Speaker 1: The volume.
Speaker 2: All right, John Middlicoff, former NFL scout, we do.
Speaker 3: We do this every year.
Speaker 2: Obviously, we go through the first round picks and let's
Speaker 2: not waste any time. Let's get past cam Ward at
Speaker 2: number one. That was an easy one, the most interesting one,
Speaker 2: and boy, my phone blew up. Cleveland got a haul.
Speaker 2: I think, way too much for a non quarterback. So
Speaker 2: Cleveland gets three of the top thirty six picks. Now,
Speaker 2: if you add all the picks they got in from
Speaker 2: the Jags next year, they're just doing that to get
Speaker 2: a quarterback next year. So next year, of the top
Speaker 2: thirty six picks, Cleveland has three of them. They got
Speaker 2: a haul, and then they go down to number five
Speaker 2: and you know, getting a starting defensive tackle. I'll get
Speaker 2: to that in a second. But the GM for the Jags,
Speaker 2: who I was told actually worked from home in Saint
Speaker 2: Louis a lot even when he was a RAMS employee,
Speaker 2: is a young kid. So this is the adult table
Speaker 2: being a GM. I don't like the swing. Travis Hunter
Speaker 2: is a great player, but unless he's a pro bowler
Speaker 2: on both sides of the ball, it feels like way
Speaker 2: too much to give up. And I think Cleveland was
Speaker 2: clearly doing it to get Amo for next year's quarterback draft.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's the easiest trade that Andrew
Speaker 1: Berry and Kevin Stefanski will ever make. They might have
Speaker 1: just got contract extensions from Haslam sitting behind him.
Speaker 4: In the draft room.
Speaker 1: I'm with you, how can you make this trade, Colin?
Speaker 1: When you don't know your team, you know, part of anyone,
Speaker 1: whether you're taking over a football team, taking over a business,
Speaker 1: you got to let it settle and see what you have. Well,
Speaker 1: there's obviously no way. They haven't even been on the
Speaker 1: field in shorts and T shirts. They don't know if
Speaker 1: their quarterback's any good, they don't know how talented their
Speaker 1: unit is. I get the ownership there, as you know,
Speaker 1: flush with money and aggressive and everything, but I think
Speaker 1: being this aggressive for Liam Cohen and Gladstone, the young
Speaker 1: thirty four year old GM, when they have never worked
Speaker 1: with the players on their team. It's one thing if
Speaker 1: you had been around for a couple of years and
Speaker 1: you have a pretty good feel like we're a player
Speaker 1: or two away, let's swing for the fences. That's insane, Colin,
Speaker 1: to throw away your next year's first round pick. And
Speaker 1: I get it he was. He had a front row
Speaker 1: seat there for Les and Shawn trading all those first
Speaker 1: round picks over the years, they were typically a player
Speaker 1: or two away, right though with the Rams, So I
Speaker 1: thought it was for a non quarterback. I mean, we've
Speaker 1: seen some off the forty nine ers made one for
Speaker 1: trade lance. I think it's one of the craziest Draft
Speaker 1: day trades I can remember for a non quarterback.
Speaker 2: I'm trying to think of the last time I got
Speaker 2: three texts from NFL employees and all went mistake by
Speaker 2: the Jacks, like all landed on the same spot. And
Speaker 2: this is a very young GM. And again, Travis Hunter
Speaker 2: is going to be a really sensational talent, there's no question.
Speaker 2: But there's also going to be some growing pains on
Speaker 2: the fact that he's not going to be in meetings
Speaker 2: for one side of the ball on a regular basis. So,
Speaker 2: and I mean, listen, this really isn't as much about
Speaker 2: the Jags as it is Cleveland. They're trying to get
Speaker 2: out from this tonnage of Deshaun Watson's contract, and the
Speaker 2: way to do it is get a star quarterback. I mean,
Speaker 2: that's how the Broncos got out from the ton of
Speaker 2: Jeer Russell Wilson. They got bo Nicks, who will be
Speaker 2: free for four years. So yeah, I didn't. I didn't
Speaker 2: like it at all. I just think, you know, we
Speaker 2: could always take shots at Cleveland. But I've always been
Speaker 2: a Stefanski fan, and I have people that really like
Speaker 2: Andrew Berry. I think this is a really easy deal
Speaker 2: to make. And then, by the way, you slide down
Speaker 2: to five. Now, a lot of people think Mason Graham
Speaker 2: is more in the eight to twelve range as a
Speaker 2: draft pick because it's ceilings low, and I think in
Speaker 2: most years that would be fair. One of the people
Speaker 2: that loved what Cleveland did didn't love Mason Graham as
Speaker 2: a number five pick. He said he's closer to ten
Speaker 2: than he is to five. But again, he's going to start,
Speaker 2: you know in that division, Northern Division, it's a rugged division.
Speaker 2: Did you like what Cleveland did at five with Graham
Speaker 2: after making a pretty shrewd move to get all those picks?
Speaker 1: Yeah, to me, the note that I wrote down, I mean,
Speaker 1: Travis Hunter for Cleveland doesn't do that much right.
Speaker 4: I mean, there are.
Speaker 1: Several players away in their quarterback situation's disaster. When you
Speaker 1: think Mason Graham, and you watch the way Michigan's played
Speaker 1: the last couple of years obviously in that area. Too
Speaker 1: ideal for the AFC North like that, that'd be my thing.
Speaker 1: Like that guy is just made do play in cold
Speaker 1: weather against Pittsburgh against Baltimore. Yeah, teams that want to
Speaker 1: play physical, slow down the game.
Speaker 4: So I listen, this is draft.
Speaker 1: I mean McMillan went eight, Kelvin Banks went nine. I
Speaker 1: mean this wasn't exactly Tony Boselli, you know, and Miles
Speaker 1: Garrett coming off the board here right in this ragne.
Speaker 1: So I have no problem with going Mason Graham to
Speaker 1: me where they could have taken me and you colin
Speaker 1: the moment they made that trade, Cleveland won the draft.
Speaker 1: Yeah they get next year's to me, the likelihood Jacksonville
Speaker 1: first time head coach, young coaching staff.
Speaker 4: I mean, they could easily be a five to six
Speaker 4: win team.
Speaker 1: We do not know if their quarterback is good and
Speaker 1: he has struggled to stay healthy. And I get Liam
Speaker 1: Cohen had a big year with Baker Mayfield, but Baker
Speaker 1: he did resurrect. Baker Mayfield was good the previous year too.
Speaker 1: That's how Dave Canalis got a job. So it's not
Speaker 1: like he just made Baker Mayfield. Baker Mayfields now two
Speaker 1: good years in a row. So I think that the
Speaker 1: Cleveland again could have taken anybody the moment they got
Speaker 1: the future one and the second.
Speaker 4: Think how often we see.
Speaker 1: Good players get drafted in the thirties. Happens every year,
Speaker 1: regardless how good the draft is, because the same type
Speaker 1: player is there in the mid thirties. It can be
Speaker 1: impact starters that you get for like one point five
Speaker 1: million dollars a year.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's what to your point is Cleveland gets
Speaker 2: Jacksonville's first round pick next year. What's crazy about that
Speaker 2: is that could be a top six pick easy.
Speaker 3: I mean, that is nuts.
Speaker 1: We've seen it happen a couple of years in a
Speaker 1: row where the Lions benefited. The one year when they
Speaker 1: had the Stafford trade and the Rams had that awful
Speaker 1: year and McVeagh like thought about quitting football to go
Speaker 1: work at Amazon. They got a top what they got
Speaker 1: the six pick that they turned into Laporta in Gibbs.
Speaker 1: We saw it the year when Denver was awful and
Speaker 1: Seattle got a really high pick and took Witherspoon. We
Speaker 1: have seen these future ones on. It's usually a player
Speaker 1: trade Russell Wilson, Matt Stafford, whatever, but sometimes on a
Speaker 1: draft day trade remembers Chicago traded from twenty to eleven.
Speaker 4: Yes, with the Giants, and.
Speaker 1: Then they were terrible the next year, and the Giants
Speaker 1: got multiple picks in the top ten. Now, you still
Speaker 1: got to make the right pick with that selection. But
Speaker 1: the amount of flexibility if you let's assume Cleveland isn't
Speaker 1: going to be that good, I mean their quarterback situation disaster.
Speaker 1: If I tell you next year they have picked five
Speaker 1: and nine, yeah, you got a lot to work with.
Speaker 3: That's why they made the move.
Speaker 2: This was a real obvious one to me, and I
Speaker 2: had mentioned this multiple times. Geno Smith with a run game,
Speaker 2: throwing on play action, is actually a pretty good quarterback.
Speaker 2: He's very Sam Darnald. When he gave Sam a little
Speaker 2: protection and a run game, and he can throw when
Speaker 2: nobody's quite sure he's throwing. He's very effective. When you
Speaker 2: force Donald or Gino Smith to throw on third and eleven,
Speaker 2: or they have to throw it a beat fast, that's
Speaker 2: when you get the mistakes. I thought genty and I
Speaker 2: also wonder this, if you look at Pete Carroll's history.
Speaker 2: He's old school, Marshawn Lynch, Reggie Bush, Lendale White. His
Speaker 2: great teams have had stars in the backfield, which sets
Speaker 2: the table for his offense. Pete hates mistakes by quarterbacks
Speaker 2: and Geno doesn't make a ton when he's throwing on
Speaker 2: play action.
Speaker 3: So I think Genty, I love that pick for the Raiders.
Speaker 4: I have been.
Speaker 1: Probably one of the counterculture movements here with this asmin
Speaker 1: gent like hype.
Speaker 4: I mean, people have been.
Speaker 1: Comparing to Barry Sanders or you know, Ladanian Tomlinson. I
Speaker 1: think any time that you compare a player to the
Speaker 1: greatest of all time, it's like when you're comparing cam
Speaker 1: Ward to Patrick Holmes, we gotta tell you to pump
Speaker 1: the brakes. But I you know, listen Kenneth Walker who
Speaker 1: was picked later when he was healthy for Seattle with Charbonade.
Speaker 1: Their run game was good, like you said, Gino was
Speaker 1: really really GOODEP. My issue here is, like I have
Speaker 1: experience in the Mountain West. I know the difference in
Speaker 1: the competition relative to the Big Ten and obviously the SEC.
Speaker 4: It is dramatic.
Speaker 1: Now in an individual, like in a vacuum, he has
Speaker 1: a special talent, and he had the opportunity to surely
Speaker 1: go to Texas or Ohio State. He turned down money.
Speaker 1: So it wasn't like people didn't want him. But like
Speaker 1: playing against Washington State, New Mexico, Fresno State, and San
Speaker 1: Diego State is going to be a little different animal
Speaker 1: than the Chargers, Denver and Kansas City, which you could
Speaker 1: argue is the best defensive division in the sport. We
Speaker 1: know Mentor and how good the charges are, so it's
Speaker 1: just gonna be difficult for him.
Speaker 4: We saw this year.
Speaker 1: You know, I don't the Raiders offensive line's okay, but
Speaker 1: it's it's gonna be tough. I just I get it.
Speaker 1: I honestly thought they would go with a lineman there,
Speaker 1: especially a defensive lineman. You know, remember Pete Carroll over
Speaker 1: the years has now it hasn't always worked out. Bruce Irvin,
Speaker 1: I thought he would be aggressive there. But you know
Speaker 1: that they swung for the fences. It gives them some
Speaker 1: star power that there's no disputing. It makes them more
Speaker 1: interesting to watch because they they were an unwatchable product
Speaker 1: the last couple of years. So Austin gent Tp Carroll,
Speaker 1: Gino Smith, I'll pay attention. I still I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: not picking them to win that many games based on
Speaker 1: what we what we have on the roster right now.
Speaker 2: Colston Lovelin was plus six fifty to be the number
Speaker 2: ten pick. He he's a very unique player, so I
Speaker 2: know three t I mean, the Rams and Chargers both
Speaker 2: liked him. The Bears obviously liked him, and even with
Speaker 2: cole Comett, they now have DJ Moore, Keenan Allen, cole Comett,
Speaker 2: Colston Loveland. They went and got Dolman, the center from Atlanta,
Speaker 2: Joe Tooney. They liked their right tackle. I was texting
Speaker 2: somebody in the league about this, and one of the
Speaker 2: things we both landed at was the future of this franchise.
Speaker 2: They've never had a great quarterback is Caleb Williams. You
Speaker 2: have to make it work. You know the talents there
Speaker 2: and this is like this is like weapons plus plus
Speaker 2: plus plus plus. You have to make this work.
Speaker 1: I don't remember a young quarterback on a second year
Speaker 1: of a rookie deal getting more help. They go outside
Speaker 1: Ben Johnson, whose I would say, one of the more
Speaker 1: hyped doc's of the last decade. Yeah, you mentioned you
Speaker 1: forgot the Rams offensive lineman that they also traded for
Speaker 1: that Ben Johnson had coached in Detroit.
Speaker 4: So they get a new.
Speaker 1: Center, two new guards they already hadn't invested in tackles.
Speaker 1: DJ Moore is one of the more verstable players in
Speaker 1: the league. They invested the ninth pick last year into
Speaker 1: Roma Dude Day.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: So it's like, if you're.
Speaker 1: A Chicago their defensive personnels are good and they have
Speaker 1: an established defensive coordinator in Dennis Allen coming. You know,
Speaker 1: the hype that was behind the Bears last year I
Speaker 1: thought was crazy. I do think there's some substance now
Speaker 1: behind this. Now, I don't know if it's gonna work.
Speaker 1: I gotta let it breathe here for a month or two.
Speaker 1: But there is, you know, legitimate pieces on the offensive,
Speaker 1: a defensive line, a play caller that knows what he's doing,
Speaker 1: a defensive coordinator. You know, ebra Flus had to be
Speaker 1: the defensive coordinator and the head coach. He was completely
Speaker 1: over his head as a head coach. Good defensive coordinator.
Speaker 1: Now Dennis Allen can just focus on the defense. Ben
Speaker 1: can just be the head coach, slash the offensive coordinator
Speaker 1: and really just focus on Caleb. To me, the question
Speaker 1: is going to be and I think this is the
Speaker 1: working thing with all these young quarterbacks moving into the league.
Speaker 1: Can they teach him to get rid of the ball
Speaker 1: quicker and play in a more rhythm timing offense, run
Speaker 1: the ball more like they did in Detroit because and
Speaker 1: the one thing they got going against him is the
Speaker 1: division is really really good. So it's not like it's
Speaker 1: hard to win ten games, especially a franchise that has
Speaker 1: not been winning. But I would feel much. I know
Speaker 1: the hype was so crazy last year behind the Bears.
Speaker 1: If I was a Bears fan right now, I would
Speaker 1: just feel like we have a real identity and team
Speaker 1: right now.
Speaker 2: Well, and I also think if you go look at
Speaker 2: what happens at the end of the year, it is
Speaker 2: really hard even if you have a great defensive team. Remember, statistically,
Speaker 2: defensive players get hurt more than offensive players. It's a
Speaker 2: more reckless side of the ball. And so what if
Speaker 2: you start looking at the end of years. Great Niner
Speaker 2: defenses two three years ago can get carved up. Good
Speaker 2: Philadelphia defenses can get carved up. And my takeaway is
Speaker 2: if you're like Pittsburgh's got all sorts of defensive talent,
Speaker 2: the Bears are like listen, historically they would go. Over
Speaker 2: the last fifteen years, they've had very good defensive players.
Speaker 2: If you're going to be if you're going to be
Speaker 2: heavy on one side of the ball, if you're gonna
Speaker 2: make mistakes, if roma Dunza's a mistake, it's the right
Speaker 2: side of the ball to make a mistake, not a
Speaker 2: safe or an off ball linebacker. Like I look at
Speaker 2: it and I think to myself, there are not a
Speaker 2: lot of teams in this league, John that have Colcombe
Speaker 2: at Colston Loveland at tight end. And by the way,
Speaker 2: for a young quarterback, tight ends are a great ally.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Two things.
Speaker 1: You know, we talked so much the hype on Tyler Warren,
Speaker 1: I mean his team because Michigan was bad this year
Speaker 1: and Loveland had gotten injured, he became kind of the
Speaker 1: apple of everyone's eye.
Speaker 4: He's massive.
Speaker 1: Well, it's not like Loveland's small. He's basically six six,
Speaker 1: two fifty. He's huge. How about Harball as a talent evaluator,
Speaker 1: I mean, I think they sent a record last year
Speaker 1: for guys getting drafted in a class. They just they
Speaker 1: had an awful team.
Speaker 4: This year.
Speaker 1: They had three guys get drafted in the in the
Speaker 1: top thirteen picks.
Speaker 4: The two of them were defensive tackles.
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean the Harbaugh say what you want.
Speaker 1: That guy can evaluate young men to play football.
Speaker 3: Holy Molly well.
Speaker 2: And by the way, that's why when the Charger I
Speaker 2: remember talking to Dean Spanish about this, I said, you're
Speaker 2: gonna get the next two years. You guys will draft
Speaker 2: as well as anybody. Because Jim recruited all these players.
Speaker 2: It was about the thirdieth first two years for Pete
Speaker 2: Carolyn Seattle. Probably the first two to three years Pete
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Speaker 2: You know I love the general manager of the Tampa
Speaker 2: Bay Buccaneers. Have I told you this before they went
Speaker 2: and drafted Imika Egbuka, the wide receiver at Ohio State.
Speaker 2: I I believe most general managers believe he is one
Speaker 2: of one, the best receiver or the only receiver to
Speaker 2: be a first round receiver. I think the Texas kid
Speaker 2: as a late first rounder. Everybody I talk to love him,
Speaker 2: and what's great is he can play sideline. But he
Speaker 2: didn't take that many snaps outside for Oil State for
Speaker 2: obvious reasons. They're stacked at quarterback with Jeremiah Smith or
Speaker 2: at receiver. They're stacked. They don't need sideline receivers. He
Speaker 2: would be a sideline receiver or a slot receiver any
Speaker 2: other program in the country except like Ohio State and
Speaker 2: Alabama because they have so many great players, so he'll
Speaker 2: come in and immediately play for them. I think he
Speaker 2: is a prime example because he's not a burner John.
Speaker 2: He's a prime example of maturity, interviews, professionalism that could
Speaker 2: have moved him up ten to twelve spots. He was
Speaker 2: considered a second round talent the minute the season ended.
Speaker 2: His value beyond being excellent, is he is considered a
Speaker 2: mature in a league where we're having wide receiver divas
Speaker 2: emerge like every weekend. I think his personality is a
Speaker 2: huge part of him going this high.
Speaker 1: Well, one thing I remember the stat last year when
Speaker 1: the Week one is that Tampa had like forty three
Speaker 1: or forty four drafted players on their fifty three man roster.
Speaker 1: Jason light has been, if not the best, a top
Speaker 1: two or three drafter over the last five or six years.
Speaker 4: And when you.
Speaker 1: Look in, you know the Baker that you originally started
Speaker 1: talking about back at Oklahoma is a completely different human being.
Speaker 1: Now Tampa's got a really high level team. Know from
Speaker 1: Wharfs to Mike Evans to Vita Vea. I mean, their
Speaker 1: guys on their squad are just like Honestly, Jason Light
Speaker 1: comes from New England and I'm talking the Vrabel Bruskie
Speaker 1: New England days with Tom Brady. He's kind of built
Speaker 1: that version with Baker Mayfield as his quarterback. Super smart,
Speaker 1: super tough.
Speaker 2: Steve Kim told me he thought Jason Light was one
Speaker 2: of the best scouts he'd ever followed it. Ki Kime
Speaker 2: told me because I always told we. Kim got in
Speaker 2: and got into a discussion with me about two years ago.
Speaker 2: We're smoking cigars, and I said, you ever noticed every
Speaker 2: Buccaneers team is stacked. They just couldn't get the quarterback
Speaker 2: right before Brady. But like and he goes, oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: it's Jason. He goes that he is. He is as
Speaker 2: good a scout as we've had in this league. He goes,
Speaker 2: he just didn't miss he was so good. You know,
Speaker 2: that's and that's how you become a GM. You're a
Speaker 2: great scout.
Speaker 1: Initially, well, they built their offensive line from taking smaller
Speaker 1: school tackles and tournament at guards and centers, and you know,
Speaker 1: obviously they've had Mike Evans to kind of settle in
Speaker 1: Vida Vey as like a stalwart players minus, you know,
Speaker 1: separate from Tom Brady. But yeah, I mean you tell
Speaker 1: me he could have drafted anybody. It'd be like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I like to pick now. Like you said, I mean,
Speaker 1: this guy, what didn't he set records at Ohio State
Speaker 1: for yards, catches games. I mean, he's he's a stud.
Speaker 1: The other thing is when you go to a team
Speaker 1: that has I mean they re signed God when they
Speaker 1: got him on a cheaper number because he remember he
Speaker 1: shattered his ankle. Obviously they still have Evans, this guy
Speaker 1: the pressure on him to They're not gonna need him
Speaker 1: to catch seventy balls next year. Their running game last
Speaker 1: year with Bucky Irving, I mean their team honestly, they
Speaker 1: in a weird way underachieved because they had so many
Speaker 1: injuries the second half of the season. On defense, they
Speaker 1: couldn't stop anybody. To me, if they are healthy, there's
Speaker 1: a pretty big gap in that division if they're healthy,
Speaker 1: like between them and the number two team. Like, the
Speaker 1: only reason it was close between them and Atlanta this
Speaker 1: year is because they had a million injuries on defense.
Speaker 4: But like, they're a much better run organization.
Speaker 1: You know what Baker's turned into the like, there's no
Speaker 1: disputing Baker's really become the last two years a top
Speaker 1: ten quarterback. Yeah, and clearly just his maturation. Like a
Speaker 1: lot of us guys, you know, in the late twenties,
Speaker 1: it kicks in. He gets married, has a kid, and
Speaker 1: he's a different guy.
Speaker 4: And as a.
Speaker 1: Player, he plays much faster, had slimmed down. His arm's
Speaker 1: always been great. And now he's got three with Obuka,
Speaker 1: with Mike Evans and Godwin and running backs and a
Speaker 1: good offensive line. I mean that their offense should be
Speaker 1: really good.
Speaker 4: Colin.
Speaker 2: Now, if you look at the draft so far, there's
Speaker 2: only two players that I believe can turn losses into wins.
Speaker 2: Cam Ward at Tennessee replacing will Levis. If I told
Speaker 2: you they won four more games just simply because of
Speaker 2: significant upgrade at quarterback in that division, I think we
Speaker 2: both go yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean cam Ward to will Levis Is is a
Speaker 2: D to a B. And the other player that I
Speaker 2: I mean this draft is not exceptional. I do think
Speaker 2: Ashton Gens will be a pretty spectacular player for the Raiders,
Speaker 2: and with Chip Kelly's brain, the brock Bauers Gino Smith.
Speaker 2: This is not a draft where people are changing outcomes.
Speaker 2: And Jayden Daniels changed outcomes. We thought Kayleb Williams, would
Speaker 2: it Bo Nicks changed outcomes. I could argue that Tennessee
Speaker 2: and Vegas will be because of their first round players.
Speaker 2: Would you agree, noticeably more dynamic offenses and an offensive league.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think there's been one team, minimum from the top
Speaker 1: five that has made the playoffs over the last five years.
Speaker 1: And you know, I remember when the forty nine ers
Speaker 1: had the number two overall pick and they took Bosa
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden they had a thirteen
Speaker 1: win team and they were in the Super Bowl in
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen. I don't know if there's one of those
Speaker 1: teams here, but I'm with you. I mean that they
Speaker 1: lost Josh Jacobs last year the Raiders.
Speaker 4: And their running game was a Joe.
Speaker 1: I mean, they were just they were in bad shape
Speaker 1: as an organization. So anytime you get a guy that
Speaker 1: that that is that good. But like I said, you
Speaker 1: know that going from the Mountain West, he's a fantastic
Speaker 1: prospect and a fantastic his His his tape this year
Speaker 1: look like a high school kid going to Nick Saban
Speaker 1: in his prime. But it's a pretty big difference. I mean,
Speaker 1: their division is really really hard, and you know, Cleveland,
Speaker 1: I think is.
Speaker 4: Cool with sitting back.
Speaker 1: I do think there's a lot of pressure on Will Campbell.
Speaker 1: He is a guy that if we assume that the
Speaker 1: Patriots are going to be a viable you know, low
Speaker 1: level like kind of like Denver was this year operation,
Speaker 1: they're gonna need Will Campbell to the don't need to
Speaker 1: be Trent Williams, but can he just be a starter,
Speaker 1: a solid player that you can kind of rely on immediately.
Speaker 4: There's gonna be Listen, the arm length thing.
Speaker 1: People push back, but it's it's I know it's crazy
Speaker 1: to sound like an inch is a make or break deal,
Speaker 1: but historically it is difficult out there on edge. Think
Speaker 1: how many teams now have good pass rushers.
Speaker 2: Okay, Chargers select o Marion Hampton, the running back from
Speaker 2: North Carolina. Okay, so this is interesting. So I went
Speaker 2: to dinner with Greg Roman, the offensive coordinator for the Chargers.
Speaker 2: He was on Friday night, and you know, he's not
Speaker 2: gonna give me any intel, but we we really talked
Speaker 2: a lot about football and what the team needed, and
Speaker 2: I wasn't going to pry information.
Speaker 3: But the one thing that we you know, we agreed with.
Speaker 3: I said, I wouldn't be.
Speaker 2: Shocked if you guys didn't go tight end, running back, interior,
Speaker 2: offensive lineman, wide receiver.
Speaker 3: And you know Greg acknowledged.
Speaker 2: He goes, Listen, we got good players, but we probably
Speaker 2: need a little juice. We probably need a little bit
Speaker 2: more juice. And and that's that. And I said, do
Speaker 2: you like Colston Loveland? He's like, everybody likes Colston Loveland.
Speaker 2: Do you like Hampton? He goes, everybody likes Hampton. So
Speaker 2: I mean this to me, Nauseie Harris and Hampton. Okay,
Speaker 2: now with Joel Ault last year and Mashaan Slater at
Speaker 2: left tackle, John this is a Jim Harball football team.
Speaker 2: I picked them to win their division this year. This
Speaker 2: is a Jim Harball football team. Between those two picks,
Speaker 2: a power running speed guy Naji Harris, by the way, Similarly,
Speaker 2: now he didn't have the burst of Hampton, but Naji
Speaker 2: Harris is a power running back. I mean even last
Speaker 2: year JK Dobbins, who's got some girth to him, got
Speaker 2: some size. This is really starting to feel like a
Speaker 2: Jim Harbaugh team.
Speaker 1: Well, if you had to bet right now, who's gonna
Speaker 1: have the better career Omarion Hampton with Harbaugh, Who's I
Speaker 1: think gonna retire as the Chargers coach and Genty with
Speaker 1: the Raiders situation, you would have to bet on Jim
Speaker 1: Harbaugh and his running back. So, you know, I think
Speaker 1: a lot of teams in the league thought that Omarion
Speaker 1: Hampton was a big time player. Now Genty got all
Speaker 1: the buzz and all the hype. This guy's a stud Colling.
Speaker 1: They gave Naji Harris some money. I mean, think about
Speaker 1: the discussion when DK mex calf was on the block
Speaker 1: that the Chargers are going to go trade for him.
Speaker 1: It's like, guys, I never understand these people making these
Speaker 1: these guesses about what Harbaugh's gonna do. That is just
Speaker 1: so different from what he's done for fifteen twenty years
Speaker 1: offensive linemen, running backs. He'll he'll take another linebacker. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's the way he builds his team that they're gonna
Speaker 1: be good. I Mean, it was pretty clear last year
Speaker 1: with Denver and with the Chargers that was going to
Speaker 1: be the worst version of those two teams. Try Sean
Speaker 1: Payton and him moving forward, That's why the pressure on
Speaker 1: you know, each and Andy feel like we gotta stay
Speaker 1: We got to keep nailing picks. We got to keep
Speaker 1: being good because these guys are coming and listen, I'm
Speaker 1: not trying to be a Raider hater here. They're going
Speaker 1: to be better. But from a roster standpoint, to me.
Speaker 4: They were clearly the fourth operation in this division.
Speaker 2: So if you look at what they have now, they
Speaker 2: have their quarterback and Justin Herbert, they have their left
Speaker 2: and right tackle, Slater and Joe Halt. They have Nause Harris,
Speaker 2: who was clearly under you lie than under coached in Pittsburgh.
Speaker 2: I mean he even admitted Naji Harris acknowledged we didn't
Speaker 2: really have we didn't really have an identity in Pittsburgh,
Speaker 2: which they don't off actively. Now you've got Hampton the
Speaker 2: breakaway runner and Najee Harris the power runner the offense.
Speaker 2: Now now they're going to go interior, O lineman, sideline
Speaker 2: receiver and tied end at some point in this draft
Speaker 2: that's where they're going. It feels like it feels like
Speaker 2: to me, this is one of the more predictable teams
Speaker 2: in the draft because the defense, let's face it, last year,
Speaker 2: it overachieved or at least achieved to the level that
Speaker 2: should have with Brandon Staley. I think the Chargers. I
Speaker 2: think everybody in the ballpark knows what that Greg Roman
Speaker 2: needs juice and he just got a powder keg of it.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean I saw Greg Roman a decade ago with
Speaker 1: Frank Gore kicking everyone's ass, and that Harbaugh team their
Speaker 1: best receiver was Michael Crabtree. And I think we all
Speaker 1: believe that Justin Herbert has a chance. I know he
Speaker 1: had a really bad playoff game. Peyton Manning had a bunch.
Speaker 1: I mean, the NFL, you don't get a seven game series,
Speaker 1: so you have a bad playoff game. It leaves the
Speaker 1: stink in everyone's mouth. Do you want to sell Justin
Speaker 1: Herbert stock?
Speaker 4: I'll buy some.
Speaker 1: I would imagine Greg Roman says like, we like this
Speaker 1: quarterback a lot, and I don't blame him.
Speaker 4: So I think the Chargers listen.
Speaker 1: I mean, if I was a betting man, I would
Speaker 1: say that Jim Harbaugh is gonna end.
Speaker 4: His coaching career as a Super Bowl champion.
Speaker 1: Now, it might not happen in twenty twenty five, but
Speaker 1: they are going to be a major, major factor not
Speaker 1: just in the AFC, but in the NFL.
Speaker 4: I think over the next several years.
Speaker 1: I mean, this guy is basically six foot two hundred
Speaker 1: and twenty five pounds, runn a four four five.
Speaker 4: This guy's a stud.
Speaker 1: I mean, this guy part of when you draft this player,
Speaker 1: he's going to be with the nucleus of Alt and
Speaker 1: Slater and Herbert now for the next five six years. Like,
Speaker 1: this is part of that nucleus with some of the
Speaker 1: guys they drafted last year. And to me, if Naji,
Speaker 1: you know, for a while he got overdrafted. Yeah, looking back,
Speaker 1: you know he's a first round pick, but he's not
Speaker 1: that good.
Speaker 3: But he's a good role.
Speaker 1: Player, and I think sometimes in Pittsburgh they were very
Speaker 1: dependent on him. Now he just gets to be a
Speaker 1: role player for Jim Harball, who will mix these running
Speaker 1: backs in with Greg Roman and they will run the ball.
Speaker 1: Danniels row, They're gonna play defense and run the ball
Speaker 1: Danniars throw. He's been doing it. I mean, he probably
Speaker 1: wished he could have done it when he was a quarterback,
Speaker 1: and he's been doing it ever since he was a coach.
Speaker 1: So I couldn't be any more bullish on the Chargers
Speaker 1: at least shocking pick so far. At the night harp
Speaker 1: Aft took to go running back in the first round
Speaker 1: the Rams.
Speaker 2: So there were two beliefs with the La Rams. They
Speaker 2: really like Colston Loveland and they really liked rock Bowers
Speaker 2: last year. So McVay, who has a history with tight ends,
Speaker 2: would like to get a tight end. But I had
Speaker 2: talked to les Sneed during the off season. I talked
Speaker 2: to him probably two months ago and we just had
Speaker 2: a text exchange and he said, listen, it wouldn't crush
Speaker 2: us if we moved out of the first round because
Speaker 2: they don't have a second round pick.
Speaker 4: So yeah, they traded with Atlanta. So the Giants traded
Speaker 4: with the Texans, and then.
Speaker 2: So the Falcons at twenty six take James Pierce the
Speaker 2: Edge from Tennessee. So Atlanta's had a lousy pass rush forever,
Speaker 2: so I mean they have struggled with a pass rush,
Speaker 2: so that is predictable. Remember they've got Matt Judon last
Speaker 2: year from the New England Patriots. They thought would help.
Speaker 1: Listen to this, Colin, listen what Lesnie just did. So
Speaker 1: they traded with the Falcons. They get their second round pick,
Speaker 1: which is pick forty six, they get next year's first
Speaker 1: round pick.
Speaker 3: Oh jesus, so the Rams have nexteer ones next year.
Speaker 4: So the Rams.
Speaker 1: Now have you said they didn't have a second round pick, yeah,
Speaker 1: the Rams. So the Rams get a second round pick,
Speaker 1: now pick forty six, that's our first pick of this draft,
Speaker 1: and they get next year's Falcons one.
Speaker 2: Wow, and that will be a top fifteen pick.
Speaker 1: You would think that that seems to get to trade
Speaker 1: up to get James Pierce.
Speaker 4: Oh, I think that's Schniper.
Speaker 1: I think that's insane. I mean some of these, some
Speaker 1: of these trades, Colin, I just.
Speaker 3: I don't understand that.
Speaker 4: My mind around, I'm at a loss for words.
Speaker 2: You just got Atlanta's first round pick for James Pierce,
Speaker 2: the third to fourth best edge rusher in not a
Speaker 2: great edge rusher class.
Speaker 1: At least if you're trading a future first round pick
Speaker 1: and you get Travis Hunter, a guy that's never unprecedented
Speaker 1: what the guy just did probably since leather helmets, someone
Speaker 1: playing both ways, right, So.
Speaker 3: It was that s I mean, you're looking.
Speaker 1: I think it's crazy, but I given a future first
Speaker 1: round pick to do it, Like, at least you could
Speaker 1: justify it in the room, James Pierce, decent Rusher. I
Speaker 1: mean at pick twenty five, you don't trade a future
Speaker 1: first round pick to trade up for a player in
Speaker 1: the twenties.
Speaker 4: That's that can't happen, especially.
Speaker 1: A lot a d lineman. What defensive lineman is he
Speaker 1: off the board? Six or seven? I think how many
Speaker 1: guys have already come off the board that all these
Speaker 1: teams passed on?
Speaker 4: Jesus maybe one thing.
Speaker 1: If someone was falling because of a you know, like
Speaker 1: a Laramie Tunzel bong issue or something, you're like, well, this.
Speaker 4: Guy should have been the fourth pick in the draft.
Speaker 4: We're going all in. He's one of the most talented guys.
Speaker 4: That's crazy. That's well.
Speaker 2: Also, so the Rams will have two number one picks
Speaker 2: next year. There's in Atlantas, so you're gonna probably get
Speaker 2: one that's the top fifteen and one that's somewhere in
Speaker 2: the twenties.
Speaker 3: But remember.
Speaker 2: Stafford's there's a sense in the room. Stafford's got two
Speaker 2: years of the Rams left. So next year is the
Speaker 2: year you would draft a quarterback or later in this round,
Speaker 2: Later in this draft, like fourth round. Kyle McCord, Syracuse, Again,
Speaker 2: I feel like Cleveland took Jacksonville to the cleaners, and
Speaker 2: I feel like the Rams took Atlanta to the cleaners.
Speaker 1: How often I don't ever remember Jesus a team getting
Speaker 1: another team's first round pick.
Speaker 3: In a bad draft for the fifth best egge rusher.
Speaker 4: It was drafting twenty six.
Speaker 1: Usually, when you accumulate those first round picks, you're drafting really,
Speaker 1: really high. That has to be at first in the
Speaker 1: Internet era, I'm drafting twenty six and I trade back
Speaker 1: and I get to the team's first round pick, and
Speaker 1: I'm not trading a player, right, I'm not trading, you know,
Speaker 1: for DK Metcalf or Tyreek Hill or something. I'm literally
Speaker 1: just trading you pick twenty six. Now, the Rams also
Speaker 1: gave their third round pick this.
Speaker 2: Year, so well, they have two thirds and a fourth,
Speaker 2: so they have a second there. Now, let's they have
Speaker 2: a second, a third, a fourth, and four sixes.
Speaker 3: They don't have a lot of needs.
Speaker 2: John, they need a corner, an inside linebacker, they could
Speaker 2: use a tight end, and an offensive tackle.
Speaker 3: They need have four needs.
Speaker 1: And I understand that that Sean and Raheem are good buddies,
Speaker 1: but that felt like taking advantage of everybody. Now I
Speaker 1: do wonder for the GM, Terry Fontineau, for Raheem Morris.
Speaker 1: I mean, that owner's mid eighties. He has unlimited amounts
Speaker 1: of money. And you've talked about this for a long time.
Speaker 1: These owners now in basketball and football are firing guys
Speaker 1: paying you thirty million dollars away.
Speaker 4: Is couch change to them.
Speaker 1: I wonder if these guys pissed off the owner last
Speaker 1: year because they got over aggressive with Cousins and then
Speaker 1: they fell in love with what's penix after and then
Speaker 1: Cousins sucked. Now the owners meeting with Cousins, you know,
Speaker 1: because he's pissed off. He just gave him ninety million
Speaker 1: dollars and Cousins got a no trade clause, so it's
Speaker 1: not easy to just deal them. He's kind of got
Speaker 1: them by the balls and let's and then they missed
Speaker 1: the playoffs last year. You know, they hire the biggest
Speaker 1: staff in the league, and Raheem goes, well, we plan
Speaker 1: on losing coaches because he's acting like we're gonna be
Speaker 1: really good. They go under five hundred. I wonder if
Speaker 1: that owner is like, you guys better win and win now.
Speaker 1: I don't know how much longer I have. There's pressure
Speaker 1: on you, guys. This felt like one of those, like
Speaker 1: there's pressure from above the volume,