1 00:00:07,360 --> 00:00:10,119 Speaker 1: Be careful what you wish for, You just might get it. 2 00:00:10,320 --> 00:00:12,600 Speaker 1: You ever heard of that before? We're about to talk 3 00:00:12,640 --> 00:00:15,120 Speaker 1: about revolutions. We're about to talk about the good one. 4 00:00:15,160 --> 00:00:16,959 Speaker 1: We're going to get to Kevin Roberts to talk about 5 00:00:16,960 --> 00:00:18,960 Speaker 1: that in a moment. But we're going to talk about 6 00:00:18,960 --> 00:00:21,560 Speaker 1: bad ones as well. There have been many of them. 7 00:00:21,680 --> 00:00:25,040 Speaker 1: People love the idea, Americans love the idea of revolution, 8 00:00:25,280 --> 00:00:30,680 Speaker 1: but should we Revolutions can be and often are, horrific, 9 00:00:30,880 --> 00:00:32,080 Speaker 1: barbaric things. 10 00:00:32,159 --> 00:00:35,239 Speaker 2: So, like I just said, we need to be careful 11 00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:36,200 Speaker 2: what we wish for. 12 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:39,440 Speaker 1: Now, let's focus on the good first though, Let's focus 13 00:00:39,440 --> 00:00:43,400 Speaker 1: on the American revolution. Revolutions sound good, But why do 14 00:00:43,520 --> 00:00:47,360 Speaker 1: we like the sound of revolution as Americans? Because we 15 00:00:47,400 --> 00:00:50,199 Speaker 1: had the one that worked out. We had the one 16 00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:52,879 Speaker 1: that worked out. So when we think about American revolution, 17 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:56,280 Speaker 1: we think about freedom, getting rid of a tyrants. Most 18 00:00:56,320 --> 00:00:59,320 Speaker 1: of them don't work out, but we won God's lottery 19 00:00:59,400 --> 00:01:01,160 Speaker 1: in ours worked out quite well. 20 00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:02,279 Speaker 2: Let's talk about that. 21 00:01:02,520 --> 00:01:05,240 Speaker 1: The president of the Great Heritage Foundation, I don't know 22 00:01:05,280 --> 00:01:07,280 Speaker 1: what the heck we'd have done without Heritage over the 23 00:01:07,360 --> 00:01:12,039 Speaker 1: past several decades, Doctor Kevin Roberts joins us. Now, okay, Kevin, 24 00:01:12,040 --> 00:01:14,720 Speaker 1: could you please before we dig into the American Revolution, 25 00:01:15,440 --> 00:01:18,200 Speaker 1: tell people, because most don't know, especially because our education 26 00:01:18,360 --> 00:01:22,160 Speaker 1: system sucks. What was America like before the Revolution? The 27 00:01:22,240 --> 00:01:24,640 Speaker 1: Seven Years War? What did that have to do with anything? 28 00:01:25,760 --> 00:01:28,800 Speaker 3: Well, the Seven Years War was vital because it actually 29 00:01:28,880 --> 00:01:33,080 Speaker 3: trained up the colonial militia into almost irregular army, and 30 00:01:33,120 --> 00:01:36,000 Speaker 3: that obviously had a direct military impact. 31 00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:36,560 Speaker 2: On the revolution. 32 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:40,160 Speaker 3: But even more important than the military Jesse was what 33 00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:44,320 Speaker 3: the American people were like, and ultimately they were had 34 00:01:44,360 --> 00:01:47,160 Speaker 3: an emerging American identity. They had an identity that was 35 00:01:47,760 --> 00:01:50,560 Speaker 3: becoming very different from the British identity. It's a way 36 00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:52,919 Speaker 3: of saying that we're very fond of the United States 37 00:01:53,360 --> 00:01:57,520 Speaker 3: of claiming that we're a classless society. That's largely true. 38 00:01:57,640 --> 00:02:01,680 Speaker 3: It's particularly true in the midst seventeen hundreds in contrast 39 00:02:01,720 --> 00:02:05,960 Speaker 3: to Britain, which of course was a heavily infatuated with class. 40 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:09,160 Speaker 3: All of that to say America was a middle class place. 41 00:02:09,360 --> 00:02:12,080 Speaker 3: You could earn a good living if you were free. 42 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:15,200 Speaker 3: Obviously there were slaves, and the United States fixed that eventually, 43 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:17,760 Speaker 3: But if you were a free person and you worked hard, 44 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 3: you could get ahead in every colony and every city 45 00:02:20,760 --> 00:02:23,239 Speaker 3: in every colony, and that was very different than Britain, 46 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:26,040 Speaker 3: and so it was primed to be in a successful 47 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:27,960 Speaker 3: revolution against the British Empire. 48 00:02:30,639 --> 00:02:34,800 Speaker 1: The Seven Years' War also really depleted the British Empire 49 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:38,400 Speaker 1: in many ways. Them pulling back from the wilderness, leaving 50 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:40,480 Speaker 1: our people naked out there, didn't it? 51 00:02:41,560 --> 00:02:45,800 Speaker 3: Well, it did, And what happened was the performance of 52 00:02:45,840 --> 00:02:49,480 Speaker 3: the British army in the Seven Years War showed the 53 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:53,680 Speaker 3: Americans that they actually couldn't depend on the British military 54 00:02:54,080 --> 00:02:57,079 Speaker 3: to defend them. This was especially true on the western 55 00:02:57,120 --> 00:03:01,440 Speaker 3: side of the colonies basic roughly speaking, the Appalachian region 56 00:03:01,440 --> 00:03:03,600 Speaker 3: from Pennsylvania all the way down to North Georgia. As 57 00:03:03,639 --> 00:03:07,720 Speaker 3: you know, colonists there had direct interaction not just with 58 00:03:07,760 --> 00:03:11,639 Speaker 3: the British army, but also with regional Indian tribes, most 59 00:03:11,680 --> 00:03:14,519 Speaker 3: of whom got the better of the British, along occasionally 60 00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:17,200 Speaker 3: with some of the French. So even though the British 61 00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:21,639 Speaker 3: prevailed in the Seven Years were, the experience for the colonists, 62 00:03:21,680 --> 00:03:24,920 Speaker 3: including George Washington, who cut his teeth as a young 63 00:03:25,200 --> 00:03:28,160 Speaker 3: military colonel in that war, as you know, was very 64 00:03:28,160 --> 00:03:31,119 Speaker 3: negative and it proved to them that not only could 65 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:34,240 Speaker 3: the British be counted on, but a decade later, when 66 00:03:34,360 --> 00:03:37,320 Speaker 3: we decided that we would declare independence from Britain, it 67 00:03:37,360 --> 00:03:40,360 Speaker 3: actually gave colonists more confidence than you might. 68 00:03:40,280 --> 00:03:44,480 Speaker 2: Think they would have possessed otherwise, no doubt. What was 69 00:03:44,520 --> 00:03:45,480 Speaker 2: the Stamp Act? 70 00:03:45,520 --> 00:03:47,560 Speaker 1: And why were they so mad about that whole thing? 71 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:49,440 Speaker 1: Why can't you pay a little bit more for a stamp? 72 00:03:49,480 --> 00:03:50,200 Speaker 2: What's the big deal? 73 00:03:51,080 --> 00:03:53,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, the Stamp Act was a really fancy tax. And 74 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:57,880 Speaker 3: so basically, although unfortunately we've gotten accustomed to this kind 75 00:03:57,960 --> 00:04:00,880 Speaker 3: of thing in the modern United States, any sheet of 76 00:04:00,920 --> 00:04:04,240 Speaker 3: paper that you had basically had to be notarized. That's 77 00:04:04,280 --> 00:04:07,520 Speaker 3: the best way of understanding it in our modern vocabulary. 78 00:04:07,600 --> 00:04:11,240 Speaker 3: And in order to get that stamp from the colonial 79 00:04:11,320 --> 00:04:13,840 Speaker 3: or government official, you had to pay a few pence, 80 00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:16,479 Speaker 3: You had to pay a little bit of money. Between 81 00:04:16,520 --> 00:04:19,880 Speaker 3: paying the money, but also just the inconvenience of time. 82 00:04:20,320 --> 00:04:23,080 Speaker 3: But I would argue, even more importantly than those two things, 83 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:28,039 Speaker 3: just the ever presence of a British government official intruding 84 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:31,479 Speaker 3: on every aspect of your life. Collas had enough, and 85 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:34,919 Speaker 3: so they started the Stampback Congress, which was a precursor 86 00:04:34,960 --> 00:04:38,200 Speaker 3: to our own Congress. The Stampback Congress not only was 87 00:04:38,279 --> 00:04:41,720 Speaker 3: important in some of the policies that it articulated, but 88 00:04:41,760 --> 00:04:46,440 Speaker 3: it also helped galvanize this really healthy rebelliousness by the 89 00:04:46,480 --> 00:04:50,560 Speaker 3: American colonists. Most importantly, Jesse, I would argue, it actually 90 00:04:50,640 --> 00:04:55,440 Speaker 3: gave Americans, these colonists, sort of cultural icons, a flag, 91 00:04:55,800 --> 00:04:58,680 Speaker 3: certain songs, certain poems that came out of the Stampback. 92 00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:01,760 Speaker 3: This is really because, for the first time in an 93 00:05:01,880 --> 00:05:05,200 Speaker 3: organized way, it gave Americans a sense that they really 94 00:05:05,240 --> 00:05:08,920 Speaker 3: did have their own identity that was separate from the British. 95 00:05:09,160 --> 00:05:12,119 Speaker 3: We underestimate the importance of that because it's kind of vague, 96 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:14,920 Speaker 3: you know, it's intangible. But that sense of a shared 97 00:05:14,960 --> 00:05:19,239 Speaker 3: identity across the thirteen colonies was vital to the ultimate 98 00:05:19,279 --> 00:05:22,360 Speaker 3: success of the American Revolution. It wouldn't happen without the Stampback. 99 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:27,039 Speaker 1: Speaking of success, I mean, let's fast forward through a 100 00:05:27,040 --> 00:05:30,200 Speaker 1: couple things. Obviously, the United States of America became an 101 00:05:30,200 --> 00:05:33,560 Speaker 1: incredible success after we gained our independence. As I said 102 00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:35,880 Speaker 1: in the opening, though that is not the norm, Kevin. 103 00:05:35,920 --> 00:05:40,920 Speaker 1: As you obviously know, revolutions are generally disasters. Almost every 104 00:05:40,960 --> 00:05:44,200 Speaker 1: time they're disasters. It's not hard to get people angry 105 00:05:44,200 --> 00:05:46,680 Speaker 1: about the regime and power and toss them out. It's 106 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:50,240 Speaker 1: very difficult to land was something decent on the other 107 00:05:50,360 --> 00:05:52,440 Speaker 1: side of that, But we did. 108 00:05:53,400 --> 00:05:55,560 Speaker 2: Why well? 109 00:05:55,960 --> 00:05:58,400 Speaker 3: I think that's one of the most fascinating questions, not 110 00:05:58,480 --> 00:06:00,880 Speaker 3: just in American history, but in all of world history. 111 00:06:00,920 --> 00:06:02,599 Speaker 3: And as you know, I've spent a lot of time 112 00:06:02,640 --> 00:06:05,560 Speaker 3: studying and teaching that over the last couple of decades. 113 00:06:05,880 --> 00:06:08,479 Speaker 2: Ultimately I'll focus on three or four. 114 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:12,360 Speaker 3: The first was or is that the United States in 115 00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:15,720 Speaker 3: the seventeen hundreds was a place that was not divided 116 00:06:15,839 --> 00:06:19,360 Speaker 3: by class. Obviously, there were a lot of enslaved people, 117 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:23,000 Speaker 3: about twenty percent of the American population. Separate from that 118 00:06:23,160 --> 00:06:26,760 Speaker 3: huge exception, the United States was a place that was 119 00:06:26,839 --> 00:06:31,640 Speaker 3: not dictated. It wasn't divided according to socioeconomic status. This 120 00:06:31,800 --> 00:06:35,320 Speaker 3: is important for the outcome of the revolution because unlike 121 00:06:35,440 --> 00:06:38,560 Speaker 3: say in France a decade and a half later, where 122 00:06:38,640 --> 00:06:41,520 Speaker 3: not only did you have the overthrow of the monarchy, 123 00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:46,000 Speaker 3: you had the poorer Frenchman trying to overthrow the landed aristocracy, 124 00:06:46,279 --> 00:06:48,799 Speaker 3: and the United States you didn't have that pent up frustration, 125 00:06:49,440 --> 00:06:52,120 Speaker 3: and so ultimately, when you get on the back end 126 00:06:52,200 --> 00:06:56,120 Speaker 3: the successful conclusion of the American Revolution, there isn't a 127 00:06:56,200 --> 00:06:59,920 Speaker 3: desire to reorder society. In fact, there is a desire 128 00:07:00,520 --> 00:07:04,880 Speaker 3: to continue something ironically that the British taught the Americans, 129 00:07:05,120 --> 00:07:07,880 Speaker 3: which was that you wanted to have both liberty and order, 130 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:11,200 Speaker 3: something that Washington called ordered liberty. You wanted to be 131 00:07:11,240 --> 00:07:13,960 Speaker 3: a free person, but you also understood that there were 132 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:17,400 Speaker 3: certain conventions in society, there were certain customs. You had 133 00:07:17,400 --> 00:07:20,640 Speaker 3: a moral obligation to help other people be free. That 134 00:07:20,840 --> 00:07:25,160 Speaker 3: was a distinctly American idea that was utterly lacking in France, 135 00:07:25,520 --> 00:07:28,760 Speaker 3: where freedom came to be defined as your freedom to 136 00:07:28,760 --> 00:07:30,960 Speaker 3: do whatever the heck you wanted to do. In the 137 00:07:31,080 --> 00:07:33,440 Speaker 3: United States, it was much more ordered, dare I say 138 00:07:33,640 --> 00:07:36,560 Speaker 3: more virtuous. And then the last reason I think is 139 00:07:36,600 --> 00:07:38,920 Speaker 3: that the United States was a place because even though 140 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:42,360 Speaker 3: it was much smaller when the American Revolution was concluded 141 00:07:42,360 --> 00:07:46,000 Speaker 3: that it is today that geographically you could move around, 142 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:50,880 Speaker 3: you could actually experience your freedom physically geographically, and so 143 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:55,160 Speaker 3: that really accentuated that lack of motivation that most Americans 144 00:07:55,160 --> 00:07:58,080 Speaker 3: had to upend society. Because if you didn't like your 145 00:07:58,080 --> 00:08:00,640 Speaker 3: life where you were for the most part, if you 146 00:08:00,640 --> 00:08:02,760 Speaker 3: were a free person, you could get up and leave, 147 00:08:02,880 --> 00:08:06,440 Speaker 3: and that actually propelled the westward expansion that continued all 148 00:08:06,480 --> 00:08:08,680 Speaker 3: the way until the early nineteen hundreds. 149 00:08:10,280 --> 00:08:14,160 Speaker 1: Okay, so let's switch gears as we wrap this whole 150 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:19,120 Speaker 1: thing up here. Why are so many other revolutions? Why 151 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:22,640 Speaker 1: can't they duplicate that? Surely at least some people at 152 00:08:22,680 --> 00:08:24,760 Speaker 1: the top or a lot of people involved in them, 153 00:08:25,080 --> 00:08:27,080 Speaker 1: that's what they want on the back end of it, 154 00:08:27,160 --> 00:08:31,320 Speaker 1: whether you're tossing off a dictator here or there. Surely 155 00:08:31,360 --> 00:08:34,960 Speaker 1: they want to be free and ordered and good. But 156 00:08:35,080 --> 00:08:38,360 Speaker 1: it pretty much never works out that way. Why do 157 00:08:38,600 --> 00:08:40,400 Speaker 1: they fail where we succeeded. 158 00:08:41,640 --> 00:08:44,000 Speaker 3: Well, I'm going to write a headline for you that's 159 00:08:44,040 --> 00:08:49,400 Speaker 3: politically incorrect because America is an exceptional place, and it's 160 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:53,320 Speaker 3: exceptional meaning that we aren't superior to other people. 161 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:53,760 Speaker 2: By any stretch. 162 00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:57,280 Speaker 3: Every human's equal in the eyes of God, obviously, but 163 00:08:57,360 --> 00:09:01,160 Speaker 3: we have some exceptional qualities about actually wanting to have 164 00:09:01,240 --> 00:09:05,760 Speaker 3: an orderly transition of power that comes, ironically from the 165 00:09:06,240 --> 00:09:09,680 Speaker 3: political philosophy we inherited from the British. But if you 166 00:09:09,720 --> 00:09:12,560 Speaker 3: think about the other revolutions that have happened since, you 167 00:09:12,600 --> 00:09:15,559 Speaker 3: think about the French Revolution and close proximity to the 168 00:09:15,559 --> 00:09:18,720 Speaker 3: American Revolution, the Haitian Revolution, and then a lot of 169 00:09:18,760 --> 00:09:22,840 Speaker 3: revolutions in the mid twentieth century, mostly from African and 170 00:09:22,960 --> 00:09:27,000 Speaker 3: Latin American countries, throwing off the yoke of communism. Many 171 00:09:27,080 --> 00:09:30,679 Speaker 3: of those countries continue to struggle with that because they 172 00:09:30,679 --> 00:09:35,480 Speaker 3: have inherited this disease of Marxism, the institutions that the 173 00:09:35,559 --> 00:09:39,480 Speaker 3: communist for example, took over in those countries. This is 174 00:09:39,520 --> 00:09:41,840 Speaker 3: a really important lesson for us in the twenty first 175 00:09:41,840 --> 00:09:46,520 Speaker 3: century of the United States actually miseducated their people. They 176 00:09:46,559 --> 00:09:50,040 Speaker 3: miseducated them so that they didn't understand not just how 177 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:53,920 Speaker 3: to be free, but they also miseducated them in understanding 178 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:57,760 Speaker 3: that order, that sort of government power came from on high, 179 00:09:58,160 --> 00:10:00,520 Speaker 3: not just a king in the case of the Seventh hundreds, 180 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:02,960 Speaker 3: been in the case of the Communists, from the poll 181 00:10:03,040 --> 00:10:05,920 Speaker 3: up bureau. But instead we understand in the United States, 182 00:10:05,920 --> 00:10:09,160 Speaker 3: sovereignty comes from the individual, it comes from nature, or 183 00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:13,360 Speaker 3: it comes from God. And that is a really underappreciated 184 00:10:13,400 --> 00:10:17,080 Speaker 3: aspect of why most other revolutions fail. We ought to 185 00:10:17,120 --> 00:10:19,800 Speaker 3: feel very blessed in the United States to have had 186 00:10:19,920 --> 00:10:23,360 Speaker 3: such a successful revolution that has persisted in its ideals 187 00:10:23,920 --> 00:10:25,600 Speaker 3: and well until the twenty first century. 188 00:10:27,320 --> 00:10:28,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, we should have doctor. 189 00:10:29,280 --> 00:10:30,280 Speaker 2: Thank you so much. 190 00:10:30,480 --> 00:10:35,080 Speaker 1: Love you guys at Heritage will break Breadstill, all right, 191 00:10:36,200 --> 00:10:38,560 Speaker 1: that's ours. I hope that put a smile on your face. 192 00:10:38,600 --> 00:10:43,200 Speaker 1: It blessed me. We are so blessed. But as we mentioned, 193 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:46,559 Speaker 1: there are a lot of them that they didn't go well, 194 00:10:47,080 --> 00:10:49,880 Speaker 1: pretty much all of most of us, ninety nine percent 195 00:10:49,880 --> 00:10:51,680 Speaker 1: of them. I made up that number, but it's a lot. 196 00:10:52,200 --> 00:11:10,400 Speaker 1: Let's talk about some that didn't go well next. All right, 197 00:11:10,440 --> 00:11:12,960 Speaker 1: so that was the American Revolution. That was the good one. 198 00:11:13,320 --> 00:11:17,240 Speaker 1: But as I've explained, most of them aren't good. We 199 00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:22,320 Speaker 1: have a really fluffy, shiny view of revolution here in 200 00:11:22,360 --> 00:11:24,520 Speaker 1: America because ours turned out well. 201 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:27,280 Speaker 2: The most revolutions. 202 00:11:26,559 --> 00:11:30,880 Speaker 1: Are ugly feminist, ugly. Speaking of which, joining me now, 203 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:34,720 Speaker 1: my friend Jack Pasilvic, I should use other titles, but 204 00:11:34,800 --> 00:11:37,880 Speaker 1: I'm going to be forced to call him author Jack 205 00:11:37,920 --> 00:11:41,800 Speaker 1: Pasilbic today because he did write. He wrote this great book, Unhuman. 206 00:11:41,840 --> 00:11:42,880 Speaker 2: You should really read it. 207 00:11:42,960 --> 00:11:46,400 Speaker 1: But Jack, before we get to your book, let's talk 208 00:11:46,440 --> 00:11:49,120 Speaker 1: about one of the subjects in that book, the French Revolution. 209 00:11:49,440 --> 00:11:51,840 Speaker 1: Now I am an American, therefore I don't care about 210 00:11:51,880 --> 00:11:55,080 Speaker 1: the French, but this is a really really revealing event 211 00:11:55,120 --> 00:11:55,920 Speaker 1: in human history. 212 00:11:55,920 --> 00:11:56,600 Speaker 2: Tell us about it. 213 00:11:57,760 --> 00:11:58,000 Speaker 4: Well. 214 00:11:58,080 --> 00:12:01,559 Speaker 5: Unfortunately, for all of us Jesse, even though we are 215 00:12:01,559 --> 00:12:04,600 Speaker 5: not French, we are still living through the effects of 216 00:12:04,720 --> 00:12:08,960 Speaker 5: the French Revolution and its consequences, because, of course, the 217 00:12:08,960 --> 00:12:13,240 Speaker 5: French Revolution is the predicate revolution that then kicks off 218 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:17,320 Speaker 5: the Russian Revolution, which leads to the Spanish Revolution, which 219 00:12:17,400 --> 00:12:21,760 Speaker 5: leads to the Chinese Communist Revolution and so many more 220 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:23,320 Speaker 5: around the world. 221 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:26,000 Speaker 2: The French Revolution, when. 222 00:12:25,840 --> 00:12:29,959 Speaker 5: It's kicked off early on, it actually starts out so 223 00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:33,839 Speaker 5: so quietly because it's all about bringing together parliament at 224 00:12:33,840 --> 00:12:35,360 Speaker 5: the time, they call it the Estates General, and the 225 00:12:35,440 --> 00:12:37,480 Speaker 5: king decides. King Louis says, we're gonna put together the 226 00:12:37,480 --> 00:12:40,360 Speaker 5: parliament because we need to raise some taxes. And I've 227 00:12:40,720 --> 00:12:42,800 Speaker 5: decided that I've given the parliament this authority. 228 00:12:42,840 --> 00:12:44,120 Speaker 2: I don't have this authority anymore. 229 00:12:44,120 --> 00:12:46,520 Speaker 5: So we're gonna call the Estates General back in and 230 00:12:46,520 --> 00:12:47,840 Speaker 5: we're gonna raise taxes. 231 00:12:47,840 --> 00:12:49,080 Speaker 2: Well, the Estates General. 232 00:12:48,800 --> 00:12:50,760 Speaker 5: Opens up and they says, you know, we need to 233 00:12:50,800 --> 00:12:53,880 Speaker 5: do more than raised taxes. We need we need some 234 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:57,080 Speaker 5: equality around here, and we need some we need some 235 00:12:57,200 --> 00:13:00,640 Speaker 5: equal protections and equal rights and equal justice, and we 236 00:13:00,720 --> 00:13:01,679 Speaker 5: need inclusion. 237 00:13:01,800 --> 00:13:02,600 Speaker 2: That's what we need. 238 00:13:02,960 --> 00:13:04,960 Speaker 5: And you're starting to get the sense of this, and 239 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:07,320 Speaker 5: they decide that they want to do more than just 240 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:09,640 Speaker 5: raised taxes. They say, you know what, we need to 241 00:13:09,720 --> 00:13:12,520 Speaker 5: right some of the wrongs in French society. In fact, 242 00:13:12,559 --> 00:13:14,760 Speaker 5: one of those big wrongs in French society. Why do 243 00:13:14,880 --> 00:13:18,160 Speaker 5: we even have these things like kings and leaders and 244 00:13:18,320 --> 00:13:22,360 Speaker 5: rich people and successful people and priests and religion, and 245 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:27,319 Speaker 5: why don't we instead put the most brutal, disgusting, ruthless, 246 00:13:27,559 --> 00:13:29,760 Speaker 5: ugly And I'm not just talking about the feminists, but 247 00:13:29,920 --> 00:13:33,960 Speaker 5: also these these trollish little creatures like Maximilian robes Pierre, 248 00:13:34,160 --> 00:13:38,440 Speaker 5: put them in charge and have them start executing everyone 249 00:13:38,520 --> 00:13:41,880 Speaker 5: who stands in our way, up to and including the 250 00:13:41,960 --> 00:13:45,559 Speaker 5: king and the Queen of France itself. This is constituted 251 00:13:45,559 --> 00:13:49,520 Speaker 5: and what we call the reign of Terror, which doesn't 252 00:13:49,760 --> 00:13:53,560 Speaker 5: end for an entire year of heads piling up in 253 00:13:53,600 --> 00:13:57,200 Speaker 5: the center of Paris until rose Pier orders and even 254 00:13:57,480 --> 00:14:02,360 Speaker 5: carries out the execution of a cloister of nuns from 255 00:14:02,440 --> 00:14:05,400 Speaker 5: coping Yon, where he pulls them down and says, you 256 00:14:05,520 --> 00:14:09,520 Speaker 5: must swear allegiance to the cult of reason and how 257 00:14:09,640 --> 00:14:11,960 Speaker 5: dare you stand up for God and stand. 258 00:14:11,800 --> 00:14:12,720 Speaker 2: Up for your beliefs? 259 00:14:12,840 --> 00:14:17,040 Speaker 5: He starts executing nuns in the center of Paris. This 260 00:14:17,280 --> 00:14:21,840 Speaker 5: is how bad these things get. And finally Robespierre is 261 00:14:21,920 --> 00:14:24,200 Speaker 5: executed himself with people say, okay, I think this is 262 00:14:24,240 --> 00:14:26,400 Speaker 5: going a little bit too far. And all of that, 263 00:14:26,440 --> 00:14:29,200 Speaker 5: of course leads to something we call the rise of 264 00:14:29,360 --> 00:14:32,320 Speaker 5: Emperor Nepoldian who comes in. 265 00:14:32,360 --> 00:14:34,440 Speaker 2: But that, of course is another story. 266 00:14:36,200 --> 00:14:40,880 Speaker 1: Jack, can you explain why the people themselves in the beginning? 267 00:14:41,400 --> 00:14:44,120 Speaker 1: Why would they sign on for such a thing? Because 268 00:14:44,160 --> 00:14:47,640 Speaker 1: it was, you know, unfairly popular, popular popular enough that 269 00:14:47,720 --> 00:14:50,720 Speaker 1: it got going. Why would the people sign on for 270 00:14:50,880 --> 00:14:52,280 Speaker 1: something so evil? 271 00:14:53,480 --> 00:14:55,720 Speaker 5: So Jesse And here's the funny part about this, and 272 00:14:55,840 --> 00:14:57,920 Speaker 5: a lot of people don't even understand this, is that 273 00:14:58,040 --> 00:15:00,920 Speaker 5: even the king signed on to this because the king, 274 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:04,280 Speaker 5: the King said, you know, I don't want to seem intolerant. 275 00:15:04,800 --> 00:15:08,600 Speaker 5: I don't want to seem like I'm politically incorrect. I 276 00:15:08,640 --> 00:15:11,320 Speaker 5: don't want to seem like I'm not listening to the 277 00:15:11,360 --> 00:15:12,960 Speaker 5: grievances of the people. 278 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:15,120 Speaker 2: So of course the king goes along with it, and 279 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:16,119 Speaker 2: the King says. 280 00:15:16,080 --> 00:15:18,040 Speaker 5: Well, yeah, we've got to Listen, we've got these are 281 00:15:18,080 --> 00:15:21,000 Speaker 5: some great ideas that these guys have about all the 282 00:15:21,040 --> 00:15:24,120 Speaker 5: things that we can do to make France better. We're 283 00:15:24,120 --> 00:15:26,800 Speaker 5: just gonna you know, it's really just about inclusion. It's 284 00:15:26,840 --> 00:15:30,680 Speaker 5: really about diversity. It's really about equity and equality fraternity 285 00:15:30,680 --> 00:15:32,600 Speaker 5: of course what they refer to it at the time. 286 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:35,560 Speaker 5: And oh, letting the political prisoners go from the best deal. 287 00:15:35,640 --> 00:15:37,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, sure, we're going to do all of that. We're 288 00:15:37,240 --> 00:15:38,120 Speaker 2: going to do all these things. 289 00:15:38,160 --> 00:15:41,680 Speaker 5: Don't don't lock these people up, No, actually treat them 290 00:15:41,800 --> 00:15:47,280 Speaker 5: in good faith and give them power. Don't summarily round 291 00:15:47,360 --> 00:15:48,880 Speaker 5: them up and execute them. 292 00:15:49,000 --> 00:15:50,800 Speaker 2: We're going to go along with all of it. 293 00:15:50,840 --> 00:15:53,880 Speaker 5: And it's the same type of behavior you see from 294 00:15:53,920 --> 00:15:56,760 Speaker 5: the House Republicans today that you see from so many 295 00:15:56,800 --> 00:16:00,440 Speaker 5: elected Republicans that say, guys, guys, guys, let's just work together. 296 00:16:00,720 --> 00:16:04,720 Speaker 5: Let's find a compromise. Look, they want to execute everyone, 297 00:16:05,120 --> 00:16:06,880 Speaker 5: so we're gonna find them in a compromise. 298 00:16:06,920 --> 00:16:07,480 Speaker 2: It's really nice. 299 00:16:07,520 --> 00:16:10,480 Speaker 5: We're gonna only gonna let them execute half of the 300 00:16:10,560 --> 00:16:12,840 Speaker 5: people and the other half are going to go to jail. 301 00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:14,920 Speaker 2: See you see, it's it's much better this way. 302 00:16:14,960 --> 00:16:18,440 Speaker 5: And Jesse, it's this idea of and I see it 303 00:16:18,480 --> 00:16:19,800 Speaker 5: on the right today and you can see it on 304 00:16:20,280 --> 00:16:21,840 Speaker 5: and now at the time would have been the monarchists 305 00:16:21,920 --> 00:16:25,160 Speaker 5: back then or the traditionalists the unshenned regime in France. 306 00:16:25,480 --> 00:16:28,200 Speaker 2: It's it's are you addicted to rules? 307 00:16:28,480 --> 00:16:31,400 Speaker 5: And are are you addicted to principles and you don't 308 00:16:31,440 --> 00:16:37,800 Speaker 5: care anything about power? Versus people who have no principles whatsoever, 309 00:16:38,120 --> 00:16:42,200 Speaker 5: and yet are addicted to power. Like we say follow 310 00:16:42,240 --> 00:16:45,000 Speaker 5: the money in politics a lot or and investigations, what 311 00:16:45,080 --> 00:16:47,720 Speaker 5: these guys do is they follow the power, and the 312 00:16:47,880 --> 00:16:52,000 Speaker 5: power will flow to the most brutal, the most repressive, 313 00:16:52,320 --> 00:16:55,480 Speaker 5: the most ruthless members of the revolutionaries. 314 00:16:55,520 --> 00:16:57,760 Speaker 2: And this, of course was the Jacobin Club. 315 00:16:57,960 --> 00:17:00,600 Speaker 5: So if you have no principles, just like the response 316 00:17:00,640 --> 00:17:03,120 Speaker 5: we're seeing to the Supreme Court right now, then they 317 00:17:03,280 --> 00:17:06,119 Speaker 5: view that as a free license to go and kill 318 00:17:06,200 --> 00:17:09,040 Speaker 5: whoever they want. And when I say they're going mask off, 319 00:17:09,119 --> 00:17:09,640 Speaker 5: is it's. 320 00:17:09,440 --> 00:17:11,760 Speaker 2: Not mask off. They're always liked this. 321 00:17:11,920 --> 00:17:15,760 Speaker 5: They've been like this for two hundred fifty years, and 322 00:17:15,840 --> 00:17:19,560 Speaker 5: for some reason people on our side don't seem to 323 00:17:19,600 --> 00:17:19,960 Speaker 5: get it. 324 00:17:21,840 --> 00:17:23,639 Speaker 1: Why don't we get it, Jack? Is it that we 325 00:17:23,680 --> 00:17:25,680 Speaker 1: don't want to get it? Or are we just cowards. 326 00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:28,639 Speaker 1: I think it's a little both. I do think it's 327 00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:29,200 Speaker 1: a little both. 328 00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:31,119 Speaker 5: And I also think that there's a bit of a 329 00:17:31,240 --> 00:17:32,399 Speaker 5: martyrdom fetish. 330 00:17:32,440 --> 00:17:35,919 Speaker 2: I think that exists on the right. I think it 331 00:17:35,960 --> 00:17:36,800 Speaker 2: comes from. 332 00:17:36,640 --> 00:17:38,480 Speaker 5: This idea that you know, if I'm going to go 333 00:17:39,080 --> 00:17:42,240 Speaker 5: to be, you know, to be shot in the head 334 00:17:42,320 --> 00:17:44,959 Speaker 5: or executed for my beliefs, then that will show that 335 00:17:45,040 --> 00:17:48,640 Speaker 5: I'm the better person, and that will show that I 336 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:52,000 Speaker 5: am actually the more principled person. As you're an out principle, 337 00:17:52,080 --> 00:17:55,000 Speaker 5: your enemies, well, guess what, boys and girls, they don't 338 00:17:55,040 --> 00:17:57,760 Speaker 5: care about your principles. And I hope that your principles 339 00:17:57,760 --> 00:18:00,439 Speaker 5: matter a lot while your children are being in the 340 00:18:00,440 --> 00:18:01,320 Speaker 5: street in front of. 341 00:18:01,280 --> 00:18:03,640 Speaker 2: You, like was done with the Bolsheviks. 342 00:18:03,720 --> 00:18:05,639 Speaker 5: I hope that your principles matter a lot to you 343 00:18:05,920 --> 00:18:08,639 Speaker 5: when your wife is being ravaged in front of you, 344 00:18:08,800 --> 00:18:12,200 Speaker 5: like happened in Spain, when the nuns and priests are 345 00:18:12,240 --> 00:18:15,320 Speaker 5: being killed and raped on the altars. I hope that 346 00:18:15,359 --> 00:18:18,199 Speaker 5: your principles work out really well. But don't worry, because 347 00:18:18,359 --> 00:18:22,520 Speaker 5: we are more principled than them. And it's this terrifying 348 00:18:22,520 --> 00:18:24,639 Speaker 5: and this is where the cowardist part comes in, because 349 00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:26,680 Speaker 5: they claim it's martyred, and they claim, and the first 350 00:18:26,760 --> 00:18:30,399 Speaker 5: layer of that is the martyrdom fetish, but the second 351 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:34,600 Speaker 5: layer is ultimately cowardice. The second layer is cowardice because 352 00:18:34,920 --> 00:18:36,439 Speaker 5: if I claim I want to be a martyr, then 353 00:18:36,480 --> 00:18:39,119 Speaker 5: that means, oh, I don't have to do anything. I 354 00:18:39,119 --> 00:18:41,480 Speaker 5: don't actually have to do any work. I don't actually 355 00:18:41,560 --> 00:18:44,600 Speaker 5: have to go around and text message my friends or 356 00:18:44,680 --> 00:18:47,800 Speaker 5: who cares about the fact that the local library is 357 00:18:48,119 --> 00:18:52,760 Speaker 5: putting queer and LGBT and DEI and anti racist baby 358 00:18:52,800 --> 00:18:57,040 Speaker 5: everywhere in their town? Because guess what, the leftists don't 359 00:18:57,240 --> 00:19:00,199 Speaker 5: think about this. The leftists look at your library and 360 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:02,360 Speaker 5: they say, oh, this is a place where I can 361 00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:05,240 Speaker 5: push my beliefs, So they will take over your library. 362 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:06,879 Speaker 5: And this is every library in America. And you can 363 00:19:06,920 --> 00:19:09,199 Speaker 5: see the table when you first walk in. That's what 364 00:19:09,280 --> 00:19:12,000 Speaker 5: you'll see. Then the leftist says, oh, I can go 365 00:19:12,320 --> 00:19:15,600 Speaker 5: and take over the parks department by the parks department, 366 00:19:15,680 --> 00:19:18,560 Speaker 5: because I want my gay pride and my trans and 367 00:19:18,600 --> 00:19:21,080 Speaker 5: my dragged parades, and now I'm going to be hosting 368 00:19:21,119 --> 00:19:22,760 Speaker 5: those in the local playground. 369 00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:24,480 Speaker 2: And because everybody else around. 370 00:19:24,280 --> 00:19:25,280 Speaker 5: Them is going to say, O, I don't want to 371 00:19:25,359 --> 00:19:27,119 Speaker 5: rock the boat or I don't want to stand up 372 00:19:27,160 --> 00:19:30,320 Speaker 5: and do anything about this. You don't fight back, and 373 00:19:30,359 --> 00:19:33,720 Speaker 5: eventually those people will win and run rough shot over 374 00:19:33,760 --> 00:19:38,399 Speaker 5: you because they are short circuiting this issue that exists 375 00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:41,800 Speaker 5: in Western civilization, this idea that we should treat everyone fairly, 376 00:19:42,080 --> 00:19:43,080 Speaker 5: treat everyone fairly. 377 00:19:43,160 --> 00:19:44,240 Speaker 2: Well, here's what I say, Jesse. 378 00:19:44,680 --> 00:19:47,720 Speaker 5: I think that we should treat people the way that 379 00:19:47,880 --> 00:19:50,679 Speaker 5: they treat us, and I think that we should treat 380 00:19:50,720 --> 00:19:53,359 Speaker 5: them exactly the way that they treat us. And if 381 00:19:53,400 --> 00:19:56,359 Speaker 5: the code of Hammurabi and I for an eye is 382 00:19:56,400 --> 00:19:58,360 Speaker 5: a little bit too much for people. 383 00:19:58,200 --> 00:19:59,960 Speaker 2: Then I'm sorry. You may not be cut out for 384 00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:00,960 Speaker 2: what needs to be done. 385 00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:03,160 Speaker 4: Jack. 386 00:20:03,280 --> 00:20:07,040 Speaker 1: How did a revolution in France lead to these other 387 00:20:07,080 --> 00:20:10,840 Speaker 1: revolutions as you shoild Russia Spanish? How could one lead 388 00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:11,199 Speaker 1: to the other? 389 00:20:11,280 --> 00:20:14,719 Speaker 2: What does that happen? So it happens because you get 390 00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:15,680 Speaker 2: the Communist Manifesto. 391 00:20:15,760 --> 00:20:18,000 Speaker 5: It gets written a couple of decades later after the 392 00:20:18,040 --> 00:20:21,199 Speaker 5: French Revolution. It takes all these ideas up that we 393 00:20:21,240 --> 00:20:25,439 Speaker 5: are ruled by the system of evil capitalism, and we 394 00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:28,800 Speaker 5: are ruled by these horrifically evil monarchs who need to 395 00:20:28,840 --> 00:20:30,480 Speaker 5: be taken out, who need to be killed, who need 396 00:20:30,520 --> 00:20:31,000 Speaker 5: to destroyed. 397 00:20:31,040 --> 00:20:34,359 Speaker 2: And by the way, this starts happening all across Europe. 398 00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:37,760 Speaker 5: They start assassinating kings, they start assassinating queens. 399 00:20:37,840 --> 00:20:38,960 Speaker 2: These are of Russia. 400 00:20:39,119 --> 00:20:42,199 Speaker 5: Sar Alexander gets killed by a hand grenade. Oh and 401 00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:44,400 Speaker 5: by the way, you would think nothing that could ever 402 00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:46,280 Speaker 5: happen here in the United States, thank goodness, would never 403 00:20:46,320 --> 00:20:48,919 Speaker 5: Oh wait, but in nineteen oh one, actually just a 404 00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:51,480 Speaker 5: couple of years after, a couple decades after the Commuist 405 00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:55,680 Speaker 5: Revolution comes out and anarcho socialist walks up to President 406 00:20:55,760 --> 00:20:58,240 Speaker 5: McKinley and shoots and kills him. And this is how 407 00:20:58,240 --> 00:21:00,720 Speaker 5: we get Teddy Roosevelt as our young because president he 408 00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:03,160 Speaker 5: was VP at the time. No one even gets taught 409 00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:07,560 Speaker 5: that one of these anarchosocialist assassins kills a president of 410 00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:10,320 Speaker 5: the United States during this preer. We just get told, oh, 411 00:21:10,359 --> 00:21:12,119 Speaker 5: that was just the first red scare, and that's a 412 00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:14,960 Speaker 5: bunch of these red baiting politicians like Joseph McCarthy want 413 00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:16,880 Speaker 5: to talk about the kind of stuff we really because 414 00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:19,160 Speaker 5: they killed one of our presidents. So you know, fast 415 00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:22,560 Speaker 5: warning or go back a little bit now to Europe. 416 00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:26,000 Speaker 5: Remember that happens so the assassination McKinley takes place even 417 00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:29,720 Speaker 5: before the Bolshevik Revolution, because you get this idea and 418 00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:32,240 Speaker 5: a lot of this is predicated on the industrial revolution, 419 00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:35,840 Speaker 5: and the elites get so much power. The elites just 420 00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:39,600 Speaker 5: lorded over people, and then you get the unhuman class. 421 00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:42,280 Speaker 5: And the unhuman class walks around and says, you see 422 00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:44,520 Speaker 5: how you're living in squalor, and you see how all 423 00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:47,800 Speaker 5: those people are doing better than you. Well, instead of 424 00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:49,919 Speaker 5: working with them and trying to come up with some 425 00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:52,320 Speaker 5: kind of reform and trying to, I don't know, maybe 426 00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:54,160 Speaker 5: do something to make things a little bit more fair 427 00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:57,600 Speaker 5: around here, or working on better wages for the workers, let's. 428 00:21:57,400 --> 00:21:59,560 Speaker 2: Just go kill them. Let's go kill them. 429 00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:03,760 Speaker 5: Rap their wives, let's murder their children, rape their children. 430 00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:05,600 Speaker 2: Who cares, and we'll. 431 00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:09,399 Speaker 5: Do so with the justification that we are on the 432 00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:10,320 Speaker 5: right side. 433 00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:12,760 Speaker 2: And this is what Karl Marx gives them. 434 00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:16,200 Speaker 5: And so suddenly you see this with Lenin, because Lenin 435 00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:19,359 Speaker 5: takes Marxism and adds something a little piece to it. 436 00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:21,320 Speaker 2: What he says is, well, the workers don't seem to. 437 00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:22,879 Speaker 5: Be doing this on their own, so we need to 438 00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:27,000 Speaker 5: institute something called the revolutionary vanguard. And the revolutionary vanguard 439 00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:31,119 Speaker 5: is Lenin going around to all the freaks, to the creatures, 440 00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:34,480 Speaker 5: the bug people, all around where he can find them 441 00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:38,879 Speaker 5: in Russia, putting together what's been called a coalition of 442 00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:42,280 Speaker 5: the fringes and saying, in order for us to fix Russia, 443 00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:46,560 Speaker 5: we have to go kill everyone and take all their stuff. 444 00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:49,639 Speaker 5: And he's able to do so with great effect. And 445 00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:53,679 Speaker 5: the Romanops, by the way, early on, as horrific as 446 00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:55,920 Speaker 5: it turns out for them, they do the same thing. 447 00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:58,080 Speaker 5: Where they go along. He said, well, if I just abdicate, 448 00:22:58,119 --> 00:22:59,480 Speaker 5: then all of this will go away. 449 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:01,280 Speaker 2: I just but I'll stay. 450 00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:03,399 Speaker 5: Here, and you know, we can work together and we 451 00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:06,680 Speaker 5: can find a better way forward for Russia, rather than 452 00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:10,600 Speaker 5: just order the army to crush the revolutionaries outright crush 453 00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:14,200 Speaker 5: the Bolsheviks. No, Romanov doesn't order this. And by the way, 454 00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:16,840 Speaker 5: I'm not saying in any way that he deserved what 455 00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:20,280 Speaker 5: he got, because eventually what they did was they said, oh, great, 456 00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:21,160 Speaker 5: you've abdicated. 457 00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:23,119 Speaker 2: That's wonderful. Now you're under arrest. 458 00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:25,440 Speaker 5: Now we're going to lock up you and your wife 459 00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:27,720 Speaker 5: and your children, all Christian by the way, We're going 460 00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:30,320 Speaker 5: to cart you out to the Middle of the forest 461 00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:34,360 Speaker 5: in Siberia, and one night, late in the night, we're 462 00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:36,040 Speaker 5: gonna wake you up, and we're going to bring you 463 00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:37,879 Speaker 5: down to the basement and we're going to shoot you 464 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:42,000 Speaker 5: and bayonet your children against the wall. That's what happens 465 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:45,360 Speaker 5: when you go along with people. That's exactly what happened. 466 00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:49,320 Speaker 5: Even young little Prince Alexi is bayoneted against the wall 467 00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:52,200 Speaker 5: and then eventually shot in the head. So again, when 468 00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:55,800 Speaker 5: you're dealing with people who have no principles, dealing with 469 00:23:55,840 --> 00:24:02,400 Speaker 5: people whose highest calling is oppressive warfare, murder and violence, 470 00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:06,679 Speaker 5: then it will always end in piled Remember Jesse and 471 00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:08,240 Speaker 5: you read the Great book on in this as well, 472 00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:09,359 Speaker 5: that the communists. 473 00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:10,960 Speaker 2: People say, why do the spore communism? 474 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:13,320 Speaker 5: How can people still spot communism even after it's killed 475 00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:15,399 Speaker 5: one hundred million people. I say, they look at a 476 00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:18,080 Speaker 5: one hundred million people as a good start. They want 477 00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:22,840 Speaker 5: to increase that number because remember those were those were fascists, 478 00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:25,199 Speaker 5: and those were anti communists, and those were people who 479 00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:29,439 Speaker 5: are against the revolution, those were right wing extremists, and 480 00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:31,560 Speaker 5: so those people are all. 481 00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:31,920 Speaker 2: In the way. 482 00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:37,000 Speaker 5: Remember, communism is only, always, ever, only one genocide away 483 00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:38,520 Speaker 5: from total utopia. 484 00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:43,440 Speaker 1: That is a fact, my friend, the book is Unhumans. 485 00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:45,760 Speaker 1: You need to pick up your phone right now and 486 00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:49,120 Speaker 1: go order it. It's awesome. It really is freaking awesome book, Jack, 487 00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:51,760 Speaker 1: my brother. As always, I appreciate you very much. On 488 00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:54,840 Speaker 1: Humans available wherever books are sold. 489 00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:57,040 Speaker 2: All right, done? 490 00:24:57,119 --> 00:25:17,920 Speaker 1: Yet, what about Mao's Revolution next? Speaking of ugly revolutions, 491 00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:20,639 Speaker 1: there have been many of them. I'm sure the competition 492 00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:23,560 Speaker 1: is fierce, but I have a hard time thinking of 493 00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:28,840 Speaker 1: a more horrific one than Mao's Cultural Revolution. This is 494 00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:31,800 Speaker 1: one that's not widely taught in American schools, mainly because 495 00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:34,600 Speaker 1: American schools are full of dirty Communists and they don't 496 00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:36,520 Speaker 1: want you to know about it. But it was a 497 00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:39,320 Speaker 1: horrible affair. Let's bring in the man who wrote the 498 00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:42,359 Speaker 1: book on it, Stephen Moser, author of the book. Wonderful book, 499 00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:45,119 Speaker 1: terrible book, but you know what I mean. The devil 500 00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:48,119 Speaker 1: in communists China? Okay, Stephen, Before we get to the 501 00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:53,200 Speaker 1: cultural revolution, can you help us understand why Mau needed one. 502 00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:56,920 Speaker 1: The Communis had had China since nineteen forty nine, they'd 503 00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:58,800 Speaker 1: been in power for what seventeen years? 504 00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:02,400 Speaker 2: Why did he need a revolution? Why was a revolution necessary? 505 00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:03,880 Speaker 2: They had a revolution they won. 506 00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:09,280 Speaker 4: Well. This was factional fighting within the Chinese Communist Party. 507 00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:14,000 Speaker 4: This was an effort by Chairman Mao to recover his 508 00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:18,720 Speaker 4: power and prestige that he had lost because of fifteen 509 00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:22,800 Speaker 4: years of mismanagement of the Chinese economy. Remember they took 510 00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:25,080 Speaker 4: power in nineteen forty nine, to be sure. And then 511 00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:29,760 Speaker 4: they prosecuted, persecuted, and killed the landlord so called the 512 00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:33,719 Speaker 4: rich peasants. They prosecuted and persecuted and tortured and killed 513 00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:37,360 Speaker 4: millions of people who were formerly with the nationalist regime, 514 00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:42,920 Speaker 4: who had been in the government of that earlier, earlier 515 00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:47,399 Speaker 4: ruler of China. They killed, tortured many, many people who 516 00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:52,199 Speaker 4: were intellectuals who opposed the Communists for various reasons. And 517 00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:56,360 Speaker 4: then Chairman Mao launched the Great Proletarian, a great leap 518 00:26:56,400 --> 00:27:01,600 Speaker 4: forward in nineteen fifty seven, forcing six million villagers into 519 00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:06,840 Speaker 4: huge people's communes that ended in a absolute disaster. Forty 520 00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:10,439 Speaker 4: five million people died in the worst famine in human 521 00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:15,080 Speaker 4: history from nineteen sixty to nineteen sixty two. It was 522 00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:19,000 Speaker 4: an unnecessary famine. It was a man made famine, a 523 00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:21,520 Speaker 4: mal made famine, really, you should say, because it was 524 00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:25,200 Speaker 4: made by Chairman Mao, and at that point Chairman Mao's 525 00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:29,000 Speaker 4: prestige had dropped fairly low within the ranks of the 526 00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:33,600 Speaker 4: Chinese Communist Party. In fact, he has senior premier, the 527 00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:36,440 Speaker 4: guy who had worked sold at the shoulder within for decades. 528 00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:40,560 Speaker 4: The Oshauchi came to him in nineteen sixty two and said, 529 00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:47,640 Speaker 4: history is going to reveal us as the worst murderers 530 00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:51,159 Speaker 4: in Chinese history. We've killed forty five million Chinese. Let 531 00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:55,040 Speaker 4: them starve to death. Mao never forgave him for that slight, 532 00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:59,199 Speaker 4: so the other Communist leaders pushed Mao back into the 533 00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:03,760 Speaker 4: second rank, and the Cultural Revolution was really an effort 534 00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:08,280 Speaker 4: by Mao to get back in control of all of China. 535 00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:11,639 Speaker 4: Now it purports to be something else, right, because the 536 00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:16,160 Speaker 4: Communists never tell you exactly what they're about. The ostensible 537 00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:21,200 Speaker 4: purpose for the Cultural Revolution was to destroy traditional Chinese culture, 538 00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:25,879 Speaker 4: to destroy any connections that Chinese people had with the West. 539 00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:29,040 Speaker 4: Anyone who had foreign relatives, anyone who could speak a 540 00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:33,359 Speaker 4: foreign language like English, anyone who was a student of 541 00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:38,720 Speaker 4: Confucius or Mensius or admired traditional Chinese culture was an enemy. 542 00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:43,200 Speaker 4: And he mobilized tens of millions of Red Guards throughout 543 00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:47,800 Speaker 4: the country to attack these supposed enemies. But within those 544 00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:50,760 Speaker 4: tens of millions of Red Guards Jesse, he had some 545 00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:54,440 Speaker 4: special groups. And these special groups, which were run by 546 00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:58,760 Speaker 4: his wife Chiang Qing his fourth wife by the way, 547 00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:03,480 Speaker 4: Jiang Qing, were used to target his political enemies within 548 00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:07,560 Speaker 4: the Chinese Communist Party. And guess what. Leo Shauci, the 549 00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:11,360 Speaker 4: head of government who had criticized Mao saying, you know, 550 00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:15,280 Speaker 4: we're going to be remembered as as mass murderers because 551 00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:17,720 Speaker 4: of the people who died during the famine. He was 552 00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:21,280 Speaker 4: the first to be arrested. And they tortured and killed 553 00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:25,880 Speaker 4: Leo Shauci at Mao's order. And then the next to 554 00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:28,840 Speaker 4: go was Pung dav Whi. He was a general who'd 555 00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:31,920 Speaker 4: been a leading general in the Civil War in the 556 00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:36,360 Speaker 4: nineteen thirties and forties. He actually saved Mao's life a 557 00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:39,600 Speaker 4: couple of times, a general Pung Dahai did. But he 558 00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:43,479 Speaker 4: too had criticized the Great Leap Forward ten years before, 559 00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:46,600 Speaker 4: and he too was the target of these special Red 560 00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:49,960 Speaker 4: Guard groups which were targeting Mao's political enemies. Pungdal Wai 561 00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:53,120 Speaker 4: was a tough old bird. They tortured him for years 562 00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:55,760 Speaker 4: before they were able to kill him, but they finally did, 563 00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:58,440 Speaker 4: and then there was Premier Joe in line. Now, Joe 564 00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:01,160 Speaker 4: and Lai had purported to be loyal to Chairman Mao 565 00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:03,880 Speaker 4: during the Great Lean Forward, but he too had questioned 566 00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:06,360 Speaker 4: some of the policies, and that was enough to get 567 00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:11,280 Speaker 4: him killed by Chairman Mao. Actually not outright, this was 568 00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:14,720 Speaker 4: killing without shedding blood, because what happened with Joe and 569 00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:18,120 Speaker 4: Lai the longtime premiere that people will remember because he's 570 00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:21,719 Speaker 4: the one that Kissinger Henry because you're met with on 571 00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:27,200 Speaker 4: the first secret trip to China. So, Joe and Lai 572 00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:31,520 Speaker 4: had bladder cancer, and the doctors came to Chairman Mao 573 00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:34,640 Speaker 4: and said, Joe and Lai, Premier Joe has bladder cancer. 574 00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:37,800 Speaker 4: We need to treat it immediately. And Chairman Mao, remembering 575 00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:41,200 Speaker 4: that Joe and Lai at once what slighted him, said no, 576 00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:45,320 Speaker 4: don't treat the cancer. Let it spread. Don't tell Premiere 577 00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:49,160 Speaker 4: show that he has cancer. Let it die. The Cultural 578 00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:54,480 Speaker 4: Revolution resulted in the deaths of twenty million Chinese resulted 579 00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:57,920 Speaker 4: in the deaths of one hundred million others. It led 580 00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:02,480 Speaker 4: to some really terrible things like political canibalism, Now, there 581 00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:05,480 Speaker 4: had been cannibalism before in Chinese history. During the Great 582 00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:09,200 Speaker 4: Leap Forward, people were starving to death, and there were 583 00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:12,720 Speaker 4: credible reports of people eating the dead bodies of neighbors. 584 00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:16,680 Speaker 4: But in the Cultural Revolution in nineteen sixty six, sixty seven, 585 00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:21,640 Speaker 4: and sixty eight, there was political cannibalism, not caused by hunger, 586 00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:27,000 Speaker 4: but caused by a desire to absolutely humiliate one's enemies 587 00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:30,000 Speaker 4: in the party, Mao's enemies in the party. And so 588 00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:33,760 Speaker 4: they would not only torture and kill their political victims, 589 00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:36,920 Speaker 4: the enemies of Mao, they would actually desecrate their bodies 590 00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:40,560 Speaker 4: by cutting them open and parting out the pieces to 591 00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:45,120 Speaker 4: the other Red Guards. Political cannibalism, now mal once famously said, 592 00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:47,520 Speaker 4: you know, a revolution is not a dinner party. But 593 00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:51,360 Speaker 4: in the Cultural Revolution, Jesse, it almost became one. 594 00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:56,160 Speaker 1: Good brief Okay, Steve, Obviously I have a million questions 595 00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:59,479 Speaker 1: I could ask, but can you help me understand why 596 00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:02,560 Speaker 1: did struction of so much of China's history? 597 00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:04,240 Speaker 2: China has an incredible history. 598 00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:06,880 Speaker 1: It's hard to find a period of time in the 599 00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:09,760 Speaker 1: known history of the world where China wasn't prominent in 600 00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:15,920 Speaker 1: doing wonderful things. But you're desecrating Confucius. Help me understand why. 601 00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:18,320 Speaker 1: What was Mao's acts to grind with these things? 602 00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:24,600 Speaker 4: Well, Mao was a committed communist. He was determined to 603 00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:29,400 Speaker 4: burn everything to the ground, to raise traditional confusion culture 604 00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:34,120 Speaker 4: to the ground, and out of that complete destruction of 605 00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:37,520 Speaker 4: the past, he was going to build paradise. You see, 606 00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:40,920 Speaker 4: it's the fantasy of every communist leader. They're going to 607 00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:43,120 Speaker 4: create paradise on earth. They're going to create a new 608 00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:46,640 Speaker 4: socialist man, a new socialist woman. But they have to 609 00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:48,800 Speaker 4: start from ground zero. They have to start from a 610 00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:52,239 Speaker 4: blank slate, a tabula rasa. And in order to get 611 00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:55,480 Speaker 4: that blank slate they wanted mal wanted to destroy all 612 00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:58,960 Speaker 4: of Chinese history, all of China's culture, and so he 613 00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:01,800 Speaker 4: could basically start over. What he did was he was 614 00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:05,760 Speaker 4: very very good at the destruction part, there's no question 615 00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:09,000 Speaker 4: about that. But he wasn't very good about building anything 616 00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:13,640 Speaker 4: back after the destruction. But at base, the cultural revolution 617 00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:17,560 Speaker 4: was not just about destroying traditional Chinese culture and creating 618 00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:20,360 Speaker 4: a new socialist man a new socialist woman. At the 619 00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:25,320 Speaker 4: heart of it was this megalomaniac, this bloodthirsty mass murder, 620 00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:29,040 Speaker 4: the worst mass murder in human history, wanted to get 621 00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:32,440 Speaker 4: back the reigne of power, wanted to destroy his enemies 622 00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:36,440 Speaker 4: and the party, and to a certain extent, the ten 623 00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:38,600 Speaker 4: twenty million people who died and the one hundred million 624 00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:42,000 Speaker 4: people who were persecuted, they were just collateral damage to 625 00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:47,959 Speaker 4: this factional fighting within the Chinese Communist Party. That's the 626 00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:49,840 Speaker 4: real tragedy of the Cultural Revolution. 627 00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:56,520 Speaker 1: There's so many bodies, so much suffering. Stephen, I want 628 00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:58,520 Speaker 1: people to read the book obviously get a lot more 629 00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:02,000 Speaker 1: detail on this, But can you help me understand, Mao, 630 00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:05,240 Speaker 1: how could a human being look it's you can make 631 00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:07,520 Speaker 1: the argument, and I would make the argument that he's 632 00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:09,000 Speaker 1: the most evil human being. 633 00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:10,040 Speaker 2: To ever walk the planet. 634 00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:14,360 Speaker 1: How does one go from being a armor's son to 635 00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:17,560 Speaker 1: being the worst human being to ever walk the earth? 636 00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:20,640 Speaker 2: How well? 637 00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:23,040 Speaker 4: I mean, you know, we all face choices in our life, 638 00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:25,920 Speaker 4: and Mao is a very young man, decided that and 639 00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:28,520 Speaker 4: he wrote this. He wrote, there are other people and 640 00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:31,120 Speaker 4: things in the world, but they're only there from my 641 00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:34,400 Speaker 4: use and my pleasure. So from a very early age 642 00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:38,960 Speaker 4: he rejected Confucianism. He rejected the silver rule, do not 643 00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:40,800 Speaker 4: do unto others what you would not have them do 644 00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:45,680 Speaker 4: under you. And he adopted a totally materialistic, totally utilitarian 645 00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:48,280 Speaker 4: view of other people. There are other people and things 646 00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:50,319 Speaker 4: in the world that they're just there from my use 647 00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:54,759 Speaker 4: and from my pleasure, And so he consciously chose to 648 00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:58,360 Speaker 4: go down that path. He totally lacked compassion for other people. 649 00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:02,799 Speaker 4: If you read you know about his his his his, 650 00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:06,360 Speaker 4: his life, you find that he had absolutely no feeling 651 00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:08,560 Speaker 4: for anyone else. He may never have loved anyone else 652 00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:12,160 Speaker 4: in his entire life. The other odd thing about maw was, 653 00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:14,759 Speaker 4: and this is this is very interesting to me as 654 00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:18,080 Speaker 4: a cultural anthropologist. When he was a small boy, he 655 00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:21,120 Speaker 4: was actually taken out to a stone god outside the 656 00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:25,320 Speaker 4: village where he lived by his mother, and he was rebaptized. 657 00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:27,680 Speaker 4: He was given a new name before this stone god, 658 00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:31,400 Speaker 4: this stone monolith, and and he was called the third 659 00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:35,200 Speaker 4: Son of the Monolith. His his original name had been Mauzetongue. 660 00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:37,799 Speaker 4: Of course we all know mau Zeton, but his mother 661 00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:40,279 Speaker 4: gave him the name third Son of the Monolith, or 662 00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:43,800 Speaker 4: third Son of Stone. And he very proudly and often 663 00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:47,480 Speaker 4: referred to himself as the third Son of Stone. And 664 00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:50,680 Speaker 4: the man really did have a heart of stone. He 665 00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:55,200 Speaker 4: was only out for himself from the beginning, and the 666 00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:59,600 Speaker 4: result was was mass carnage, mass butchery in China, worst 667 00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:05,000 Speaker 4: mass in human history. One hundred million people died in 668 00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:08,120 Speaker 4: purges and famines. We talked about the Great Famine, of course, 669 00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:11,600 Speaker 4: forty five million, other twenty million in the Cultural Revolution, 670 00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:15,480 Speaker 4: other tens of millions in various purges and persecutions. And 671 00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:18,520 Speaker 4: then there are the four hundred million unborn children who 672 00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:21,799 Speaker 4: died as a result of the one child policy. Now, 673 00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:25,359 Speaker 4: the one child policy didn't begin until after Mao's death 674 00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:27,680 Speaker 4: in nineteen eighty when I was in China for the 675 00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:32,560 Speaker 4: first time, but Mao was the intellectual progenitor of the policy. 676 00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:36,640 Speaker 4: He was provided the intellectual foundation of the policy because 677 00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:39,760 Speaker 4: way back in nineteen fifty eight, he said, we need 678 00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:44,759 Speaker 4: a ministry of reproduction, a ministry of reproduction, because we're 679 00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:47,760 Speaker 4: a socialist country and we should be controlling the birth 680 00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:50,520 Speaker 4: of babies the same way that we're controlling the production 681 00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:54,640 Speaker 4: of steel, the production of bicycles. He said, we need 682 00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:58,319 Speaker 4: to be in control of reproduction. Well, twenty two years later, 683 00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:01,719 Speaker 4: in nineteen eighty, the Chinese Communist Party acted on that 684 00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:05,719 Speaker 4: suggestion and put in place the one child policy and 685 00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:08,560 Speaker 4: The other thing you have to say about the whole 686 00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:13,400 Speaker 4: killing spree that Mao launched, is this, the Communist Party 687 00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:17,439 Speaker 4: of China, as all communist parties do, has to have 688 00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:20,439 Speaker 4: a target, has to have an enemy. It always has 689 00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:23,759 Speaker 4: to have an enemy of the state to refocus the 690 00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:27,800 Speaker 4: righteous anger of the people against the party for its corruption, 691 00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:31,880 Speaker 4: for its murderous practices, to redirect the righteous anger of 692 00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:34,400 Speaker 4: the people away from the Communist Party and awake from 693 00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:38,040 Speaker 4: its leaders like Chairman Mao, towards another group. And it 694 00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:43,560 Speaker 4: was originally the landlords, the entrepreneurs, the intellectuals, but then 695 00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:46,040 Speaker 4: in nineteen eighty, for the first time in human history, 696 00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:50,240 Speaker 4: the enemy of the state, Jesse, became the unborn child. 697 00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:52,360 Speaker 4: It was the unborn child who was standing in the 698 00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:55,200 Speaker 4: way of China's greatness. It was the unborn children of 699 00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:57,800 Speaker 4: China who were standing in the way of China's progress, 700 00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:01,640 Speaker 4: China's becoming a first world now, China becoming the dominant 701 00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:05,640 Speaker 4: power in the world. And on this altar, which kind 702 00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:08,959 Speaker 4: of in a symbolic way, is similar to the old 703 00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:13,160 Speaker 4: altars in which the Canaanites and the Philistines and the 704 00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:18,520 Speaker 4: Aztecs practiced human sacrifice on those altars. Four hundred million 705 00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:21,600 Speaker 4: unborn children were sacrificed as enemies of the state. So 706 00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:25,520 Speaker 4: the total number of people who have died at the 707 00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:28,799 Speaker 4: hands of the Chinese Communist Party over the seventy five 708 00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:32,600 Speaker 4: years of its misery is five hundred million. I know 709 00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:35,000 Speaker 4: that's a number of people can't wrap their minds around. 710 00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:38,360 Speaker 4: But every one of those it was a living, breathing 711 00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:41,239 Speaker 4: human being. Every one of those had human dignity and 712 00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:45,359 Speaker 4: innate human dignity and had their life torn away from 713 00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:49,520 Speaker 4: them by this system and by this megalmaniac, this paranoid 714 00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:51,600 Speaker 4: killer who was running it. 715 00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:56,880 Speaker 1: Agree he is Stephen Moser go by his book, Stephen, 716 00:38:56,920 --> 00:38:59,479 Speaker 1: Thank you so much. That was quite a window into 717 00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:02,640 Speaker 1: the life of a monster. Thank you, sir. We're not 718 00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:22,719 Speaker 1: done yet. Final thoughts next revolution. It is good that you, 719 00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:26,680 Speaker 1: an American, look fondly on the American Revolution, because it 720 00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:31,839 Speaker 1: was wonderful. Don't, however, fall in love with the concept 721 00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:36,640 Speaker 1: of revolution itself. As we just talked about, it doesn't 722 00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:41,800 Speaker 1: always work out that way. Yes, the existing thing is terrible. 723 00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:46,759 Speaker 1: That does not in any way mean the next thing 724 00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:51,080 Speaker 1: will be better. Keep that in mind as the mood 725 00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:54,759 Speaker 1: and the country drifts more and more towards just burn 726 00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:59,000 Speaker 1: everything down, civil war, things like that. These are not 727 00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:02,160 Speaker 1: things we should cheer for. We should cheer for things 728 00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:05,200 Speaker 1: writing themselves. I don't know that that can happen, not 729 00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:06,919 Speaker 1: even necessarily hopeful it will. 730 00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:10,360 Speaker 2: But revolution scary stuff. 731 00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:12,040 Speaker 1: All right, we'll do it again.