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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome back to Cool People Did Cool Stuff,

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Speaker 1: the podcast my podcast in which I declared myself the

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Speaker 1: arbiter of what counts is cool for both people and stuff.

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Speaker 1: And then I tell you what I decided. I've got

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Speaker 1: so true as I wait, that's sure? Did? Thanks? I

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Speaker 1: like when you laugh at my scripted jokes. Okay, So

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Speaker 1: I've got to such al on with me today. I've

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Speaker 1: got I've got prop who is an activist, a poet

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Speaker 1: and m C and the host of the podcast Hood Politics,

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Speaker 1: which I'm just assuming you all have listened to, because

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Speaker 1: obviously you should listen to it. How you doing, That's

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Speaker 1: a fair assumption. I'm cool. I'm as hot as hell

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Speaker 1: over here. So I got my little glass of water,

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Speaker 1: my assumption. Yeah, that's my Southern bell. Well I do declare, well,

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Speaker 1: then you're gonna get robbed in this episode, yes, as

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Speaker 1: them they sitting there with they leimonate them out, They

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Speaker 1: leiminate while Big Daddy just beats my ancestors, like, nah,

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Speaker 1: rob dad, lady. Yeah, And I've got Sophie on here

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Speaker 1: all podcasts. She invented podcasts, invented podcasting and um, no

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Speaker 1: podcast exists without my approval yep, exactly, and sports invented

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Speaker 1: the concept of sports to the concept of sports. Um

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Speaker 1: And for the record, the Joe Rogan Podcast is a

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Speaker 1: YouTube show. This is the second part in our two

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Speaker 1: part series about the Joe Rogan expect No about the

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Speaker 1: Civil War, within about the Civil Civil War war. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: the Civil Civil War war. So she probably go back

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Speaker 1: to listen to part one, or you could just listen

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Speaker 1: to this part. Who am I to tell you what

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Speaker 1: to do? It's your life. You're the person that gets

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Speaker 1: to You're the arbiter of what is cool, should tell

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Speaker 1: people should? Okay, go back and in the part one

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Speaker 1: and we'll wait here. Okay, you're back. Okay. So, the

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Speaker 1: last time, we talked about a whole bunch of different,

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Speaker 1: various ways that people across the South work to funk

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Speaker 1: up the Confederacy because the Confederacy needed getting sucked up.

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Speaker 1: But but today we're going to deep dive into one

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Speaker 1: of my favorite groups of all time. Who sucked up

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Speaker 1: at the Confederacy. They sucked up the Confederacy, they fucked

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Speaker 1: up the clan that they sucked up the rich plantation

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Speaker 1: hypocrite Reconstructions Republicans eventually, and they were indigenous lad multi

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Speaker 1: racial insurrection or bandit crew, depending on what you want

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Speaker 1: to call it. From North Carolina. Dozens of racist sheriffs

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Speaker 1: and far right militia members get murdered in this story.

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Speaker 1: There's at least five prison breaks. And that's right, I'm

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Speaker 1: talking about the one and the only lowry gang. I

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Speaker 1: very important to remember too that like the Confederate Nation

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Speaker 1: lasted four years, Yeah, like Nirvana had a longer run.

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Speaker 1: Like yeah, there's y'all, Like y y'all artists whoop low

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Speaker 1: over something that was four years long, Like Lebron got

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Speaker 1: a longer career than the Confederate Nation. You know what

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Speaker 1: I'm saying, Like, I'm just like y'all anyway, No, no, yeah, like,

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Speaker 1: And absolutely it's like yeah, and then y'all and then

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Speaker 1: And I'm gonna tell you about going to Croatan, Okay,

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Speaker 1: the lost colony of Roanoke. What you know where this

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Speaker 1: these Confederate fox that they killed earlier. So he grabs

422
00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:53,480
Speaker 1: like one of the only two white people there and

423
00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:56,560
Speaker 1: hides behind them, which I think is fucking brilliant. Um.

424
00:22:56,680 --> 00:23:00,119
Speaker 1: So the cops don't shoot him, and and then the

425
00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:04,160
Speaker 1: entire wedding party attacks the Home Guard unarmed. They're beaten back,

426
00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:07,119
Speaker 1: and eventually they do successfully arrest Henry, but they didn't

427
00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:09,880
Speaker 1: kill him, which I think is completely possible. They would

428
00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:13,320
Speaker 1: have just killed him there, you know. Yeah, he goes

429
00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:15,600
Speaker 1: to jail, he gets put on trial, and he completely

430
00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:18,920
Speaker 1: refuses to cooperate. He won't speak on his own behalf,

431
00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:21,800
Speaker 1: he won't cross examined witnesses. He's just like, no, fuck this,

432
00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:27,119
Speaker 1: fuck you yeah, all day every day. Yeah, because he

433
00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:30,200
Speaker 1: knows his family has his back, right, Um, so he's

434
00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:33,679
Speaker 1: in jail for not very long. He uses a file

435
00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:36,400
Speaker 1: to file through the bars of the jail and then

436
00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:41,120
Speaker 1: break out. And the oral yeah, the oral tradition here

437
00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:43,800
Speaker 1: is that that his wife wrote as strong baked the

438
00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:49,240
Speaker 1: file into a cake. Um. So it's like, so it's

439
00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:55,120
Speaker 1: like old school. This is a movie cartoon. Yeah, let's go. Oh,

440
00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:58,600
Speaker 1: it's gonna get so much more cartoony. I love it,

441
00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:02,040
Speaker 1: and and so I I what I what I was

442
00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:04,240
Speaker 1: reading this, I was like, is this where this comes from?

443
00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:06,119
Speaker 1: This idea of bake the fil under the cake. No,

444
00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:11,399
Speaker 1: it's older than this. Um. One time, like twenty years earlier,

445
00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:13,679
Speaker 1: Alexander Duma had used as a plot point in one

446
00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:16,760
Speaker 1: of his books. And then like fifty years later, so

447
00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:20,399
Speaker 1: Irish anti colonial forces bust someone out of jail in

448
00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:27,439
Speaker 1: Ireland by doing this, um dope, and so um I

449
00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:31,640
Speaker 1: respected so much, so damn he files this fucking way

450
00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:34,080
Speaker 1: out of the jail and he's out. And then the

451
00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:37,480
Speaker 1: Civil War comes to an end. And when when General

452
00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:39,840
Speaker 1: Sherman passes through the area, most of the Union members

453
00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:41,679
Speaker 1: who are part of the gang go and leave and

454
00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:45,840
Speaker 1: rejoin the military. But but even with the Confederacy defeated,

455
00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:49,080
Speaker 1: the u S didn't stop former Confederate officials from continuing

456
00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:51,159
Speaker 1: on in the new administration in the area, and the

457
00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:54,280
Speaker 1: KKK rises to power as an extra legal arm of

458
00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:59,240
Speaker 1: the repressive state, basically of course, and so during this time,

459
00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:01,679
Speaker 1: the poor folks in Robison County they turned to the

460
00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:05,920
Speaker 1: Lowry's for protection. And the Republicans are like, fucked right,

461
00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:09,760
Speaker 1: because they're in their base entirely loves the Lowry's right,

462
00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:12,280
Speaker 1: but their whole thing is that they're trying to be

463
00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:16,239
Speaker 1: like law and order, and so they're incredibly divided on it.

464
00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:19,879
Speaker 1: But in the end they reinstate the bounty against Henry Lowry,

465
00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:23,400
Speaker 1: which again, it all could have just fucking stopped. If

466
00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:25,480
Speaker 1: they had stopped coming after this guy, it all would

467
00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:29,760
Speaker 1: have been sucking over um. But the new Republican sheriff

468
00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:32,399
Speaker 1: and someone from the Freedman's Bureau, which is the federal

469
00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:36,040
Speaker 1: agency test with helping newly freed people. They show up

470
00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:38,080
Speaker 1: at Henry's house very politely and they have like a

471
00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:41,720
Speaker 1: pleasant meal and a chat, and Henry plays fiddle for them.

472
00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:44,640
Speaker 1: They and they convinced him. They're like, look, your best

473
00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:46,840
Speaker 1: shot is to go and stand trial and be found

474
00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:50,720
Speaker 1: innocent and put all of this behind you. So he agrees,

475
00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:53,000
Speaker 1: and he goes off to jail because he's like, all right,

476
00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:57,680
Speaker 1: new administration, let's see what's going on. But when he's

477
00:25:57,680 --> 00:25:59,879
Speaker 1: in jail, he starts hearing rumors that there's a posse

478
00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:01,760
Speaker 1: to lynch him and they're going to drown him in

479
00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:05,639
Speaker 1: the river. So he's like, you know what, your fuck this?

480
00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:08,680
Speaker 1: There isn't enough security at the jail to stop a posse,

481
00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:10,800
Speaker 1: which I think Henry must have figured means there wasn't

482
00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:14,240
Speaker 1: enough security to keep him locked in. So one day

483
00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:16,440
Speaker 1: the guard comes to the meal and Larry pulls out

484
00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:19,680
Speaker 1: a gun and a knife on him, because I guess

485
00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:21,640
Speaker 1: when he turned himself in he just brought a gun

486
00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:23,440
Speaker 1: and a knife in case he needed them in jail,

487
00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:25,520
Speaker 1: just in case. How you being able to hi? How

488
00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:27,240
Speaker 1: is his ma able to hold onto a gun in

489
00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:32,480
Speaker 1: a NiFe? Oh? Man, you lucky dog? And yeah, his

490
00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:34,680
Speaker 1: quote to the jailer that he pulls the gun on

491
00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:37,920
Speaker 1: is I'm tired of this. And then he just lets

492
00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:45,439
Speaker 1: himself out of jail. What what? And then apparently on

493
00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:47,359
Speaker 1: his way out of town, he stops at a house

494
00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:49,520
Speaker 1: and breaks in and steals crackers to eat, and then

495
00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:56,439
Speaker 1: leaves and goes into the swamps. I know, you know

496
00:26:56,480 --> 00:27:00,200
Speaker 1: what I'm done playing with y'all. Yeah, exactly. So six

497
00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:03,400
Speaker 1: weeks later, the Lowry Gang is back in business, and

498
00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:07,600
Speaker 1: there's this wealthy landowner named Reuben King. He spent decades

499
00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:10,600
Speaker 1: catching enslave people on the run, brutalizing Indigenous people and

500
00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:13,879
Speaker 1: evicting poor tenants. So the Lowry Gang shows up at

501
00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:16,600
Speaker 1: his house, kills him in his parlor and steals all

502
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:20,960
Speaker 1: his ship. And so now instead of just being instead

503
00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:23,240
Speaker 1: of at war with the Confederacy, the entire large community

504
00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:24,880
Speaker 1: they're part of is now at war with the new

505
00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:29,680
Speaker 1: Republican government in the area. So the Republicans they hire

506
00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:33,040
Speaker 1: an ex Confederate again, Captain Owen Norman, to hunt down

507
00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:36,720
Speaker 1: the Lowry's. And you know, his job during the fucking

508
00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:40,040
Speaker 1: Confederacy was that he hunted down indigenous folks for the Confederacy,

509
00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:41,719
Speaker 1: and now he's going to do it for the Republicans.

510
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:43,879
Speaker 1: The Home Guard has disbanded, but now you have the

511
00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:46,760
Speaker 1: new Police Guard, which is I think the same people

512
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:50,120
Speaker 1: doing the same thing, literally the same. Yeah, we don't

513
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:53,280
Speaker 1: let that pass. We won't let that pass by. Yeah,

514
00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:55,840
Speaker 1: So so the police guard and this led by this

515
00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:59,400
Speaker 1: guy Norman, grab eight of the gang. Two of them

516
00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:01,920
Speaker 1: do give in phone under torture, but then like later

517
00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:04,720
Speaker 1: repudiate their statements and say not as made under duress,

518
00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:08,040
Speaker 1: and but eight of their number being in jailed and

519
00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:12,200
Speaker 1: slow anything down. Uh one. One newspaper at the time,

520
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:14,080
Speaker 1: which fucking hated them and was like trying to touch

521
00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:16,679
Speaker 1: shot on them, claim that there's three fighters in the

522
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:20,320
Speaker 1: Lowry gang, which is probably an exaggeration, but there was

523
00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:22,840
Speaker 1: there was no shortage of people willing to go fucking

524
00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:25,680
Speaker 1: do this ship in the area. So a few days

525
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:29,720
Speaker 1: before the trial, this asshole captain Owen Normant the he

526
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:33,040
Speaker 1: hears a noise at his door because at his fucking plantation,

527
00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:35,359
Speaker 1: because of course he lives on a fucking plantation, of course,

528
00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:38,880
Speaker 1: and so he goes outside because he hears a noise,

529
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:42,160
Speaker 1: and he somehow finds himself an extra bullet in him

530
00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:45,280
Speaker 1: and his his family runs off to get a doctor

531
00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:47,520
Speaker 1: who rushes over in a buggy with a mule pulling it,

532
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:50,280
Speaker 1: and then the poor mule is about a mile away

533
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:53,000
Speaker 1: from the plantation when the mule also develops a case

534
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:57,880
Speaker 1: of too many bullets and dies, which is as far

535
00:28:57,920 --> 00:28:59,680
Speaker 1: as I can tell, it is the only innocent victim.

536
00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:04,840
Speaker 1: The Lowry's get anywhere um or collateral damage, but out callous.

537
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:06,560
Speaker 1: You're feeling, you know, like whether you're not you shoot

538
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:11,520
Speaker 1: the mule. I know, the doctor goes on on foot

539
00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:14,239
Speaker 1: and it's too late to save Norman. Norman dies, and

540
00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:16,560
Speaker 1: then this is gonna shock you. It turns out that

541
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:20,360
Speaker 1: killing Norman didn't help the case of the people who

542
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:27,120
Speaker 1: were on trial. Um, you think, right, but no, yeah,

543
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:34,200
Speaker 1: it didn't help. So two of them get tried for

544
00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:36,360
Speaker 1: one of the sheriff killings and their sentenced to hang.

545
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:42,080
Speaker 1: But meanwhile, wrote a strong r jail brick extraordinaire wife

546
00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:46,320
Speaker 1: smuggles an auger into one of the three to three

547
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:48,560
Speaker 1: of the guys, and which is basically a it's a

548
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:51,200
Speaker 1: drill bit with a handle on it. That's I was

549
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:55,280
Speaker 1: gonna ask, so just you know, I know what it is,

550
00:29:55,320 --> 00:30:01,120
Speaker 1: but remind me scifically and in detail, what's an augury.

551
00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:06,200
Speaker 1: I don't know what it is? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I

552
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:08,000
Speaker 1: mean I put it in the script. I was like,

553
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:09,720
Speaker 1: I describe it to right, because I hear an auger

554
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:11,240
Speaker 1: in an article and I'm like, what does that mean?

555
00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:14,120
Speaker 1: The nineteenth century? Right, Like like now it's a big

556
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:16,560
Speaker 1: gas power machine that I used to put in fence posts.

557
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:21,560
Speaker 1: Um oh, they're like, no, that's a jackhammer, that's a

558
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:24,880
Speaker 1: that's for concrete thing. No, no, no, no, I spend

559
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:26,360
Speaker 1: way too much my time think about power tools. I

560
00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:30,000
Speaker 1: live on a fucking such a stay house in the woods. Um. Yeah.

561
00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:32,960
Speaker 1: So but in augur in this case, it's like it's

562
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:35,640
Speaker 1: a before you have a fucking power drill, you use

563
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:39,280
Speaker 1: a hand drill. Right, So they they steal in a

564
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:42,280
Speaker 1: they smuggle in a hand drill, and then they somehow

565
00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:44,800
Speaker 1: in this part I don't fucking get, they drill a

566
00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:47,520
Speaker 1: hole in the wall of their cell and escape, Like

567
00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:51,760
Speaker 1: I don't know what they used to make jails out of. Um,

568
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:56,880
Speaker 1: And I'm like, wait, and I got no guards? You know?

569
00:30:57,080 --> 00:31:02,160
Speaker 1: Nobody hear that? Yeah? Yeah, Like we're where y'all? Like what, okay,

570
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:05,200
Speaker 1: what tell me about y'all prison system? And the thing

571
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:08,280
Speaker 1: is like it's not like like I'm here for it all,

572
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:13,840
Speaker 1: but I'm like, I mean, y'all ain't here. Y'all ain't

573
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:16,760
Speaker 1: here the olger, Yeah, y'all ain't see that y'all ain't

574
00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:18,520
Speaker 1: see the fire, y'all ain't here. The man filing and

575
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:21,880
Speaker 1: you ain't walk by the jail cell and go hey man,

576
00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:29,040
Speaker 1: why are you what are you rubbing rigorously on the bars.

577
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:31,160
Speaker 1: And then the man that was like you know what, man?

578
00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:33,400
Speaker 1: And then he was like, you know what, man, this

579
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:37,800
Speaker 1: I'm leaving. I was gonna get better that like y'all like,

580
00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:41,680
Speaker 1: who are you hiring y'all? This must be like look, look,

581
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:45,040
Speaker 1: look they hiring teenagers. You know what I'm saying that

582
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:48,120
Speaker 1: like just won't like a minimum ways job. And it's

583
00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:49,720
Speaker 1: like I don't given you know what I'm saying this

584
00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:52,320
Speaker 1: work at the mall. They hired people to work at

585
00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:54,600
Speaker 1: gap that are like, yeah, steal the sweats. I don't care.

586
00:31:54,840 --> 00:32:00,160
Speaker 1: Ain't ain't my sweats. Yeah, that's what's happening here at

587
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:04,800
Speaker 1: me enough freaking mall cops like you steal whatever person

588
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:08,880
Speaker 1: you want. I don't care. So so after these, after

589
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:11,800
Speaker 1: some of them break out, they take the rest of

590
00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:16,480
Speaker 1: them and they put him in a brick jail. You know, guy,

591
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:21,920
Speaker 1: I got some notes from last time. Uh we should

592
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:25,880
Speaker 1: go with brick because Homie just drilled a hole through

593
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:29,280
Speaker 1: the wall last time, so we should probably just do you,

594
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:32,800
Speaker 1: all right, guys, all in favor of bricks, and maybe

595
00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 1: we shouldn't hire your fucking nephew, Joe saying to watch them,

596
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:40,560
Speaker 1: because that fool must have been drunk as hell or

597
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:44,320
Speaker 1: just don't care. And you know what, it was harder

598
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:45,840
Speaker 1: for them to break out of the brick prison, but

599
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:52,000
Speaker 1: they did it really quickly. Anyway, let's go. So this time,

600
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:56,040
Speaker 1: because this is a cartoon, Rhoda goes in and seduces

601
00:32:56,120 --> 00:33:02,040
Speaker 1: the guards. I fucking kid, you not ever sing? Yeah,

602
00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:09,880
Speaker 1: this is who framed ar Rabbit. Yeah yeah, and say hey,

603
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:13,320
Speaker 1: a big strong man. So she goes in and does

604
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:16,600
Speaker 1: this while and while she's doing that, someone else goes

605
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:20,040
Speaker 1: to the window and smuggles them a a hatchet, a file,

606
00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:26,120
Speaker 1: and a chisel, which they then use to turn a

607
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:31,400
Speaker 1: spoon into a block pick. How much time you got?

608
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:35,680
Speaker 1: How what time you got? How fine is this girl?

609
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:41,240
Speaker 1: How much time you got to do that? Okay? Yeah?

610
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:43,800
Speaker 1: So then they now they can come and go from

611
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:45,800
Speaker 1: their cell whenever they want because they got a lock pick.

612
00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:48,040
Speaker 1: So they take their time, I assume at night, but

613
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:50,400
Speaker 1: I don't know. They take their time. They find an

614
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:54,280
Speaker 1: outside wall and they slowly chisel through the outside wall.

615
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:58,640
Speaker 1: Oh my god, um, this is hilarious, whereupon they climb

616
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:05,080
Speaker 1: out on rope made out of blankets. It's okay, you're Margaret,

617
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:08,400
Speaker 1: you're making this up. That's I checked more than one

618
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:10,560
Speaker 1: history book about as much of this ship as I could,

619
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:17,920
Speaker 1: because I'm just were like, okay, did you some of

620
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:20,239
Speaker 1: this might have gone into folklore. I'm reading this in

621
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:23,680
Speaker 1: history books. But these people are sucking. They are absolutely

622
00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:29,720
Speaker 1: mythologized like Robin Hood of course, but still yeah, except

623
00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:32,879
Speaker 1: one guy doesn't break out. He's in a different cell

624
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:35,560
Speaker 1: and he's like, you know what, I have a solid alibi,

625
00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:39,160
Speaker 1: which is true. So his employer vouched for his whereabouts

626
00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:41,480
Speaker 1: and he was found innocent and then he like never

627
00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:44,239
Speaker 1: joins the gang again and just fox off and it's

628
00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:48,879
Speaker 1: like lives a quiet life. But but so the gang

629
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:51,279
Speaker 1: keeps up their raids during all this ship, even when

630
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:55,840
Speaker 1: people are in jail. Oh I love this. So I

631
00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:58,360
Speaker 1: got an alibi. Ya, y'all do whatever y'all gotta do.

632
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:01,879
Speaker 1: I'm cool, Yeah, love it. I feel like that would

633
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:03,480
Speaker 1: be me and all this, you know, I'm just like,

634
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:07,560
Speaker 1: well that was fun, but I almost got hanged and

635
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:10,520
Speaker 1: I'm good. I'm good. I got stories to tell my grandchildren.

636
00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:12,440
Speaker 1: I'm good. I did all right. I'll just you know,

637
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:14,279
Speaker 1: I'll just do to y'all. Y'all, y'all go ahead, just

638
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:19,279
Speaker 1: bring me back some burrito's. Yeah, um, okay. So then

639
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:22,960
Speaker 1: they hire an undercover cop. They hire this guy named

640
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:26,960
Speaker 1: John Saunders, a detective out of Boston who showed up

641
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:29,680
Speaker 1: and pretended to be a Republican from the North white dude.

642
00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:32,400
Speaker 1: And he starts hanging out in Scuffle Town and eventually

643
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:35,080
Speaker 1: makes acquaintances with the Lowrys and basically he's like, hey,

644
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:37,600
Speaker 1: you all, I can smuggle you out to safety because

645
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:39,200
Speaker 1: they're in all of this. The Lowries are looking for

646
00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:42,799
Speaker 1: they're out right, they're constantly like, how the fund do

647
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:45,920
Speaker 1: we get out of this alive? Right? Um? And fellow youths.

648
00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:50,719
Speaker 1: And so he's like, hey, just follow me west to safety.

649
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:53,520
Speaker 1: But they don't quite trust him, so they keep an

650
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:57,080
Speaker 1: eye on him, and then they catch him, you know,

651
00:35:57,239 --> 00:36:01,600
Speaker 1: reporting back to his fucking other officers or whatever. Yeah,

652
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:04,680
Speaker 1: they catch him being a snitchey as you guys want

653
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:09,160
Speaker 1: some drugs, follow me around this corner? Yeah, you guys

654
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:13,239
Speaker 1: into drugs? Uh, you guys like smoking the smoking on

655
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:16,640
Speaker 1: the weed. Huh, come over here, I got him. I'm

656
00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:20,920
Speaker 1: a fellow kid, yeah, bandit, Hey look at me. I'm

657
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:26,719
Speaker 1: a bandit from the north, breaking out of stuff. I

658
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:34,000
Speaker 1: like vandalism, spray painting some ship behind the seven stupid

659
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:37,520
Speaker 1: spray patty. Hey, guys, I got some spray paint. Yeah totally.

660
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:44,080
Speaker 1: So they of course, and and they so they catch

661
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:45,880
Speaker 1: him and they're like not really into the cold blood

662
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:48,680
Speaker 1: and murder thing, but this guy knows too much. And

663
00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:51,200
Speaker 1: so here's where they put it to a vote, and

664
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:54,200
Speaker 1: they vote to kill him. Okay, they let him write

665
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:56,440
Speaker 1: a letter to his wife. They send a photograph of

666
00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 1: him and let his last letter up to his wife,

667
00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:02,239
Speaker 1: and then they, uh, I think they shoot him. Um,

668
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:04,440
Speaker 1: maybe they hang him, like I don't know. And at

669
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:07,719
Speaker 1: this point they're kind of just winning. Like it's eight seventy.

670
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:10,560
Speaker 1: All the county's best law enforcement are fucking dead, the

671
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:13,319
Speaker 1: police buy is dead, and all of the lowries who

672
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:16,720
Speaker 1: have been captured have escaped. So they call in federal troops.

673
00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:22,600
Speaker 1: At this point, the whole fucking army comes in federal truths,

674
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:28,000
Speaker 1: and so militia's also start combing the swamps for the outlaws.

675
00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:31,120
Speaker 1: And then again, because this is the most cartoon thing

676
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:34,600
Speaker 1: I've ever fucking relayed, the story of when the militias

677
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:36,440
Speaker 1: out hunting for them in the swamps, some of the

678
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:39,840
Speaker 1: Lowry's put on militia uniforms and joined the hunt for themselves.

679
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:44,480
Speaker 1: Now now it's bugs. Now it's looney tunes. Yeah it's bugs. Money, yeah,

680
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:48,440
Speaker 1: like yes. And what they what they found in the

681
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 1: swamps instead was potatoes, the finest potatoes that money can buy,

682
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:57,680
Speaker 1: much like the potatoes that we advertise on this show,

683
00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:03,319
Speaker 1: swamp potatoes. Yeah, like it. Um, this is a break

684
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:10,239
Speaker 1: to some ads, and now here are some ads, all right,

685
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:13,320
Speaker 1: and we're back, and we're talking about swamp fries apparently

686
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:19,640
Speaker 1: Gator Todds, and so the militias in the area looking

687
00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:21,000
Speaker 1: for them, as well as the federal troops. And the

688
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:23,319
Speaker 1: militia is just fucking made up of KKK as far

689
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:26,319
Speaker 1: as I can tell. And they, you'll be shocked to know,

690
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:28,160
Speaker 1: gave up on the whole rule of law thing, and

691
00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:31,680
Speaker 1: so they just started going to the Yeah, they go

692
00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:33,880
Speaker 1: to the Lowry residents and they try to capture and

693
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:36,200
Speaker 1: murder murder them, and they kill at least one of

694
00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:41,000
Speaker 1: them this way. Um. However, the KKK leader responsible, John Taylor,

695
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:44,759
Speaker 1: also developed a case of too many bullets and dies.

696
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:48,400
Speaker 1: But then, so then the militia is like, all right,

697
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:52,480
Speaker 1: we're going after your supporters, and so they murder the

698
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:55,279
Speaker 1: black man who was supporting them, and two of the

699
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:57,360
Speaker 1: white men responsible for killing that black men were then

700
00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:01,080
Speaker 1: immediately killed by the lowry's mm hmm. And then the

701
00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:03,680
Speaker 1: Conservatives come to power. The Republicans, they kind of lost

702
00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:05,760
Speaker 1: all their wealthy support because they didn't catch the lowries,

703
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:07,600
Speaker 1: and then they lost all their working class support because

704
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:09,560
Speaker 1: they were going after the lowries in the first place.

705
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:13,360
Speaker 1: And the KKK is riding around fucking intimidating voters and

706
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:19,520
Speaker 1: being things that's ever happened. Yeah. Um, they had their moment, Yeah,

707
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:22,200
Speaker 1: their moment of shining, and it's like, we should probably

708
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:28,160
Speaker 1: end shadow slavery. They just haven't clocked the w since yeah, exactly.

709
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:32,759
Speaker 1: So the Conservatives put a bounty of twelve dollars on

710
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:35,240
Speaker 1: the heads of each of the lowries. So the lowries

711
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:39,200
Speaker 1: then put bounties back on the county commissioner and a

712
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:40,960
Speaker 1: bunch of the other folks working. They don't have as

713
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:44,040
Speaker 1: much money, so the because they only offer a thousand

714
00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:46,040
Speaker 1: dollars the county commissioner two hundred for a bunch of

715
00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:50,520
Speaker 1: the people working for him. Um. But then racists from

716
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:53,239
Speaker 1: all around come to Robison County and they're looking for

717
00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:57,200
Speaker 1: the bounty money. Right. One Lowry gang member named apple

718
00:39:57,200 --> 00:39:59,560
Speaker 1: White is ambush near his house. He's shot in the

719
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:02,120
Speaker 1: back and and in the mouth. But then the posse

720
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:04,240
Speaker 1: that shoots him is afraid that he has friends around,

721
00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:06,160
Speaker 1: so they take off running and they plan to come

722
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:08,520
Speaker 1: back later for the body. When they come back, apple

723
00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:12,400
Speaker 1: White is he's gone, and so they harassed his wife.

724
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:15,399
Speaker 1: They arrest his brother for no good reason. A few

725
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:18,279
Speaker 1: days later, another posse finds Henry Lowry's cabin in the

726
00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:20,560
Speaker 1: swamps and they creep up on it and there's apple

727
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:23,320
Speaker 1: White and he he had crawled away, spit the bullet

728
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:25,040
Speaker 1: out of his mouth and was resting in the sun

729
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:36,840
Speaker 1: at the Lowry's house. What really is a movie? I know? One? Yeah? Um,

730
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:44,160
Speaker 1: well racism mostly Oh yeah yeah. Uh. My man caught

731
00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:47,520
Speaker 1: the bullet with his two front teeth. Okay, spits out

732
00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:51,719
Speaker 1: the bullet, keeps going, Hey, seriously, if you shoot at

733
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:57,399
Speaker 1: somebody and they spit the bullet out, the fight's over done.

734
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:04,640
Speaker 1: Lead that person today own devices. Oh my god, one time,

735
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 1: one day, I'm gonna tell the story of al Fuseelato

736
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:09,399
Speaker 1: in the Mexican in the Mexican Revolution, this guy gets

737
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:12,000
Speaker 1: put in front of a firing squad and shot with

738
00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:14,160
Speaker 1: like thirteen bullets or whatever, and he doesn't die. So

739
00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:16,120
Speaker 1: the officer comes up, puts a gun to his head

740
00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:18,719
Speaker 1: and shoots him in the head, and he doesn't die.

741
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:21,640
Speaker 1: And so then they're like, you know what, you can

742
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:26,880
Speaker 1: go like we shot you in the fucking head and

743
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:30,080
Speaker 1: twelve times in the body. I don't know what to

744
00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:33,800
Speaker 1: say anymore. Guys. Look, listen, let me take you some

745
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:37,040
Speaker 1: which your little politics I talk all the time about, Like, listen,

746
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:39,000
Speaker 1: if you if you you know, is is a room

747
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:42,800
Speaker 1: about to get jumped, you know which, Hopefully this doesn't

748
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:45,759
Speaker 1: happen to anybody. And one, we're full grown adults now,

749
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:49,319
Speaker 1: so this is stupid. But if you were, it's like,

750
00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:55,040
Speaker 1: you have to like lose your mind on the toughest

751
00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:57,440
Speaker 1: of them. Wherever toughest is what the loudest is in

752
00:41:57,440 --> 00:42:00,319
Speaker 1: that group, you gotta lose your mind on them so

753
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:04,480
Speaker 1: that everybody else thinks twice, right, Yeah, you know what

754
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:06,400
Speaker 1: I'm saying. So that like and that gives you that

755
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:09,160
Speaker 1: split second because they're like, oh, dang, he just punched.

756
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:14,360
Speaker 1: She just punched the baddest of all of us. Okay,

757
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:16,680
Speaker 1: we should probably like, yo, let's think twice about this.

758
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:19,000
Speaker 1: So and it's the same as the other way around.

759
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:22,080
Speaker 1: If somebody bought a fist up, caught their arm back,

760
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:26,000
Speaker 1: and fire on you and you just take it, then

761
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:30,040
Speaker 1: it's times you didn't. Yeah, yeah, like that food that

762
00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:33,880
Speaker 1: your jaws steal, So leave his person. Although that's what

763
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:35,880
Speaker 1: I used to do. That was like when I was

764
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:38,480
Speaker 1: more of a street kid. Someone who's drunk and looking

765
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:41,800
Speaker 1: for a fight punches you, and it sounds kind of counterintuitive.

766
00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:43,799
Speaker 1: It's not like someone punches and you're like, oh no,

767
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:45,560
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry, I wish you hadn't punched me. But

768
00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:48,239
Speaker 1: said someone punches and you just stare at them. Yeah,

769
00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:50,799
Speaker 1: Like then they go find someone else to fight. Now,

770
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:54,359
Speaker 1: if someone's trying to fuck you up, that don't work, right.

771
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:56,799
Speaker 1: But like, if someone's looking for a fight and they

772
00:42:56,800 --> 00:43:01,160
Speaker 1: punch you and you just stare them down, they usually off, yeah,

773
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:04,520
Speaker 1: because they're just like, uh, that just gave you everything

774
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:07,880
Speaker 1: I had. That was it? Yea, yeah, yeah, you just

775
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:10,799
Speaker 1: you just take it just like. Yeah, it's a hard

776
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:13,400
Speaker 1: it's a hard math to figure out though, right, it

777
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:17,160
Speaker 1: really is. It really is unless you're a fighter. Like

778
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:20,400
Speaker 1: if you're a fighter and somebody took your best punch

779
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:25,360
Speaker 1: and just drank it, then you're like, oh, yeah, that's it.

780
00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:27,359
Speaker 1: Let me go ahead, because I don't know what your swing.

781
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:30,280
Speaker 1: Don't feel like anyway. So yeah, a man that takes

782
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:34,000
Speaker 1: a firing squad and a point blank it just looks

783
00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:39,840
Speaker 1: at you like, y'all, y'all good, like we were done here? Yeah?

784
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:42,840
Speaker 1: Are we done? All right? I'm out? Yeah, And he

785
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:44,520
Speaker 1: just lives the rest of his life. I can't remember

786
00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:46,120
Speaker 1: what work he got up to. It's been a while

787
00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:49,560
Speaker 1: since I read a story, but all right, So they

788
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:53,080
Speaker 1: show up at Henry Lowry's cabin. There's fucking bullet spitter

789
00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:55,640
Speaker 1: apple white, and they get into a gunfight. And then

790
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:58,040
Speaker 1: the gun fight goes on for a while, like from

791
00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:00,000
Speaker 1: inside the cabin and outside the cabin, and then i'll

792
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:02,440
Speaker 1: shooting stops. So they run up on the cabin and

793
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:04,279
Speaker 1: they break in and there's a hidden hatch in the

794
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:07,200
Speaker 1: basement of a cabin that leads to a tunnel pick

795
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:11,839
Speaker 1: of the fucking swamps, and they've gotten fuck out, which

796
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:13,680
Speaker 1: is an important thing. If you're gonna be a bandit gang,

797
00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:15,680
Speaker 1: you need a fucking tunnel under your house. You need

798
00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:18,920
Speaker 1: a tunnel. Do come home, man, Yeah, that's a no brainer,

799
00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:21,759
Speaker 1: and you would him. Swamps don't nobody know where you. Like,

800
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:24,640
Speaker 1: you can navigate swamps, you can't map swamps. You have

801
00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:26,800
Speaker 1: to just be. You have to just be from there. Yeah,

802
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:29,440
Speaker 1: which is I mean, I didn't even get into the

803
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:32,080
Speaker 1: Maroons during the last episode one day or the whole

804
00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:34,920
Speaker 1: thing about them. But yeah, people, if you know the swamps,

805
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:38,760
Speaker 1: you can fuck do a lot of ship. Yeah. So okay,

806
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:40,920
Speaker 1: so they get away, right, but at this point two

807
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:42,680
Speaker 1: of their people are in jail, one member of their

808
00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:46,960
Speaker 1: gang and then one of their supporters that the brother, right,

809
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:50,160
Speaker 1: and they're like, well, this isn't gonna do. So a

810
00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:52,640
Speaker 1: whole bunch of them show up armed at the jail

811
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:54,799
Speaker 1: and they just hold up the jail at gunpoint and

812
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:59,680
Speaker 1: they're like, hey, let our friends go, and they do yes,

813
00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:03,600
Speaker 1: because it's fifteen year olds that are going yeah, and

814
00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:06,080
Speaker 1: fifteen year olds with guns on the outside too to

815
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:08,160
Speaker 1: be really you know, oh, yeah, I forgot they only

816
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:13,080
Speaker 1: I forgot everything happens. You've already ran for president at nine. Yeah,

817
00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:20,040
Speaker 1: Lincoln was actually fourteen. He just looks real, sport the

818
00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:22,839
Speaker 1: haggard fourteen. He's just it was just a really hard

819
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:26,439
Speaker 1: life out there, man, But he's real. He's really really fourteen. Yeah. Yeah.

820
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:30,680
Speaker 1: So basically the entire community is ungovernable at this point, right,

821
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:34,560
Speaker 1: and taxes weren't able to be collected in the area.

822
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:38,280
Speaker 1: No warrants were being served in the area. Uh. Black

823
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:40,960
Speaker 1: train hands were sending warnings down the line whenever troops

824
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:45,200
Speaker 1: were approaching by rail. And so the Conservative government by

825
00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:47,440
Speaker 1: eighteen seventy one, they give up trying to target the

826
00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:50,360
Speaker 1: gang and they just start terrorizing the entire community and

827
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:54,000
Speaker 1: they start arresting. Yeah, and they started arresting Lumbi women

828
00:45:54,040 --> 00:45:57,880
Speaker 1: in their homes and they basically are like, well, you know,

829
00:45:57,920 --> 00:46:01,800
Speaker 1: these people are involved two or whatever. So and during

830
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:03,960
Speaker 1: all of this, again this is a story I read

831
00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:07,080
Speaker 1: from one or two historians, but again it's CARTOONI as ship,

832
00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:11,120
Speaker 1: but this is the story. During all this, some soldiers

833
00:46:11,239 --> 00:46:13,560
Speaker 1: stumble upon Henry and he's like rowing down the river,

834
00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:16,440
Speaker 1: so they opened fire on him, so he dives into

835
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:18,839
Speaker 1: the water. He overturns his boat is cover, and then

836
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:21,120
Speaker 1: instead of running away, he advances on them and then

837
00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:23,200
Speaker 1: picks them off one by one until they all funk

838
00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:26,680
Speaker 1: off and run. And now it's now it's Rambo. Okay,

839
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:31,040
Speaker 1: now it's Rambo. Now he's Jean Claude Vand now this

840
00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:35,680
Speaker 1: is the Steven Seagal movie. Yeah, okay, um, and I

841
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:38,200
Speaker 1: believe it. Yeah, I mean I know right like it's

842
00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:43,360
Speaker 1: it's it's sucking because the tropes come from somewhere. Yeah, yeah,

843
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:48,359
Speaker 1: because tropes come from somewhere. So you like, okay, that's incredible. Yeah.

844
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:52,120
Speaker 1: And so then they send the sheriff a letter and

845
00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:54,880
Speaker 1: they say, we make a request that our wives, who

846
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:56,960
Speaker 1: are arrested a few days ago and placed in jail,

847
00:46:57,040 --> 00:46:59,680
Speaker 1: be released to come home to their families by Monday morning,

848
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:02,279
Speaker 1: and if not, the bloodiest times will be here that

849
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:05,040
Speaker 1: ever was before, the life of every man will be

850
00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:11,879
Speaker 1: in jeopardy. That is the most polite. Oh, Mike, I

851
00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:16,680
Speaker 1: love how polite these people were back then, Like now

852
00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:19,120
Speaker 1: prop prop did they release them or did they not

853
00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:24,920
Speaker 1: release them? Over? Of course they released it. Of course

854
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:29,120
Speaker 1: they did. Somebody somebody that somebody that dangerous. That calm.

855
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:32,560
Speaker 1: That's another thing. Somebody that that's dangerous, and that calm.

856
00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:36,160
Speaker 1: You know, Okay, you know something I don't because you're

857
00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:39,560
Speaker 1: posted to come up in here and being like, listen, listen,

858
00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:44,279
Speaker 1: I don't see my ladies by tonight. I'm murdering. I'm

859
00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:51,000
Speaker 1: gonna kill your fucking parakeets too. Everybody dying. Everybody, everyone's dying.

860
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:54,200
Speaker 1: I'm taking a train. I'm taking a train of Tennessee

861
00:47:54,239 --> 00:47:58,120
Speaker 1: and I'm finding your grandma. I'm murdering. Where your mama stayed,

862
00:47:58,120 --> 00:48:02,680
Speaker 1: Where your grandmama stayed, where your ah boys, day, everybody dying. Yeah,

863
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:04,960
Speaker 1: that's how you posted talking. He's like, you know, this

864
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:08,759
Speaker 1: is gonna be a really hard day for everybody. I'm

865
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:12,160
Speaker 1: just I'm just saying, all the men are in danger.

866
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:16,480
Speaker 1: If you don't give us Saturday, it's back. Yeah, okay, um,

867
00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:20,319
Speaker 1: And so it works, and of course it is. But

868
00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:24,000
Speaker 1: they can't actually as as fucking hard as they are

869
00:48:24,120 --> 00:48:25,920
Speaker 1: and as much as they rule, they can't actually get

870
00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:28,319
Speaker 1: up keep up their antics with federal troops everywhere, right,

871
00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:30,200
Speaker 1: Like they're not doing a lot of robbery at this point.

872
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:33,600
Speaker 1: But they do apparently get up some good shenanigans. And again, okay,

873
00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:36,839
Speaker 1: this is reported by the Williams Williamson's Star at the time,

874
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:40,839
Speaker 1: a newspaper at the time. An officer received a note

875
00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:45,200
Speaker 1: from Lowry if that's said, and I'm paraphrasing here, Um, hey,

876
00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:47,560
Speaker 1: just to make sure y'all were doing okay, I took

877
00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:49,920
Speaker 1: it upon myself to come into your your camp and

878
00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:54,040
Speaker 1: inspect your guns. And so then they they searched their

879
00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:58,520
Speaker 1: guns and Henry Lowry is signed his name on one

880
00:48:58,520 --> 00:49:04,040
Speaker 1: of the fucking guns. And again, I don't know what

881
00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:05,520
Speaker 1: the fund is truth or myth here, but this is

882
00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:07,279
Speaker 1: what's being reported at the time, this is what's being

883
00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:10,720
Speaker 1: reported in the history books. I'm just yeah, these people

884
00:49:10,719 --> 00:49:14,719
Speaker 1: fucking rule. Even if it's a myth, it's so great. Yeah,

885
00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:17,960
Speaker 1: this is great. This is great mythology, even if it

886
00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:22,480
Speaker 1: is myth and wonderful at least some huge chunk of it.

887
00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:26,160
Speaker 1: I mean again, I don't know, you know, yeah, um okay.

888
00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:29,040
Speaker 1: And so both both sides actually want this to end

889
00:49:29,080 --> 00:49:32,000
Speaker 1: at this point, and so there's this brief truce, um,

890
00:49:32,040 --> 00:49:33,960
Speaker 1: and then some of the like wiser heads in the

891
00:49:33,960 --> 00:49:35,600
Speaker 1: government are like, hey, why don't we just give them

892
00:49:35,640 --> 00:49:38,840
Speaker 1: all pardons and then this could all fucking go away.

893
00:49:39,120 --> 00:49:41,600
Speaker 1: But the law and order crowd is like, hell no,

894
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:48,000
Speaker 1: and so the truce disappears. So the Lowry's rob a

895
00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:50,399
Speaker 1: thousand dollars from a merchant in town, and then they

896
00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:53,120
Speaker 1: steal the iron safe out of the sheriff's office with

897
00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:59,200
Speaker 1: twenty dollars inside. Another cartoon moment, and then Henry Lowry

898
00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:04,960
Speaker 1: just fucking disappears. Gone yeah in the win. Bounty hunters

899
00:50:05,040 --> 00:50:07,000
Speaker 1: combed the area for the next two years. They kill

900
00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:08,839
Speaker 1: at least three of the gang during all of us.

901
00:50:09,239 --> 00:50:12,600
Speaker 1: One of them, this uh, one of the Scots Irish members,

902
00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:16,080
Speaker 1: Zachariah McLaughlin. He he got to drinking with some other

903
00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:17,600
Speaker 1: white guy and he told him like, hey, you should

904
00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:19,680
Speaker 1: join this gang. And then the white guy waited for

905
00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:21,640
Speaker 1: Zack to fall asleep, shot him in the head with

906
00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:24,120
Speaker 1: his own pistol and turned his body in for the

907
00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:27,640
Speaker 1: bounty um. And then that dude got the funk out

908
00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:30,719
Speaker 1: of Robinson County. Yes, I was gonna say, like, you're

909
00:50:30,719 --> 00:50:33,239
Speaker 1: gonna turn You're gonna turn in somebody that's like a

910
00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:36,320
Speaker 1: gangster like that dude, But the money you better disappear.

911
00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:39,840
Speaker 1: You better get to Canada real soon because get your money,

912
00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:41,600
Speaker 1: get up out of here, which I kind of feel like,

913
00:50:41,640 --> 00:50:46,080
Speaker 1: asked what Lowry did? Yeah, man, he in France, Homie,

914
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:49,960
Speaker 1: He's yeah, he's fucking He's gone. And then to to

915
00:50:50,080 --> 00:50:53,279
Speaker 1: quote the historians I was quoting earlier, Neil Shirley and

916
00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:56,799
Speaker 1: sarahle Stafford have a book called Dixiebe Damned about rebellions

917
00:50:56,840 --> 00:50:59,880
Speaker 1: in the South Um and they sum up the theories

918
00:50:59,880 --> 00:51:02,520
Speaker 1: of this quote or this is a quote of I'm

919
00:51:02,560 --> 00:51:05,600
Speaker 1: summing up the theories. A variety of folk tales, legends,

920
00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:08,680
Speaker 1: and hypotheses exist, some supported by more evidence than others,

921
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:12,240
Speaker 1: but all in conclusive. That Lowry escaped the county undercover

922
00:51:12,320 --> 00:51:14,880
Speaker 1: as an injured soldier with the help of a sympathetic general.

923
00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:17,200
Speaker 1: That he faked his own death and funeral with a

924
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:20,960
Speaker 1: straw stuffed corpse, later escaping from the from the country

925
00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:24,280
Speaker 1: in a stolen military uniform, That he escaped by train

926
00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:27,080
Speaker 1: in his own coffin, That he survived his endeavors and

927
00:51:27,120 --> 00:51:29,160
Speaker 1: emerged under a different name as a leader of native

928
00:51:29,160 --> 00:51:32,040
Speaker 1: resistance in the Pacific Northwest a few years later, that

929
00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:35,360
Speaker 1: he died on his brother's Tom's land by accidental discharge

930
00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:38,759
Speaker 1: of his rifle, uh secretly buried by his comrades. To

931
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:42,759
Speaker 1: continue the legend and rebellion and symbolic status. Local newspapers

932
00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:45,680
Speaker 1: tended to prefer the accidental death story, but their papers

933
00:51:45,719 --> 00:51:48,120
Speaker 1: also had a political interest in undermining the legend of

934
00:51:48,120 --> 00:51:51,120
Speaker 1: the man. What's more, neither the body nor the grave

935
00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:58,200
Speaker 1: site of Henry Barry Lowry has ever been found. Ah.

936
00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:02,919
Speaker 1: So yeah, where you is in France? Nah? I think Yeah,

937
00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:05,759
Speaker 1: the headed to the northwest. I could see that and

938
00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:10,439
Speaker 1: being like, look, we was able to do this down here.

939
00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:13,080
Speaker 1: I bet you we could pull this off if they

940
00:52:13,080 --> 00:52:15,080
Speaker 1: think I'm going And then again I'm just like, if

941
00:52:15,080 --> 00:52:18,600
Speaker 1: you got that much money, yeah, yeah, you out, Like

942
00:52:18,680 --> 00:52:21,080
Speaker 1: I'm out. Why what I did? My work here is done.

943
00:52:21,080 --> 00:52:25,160
Speaker 1: I'm out and you ain't. And you ain't fighting federal soldiers,

944
00:52:25,239 --> 00:52:27,879
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And y'all gangsters. So it's like,

945
00:52:28,320 --> 00:52:31,759
Speaker 1: you know, you look, we'd have done y'all. Look y'all,

946
00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:34,239
Speaker 1: get y'all, y'all got your thousand dollars, y'all need to

947
00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:35,840
Speaker 1: get the funk out of the city too. Like you

948
00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:38,000
Speaker 1: don't need me to tell you y'all get y'all go

949
00:52:38,080 --> 00:52:40,560
Speaker 1: for I got mine, you go get yours. I'm out.

950
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:44,839
Speaker 1: You know, I'm saying totally. Yeah. So there's there's one

951
00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:48,960
Speaker 1: more story in all this um it happens it in

952
00:52:49,040 --> 00:52:52,160
Speaker 1: Robison County with the Lumbian fighting against racist and ship.

953
00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:54,359
Speaker 1: That's worth I mean, there's a million more stories were telling.

954
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:56,560
Speaker 1: But this is the the other one that looms large

955
00:52:56,560 --> 00:52:58,279
Speaker 1: in a lot of this history. And this is the

956
00:52:58,320 --> 00:53:01,839
Speaker 1: Battle of Hayes Pond. It's like a hundred years later,

957
00:53:01,880 --> 00:53:05,000
Speaker 1: it's ninety eight and the Lumbi were targeted by the KKK.

958
00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:08,800
Speaker 1: On January. The clan burned two crosses, one in the

959
00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:10,520
Speaker 1: yard of a Lumbi family who had moved into a

960
00:53:10,520 --> 00:53:12,839
Speaker 1: white neighborhood, and one on the yard of a white

961
00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:14,959
Speaker 1: woman who is believed to be sleeping with a Lumbia man,

962
00:53:16,320 --> 00:53:19,200
Speaker 1: a South Carolina grand dragon or wizard or and or

963
00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:23,920
Speaker 1: whatever dn D ship they named themselves. Yeah, just yeah, anyway, Yeah,

964
00:53:24,360 --> 00:53:30,279
Speaker 1: his name is Walking James Catfish Coal and yeah, oh

965
00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:33,399
Speaker 1: my god, these guys, I know, like, you name yourself

966
00:53:33,400 --> 00:53:34,960
Speaker 1: a wizard in a catfish and we're supposed to take

967
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:38,719
Speaker 1: you seriously. I'm just i'mposed to take you serious. Yeah. Um.

968
00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:40,359
Speaker 1: And so he decides he's gonna throw a big old

969
00:53:40,360 --> 00:53:43,600
Speaker 1: clan rally to end all the race mixing, and he

970
00:53:43,600 --> 00:53:45,560
Speaker 1: he tries to rent a field near town, but everyone's

971
00:53:45,560 --> 00:53:47,680
Speaker 1: like fuck you. So eventually he finds a place to

972
00:53:47,680 --> 00:53:49,600
Speaker 1: have their rally further out of town, like ten miles

973
00:53:49,640 --> 00:53:52,560
Speaker 1: out of town. And apparently the sheriff was like, hey, hey, budd,

974
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:55,319
Speaker 1: you really might not want to do this people. People

975
00:53:55,400 --> 00:53:58,440
Speaker 1: might not like it if you do this. Yeah, but

976
00:53:58,520 --> 00:54:01,000
Speaker 1: the brave grand ELpH Hobbit or whatever it decides to

977
00:54:01,040 --> 00:54:04,560
Speaker 1: do it anyway. And so you know, I have to

978
00:54:04,600 --> 00:54:06,640
Speaker 1: hate someone if I'm going to drag D n D.

979
00:54:07,080 --> 00:54:08,960
Speaker 1: That's how much I hate them, is that I'm willing

980
00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:12,360
Speaker 1: to pick on nerds even though I play D n D. Okay,

981
00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:15,720
Speaker 1: of course. So they have the rally an old grand

982
00:54:15,719 --> 00:54:18,400
Speaker 1: catfish coal he wants. He thinks five thousand of his

983
00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:21,759
Speaker 1: dues are gonna show up. I was like, you ain't

984
00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:26,000
Speaker 1: getting no five okay, thank you, But five d lumbies

985
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:29,960
Speaker 1: show up and everyone on all sides is armed, and

986
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:32,600
Speaker 1: so there's this tent standoff. It's mostly the lumby making

987
00:54:32,600 --> 00:54:35,400
Speaker 1: fun of the dumb fucking klansman, of course. And then

988
00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:38,279
Speaker 1: there's like the shortest scuffle. One lumby man pulls down

989
00:54:38,360 --> 00:54:40,919
Speaker 1: the KKK bander and the clan only had like one

990
00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:43,200
Speaker 1: light bulb to light up their makeshift stage attached to

991
00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:47,319
Speaker 1: a generator or whatever. So someone fucking shoots it out. Uh,

992
00:54:47,360 --> 00:54:49,799
Speaker 1: and then a bunch of other people start shooting. And

993
00:54:49,840 --> 00:54:51,839
Speaker 1: I think the lumby might have been being nice here

994
00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:54,080
Speaker 1: and shot into the air because no one's injured in

995
00:54:54,120 --> 00:54:57,600
Speaker 1: all this, and they're surrounded by five armed people. Yeah

996
00:54:57,600 --> 00:55:00,279
Speaker 1: they're yeah, they were like, look, dude, a little lame

997
00:55:00,360 --> 00:55:04,200
Speaker 1: mess out of here. So so what happens next? Yeah, yeah, exactly.

998
00:55:04,600 --> 00:55:08,680
Speaker 1: Lumbie historian Melinda Maynard Lowry puts it like this. Cole

999
00:55:08,760 --> 00:55:12,240
Speaker 1: took off running into the swamps. His panicked followers dropped

1000
00:55:12,280 --> 00:55:15,200
Speaker 1: their guns, jumped in their cars, and drove in all directions,

1001
00:55:15,239 --> 00:55:18,680
Speaker 1: some straight into the ditches surrounding the field. Cole abandoned

1002
00:55:18,719 --> 00:55:22,000
Speaker 1: his own wife, Caroline at the scene. She either escaped

1003
00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:25,000
Speaker 1: on foot with her three children, or some Lumbies like

1004
00:55:25,080 --> 00:55:27,440
Speaker 1: to tell the story, drove her car into a ditch

1005
00:55:27,600 --> 00:55:31,080
Speaker 1: and had to have Lumbie men pull her out. Miraculously,

1006
00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:34,919
Speaker 1: no one was seriously injured. Even though Sandford Locklear's threat

1007
00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:36,880
Speaker 1: to kill Cole was real. One of the people was like,

1008
00:55:36,920 --> 00:55:40,359
Speaker 1: I'm gonna kill Cole. I'm still puzzled that no one

1009
00:55:40,440 --> 00:55:42,360
Speaker 1: got killed, said one of the women who confronted the

1010
00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:45,320
Speaker 1: clan and Cafish coal. He goes and he hides in

1011
00:55:45,320 --> 00:55:46,640
Speaker 1: the swamps and he doesn't come out of his hiding

1012
00:55:46,640 --> 00:55:51,080
Speaker 1: place for two fucking days after the ship um and

1013
00:55:51,080 --> 00:55:54,120
Speaker 1: he's he's arrested for inciting a riot, extradited from South

1014
00:55:54,160 --> 00:55:56,799
Speaker 1: Carolina and he's given like eighteen months. And one of

1015
00:55:56,840 --> 00:56:00,560
Speaker 1: the one of the jury was like, they were like,

1016
00:56:00,560 --> 00:56:03,239
Speaker 1: why do you convict? And he was like a lot

1017
00:56:03,320 --> 00:56:06,760
Speaker 1: of very angry people with guns were very very interested

1018
00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:15,319
Speaker 1: in this man being convicted lot. And you know that

1019
00:56:15,400 --> 00:56:17,759
Speaker 1: Catfish on his like sentencing or whatever, he makes this

1020
00:56:17,880 --> 00:56:20,120
Speaker 1: grand statement about how the court is proving him right,

1021
00:56:20,160 --> 00:56:23,440
Speaker 1: that the country is folling into like communism and dictatorship.

1022
00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:28,040
Speaker 1: Doesn't sound familiar to now at all. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

1023
00:56:28,040 --> 00:56:30,920
Speaker 1: no one's ever done that. The guy who grabs the banner,

1024
00:56:31,040 --> 00:56:33,080
Speaker 1: he has his photo taken to two guys have their

1025
00:56:33,080 --> 00:56:36,120
Speaker 1: photo taken wrapped in the banner and become a celebrity,

1026
00:56:36,360 --> 00:56:38,560
Speaker 1: and he gets thousands of letters of support from eight

1027
00:56:38,560 --> 00:56:42,720
Speaker 1: different countries. And this this ends KK activity in Robison County.

1028
00:56:43,600 --> 00:56:47,719
Speaker 1: So so that's the story of the Lowry Gang or

1029
00:56:47,760 --> 00:56:50,200
Speaker 1: sometimes called the Lowry wars Um. They live on in

1030
00:56:50,320 --> 00:56:52,400
Speaker 1: legend in North Carolina, and I thought it fitting to

1031
00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:54,799
Speaker 1: end with them because I think it's I think it's

1032
00:56:54,800 --> 00:56:57,040
Speaker 1: important to like really drive home that the rebellion against

1033
00:56:57,040 --> 00:57:00,760
Speaker 1: Confederacy wasn't necessarily a pro union thing a pro freedom

1034
00:57:00,800 --> 00:57:07,239
Speaker 1: fan and kept going, that's dub I what am I

1035
00:57:07,239 --> 00:57:10,239
Speaker 1: trying to say here? There's something that I've always like

1036
00:57:11,160 --> 00:57:14,640
Speaker 1: I haven't been able to put words on until recently.

1037
00:57:16,080 --> 00:57:20,480
Speaker 1: That's so unique about the type of like going back

1038
00:57:20,520 --> 00:57:24,280
Speaker 1: to this clan guy then and this this last thing

1039
00:57:24,320 --> 00:57:29,440
Speaker 1: in like this, I just don't understand, Like there's so

1040
00:57:29,520 --> 00:57:33,120
Speaker 1: many ways in the black community to say that's none

1041
00:57:33,120 --> 00:57:37,040
Speaker 1: of my business, just my your own business, Like you know,

1042
00:57:37,600 --> 00:57:40,200
Speaker 1: we just be like, look, that's your business, Like listen, listen,

1043
00:57:40,520 --> 00:57:42,480
Speaker 1: I ain't been it, I ain't in it. I mean,

1044
00:57:44,040 --> 00:57:46,200
Speaker 1: we just have a million ways just to be like

1045
00:57:46,600 --> 00:57:48,880
Speaker 1: that's none of my business, you know what I'm saying,

1046
00:57:48,960 --> 00:57:51,520
Speaker 1: Like I just don't listen. If I see two Korean

1047
00:57:51,560 --> 00:57:54,520
Speaker 1: people talking on the train, they're talking to each other

1048
00:57:55,560 --> 00:57:58,760
Speaker 1: in their own language, that's none of my business you talk.

1049
00:57:59,040 --> 00:58:01,360
Speaker 1: So this man is so mad about something? Who who?

1050
00:58:01,520 --> 00:58:05,040
Speaker 1: This ladies? Who? Who? Who? This lady smashing foe doors down?

1051
00:58:05,560 --> 00:58:07,960
Speaker 1: What the hell she got to do with you? That's

1052
00:58:08,120 --> 00:58:11,439
Speaker 1: it's none of your business. This family moves into this house,

1053
00:58:11,480 --> 00:58:16,000
Speaker 1: what it's none of your business. I just don't like, Like,

1054
00:58:16,200 --> 00:58:19,400
Speaker 1: why do you make ship? That's not your business? Show?

1055
00:58:19,600 --> 00:58:25,000
Speaker 1: It's a specific type of white supremacy to me, that

1056
00:58:25,040 --> 00:58:29,960
Speaker 1: makes everything they business. And I'm just like you, I'm like, look,

1057
00:58:30,040 --> 00:58:33,240
Speaker 1: let me let me okay, clan, let me give you

1058
00:58:33,320 --> 00:58:39,680
Speaker 1: some pointers. You can't ye do your racism. But why

1059
00:58:39,800 --> 00:58:42,600
Speaker 1: you look so stupid to us, it's because you're worried

1060
00:58:42,600 --> 00:58:46,160
Speaker 1: about it. That ain't your business. What the fund you care?

1061
00:58:46,560 --> 00:58:49,440
Speaker 1: What the fund do you care? Like? Why do you

1062
00:58:49,520 --> 00:58:52,080
Speaker 1: care about that? You know? And and and I'm like,

1063
00:58:52,120 --> 00:58:55,880
Speaker 1: and that evolves into the Karen phenomenon. You just feel

1064
00:58:55,880 --> 00:58:59,120
Speaker 1: like shit is your business, and I'm just like, that's mine,

1065
00:58:59,160 --> 00:59:02,480
Speaker 1: your fucking business. Like how many things would just be

1066
00:59:02,720 --> 00:59:06,400
Speaker 1: if you just mind your own just mind your that's

1067
00:59:06,400 --> 00:59:11,320
Speaker 1: not your business. And it's like to me, one of Listen,

1068
00:59:12,800 --> 00:59:17,400
Speaker 1: one of the easiest things to discern. To me, the

1069
00:59:17,520 --> 00:59:20,680
Speaker 1: easiest thing in the world for me to understand is

1070
00:59:20,760 --> 00:59:26,800
Speaker 1: what's my business and what's not my business? Yeah, Margaret,

1071
00:59:27,840 --> 00:59:30,160
Speaker 1: you are a part of the trans community. You know

1072
00:59:30,200 --> 00:59:32,720
Speaker 1: why I have no thoughts about that because it's none

1073
00:59:32,720 --> 00:59:36,160
Speaker 1: of my business. If that's what you want to do,

1074
00:59:36,520 --> 00:59:39,920
Speaker 1: it ain't my business. Do you understand, Shance. I'm just like,

1075
00:59:40,240 --> 00:59:43,800
Speaker 1: it was so easy, It is so easy for me. Yeah.

1076
00:59:45,440 --> 00:59:49,240
Speaker 1: I just don't understand why people don't understand what is

1077
00:59:49,280 --> 00:59:55,840
Speaker 1: not their business. Why so many of them are politicians,

1078
00:59:56,440 --> 01:00:00,320
Speaker 1: that's what? And why why the road? Yeah, of those

1079
01:00:00,320 --> 01:00:02,760
Speaker 1: people grow up and I'm because they think everything is

1080
01:00:02,800 --> 01:00:06,640
Speaker 1: their business, so they take everything. Yeah. The number of

1081
01:00:06,640 --> 01:00:08,440
Speaker 1: people who think is my their business, whether or not

1082
01:00:08,480 --> 01:00:10,960
Speaker 1: I'm wearing a dress in public or whatever, it's fucking wild.

1083
01:00:11,560 --> 01:00:13,640
Speaker 1: Like that's what. Listen. Does this impact the fact that

1084
01:00:13,640 --> 01:00:15,600
Speaker 1: I'm trying to buy French fries at my favorite French

1085
01:00:15,600 --> 01:00:19,600
Speaker 1: fry emporium? No? No, Margaret, If you're in front of

1086
01:00:19,600 --> 01:00:22,240
Speaker 1: me in address, do you know what I'm thinking about?

1087
01:00:23,040 --> 01:00:26,360
Speaker 1: What size fries? I won't Yeah? Exactly. That's what I

1088
01:00:26,440 --> 01:00:29,960
Speaker 1: think about. Yeah, because you stop just like I'm not

1089
01:00:30,040 --> 01:00:36,440
Speaker 1: good business to stranger. You know, it comes back to

1090
01:00:36,520 --> 01:00:39,760
Speaker 1: potatoes comes back. I just want to know what size

1091
01:00:39,800 --> 01:00:42,480
Speaker 1: fries I'm gonna get. That's all I'm worried about. And

1092
01:00:42,800 --> 01:00:44,880
Speaker 1: I'm looking to see if if they just fried them

1093
01:00:44,920 --> 01:00:47,400
Speaker 1: back there. I hope they hopefully they fresh. You know,

1094
01:00:47,520 --> 01:00:50,480
Speaker 1: that probably impacts what size you want to you know exactly.

1095
01:00:50,480 --> 01:00:52,000
Speaker 1: If I look out there and I'm like, they ain't

1096
01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:54,000
Speaker 1: dip those in a while, I go to small, but

1097
01:00:54,040 --> 01:00:56,160
Speaker 1: I'm like, he just made them all right, let me

1098
01:00:56,200 --> 01:00:58,800
Speaker 1: get it, let me get a bucket. Yeah, you know,

1099
01:00:58,960 --> 01:01:00,720
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I want French. That's so bad la

1100
01:01:00,800 --> 01:01:03,000
Speaker 1: right now, so bad as soon as we get on. Yeah,

1101
01:01:03,080 --> 01:01:07,440
Speaker 1: that's what I'm eating. Yo, This is great. Thanks for

1102
01:01:07,480 --> 01:01:11,120
Speaker 1: having me. Yeah, thanks for coming on. Yeah. This is

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01:01:11,160 --> 01:01:13,120
Speaker 1: the new show on the on the on the media Zone.

1104
01:01:13,280 --> 01:01:17,360
Speaker 1: Huh the Cool Zone. Yeah, that's a new theseum joint. Welcome, Welcome,

1105
01:01:17,560 --> 01:01:21,440
Speaker 1: Welcome to the Welcome to the family. Thank you. Yeah

1106
01:01:21,720 --> 01:01:23,960
Speaker 1: you wanna you wanna plug that Cool Zone the media

1107
01:01:24,000 --> 01:01:26,200
Speaker 1: show that that you host. Props. Yo, I'm on a

1108
01:01:26,280 --> 01:01:29,080
Speaker 1: cool zone too, man. It's called her politics. You know

1109
01:01:29,080 --> 01:01:33,080
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, uh, we um, her politics will prop

1110
01:01:33,280 --> 01:01:37,200
Speaker 1: Like I am of the belief that, um, you understand

1111
01:01:37,240 --> 01:01:39,680
Speaker 1: more than you think you understand. You just need somebody

1112
01:01:39,880 --> 01:01:43,640
Speaker 1: point at it, you know. Um. And especially if you were,

1113
01:01:44,080 --> 01:01:47,080
Speaker 1: as Margaret said, at some point a street kid, you know,

1114
01:01:47,200 --> 01:01:49,880
Speaker 1: then you understand more than you think you do. And

1115
01:01:49,920 --> 01:01:54,240
Speaker 1: that's really what the her politics is about. And I

1116
01:01:54,360 --> 01:01:57,240
Speaker 1: enjoy doing it. It's a good fucking show and people

1117
01:01:57,240 --> 01:01:58,880
Speaker 1: should listen to it, thank you, although I kind of

1118
01:01:58,880 --> 01:02:01,160
Speaker 1: assume most people are listening to us have already heard it.

1119
01:02:01,200 --> 01:02:03,880
Speaker 1: But just in case you haven't, you never know, you

1120
01:02:03,960 --> 01:02:06,400
Speaker 1: got your own fans, you know what I'm saying, Well,

1121
01:02:06,400 --> 01:02:09,040
Speaker 1: they should be listening to your show. That's what I'll bet.

1122
01:02:09,040 --> 01:02:17,360
Speaker 1: That's what I'm insinuate. Yeah, and we'll be back on Monday, right, Margaret,

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Speaker 1: back on Monday. More stuff. Cool stuff in the Cool Zone.

1124
01:02:25,120 --> 01:02:33,320
Speaker 1: Yeah they cool people who did. Cool Stuff is a

1125
01:02:33,360 --> 01:02:36,520
Speaker 1: production of cool Zone Media. Or more podcasts and cool

1126
01:02:36,560 --> 01:02:39,680
Speaker 1: Zone Media, visit our website cool zone media dot com,

1127
01:02:39,760 --> 01:02:41,919
Speaker 1: or check us out on the I Heard Radio app,

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Speaker 1: Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.