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Speaker 2: Welcome to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking true

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Speaker 2: crime all the time. I'm Stephanie Leidecker here with Courtney Armstrong.

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Speaker 3: Body move in.

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Speaker 2: And yes, we have our favorite prosecutor, Jared Farentino in

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Speaker 2: the house tonight to answer all your legal questions because

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Speaker 2: we have a huge, stacked night of headlines. Listen, we're

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Speaker 2: finally getting some answers in David the pop star slash

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Speaker 2: Celestrevus's case. There's some major new developments and some new

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Speaker 2: informations that's hitting the grand jury that we're going to unpack.

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Speaker 2: Also some major revelations with the Epstein files. There are

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Speaker 2: some reports that there is some alleged cover up by

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Speaker 2: the DOJ with some recently removed documents, kind of the

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Speaker 3: So we'll get into that.

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Speaker 2: And also, you know, Charlie Kirk, you know we haven't

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Speaker 2: just because there hasn't been too much to report on.

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Speaker 2: We're following it very closely, but a big ruling today

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Speaker 2: by a judge, so we will unpack that. And just

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Speaker 2: there's a ton of information coming at everybody right now.

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Speaker 3: We really want to.

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Speaker 2: Encourage everybody to tread lightly into these files and into

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Speaker 2: this information.

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Speaker 3: It is meant to be too much, and I.

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Speaker 2: Think it is a little bit too much and can

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Speaker 3: So if you're feeling a little.

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Speaker 2: At the edge of it, not just the files, but

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Speaker 2: just generally speaking in this world today right Welcome j

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Speaker 2: We're so happy you're here, very very safe, very safe space.

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Speaker 3: So if you want to.

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Speaker 2: Call in, invent or share or pick Jarrett Farantino's brain

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Speaker 2: about the law eight eight eight three one crime, we'd

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Speaker 2: a talk back. They've been so good, you all are

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Speaker 2: so smart. Thank you for keeping them coming. We're going

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Speaker 2: and it really is amazing how clever.

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Speaker 3: This community is. So thank you, ladies.

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Speaker 4: Jarrett, Taha, Sam and Adam.

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Speaker 3: How are we tonight?

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Speaker 4: It's It's Wednesday.

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Speaker 3: What's up Wednesday? Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Made it so in Our favorite monkey found a troupe

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Speaker 4: to groom him, and my favorite eagles laid an egg

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Speaker 4: like I am like on cloud nine today you.

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Speaker 2: Are, you are feeling all things nature right. So, in

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Speaker 2: case you haven't seen this little video that body is

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Speaker 2: referring to mom, this one's for you. Please make sure

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Speaker 2: you check this out. The little monkey named punch I

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Speaker 2: got kicked out of his little family and he had

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Speaker 3: He has a family.

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Speaker 4: He got groomed in a hug And then my big

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Speaker 4: beer Eagles and I'm obsessed with Jackie in Shadow. They

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Speaker 4: lost their eggs to ravens like last month. Well guess what,

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Speaker 4: Jackie laid a new egg today. See you're so happy, right, Yeah?

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Speaker 4: The future pressure is bright. Remember there are more good

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Speaker 2: And I got to tell you we've been having a

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Speaker 3: And I think we have to all take it down

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Speaker 2: I mean, these were talking about isolated sections of humanity.

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Speaker 4: Figure out a way to isolate them a little bit more?

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Speaker 3: Well they had there on islands.

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Speaker 3: Well, I have a David update. That's why we all

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Speaker 2: Somebody severed this young girl's body and just shoved it

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Speaker 4: But JAREDTT, we have Jarrett Farantino, veteran trial attorney. He's

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Speaker 4: a prosecutor out of Pennsylvania, very knowledgeable on all these things. JAREDT,

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Speaker 5: So good evening to well boy, that's ironically ironically here

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Speaker 5: Individuals have that right in front of a grand jury.

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Speaker 5: Well, they could plead the Fifth Amendment and they cannot

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Speaker 3: But couldn't it be protection. Let's just say I'm innocent

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking

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Speaker 3: Here we go, Where do we begin?

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Speaker 2: I think what we're going to start doing next week

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Speaker 4: Too overwhelming, right, yeah, yeah, but court big.

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Speaker 3: And this is a big deal because this withholding is

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Speaker 2: So meeting, the files were dumped, all three million plus

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Speaker 2: So I can't even say it with a straight face,

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Speaker 2: So we're just going to report it as it's being reported,

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Speaker 4: So the DOJ removes the documents, and then now the

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Speaker 2: Is that my understanding, they're in charge of investigating the claims? A, yes,

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Speaker 5: So I'm listening to this and learned about this today.

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Speaker 5: But I'll say this. The caveat of the disclosure It

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Speaker 2: It's two part, you know, even if we park for

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Speaker 5: Well, I mean, who am I to disagree with mister

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Speaker 5: there are allegations that those files are rot with allegations. Again,

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Speaker 5: I mean, they're oftentimes just statements of people that were

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Speaker 5: spirit is typically true. But Stephanie, what you said. The

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Speaker 4: There is an open investigation, right, Jared, that's really the

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Speaker 5: Right, that would absolutely be a reason. And again, a

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Speaker 3: A little more, Oh go ahead, Stephanie. No, No, little

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Speaker 3: back to some of what you were saying, Jared.

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Speaker 5: Here's the thing, you look at the bigger picture. The

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Speaker 5: They were a birthday card, allegedly with the drawing that

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Speaker 5: With regard to prosecutions, both federal and state, I find

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Speaker 5: it very very hard to believe. Doesn't mean it's not

436
00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:15,439
Speaker 5: true that if anybody in twenty nineteen and through the

437
00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:18,800
Speaker 5: Biden administration was in possession of this kind of a report,

438
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Speaker 5: that it would not have seen the light of day,

439
00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:24,359
Speaker 5: and that or if it was totally incredible, it just

440
00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:27,360
Speaker 5: would not have made its way out. So again that

441
00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:30,280
Speaker 5: gives me a little pause too. And have not I

442
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Speaker 5: certainly have not seen it beyond what MPR is reporting.

443
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Speaker 5: I don't have any inside knowledge. I'm just saying to me,

444
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Speaker 5: if you look at the history, it's hard to believe.

445
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Speaker 3: It's very hard to believe. I totally agree, hard to believe.

446
00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:46,600
Speaker 3: But what do we believe?

447
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Speaker 2: I mean, we were also told that there was nothing

448
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Speaker 2: in the files period by Pam Bondi and the head

449
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Speaker 2: of the Department of Justice. We were also told by

450
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Speaker 2: Cash Ptel, the head of the FBI, that there was

451
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Speaker 2: nothing in the files, there was nothing to see there,

452
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Speaker 2: and that in and of itself, on its nose, should

453
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Speaker 2: be believed. We have to believe in the people that

454
00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:05,679
Speaker 2: are giving us key information. It's affecting our personal lives

455
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:08,280
Speaker 2: as well, let alone the many survivors that have been

456
00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:12,360
Speaker 2: completely ignored. This report allegedly happened in twenty nineteen. Think

457
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:15,680
Speaker 2: about how much has happened since then. So maybe there

458
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:20,000
Speaker 2: is this moment of revelation. I think somehow I'm so

459
00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:22,479
Speaker 2: lost in the sauce on it. I gotta tell you,

460
00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:23,959
Speaker 2: like I even as I say right now, I get

461
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:24,639
Speaker 2: low choked up.

462
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Speaker 3: I don't know what.

463
00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:28,760
Speaker 2: I don't know where to believe. I don't know what

464
00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:32,280
Speaker 2: to believe. I feel like people that I personally voted

465
00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:36,080
Speaker 2: for have have shown up and are being accused of

466
00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:39,119
Speaker 2: things that are really scary. And if I look at

467
00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:41,119
Speaker 2: the other side and say the same thing, I'm like,

468
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:45,280
Speaker 2: that seems really scary. I don't know who's being honest.

469
00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:48,920
Speaker 2: And it feels like the reason why maybe Trump campaigned

470
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Speaker 2: on it, or maybe they all just were in a

471
00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:54,400
Speaker 2: secret club and they just knew it wouldn't come out

472
00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:56,280
Speaker 2: because they're all in on it.

473
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Speaker 3: Is that possible. I don't even want your weigh in

474
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Speaker 3: on it, But.

475
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Speaker 5: It's more possible today looking at some of this stuff

476
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Speaker 5: that it's ever been what I But my point is

477
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Speaker 5: it's not that I find it hard to believe that

478
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:08,960
Speaker 5: someone could be accused of that. I would hope that

479
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:11,520
Speaker 5: that it's not true. What I find hard to believe

480
00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:15,320
Speaker 5: is that during that intervening four years that allegation would

481
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Speaker 5: not have found its way out.

482
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Speaker 4: Well, I agree, but if Glaine Maxwell was under investigation

483
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:23,880
Speaker 4: though exactly part of the problem. I mean, I think

484
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Speaker 4: that's why we've gone through this many many times, and

485
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:29,359
Speaker 4: you know, because of a lot of people are like, well,

486
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:32,520
Speaker 4: you know, Biden could have have thrown him in jail

487
00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:34,960
Speaker 4: or you know all he could have released Biden could

488
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:38,080
Speaker 4: have released the files, but he couldn't, right because Glaine,

489
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Speaker 4: her investigator, was an open investigation.

490
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Speaker 5: Still, I think that maybe why they didn't make its

491
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Speaker 5: way to Washington or something like that. But I just

492
00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:51,680
Speaker 5: cannot imagine a situation where that administration was in possession

493
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:54,080
Speaker 5: of something that damning that it would not have come out.

494
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Speaker 5: I mean, Congress those Trump documents initially, and that's that's

495
00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:01,880
Speaker 5: what it's suspect to me. Because of that doesn't mean

496
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:05,480
Speaker 5: it's not the case, doesn't mean the accusation doesn't exist.

497
00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:10,360
Speaker 5: And what this has taught us, this has porn the

498
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:13,600
Speaker 5: lid off what we all kind of hoped wasn't true.

499
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:16,640
Speaker 5: That there is this island, that there is this Epstein

500
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:21,800
Speaker 5: level of society that you know, you've heard about or

501
00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:26,320
Speaker 5: rumored about, and certainly it exists, and it's Hollywood and

502
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:31,480
Speaker 5: defense contractors and tech people all together in this cabal

503
00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:35,000
Speaker 5: who knows, and a lot of not good things were happening,

504
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Speaker 5: and it seemed like Epstein is like the Forest Gump

505
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:40,760
Speaker 5: of bad guys. He was everywhere. I mean, you know,

506
00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:46,640
Speaker 5: arms dealing, allegations of drugs and sex and international espionage.

507
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Speaker 3: I mean, this guy, he was everywhere, entertainment, academia, a movie.

508
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:55,880
Speaker 5: You'd walk out, You'd be like, there's no way anybody

509
00:29:55,920 --> 00:30:00,680
Speaker 5: has dialed into all these people and into all this. Yeah,

510
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:02,800
Speaker 5: and it's appearing that it is the case.

511
00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:05,080
Speaker 3: It's appearing that it is the case.

512
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Speaker 2: But he had to have worked for many and I

513
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:10,560
Speaker 2: think there's a whole other layer above him.

514
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:11,680
Speaker 3: I think he's the middleman.

515
00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:15,880
Speaker 2: I think there's a whole other, larger layer that I'm exploring.

516
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Speaker 2: I don't have the answers, but like, the further into

517
00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:23,600
Speaker 2: it I get, the more confused I get, and I

518
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:26,640
Speaker 2: feel like there's We're at the tip of the iceberg

519
00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:30,440
Speaker 2: and kind of just swimming as fast as we can,

520
00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:32,760
Speaker 2: I suppose. I mean, I'm looking at a whiteboard right

521
00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:34,800
Speaker 2: now that has more words on it than I can explain,

522
00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:37,120
Speaker 2: trying to make sense of the Epstein files, and then

523
00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:38,840
Speaker 2: all day thinking about it, and then we get here

524
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:42,200
Speaker 2: and it's so much that it's like, well, keep in mind,

525
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:43,360
Speaker 2: almost overwhelming.

526
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Speaker 4: So it's keeping that, you know it. Whenever somebody calls

527
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Speaker 4: in like the FBI and makes an accusation, or a

528
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:53,520
Speaker 4: police department it makes an accusation, none of that has

529
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Speaker 4: gone to court and been tried. They're just accusations, right.

530
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Speaker 4: I know that sounds horrible of me to say, but

531
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Speaker 4: keep in mind that sometimes sometimes people call with false stuff.

532
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:08,880
Speaker 2: Too, of course, but even that, let's just even if

533
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:11,000
Speaker 2: that's the case. Let's just go there for a second.

534
00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:12,720
Speaker 2: That's the case, and I know we're running out of time.

535
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:16,840
Speaker 2: We'll come back to this. Even if that's true. Why

536
00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:19,440
Speaker 2: is it so messy at the DOJ. Well, that's a

537
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:22,040
Speaker 2: lot going on in the world right now. I don't

538
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:24,680
Speaker 2: like the messiness and the lack of attention to detail.

539
00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:27,400
Speaker 2: It's just really the bottom line. If we can't redact

540
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:31,520
Speaker 2: correctly or unredact correctly, that to me is nerve wracking,

541
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Speaker 2: even on its nose, just that one thing is scary.

542
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:38,600
Speaker 2: Our favorite prosecutor, Legal Night, Jared Farantino, is with us

543
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:41,680
Speaker 2: answering some of your legal questions and also some of ours.

544
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:43,720
Speaker 3: We're talking about the Epstein files right now.

545
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:47,040
Speaker 2: Big day tomorrow, Hillary Clinton set to go before the

546
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:52,240
Speaker 2: House Committee to discuss any of her knowledge of Jeffrey

547
00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:56,960
Speaker 2: Epstein and or I guess their dynamic. Why is Hillary

548
00:31:57,000 --> 00:32:00,840
Speaker 2: being called in in the first place. She's not really

549
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:02,640
Speaker 2: in the files as much as her husband is.

550
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Speaker 4: That's a good question.

551
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:07,600
Speaker 3: Well, he's being called in as well. Time not going.

552
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:11,440
Speaker 4: But yeah, but I mean, how many other spouses are

553
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:12,800
Speaker 4: being called in of people who are in?

554
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:15,800
Speaker 3: Is Bill Gates's wife ex wife? I mean, she was

555
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:19,480
Speaker 3: Secretary of Defense. She's so, I don't know. It's interesting.

556
00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:21,480
Speaker 3: I was reading an article about is this going to

557
00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:24,120
Speaker 3: be her second Tammy Winnette when she had that sort

558
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:28,240
Speaker 3: of infamous stand by her man moment that people, Yeah, I.

559
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:28,920
Speaker 6: Know there was that.

560
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:34,200
Speaker 3: Also, I'll be curious if there's much hay made of

561
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Speaker 3: the fact that Gilaine Maxwell's I believe it was her

562
00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:44,760
Speaker 3: nephew was working for Hillary Clinton in some capacity. Oh, really,

563
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:49,120
Speaker 3: something to do with it may be a material, it

564
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:53,560
Speaker 3: may not be, it may not be. So there's a

565
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:56,600
Speaker 3: there's there's something else to get to. But I actually

566
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Speaker 3: had one question from last segment, which is just it's

567
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:06,480
Speaker 3: kind of globally. How come people aren't being prosecuted if

568
00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:10,080
Speaker 3: they're being accused, if they're saying Joshmo, whoever it may be,

569
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Speaker 3: an individual is named as a sex abuser in the files,

570
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Speaker 3: why aren't they being investigated or charged for their crimes?

571
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Speaker 5: Yeah, so remember that, and I've heard that question. It's

572
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:25,880
Speaker 5: a great question because the public is learning this information

573
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:30,200
Speaker 5: for the first time. But remember this information was in

574
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Speaker 5: the possession of the Department of Justice in some facet

575
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:38,400
Speaker 5: for a long time. So whether or not they vetted

576
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:41,840
Speaker 5: the claims in those files really is on them. They

577
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:44,520
Speaker 5: were aware of this, we're learning it for the first time.

578
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Speaker 5: I do disagree with the statement that was made that

579
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Speaker 5: there are no additional prosecutions to come. Do you remember

580
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Speaker 5: that when they dropped all the doctums.

581
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean we were told no more prosecutions were

582
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Speaker 2: coming because there was nothing to prosecute, according to.

583
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Speaker 5: And then Prince Andrew was arrested the following week. It's like, literally, okay,

584
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Speaker 5: I think that was a premature.

585
00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:09,320
Speaker 4: The Prime Minister of Norway was arrested.

586
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Speaker 5: I think one thing that happens when you shine light

587
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:17,880
Speaker 5: on information and it's released like this the likelihood that

588
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:21,879
Speaker 5: additional information will flow as a result of this coming out.

589
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:26,800
Speaker 5: It may trigger someone's memory, someone may see something, say something.

590
00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:31,120
Speaker 5: There is power in the allegations that are made in

591
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Speaker 5: motivating people to come forward with their own story. So

592
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Speaker 5: I do believe it's premature to say that charges aren't coming.

593
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Speaker 5: But this is not the first time the government learned

594
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Speaker 5: about what's in those files. They have been reviewing these

595
00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:48,120
Speaker 5: files for a long time. So whether or not charges

596
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:51,120
Speaker 5: have come, whether or not people have been interviewed as

597
00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:53,759
Speaker 5: a result, really they were in the driver's seat for

598
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:56,200
Speaker 5: a long time on this stuff, so they would have

599
00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:59,719
Speaker 5: had every opportunity to conduct these investigations. It's not new

600
00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:01,080
Speaker 5: inform to them.

601
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:02,359
Speaker 3: No, But that's part of it.

602
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Speaker 2: That's so scary to me as well, because if you

603
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:08,120
Speaker 2: go back to any of the administrations, who who, they

604
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:10,920
Speaker 2: all have had to have this same access, and if

605
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:14,880
Speaker 2: you're not investigating, you're being complacent in some way. And

606
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:17,480
Speaker 2: again this is not just the current administration. We're going

607
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:22,320
Speaker 2: as far back as we need to. Is complacency a crime?

608
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:25,439
Speaker 2: Oh so turning a blind eye?

609
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:27,239
Speaker 3: Right, Like it.

610
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:33,520
Speaker 2: Seems like everybody that I in my memory, well, how

611
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:35,279
Speaker 2: far back does this go. This is you know, we're

612
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:39,200
Speaker 2: talking many that's true, several prisons.

613
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:42,799
Speaker 5: Talking like early nineteen eighties. There's information in there. So

614
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:47,680
Speaker 5: and again I just think that more can flow from this.

615
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:50,439
Speaker 5: Look at what's come out about Prince Andrew. He's being

616
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Speaker 5: investigated potentially for leaking information to Jeffrey Epstein. I mean,

617
00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:59,000
Speaker 5: and that was And again, I never bet against the

618
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Speaker 5: web sluts of the world. I mean, I'm looking at

619
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:04,319
Speaker 5: body here. I mean, I don't ever bet against those.

620
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:09,560
Speaker 5: So what can be uncovered? So I like I'm sitting

621
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Speaker 5: back and waiting for the connections to be made, because again,

622
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Speaker 5: you can read something on page five that has something

623
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Speaker 5: to do with page one million in five and when

624
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:24,200
Speaker 5: someone makes that connection. The other thing about these investigations,

625
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Speaker 5: I think that's worth noting. I have been a part

626
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:32,080
Speaker 5: of many multi jurisdictional investigations where you have federal authorities

627
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:37,279
Speaker 5: differing geographic or municipal authorities. There are times where one

628
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:41,399
Speaker 5: group of investigators does not have the information another group

629
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Speaker 5: of investigators has. So if you can marry the information

630
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Speaker 5: and the investigators or the web slutors of the world

631
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Speaker 5: out there, there may be something found or discovered that

632
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:55,239
Speaker 5: flows from the disclosure of this information. Again, I just

633
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:57,160
Speaker 5: think it was premature to make that statement.

634
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Speaker 3: Well, it's interesting you bring many that up also because

635
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:05,919
Speaker 3: newly released files reveal that Epstein in fact was under

636
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:10,040
Speaker 3: multiple federal investigations for many years and I didn't know this,

637
00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:13,880
Speaker 3: including DEA so Drug Enforcement Agency as well as the

638
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:18,200
Speaker 3: FBI and ICE probes. And this all happened before his

639
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:24,239
Speaker 3: twenty nineteen arrest on sex trafficking charges. The investigation, which

640
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:29,520
Speaker 3: previously had been undisclosed, focused on Epstein and fourteen other

641
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:34,359
Speaker 3: individuals and involved tens of millions of dollars in suspicious

642
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Speaker 3: transfers between twenty ten and twenty fifteen. Your favorite topic, Stephanie,

643
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:43,640
Speaker 3: all of the money that was happening, and I guess

644
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:45,600
Speaker 3: all of these agencies were looking into it.

645
00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:49,120
Speaker 5: Then, well, there's a part of me that feels like,

646
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:53,440
Speaker 5: as serious as the sexual crime allegations are, are they

647
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:56,680
Speaker 5: a ruse to really other things that were going on?

648
00:37:56,800 --> 00:38:00,400
Speaker 5: Is it really look here, we have some bad criminal

649
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:04,520
Speaker 5: acts here, but was there other things going on like drugs,

650
00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:11,399
Speaker 5: like arms dealing and things of that nature, Like yes, right,

651
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Speaker 5: And I think where they were moving people from other countries,

652
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:18,920
Speaker 5: and you know, when you get into DA investigations where

653
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:22,520
Speaker 5: that is set is set apart from sex crime type cases,

654
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:26,040
Speaker 5: that opens up forfeiture laws where you can start taking

655
00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:30,640
Speaker 5: property chasing that money that a sex crime may not implicate.

656
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:35,400
Speaker 5: That's another thing. Like it's almost like were they purposely

657
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:37,959
Speaker 5: not following through with these because of where they led.

658
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:41,040
Speaker 5: You know, Jeffrey Epstein, everything about him was money. If

659
00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:44,080
Speaker 5: the money led you to other individuals and banks and

660
00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:48,360
Speaker 5: things of that nature, that's really where those DEA investigations

661
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:52,640
Speaker 5: could have gotten, provided they had legs, and that's really

662
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:54,279
Speaker 5: they they could have brought to this.

663
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:58,560
Speaker 2: No, the in the in the financial trail is undeniable.

664
00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:01,040
Speaker 2: I mean it's by their own admission, the amount of

665
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:03,279
Speaker 2: money that all of these banks twenty banks have paid

666
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:06,719
Speaker 2: out has been astronomical, and we just don't know what

667
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:11,839
Speaker 2: they were what they were either laundering or ignoring, Like

668
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:15,760
Speaker 2: to what end was it? Human beings the entire time

669
00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:19,200
Speaker 2: be possible, and if it is possible.

670
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:23,080
Speaker 5: There were lost opportunities to make certain bail arguments and

671
00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:25,560
Speaker 5: things that would have applied if that was the case.

672
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:29,000
Speaker 5: You know Epstein's first tour through jail, I mean he

673
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:31,399
Speaker 5: was running the place he could leave during the day

674
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:34,080
Speaker 5: if this was somebody involved, and not to say his

675
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:36,560
Speaker 5: crimes at that point weren't serious, but if this is

676
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:39,120
Speaker 5: somebody involved in international drug dealing, they're not getting a

677
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:41,759
Speaker 5: day passed from the jail. This could have also brought

678
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:44,879
Speaker 5: in a reco charge. Those are reco predicates. So we're

679
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:47,560
Speaker 5: looking at the entire other aspects of the federal law

680
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:50,600
Speaker 5: that weren't touched upon when we were talking about what

681
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:53,120
Speaker 5: Jeffrey Epstein was actually.

682
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:56,719
Speaker 2: Facing that because it seems like it's possible that the

683
00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:59,439
Speaker 2: system was being controlled by a differences.

684
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:00,640
Speaker 3: Right.

685
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:04,200
Speaker 2: You know, if you try to escape from the hospital

686
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:06,640
Speaker 2: because you know, you just need to get away from

687
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:10,200
Speaker 2: all the surgeries, and you run to the cab and

688
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:12,920
Speaker 2: the doctor picks you up, it's like it's everywhere you go.

689
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:14,600
Speaker 3: It's the worst analogy.

690
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:18,080
Speaker 2: But my point is it seems as though, according to survivors,

691
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:21,520
Speaker 2: at every bend there was yet another block.

692
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:24,359
Speaker 3: And if you're going to law enforcement, or.

693
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:28,719
Speaker 2: If you're telling loved ones, if you're talking to your

694
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:32,879
Speaker 2: professor or confessing to anybody, it seems like the main

695
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:35,560
Speaker 2: players were kind of pull in on it. How could

696
00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:38,359
Speaker 2: that even be. I'm still I'm still wrapping my brain

697
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:40,320
Speaker 2: around to Jarrett.

698
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:42,799
Speaker 5: We all are. I think the whole country is just

699
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:47,319
Speaker 5: coming to terms with just the web of people and

700
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:51,520
Speaker 5: money and power that this group, and it goes beyond Epstein.

701
00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:53,760
Speaker 5: The group was associated.

702
00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:56,520
Speaker 2: Exactly well beyond Epstein. Epstein worked for people. You know,

703
00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:59,400
Speaker 2: the bottom line, And you know, I'm personally reading a

704
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:03,160
Speaker 2: lot and learning a lot through this process. Just about

705
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:05,920
Speaker 2: the psychological warfare. We talked about it a little bit

706
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:08,440
Speaker 2: last night. We'll definitely talk about it way more next week.

707
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:14,480
Speaker 2: But just how there's maybe this higher layer of fancy elites,

708
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:17,719
Speaker 2: you know, the rich, and maybe we're the peasants that

709
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:20,759
Speaker 2: are essentially calling the shots. And by maybe releasing some

710
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:24,680
Speaker 2: of this information too, it's sort of guaranteeing this this

711
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:28,160
Speaker 2: like learned helplessness, if that makes sense. Like we're all

712
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:32,840
Speaker 2: sort of feeling overwhelmed and fatigued by it and a

713
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:36,000
Speaker 2: little helpless and then triggered and then angry and then helpless.

714
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:38,680
Speaker 2: And I know that's not the answer. We have to

715
00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:41,439
Speaker 2: stay hopeful that there is an answer in a way,

716
00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:43,160
Speaker 2: a way to solve this.

717
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:48,160
Speaker 4: I don't have the answer, I mean, what is the solution?

718
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:51,440
Speaker 3: Though everybody gets around. I got to keep talking about it.

719
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:52,600
Speaker 3: We're going to keep getting through them.

720
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:55,080
Speaker 2: We're going to get through all of the files and

721
00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:58,319
Speaker 2: as Jared said, trying to find these patterns. You know,

722
00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:04,720
Speaker 2: we're tracking the pattern, but it's it's so much information. Yeah,

723
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:07,160
Speaker 2: and you know there does seem to be junk. Also,

724
00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:10,360
Speaker 2: there's plenty of junk in there too, and you know,

725
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:13,680
Speaker 2: weaving through that, whether that's intentional or otherwise. You know,

726
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:17,839
Speaker 2: there's so much to get through completely out of context

727
00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:20,719
Speaker 2: that to your point, it requires you going from page

728
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:23,879
Speaker 2: five to page five hundred and fifty to connect one

729
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:25,880
Speaker 2: dot and then okay, that's one dot, and then you

730
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:28,959
Speaker 2: keep going. But some of the big ticket items are real,

731
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:31,080
Speaker 2: and I mean, look at the bare minimum, I think

732
00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:33,000
Speaker 2: it's fair to say that there's real question to be

733
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:34,200
Speaker 2: had about his suicide.

734
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:36,400
Speaker 3: We've talked about it here so much.

735
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:39,520
Speaker 2: You know, forensics Joseph Scott Morgan of course said that

736
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:42,840
Speaker 2: he did not feel that the forensics were in line

737
00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:45,080
Speaker 2: with the suicide messaging.

738
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:47,440
Speaker 3: Not any psychologists.

739
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:50,560
Speaker 4: Experts about it. I mean, but that's he's not alone.

740
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:54,240
Speaker 2: And even today, pathologists are screaming from the rooftops basically

741
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:57,520
Speaker 2: saying like there is real proof here that was, you know,

742
00:42:57,640 --> 00:43:00,960
Speaker 2: a real potential lie. And I guess that's the problem

743
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 2: when you see one of those things and then that

744
00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:06,000
Speaker 2: leads to another and then and now it all just

745
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:07,240
Speaker 2: feels so messy.

746
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:08,640
Speaker 3: I don't know how to see through it yet.

747
00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:13,120
Speaker 5: I think the solution though, you know, I unfortunately saw

748
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:16,319
Speaker 5: a great deal of corruption in my local community some

749
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:20,040
Speaker 5: time ago. The solution is that good people can't stay silent,

750
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:22,960
Speaker 5: you know, and they can't stay uninformed. They have to

751
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:28,240
Speaker 5: hold bad people accountable. Whoever those good people are, they

752
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:31,000
Speaker 5: have to do it. And that's the thing. And you know,

753
00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:34,600
Speaker 5: people like Joseph Scott Morgan no slouch, you know, and

754
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:38,440
Speaker 5: doctor Boden who's saying the hioid bone was impacted here

755
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:40,680
Speaker 5: in a way that would suggest this is not a suicide.

756
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:44,360
Speaker 5: I used doctor Boden on hioid bone cases to prove

757
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:47,680
Speaker 5: the manner of death. I mean, this is someone who

758
00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:51,239
Speaker 5: is a the recognized expert in that field and he

759
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:53,040
Speaker 5: says it's bs.

760
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:55,560
Speaker 2: You know that cam BONDI told us there was a

761
00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:58,319
Speaker 2: missing minute and that was standard. And then Cash could

762
00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:01,200
Speaker 2: tell that there was no suicide saw it for themselves,

763
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:05,120
Speaker 2: like it's So that's the part that is so dysregulating

764
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:08,400
Speaker 2: because you don't know where to rest your belief system

765
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:11,040
Speaker 2: a little bit or who to look to for Just

766
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:13,480
Speaker 2: give it to me straight. We just want the direct truth.

767
00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:15,920
Speaker 2: Information is everything.

768
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:19,880
Speaker 3: Well, I think what you said, Jared is that you know,

769
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:23,000
Speaker 3: good people just need to speak up and continue and

770
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:27,239
Speaker 3: at least some information is coming out like this new information.

771
00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:31,279
Speaker 3: For example, the DEA investigation that was opened back in

772
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:35,000
Speaker 3: twenty ten in New York and remained active at least

773
00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:40,200
Speaker 3: for five years, suggesting pending court actions and search warrants.

774
00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:45,120
Speaker 3: And this investigation stemmed from a request to the Organized

775
00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:50,759
Speaker 3: Crime Drug Enforcement Task Forces, which yeah, it all had

776
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:53,880
Speaker 3: to do with organized crime and drug trafficking, and memos

777
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:59,640
Speaker 3: detail approximately fifty five zero million dollars in suspicious wire

778
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:05,800
Speaker 3: trans firs between those five years with Epstein and other Remember.

779
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:08,479
Speaker 5: One thing where Epstein got his power, other than being

780
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:12,200
Speaker 5: tied to everybody, was he knew money. And if you're

781
00:45:12,239 --> 00:45:16,680
Speaker 5: an international criminal, you cannot just put all the money

782
00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:20,000
Speaker 5: you're making in your pocket. You need someone who knows money.

783
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:24,520
Speaker 5: And he so whether or not Jeffrey Epstein wasn't slinging

784
00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:27,839
Speaker 5: dope on the corner in New York. He was if

785
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:31,880
Speaker 5: you needed millions of dollars moved. By all accounts, he

786
00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:35,080
Speaker 5: was a guy you can see. And it sounds to

787
00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:38,360
Speaker 5: me like what's coming out about the DEA is it's

788
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:39,920
Speaker 5: major moving of money.

789
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Speaker 3: Was he moving money for like the cartowns maybe or

790
00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:44,800
Speaker 3: something like that.

791
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:46,280
Speaker 6: Maybe?

792
00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:50,160
Speaker 5: Well, and that's it's certainly organized. It's that kind of money.

793
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:56,000
Speaker 7: You know, Cartel didn't work for you know, the cartil

794
00:45:56,040 --> 00:45:58,200
Speaker 7: worked for him probably if that was the case, I

795
00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:02,719
Speaker 7: mean the yeah, yeah, very organized global operation.

796
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:04,560
Speaker 3: You know, we're connecting the dots.

797
00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:07,440
Speaker 2: The sea is a big piece of this puzzle also,

798
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:09,120
Speaker 2: you know, just the fact that the island is in

799
00:46:09,160 --> 00:46:13,200
Speaker 2: the Caribbean, and you know the the laws are different

800
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:14,800
Speaker 2: when you're at sea, et cetera.

801
00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:17,719
Speaker 4: So I'm just like all this unrest that's happening in

802
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:19,280
Speaker 4: Mexico right now, like is it connected?

803
00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:20,640
Speaker 3: I don't know.

804
00:46:20,719 --> 00:46:23,279
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm going crazy started. I'm getting me started because

805
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:24,760
Speaker 2: I'm crazy. I've lost my mind.

806
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:28,840
Speaker 3: It does seem like Mexico, from where we were two

807
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:34,879
Speaker 3: days ago, has tamped down. Yeah, thank god, yeah, thank god.

808
00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:38,120
Speaker 2: We're wishing so many good things for those who are

809
00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:41,200
Speaker 2: you know, living through that in Mexico right now and

810
00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:43,279
Speaker 2: Aco Poco Now.

811
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Speaker 3: Well, stick around because at the top of the hour,

812
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:51,120
Speaker 3: Jarrett Farentino, our prosecutor, is staying with us and we're

813
00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:53,560
Speaker 3: going to talk about the fact that prosecutors are pursuing

814
00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:57,840
Speaker 3: the death penalty in the Tyler rob Robinson case and

815
00:46:57,960 --> 00:47:01,600
Speaker 3: also talk about testimony that continue in the Corey Richan's

816
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:05,399
Speaker 3: trial and a potential connection between the two. Keep it here,

817
00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:08,560
Speaker 3: True Crime Tonight.

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00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:20,880
Speaker 2: Welcome back to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking

819
00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:24,440
Speaker 2: true crime all the time. I'm Stephanieleidecker here with Courtney Armstrong.

820
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:28,400
Speaker 2: Body move in, and we have Jared Farentino, our favorite prosecutor,

821
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:30,360
Speaker 2: answering any of your legal questions.

822
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Speaker 3: Feel free to join us. Eight eight A three one Crime.

823
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Speaker 2: We're talking all things Epstein right now, or we're just

824
00:47:36,719 --> 00:47:40,120
Speaker 2: talking Epstein because the all things will take us ten years.

825
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:43,080
Speaker 2: But you know, at its core, tomorrow's a very big day.

826
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Speaker 2: Hillary Clinton will of course go before the Oversight Committee

827
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Speaker 2: to share what she does or does not know. The

828
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Speaker 2: following day, on Friday, She'll be followed by Bill Clinton,

829
00:47:51,080 --> 00:47:53,759
Speaker 2: her husband. We are very curious to hear how this

830
00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:56,080
Speaker 2: is all going down. I have not heard too much

831
00:47:56,120 --> 00:47:59,520
Speaker 2: chatter about it today, so it has not been on

832
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:04,680
Speaker 2: uh front page news or in any of the mainstream places.

833
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:07,680
Speaker 2: So I am curious how that's going to basically, I

834
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:08,760
Speaker 2: guess play out tomorrow.

835
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:09,520
Speaker 3: We shall see.

836
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:12,239
Speaker 2: And Yeah, in terms of following the money, I think

837
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:13,480
Speaker 2: we got to continue to do so.

838
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:17,120
Speaker 3: I do think the money is going to be the through.

839
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Speaker 2: Line here to your point, Jarrett, And yeah, you know,

840
00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:24,800
Speaker 2: keep on keeping on. We're getting through them, We're getting

841
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:28,240
Speaker 2: through these files. Yeah, Court, what do you think.

842
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:33,239
Speaker 3: Well, do we want to stay on this tack or

843
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:35,880
Speaker 3: talk about Tyler Robinson?

844
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:36,560
Speaker 5: Oh?

845
00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:38,759
Speaker 3: That's how about Tyler Robinson. I don't even know what's

846
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:43,480
Speaker 3: going on that one, and we haven't as you mentioned earlier, Stephanie,

847
00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:45,560
Speaker 3: we haven't spoken about this in a while.

848
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:46,959
Speaker 4: It's been so time.

849
00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:51,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, So to bring you back, we all likely remember

850
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:53,800
Speaker 3: the horrible moment when Charlie Kirk, he was CEO of

851
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:57,400
Speaker 3: co founder of Turning Point USA, he was shot and

852
00:48:57,480 --> 00:49:02,440
Speaker 3: killed at Utah Valley University back and so September and

853
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:06,880
Speaker 3: for all to see now, twenty two year old Tyler

854
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:10,759
Speaker 3: Robinson is the ACU shooter and he's been charged with

855
00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:15,600
Speaker 3: aggravated murder as well as several other crimes. So just recently,

856
00:49:15,719 --> 00:49:19,359
Speaker 3: the judge denied the defense's request to move the Utah

857
00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:24,359
Speaker 3: County Attorney's office from the case despite claims of a

858
00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:28,840
Speaker 3: potential conflict of interest. And this potential conflict of interest

859
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:32,759
Speaker 3: is that the prosecutor's child was at the event where

860
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Speaker 3: the shooting was happening.

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Speaker 4: So there's like some sort of emotionally charged reasy.

862
00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:40,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, so here's a couple of details. And then I'm

863
00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:45,160
Speaker 3: very curious, particularly Jared, what your thoughts. So Jeopardy prosecutor,

864
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:50,840
Speaker 3: it's a guy named Chad grunt Grunnigander. I believe he

865
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Speaker 3: testified that his eighteen year old child is a student

866
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Speaker 3: at Utah Valley University, was president at the event, however,

867
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Speaker 3: was not in danger and did not witness the sh

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00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:08,040
Speaker 3: And yes it is. And the attorney's office also disclosed

869
00:50:08,080 --> 00:50:12,719
Speaker 3: the possible conflict regarding the child on October twentieth, which

870
00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:16,280
Speaker 3: is a little over a month after the shooting. And

871
00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:20,239
Speaker 3: you know, the prosecutor said, no, that the fact that

872
00:50:20,280 --> 00:50:24,520
Speaker 3: my child was there will not affect his decision at all. So, Jared,

873
00:50:25,239 --> 00:50:27,640
Speaker 3: is this a big deal? Small deal? Grounds? For a

874
00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:28,239
Speaker 3: pl deal.

875
00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:32,320
Speaker 5: It could have been a big deal. So two things

876
00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:35,919
Speaker 5: you said are why it's not a big deal. Number one,

877
00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:39,239
Speaker 5: his son was not a witness, so he will not

878
00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:43,840
Speaker 5: be testifying. He has no knowledge of any material element

879
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:45,920
Speaker 5: of the crime. He's not going to be on the

880
00:50:45,960 --> 00:50:50,239
Speaker 5: witness stand. That would be problematic from an emotional standpoint,

881
00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:55,120
Speaker 5: from the independence of the prosecutor, no bias of the prosecutor,

882
00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:57,640
Speaker 5: that would be a problem. The second thing you said,

883
00:50:57,640 --> 00:51:00,319
Speaker 5: I think is even more profound. His son at no

884
00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:03,600
Speaker 5: time was in any danger. One of the reasons this

885
00:51:03,680 --> 00:51:09,560
Speaker 5: is an aggravated murder is because Tyler, as alleged Tyler Robinson,

886
00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:14,520
Speaker 5: shot Charlie Kirk and risked the lives of all of them.

887
00:51:14,680 --> 00:51:19,160
Speaker 5: Never seen that plan sight. So if the prosecutor's son

888
00:51:19,719 --> 00:51:22,279
Speaker 5: was in that line of sight, he would have been

889
00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:25,440
Speaker 5: a potential victim. And one of the reasons they are

890
00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:28,760
Speaker 5: seeking the death penalty, which is grave risk to others,

891
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:31,080
Speaker 5: he would have been one of the others. So those

892
00:51:31,120 --> 00:51:35,319
Speaker 5: two facts really say although his son was there, not

893
00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:40,000
Speaker 5: great certainly an argument I would have raised as a

894
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:43,239
Speaker 5: defense attorney. I think the judge is going to be

895
00:51:43,320 --> 00:51:47,960
Speaker 5: well within his right to say no, this individual is

896
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:51,040
Speaker 5: not a material witness. He certainly did not factor in

897
00:51:51,160 --> 00:51:55,640
Speaker 5: the consideration of the aggravated murder decision and then the

898
00:51:55,680 --> 00:51:59,520
Speaker 5: death penalty opponent. So I think it's okay, it's close,

899
00:51:59,600 --> 00:52:02,200
Speaker 5: But you got to remember there's thousands of people there.

900
00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:04,960
Speaker 5: That university is big. In that time. You're going to

901
00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:09,480
Speaker 5: be running into situations where a relative has some association

902
00:52:10,040 --> 00:52:13,239
Speaker 5: to a case. The question becomes, what is the association?

903
00:52:13,560 --> 00:52:15,840
Speaker 5: Is it prejudicial to the case, and is it so

904
00:52:16,080 --> 00:52:19,319
Speaker 5: material that the prosecutor will be unable to do their job.

905
00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:20,239
Speaker 5: I don't see it here.

906
00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:24,920
Speaker 2: Okay, interesting, I would have assumed this was a complete startover.

907
00:52:25,239 --> 00:52:28,680
Speaker 2: Like to me, that was enough of a connection. I'm

908
00:52:28,719 --> 00:52:30,319
Speaker 2: surprised to hear you say that, actually, but.

909
00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:31,320
Speaker 3: It does make sense.

910
00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:33,799
Speaker 2: I mean, a judge is that's their job is to

911
00:52:33,840 --> 00:52:37,319
Speaker 2: be impartial, right, So, but it's to me that just

912
00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:39,919
Speaker 2: felt very close to home.

913
00:52:40,040 --> 00:52:41,120
Speaker 3: You know, it's your child.

914
00:52:41,239 --> 00:52:43,279
Speaker 2: I could imagine that must have been a harrowing day

915
00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:45,120
Speaker 2: even if they weren't in the line of fire.

916
00:52:45,239 --> 00:52:47,480
Speaker 3: And that's my dangerous scenario.

917
00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:52,440
Speaker 4: Like subconsciously, is he going to be overzealous in like

918
00:52:52,520 --> 00:52:57,799
Speaker 4: the charging documents and whatnot? Just because of his proximity too.

919
00:52:58,400 --> 00:53:01,600
Speaker 5: But he can be he can see he's not the judge,

920
00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:06,280
Speaker 5: the prosecutor, so he can be overzealous, he can be passionate.

921
00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:10,360
Speaker 5: The question becomes is he biased because he's going to

922
00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:13,080
Speaker 5: be looking at I mean, I agree, I think my god,

923
00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:15,560
Speaker 5: I would have been horrified if my child was there.

924
00:53:15,600 --> 00:53:19,680
Speaker 5: But it doesn't create a legal situation where his son

925
00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:22,719
Speaker 5: is on the stand or his son was in the

926
00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:25,600
Speaker 5: line of that's a total like that takes our concern

927
00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:28,439
Speaker 5: and our knee jerk reaction to a whole other level.

928
00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:32,840
Speaker 5: That's legalation. So look, the prosecutor could admit I was

929
00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:35,080
Speaker 5: afraid that day, I was concerned. I was happy to

930
00:53:35,080 --> 00:53:37,120
Speaker 5: hear my son was okay. That doesn't mean I'm not

931
00:53:37,120 --> 00:53:40,080
Speaker 5: going to be able to legitimately and lawfully prove Tyler

932
00:53:40,160 --> 00:53:42,200
Speaker 5: Robinson's finger was on that trigger.

933
00:53:42,280 --> 00:53:45,920
Speaker 4: Right, and nothing changes even if he stepped away, right, Like,

934
00:53:46,080 --> 00:53:48,600
Speaker 4: they got a new prosecutor in there from the office.

935
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:51,719
Speaker 5: You know, that's a big ask to move a prosecutor

936
00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:54,200
Speaker 5: as a big ask. I've had that motion made against

937
00:53:54,200 --> 00:53:57,040
Speaker 5: me or my office on occasion. It's a big ask.

938
00:53:57,120 --> 00:53:59,719
Speaker 5: If you better, you better come ready to argue.

939
00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:02,200
Speaker 4: It because can I ask a dumb question, a personal question,

940
00:54:02,680 --> 00:54:05,080
Speaker 4: did you when that happened to you? Did you ever

941
00:54:05,080 --> 00:54:07,960
Speaker 4: get like offended? Like or like where you're feelings?

942
00:54:08,120 --> 00:54:08,640
Speaker 3: Your feelings?

943
00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:14,479
Speaker 5: You know, I think the most offensive you the most

944
00:54:14,480 --> 00:54:17,080
Speaker 5: offended you get is when people say you've committed an

945
00:54:17,080 --> 00:54:20,120
Speaker 5: act of prosecutorial misconduct. You know, you do the best.

946
00:54:20,280 --> 00:54:22,319
Speaker 5: First of all, you do the best because hopefully you're

947
00:54:22,320 --> 00:54:26,359
Speaker 5: a good person. The other thing is you understand misconduct

948
00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:29,840
Speaker 5: could jeopardize the entire case. So when you're accused, like

949
00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:32,759
Speaker 5: I had a defense layer accused me of prosecutorial misconduct

950
00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:35,000
Speaker 5: like three times in a row, I'm like, guy, this

951
00:54:35,160 --> 00:54:37,680
Speaker 5: is starting to get old, like and you're starting to

952
00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:41,440
Speaker 5: piss me off, like, but sometimes you have to consider

953
00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:43,840
Speaker 5: the source. You know, there are many colleagues that are

954
00:54:43,880 --> 00:54:46,520
Speaker 5: on the defense that I respected, and I would I

955
00:54:46,520 --> 00:54:48,840
Speaker 5: would take the argument, you know, and say, look, this

956
00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:52,000
Speaker 5: wasn't an act of misconduct. You're misconstruing it or it

957
00:54:52,040 --> 00:54:54,719
Speaker 5: didn't happen. But yes, you get offended.

958
00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:56,280
Speaker 3: But but like, you have to have thick.

959
00:54:56,120 --> 00:54:58,040
Speaker 5: Skin in this business. You won't make it in this

960
00:54:58,120 --> 00:54:59,560
Speaker 5: business if you don't have thick skin.

961
00:54:59,680 --> 00:55:01,399
Speaker 3: Right, But if it's like.

962
00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:04,799
Speaker 4: A big case with a lot of attention on it,

963
00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:08,520
Speaker 4: and you're being told that you're biased or you need

964
00:55:08,560 --> 00:55:09,280
Speaker 4: to be removed.

965
00:55:09,360 --> 00:55:10,719
Speaker 3: I think my feelings would be hurt.

966
00:55:11,080 --> 00:55:13,400
Speaker 5: Well, those are the ones that happens the most, trust me,

967
00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:15,919
Speaker 5: and the biggest cases of my life. It happened every time,

968
00:55:16,239 --> 00:55:20,640
Speaker 5: and you know you just have to kind of fight through.

969
00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:25,600
Speaker 3: It, right And Jared you mentioned earlier that is a prosecutor,

970
00:55:25,640 --> 00:55:28,760
Speaker 3: not the judge, and in this case, as an all cages,

971
00:55:28,880 --> 00:55:32,879
Speaker 3: the judge has the final say. And Tony Graff did

972
00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:36,880
Speaker 3: rule that they didn't think that the child's presence material

973
00:55:37,080 --> 00:55:41,000
Speaker 3: influence the actions. There appeared there was no bias, the

974
00:55:41,080 --> 00:55:45,080
Speaker 3: bias or unique information relevant to the case. There was

975
00:55:45,120 --> 00:55:49,320
Speaker 3: one thing I found interesting that the prosecutor said they

976
00:55:49,360 --> 00:55:51,720
Speaker 3: don't plan to call the child as a witness. Eighteen

977
00:55:51,800 --> 00:55:57,680
Speaker 3: years old, so not a child but his child, his child. However,

978
00:55:58,280 --> 00:56:02,520
Speaker 3: the defense could subpoena if needed. Could there be some

979
00:56:02,719 --> 00:56:05,960
Speaker 3: trickery or look here like, would that be something the

980
00:56:05,960 --> 00:56:09,080
Speaker 3: defense might do just to take things they can?

981
00:56:09,320 --> 00:56:11,839
Speaker 5: But what has to happen. You just can't call any

982
00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:15,759
Speaker 5: random person on if the defense called the prosecutor's son,

983
00:56:16,360 --> 00:56:20,359
Speaker 5: we would just say, and that's a good thought. Though

984
00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:22,680
Speaker 5: if the defense called him, you would approach the judge

985
00:56:22,719 --> 00:56:25,360
Speaker 5: and say, I want to proffer on this witness. Why

986
00:56:25,480 --> 00:56:29,400
Speaker 5: of the thousands of people there, this child was not

987
00:56:29,680 --> 00:56:32,440
Speaker 5: anywhere near this you know, filled out a statement that

988
00:56:32,440 --> 00:56:34,680
Speaker 5: said I was getting a soda at the time or whatever.

989
00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:38,960
Speaker 5: I'm only saying that, but that shows bad faith on

990
00:56:39,040 --> 00:56:41,560
Speaker 5: the part of the defense, and that witness would likely

991
00:56:41,640 --> 00:56:45,040
Speaker 5: be blocked if they can't show he had relevant and

992
00:56:45,080 --> 00:56:47,880
Speaker 5: he's irrelevant information and he's only being brought in to

993
00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:52,520
Speaker 5: kneecap the prosecution and create this issue. That's really bad faith,

994
00:56:52,680 --> 00:56:55,680
Speaker 5: and the judge would be wise to prevent that person

995
00:56:55,719 --> 00:56:56,880
Speaker 5: from getting on the stand.

996
00:56:57,719 --> 00:57:00,359
Speaker 3: And that's why I'm not an attorney, because I want

997
00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:00,960
Speaker 3: to do just that.

998
00:57:01,600 --> 00:57:04,120
Speaker 5: Well, hey, and who could blame you? Right?

999
00:57:06,280 --> 00:57:10,520
Speaker 3: Just to wrap the preliminary hearing is set for the

1000
00:57:10,560 --> 00:57:13,200
Speaker 3: middle of May May eighteenth and has slated to last

1001
00:57:13,239 --> 00:57:17,800
Speaker 3: about three days. And there have been no please entered

1002
00:57:18,720 --> 00:57:22,680
Speaker 3: on behalf of Tyler Robinson, which I think is is

1003
00:57:22,680 --> 00:57:23,600
Speaker 3: that odd.

1004
00:57:24,760 --> 00:57:27,560
Speaker 5: I don't know what the procedure is in Utah. I mean, essentially,

1005
00:57:27,640 --> 00:57:30,000
Speaker 5: if no plea is entered, it's assumed he's pleading not

1006
00:57:30,080 --> 00:57:34,320
Speaker 5: guilty and moving forward. You know, so if you remember

1007
00:57:34,360 --> 00:57:39,200
Speaker 5: Brian Colberger didn't speak, is not guilty? Please remember yes,

1008
00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:42,920
Speaker 5: so at some point you are automatically assumed to have

1009
00:57:43,160 --> 00:57:46,400
Speaker 5: led not guilty, even if you don't say it out loud.

1010
00:57:47,120 --> 00:57:49,680
Speaker 5: But it's pretty clear he's not pleading.

1011
00:57:49,320 --> 00:57:53,080
Speaker 3: Guilty, right if you're just joining us, this is true

1012
00:57:53,080 --> 00:57:55,440
Speaker 3: crime tonight, And we were just wrapping up a segment

1013
00:57:55,600 --> 00:58:01,840
Speaker 3: about the fact that Charlie Kirk's alleged murderer, Tyler Robinson,

1014
00:58:02,600 --> 00:58:05,560
Speaker 3: his next court appearance will be May eighteenth. We will

1015
00:58:05,640 --> 00:58:10,439
Speaker 3: keep you abreast. Jarrett Farentino, prosecutor, is here with us,

1016
00:58:11,040 --> 00:58:13,080
Speaker 3: and I think we are going to move it over

1017
00:58:13,320 --> 00:58:18,560
Speaker 3: to Correy Richards one Utah. You know killer accused killer

1018
00:58:18,640 --> 00:58:21,240
Speaker 3: to another right well and with a with a little

1019
00:58:21,320 --> 00:58:22,480
Speaker 3: something common.

1020
00:58:22,920 --> 00:58:27,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, they have the same lawyer odds, So Charlie Kirk,

1021
00:58:27,880 --> 00:58:32,160
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, not Charlie Kirk, my apologies. The guy accused

1022
00:58:32,200 --> 00:58:36,960
Speaker 4: of killing Charlie Kirk, Tyler Robinson. His lawyer is Kathy Nester,

1023
00:58:37,480 --> 00:58:41,160
Speaker 4: who is also Corey richins attorney.

1024
00:58:41,920 --> 00:58:45,080
Speaker 2: Isn't that Corey Richards is the woman who was accused

1025
00:58:45,160 --> 00:58:49,200
Speaker 2: of killing her husband with fentanyl, which we talked about

1026
00:58:49,320 --> 00:58:53,240
Speaker 2: last night, and she went on to write several grieving books,

1027
00:58:53,680 --> 00:58:57,640
Speaker 2: books about how to grieve for her children because they

1028
00:58:57,640 --> 00:59:00,560
Speaker 2: were obviously struggling with the loss of their dad, and

1029
00:59:00,560 --> 00:59:04,560
Speaker 2: and now she's been accused of the loss of their dad,

1030
00:59:05,040 --> 00:59:06,880
Speaker 2: which is pabolical if that's true.

1031
00:59:07,200 --> 00:59:10,240
Speaker 4: Right, So today was day three, Yesterday was day two,

1032
00:59:10,920 --> 00:59:15,480
Speaker 4: and what happened yesterday was basically the first responders were testifying.

1033
00:59:16,800 --> 00:59:21,880
Speaker 4: Deputy Vincent Wynn and e Mt. Margaret Offrett testified. They

1034
00:59:21,960 --> 00:59:26,160
Speaker 4: arrived early on the scene. They found Eric Richins deceased

1035
00:59:26,360 --> 00:59:32,520
Speaker 4: with unusual positioning and blood was at his mouth, and

1036
00:59:32,560 --> 00:59:36,440
Speaker 4: so they attempted CPR and gave him Narcan's what's interesting

1037
00:59:36,520 --> 00:59:42,120
Speaker 4: about his position positioning is Eric the victim here, Eric Richins,

1038
00:59:42,480 --> 00:59:46,320
Speaker 4: he was. It was considered unusual because the first responders

1039
00:59:46,360 --> 00:59:49,520
Speaker 4: found him lying like straight on the end of the

1040
00:59:50,120 --> 00:59:53,000
Speaker 4: foot of the bed, like it seemed like he had

1041
00:59:53,040 --> 00:59:57,120
Speaker 4: been like normally they find you them on your side

1042
00:59:57,320 --> 01:00:01,840
Speaker 4: or if you're in the throes right of something, and

1043
01:00:02,040 --> 01:00:07,640
Speaker 4: so it just seemed very unusual. The EMS responder offer

1044
01:00:07,680 --> 01:00:11,760
Speaker 4: it stated that his positioning was unusual compared to typical

1045
01:00:11,840 --> 01:00:15,720
Speaker 4: patient scenarios where during a medical emergency, a person is

1046
01:00:15,760 --> 01:00:19,520
Speaker 4: often found like on their side or at an angle,

1047
01:00:20,440 --> 01:00:23,480
Speaker 4: and she noted that when the patient has fallen or

1048
01:00:23,560 --> 01:00:27,280
Speaker 4: been moved, one would usually expect to see their limbs

1049
01:00:27,320 --> 01:00:30,640
Speaker 4: like flailed about, rather than laid out in such a

1050
01:00:30,680 --> 01:00:35,400
Speaker 4: precise straight manner. So she thought that was just unusual.

1051
01:00:36,320 --> 01:00:39,040
Speaker 4: I thought that was interesting. That was probably, in my opinion,

1052
01:00:39,120 --> 01:00:41,400
Speaker 4: one of the most interesting things that happened yesterday.

1053
01:00:42,480 --> 01:00:43,600
Speaker 3: Excuse me, I'm so sorry.

1054
01:00:45,920 --> 01:00:50,360
Speaker 4: The deputy on scene, Deputy Win He said that Corey

1055
01:00:50,440 --> 01:00:55,919
Speaker 4: Richand's emotional reaction was, you know, atypical, and he didn't

1056
01:00:55,920 --> 01:00:58,280
Speaker 4: really see anything. She was, you know, kind of covering

1057
01:00:58,320 --> 01:01:00,960
Speaker 4: her mouth with her hands, like you know, I just

1058
01:01:01,000 --> 01:01:02,800
Speaker 4: did it like you guys can see me, you know,

1059
01:01:02,920 --> 01:01:06,200
Speaker 4: like like like when you're sad and you don't know

1060
01:01:06,200 --> 01:01:06,520
Speaker 4: what to do.

1061
01:01:06,840 --> 01:01:07,320
Speaker 3: He seemed it was.

1062
01:01:07,360 --> 01:01:09,439
Speaker 4: He thought it was very atypical and didn't really notice

1063
01:01:09,440 --> 01:01:14,040
Speaker 4: anything about it. Technicians documented the scene. They collected obviously

1064
01:01:14,080 --> 01:01:20,760
Speaker 4: the victim's body, his prescription medications, his gummies, THHD gummies, phones, tweezers,

1065
01:01:20,760 --> 01:01:24,640
Speaker 4: a bed sheet, and whatnot. The medical examiner's autopsy confirmed

1066
01:01:24,760 --> 01:01:29,000
Speaker 4: the toxic fentanyl levels. And one thing that is interesting

1067
01:01:29,640 --> 01:01:33,600
Speaker 4: the medicine was never tested for ventanyl, which is interesting.

1068
01:01:35,560 --> 01:01:38,800
Speaker 4: The I don't know, I think there could be something there.

1069
01:01:38,800 --> 01:01:41,200
Speaker 4: Do you think the defense could bring that up Jarrett

1070
01:01:41,200 --> 01:01:45,800
Speaker 4: that they never tested the hydrocodone on his bedside, bring that.

1071
01:01:45,840 --> 01:01:49,960
Speaker 3: Up, said, it's like the opening statement. That's like the lead. Right,

1072
01:01:50,040 --> 01:01:50,680
Speaker 3: that's like the lead.

1073
01:01:50,800 --> 01:01:51,040
Speaker 4: Right.

1074
01:01:51,680 --> 01:01:52,600
Speaker 3: I would agree.

1075
01:01:53,360 --> 01:01:56,640
Speaker 5: Wow, I mean you you failed to exclude an alternate

1076
01:01:56,720 --> 01:02:00,440
Speaker 5: source of fentanyl in the room, right, They would be

1077
01:02:00,440 --> 01:02:02,160
Speaker 5: committing malpractice if they don't.

1078
01:02:02,040 --> 01:02:03,600
Speaker 3: Raise it, like, she could get off for that.

1079
01:02:03,800 --> 01:02:07,200
Speaker 4: I think if if it creates enough doubt, right, depend

1080
01:02:07,280 --> 01:02:08,120
Speaker 4: the argument.

1081
01:02:07,840 --> 01:02:09,560
Speaker 3: Is that much.

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Speaker 5: The investigation was incomplete. You know. The core is you

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Speaker 5: don't know where the fentanyl came from, and it could

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Speaker 5: have come from this bottle.

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Speaker 3: Right, and you never tested it to be sure correct?

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Speaker 5: Right?

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, if she gets off, I will just well,

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Speaker 3: maybe is it possible she's innocent? No, never never heard

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Speaker 3: list Okay, that is.

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Speaker 5: Neither. But you know the other thing is.

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Speaker 3: If that if that description.

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Speaker 5: Filled or something like that, that could really you could

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Speaker 5: That's what I'm saying around that, but I'd be arguing it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you would well, stick around. We're going to continue

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Speaker 3: this conversation about accused Corey Richens, and Jarrett Farantino is

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Speaker 3: going to lend us his legal brain to do it.

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Speaker 6: True Crime Tonight.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking

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Speaker 2: true crime all the time. I'm Stephanie Leidecker here with

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Speaker 2: Courtney Armstrong and body move in on our favorite legal

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Speaker 2: night with Jarrett Farantino, a tremendous prosecutor and attorney. He's

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Speaker 2: also been in all of our documentaries and he does

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Speaker 2: our podcasts. So Jarrett, thank you for coming yet again.

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Speaker 2: I know we hold you hostage. We always book Jared

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Speaker 2: for segrament do and then it ends up being like

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Speaker 2: stay for the hour. We just need to do a

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Speaker 2: twenty four hour marathon.

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Speaker 3: It's like all little questions for Jarrett.

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Speaker 2: So again, I know it's so late on the East

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Speaker 2: Coast for you, So thank you so much for hanging in.

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Speaker 3: What do we want to do now we'll go to talkback.

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Speaker 4: Let's talk about I think Courtney's going to be talking

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Speaker 4: about something.

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Speaker 3: Well, Nick Reiner, we actually from speaking about the case.

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Speaker 3: We actually have some questions tied up for you, Jared,

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Speaker 3: anyone who needs to be brought up to speed. Defendant

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Speaker 3: Nick Reiner pleaded not guilty and also waived his right

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Speaker 3: to a speedy trial during his arraignment earlier this week.

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Speaker 3: And this, of course is in relation to charges that

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Speaker 3: he fatally stabbed his parents, filmmaker Rob Reiner and Michelle

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Speaker 3: Singer Reiner, So both of his parents in their Brentwood home.

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Speaker 3: This happened back right on the holidays of last year,

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Speaker 3: so about two months ago. So Reiner is facing two

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Speaker 3: counts of first degree murder with special circumstance allegations, and

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Speaker 3: he could potentially have life without parole or the death

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Speaker 3: penalty if convicted, and that is something that's being weighed

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Speaker 3: by the Processingter's office. Also, the final coroner's report is

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Speaker 3: still not out, which is not uncommon, so Jared. Under

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Speaker 3: California law, if a defendant is pleading not guilty by

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Speaker 3: reason of insanity, understanding is there's a bifurcated child process.

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Speaker 3: Can you explain how this two phase trial works?

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Speaker 5: Sure? So, buy fur caated means that there is a

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Speaker 5: guilt phase of the trial where there's a determination as

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Speaker 5: to whether or not Nick Reiner did this. So it's

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Speaker 5: I always say it's your punishing the act there, right.

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Speaker 5: The second phase is whether or not he had the

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Speaker 5: mental capacity at the time of the killing. So you

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Speaker 5: have the guilt phase and then basically the mental infirmity phase.

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Speaker 5: So in the guilt phase, which shouldn't come as a surprise,

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Speaker 5: it's on the prosecution to prove Nick Reiner killed his

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Speaker 5: mom and dad. Okay, let's assume they get there. Once

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Speaker 5: they're there, we go into what's called the mental phase

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Speaker 5: of the trial. And then basically there's a determination at

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Speaker 5: that point whether or not he was sane at the time,

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Speaker 5: whether or not he was suffering from some mental infirmity.

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Speaker 5: And it's the same jury, so they're asked that question then,

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Speaker 5: so you've already decided he did it. Now it's a

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Speaker 5: question of did he have the ability to appreciate it? Yes,

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Speaker 5: to appreciate what he was doing. And I got to say,

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Speaker 5: I mean, I saw the footage of Nick Briner yesterday,

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Speaker 5: and he is someone in the throes of a mental

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Speaker 5: health crisis. I mean clearly, So I think before you

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Speaker 5: even get into that courtroom for the guilt phase, if

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Speaker 5: you're his attorneys and you're doing your job, you're going

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Speaker 5: to see him going back and forth to be examined,

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Speaker 5: maybe into the prison system that is that houses inmates

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Speaker 5: with mental health issues, because I just foresee that this

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Speaker 5: is being a long road to this trial, even before

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Speaker 5: you get to the guilt phase. He is someone that

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Speaker 5: if you look at the tremendous weight loss, the wide eye,

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Speaker 5: look the documented history of mental health, you know, and

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Speaker 5: a lot of people they get their backs up when

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Speaker 5: they hear that, they say, oh, you know, that's pretty convenient.

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Speaker 5: This is someone who, you know, the writers have wrestled

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Speaker 5: with Nick's mental health for a long long time, and

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Speaker 5: he appears to just be in the throes of a

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Speaker 5: horrible mental health crisis.

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Speaker 4: It seems like a legitimate This isn't some guy faking

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Speaker 4: to get out of a murder, right, this is like

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Speaker 4: a legitimate, very unwell person.

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Speaker 5: Well, that's how it appears.

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Speaker 3: It appears that way to meet it, it happens.

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Speaker 5: It, you know, that's why this exists. There are crazy

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Speaker 5: people in this world that do crazy things.

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Speaker 4: Right, right, I have to kind of go ahead, body,

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Speaker 4: you know, please please please, Okay, you mentioned this is

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Speaker 4: this might be a long road, right, Well, the prosecution

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Speaker 4: office is considered ring the possible death penalty. Governor Newsom

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Speaker 4: out of California has placed a moratorium on the death

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Speaker 4: penalty in California. Is the reason that they're considering the

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Speaker 4: death penalty, you know, from the prosecutor's office. Is the

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Speaker 4: reason that they're considering it even though there is a moratorium.

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Speaker 4: Is do they expect this to take a very long

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Speaker 4: time and that moratorium may have expired or something.

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Speaker 3: It just seems like.

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Speaker 5: Sure, so a moratorium. And I've been in this situation.

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Speaker 5: I was in the midst of a death penalty case

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Speaker 5: and the governor knew. Governor put a moratorium on the

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Speaker 5: death penalty while we were in trial. Uh so you

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Speaker 5: can seek it, it can be it can be imposed

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Speaker 5: as a sentence while Governor Newsom is governor. It will

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Speaker 5: not be carried out. Now, people that get the death

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Speaker 5: sentence typically said sit on death row for an extended

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Speaker 5: period of time years. That law may change and that

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Speaker 5: sentence may ultimately be carried out. You know, it's a

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Speaker 5: political thing, but it is still leverage. I mean, your

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Speaker 5: life is still hanging in the balance, and things can change.

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Speaker 5: Someone else can get in. You know. Governor Newsom has

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Speaker 5: plans to move out of that office and move into

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Speaker 5: another one at some point, so he won't be there forever.

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Speaker 5: So that's really why prosecutors still seek it. Although there's

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Speaker 5: a moratorium, it could be eventually carried out.

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Speaker 4: More is like a temporary pause.

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Speaker 8: Basically, yes, it just basically means while that moratorium is

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Speaker 8: in place, and another governor could keep it in place,

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Speaker 8: death penalties will not be carried out.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 2: That answers that it's a terrible thing I have to say.

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Speaker 2: And I know this is probably an unpopular thing to say,

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Speaker 2: but I don't know. I see that video of him,

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Speaker 2: and I feel so sad for Nick Reiner, and I

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01:09:54,960 --> 01:09:57,240
Speaker 2: know I have to hold space. I recognize if he

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Speaker 2: murdered his parents and you've got to do.

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Speaker 3: The time crime.

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Speaker 2: And I just feel like if ever he needed his mom,

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Speaker 2: you know, like I just when I saw him, and yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's between the weight loss and he just looks he

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Speaker 2: just looks like a shell of a human. I guess

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Speaker 2: that's what happens when you take the lives of your parents.

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Speaker 4: If I mean, if his mom and dad were alive. Though, right,

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Speaker 4: let's live in a world where this didn't happen. Well

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Speaker 4: it did, though, I mean we can't, but I mean,

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Speaker 4: they knew he was.

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Speaker 3: He was unknown.

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Speaker 4: I'm sure, I'm sure that I'm sure that his mom, Stephanie,

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Speaker 4: appreciates your feelings for about it, do you know what

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Speaker 4: I mean? Even though she was his victim, she's his mom.

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Speaker 4: She loves him right right, so she probably appreciates your empathy.

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Speaker 3: And first five years the state of California had control

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Speaker 3: of all of his estate. I mean, his parents, this

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Speaker 3: man is It's not oops, I did a bad thing.

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Speaker 3: Now I'll pretend to be crazy. It's he was suffering

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Speaker 3: for many, many years. And I mean publicly with his parents,

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Speaker 3: if I'm honest. I've seen some stuff.

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Speaker 2: I've seen some video and interviews with Nick the son,

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Speaker 2: and there were times that he seemed a little glib

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Speaker 2: perhaps and you know, maybe even a little manipulative. You

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Speaker 2: would hear him say as soon as is just said

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Speaker 2: whatever I had to say to the rehab facilities so

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Speaker 2: I could get out in the second I walked out

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Speaker 2: the door, regardless of it being one hundred grand I

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01:11:23,560 --> 01:11:25,920
Speaker 2: used immediately, you know, And I don't know why that

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01:11:26,040 --> 01:11:29,000
Speaker 2: like feelings for his family, you know.

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Speaker 5: So those that's an important point you make, Stephanie. That's

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Speaker 5: the kind of information. If I'm the prosecutor in the case,

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Speaker 5: obviously want to get to the truth. But when the

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Speaker 5: defense is putting on all of this, poor Nick, I'd say,

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01:11:41,840 --> 01:11:44,000
Speaker 5: wait a minute. You know, this is the kind of

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01:11:44,040 --> 01:11:46,519
Speaker 5: play he makes. This is who he is. You know

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Speaker 5: his parents suffered under him for a long time, you know,

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Speaker 5: and I think they probably acknowledge. There's a history of

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01:11:53,000 --> 01:11:55,320
Speaker 5: this there. You know, cops have been called there. They

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01:11:55,400 --> 01:11:58,760
Speaker 5: know that he was a time bomb, and I'm sure

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01:11:58,800 --> 01:12:01,120
Speaker 5: if they could, they probably forgive him for what he

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Speaker 5: did because they probably don't blame him for his condition.

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Speaker 5: I think, Body, that's what you were trying to say too.

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01:12:05,720 --> 01:12:09,880
Speaker 5: But the reality is if you can show he's manipulated

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01:12:10,439 --> 01:12:14,280
Speaker 5: the system before he understood what he was doing. You know,

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01:12:14,360 --> 01:12:16,920
Speaker 5: he understood in that moment he was killing mom and dad,

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Speaker 5: and he took off, if you remember, he went and

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Speaker 5: got a hotel. Those are the kind of things I'd

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01:12:21,400 --> 01:12:23,640
Speaker 5: be pointing to in that moment to say, this is

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01:12:23,720 --> 01:12:26,479
Speaker 5: someone who was in control. He knew to attack them

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01:12:26,520 --> 01:12:28,360
Speaker 5: at night when they were in their bed. He knew

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01:12:28,360 --> 01:12:30,200
Speaker 5: to get out of there, he knew to take flight

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Speaker 5: and get it, had the capacity to.

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Speaker 3: Get a hotel, covered his windows, to clean up.

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Speaker 5: To cover the windows. Those are intentional behaviors. Undoubtedly, a

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Speaker 5: forensic psychiatrist would say, this is someone who appreciated what

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01:12:43,280 --> 01:12:47,680
Speaker 5: they did and was in control and committing intentional acts

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01:12:47,720 --> 01:12:51,839
Speaker 5: in the period during and after the killing. That's powerful evidence,

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Speaker 5: and the jury's going to say, my god, you know

1273
01:12:53,840 --> 01:12:56,360
Speaker 5: it is this is somebody who was in control. But

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Speaker 5: then his history and everything else comes back roaring back

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01:12:59,760 --> 01:13:01,360
Speaker 5: in court.

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Speaker 4: You had a good question about does he have to

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01:13:05,120 --> 01:13:06,760
Speaker 4: plea Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So this came out last night. I'm glad enduring, Thank you, Boddy.

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Speaker 3: And my understanding was that if you are going to

1280
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Speaker 3: say I am not guilty by reason of insanity, I

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Speaker 3: thought that had to happen really from jump in the

1282
01:13:23,360 --> 01:13:24,000
Speaker 3: court case.

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Speaker 5: So it's a little bit more nuanced than that. For example,

1284
01:13:28,360 --> 01:13:32,439
Speaker 5: if you're saying self defense, right, you have to admit

1285
01:13:32,520 --> 01:13:36,200
Speaker 5: you did it okay. In California, the way it's structured,

1286
01:13:36,240 --> 01:13:40,240
Speaker 5: conceivably you can still defend the act and then go

1287
01:13:40,280 --> 01:13:43,719
Speaker 5: into the guilt phase in certain circumstances. So there will

1288
01:13:43,760 --> 01:13:46,599
Speaker 5: be a guilt determination of Nick ryin or in this case,

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Speaker 5: you know, if he says first you got he could

1290
01:13:49,080 --> 01:13:52,680
Speaker 5: say nothing and still defend the act on because of

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01:13:52,680 --> 01:13:56,560
Speaker 5: the bifurcation, So it's not necessarily it's set up a

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Speaker 5: little unique in California. In most instances, if you're going

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Speaker 5: to take that defense, you're not going to fight the charge.

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Speaker 5: But it's hard to say because there may be aspects

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Speaker 5: of this case in the guilt phase he'll still want

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Speaker 5: to change so of evidence and things of that nature.

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Speaker 3: So he could be.

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Speaker 4: Found guilty during the guilt phase and then not guilty

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Speaker 4: by reasons of insanity in the sentencing phase.

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Speaker 5: Is that yes, But Courtney's right. Typically, if someone's going

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Speaker 5: to take a mental infirmity defense, they admit guilt and

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Speaker 5: go right into the mental But there are aspects of

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Speaker 5: this case he can challenge in the guilt phase, and

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Speaker 5: they haven't gotten to that point yet, so it's not clear.

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Speaker 5: He may very well say I did it. We're not

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Speaker 5: going to really even have a guilt phase here. We're

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Speaker 5: going to go right into mental infirmity.

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Speaker 2: And just in case any of our listeners missed. The

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Speaker 2: last time we talked about this, which was a few

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Speaker 2: weeks ago, I think, and we were sort of unpacking

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Speaker 2: a little bit of the idea of the insanity plea

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Speaker 2: in California. It's really a difficult one in general, right, Jared.

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Speaker 2: If I'm not mistaken, that is not an easy thing.

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Speaker 3: To get.

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Speaker 5: Basically the toughest insanity case you have to make.

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Speaker 3: Wow, wait, what do you say that?

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Speaker 5: It's the mgnot test. It's basically you could not appreciate

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Speaker 5: the nature of your actions during that time. The only

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Speaker 5: other thing is like I was hearing voices and was

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Speaker 5: compelled to commit this crime.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he might have had hallucinations and thought he was

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Speaker 2: saving his parents.

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Speaker 4: Well, and like, you know, he could have.

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Speaker 2: That's what That's what I got conjured, you know, maybe

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Speaker 2: less about a cover up, more about a panic of like,

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Speaker 2: oh my god, the the you know, the stars are

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Speaker 2: staring at me.

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Speaker 3: Ps the stars might be staring at him. So who

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Speaker 3: am I to say? But who we should all be?

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Speaker 3: Who knows?

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Speaker 6: Anymore?

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Speaker 4: Trump's going to release those UFO files.

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Speaker 2: So maybe I mean, if that happens, Oh my gosh,

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Speaker 2: I wanted to talk to you about that too, Jared, Uh, yeah,

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Speaker 2: I can we cover that?

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Speaker 3: I really can we cover that?

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Speaker 6: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: Tomorrow, brand I can well, and I believe I'd love

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01:16:00,040 --> 01:16:04,280
Speaker 5: to discuss that stuff. But the UFO stuff and anxiously

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Speaker 5: await those. But again, if they are redacting them, there'll

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Speaker 5: be a whole lot of reaction I think in those

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Speaker 5: in those documents as well.

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Speaker 3: Nothing to see there either. I'm like classified and hold

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01:16:15,000 --> 01:16:15,519
Speaker 3: your breath.

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Speaker 4: Really, I'm so looking forward to it, though, I really

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Speaker 4: want to unpack the UFO stuff. I listen, if I start.

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Speaker 2: Hearing that we have UFOs coming to town next week

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Speaker 2: in the midst of the Epstein files, I will be

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Speaker 2: calling BS immediately.

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Speaker 3: And definitely believe that we're being psyops. Well, that has

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Speaker 3: to be the case. Weren't weren't you fairly convinced that

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01:16:40,280 --> 01:16:43,799
Speaker 3: UFOs were happening when I believe it was Newark Airport.

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Speaker 3: It was having terrible.

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Speaker 2: There and they were having a million drones and everyone

1355
01:16:48,080 --> 01:16:49,120
Speaker 2: was like, no, no, it's no big deal.

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Speaker 3: I'm like, I'm telling you, I was just in. Everybody

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Speaker 3: in New Jersey is saying it's a very O. I

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Speaker 3: don't remember that concluded.

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Speaker 5: Well, yeah, that was an off. I think we're all

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01:16:57,040 --> 01:16:59,320
Speaker 5: supposed to forget how but they just said, oh, they're drones.

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Speaker 5: That was it. They were like later and they're not there.

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Speaker 2: Anymore, and they were everywhere but there is there there there.

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Speaker 2: Their assertion was the chatter again, this is chatter, not fact,

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Speaker 2: so this is not fact checked.

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Speaker 3: Alert Alert alert, that.

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Speaker 2: Elon Musk's brother is in the drones business, and that

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Speaker 2: there was some big drone explosion as a result. What

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01:17:29,600 --> 01:17:32,080
Speaker 2: happens after that, I have no idea why that's right.

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Speaker 2: Even if that, I don't know. I'm like, and then

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Speaker 2: it falls off a cliff. I don't know what it

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Speaker 2: means after that. But it did seem like there was

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Speaker 2: a lot of drones at some point New.

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Speaker 3: Jersey in a nice wee Newark, New Jersey.

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Speaker 2: Flights were getting canceled left and right. They were diverting planes.

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Speaker 2: That seemed very suspect. There was a lot of chatter

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Speaker 2: and conspiracy theories that there was something glowing under the ocean,

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Speaker 2: and I remember that being in the water and they

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Speaker 2: were I'm reading in the Extreme file there's a lot

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Speaker 2: of seats or something, oh, Jarrett stuff.

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Speaker 5: Really, you know, it's not coming from space. A lot

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Speaker 5: of accounts they're coming from road in the water.

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Speaker 4: We've been more in space more than we have our

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Speaker 4: own ocean.

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Speaker 2: Isn't that currently That's also my designed because we're always

1385
01:18:16,360 --> 01:18:19,680
Speaker 2: supposed to look up when really all the action has

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Speaker 2: been below.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. I mean the smartest mammals on the Earth could

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Speaker 4: live in the ocean.

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Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, And we're all trained to be looking for UFOs.

1390
01:18:29,320 --> 01:18:32,040
Speaker 2: And it's again, I don't know if this is true.

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Speaker 2: These are files more files under the sea.

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Speaker 3: Jarrett.

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Speaker 4: Thank you for putting up with us tonight. So thank

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Speaker 4: you so much for being here. We look forward all

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01:18:42,160 --> 01:18:44,960
Speaker 4: week to having you on. Anyone who wants more Jarrett,

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01:18:44,960 --> 01:18:47,639
Speaker 4: and listen who doesn't. I know, I certainly can't get enough.

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Speaker 4: Please follow him on social media at Jarrett Farantino on

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Speaker 4: Instagram and YouTube. You can also pre order his upcoming book, Mothers,

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Speaker 4: Murders and Motivation. It's out in the spring of twenty

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Speaker 4: twenty six. Thank you, Jarrett, keeping here with your Cranton night.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to True Crime tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking

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Speaker 2: true crime all the time. I'm Stephanie Lei Decker here

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Speaker 2: with Courtney Armstrong and body move in. So listen, ladies,

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Speaker 2: this week is shaping up. It's already Thursday tomorrow. How

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01:19:25,600 --> 01:19:28,720
Speaker 2: is that even possible? And if you're just joining us,

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Speaker 2: we are. We're getting through some talkbacks big day for tomorrow,

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Speaker 2: just for us all to be watching. I'm Hillary Clinton

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Speaker 2: is going before the House Oversight Committee to discuss anything

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Speaker 2: she does know about Epstein and either their relationship or

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Speaker 2: her relation their relationship his relationship with her husband, Bill Clinton,

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Speaker 2: who will be testifying on Friday. I got to tell you,

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Speaker 2: I actually thought they were all calling each other's bluff.

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Speaker 3: Dare I say?

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01:19:55,360 --> 01:19:59,280
Speaker 2: I thought that everybody is just going to keep saying

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Speaker 2: no to these interviews because somebody will say no, and

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Speaker 2: then they'll point to the other guy, and then they'll

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Speaker 2: say no, and they'll point to her and she'll say no,

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01:20:08,760 --> 01:20:13,400
Speaker 2: and if they're all kind of incahoots, and then Hillary

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01:20:13,479 --> 01:20:15,400
Speaker 2: saying I'm going to do it in public, come on,

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01:20:15,479 --> 01:20:17,479
Speaker 2: give it to me in public, which I thought was

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01:20:17,520 --> 01:20:18,679
Speaker 2: wise and smart.

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01:20:18,720 --> 01:20:20,600
Speaker 3: But I'm like, or are they just playing chicken.

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Speaker 2: With each other, knowing full well that they're not going

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01:20:23,320 --> 01:20:26,000
Speaker 2: to make it public, knowing full well they're not going

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01:20:26,040 --> 01:20:27,559
Speaker 2: to have video of it.

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01:20:27,600 --> 01:20:29,240
Speaker 3: I don't know. This is where my brain is going.

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01:20:29,320 --> 01:20:33,640
Speaker 2: Everything everywhere I look, I only see lies, so and

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01:20:33,680 --> 01:20:35,599
Speaker 2: I know that's not the truth, by the way I do,

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01:20:35,760 --> 01:20:38,519
Speaker 2: so I want to be very clear the truth will

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01:20:38,560 --> 01:20:42,240
Speaker 2: set us free, but I'm still kind of in the messy.

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Speaker 2: Tahad made a really good analogy earlier of like taking

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01:20:45,840 --> 01:20:47,600
Speaker 2: a puzzle and you throw it at the you know,

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01:20:47,680 --> 01:20:49,880
Speaker 2: all the pieces on the ground, and it's a mess,

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01:20:50,280 --> 01:20:52,760
Speaker 2: and then you start organizing by color, right like each

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01:20:52,760 --> 01:20:53,880
Speaker 2: corner You're like, okay, all the.

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Speaker 3: Blues will go here, all the greens will go here,

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Speaker 3: now the yellow pieces.

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Speaker 2: The corner piece is like, that's the mess we're in

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01:21:02,439 --> 01:21:05,040
Speaker 2: right now. And I'm saying internally, even just hear.

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Speaker 3: Like that was pretty profound, wasn't that. Like so at.

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Speaker 2: Aristotle he's well, you know, we were just saying that

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01:21:14,360 --> 01:21:25,880
Speaker 2: he should be a poet and a philosopher. Ye, So

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01:21:25,920 --> 01:21:28,719
Speaker 2: the puzzle will come together and we will solve these things.

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01:21:28,760 --> 01:21:30,720
Speaker 2: It's just it's still in that like when you clean

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01:21:30,800 --> 01:21:35,479
Speaker 2: up your closets and everything's everywhere mess, which is how

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Speaker 2: I'm feeling a little bit today. So please excuse me

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Speaker 2: for not feeling particularly articulate. I'm not able to take

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Speaker 2: all of this and sum it up in a way

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Speaker 2: that is in any way sensical.

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Speaker 3: So I will try to improve on that. I'm working

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Speaker 3: on it. You're not the only one. It is overwhelming.

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01:21:51,200 --> 01:21:53,760
Speaker 4: It's by design. I mean, I'm telling you this is

1453
01:21:53,800 --> 01:21:56,680
Speaker 4: all by design. You know when I think I made

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Speaker 4: the analogy of discovery, like you know, in a case

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Speaker 4: right when lawyer receives do remember Aaron Brockovic the movie.

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Speaker 2: Yes, oh yeah, the greatest movie, greatest movie.

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Speaker 4: But in the movie, I mean, listen, it's a movie.

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Speaker 4: But in the movie they bring the discovery in and

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Speaker 4: they brought it in on dollies. Remember, And it don't

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01:22:19,280 --> 01:22:21,639
Speaker 4: filled up the it filled up the whole office. It's

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Speaker 4: designed to overwhelm you.

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Speaker 3: It is, well, it's been overwhelming when I and I

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Speaker 3: know I had mentioned this a couple of weeks back

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Speaker 3: when I had worked for an attorney. One of the

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Speaker 3: lawsuits it doesn't matter how but it involved Viacom, so Viacom.

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Speaker 3: They had depositions, I mean hundreds and hundreds of pages

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Speaker 3: for each person, every person just to pummel. So it

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Speaker 3: was going through those dollies worth of all of the

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Speaker 3: depositions to read through all of it, because it's it's

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Speaker 3: crazy so much.

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Speaker 2: But they do say if that's sort of if that's intentional,

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Speaker 2: and again it's and to make us feel maybe a

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Speaker 2: little helpless or a little hopeless or you know, remember

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Speaker 2: that that's all part of it. Right, So the angrier

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01:23:16,040 --> 01:23:20,400
Speaker 2: we feel, or like, the more lost at seat we feel,

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Speaker 2: the more obedient we kind of become because we're looking

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Speaker 2: to others for answers, because we want somebody to solve

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01:23:27,600 --> 01:23:30,920
Speaker 2: it for us, and then ultimately we'll be asking our

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Speaker 2: abusers to solve it for us.

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Speaker 3: It's like the same cycle, right.

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Speaker 2: I almost feel like I'm physically being groomed right now,

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Speaker 2: it is what I think.

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Speaker 4: That's such an interesting thought that you just had, Like, yeah,

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Speaker 4: because because it's so confusing, most people feel overwhelmed and

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Speaker 4: they don't even know where to begin, so they look

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Speaker 4: to others, right.

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Speaker 2: They look to others, and then the others are all

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Speaker 2: pretty sad, you know, and they're all loyalists to each other.

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Speaker 2: And if there is, in fact this elite class that

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Speaker 2: Epstein is an example, by the way, one of many,

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Speaker 2: and that elite class is even above the players that

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Speaker 2: we're speaking of, and those players are the puppets. What

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Speaker 2: are we We're not even the puppets. We're not even

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01:24:11,720 --> 01:24:15,680
Speaker 2: in the game, it seems like, and that is what's

1495
01:24:15,720 --> 01:24:18,680
Speaker 2: a little helpless feeling. But I think again, we got

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Speaker 2: to remember we are cycle breakers. We are all cycle breakers.

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Speaker 2: These are in our entire community solves for a living.

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Speaker 2: We do this. This is the community. If ever, we're

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Speaker 2: going to start cracking at it. So I don't know. Again,

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Speaker 2: I don't have the end answer, nor do I have

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Speaker 2: a direction right now. If you look at my wall,

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01:24:38,320 --> 01:24:41,560
Speaker 2: it's covered in words that are displaced and need to

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Speaker 2: be categorized, and some of them are so weird and scary.

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Speaker 3: And it's starting to see.

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Speaker 2: The patterns, right, and pattern recognition, that's the whole piece

1506
01:24:51,479 --> 01:24:52,800
Speaker 2: of it. And I think part of it has been

1507
01:24:52,840 --> 01:24:57,320
Speaker 2: in plain sights, so sometimes that's even harder to see.

1508
01:24:57,560 --> 01:25:01,000
Speaker 4: I mean, I feel like some kind of na institute,

1509
01:25:01,520 --> 01:25:06,160
Speaker 4: some kind of national research into something needs to organize

1510
01:25:06,160 --> 01:25:07,280
Speaker 4: all this data for us.

1511
01:25:07,479 --> 01:25:09,800
Speaker 2: Well they are, it's happening, And I will say this

1512
01:25:09,960 --> 01:25:12,439
Speaker 2: like I kind of it is happening. And I mean, listen,

1513
01:25:12,439 --> 01:25:15,960
Speaker 2: it's it's you know, sexual nature. It's it's very dark.

1514
01:25:16,080 --> 01:25:16,280
Speaker 3: You know.

1515
01:25:16,439 --> 01:25:18,599
Speaker 2: We're again, like we've talked about, we're using the word

1516
01:25:18,600 --> 01:25:21,880
Speaker 2: pedophilia so so casually. And I think that too is

1517
01:25:21,920 --> 01:25:25,240
Speaker 2: by design, where you know, our boundaries are being stretched

1518
01:25:25,280 --> 01:25:27,640
Speaker 2: and just to kind of reiterate some of the statistics

1519
01:25:27,640 --> 01:25:29,880
Speaker 2: that I've been learning about, and again, if anybody knows

1520
01:25:30,200 --> 01:25:32,200
Speaker 2: differently or more, please share.

1521
01:25:32,400 --> 01:25:32,639
Speaker 3: Again.

1522
01:25:32,720 --> 01:25:36,000
Speaker 2: This is just kind of scratching at it. But you know,

1523
01:25:36,040 --> 01:25:42,040
Speaker 2: if there's the statistics as of twenty twenty, sexual violence

1524
01:25:42,080 --> 01:25:45,439
Speaker 2: is of sixty two percent, and they say one out

1525
01:25:45,479 --> 01:25:50,040
Speaker 2: of five women in their lifetime will experience some level

1526
01:25:50,320 --> 01:25:52,320
Speaker 2: of violent sexual abuse.

1527
01:25:52,439 --> 01:25:53,960
Speaker 3: It's pretty staggering statistic.

1528
01:25:54,920 --> 01:25:59,400
Speaker 2: One out of six almost half of all minute excuse me,

1529
01:25:59,640 --> 01:26:02,479
Speaker 2: almost half of all women and one out of six

1530
01:26:02,520 --> 01:26:05,559
Speaker 2: men and one out of six men is a pretty

1531
01:26:05,640 --> 01:26:06,519
Speaker 2: big number.

1532
01:26:07,240 --> 01:26:08,240
Speaker 3: But they're saying it's.

1533
01:26:08,040 --> 01:26:11,320
Speaker 2: Wildly underreported because I think for men it's even more

1534
01:26:11,840 --> 01:26:15,720
Speaker 2: difficult to talk about some of these abusive situations. It's

1535
01:26:15,720 --> 01:26:19,160
Speaker 2: not easy for women either. It just feels like there

1536
01:26:19,280 --> 01:26:23,040
Speaker 2: was this undercurrent of silence, right And remember, if someone's

1537
01:26:23,080 --> 01:26:25,479
Speaker 2: abusing you and they're telling you to say, don't tell anybody,

1538
01:26:25,560 --> 01:26:26,439
Speaker 2: don't tell anybody.

1539
01:26:26,760 --> 01:26:27,679
Speaker 3: That's by design.

1540
01:26:28,000 --> 01:26:30,400
Speaker 2: So if you look at the world right now, and

1541
01:26:30,439 --> 01:26:33,559
Speaker 2: if those statistics are accurate, half of the world is

1542
01:26:33,600 --> 01:26:37,080
Speaker 2: like either being triggered or being woken up to their

1543
01:26:37,080 --> 01:26:40,680
Speaker 2: own experience, which must be very dysregulating and scary, or

1544
01:26:40,720 --> 01:26:44,960
Speaker 2: it's bringing up subconscious emotions that we don't really totally

1545
01:26:45,000 --> 01:26:48,000
Speaker 2: know how to apply those emotions. So I would just

1546
01:26:48,120 --> 01:26:51,799
Speaker 2: urge everybody to not assume if you're feeling a little off,

1547
01:26:52,200 --> 01:26:55,320
Speaker 2: oh it must be because my husband stinks, or I

1548
01:26:55,360 --> 01:26:55,760
Speaker 2: hate my.

1549
01:26:55,800 --> 01:26:58,800
Speaker 3: Job or I go. You know, like, it's okay to

1550
01:26:58,840 --> 01:26:59,160
Speaker 3: feel a.

1551
01:26:59,120 --> 01:27:01,519
Speaker 2: Little uncomfortable right now, and let's just be a little

1552
01:27:01,640 --> 01:27:06,320
Speaker 2: uncomfortable together, because I think we gotta feel it.

1553
01:27:06,760 --> 01:27:10,599
Speaker 4: There's comfort in knowing that you're not insane. Yeah, not alone.

1554
01:27:10,800 --> 01:27:13,880
Speaker 4: This is really happening. But here you know again, I'm

1555
01:27:13,920 --> 01:27:16,799
Speaker 4: going to say it again, there's more good than bad.

1556
01:27:16,800 --> 01:27:20,160
Speaker 3: One hundred percent there. Anyways, how about all how about.

1557
01:27:19,960 --> 01:27:24,840
Speaker 2: How so many people have been living alone with what

1558
01:27:24,880 --> 01:27:28,360
Speaker 2: they felt was a secret that maybe they caused, or

1559
01:27:28,439 --> 01:27:31,479
Speaker 2: that there was you know, sexual abuse especially And again

1560
01:27:31,520 --> 01:27:33,880
Speaker 2: I'm not think there's numbers to support this, but for

1561
01:27:33,920 --> 01:27:37,920
Speaker 2: men especially, it's such a shame thing and for women

1562
01:27:37,960 --> 01:27:40,960
Speaker 2: as well. But imagine you're drowning in shame because you

1563
01:27:41,000 --> 01:27:45,000
Speaker 2: feel so alone. As a reminder, I think people need

1564
01:27:45,040 --> 01:27:48,519
Speaker 2: to look around because you're not so alone. In fact,

1565
01:27:48,720 --> 01:27:52,240
Speaker 2: the rage might kick in when you realize how much

1566
01:27:52,320 --> 01:27:56,960
Speaker 2: time was wasted thinking you were and it wasn't your fault.

1567
01:27:57,200 --> 01:28:00,519
Speaker 2: And I think we're feeling this like collect of imagine

1568
01:28:00,520 --> 01:28:04,040
Speaker 2: everyone's waking up and people who have had terrible things

1569
01:28:04,040 --> 01:28:05,919
Speaker 2: happen to them, and.

1570
01:28:07,240 --> 01:28:11,759
Speaker 3: It's just here. It's like all lingering, right, So it's all.

1571
01:28:11,600 --> 01:28:13,639
Speaker 2: Out there, and I think we're all kind of feeling it,

1572
01:28:14,880 --> 01:28:16,800
Speaker 2: and I just don't know where to place it. But

1573
01:28:17,360 --> 01:28:19,880
Speaker 2: much like the tree, the many trees that are you know,

1574
01:28:20,080 --> 01:28:24,240
Speaker 2: uprooted in my neighborhood, you see a big, huge tree

1575
01:28:24,280 --> 01:28:27,439
Speaker 2: with the root out of the ground, that's where we're at.

1576
01:28:27,439 --> 01:28:29,160
Speaker 2: We as got to get to the root of it,

1577
01:28:29,280 --> 01:28:32,400
Speaker 2: and it's going to be okay, and.

1578
01:28:32,360 --> 01:28:33,400
Speaker 3: It's going to make a mess.

1579
01:28:34,400 --> 01:28:37,760
Speaker 2: It has to be a mess first, exactly. So that's

1580
01:28:37,760 --> 01:28:41,360
Speaker 2: where we had vibrations, good vibrations. And they do say

1581
01:28:41,400 --> 01:28:43,840
Speaker 2: that too, like you know, as I know, I say

1582
01:28:43,840 --> 01:28:45,800
Speaker 2: the word vibration a lot lately. I don't know I'm

1583
01:28:45,800 --> 01:28:48,680
Speaker 2: in a vibration stage, but you know, they you know,

1584
01:28:48,720 --> 01:28:52,280
Speaker 2: you would assume that if you look at energy like frequency,

1585
01:28:53,520 --> 01:28:57,960
Speaker 2: and you would imagine the biggest frequency, the most positive frequency,

1586
01:28:58,000 --> 01:28:58,599
Speaker 2: would be love.

1587
01:28:59,640 --> 01:29:01,200
Speaker 3: But I learned that it's.

1588
01:29:01,040 --> 01:29:06,320
Speaker 2: Not actually the most the most significant is authenticity?

1589
01:29:07,520 --> 01:29:13,280
Speaker 4: Oh really, isn't that interesting? Everybody looks so perplexed.

1590
01:29:13,240 --> 01:29:16,439
Speaker 3: I hope, I'm what what does significant mean in that term?

1591
01:29:17,479 --> 01:29:23,040
Speaker 2: I think authenticity is a really important true word, and

1592
01:29:23,320 --> 01:29:27,120
Speaker 2: authenticity is the opposite they say, the opposite of hate

1593
01:29:27,320 --> 01:29:30,880
Speaker 2: would not necessarily be love. It's like authenticity and being

1594
01:29:30,960 --> 01:29:36,120
Speaker 2: truthful with your own self. So if suddenly we're being

1595
01:29:36,240 --> 01:29:38,519
Speaker 2: at AI is going to get us, right, we're hearing

1596
01:29:38,560 --> 01:29:41,040
Speaker 2: all about AI is coming in to take us. They're

1597
01:29:41,040 --> 01:29:43,200
Speaker 2: going to steal all of our jobs and all of

1598
01:29:43,240 --> 01:29:45,559
Speaker 2: our that They're not going to steal our authenticity. It's

1599
01:29:45,560 --> 01:29:47,800
Speaker 2: the one thing that keeps us in the human race

1600
01:29:48,479 --> 01:29:53,160
Speaker 2: is your individuality. And if we're taking that authenticity and

1601
01:29:53,200 --> 01:29:56,519
Speaker 2: we're matching it with a little low key anger and

1602
01:29:56,720 --> 01:30:00,439
Speaker 2: rage for the many that have collectively experience in some

1603
01:30:00,479 --> 01:30:04,320
Speaker 2: sort of abuse that they've survived, you know, that combination

1604
01:30:04,840 --> 01:30:06,719
Speaker 2: might turn into something very very powerful.

1605
01:30:08,960 --> 01:30:14,360
Speaker 4: I don't know what that means. Well, it means that

1606
01:30:15,720 --> 01:30:17,000
Speaker 4: like frequency.

1607
01:30:16,520 --> 01:30:19,200
Speaker 3: And like what does that mean? They say? How do

1608
01:30:19,240 --> 01:30:20,920
Speaker 3: I explain it? You know, if you hear a sound bath,

1609
01:30:20,920 --> 01:30:22,200
Speaker 3: have you ever been to a sound bath?

1610
01:30:23,200 --> 01:30:24,400
Speaker 5: Like the tones?

1611
01:30:24,520 --> 01:30:31,160
Speaker 2: Like those little like gongs, I'm just learning about, like,

1612
01:30:31,680 --> 01:30:34,880
Speaker 2: you know, certain how do I can I play one?

1613
01:30:34,960 --> 01:30:35,080
Speaker 6: Right?

1614
01:30:35,360 --> 01:30:40,040
Speaker 3: It's vibrations or frequencies? Are it sounds? And almost sometimes

1615
01:30:40,280 --> 01:30:43,160
Speaker 3: their frequencies sometimes you almost can't hear them because it's

1616
01:30:43,160 --> 01:30:47,160
Speaker 3: too low. You can heel it in your body, and

1617
01:30:47,240 --> 01:30:50,800
Speaker 3: for example, if someone is playing a certain tone over

1618
01:30:52,280 --> 01:30:58,240
Speaker 3: different parts of your body, it also will feel very different. Okay,

1619
01:30:58,760 --> 01:30:59,639
Speaker 3: is that a sound bath?

1620
01:30:59,760 --> 01:31:00,599
Speaker 4: Is that what that's called?

1621
01:31:00,640 --> 01:31:03,040
Speaker 3: That? Is a sound bath? Is one way to do that?

1622
01:31:03,120 --> 01:31:08,040
Speaker 4: Have you ever had one?

1623
01:31:08,200 --> 01:31:10,439
Speaker 3: It's been a collective not a like personal sound back.

1624
01:31:10,720 --> 01:31:12,880
Speaker 9: Is it like a like a healing type thing? Like

1625
01:31:12,960 --> 01:31:15,120
Speaker 9: does it help like ailments or just so?

1626
01:31:15,320 --> 01:31:17,800
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, okay, So this is again I'm just learning

1627
01:31:17,800 --> 01:31:19,600
Speaker 2: about this. So I'm not an expert and I'm going

1628
01:31:19,680 --> 01:31:23,360
Speaker 2: to be a chop job explaining it. But apparently we

1629
01:31:23,400 --> 01:31:27,040
Speaker 2: are surrounded by energy and there's low key sounds in

1630
01:31:27,200 --> 01:31:31,720
Speaker 2: nature that kind of ponjure a feeling. Whether that's a

1631
01:31:31,760 --> 01:31:35,919
Speaker 2: feeling of you know, happiness or safety or the opposite.

1632
01:31:35,960 --> 01:31:36,599
Speaker 3: Could be true.

1633
01:31:36,800 --> 01:31:39,639
Speaker 2: We're a certain tone or sound, I'm trying to pull

1634
01:31:39,680 --> 01:31:42,800
Speaker 2: them up to give you an example, could have a

1635
01:31:42,920 --> 01:31:45,920
Speaker 2: lower energy to it that is kind of designed to

1636
01:31:46,120 --> 01:31:48,479
Speaker 2: subliminally bring down the vibes.

1637
01:31:49,160 --> 01:31:52,200
Speaker 3: And they say, and it's again that.

1638
01:31:52,400 --> 01:31:54,400
Speaker 2: Full of six reviews of the Epstein Files. Again it

1639
01:31:54,400 --> 01:31:58,240
Speaker 2: should be a drinking game. That there are musicians and

1640
01:31:58,280 --> 01:32:03,519
Speaker 2: there are songs that are in intentionally have lower vibrations

1641
01:32:03,560 --> 01:32:10,439
Speaker 2: in it because it's collectively trying to I guess impactize

1642
01:32:10,479 --> 01:32:14,479
Speaker 2: you not hypnotize, But I don't know what the right

1643
01:32:14,520 --> 01:32:18,440
Speaker 2: word is. I gotta get this guy knows anything about frequency.

1644
01:32:18,720 --> 01:32:20,240
Speaker 2: I'm saying it's so poorly right.

1645
01:32:20,640 --> 01:32:24,639
Speaker 3: Impact. It's subliminal that you don't realize that you're listening

1646
01:32:24,680 --> 01:32:27,679
Speaker 3: to it. Like I'll listen. I listen to sleep stories

1647
01:32:27,720 --> 01:32:31,120
Speaker 3: a lot to go to sleep, and they'll be maybe

1648
01:32:31,200 --> 01:32:37,880
Speaker 3: someone talking and or frequencies that are they calm your brain.

1649
01:32:37,880 --> 01:32:42,160
Speaker 3: They affect your brain, like brain waves, brain waves, right, Okay, I.

1650
01:32:42,160 --> 01:32:48,160
Speaker 4: Run across like my algorithm, like brown noise or whatever.

1651
01:32:48,680 --> 01:32:50,800
Speaker 4: And then they'll be like, listen to this brown noise

1652
01:32:50,840 --> 01:32:52,920
Speaker 4: with these tones, and I listen to it and it

1653
01:32:52,960 --> 01:32:54,799
Speaker 4: literally like makes my brain tickle.

1654
01:32:55,320 --> 01:32:57,519
Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, yeah, no, is that what that is?

1655
01:32:58,400 --> 01:33:00,760
Speaker 3: That's part of it? Like I'll play for time. Here

1656
01:33:00,880 --> 01:33:05,320
Speaker 3: here's the love frequency. I don't know you guys, tell me,

1657
01:33:05,400 --> 01:33:07,599
Speaker 3: can you hear that's love?

1658
01:33:08,640 --> 01:33:09,240
Speaker 5: That's the love?

1659
01:33:09,320 --> 01:33:11,120
Speaker 4: That's so what is that supposed to make me feel love?

1660
01:33:11,280 --> 01:33:14,679
Speaker 2: It's supposed to make your heart chakra like it somehow

1661
01:33:14,760 --> 01:33:17,799
Speaker 2: gets into your chakras. This is all sounds so crazy,

1662
01:33:17,800 --> 01:33:21,720
Speaker 2: And I know I'm really chopping this up too, if

1663
01:33:21,800 --> 01:33:24,639
Speaker 2: you're If anybody knows anything about vibrations, a very.

1664
01:33:24,479 --> 01:33:28,679
Speaker 4: New age and sounds at this point, Yes.

1665
01:33:28,560 --> 01:33:32,720
Speaker 2: It sounds like I actually have just joined once. I know,

1666
01:33:32,840 --> 01:33:36,120
Speaker 2: I know it sounds so crazy. Did you highest vibration here?

1667
01:33:36,160 --> 01:33:36,479
Speaker 3: It is.

1668
01:33:36,640 --> 01:33:40,320
Speaker 2: Many spiritual and self help perspectives view authenticity as the

1669
01:33:40,400 --> 01:33:45,160
Speaker 2: highest human frequency because it indicates a lack of resistance, pretense,

1670
01:33:45,280 --> 01:33:50,479
Speaker 2: or distortion, meaning you're not looking for somebody's approval or

1671
01:33:50,520 --> 01:33:53,400
Speaker 2: you're not looking to get involved in the club excepts me.

1672
01:33:53,680 --> 01:33:55,360
Speaker 3: So that is you.

1673
01:33:55,880 --> 01:33:58,959
Speaker 2: You are wildly both of you are so incredibly authentic.

1674
01:33:59,000 --> 01:34:01,719
Speaker 2: That's why I think I don't give from the greatest gift.

1675
01:34:02,640 --> 01:34:05,360
Speaker 2: My whole point going full circle is, as people are

1676
01:34:05,439 --> 01:34:07,960
Speaker 2: hearing all these truths, we're just gonna be authentic about

1677
01:34:07,960 --> 01:34:11,040
Speaker 2: it and not feel like we're pushing agendas and rather

1678
01:34:11,560 --> 01:34:13,000
Speaker 2: just taking it in right.

1679
01:34:13,160 --> 01:34:15,240
Speaker 4: And I like how we're doing it in little chunks too,

1680
01:34:15,240 --> 01:34:16,520
Speaker 4: it's not so overwhelming.

1681
01:34:17,640 --> 01:34:20,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, well we're gonna I'm gonna do little pockets because

1682
01:34:21,120 --> 01:34:21,559
Speaker 2: I'm sorry.

1683
01:34:21,600 --> 01:34:23,200
Speaker 3: I know today was a little all over the place,

1684
01:34:23,240 --> 01:34:26,360
Speaker 3: but well that's the problem.

1685
01:34:26,400 --> 01:34:29,640
Speaker 4: One thread of on pulling unravels this while sweater and

1686
01:34:29,720 --> 01:34:32,559
Speaker 4: then your left. So yeah, I get it. You don't

1687
01:34:32,560 --> 01:34:33,519
Speaker 4: got to explain to me girl.

1688
01:34:34,600 --> 01:34:37,439
Speaker 2: Well we always have Thursday, baby, So Tah, what can

1689
01:34:37,479 --> 01:34:38,439
Speaker 2: we expect for tomorrow?

1690
01:34:38,439 --> 01:34:39,040
Speaker 3: What do you think?

1691
01:34:39,479 --> 01:34:42,679
Speaker 9: Well, as you mentioned, Hillary Clinton sits for a closed

1692
01:34:42,720 --> 01:34:48,960
Speaker 9: door deposition and this investigation into Jeffreystein's network, so we'll

1693
01:34:49,000 --> 01:34:50,400
Speaker 9: be following that closely.

1694
01:34:51,520 --> 01:34:54,720
Speaker 2: And listen, we appreciate Jarrett Farantino for being with us

1695
01:34:54,840 --> 01:34:55,320
Speaker 2: yet again.

1696
01:34:55,560 --> 01:34:57,760
Speaker 3: We will be back tomorrow. We love you guys. Stay

1697
01:34:57,760 --> 01:34:59,400
Speaker 3: safe out there, have a great night.