,120
Speaker 1: least I could do, you know I yeah, of course

641
00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:17,600
Speaker 1: they know shitty. But on highsight, they brought it back

642
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:20,560
Speaker 1: up to me. They go, you guys are gonna do

643
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:24,800
Speaker 1: an automatic rematch, and I go, oh shit, I'm gonna

644
00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:25,680
Speaker 1: get a paybamp.

645
00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:28,080
Speaker 2: You get a pay bump, you get the pay per view.

646
00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:29,960
Speaker 2: There was a lot of different things to that.

647
00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:32,960
Speaker 1: So for me, I'm like, well, glass half full. I'm like, well,

648
00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:35,600
Speaker 1: how do I turn a shitty situation to a positive one?

649
00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:37,320
Speaker 1: So outside of that, that was like the only way

650
00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:39,520
Speaker 1: I can look at it in a positive lay, like

651
00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:41,280
Speaker 1: I get a chance to redeem myself. But then I

652
00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:43,920
Speaker 1: had to get the next surgery right after. Yeah, because

653
00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:46,040
Speaker 1: the knee and all the slams he hit me with,

654
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:48,440
Speaker 1: just because of how notice he tried to do that

655
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:50,560
Speaker 1: in the second fight. Who has ever swept my feet

656
00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:52,840
Speaker 1: and had to fell over? And then people were saying

657
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:54,640
Speaker 1: you were just terrible. Then now you made so much

658
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:57,080
Speaker 1: great adjustments. I'm like, guys, I literally had no energy.

659
00:28:57,160 --> 00:28:59,440
Speaker 1: If you ever cut weight, that's what it felt like

660
00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:01,240
Speaker 1: trying to fight someone who was at full strength on

661
00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:01,840
Speaker 1: your cutting weight.

662
00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:04,240
Speaker 2: Why do you try to explain that to people, because

663
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:04,560
Speaker 2: they're like.

664
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:07,160
Speaker 1: What I don't like is they go, you are so

665
00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:11,040
Speaker 1: much more improved than second fight. I'm like, I can't

666
00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:14,640
Speaker 1: do anything different other than I was just myself felt

667
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:17,400
Speaker 1: good like I have in every other fight, and whenever

668
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:19,920
Speaker 1: I feel good, give me time to prepare, and I

669
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:21,040
Speaker 1: fucking I smashed.

670
00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:21,280
Speaker 3: Dude.

671
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:25,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know going into that second fight did

672
00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:27,440
Speaker 2: that feel you like? Did that feel you did? The

673
00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:31,640
Speaker 2: idea that you could get things right and go right

674
00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:36,080
Speaker 2: back and prove that it wasn't me, But you could

675
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:39,360
Speaker 2: take that that negative because even Ryan Clark and I

676
00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:42,120
Speaker 2: sat up there on the ESPN and we talked about, oh,

677
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:44,040
Speaker 2: I'll do this, and I was trying not to do

678
00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:47,120
Speaker 2: it because I understand, but like Ryan, you know, he's

679
00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:50,200
Speaker 2: a football guy and he's like loves MMA, but he's like, well,

680
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:53,160
Speaker 2: that was this, That was that right? He had the

681
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:57,880
Speaker 2: he had the he had the opinion of the general

682
00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:00,440
Speaker 2: sports fan. Yes, the general's the wards.

683
00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:02,720
Speaker 3: Fan is who we want to draw in to mix

684
00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:03,280
Speaker 3: martial arts.

685
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:04,440
Speaker 2: And when they saw that, when in the middle of

686
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:07,960
Speaker 2: a pandemic, not many people had many other things to watch,

687
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:10,959
Speaker 2: but then to go back and do it. Did that

688
00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:14,400
Speaker 2: fuel you those people that were on your neck? Did

689
00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:15,960
Speaker 2: it fuel you to go out and fight better?

690
00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:22,200
Speaker 1: Definitely fuel for the fire. And just imagine anything I posted,

691
00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:25,680
Speaker 1: any friend or family member that posted me and I

692
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:29,200
Speaker 1: reposted shirt to like my story or whatever, they would

693
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:33,000
Speaker 1: just be in the dms either dropping the mbomb, calling monkeys.

694
00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:34,520
Speaker 3: Really or so he got racists.

695
00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:38,400
Speaker 1: Yeah. And also just clown emojis NonStop. So I had

696
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:40,480
Speaker 1: a year and a half or just straight clown emojis

697
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:42,840
Speaker 1: on my page. And then after I won.

698
00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:47,840
Speaker 2: It isn't that ugly though, Like, isn't that ugly? But

699
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:50,720
Speaker 2: isn't that ugly that you got called those negative things

700
00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:55,440
Speaker 2: just racism because of a fight, because of the result

701
00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:58,720
Speaker 2: of a fight, and you weren't the one that actually

702
00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:00,000
Speaker 2: did the illegal blow.

703
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:05,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's fascinating. It's this people man in society. This

704
00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:08,120
Speaker 1: is why for athletes you have to have thick skin.

705
00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:11,120
Speaker 1: And I had many people and a lot of consults

706
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:13,560
Speaker 1: turning to tell me like, uh, stay out for social media,

707
00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:17,080
Speaker 1: and I was like, no, I'm not gonna let nobody

708
00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:19,880
Speaker 1: bully me. I let the fans bully me, ain't gonna

709
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:22,040
Speaker 1: let my family bully me into making me do something

710
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:23,960
Speaker 1: I don't want to do what I'm supposed to do.

711
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:25,480
Speaker 1: I'm a man. I'm not gonna sit there and tuck

712
00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:28,440
Speaker 1: my tail and hide from something that I'm not proud of.

713
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:31,120
Speaker 1: But I get a chance to write the ship, and

714
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:33,040
Speaker 1: sure enough I that to write the shit. You know?

715
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:34,120
Speaker 3: Can I tell you something what's funny?

716
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:37,920
Speaker 1: What gets me during this whole period? Two and me

717
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:40,480
Speaker 1: explaining the situation of what I felt to my coaches

718
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:44,280
Speaker 1: because I called for Pedian before, of course sin Hagen. Yeah,

719
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:47,760
Speaker 1: it was between san Jagen, mall of Maris Piotian. Shelby

720
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:50,200
Speaker 1: asked me who I want to fight. He said, I said,

721
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:52,280
Speaker 1: give me Peodeon. That's the easiest fight out of the three.

722
00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:56,240
Speaker 1: And this is in twenty twenty, and I think he

723
00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:58,960
Speaker 1: thought I was crazy. It was like, nobody wants to

724
00:31:59,000 --> 00:31:59,440
Speaker 1: fight this guy.

725
00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:00,000
Speaker 3: Well he was killed.

726
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:03,240
Speaker 1: I want to fight this guy because I just didn't

727
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:05,000
Speaker 1: think he was as good as people were saying, like

728
00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:07,360
Speaker 1: he's a great striker. I'm gonna sho him what Grapham

729
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:10,800
Speaker 1: could look like. And then I get the chance, and

730
00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:13,680
Speaker 1: you see how I did. Corey steps to the cage.

731
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:16,880
Speaker 1: He starts defending bullying, him off the cage, lock in,

732
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:19,080
Speaker 1: climb his back, push off the cage. He can't stop

733
00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:22,000
Speaker 1: anything I'm doing. I said, if I were to have

734
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:25,840
Speaker 1: been fully hydrated the way, refueled, ate the proper way.

735
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:27,920
Speaker 1: And it sounds stupid to say because people don't understand

736
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:29,680
Speaker 1: what it is to cut weight, So it's kind of like,

737
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:32,120
Speaker 1: are you saying you should have ate more? I'm like, yes,

738
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:34,520
Speaker 1: you have to starve me yourself, cutting down from one

739
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:36,240
Speaker 1: hundred and seventy pounds down to one hundred and thirty

740
00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:39,360
Speaker 1: five pounds and then not refilling your body. Yeah, I

741
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:41,840
Speaker 1: think that makes a big difference. But I also said,

742
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:43,840
Speaker 1: in the first fight, if I had felt the way

743
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:45,360
Speaker 1: I should have felt, I think I would have finished

744
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:46,000
Speaker 1: him in the first round.

745
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:48,680
Speaker 2: Now, when you look back on that part of your career,

746
00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:53,000
Speaker 2: right as we move forward, did it change your relationship

747
00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:55,800
Speaker 2: with fans and with the people that cover the sport?

748
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:56,600
Speaker 1: How could it not?

749
00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:57,360
Speaker 3: Yeah?

750
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:02,160
Speaker 1: Oh but even with that, even me explaining that, what

751
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:04,960
Speaker 1: I wanted to really say was I had my coaches

752
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 1: even asking me, am I sure that's all it was?

753
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:10,120
Speaker 3: Are you kidding me?

754
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:13,320
Speaker 1: Bro? That must have hurt well multiple times? That must

755
00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:15,160
Speaker 1: have hurt it hurt me here because I was like,

756
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:17,400
Speaker 1: why would I ever lie to you? You don't think

757
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:18,720
Speaker 1: I want to win? If I was lying to you,

758
00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:20,480
Speaker 1: then how do I get better? How do we get better?

759
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:22,959
Speaker 1: For us to prove that we were the better guy?

760
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:25,880
Speaker 1: And that was just the wrong night. And I remember

761
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:27,600
Speaker 1: one time I kind of snapped at the gym.

762
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:29,840
Speaker 3: I was saying that you have those conversations with them.

763
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:33,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, multiple times? What was wrong? You know, you went

764
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:34,800
Speaker 1: to Vegas and after you left here, you were in

765
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:36,360
Speaker 1: great shit that you went to Vegas and like you

766
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:39,720
Speaker 1: think I went to Vegas and this party like that?

767
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:41,320
Speaker 1: When have you ever known me to do it? So

768
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:42,920
Speaker 1: there was some things that rubbed me the wrong way.

769
00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:45,320
Speaker 1: But then at one time I snapped a little bit

770
00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:47,320
Speaker 1: and kind of tell them, like, guys, stop fucking saying

771
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:50,280
Speaker 1: this stupid narrative. I've done told you how many times

772
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:53,560
Speaker 1: what happened, and I guarantee you the second fight won't

773
00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:56,680
Speaker 1: look like that. But I just had to get it

774
00:33:56,760 --> 00:33:57,440
Speaker 1: that with Chest.

775
00:33:57,560 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 2: But you keep those guys close to you too, still

776
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:02,440
Speaker 2: even longer than those guys, they still they played such

777
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:04,280
Speaker 2: a massive party of her. The main one kind of like,

778
00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:07,120
Speaker 2: believe me, he's a real he's a real guy, and

779
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:08,360
Speaker 2: he'll always ask the question.

780
00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:10,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I'm like, how many times you're gonna ask

781
00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:13,040
Speaker 1: the same question, like I only so many times before

782
00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:16,960
Speaker 1: it gets annoying. Yeah, but yeah, definitely, my my relationship

783
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:18,320
Speaker 1: with the fans that I would say for sure I

784
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:21,759
Speaker 1: has changed because it's like, how can you flip on

785
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:26,359
Speaker 1: somebody overnight like that and be so dark and ugly,

786
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:31,160
Speaker 1: like to throw out racial slurs, attacking my family pictures

787
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:34,080
Speaker 1: with my mom my sisters. Uh, there's only so much

788
00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:36,200
Speaker 1: that you could take and just try to have grace

789
00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:39,400
Speaker 1: and want to be peaceful with everybody because not everyone

790
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:40,959
Speaker 1: is a true, genuine fan.

791
00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:43,160
Speaker 3: No, you know, not everybody's true.

792
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:47,279
Speaker 1: So that was that was with that, But I just

793
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:51,080
Speaker 1: I just learned to not get as friendly as I

794
00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:53,480
Speaker 1: used to be. And my fiance sometimes she tells me, like,

795
00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:55,719
Speaker 1: why are you coming off so so mean, so cold?

796
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:57,719
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm not coming off cold. Like I gave

797
00:34:57,760 --> 00:34:59,120
Speaker 1: you one of the picture. I gave him a picture.

798
00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:00,759
Speaker 1: It's like I'm not gonna sit there.

799
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:03,880
Speaker 2: And give him my energy and my time like I

800
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:04,640
Speaker 2: would have before.

801
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:06,960
Speaker 1: Yes, like before I would take a time and have

802
00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:09,560
Speaker 1: a full conversation even though I need to go to

803
00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:12,680
Speaker 1: this place. But it's like, why am I doing that

804
00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:14,759
Speaker 1: for someone that can literally just do this and say

805
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:15,600
Speaker 1: I'm nothing to them.

806
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:20,360
Speaker 2: Any Yeah, you become the champ, defend the belt multiple times,

807
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:22,160
Speaker 2: you fight Sean O'Malley.

808
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:26,359
Speaker 3: Whenever you really don't want to fight Sean O'Malley, you can, I.

809
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:29,160
Speaker 1: Say, I hate talking about this guy.

810
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:31,839
Speaker 2: I understand because people keep saying that he's living in

811
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:33,880
Speaker 2: my head. No, no, but it's not about Red Free. So

812
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:36,000
Speaker 2: it's not even about the fight, right, you fight the

813
00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:41,279
Speaker 2: fight you and I have poken off the record. It's

814
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:43,759
Speaker 2: not a fight that you necessarily wanted to do. You

815
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:47,319
Speaker 2: did it at the time, at the time timing, at

816
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:49,480
Speaker 2: the timing meaning that there was a month or two

817
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:53,759
Speaker 2: after fighting Henry Sahudo two months three? Yeah, how did

818
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:57,560
Speaker 2: you get how did you? How long did the bad blood?

819
00:35:57,640 --> 00:35:59,680
Speaker 2: Are the bad emotions harbor?

820
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:00,399
Speaker 1: Right?

821
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:04,520
Speaker 2: Because I would have felt almost betrayed by the organization, like, man,

822
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:07,200
Speaker 2: I didn't want to do this and then that happens,

823
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:11,200
Speaker 2: Like did you have like real bad feelings about the

824
00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:12,880
Speaker 2: situation towards the organization?

825
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:13,719
Speaker 3: And how long they did?

826
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:16,880
Speaker 2: Did they last? If you did.

827
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:19,560
Speaker 1: I don't say it was bad feelings. I feel like

828
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:27,320
Speaker 1: I was more disappointed in myself for the for caving. Yeah,

829
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:29,799
Speaker 1: because I had said no from the very beginning. I

830
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:34,520
Speaker 1: said no again, said no five times esus, and I

831
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:38,240
Speaker 1: got to a point where I felt like my manager

832
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:40,279
Speaker 1: was almost like working for them, because he after I

833
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:41,799
Speaker 1: would tell him no, he was It was almost like

834
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:43,440
Speaker 1: he was trying to convince me why it was a

835
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:45,719
Speaker 1: good idea. Even after I told him. I was like, dude,

836
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 1: I could barely walk because my legs. I just thought

837
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:50,640
Speaker 1: I had a demo on my legs. You could put

838
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:52,560
Speaker 1: a whole handprint in.

839
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:53,920
Speaker 3: My shin in you're skinny.

840
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:56,920
Speaker 2: That shouldn't happen from just kicking with Henry.

841
00:36:57,040 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 1: So I had a whole month off that couldn't actually train.

842
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:00,919
Speaker 3: I rolled the dice.

843
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:02,920
Speaker 1: Because I eventually cave, I roll the dice and it

844
00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:04,640
Speaker 1: just didn't work out all that weight I had to

845
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:06,640
Speaker 1: cut again. It was like, dude, I told you guys,

846
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:08,920
Speaker 1: I just need a little bit more time to actually

847
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:12,319
Speaker 1: mentally be there and to physically be ready to go.

848
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:14,800
Speaker 1: And then the counter is well he bro he popped

849
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:16,640
Speaker 1: the rib and training. I'm like dude, but that happened

850
00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:19,880
Speaker 1: in training. He didn't fight for twelve almost twelve months.

851
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:23,200
Speaker 1: He literally said on the sideline and got gifted of

852
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:27,160
Speaker 1: golden opportunity at an opportunist time. And I don't fault

853
00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:29,839
Speaker 1: him for taking it. He was giving that opportunity through

854
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:33,640
Speaker 1: the UFC. I wasn't given that favoritism. So it's hard

855
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:35,960
Speaker 1: not to be upset about it. But again I still

856
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:38,560
Speaker 1: look back at myself and go, well, I rolled the dice,

857
00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:40,719
Speaker 1: I came up short. And then that's when I kind

858
00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:42,480
Speaker 1: of went on vacation with my fiance. We took like

859
00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:43,160
Speaker 1: a month, and now I.

860
00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:44,680
Speaker 3: Saw that you guys were going crazy.

861
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:46,439
Speaker 1: That was living my most best life.

862
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:48,200
Speaker 2: And when you got back, were you able to go like,

863
00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:50,440
Speaker 2: all right, it is what it is, this is what

864
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:51,000
Speaker 2: they wanted.

865
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:53,400
Speaker 3: I did it. I caved, even though I shouldn't have.

866
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:54,840
Speaker 3: I got to just move forward.

867
00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, that's all you can do. I'm not gonna,

868
00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:00,080
Speaker 1: They're not gonna. I asked for an order matter a

869
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:03,440
Speaker 1: rematch class. They said no, and so I was kind

870
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:05,160
Speaker 1: of like reading the writing on the on the wall.

871
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:07,680
Speaker 1: I was kind of like, I'm being set up to fail,

872
00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:12,080
Speaker 1: and I know it, which is why I'm saying no,

873
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:15,759
Speaker 1: And the fact that I eventually came in, I was just.

874
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:18,840
Speaker 2: Like, that's a hard thing to do, going there and

875
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:21,080
Speaker 2: knowing that, Yeah.

876
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:22,719
Speaker 1: Like just being in the octagon when you don't want

877
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:25,200
Speaker 1: to be in theres, you can't. And I saw the fight.

878
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:28,000
Speaker 1: I sold it as best as I could, because the

879
00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:30,040
Speaker 1: part of it was like, well, people think that you're

880
00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:32,360
Speaker 1: not fighting. You're saying that you're not fighting in the media,

881
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:34,839
Speaker 1: but then you're telling us you are. I'm like, yeah,

882
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:36,680
Speaker 1: because I told you guys that I don't want to

883
00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:39,359
Speaker 1: do this. I don't know what my what this guy

884
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:41,080
Speaker 1: has told you that I don't want to fight. I

885
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:42,240
Speaker 1: said I don't want to fight.

886
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:43,000
Speaker 3: You know.

887
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:46,160
Speaker 1: So it's a it's it's a very it depends on

888
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:48,080
Speaker 1: what side of the defense. Like, yeah, I take fall

889
00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:51,360
Speaker 1: for accepting the fight. Yeah, and the worst version of

890
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:53,920
Speaker 1: myself showed up throwing this ugly ass cross. I couldn't

891
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:56,279
Speaker 1: get a takedown and this is my timing was off.

892
00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:59,880
Speaker 1: I felt slow, and I was just like, yeah, this

893
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:01,680
Speaker 1: a way. You don't take fights where you don't want

894
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:03,120
Speaker 1: to be in there. You see this happen to a

895
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:06,160
Speaker 1: lot of guys. It's just it's just a bad place

896
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:06,320
Speaker 1: to be.

897
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:08,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, you got to know that you want to be

898
00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:11,439
Speaker 2: inside the octagon if you sign up for the fight,

899
00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:12,800
Speaker 2: they'd say, it's a real problem.

900
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:14,640
Speaker 1: See Timas told me the same thing too, because you

901
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:17,880
Speaker 1: kind of compared it to like Woolly, And it was

902
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:19,319
Speaker 1: like I told one of the same things, like if

903
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:20,719
Speaker 1: you don't want to take if you don't want to

904
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:23,880
Speaker 1: be in there to fight, don't, don't do it. And

905
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:25,520
Speaker 1: I told him, I was like, I'm gonna try to

906
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:28,239
Speaker 1: psych myself up and yeah, in space, but I thought

907
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:30,200
Speaker 1: I was doing it. And then when I got in

908
00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:32,680
Speaker 1: the cage, everything felt like super dreamy and it was like.

909
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:37,920
Speaker 3: I qualification, Ah, well you had you got to do that.

910
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:41,200
Speaker 2: But before all this, like before all of this, you

911
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:49,200
Speaker 2: are a longtime athlete right wrestling Uniondale High School. Who

912
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:52,240
Speaker 2: do you think was the first person as an athlete

913
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:55,120
Speaker 2: that really bought into you? Do you remember who was

914
00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:56,920
Speaker 2: the first person that bought into you as an athlete

915
00:39:56,960 --> 00:39:59,959
Speaker 2: and said, wow, I got this full support and they believe,

916
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:00,400
Speaker 2: didn't you?

917
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:04,919
Speaker 1: I would say Dave Mattana. He's the one that took

918
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:07,480
Speaker 1: me to like all my off season rustling tournaments, pay

919
00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:10,439
Speaker 1: for my food. He would He was probably like twenty

920
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:13,080
Speaker 1: twenty thirty minutes away from me, and he would drive

921
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:15,280
Speaker 1: in the morning come pick me up for those six ams.

922
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:16,719
Speaker 3: So he was driving thirty minutes to get you, to

923
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:17,800
Speaker 3: drive you all the way back.

924
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:18,920
Speaker 1: And drive you to the tournaments.

925
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:21,680
Speaker 3: And then, well, what do you think, what do you

926
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:22,200
Speaker 3: think made him?

927
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:24,160
Speaker 2: What do you think it made him make that investment

928
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:24,680
Speaker 2: in you like that?

929
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:27,600
Speaker 1: I couldnt I couldn't put on my finger. I've even

930
00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:29,920
Speaker 1: I've asked him to this day and I don't. I

931
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:32,960
Speaker 1: couldn't remember exactly what he said, but it was just

932
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:36,040
Speaker 1: kind of like he just felt something that was just

933
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:39,680
Speaker 1: like I could do something, and you know, thankfully I

934
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:41,719
Speaker 1: just had that opportunity. And that's why I do so

935
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:44,800
Speaker 1: much with the coaching, helping the training partners. I'm flying

936
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:46,800
Speaker 1: out a week before my fight to go help corner

937
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:48,640
Speaker 1: guys and then fly back to Boom my fight to

938
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:52,600
Speaker 1: finish cutting weight. So I feel like I've done a

939
00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:55,920
Speaker 1: fair share of helping everybody and paying forward, and that's

940
00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:58,440
Speaker 1: why I continue to do so because of a guy

941
00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:00,920
Speaker 1: like that. Yeah me from a hole in the wall,

942
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:01,920
Speaker 1: Russell the son.

943
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:04,200
Speaker 3: Did you did you? How'd you meet? Did you go

944
00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:05,080
Speaker 3: into a practices.

945
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:09,240
Speaker 1: So the son in the finals national the sectional qualifier

946
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:11,880
Speaker 1: to go to sections, which qualifies you for state. So

947
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:13,480
Speaker 1: I beat him in the qualifying tournament.

948
00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:16,200
Speaker 3: So a man whose son you beat then takes an

949
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:17,399
Speaker 3: interest in you to help you.

950
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:21,160
Speaker 1: And I meet and his son became good friends. We

951
00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:24,160
Speaker 1: both wrestled through in college, trained together some time from

952
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:25,719
Speaker 1: time to time when we came home doing like a

953
00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:29,719
Speaker 1: Christmas Thanksgiving, and we're still friends. He's actually coming to

954
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:32,759
Speaker 1: the wedding, him and his son. So it's is.

955
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:33,799
Speaker 3: This crazy like life?

956
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:35,520
Speaker 1: You just don't know what's going to happen.

957
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:36,160
Speaker 3: No, you don't.

958
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:40,359
Speaker 2: At what point did you realize that wrestling was more

959
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:42,760
Speaker 2: than going to be just a time consumer and a hobby.

960
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:47,760
Speaker 1: After my first profight.

961
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:51,920
Speaker 2: I won, But it wasn't a hobby whenever you were

962
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:54,560
Speaker 2: in high school. No, but you still didn't know that

963
00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:56,960
Speaker 2: it was going to be something that changed your life.

964
00:41:57,800 --> 00:41:58,000
Speaker 3: Yeah.

965
00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:01,040
Speaker 1: I knew it would get me to college. Yeah, almost

966
00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:03,520
Speaker 1: got me a ride, but I just didn't pass the

967
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:06,839
Speaker 1: NCAA clearing house to my grow they don't have anymore. Yeah,

968
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:09,960
Speaker 1: my grades were awful. I wish because I would have

969
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:11,640
Speaker 1: loved to have gone d one, but I didn't have

970
00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:14,200
Speaker 1: the money to pay for it. You got parents that

971
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:17,080
Speaker 1: are street pharmacists, you know. It was like, well my

972
00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:20,719
Speaker 1: dad really, you know, supplying the streets.

973
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:22,879
Speaker 3: No, I know what you're talking about. So you ain't

974
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:24,399
Speaker 3: gotta tell me I'm from the ghetto. Broh.

975
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:24,680
Speaker 2: Yeah.

976
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:25,279
Speaker 3: So it's just that.

977
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:28,120
Speaker 1: And didn't have the grades to get in, so I

978
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:30,480
Speaker 1: was forced to go upstate New York. That's where I

979
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:34,400
Speaker 1: actually went to Morrisville. That's where I actually met John Jones,

980
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:38,279
Speaker 1: and then I transferred from there and then he was

981
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:40,040
Speaker 1: training in high school.

982
00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:41,480
Speaker 2: You in college?

983
00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:44,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, so freshman year I went to Morrisville s John

984
00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:46,759
Speaker 1: was in high school. John was in college where just

985
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:50,120
Speaker 1: a national IOWA was Central, but he ready transferred to

986
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:53,840
Speaker 1: Sunny Morrisville and he wrestled there. He was supposed to

987
00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:55,920
Speaker 1: against You had that one year you had to sit

988
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:57,680
Speaker 1: out kind of a thing. Yes, yes, so we were

989
00:42:57,760 --> 00:43:02,319
Speaker 1: JUCO but uh, he came over. That's where I first

990
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:05,759
Speaker 1: met him. He was like teaching me some stuff, kind

991
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:08,759
Speaker 1: of like almost like mentoring me at the time because

992
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:11,319
Speaker 1: I wasn't really good. He was really good. Like I

993
00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:13,080
Speaker 1: didn't know who he was. People were telling me about him.

994
00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:14,520
Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't I know wrestling, but.

995
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:16,760
Speaker 3: He got recruited everywhere out of college.

996
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:18,879
Speaker 1: Uh so then they were telling me he's a Jugo

997
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:20,839
Speaker 1: national champan, and so why the hell is he here

998
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:26,320
Speaker 1: at this school. Yeah, and then I transferred Sudimore Courtland

999
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:29,239
Speaker 1: and he's trying. I see that he's fighting, doing jiu

1000
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:32,080
Speaker 1: jitsu stuff on his MySpace. I reach out to him

1001
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:34,359
Speaker 1: and he invites me to come down to the gym.

1002
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:37,279
Speaker 1: I asked for the address, and it's five minutes from

1003
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:41,400
Speaker 1: my college campus. And I'm very thankful for that opportunity,

1004
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:46,759
Speaker 1: because me going and get an opportunity to try just

1005
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:48,360
Speaker 1: kind of gave me an opportunity to see if this

1006
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:50,400
Speaker 1: was something I want to do, and I gave it

1007
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:51,960
Speaker 1: a shot and it just happened to work out.

1008
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:57,479
Speaker 2: You said that Uniondale shaped you your city a lot

1009
00:43:57,480 --> 00:44:03,120
Speaker 2: of gain violence, not the ideal situation. You had a

1010
00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:09,080
Speaker 2: lot of siblings and half siblings. Seven siblings, twenty twenty siblings.

1011
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:13,160
Speaker 2: Seven siblings like your actual full blood siblings were seven,

1012
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:18,839
Speaker 2: and you had thirteen half siblings. How in the world

1013
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:19,680
Speaker 2: did that work?

1014
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:21,520
Speaker 1: It was chaotic, man.

1015
00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:23,040
Speaker 2: How many were living in the house.

1016
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:25,680
Speaker 1: I think at the point at one time in terms

1017
00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:28,880
Speaker 1: of I think the kids at most was eleven or twelve.

1018
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:30,520
Speaker 3: Eleven kids living in the house.

1019
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:33,680
Speaker 2: So does your mom have kids before your father or

1020
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:34,840
Speaker 2: does your father have kids?

1021
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:37,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, she has two before my dad, so she has

1022
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:39,839
Speaker 1: ten kids told, but she has eight for my dad.

1023
00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:43,239
Speaker 2: Wow, holding myself, and your dad has ten kids he

1024
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:45,080
Speaker 2: has the other yeah jesus.

1025
00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:48,200
Speaker 1: But then the side that are from my mom's side,

1026
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:50,600
Speaker 1: they're not through my dad. So they're also my siblings,

1027
00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:52,400
Speaker 1: but not through my dad's side.

1028
00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:54,759
Speaker 3: Wait, no, I'm confused. Of course they're not, otherwise you'd

1029
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:55,280
Speaker 3: be cousins.

1030
00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:57,480
Speaker 1: No, no, no, So what I'm saying is the other

1031
00:44:57,560 --> 00:45:00,640
Speaker 1: kids that my mom has, the other two they're from

1032
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:03,160
Speaker 1: two different guys. Oh hell, hell hell, they have no

1033
00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:06,760
Speaker 1: they have no affiliation with my dad. So my dad's

1034
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:08,640
Speaker 1: just kids, and then my mom's just kids, and then

1035
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:10,480
Speaker 1: my dad and my mom's kids.

1036
00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:13,880
Speaker 3: I get it. I understand. Plus twenty kids, I understand.

1037
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:18,440
Speaker 2: So my father had two kids after my mom, my

1038
00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:21,759
Speaker 2: mom had two kids after my dad. So yes, I

1039
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:25,360
Speaker 2: get it. We were five we're seven total, not twenty.

1040
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:26,560
Speaker 2: How many were living in the.

1041
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:29,040
Speaker 1: House, like I think eleven or twelve at a time,

1042
00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:32,280
Speaker 1: twelve kids, I think I know eleven.

1043
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:33,080
Speaker 2: What kind of house are you.

1044
00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:33,640
Speaker 3: Guys living it?

1045
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:39,200
Speaker 1: Uh? My dad was a street pharmacist. It wasn't a

1046
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:41,600
Speaker 1: very big house, but then he did build it up.

1047
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:43,719
Speaker 1: But the way they built it, these guys that he

1048
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:47,439
Speaker 1: used were just not good construction guys. Yeah, so there's

1049
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:49,200
Speaker 1: a lot of jaky shit going on because you try

1050
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:49,960
Speaker 1: to get it for the cheap.

1051
00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:52,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure, very good for sure.

1052
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:55,640
Speaker 1: But we had like six bedrooms and then a basement.

1053
00:45:56,360 --> 00:45:57,440
Speaker 1: That's when he built it up.

1054
00:45:57,640 --> 00:45:59,400
Speaker 3: But the basement is probably why you guys will probably

1055
00:45:59,360 --> 00:45:59,960
Speaker 3: hanging out the most.

1056
00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:02,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then you can fit a lot of kids

1057
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:05,000
Speaker 2: down in the basement. He boxed up just not and

1058
00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:08,760
Speaker 2: not like in terms of stealing them because that sounds horrible.

1059
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:10,120
Speaker 2: You can fit a lot of kids in the basement,

1060
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:12,680
Speaker 2: but like put a whole bunch of air mats down

1061
00:46:12,719 --> 00:46:13,160
Speaker 2: and everything.

1062
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:14,279
Speaker 3: You guys can sleep down there.

1063
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:16,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, but he would box up the room so that

1064
00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:18,400
Speaker 1: everyone kind of had like their own space kind of

1065
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:21,319
Speaker 1: over there. And then some rooms have two beds, yeah,

1066
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:22,399
Speaker 1: the older kids at least.

1067
00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:27,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, you got a really unique relationship with your father, I.

1068
00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:30,399
Speaker 1: Would say, Yeah, unique is a good way to see.

1069
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:33,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, because if you can consider it a relationship, because

1070
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:40,120
Speaker 2: when you are someone's kid, right, especially sons, because I

1071
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:44,799
Speaker 2: remember this means the most to me. My dad went

1072
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:47,040
Speaker 2: to one wrestling match when I was in high school.

1073
00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:49,760
Speaker 2: I never forget it because he went. He was always

1074
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:53,560
Speaker 2: so busy he could never go. You as a kid,

1075
00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:57,480
Speaker 2: you look to your father almost to find strength, right, Yes,

1076
00:46:58,719 --> 00:46:59,480
Speaker 2: you didn't have that.

1077
00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:07,720
Speaker 1: No, we didn't have much fatherly love, I would say.

1078
00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:12,760
Speaker 1: And I get like the running the streets and everything.

1079
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:14,359
Speaker 1: You're paying the bills, but when you're a young kid

1080
00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:16,480
Speaker 1: that you don't really You just think that's something they're

1081
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:20,160
Speaker 1: supposed to do as a parent provide, but you're the

1082
00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:24,520
Speaker 1: one part that you crave as a kid is like

1083
00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:27,719
Speaker 1: some type of relationship with your parents, you know. So

1084
00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:30,440
Speaker 1: growing up I didn't really have that with either of

1085
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:32,440
Speaker 1: my parents. My mom and I were a lot closer,

1086
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:37,919
Speaker 1: but it was never like a real like come here, son,

1087
00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:40,000
Speaker 1: we can talk about certain things. It was never a

1088
00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:41,840
Speaker 1: relationship like that. It was just more like I was

1089
00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:45,279
Speaker 1: like the oldest at the time in our group that

1090
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:48,080
Speaker 1: was actually on my dad's side, and that lived with everybody.

1091
00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:50,320
Speaker 1: So I was responsible for a lot of things. So

1092
00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:52,520
Speaker 1: I was almost treated as an adult really really early,

1093
00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:57,600
Speaker 1: and I guess they kind of forgot that portion where

1094
00:47:57,640 --> 00:48:00,120
Speaker 1: you should kind of develop a relationship with your kids.

1095
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:05,280
Speaker 2: I've seen in past interviews where you said I felt

1096
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:08,160
Speaker 2: like a broken kit and I had no direction. Yes,

1097
00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:10,640
Speaker 2: and you directly attribute to that to your relationship with

1098
00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:13,080
Speaker 2: your dad. Was it because he was absent, he was

1099
00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:15,719
Speaker 2: on the out in the streets and he or just

1100
00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:19,520
Speaker 2: because he didn't provide that that that guidance that kids

1101
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:23,279
Speaker 2: generally look for when they think about a parent or

1102
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:24,120
Speaker 2: a dad at least.

1103
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:26,480
Speaker 3: You know, my son on the wrestling Matt football field

1104
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:30,480
Speaker 3: looks dad dad like he loves having his dad there.

1105
00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:33,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'm open as the one thing I could

1106
00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:37,600
Speaker 1: give my family when we do have one. That's the

1107
00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:40,839
Speaker 1: one thing I said, would make sure I never never

1108
00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:44,160
Speaker 1: keep out all, you know, make sure because it's it's

1109
00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:47,160
Speaker 1: it's an investment. You should want to invest in your

1110
00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:50,200
Speaker 1: kids because they're they're a better version of you, that's

1111
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:53,640
Speaker 1: what you hope for. So with that, like the gang

1112
00:48:53,719 --> 00:48:55,560
Speaker 1: violence and everything, my brother ended up going to jail.

1113
00:48:56,480 --> 00:48:59,120
Speaker 1: I did four years. When I was in college. He

1114
00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:02,120
Speaker 1: was a member of the blood, same thing. Never my

1115
00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:04,400
Speaker 1: dad never around, but anything he wanted, he gave it

1116
00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:07,400
Speaker 1: to him and just just never really there to at

1117
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:09,640
Speaker 1: least from what my point of view, was to actually

1118
00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:13,239
Speaker 1: guide him and teach him things, and so you want that.

1119
00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:19,200
Speaker 1: Not having that for myself, it was just on top

1120
00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:21,799
Speaker 1: of that for to have someone like that who's never

1121
00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:23,560
Speaker 1: really around and then come home and beat the shit

1122
00:49:23,600 --> 00:49:27,480
Speaker 1: out of you. You was just like, you're just like

1123
00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:29,759
Speaker 1: you almost feel like you could never do anything right.

1124
00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:34,399
Speaker 1: And then when they would verbally abuse you, just call

1125
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:37,239
Speaker 1: you stupid for everything, call you a dunce cup. We

1126
00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:40,279
Speaker 1: would say said, well, yeah, yeah, dunce cup, yeah, dunce cup.

1127
00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:43,440
Speaker 2: He said, he said it made me. It's just like

1128
00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:45,719
Speaker 2: your dad would say that to you, all of us.

1129
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:48,720
Speaker 2: You said it made you feel small right all the time.

1130
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:50,440
Speaker 2: Why because you were the oldest.

1131
00:49:51,160 --> 00:49:54,759
Speaker 1: I don't know. He would call me a mama's boy,

1132
00:49:54,840 --> 00:49:58,239
Speaker 1: and I'm just like, I don't understand why you don't

1133
00:49:58,320 --> 00:50:01,200
Speaker 1: like me. What I want you to do is like me.

1134
00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:06,359
Speaker 2: Did he see maybe you as a better version of him,

1135
00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:09,600
Speaker 2: and maybe it became like a little bit of an

1136
00:50:09,719 --> 00:50:13,640
Speaker 2: envious relationship When you look back on it as an adult, no, maybe.

1137
00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:15,680
Speaker 1: At this age, when I was in high school.

1138
00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:17,920
Speaker 2: You couldn't understand it. I get it, but you're doing

1139
00:50:18,040 --> 00:50:21,279
Speaker 2: things that are very positive. He's still doing what he's doing.

1140
00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:24,839
Speaker 2: You think maybe that was a little envy in the relationship.

1141
00:50:25,040 --> 00:50:27,759
Speaker 1: I wasn't a straight a student at the time, so

1142
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:29,799
Speaker 1: this was not like I was killing it in a

1143
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:32,799
Speaker 1: way that was different from him. He would always call

1144
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:35,040
Speaker 1: me to look him on, which was like his way,

1145
00:50:35,080 --> 00:50:37,680
Speaker 1: I guess of kind of giving me praise because I

1146
00:50:37,719 --> 00:50:39,960
Speaker 1: would be the guy who'd have to take responsibility for

1147
00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:41,759
Speaker 1: a lot of things. When these guys were gone. I

1148
00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:43,360
Speaker 1: was in the house alone with just me and my

1149
00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:46,200
Speaker 1: sister and my younger brother and then my other little

1150
00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:48,360
Speaker 1: sister who was then born, and we were just living together.

1151
00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:50,799
Speaker 1: They'll leave, you don't answer the phone, you don't touch

1152
00:50:50,840 --> 00:50:53,480
Speaker 1: the door, and whenever someone comes knocking, they call it.

1153
00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:56,799
Speaker 1: I was the guy, the one that your little ones

1154
00:50:56,840 --> 00:50:59,319
Speaker 1: want to try to answer it, like, no, do you

1155
00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:01,480
Speaker 1: hear what they said? You don't do it. So they

1156
00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:03,360
Speaker 1: always looked at me as the little man because I

1157
00:51:03,719 --> 00:51:07,480
Speaker 1: was always propped and left with the responsibility of just

1158
00:51:07,520 --> 00:51:09,920
Speaker 1: being an adult sewer, and I probably needed to be

1159
00:51:10,040 --> 00:51:11,759
Speaker 1: well it's not a bad thing. And I think it's

1160
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:14,439
Speaker 1: that's why I made you grow, made grow up, why

1161
00:51:15,080 --> 00:51:17,160
Speaker 1: I feel the way I do with the world today.

1162
00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:20,960
Speaker 1: But I also is why I'm so kind of I

1163
00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:25,160
Speaker 1: guess callous in showing emotion, and why I probably I

1164
00:51:25,239 --> 00:51:27,000
Speaker 1: joke around so much because it just it just makes

1165
00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:27,919
Speaker 1: it easier to not.

1166
00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:30,479
Speaker 3: You're trying to shield yourself from the hurt.

1167
00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:33,920
Speaker 1: I guess, I guess so to speak, he would have like,

1168
00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:36,080
Speaker 1: I don't look people in the eyes as much as

1169
00:51:36,120 --> 00:51:39,279
Speaker 1: I should. And it's because of him. Why whenever something

1170
00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:40,920
Speaker 1: would happen and he would close to the room where

1171
00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:42,920
Speaker 1: you're ready to whoop our ass and ask him us

1172
00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:45,160
Speaker 1: what happened, and if you looked him in the face,

1173
00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:49,040
Speaker 1: he said, he as we say, cut to my box,

1174
00:51:49,560 --> 00:51:53,000
Speaker 1: slapped the shit out of your backhand or beforehand. And

1175
00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:55,520
Speaker 1: then he said, don't look for me in on the fis.

1176
00:51:56,200 --> 00:51:58,239
Speaker 2: And I'm just like, but that is one thing we

1177
00:51:58,360 --> 00:52:01,279
Speaker 2: learn as men to look to rec in a person's eye,

1178
00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:02,440
Speaker 2: to show respect.

1179
00:52:02,640 --> 00:52:07,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, So imagine having that pretty much your whole childhood

1180
00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:10,080
Speaker 1: and then even as a young adolescent in high school

1181
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:14,000
Speaker 1: ninth tenth, eleventh senior year was the last time he

1182
00:52:14,040 --> 00:52:14,799
Speaker 1: put his hands on.

1183
00:52:14,760 --> 00:52:16,240
Speaker 2: Me, or what happened.

1184
00:52:17,080 --> 00:52:21,120
Speaker 1: He took a cable cord. He taped it up, well,

1185
00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:24,400
Speaker 1: first he took it, he doubled it. He rolled the

1186
00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:27,640
Speaker 1: bottom handle into He taped it up, then rolled the

1187
00:52:27,640 --> 00:52:33,600
Speaker 1: bottom handle into like a grip long cable cord, double thick.

1188
00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:38,719
Speaker 1: My brother opened his cases of red Bull, the one

1189
00:52:38,760 --> 00:52:42,120
Speaker 1: that's the gang throw it would be babies now in

1190
00:52:42,239 --> 00:52:47,759
Speaker 1: jail again, he drinks the red bull, opens the case

1191
00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:50,879
Speaker 1: that we were told not to touch. I take one

1192
00:52:51,680 --> 00:52:54,400
Speaker 1: because the good son that he never punishes, I not

1193
00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:57,440
Speaker 1: that's going to happen if he did it. I take one. Somehow,

1194
00:52:58,080 --> 00:53:02,399
Speaker 1: I am the one that gets crushed with this thing,

1195
00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:04,839
Speaker 1: welts on my back, hits me with one on my head.

1196
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:06,760
Speaker 1: I heard a ring, and I still feel like sometimes

1197
00:53:06,760 --> 00:53:09,320
Speaker 1: my earrings a little wild Joe on this side because

1198
00:53:09,320 --> 00:53:12,640
Speaker 1: he just and my mom told him. My mom I

1199
00:53:12,680 --> 00:53:14,719
Speaker 1: remember her telling me because I heard her screaming like

1200
00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:17,520
Speaker 1: why the fuck would you? Why would you do that

1201
00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:17,839
Speaker 1: to him?

1202
00:53:18,719 --> 00:53:21,319
Speaker 3: And it was just always me, could she protect you

1203
00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:21,960
Speaker 3: or no?

1204
00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:27,160
Speaker 1: She got it too. Really yeah, so imagine sometimes I

1205
00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:30,399
Speaker 1: want to just fucking you know, but you.

1206
00:53:30,440 --> 00:53:33,400
Speaker 2: Never you never you never did him anything.

1207
00:53:33,160 --> 00:53:36,840
Speaker 1: As you're just not big enough until I got older,

1208
00:53:37,239 --> 00:53:40,719
Speaker 1: and then when that incident happened, I didentified back to

1209
00:53:40,760 --> 00:53:45,120
Speaker 1: like the very end, and I was like grab him.

1210
00:53:46,560 --> 00:53:49,239
Speaker 1: I pretty much. I left the house afterwards, and I

1211
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:52,680
Speaker 1: told him like, don't ever, don't ever put your hands

1212
00:53:52,680 --> 00:53:56,360
Speaker 1: on me again, Like this is just not one of

1213
00:53:56,440 --> 00:53:58,920
Speaker 1: us is going to have to go Wow, this is

1214
00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:00,880
Speaker 1: like it gets to a point where like enough is

1215
00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:03,839
Speaker 1: kind of enough. And even now I try to make

1216
00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:05,640
Speaker 1: amends with him, but that's a whole another story. I

1217
00:54:05,640 --> 00:54:06,680
Speaker 1: wanted to get into that, but.

1218
00:54:08,520 --> 00:54:09,719
Speaker 3: It's hard to forgive that.

1219
00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:12,480
Speaker 1: I just don't talk to him. Yeah, he's just very

1220
00:54:12,560 --> 00:54:16,440
Speaker 1: stuck in his ways. He's stubborn, he's selfish, he's conniving,

1221
00:54:16,719 --> 00:54:18,520
Speaker 1: and he's two faces.

1222
00:54:18,560 --> 00:54:20,640
Speaker 2: But even as the world champion, did he not try

1223
00:54:20,680 --> 00:54:22,200
Speaker 2: to work his way back into your life.

1224
00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:25,240
Speaker 1: No, but he tried. He's trying to take my money.

1225
00:54:25,600 --> 00:54:28,279
Speaker 1: How do child support through my mom?

1226
00:54:29,200 --> 00:54:31,200
Speaker 2: How in the world could he get your money.

1227
00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:34,120
Speaker 1: Because he knows my mom doesn't work, it's not making money.

1228
00:54:34,280 --> 00:54:36,279
Speaker 1: He knows I will eventually have.

1229
00:54:36,239 --> 00:54:39,319
Speaker 2: To pay because he takes it from your mother. Yeah,

1230
00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:41,160
Speaker 2: so's putting your mom on child support.

1231
00:54:41,480 --> 00:54:43,759
Speaker 1: My mom is on child support to pay him. Yeah,

1232
00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:48,000
Speaker 1: now the child support is uh, my sisters who are

1233
00:54:48,040 --> 00:54:50,279
Speaker 1: just turned twenty one, have been paying him. They've been

1234
00:54:50,320 --> 00:54:52,240
Speaker 1: working for the last three years. They've been paying him

1235
00:54:52,560 --> 00:54:56,080
Speaker 1: three seventy five a month, and he knows that the

1236
00:54:56,120 --> 00:54:57,920
Speaker 1: money's coming from them, and he still takes it.

1237
00:54:58,160 --> 00:54:59,040
Speaker 3: That's unbelievable.

1238
00:54:59,040 --> 00:55:00,799
Speaker 1: Even they teld him like, you know, this is our money,

1239
00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:03,719
Speaker 1: and he still takes it. And then their arrears are

1240
00:55:03,719 --> 00:55:06,960
Speaker 1: like fifty four thousand dollars, but he only gets fifty

1241
00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:10,279
Speaker 1: dollars a month. So he's like trying to go to

1242
00:55:10,280 --> 00:55:12,680
Speaker 1: the court to get that raise again so that he

1243
00:55:12,719 --> 00:55:14,480
Speaker 1: could get more money. But he's just so he took

1244
00:55:14,520 --> 00:55:15,360
Speaker 1: something from me.

1245
00:55:15,680 --> 00:55:19,920
Speaker 2: So he took the attitude of the street right, the hustling,

1246
00:55:20,360 --> 00:55:22,440
Speaker 2: and now he's applying it to life because he's probably

1247
00:55:22,440 --> 00:55:24,520
Speaker 2: too old to be able to hustle in the streets anymore.

1248
00:55:24,719 --> 00:55:27,840
Speaker 1: I think Simples doesn't want to do it, because I

1249
00:55:27,840 --> 00:55:29,360
Speaker 1: got other thoughts on that, but I just think he

1250
00:55:29,400 --> 00:55:30,600
Speaker 1: doesn't want to do it anymore.

1251
00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:36,080
Speaker 2: Al Joe, when do you think you started to break

1252
00:55:36,120 --> 00:55:39,719
Speaker 2: free from those experiences and how did those experience with

1253
00:55:39,760 --> 00:55:43,880
Speaker 2: your dad shape into who you are today. Uh.

1254
00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:49,680
Speaker 1: I would wrestle with anger and wrestling is it was

1255
00:55:49,760 --> 00:55:51,920
Speaker 1: my outlet. I would wrestle with anger. Was it was

1256
00:55:52,239 --> 00:55:54,440
Speaker 1: it therapy? Was it therapeutic to be on the wrestling

1257
00:55:54,440 --> 00:55:58,440
Speaker 1: mat therapeutic to be in the wrestling room fighting, just scrapping,

1258
00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:02,360
Speaker 1: just be able to just feel like you can actually

1259
00:56:02,360 --> 00:56:04,640
Speaker 1: compete and do something and kind of stand up for

1260
00:56:04,680 --> 00:56:08,080
Speaker 1: yourself for something at least. You know, you see your

1261
00:56:08,120 --> 00:56:10,839
Speaker 1: dad beating down your mom and hitting her. You can't

1262
00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:15,480
Speaker 1: do anything. You're just a little boy constantly being smacked

1263
00:56:15,480 --> 00:56:19,120
Speaker 1: and talk down to you. Just so that was my

1264
00:56:19,160 --> 00:56:23,319
Speaker 1: outlet and then that was my therapy. And whenever I

1265
00:56:23,320 --> 00:56:26,560
Speaker 1: would wrestle in matches, I was just always trying to

1266
00:56:26,640 --> 00:56:28,760
Speaker 1: just kind of hurt kids.

1267
00:56:29,120 --> 00:56:30,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I would be.

1268
00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:35,000
Speaker 1: Thinking about him, Yeah, just like the stuff that he

1269
00:56:35,080 --> 00:56:37,040
Speaker 1: was saying now and much just to myself and then

1270
00:56:37,600 --> 00:56:39,000
Speaker 1: like just feel me up.

1271
00:56:39,040 --> 00:56:43,160
Speaker 2: So you carried that into the gym with you. He

1272
00:56:43,239 --> 00:56:47,319
Speaker 2: made a horrible impact on what in our adolescent years.

1273
00:56:47,520 --> 00:56:49,760
Speaker 2: Those are the most important years for young men, especially

1274
00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:52,680
Speaker 2: young black men, to develop to try to be great

1275
00:56:53,080 --> 00:56:57,000
Speaker 2: in society and to not have that that guidance is

1276
00:56:57,120 --> 00:56:58,040
Speaker 2: very unfortunate.

1277
00:56:58,480 --> 00:56:59,520
Speaker 3: And when you think.

1278
00:56:59,360 --> 00:57:03,600
Speaker 2: Back to that, right, what would you tell that young

1279
00:57:03,680 --> 00:57:07,040
Speaker 2: al Jamaine Sterling if you had to go back today

1280
00:57:07,760 --> 00:57:10,160
Speaker 2: and look at that kid right that got hit with

1281
00:57:10,200 --> 00:57:13,839
Speaker 2: that thing in Uniondale and he say obviously telling him

1282
00:57:13,840 --> 00:57:16,640
Speaker 2: it's gonna be all right, like it's actually gonna be okay.

1283
00:57:16,960 --> 00:57:18,200
Speaker 3: I know it's dark now, but.

1284
00:57:18,640 --> 00:57:20,560
Speaker 2: If you had to walk that kid through all those

1285
00:57:20,680 --> 00:57:24,080
Speaker 2: those those dark, vicious moments, like, what would you say

1286
00:57:24,120 --> 00:57:26,560
Speaker 2: to that kid? Uh?

1287
00:57:27,560 --> 00:57:29,920
Speaker 1: Maybe something similar to what my mom told me. This

1288
00:57:29,960 --> 00:57:31,800
Speaker 1: is one thing I would never forget. And I give

1289
00:57:31,800 --> 00:57:35,200
Speaker 1: her a praise for this because I didn't realize it

1290
00:57:35,280 --> 00:57:37,080
Speaker 1: until I got older and I look back on it

1291
00:57:37,120 --> 00:57:39,920
Speaker 1: and now I'm like, ah, it's kind of crazy how

1292
00:57:39,960 --> 00:57:42,640
Speaker 1: everything has kind of comfortull circle. And I think it

1293
00:57:42,680 --> 00:57:46,080
Speaker 1: was after he kind of beat her up or beat

1294
00:57:46,120 --> 00:57:48,760
Speaker 1: the crap out of me, some of one of us,

1295
00:57:49,480 --> 00:57:52,400
Speaker 1: and then I was crying, and I remember my mom saying,

1296
00:57:54,040 --> 00:57:55,880
Speaker 1: don't worry. One day you're gonna grow and you're gonna

1297
00:57:55,880 --> 00:57:57,680
Speaker 1: be big and strong. You're gonna become a big man,

1298
00:57:57,720 --> 00:58:00,640
Speaker 1: and you're gonna be able to do anything that you want.

1299
00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:04,520
Speaker 2: And tell you that to uh, that kid, that's crazy

1300
00:58:04,560 --> 00:58:07,800
Speaker 2: man because he did. He became a world champion, right,

1301
00:58:08,680 --> 00:58:11,640
Speaker 2: even in those dark times with the fans and all that,

1302
00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:13,120
Speaker 2: it could never have been that.

1303
00:58:13,600 --> 00:58:13,760
Speaker 3: Right.

1304
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Speaker 2: So, even all those horrible experiences, they form us into

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00:58:17,760 --> 00:58:21,240
Speaker 2: being who we are as people. Because I had a

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00:58:21,280 --> 00:58:24,800
Speaker 2: lot of dark moments myself, and I always use them

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Speaker 2: to propel me forward.

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Speaker 3: Right, And it feels like.

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Speaker 2: You're gonna do the same thing, because those horrible experiences

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00:58:36,840 --> 00:58:39,920
Speaker 2: they turn us into who we are. But when you

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00:58:39,960 --> 00:58:45,120
Speaker 2: take those lessons, right, when you look at what you

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00:58:45,320 --> 00:58:49,080
Speaker 2: dealt with and all your family and your friends, are you,

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00:58:49,080 --> 00:58:50,480
Speaker 2: your family and your siblings?

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Speaker 3: How do you be? How do you? How are you?

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00:58:55,840 --> 00:58:59,160
Speaker 3: How can you be different? How can you ensure that

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00:58:59,200 --> 00:59:03,520
Speaker 3: to your beautiful fiance, into your unborn children that you're

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00:59:03,560 --> 00:59:08,320
Speaker 3: not only better than your dad, but you're one of

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00:59:08,320 --> 00:59:11,360
Speaker 3: the best fathers walking the earth? Mean, you have the

1319
00:59:11,440 --> 00:59:14,760
Speaker 3: example of what not to be. How can you be better?

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00:59:14,960 --> 00:59:16,360
Speaker 3: A better father, better husband?

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Speaker 1: Just being present? I just don't think it's I don't

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00:59:21,200 --> 00:59:23,640
Speaker 1: think what I wanted, or what any of us wanted

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Speaker 1: from him.

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00:59:24,120 --> 00:59:26,280
Speaker 2: Was very Why did you still want that? If he

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00:59:26,480 --> 00:59:29,040
Speaker 2: was like, if it was bad, why do you think

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00:59:29,040 --> 00:59:31,000
Speaker 2: he still longed for that love.

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Speaker 3: Try not to get emotional. But that's all good, I

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Speaker 3: would say.

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Speaker 1: I would say a kid who just wants to I

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01:00:04,200 --> 01:00:08,800
Speaker 1: just feel like like the kid is good enough, you know. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: And even just having close on some some explanation on

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Speaker 1: how he was and why he was the way that

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Speaker 1: he was, And then even talking to my younger brother,

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Speaker 1: he told me that my dad randomly just told him

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Speaker 1: his parents never beat him.

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Speaker 3: Really, so it's just this wasn't a learned behavior.

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01:00:31,800 --> 01:00:35,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's but you know, we learned this later on,

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01:00:37,720 --> 01:00:40,280
Speaker 1: and I just I would just want to know, why

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01:00:40,360 --> 01:00:42,720
Speaker 1: did you treat us the way that you did? And uh,

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01:00:44,720 --> 01:00:47,000
Speaker 1: we don't have to have a relationship, I guess I

1341
01:00:47,040 --> 01:00:49,040
Speaker 1: always just want to closure. My mom always said, you're

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01:00:49,040 --> 01:00:52,400
Speaker 1: too nice. You always extend olive branch. I'm like, it's like,

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01:00:52,400 --> 01:00:53,800
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, he's still my dad.

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01:00:54,760 --> 01:00:57,240
Speaker 1: It's like, you know, I'm never gonna wish ill on him,

1345
01:00:57,320 --> 01:00:59,960
Speaker 1: but I'm never gonna be like, I'm not gonna go

1346
01:01:00,080 --> 01:01:03,040
Speaker 1: out of my way to to do anything for the

1347
01:01:03,080 --> 01:01:03,600
Speaker 1: guy anymore.

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Speaker 2: Al Joe, I can feel the pain of it, and

1349
01:01:09,320 --> 01:01:13,040
Speaker 2: it's hard, but how you turn that pain in the purpose.

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01:01:14,880 --> 01:01:17,880
Speaker 1: Just trying to be better. I still have a lot

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01:01:17,920 --> 01:01:23,560
Speaker 1: of his Uh, still have his blood. Yeah, it's trying

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01:01:23,600 --> 01:01:28,000
Speaker 1: to be a better person, do things better, contribute to

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01:01:28,080 --> 01:01:33,640
Speaker 1: society a better way, help pull people up where I can. Yeah,

1354
01:01:34,400 --> 01:01:37,680
Speaker 1: and uh, that's all I can really try to do.

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01:01:38,040 --> 01:01:42,040
Speaker 1: You know, nobody can tell me how I feel and

1356
01:01:44,840 --> 01:01:47,520
Speaker 1: put themselves in the same situation that I've been in

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01:01:47,600 --> 01:01:51,200
Speaker 1: and experienced. So I'm sure other people have gotten asked

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01:01:51,360 --> 01:01:54,600
Speaker 1: by their parents too, But you know, the I guess

1359
01:01:54,640 --> 01:01:57,040
Speaker 1: the trauma you kind of take with it is just

1360
01:01:57,120 --> 01:01:58,040
Speaker 1: different from person.

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01:01:57,840 --> 01:02:00,240
Speaker 3: To person, and it's absolutely different. Yeah.

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01:02:00,280 --> 01:02:03,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, you never know how you take that stuff. And

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01:02:03,400 --> 01:02:05,040
Speaker 2: it takes a strong man to sit here and talk

1364
01:02:05,080 --> 01:02:07,800
Speaker 2: about this like most can't do what you do and

1365
01:02:07,920 --> 01:02:13,280
Speaker 2: open the open your your emotions and your your life

1366
01:02:13,320 --> 01:02:16,160
Speaker 2: to people as you have over the last hour. And

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01:02:17,000 --> 01:02:20,240
Speaker 2: I hope people can understand and respect and get to

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01:02:20,360 --> 01:02:23,880
Speaker 2: know al Jamaine Sterling a little better because I feel

1369
01:02:23,920 --> 01:02:26,560
Speaker 2: like right now I learned so much about you, about

1370
01:02:26,600 --> 01:02:30,480
Speaker 2: your mentality, about your thoughts about your life. I thought

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01:02:30,560 --> 01:02:34,120
Speaker 2: this was very good for me, and it makes me

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01:02:34,280 --> 01:02:38,400
Speaker 2: wonder right with this and with other things that you've done,

1373
01:02:39,360 --> 01:02:41,760
Speaker 2: when the door is closed, right, because at thirty six

1374
01:02:42,360 --> 01:02:44,120
Speaker 2: it starts to get towards the end of the career

1375
01:02:44,600 --> 01:02:48,640
Speaker 2: for everyone when the door closes on him. What do

1376
01:02:48,720 --> 01:02:50,880
Speaker 2: you want people to say about al Jamain Sterling.

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01:02:52,600 --> 01:02:56,680
Speaker 1: Years and years from now, Just that this guy never

1378
01:02:56,800 --> 01:03:01,920
Speaker 1: turned it down any fight, always a gamer, called the

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01:03:02,000 --> 01:03:06,560
Speaker 1: toughest opponents, called out the toughest opponents, And even if

1380
01:03:06,600 --> 01:03:08,959
Speaker 1: I came, I'm sure I always gave it my best,

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01:03:09,480 --> 01:03:12,439
Speaker 1: and I think at the end of the day, that's

1382
01:03:12,480 --> 01:03:14,640
Speaker 1: all I want people to do. Like life is hard.

1383
01:03:15,400 --> 01:03:17,840
Speaker 1: Life is hard, and even when you're successful, it's still hard,

1384
01:03:18,480 --> 01:03:20,760
Speaker 1: even dealing with this stuff that I have in the

1385
01:03:20,840 --> 01:03:25,960
Speaker 1: backsenes that people don't know about. But you don't give up.

1386
01:03:26,040 --> 01:03:30,880
Speaker 1: You just keep fighting and do the best that you can. Yeah,

1387
01:03:32,680 --> 01:03:35,840
Speaker 1: I'm not the most talented or most gifted athlete, but

1388
01:03:36,000 --> 01:03:40,360
Speaker 1: I've made the most out of it. And that's really

1389
01:03:40,480 --> 01:03:41,200
Speaker 1: just do hard work.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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01:03:41,680 --> 01:03:45,360
Speaker 1: I didn't get any handouts coming up, and they have

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01:03:46,000 --> 01:03:48,560
Speaker 1: super support, like some people have both parents that are

1393
01:03:48,640 --> 01:03:50,920
Speaker 1: able to take them around and give them that development

1394
01:03:50,960 --> 01:03:54,080
Speaker 1: early and things like that. I've come from never feeling

1395
01:03:55,080 --> 01:03:59,600
Speaker 1: good enough to do anything to finally becoming the best.

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Speaker 3: Of the world.

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01:04:00,440 --> 01:04:01,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that for me is like.

1398
01:04:03,640 --> 01:04:04,439
Speaker 3: The American dream.

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01:04:05,520 --> 01:04:08,919
Speaker 1: It fulfills my I feel like if it we're over today,

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01:04:09,080 --> 01:04:13,600
Speaker 1: like I'm I feel fulfilled. And I just hope people

1401
01:04:13,720 --> 01:04:16,160
Speaker 1: understand that I always gave my best with each walk

1402
01:04:16,200 --> 01:04:16,960
Speaker 1: that I make through the yard.

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01:04:17,160 --> 01:04:21,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, last thing outside of fighting, what's the next moment

1404
01:04:21,840 --> 01:04:23,320
Speaker 2: in the last moment you want to climb?

1405
01:04:23,920 --> 01:04:24,480
Speaker 3: Fatherhood?

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01:04:26,880 --> 01:04:29,840
Speaker 1: Well, scaling the company? The phone call for one company

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01:04:29,920 --> 01:04:31,840
Speaker 1: which I mentioned I'm the founder of.

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01:04:32,440 --> 01:04:33,440
Speaker 3: You do real estate too.

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01:04:33,920 --> 01:04:36,440
Speaker 1: I do real estate, but more passively these days, not

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01:04:36,600 --> 01:04:42,160
Speaker 1: flipping like I was before. Maybe a little acting again.

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01:04:42,400 --> 01:04:44,400
Speaker 1: Like I got that movie that we're working on. Hopefully

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01:04:45,160 --> 01:04:47,600
Speaker 1: nothing changes and I'm still in it to go out

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01:04:47,720 --> 01:04:50,680
Speaker 1: next uh this weekend for a fitting, So hopefully that

1414
01:04:50,800 --> 01:04:53,120
Speaker 1: all goes well. And that will be my third movie

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01:04:53,160 --> 01:04:55,840
Speaker 1: that I've done to date. That's actually will be coming

1416
01:04:55,880 --> 01:05:01,840
Speaker 1: out and becoming a father, yeah, getting married and becoming

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01:05:01,880 --> 01:05:03,080
Speaker 1: a husband and becoming a fallic.

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01:05:03,240 --> 01:05:03,439
Speaker 3: Yeah.

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01:05:03,640 --> 01:05:05,320
Speaker 1: I know some people say, what about the other part?

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01:05:05,440 --> 01:05:09,120
Speaker 3: So yeah, that's amazing. Well you've done well. Man. I'm

1421
01:05:09,160 --> 01:05:11,320
Speaker 3: proud of you and everything you've done. Man, you have

1422
01:05:11,400 --> 01:05:12,680
Speaker 3: been uh.

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01:05:14,360 --> 01:05:18,280
Speaker 2: Looking back now after hearing everything, it's been it's inspirational.

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01:05:18,600 --> 01:05:20,640
Speaker 2: It was always inspirational to watch you. I've seen you

1425
01:05:20,720 --> 01:05:22,800
Speaker 2: in some of the darkest times of your life to

1426
01:05:22,960 --> 01:05:25,080
Speaker 2: some of the most shining moments of your life, and

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01:05:25,080 --> 01:05:28,120
Speaker 2: they've always been tremendous to be a part of. From

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01:05:28,160 --> 01:05:30,680
Speaker 2: the Sideline, But now that I know your story much

1429
01:05:30,720 --> 01:05:36,560
Speaker 2: more in depth, uh, I only wish even more uh greatness.

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01:05:36,200 --> 01:05:37,720
Speaker 3: For you in the future.

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01:05:37,800 --> 01:05:39,000
Speaker 1: So I appreciate it.

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01:05:39,320 --> 01:05:41,040
Speaker 2: You know, man, I would never want to start this

1433
01:05:41,160 --> 01:05:44,320
Speaker 2: with anyone like al Jamine Sterling. Guys, for al Jamine Sterling,

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01:05:44,400 --> 01:05:47,040
Speaker 2: Daniel Cormier, this was the Daniel Cormier Show. Thank you

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Speaker 2: guys for watching Peace