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Speaker 2: Welcome to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking true

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Speaker 2: crime all the time. I'm Stephanie Leidecker and then I

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Speaker 2: head up KAT Studios, where we make true crime podcasts

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Speaker 2: and documentaries, and I get to be here every night

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Speaker 2: with Courtney Armstrong. We've made many podcasts together, including The

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Speaker 2: Idaho Massacre Season three, which is out now on iHeart,

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Speaker 2: and documentaries together. We have worked together for I want

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Speaker 3: Ten years.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's more than a decade. Wow, more than

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Speaker 2: a decade. So Body Movement is out for the evening,

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Speaker 2: but of course Taha Howes and Sam and Adam in

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Speaker 2: it's a big night. We've had a stacked night of headlines.

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Speaker 2: It is Thursday, September eleventh. We can all probably imagine

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Speaker 2: where we were twenty four years ago, and we plan

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Speaker 2: to commemorate this day in this tragedy. It's hard to

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Speaker 2: imagine it's been twenty four years but we are going

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Speaker 2: to have a very special guest, John feel who is

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Speaker 2: an American hero who has really dedicated his life to

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Speaker 2: so to this very day. Also, obviously a lot happening

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Speaker 2: in the Charlie Kirk assassination. And I say assassination, and

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Speaker 2: I stutter because it's straight murder, right, I don't know

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Speaker 2: and we have all now seen it, and it's extremely triggering.

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Speaker 2: Even as we go on to the air tonight, his

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Speaker 2: so as delicately as possible. Please, we want to hear

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Speaker 2: your opinions. Eight eight eight three one crime. The killer

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Speaker 2: Last night one died that has now been confirmed to

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Speaker 2: and look, we won't put it to bed officially here.

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Speaker 3: This Epstein thing continues.

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Speaker 2: We talked about it on Tuesday night when Lisa Bryant,

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Speaker 2: here we are lots of heavy things to discuss, and

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Speaker 2: again we really want you to join the conversation. Please,

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Speaker 2: any opinion is welcome. If we don't share each other's perspectives,

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Speaker 2: we're really never going to grow. And I think that's

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Speaker 2: the spirit of this show. We all want justice together.

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Speaker 2: We all want to somehow meet in the middle of

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Speaker 2: what seems like a never ending finger point of them. No, no, no,

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Speaker 2: to feel safe to share, give us your perspective, all

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Speaker 2: of it is welcome, Courtney, on this very emotional night.

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Speaker 2: Let's first go to a talk back. Let's do let's

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Speaker 3: You know, people have you know.

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Speaker 2: Their feelings, they're right on this side, and everybody has

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Speaker 2: better save zone, let's do it. This is a crime

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Speaker 3: And frankly, we all have now.

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Speaker 2: Witnessed this, and it changes things and I think we

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Speaker 3: Well, listen this.

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Speaker 7: He's still evolving with Charlie of course, Yeah, it happened yesterday.

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Speaker 7: The FBI has released images of a person of interest

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Speaker 7: You know, authorities were quickly in motion when Charlie Kirk,

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Speaker 7: they also have recovered a high powered action rifle in

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Speaker 2: And as a reminder, yesterday, on two different occasions, there

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Speaker 3: We all kind of watched that live.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, And it is worth saying because this is something

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Speaker 7: There was the bombing at the Boston marathon, that's right,

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Speaker 2: So in just so well said, and it's got everybody

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Speaker 7: I'm Courtney Armstrong. I am here with Stephanie Leidecker. We

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Speaker 7: one Crime, Gollie. We're talking about a lot of things.

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Speaker 7: As an update on the Colorado shooting, which also happened yesterday,

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Speaker 2: And something that we've sort of been hearing about a

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Speaker 7: More on that to come, And we pulled some research

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Speaker 3: Eight eight eight three one crime.

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Speaker 2: You cannot buy a vest for your children to keep

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Speaker 2: This is true crime tonight. We're talking true crime all

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to true Crime tonight on iHeartRadio. Listen, we

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Speaker 2: with Courtney Armstrong and listen. It is nine to eleven.

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Speaker 2: It's been twenty four years. I'm sure everybody listening can

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Speaker 7: I do understand the fulsh Yeah, it's unbelievable and as

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Speaker 3: So John, he is an activist.

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Speaker 8: Hello, Hey, thank you for having me.

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Speaker 5: And that introduction was way too much because I am

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Speaker 3: Oh yes you are. And by the way, you're there,

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Speaker 2: And you know, and I always want to clarify too,

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Speaker 3: You know, heroic effort. It's our daily you know.

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Speaker 2: We all have the opportunity to do that, and sometimes

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Speaker 3: I went to Staycham High School.

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Speaker 2: I'm from Lake grond Konkoma, Long Island, so Wisconsin. Listen,

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Speaker 5: I grew up and called back my house and my

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Speaker 3: Come on, you guys are problems.

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Speaker 2: We might even be related at the end of the day.

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Speaker 2: So I'll meet you at Little Vinie's Pizzeria and we

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Speaker 5: So great, And the park is right across the street

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Speaker 3: Come on, that's my That's exactly where I grew up.

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Speaker 2: So so much more of this to come, amazing, Sean

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Speaker 3: Why is there still.

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Speaker 3: Why is that important?

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Speaker 5: Great question, So back in twenty ten, we got a

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Speaker 9: In twenty fifteen, when we got the bill passed the.

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Speaker 5: Second time, there were seventy six thousand people that were sick.

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Speaker 2: Sorry, Court, but like imagine if you're responding in something

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Speaker 9: Would cause cancer.

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Speaker 5: Then if you combine them all together, it was a

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Speaker 5: So we we took every excuse they had and we

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Speaker 3: We go through them. Oh man, this is unbelievable.

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Speaker 7: And listen, I am really so happy you're here because

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Speaker 3: So this is really important. John.

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Speaker 5: Well, we're trying to get Hr. Fourteen to ten pass,

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Speaker 5: And here's what happens in twenty twenty seven. If you're

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Speaker 9: In the program and you will die.

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Speaker 5: Our doctors have, our doctors have twenty plus years of expertise.

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Speaker 9: To pay for it.

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Speaker 2: And like looking back in those days, because like you know,

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Speaker 2: In your case, you know, posts on nine to eleven,

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Speaker 2: happens next time? God forbid? There's something like do you

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Speaker 9: They were home.

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Speaker 5: I was there for five and had things before and

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Speaker 5: and a lot. But we knew we were sick. We

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Speaker 5: knew it was because everybody had a running nose in

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Speaker 5: the sword throat. And that's how it starts.

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Speaker 2: Mm hmmah, by the way, and that's how it starts,

446
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Speaker 2: but yet you still kept going. And that's the piece

447
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Speaker 2: of it, Like I guess got a little covered in

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Speaker 2: a chill right now, Like the fact that you know

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Speaker 2: it and you have that moment of impact where you're like,

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Speaker 2: I know this is bad for my health personally, but

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Speaker 2: I know this is bigger than me, so as a hero,

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Speaker 2: I'm going to continue and to fight.

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Speaker 3: That is the intention point, do you know what I mean?

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Speaker 2: Like, that's the moment where it's like, Okay, well I'm

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Speaker 2: thinking bigger than myself and it's pretty extraordinary.

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Speaker 3: Period the end exclamation point.

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Speaker 9: Well, I think if you asked most nine eleven responders,

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Speaker 9: they would do it again. They would all say yes.

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Speaker 5: But I'm that guy that would say no. I'm that

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Speaker 5: guy that says no, I don't want to eat thousand

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Speaker 5: pounds this Year'll crush on my left food. I don't

462
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Speaker 5: want to get hurt, I don't want to get sick.

463
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Speaker 5: I want to get on with my life and I

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Speaker 5: want to live a normal life. You know, I'm never

465
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Speaker 5: going to come This is twenty four years of my life.

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Speaker 5: I've had twenty six surgeries, thirty.

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Speaker 2: Years, forty six surgeries, thirty eight what thirty eight from

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Speaker 2: nine to eleven because of my left foot was crushed.

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Speaker 5: And I was in the hospital for eleven weeks with

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Speaker 5: gangreen and teptus. That badfoot had numerous surgeries, which created

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Speaker 5: another bedfoot, which had numerous surgeries, which led to a

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Speaker 5: bad knee which had nine surgeries, and then led to

473
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Speaker 5: two bad hips which had double hitting replacement. But again,

474
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Speaker 5: you know, if you look at me, I look healthy.

475
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Speaker 5: I go to the gym every day, I exercised, I

476
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Speaker 5: don't drink, I don't smoke, and I you know, John

477
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Speaker 5: Stewart told me, I was built for this, John Stewart,

478
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Speaker 5: and I have the endurance, but I had to be

479
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Speaker 5: broken to be built for this.

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Speaker 9: If that makes sense.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, of course that's the case for most people that

482
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Speaker 2: are heroic. They have to be broken because that's where

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Speaker 2: you rise.

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Speaker 3: And also continue the fight.

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Speaker 7: As you said, we even with Congress, you go through

486
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Speaker 7: them and you make them happen, you know, John, you

487
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Speaker 7: had said earlier, you guys, something you got lucky and

488
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Speaker 7: something past.

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Speaker 3: The harder you work, the luckier you get. So no,

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Speaker 3: this is what you and your community have made happen.

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Speaker 7: True, John, What do you do this time of year

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Speaker 7: when you want to acknowledge the anniversary of September eleventh.

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Speaker 9: Well, to me, time an anniversary today, rememberance. It's a

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Speaker 9: day of reflection. It's a day of.

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Speaker 5: Remembering those who were lost the sense of violence and

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Speaker 5: their families.

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Speaker 9: Who were torn apart.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, but I also can't forget those who got sick

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Speaker 5: that didn't die that day, but part of them died

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Speaker 5: that day and they're slowly dying sin and many have

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Speaker 5: died since. In it Hentoy, I created that memorial in Wisconsin.

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Speaker 5: This Saturday, we're putting three hundred and sixty two names

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Speaker 5: on the wall that already has over three thousand that

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Speaker 5: have died since nine to eleven. This is non stop. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: you know, this is what we do and when we're

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Speaker 5: not going to stop anytime soon.

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Speaker 7: And that again go back to our initial question of

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Speaker 7: why do we need this still? And you have you know,

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Speaker 7: continued to answer that this is an urgent and evolving issue. Listen,

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Speaker 7: if people want to support your work or to learn more,

511
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Speaker 7: where should they look.

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Speaker 5: Just call their members of Congress and the Senate across

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Speaker 5: the country and tell them to support Hr. Fourteen ten.

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Speaker 5: You know, over the years when we were passing legislation

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Speaker 5: in Albany or New Jersey, or Michigan or several in Washington, DC.

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Speaker 5: We always had opposition.

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Speaker 9: This time, we don't have opposition.

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Speaker 5: We're fighting the boogey man because we don't know who's

519
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Speaker 5: our opponent, and it's frustrating and it's difficult. But today

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Speaker 5: we're up to eighty six co sponsors and I'm confident,

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Speaker 5: and I'll bet my one kidney that we get a

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Speaker 5: bill pass by the end of the year.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to bet on that as well, because I

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Speaker 2: bet on you in a heartbeat. And if somebody wants

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Speaker 2: to make a donation or something, is there some place

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Speaker 2: that they can find that information. We're happy to post

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Speaker 2: it on our website as well.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, we don't go out.

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Speaker 9: We let our work body of work speak for yourself.

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Speaker 5: We don't asktra donations, but they can go to field

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Speaker 5: Good Foundation dot com fea l and you know, while

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Speaker 5: it's greatly appreciated, it's going to go to somebody who's

533
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Speaker 5: waiting for help. But we don't ask anymore and people

534
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Speaker 5: just do on their own. And what we do, you know,

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Speaker 5: we have to wear several different hats.

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Speaker 9: We have to.

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Speaker 5: Advocate, We have to go to hospital beds and hold

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Speaker 5: someone's hand while they're dying. We have to go to

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Speaker 5: the family we have today die. We have to make

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Speaker 5: sure they're enrolled in the World Trades and a health program.

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Speaker 5: We have to make sure they follow the victims competition

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Speaker 5: claims you're compensated for their roles and their death. This

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Speaker 5: is you know, advocacy hours a week. It's a hobby

544
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Speaker 5: or Saturday afternoon, but activism is twenty four to seven.

545
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Speaker 5: And you got to make sacrifices.

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Speaker 9: You have to.

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Speaker 5: You have to make anniversaries and birkdays and holidays and

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Speaker 5: apologize later.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 7: Well, we're so honored. We're really honored that you took

551
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Speaker 7: this time. And John, we will be posting your information

552
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Speaker 7: and you know, let people do with it what they will,

553
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Speaker 7: which hopefully is donate. And we just thank you again

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Speaker 7: so much for taking time out of your schedule. And

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Speaker 7: I look forward to toasting when those next bills pass

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Speaker 7: Go Strong Island. That's right, exactly, John, feel how great

557
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Speaker 7: was that? And I just honestly, we were so excited

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Speaker 7: to be speaking to the powerhouse of a man who

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Speaker 7: I think John Stewart said correctly, was built for what

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Speaker 7: he's doing.

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Speaker 3: And listen.

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Speaker 7: You can and should order pre order his upcoming book,

563
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Speaker 7: It is I Will Follow You Anywhere, The true story

564
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Speaker 7: of the nine to eleven responders who took on Congress.

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Speaker 7: You can also check out his vendation at the Feel

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Speaker 7: Good Foundation fea l Good Foundation, you know, and just

567
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Speaker 7: to read it what John says. He's like, Listen, we

568
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Speaker 7: don't ask for donations, but if people want to, so

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Speaker 7: if you want to.

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Speaker 2: Again, we talk about walking the talk, right, that is

571
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Speaker 2: what it's all about. That is what Americans are all about.

572
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Speaker 2: And by the way, if you have never been to

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Speaker 2: Little Vincent's Pizza Lake ron Konkhoma Nisconstant Border, it's debatable.

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Speaker 2: If it's in Lake Ronkonkoma, ORNISCNSPT, it's widely debatable. My

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Speaker 2: mother would actually weigh in in the background if we

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Speaker 2: let her. It's the greatest pizza of all time. So

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Speaker 2: I encourage you to go check it out and have

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Speaker 2: a slice for me me too. Well, Listen, there's been

579
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Speaker 2: so much happening in the news, and you know Epstein,

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Speaker 2: this the story continues, you know, before these most recent tragedies,

581
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Speaker 2: the news of the moment that we were talking about

582
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Speaker 2: on Tuesday, when Lisa Bryant, the director of the documentary

583
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Speaker 2: Jeffrey Epstein Filthy Rich, which you can watch on Netflix.

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Speaker 2: You know, I say that because she was really in

585
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Speaker 2: in the mix, right, she was really talking with victims,

586
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Speaker 2: she was going to the island. She was like knee

587
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Speaker 2: deep in it. And there were a couple things. And

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Speaker 2: I know, Lisa, we've had the benefit of working together,

589
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Speaker 2: and you know, she has to be a little careful sometimes,

590
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Speaker 2: but I felt like on Tuesday, man, she was letting

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Speaker 2: a lot of new information come to the surface. And

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Speaker 2: in one of those things that she not only said

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Speaker 2: but frankly predicted, happened today And I'm not really saying

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Speaker 2: it in the news all that much. Court, Do you

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Speaker 2: want to fill us in Phyllis?

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Speaker 7: Yes, absolutely, because it is you know, given everything that

597
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Speaker 7: is going on, it's gotten a little play.

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Speaker 3: It would probably have gotten more.

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Speaker 7: But Peter Mendelssohn, he's the UK's top diplomat to the US,

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Speaker 7: he was withdrawn from his post.

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Speaker 3: And this is following.

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Speaker 7: The release of that birthday book quote the first fifty years,

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Speaker 7: the private birthday book that was compiled for Jeffrey Ebstein

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Speaker 7: by Gillien Maxwell. And you know, for his birthday and

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Speaker 7: Peter Mendelssohn, Okay, he didn't even he didn't just drop

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Speaker 7: a note or write a poem. In this book, which

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Speaker 7: was made public by the US House Committee, it had

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Speaker 7: a ten page personal note and vacation photos from Mendelssohn

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Speaker 7: alongside emails in which he defended Epstein's criminal record.

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Speaker 8: Like that.

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Speaker 3: That's a lot.

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Speaker 2: It's a lot, and it's a lot because this is

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Speaker 2: somebody who has been you know, controversial and sort of

614
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Speaker 2: one of those names that's been around this story for

615
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Speaker 2: a very very long time. So for the UK, you

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Speaker 2: say dismiss or release, I say fired.

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Speaker 3: They straight up fired him.

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Speaker 2: It's been pretty quiet about this firing, and I think

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Speaker 2: it says a pretty loud thing, meaning this birthday book

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Speaker 2: that has been released, as there's also been other documents

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Speaker 2: that were released alongside of this book, and frankly we're

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Speaker 2: waiting to sort of get the details of some of

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Speaker 2: those other things too, but it shows the weight of

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Speaker 2: this book. So, you know, we talk about this guy

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Speaker 2: Mendelssohn saying, oh, yeah, you know, we were associates.

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Speaker 3: You're saying you were his best pal.

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Speaker 2: There were photographs or cartoons like literally hand drawn cartoons

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Speaker 2: in this birthday book of little girls, little girls and

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Speaker 2: then young girls giving a massage to Epstein. I mean,

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Speaker 2: it's really it's unbelievable that this exists. So as much

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Speaker 2: as we all want to pretend that this book is

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Speaker 2: sort of irrelevant or it's nothing or you know, put

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Speaker 2: it under the rug, the UK is not playing and

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Speaker 2: they have.

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Speaker 3: Fired this man.

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Speaker 2: And by the way, this guy was up for question

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Speaker 2: many many times over the years, and somehow he still

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Speaker 2: rose more questions. No, actually, let's give him a promotion.

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Speaker 2: How about some more questions? Well, no, no, no, let's

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Speaker 2: make it him an ambassador. That's an idea. It is

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Speaker 2: impossible to fail upwards that much when you are in

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Speaker 2: and around a pedophile.

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Speaker 3: And we know for a fact now that.

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Speaker 2: The relationship between the two of them and their association.

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Speaker 2: I say that in air quotes continued well after Jeffrey

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Speaker 2: Epstein had been convicted as a pedophile.

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Speaker 7: Absolutely, and as you say, in the UK is not playing.

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Speaker 7: The UK Minister Steven Dary he stated that Mendelssohn at

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Speaker 7: the extent of his relationship with Epstein was totally different. He'

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Speaker 7: said materially different from what had been known. So it

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Speaker 7: appears that Peter Mendelssohn, who has been dismissed of his

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Speaker 7: post as ambassador, really tried to play it down. And

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Speaker 7: then after the release Mendelssohn he has publicly he's expressed

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Speaker 7: regret over continuing this relationship with Epstein for far longer

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Speaker 7: than he should have done.

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Speaker 2: How about the regret for the women that have still

657
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Speaker 2: been victimized by this man that you call your best pal,

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Speaker 2: even after his conviction where he got a sweetheart deal

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Speaker 2: by alex Acosta, which again we also know will be

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Speaker 2: in the hot seat a week from tomorrow. We should

661
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Speaker 2: all be following that closely, not also getting any chatter.

662
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:34,719
Speaker 2: I'm not hearing tons about this, but alex Acosta was

663
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:38,440
Speaker 2: a US attorney at the time when Jeffrey Epstein in

664
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:41,800
Speaker 2: West Palm Beach was brought up on charges he pled guilty.

665
00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:46,760
Speaker 2: We heard from Lisa Bryant that he was actually charged.

666
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:51,240
Speaker 2: There was allegations of about fifty eight charges, if not more,

667
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:56,320
Speaker 2: and instead only two were brought forward, of which Epstein

668
00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:57,360
Speaker 2: pled guilty.

669
00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:00,719
Speaker 3: He got a cush deal. He got to go to work.

670
00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:03,160
Speaker 2: And hang out and have free reigns all day and

671
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:05,880
Speaker 2: then he had to report in at his low security

672
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:09,920
Speaker 2: little jail and have a little sleep, and then the

673
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:12,040
Speaker 2: pedophile got to do his thing. So I know we

674
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:15,440
Speaker 2: all agree that this is, uh, that's not cool. That

675
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:18,600
Speaker 2: doesn't seem totally fair. So some of this is the

676
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:21,760
Speaker 2: onion is getting unraveled, or how do you you peel

677
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:23,000
Speaker 2: the the onion?

678
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:24,600
Speaker 3: The onion is getting a little.

679
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:25,920
Speaker 2: Peeled back, And.

680
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:27,920
Speaker 3: I don't know.

681
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:30,160
Speaker 2: I I think in the coming days we're going to

682
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:32,399
Speaker 2: continue to see more of this and we should all

683
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:34,600
Speaker 2: be playing we should all be paying attention.

684
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:40,239
Speaker 7: Yeah, absolutely, and see you know what, what information continues

685
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:43,720
Speaker 7: to come out. Well, listen, this is true crime tonight.

686
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:49,919
Speaker 7: We're on iHeartRadio and we have been talking about Peter

687
00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 7: Mendelssohn and the top diplomat to the US from the

688
00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:57,799
Speaker 7: UK has been has his post taken away after it

689
00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:01,680
Speaker 7: came out that he wrote in Epstein's birthday book that

690
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:04,120
Speaker 7: he wrote ten pages in fact, if you have any

691
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:07,719
Speaker 7: thoughts on that eighted eight three to one crime, if

692
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 7: you have any thoughts memories about nine to eleven, or

693
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:17,000
Speaker 7: you know, whether it's sad, whether it's beautiful, we'd love

694
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:21,080
Speaker 7: to hear that. John feel was also just on who

695
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:25,240
Speaker 7: supports all the people who have been were hurt during

696
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:28,279
Speaker 7: the rescue of nine to eleven And now we have

697
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:28,879
Speaker 7: a talk back.

698
00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:33,040
Speaker 6: Hey guys, I love your show and I just want

699
00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:36,439
Speaker 6: to say I'm so disheartened and heartbroken to hear about

700
00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:38,680
Speaker 6: Charlie Kirk and my thoughts and prayers go out to

701
00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:41,200
Speaker 6: him and his family. But one thing I have seen

702
00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:44,520
Speaker 6: people mentioning on social media is how Charlie Kirk was

703
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:48,680
Speaker 6: advocating for the release of the uncensored and unredacted Epstein files.

704
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:51,360
Speaker 6: What do you guys think about this? And not to

705
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:53,600
Speaker 6: be insensitive or anything, but do you think this could

706
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:54,839
Speaker 6: have something to do with his death?

707
00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:58,080
Speaker 3: Thank you? Right to the heart of it.

708
00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:00,600
Speaker 2: I'm going to just jump in here and I'm going

709
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:02,799
Speaker 2: to be a little naked about it. We have heard

710
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:05,440
Speaker 2: this a lot today, and again these are two separate

711
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:10,680
Speaker 2: issues because the tragedy should never be tarnished in any

712
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:13,160
Speaker 2: way like this is something that should never have happened.

713
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:16,800
Speaker 2: And just like our caller would say that, our prayers

714
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:21,719
Speaker 2: are really standing with his beautiful wife and there two babies.

715
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:29,160
Speaker 2: This is a senseless, disgusting criminal act the end. However,

716
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:32,120
Speaker 2: there has been a lot of conversation about the fact

717
00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 2: that he also was speaking out and getting a little

718
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:37,879
Speaker 2: out of maybe off script when it came to his

719
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:43,040
Speaker 2: relationship with President Trump and the transparency of the Epstein files.

720
00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:46,560
Speaker 2: And I know that's a scary thing to say out loud,

721
00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:49,800
Speaker 2: but he really in just the last couple of weeks.

722
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:54,120
Speaker 2: I mean, it's no question just there's plenty of evidence

723
00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:56,759
Speaker 2: to support it and footage to support it. He was

724
00:39:57,600 --> 00:40:02,320
Speaker 2: blatantly asking that these files be released in the fullest

725
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:07,799
Speaker 2: transparent way as we all are. And it has raised

726
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:10,600
Speaker 2: some questions. I certainly don't know the answer, nor should

727
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:11,400
Speaker 2: we be guessing.

728
00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:13,399
Speaker 3: But what do you make of that?

729
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:18,520
Speaker 7: I think there's too many unknowns. Certainly what you said

730
00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:21,080
Speaker 7: it is, you know, I have certainly heard that. I

731
00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:25,920
Speaker 7: have also heard many many different iterations of what possibly

732
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:30,279
Speaker 7: could have motivated this shooter. But we don't know we

733
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:33,680
Speaker 7: they are unless it has changed in the last moments,

734
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:38,360
Speaker 7: which may have the shooter is still not yet in custody, and.

735
00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:42,400
Speaker 3: We don't know. There's so many schools of thought.

736
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:44,520
Speaker 7: And I think, you know, as kind of I said

737
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:47,680
Speaker 7: earlier in a dearth when we don't have a lot

738
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:51,719
Speaker 7: of information that you know, we're humans and we like

739
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:55,640
Speaker 7: to fill it with information. So I think it's strange

740
00:40:55,719 --> 00:40:59,520
Speaker 7: that we are releasing an image of this potential shooter

741
00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:02,239
Speaker 7: where an American flag and a ball cap, Like, what

742
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:03,320
Speaker 7: is that dangerous?

743
00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:06,800
Speaker 3: Also, I don't know, I'm.

744
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:12,479
Speaker 2: Surprised that that footage is being seen so widely. And again,

745
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:14,320
Speaker 2: we work in true crime. We see this in cases.

746
00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:18,239
Speaker 2: We've seen people be harmed in hurt because of their misidentification.

747
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:22,440
Speaker 2: It is a little you know, I don't know how

748
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:26,040
Speaker 2: to even talk about how somebody could get such a

749
00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:29,800
Speaker 2: great shot and have such access scary stuff.

750
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:33,600
Speaker 7: It's just such scary stuff. So yeah, and I think that,

751
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:36,799
Speaker 7: like my concern more is if people have sort of

752
00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:39,520
Speaker 7: lookalikes versus the FBI.

753
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:42,040
Speaker 3: It appears that it's released with a certainty.

754
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:44,879
Speaker 7: I mean, we've seen if you've been watching, you've seen

755
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:49,000
Speaker 7: the video of the perpetrator allegedly running across the.

756
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:51,560
Speaker 3: Rifle in a towel in the woods.

757
00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:57,800
Speaker 7: Apparently, and apparently there is video of the perpetrator leaving.

758
00:41:57,960 --> 00:42:01,200
Speaker 2: So well, regardless, here's I want to know about Epstein.

759
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:04,359
Speaker 2: Let's just like refocus it up. I would like to

760
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:09,440
Speaker 2: understand better Epstein's financial backing because there is one thing

761
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:12,160
Speaker 2: I know is we have to follow the money at

762
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:13,000
Speaker 2: all costs.

763
00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:15,399
Speaker 3: So how does this grifter of a.

764
00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:18,719
Speaker 2: Guy who has not does not have an illustrious background.

765
00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:23,360
Speaker 2: This is not a you know, a finance extraordinaiy. This

766
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:27,319
Speaker 2: is a guy who has very little background, yet he

767
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:30,640
Speaker 2: has somehow managed to be in the middle of so

768
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:34,120
Speaker 2: many high profile let's just call it. Take the leaders

769
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:36,200
Speaker 2: out of it, let's justa let's take a list out of.

770
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:38,160
Speaker 3: It, let's talk. Let's keep the.

771
00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:40,800
Speaker 2: Names out of it for a hot minute, out of respect.

772
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:44,319
Speaker 2: But what about the money piece of it? How is

773
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:48,560
Speaker 2: it possible that this average guy somehow is in the

774
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:53,399
Speaker 2: in the behive with this much money swirling around him?

775
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:57,360
Speaker 2: Is it possible that he was what's the word honey potting?

776
00:42:57,400 --> 00:43:01,600
Speaker 2: When you when you when you sort of lure, you know,

777
00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:05,120
Speaker 2: you're giving a you're basically luring people to your island

778
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:08,480
Speaker 2: so that you can put them in compromising positions where

779
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:12,879
Speaker 2: you can therefore blackmail them, where you can therefore have

780
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:18,040
Speaker 2: that blackmail equal a lot of money or a lot

781
00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:22,279
Speaker 2: of high profile decisions or frankly, world decisions.

782
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:25,200
Speaker 3: Is it possible that he was a somebody.

783
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:31,799
Speaker 2: Who was being paid to lure people into these situations.

784
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:35,239
Speaker 3: Who knows. That's of course a speculation.

785
00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:38,480
Speaker 2: But I'm so curious how we can see Deutsche Bank

786
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:44,680
Speaker 2: and JP Morgan be implicated in something so insidious.

787
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:47,600
Speaker 7: Well, you're saying, follow the money, and the fact of

788
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:50,759
Speaker 7: the matter, as it seems, is that you know, they

789
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:54,600
Speaker 7: were aware that there were wrong doings going on with

790
00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:59,520
Speaker 7: the money. However, having Ebstein as a client was bringing

791
00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:05,080
Speaker 7: them so much money that it was, you know, close

792
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:06,000
Speaker 7: enough to keep them.

793
00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:08,120
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, let's just traffic.

794
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:10,200
Speaker 2: A bunch of thousands and thousands of girls, some of

795
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:11,640
Speaker 2: which were fourteen years old.

796
00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:14,520
Speaker 3: Man, Yes, I mean, let's stay.

797
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:18,160
Speaker 2: Let's ask the other question, how do you own an island?

798
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:23,520
Speaker 2: How does this average schmagega guy suddenly own an island

799
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:28,040
Speaker 2: that's like real money? Where are all the videotapes that

800
00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:32,320
Speaker 2: we saw being removed from said island and the West

801
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:36,320
Speaker 2: Palm Beach location that he lived in, which was extraordinary?

802
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:39,600
Speaker 3: What about the New York City address.

803
00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:42,120
Speaker 2: One of the most high fallutant locations in all of

804
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:44,920
Speaker 2: New York City, one of the most expensive cities in

805
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:45,800
Speaker 2: all of the land.

806
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:48,280
Speaker 3: Who is paying the bill?

807
00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:52,920
Speaker 2: And I think that is a very scary answer or

808
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:56,439
Speaker 2: or is it? I don't know, but I think it's

809
00:44:56,440 --> 00:44:59,480
Speaker 2: also something that no one's really talking about right now.

810
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:04,120
Speaker 2: And and this story is continuing regardless of whether we

811
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:06,600
Speaker 2: cover it or not. And I think if you have

812
00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:10,960
Speaker 2: an opinion, we'd love to hear it, because again, so

813
00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:13,920
Speaker 2: much confusing information at such a triggering time.

814
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:16,920
Speaker 7: That's right, Well, listen, stay with us, because at the

815
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:20,799
Speaker 7: top of the hour we have more true crime headlines

816
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:22,800
Speaker 7: we want to hear from you, eighty eight three to

817
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:25,560
Speaker 7: one crime, and later we are going to get to

818
00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:29,200
Speaker 7: speak with Sheena Scarborough and how she is keeping her

819
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:41,960
Speaker 7: daughter Shadday Robinson's memory alive. Keep it here True Crime tonight.

820
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:46,600
Speaker 2: And look, it's been a heavy couple of days. It's

821
00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:51,120
Speaker 2: nine to eleven. We want to send our prayers and

822
00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:56,600
Speaker 2: our love collectively to anyone who has been affected by

823
00:45:56,600 --> 00:46:00,000
Speaker 2: the tragedy twenty four years ago in New York City.

824
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:04,200
Speaker 2: Nine to eleven has affected us all and remained so

825
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:10,520
Speaker 2: deeply in our hearts, and I hope everybody is still

826
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:14,560
Speaker 2: feeling the love and the compassion and the empathy. Again,

827
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:17,359
Speaker 2: if you have a story from that time period, we've

828
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:20,000
Speaker 2: heard so many important ones. I even had a friend

829
00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:24,240
Speaker 2: who was had gotten like multiple parking tickets, for example,

830
00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:26,799
Speaker 2: And it's a small thing, but it stuck with me.

831
00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:29,920
Speaker 2: This morning had gotten a bunch of parking tickets and

832
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:33,600
Speaker 2: was working in one of the trade buildings and because

833
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:37,440
Speaker 2: of said parking tickets, they couldn't go to work that

834
00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:39,960
Speaker 2: morning and had to go and pay all these parking

835
00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:44,439
Speaker 2: tickets because their car had been impounded, and then had

836
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:48,239
Speaker 2: they gone, they would have been lost. So it's like

837
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:52,000
Speaker 2: all of these lighting doors moments, children who have grown

838
00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:56,320
Speaker 2: up without their parents. It's just the stories are endless.

839
00:46:57,200 --> 00:46:59,279
Speaker 2: So if you have one to share, please do we

840
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:02,360
Speaker 2: want to hear it. And if you don't want to

841
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:05,640
Speaker 2: share it, just know that we're thinking of you and

842
00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:09,520
Speaker 2: moving on. You know, steph Taha, what do you want

843
00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:09,920
Speaker 2: to share?

844
00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:11,440
Speaker 3: Where you were?

845
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:13,919
Speaker 8: Sure? Well, where we were?

846
00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:17,880
Speaker 11: I think for some reason, I feel like Stephanie and

847
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:20,719
Speaker 11: I were both working together around that same time.

848
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:24,480
Speaker 2: We were. We absolutely were. We were New Yorkers who

849
00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:29,279
Speaker 2: had moved to Los Angeles at that time, which was

850
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:29,480
Speaker 2: like a.

851
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:30,560
Speaker 3: Big dream come true.

852
00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:35,560
Speaker 2: Suddenly we went from city living to sunshine and beaches

853
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:36,520
Speaker 2: and yeah.

854
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:40,000
Speaker 11: Everyone casual and relaxed, and yeah, I don't remember the

855
00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:42,200
Speaker 11: project one hundred. I feel like it's one of the

856
00:47:42,239 --> 00:47:44,799
Speaker 11: ones we've done together. Yeah, do you remember we were

857
00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:46,839
Speaker 11: told we didn't have to come into work and the

858
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:51,440
Speaker 11: visuals of everything that day were so impactful, But it

859
00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:53,680
Speaker 11: was crazy. It was hard to believe. And that's why

860
00:47:53,719 --> 00:47:57,239
Speaker 11: some of this is remembering. I started calling everyone from

861
00:47:57,280 --> 00:47:59,239
Speaker 11: the office back in New York. I couldn't get through

862
00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:02,759
Speaker 11: to eighty in New York. It was, it was. It

863
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:05,359
Speaker 11: was disturbing when you have friends and family that lived

864
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:07,400
Speaker 11: there and then you have no idea what's going on.

865
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:08,239
Speaker 8: You can't reach them.

866
00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:11,080
Speaker 2: It was a really like naked feeling to not be

867
00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:13,000
Speaker 2: able to get on a plane and be in New

868
00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:15,080
Speaker 2: York as a New Yorker during that time.

869
00:48:15,160 --> 00:48:16,319
Speaker 3: And yeah, you're so right.

870
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:19,799
Speaker 2: I was with like Jocelyn Inquiry, a friends mutual you know,

871
00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:23,560
Speaker 2: friends that we used to work with also at that time,

872
00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:25,640
Speaker 2: real time.

873
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:30,200
Speaker 3: So, yeah, you're right, it's it's been a we've had

874
00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:31,080
Speaker 3: a great run.

875
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:32,120
Speaker 8: A great run, I know.

876
00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:33,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know so many.

877
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:39,839
Speaker 2: Life yeah, important life memories together and really tragic ones.

878
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:42,480
Speaker 3: Courtney, where were you? Yeah?

879
00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:46,920
Speaker 7: I had also just moved from New York Connecticut area

880
00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:51,960
Speaker 7: to Los Angeles and my mother called Betty, who.

881
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:53,719
Speaker 3: I seem to talk about on the show.

882
00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:56,840
Speaker 2: But we love you, Betty, love you, Betty.

883
00:48:57,120 --> 00:49:00,200
Speaker 7: Betty called me very early in the morning my time

884
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:01,840
Speaker 7: and said, turn the news on.

885
00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:04,000
Speaker 3: And so I was on the phone with my mom.

886
00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:07,400
Speaker 7: The first building had been hit and I was on

887
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:11,040
Speaker 7: the phone watching news when the second building was hit.

888
00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:14,000
Speaker 7: So that was, you know, six six something my time.

889
00:49:15,160 --> 00:49:18,920
Speaker 7: And that day I was supposed to start. It was

890
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:20,920
Speaker 7: going to be my first day of working with a

891
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:23,160
Speaker 7: lawyer who I worked with for a couple of years.

892
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:25,520
Speaker 7: And I had to call into work and I remember

893
00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:28,920
Speaker 7: I literally said, I'm like my mom said, I can't

894
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:30,040
Speaker 7: go to work today.

895
00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:33,279
Speaker 3: I think that we are at war. And that was all.

896
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:38,719
Speaker 7: It was so confusing, I mean, it was just it

897
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:39,600
Speaker 7: was so confusing.

898
00:49:39,680 --> 00:49:45,200
Speaker 3: My cousin Chris, thank god, he walked down.

899
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:48,160
Speaker 7: He was in one of the towers, and he has

900
00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:55,040
Speaker 7: commented many times of the unbelievable experience of seeing first.

901
00:49:54,840 --> 00:49:57,880
Speaker 3: Responders go up in wow.

902
00:49:58,080 --> 00:50:01,040
Speaker 7: And also so not just what it was like walking

903
00:50:01,080 --> 00:50:04,239
Speaker 7: down the stairs with everyone helping everyone, no matter, and

904
00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:07,439
Speaker 7: he'll say this and posts, you know, no matter, what's

905
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:10,680
Speaker 7: your creed, what's your religion, what's your everything, everyone helping

906
00:50:10,719 --> 00:50:13,720
Speaker 7: who they could, and once again those first responders going

907
00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:15,760
Speaker 7: in while people were fleeing.

908
00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:19,480
Speaker 2: So you think about that. I mean, that is just

909
00:50:19,719 --> 00:50:23,400
Speaker 2: something that is a moment. It's a feeling, right, and

910
00:50:23,560 --> 00:50:26,640
Speaker 2: I think we all have it. I think every single

911
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:30,080
Speaker 2: one of us has that feeling that John feel, for example,

912
00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:33,600
Speaker 2: you know, spoke about earlier, where you know, when put

913
00:50:33,640 --> 00:50:36,600
Speaker 2: to the moment, at that set when you have no

914
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:40,680
Speaker 2: time to think, when you're just operating from your heart space,

915
00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:43,560
Speaker 2: that you just run right in. It's like, you know,

916
00:50:43,719 --> 00:50:47,360
Speaker 2: we hear stories about mothers, you know, lifting a truck

917
00:50:47,560 --> 00:50:50,600
Speaker 2: to save their child pinned underneath it, and you're like,

918
00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:55,520
Speaker 2: that's unimaginable. Yeah, that's that's the thing, right, So like

919
00:50:55,600 --> 00:50:58,120
Speaker 2: that instinct. I don't even know how to put words

920
00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:02,040
Speaker 2: on it, but I find it so wildly impressive.

921
00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:08,279
Speaker 11: I'd asked Sam and Adam, but I think you're you

922
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:10,680
Speaker 11: were in strollers at that time, or were you?

923
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:12,640
Speaker 12: I don't know, Well, I was in I was in

924
00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:16,160
Speaker 12: first grade at the time, so I am just old

925
00:51:16,239 --> 00:51:17,879
Speaker 12: enough to remember it, Okay.

926
00:51:18,200 --> 00:51:19,560
Speaker 3: I think I was at school for some red.

927
00:51:19,640 --> 00:51:22,920
Speaker 12: I might be combining memories, but I remember my teacher

928
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:25,840
Speaker 12: was from New York and hit her hard, and I

929
00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:29,359
Speaker 12: remember her sitting all of us down and having a conversation.

930
00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:32,319
Speaker 3: I'll pass the mic over to Sam here.

931
00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:33,880
Speaker 9: Yeah.

932
00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:36,200
Speaker 13: I actually was in fifth grade at the time, and

933
00:51:36,239 --> 00:51:38,600
Speaker 13: I remember being televised.

934
00:51:39,239 --> 00:51:42,160
Speaker 14: Actually one of my classmates, her dad was in one

935
00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:43,000
Speaker 14: of the buildings.

936
00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:46,120
Speaker 8: Oh you made it.

937
00:51:46,719 --> 00:51:49,120
Speaker 2: I just remember a lot of that that was going

938
00:51:49,160 --> 00:51:52,560
Speaker 2: on that day. Oh wow. And I guess that's a

939
00:51:52,560 --> 00:51:54,520
Speaker 2: it's a complicated I mean, listen, we work in true

940
00:51:54,520 --> 00:51:57,200
Speaker 2: crime and see grizzly things, but I also think we

941
00:51:57,239 --> 00:51:59,520
Speaker 2: work in true crime because we have empathy.

942
00:51:59,640 --> 00:52:01,759
Speaker 3: We want to.

943
00:52:01,040 --> 00:52:05,520
Speaker 2: Solve things and help things and understand things and be

944
00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:08,760
Speaker 2: able to identify things and spot things in the future.

945
00:52:09,719 --> 00:52:12,799
Speaker 2: It's so different than some of these visuals. Even when

946
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:15,120
Speaker 2: you see the visuals today, people jumping out of you know,

947
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:21,000
Speaker 2: eighty story floors. You know, it's hard to unsee. So,

948
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:24,680
Speaker 2: you know, these are very difficult times, and of course,

949
00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:29,439
Speaker 2: the tragedy and assassination yesterday something that we're all we're

950
00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:33,880
Speaker 2: all kind of reeling from. Still and listen, if you

951
00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:36,799
Speaker 2: missed any of the first hour, you know, you can

952
00:52:36,840 --> 00:52:40,520
Speaker 2: always catch it right after as a podcast. Please, do

953
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:47,000
Speaker 2: you know Apple Podcast has highlighted us as podcast podcast

954
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:48,120
Speaker 2: of the.

955
00:52:48,080 --> 00:52:51,880
Speaker 3: Month, so I love that and thank you for that.

956
00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:54,960
Speaker 3: So I don't know.

957
00:52:55,280 --> 00:52:57,719
Speaker 2: Nine to eleven is a tough one and it's just

958
00:52:57,760 --> 00:53:01,080
Speaker 2: an important thing for us to really end her in and.

959
00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:05,080
Speaker 7: Remember it is. And again, if it listen, we would

960
00:53:05,120 --> 00:53:06,920
Speaker 7: love to hear from you. We just shared ours and

961
00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:11,239
Speaker 7: if you want to let us know any thoughts you're

962
00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:13,960
Speaker 7: having about nine to eleven or otherwise edit eight through

963
00:53:14,040 --> 00:53:17,719
Speaker 7: one crime. We are True Crime tonight and speaking of

964
00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:21,520
Speaker 7: sort of anniversaries and reminiscing Taha.

965
00:53:22,040 --> 00:53:25,640
Speaker 11: You had a story to share, I did, and it

966
00:53:25,719 --> 00:53:28,360
Speaker 11: ties in with New York a little bit. But it

967
00:53:28,440 --> 00:53:32,000
Speaker 11: feels like this is another music related sort of my

968
00:53:32,080 --> 00:53:34,640
Speaker 11: world of music and crime are kind of intersecting a lot.

969
00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:38,640
Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, it's almost like it's a Taha intersection.

970
00:53:39,320 --> 00:53:43,000
Speaker 2: I like Temptation Island. I think it might have been Temptation.

971
00:53:43,120 --> 00:53:45,399
Speaker 2: I think what we were working on maybe season two.

972
00:53:45,560 --> 00:53:47,440
Speaker 3: That might have been one on Fox.

973
00:53:47,600 --> 00:53:48,960
Speaker 8: I don't know, it could be.

974
00:53:49,120 --> 00:53:53,080
Speaker 11: Yeah, there's a few shows in the past, and.

975
00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:56,360
Speaker 2: I love it, you guys, because we have any impact

976
00:53:56,360 --> 00:54:00,200
Speaker 2: of that other time another day.

977
00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:03,560
Speaker 11: The stories we have for that one but yeah, but well,

978
00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:06,279
Speaker 11: so back to this. This is some music and some

979
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:11,479
Speaker 11: crime intertwined. But Mark David Chapman, if you remember that name,

980
00:54:11,760 --> 00:54:15,479
Speaker 11: he was the person that nearly forty five years ago

981
00:54:16,680 --> 00:54:20,720
Speaker 11: he killed John Lennon. So Mark David Chapman, of course,

982
00:54:20,840 --> 00:54:25,839
Speaker 11: recently denied parole for the fourteenth time. This is nearly

983
00:54:25,880 --> 00:54:28,839
Speaker 11: forty five years after killing John Lennon. He For those

984
00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:32,480
Speaker 11: who don't know the background, Chapman faithly shot John Lennon

985
00:54:32,520 --> 00:54:35,640
Speaker 11: outside his New York City apartment on December eighth and

986
00:54:35,719 --> 00:54:39,880
Speaker 11: nineteen eighty. He's been serving a twenty twenty year to

987
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:43,720
Speaker 11: life sentence since nineteen eighty one. He's repeatedly expressed remorse,

988
00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:46,840
Speaker 11: but remains in court incarcerated due to the nature of

989
00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:51,640
Speaker 11: his crime, of course, and he's continued public and victim

990
00:54:52,080 --> 00:54:55,280
Speaker 11: there's been continued public and victim opposition to his release.

991
00:54:55,800 --> 00:54:59,399
Speaker 8: So that is a listening yo.

992
00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:03,600
Speaker 7: Go as well has continually opposed his release and said

993
00:55:03,600 --> 00:55:07,640
Speaker 7: it's listened to personal trauma and public safety concerns, which

994
00:55:07,680 --> 00:55:08,760
Speaker 7: seem really valid.

995
00:55:09,239 --> 00:55:11,839
Speaker 8: I agree, Yeah, I think there.

996
00:55:11,960 --> 00:55:14,279
Speaker 11: I think this is a case where you know, I

997
00:55:14,320 --> 00:55:16,560
Speaker 11: think it hit so many people so hard, like many

998
00:55:16,560 --> 00:55:18,160
Speaker 11: of the things we're talking about, but this is one

999
00:55:18,200 --> 00:55:21,120
Speaker 11: where it's just it's hard to let that one go

1000
00:55:21,239 --> 00:55:22,799
Speaker 11: and move past it.

1001
00:55:22,920 --> 00:55:25,480
Speaker 2: So yeah, and for anyone who's not aware of who

1002
00:55:25,560 --> 00:55:26,520
Speaker 2: John Lennon is.

1003
00:55:27,120 --> 00:55:28,560
Speaker 3: Which is really possible.

1004
00:55:28,760 --> 00:55:28,960
Speaker 13: Right.

1005
00:55:29,120 --> 00:55:32,360
Speaker 2: So John Lennon was the I guess, the lead of

1006
00:55:32,360 --> 00:55:38,880
Speaker 2: the Beatles, right, the infamous Beatles, and was you know,

1007
00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:44,320
Speaker 2: really senselessly and also viciously assassinated outside of his home

1008
00:55:44,560 --> 00:55:47,520
Speaker 2: in New York City. You know, again, that used to

1009
00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:50,160
Speaker 2: be a place that there was a memoriam. I forget

1010
00:55:50,200 --> 00:55:54,360
Speaker 2: what street that was on exactly that his building, but

1011
00:55:54,960 --> 00:55:57,440
Speaker 2: I've been to it and by it many times. But

1012
00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:01,439
Speaker 2: you know, for all of these years, there's typically some

1013
00:56:01,480 --> 00:56:05,120
Speaker 2: sort of flower or some sort of a memoriam out there,

1014
00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:09,000
Speaker 2: which you know, which really just shows the power of legacy,

1015
00:56:09,239 --> 00:56:13,960
Speaker 2: right and making an impacts on people's lives. You know.

1016
00:56:14,080 --> 00:56:16,640
Speaker 2: Music is that thing, right, We all kind of are

1017
00:56:16,840 --> 00:56:18,359
Speaker 2: so affected.

1018
00:56:17,880 --> 00:56:20,960
Speaker 11: By his one one of his songs imagined to this day,

1019
00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:24,120
Speaker 11: I still get goose like every time You're Beautiful.

1020
00:56:23,719 --> 00:56:28,520
Speaker 3: Still the theme song of this moment, I think.

1021
00:56:28,560 --> 00:56:30,480
Speaker 8: So that's a good point, Courtney.

1022
00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:32,600
Speaker 7: You're going to say something, oh beautiful boy, which I

1023
00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:35,279
Speaker 7: wasn't calling you although you are beautiful boy is a

1024
00:56:35,320 --> 00:56:39,360
Speaker 7: song that that I.

1025
00:56:42,239 --> 00:56:47,360
Speaker 3: Oh shoot, he's beautiful when Tah.

1026
00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:50,120
Speaker 2: When I first met Taha, he was a producer and

1027
00:56:50,239 --> 00:56:53,560
Speaker 2: very fancy, and he was exactly as he is right now.

1028
00:56:53,640 --> 00:56:56,920
Speaker 2: He's always very polished, and he's very you know, smart,

1029
00:56:56,920 --> 00:57:01,080
Speaker 2: and he's very up to date and has a clipboard sometimes, right,

1030
00:57:01,640 --> 00:57:02,640
Speaker 2: he loves a clipboard.

1031
00:57:02,920 --> 00:57:06,000
Speaker 3: He did them too, and sometimes he'd be like, oh shoot,

1032
00:57:06,760 --> 00:57:08,600
Speaker 3: can we just think about that a different way?

1033
00:57:09,160 --> 00:57:12,279
Speaker 2: And like I say oh shoot like Taha in my

1034
00:57:12,400 --> 00:57:15,640
Speaker 2: head probably thirty five times a day for the last

1035
00:57:15,719 --> 00:57:18,160
Speaker 2: two thousand years since I've known you.

1036
00:57:18,680 --> 00:57:20,680
Speaker 3: And by the way, he still says it.

1037
00:57:20,760 --> 00:57:23,280
Speaker 2: And by the way, now we all do, Adam and

1038
00:57:23,320 --> 00:57:26,800
Speaker 2: Sam included. So that's also another catchpra we should make

1039
00:57:26,840 --> 00:57:27,320
Speaker 2: a T shirt.

1040
00:57:27,320 --> 00:57:28,960
Speaker 3: Oh shoot shot.

1041
00:57:30,960 --> 00:57:35,640
Speaker 2: Shoot, yeah, yes, exactly, not shoot like oh shoot, Well

1042
00:57:35,720 --> 00:57:36,360
Speaker 2: I can't see.

1043
00:57:36,520 --> 00:57:37,440
Speaker 3: This is a tricky thing.

1044
00:57:38,040 --> 00:57:41,520
Speaker 2: So show we don't mean like shoot as in the gun.

1045
00:57:41,800 --> 00:57:44,360
Speaker 2: It's like, oh shoot, like I forgot something, not like

1046
00:57:44,640 --> 00:57:45,320
Speaker 2: pull a trigger.

1047
00:57:45,440 --> 00:57:51,520
Speaker 3: Oh shoot, A valid distinction. Who would have thought? But yes,

1048
00:57:51,640 --> 00:57:52,280
Speaker 3: here we are like.

1049
00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:54,600
Speaker 7: You're not just bringing the music news, You're bringing a

1050
00:57:54,600 --> 00:57:56,400
Speaker 7: little controversy with yes.

1051
00:57:58,240 --> 00:58:00,960
Speaker 3: So this is again the are a buzzing.

1052
00:58:01,840 --> 00:58:04,000
Speaker 11: Let's keep them ringing and buzzing. But yeah, I like

1053
00:58:04,040 --> 00:58:06,280
Speaker 11: the music stuff, so I'll keep you abreast of any

1054
00:58:06,280 --> 00:58:08,840
Speaker 11: other ones. There's no news on David by the way,

1055
00:58:09,000 --> 00:58:09,520
Speaker 11: the singer.

1056
00:58:09,840 --> 00:58:11,600
Speaker 2: Yes, what happened with that last night?

1057
00:58:12,080 --> 00:58:14,680
Speaker 8: Yeah, there's no update. He's still touring.

1058
00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:18,040
Speaker 11: So nothing else found in the front of a tesla

1059
00:58:18,120 --> 00:58:18,800
Speaker 11: or anything like that.

1060
00:58:18,840 --> 00:58:21,800
Speaker 8: So we're we're good and and but I'll keep you

1061
00:58:22,160 --> 00:58:24,480
Speaker 8: up to date. I'm following that one really closely as well.

1062
00:58:24,560 --> 00:58:27,880
Speaker 8: So I suddenly like into the music side of crime.

1063
00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:32,800
Speaker 2: So are you a music of correspondent crime tonight?

1064
00:58:32,920 --> 00:58:33,640
Speaker 5: It might be.

1065
00:58:35,640 --> 00:58:38,760
Speaker 2: You get to go to the v M as results.

1066
00:58:38,960 --> 00:58:45,280
Speaker 14: Well, we are hard and are you gonna host Wango Tango?

1067
00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:49,800
Speaker 14: Let's know where do I get the tickets?

1068
00:58:50,680 --> 00:58:52,320
Speaker 3: I actually think we are.

1069
00:58:52,200 --> 00:58:54,600
Speaker 2: In that beehive that that could happen.

1070
00:58:55,440 --> 00:58:59,680
Speaker 11: That's nice, official we get concert tickets that Okay.

1071
00:58:59,320 --> 00:59:02,320
Speaker 2: I feel like there's a concert upon us actually very soon,

1072
00:59:02,520 --> 00:59:04,240
Speaker 2: So I don't know, Hope.

1073
00:59:04,040 --> 00:59:06,520
Speaker 3: Can you pull us some strings?

1074
00:59:06,680 --> 00:59:07,000
Speaker 8: Okay?

1075
00:59:07,360 --> 00:59:11,240
Speaker 10: Shoot, let's it slipped out. That was a real one.

1076
00:59:13,440 --> 00:59:16,320
Speaker 10: I love that's going to be your beat that's going

1077
00:59:16,360 --> 00:59:18,880
Speaker 10: to be your beat. So the music crime, well, there's

1078
00:59:19,000 --> 00:59:20,520
Speaker 10: quite a few of them that we should also put

1079
00:59:20,520 --> 00:59:23,520
Speaker 10: on your radar of yester year, right, like there have

1080
00:59:23,680 --> 00:59:26,080
Speaker 10: been lots of musical crimes.

1081
00:59:25,840 --> 00:59:28,680
Speaker 3: Of course, Oh yeah, what comes to head Court?

1082
00:59:28,960 --> 00:59:33,440
Speaker 7: Of course, Well the twenty seven club comes to head sure,

1083
00:59:33,760 --> 00:59:36,560
Speaker 7: you know. So for people who don't know, there's you know,

1084
00:59:36,640 --> 00:59:40,960
Speaker 7: thoughts and theories of the fact that many musicians Jim Morrison,

1085
00:59:41,920 --> 00:59:47,040
Speaker 7: Amy Winehouse, jo thank you.

1086
00:59:47,640 --> 00:59:50,960
Speaker 2: Many people who die at the age of twenty seven?

1087
00:59:51,240 --> 00:59:52,040
Speaker 8: I did not know.

1088
00:59:52,720 --> 00:59:53,240
Speaker 3: How do you not?

1089
00:59:53,440 --> 00:59:56,840
Speaker 2: How does our music correspond to know this?

1090
00:59:57,200 --> 00:59:58,680
Speaker 3: Well, listen, keep it here.

1091
00:59:58,960 --> 01:00:01,640
Speaker 7: We have Sheena sco will be joining us and she

1092
01:00:01,760 --> 01:00:04,920
Speaker 7: is going to be talk about the wonderful work she's doing.

1093
01:00:05,440 --> 01:00:18,760
Speaker 2: Keep it here at True Crime Tonight, Important perspective check.

1094
01:00:19,400 --> 01:00:23,080
Speaker 2: This is again an important story. We've covered it before

1095
01:00:23,240 --> 01:00:28,120
Speaker 2: several times. Courtney Body and I have felt extremely close

1096
01:00:28,160 --> 01:00:31,720
Speaker 2: to this case, and without further ado, we would like

1097
01:00:31,800 --> 01:00:36,560
Speaker 2: to invite Sheina Scarborough back to the show. She's been

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Speaker 2: here once before, really after unspeakable tragedy and is you know,

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Speaker 2: shedding light on other cases that are being kind of

1100
01:00:48,960 --> 01:00:52,200
Speaker 2: underserved in the media and maybe not getting enough attention

1101
01:00:52,680 --> 01:00:54,840
Speaker 2: after the tragic loss of her own daughter.

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Speaker 3: So Courtney, you take it away. Absolutely.

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01:00:59,000 --> 01:01:04,120
Speaker 7: Shaddey Robinson daughter was she was murdered, she was dismembered.

1104
01:01:05,080 --> 01:01:12,160
Speaker 7: This happened in Milwaukee, and ultimately the murderer, Maxwell Anderson,

1105
01:01:12,600 --> 01:01:16,440
Speaker 7: was sentenced to life in prison. Without her role, she

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01:01:16,560 --> 01:01:20,040
Speaker 7: founded Chade's Voice Foundation, which we will speak about shortly,

1107
01:01:20,560 --> 01:01:23,400
Speaker 7: and that is pushing for a task force to address

1108
01:01:23,480 --> 01:01:27,600
Speaker 7: missing and murdered black and brown women. And there are

1109
01:01:27,800 --> 01:01:34,920
Speaker 7: you know, politicians joining the cause. So before Shina comes on,

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01:01:35,160 --> 01:01:38,320
Speaker 7: I just wanted to play a quick moment of her

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01:01:39,200 --> 01:01:41,760
Speaker 7: powerful victim's impact statement.

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Speaker 15: You and your family will be held fully responsible for

1113
01:01:47,400 --> 01:01:50,840
Speaker 15: the rest of your life. You will be eternally haunted

1114
01:01:51,320 --> 01:01:55,360
Speaker 15: by myself, my ancestors. I know you cannot sleep at night.

1115
01:01:55,920 --> 01:01:59,240
Speaker 15: They have already been at you. You will never get peace,

1116
01:01:59,320 --> 01:02:03,320
Speaker 15: you will never sleep. You no longer can harm and

1117
01:02:03,480 --> 01:02:06,440
Speaker 15: hurt my innocent baby. You took advantage of her. You

1118
01:02:06,560 --> 01:02:10,360
Speaker 15: manipulated her in the worst possible way. You're a coward.

1119
01:02:10,480 --> 01:02:11,520
Speaker 15: My daughter is a hero.

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Speaker 8: Sheina.

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Speaker 3: Welcome on, Welcome on, he gang.

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Speaker 4: How you guys doing first and foremost?

1123
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Speaker 3: Love you?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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01:02:29,520 --> 01:02:32,680
Speaker 3: Yes, the whole gang. We're so happy. Listen.

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Speaker 7: Ever since, ever since you have been on, obviously, none

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01:02:36,240 --> 01:02:39,800
Speaker 7: of us have stopped thinking about you and everything you're doing.

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Speaker 3: And you know, since we.

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Speaker 7: Have spoken, you of course had the sentencing and gave

1130
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Speaker 7: that powerful statement. Is it right that you didn't write

1131
01:02:51,320 --> 01:02:52,560
Speaker 7: anything down in advance?

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01:02:52,640 --> 01:02:54,000
Speaker 3: All of that was from your heart.

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01:02:56,440 --> 01:03:01,920
Speaker 13: Yes, that's that's absolutely correct. You know, as I share

1134
01:03:02,000 --> 01:03:07,440
Speaker 13: with anyone, you know, when I'm doing you know, speaking,

1135
01:03:07,960 --> 01:03:11,400
Speaker 13: doing any type of interview or speaking on behalf of

1136
01:03:11,480 --> 01:03:15,640
Speaker 13: shah day, I'm usually I just I call it freestyle.

1137
01:03:16,160 --> 01:03:20,200
Speaker 13: I speak, you know, through my soul, through her, and

1138
01:03:20,280 --> 01:03:23,240
Speaker 13: you know I'm her voice, and she speaks through me.

1139
01:03:23,800 --> 01:03:24,680
Speaker 13: I speak through her.

1140
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Speaker 3: It's really beautiful.

1141
01:03:27,480 --> 01:03:31,240
Speaker 7: I can't think of anything more powerful a mother could do.

1142
01:03:31,800 --> 01:03:32,240
Speaker 3: Period.

1143
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Speaker 7: And do you want to tell us a little bit

1144
01:03:36,320 --> 01:03:39,160
Speaker 7: more about Shada's voice foundation?

1145
01:03:41,240 --> 01:03:45,160
Speaker 13: Yeah? Sure. So you know, this has been again the

1146
01:03:45,160 --> 01:03:51,160
Speaker 13: most tragic, you know, unimaginable experience any parent or family

1147
01:03:51,320 --> 01:03:59,320
Speaker 13: can endure. And through the process, you know, I have

1148
01:03:59,480 --> 01:04:04,640
Speaker 13: to find some type of focus or you know, elevation

1149
01:04:05,640 --> 01:04:09,320
Speaker 13: to stay above. You know, you can fall deep when

1150
01:04:09,320 --> 01:04:12,280
Speaker 13: you're dealing with grief. It comes in many different layers,

1151
01:04:12,320 --> 01:04:16,520
Speaker 13: and you know, everybody deals with grief differently. So her

1152
01:04:16,600 --> 01:04:19,440
Speaker 13: foundation is you know, a way to carry on her

1153
01:04:19,520 --> 01:04:23,240
Speaker 13: legacy and her name of who she was and who

1154
01:04:23,280 --> 01:04:27,840
Speaker 13: she represented it. And at the same time it's you know,

1155
01:04:27,960 --> 01:04:31,200
Speaker 13: the focus is it's a nonprofit. Shatta's Voice Foundation is

1156
01:04:31,200 --> 01:04:34,920
Speaker 13: a nonprofit to support you know, others in the community,

1157
01:04:35,000 --> 01:04:40,000
Speaker 13: other crime victim families with maneuvering and advocating. You know,

1158
01:04:40,160 --> 01:04:45,120
Speaker 13: the mechanisms when you're dealing with you know, the loss

1159
01:04:45,120 --> 01:04:48,200
Speaker 13: of a family member and all of the challenges and

1160
01:04:48,280 --> 01:04:52,320
Speaker 13: layers that you have to go through. You know, learning

1161
01:04:52,600 --> 01:04:56,400
Speaker 13: every system and you know, advocating you know, for your

1162
01:04:56,480 --> 01:04:59,440
Speaker 13: child while you're grieving and you know, getting through the

1163
01:04:59,520 --> 01:05:03,320
Speaker 13: process from you know, being able to survive and you know,

1164
01:05:04,080 --> 01:05:09,000
Speaker 13: understanding crime victims compensations and in different things that you know,

1165
01:05:09,040 --> 01:05:13,200
Speaker 13: your state provides and you have access to understanding your

1166
01:05:13,240 --> 01:05:14,560
Speaker 13: crime victims.

1167
01:05:15,920 --> 01:05:17,840
Speaker 2: By the way, it's Steph and you bring up a

1168
01:05:17,880 --> 01:05:21,560
Speaker 2: really really important point because you know, listen, many of

1169
01:05:21,600 --> 01:05:25,240
Speaker 2: our listeners have also been you know, either victims of

1170
01:05:25,320 --> 01:05:28,400
Speaker 2: crimes or have loved ones who have been the victims

1171
01:05:28,400 --> 01:05:32,400
Speaker 2: of crimes. And you know, while in recovery or while

1172
01:05:32,560 --> 01:05:37,000
Speaker 2: healing or grieving from these things. It is a really

1173
01:05:37,000 --> 01:05:41,640
Speaker 2: hard system to sometimes navigate, so having advocates, you know,

1174
01:05:41,920 --> 01:05:46,640
Speaker 2: frankly like you, and again, nobody wants to be necessarily

1175
01:05:46,680 --> 01:05:49,840
Speaker 2: the king of this club, but it's really important stuff

1176
01:05:49,840 --> 01:05:54,120
Speaker 2: because you can imagine how emotionally dysregulated you must be

1177
01:05:54,960 --> 01:05:58,120
Speaker 2: when you're in the wake of tragedy like this, you know,

1178
01:05:58,200 --> 01:06:00,400
Speaker 2: and again I hate to even say this with you

1179
01:06:00,480 --> 01:06:04,680
Speaker 2: on the line, but you know, Shade was nineteen years

1180
01:06:04,680 --> 01:06:08,560
Speaker 2: old and a college student and went on a first

1181
01:06:08,680 --> 01:06:13,160
Speaker 2: date with a monster and this monster not only took

1182
01:06:13,200 --> 01:06:17,840
Speaker 2: her life, but dismembered her body and has done a

1183
01:06:17,880 --> 01:06:23,400
Speaker 2: crime that is too graphic and disgusting to even discuss.

1184
01:06:23,400 --> 01:06:28,600
Speaker 13: And yet it's disrespectful and the most unimaginable.

1185
01:06:27,680 --> 01:06:32,600
Speaker 3: Unimaginable way. And like we have to say it because

1186
01:06:32,640 --> 01:06:33,000
Speaker 3: we have.

1187
01:06:33,000 --> 01:06:35,440
Speaker 2: To all be mad, right, Like this is something that

1188
01:06:35,480 --> 01:06:36,240
Speaker 2: we can free.

1189
01:06:36,280 --> 01:06:39,720
Speaker 3: It is like not allowed forrill.

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Speaker 13: This is really thrill. Like you know, it's it's still

1191
01:06:44,400 --> 01:06:50,080
Speaker 13: awaking nightmare. It's seventeen months, you know, that's my baby.

1192
01:06:50,640 --> 01:06:54,200
Speaker 13: Oh it is the seventeen months, and it seems like

1193
01:06:54,440 --> 01:06:57,360
Speaker 13: yesterday and all of the things that we my family

1194
01:06:57,360 --> 01:07:00,480
Speaker 13: and I have you know, had to past pace and

1195
01:07:00,600 --> 01:07:04,960
Speaker 13: door from the trials and being dragged out and you know,

1196
01:07:05,240 --> 01:07:09,240
Speaker 13: our entire life have been displaced. You know, sometimes people

1197
01:07:09,640 --> 01:07:12,760
Speaker 13: fail to realize, you know, we don't get to you know,

1198
01:07:12,880 --> 01:07:13,800
Speaker 13: return to work.

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Speaker 9: We don't.

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Speaker 13: You have to still pay your bills, you still have

1201
01:07:17,360 --> 01:07:20,800
Speaker 13: a whole lot of things that you know are still

1202
01:07:20,840 --> 01:07:24,440
Speaker 13: on the table. Then you have to It's very challenging.

1203
01:07:24,920 --> 01:07:29,120
Speaker 13: So just to be able to have, you know, somewhere

1204
01:07:29,120 --> 01:07:32,560
Speaker 13: to go through someone who can kind of understand that

1205
01:07:32,760 --> 01:07:36,800
Speaker 13: that process or some type of guidance. You know, I

1206
01:07:36,920 --> 01:07:39,840
Speaker 13: wasn't really guided, you know, I have to kind of

1207
01:07:39,880 --> 01:07:44,920
Speaker 13: self maneuver and advocate and teaching myself and you know,

1208
01:07:45,120 --> 01:07:49,080
Speaker 13: everything that I've gone through this process. That's a part

1209
01:07:49,160 --> 01:07:52,440
Speaker 13: of the you know, things that I'm implementing and the foundation.

1210
01:07:52,640 --> 01:07:55,640
Speaker 13: So the foundation is the combination of you know, I

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01:07:55,680 --> 01:07:59,280
Speaker 13: want to be I want to implement you know, scholarships

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01:07:59,400 --> 01:08:04,400
Speaker 13: of other crime victim families, more specifically the siblings of

1213
01:08:04,520 --> 01:08:07,400
Speaker 13: crime victims. Is one of the focuses I want to

1214
01:08:07,440 --> 01:08:10,920
Speaker 13: do with the foundation. You know, I feel like sometimes

1215
01:08:11,000 --> 01:08:16,800
Speaker 13: the siblings they get you know, not intentionally, but when

1216
01:08:17,000 --> 01:08:18,840
Speaker 13: you know a parent is breathing and trying to get

1217
01:08:19,000 --> 01:08:23,200
Speaker 13: justice for one of their children. You know, they you

1218
01:08:23,240 --> 01:08:26,479
Speaker 13: can sometimes get stuck and you know, so caught up

1219
01:08:26,680 --> 01:08:31,800
Speaker 13: that you sometimes unintentionally may like not give you know,

1220
01:08:31,960 --> 01:08:34,080
Speaker 13: the usual attention to your other child.

1221
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Speaker 2: So oh yeah, so disrupting. Imagine how disrupting that must be.

1222
01:08:39,800 --> 01:08:43,280
Speaker 2: And as a mama bear you have to fight so

1223
01:08:43,520 --> 01:08:47,160
Speaker 2: hard and the system is not a simple one to navigate.

1224
01:08:47,640 --> 01:08:49,799
Speaker 3: And then, of course I know in your case, Shade

1225
01:08:49,920 --> 01:08:50,200
Speaker 3: has a.

1226
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Speaker 2: Sister, your your other daughter, who's again a rising star,

1227
01:08:55,680 --> 01:08:59,360
Speaker 2: and what an important life she will have. But also

1228
01:08:59,439 --> 01:09:03,000
Speaker 2: while grieving, and yeah, of course things get lost in

1229
01:09:03,040 --> 01:09:06,360
Speaker 2: the sauce when you're trying to find your way, and

1230
01:09:07,800 --> 01:09:10,559
Speaker 2: you're what a system you have at least to be

1231
01:09:10,600 --> 01:09:15,360
Speaker 2: able to share for others and Sina, I just.

1232
01:09:15,320 --> 01:09:18,040
Speaker 7: I wanted to say, like the one part, I love

1233
01:09:18,160 --> 01:09:19,439
Speaker 7: that Shade's voice.

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01:09:19,439 --> 01:09:22,840
Speaker 3: Your foundation has.

1235
01:09:21,560 --> 01:09:26,200
Speaker 7: Several different songs to sort of address all of the

1236
01:09:26,320 --> 01:09:29,360
Speaker 7: different things that you yourself have been through. I mean, on

1237
01:09:29,439 --> 01:09:33,520
Speaker 7: anyone's best day, navigating the court system is nearly impossible.

1238
01:09:33,640 --> 01:09:37,280
Speaker 7: So that for one and this scholarship focus, do you

1239
01:09:37,360 --> 01:09:42,200
Speaker 7: want to say anything about Adriana? I know she is

1240
01:09:42,240 --> 01:09:45,360
Speaker 7: a greeny shestar.

1241
01:09:47,800 --> 01:09:54,479
Speaker 13: I have been such a phenomenal, you know, big little sister.

1242
01:09:54,720 --> 01:09:58,880
Speaker 13: She's been standing right beside her mom on being her

1243
01:09:58,920 --> 01:10:02,680
Speaker 13: sister's voice is well, fighting right beside me. I'm extremely

1244
01:10:02,720 --> 01:10:05,960
Speaker 13: proud of her, you know, throughout all of this, you know,

1245
01:10:06,120 --> 01:10:10,040
Speaker 13: tragic trauma. This she was fifteen when this, you know occurred,

1246
01:10:10,080 --> 01:10:13,960
Speaker 13: she had a sixteen you know, birthday. It's just been

1247
01:10:14,120 --> 01:10:17,599
Speaker 13: so beast page Like you know, she shared in her

1248
01:10:17,760 --> 01:10:22,519
Speaker 13: sentencing statement, she was, you know, she's so dedicated to

1249
01:10:22,600 --> 01:10:25,680
Speaker 13: school and her sports and stuff, and you know she

1250
01:10:26,360 --> 01:10:30,200
Speaker 13: this is erupted. She's out searching for her best friend

1251
01:10:30,240 --> 01:10:33,720
Speaker 13: and her sister, her sister's remains. Are you kidding me?

1252
01:10:34,360 --> 01:10:34,439
Speaker 9: Like?

1253
01:10:34,600 --> 01:10:39,240
Speaker 13: What child you know, goes through that and then still,

1254
01:10:40,479 --> 01:10:43,960
Speaker 13: you know, happens to be able to maneuver, you know,

1255
01:10:44,200 --> 01:10:48,360
Speaker 13: maintaining all AP classes, maintaining a three point eight gpa,

1256
01:10:48,800 --> 01:10:49,519
Speaker 13: a four point eight.

1257
01:10:50,120 --> 01:10:55,680
Speaker 7: Really, I think your child, your child, That's what kind.

1258
01:10:56,200 --> 01:10:56,920
Speaker 3: I will say this.

1259
01:10:57,240 --> 01:11:03,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, amazing, great humans aren't always built on easy times. Right,

1260
01:11:03,600 --> 01:11:05,479
Speaker 2: even as I'm reading, I don't ever want to repeat

1261
01:11:05,479 --> 01:11:10,000
Speaker 2: what I'm reading right now about what you and your

1262
01:11:10,600 --> 01:11:14,040
Speaker 2: daughter had to do in terms of Yeah, retrieving remains

1263
01:11:14,040 --> 01:11:18,439
Speaker 2: of body parts and things that are unspeakable. And yet

1264
01:11:18,800 --> 01:11:22,439
Speaker 2: this is someone who has still shown up, both of you,

1265
01:11:23,200 --> 01:11:29,000
Speaker 2: showing up deliberately, intentionally, relentlessly to make sure that justice

1266
01:11:29,080 --> 01:11:31,360
Speaker 2: is done and that this man never sees the light

1267
01:11:31,400 --> 01:11:34,760
Speaker 2: of day again. And also while going to school and

1268
01:11:34,840 --> 01:11:36,920
Speaker 2: putting food on the table and all the things that

1269
01:11:37,000 --> 01:11:39,280
Speaker 2: go with it. And I think sometimes that gets lost,

1270
01:11:40,000 --> 01:11:43,800
Speaker 2: you know, a crime isn't just an event. The aftermath,

1271
01:11:44,640 --> 01:11:47,599
Speaker 2: the grief, the remorse, the ripple effect, it is just

1272
01:11:47,840 --> 01:11:50,840
Speaker 2: really never ending. And I think that's where we can

1273
01:11:50,880 --> 01:11:54,040
Speaker 2: all step in and help. And is there a place

1274
01:11:54,080 --> 01:11:57,439
Speaker 2: that someone could donate if they wanted to or on

1275
01:11:57,520 --> 01:11:58,439
Speaker 2: shot Day's behalf.

1276
01:12:00,040 --> 01:12:03,880
Speaker 13: Yeah, definitely there's a couple you know things. Please visit

1277
01:12:03,960 --> 01:12:09,600
Speaker 13: the shad As Boys Foundation dot com a website, you know,

1278
01:12:09,720 --> 01:12:12,439
Speaker 13: on the website, we do have the donation link to

1279
01:12:12,760 --> 01:12:16,880
Speaker 13: go fundme, you know, ongoing link you know, with the

1280
01:12:17,080 --> 01:12:22,120
Speaker 13: ongoing you know support donations, they they're recycling back to,

1281
01:12:22,360 --> 01:12:26,640
Speaker 13: you know, help create other scholarships. Again that I'm implementing.

1282
01:12:26,760 --> 01:12:29,240
Speaker 13: I'm partnering us with not only her high school that

1283
01:12:29,360 --> 01:12:34,439
Speaker 13: she graduated from, Riverside University High School. Nice have. Yeah,

1284
01:12:34,479 --> 01:12:38,639
Speaker 13: they have also implemented a scholarship memorial in her name,

1285
01:12:39,520 --> 01:12:41,160
Speaker 13: and I do want to give it, you know, a

1286
01:12:41,200 --> 01:12:47,759
Speaker 13: special The community has been phenomenally supportive for college, Milwaukee

1287
01:12:47,840 --> 01:12:51,840
Speaker 13: Area Technical College. I'm looking to team up with them

1288
01:12:52,000 --> 01:12:56,080
Speaker 13: and do some whole you know, scholarships with them as well,

1289
01:12:56,160 --> 01:12:59,720
Speaker 13: and then alful individual ones to the foundation. And you

1290
01:12:59,760 --> 01:13:04,160
Speaker 13: know also, you know, with the foundation, I'm I'm setting

1291
01:13:04,280 --> 01:13:07,439
Speaker 13: up like different means of I have a you.

1292
01:13:07,360 --> 01:13:08,920
Speaker 3: Know, I'm creating.

1293
01:13:09,240 --> 01:13:11,120
Speaker 13: You got to build things up from the ground up.

1294
01:13:11,200 --> 01:13:13,720
Speaker 13: This is something I've never done before. You know, I've

1295
01:13:13,760 --> 01:13:17,200
Speaker 13: never done a nonprofit. I've never you know, known that

1296
01:13:17,240 --> 01:13:19,040
Speaker 13: I was going to walk and be the advocate for

1297
01:13:19,120 --> 01:13:21,960
Speaker 13: crime victims. I come from the mental health background, but

1298
01:13:22,600 --> 01:13:26,320
Speaker 13: you know, like this is totally different from the usual

1299
01:13:26,400 --> 01:13:29,679
Speaker 13: taste management and the advocacy that I've done in my past.

1300
01:13:29,800 --> 01:13:35,519
Speaker 13: You know, so definitely, we are implementing currently the self shot,

1301
01:13:35,520 --> 01:13:39,000
Speaker 13: a self disfense of courses that you know are a

1302
01:13:39,040 --> 01:13:41,599
Speaker 13: big part of one of the goals that I wanted

1303
01:13:41,680 --> 01:13:44,599
Speaker 13: to put down. It has to be one thing at

1304
01:13:44,640 --> 01:13:48,080
Speaker 13: a time in between all of the court trials, you know,

1305
01:13:48,160 --> 01:13:51,200
Speaker 13: I have to take one you know, layer at a time,

1306
01:13:51,320 --> 01:13:55,519
Speaker 13: because I want to make sure everything is done you know, correctly,

1307
01:13:55,840 --> 01:13:59,080
Speaker 13: and you know and her legacy and through you know,

1308
01:13:59,240 --> 01:14:01,720
Speaker 13: through her spirit, in her honor, the way she will

1309
01:14:01,760 --> 01:14:02,120
Speaker 13: want it.

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01:14:02,880 --> 01:14:09,360
Speaker 7: Absolutely, Sheena, I mean again you you are always present

1311
01:14:09,760 --> 01:14:13,519
Speaker 7: in our minds. Yeah, you are a bright light for

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01:14:13,600 --> 01:14:17,559
Speaker 7: us all and we we want to give the cases

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01:14:17,840 --> 01:14:18,559
Speaker 7: their due.

1314
01:14:18,840 --> 01:14:21,360
Speaker 3: So we are actually going to hold the.

1315
01:14:21,320 --> 01:14:23,519
Speaker 7: Missing case we were going to talk about because we

1316
01:14:23,560 --> 01:14:26,080
Speaker 7: want to do it properly. Although just to say out loud,

1317
01:14:26,160 --> 01:14:31,360
Speaker 7: it's Jeneia Walker. So we will be covering that. We

1318
01:14:31,439 --> 01:14:35,400
Speaker 7: will be covering cases, you know, in honor of Shada's

1319
01:14:35,439 --> 01:14:37,760
Speaker 7: Voice foundation, and you know, we just want to thank

1320
01:14:37,800 --> 01:14:43,200
Speaker 7: you one more time for sharing Shada's story, for your

1321
01:14:43,240 --> 01:14:44,799
Speaker 7: careerous fight for justice.

1322
01:14:45,160 --> 01:14:49,400
Speaker 2: You are a stud. You're such a stud. Honestly, we

1323
01:14:49,520 --> 01:14:53,439
Speaker 2: are made a Shena in our corner, a mama bear

1324
01:14:53,840 --> 01:14:55,000
Speaker 2: not be let down.

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01:14:55,360 --> 01:15:00,000
Speaker 8: We love you.

1326
01:15:00,080 --> 01:15:03,400
Speaker 13: I love you guys, Yes, thank you so much.

1327
01:15:03,680 --> 01:15:05,760
Speaker 3: Fight on, We are fighting with you.

1328
01:15:05,840 --> 01:15:08,799
Speaker 7: We are all fighting with you until next time, and

1329
01:15:08,800 --> 01:15:11,960
Speaker 7: then we will be keeping Shada's voice alive here on

1330
01:15:12,040 --> 01:15:15,400
Speaker 7: True Crime tonight. Stay with us, and the final thank you,

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01:15:15,600 --> 01:15:16,519
Speaker 7: Sena for your time.

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01:15:25,760 --> 01:15:28,880
Speaker 2: I cannot believe we're in our final segment. I'm staph

1333
01:15:28,960 --> 01:15:32,640
Speaker 2: here with Courtney, producer Taha House, Sam and Adam in

1334
01:15:32,760 --> 01:15:38,840
Speaker 2: the control room. Man oh Man, does Sheena Scarborough rip

1335
01:15:38,920 --> 01:15:41,920
Speaker 2: my heart out? In ways I cannot describe?

1336
01:15:42,080 --> 01:15:42,479
Speaker 8: She is?

1337
01:15:42,680 --> 01:15:48,479
Speaker 2: Shade Robinson's mother, Shadai Robinson was murdered aged nineteen, went

1338
01:15:48,520 --> 01:15:51,080
Speaker 2: on a first date with a lovely guy that she

1339
01:15:51,280 --> 01:15:56,000
Speaker 2: met and he not only murdered her, but dismembered her body.

1340
01:15:56,680 --> 01:16:02,040
Speaker 2: And the fact that Sheena goes off on and fights

1341
01:16:02,080 --> 01:16:05,120
Speaker 2: the fight with a level of resilience that maybe she

1342
01:16:05,120 --> 01:16:07,720
Speaker 2: didn't even know she had. Right, Sometimes you don't know

1343
01:16:07,760 --> 01:16:10,600
Speaker 2: the resilience until you're called to that moment. And I

1344
01:16:10,600 --> 01:16:12,559
Speaker 2: guess that's what we're talking a lot about tonight, right

1345
01:16:12,640 --> 01:16:15,840
Speaker 2: without even realizing it. It's that moment that maybe you

1346
01:16:15,840 --> 01:16:19,880
Speaker 2: don't even realize you have that hero in you until

1347
01:16:19,880 --> 01:16:23,040
Speaker 2: you're faced with that level of adversity, until you're you're

1348
01:16:23,120 --> 01:16:27,559
Speaker 2: faced with violence or a crime or survival or whatever

1349
01:16:27,560 --> 01:16:31,160
Speaker 2: the things are that we've had to discuss humanity. I

1350
01:16:31,160 --> 01:16:34,479
Speaker 2: guess that's human. Yeah, I guess you're right, Courtney. I'm strong,

1351
01:16:34,560 --> 01:16:35,400
Speaker 2: the smartest girl I.

1352
01:16:35,360 --> 01:16:40,280
Speaker 7: Know, But but yeah, just the best, like you said tonight,

1353
01:16:40,840 --> 01:16:43,080
Speaker 7: it's the best of humanity. It is the worst of

1354
01:16:43,160 --> 01:16:45,639
Speaker 7: humanity is the deep I mean it really is.

1355
01:16:45,960 --> 01:16:50,040
Speaker 2: Yes, let's focus on the best, even in the darkest combos,

1356
01:16:50,080 --> 01:16:52,000
Speaker 2: because I think that's again we talk about true crime

1357
01:16:52,000 --> 01:16:55,160
Speaker 2: and murder, but I think we're talking we always every night,

1358
01:16:55,280 --> 01:16:57,360
Speaker 2: all of us who would listen, and we're all like

1359
01:16:57,400 --> 01:17:00,479
Speaker 2: true crimers. It's something we like crime. We're not like

1360
01:17:00,640 --> 01:17:04,080
Speaker 2: causing crimes and running out and like we're like, yay crime.

1361
01:17:04,439 --> 01:17:07,280
Speaker 2: Quite the opposite, We're like, no crime, We're gonna put

1362
01:17:07,320 --> 01:17:11,320
Speaker 2: the bag guye away, We're gonna understand how that happened.

1363
01:17:11,400 --> 01:17:14,200
Speaker 2: We're going to see the little red flags in somebody

1364
01:17:14,200 --> 01:17:17,560
Speaker 2: else's tail so that we can prevent doing the exact

1365
01:17:17,560 --> 01:17:20,799
Speaker 2: same thing on our own. Right, Like it's so easy

1366
01:17:20,840 --> 01:17:24,160
Speaker 2: to walk into the fire until you hear somebody else's

1367
01:17:24,240 --> 01:17:27,160
Speaker 2: version of how they walked into the fire, and it's like,

1368
01:17:27,160 --> 01:17:28,840
Speaker 2: oh god, okay, now I understand.

1369
01:17:28,920 --> 01:17:33,840
Speaker 7: So what a productive check, what a perspective check. And

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01:17:33,920 --> 01:17:38,040
Speaker 7: I actually I have one more set of heroes that

1371
01:17:38,160 --> 01:17:40,759
Speaker 7: I do want to bring to your guys' attention.

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01:17:41,280 --> 01:17:41,600
Speaker 2: Bring it.

1373
01:17:42,160 --> 01:17:46,720
Speaker 7: And yes, we I think are all dog lovers I've

1374
01:17:46,760 --> 01:17:52,840
Speaker 7: certainly spoken about my small herd and cat lovers as well.

1375
01:17:52,960 --> 01:17:56,639
Speaker 2: This is Rita the cat. Ye yes, Rita the cat is.

1376
01:17:56,680 --> 01:18:00,840
Speaker 11: A studio favorite for legged area. So any we love

1377
01:18:00,920 --> 01:18:02,559
Speaker 11: our fur babies, we'll keep it that way.

1378
01:18:02,920 --> 01:18:04,600
Speaker 3: We love our fur babies.

1379
01:18:04,800 --> 01:18:09,880
Speaker 7: So on this anniversary of nine to eleven, many have

1380
01:18:10,120 --> 01:18:15,280
Speaker 7: likely seen these pictures of truly heroic dogs who worked.

1381
01:18:15,000 --> 01:18:17,920
Speaker 3: In the rubble. There have been documentaries about it. Listen.

1382
01:18:18,000 --> 01:18:22,280
Speaker 7: There were over three hundred search and rescue dogs really right, yes,

1383
01:18:23,200 --> 01:18:26,520
Speaker 7: and most of them were not trained for urban rescue.

1384
01:18:26,640 --> 01:18:33,120
Speaker 7: So handlers flew in services time there's the dogs, and.

1385
01:18:33,600 --> 01:18:35,240
Speaker 3: So these dogs were trained.

1386
01:18:35,240 --> 01:18:39,639
Speaker 7: It often was wilderness and avalanches. And even though they

1387
01:18:39,640 --> 01:18:43,639
Speaker 7: were in such a totally different environment. Think about that

1388
01:18:43,720 --> 01:18:47,000
Speaker 7: from I mean a dog or a human's perspective. You

1389
01:18:47,160 --> 01:18:49,839
Speaker 7: used to being out in the woods and now it's noisy,

1390
01:18:50,520 --> 01:18:56,080
Speaker 7: it's you know, it's completely different environment. And these search

1391
01:18:56,160 --> 01:18:59,720
Speaker 7: and rescue dogs they worked literally day at night, day

1392
01:18:59,760 --> 01:19:02,040
Speaker 7: and night at ground zero. They were trained to find

1393
01:19:02,040 --> 01:19:09,040
Speaker 7: survivors in disasters and also the volunteer, the loads of

1394
01:19:09,200 --> 01:19:14,720
Speaker 7: volunteer veterinarians. They went so far as to sync up

1395
01:19:14,880 --> 01:19:19,040
Speaker 7: their schedule with the schedule of handlers so that the

1396
01:19:19,120 --> 01:19:22,600
Speaker 7: dogs would not have to see different veterinarians all the

1397
01:19:22,640 --> 01:19:27,480
Speaker 7: time because they were working so hard in such horrible conditions,

1398
01:19:27,880 --> 01:19:31,920
Speaker 7: as John described to us earlier, and these dogs as well,

1399
01:19:32,120 --> 01:19:35,080
Speaker 7: in between working in the rubble, they would need to

1400
01:19:35,080 --> 01:19:35,599
Speaker 7: get care.

1401
01:19:35,720 --> 01:19:39,160
Speaker 3: They need to get all of everything washed off.

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01:19:39,000 --> 01:19:42,519
Speaker 7: Of them, because of course they too had all of

1403
01:19:42,560 --> 01:19:46,040
Speaker 7: the noxious stuff. They had to have ivs because they

1404
01:19:46,040 --> 01:19:48,720
Speaker 7: were so dehydrated, they had to have their eyes irrigated.

1405
01:19:49,120 --> 01:19:52,320
Speaker 7: And these veterinarians, all these people are volunteers, and they're

1406
01:19:52,320 --> 01:19:56,400
Speaker 7: from all over, and you know, several of them said

1407
01:19:56,560 --> 01:19:59,559
Speaker 7: once the dogs were just rehydrated, they would start telling

1408
01:19:59,560 --> 01:20:02,280
Speaker 7: their handles go back, you know, pulling on the leash,

1409
01:20:02,320 --> 01:20:06,000
Speaker 7: like we have the job. So anyway, I just want

1410
01:20:06,040 --> 01:20:10,200
Speaker 7: to absolutely make notice of them. And then one more

1411
01:20:10,280 --> 01:20:13,400
Speaker 7: thing on this which touched my heart, and I didn't

1412
01:20:13,439 --> 01:20:17,439
Speaker 7: even know my heart had this depth to understand what

1413
01:20:17,640 --> 01:20:22,240
Speaker 7: these people did. So after these dogs, they were getting

1414
01:20:22,920 --> 01:20:27,960
Speaker 7: depressed because they were not finding survivors, which was their job.

1415
01:20:28,600 --> 01:20:31,559
Speaker 7: And so as the handlers noticed this, they decided to

1416
01:20:31,680 --> 01:20:36,320
Speaker 7: help and they staged sometimes some fake rescues, so a

1417
01:20:36,400 --> 01:20:40,200
Speaker 7: firefighter or handler would hide and debris so the dog

1418
01:20:40,240 --> 01:20:42,840
Speaker 7: could find them and they acted like it was a

1419
01:20:42,880 --> 01:20:45,960
Speaker 7: real rescue. And then it gave the dogs success and

1420
01:20:46,040 --> 01:20:48,040
Speaker 7: it lived their spirits.

1421
01:20:47,560 --> 01:20:54,680
Speaker 3: Did their spirits? Yes, yes, you know what.

1422
01:20:56,240 --> 01:20:59,680
Speaker 2: So I will say this, so if you think that

1423
01:20:59,760 --> 01:21:03,200
Speaker 2: you don't have any love left in your heart, go

1424
01:21:03,240 --> 01:21:08,440
Speaker 2: get yourself an animal, a dog, a cat, Get yourself

1425
01:21:08,880 --> 01:21:12,479
Speaker 2: like the boys read of the Cat, like god Less

1426
01:21:12,520 --> 01:21:16,840
Speaker 2: read of the Cat. I'm considering a new dog. Listen,

1427
01:21:16,880 --> 01:21:19,120
Speaker 2: it's a hard one. I lost Dodger, my dog.

1428
01:21:19,600 --> 01:21:21,679
Speaker 3: Guys. You guys all know about Dodger forever.

1429
01:21:22,439 --> 01:21:26,160
Speaker 2: If he were alive when True Crime Tonight launched, he

1430
01:21:26,600 --> 01:21:29,960
Speaker 2: we lost him right before. But boy, you'd be hearing

1431
01:21:30,000 --> 01:21:30,680
Speaker 2: him the whole night.

1432
01:21:30,720 --> 01:21:30,880
Speaker 5: Right.

1433
01:21:30,920 --> 01:21:33,920
Speaker 3: He had more to say than Stephanie.

1434
01:21:34,840 --> 01:21:40,320
Speaker 2: Impossible, hard to imagine, hard to imagine unless he was

1435
01:21:40,400 --> 01:21:41,000
Speaker 2: in my lap.

1436
01:21:41,120 --> 01:21:41,320
Speaker 16: Right.

1437
01:21:41,439 --> 01:21:44,400
Speaker 2: So I harried a dog with me everywhere.

1438
01:21:44,000 --> 01:21:47,599
Speaker 3: For many, many, many, many, many many years. But that said,

1439
01:21:47,720 --> 01:21:48,920
Speaker 3: it's a it is a hole.

1440
01:21:48,960 --> 01:21:52,280
Speaker 2: That is I'm still struggling with the idea of a

1441
01:21:52,360 --> 01:21:57,519
Speaker 2: new pet because I'm not there yet, but I guess

1442
01:21:57,600 --> 01:22:00,840
Speaker 2: it's my first real like oof that as a whole

1443
01:22:01,040 --> 01:22:01,679
Speaker 2: that it's.

1444
01:22:01,520 --> 01:22:03,160
Speaker 3: A loss unimaginably.

1445
01:22:03,479 --> 01:22:06,599
Speaker 2: I mean again, I know we're talking about children and

1446
01:22:07,160 --> 01:22:13,400
Speaker 2: lost and daughters and human and right now about dogs,

1447
01:22:13,439 --> 01:22:15,200
Speaker 2: but that's it is.

1448
01:22:15,320 --> 01:22:19,080
Speaker 3: I took it real. I can imagine he was your dog.

1449
01:22:19,160 --> 01:22:20,799
Speaker 3: I mean, you were his person.

1450
01:22:20,920 --> 01:22:23,559
Speaker 7: It was I have to say, having witnessed from before

1451
01:22:23,680 --> 01:22:28,280
Speaker 7: day one before, I couldn't. I could before Stephanie got Dodger,

1452
01:22:28,680 --> 01:22:30,240
Speaker 7: I could not picture her with a dog.

1453
01:22:30,080 --> 01:22:30,559
Speaker 3: As the chief.

1454
01:22:31,200 --> 01:22:33,959
Speaker 8: Yeah, I've not seen you with a dog, so I'm having.

1455
01:22:33,840 --> 01:22:36,400
Speaker 7: Well, it's the most natural thing in the world. And

1456
01:22:37,040 --> 01:22:41,040
Speaker 7: Dodger was in every meeting we were in. Dodger was

1457
01:22:41,520 --> 01:22:44,439
Speaker 7: on every set.

1458
01:22:45,360 --> 01:22:47,840
Speaker 2: He was like, well he was like he was a

1459
01:22:47,840 --> 01:22:50,760
Speaker 2: little naughty, rest assured, and but he was like a

1460
01:22:50,800 --> 01:22:54,439
Speaker 2: combo mutt of every little loud dog.

1461
01:22:54,560 --> 01:22:59,760
Speaker 3: It's every Yeah, we just sort of disappeared in.

1462
01:22:59,680 --> 01:23:02,120
Speaker 2: My life and we were we were like, oh, look

1463
01:23:02,160 --> 01:23:04,000
Speaker 2: at this little dog.

1464
01:23:04,160 --> 01:23:04,959
Speaker 3: Is he ours?

1465
01:23:05,000 --> 01:23:05,320
Speaker 8: Okay?

1466
01:23:06,040 --> 01:23:06,880
Speaker 3: Okay?

1467
01:23:07,400 --> 01:23:09,360
Speaker 2: And then you're like, okay, so little is not gonna matter,

1468
01:23:09,520 --> 01:23:12,160
Speaker 2: Like okay, it's fine. And boy just one had a voice.

1469
01:23:13,280 --> 01:23:15,240
Speaker 2: So he just kind of had to go everywhere with me.

1470
01:23:15,320 --> 01:23:17,360
Speaker 2: But my point is not about me. But my point

1471
01:23:17,400 --> 01:23:20,920
Speaker 2: is void. And I love Dodger and boy joes a

1472
01:23:21,040 --> 01:23:23,759
Speaker 2: dog or a cat or but whatever your.

1473
01:23:23,600 --> 01:23:26,439
Speaker 3: Thing is, run, don't walk.

1474
01:23:26,760 --> 01:23:30,200
Speaker 2: And I will say people are always like, well, you

1475
01:23:30,240 --> 01:23:31,880
Speaker 2: know the costs and you gotta feed them and you

1476
01:23:31,920 --> 01:23:32,439
Speaker 2: gotta walk them.

1477
01:23:32,479 --> 01:23:33,040
Speaker 3: And it's so true.

1478
01:23:33,080 --> 01:23:35,559
Speaker 2: All of those things are accurate. But boyd is it

1479
01:23:35,640 --> 01:23:38,439
Speaker 2: like work yourself out. It just like isn't the thing

1480
01:23:38,479 --> 01:23:40,840
Speaker 2: to like stop you from doing it? It just works

1481
01:23:40,840 --> 01:23:44,800
Speaker 2: itself out because the love is so big and deep.

1482
01:23:45,640 --> 01:23:47,400
Speaker 2: That's a great story Court.

1483
01:23:47,320 --> 01:23:49,040
Speaker 3: And it's the dogs.

1484
01:23:49,040 --> 01:23:53,720
Speaker 2: They needed a win, Yes, they needed a win. And

1485
01:23:53,760 --> 01:23:58,640
Speaker 2: we never think about service dogs, noy who find cadavas,

1486
01:23:58,960 --> 01:24:02,320
Speaker 2: who need to be the ones at the front line.

1487
01:24:02,320 --> 01:24:05,160
Speaker 2: We need some more pet detectives. Dodger would have been

1488
01:24:05,160 --> 01:24:08,560
Speaker 2: a great one. Dodger was like in everybody so nosy.

1489
01:24:08,720 --> 01:24:12,240
Speaker 2: He was nosy as nosy could be. You leave your

1490
01:24:12,280 --> 01:24:14,720
Speaker 2: cell phone, Dodger will go through your contacts, you know

1491
01:24:14,760 --> 01:24:17,640
Speaker 2: what I mean, You'll read all your texts. But like,

1492
01:24:17,840 --> 01:24:19,799
Speaker 2: we need some pet detective heroes.

1493
01:24:20,520 --> 01:24:23,160
Speaker 7: Yes, if you listen, anyone out there edit eate three

1494
01:24:23,200 --> 01:24:24,160
Speaker 7: to one crime.

1495
01:24:23,920 --> 01:24:25,200
Speaker 3: True true grime.

1496
01:24:25,240 --> 01:24:31,760
Speaker 7: Tonight wants to know any pet detective story you know.

1497
01:24:34,280 --> 01:24:38,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, by the way, Sam and who has Okay, so

1498
01:24:39,040 --> 01:24:43,160
Speaker 2: Rita we know has some detective potential.

1499
01:24:43,000 --> 01:24:45,920
Speaker 12: Right, Rita surely has a detective potential.

1500
01:24:46,160 --> 01:24:48,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, well surely.

1501
01:24:48,680 --> 01:24:52,559
Speaker 8: Yeah it's good. Like, let's let's tell everyone who read it.

1502
01:24:52,520 --> 01:24:59,679
Speaker 12: Is sure sure, we'll read us my cat.

1503
01:24:59,080 --> 01:25:03,560
Speaker 2: Uh for all our super sleuths, we couldn't.

1504
01:25:03,160 --> 01:25:07,760
Speaker 3: Figure it out.

1505
01:25:05,120 --> 01:25:10,559
Speaker 8: Okay, I got it.

1506
01:25:11,240 --> 01:25:13,559
Speaker 12: But she's real sweet. Yeah she might. I don't know

1507
01:25:13,600 --> 01:25:17,200
Speaker 12: if she's quite so focused to uh, you know, focus

1508
01:25:17,200 --> 01:25:20,599
Speaker 12: herself in on one case at a time. But but

1509
01:25:20,640 --> 01:25:23,439
Speaker 12: she's smart. You know, surely she could crack some coats.

1510
01:25:23,920 --> 01:25:28,160
Speaker 3: Yes, the cats know what's up. Yeah.

1511
01:25:28,479 --> 01:25:31,799
Speaker 7: Yeah, I've accused very few of my dogs of being smart,

1512
01:25:31,880 --> 01:25:35,519
Speaker 7: but I have one right now who is like, whoa

1513
01:25:35,600 --> 01:25:37,439
Speaker 7: really smart?

1514
01:25:38,160 --> 01:25:38,639
Speaker 5: Uh?

1515
01:25:38,920 --> 01:25:42,640
Speaker 7: He's just a smart dog. Geez, Now I'm coming on

1516
01:25:42,720 --> 01:25:45,439
Speaker 7: a blank smarter dog.

1517
01:25:50,040 --> 01:25:52,599
Speaker 2: That's my that's my most that's my I guess that's

1518
01:25:52,600 --> 01:25:53,160
Speaker 2: the category.

1519
01:25:53,200 --> 01:25:53,960
Speaker 3: I'm looking for.

1520
01:25:55,840 --> 01:25:58,960
Speaker 17: A lot of emotionally, and you like the hyper ones

1521
01:26:00,120 --> 01:26:02,800
Speaker 17: like I love a Jack Russell Terrier like and people

1522
01:26:02,800 --> 01:26:04,800
Speaker 17: are like, what a mistake, But those are my favor

1523
01:26:04,840 --> 01:26:06,479
Speaker 17: They're so cute, there's so high energy.

1524
01:26:06,960 --> 01:26:10,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was Dodger. You would have loved Dodger. He

1525
01:26:11,000 --> 01:26:14,080
Speaker 2: was a party pants. But like that again, you know

1526
01:26:14,200 --> 01:26:17,000
Speaker 2: they they bring a whole energy to the table.

1527
01:26:18,040 --> 01:26:19,240
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh.

1528
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Speaker 8: But a smaller dog.

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01:26:20,240 --> 01:26:23,559
Speaker 11: I like, like, you know Doron who's been on our show,

1530
01:26:23,720 --> 01:26:25,200
Speaker 11: his dog a little too big for me?

1531
01:26:25,320 --> 01:26:25,679
Speaker 8: Like that?

1532
01:26:25,680 --> 01:26:30,559
Speaker 2: That's uh yeah, coda real big, like a size of an.

1533
01:26:30,439 --> 01:26:35,200
Speaker 3: Adult, aute puppy. He's like two adults.

1534
01:26:35,920 --> 01:26:36,599
Speaker 8: He's a big one.

1535
01:26:37,120 --> 01:26:39,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a human. But he's so cute and he's

1536
01:26:39,600 --> 01:26:42,000
Speaker 2: so good. He's like a human and he's like looks

1537
01:26:42,000 --> 01:26:44,200
Speaker 2: like he's wearing a dog Halloween costume.

1538
01:26:46,120 --> 01:26:46,680
Speaker 8: I love that.

1539
01:26:47,320 --> 01:26:49,120
Speaker 2: I'm like, that's that real. Oh, here's a talk back.

1540
01:26:49,640 --> 01:26:50,799
Speaker 2: I hope it's about dogs.

1541
01:26:51,240 --> 01:26:52,920
Speaker 8: Oh, let's hope.

1542
01:26:53,439 --> 01:26:58,479
Speaker 18: Hey, girls, I had an idea about a topic that

1543
01:26:58,680 --> 01:27:04,360
Speaker 18: you could touch on. This Daniel Riviera, who was found

1544
01:27:04,360 --> 01:27:08,840
Speaker 18: dead in his hotel room after being on tour with

1545
01:27:08,960 --> 01:27:14,840
Speaker 18: the Annabelle doll from the Conjuring movie. There's been all

1546
01:27:14,960 --> 01:27:19,720
Speaker 18: kinds of weird things happening around this doll, and I

1547
01:27:19,760 --> 01:27:22,439
Speaker 18: thought it might be fun for you to talk about it.

1548
01:27:23,040 --> 01:27:25,640
Speaker 18: I'm curious as to why he was even allowed to

1549
01:27:25,720 --> 01:27:29,080
Speaker 18: take the doll out of the place where it was

1550
01:27:29,160 --> 01:27:34,240
Speaker 18: being stored and out of the glass case. But anyway,

1551
01:27:34,600 --> 01:27:37,640
Speaker 18: I just was listening to another podcast that talked about it,

1552
01:27:37,680 --> 01:27:41,080
Speaker 18: and I thought, of you, thanks, love you bye, We

1553
01:27:41,280 --> 01:27:41,840
Speaker 18: love you too.

1554
01:27:42,080 --> 01:27:44,639
Speaker 3: Can wait. That's we were guys.

1555
01:27:44,720 --> 01:27:47,360
Speaker 2: We were just talking about the what was more scary

1556
01:27:47,479 --> 01:27:52,120
Speaker 2: clowns or the Annabel dolls or any doll that blinks right,

1557
01:27:52,280 --> 01:27:55,760
Speaker 2: like any baby doll that has like a adult hair,

1558
01:27:56,479 --> 01:27:57,639
Speaker 2: like the dolls that have.

1559
01:27:57,720 --> 01:27:58,920
Speaker 3: Like the long hair.

1560
01:28:00,400 --> 01:28:02,479
Speaker 2: But they have like real long hair in their eyes

1561
01:28:02,560 --> 01:28:05,800
Speaker 2: blink because of the animal movies have totally freaked us

1562
01:28:05,800 --> 01:28:08,760
Speaker 2: out for a good reason, right, so, I don't even

1563
01:28:08,760 --> 01:28:10,439
Speaker 2: know that I know this. We should do this for Halloween.

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01:28:10,840 --> 01:28:13,760
Speaker 7: Thank you for that voicemail. And actually it wasn't. We

1565
01:28:13,800 --> 01:28:16,440
Speaker 7: thought it was a talkback. We corrected it was a voicemail.

1566
01:28:16,520 --> 01:28:19,400
Speaker 3: Again. If you call the number day or night, you

1567
01:28:19,439 --> 01:28:21,479
Speaker 3: get the old school voicemail even message.

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01:28:21,840 --> 01:28:23,519
Speaker 8: Yeah, thank you.

1569
01:28:23,560 --> 01:28:26,759
Speaker 2: Sam and Adam are nodding excessively right now.

1570
01:28:27,040 --> 01:28:29,400
Speaker 3: Do you know this case? Do you love the movie?

1571
01:28:29,640 --> 01:28:31,799
Speaker 3: Are you excited about dogs and rita?

1572
01:28:31,880 --> 01:28:31,960
Speaker 9: Like?

1573
01:28:32,000 --> 01:28:35,200
Speaker 3: Where are we at you right now?

1574
01:28:35,680 --> 01:28:38,120
Speaker 2: Stimulated beyond No, it's great that.

1575
01:28:38,200 --> 01:28:40,479
Speaker 12: It'll be great for the Halloween week with all this.

1576
01:28:41,600 --> 01:28:44,439
Speaker 11: Every day we're gonna have something creepy and scary, and

1577
01:28:44,680 --> 01:28:46,479
Speaker 11: I'll tell you right now, I'm scared to talk about

1578
01:28:46,520 --> 01:28:49,080
Speaker 11: this doll because I'm afraid of dolls like that. Like

1579
01:28:49,120 --> 01:28:52,559
Speaker 11: I used to work for a TV personality. I will

1580
01:28:52,560 --> 01:28:54,280
Speaker 11: say their name, but they kept a lot of these

1581
01:28:54,320 --> 01:28:54,960
Speaker 11: creepy dolls.

1582
01:28:55,160 --> 01:28:58,400
Speaker 2: I worked at the same Yeah, I feel like I know, yeah, yeah.

1583
01:28:58,320 --> 01:28:59,200
Speaker 8: We know who we're talking about.

1584
01:28:59,760 --> 01:29:02,280
Speaker 11: This person kept them in glass cases, but they were

1585
01:29:02,320 --> 01:29:07,160
Speaker 11: the creepiest kind. In their office, in their house, everywhere

1586
01:29:07,160 --> 01:29:11,280
Speaker 11: in the house glass Annabel dolls. And so once I

1587
01:29:11,360 --> 01:29:13,360
Speaker 11: had to drop off for script at night and the

1588
01:29:13,439 --> 01:29:15,200
Speaker 11: lights were shining down and these creepy dolls.

1589
01:29:15,240 --> 01:29:16,920
Speaker 8: I swear they all moved their heads and looked at me.

1590
01:29:16,960 --> 01:29:23,679
Speaker 8: But to this day, the dolls all shoot shot.

1591
01:29:23,760 --> 01:29:27,200
Speaker 2: I gotta go, I gotta go. The dolls are blinking

1592
01:29:28,000 --> 01:29:30,360
Speaker 2: and their hair is flowing. I gotta go.

1593
01:29:30,439 --> 01:29:33,000
Speaker 3: They're coming out of the box shooting. I hope my

1594
01:29:33,080 --> 01:29:37,600
Speaker 3: boss doesn't see me right now. Oh well, that is

1595
01:29:37,680 --> 01:29:38,360
Speaker 3: true that there.

1596
01:29:38,280 --> 01:29:42,719
Speaker 2: Was like glass dolls that blink in like glass cases.

1597
01:29:45,160 --> 01:29:47,880
Speaker 12: Body has her libibos too, and those those kind of

1598
01:29:47,920 --> 01:29:51,200
Speaker 12: scare me. I'll say it now that she's gone tonight yeah,

1599
01:29:51,400 --> 01:29:52,080
Speaker 12: kind of scares me.

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01:29:52,240 --> 01:29:54,920
Speaker 2: Go ahead, jump in that grave, go ahead. No, she's

1601
01:29:55,120 --> 01:29:57,960
Speaker 2: just it's like it's but that's not in a glass box.

1602
01:29:57,960 --> 01:29:59,720
Speaker 2: It's like hanging from a purse, which is like a

1603
01:29:59,720 --> 01:30:01,920
Speaker 2: little bit. But they are some of the lab Boo boos.

1604
01:30:01,920 --> 01:30:04,160
Speaker 7: Do you have a little scary I'm with I am

1605
01:30:04,160 --> 01:30:07,080
Speaker 7: with Adam and Body, I love you, but your La

1606
01:30:07,120 --> 01:30:09,080
Speaker 7: Boo boos they scare me.

1607
01:30:09,720 --> 01:30:10,559
Speaker 8: They got on the go.

1608
01:30:10,880 --> 01:30:13,360
Speaker 12: If they're not, we haven't had enough time to properly

1609
01:30:13,400 --> 01:30:14,200
Speaker 12: study them yet.

1610
01:30:14,240 --> 01:30:16,240
Speaker 3: We don't know what they're capable.

1611
01:30:16,479 --> 01:30:19,800
Speaker 2: What their powers were like bodies La boo booz are

1612
01:30:19,960 --> 01:30:24,120
Speaker 2: for sure on the internet like solving, like solving crimes

1613
01:30:24,280 --> 01:30:24,880
Speaker 2: real time.

1614
01:30:25,200 --> 01:30:32,160
Speaker 16: She has a little yeah, yeah, a little boiler. They're like, yeah, yeah,

1615
01:30:32,280 --> 01:30:34,799
Speaker 16: I think that that that team of La boo boos

1616
01:30:35,040 --> 01:30:36,080
Speaker 16: is going to bring it down.

1617
01:30:37,000 --> 01:30:40,240
Speaker 3: Well, listen again, hard night, but a beautiful night to

1618
01:30:40,280 --> 01:30:41,000
Speaker 3: be with you, guys.

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01:30:41,120 --> 01:30:44,040
Speaker 2: Thank you for thank you for sharing this space and

1620
01:30:44,080 --> 01:30:46,679
Speaker 2: time with us, And listen, We're going to be gone

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01:30:46,680 --> 01:30:48,400
Speaker 2: for a few days and I know I'm speaking on

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01:30:48,479 --> 01:30:51,839
Speaker 2: behalf of Courtney and I. We will be back on Sunday.

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01:30:52,040 --> 01:30:54,320
Speaker 2: We're so hoping you will join us. Thank you for

1624
01:30:54,360 --> 01:30:58,320
Speaker 2: doing so in advance Science, Sundays, True Crime Tonight, We

1625
01:30:58,400 --> 01:30:58,640
Speaker 2: love you.

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01:30:58,720 --> 01:30:59,240
Speaker 3: Be safe.

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01:30:59,320 --> 01:31:10,519
Speaker 2: I'm going I sa