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Speaker 1: Every Sunday, we chop it up for an hour. John Middlecoff,

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Speaker 1: former NFL scout with the Philadelphia Eagles. He's got a

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Speaker 1: down a lot of stuff today. Even one of the

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Speaker 1: Saturday games, we spent about almost fifteen minutes, twelve minutes

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Speaker 1: But we'll start with the Cowboys getting destroyed by the

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Speaker 1: They opened the season nearly beating Miami looked really interesting,

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: Meanwhile, you've got Shane Steichen taking Gardner Minshew and beating

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Speaker 1: the Steelers. You've got Sean McVay. I think Sean McVay

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Speaker 1: from the very beginning, and you just saw a classic, young, smart,

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Speaker 1: It's amazing. He takes a rookie Puka Nakua, he takes

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Speaker 1: that's coaching. Coaching is getting the most out of your players.

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Speaker 1: And here in Los Angeles, nobody got less than Brandon Staley,

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Speaker 1: Tyler Higbee, probably Rob Havenstein didn't play today, the right

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Speaker 1: This team was picked to win five games in Vegas

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Speaker 1: All right, everybody, welcome in. It's the Colin Coward Podcast.

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Speaker 1: You know who I am. I hope by this point

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Speaker 1: Out podcast at the volume you see them all the

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Speaker 1: former NFL scout. We start with the obvious one. I

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Speaker 1: They're off a big win, they're you know, they're This

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just it's one of those things. Dallas is

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Speaker 1: I mean I move off Hackett. I draft another quarterback,

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Speaker 2: Well, I thought today Fangio was trying to end his career.

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Speaker 2: That Miami defense coming off a short week and in

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Speaker 2: I just think when you're beholden to Aaron Rodgers, are

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Speaker 2: them firing him. Now, if I was the owner, I

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Speaker 2: It really was. It's one thing to lose Miami's better

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Speaker 2: an utter disaster because we are seeing so many quarterbacks

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Speaker 2: sudden you get the hallow yards when you're down thirty

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Speaker 1: You know, it's interesting with Aaron. I Aaron. I'm not

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Speaker 2: I mean you have moments where you watch today you go,

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Speaker 2: some money back, and yeah, we brought you here to

428
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Speaker 2: work with this guy. But I don't think Wood he's

429
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Speaker 2: shown to be like the Rooneys and see something out

430
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Speaker 2: and in fairness has Robert Sala and this group really

431
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Speaker 2: earned like the benefit of the doubt that they know

432
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Speaker 2: what they're doing. I like Robert sal seems like a

433
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Speaker 2: great guy, was a good defensive serminator. By no means

434
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Speaker 2: would I put a lot of money on investing on

435
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Speaker 2: him as being like some the next five years, be

436
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Speaker 2: a successful head coach. He has not shown anything even remote.

437
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Speaker 2: He doesn't know anything with offense, so he's very beholden

438
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Speaker 2: to the coordinator. He hired his buddy Lafleur, that failed.

439
00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:44,920
Speaker 2: Now he hired Rogers' buddy. That's been an utter disaster because,

440
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Speaker 2: like we said, even Rogers gets hurt four plays in,

441
00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:51,720
Speaker 2: you should still look consistently a lot better than you've looked.

442
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Speaker 2: Just some innovation, just some being able to move the ball.

443
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Speaker 2: They consistently have halves that I would say the worst

444
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Speaker 2: in the NFL. Them in Carolina Carolinas, I mean the

445
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Speaker 2: worst team we've seen in the while, them in Carolina

446
00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:06,280
Speaker 2: worst offenses. Just I tests, I would imagine the stats

447
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Speaker 2: back it up as well.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so I think I think there's a lot of

449
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Speaker 1: different options. There's a lot of options to the Jets.

450
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Speaker 1: I would go get left tackle. If you start looking

451
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Speaker 1: at the mock drafts right now, they have a chance

452
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Speaker 1: to get the number one or number two left tackle,

453
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Speaker 1: and despite who your quarterback is, you just have to

454
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Speaker 1: get one of them. I'm not putting Aaron out there

455
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Speaker 1: with their current situation, but there's a lot of things

456
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Speaker 1: on the board for the Jets. Now. I want to

457
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Speaker 1: talk about a team that's not very good, but I

458
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Speaker 1: find fascinating. The Cleveland Browns beat the Chicago Bears. Almost

459
00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:42,560
Speaker 1: didn't that Hail Mary should have been caught by movie crazy.

460
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Speaker 1: But the Bears defense is interesting because they had what

461
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Speaker 1: three picks today, They're playing very well, their secondary and

462
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Speaker 1: linebacker crew very well. Matt Eberflews over the last five weeks.

463
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Speaker 1: He's a defensive coach that defense. Now that they've got

464
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Speaker 1: Montese sweat, they've got a great corner. You look at

465
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Speaker 1: it and you're like, Okay, they've been in this system

466
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Speaker 1: a couple of years. I'm not sure I can fire him.

467
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Speaker 1: That looks like he knows his side of the ball.

468
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Speaker 1: And I've said this before when McDermott was getting crushed.

469
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Speaker 1: Our take was always sort of listen, we don't know

470
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Speaker 1: if he has vision, but he's obviously a good detail guy.

471
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Speaker 1: He's Chuck Knox. He'll clean it up. He knows his side.

472
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Speaker 1: He's just not a visionary. Eber Flues may not be

473
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Speaker 1: a visionary. I can't fire him. The defense looks absolutely

474
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Speaker 1: legit despite losing today. They did their job. But the

475
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Speaker 1: question becomes with Justin fields. He again today, he makes plays.

476
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Speaker 1: He had a touchdown drop by a tight end Robert Tanyan.

477
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Speaker 1: But he doesn't win enough games. I don't want to

478
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Speaker 1: hear that. You know, winning's not a quarterback stat. He

479
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Speaker 1: doesn't win enough. I still think at times he doesn't

480
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Speaker 1: see the field. He can be a tatty erratic. I

481
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Speaker 1: move off him. But boy, when I go to Twitter

482
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Speaker 1: and I hear these Chicago fans, there's a lot of love.

483
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Speaker 1: You know. There's a difference they always say with coordinators,

484
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Speaker 1: John calling plays, just calling plays or really calling a game.

485
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Speaker 1: Mcveigh's calling a game. A lot of guys call plays.

486
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Speaker 1: There's also a difference as a quarterback just making incredible

487
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Speaker 1: plays and managing a game like mahomes with an occasional

488
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Speaker 1: great play. I kind of feel like justin Fields is

489
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Speaker 1: just a series of plays. That's how it lands for me.

490
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Speaker 1: I would move off him. I think you could send

491
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Speaker 1: him to Atlanta and get a second two seconds. What

492
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Speaker 1: would you do with Fields?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I haven't changed one iota, no matter

494
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Speaker 2: how many awesome plays he makes with his legs in Maunie,

495
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Speaker 2: how many great throws he makes. I mean that heyl

496
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Speaker 2: Mary today was the thing of beauty right that Oh

497
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Speaker 2: York on it. The way he puts you right there

498
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Speaker 2: in the middle. Thing. His his physical gifts are elite.

499
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Speaker 2: But to me, he's been like he's not coming. He's

500
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Speaker 2: not gonna be the Chicago Bears quarterback next year. I

501
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Speaker 2: actually think though he's earned we keep talking about every

502
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Speaker 2: week a lot of credit, showing a lot of mental

503
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Speaker 2: toughness and even just subtle improvements. And there are we

504
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Speaker 2: keep talking about Atlanta because you know he's front played

505
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Speaker 2: at Georgia for a split second. Makes a lot of sense.

506
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Speaker 1: But they need a quarterback.

507
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Speaker 2: They're gonna be other teams that need quarterbacks. Like I

508
00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:07,160
Speaker 2: watch New England their quarterbacks. It could be a bitting war. Maybe,

509
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:09,080
Speaker 2: like you said, it ends up going from a couple

510
00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:10,840
Speaker 2: of weeks ago, like maybe get a third now, maybe

511
00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:13,320
Speaker 2: get a couple twos. Who knows. So it seems like

512
00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:15,919
Speaker 2: a good guy. People like them. Teammates are rallying around him.

513
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Speaker 2: But to me, you're not passing on the number one

514
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Speaker 2: overall pick New. I do think it's a big question though,

515
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Speaker 2: with the coach, because at one point in time you

516
00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:24,680
Speaker 2: look up at seventeen to seven, they're beating the shit

517
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Speaker 2: out of the Browns like it's gonna be difficult now,

518
00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:30,199
Speaker 2: a little like the Jets, kind of just functional organization

519
00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:33,120
Speaker 2: they have, you know, a former Big ten commissioner who's

520
00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:36,200
Speaker 2: trying to get power. Is the GM gonna stay? What's

521
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:40,440
Speaker 2: really going on? Owners old school? So I still think

522
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Speaker 2: a lot of stuff's on the table there. But eba

523
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Speaker 2: Flus is proven to be a really good defensive coach

524
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Speaker 2: this year. Yes, I mean their defense is vastly improved. Listen. Yeah,

525
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Speaker 2: I was critical of the sweat thing today. He was dominant.

526
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Speaker 2: He looked like Nick Boster, Miles Garrett. But do you

527
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Speaker 2: want him to be your head coach with a young

528
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Speaker 2: quarterback moving forward, and do you just give them, well,

529
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Speaker 2: we'll give him one more year, and then you're firing

530
00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:04,520
Speaker 2: them a year in to your rookie quarterback. But I

531
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Speaker 2: don't think that you get the opportunity with Carolina to

532
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Speaker 2: get the number one overall pick and then pass on it.

533
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Speaker 2: I just think, especially with a guy who's really really talented,

534
00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:14,720
Speaker 2: some years, one hundred percent, you would just roll it

535
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Speaker 2: through another year. With Fields, I don't think you do

536
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Speaker 2: it this year.

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Speaker 1: Also, they have two firsts, a third, two fourth, and

538
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Speaker 1: a fifth. You could absolutely replace your second round pick.

539
00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:27,239
Speaker 1: You can get a second for justin Fields. So now

540
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Speaker 1: I've got two first, a second, a third, two force.

541
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Speaker 1: That's potentially you know, that's you're talking six really good players.

542
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:36,760
Speaker 1: And it's interesting they have good players on the roster

543
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:40,320
Speaker 1: now too. They have a number one receiver, they have

544
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Speaker 1: a left, they have two tackles. Yea, they have Caleb Williams.

545
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Speaker 1: I even like their offensive coordinator. I know, you know,

546
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:49,800
Speaker 1: we always blame the offensive coordinator, but they've they've got

547
00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:54,520
Speaker 1: their pieces here. I'm never gonna love their ownership, right,

548
00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:56,920
Speaker 1: I'm never gonna love it. I would prefer an offensive

549
00:27:56,960 --> 00:28:00,239
Speaker 1: coach but they've got the tight ends, a number one receiver. Now,

550
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Speaker 1: they have a dominant guy up front. Defensively, they have

551
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Speaker 1: a star corner Johnson, they have incredibly Now they're expensive

552
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:12,320
Speaker 1: but active linebackers playing very well. So I'm with you.

553
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Speaker 1: I just think you can talk yourself into a lot

554
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Speaker 1: of things. But the Houston Texans are a different team

555
00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:25,560
Speaker 1: because of C. J. Stroud. Yeah, okay, Like it changes

556
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:28,840
Speaker 1: the dynamic. And if you don't have a star offensive

557
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:31,560
Speaker 1: coach like a Shanahan, like a McVeigh or a Shane

558
00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:36,200
Speaker 1: Steichen and the Chicago doesn't, then you need a star quarterback.

559
00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:39,800
Speaker 1: It just changes the entire temperature of the franchise. And

560
00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:43,080
Speaker 1: I like Justin, but I think it now becomes people

561
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:45,720
Speaker 1: trying to talk themselves into him instead of just going,

562
00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:48,480
Speaker 1: we don't win. There's too many turnovers. He's been banged

563
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Speaker 1: up by the way in his career, he's struggled to

564
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Speaker 1: have a full season without missing a game. I think

565
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Speaker 1: it's time.

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Speaker 2: Well, for example, watching Arizona and the Niners today, Arizona's

567
00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:00,880
Speaker 2: team's terrible. I mean, their rosters really bad. That quarterback's

568
00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:04,360
Speaker 2: a real big talent. He's not big, he's small, but

569
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Speaker 2: he is really really talented. I think if you're the Bears,

570
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:08,720
Speaker 2: like if you put him on the Bears with the

571
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Speaker 2: roster they had, like Kyler Murray and I think, you

572
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:14,640
Speaker 2: know CAYLEB Williams kind of not his fast version of Kyler,

573
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:18,440
Speaker 2: but enormous arm accurate. I think you immediately have a

574
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Speaker 2: chance to be competitive next year, right, especially if you

575
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Speaker 2: hit on some other picks that they they they're going

576
00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:26,360
Speaker 2: to be a fascinating offseason team. To me, it just

577
00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:28,680
Speaker 2: starts with the coach, and I think I think you

578
00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:30,960
Speaker 2: got to move on. I give him a lot of

579
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Speaker 2: credit for this, because it felt like at one moment

580
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Speaker 2: a couple of months ago, the ship was going to sink,

581
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Speaker 2: and eber flews to me as an immediate like is

582
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Speaker 2: he the number one defensive coordinator option on the open market?

583
00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:44,040
Speaker 2: But I would try to get an offense. I mean,

584
00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:46,400
Speaker 2: I still think Jim Harbaugh makes a lot of sense there.

585
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Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, let's and there's a lot of different

586
00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:54,440
Speaker 1: things to talk about here. Let's I want to talk

587
00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:56,720
Speaker 1: a little bit about green Bay. So we all kind

588
00:29:56,760 --> 00:30:00,520
Speaker 1: of fell in love with green Bay and then they

589
00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:04,840
Speaker 1: come out today, the Packers, and they don't now I

590
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:08,160
Speaker 1: will say Jordan Love and the reed. The wide receiver

591
00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:11,880
Speaker 1: from Michigan State, Jaden Reid had a one of the

592
00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:15,920
Speaker 1: better throws and catches on the season today. But I'm

593
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Speaker 1: gonna look up. I'm gonna look up something very quickly.

594
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Speaker 1: What do we do with Green Bay? Now? So Baker

595
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Speaker 1: Mayfield and that defense, Joe Berry's defense. Baker had three

596
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:30,000
Speaker 1: hundred and eighty yards, four touchdowns, and a couple of

597
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:33,040
Speaker 1: weeks ago, I kind of felt like I really like

598
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Speaker 1: this team, and then as I watched them today, I

599
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:37,560
Speaker 1: was like, no, I really do like this team. They

600
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Speaker 1: need a defensive coordinator change, but I wonder I see

601
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Speaker 1: it with Green Bay. I think there's a lot there.

602
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:47,479
Speaker 1: I think they're such a young team, Like sometimes you'll

603
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:49,200
Speaker 1: watch a team and you're like, they're just a year away.

604
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Speaker 1: They are a bunch of kids. It was we probably

605
00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:54,600
Speaker 1: should have thought that with Josh Allen his first big year,

606
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Speaker 1: Like what do we do it? We're falling in love

607
00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:58,200
Speaker 1: with this boxer who doesn't have a jab, Like they're

608
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Speaker 1: just big. I watched Green Bay and I like sort

609
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:04,520
Speaker 1: of the direction they're going. But today to get gashed

610
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:08,120
Speaker 1: by Tampa, am I over my skis on Green Bay.

611
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:11,400
Speaker 1: Are they just actually a pretty average football team today?

612
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:13,160
Speaker 2: I had the Bears on one screen in Green Bay

613
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:15,120
Speaker 2: and another. I thought, if you could combine the two,

614
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Speaker 2: take the green Bay offense and the Bears defense, No

615
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:20,120
Speaker 2: one want to play him in the playoffs, right, I

616
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:22,000
Speaker 2: mean they got I think the average age of the

617
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:24,720
Speaker 2: receivers are twenty three. Obviously, the running backs are good.

618
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:28,360
Speaker 2: Lafleur's a good coordinator. Love is dramatically improved over the

619
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Speaker 2: course of the year. I mean, Joe Barry has been

620
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:32,680
Speaker 2: a guy they've talked about in Green Bay. Let's face it,

621
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Speaker 2: this goes back to the McCarthy era. Their defenses have

622
00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:37,880
Speaker 2: just not been good on all their playoff teams, and

623
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Speaker 2: this team's not going to go to the playoffs more

624
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:41,840
Speaker 2: than likely. But their defense to day with Swiss cheese,

625
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:44,640
Speaker 2: and they've invested a ton of picks. They spend a

626
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:47,360
Speaker 2: bunch of money. They are not physical, They don't make

627
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:50,840
Speaker 2: open field tackles. Their dbs don't make any plays. I mean,

628
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Speaker 2: Baker Mayfield. They have skill guys, right, Mike Evans good player,

629
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Speaker 2: god Win good player there. Running back White I don't

630
00:31:57,440 --> 00:31:59,360
Speaker 2: know that much about him, but he's a talented player

631
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:03,680
Speaker 2: annihilated Green Bay. So it's this. You go to an offseason,

632
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Speaker 2: you invest in a new defensive coordinator, maybe you get

633
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:08,560
Speaker 2: eber Flus, Maybe you get you know, if Todd Bowles

634
00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:10,640
Speaker 2: is available, if they fire him intent you know, you

635
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:12,840
Speaker 2: get Dennis Allen if he gets fired in New Orleans.

636
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:15,720
Speaker 2: Whoever doesn't make and get the top guy because Joe

637
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:19,480
Speaker 2: Barry was Lafour's buddy from the Rams, and I think

638
00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:22,720
Speaker 2: sometimes the Shanahan guys. This happens a lot in college.

639
00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:25,400
Speaker 2: You kind of hire the guys you know and listen.

640
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:27,280
Speaker 2: People like the guy, but he's a position coach. You

641
00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:30,560
Speaker 2: put him at defensive coordinator. It's been an embarrassment. Now

642
00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:33,160
Speaker 2: you could argue maybe it's the players. Maybe their players

643
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:36,600
Speaker 2: are a little overrated, but today was really bad because

644
00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:40,200
Speaker 2: their offense has played, for the most part, really really

645
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:42,720
Speaker 2: well in winning football. I mean last week the Veto

646
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:45,320
Speaker 2: ran for seventy yards on them in big spots on

647
00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:47,760
Speaker 2: Monday Night football. It was the defense. This is this

648
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:50,600
Speaker 2: isn't Kyler Murray or Lamar Jack. You can't let Tommy

649
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:54,560
Speaker 2: DeVito have seven carries for seventy yards in big spots,

650
00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:56,880
Speaker 2: picking up big first downs. So yeah, at the end

651
00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:59,040
Speaker 2: of the day, their special teams let him down. A

652
00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:01,600
Speaker 2: couple of years, their defense let him down. I think

653
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:04,920
Speaker 2: Lafleur has to find a way to button up his

654
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:08,000
Speaker 2: operation because clearly he can handle the offense and they've

655
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:11,240
Speaker 2: always been able. Going back to Ted Thompson, find guys

656
00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:13,800
Speaker 2: in the draft, the Jordy Nelson's, the Drivers, the DeVante.

657
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:16,720
Speaker 2: That's never going to be their problem. Quarterbacks. Hell, they

658
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:19,240
Speaker 2: can find those guys. They might be the Steelers of

659
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:21,800
Speaker 2: the quarterbacks, right, the Steelers with wide receivers, then with quarterbacks.

660
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:24,800
Speaker 2: But defensively, this is the best. The Niners defense is good.

661
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:26,600
Speaker 2: That's the Eagles problem right now. How do you take

662
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:29,200
Speaker 2: them seriously as a Super Bowl contender if their defense

663
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:31,960
Speaker 2: is going to be a problem, right, and it's the

664
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:35,160
Speaker 2: big offseason question mark, will they fire his friend, which

665
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:37,440
Speaker 2: sometimes can be hard in football, and then will you

666
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:39,440
Speaker 2: go out and pay a top defense? I mean, Vick

667
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:42,880
Speaker 2: Fangil costs five million dollars, Yeah, that's what it costs.

668
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:45,240
Speaker 2: These guys in the SEC make a couple million dollars.

669
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:47,720
Speaker 2: The defensive coordinator. Yeah, this is not You're not hiring

670
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:50,160
Speaker 2: a six hundred and fifty thousand dollars defensive coordinator here.

671
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:52,200
Speaker 1: Yeah that's UCLA.

672
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:53,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly exactly.

673
00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:58,960
Speaker 1: So it is interesting though, because the best quarterback is

674
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:02,920
Speaker 1: winning all these divisions almost down the line. Baker Mayfield's

675
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:04,640
Speaker 1: the best quarterback in this division. He was a number

676
00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:07,240
Speaker 1: one pick. Nothing against Derek Carr. I defended him for years,

677
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:09,920
Speaker 1: but my ship has sailed When a coach takes him

678
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:11,920
Speaker 1: out in the red zone for Taysom Hill. You know,

679
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:14,880
Speaker 1: it's like, all right, you're telling me something. So Baker's

680
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:17,720
Speaker 1: the best quarterback, probably most talented quarterback in the division.

681
00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:21,080
Speaker 1: Tampa has a chance to win this division. And now

682
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:23,600
Speaker 1: they're going to draft near you know, at the bottom

683
00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:26,719
Speaker 1: third of the first round. You're not getting your quarterback.

684
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:29,920
Speaker 1: You'd have to wholesale sell it. And my takeaway with

685
00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:34,320
Speaker 1: performances like this from Baker, if it's a reasonable contract,

686
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:37,759
Speaker 1: is it the craziest thing to say he's the best

687
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:40,240
Speaker 1: quarterback in the division. We can get him for twenty

688
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:42,160
Speaker 1: eight million or whatever it would be. Wouldn't have to

689
00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:44,040
Speaker 1: pay thirty eight forty eight We're not going to pay that.

690
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:48,880
Speaker 1: Baker probably you're you know, Baker's now no state tax. Tampa.

691
00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:53,400
Speaker 1: Good receivers. Not dysfunctional Cleveland. Tampa is actually a highly

692
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:56,480
Speaker 1: functional team. I mean they've drafted very well for years.

693
00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:58,600
Speaker 1: When I covered him with McKay, they drafted well. They've

694
00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:01,120
Speaker 1: always had they've had good goach good players. They really

695
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:04,120
Speaker 1: have not done the quarterback position particularly well. But you

696
00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:06,840
Speaker 1: go from Tommy and now you go to Baker a

697
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:09,919
Speaker 1: number one pick. Does Baker have a chance this year

698
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:12,640
Speaker 1: they draft a quarterback fourth round, you just get another year.

699
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:15,840
Speaker 2: Yeah. To me, Baker's like a one year, fifteen million

700
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:17,600
Speaker 2: dollars a year guy. I think this year is like

701
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:21,279
Speaker 2: one four, one five. Now to me, I can't give

702
00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:23,319
Speaker 2: him twenty five to thirty million dollars because he's had

703
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:25,920
Speaker 2: a lot of games, and ultimately me, he's like a

704
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:29,000
Speaker 2: fringe backup, probably somewhere in the twenties. But he has

705
00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:30,719
Speaker 2: the talent. When he looks good, he looks like a

706
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:33,680
Speaker 2: legitimate starter. But then next week he'll go struggle to

707
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:36,640
Speaker 2: throw for one hundred and fifty you know yards. So yeah,

708
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:39,720
Speaker 2: probably roll it back, especially if you're drafted twenty help.

709
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:42,520
Speaker 2: You could bring him back on a one year fifteen million,

710
00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:44,839
Speaker 2: one year twelve million dollars and still draft a guy

711
00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:47,280
Speaker 2: at twenty. If you like him, he kind of becomes

712
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:49,200
Speaker 2: your version of Gino Smith because the one thing you

713
00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:51,920
Speaker 2: gotta givehim a lot of credit. Colin is unlike Cleveland,

714
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:54,080
Speaker 2: where everyone was like kind of over him. They like

715
00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:58,040
Speaker 2: him there. Jason Leisman outspoken. The players like him, so listen.

716
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:01,600
Speaker 2: Men mature a little later sometimes, and he leads him

717
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:04,080
Speaker 2: to the playoffs be big for him. It'd be big

718
00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:06,239
Speaker 2: for Todd Bowles. I mean, it'd be a pretty big moment.

719
00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:08,280
Speaker 2: Back to back playoffs, even if it's a shitty division.

720
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:11,600
Speaker 2: That's that's back to back home playoff games for the ownership.

721
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:14,640
Speaker 1: Okay, so Atlanta doesn't have a quarterback even if they

722
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:18,360
Speaker 1: went and got Justin Field. Ridder's awful bake. Yeah, Ridder's awful.

723
00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 1: But Justin Fields has not proven to be a winning

724
00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:24,200
Speaker 1: quarterback yet. Derek Carr Saints are tied to that for

725
00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:27,480
Speaker 1: two more years. So Baker's more talented. Throw over the.

726
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:31,120
Speaker 2: Football Caroline is a disaster disaster.

727
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:33,640
Speaker 1: So my takeaway is I'd roll the dice with Baker

728
00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:35,640
Speaker 1: one more year. He's still be the best quarterback of Monivation.

729
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:37,719
Speaker 2: I think he'll be. I think he'll be back. Jason

730
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:38,640
Speaker 2: light likes him a lot.

731
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:42,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, and there you know there is something. There is

732
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:45,719
Speaker 1: something about Baker is that if you have Baker, there

733
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:49,480
Speaker 1: is a certain edge like he does bring. People think

734
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:51,960
Speaker 1: I hate Baker. I really don't. I've had experiences with

735
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:54,400
Speaker 1: people that know him. I like Baker. I think Baker.

736
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:56,560
Speaker 1: I've always said he's one of the thirty two best

737
00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:58,879
Speaker 1: quarterbacks in the planet. There's no question in my mind.

738
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:03,400
Speaker 1: He's a very emotional player. So he gets down on himself.

739
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:05,359
Speaker 1: I mean he can do the roller coaster. I mean

740
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:09,360
Speaker 1: he can be brilliant and awful in two drives. So

741
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:13,319
Speaker 1: he's very led by emotion. And you know, certain guys

742
00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:16,920
Speaker 1: are certain guys are not. But I think Baker. I

743
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:19,800
Speaker 1: think I would I draft another quarterback third fourth round.

744
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:22,920
Speaker 1: I would absolutely have no problem rolling the dice. And

745
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:25,960
Speaker 1: to your point, Bowls does a pretty good job, Todd

746
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:27,640
Speaker 1: Bows does a pretty good job on the defensive end.

747
00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:31,960
Speaker 1: Wouldn't shock anybody if they went to Detroit and won, No,

748
00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:35,120
Speaker 1: it wouldn't shock me. Like I don't think it shocked

749
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:36,799
Speaker 1: me if the Rams went to Dallas in one I

750
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:39,520
Speaker 1: mean this year in the NFC, outside of the Niners,

751
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:40,000
Speaker 1: who do I.

752
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:42,800
Speaker 2: Love well to me today's news on the Eagles and listen,

753
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:45,080
Speaker 2: I've been in that building. It can be tight. You know.

754
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:49,400
Speaker 2: It's just an intense coming into this season beside the Chiefs.

755
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:51,480
Speaker 2: To me, the Eagles and the Niners, it was kind

756
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:53,400
Speaker 2: of super Bowl or bust. You have a couple of

757
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:55,440
Speaker 2: weeks like that. All of a sudden, they're making a

758
00:37:55,480 --> 00:38:00,239
Speaker 2: defensive coordinator change in December seventeenth. What's their record? Ten

759
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:03,640
Speaker 2: and two? It's pretty crazy, So they're not feeling great.

760
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 2: The Lions at any moment can look like they did

761
00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:09,600
Speaker 2: on Saturday night or look awful. Beside the forty nine ers,

762
00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:11,880
Speaker 2: everyone in the NFC is a complete coin flip. You

763
00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:14,520
Speaker 2: wouldn't be shocked if anyone beats another team. We don't

764
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:17,800
Speaker 2: even know. I mean, the amount of different playoff teams

765
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:19,560
Speaker 2: that could get in, it wouldn't shock you. If the

766
00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:21,879
Speaker 2: Saints and Tampa get in, it wouldn't shock you. Neither

767
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:23,680
Speaker 2: gets you know, it's like, who knows how this whole

768
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:25,800
Speaker 2: thing's gonna play out. You can't trust any of these teams.

769
00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:31,320
Speaker 1: So now let's move to a Saturday special. Denver getting

770
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:34,960
Speaker 1: buried by Detroit. So I was thinking about this watching

771
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:38,080
Speaker 1: Detroit so they're a very good Dome team. Goff's a

772
00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:40,640
Speaker 1: very good dome quarterback. He's had at least two touchdown

773
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:44,360
Speaker 1: passes in five straight indoor games. So they could potentially

774
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:49,920
Speaker 1: play Tampa warm Weather at home, Dallas warm Weather rams

775
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:53,760
Speaker 1: so far. So there's a lot of matchups. Obviously, Philadelphia,

776
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:56,319
Speaker 1: a team struggling, is not where they'd be at their

777
00:38:56,360 --> 00:39:00,760
Speaker 1: best on the road cold Weather. But I'll tell you,

778
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:04,839
Speaker 1: in most organizations, John the quarterback and the coach, it's

779
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:07,880
Speaker 1: the star. I think the front office for the Lions

780
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:13,799
Speaker 1: is their star, Laporta, Gibbs. Everybody knocks some of their

781
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:17,400
Speaker 1: draft picks. These guys are unbelievable. I look at that

782
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:20,600
Speaker 1: roster and it's very rare, John, that a team wins

783
00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:22,680
Speaker 1: the division and scores a lot of points and we

784
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:25,680
Speaker 1: don't look at their coach or their quarterback as driving it.

785
00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:28,240
Speaker 1: I think this is one of the better front offices

786
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:30,320
Speaker 1: in the NFL drafting the last three years.

787
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:33,400
Speaker 2: Totally agree. I mean Brad Holmes that draft day trade

788
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:36,440
Speaker 2: he made to get Gibbs and then ultimately Laporta has

789
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:38,879
Speaker 2: a chance to go down. It's like a franchise altering move.

790
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:41,879
Speaker 2: The other thing is because he was a Rams guy

791
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:45,000
Speaker 2: and knew Jared Goff. The forty nine ers offered the

792
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:48,560
Speaker 2: same deal to the Detroit Lions for Matt Stafford, but

793
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:52,040
Speaker 2: it was Jimmy Garoppolo. He said, no, I'd rather have

794
00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:53,960
Speaker 2: the same deal with the Rams and Jared Goff and

795
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:56,319
Speaker 2: a lot of people at the time. I mean, the

796
00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:58,400
Speaker 2: way we're all talking about Jared Goff now is a

797
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:00,440
Speaker 2: lot different than people were talking about couple of years

798
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:02,239
Speaker 2: ago when he was about to get traded, and that

799
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:04,600
Speaker 2: honestly has changed their franchise because we talked about Baker

800
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:06,600
Speaker 2: and a lot of these guys being these bridge quarterbacks.

801
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:08,759
Speaker 2: Jared Goff is more than that now. Is he a

802
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:10,719
Speaker 2: top five guy? Of course not. This is he a

803
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:13,319
Speaker 2: top ten guy depending on the week. Most times he's

804
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:16,040
Speaker 2: somewhere between like twelve and fifteen. But for them in

805
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:18,600
Speaker 2: that dome, they also play Minnesota, which is also a

806
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:22,960
Speaker 2: Dome team, pretty good spot. So yeah, that trade. A

807
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:25,839
Speaker 2: lot of people on the internet crushed. You can't take

808
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:28,239
Speaker 2: a running back. It's like the draft was awful and

809
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:30,440
Speaker 2: that running back and this is what Dan Campbell said

810
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:32,200
Speaker 2: at the time, who was with Sean Payton, was like

811
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:35,360
Speaker 2: his mentor in New Orleans. It reminded us of Alvin Kamara,

812
00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:37,680
Speaker 2: and you're watching him last night. He's like a Christian

813
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:40,280
Speaker 2: mccafee Avin Kamar. He can catch the ball and Laporta

814
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:45,040
Speaker 2: looks like Kelsey meets Kittle, So he is abs.

815
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:47,479
Speaker 1: You know, tight end. I was told this years ago

816
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:50,200
Speaker 1: by an executive. He said, tight End's tough for rookies.

817
00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:52,480
Speaker 1: Even ken Caid and Buffalo can disappear because for the

818
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:55,080
Speaker 1: first time in your life, you're gonna be asked to

819
00:40:55,239 --> 00:41:01,840
Speaker 1: block seventeen weeks. Now, certain programs like Utah asked from Kincaid.

820
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:05,719
Speaker 1: Utah ask your tight ends to block. Not all of

821
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:08,759
Speaker 1: them do. Hell, some of these programs in college don't

822
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:10,719
Speaker 1: ask their offensive lineman to block much. R it's just

823
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:13,400
Speaker 1: pushing guys around. So tight ends come to the NFL

824
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:16,399
Speaker 1: and it's John You know this. It's a two three

825
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:18,560
Speaker 1: year process to get these guys ramped up. They go

826
00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:22,440
Speaker 1: up against and coaches like McVeigh Higbee has to block.

827
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:24,040
Speaker 1: You're not on a field if you don't block.

828
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:27,240
Speaker 2: So why these Iowa tight ends have so much success.

829
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:30,600
Speaker 1: That's right. They're physical and that's a great point. So

830
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:33,040
Speaker 1: in the NFL, tight ends are asked to block. It

831
00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 1: usually is one of those positions. To think, that guy

832
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:37,920
Speaker 1: was so good in college, what's happened? He's getting locked

833
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:43,319
Speaker 1: up sixty snaps. So when I watch a tight end

834
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:47,080
Speaker 1: come into the NFL and he's a top three to

835
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:50,160
Speaker 1: four tight end in the league, you're looking this is

836
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:53,160
Speaker 1: like an Antonio Gates moment or a Winslow moment or

837
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:55,279
Speaker 1: a Kittle moment, where it's like, this is not a

838
00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:58,480
Speaker 1: fluke to be that good as a rookie tight end,

839
00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:01,120
Speaker 1: you are completely different than the rest of the league

840
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:02,680
Speaker 1: at that space. I mean, that's what I see.

841
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:05,720
Speaker 2: Well, he's not only a star. That position doesn't cost

842
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:09,080
Speaker 2: much money. So once you extend them, they don't cost

843
00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:12,560
Speaker 2: what wide receivers costs. They cost half as much. Right,

844
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:15,640
Speaker 2: the top wide receivers make thirty million dollars. Kittle Kelsey

845
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:18,799
Speaker 2: they make fourteen to fifteen million dollars. So the other thing,

846
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:21,440
Speaker 2: it's an incredible value on your salary cap. So when

847
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:23,800
Speaker 2: you hit a home run. If you draft Brock Bauers

848
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:25,839
Speaker 2: in this upcoming draft in the top ten and then

849
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:28,319
Speaker 2: he becomes a top five player, he actually becomes a

850
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:30,520
Speaker 2: top five player in the league. Who's cheap, so it

851
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:33,360
Speaker 2: enables you to even buy and spend more money on

852
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:36,959
Speaker 2: other players. So from an economical standpoint on the salary cap,

853
00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:39,120
Speaker 2: you could argue it's the best value that if you

854
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:41,440
Speaker 2: get a star middle linebacker because they don't cost what

855
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:45,240
Speaker 2: defensive ends or left tackles or quarterbacks cost. But Fred Warner,

856
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:47,080
Speaker 2: what's his impact? I don't know. It's like a ten

857
00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:49,960
Speaker 2: out of ten, right, what's Dronk or Kittle or Kelsey

858
00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:52,959
Speaker 2: when they're on no one can stop them, but they don't.

859
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:54,880
Speaker 2: You don't have to pay him this much. To me,

860
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:59,480
Speaker 2: what I also think Dan Campbell, if they win eleven

861
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:01,839
Speaker 2: or twelve and win the division, I think he has

862
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:03,000
Speaker 2: to be the coach of the year. When you just

863
00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:05,600
Speaker 2: look at the Detroit Lions in ninety years, they've won

864
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:08,839
Speaker 2: double digit games nine times. For example, Andy Reid when

865
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:11,919
Speaker 2: he wins double digits this year, has eighteen double digit

866
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:14,560
Speaker 2: win seasons in his career. So the Lions, like, if

867
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:16,759
Speaker 2: you go, if Josh Levy, the dude that just from

868
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:19,319
Speaker 2: Oklahoma and went to Mississippi State, if they become a

869
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:23,040
Speaker 2: perennial playoff team, we go, that's incredible, right, But you

870
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:24,800
Speaker 2: don't get as much credit when you do it at Georgia,

871
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:27,399
Speaker 2: Ohio State what you're doing in Detroit. And you can say,

872
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:30,520
Speaker 2: well equality in the NFL, that's not true with the Lions.

873
00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:33,759
Speaker 2: They never win, and that he won nine games last year.

874
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:35,960
Speaker 2: He's gonna win eleven or twelve and win the division

875
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:38,560
Speaker 2: pretty easily. And they're just good. Like you said, they're

876
00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:39,959
Speaker 2: gonna be hard to beat at home, and they're gonna

877
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:41,920
Speaker 2: get a home playoff game because in a dome, they're

878
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:43,719
Speaker 2: very comfortable and they're very fast. Like how do you

879
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:45,600
Speaker 2: cover all these guys? They actually have a lot in

880
00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:48,120
Speaker 2: common with like the forty nine ers all their position,

881
00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:51,040
Speaker 2: they all speed guys. They all can break tackles. How

882
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:54,520
Speaker 2: good Saint Brown? Their defense is pretty questionable. But if

883
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:56,839
Speaker 2: you can score thirty five points, like try to beat

884
00:43:56,880 --> 00:43:58,120
Speaker 2: me well.

885
00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:01,279
Speaker 1: And also Dan's created a culture. They're a kind of

886
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:05,600
Speaker 1: relentless attacking team. Is he a great schematic coach? I

887
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:08,040
Speaker 1: doubt it, but he has created a culture and for

888
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:11,640
Speaker 1: years that's what Detroit lacked. They had players Hell Stafford,

889
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:14,280
Speaker 1: Barry Sanders, Calvin Joons.

890
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:15,960
Speaker 2: Dominican Sue. I mean, they've had good guys.

891
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:19,040
Speaker 1: They've always they're like Tampa. You know, they've always had

892
00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:22,960
Speaker 1: good players. I do want to segue to Sean Payton

893
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:25,120
Speaker 1: and blowing up with Russell Wilson. So I think I

894
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:31,080
Speaker 1: told you this that I think the frustration for Sean

895
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:34,080
Speaker 1: Payton with Russell Wilson. He's not as athletic as Taysom

896
00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:36,880
Speaker 1: Hill and he's not as good a pocket passer as

897
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:40,319
Speaker 1: Drew Brees. So he feels like, you know what I mean,

898
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:42,640
Speaker 1: Remember when he signed that extension for Taysom Hill, we

899
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:47,080
Speaker 1: all went, Sean, you're crazy. Sean wants hyper athleticism or

900
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:50,359
Speaker 1: hyper accuracy, and with Russell it's a lot of dink

901
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:52,440
Speaker 1: and dunk underneath stuff. And he's not as twitchy as

902
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:54,840
Speaker 1: he was a couple years ago. He's clearly a franchise quarterback.

903
00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:58,000
Speaker 1: But he went off on him earlier in the year

904
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:01,439
Speaker 1: on the thing around his risk right, like he wasn't

905
00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:04,400
Speaker 1: learning to place. He went off on him again. And

906
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:06,920
Speaker 1: I always say this when you're going If you go

907
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:10,120
Speaker 1: to a party and a couple's arguing, like how bad

908
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:12,040
Speaker 1: is it in the car ride home? How bad is

909
00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:14,840
Speaker 1: it at home? If you can't hide the anguish, Sean

910
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:18,520
Speaker 1: is blown up with Russell at the podium on the sidelines,

911
00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:21,720
Speaker 1: and maybe Sean's more emotional than much coaches most coaches,

912
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:24,879
Speaker 1: but when I look at Russell and Sean, I don't

913
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:27,759
Speaker 1: think it works. I just don't think it works. I

914
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:30,600
Speaker 1: don't think Shawn's ever going to buy in. I think

915
00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:32,600
Speaker 1: he's done the best job he feels he can do.

916
00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:35,520
Speaker 1: But I think he's a difficult player based on the

917
00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:37,920
Speaker 1: fact that Sean feels he's getting a bee guy at

918
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:39,279
Speaker 1: both passing and athletically.

919
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:41,440
Speaker 2: Well, to me, the one thing with Sean Payton is

920
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:44,360
Speaker 2: he has obviously Bill Parcell's guy. He's got some Belichick

921
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:47,319
Speaker 2: Walsh inm He's pretty cutthroat. So to me, if he's

922
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:49,239
Speaker 2: over him, he will not be on this team next year.

923
00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:51,880
Speaker 2: And it's all It's been well reported on the money

924
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:53,560
Speaker 2: how they can eat some of it and just kind

925
00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:56,400
Speaker 2: of be rid of the contract and have it directly

926
00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:59,799
Speaker 2: impact their salary cap for one year and then just

927
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:03,359
Speaker 2: to be somewhat rid of themselves from it. But I'm

928
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:05,080
Speaker 2: with you. I mean, he even said I was yelling

929
00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:08,120
Speaker 2: at him just because I was frustrated everything he really

930
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:10,959
Speaker 2: wants to yell at him all the time, I would imagine, right,

931
00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:13,840
Speaker 2: and he's let's face it, when you go into a

932
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:17,440
Speaker 2: new relationship and your previous relationship is the best relationship

933
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:19,799
Speaker 2: you're probably ever gonna have. He compares everything to Drew

934
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:23,799
Speaker 2: Brees and Russell just strictly is not that from And listen,

935
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:26,200
Speaker 2: Russell's not a bad guy, not getting any trouble. He

936
00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:30,080
Speaker 2: works hard, but ultimately this is like it's a result

937
00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:32,880
Speaker 2: oriented business. So all that stuff's great, but then we

938
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:35,600
Speaker 2: play the games, so do you get the job done?

939
00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:38,600
Speaker 2: And last night they weren't even close. Now, the Detroit

940
00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:41,719
Speaker 2: Lions are just a better football team. They have much

941
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:44,800
Speaker 2: more talent on offense than that team has on offense.

942
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:48,480
Speaker 2: But there's been countless times where they have won in

943
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:50,840
Speaker 2: almost in spite of him. I mean, their defense is

944
00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:53,319
Speaker 2: played beside last night or two nights ago, a lot

945
00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:56,480
Speaker 2: better over the course of their run. But if I

946
00:46:56,560 --> 00:46:59,080
Speaker 2: was a betting man right now, Russell Wilson will not

947
00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:01,279
Speaker 2: be on the team now. And know how they facilitate that.

948
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:03,399
Speaker 2: They eat money, they trade them, they cut them. How

949
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:07,160
Speaker 2: it goes down. But we've seen enough. Sean Payton earned

950
00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:08,759
Speaker 2: a lot of credit because at one point early on

951
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:10,839
Speaker 2: in the season, like is this gonna work? And then

952
00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:13,239
Speaker 2: he got the thing clearly knows what he's doing. If

953
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:15,440
Speaker 2: he wants them gone, he will be gone. Because that's

954
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:17,000
Speaker 2: how the NFL works, right. This is what we talk

955
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:19,960
Speaker 2: about with Rogers the quarterback, that the players don't get

956
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:22,719
Speaker 2: to dictate any of this stuff. It's a management leak, right,

957
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:25,920
Speaker 2: the gms, the coaches because the owners kind of let

958
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:28,600
Speaker 2: them do. The owners don't know anything, right, And that's

959
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:31,439
Speaker 2: one theory I had with the Chargers, and you see

960
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:33,759
Speaker 2: this with the Giants is when you get the ownership

961
00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:36,120
Speaker 2: who has family members in the front office, in the

962
00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:39,040
Speaker 2: scouting department, Like I like my owners to be like

963
00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:41,840
Speaker 2: wheeling and dealing with business stuff. Even Jerry he's the GM,

964
00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:44,880
Speaker 2: he's not watching any film. He's doing deals right, and

965
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:47,720
Speaker 2: Steven that they're making money. But you know, the Spanos

966
00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:49,960
Speaker 2: family has their kid who's involved that he's a good,

967
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:52,359
Speaker 2: smart guy. But you get involved in football and there's

968
00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:55,279
Speaker 2: too much crossover. The best owner Clark Hunt, Andy Veach,

969
00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:59,480
Speaker 2: you cook right the craft for twenty five years, Bill

970
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:04,400
Speaker 2: do do, Glorie Howie, Sirianni, Doug Andy, make me money,

971
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:07,320
Speaker 2: win games and all just that it's a unique business,

972
00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:10,520
Speaker 2: right because you have this multi billion dollar asset. Yet

973
00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:13,160
Speaker 2: the most important guy in your organization, the coach or

974
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:14,919
Speaker 2: the GM or the mix of the two of them,

975
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:17,520
Speaker 2: you don't really know anything about besides like being a fan.

976
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:20,200
Speaker 2: So you can't really even if your expertise, like David

977
00:48:20,239 --> 00:48:24,799
Speaker 2: Teppery's this great all time market guy, can't footwork. When

978
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:26,960
Speaker 2: I see him telling coaches about footwork or the quarterback,

979
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:30,000
Speaker 2: I'm like, they're in trouble, right, you just And that's

980
00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:33,600
Speaker 2: that's why this business is so Once the owner gets involved,

981
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:36,640
Speaker 2: it always cracks because most owners, like are not Al

982
00:48:36,719 --> 00:48:39,560
Speaker 2: Davis in the eighties. They know football, right, They just don't.

983
00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:43,000
Speaker 2: And I think you're gonna see with Walmart, these guys

984
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:45,880
Speaker 2: are very successful and they're just gonna let Sean Payton

985
00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:47,680
Speaker 2: do whatever he wants to do. They're paying him ninety

986
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:50,400
Speaker 2: million dollars to do that. So Sean Payton wouldn't shock

987
00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:53,360
Speaker 2: me if he basically gets a new GM this offseason

988
00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:55,480
Speaker 2: and the Russell Wilson, I would imagine it's gonna be

989
00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:57,280
Speaker 2: one of the biggest stories heading in a free agency

990
00:48:57,360 --> 00:48:58,239
Speaker 2: what he's gonna do with him?

991
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:02,960
Speaker 1: Right, Let's talk Patriots, Kansas City, Kansas City struggled in

992
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:06,920
Speaker 1: the first half, pulled away. So like one of the

993
00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:10,800
Speaker 1: overreaching stories here is we'll get to the Belichick stuff

994
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:13,799
Speaker 1: in a second, his future, but a Kadarius Tony had

995
00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:18,760
Speaker 1: another ball, totally catchable. Office hands intercepted Mahomes reacts viscerally

996
00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:20,880
Speaker 1: on the sidelines and I said it this week on

997
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:25,400
Speaker 1: FS one. It doesn't really matter because Rashi Rice is

998
00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:29,839
Speaker 1: their number one at receiver. Kelsey's their number one. They

999
00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:33,320
Speaker 1: need Tony Sky, Moore and Watson are not game breakers.

1000
00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:37,000
Speaker 1: Tony's twitchy. Can you trust him? No, And as we

1001
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:39,040
Speaker 1: talked earlier on this podcast, it does feel like it's

1002
00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:42,800
Speaker 1: becoming Buffalo's year. You know, Joe Burrow's gone. Maybe it's Baltimore.

1003
00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:45,520
Speaker 1: We'll see tomorrow night when they play. But we don't

1004
00:49:45,560 --> 00:49:48,080
Speaker 1: trust the Jags. Chargers we thought would be good. They're

1005
00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:51,719
Speaker 1: not Denver, probably a year away. So you have this

1006
00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:57,160
Speaker 1: Kansas City team that's still absolutely viable in the AFC

1007
00:49:57,360 --> 00:49:59,080
Speaker 1: right now. They don't have to go through the Niners.

1008
00:49:59,080 --> 00:50:01,040
Speaker 1: They don't, you know, going on the road and playing

1009
00:50:01,120 --> 00:50:03,880
Speaker 1: Dallas would be no fun for this team, or Detroit

1010
00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:05,960
Speaker 1: for that matter. They already lost to them at home

1011
00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:08,280
Speaker 1: this year. At the Lions, But I look at Kansas

1012
00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:10,680
Speaker 1: City and I think it's one of these things. I

1013
00:50:10,680 --> 00:50:13,520
Speaker 1: think they're transitioning stage one of the dynasty of stage two,

1014
00:50:13,560 --> 00:50:16,759
Speaker 1: and you generally don't win in a transition year. But

1015
00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:20,000
Speaker 1: as I watched them today, I thought to myself, they

1016
00:50:20,040 --> 00:50:23,200
Speaker 1: got about four games to figure this stuff out. I

1017
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:27,680
Speaker 1: think Rashi Rice and Kelsey Patrick completely trusts. I don't

1018
00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:29,919
Speaker 1: think they have anything else there. They got a little

1019
00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:31,879
Speaker 1: bit of a pop from the running back, their former

1020
00:50:31,880 --> 00:50:32,560
Speaker 1: first round.

1021
00:50:32,440 --> 00:50:33,720
Speaker 2: Clyde made some plays today.

1022
00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:37,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I still buy Kansas City. I still think they

1023
00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:40,600
Speaker 1: can get to the AFC Championship, although after Buffalo's performance,

1024
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:43,120
Speaker 1: I'm not sure where are you on the Chiefs.

1025
00:50:43,239 --> 00:50:45,399
Speaker 2: Definitely, I mean I think they are as every bit

1026
00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:47,600
Speaker 2: as viable as any team in the AFC because their

1027
00:50:47,640 --> 00:50:49,960
Speaker 2: defense on any given game can hold you in the teams.

1028
00:50:50,520 --> 00:50:52,160
Speaker 2: And to me, if you can do that, they've been

1029
00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:54,560
Speaker 2: winning like that this year, right, I mean, they're going

1030
00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:56,960
Speaker 2: to get to leven wins, winning a bunch of games

1031
00:50:57,280 --> 00:51:01,000
Speaker 2: scoring between twenty and twenty five points. They not beholden

1032
00:51:01,239 --> 00:51:03,719
Speaker 2: like the Lions, for example, of we got to score

1033
00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:05,680
Speaker 2: thirty four points to win the game. Like they've been

1034
00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:08,600
Speaker 2: used to winning some nineteen seventeen games, right, some twenty

1035
00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:11,600
Speaker 2: three twenty one games. Even today, How are you even

1036
00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:13,759
Speaker 2: in this game? With the peat? They just do not

1037
00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:15,879
Speaker 2: run away from me anymore. Though those days are over.

1038
00:51:16,160 --> 00:51:19,920
Speaker 2: I think they gotta regret, you know, passing on Laporta

1039
00:51:20,040 --> 00:51:22,080
Speaker 2: last year, because you put a guy like him. If

1040
00:51:22,080 --> 00:51:24,640
Speaker 2: they would have drafted, you know, an offensive playmaker on

1041
00:51:24,719 --> 00:51:26,960
Speaker 2: this team, just one more guy, they'd be right there.

1042
00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:29,480
Speaker 2: Travis kelce I saw mentioned it to Jason on his

1043
00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:32,360
Speaker 2: podcast that like, we like Tony, we seeing what he

1044
00:51:32,360 --> 00:51:34,600
Speaker 2: does in practice. Like you said, they are beholden to

1045
00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:36,319
Speaker 2: his skills because they don't have anyone else that can

1046
00:51:36,360 --> 00:51:37,800
Speaker 2: do that. There's a reason they traded for him in

1047
00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:40,840
Speaker 2: the middle of the season. But they're much better on defense.

1048
00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:43,680
Speaker 2: You know that their talent on defense is better than

1049
00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:46,600
Speaker 2: those early era on the Dynasty teams. So it's just

1050
00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:49,360
Speaker 2: can the head coach, who's an all time great quarterback,

1051
00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:51,759
Speaker 2: all time great, can they make enough plays? Can they

1052
00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:54,279
Speaker 2: draw up enough stuff to just get over the hump

1053
00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:56,160
Speaker 2: in some of these A lot of the Patriot teams

1054
00:51:56,160 --> 00:51:58,360
Speaker 2: that won it, we're never the teams that look like

1055
00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:00,520
Speaker 2: the ninety four nine ers or the ninety two Cowboys

1056
00:52:00,520 --> 00:52:03,160
Speaker 2: on the roster. Wise, they just outrat they out coach you,

1057
00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:06,040
Speaker 2: they out tough you, they outsmarted you. They didn't fuck up.

1058
00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:08,960
Speaker 2: They didn't have a big penalty, Like that's a cowboy problem.

1059
00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:10,440
Speaker 2: Like at any moment, you're like, oh, they could get

1060
00:52:10,440 --> 00:52:12,520
Speaker 2: a fifteen yard penalty, they could do something stupid. They

1061
00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:14,600
Speaker 2: did it today when they the guy ran into the plunter.

1062
00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:16,959
Speaker 2: You know, you just never know the andy. They're gonna

1063
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:18,399
Speaker 2: have to be very buttoned up and they're just gonna

1064
00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:20,640
Speaker 2: have to win. It's not gonna be pretty. They they

1065
00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:23,040
Speaker 2: are not if they play Baltimore or the Bills or

1066
00:52:23,080 --> 00:52:25,360
Speaker 2: any of these teams in the second or third round. Like,

1067
00:52:25,440 --> 00:52:27,279
Speaker 2: I don't expect them to win like thirty to ten,

1068
00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:29,839
Speaker 2: right right, You'll be on the edge of your seat

1069
00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:31,480
Speaker 2: and it'll pull it out and it'll be like one

1070
00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:34,040
Speaker 2: of the great victories of the era. And that's what

1071
00:52:34,040 --> 00:52:35,799
Speaker 2: the Patriots had a lot of because they were not

1072
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:38,879
Speaker 2: running away once they played the better teams. And that's

1073
00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:41,560
Speaker 2: this version this year. And I think I'm pretty confident

1074
00:52:41,640 --> 00:52:44,840
Speaker 2: this offseason they can kind of have a Patriot type Hey, Mike, Evans,

1075
00:52:45,080 --> 00:52:47,080
Speaker 2: you want to come here a little less money, We'll

1076
00:52:47,080 --> 00:52:49,680
Speaker 2: get you a championship and then draft heavy and some

1077
00:52:49,719 --> 00:52:52,359
Speaker 2: offensive skill guys like they always do. But I think

1078
00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:54,040
Speaker 2: they're gonna be in the business the next couple of

1079
00:52:54,120 --> 00:52:56,680
Speaker 2: years of doing what the Patriots did for a long time,

1080
00:52:56,719 --> 00:52:59,239
Speaker 2: getting kind of the older veteran maybe take a little

1081
00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:01,399
Speaker 2: less and have a chance to kind of just play

1082
00:53:01,400 --> 00:53:03,480
Speaker 2: for a twelve thirteen win team. But they don't have

1083
00:53:03,560 --> 00:53:04,480
Speaker 2: that guy right now.

1084
00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:08,880
Speaker 1: Yeah. And also the Patriots, their margins were always tight

1085
00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:11,799
Speaker 1: except for the Randy Moss years, and they never won

1086
00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:14,040
Speaker 1: Super Bowl st So the only time Newing the Blue

1087
00:53:14,040 --> 00:53:16,480
Speaker 1: people's doors off was about a three year Randy period.

1088
00:53:16,719 --> 00:53:18,840
Speaker 1: So if you go to the early and late stages,

1089
00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:22,200
Speaker 1: Patriots won a lot of twenty seven twenty threes a lot,

1090
00:53:22,560 --> 00:53:26,960
Speaker 1: and it was coaching and quarterback play and generally a

1091
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:29,880
Speaker 1: big defensive play late. So I think Kansas City's built

1092
00:53:30,239 --> 00:53:35,000
Speaker 1: for an AFC championship and beyond. So let's wrap it

1093
00:53:35,080 --> 00:53:36,960
Speaker 1: up with New England. So Tom Kern is a reporter

1094
00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:39,160
Speaker 1: I've used for years. I trust him. He said, the

1095
00:53:39,239 --> 00:53:41,960
Speaker 1: organization's made their mind up. I think it's time. I

1096
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:47,440
Speaker 1: think their tone deaf. It just doesn't work building a statue.

1097
00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:49,759
Speaker 1: I don't you know. I was talking to somebody in

1098
00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:53,120
Speaker 1: the league who I trust about the Chargers and they said,

1099
00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:56,920
Speaker 1: you know, I'm not sure Bill would tolerate kids in

1100
00:53:56,920 --> 00:53:59,399
Speaker 1: the front office. Like it just wouldn't work. And that's

1101
00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:02,879
Speaker 1: the way the span else's work. Washington's got a lot

1102
00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:07,280
Speaker 1: of money and they do have they do have weapons,

1103
00:54:07,320 --> 00:54:09,440
Speaker 1: which he's not good at drafting, but they don't have

1104
00:54:09,480 --> 00:54:14,640
Speaker 1: the quarterback. He's got a lot of property in Nantucket.

1105
00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:16,480
Speaker 1: He's not good in the front office. He can't do

1106
00:54:16,520 --> 00:54:19,200
Speaker 1: a parcels and go down to Miami, hire his coach

1107
00:54:19,239 --> 00:54:21,799
Speaker 1: and do the drafting. That's not what Bill does. Like

1108
00:54:21,840 --> 00:54:24,439
Speaker 1: that's that was parcels or Jimmy. I thought Jimmy Johns

1109
00:54:24,440 --> 00:54:27,080
Speaker 1: would always come back and like do a front office

1110
00:54:27,120 --> 00:54:29,720
Speaker 1: because Jimmy was such a great personnel guy. I always

1111
00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:32,000
Speaker 1: feel I always felt Jimmy would say, I want to coach,

1112
00:54:32,239 --> 00:54:35,000
Speaker 1: I want a life, Give me four or five million

1113
00:54:35,040 --> 00:54:37,000
Speaker 1: bucks and I'll run the front office six million bucks.

1114
00:54:37,040 --> 00:54:38,640
Speaker 1: He didn't. You want to fish And I get it.

1115
00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:44,600
Speaker 1: But I can see Belichick just not coaching, can you no?

1116
00:54:45,040 --> 00:54:47,080
Speaker 2: Because I've envisioned him as like an eighty three year

1117
00:54:47,080 --> 00:54:50,880
Speaker 2: old coaching high school team, you know, coaching the kickers

1118
00:54:50,880 --> 00:54:54,360
Speaker 2: and the punters. I think I remember being told a

1119
00:54:54,360 --> 00:54:56,479
Speaker 2: long time ago by a guy in college football who's

1120
00:54:56,480 --> 00:54:59,160
Speaker 2: close with Saban, and this was when USC was going

1121
00:54:59,160 --> 00:55:01,359
Speaker 2: through the clay Heltons. It's like, could USC just offer

1122
00:55:01,440 --> 00:55:04,360
Speaker 2: him amount of money he could never refuse? Kind of

1123
00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:07,000
Speaker 2: like Texas tried, but even more. And he's like he

1124
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:10,160
Speaker 2: would never come to the West Coast. He's told people

1125
00:55:10,200 --> 00:55:12,719
Speaker 2: like he's not honestly, the Austin, Texas was a little

1126
00:55:12,719 --> 00:55:15,279
Speaker 2: too West coast he vibe for him. And when I

1127
00:55:15,320 --> 00:55:18,520
Speaker 2: think Bill Belichick, I just think the Eastern Seaboard. You know,

1128
00:55:18,760 --> 00:55:21,200
Speaker 2: his entire career has been spent there. It kind of

1129
00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:24,480
Speaker 2: fits his personality. The type guys it's a little more gruff.

1130
00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:28,360
Speaker 2: You can be an asshole, even separate from the organizational

1131
00:55:28,600 --> 00:55:31,640
Speaker 2: set up with the Chargers. So I expect him, and

1132
00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:34,520
Speaker 2: to me, I think he's earned the right. They should

1133
00:55:34,560 --> 00:55:37,680
Speaker 2: fire him, like, not try to trade him, just have

1134
00:55:37,760 --> 00:55:41,400
Speaker 2: a clean fire him. Let him choose his destination. You

1135
00:55:41,440 --> 00:55:44,560
Speaker 2: shouldn't be worried about him going somewhere. Now I could understand,

1136
00:55:44,560 --> 00:55:46,400
Speaker 2: like if the Bills fired McDermott. Would you want him

1137
00:55:46,400 --> 00:55:48,759
Speaker 2: go into Division or the Jets, even though he hates

1138
00:55:48,760 --> 00:55:50,399
Speaker 2: the Jets, But you never know, maybe out of spite.

1139
00:55:50,440 --> 00:55:53,400
Speaker 2: He's kind of a spiteful guy. I think it's tricky

1140
00:55:53,520 --> 00:55:58,000
Speaker 2: because he's earned them, him and Tom them so much money. Right,

1141
00:55:58,080 --> 00:56:00,040
Speaker 2: he has been one of the great employees in the

1142
00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:02,640
Speaker 2: history of America, and now he hasn't been the easiest

1143
00:56:02,640 --> 00:56:05,200
Speaker 2: got to deal with. But he's put from the pocketbook.

1144
00:56:05,239 --> 00:56:07,759
Speaker 2: So I expect him to go to Washington. That would

1145
00:56:07,760 --> 00:56:10,200
Speaker 2: be my best guess would be the Washington Commanders. He's

1146
00:56:10,200 --> 00:56:13,200
Speaker 2: their head coach and it probably you know, I don't

1147
00:56:13,239 --> 00:56:15,560
Speaker 2: expect them to be some powerhouse and I don't think

1148
00:56:15,680 --> 00:56:18,279
Speaker 2: he clearly is still a pretty good defensive coordinator. He

1149
00:56:18,280 --> 00:56:20,879
Speaker 2: can bring Josh McDaniels with him, which I think makes

1150
00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:23,680
Speaker 2: him a lot more desirable because it's pretty clear like

1151
00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:26,319
Speaker 2: without Josh McDaniels, he's not exactly the same guy. Billy

1152
00:56:26,360 --> 00:56:28,400
Speaker 2: O'Brien is not as good as an offensive coordinator as

1153
00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:31,200
Speaker 2: Josh is. For Bill. But to me, the Washington Commanders,

1154
00:56:31,200 --> 00:56:32,759
Speaker 2: doesn't it just make a lot of sense kind of

1155
00:56:32,760 --> 00:56:34,279
Speaker 2: that region the area.

1156
00:56:34,160 --> 00:56:36,160
Speaker 1: They and they would pay him. They'd make him the

1157
00:56:36,200 --> 00:56:37,799
Speaker 1: highest paid guy. They'd give him a five year, one

1158
00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:40,600
Speaker 1: hundred million dollar deal and be public twenty million bucks

1159
00:56:40,640 --> 00:56:43,480
Speaker 1: a year. By the way, DC, he would be able

1160
00:56:43,520 --> 00:56:45,440
Speaker 1: to get on his private jet and go to Nantucket.

1161
00:56:45,440 --> 00:56:48,160
Speaker 1: It's close. It would just for his lifestyle. By the way,

1162
00:56:48,200 --> 00:56:51,160
Speaker 1: He's got places in Jupiter, Florida, Nantuckett, it's easy. It's

1163
00:56:51,160 --> 00:56:51,720
Speaker 1: East Coast.

1164
00:56:51,920 --> 00:56:55,080
Speaker 2: I think Tomlin and listen, whether they fire him or not,

1165
00:56:55,320 --> 00:56:57,560
Speaker 2: I think it's over a lot. Like Bill, their record

1166
00:56:57,600 --> 00:57:00,400
Speaker 2: isn't as bad, but what are we watching? This team

1167
00:57:00,520 --> 00:57:02,839
Speaker 2: is worse than they've been. Even if they end up

1168
00:57:02,840 --> 00:57:05,560
Speaker 2: going nine and eight, that they stink. I mean, they

1169
00:57:05,640 --> 00:57:09,560
Speaker 2: got work To me like Bill, To me, Tomlin has

1170
00:57:09,600 --> 00:57:13,319
Speaker 2: a lot of similarities with Andy and McCarthy when they

1171
00:57:13,360 --> 00:57:18,160
Speaker 2: both got fired in Philadelphia and Green Bay, and they

1172
00:57:18,160 --> 00:57:20,960
Speaker 2: both resurrected their career other places. To me, he's a

1173
00:57:21,080 --> 00:57:23,200
Speaker 2: huge personality, he's a big name. I actually think he

1174
00:57:23,240 --> 00:57:25,800
Speaker 2: would make a lot of sense with the Chargers. He

1175
00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:28,280
Speaker 2: just knows what he's doing. I heard you talking about

1176
00:57:28,280 --> 00:57:29,080
Speaker 2: it on Friday.

1177
00:57:28,880 --> 00:57:33,560
Speaker 1: So let's do that. He needs right now, Chargers talk.

1178
00:57:33,920 --> 00:57:37,280
Speaker 1: So this has been discussed, so I know two network

1179
00:57:37,280 --> 00:57:41,760
Speaker 1: executives that would absolutely hire Tomlin tomorrow. For sure. He'd

1180
00:57:41,800 --> 00:57:45,280
Speaker 1: be great on TV. But I do think the Chargers

1181
00:57:45,320 --> 00:57:50,120
Speaker 1: make sense. He doesn't necessarily give a rip about personnel.

1182
00:57:50,760 --> 00:57:52,880
Speaker 1: He would look up and go, here's here's what I

1183
00:57:52,920 --> 00:57:55,720
Speaker 1: don't want. I won with a star quarterback. I don't

1184
00:57:55,760 --> 00:57:57,240
Speaker 1: want to back up. You could get out of the

1185
00:57:57,280 --> 00:58:00,240
Speaker 1: Kenny Pickett situation, which is weird. It's dicey because he's

1186
00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:03,040
Speaker 1: a local kid. The Steelers don't want to send him shipping.

1187
00:58:03,160 --> 00:58:06,000
Speaker 1: They're going to be totally sensitive with Kenny Pickett, and

1188
00:58:06,040 --> 00:58:08,640
Speaker 1: he's just not He's just not good enough period. He's

1189
00:58:08,640 --> 00:58:12,080
Speaker 1: like the twelfth best quarterback at thirteenth best quarterback in

1190
00:58:12,120 --> 00:58:14,920
Speaker 1: the APC. Like, it doesn't work. I think it's a

1191
00:58:14,960 --> 00:58:17,800
Speaker 1: time to exit. You leave, you got super Bowls, you

1192
00:58:17,920 --> 00:58:21,880
Speaker 1: have the stories for a month, Networks vying him, vying form.

1193
00:58:21,960 --> 00:58:24,880
Speaker 1: I don't think he wants control in the front office.

1194
00:58:24,920 --> 00:58:28,240
Speaker 1: He won't get it. So I actually think Tomlin of

1195
00:58:28,280 --> 00:58:29,640
Speaker 1: the Chargers makes a ton of sense.

1196
00:58:29,760 --> 00:58:31,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, to me, we talk about the Charges a lot

1197
00:58:31,840 --> 00:58:34,080
Speaker 2: like the Clippers. Well, what did Balmer do? He went

1198
00:58:34,080 --> 00:58:37,080
Speaker 2: out and got Tylu a real coach. Now basketball's a

1199
00:58:37,120 --> 00:58:39,680
Speaker 2: little different, But to me, there's a name recognition that

1200
00:58:40,240 --> 00:58:45,160
Speaker 2: gives them some just headline power in Los Angeles, and

1201
00:58:45,200 --> 00:58:47,920
Speaker 2: he's proven to be very serviceable. And to me, they

1202
00:58:47,960 --> 00:58:50,840
Speaker 2: can't afford like Ben Johnson might go on to be

1203
00:58:50,880 --> 00:58:53,560
Speaker 2: the next Shanahannah McVeigh, or he might just be like

1204
00:58:53,560 --> 00:58:56,040
Speaker 2: the next Joe Judge or some other coordinator who flops.

1205
00:58:56,440 --> 00:58:59,080
Speaker 2: They need to get a guy. That's why Belichick, Harbaugh

1206
00:58:59,240 --> 00:59:02,080
Speaker 2: Tomlin to me, dan Quinn is a name, but he

1207
00:59:02,280 --> 00:59:05,120
Speaker 2: was not that successful when Kyle Shanahan left him. Say

1208
00:59:05,120 --> 00:59:06,680
Speaker 2: what you want about Tomlin. He's had a lot of

1209
00:59:06,720 --> 00:59:09,840
Speaker 2: different coordinators and he's consistently won. I mean dan Quinn

1210
00:59:10,080 --> 00:59:13,960
Speaker 2: bottomed out, you know. Tomlin never bottoms out, and he

1211
00:59:14,160 --> 00:59:17,480
Speaker 2: just if you ask Andy Reid and Sean Payton, to

1212
00:59:17,520 --> 00:59:19,240
Speaker 2: me the number one coach, they would not want to

1213
00:59:19,240 --> 00:59:21,320
Speaker 2: go to the charge, would Belichick right, They probably don't

1214
00:59:21,320 --> 00:59:23,520
Speaker 2: have to worry, and then it would be like Jim Harbaum,

1215
00:59:23,520 --> 00:59:25,680
Speaker 2: like people that know what they're they would much rather

1216
00:59:25,720 --> 00:59:28,480
Speaker 2: sign up for some coordinator who's just going to be

1217
00:59:28,600 --> 00:59:31,360
Speaker 2: learning on the job, and that's what the Chargers. I'm

1218
00:59:31,360 --> 00:59:32,920
Speaker 2: not confident that they're going to do any of this

1219
00:59:33,000 --> 00:59:36,520
Speaker 2: because they have consistently shown two higher coordinators who are

1220
00:59:36,520 --> 00:59:39,880
Speaker 2: just cheaper. I don't know how Dean Spanos, who has

1221
00:59:40,000 --> 00:59:42,080
Speaker 2: gone through what he's gone through over the last decade

1222
00:59:42,120 --> 00:59:44,200
Speaker 2: with the three different coaches, and what just happened on

1223
00:59:44,240 --> 00:59:46,080
Speaker 2: Thursday night against Mark Davis. Say what you want about

1224
00:59:46,080 --> 00:59:50,400
Speaker 2: Mark Davis, he at least tries to buy people. Josh McDaniels,

1225
00:59:50,600 --> 00:59:52,960
Speaker 2: John Gruden. It hasn't worked, is blown up in his face.

1226
00:59:53,040 --> 00:59:55,680
Speaker 2: But I give him effort credit, like he's willing to

1227
00:59:55,720 --> 00:59:58,080
Speaker 2: spend I don't know the monopoly money that the league

1228
00:59:58,120 --> 01:00:00,480
Speaker 2: gives him that the Niners and the Cowboys, you know,

1229
01:00:00,480 --> 01:00:03,040
Speaker 2: and the Chiefs are generating on television right now. And

1230
01:00:03,120 --> 01:00:04,680
Speaker 2: to me, that's what Dean Spander's like. This is not

1231
01:00:04,800 --> 01:00:06,840
Speaker 2: money that he just has to earn on his own.

1232
01:00:06,880 --> 01:00:08,800
Speaker 2: He gets handed to it from the league. So just

1233
01:00:08,840 --> 01:00:11,680
Speaker 2: give out, you know, some twenty million dollar contract or

1234
01:00:11,680 --> 01:00:15,200
Speaker 2: whatever Mike Comlin would cost if he's available, which I

1235
01:00:15,680 --> 01:00:18,640
Speaker 2: kind of expect him to get fired and get a

1236
01:00:18,640 --> 01:00:21,760
Speaker 2: real coach for the first time since the Marty Schottenheimer era.

1237
01:00:21,880 --> 01:00:23,320
Speaker 2: Think about that. That's a long time.

1238
01:00:24,160 --> 01:00:26,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, they they and I said this the other

1239
01:00:26,600 --> 01:00:31,360
Speaker 1: day the Chargers need a culture creator. Mike McCoy, Anthony Lynn,

1240
01:00:32,560 --> 01:00:38,080
Speaker 1: Brandon Staley, whether it's their persona, they're DNA. They're not

1241
01:00:38,240 --> 01:00:38,920
Speaker 1: culture creator.

1242
01:00:38,920 --> 01:00:41,560
Speaker 2: They're position coaches. Colin, they're position coaches.

1243
01:00:42,720 --> 01:00:46,040
Speaker 1: And so to me, Harball's a culture creator. Belichick is

1244
01:00:46,160 --> 01:00:48,960
Speaker 1: Tomlin is spend money. I mean, did you see what

1245
01:00:49,000 --> 01:00:52,400
Speaker 1: the NFL handed each team this year revenue? Like when

1246
01:00:52,440 --> 01:00:55,960
Speaker 1: it's all said, four hundred million, four hundred million dollars,

1247
01:00:56,160 --> 01:00:58,840
Speaker 1: You're not going to pay a coach twelve and a half.

1248
01:00:59,080 --> 01:01:01,240
Speaker 1: You've got to be kidding me. Look at what Peyton

1249
01:01:01,240 --> 01:01:03,760
Speaker 1: has done to that shipwreck in Denver just twelve and

1250
01:01:03,800 --> 01:01:06,720
Speaker 1: a half million bucks. You pay your quarterback thirty What

1251
01:01:06,760 --> 01:01:09,480
Speaker 1: are we doing here? Like it just that this money

1252
01:01:09,680 --> 01:01:13,560
Speaker 1: is the greatest thing to own in America outside of

1253
01:01:13,600 --> 01:01:17,240
Speaker 1: maybe Google or Apple. Is an NFL team, just buy

1254
01:01:17,280 --> 01:01:17,760
Speaker 1: a coach?

1255
01:01:17,840 --> 01:01:19,880
Speaker 2: Well, think about it. Your expense is what's the salary cap?

1256
01:01:19,920 --> 01:01:22,440
Speaker 2: Two hundred and ten million dollars, So you have one

1257
01:01:22,520 --> 01:01:25,880
Speaker 2: hundred and ninety million dollars. Your sales guys don't cost

1258
01:01:25,920 --> 01:01:28,400
Speaker 2: that much money. Your your West Coast scout, I mean,

1259
01:01:29,000 --> 01:01:31,120
Speaker 2: you have one hundred ninety million dollars, but that's year

1260
01:01:31,160 --> 01:01:33,600
Speaker 2: after year, right, you know, one hundred and twenty five,

1261
01:01:33,640 --> 01:01:36,160
Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty that's a lot. What's Dean Spanel's

1262
01:01:36,200 --> 01:01:38,360
Speaker 2: doing with all this money? That's not even counting any

1263
01:01:38,360 --> 01:01:41,160
Speaker 2: other money that they generate, but they are just unwilling

1264
01:01:41,240 --> 01:01:43,040
Speaker 2: to spend it. And you just look at the NFL,

1265
01:01:43,120 --> 01:01:45,040
Speaker 2: who are all the best coaches. They're all the guys winning.

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Speaker 2: John Harball makes a ton, Adie Reid makes a ton,

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Speaker 2: Kyle Shanan makes a ton. Right. I mean it's you

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Speaker 2: get what you in college. All the top guys make

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Speaker 2: a ton of money. Like that's just the going rate

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Speaker 2: for a coach. You cannot be at the bottom of

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Speaker 2: the wrong and expect to win and then complain about

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Speaker 2: it because they've been doing They've been spinning their wheels

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Speaker 2: in the same situation. From a coaching standpoint, I do

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Speaker 2: think it gets back to kind of their organizational philosophy.

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Speaker 2: A lot of cooks in the kitchen, so they they

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Speaker 2: got a lot. This month is a big time for

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Speaker 2: them just to do a little looking in the mirror

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Speaker 2: and like, do we really want to win or we

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Speaker 2: kind of want to do it our way.

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Speaker 1: John Middlecoff, the Voice of John Middlecoff three and out.

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Speaker 1: You see the hat, that's his podcast. It's he is

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Speaker 1: as good a voice on the NFL as there is

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Speaker 1: this industry. Every Sunday night we chop it up. It's

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Speaker 1: live on YouTube, becomes a podcast. John as always. We're

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Speaker 1: gonna be breaking down some college football games, probably next week.

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Speaker 1: It's great seeing you.

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Speaker 2: Good seeing you too, Colin

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Speaker 1: The Volume