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Speaker 1: I'm gonna play I'm a play. Listen to that.

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Speaker 1: No? I didn't ask that question, all right, So.

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Speaker 1: They win the ACC.

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Speaker 1: And I really otherwise I don't think it would do

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Speaker 2: To be honest with you, I don't think that if

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Speaker 2: That's something that entire conferences have. Notre Dame's just got one.

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Speaker 2: What do you think about Oregon's chances of making the

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Speaker 1: Up, we don't know what it's going to look like.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe Oregon looks legit, but we can't even differentiate

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Speaker 2: this game may be close. What is the Rama Noodle Express? Well,

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Speaker 2: Me and a partner have honed this for several years,

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Speaker 2: My name is Josh Pate or you can go soft

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Speaker 2: Jay Yosh Pate. That works as well. And so we

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Speaker 2: miss really loved it. Now, Patrick, you asked for a

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Speaker 2: deeper dive. I'm going to give this to you on

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Speaker 2: tonight's episode of Late Kick Live, which is Tuesday night.

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Speaker 2: If you listen to the podcast version of that, that

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Speaker 2: means you'll get it tomorrow morning. So I'm going to

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Speaker 2: give you a deeper dive there. But I did want

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Speaker 2: to explain what the raw Manudle Express is. We do

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Speaker 2: five per week, and I could deliver them at any time,

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Speaker 2: including on this podcast. Spoiler alert, I don't have one today,

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Speaker 2: but I could and I will eventually be delivering some

446
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Speaker 2: because when the lines are right during the week dictates

447
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Speaker 2: when we want to move on them. I deliver them

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Speaker 2: all by Thursday night and we summarize them at the

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Speaker 2: end of the Thursday night show. So that's what the

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Speaker 2: Rama Noodle Express is for those of you, probably all

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Speaker 2: of you who that didn't make sense to. All Right,

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Speaker 2: we're going to take a quick ad break when we

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Speaker 2: come back. Oh man, we got a very very in

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Speaker 2: depth question from old friend of the show, Lame Lowball

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Speaker 2: and I'm going to do something that not a lot

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Speaker 2: of people do these days. I Am going to go

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Speaker 2: to bat for bowl season, and I'm going to tell

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Speaker 2: you I don't think there's anything wrong with it. Stay

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Speaker 2: with me, Lame lowball asks one of the pressing questions

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Speaker 2: of our time here, our college football time, at least

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Speaker 2: in a non COVID year.

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Speaker 1: What are your.

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Speaker 2: Thoughts on decreasing the number of bowl games in college football?

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Speaker 2: To me, it feels like a lot of bowl games

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Speaker 2: don't matter, and you can see it in the TV

466
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Speaker 2: ratings and the fans and the stands and the.

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Speaker 1: Players sitting out. If not decreasing the number of games,

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Speaker 1: how do we make bowl season better? All?

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Speaker 2: Right, here we go. Let me unpack this with my

470
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Speaker 2: personal theory. My personal theory is the old buffet theory.

471
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Speaker 2: On this, no one walks into a buffet and complains

472
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Speaker 2: cause there's too much food. I don't ever go into

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Speaker 2: bowl season complaining that there are too many games. First

474
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Speaker 2: thing I asked myself is what are the alternatives? What

475
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Speaker 2: would I be watching if not for this bowl game?

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Speaker 2: And the answer is nothing. There's you ever looked at

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Speaker 2: the TV lineup? December twenty second, December twenty seventh. Look,

478
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Speaker 2: and so there's nothing that is an alternative that I

479
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Speaker 2: want to watch. If I don't want to watch the game,

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Speaker 2: no one's forcing me to watch it. TV ratings, as

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Speaker 2: you mentioned there, for Bowl games, they do quite well. Actually,

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Speaker 2: I think that's just a little inaccurate, and they I'm

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Speaker 2: not talking about how air Force versus Miami of Ohio

484
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Speaker 2: fares against Alabama LSU. What we're what we should be

485
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Speaker 2: looking at, at least, is how that game fares heads

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Speaker 2: up against what would be airing instead of that, And

487
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Speaker 2: what would be airing is a darts tournament or a

488
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Speaker 2: replay of a bowling championship. That's what would be playing.

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Speaker 2: So those TV ratings are just fine. They are more

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Speaker 2: than acceptable to the folks who are in charge of

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Speaker 2: deciding such things. Attendance is not a good indicator at

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Speaker 2: all for the next point here as a metric of

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Speaker 2: how good bowl season is, because some of those Bowl

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Speaker 2: games feature matchups of smaller schools who don't even draw

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Speaker 2: well at home. So bowl games of TV products, think

496
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Speaker 2: of some of those lower tier like the Bahamas Bowl,

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Speaker 2: You're not getting forty thousand people to travel down there,

498
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Speaker 2: even if they want to they can't afford to do it.

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Speaker 2: That is a TV product. It might as well be

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Speaker 2: played in a TV studio. They just don't make TV

501
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Speaker 2: studios that big. ESPN, this is kind of in the weeds.

502
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Speaker 2: You guys don't really care about this. ESPN owns a

503
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Speaker 2: number of these Bowl games just so they can own

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Speaker 2: that TV product. To them, It's just like an episode

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Speaker 2: of Sports Center. So if people show up, that's great.

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Speaker 1: And the New Year's.

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Speaker 2: Day games like those are going to draw, the College

508
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Speaker 2: Football Playoff, the New Year's Six games, those are gonna draw,

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Speaker 2: and some other bowl games draw pretty well, But that's

510
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Speaker 2: not the primary goal. Any kind of gate receipt they get,

511
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Speaker 2: that's above and beyond what the core purpose there is. Also,

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Speaker 2: consider this for everybody, well not everybody, but some people

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Speaker 2: maybe who not the TV ratings. How many hundreds of

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Speaker 2: thousands of people who have not watched a single Mac

515
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Speaker 2: game all year will end up watching Central Michigan play

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Speaker 2: in a Bowl game. I can tell you it's a

517
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Speaker 2: bunch of them. They're in pools, they are betting on

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Speaker 2: the game. They have nothing better to do. You'd never

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Speaker 2: watch Central Michigan at two pm Eastern time on a

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Speaker 2: Saturday in Week seven if you're a Texas fan, but

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Speaker 2: you're absolutely watching them if they're playing in a standalone

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Speaker 2: game at eight o'clock on a random Thursday night in

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Speaker 2: late December. So that's another good point I think to

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Speaker 2: defend bowl season here. And as for the how we

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Speaker 2: make it better, I'm not sure it needs improvement.

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Speaker 1: But if you think it does. If you think it needs.

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Speaker 2: Improvement, structure it to where the ball season is an

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Speaker 2: attachment of the regular season. That's how I do it.

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Speaker 2: I don't think this is ever in the offing. I

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Speaker 2: don't think this would ever happen. But think about a

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Speaker 2: model where we played the regular season, you know, played

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Speaker 2: the schedule any way you want it, and have bowl season,

533
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Speaker 2: but have it attached to the regular season, and then

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Speaker 2: decide your college football playoff field.

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Speaker 1: After bowl season is done.

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Speaker 2: That would radically change the approach and the view that

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Speaker 2: people have of ball season if they already have a

538
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Speaker 2: problem with it. And I'll tell you for anyone who says, oh, okay, yeah,

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Speaker 2: I mean, if if you've got a bunch of teams

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Speaker 2: ranked in the top seven who are in bowl games, yeah,

541
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Speaker 2: they're still fighting to stay alive. But what about teams

542
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Speaker 2: that are already out of it. Well, that brings me

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Speaker 2: to my last point. I don't think this will happen either.

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Speaker 2: As much as we're against just flat out revenue sharing

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Speaker 2: in the regular season, and I'm wholeheartedly against it too

546
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Speaker 2: for varying reasons. I am all for name, image and

547
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Speaker 2: likeness and profitability. Off that you do not have a

548
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Speaker 2: claim to revenue sharing with the University of Texas if

549
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Speaker 2: you play safety for them for a million reasons, No,

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Speaker 2: go profit all you want to on your name, Go

551
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Speaker 2: profit all you want to. But that longhorn on the

552
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Speaker 2: side of your helmet was making money long before you

553
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Speaker 2: got their friend. However, if you do want to improve

554
00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:27,480
Speaker 2: the stakes and you want to improve the product and

555
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Speaker 2: play on the field, I would love to attach a

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Speaker 2: revenue sharing model to bowl games. And I would love

557
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Speaker 2: to do like the XFL used to do, incentivize winning

558
00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:40,639
Speaker 2: winners get the money. Losers. You can still get your

559
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Speaker 2: swag bag, and you can get all your free book bags,

560
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Speaker 2: and you know, a nice little sampler soap kit or

561
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Speaker 2: whatever else. They give away a watch, but you're getting

562
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Speaker 2: cold hard cash if you win the bowl game and

563
00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:55,560
Speaker 2: every player gets the same that's fine, but I would

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Speaker 2: love to see, you know, the starting safety for Texas

565
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Speaker 2: Tech knowing, hey, man, thirteen hundred dollars for me on

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Speaker 2: the line in this game. Yeah, I think that would

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Speaker 2: be fun. So I think I just fixed bolseason for

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Speaker 2: anyone who thinks it's broken, and I don't think it's broken.

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Speaker 2: Awesome three is next up. If Georgia, Alabama, Oklahoma, and

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Speaker 2: Texas all in the season ten and one, who do

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Speaker 2: you think gets into the playoff? Well, If Georgia and

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Speaker 2: Alabama and the season ten and one, I would assume

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Speaker 2: that one of them lost in the regular season and

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Speaker 2: then avenged that loss in the SEC title game. If

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Speaker 2: that's the case, both of them are in the playoff.

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Speaker 2: Don't care what's happened elsewhere in the country. You are

577
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Speaker 2: not going through a ten game SEC season ten and

578
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Speaker 2: one with your only loss to each other and being

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Speaker 2: left out of any playoff. I don't think that's gonna happen.

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Speaker 2: And that's independent of whatever else happens. If Ohio State's undefeated,

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Speaker 2: Clemson are undefeated, those two are in along with Georgia

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Speaker 2: and Alabama, and I don't care what happens elsewhere, because

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Speaker 2: that's how much. I would respect people who achieved that

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Speaker 2: or teams who achieved that. So you asked, if Georgia, Obama, Oklahoma,

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Speaker 2: and Texas all end up ten in one. I put

586
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Speaker 2: Georgia and Bama in Oklahoma and Texas. That would be

587
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Speaker 2: contingent on what else happened in the country. Did Clemson

588
00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:13,600
Speaker 2: go undefeated, because if they did, they're going to be

589
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Speaker 2: in What happened to Ohio State? How many games did

590
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Speaker 2: they play? How impressive did they look? I think that

591
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Speaker 2: that would be one of the more heated debates in

592
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Speaker 2: the history of college football. If you had let's say,

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Speaker 2: let's even say Ohio. Let's say Ohio State, it's almost

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Speaker 2: all their games in, because I think it's a pretty

595
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:34,199
Speaker 2: fine needle they have to thread up there in the

596
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Speaker 2: Big Ten to do this. Let's say they were to

597
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Speaker 2: go eight and no, and that's including the conference title game,

598
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Speaker 2: so they get all but one of the regular season

599
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Speaker 2: games in. They play the conference title game, so they

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Speaker 2: go eight to no, and you are Oklahoma and or Texas.

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Speaker 2: Cause I picked Texas to win the Big Twelve. Let's

602
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Speaker 2: say Texas is a ten to one Big Twelve champ.

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Speaker 2: They played three more games than Ohio State. Can you

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Speaker 2: imagine that argument, Texas, The only thing keeping us from

605
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:06,240
Speaker 2: being back is you fools over there realizing we played

606
00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:09,480
Speaker 2: three more games than Ohio State did. Don't be penalizing

607
00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:11,600
Speaker 2: us because we had our act together as a conference

608
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:14,520
Speaker 2: the whole time, and there's didn't And then Ohio State screams, hey,

609
00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:17,000
Speaker 2: we wanted to play, Dude, we never even stopped practicing.

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Speaker 2: Don't criticize us because we got a lot of you

611
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Speaker 2: know what's running our ship up here. Don't penalize us

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Speaker 2: for that. Plus, dude, would be favored by like fifteen

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Speaker 2: points against you on a neutral field. Listen to Vegas Committee,

614
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Speaker 2: listen to the odds makers. Yeah, that would get heated

615
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:35,640
Speaker 2: really really quick. So the answer is, I have no clue.

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Speaker 2: It would be contingent on what the rest of the

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Speaker 2: country looked like. That's my answer. Tristan is next, if

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Speaker 2: you could go back and relive any one play in

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Speaker 2: college football history, what would it be. I thought about this,

620
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Speaker 2: and I was thinking about some more recent examples, but

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Speaker 2: here's the one I had relive.

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Speaker 1: This may be a surprise to.

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Speaker 2: Some of you who have heard my swinging philosophy on

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Speaker 2: the G five, but that Boise State statue of Liberty

625
00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:02,960
Speaker 2: play to win the seven Fiesta Bowl. I remember that

626
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Speaker 2: so so vividly. I'd relive that one. I view it

627
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Speaker 2: as kind of the original G five upset, the big one.

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Speaker 2: Now I know it upsets had happened before that, but

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Speaker 2: that was the G five upset, like that was the

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Speaker 2: one that put that brand of football, on that level

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Speaker 2: of football on the map nationally. Keep in mind, that

632
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Speaker 2: was still a time where there was this massive gulf.

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Speaker 2: There was a canyons gap between the talent level of

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Speaker 2: your upper tier Power five versus a G five. You're

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Speaker 2: talking about the University of Oklahoma under Bob Stoops. They

636
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Speaker 2: had played in a national title game, I think the

637
00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:40,680
Speaker 2: year before.

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Speaker 1: That, and.

639
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:44,960
Speaker 2: I was trying to think if I had that right.

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Speaker 2: I think either the year before, year after. Either way,

641
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Speaker 2: Oklahoma was really good at that point. And Boise is

642
00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:54,120
Speaker 2: in Idaho and they have a blue field and a

643
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Speaker 2: coach that some hardcore college football fans know the name of,

644
00:30:57,120 --> 00:30:59,200
Speaker 2: and that's about all you know about Boise State at

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Speaker 2: that point. And my goodness, if they didn't go down

646
00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:03,640
Speaker 2: there and shock Oklahoma.

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Speaker 1: And here's what I remember.

648
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Speaker 2: I was working down at the sample department in the

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Speaker 2: fabric store that I've told you about in Columbus on

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Speaker 2: Twelfth Street for those interested. And so I remember the

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Speaker 2: day of that game, we had this big office bowl

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Speaker 2: pool going and it was neck and neck, and of

653
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Speaker 2: course everyone had put maximum confidence on Oklahoma for that game,

654
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Speaker 2: so you know, we were just taking side bets on

655
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Speaker 2: margin of victory for Oklahoma that night.

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Speaker 1: And then that happened, and I remember the only other

657
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Speaker 1: time I've had chill bumps, kind of actually not tweeting chills.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I mean real chills happen, not just the kind

659
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Speaker 2: people say happens to them on Twitter. The only other

660
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Speaker 2: time I've felt that was when Michigan botched the punt

661
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Speaker 2: snap and Michigan State recovered it.

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Speaker 1: And this was just a few years ago, and they

663
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Speaker 1: scored to win the game with no time on the clock.

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Speaker 1: Oh there's trouble with the snap.

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Speaker 2: Sean McDonough Hall, remind me to tell you something about

666
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Speaker 2: Sean McDonough, which can't do because you not here, but

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Speaker 2: I'll remember. So anyway, that was the only other time

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Speaker 2: that I had And let me delicately put it this way,

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Speaker 2: a bodily reaction to a college football game. Oh it

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00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:13,360
Speaker 2: didn't come out, well it didn't.

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Speaker 1: Jordan, leave it in. Just leave it in.

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Speaker 2: Let me compose myself three two one the kind of

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Speaker 2: reaction to a college football game, bowl or otherwise, as

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Speaker 2: I did there. So my point is that was back

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Speaker 2: when there wasn't all this contention between.

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Speaker 1: G five and P five. It was just, oh, look,

677
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Speaker 1: David may actually pull this one out.

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00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:33,720
Speaker 2: And I don't know if you guys have realized this,

679
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:36,920
Speaker 2: but David always wins that battle. Some of you need

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Speaker 2: to crack a Bible because you keep being shocked at

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Speaker 2: David winning.

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Speaker 1: And that's the whole point of David and Goliath. So

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Speaker 1: that was really cool. I mean, that was a big deal.

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Speaker 2: So the next day in the sample department, obviously we

685
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Speaker 2: were just reliving that on radio and then watching the replay.

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Speaker 2: Someone had a laptop back there where we got some

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Speaker 2: sketchy Wi Fi that we were hawking from the next

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Speaker 2: building over. Anyway, my point about Sean McDonough, the only

689
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Speaker 2: other time I've heard his voice crack the likes of

690
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Speaker 2: which it cracked during that Michigan Michigan State game was

691
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:09,280
Speaker 2: in the nineteen ninety two NLCS game seven. Braive's Pirates

692
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:11,480
Speaker 2: braids down two to nothing bottom of the night, they

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Speaker 2: stor them all the way back and with a think

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Speaker 2: a two to.

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Speaker 1: Two count on him, maybe packed at the.

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Speaker 2: Oh two one count. Anyway, I was replaying Sean mcdonnough's

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Speaker 2: call in my head. Francisco Cabrera lion drive base hit

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Speaker 2: through the five to six hole over there on the

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Speaker 2: left side.

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Speaker 1: And sid bream the ooh man.

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Speaker 2: The fastest fourteen seconds in the history of the playoffs

702
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Speaker 2: scores from second slides in beats the tag of Michae

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Speaker 2: Lavaliard and Sean McDonough while everyone in the South always

704
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:42,320
Speaker 2: revers the skip carry radio call. And it was great

705
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:45,920
Speaker 2: where he said Brads win about seventeen times. Sean McDonough

706
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Speaker 2: had one of the most classic national broadcast baseball calls

707
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Speaker 2: of all time, this side of Giants win the Pennan

708
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Speaker 2: in nineteen fifty one. It was great, and his voice

709
00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:58,120
Speaker 2: cracked in nineteen ninety two, just like it did far

710
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Speaker 2: more recently in that Michigan Michigan State game. What has

711
00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:06,800
Speaker 2: happened to this podcast? Tristan asked about Bowl games. I'm

712
00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:09,239
Speaker 2: sitting here talking about the National League Championship Series, all right,

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Speaker 2: Let's move on.

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Speaker 1: Jacob.

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Speaker 2: Is next up, Jacob says, or asks, rather, what are

716
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Speaker 2: your thoughts on Joe Milton winning the starting quarterback job

717
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Speaker 2: at Michigan, Jacob, Since now we know we're going to

718
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Speaker 2: have a Michigan football season, this is extremely intriguing. This

719
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:27,399
Speaker 2: is one of the most intriguing players period to watch

720
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:30,760
Speaker 2: in America this year. It's been a while since anyone

721
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:34,600
Speaker 2: has used game changer to describe the upside of a

722
00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:37,839
Speaker 2: Michigan quarterback. And that's the kind of terminology they're using

723
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:40,239
Speaker 2: up there to describe him. You and I don't know,

724
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:42,719
Speaker 2: and really they don't know until they tee it up

725
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:47,520
Speaker 2: and he's playing a seventeen to seventeen game against Wisconsin.

726
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:49,560
Speaker 1: Early in the fourth quarter. But the point is they

727
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:52,440
Speaker 1: love his upside, and the schedule makes it tough on him.

728
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Speaker 1: This year.

729
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:55,120
Speaker 2: They probably have one of, if not the toughest schedules

730
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Speaker 2: in the Big Ten. But I'm not watching Michigan in

731
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Speaker 2: twenty twenty and thinking the finish line to what matters

732
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:01,280
Speaker 2: here is twenty twenty.

733
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Speaker 1: I'm watching them.

734
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:05,920
Speaker 2: I'm thinking, well beyond, I'm thinking about Josh Gaddis offensive coordinator.

735
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:09,160
Speaker 2: There being in the homes of recruits and being on

736
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:10,960
Speaker 2: the phone with recruits, and I know what he's been

737
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:13,960
Speaker 2: trying to sell them, but it's all a vision. Because

738
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Speaker 2: what he's selling them as what the future of Michigan

739
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:19,319
Speaker 2: offense will be in Michigan football will be, no one

740
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:21,680
Speaker 2: has seen it there. So he's having asked people to

741
00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:24,120
Speaker 2: just have blind faith. Well, what if he can take

742
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:26,600
Speaker 2: Joe Milton this year and he can start showing them

743
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:28,799
Speaker 2: glimpses of that. Then all of a sudden he's saying,

744
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:31,040
Speaker 2: you see what I'm talking about Now, we don't have

745
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:34,200
Speaker 2: the athletes, we don't have the perimeter skill talent quite yet.

746
00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:37,200
Speaker 1: You are that perimeter skill talent. Please come here.

747
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:39,400
Speaker 2: Well then it makes it a whole lot more believable.

748
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:41,879
Speaker 2: They'refore a whole lot more sellable. And so it could

749
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:44,279
Speaker 2: be that Michigan goes. It could be there are two

750
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:47,160
Speaker 2: or three loss team this year, But there are sparks

751
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:49,319
Speaker 2: all over the place that lead us to.

752
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:51,480
Speaker 1: Believe twenty twenty one is going to be real.

753
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:54,560
Speaker 2: Twenty twenty one, that Big ten could actually be wide

754
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:55,840
Speaker 2: open for the first time.

755
00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:56,640
Speaker 1: In quite a while.

756
00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:00,680
Speaker 2: Ben is next, Will any team the Big twelve be

757
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:02,400
Speaker 2: able to challenge Texas and Oklahoma.

758
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:05,000
Speaker 1: I don't think so, Ben, I don't think so.

759
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:10,400
Speaker 2: Our brave partner here, Barton Simmons, picked Oklahoma State to

760
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:15,319
Speaker 2: make the playoff, and as they struggled and crawled over

761
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:18,200
Speaker 2: broken glass to a win over Tulsa in Week one,

762
00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:22,320
Speaker 2: he stuck with that pick. I have since witnessed Barton

763
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:25,200
Speaker 2: talk about that pick behind the scenes. I would not

764
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:30,400
Speaker 2: say that he is necessarily convicted right now in that

765
00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:32,640
Speaker 2: I don't think it's anything he wants to fight over.

766
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:35,360
Speaker 2: But he's stuck with the pick publicly, and so for that,

767
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:38,879
Speaker 2: I think we have to admire the courage having said that,

768
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 2: I'm not there, and so I think it's a Texas

769
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:44,959
Speaker 2: ou fight there and listen, if you want to find

770
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:47,759
Speaker 2: a number three team out there, I'm not going to

771
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:50,120
Speaker 2: go as far as to tout TCU, but it should

772
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:52,759
Speaker 2: be noted Max Duggan, who was going to be the

773
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:55,600
Speaker 2: starting quarterback there before he was ruled kind of medically

774
00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:57,200
Speaker 2: ineligible and we didn't think he was going to be

775
00:36:57,239 --> 00:37:00,440
Speaker 2: playing much, if at all, this year. He randomly got proved,

776
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:03,720
Speaker 2: he got cleared. He got medically cleared, according to Gary Patterson,

777
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:06,800
Speaker 2: and he is available for week one, So maybe TCU

778
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:09,719
Speaker 2: comes out of the shadows in the Big twelve. We'll see.

779
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:11,960
Speaker 2: Sam is gonna wrap us up this morning. I found

780
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Speaker 2: the jaman Osmon opt out at Texas A and M

781
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:17,120
Speaker 2: to be very strange, because even though he's a good player,

782
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:19,480
Speaker 2: I can't really see him going before the sixth round

783
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:22,000
Speaker 2: in the draft if Ozmond didn't think he'd be able

784
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:24,279
Speaker 2: to improve his draft stock by staying. I get the

785
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 2: feeling the offense isn't looking too good. What are your

786
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:33,080
Speaker 2: thoughts on this, Sam, Some situations just include more than

787
00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:35,600
Speaker 2: meets the eye. I think this may be one of them.

788
00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:38,799
Speaker 2: But having said that, I don't really know what it is.

789
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 2: I just get the feeling with this, and I get

790
00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:44,000
Speaker 2: the feeling anytime someone's gone this deep into camp and

791
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:46,360
Speaker 2: then they opt out, they can put out a statement

792
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:49,040
Speaker 2: and I'm willing to take it at face value, but

793
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:51,880
Speaker 2: that doesn't mean I may not roll my eyes just

794
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:53,799
Speaker 2: a little bit. And at this point, I'm not even

795
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:56,359
Speaker 2: talking about Ozmon in particular, but just in general, because

796
00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:58,879
Speaker 2: a number of guys have done this. I mean, it's

797
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:00,920
Speaker 2: your choice, it's your decision, and you don't owe.

798
00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:02,239
Speaker 1: Me an explanation. That's my whole point.

799
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:05,279
Speaker 2: You could just put up the deuce's emoji and say

800
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:07,600
Speaker 2: I'm not playing this year, bye, and I can accept it.

801
00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:10,520
Speaker 2: Having said that, I don't think you make the worst

802
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:12,600
Speaker 2: point in the world here, but I'll give you a counter.

803
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:16,040
Speaker 2: So your point was, maybe he sees himself as a

804
00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:18,000
Speaker 2: late round draft pick, but he thinks playing in this

805
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:21,120
Speaker 2: offense this year may actually be detrimental to his draft stock. Okay,

806
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:23,600
Speaker 2: if that's what he thinks, then good. Actually, if you're

807
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:25,600
Speaker 2: an Aggi fan, he's where he needs to be. If

808
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:28,680
Speaker 2: that's what he thinks, that's all hypothetical. But I will

809
00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:31,960
Speaker 2: say this, if you're an Aggi fan, you also are

810
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:34,839
Speaker 2: probably pretty excited about some young receiver talent you have there.

811
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:38,600
Speaker 2: And sometimes what looks like a pretty detrimental blow of

812
00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:41,879
Speaker 2: losing an experienced guy, sometimes it's just getting a lot

813
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:43,600
Speaker 2: of the underbrush out of the way so you can

814
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:46,560
Speaker 2: have some really really insane growth. And so let's keep

815
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:48,400
Speaker 2: an eye on that this year at Texas A and M.

816
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:51,000
Speaker 2: What kind of offense they'll have, what style it looks like,

817
00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:53,360
Speaker 2: how quick those kids can grow up. That remains to

818
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:56,279
Speaker 2: be seen. But they've got some young talent out there

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00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:59,399
Speaker 2: keyword young. Other keyword I guess in a two word

820
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:02,480
Speaker 2: sentences talent. All right, that wraps it up for us

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Speaker 2: of Late Kick Extra. All right, so let's have a

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Speaker 2: great rest of the week. We've got a loaded show

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Speaker 2: anytime we're on the air.

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Speaker 2: in this morning for Jordan on the podcast editing side,

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00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:56,880
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