1 00:00:01,440 --> 00:00:02,080 Speaker 1: The volume. 2 00:00:09,520 --> 00:00:12,880 Speaker 2: All right, John Middlicoff, former NFL scout, we do. 3 00:00:14,600 --> 00:00:15,560 Speaker 3: We do this every year. 4 00:00:15,600 --> 00:00:18,600 Speaker 2: Obviously, we go through the first round picks and let's 5 00:00:18,600 --> 00:00:21,040 Speaker 2: not waste any time. Let's get past cam Ward at 6 00:00:21,079 --> 00:00:24,239 Speaker 2: number one. That was an easy one, the most interesting one, 7 00:00:25,200 --> 00:00:28,720 Speaker 2: and boy, my phone blew up. Cleveland got a haul. 8 00:00:29,320 --> 00:00:32,519 Speaker 2: I think, way too much for a non quarterback. So 9 00:00:32,560 --> 00:00:34,919 Speaker 2: Cleveland gets three of the top thirty six picks. Now, 10 00:00:34,920 --> 00:00:36,319 Speaker 2: if you add all the picks they got in from 11 00:00:36,320 --> 00:00:38,360 Speaker 2: the Jags next year, they're just doing that to get 12 00:00:38,360 --> 00:00:41,280 Speaker 2: a quarterback next year. So next year, of the top 13 00:00:41,320 --> 00:00:44,160 Speaker 2: thirty six picks, Cleveland has three of them. They got 14 00:00:44,200 --> 00:00:47,000 Speaker 2: a haul, and then they go down to number five 15 00:00:47,240 --> 00:00:49,519 Speaker 2: and you know, getting a starting defensive tackle. I'll get 16 00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:52,919 Speaker 2: to that in a second. But the GM for the Jags, 17 00:00:53,960 --> 00:00:56,560 Speaker 2: who I was told actually worked from home in Saint 18 00:00:56,600 --> 00:00:59,160 Speaker 2: Louis a lot even when he was a RAMS employee, 19 00:00:59,760 --> 00:01:02,280 Speaker 2: is a young kid. So this is the adult table 20 00:01:02,360 --> 00:01:06,280 Speaker 2: being a GM. I don't like the swing. Travis Hunter 21 00:01:06,319 --> 00:01:08,160 Speaker 2: is a great player, but unless he's a pro bowler 22 00:01:08,200 --> 00:01:10,080 Speaker 2: on both sides of the ball, it feels like way 23 00:01:10,120 --> 00:01:12,399 Speaker 2: too much to give up. And I think Cleveland was 24 00:01:12,400 --> 00:01:15,319 Speaker 2: clearly doing it to get Amo for next year's quarterback draft. 25 00:01:15,959 --> 00:01:16,119 Speaker 3: Yeah. 26 00:01:16,120 --> 00:01:18,520 Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's the easiest trade that Andrew 27 00:01:18,560 --> 00:01:20,840 Speaker 1: Berry and Kevin Stefanski will ever make. They might have 28 00:01:21,040 --> 00:01:23,640 Speaker 1: just got contract extensions from Haslam sitting behind him. 29 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:24,360 Speaker 4: In the draft room. 30 00:01:24,680 --> 00:01:27,000 Speaker 1: I'm with you, how can you make this trade, Colin? 31 00:01:27,040 --> 00:01:29,959 Speaker 1: When you don't know your team, you know, part of anyone, 32 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:32,240 Speaker 1: whether you're taking over a football team, taking over a business, 33 00:01:32,280 --> 00:01:34,880 Speaker 1: you got to let it settle and see what you have. Well, 34 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:37,040 Speaker 1: there's obviously no way. They haven't even been on the 35 00:01:37,040 --> 00:01:39,160 Speaker 1: field in shorts and T shirts. They don't know if 36 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:41,479 Speaker 1: their quarterback's any good, they don't know how talented their 37 00:01:41,600 --> 00:01:45,440 Speaker 1: unit is. I get the ownership there, as you know, 38 00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:50,080 Speaker 1: flush with money and aggressive and everything, but I think 39 00:01:50,120 --> 00:01:54,080 Speaker 1: being this aggressive for Liam Cohen and Gladstone, the young 40 00:01:54,160 --> 00:01:56,800 Speaker 1: thirty four year old GM, when they have never worked 41 00:01:56,800 --> 00:01:58,960 Speaker 1: with the players on their team. It's one thing if 42 00:01:59,320 --> 00:02:01,080 Speaker 1: you had been around for a couple of years and 43 00:02:01,120 --> 00:02:03,200 Speaker 1: you have a pretty good feel like we're a player 44 00:02:03,280 --> 00:02:06,560 Speaker 1: or two away, let's swing for the fences. That's insane, Colin, 45 00:02:06,640 --> 00:02:09,000 Speaker 1: to throw away your next year's first round pick. And 46 00:02:09,080 --> 00:02:11,400 Speaker 1: I get it he was. He had a front row 47 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:14,240 Speaker 1: seat there for Les and Shawn trading all those first 48 00:02:14,320 --> 00:02:17,200 Speaker 1: round picks over the years, they were typically a player 49 00:02:17,320 --> 00:02:19,519 Speaker 1: or two away, right though with the Rams, So I 50 00:02:20,320 --> 00:02:22,960 Speaker 1: thought it was for a non quarterback. I mean, we've 51 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:24,760 Speaker 1: seen some off the forty nine ers made one for 52 00:02:24,880 --> 00:02:27,480 Speaker 1: trade lance. I think it's one of the craziest Draft 53 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:29,520 Speaker 1: day trades I can remember for a non quarterback. 54 00:02:29,800 --> 00:02:31,679 Speaker 2: I'm trying to think of the last time I got 55 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:39,440 Speaker 2: three texts from NFL employees and all went mistake by 56 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:43,320 Speaker 2: the Jacks, like all landed on the same spot. And 57 00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:46,280 Speaker 2: this is a very young GM. And again, Travis Hunter 58 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:50,480 Speaker 2: is going to be a really sensational talent, there's no question. 59 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:53,239 Speaker 2: But there's also going to be some growing pains on 60 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:55,360 Speaker 2: the fact that he's not going to be in meetings 61 00:02:55,520 --> 00:02:58,600 Speaker 2: for one side of the ball on a regular basis. So, 62 00:02:58,760 --> 00:03:01,840 Speaker 2: and I mean, listen, this really isn't as much about 63 00:03:01,880 --> 00:03:04,320 Speaker 2: the Jags as it is Cleveland. They're trying to get 64 00:03:04,320 --> 00:03:07,680 Speaker 2: out from this tonnage of Deshaun Watson's contract, and the 65 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:09,720 Speaker 2: way to do it is get a star quarterback. I mean, 66 00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:11,959 Speaker 2: that's how the Broncos got out from the ton of 67 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:14,480 Speaker 2: Jeer Russell Wilson. They got bo Nicks, who will be 68 00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:18,560 Speaker 2: free for four years. So yeah, I didn't. I didn't 69 00:03:18,639 --> 00:03:22,280 Speaker 2: like it at all. I just think, you know, we 70 00:03:22,280 --> 00:03:25,480 Speaker 2: could always take shots at Cleveland. But I've always been 71 00:03:25,520 --> 00:03:28,440 Speaker 2: a Stefanski fan, and I have people that really like 72 00:03:28,520 --> 00:03:31,720 Speaker 2: Andrew Berry. I think this is a really easy deal 73 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:33,480 Speaker 2: to make. And then, by the way, you slide down 74 00:03:33,600 --> 00:03:37,720 Speaker 2: to five. Now, a lot of people think Mason Graham 75 00:03:37,760 --> 00:03:41,520 Speaker 2: is more in the eight to twelve range as a 76 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:43,960 Speaker 2: draft pick because it's ceilings low, and I think in 77 00:03:44,080 --> 00:03:47,880 Speaker 2: most years that would be fair. One of the people 78 00:03:47,920 --> 00:03:51,760 Speaker 2: that loved what Cleveland did didn't love Mason Graham as 79 00:03:51,800 --> 00:03:54,480 Speaker 2: a number five pick. He said he's closer to ten 80 00:03:54,520 --> 00:03:56,920 Speaker 2: than he is to five. But again, he's going to start, 81 00:03:57,600 --> 00:04:01,880 Speaker 2: you know in that division, Northern Division, it's a rugged division. 82 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:06,120 Speaker 2: Did you like what Cleveland did at five with Graham 83 00:04:06,280 --> 00:04:10,360 Speaker 2: after making a pretty shrewd move to get all those picks? 84 00:04:10,640 --> 00:04:12,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, to me, the note that I wrote down, I mean, 85 00:04:12,640 --> 00:04:15,320 Speaker 1: Travis Hunter for Cleveland doesn't do that much right. 86 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:16,720 Speaker 4: I mean, there are. 87 00:04:16,240 --> 00:04:19,919 Speaker 1: Several players away in their quarterback situation's disaster. When you 88 00:04:19,960 --> 00:04:22,640 Speaker 1: think Mason Graham, and you watch the way Michigan's played 89 00:04:22,640 --> 00:04:24,680 Speaker 1: the last couple of years obviously in that area. Too 90 00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:28,120 Speaker 1: ideal for the AFC North like that, that'd be my thing. 91 00:04:28,160 --> 00:04:30,320 Speaker 1: Like that guy is just made do play in cold 92 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:33,800 Speaker 1: weather against Pittsburgh against Baltimore. Yeah, teams that want to 93 00:04:33,839 --> 00:04:35,640 Speaker 1: play physical, slow down the game. 94 00:04:36,200 --> 00:04:38,120 Speaker 4: So I listen, this is draft. 95 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:42,080 Speaker 1: I mean McMillan went eight, Kelvin Banks went nine. I 96 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:45,880 Speaker 1: mean this wasn't exactly Tony Boselli, you know, and Miles 97 00:04:45,920 --> 00:04:48,640 Speaker 1: Garrett coming off the board here right in this ragne. 98 00:04:48,720 --> 00:04:51,960 Speaker 1: So I have no problem with going Mason Graham to 99 00:04:52,040 --> 00:04:54,400 Speaker 1: me where they could have taken me and you colin 100 00:04:54,520 --> 00:04:57,400 Speaker 1: the moment they made that trade, Cleveland won the draft. 101 00:04:57,480 --> 00:05:00,839 Speaker 1: Yeah they get next year's to me, the likelihood Jacksonville 102 00:05:01,160 --> 00:05:04,000 Speaker 1: first time head coach, young coaching staff. 103 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:05,960 Speaker 4: I mean, they could easily be a five to six 104 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:06,440 Speaker 4: win team. 105 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:09,640 Speaker 1: We do not know if their quarterback is good and 106 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:11,800 Speaker 1: he has struggled to stay healthy. And I get Liam 107 00:05:11,839 --> 00:05:14,920 Speaker 1: Cohen had a big year with Baker Mayfield, but Baker 108 00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:18,120 Speaker 1: he did resurrect. Baker Mayfield was good the previous year too. 109 00:05:18,200 --> 00:05:20,760 Speaker 1: That's how Dave Canalis got a job. So it's not 110 00:05:20,800 --> 00:05:23,240 Speaker 1: like he just made Baker Mayfield. Baker Mayfields now two 111 00:05:23,320 --> 00:05:26,560 Speaker 1: good years in a row. So I think that the 112 00:05:26,640 --> 00:05:30,120 Speaker 1: Cleveland again could have taken anybody the moment they got 113 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:31,800 Speaker 1: the future one and the second. 114 00:05:32,200 --> 00:05:33,599 Speaker 4: Think how often we see. 115 00:05:33,440 --> 00:05:36,200 Speaker 1: Good players get drafted in the thirties. Happens every year, 116 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:38,680 Speaker 1: regardless how good the draft is, because the same type 117 00:05:38,760 --> 00:05:41,800 Speaker 1: player is there in the mid thirties. It can be 118 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:44,599 Speaker 1: impact starters that you get for like one point five 119 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:45,440 Speaker 1: million dollars a year. 120 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:49,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's what to your point is Cleveland gets 121 00:05:49,480 --> 00:05:53,040 Speaker 2: Jacksonville's first round pick next year. What's crazy about that 122 00:05:53,440 --> 00:05:56,560 Speaker 2: is that could be a top six pick easy. 123 00:05:57,040 --> 00:05:58,440 Speaker 3: I mean, that is nuts. 124 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:01,680 Speaker 1: We've seen it happen a couple of years in a 125 00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:05,240 Speaker 1: row where the Lions benefited. The one year when they 126 00:06:05,279 --> 00:06:08,880 Speaker 1: had the Stafford trade and the Rams had that awful 127 00:06:08,960 --> 00:06:11,359 Speaker 1: year and McVeagh like thought about quitting football to go 128 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:14,000 Speaker 1: work at Amazon. They got a top what they got 129 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:16,479 Speaker 1: the six pick that they turned into Laporta in Gibbs. 130 00:06:16,920 --> 00:06:19,880 Speaker 1: We saw it the year when Denver was awful and 131 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:22,880 Speaker 1: Seattle got a really high pick and took Witherspoon. We 132 00:06:22,960 --> 00:06:26,200 Speaker 1: have seen these future ones on. It's usually a player 133 00:06:26,279 --> 00:06:30,200 Speaker 1: trade Russell Wilson, Matt Stafford, whatever, but sometimes on a 134 00:06:30,279 --> 00:06:34,880 Speaker 1: draft day trade remembers Chicago traded from twenty to eleven. 135 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:37,120 Speaker 4: Yes, with the Giants, and. 136 00:06:37,080 --> 00:06:40,159 Speaker 1: Then they were terrible the next year, and the Giants 137 00:06:40,160 --> 00:06:43,320 Speaker 1: got multiple picks in the top ten. Now, you still 138 00:06:43,320 --> 00:06:46,640 Speaker 1: got to make the right pick with that selection. But 139 00:06:46,839 --> 00:06:50,800 Speaker 1: the amount of flexibility if you let's assume Cleveland isn't 140 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:53,039 Speaker 1: going to be that good, I mean their quarterback situation disaster. 141 00:06:53,560 --> 00:06:56,640 Speaker 1: If I tell you next year they have picked five 142 00:06:56,720 --> 00:06:58,920 Speaker 1: and nine, yeah, you got a lot to work with. 143 00:06:59,160 --> 00:07:00,640 Speaker 3: That's why they made the move. 144 00:07:01,400 --> 00:07:03,359 Speaker 2: This was a real obvious one to me, and I 145 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:07,680 Speaker 2: had mentioned this multiple times. Geno Smith with a run game, 146 00:07:08,200 --> 00:07:12,680 Speaker 2: throwing on play action, is actually a pretty good quarterback. 147 00:07:12,720 --> 00:07:15,640 Speaker 2: He's very Sam Darnald. When he gave Sam a little 148 00:07:15,640 --> 00:07:18,160 Speaker 2: protection and a run game, and he can throw when 149 00:07:18,160 --> 00:07:21,400 Speaker 2: nobody's quite sure he's throwing. He's very effective. When you 150 00:07:21,480 --> 00:07:24,280 Speaker 2: force Donald or Gino Smith to throw on third and eleven, 151 00:07:24,680 --> 00:07:27,480 Speaker 2: or they have to throw it a beat fast, that's 152 00:07:27,520 --> 00:07:31,160 Speaker 2: when you get the mistakes. I thought genty and I 153 00:07:31,200 --> 00:07:33,640 Speaker 2: also wonder this, if you look at Pete Carroll's history. 154 00:07:33,680 --> 00:07:39,040 Speaker 2: He's old school, Marshawn Lynch, Reggie Bush, Lendale White. His 155 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:44,280 Speaker 2: great teams have had stars in the backfield, which sets 156 00:07:44,320 --> 00:07:47,520 Speaker 2: the table for his offense. Pete hates mistakes by quarterbacks 157 00:07:47,880 --> 00:07:51,080 Speaker 2: and Geno doesn't make a ton when he's throwing on 158 00:07:51,160 --> 00:07:51,720 Speaker 2: play action. 159 00:07:51,960 --> 00:07:55,920 Speaker 3: So I think Genty, I love that pick for the Raiders. 160 00:07:56,800 --> 00:07:57,840 Speaker 4: I have been. 161 00:07:59,760 --> 00:08:03,480 Speaker 1: Probably one of the counterculture movements here with this asmin 162 00:08:03,520 --> 00:08:05,160 Speaker 1: gent like hype. 163 00:08:05,200 --> 00:08:05,960 Speaker 4: I mean, people have been. 164 00:08:05,880 --> 00:08:09,240 Speaker 1: Comparing to Barry Sanders or you know, Ladanian Tomlinson. I 165 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:11,800 Speaker 1: think any time that you compare a player to the 166 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:14,000 Speaker 1: greatest of all time, it's like when you're comparing cam 167 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:15,720 Speaker 1: Ward to Patrick Holmes, we gotta tell you to pump 168 00:08:15,760 --> 00:08:19,160 Speaker 1: the brakes. But I you know, listen Kenneth Walker who 169 00:08:19,320 --> 00:08:23,080 Speaker 1: was picked later when he was healthy for Seattle with Charbonade. 170 00:08:23,080 --> 00:08:24,920 Speaker 1: Their run game was good, like you said, Gino was 171 00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:28,320 Speaker 1: really really GOODEP. My issue here is, like I have 172 00:08:28,480 --> 00:08:31,280 Speaker 1: experience in the Mountain West. I know the difference in 173 00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:35,040 Speaker 1: the competition relative to the Big Ten and obviously the SEC. 174 00:08:35,200 --> 00:08:36,160 Speaker 4: It is dramatic. 175 00:08:36,280 --> 00:08:39,960 Speaker 1: Now in an individual, like in a vacuum, he has 176 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:43,000 Speaker 1: a special talent, and he had the opportunity to surely 177 00:08:43,040 --> 00:08:45,200 Speaker 1: go to Texas or Ohio State. He turned down money. 178 00:08:45,240 --> 00:08:48,160 Speaker 1: So it wasn't like people didn't want him. But like 179 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:51,520 Speaker 1: playing against Washington State, New Mexico, Fresno State, and San 180 00:08:51,559 --> 00:08:54,120 Speaker 1: Diego State is going to be a little different animal 181 00:08:54,160 --> 00:08:57,760 Speaker 1: than the Chargers, Denver and Kansas City, which you could 182 00:08:57,840 --> 00:09:00,600 Speaker 1: argue is the best defensive division in the sport. We 183 00:09:00,640 --> 00:09:02,640 Speaker 1: know Mentor and how good the charges are, so it's 184 00:09:02,640 --> 00:09:03,920 Speaker 1: just gonna be difficult for him. 185 00:09:03,920 --> 00:09:04,720 Speaker 4: We saw this year. 186 00:09:04,880 --> 00:09:07,600 Speaker 1: You know, I don't the Raiders offensive line's okay, but 187 00:09:08,200 --> 00:09:11,160 Speaker 1: it's it's gonna be tough. I just I get it. 188 00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:15,280 Speaker 1: I honestly thought they would go with a lineman there, 189 00:09:15,400 --> 00:09:17,839 Speaker 1: especially a defensive lineman. You know, remember Pete Carroll over 190 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:20,840 Speaker 1: the years has now it hasn't always worked out. Bruce Irvin, 191 00:09:21,520 --> 00:09:23,960 Speaker 1: I thought he would be aggressive there. But you know 192 00:09:24,040 --> 00:09:25,920 Speaker 1: that they swung for the fences. It gives them some 193 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:28,360 Speaker 1: star power that there's no disputing. It makes them more 194 00:09:28,400 --> 00:09:32,000 Speaker 1: interesting to watch because they they were an unwatchable product 195 00:09:32,040 --> 00:09:34,160 Speaker 1: the last couple of years. So Austin gent Tp Carroll, 196 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:37,600 Speaker 1: Gino Smith, I'll pay attention. I still I mean, I'm 197 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:39,720 Speaker 1: not picking them to win that many games based on 198 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:41,680 Speaker 1: what we what we have on the roster right now. 199 00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:46,120 Speaker 2: Colston Lovelin was plus six fifty to be the number 200 00:09:46,160 --> 00:09:49,480 Speaker 2: ten pick. He he's a very unique player, so I 201 00:09:49,559 --> 00:09:51,920 Speaker 2: know three t I mean, the Rams and Chargers both 202 00:09:52,040 --> 00:09:54,920 Speaker 2: liked him. The Bears obviously liked him, and even with 203 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:58,160 Speaker 2: cole Comett, they now have DJ Moore, Keenan Allen, cole Comett, 204 00:09:58,400 --> 00:10:02,160 Speaker 2: Colston Loveland. They went and got Dolman, the center from Atlanta, 205 00:10:02,280 --> 00:10:06,480 Speaker 2: Joe Tooney. They liked their right tackle. I was texting 206 00:10:06,520 --> 00:10:10,760 Speaker 2: somebody in the league about this, and one of the 207 00:10:10,760 --> 00:10:14,559 Speaker 2: things we both landed at was the future of this franchise. 208 00:10:14,640 --> 00:10:17,960 Speaker 2: They've never had a great quarterback is Caleb Williams. You 209 00:10:18,280 --> 00:10:20,680 Speaker 2: have to make it work. You know the talents there 210 00:10:21,160 --> 00:10:23,440 Speaker 2: and this is like this is like weapons plus plus 211 00:10:23,440 --> 00:10:25,679 Speaker 2: plus plus plus. You have to make this work. 212 00:10:27,200 --> 00:10:29,679 Speaker 1: I don't remember a young quarterback on a second year 213 00:10:29,679 --> 00:10:33,800 Speaker 1: of a rookie deal getting more help. They go outside 214 00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:36,000 Speaker 1: Ben Johnson, whose I would say, one of the more 215 00:10:36,080 --> 00:10:40,080 Speaker 1: hyped doc's of the last decade. Yeah, you mentioned you 216 00:10:40,120 --> 00:10:43,360 Speaker 1: forgot the Rams offensive lineman that they also traded for 217 00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:45,400 Speaker 1: that Ben Johnson had coached in Detroit. 218 00:10:45,440 --> 00:10:46,280 Speaker 4: So they get a new. 219 00:10:46,160 --> 00:10:49,840 Speaker 1: Center, two new guards they already hadn't invested in tackles. 220 00:10:50,120 --> 00:10:52,040 Speaker 1: DJ Moore is one of the more verstable players in 221 00:10:52,080 --> 00:10:54,840 Speaker 1: the league. They invested the ninth pick last year into 222 00:10:54,920 --> 00:10:55,800 Speaker 1: Roma Dude Day. 223 00:10:55,920 --> 00:10:56,160 Speaker 3: Yeah. 224 00:10:56,720 --> 00:10:58,200 Speaker 4: So it's like, if you're. 225 00:10:58,040 --> 00:11:00,920 Speaker 1: A Chicago their defensive personnels are good and they have 226 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:04,840 Speaker 1: an established defensive coordinator in Dennis Allen coming. You know, 227 00:11:04,880 --> 00:11:06,880 Speaker 1: the hype that was behind the Bears last year I 228 00:11:06,880 --> 00:11:10,040 Speaker 1: thought was crazy. I do think there's some substance now 229 00:11:10,080 --> 00:11:11,760 Speaker 1: behind this. Now, I don't know if it's gonna work. 230 00:11:12,440 --> 00:11:14,360 Speaker 1: I gotta let it breathe here for a month or two. 231 00:11:14,720 --> 00:11:17,560 Speaker 1: But there is, you know, legitimate pieces on the offensive, 232 00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:20,520 Speaker 1: a defensive line, a play caller that knows what he's doing, 233 00:11:20,800 --> 00:11:22,800 Speaker 1: a defensive coordinator. You know, ebra Flus had to be 234 00:11:22,840 --> 00:11:25,160 Speaker 1: the defensive coordinator and the head coach. He was completely 235 00:11:25,160 --> 00:11:27,160 Speaker 1: over his head as a head coach. Good defensive coordinator. 236 00:11:27,280 --> 00:11:30,080 Speaker 1: Now Dennis Allen can just focus on the defense. Ben 237 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:32,600 Speaker 1: can just be the head coach, slash the offensive coordinator 238 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:35,680 Speaker 1: and really just focus on Caleb. To me, the question 239 00:11:35,800 --> 00:11:38,400 Speaker 1: is going to be and I think this is the 240 00:11:38,480 --> 00:11:41,679 Speaker 1: working thing with all these young quarterbacks moving into the league. 241 00:11:41,960 --> 00:11:43,480 Speaker 1: Can they teach him to get rid of the ball 242 00:11:43,559 --> 00:11:46,840 Speaker 1: quicker and play in a more rhythm timing offense, run 243 00:11:46,920 --> 00:11:50,560 Speaker 1: the ball more like they did in Detroit because and 244 00:11:50,559 --> 00:11:52,040 Speaker 1: the one thing they got going against him is the 245 00:11:52,080 --> 00:11:54,240 Speaker 1: division is really really good. So it's not like it's 246 00:11:54,800 --> 00:11:57,199 Speaker 1: hard to win ten games, especially a franchise that has 247 00:11:57,240 --> 00:12:00,760 Speaker 1: not been winning. But I would feel much. I know 248 00:12:00,840 --> 00:12:03,079 Speaker 1: the hype was so crazy last year behind the Bears. 249 00:12:03,120 --> 00:12:05,040 Speaker 1: If I was a Bears fan right now, I would 250 00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:07,839 Speaker 1: just feel like we have a real identity and team 251 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:08,440 Speaker 1: right now. 252 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:11,839 Speaker 2: Well, and I also think if you go look at 253 00:12:11,840 --> 00:12:15,440 Speaker 2: what happens at the end of the year, it is 254 00:12:15,559 --> 00:12:19,400 Speaker 2: really hard even if you have a great defensive team. Remember, statistically, 255 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:22,280 Speaker 2: defensive players get hurt more than offensive players. It's a 256 00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:27,280 Speaker 2: more reckless side of the ball. And so what if 257 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:31,200 Speaker 2: you start looking at the end of years. Great Niner 258 00:12:31,280 --> 00:12:35,000 Speaker 2: defenses two three years ago can get carved up. Good 259 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:39,160 Speaker 2: Philadelphia defenses can get carved up. And my takeaway is 260 00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:41,880 Speaker 2: if you're like Pittsburgh's got all sorts of defensive talent, 261 00:12:42,360 --> 00:12:45,679 Speaker 2: the Bears are like listen, historically they would go. Over 262 00:12:45,720 --> 00:12:48,560 Speaker 2: the last fifteen years, they've had very good defensive players. 263 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:51,560 Speaker 2: If you're going to be if you're going to be 264 00:12:51,760 --> 00:12:54,320 Speaker 2: heavy on one side of the ball, if you're gonna 265 00:12:54,320 --> 00:12:57,600 Speaker 2: make mistakes, if roma Dunza's a mistake, it's the right 266 00:12:57,720 --> 00:12:59,680 Speaker 2: side of the ball to make a mistake, not a 267 00:12:59,760 --> 00:13:03,040 Speaker 2: safe or an off ball linebacker. Like I look at 268 00:13:03,080 --> 00:13:05,719 Speaker 2: it and I think to myself, there are not a 269 00:13:05,760 --> 00:13:07,920 Speaker 2: lot of teams in this league, John that have Colcombe 270 00:13:07,920 --> 00:13:11,319 Speaker 2: at Colston Loveland at tight end. And by the way, 271 00:13:11,360 --> 00:13:13,880 Speaker 2: for a young quarterback, tight ends are a great ally. 272 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:15,320 Speaker 3: Yeah. 273 00:13:15,440 --> 00:13:16,040 Speaker 4: Two things. 274 00:13:16,320 --> 00:13:18,920 Speaker 1: You know, we talked so much the hype on Tyler Warren, 275 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:21,560 Speaker 1: I mean his team because Michigan was bad this year 276 00:13:21,600 --> 00:13:24,120 Speaker 1: and Loveland had gotten injured, he became kind of the 277 00:13:24,120 --> 00:13:25,360 Speaker 1: apple of everyone's eye. 278 00:13:26,360 --> 00:13:27,040 Speaker 4: He's massive. 279 00:13:27,440 --> 00:13:30,839 Speaker 1: Well, it's not like Loveland's small. He's basically six six, 280 00:13:30,960 --> 00:13:35,679 Speaker 1: two fifty. He's huge. How about Harball as a talent evaluator, 281 00:13:35,880 --> 00:13:37,520 Speaker 1: I mean, I think they sent a record last year 282 00:13:37,559 --> 00:13:40,240 Speaker 1: for guys getting drafted in a class. They just they 283 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:41,120 Speaker 1: had an awful team. 284 00:13:41,160 --> 00:13:41,520 Speaker 4: This year. 285 00:13:41,640 --> 00:13:43,800 Speaker 1: They had three guys get drafted in the in the 286 00:13:43,800 --> 00:13:44,880 Speaker 1: top thirteen picks. 287 00:13:44,920 --> 00:13:46,400 Speaker 4: The two of them were defensive tackles. 288 00:13:46,559 --> 00:13:50,040 Speaker 1: I mean, I mean the Harbaugh say what you want. 289 00:13:50,880 --> 00:13:53,720 Speaker 1: That guy can evaluate young men to play football. 290 00:13:53,760 --> 00:13:55,079 Speaker 3: Holy Molly well. 291 00:13:55,320 --> 00:13:57,640 Speaker 2: And by the way, that's why when the Charger I 292 00:13:57,640 --> 00:13:59,560 Speaker 2: remember talking to Dean Spanish about this, I said, you're 293 00:13:59,559 --> 00:14:02,160 Speaker 2: gonna get the next two years. You guys will draft 294 00:14:02,160 --> 00:14:05,080 Speaker 2: as well as anybody. Because Jim recruited all these players. 295 00:14:05,320 --> 00:14:07,560 Speaker 2: It was about the thirdieth first two years for Pete 296 00:14:07,559 --> 00:14:10,040 Speaker 2: Carolyn Seattle. Probably the first two to three years Pete 297 00:14:10,040 --> 00:14:12,720 Speaker 2: crush the draft, and then by year four, five, and six, 298 00:14:12,960 --> 00:14:16,360 Speaker 2: you just lose a connectivity to college football. But Harball 299 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:19,240 Speaker 2: last year, great draft. This year will be a stupendous draft, 300 00:14:19,440 --> 00:14:21,720 Speaker 2: and he's probably got them one more year where you 301 00:14:21,800 --> 00:14:26,560 Speaker 2: recruited guys and saw him on tape. The NBA eighty 302 00:14:26,640 --> 00:14:30,400 Speaker 2: two game grind is done. 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Have I told you this before they went 341 00:16:10,120 --> 00:16:17,000 Speaker 2: and drafted Imika Egbuka, the wide receiver at Ohio State. 342 00:16:17,440 --> 00:16:26,440 Speaker 2: I I believe most general managers believe he is one 343 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:29,520 Speaker 2: of one, the best receiver or the only receiver to 344 00:16:29,520 --> 00:16:31,520 Speaker 2: be a first round receiver. I think the Texas kid 345 00:16:32,120 --> 00:16:36,000 Speaker 2: as a late first rounder. Everybody I talk to love him, 346 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:39,040 Speaker 2: and what's great is he can play sideline. But he 347 00:16:39,080 --> 00:16:41,880 Speaker 2: didn't take that many snaps outside for Oil State for 348 00:16:41,920 --> 00:16:45,400 Speaker 2: obvious reasons. They're stacked at quarterback with Jeremiah Smith or 349 00:16:45,680 --> 00:16:49,280 Speaker 2: at receiver. They're stacked. They don't need sideline receivers. He 350 00:16:49,280 --> 00:16:51,720 Speaker 2: would be a sideline receiver or a slot receiver any 351 00:16:51,720 --> 00:16:54,520 Speaker 2: other program in the country except like Ohio State and 352 00:16:54,560 --> 00:16:57,440 Speaker 2: Alabama because they have so many great players, so he'll 353 00:16:57,520 --> 00:17:01,480 Speaker 2: come in and immediately play for them. I think he 354 00:17:01,600 --> 00:17:03,880 Speaker 2: is a prime example because he's not a burner John. 355 00:17:04,200 --> 00:17:10,520 Speaker 2: He's a prime example of maturity, interviews, professionalism that could 356 00:17:10,560 --> 00:17:12,639 Speaker 2: have moved him up ten to twelve spots. He was 357 00:17:12,680 --> 00:17:16,840 Speaker 2: considered a second round talent the minute the season ended. 358 00:17:17,960 --> 00:17:21,639 Speaker 2: His value beyond being excellent, is he is considered a 359 00:17:21,760 --> 00:17:25,520 Speaker 2: mature in a league where we're having wide receiver divas 360 00:17:25,600 --> 00:17:29,919 Speaker 2: emerge like every weekend. I think his personality is a 361 00:17:30,040 --> 00:17:32,240 Speaker 2: huge part of him going this high. 362 00:17:32,480 --> 00:17:35,080 Speaker 1: Well, one thing I remember the stat last year when 363 00:17:35,160 --> 00:17:38,320 Speaker 1: the Week one is that Tampa had like forty three 364 00:17:38,400 --> 00:17:42,160 Speaker 1: or forty four drafted players on their fifty three man roster. 365 00:17:42,960 --> 00:17:46,160 Speaker 1: Jason light has been, if not the best, a top 366 00:17:46,200 --> 00:17:48,560 Speaker 1: two or three drafter over the last five or six years. 367 00:17:49,200 --> 00:17:49,800 Speaker 4: And when you. 368 00:17:49,720 --> 00:17:52,639 Speaker 1: Look in, you know the Baker that you originally started 369 00:17:52,640 --> 00:17:56,160 Speaker 1: talking about back at Oklahoma is a completely different human being. 370 00:17:56,200 --> 00:18:00,360 Speaker 1: Now Tampa's got a really high level team. Know from 371 00:18:00,440 --> 00:18:04,200 Speaker 1: Wharfs to Mike Evans to Vita Vea. I mean, their 372 00:18:04,240 --> 00:18:08,000 Speaker 1: guys on their squad are just like Honestly, Jason Light 373 00:18:08,080 --> 00:18:11,600 Speaker 1: comes from New England and I'm talking the Vrabel Bruskie 374 00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:14,560 Speaker 1: New England days with Tom Brady. He's kind of built 375 00:18:14,600 --> 00:18:18,240 Speaker 1: that version with Baker Mayfield as his quarterback. Super smart, 376 00:18:18,320 --> 00:18:18,880 Speaker 1: super tough. 377 00:18:18,920 --> 00:18:21,239 Speaker 2: Steve Kim told me he thought Jason Light was one 378 00:18:21,280 --> 00:18:25,400 Speaker 2: of the best scouts he'd ever followed it. Ki Kime 379 00:18:25,480 --> 00:18:27,840 Speaker 2: told me because I always told we. Kim got in 380 00:18:27,960 --> 00:18:30,000 Speaker 2: and got into a discussion with me about two years ago. 381 00:18:30,359 --> 00:18:34,480 Speaker 2: We're smoking cigars, and I said, you ever noticed every 382 00:18:34,520 --> 00:18:37,199 Speaker 2: Buccaneers team is stacked. They just couldn't get the quarterback 383 00:18:37,280 --> 00:18:39,840 Speaker 2: right before Brady. But like and he goes, oh, yeah, 384 00:18:39,840 --> 00:18:43,239 Speaker 2: it's Jason. He goes that he is. He is as 385 00:18:43,320 --> 00:18:46,240 Speaker 2: good a scout as we've had in this league. He goes, 386 00:18:46,280 --> 00:18:49,639 Speaker 2: he just didn't miss he was so good. You know, 387 00:18:49,640 --> 00:18:51,159 Speaker 2: that's and that's how you become a GM. You're a 388 00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:51,800 Speaker 2: great scout. 389 00:18:51,840 --> 00:18:55,520 Speaker 1: Initially, well, they built their offensive line from taking smaller 390 00:18:55,560 --> 00:19:00,280 Speaker 1: school tackles and tournament at guards and centers, and you know, 391 00:19:00,320 --> 00:19:03,040 Speaker 1: obviously they've had Mike Evans to kind of settle in 392 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:06,239 Speaker 1: Vida Vey as like a stalwart players minus, you know, 393 00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:09,840 Speaker 1: separate from Tom Brady. But yeah, I mean you tell 394 00:19:09,880 --> 00:19:13,000 Speaker 1: me he could have drafted anybody. It'd be like, yeah, 395 00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:15,040 Speaker 1: I like to pick now. Like you said, I mean, 396 00:19:15,040 --> 00:19:17,680 Speaker 1: this guy, what didn't he set records at Ohio State 397 00:19:18,080 --> 00:19:21,040 Speaker 1: for yards, catches games. I mean, he's he's a stud. 398 00:19:22,760 --> 00:19:24,879 Speaker 1: The other thing is when you go to a team 399 00:19:25,040 --> 00:19:27,520 Speaker 1: that has I mean they re signed God when they 400 00:19:27,520 --> 00:19:29,080 Speaker 1: got him on a cheaper number because he remember he 401 00:19:29,080 --> 00:19:32,400 Speaker 1: shattered his ankle. Obviously they still have Evans, this guy 402 00:19:32,920 --> 00:19:36,159 Speaker 1: the pressure on him to They're not gonna need him 403 00:19:36,200 --> 00:19:39,120 Speaker 1: to catch seventy balls next year. Their running game last 404 00:19:39,160 --> 00:19:43,400 Speaker 1: year with Bucky Irving, I mean their team honestly, they 405 00:19:43,560 --> 00:19:46,080 Speaker 1: in a weird way underachieved because they had so many 406 00:19:46,119 --> 00:19:48,679 Speaker 1: injuries the second half of the season. On defense, they 407 00:19:48,680 --> 00:19:52,360 Speaker 1: couldn't stop anybody. To me, if they are healthy, there's 408 00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:55,119 Speaker 1: a pretty big gap in that division if they're healthy, 409 00:19:55,640 --> 00:19:57,719 Speaker 1: like between them and the number two team. Like, the 410 00:19:57,720 --> 00:20:00,199 Speaker 1: only reason it was close between them and Atlanta this 411 00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:02,800 Speaker 1: year is because they had a million injuries on defense. 412 00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:05,639 Speaker 4: But like, they're a much better run organization. 413 00:20:06,840 --> 00:20:08,760 Speaker 1: You know what Baker's turned into the like, there's no 414 00:20:08,840 --> 00:20:11,560 Speaker 1: disputing Baker's really become the last two years a top 415 00:20:11,600 --> 00:20:16,159 Speaker 1: ten quarterback. Yeah, and clearly just his maturation. Like a 416 00:20:16,160 --> 00:20:17,879 Speaker 1: lot of us guys, you know, in the late twenties, 417 00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:19,600 Speaker 1: it kicks in. He gets married, has a kid, and 418 00:20:19,640 --> 00:20:20,320 Speaker 1: he's a different guy. 419 00:20:20,359 --> 00:20:20,800 Speaker 4: And as a. 420 00:20:20,760 --> 00:20:24,680 Speaker 1: Player, he plays much faster, had slimmed down. His arm's 421 00:20:24,680 --> 00:20:28,320 Speaker 1: always been great. And now he's got three with Obuka, 422 00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:31,639 Speaker 1: with Mike Evans and Godwin and running backs and a 423 00:20:31,640 --> 00:20:34,520 Speaker 1: good offensive line. I mean that their offense should be 424 00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:35,280 Speaker 1: really good. 425 00:20:35,320 --> 00:20:35,639 Speaker 4: Colin. 426 00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:39,760 Speaker 2: Now, if you look at the draft so far, there's 427 00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:44,080 Speaker 2: only two players that I believe can turn losses into wins. 428 00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:47,680 Speaker 2: Cam Ward at Tennessee replacing will Levis. If I told 429 00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:50,879 Speaker 2: you they won four more games just simply because of 430 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:55,679 Speaker 2: significant upgrade at quarterback in that division, I think we 431 00:20:55,760 --> 00:20:56,520 Speaker 2: both go yeah. 432 00:20:56,680 --> 00:20:57,000 Speaker 3: Yeah. 433 00:20:57,320 --> 00:21:00,399 Speaker 2: I mean cam Ward to will Levis Is is a 434 00:21:00,520 --> 00:21:04,240 Speaker 2: D to a B. And the other player that I 435 00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:06,680 Speaker 2: I mean this draft is not exceptional. I do think 436 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:10,760 Speaker 2: Ashton Gens will be a pretty spectacular player for the Raiders, 437 00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:15,199 Speaker 2: and with Chip Kelly's brain, the brock Bauers Gino Smith. 438 00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:18,280 Speaker 2: This is not a draft where people are changing outcomes. 439 00:21:18,359 --> 00:21:21,800 Speaker 2: And Jayden Daniels changed outcomes. We thought Kayleb Williams, would 440 00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:27,320 Speaker 2: it Bo Nicks changed outcomes. I could argue that Tennessee 441 00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:32,119 Speaker 2: and Vegas will be because of their first round players. 442 00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:37,560 Speaker 2: Would you agree, noticeably more dynamic offenses and an offensive league. 443 00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:38,280 Speaker 4: Yeah. 444 00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:41,359 Speaker 1: I think there's been one team, minimum from the top 445 00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:45,159 Speaker 1: five that has made the playoffs over the last five years. 446 00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:48,399 Speaker 1: And you know, I remember when the forty nine ers 447 00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:50,280 Speaker 1: had the number two overall pick and they took Bosa 448 00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:51,560 Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden they had a thirteen 449 00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:52,800 Speaker 1: win team and they were in the Super Bowl in 450 00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:54,840 Speaker 1: twenty nineteen. I don't know if there's one of those 451 00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:56,960 Speaker 1: teams here, but I'm with you. I mean that they 452 00:21:57,040 --> 00:21:59,040 Speaker 1: lost Josh Jacobs last year the Raiders. 453 00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:00,240 Speaker 4: And their running game was a Joe. 454 00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:02,200 Speaker 1: I mean, they were just they were in bad shape 455 00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:05,560 Speaker 1: as an organization. So anytime you get a guy that 456 00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:08,199 Speaker 1: that that is that good. But like I said, you 457 00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:11,280 Speaker 1: know that going from the Mountain West, he's a fantastic 458 00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:14,960 Speaker 1: prospect and a fantastic his His his tape this year 459 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:17,240 Speaker 1: look like a high school kid going to Nick Saban 460 00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:20,040 Speaker 1: in his prime. But it's a pretty big difference. I mean, 461 00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:23,920 Speaker 1: their division is really really hard, and you know, Cleveland, 462 00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:24,440 Speaker 1: I think is. 463 00:22:24,359 --> 00:22:25,240 Speaker 4: Cool with sitting back. 464 00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:27,600 Speaker 1: I do think there's a lot of pressure on Will Campbell. 465 00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:30,520 Speaker 1: He is a guy that if we assume that the 466 00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:33,240 Speaker 1: Patriots are going to be a viable you know, low 467 00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:35,879 Speaker 1: level like kind of like Denver was this year operation, 468 00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:38,760 Speaker 1: they're gonna need Will Campbell to the don't need to 469 00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:41,520 Speaker 1: be Trent Williams, but can he just be a starter, 470 00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:45,040 Speaker 1: a solid player that you can kind of rely on immediately. 471 00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:47,160 Speaker 4: There's gonna be Listen, the arm length thing. 472 00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:50,240 Speaker 1: People push back, but it's it's I know it's crazy 473 00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:52,200 Speaker 1: to sound like an inch is a make or break deal, 474 00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:55,480 Speaker 1: but historically it is difficult out there on edge. Think 475 00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:58,320 Speaker 1: how many teams now have good pass rushers. 476 00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:04,320 Speaker 2: Okay, Chargers select o Marion Hampton, the running back from 477 00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:09,160 Speaker 2: North Carolina. Okay, so this is interesting. So I went 478 00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:12,640 Speaker 2: to dinner with Greg Roman, the offensive coordinator for the Chargers. 479 00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:15,720 Speaker 2: He was on Friday night, and you know, he's not 480 00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:18,240 Speaker 2: gonna give me any intel, but we we really talked 481 00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:21,080 Speaker 2: a lot about football and what the team needed, and 482 00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:23,000 Speaker 2: I wasn't going to pry information. 483 00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:26,159 Speaker 3: But the one thing that we you know, we agreed with. 484 00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:27,120 Speaker 3: I said, I wouldn't be. 485 00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:29,960 Speaker 2: Shocked if you guys didn't go tight end, running back, interior, 486 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:31,399 Speaker 2: offensive lineman, wide receiver. 487 00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:33,960 Speaker 3: And you know Greg acknowledged. 488 00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:36,760 Speaker 2: He goes, Listen, we got good players, but we probably 489 00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:40,560 Speaker 2: need a little juice. We probably need a little bit 490 00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:43,960 Speaker 2: more juice. And and that's that. And I said, do 491 00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:46,679 Speaker 2: you like Colston Loveland? He's like, everybody likes Colston Loveland. 492 00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:49,679 Speaker 2: Do you like Hampton? He goes, everybody likes Hampton. So 493 00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:54,560 Speaker 2: I mean this to me, Nauseie Harris and Hampton. Okay, 494 00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:58,679 Speaker 2: now with Joel Ault last year and Mashaan Slater at 495 00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:02,200 Speaker 2: left tackle, John this is a Jim Harball football team. 496 00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:05,360 Speaker 2: I picked them to win their division this year. This 497 00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:07,840 Speaker 2: is a Jim Harball football team. Between those two picks, 498 00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:12,880 Speaker 2: a power running speed guy Naji Harris, by the way, Similarly, 499 00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:14,840 Speaker 2: now he didn't have the burst of Hampton, but Naji 500 00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:18,920 Speaker 2: Harris is a power running back. I mean even last 501 00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:21,560 Speaker 2: year JK Dobbins, who's got some girth to him, got 502 00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:25,040 Speaker 2: some size. This is really starting to feel like a 503 00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:26,000 Speaker 2: Jim Harbaugh team. 504 00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:28,520 Speaker 1: Well, if you had to bet right now, who's gonna 505 00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:31,960 Speaker 1: have the better career Omarion Hampton with Harbaugh, Who's I 506 00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:35,840 Speaker 1: think gonna retire as the Chargers coach and Genty with 507 00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:39,080 Speaker 1: the Raiders situation, you would have to bet on Jim 508 00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:42,440 Speaker 1: Harbaugh and his running back. So, you know, I think 509 00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:45,400 Speaker 1: a lot of teams in the league thought that Omarion 510 00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:48,840 Speaker 1: Hampton was a big time player. Now Genty got all 511 00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:52,040 Speaker 1: the buzz and all the hype. This guy's a stud Colling. 512 00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:58,439 Speaker 1: They gave Naji Harris some money. I mean, think about 513 00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:00,920 Speaker 1: the discussion when DK mex calf was on the block 514 00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:02,920 Speaker 1: that the Chargers are going to go trade for him. 515 00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:06,880 Speaker 1: It's like, guys, I never understand these people making these 516 00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:10,080 Speaker 1: these guesses about what Harbaugh's gonna do. That is just 517 00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:12,960 Speaker 1: so different from what he's done for fifteen twenty years 518 00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:17,959 Speaker 1: offensive linemen, running backs. He'll he'll take another linebacker. I mean, 519 00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:20,359 Speaker 1: it's the way he builds his team that they're gonna 520 00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:23,800 Speaker 1: be good. I Mean, it was pretty clear last year 521 00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:26,320 Speaker 1: with Denver and with the Chargers that was going to 522 00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:28,440 Speaker 1: be the worst version of those two teams. Try Sean 523 00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:30,920 Speaker 1: Payton and him moving forward, That's why the pressure on 524 00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:33,640 Speaker 1: you know, each and Andy feel like we gotta stay 525 00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:35,840 Speaker 1: We got to keep nailing picks. We got to keep 526 00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:38,200 Speaker 1: being good because these guys are coming and listen, I'm 527 00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:40,480 Speaker 1: not trying to be a Raider hater here. They're going 528 00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:43,439 Speaker 1: to be better. But from a roster standpoint, to me. 529 00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:46,040 Speaker 4: They were clearly the fourth operation in this division. 530 00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:48,840 Speaker 2: So if you look at what they have now, they 531 00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:52,280 Speaker 2: have their quarterback and Justin Herbert, they have their left 532 00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:57,919 Speaker 2: and right tackle, Slater and Joe Halt. They have Nause Harris, 533 00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:01,520 Speaker 2: who was clearly under you lie than under coached in Pittsburgh. 534 00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:04,400 Speaker 2: I mean he even admitted Naji Harris acknowledged we didn't 535 00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:08,840 Speaker 2: really have we didn't really have an identity in Pittsburgh, 536 00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:12,000 Speaker 2: which they don't off actively. Now you've got Hampton the 537 00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:15,880 Speaker 2: breakaway runner and Najee Harris the power runner the offense. 538 00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:21,119 Speaker 2: Now now they're going to go interior, O lineman, sideline 539 00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:24,040 Speaker 2: receiver and tied end at some point in this draft 540 00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:27,320 Speaker 2: that's where they're going. It feels like it feels like 541 00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:30,040 Speaker 2: to me, this is one of the more predictable teams 542 00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:32,400 Speaker 2: in the draft because the defense, let's face it, last year, 543 00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:35,639 Speaker 2: it overachieved or at least achieved to the level that 544 00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:38,159 Speaker 2: should have with Brandon Staley. I think the Chargers. I 545 00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:41,800 Speaker 2: think everybody in the ballpark knows what that Greg Roman 546 00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:44,920 Speaker 2: needs juice and he just got a powder keg of it. 547 00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:45,880 Speaker 4: Yeah. 548 00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:48,320 Speaker 1: I mean I saw Greg Roman a decade ago with 549 00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:52,480 Speaker 1: Frank Gore kicking everyone's ass, and that Harbaugh team their 550 00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:55,480 Speaker 1: best receiver was Michael Crabtree. And I think we all 551 00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:57,800 Speaker 1: believe that Justin Herbert has a chance. I know he 552 00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:00,360 Speaker 1: had a really bad playoff game. Peyton Manning had a bunch. 553 00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:04,160 Speaker 1: I mean, the NFL, you don't get a seven game series, 554 00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:05,680 Speaker 1: so you have a bad playoff game. It leaves the 555 00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:08,120 Speaker 1: stink in everyone's mouth. Do you want to sell Justin 556 00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:08,760 Speaker 1: Herbert stock? 557 00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:09,280 Speaker 4: I'll buy some. 558 00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:12,480 Speaker 1: I would imagine Greg Roman says like, we like this 559 00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:15,040 Speaker 1: quarterback a lot, and I don't blame him. 560 00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:17,480 Speaker 4: So I think the Chargers listen. 561 00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:19,720 Speaker 1: I mean, if I was a betting man, I would 562 00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:21,280 Speaker 1: say that Jim Harbaugh is gonna end. 563 00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:23,760 Speaker 4: His coaching career as a Super Bowl champion. 564 00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:26,440 Speaker 1: Now, it might not happen in twenty twenty five, but 565 00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:30,280 Speaker 1: they are going to be a major, major factor not 566 00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:32,119 Speaker 1: just in the AFC, but in the NFL. 567 00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:33,560 Speaker 4: I think over the next several years. 568 00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:35,960 Speaker 1: I mean, this guy is basically six foot two hundred 569 00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:37,680 Speaker 1: and twenty five pounds, runn a four four five. 570 00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:39,320 Speaker 4: This guy's a stud. 571 00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:41,960 Speaker 1: I mean, this guy part of when you draft this player, 572 00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:44,760 Speaker 1: he's going to be with the nucleus of Alt and 573 00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:48,200 Speaker 1: Slater and Herbert now for the next five six years. Like, 574 00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:50,159 Speaker 1: this is part of that nucleus with some of the 575 00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:53,280 Speaker 1: guys they drafted last year. And to me, if Naji, 576 00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:57,960 Speaker 1: you know, for a while he got overdrafted. Yeah, looking back, 577 00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:00,159 Speaker 1: you know he's a first round pick, but he's not 578 00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:00,880 Speaker 1: that good. 579 00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:02,280 Speaker 3: But he's a good role. 580 00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:04,159 Speaker 1: Player, and I think sometimes in Pittsburgh they were very 581 00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:06,560 Speaker 1: dependent on him. Now he just gets to be a 582 00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:08,680 Speaker 1: role player for Jim Harball, who will mix these running 583 00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:11,280 Speaker 1: backs in with Greg Roman and they will run the ball. 584 00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:13,320 Speaker 1: Danniels row, They're gonna play defense and run the ball 585 00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:15,720 Speaker 1: Danniars throw. He's been doing it. I mean, he probably 586 00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:17,840 Speaker 1: wished he could have done it when he was a quarterback, 587 00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:19,480 Speaker 1: and he's been doing it ever since he was a coach. 588 00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:22,479 Speaker 1: So I couldn't be any more bullish on the Chargers 589 00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:24,800 Speaker 1: at least shocking pick so far. At the night harp 590 00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:27,200 Speaker 1: Aft took to go running back in the first round 591 00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:29,400 Speaker 1: the Rams. 592 00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:34,400 Speaker 2: So there were two beliefs with the La Rams. They 593 00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:39,280 Speaker 2: really like Colston Loveland and they really liked rock Bowers 594 00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:42,880 Speaker 2: last year. So McVay, who has a history with tight ends, 595 00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:47,000 Speaker 2: would like to get a tight end. But I had 596 00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:49,560 Speaker 2: talked to les Sneed during the off season. I talked 597 00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:52,800 Speaker 2: to him probably two months ago and we just had 598 00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:57,960 Speaker 2: a text exchange and he said, listen, it wouldn't crush 599 00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:00,320 Speaker 2: us if we moved out of the first round because 600 00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:02,000 Speaker 2: they don't have a second round pick. 601 00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:12,600 Speaker 4: So yeah, they traded with Atlanta. So the Giants traded 602 00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:15,960 Speaker 4: with the Texans, and then. 603 00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:19,080 Speaker 2: So the Falcons at twenty six take James Pierce the 604 00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:29,120 Speaker 2: Edge from Tennessee. So Atlanta's had a lousy pass rush forever, 605 00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:34,680 Speaker 2: so I mean they have struggled with a pass rush, 606 00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:37,600 Speaker 2: so that is predictable. Remember they've got Matt Judon last 607 00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:41,080 Speaker 2: year from the New England Patriots. They thought would help. 608 00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:44,720 Speaker 1: Listen to this, Colin, listen what Lesnie just did. So 609 00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:49,040 Speaker 1: they traded with the Falcons. They get their second round pick, 610 00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:52,840 Speaker 1: which is pick forty six, they get next year's first 611 00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:53,400 Speaker 1: round pick. 612 00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:57,040 Speaker 3: Oh jesus, so the Rams have nexteer ones next year. 613 00:29:57,720 --> 00:29:58,320 Speaker 4: So the Rams. 614 00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:01,280 Speaker 1: Now have you said they didn't have a second round pick, yeah, 615 00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:03,680 Speaker 1: the Rams. So the Rams get a second round pick, 616 00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:05,960 Speaker 1: now pick forty six, that's our first pick of this draft, 617 00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:08,840 Speaker 1: and they get next year's Falcons one. 618 00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:13,320 Speaker 2: Wow, and that will be a top fifteen pick. 619 00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:17,760 Speaker 1: You would think that that seems to get to trade 620 00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:18,920 Speaker 1: up to get James Pierce. 621 00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:22,400 Speaker 4: Oh, I think that's Schniper. 622 00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:26,080 Speaker 1: I think that's insane. I mean some of these, some 623 00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:27,680 Speaker 1: of these trades, Colin, I just. 624 00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:29,120 Speaker 3: I don't understand that. 625 00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:34,120 Speaker 4: My mind around, I'm at a loss for words. 626 00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:38,920 Speaker 2: You just got Atlanta's first round pick for James Pierce, 627 00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:45,280 Speaker 2: the third to fourth best edge rusher in not a 628 00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:46,560 Speaker 2: great edge rusher class. 629 00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:50,040 Speaker 1: At least if you're trading a future first round pick 630 00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:53,240 Speaker 1: and you get Travis Hunter, a guy that's never unprecedented 631 00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:55,560 Speaker 1: what the guy just did probably since leather helmets, someone 632 00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:56,800 Speaker 1: playing both ways, right, So. 633 00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:58,200 Speaker 3: It was that s I mean, you're looking. 634 00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:00,720 Speaker 1: I think it's crazy, but I given a future first 635 00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:02,200 Speaker 1: round pick to do it, Like, at least you could 636 00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:06,840 Speaker 1: justify it in the room, James Pierce, decent Rusher. I 637 00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:09,360 Speaker 1: mean at pick twenty five, you don't trade a future 638 00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:11,800 Speaker 1: first round pick to trade up for a player in 639 00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:12,360 Speaker 1: the twenties. 640 00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:15,800 Speaker 4: That's that can't happen, especially. 641 00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:19,320 Speaker 1: A lot a d lineman. What defensive lineman is he 642 00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:21,720 Speaker 1: off the board? Six or seven? I think how many 643 00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:23,880 Speaker 1: guys have already come off the board that all these 644 00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:24,640 Speaker 1: teams passed on? 645 00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:27,360 Speaker 4: Jesus maybe one thing. 646 00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:29,400 Speaker 1: If someone was falling because of a you know, like 647 00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:33,160 Speaker 1: a Laramie Tunzel bong issue or something, you're like, well, this. 648 00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:34,960 Speaker 4: Guy should have been the fourth pick in the draft. 649 00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:37,600 Speaker 4: We're going all in. He's one of the most talented guys. 650 00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:42,880 Speaker 4: That's crazy. That's well. 651 00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:46,400 Speaker 2: Also, so the Rams will have two number one picks 652 00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:48,880 Speaker 2: next year. There's in Atlantas, so you're gonna probably get 653 00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:51,320 Speaker 2: one that's the top fifteen and one that's somewhere in 654 00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:51,880 Speaker 2: the twenties. 655 00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:53,840 Speaker 3: But remember. 656 00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:57,640 Speaker 2: Stafford's there's a sense in the room. Stafford's got two 657 00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:00,440 Speaker 2: years of the Rams left. So next year is the 658 00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:02,880 Speaker 2: year you would draft a quarterback or later in this round, 659 00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:09,240 Speaker 2: Later in this draft, like fourth round. Kyle McCord, Syracuse, Again, 660 00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:14,320 Speaker 2: I feel like Cleveland took Jacksonville to the cleaners, and 661 00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:16,600 Speaker 2: I feel like the Rams took Atlanta to the cleaners. 662 00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:22,200 Speaker 1: How often I don't ever remember Jesus a team getting 663 00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:24,400 Speaker 1: another team's first round pick. 664 00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:27,600 Speaker 3: In a bad draft for the fifth best egge rusher. 665 00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:29,840 Speaker 4: It was drafting twenty six. 666 00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:33,280 Speaker 1: Usually, when you accumulate those first round picks, you're drafting really, 667 00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:36,240 Speaker 1: really high. That has to be at first in the 668 00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:39,719 Speaker 1: Internet era, I'm drafting twenty six and I trade back 669 00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:41,400 Speaker 1: and I get to the team's first round pick, and 670 00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:45,440 Speaker 1: I'm not trading a player, right, I'm not trading, you know, 671 00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:49,120 Speaker 1: for DK Metcalf or Tyreek Hill or something. I'm literally 672 00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:51,920 Speaker 1: just trading you pick twenty six. Now, the Rams also 673 00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:53,080 Speaker 1: gave their third round pick this. 674 00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:55,800 Speaker 2: Year, so well, they have two thirds and a fourth, 675 00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:58,440 Speaker 2: so they have a second there. Now, let's they have 676 00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:00,920 Speaker 2: a second, a third, a fourth, and four sixes. 677 00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:02,440 Speaker 3: They don't have a lot of needs. 678 00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:07,360 Speaker 2: John, they need a corner, an inside linebacker, they could 679 00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:10,080 Speaker 2: use a tight end, and an offensive tackle. 680 00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:11,280 Speaker 3: They need have four needs. 681 00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:17,800 Speaker 1: And I understand that that Sean and Raheem are good buddies, 682 00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:23,280 Speaker 1: but that felt like taking advantage of everybody. Now I 683 00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:29,080 Speaker 1: do wonder for the GM, Terry Fontineau, for Raheem Morris. 684 00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:32,440 Speaker 1: I mean, that owner's mid eighties. He has unlimited amounts 685 00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:34,280 Speaker 1: of money. And you've talked about this for a long time. 686 00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:36,840 Speaker 1: These owners now in basketball and football are firing guys 687 00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:39,200 Speaker 1: paying you thirty million dollars away. 688 00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:40,320 Speaker 4: Is couch change to them. 689 00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:42,640 Speaker 1: I wonder if these guys pissed off the owner last 690 00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:45,600 Speaker 1: year because they got over aggressive with Cousins and then 691 00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:48,680 Speaker 1: they fell in love with what's penix after and then 692 00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:52,440 Speaker 1: Cousins sucked. Now the owners meeting with Cousins, you know, 693 00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:54,720 Speaker 1: because he's pissed off. He just gave him ninety million 694 00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:57,200 Speaker 1: dollars and Cousins got a no trade clause, so it's 695 00:33:57,240 --> 00:33:59,600 Speaker 1: not easy to just deal them. He's kind of got 696 00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:01,800 Speaker 1: them by the balls and let's and then they missed 697 00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:05,000 Speaker 1: the playoffs last year. You know, they hire the biggest 698 00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:07,720 Speaker 1: staff in the league, and Raheem goes, well, we plan 699 00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:10,200 Speaker 1: on losing coaches because he's acting like we're gonna be 700 00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:13,600 Speaker 1: really good. They go under five hundred. I wonder if 701 00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:17,279 Speaker 1: that owner is like, you guys better win and win now. 702 00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:20,080 Speaker 1: I don't know how much longer I have. There's pressure 703 00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:22,239 Speaker 1: on you, guys. This felt like one of those, like 704 00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:27,360 Speaker 1: there's pressure from above the volume,