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Speaker 1: former NFL scout with the Philadelphia Eagles. He's got a
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Speaker 1: down a lot of stuff today. Even one of the
Speaker 1: Saturday games, we spent about almost fifteen minutes, twelve minutes
Speaker 1: on the Lions big win, what to expect from them
Speaker 1: going forward, and Sean Payton and Russell Wilson's blow up
Speaker 1: in the sideline. One guy doing the blown up Sean Payton.
Speaker 1: But we'll start with the Cowboys getting destroyed by the
Speaker 1: Bills in a couple of minutes. But you know, my
Speaker 1: takeaway as we watch this Sunday is there are teams
Speaker 1: in this league. You know, if you have a bad CEO,
Speaker 1: the business gets worse over time. You saw that with
Speaker 1: Brandon Staley and the Chargers. They got worse every week.
Speaker 1: They opened the season nearly beating Miami looked really interesting,
Speaker 1: and then a poorly run business gets bet Washington. The
Speaker 1: Commanders with Ron Rivera, they were a viable team seven
Speaker 1: weeks ago. They just get worse. It feels like every
Speaker 1: week you can see some of these defensive coaches they
Speaker 1: feel Jurassic. They're out of touch.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: Meanwhile, you've got Shane Steichen taking Gardner Minshew and beating
Speaker 1: the Steelers. You've got Sean McVay. I think Sean McVay
Speaker 1: right now, week to week is doing the best job
Speaker 1: of coaching in the entire league. Really outplayed the Commanders
Speaker 1: from the very beginning, and you just saw a classic, young, smart,
Speaker 1: progressive offensive head coach just getting better offensively every week.
Speaker 1: It's amazing. He takes a rookie Puka Nakua, he takes
Speaker 1: Kyron Williams, who's now like the third best offensive player
Speaker 1: in the league behind Tyreek Hill and Christian McCaffrey. Folks,
Speaker 1: that's coaching. Coaching is getting the most out of your players.
Speaker 1: And here in Los Angeles, nobody got less than Brandon Staley,
Speaker 1: and nobody gets more than Sean McVay. The job he
Speaker 1: has done this year is absolutely remarkable. He is squeezing
Speaker 1: every ounce out of a defense that's Aaron Donald and
Speaker 1: kids and an offense which is guys mostly Stafford Cup,
Speaker 1: Tyler Higbee, probably Rob Havenstein didn't play today, the right
Speaker 1: tackle a little bit out of their prime, and then
Speaker 1: kids Kyron Williams and Puka Nakua. It is a marvel
Speaker 1: to watch the Rams play. And I know I live
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Speaker 1: This team was picked to win five games in Vegas
Speaker 1: and they have an opportunity to win ten, and you
Speaker 1: look at their schedule. I'm just sitting there watching that
Speaker 1: Rams game today against the Commanders, and I thought, that
Speaker 1: is the difference in the National Football League offensive coaches
Speaker 1: and defensive coaches, the ability to take young players on
Speaker 1: the offensive side. Sam Howe very good early, a mess quarterback,
Speaker 1: a kid for Washington. Why got a defensive culture with
Speaker 1: Ron Rivera. Meanwhile Puka Nakua the running back. They have
Speaker 1: young guys all over the offensive line. That's the league.
Speaker 1: And so if I had to vote coach of the year,
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Speaker 1: All right, everybody, welcome in. It's the Colin Coward Podcast.
Speaker 1: You know who I am. I hope by this point
Speaker 1: in my life. And this is John Middlecoff Three and
Speaker 1: Out podcast at the volume you see them all the
Speaker 1: time on our digital stuff, the Twitter accounts and a
Speaker 1: former NFL scout. We start with the obvious one. I
Speaker 1: did like Buffalo to win. I do think this this
Speaker 1: league week to week. It depends on the spot you're in.
Speaker 1: I think San Francisco is unique in where they're bad
Speaker 1: game is still good enough, you know, to go to
Speaker 1: Clee and almost win if they hit field goals. But
Speaker 1: most of the teams in this league have just bad Sundays.
Speaker 1: They're off a big win, they're you know, they're This
Speaker 1: was a spot for Buffalo. James Cook now is becoming
Speaker 1: a real part of this offense.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: All of a sudden, Dallas on the road falls behind.
Speaker 1: Dak's not the same quarterback behind. Are you surprised, however?
Speaker 1: How the Bills ran the ball on the Dallas defense.
Speaker 1: It was I don't remember seeing the Dallas defense run
Speaker 1: defense that poor for a couple of years.
Speaker 2: To me. One thing that Dallas over the last month,
Speaker 2: why a lot of us have been buying in is
Speaker 2: because of their physicality, Like just their overall toughness, and
Speaker 2: today Buffalo kicked their ass. I mean that goack on
Speaker 2: was a beatdown. And I think I said last week
Speaker 2: when we watched Buffalo pull that crazy game out against
Speaker 2: Kansas City, it's hard to take them seriously when all
Speaker 2: their games were like that. They were like the better
Speaker 2: version of the Chargers. They just found a way to
Speaker 2: win some of them. But today you gotta give them
Speaker 2: their ceiling. I mean, they have a couple wins this
Speaker 2: year that Miami win early in the season. Miami's pretty good.
Speaker 2: That game against Dallas today, like their ceiling is pretty high.
Speaker 2: When they're on obviously playing at home, the division is
Speaker 2: still open, like the division is not set. Miami schedule
Speaker 2: is very hard. They play Dallas, they play the Ravens,
Speaker 2: then they finished with Buffalo. You look at buffalo schedule,
Speaker 2: at the Chargers, who mailed that thing in the Pats,
Speaker 2: and then they finished, like we said, with Miami. Listen,
Speaker 2: they've kind of reeled me back in because today it
Speaker 2: was as much about Josh Allen just going Lebron James
Speaker 2: or Steph Curry. It was more the defense annihilated McCarthy's offense,
Speaker 2: and like you said, the run game, what has Buffalo
Speaker 2: always lacked. It's they've never had a running back beside Josh. Well,
Speaker 2: if you can get a guy, you don't need him
Speaker 2: to get one hundred and eighty yards every game. But
Speaker 2: if you can rely on an individual to be one
Speaker 2: hundred yard a game guy in cold weather games, hard
Speaker 2: not to like Buffalo and look at him a little
Speaker 2: differently after the last sixty minutes.
Speaker 1: Right right. You know, I was thinking about the Steeler
Speaker 1: teams with Tomlin when Ben was in his prime. Is
Speaker 1: that and they had like, you know, a lavian bell,
Speaker 1: And that's what Buffalo reminds me of. They didn't win,
Speaker 1: you know, they got a Super Bowl, no question, a
Speaker 1: couple with Ben. But this is what Buffalo reminds me.
Speaker 1: A defensive coach, a defensive culture with a star quarterback
Speaker 1: that's about seventy percent of the offense. And they when
Speaker 1: they had the star running back kind of in his
Speaker 1: prime as an energy, a twitchy, energy player. There's always
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh always had a star receiver on the outside. They
Speaker 1: draft and developed receivers better than Buffalo. But this is
Speaker 1: what this is really what they remind me of. This
Speaker 1: is a big Ben Steeler team with a defensive coach,
Speaker 1: defensive culture that has enough offensive pieces to win. And
Speaker 1: I when I watched them today, I'm like, not everybody
Speaker 1: peaks at the right time. Rams are a totally different
Speaker 1: team than six weeks ago. Don't even look like the
Speaker 1: same team. I mean, that's a dangerous team. Now they're
Speaker 1: blowing people out. So I do you buy my Bills
Speaker 1: look like a Steeler comp Ben Josh Allen defensive coach
Speaker 1: where they're very, very energized running back.
Speaker 2: Yeah, don't hate it at all. And like the Pittsburgh
Speaker 2: they're comfortable playing outside, right, And that's and look at
Speaker 2: the AFC, It's hard to know how the seeding is
Speaker 2: gonna shake out, but they would be comfortable. We've seen
Speaker 2: them go on the road in Kansas City and play well,
Speaker 2: go on the road in Baltimore and play yeah, right,
Speaker 2: Cleveland no problem, Miami, no problem. They won't. They view
Speaker 2: Miami as an inferior team, right, So you go listen
Speaker 2: if this team gets in there and they have a
Speaker 2: chance to run the table and get to eleven and six,
Speaker 2: I mean a couple of weeks ago, it felt like
Speaker 2: the building was on fire. And this is where you
Speaker 2: got to give McDermott and Josh and some of the
Speaker 2: guys internally some credit. They handled it. They kept, you know,
Speaker 2: kind of the train on the tracks a little lucky. However,
Speaker 2: you want to look at last week it played out
Speaker 2: they won the game, and today they beat the living
Speaker 2: shit out of the Cowboys. And that was Listen, a
Speaker 2: lot of people were betting on the Bills. It's another
Speaker 2: thing to be up thirty to three and the Cowboys
Speaker 2: struggled to get over one hundred yards of offense with
Speaker 2: five minutes left to go in the game. I don't
Speaker 2: think anyone saw that. And that's kind of a rough
Speaker 2: reflection on Dallas that you know, the Eagles obviously, the
Speaker 2: story today changing the defensive coordinators, guys are sick, they're
Speaker 2: working through some stuff. But how's that team going to
Speaker 2: go on the road and beat the Niners? Because you
Speaker 2: want to take Dallas seriously as this NFC contender, this
Speaker 2: team to go to the super Bowl, and then you
Speaker 2: watch a game like today, you're like, how does that happen?
Speaker 1: How does that happen? Don't the Cowboys play Miami next?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 1: Okay, so this is classic NFL. Dallas gets humiliated physical team,
Speaker 1: so they are gonna flex physically. Miami finesse team blows
Speaker 1: out a physical Jets team. They come back to Earth
Speaker 1: watch Dallas face Miami and push them all over the
Speaker 1: field for three and a half hour. I mean you
Speaker 1: can see it a mile away back Dallas. Yeah, they're
Speaker 1: coming out. They just got humiliate And not only did
Speaker 1: they get humiliated, they were pushed around the field. So
Speaker 1: the whole week of Cowboy practices, let's get back to
Speaker 1: physical football. So, folks, I'll just I had a really
Speaker 1: good Sunday today. I had the Lions, I had the Bills,
Speaker 1: I had the Rams. Okay, not so good on San Francisco, Arizona.
Speaker 1: Take the Cowboys right now against Miami.
Speaker 2: And the other thing with Dallas, Right, we'll see how
Speaker 2: tomorrow plays out. They still you know, Drew Lock's probably
Speaker 2: going to be the quarterback. But what if the Eagles lose, right,
Speaker 2: the Cowboys would still get a little life. You know,
Speaker 2: just talk a Monday night, sitting at home. Get to
Speaker 2: look in the mirror, take a deep breath. Miami's a
Speaker 2: much better matchup than that version of whatever we just
Speaker 2: saw out of Buffalo. The way they just played, right.
Speaker 1: You know, there is something you know, I always felt
Speaker 1: there are certain glamour franchises, the Lakers, Texas Football, the
Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys, that it's almost impossible. As the NFL's gotten younger,
Speaker 1: you get this young cowboy team and they're on every show.
Speaker 1: I mean, if the Jags going a seven game winning streak,
Speaker 1: guys like me, steven A, doesn't matter who it is,
Speaker 1: we don't talk about him. Cowboys going a three game
Speaker 1: winning streak, every player turns on the TV, how about
Speaker 1: them Cowboys? And I do think it's really hard to
Speaker 1: sometimes manage young athletes when they're rolling. I think it's
Speaker 1: harder to be Sark or Mike McCarthy because you become
Speaker 1: a centerpiece of discussion and elevation. And I think Dallas
Speaker 1: kind of just got into Dallas and it's very this
Speaker 1: is what happens. They win, they roll, and all of
Speaker 1: a sudden you're like, oh wait, this is the NFL.
Speaker 1: We're going up to Cole Buffalo. I mean, there was
Speaker 1: not a minute of that game. No, Dallas was not
Speaker 1: ready to compete today.
Speaker 2: Well do you know what I've always had the take of,
Speaker 2: You know, I didn't love paying Dak forty plus million
Speaker 2: dollars a couple of years ago, thought he was a
Speaker 2: little overrated, and then he's kind of shutting you up.
Speaker 2: He started to play really good football. You're like, got
Speaker 2: this guy, I might win the MVP. And then you
Speaker 2: watch today and you go, yeah, that's kind of the guy.
Speaker 2: It's like, you know, he's still got that in him.
Speaker 2: He's done in the playoffs the last two years against
Speaker 2: the Niners. How is there any scenario without major injuries
Speaker 2: where you can see the Cowboys beating the forty nine ers,
Speaker 2: Because I just I struggle to do that. I don't
Speaker 2: think it exists.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think Dak is a different quarterback trailing, and
Speaker 1: most quarterbacks are. But the difference between Dak at home
Speaker 1: leading and DAK on the road trailing, it's like two players, right,
Speaker 1: like it really is. And at most quarterbacks, you know,
Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield's always been He's a good front runner, he's
Speaker 1: not good trailing. But we don't consider Baker Mayfield to
Speaker 1: be a forty five million dollars year quarterback. So I
Speaker 1: look at DAK, and you know, there are components to
Speaker 1: Dallas that feel like a super Bowl team. A good
Speaker 1: quarterback having a great year, Matt Ryan, cam Newton dak
Speaker 1: good quarterback, having a great year, a really unique energy,
Speaker 1: play well at home, have a knockout punch somewhere on
Speaker 1: the perimeter as a weapon. But those teams didn't win
Speaker 1: super Bowls. And I just feel like in order to
Speaker 1: win a Super Bowl, Dallas being a wild card team,
Speaker 1: potentially it'd be just at San Francisco, you know, at
Speaker 1: a Philadelphia at Detroit. That's really hard. Cincinnati almost pulled
Speaker 1: it off a few years ago, but they were you know,
Speaker 1: Burrow was on just a streak. But I just think
Speaker 1: I just think Dallas. I think it's a hard ask
Speaker 1: for anybody if you don't have a star quarterback.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think those two teams you named, they got
Speaker 2: home games. And like you said, this team more than
Speaker 2: likely is gonna be the fifth seed and they're gonna
Speaker 2: be a heavy favorite in that first game. But Tampa's
Speaker 2: got some good players. It might not be as easy
Speaker 2: as it was last year. Right So, and then right
Speaker 2: away you got to go on the road to Philly
Speaker 2: to San Francisco to Detroit, depending on how the seating
Speaker 2: shakes out. And that's just a lot to ask. And
Speaker 2: let's face it, because like you said, of the brand,
Speaker 2: do they get thrown on Monday night football game again, right,
Speaker 2: and then all of a sudden you get that weird
Speaker 2: kind of shorter week, even if you get the afternoon
Speaker 2: Sunday window. Because I would say, yeah, if it's them
Speaker 2: against whatever team no one cares that much about in
Speaker 2: the South, it's an easy Monday night football game because
Speaker 2: it's big ratings. That's kind of what it's been. So yeah,
Speaker 2: I have a hard time. I think it's borderline one.
Speaker 2: They haven't been in the conference championship in two and
Speaker 2: a half decades, and then when they still have this
Speaker 2: in the back. I mean they have two. Even if
Speaker 2: you give them the Arizona game, weird loss to a
Speaker 2: bad team, they had two real games against Buffalo and
Speaker 2: against San Francisco with a lot of hype coming into
Speaker 2: the game. They had momentum coming into the game, and
Speaker 2: they got destroyed. I don't know what the final score
Speaker 2: is of those two games combined, but it feels like
Speaker 2: negative sixty plus points on their side of the ledger.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just it's one of those things. Dallas is
Speaker 1: very much a momentum team. You know, Nick Saban's team
Speaker 1: Alabama have never been like he can just certain teams
Speaker 1: have the ability to flip at halftime and it doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: Dallas always feels like there's a way they play and
Speaker 1: when they get when they get, when you get them
Speaker 1: off their block off platform, they can unravel, especially away
Speaker 1: from home. It's a young team, there's a lot of emotion.
Speaker 1: I still think they're fine. I want to pivot to
Speaker 1: Miami destroying the Jets today because that's who Dallas plays next,
Speaker 1: and I think Dallas will handle Miami. But and I
Speaker 1: think we both feel the same about Miami. They're electric,
Speaker 1: they're fun. A Dolphins team that has a speedboat offense
Speaker 1: is always good for the NFL period. I just like,
Speaker 1: like I've said this before, there are certain college football
Speaker 1: programs that just they make the sport bigger, you know.
Speaker 1: And I think Miami, you get that wild aqua water
Speaker 1: a playoff game in January, great weather, scoring points. But
Speaker 1: the Jets thing is interesting, John, because this offense. Neither
Speaker 1: one of us loves Zach Wilson. I think he's probably
Speaker 1: a backup in this league, but Nat Hackett has not
Speaker 1: elevated him. And some of this is on Aaron's buddy
Speaker 1: And there was a couple of weeks ago. Alan Wizard
Speaker 1: was a healthy scratch and at the time, I thought,
Speaker 1: is that they're sending a message like Aaron, you know,
Speaker 1: we got to play the best players. This can't be
Speaker 1: about Aaron. This is a bad old line. Matt Hackett
Speaker 1: to me has to go. I mean, if you despite
Speaker 1: what happened to Denver, they're a different offense. Without Matt
Speaker 1: Hackett the Jets things going to be fascinating. The team
Speaker 1: looked like it quit today, was not prepared today. So
Speaker 1: you run. You're a former scout, you run the Jets.
Speaker 1: I mean I move off Hackett. I draft another quarterback,
Speaker 1: probably third, fourth, fifth round, not first or second. They
Speaker 1: need a left tackle regardless, They've got to get left
Speaker 1: tackle solved. What do you do with the Jets going forward?
Speaker 2: Well, I thought today Fangio was trying to end his career.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's the way it looked. Fangio made it
Speaker 2: look like he didn't belong on the same field. Coaching
Speaker 2: against him.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: That Miami defense coming off a short week and in
Speaker 2: the first half, they couldn't gain a yard. They had
Speaker 2: negative yards in the first half. And this Dolphins defense,
Speaker 2: Zach Thomas and some of their great players aren't walking
Speaker 2: through that door. This is a pretty average personnel team.
Speaker 2: I just think when you're beholden to Aaron Rodgers, are
Speaker 2: you fire and Hackett? Like I don't know if sala
Speaker 2: that's ultimately this is where their organization is all out
Speaker 2: of whack, right, Like the coach isn't really in charge anymore,
Speaker 2: even the GM this quarterback who keep this story the
Speaker 2: running thing about him coming back, Like what are we
Speaker 2: talking about? And then I have a hard time seeing
Speaker 2: them firing him. Now, if I was the owner, I
Speaker 2: would like to bring in a real coordinator because I
Speaker 2: think most people around the league don't think Nathaniel Hackett's
Speaker 2: very good offensive coordinator. And today he was Today was embarrassing.
Speaker 2: It really was. It's one thing to lose Miami's better
Speaker 2: than you, it's another thing for it to look like that.
Speaker 2: I mean, they're coming up, Miami's coming off a short week,
Speaker 2: one of the worst losses, like statistically in like NFL history,
Speaker 2: three minutes fourteen points is like unheard of, and for
Speaker 2: it to look like that, and like you said, the effort,
Speaker 2: the quitting Zach did get knocked out. And you know,
Speaker 2: I think Zach. The problem with Zach is he can
Speaker 2: have the half where you're like, God, this guy's really talented,
Speaker 2: and then he comes right back and he looks like
Speaker 2: a third stringer. But I'm with you, Hackett has been
Speaker 2: an utter disaster because we are seeing so many quarterbacks
Speaker 2: around the league that aren't starting quarterbacks that have real
Speaker 2: offensive coordinators, whether it's Zach Taylor's crew, whether it's Shane Stiken,
Speaker 2: whether it's all these guys that are making these players
Speaker 2: Kevin O'Connell looks serviceable, and they get to these points
Speaker 2: where they can't even think about moving the ball until
Speaker 2: the game's so out of hand and all of a
Speaker 2: sudden you get the hallow yards when you're down thirty
Speaker 2: to nothing. But I do not think that it's an
Speaker 2: option from the head coach or the GM to fire him,
Speaker 2: because I don't think Aaron's gonna want that. And once
Speaker 2: you put all your chips on this guy, you kind
Speaker 2: of like, to me, the bringing in the Randall Cobbs
Speaker 2: and the Lizards, like those days are over. But I
Speaker 2: I think I want to play for this guy. I
Speaker 2: still think Aaron has that juice right. He gave you
Speaker 2: the pay cut, and I'll be stunned if he goes, Yeah,
Speaker 2: get rid of him bringing any guy you want. That's
Speaker 2: not really how he's operated.
Speaker 1: You know, it's interesting with Aaron. I Aaron. I'm not
Speaker 1: insinuating that he doesn't watch film, but I've been told
Speaker 1: he's not as devoted to it as Brady or a Manning.
Speaker 1: He's just not or Russell Wilson. He's not as devoted
Speaker 1: to film that Aaron's gonna kind of want to do
Speaker 1: what Aaron's gonna want to do. I'm not saying he's lazy,
Speaker 1: but I've talked to a couple star quarterbacks in the
Speaker 1: league and I remember years ago. I don't want to
Speaker 1: give too much away, but it was somebody connected to Aaron,
Speaker 1: and they're like, listen, man, he's not sitting in his
Speaker 1: house tonight breaking down a bunch of film. You know,
Speaker 1: he could be watching something on Netflix. And and maybe
Speaker 1: some of that is because he's so gifted.
Speaker 2: Those guys couldn't write.
Speaker 1: And so does Aaron want to Does he want to
Speaker 1: learn a new offense at this point?
Speaker 2: No chance, I mean, I'm not none.
Speaker 1: That's my takeaway. So Aaron, if you go up to
Speaker 1: him and say we got to get a new ac
Speaker 1: Aaron doesn't far of at the end of his career,
Speaker 1: didn't want to Aaron at the end of his career.
Speaker 1: I don't think Aaron wants to learn new offense. Is
Speaker 1: there a possibility that Woody Johnson sala these guys next year?
Speaker 1: I mean, if I'm Sala and I have any choice,
Speaker 1: I'm not tying my career to that offensive coordinator. Do
Speaker 1: you think there's any chance they would just blow it
Speaker 1: up and draft a quarterback?
Speaker 2: I mean you have moments where you watch today you go,
Speaker 2: could this owner just lose it and fire everybody and
Speaker 2: just say, you know the history of the NFL, the
Speaker 2: players don't dictate the terms. Even Tom Brady was shown
Speaker 2: the walking papers in New England, right, So this is
Speaker 2: and the Jets are historically dysfunctional. What's this thirteenth straight
Speaker 2: years now no playoffs? Yeah, like they're just what are
Speaker 2: They're gonna win six games? So at any moment, these owners,
Speaker 2: we know money's not an issue, and we know patience
Speaker 2: is not something that a lot of these guys have,
Speaker 2: especially the losing owners. So I think everything's on the
Speaker 2: table because what's what's Aaron gonna say to Woody? Right? Like,
Speaker 2: I still signed the check. So, yeah, you gave me
Speaker 2: some money back, and yeah, we brought you here to
Speaker 2: work with this guy. But I don't think Wood he's
Speaker 2: shown to be like the Rooneys and see something out
Speaker 2: and in fairness has Robert Sala and this group really
Speaker 2: earned like the benefit of the doubt that they know
Speaker 2: what they're doing. I like Robert sal seems like a
Speaker 2: great guy, was a good defensive serminator. By no means
Speaker 2: would I put a lot of money on investing on
Speaker 2: him as being like some the next five years, be
Speaker 2: a successful head coach. He has not shown anything even remote.
Speaker 2: He doesn't know anything with offense, so he's very beholden
Speaker 2: to the coordinator. He hired his buddy Lafleur, that failed.
Speaker 2: Now he hired Rogers' buddy. That's been an utter disaster because,
Speaker 2: like we said, even Rogers gets hurt four plays in,
Speaker 2: you should still look consistently a lot better than you've looked.
Speaker 2: Just some innovation, just some being able to move the ball.
Speaker 2: They consistently have halves that I would say the worst
Speaker 2: in the NFL. Them in Carolina Carolinas, I mean the
Speaker 2: worst team we've seen in the while, them in Carolina
Speaker 2: worst offenses. Just I tests, I would imagine the stats
Speaker 2: back it up as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I think I think there's a lot of
Speaker 1: different options. There's a lot of options to the Jets.
Speaker 1: I would go get left tackle. If you start looking
Speaker 1: at the mock drafts right now, they have a chance
Speaker 1: to get the number one or number two left tackle,
Speaker 1: and despite who your quarterback is, you just have to
Speaker 1: get one of them. I'm not putting Aaron out there
Speaker 1: with their current situation, but there's a lot of things
Speaker 1: on the board for the Jets. Now. I want to
Speaker 1: talk about a team that's not very good, but I
Speaker 1: find fascinating. The Cleveland Browns beat the Chicago Bears. Almost
Speaker 1: didn't that Hail Mary should have been caught by movie crazy.
Speaker 1: But the Bears defense is interesting because they had what
Speaker 1: three picks today, They're playing very well, their secondary and
Speaker 1: linebacker crew very well. Matt Eberflews over the last five weeks.
Speaker 1: He's a defensive coach that defense. Now that they've got
Speaker 1: Montese sweat, they've got a great corner. You look at
Speaker 1: it and you're like, Okay, they've been in this system
Speaker 1: a couple of years. I'm not sure I can fire him.
Speaker 1: That looks like he knows his side of the ball.
Speaker 1: And I've said this before when McDermott was getting crushed.
Speaker 1: Our take was always sort of listen, we don't know
Speaker 1: if he has vision, but he's obviously a good detail guy.
Speaker 1: He's Chuck Knox. He'll clean it up. He knows his side.
Speaker 1: He's just not a visionary. Eber Flues may not be
Speaker 1: a visionary. I can't fire him. The defense looks absolutely
Speaker 1: legit despite losing today. They did their job. But the
Speaker 1: question becomes with Justin fields. He again today, he makes plays.
Speaker 1: He had a touchdown drop by a tight end Robert Tanyan.
Speaker 1: But he doesn't win enough games. I don't want to
Speaker 1: hear that. You know, winning's not a quarterback stat. He
Speaker 1: doesn't win enough. I still think at times he doesn't
Speaker 1: see the field. He can be a tatty erratic. I
Speaker 1: move off him. But boy, when I go to Twitter
Speaker 1: and I hear these Chicago fans, there's a lot of love.
Speaker 1: You know. There's a difference they always say with coordinators,
Speaker 1: John calling plays, just calling plays or really calling a game.
Speaker 1: Mcveigh's calling a game. A lot of guys call plays.
Speaker 1: There's also a difference as a quarterback just making incredible
Speaker 1: plays and managing a game like mahomes with an occasional
Speaker 1: great play. I kind of feel like justin Fields is
Speaker 1: just a series of plays. That's how it lands for me.
Speaker 1: I would move off him. I think you could send
Speaker 1: him to Atlanta and get a second two seconds. What
Speaker 1: would you do with Fields?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I haven't changed one iota, no matter
Speaker 2: how many awesome plays he makes with his legs in Maunie,
Speaker 2: how many great throws he makes. I mean that heyl
Speaker 2: Mary today was the thing of beauty right that Oh
Speaker 2: York on it. The way he puts you right there
Speaker 2: in the middle. Thing. His his physical gifts are elite.
Speaker 2: But to me, he's been like he's not coming. He's
Speaker 2: not gonna be the Chicago Bears quarterback next year. I
Speaker 2: actually think though he's earned we keep talking about every
Speaker 2: week a lot of credit, showing a lot of mental
Speaker 2: toughness and even just subtle improvements. And there are we
Speaker 2: keep talking about Atlanta because you know he's front played
Speaker 2: at Georgia for a split second. Makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 1: But they need a quarterback.
Speaker 2: They're gonna be other teams that need quarterbacks. Like I
Speaker 2: watch New England their quarterbacks. It could be a bitting war. Maybe,
Speaker 2: like you said, it ends up going from a couple
Speaker 2: of weeks ago, like maybe get a third now, maybe
Speaker 2: get a couple twos. Who knows. So it seems like
Speaker 2: a good guy. People like them. Teammates are rallying around him.
Speaker 2: But to me, you're not passing on the number one
Speaker 2: overall pick New. I do think it's a big question though,
Speaker 2: with the coach, because at one point in time you
Speaker 2: look up at seventeen to seven, they're beating the shit
Speaker 2: out of the Browns like it's gonna be difficult now,
Speaker 2: a little like the Jets, kind of just functional organization
Speaker 2: they have, you know, a former Big ten commissioner who's
Speaker 2: trying to get power. Is the GM gonna stay? What's
Speaker 2: really going on? Owners old school? So I still think
Speaker 2: a lot of stuff's on the table there. But eba
Speaker 2: Flus is proven to be a really good defensive coach
Speaker 2: this year. Yes, I mean their defense is vastly improved. Listen. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I was critical of the sweat thing today. He was dominant.
Speaker 2: He looked like Nick Boster, Miles Garrett. But do you
Speaker 2: want him to be your head coach with a young
Speaker 2: quarterback moving forward, and do you just give them, well,
Speaker 2: we'll give him one more year, and then you're firing
Speaker 2: them a year in to your rookie quarterback. But I
Speaker 2: don't think that you get the opportunity with Carolina to
Speaker 2: get the number one overall pick and then pass on it.
Speaker 2: I just think, especially with a guy who's really really talented,
Speaker 2: some years, one hundred percent, you would just roll it
Speaker 2: through another year. With Fields, I don't think you do
Speaker 2: it this year.
Speaker 1: Also, they have two firsts, a third, two fourth, and
Speaker 1: a fifth. You could absolutely replace your second round pick.
Speaker 1: You can get a second for justin Fields. So now
Speaker 1: I've got two first, a second, a third, two force.
Speaker 1: That's potentially you know, that's you're talking six really good players.
Speaker 1: And it's interesting they have good players on the roster
Speaker 1: now too. They have a number one receiver, they have
Speaker 1: a left, they have two tackles. Yea, they have Caleb Williams.
Speaker 1: I even like their offensive coordinator. I know, you know,
Speaker 1: we always blame the offensive coordinator, but they've they've got
Speaker 1: their pieces here. I'm never gonna love their ownership, right,
Speaker 1: I'm never gonna love it. I would prefer an offensive
Speaker 1: coach but they've got the tight ends, a number one receiver. Now,
Speaker 1: they have a dominant guy up front. Defensively, they have
Speaker 1: a star corner Johnson, they have incredibly Now they're expensive
Speaker 1: but active linebackers playing very well. So I'm with you.
Speaker 1: I just think you can talk yourself into a lot
Speaker 1: of things. But the Houston Texans are a different team
Speaker 1: because of C. J. Stroud. Yeah, okay, Like it changes
Speaker 1: the dynamic. And if you don't have a star offensive
Speaker 1: coach like a Shanahan, like a McVeigh or a Shane
Speaker 1: Steichen and the Chicago doesn't, then you need a star quarterback.
Speaker 1: It just changes the entire temperature of the franchise. And
Speaker 1: I like Justin, but I think it now becomes people
Speaker 1: trying to talk themselves into him instead of just going,
Speaker 1: we don't win. There's too many turnovers. He's been banged
Speaker 1: up by the way in his career, he's struggled to
Speaker 1: have a full season without missing a game. I think
Speaker 1: it's time.
Speaker 2: Well, for example, watching Arizona and the Niners today, Arizona's
Speaker 2: team's terrible. I mean, their rosters really bad. That quarterback's
Speaker 2: a real big talent. He's not big, he's small, but
Speaker 2: he is really really talented. I think if you're the Bears,
Speaker 2: like if you put him on the Bears with the
Speaker 2: roster they had, like Kyler Murray and I think, you
Speaker 2: know CAYLEB Williams kind of not his fast version of Kyler,
Speaker 2: but enormous arm accurate. I think you immediately have a
Speaker 2: chance to be competitive next year, right, especially if you
Speaker 2: hit on some other picks that they they they're going
Speaker 2: to be a fascinating offseason team. To me, it just
Speaker 2: starts with the coach, and I think I think you
Speaker 2: got to move on. I give him a lot of
Speaker 2: credit for this, because it felt like at one moment
Speaker 2: a couple of months ago, the ship was going to sink,
Speaker 2: and eber flews to me as an immediate like is
Speaker 2: he the number one defensive coordinator option on the open market?
Speaker 2: But I would try to get an offense. I mean,
Speaker 2: I still think Jim Harbaugh makes a lot of sense there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, let's and there's a lot of different
Speaker 1: things to talk about here. Let's I want to talk
Speaker 1: a little bit about green Bay. So we all kind
Speaker 1: of fell in love with green Bay and then they
Speaker 1: come out today, the Packers, and they don't now I
Speaker 1: will say Jordan Love and the reed. The wide receiver
Speaker 1: from Michigan State, Jaden Reid had a one of the
Speaker 1: better throws and catches on the season today. But I'm
Speaker 1: gonna look up. I'm gonna look up something very quickly.
Speaker 1: What do we do with Green Bay? Now? So Baker
Speaker 1: Mayfield and that defense, Joe Berry's defense. Baker had three
Speaker 1: hundred and eighty yards, four touchdowns, and a couple of
Speaker 1: weeks ago, I kind of felt like I really like
Speaker 1: this team, and then as I watched them today, I
Speaker 1: was like, no, I really do like this team. They
Speaker 1: need a defensive coordinator change, but I wonder I see
Speaker 1: it with Green Bay. I think there's a lot there.
Speaker 1: I think they're such a young team, Like sometimes you'll
Speaker 1: watch a team and you're like, they're just a year away.
Speaker 1: They are a bunch of kids. It was we probably
Speaker 1: should have thought that with Josh Allen his first big year,
Speaker 1: Like what do we do it? We're falling in love
Speaker 1: with this boxer who doesn't have a jab, Like they're
Speaker 1: just big. I watched Green Bay and I like sort
Speaker 1: of the direction they're going. But today to get gashed
Speaker 1: by Tampa, am I over my skis on Green Bay.
Speaker 1: Are they just actually a pretty average football team today?
Speaker 2: I had the Bears on one screen in Green Bay
Speaker 2: and another. I thought, if you could combine the two,
Speaker 2: take the green Bay offense and the Bears defense, No
Speaker 2: one want to play him in the playoffs, right, I
Speaker 2: mean they got I think the average age of the
Speaker 2: receivers are twenty three. Obviously, the running backs are good.
Speaker 2: Lafleur's a good coordinator. Love is dramatically improved over the
Speaker 2: course of the year. I mean, Joe Barry has been
Speaker 2: a guy they've talked about in Green Bay. Let's face it,
Speaker 2: this goes back to the McCarthy era. Their defenses have
Speaker 2: just not been good on all their playoff teams, and
Speaker 2: this team's not going to go to the playoffs more
Speaker 2: than likely. But their defense to day with Swiss cheese,
Speaker 2: and they've invested a ton of picks. They spend a
Speaker 2: bunch of money. They are not physical, They don't make
Speaker 2: open field tackles. Their dbs don't make any plays. I mean,
Speaker 2: Baker Mayfield. They have skill guys, right, Mike Evans good player,
Speaker 2: god Win good player there. Running back White I don't
Speaker 2: know that much about him, but he's a talented player
Speaker 2: annihilated Green Bay. So it's this. You go to an offseason,
Speaker 2: you invest in a new defensive coordinator, maybe you get
Speaker 2: eber Flus, Maybe you get you know, if Todd Bowles
Speaker 2: is available, if they fire him intent you know, you
Speaker 2: get Dennis Allen if he gets fired in New Orleans.
Speaker 2: Whoever doesn't make and get the top guy because Joe
Speaker 2: Barry was Lafour's buddy from the Rams, and I think
Speaker 2: sometimes the Shanahan guys. This happens a lot in college.
Speaker 2: You kind of hire the guys you know and listen.
Speaker 2: People like the guy, but he's a position coach. You
Speaker 2: put him at defensive coordinator. It's been an embarrassment. Now
Speaker 2: you could argue maybe it's the players. Maybe their players
Speaker 2: are a little overrated, but today was really bad because
Speaker 2: their offense has played, for the most part, really really
Speaker 2: well in winning football. I mean last week the Veto
Speaker 2: ran for seventy yards on them in big spots on
Speaker 2: Monday Night football. It was the defense. This is this
Speaker 2: isn't Kyler Murray or Lamar Jack. You can't let Tommy
Speaker 2: DeVito have seven carries for seventy yards in big spots,
Speaker 2: picking up big first downs. So yeah, at the end
Speaker 2: of the day, their special teams let him down. A
Speaker 2: couple of years, their defense let him down. I think
Speaker 2: Lafleur has to find a way to button up his
Speaker 2: operation because clearly he can handle the offense and they've
Speaker 2: always been able. Going back to Ted Thompson, find guys
Speaker 2: in the draft, the Jordy Nelson's, the Drivers, the DeVante.
Speaker 2: That's never going to be their problem. Quarterbacks. Hell, they
Speaker 2: can find those guys. They might be the Steelers of
Speaker 2: the quarterbacks, right, the Steelers with wide receivers, then with quarterbacks.
Speaker 2: But defensively, this is the best. The Niners defense is good.
Speaker 2: That's the Eagles problem right now. How do you take
Speaker 2: them seriously as a Super Bowl contender if their defense
Speaker 2: is going to be a problem, right, and it's the
Speaker 2: big offseason question mark, will they fire his friend, which
Speaker 2: sometimes can be hard in football, and then will you
Speaker 2: go out and pay a top defense? I mean, Vick
Speaker 2: Fangil costs five million dollars, Yeah, that's what it costs.
Speaker 2: These guys in the SEC make a couple million dollars.
Speaker 2: The defensive coordinator. Yeah, this is not You're not hiring
Speaker 2: a six hundred and fifty thousand dollars defensive coordinator here.
Speaker 1: Yeah that's UCLA.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly exactly.
Speaker 1: So it is interesting though, because the best quarterback is
Speaker 1: winning all these divisions almost down the line. Baker Mayfield's
Speaker 1: the best quarterback in this division. He was a number
Speaker 1: one pick. Nothing against Derek Carr. I defended him for years,
Speaker 1: but my ship has sailed When a coach takes him
Speaker 1: out in the red zone for Taysom Hill. You know,
Speaker 1: it's like, all right, you're telling me something. So Baker's
Speaker 1: the best quarterback, probably most talented quarterback in the division.
Speaker 1: Tampa has a chance to win this division. And now
Speaker 1: they're going to draft near you know, at the bottom
Speaker 1: third of the first round. You're not getting your quarterback.
Speaker 1: You'd have to wholesale sell it. And my takeaway with
Speaker 1: performances like this from Baker, if it's a reasonable contract,
Speaker 1: is it the craziest thing to say he's the best
Speaker 1: quarterback in the division. We can get him for twenty
Speaker 1: eight million or whatever it would be. Wouldn't have to
Speaker 1: pay thirty eight forty eight We're not going to pay that.
Speaker 1: Baker probably you're you know, Baker's now no state tax. Tampa.
Speaker 1: Good receivers. Not dysfunctional Cleveland. Tampa is actually a highly
Speaker 1: functional team. I mean they've drafted very well for years.
Speaker 1: When I covered him with McKay, they drafted well. They've
Speaker 1: always had they've had good goach good players. They really
Speaker 1: have not done the quarterback position particularly well. But you
Speaker 1: go from Tommy and now you go to Baker a
Speaker 1: number one pick. Does Baker have a chance this year
Speaker 1: they draft a quarterback fourth round, you just get another year.
Speaker 2: Yeah. To me, Baker's like a one year, fifteen million
Speaker 2: dollars a year guy. I think this year is like
Speaker 2: one four, one five. Now to me, I can't give
Speaker 2: him twenty five to thirty million dollars because he's had
Speaker 2: a lot of games, and ultimately me, he's like a
Speaker 2: fringe backup, probably somewhere in the twenties. But he has
Speaker 2: the talent. When he looks good, he looks like a
Speaker 2: legitimate starter. But then next week he'll go struggle to
Speaker 2: throw for one hundred and fifty you know yards. So yeah,
Speaker 2: probably roll it back, especially if you're drafted twenty help.
Speaker 2: You could bring him back on a one year fifteen million,
Speaker 2: one year twelve million dollars and still draft a guy
Speaker 2: at twenty. If you like him, he kind of becomes
Speaker 2: your version of Gino Smith because the one thing you
Speaker 2: gotta givehim a lot of credit. Colin is unlike Cleveland,
Speaker 2: where everyone was like kind of over him. They like
Speaker 2: him there. Jason Leisman outspoken. The players like him, so listen.
Speaker 2: Men mature a little later sometimes, and he leads him
Speaker 2: to the playoffs be big for him. It'd be big
Speaker 2: for Todd Bowles. I mean, it'd be a pretty big moment.
Speaker 2: Back to back playoffs, even if it's a shitty division.
Speaker 2: That's that's back to back home playoff games for the ownership.
Speaker 1: Okay, so Atlanta doesn't have a quarterback even if they
Speaker 1: went and got Justin Field. Ridder's awful bake. Yeah, Ridder's awful.
Speaker 1: But Justin Fields has not proven to be a winning
Speaker 1: quarterback yet. Derek Carr Saints are tied to that for
Speaker 1: two more years. So Baker's more talented. Throw over the.
Speaker 2: Football Caroline is a disaster disaster.
Speaker 1: So my takeaway is I'd roll the dice with Baker
Speaker 1: one more year. He's still be the best quarterback of Monivation.
Speaker 2: I think he'll be. I think he'll be back. Jason
Speaker 2: light likes him a lot.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and there you know there is something. There is
Speaker 1: something about Baker is that if you have Baker, there
Speaker 1: is a certain edge like he does bring. People think
Speaker 1: I hate Baker. I really don't. I've had experiences with
Speaker 1: people that know him. I like Baker. I think Baker.
Speaker 1: I've always said he's one of the thirty two best
Speaker 1: quarterbacks in the planet. There's no question in my mind.
Speaker 1: He's a very emotional player. So he gets down on himself.
Speaker 1: I mean he can do the roller coaster. I mean
Speaker 1: he can be brilliant and awful in two drives. So
Speaker 1: he's very led by emotion. And you know, certain guys
Speaker 1: are certain guys are not. But I think Baker. I
Speaker 1: think I would I draft another quarterback third fourth round.
Speaker 1: I would absolutely have no problem rolling the dice. And
Speaker 1: to your point, Bowls does a pretty good job, Todd
Speaker 1: Bows does a pretty good job on the defensive end.
Speaker 1: Wouldn't shock anybody if they went to Detroit and won, No,
Speaker 1: it wouldn't shock me. Like I don't think it shocked
Speaker 1: me if the Rams went to Dallas in one I
Speaker 1: mean this year in the NFC, outside of the Niners,
Speaker 1: who do I.
Speaker 2: Love well to me today's news on the Eagles and listen,
Speaker 2: I've been in that building. It can be tight. You know.
Speaker 2: It's just an intense coming into this season beside the Chiefs.
Speaker 2: To me, the Eagles and the Niners, it was kind
Speaker 2: of super Bowl or bust. You have a couple of
Speaker 2: weeks like that. All of a sudden, they're making a
Speaker 2: defensive coordinator change in December seventeenth. What's their record? Ten
Speaker 2: and two? It's pretty crazy, So they're not feeling great.
Speaker 2: The Lions at any moment can look like they did
Speaker 2: on Saturday night or look awful. Beside the forty nine ers,
Speaker 2: everyone in the NFC is a complete coin flip. You
Speaker 2: wouldn't be shocked if anyone beats another team. We don't
Speaker 2: even know. I mean, the amount of different playoff teams
Speaker 2: that could get in, it wouldn't shock you. If the
Speaker 2: Saints and Tampa get in, it wouldn't shock you. Neither
Speaker 2: gets you know, it's like, who knows how this whole
Speaker 2: thing's gonna play out. You can't trust any of these teams.
Speaker 1: So now let's move to a Saturday special. Denver getting
Speaker 1: buried by Detroit. So I was thinking about this watching
Speaker 1: Detroit so they're a very good Dome team. Goff's a
Speaker 1: very good dome quarterback. He's had at least two touchdown
Speaker 1: passes in five straight indoor games. So they could potentially
Speaker 1: play Tampa warm Weather at home, Dallas warm Weather rams
Speaker 1: so far. So there's a lot of matchups. Obviously, Philadelphia,
Speaker 1: a team struggling, is not where they'd be at their
Speaker 1: best on the road cold Weather. But I'll tell you,
Speaker 1: in most organizations, John the quarterback and the coach, it's
Speaker 1: the star. I think the front office for the Lions
Speaker 1: is their star, Laporta, Gibbs. Everybody knocks some of their
Speaker 1: draft picks. These guys are unbelievable. I look at that
Speaker 1: roster and it's very rare, John, that a team wins
Speaker 1: the division and scores a lot of points and we
Speaker 1: don't look at their coach or their quarterback as driving it.
Speaker 1: I think this is one of the better front offices
Speaker 1: in the NFL drafting the last three years.
Speaker 2: Totally agree. I mean Brad Holmes that draft day trade
Speaker 2: he made to get Gibbs and then ultimately Laporta has
Speaker 2: a chance to go down. It's like a franchise altering move.
Speaker 2: The other thing is because he was a Rams guy
Speaker 2: and knew Jared Goff. The forty nine ers offered the
Speaker 2: same deal to the Detroit Lions for Matt Stafford, but
Speaker 2: it was Jimmy Garoppolo. He said, no, I'd rather have
Speaker 2: the same deal with the Rams and Jared Goff and
Speaker 2: a lot of people at the time. I mean, the
Speaker 2: way we're all talking about Jared Goff now is a
Speaker 2: lot different than people were talking about couple of years
Speaker 2: ago when he was about to get traded, and that
Speaker 2: honestly has changed their franchise because we talked about Baker
Speaker 2: and a lot of these guys being these bridge quarterbacks.
Speaker 2: Jared Goff is more than that now. Is he a
Speaker 2: top five guy? Of course not. This is he a
Speaker 2: top ten guy depending on the week. Most times he's
Speaker 2: somewhere between like twelve and fifteen. But for them in
Speaker 2: that dome, they also play Minnesota, which is also a
Speaker 2: Dome team, pretty good spot. So yeah, that trade. A
Speaker 2: lot of people on the internet crushed. You can't take
Speaker 2: a running back. It's like the draft was awful and
Speaker 2: that running back and this is what Dan Campbell said
Speaker 2: at the time, who was with Sean Payton, was like
Speaker 2: his mentor in New Orleans. It reminded us of Alvin Kamara,
Speaker 2: and you're watching him last night. He's like a Christian
Speaker 2: mccafee Avin Kamar. He can catch the ball and Laporta
Speaker 2: looks like Kelsey meets Kittle, So he is abs.
Speaker 1: You know, tight end. I was told this years ago
Speaker 1: by an executive. He said, tight End's tough for rookies.
Speaker 1: Even ken Caid and Buffalo can disappear because for the
Speaker 1: first time in your life, you're gonna be asked to
Speaker 1: block seventeen weeks. Now, certain programs like Utah asked from Kincaid.
Speaker 1: Utah ask your tight ends to block. Not all of
Speaker 1: them do. Hell, some of these programs in college don't
Speaker 1: ask their offensive lineman to block much. R it's just
Speaker 1: pushing guys around. So tight ends come to the NFL
Speaker 1: and it's John You know this. It's a two three
Speaker 1: year process to get these guys ramped up. They go
Speaker 1: up against and coaches like McVeigh Higbee has to block.
Speaker 1: You're not on a field if you don't block.
Speaker 2: So why these Iowa tight ends have so much success.
Speaker 1: That's right. They're physical and that's a great point. So
Speaker 1: in the NFL, tight ends are asked to block. It
Speaker 1: usually is one of those positions. To think, that guy
Speaker 1: was so good in college, what's happened? He's getting locked
Speaker 1: up sixty snaps. So when I watch a tight end
Speaker 1: come into the NFL and he's a top three to
Speaker 1: four tight end in the league, you're looking this is
Speaker 1: like an Antonio Gates moment or a Winslow moment or
Speaker 1: a Kittle moment, where it's like, this is not a
Speaker 1: fluke to be that good as a rookie tight end,
Speaker 1: you are completely different than the rest of the league
Speaker 1: at that space. I mean, that's what I see.
Speaker 2: Well, he's not only a star. That position doesn't cost
Speaker 2: much money. So once you extend them, they don't cost
Speaker 2: what wide receivers costs. They cost half as much. Right,
Speaker 2: the top wide receivers make thirty million dollars. Kittle Kelsey
Speaker 2: they make fourteen to fifteen million dollars. So the other thing,
Speaker 2: it's an incredible value on your salary cap. So when
Speaker 2: you hit a home run. If you draft Brock Bauers
Speaker 2: in this upcoming draft in the top ten and then
Speaker 2: he becomes a top five player, he actually becomes a
Speaker 2: top five player in the league. Who's cheap, so it
Speaker 2: enables you to even buy and spend more money on
Speaker 2: other players. So from an economical standpoint on the salary cap,
Speaker 2: you could argue it's the best value that if you
Speaker 2: get a star middle linebacker because they don't cost what
Speaker 2: defensive ends or left tackles or quarterbacks cost. But Fred Warner,
Speaker 2: what's his impact? I don't know. It's like a ten
Speaker 2: out of ten, right, what's Dronk or Kittle or Kelsey
Speaker 2: when they're on no one can stop them, but they don't.
Speaker 2: You don't have to pay him this much. To me,
Speaker 2: what I also think Dan Campbell, if they win eleven
Speaker 2: or twelve and win the division, I think he has
Speaker 2: to be the coach of the year. When you just
Speaker 2: look at the Detroit Lions in ninety years, they've won
Speaker 2: double digit games nine times. For example, Andy Reid when
Speaker 2: he wins double digits this year, has eighteen double digit
Speaker 2: win seasons in his career. So the Lions, like, if
Speaker 2: you go, if Josh Levy, the dude that just from
Speaker 2: Oklahoma and went to Mississippi State, if they become a
Speaker 2: perennial playoff team, we go, that's incredible, right, But you
Speaker 2: don't get as much credit when you do it at Georgia,
Speaker 2: Ohio State what you're doing in Detroit. And you can say,
Speaker 2: well equality in the NFL, that's not true with the Lions.
Speaker 2: They never win, and that he won nine games last year.
Speaker 2: He's gonna win eleven or twelve and win the division
Speaker 2: pretty easily. And they're just good. Like you said, they're
Speaker 2: gonna be hard to beat at home, and they're gonna
Speaker 2: get a home playoff game because in a dome, they're
Speaker 2: very comfortable and they're very fast. Like how do you
Speaker 2: cover all these guys? They actually have a lot in
Speaker 2: common with like the forty nine ers all their position,
Speaker 2: they all speed guys. They all can break tackles. How
Speaker 2: good Saint Brown? Their defense is pretty questionable. But if
Speaker 2: you can score thirty five points, like try to beat
Speaker 2: me well.
Speaker 1: And also Dan's created a culture. They're a kind of
Speaker 1: relentless attacking team. Is he a great schematic coach? I
Speaker 1: doubt it, but he has created a culture and for
Speaker 1: years that's what Detroit lacked. They had players Hell Stafford,
Speaker 1: Barry Sanders, Calvin Joons.
Speaker 2: Dominican Sue. I mean, they've had good guys.
Speaker 1: They've always they're like Tampa. You know, they've always had
Speaker 1: good players. I do want to segue to Sean Payton
Speaker 1: and blowing up with Russell Wilson. So I think I
Speaker 1: told you this that I think the frustration for Sean
Speaker 1: Payton with Russell Wilson. He's not as athletic as Taysom
Speaker 1: Hill and he's not as good a pocket passer as
Speaker 1: Drew Brees. So he feels like, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: Remember when he signed that extension for Taysom Hill, we
Speaker 1: all went, Sean, you're crazy. Sean wants hyper athleticism or
Speaker 1: hyper accuracy, and with Russell it's a lot of dink
Speaker 1: and dunk underneath stuff. And he's not as twitchy as
Speaker 1: he was a couple years ago. He's clearly a franchise quarterback.
Speaker 1: But he went off on him earlier in the year
Speaker 1: on the thing around his risk right, like he wasn't
Speaker 1: learning to place. He went off on him again. And
Speaker 1: I always say this when you're going If you go
Speaker 1: to a party and a couple's arguing, like how bad
Speaker 1: is it in the car ride home? How bad is
Speaker 1: it at home? If you can't hide the anguish, Sean
Speaker 1: is blown up with Russell at the podium on the sidelines,
Speaker 1: and maybe Sean's more emotional than much coaches most coaches,
Speaker 1: but when I look at Russell and Sean, I don't
Speaker 1: think it works. I just don't think it works. I
Speaker 1: don't think Shawn's ever going to buy in. I think
Speaker 1: he's done the best job he feels he can do.
Speaker 1: But I think he's a difficult player based on the
Speaker 1: fact that Sean feels he's getting a bee guy at
Speaker 1: both passing and athletically.
Speaker 2: Well, to me, the one thing with Sean Payton is
Speaker 2: he has obviously Bill Parcell's guy. He's got some Belichick
Speaker 2: Walsh inm He's pretty cutthroat. So to me, if he's
Speaker 2: over him, he will not be on this team next year.
Speaker 2: And it's all It's been well reported on the money
Speaker 2: how they can eat some of it and just kind
Speaker 2: of be rid of the contract and have it directly
Speaker 2: impact their salary cap for one year and then just
Speaker 2: to be somewhat rid of themselves from it. But I'm
Speaker 2: with you. I mean, he even said I was yelling
Speaker 2: at him just because I was frustrated everything he really
Speaker 2: wants to yell at him all the time, I would imagine, right,
Speaker 2: and he's let's face it, when you go into a
Speaker 2: new relationship and your previous relationship is the best relationship
Speaker 2: you're probably ever gonna have. He compares everything to Drew
Speaker 2: Brees and Russell just strictly is not that from And listen,
Speaker 2: Russell's not a bad guy, not getting any trouble. He
Speaker 2: works hard, but ultimately this is like it's a result
Speaker 2: oriented business. So all that stuff's great, but then we
Speaker 2: play the games, so do you get the job done?
Speaker 2: And last night they weren't even close. Now, the Detroit
Speaker 2: Lions are just a better football team. They have much
Speaker 2: more talent on offense than that team has on offense.
Speaker 2: But there's been countless times where they have won in
Speaker 2: almost in spite of him. I mean, their defense is
Speaker 2: played beside last night or two nights ago, a lot
Speaker 2: better over the course of their run. But if I
Speaker 2: was a betting man right now, Russell Wilson will not
Speaker 2: be on the team now. And know how they facilitate that.
Speaker 2: They eat money, they trade them, they cut them. How
Speaker 2: it goes down. But we've seen enough. Sean Payton earned
Speaker 2: a lot of credit because at one point early on
Speaker 2: in the season, like is this gonna work? And then
Speaker 2: he got the thing clearly knows what he's doing. If
Speaker 2: he wants them gone, he will be gone. Because that's
Speaker 2: how the NFL works, right. This is what we talk
Speaker 2: about with Rogers the quarterback, that the players don't get
Speaker 2: to dictate any of this stuff. It's a management leak, right,
Speaker 2: the gms, the coaches because the owners kind of let
Speaker 2: them do. The owners don't know anything, right, And that's
Speaker 2: one theory I had with the Chargers, and you see
Speaker 2: this with the Giants is when you get the ownership
Speaker 2: who has family members in the front office, in the
Speaker 2: scouting department, Like I like my owners to be like
Speaker 2: wheeling and dealing with business stuff. Even Jerry he's the GM,
Speaker 2: he's not watching any film. He's doing deals right, and
Speaker 2: Steven that they're making money. But you know, the Spanos
Speaker 2: family has their kid who's involved that he's a good,
Speaker 2: smart guy. But you get involved in football and there's
Speaker 2: too much crossover. The best owner Clark Hunt, Andy Veach,
Speaker 2: you cook right the craft for twenty five years, Bill
Speaker 2: do do, Glorie Howie, Sirianni, Doug Andy, make me money,
Speaker 2: win games and all just that it's a unique business,
Speaker 2: right because you have this multi billion dollar asset. Yet
Speaker 2: the most important guy in your organization, the coach or
Speaker 2: the GM or the mix of the two of them,
Speaker 2: you don't really know anything about besides like being a fan.
Speaker 2: So you can't really even if your expertise, like David
Speaker 2: Teppery's this great all time market guy, can't footwork. When
Speaker 2: I see him telling coaches about footwork or the quarterback,
Speaker 2: I'm like, they're in trouble, right, you just And that's
Speaker 2: that's why this business is so Once the owner gets involved,
Speaker 2: it always cracks because most owners, like are not Al
Speaker 2: Davis in the eighties. They know football, right, They just don't.
Speaker 2: And I think you're gonna see with Walmart, these guys
Speaker 2: are very successful and they're just gonna let Sean Payton
Speaker 2: do whatever he wants to do. They're paying him ninety
Speaker 2: million dollars to do that. So Sean Payton wouldn't shock
Speaker 2: me if he basically gets a new GM this offseason
Speaker 2: and the Russell Wilson, I would imagine it's gonna be
Speaker 2: one of the biggest stories heading in a free agency
Speaker 2: what he's gonna do with him?
Speaker 1: Right, Let's talk Patriots, Kansas City, Kansas City struggled in
Speaker 1: the first half, pulled away. So like one of the
Speaker 1: overreaching stories here is we'll get to the Belichick stuff
Speaker 1: in a second, his future, but a Kadarius Tony had
Speaker 1: another ball, totally catchable. Office hands intercepted Mahomes reacts viscerally
Speaker 1: on the sidelines and I said it this week on
Speaker 1: FS one. It doesn't really matter because Rashi Rice is
Speaker 1: their number one at receiver. Kelsey's their number one. They
Speaker 1: need Tony Sky, Moore and Watson are not game breakers.
Speaker 1: Tony's twitchy. Can you trust him? No, And as we
Speaker 1: talked earlier on this podcast, it does feel like it's
Speaker 1: becoming Buffalo's year. You know, Joe Burrow's gone. Maybe it's Baltimore.
Speaker 1: We'll see tomorrow night when they play. But we don't
Speaker 1: trust the Jags. Chargers we thought would be good. They're
Speaker 1: not Denver, probably a year away. So you have this
Speaker 1: Kansas City team that's still absolutely viable in the AFC
Speaker 1: right now. They don't have to go through the Niners.
Speaker 1: They don't, you know, going on the road and playing
Speaker 1: Dallas would be no fun for this team, or Detroit
Speaker 1: for that matter. They already lost to them at home
Speaker 1: this year. At the Lions, But I look at Kansas
Speaker 1: City and I think it's one of these things. I
Speaker 1: think they're transitioning stage one of the dynasty of stage two,
Speaker 1: and you generally don't win in a transition year. But
Speaker 1: as I watched them today, I thought to myself, they
Speaker 1: got about four games to figure this stuff out. I
Speaker 1: think Rashi Rice and Kelsey Patrick completely trusts. I don't
Speaker 1: think they have anything else there. They got a little
Speaker 1: bit of a pop from the running back, their former
Speaker 1: first round.
Speaker 2: Clyde made some plays today.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I still buy Kansas City. I still think they
Speaker 1: can get to the AFC Championship, although after Buffalo's performance,
Speaker 1: I'm not sure where are you on the Chiefs.
Speaker 2: Definitely, I mean I think they are as every bit
Speaker 2: as viable as any team in the AFC because their
Speaker 2: defense on any given game can hold you in the teams.
Speaker 2: And to me, if you can do that, they've been
Speaker 2: winning like that this year, right, I mean, they're going
Speaker 2: to get to leven wins, winning a bunch of games
Speaker 2: scoring between twenty and twenty five points. They not beholden
Speaker 2: like the Lions, for example, of we got to score
Speaker 2: thirty four points to win the game. Like they've been
Speaker 2: used to winning some nineteen seventeen games, right, some twenty
Speaker 2: three twenty one games. Even today, How are you even
Speaker 2: in this game? With the peat? They just do not
Speaker 2: run away from me anymore. Though those days are over.
Speaker 2: I think they gotta regret, you know, passing on Laporta
Speaker 2: last year, because you put a guy like him. If
Speaker 2: they would have drafted, you know, an offensive playmaker on
Speaker 2: this team, just one more guy, they'd be right there.
Speaker 2: Travis kelce I saw mentioned it to Jason on his
Speaker 2: podcast that like, we like Tony, we seeing what he
Speaker 2: does in practice. Like you said, they are beholden to
Speaker 2: his skills because they don't have anyone else that can
Speaker 2: do that. There's a reason they traded for him in
Speaker 2: the middle of the season. But they're much better on defense.
Speaker 2: You know that their talent on defense is better than
Speaker 2: those early era on the Dynasty teams. So it's just
Speaker 2: can the head coach, who's an all time great quarterback,
Speaker 2: all time great, can they make enough plays? Can they
Speaker 2: draw up enough stuff to just get over the hump
Speaker 2: in some of these A lot of the Patriot teams
Speaker 2: that won it, we're never the teams that look like
Speaker 2: the ninety four nine ers or the ninety two Cowboys
Speaker 2: on the roster. Wise, they just outrat they out coach you,
Speaker 2: they out tough you, they outsmarted you. They didn't fuck up.
Speaker 2: They didn't have a big penalty, Like that's a cowboy problem.
Speaker 2: Like at any moment, you're like, oh, they could get
Speaker 2: a fifteen yard penalty, they could do something stupid. They
Speaker 2: did it today when they the guy ran into the plunter.
Speaker 2: You know, you just never know the andy. They're gonna
Speaker 2: have to be very buttoned up and they're just gonna
Speaker 2: have to win. It's not gonna be pretty. They they
Speaker 2: are not if they play Baltimore or the Bills or
Speaker 2: any of these teams in the second or third round. Like,
Speaker 2: I don't expect them to win like thirty to ten,
Speaker 2: right right, You'll be on the edge of your seat
Speaker 2: and it'll pull it out and it'll be like one
Speaker 2: of the great victories of the era. And that's what
Speaker 2: the Patriots had a lot of because they were not
Speaker 2: running away once they played the better teams. And that's
Speaker 2: this version this year. And I think I'm pretty confident
Speaker 2: this offseason they can kind of have a Patriot type Hey, Mike, Evans,
Speaker 2: you want to come here a little less money, We'll
Speaker 2: get you a championship and then draft heavy and some
Speaker 2: offensive skill guys like they always do. But I think
Speaker 2: they're gonna be in the business the next couple of
Speaker 2: years of doing what the Patriots did for a long time,
Speaker 2: getting kind of the older veteran maybe take a little
Speaker 2: less and have a chance to kind of just play
Speaker 2: for a twelve thirteen win team. But they don't have
Speaker 2: that guy right now.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And also the Patriots, their margins were always tight
Speaker 1: except for the Randy Moss years, and they never won
Speaker 1: Super Bowl st So the only time Newing the Blue
Speaker 1: people's doors off was about a three year Randy period.
Speaker 1: So if you go to the early and late stages,
Speaker 1: Patriots won a lot of twenty seven twenty threes a lot,
Speaker 1: and it was coaching and quarterback play and generally a
Speaker 1: big defensive play late. So I think Kansas City's built
Speaker 1: for an AFC championship and beyond. So let's wrap it
Speaker 1: up with New England. So Tom Kern is a reporter
Speaker 1: I've used for years. I trust him. He said, the
Speaker 1: organization's made their mind up. I think it's time. I
Speaker 1: think their tone deaf. It just doesn't work building a statue.
Speaker 1: I don't you know. I was talking to somebody in
Speaker 1: the league who I trust about the Chargers and they said,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm not sure Bill would tolerate kids in
Speaker 1: the front office. Like it just wouldn't work. And that's
Speaker 1: the way the span else's work. Washington's got a lot
Speaker 1: of money and they do have they do have weapons,
Speaker 1: which he's not good at drafting, but they don't have
Speaker 1: the quarterback. He's got a lot of property in Nantucket.
Speaker 1: He's not good in the front office. He can't do
Speaker 1: a parcels and go down to Miami, hire his coach
Speaker 1: and do the drafting. That's not what Bill does. Like
Speaker 1: that's that was parcels or Jimmy. I thought Jimmy Johns
Speaker 1: would always come back and like do a front office
Speaker 1: because Jimmy was such a great personnel guy. I always
Speaker 1: feel I always felt Jimmy would say, I want to coach,
Speaker 1: I want a life, Give me four or five million
Speaker 1: bucks and I'll run the front office six million bucks.
Speaker 1: He didn't. You want to fish And I get it.
Speaker 1: But I can see Belichick just not coaching, can you no?
Speaker 2: Because I've envisioned him as like an eighty three year
Speaker 2: old coaching high school team, you know, coaching the kickers
Speaker 2: and the punters. I think I remember being told a
Speaker 2: long time ago by a guy in college football who's
Speaker 2: close with Saban, and this was when USC was going
Speaker 2: through the clay Heltons. It's like, could USC just offer
Speaker 2: him amount of money he could never refuse? Kind of
Speaker 2: like Texas tried, but even more. And he's like he
Speaker 2: would never come to the West Coast. He's told people
Speaker 2: like he's not honestly, the Austin, Texas was a little
Speaker 2: too West coast he vibe for him. And when I
Speaker 2: think Bill Belichick, I just think the Eastern Seaboard. You know,
Speaker 2: his entire career has been spent there. It kind of
Speaker 2: fits his personality. The type guys it's a little more gruff.
Speaker 2: You can be an asshole, even separate from the organizational
Speaker 2: set up with the Chargers. So I expect him, and
Speaker 2: to me, I think he's earned the right. They should
Speaker 2: fire him, like, not try to trade him, just have
Speaker 2: a clean fire him. Let him choose his destination. You
Speaker 2: shouldn't be worried about him going somewhere. Now I could understand,
Speaker 2: like if the Bills fired McDermott. Would you want him
Speaker 2: go into Division or the Jets, even though he hates
Speaker 2: the Jets, But you never know, maybe out of spite.
Speaker 2: He's kind of a spiteful guy. I think it's tricky
Speaker 2: because he's earned them, him and Tom them so much money. Right,
Speaker 2: he has been one of the great employees in the
Speaker 2: history of America, and now he hasn't been the easiest
Speaker 2: got to deal with. But he's put from the pocketbook.
Speaker 2: So I expect him to go to Washington. That would
Speaker 2: be my best guess would be the Washington Commanders. He's
Speaker 2: their head coach and it probably you know, I don't
Speaker 2: expect them to be some powerhouse and I don't think
Speaker 2: he clearly is still a pretty good defensive coordinator. He
Speaker 2: can bring Josh McDaniels with him, which I think makes
Speaker 2: him a lot more desirable because it's pretty clear like
Speaker 2: without Josh McDaniels, he's not exactly the same guy. Billy
Speaker 2: O'Brien is not as good as an offensive coordinator as
Speaker 2: Josh is. For Bill. But to me, the Washington Commanders,
Speaker 2: doesn't it just make a lot of sense kind of
Speaker 2: that region the area.
Speaker 1: They and they would pay him. They'd make him the
Speaker 1: highest paid guy. They'd give him a five year, one
Speaker 1: hundred million dollar deal and be public twenty million bucks
Speaker 1: a year. By the way, DC, he would be able
Speaker 1: to get on his private jet and go to Nantucket.
Speaker 1: It's close. It would just for his lifestyle. By the way,
Speaker 1: He's got places in Jupiter, Florida, Nantuckett, it's easy. It's
Speaker 1: East Coast.
Speaker 2: I think Tomlin and listen, whether they fire him or not,
Speaker 2: I think it's over a lot. Like Bill, their record
Speaker 2: isn't as bad, but what are we watching? This team
Speaker 2: is worse than they've been. Even if they end up
Speaker 2: going nine and eight, that they stink. I mean, they
Speaker 2: got work To me like Bill, To me, Tomlin has
Speaker 2: a lot of similarities with Andy and McCarthy when they
Speaker 2: both got fired in Philadelphia and Green Bay, and they
Speaker 2: both resurrected their career other places. To me, he's a
Speaker 2: huge personality, he's a big name. I actually think he
Speaker 2: would make a lot of sense with the Chargers. He
Speaker 2: just knows what he's doing. I heard you talking about
Speaker 2: it on Friday.
Speaker 1: So let's do that. He needs right now, Chargers talk.
Speaker 1: So this has been discussed, so I know two network
Speaker 1: executives that would absolutely hire Tomlin tomorrow. For sure. He'd
Speaker 1: be great on TV. But I do think the Chargers
Speaker 1: make sense. He doesn't necessarily give a rip about personnel.
Speaker 1: He would look up and go, here's here's what I
Speaker 1: don't want. I won with a star quarterback. I don't
Speaker 1: want to back up. You could get out of the
Speaker 1: Kenny Pickett situation, which is weird. It's dicey because he's
Speaker 1: a local kid. The Steelers don't want to send him shipping.
Speaker 1: They're going to be totally sensitive with Kenny Pickett, and
Speaker 1: he's just not He's just not good enough period. He's
Speaker 1: like the twelfth best quarterback at thirteenth best quarterback in
Speaker 1: the APC. Like, it doesn't work. I think it's a
Speaker 1: time to exit. You leave, you got super Bowls, you
Speaker 1: have the stories for a month, Networks vying him, vying form.
Speaker 1: I don't think he wants control in the front office.
Speaker 1: He won't get it. So I actually think Tomlin of
Speaker 1: the Chargers makes a ton of sense.
Speaker 2: Yeah, to me, we talk about the Charges a lot
Speaker 2: like the Clippers. Well, what did Balmer do? He went
Speaker 2: out and got Tylu a real coach. Now basketball's a
Speaker 2: little different, But to me, there's a name recognition that
Speaker 2: gives them some just headline power in Los Angeles, and
Speaker 2: he's proven to be very serviceable. And to me, they
Speaker 2: can't afford like Ben Johnson might go on to be
Speaker 2: the next Shanahannah McVeigh, or he might just be like
Speaker 2: the next Joe Judge or some other coordinator who flops.
Speaker 2: They need to get a guy. That's why Belichick, Harbaugh
Speaker 2: Tomlin to me, dan Quinn is a name, but he
Speaker 2: was not that successful when Kyle Shanahan left him. Say
Speaker 2: what you want about Tomlin. He's had a lot of
Speaker 2: different coordinators and he's consistently won. I mean dan Quinn
Speaker 2: bottomed out, you know. Tomlin never bottoms out, and he
Speaker 2: just if you ask Andy Reid and Sean Payton, to
Speaker 2: me the number one coach, they would not want to
Speaker 2: go to the charge, would Belichick right, They probably don't
Speaker 2: have to worry, and then it would be like Jim Harbaum,
Speaker 2: like people that know what they're they would much rather
Speaker 2: sign up for some coordinator who's just going to be
Speaker 2: learning on the job, and that's what the Chargers. I'm
Speaker 2: not confident that they're going to do any of this
Speaker 2: because they have consistently shown two higher coordinators who are
Speaker 2: just cheaper. I don't know how Dean Spanos, who has
Speaker 2: gone through what he's gone through over the last decade
Speaker 2: with the three different coaches, and what just happened on
Speaker 2: Thursday night against Mark Davis. Say what you want about
Speaker 2: Mark Davis, he at least tries to buy people. Josh McDaniels,
Speaker 2: John Gruden. It hasn't worked, is blown up in his face.
Speaker 2: But I give him effort credit, like he's willing to
Speaker 2: spend I don't know the monopoly money that the league
Speaker 2: gives him that the Niners and the Cowboys, you know,
Speaker 2: and the Chiefs are generating on television right now. And
Speaker 2: to me, that's what Dean Spander's like. This is not
Speaker 2: money that he just has to earn on his own.
Speaker 2: He gets handed to it from the league. So just
Speaker 2: give out, you know, some twenty million dollar contract or
Speaker 2: whatever Mike Comlin would cost if he's available, which I
Speaker 2: kind of expect him to get fired and get a
Speaker 2: real coach for the first time since the Marty Schottenheimer era.
Speaker 2: Think about that. That's a long time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, they they and I said this the other
Speaker 1: day the Chargers need a culture creator. Mike McCoy, Anthony Lynn,
Speaker 1: Brandon Staley, whether it's their persona, they're DNA. They're not
Speaker 1: culture creator.
Speaker 2: They're position coaches. Colin, they're position coaches.
Speaker 1: And so to me, Harball's a culture creator. Belichick is
Speaker 1: Tomlin is spend money. I mean, did you see what
Speaker 1: the NFL handed each team this year revenue? Like when
Speaker 1: it's all said, four hundred million, four hundred million dollars,
Speaker 1: You're not going to pay a coach twelve and a half.
Speaker 1: You've got to be kidding me. Look at what Peyton
Speaker 1: has done to that shipwreck in Denver just twelve and
Speaker 1: a half million bucks. You pay your quarterback thirty What
Speaker 1: are we doing here? Like it just that this money
Speaker 1: is the greatest thing to own in America outside of
Speaker 1: maybe Google or Apple. Is an NFL team, just buy
Speaker 1: a coach?
Speaker 2: Well, think about it. Your expense is what's the salary cap?
Speaker 2: Two hundred and ten million dollars, So you have one
Speaker 2: hundred and ninety million dollars. Your sales guys don't cost
Speaker 2: that much money. Your your West Coast scout, I mean,
Speaker 2: you have one hundred ninety million dollars, but that's year
Speaker 2: after year, right, you know, one hundred and twenty five,
Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty that's a lot. What's Dean Spanel's
Speaker 2: doing with all this money? That's not even counting any
Speaker 2: other money that they generate, but they are just unwilling
Speaker 2: to spend it. And you just look at the NFL,
Speaker 2: who are all the best coaches. They're all the guys winning.
Speaker 2: John Harball makes a ton, Adie Reid makes a ton,
Speaker 2: Kyle Shanan makes a ton. Right. I mean it's you
Speaker 2: get what you in college. All the top guys make
Speaker 2: a ton of money. Like that's just the going rate
Speaker 2: for a coach. You cannot be at the bottom of
Speaker 2: the wrong and expect to win and then complain about
Speaker 2: it because they've been doing They've been spinning their wheels
Speaker 2: in the same situation. From a coaching standpoint, I do
Speaker 2: think it gets back to kind of their organizational philosophy.
Speaker 2: A lot of cooks in the kitchen, so they they
Speaker 2: got a lot. This month is a big time for
Speaker 2: them just to do a little looking in the mirror
Speaker 2: and like, do we really want to win or we
Speaker 2: kind of want to do it our way.
Speaker 1: John Middlecoff, the Voice of John Middlecoff three and out.
Speaker 1: You see the hat, that's his podcast. It's he is
Speaker 1: as good a voice on the NFL as there is
Speaker 1: this industry. Every Sunday night we chop it up. It's
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Speaker 1: gonna be breaking down some college football games, probably next week.
Speaker 1: It's great seeing you.
Speaker 2: Good seeing you too, Colin
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