1 00:00:03,240 --> 00:00:05,000 Speaker 1: Hello Sunshine, Hey Pam. 2 00:00:05,080 --> 00:00:07,280 Speaker 2: Today on the bright Side, we're tagging along with the 3 00:00:07,320 --> 00:00:10,360 Speaker 2: Girls on the Bus. Journalists and best selling author Amy 4 00:00:10,440 --> 00:00:13,720 Speaker 2: Chosek is talking about the new TV series inspired by 5 00:00:13,760 --> 00:00:16,880 Speaker 2: her memoir and the power of seeing women in politics 6 00:00:17,000 --> 00:00:17,640 Speaker 2: on screen. 7 00:00:17,960 --> 00:00:21,239 Speaker 3: It's Wednesday, April seventeenth. I'm Danielle Robe. 8 00:00:20,840 --> 00:00:23,480 Speaker 2: And I'm Simone Boyce and this is the bright Side 9 00:00:23,520 --> 00:00:24,639 Speaker 2: from Hello Sunshine. 10 00:00:26,200 --> 00:00:29,080 Speaker 3: All right, here's your morning drip. This one is for 11 00:00:29,200 --> 00:00:32,400 Speaker 3: our Swifties. Taylor Swift is teaming up with Spotify to 12 00:00:32,520 --> 00:00:35,839 Speaker 3: create an open air poetry library. 13 00:00:36,120 --> 00:00:36,720 Speaker 4: Interesting. 14 00:00:37,120 --> 00:00:39,760 Speaker 3: It's for the release of her upcoming album, The Tortured 15 00:00:39,800 --> 00:00:43,920 Speaker 3: Poets Department, which is coming out this Friday, the nineteenth. 16 00:00:44,040 --> 00:00:46,800 Speaker 4: That is going to take over our algorithms on Friday. 17 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:47,879 Speaker 4: Yes it is. 18 00:00:47,960 --> 00:00:50,600 Speaker 3: I actually really like this. I love poetry. You know, 19 00:00:50,760 --> 00:00:53,600 Speaker 3: you and I share a love for beautiful words. And 20 00:00:53,800 --> 00:00:56,800 Speaker 3: I think Taylor, if anybody has the ability to make 21 00:00:56,880 --> 00:01:00,840 Speaker 3: poetry quote unquote cool or bring it mainstream. The library 22 00:01:00,880 --> 00:01:02,400 Speaker 3: is going to be at the Grove in La on 23 00:01:02,760 --> 00:01:05,679 Speaker 3: April sixteenth, seventeenth, and eighteenth. 24 00:01:05,880 --> 00:01:07,440 Speaker 1: But don't worry if you're not in La. 25 00:01:07,520 --> 00:01:09,320 Speaker 3: All the surprises and hints that are going to be 26 00:01:09,360 --> 00:01:13,160 Speaker 3: there will also be available on her album countdown page. 27 00:01:13,319 --> 00:01:15,240 Speaker 2: All right, so we all saw that Caitlin Clark is 28 00:01:15,280 --> 00:01:19,560 Speaker 2: going pro and that transition, well, it's proving that the 29 00:01:19,640 --> 00:01:24,200 Speaker 2: gender pay gap is still so real, especially for female athletes. Ugh. 30 00:01:24,640 --> 00:01:28,600 Speaker 2: Earlier this week, the Indiana Fever selected her first overall 31 00:01:28,680 --> 00:01:32,280 Speaker 2: in the WNBA draft. But it's honestly her paycheck that's 32 00:01:32,319 --> 00:01:35,720 Speaker 2: making headlines. So she signed a four year, three hundred 33 00:01:35,720 --> 00:01:39,039 Speaker 2: and thirty eight thousand dollars contract, which means that she's 34 00:01:39,080 --> 00:01:42,000 Speaker 2: making less than one hundred thousand dollars in her first 35 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:46,080 Speaker 2: year and every year after that. So, just for comparison, 36 00:01:46,120 --> 00:01:48,280 Speaker 2: the number one pick in the twenty twenty three men's 37 00:01:48,360 --> 00:01:53,040 Speaker 2: draft was Victor Wambanyama and he signed a fifty five 38 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:57,040 Speaker 2: million dollar contract, so twelve million for his rookie season. 39 00:01:57,440 --> 00:02:01,120 Speaker 2: We're talking about astronomical differences here, not even in the 40 00:02:01,160 --> 00:02:03,080 Speaker 2: same realm of comparison. 41 00:02:03,280 --> 00:02:07,320 Speaker 3: The challenge is the inequality here is so foundational. Yes, 42 00:02:07,720 --> 00:02:10,640 Speaker 3: it's based on ticket sales, is what they say. But 43 00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:14,640 Speaker 3: what makes up ticket sales Players that are stars, and 44 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:17,440 Speaker 3: what makes star players buy and from brands? 45 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:18,359 Speaker 1: Time on TV? 46 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:22,800 Speaker 3: Think about how many hours people in sports television and 47 00:02:22,919 --> 00:02:26,600 Speaker 3: radio talk about Tom Brady versus Serena Williams, like the 48 00:02:26,720 --> 00:02:29,400 Speaker 3: gap is so real there, and so it makes this 49 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:30,560 Speaker 3: whole thing very tricky. 50 00:02:31,080 --> 00:02:34,079 Speaker 2: Listen, this is a huge systemic issue. But the good 51 00:02:34,120 --> 00:02:37,800 Speaker 2: news is that Caitlin stands to make additional monies through 52 00:02:37,880 --> 00:02:40,880 Speaker 2: her name, image and likeness deals. She's probably going to 53 00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:43,360 Speaker 2: make millions from that. So hopefully this marks a turning 54 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:44,680 Speaker 2: point for athletes like her. 55 00:02:45,080 --> 00:02:46,520 Speaker 3: I hope so, but I think it's going to take 56 00:02:46,520 --> 00:02:48,320 Speaker 3: a little bit of time. I mean, this is why 57 00:02:48,560 --> 00:02:51,760 Speaker 3: Brittany Griner was playing in Russia. A lot of these 58 00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:56,080 Speaker 3: WNBA players have to go play overseas because they can't 59 00:02:56,120 --> 00:02:59,560 Speaker 3: sustain their life on WNBA salaries. I mean, Caitlin was 60 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:02,120 Speaker 3: the number one pick and that's what she's making. Can 61 00:03:02,160 --> 00:03:05,840 Speaker 3: you imagine what the two hundred and something pick is making. 62 00:03:05,840 --> 00:03:07,840 Speaker 3: Like a lot of it is just not sustainable and 63 00:03:07,880 --> 00:03:11,519 Speaker 3: so similar to how we talk about the pay gap 64 00:03:12,040 --> 00:03:15,280 Speaker 3: in general, it just needs to be sped up. 65 00:03:15,520 --> 00:03:18,720 Speaker 2: Brands, this is on you. It is time to step up. 66 00:03:19,160 --> 00:03:23,320 Speaker 2: Make sure our girl Caitlin Clark stays paid. Okay, we 67 00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:25,520 Speaker 2: love to see Prada dressing her. That was such a 68 00:03:25,520 --> 00:03:28,520 Speaker 2: cool moment. Let's keep it up. Okay, folks, Okay. 69 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:31,280 Speaker 3: Also in the world of sports, photos of Nike's new 70 00:03:31,320 --> 00:03:36,040 Speaker 3: women's Olympic track uniforms are going absolutely viral. 71 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:38,640 Speaker 1: And simone it's for all the wrong reasons. 72 00:03:38,880 --> 00:03:42,280 Speaker 3: Nike recently debuted its line of uniforms for athletes, and 73 00:03:42,440 --> 00:03:45,720 Speaker 3: one of the options for women's track and field immediately 74 00:03:45,760 --> 00:03:50,040 Speaker 3: sparked outrage. They were these unitard bikini line sort of 75 00:03:50,440 --> 00:03:51,800 Speaker 3: high wasted. 76 00:03:51,400 --> 00:03:52,840 Speaker 4: Numbers, extremely high. 77 00:03:52,960 --> 00:03:53,160 Speaker 5: Yeah. 78 00:03:53,240 --> 00:03:56,119 Speaker 1: I don't know how to explain it. They're like bikini bottoms. 79 00:03:56,280 --> 00:03:58,560 Speaker 2: If you haven't seen it, look up an image of it. 80 00:03:58,600 --> 00:04:01,160 Speaker 2: But it's even more revealing than a bikini bottom. The 81 00:04:01,320 --> 00:04:06,120 Speaker 2: fabric sort of arches inward, like towards the belly button, 82 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:08,920 Speaker 2: and then it like goes back out over the hip. 83 00:04:09,320 --> 00:04:13,320 Speaker 2: But it's such a severe cut that I can't imagine 84 00:04:13,320 --> 00:04:16,240 Speaker 2: how any athlete would be able to perform confidently and 85 00:04:16,279 --> 00:04:17,039 Speaker 2: comfortably in this. 86 00:04:17,520 --> 00:04:21,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's revealing. And there is a side by 87 00:04:21,480 --> 00:04:24,559 Speaker 3: side of the men's fit and it's like a full 88 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:27,760 Speaker 3: uniform onesie, and so people are just pissed. 89 00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:29,240 Speaker 4: I'm pissed. 90 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:32,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't. I don't belong anywhere near a track, 91 00:04:32,320 --> 00:04:34,960 Speaker 2: and I'm pissed. I just think this is so insulting. 92 00:04:35,080 --> 00:04:39,400 Speaker 2: And Nike, you could have just put the men's uniform 93 00:04:39,560 --> 00:04:41,720 Speaker 2: side by side next to the women's uniform. You could 94 00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:44,279 Speaker 2: have made them the exact same. There's no reason why 95 00:04:44,320 --> 00:04:46,840 Speaker 2: the women have to be in this skimpy uniform. 96 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:49,880 Speaker 3: Well, I just think about how I like to show 97 00:04:49,920 --> 00:04:51,760 Speaker 3: up to work and if I'm not in an outfit 98 00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:54,240 Speaker 3: that I feel comfortable in, I'm definitely not going to 99 00:04:54,320 --> 00:04:56,880 Speaker 3: do my best job. And so for these athletes who 100 00:04:56,960 --> 00:04:59,800 Speaker 3: have worked their entire lives to get to this moment, 101 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:02,880 Speaker 3: they're then hit with this, it just seems so unnecessary. 102 00:05:03,279 --> 00:05:05,960 Speaker 2: Okay, I hope you're thirsty, Danielle, because this next story 103 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:09,120 Speaker 2: is it's an interesting one that I've seen all over 104 00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:13,360 Speaker 2: TikTok and Instagram right now, and that is adults using 105 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:17,640 Speaker 2: breast milk for their own health benefits. So we've seen 106 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:20,600 Speaker 2: bodybuilders do it. They say that it helps them gain muscle. 107 00:05:21,200 --> 00:05:24,120 Speaker 2: There are lots of videos of people using breast milk 108 00:05:24,160 --> 00:05:28,000 Speaker 2: and even frozen breast milk as a face treatment or 109 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:31,960 Speaker 2: a toner. And then just recently, Courtney Kardashian shared that 110 00:05:32,040 --> 00:05:35,880 Speaker 2: she quote pounded a glass of breast milk when she 111 00:05:35,960 --> 00:05:38,360 Speaker 2: started feeling sick. Because we know that breast milk has 112 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:42,520 Speaker 2: a lot of immune boosting properties, especially for infants. 113 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:44,600 Speaker 4: So I don't know. 114 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:48,279 Speaker 2: I think is still a little bit cloudy, but I'm 115 00:05:48,800 --> 00:05:51,160 Speaker 2: all for it, Like I why not, it's not going 116 00:05:51,200 --> 00:05:53,920 Speaker 2: to hurt you, especially like with Courtney Kardashian it's her 117 00:05:53,960 --> 00:05:54,440 Speaker 2: breast milk. 118 00:05:54,520 --> 00:05:56,520 Speaker 1: It was controversial, people were mad at her. 119 00:05:56,760 --> 00:06:00,760 Speaker 2: I think people have strong opinions about breast milk in general, 120 00:06:00,920 --> 00:06:04,279 Speaker 2: about like sharing breast milk. Like I just saw a 121 00:06:04,360 --> 00:06:09,640 Speaker 2: video where a woman's sister was feeding her baby with 122 00:06:09,800 --> 00:06:11,440 Speaker 2: her own breast milk, and there are a lot of 123 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:13,880 Speaker 2: strong opinions about that. But I think if we were 124 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:17,560 Speaker 2: to look back throughout history, this probably wouldn't have been 125 00:06:17,800 --> 00:06:21,080 Speaker 2: that weird. I think we have a lot of weird 126 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:23,840 Speaker 2: feelings about it. Now I have. 127 00:06:23,839 --> 00:06:27,640 Speaker 3: Zero weird feelings about it. There's tons of philanthropy programs 128 00:06:27,680 --> 00:06:32,120 Speaker 3: that are all about women donating breast milk because they 129 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:34,159 Speaker 3: call it liquid gold for a reason. It has so 130 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:37,880 Speaker 3: many healing properties. So I'm into this. I'm also the 131 00:06:37,920 --> 00:06:40,760 Speaker 3: type of person that would eat my own placenta. I 132 00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:44,080 Speaker 3: eat like brown bananas. I have, like things in my 133 00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:47,240 Speaker 3: fridge are definitely expired that I'll still eat. I grew 134 00:06:47,320 --> 00:06:49,600 Speaker 3: up like that, Like my mom would always be like 135 00:06:50,440 --> 00:06:52,640 Speaker 3: I'd be like, oh, the milk says it's three days old, 136 00:06:52,640 --> 00:06:54,920 Speaker 3: and she's like, oh, they put the wrong labels on there, 137 00:06:54,960 --> 00:06:58,640 Speaker 3: just being too careful. Yeah, I would totally. I'll drink 138 00:06:58,680 --> 00:07:01,200 Speaker 3: your breast milk. I'll drink my breast milk. I'm good 139 00:07:01,240 --> 00:07:01,839 Speaker 3: with anything. 140 00:07:02,080 --> 00:07:05,640 Speaker 2: When I was breastfeeding my son, a friend came over 141 00:07:05,760 --> 00:07:07,400 Speaker 2: and she was like, can I have a glass of 142 00:07:07,400 --> 00:07:10,000 Speaker 2: breast milk? And she drank it right there on the spot. 143 00:07:09,840 --> 00:07:11,200 Speaker 1: So she's still alive. 144 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:14,680 Speaker 2: All good, of course, it's like super juice in there Byby. 145 00:07:14,720 --> 00:07:16,200 Speaker 1: Did you have Michael try it? 146 00:07:16,520 --> 00:07:18,800 Speaker 4: I think so. Yeah, I think I made him try it. 147 00:07:19,400 --> 00:07:22,080 Speaker 2: I actually remember using a little bit of breast milk 148 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:24,000 Speaker 2: on my face when I was dealing with like post 149 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:27,120 Speaker 2: pregnancy acne, and I don't know that it actually helped, 150 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:29,480 Speaker 2: but it's like, why not, why not try it? 151 00:07:29,880 --> 00:07:33,119 Speaker 3: This story is not controversial to me. It's just breast milk. 152 00:07:33,400 --> 00:07:36,880 Speaker 3: It's like it's so natural and it's amazing that some 153 00:07:36,960 --> 00:07:38,800 Speaker 3: of us have the ability to make it. 154 00:07:39,040 --> 00:07:42,360 Speaker 2: Yes, I Actually I also remember using it on my 155 00:07:42,440 --> 00:07:45,960 Speaker 2: kids whenever they had a cut or something, or I 156 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:47,920 Speaker 2: would put it in the bathtub with them. 157 00:07:47,960 --> 00:07:48,760 Speaker 4: It's great for skin. 158 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:51,280 Speaker 2: I think just the fact that we're talking about this 159 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:54,400 Speaker 2: is great because I would love to see more scientific 160 00:07:54,480 --> 00:07:56,560 Speaker 2: studies about the benefits of breast milk. I think there 161 00:07:56,560 --> 00:07:59,440 Speaker 2: are a lot more that we probably don't even understand yet. 162 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:03,360 Speaker 3: After the break, we're talking with political journalist and author 163 00:08:03,440 --> 00:08:07,320 Speaker 3: Amy Chosick about transforming her memoir into a TV show, 164 00:08:07,920 --> 00:08:18,880 Speaker 3: one that Simone and I are absolutely obsessed with. We 165 00:08:19,040 --> 00:08:22,680 Speaker 3: are so excited to talk with our next guest, journalist 166 00:08:22,800 --> 00:08:24,640 Speaker 3: and author Amy Chosick. 167 00:08:25,200 --> 00:08:25,400 Speaker 4: Now. 168 00:08:25,440 --> 00:08:27,680 Speaker 3: Amy covered politics at The New York Times and The 169 00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:30,960 Speaker 3: Wall Street Journal for many years. She's also the author 170 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:34,560 Speaker 3: of the best selling book Chasing Hillary, which we loved 171 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:39,280 Speaker 3: so It chronicles her experience following Hillary Clinton's twenty sixteen 172 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:41,040 Speaker 3: presidential campaign. 173 00:08:40,920 --> 00:08:43,560 Speaker 2: And since then, Amy has taken on a new role 174 00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:46,440 Speaker 2: as the co creator and executive producer of the MAC 175 00:08:46,520 --> 00:08:49,400 Speaker 2: series The Girls on the Bus. It's loosely based on 176 00:08:49,480 --> 00:08:52,640 Speaker 2: her book and follows four reporters as they cover a 177 00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:57,160 Speaker 2: cadre of flawed presidential candidates on the campaign trail. Amy, 178 00:08:57,280 --> 00:08:59,200 Speaker 2: We're so thrilled to have you on the bride side. 179 00:08:59,280 --> 00:08:59,880 Speaker 2: Welcome to the. 180 00:09:00,640 --> 00:09:03,400 Speaker 4: Oh my god, I'm so excited to be here. Thanks guys. 181 00:09:05,559 --> 00:09:08,680 Speaker 2: Okay, Amy, we'll just dive right in. Although the Girls 182 00:09:08,679 --> 00:09:11,640 Speaker 2: on the Bus is inspired by your memoir, there's no Hillary, 183 00:09:12,200 --> 00:09:14,840 Speaker 2: there's no Trump in the show, which seems like a 184 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:18,080 Speaker 2: very deliberate choice, right. Why did you decide to set 185 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:20,719 Speaker 2: it in this fictional political landscape. 186 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:23,320 Speaker 5: Well, very early on, when I first met the one 187 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:26,680 Speaker 5: of the producers, Greg Burlante, we decided it should be 188 00:09:26,880 --> 00:09:30,200 Speaker 5: a fictional world, no Hillary, no Trump. Partly then it 189 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:32,640 Speaker 5: was very raw. It was like twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen. 190 00:09:32,720 --> 00:09:36,079 Speaker 5: I think nobody was in the mood to relive twenty sixteen. 191 00:09:36,240 --> 00:09:37,160 Speaker 4: I definitely wasn't. 192 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:40,200 Speaker 5: And so, yeah, and so, for one, we wanted we 193 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:42,040 Speaker 5: wanted to set it in a fictional world. We also 194 00:09:42,160 --> 00:09:45,880 Speaker 5: wanted the politics to really be the backdrop, and the friendship, 195 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:48,880 Speaker 5: the female friendship that forms on the bus is kind 196 00:09:48,880 --> 00:09:50,959 Speaker 5: of the real story. It's a little bit like Friday 197 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:53,160 Speaker 5: Night Lights. You don't have to like football to be 198 00:09:53,240 --> 00:09:55,839 Speaker 5: invested in those characters. So I think if you made 199 00:09:55,880 --> 00:09:59,320 Speaker 5: it reality, you'd be so focused on sort of the 200 00:09:59,320 --> 00:10:02,080 Speaker 5: politic it would attract a different audience, right, We've attract 201 00:10:02,120 --> 00:10:04,400 Speaker 5: political junkies, I think, and we were going for sort 202 00:10:04,440 --> 00:10:07,160 Speaker 5: of a broader audience that's interested in female friendship and 203 00:10:07,559 --> 00:10:10,040 Speaker 5: these relationships with the women. But the great thing about 204 00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:11,920 Speaker 5: who were playing in this fictional world is that we 205 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:14,200 Speaker 5: explored really real themes. I think a lot of the 206 00:10:14,200 --> 00:10:17,520 Speaker 5: themes from my book are very resonant in the show, 207 00:10:17,920 --> 00:10:19,880 Speaker 5: just through these fictional characters. 208 00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:23,559 Speaker 3: So we've been binging, Oh yeah, I love it. I'm obsessed. 209 00:10:24,520 --> 00:10:26,040 Speaker 3: For me, it's like the best show I've seen in 210 00:10:26,040 --> 00:10:28,440 Speaker 3: a really long time. It makes me so happy, and 211 00:10:28,480 --> 00:10:31,640 Speaker 3: it made me smile. I haven't smiled watching a show 212 00:10:31,640 --> 00:10:34,120 Speaker 3: in a long time like that. But you mentioned these 213 00:10:34,160 --> 00:10:37,280 Speaker 3: friendships and there's four main characters, there's four main women. 214 00:10:38,559 --> 00:10:39,160 Speaker 4: Who did you. 215 00:10:39,160 --> 00:10:42,000 Speaker 1: Base these women off of? Because they are based off 216 00:10:42,080 --> 00:10:42,800 Speaker 1: of real characters? 217 00:10:42,880 --> 00:10:43,080 Speaker 5: Right? 218 00:10:43,360 --> 00:10:44,040 Speaker 1: There are all. 219 00:10:43,880 --> 00:10:45,839 Speaker 4: Composites, for sure, I mean definitely. 220 00:10:45,880 --> 00:10:49,000 Speaker 5: You know, my journalistic heiro Nora Efron said everything is copy, 221 00:10:49,160 --> 00:10:51,760 Speaker 5: so you know, of course I pull different things from 222 00:10:51,840 --> 00:10:54,720 Speaker 5: real life, but they're all sort of composite characters. Julie 223 00:10:54,720 --> 00:10:57,160 Speaker 5: Plack and I who I co created this with early on, 224 00:10:57,200 --> 00:11:00,440 Speaker 5: wanted four very different types of women generationally. We wanted 225 00:11:00,440 --> 00:11:02,720 Speaker 5: them to be really different types of journalists. We wanted 226 00:11:02,720 --> 00:11:05,560 Speaker 5: them to have completely different world views. So we kind 227 00:11:05,600 --> 00:11:08,000 Speaker 5: of started there, and we thought the debates on the 228 00:11:08,040 --> 00:11:10,280 Speaker 5: bus are going to be much more interesting if they're 229 00:11:10,280 --> 00:11:13,400 Speaker 5: coming from all of these different perspectives. I mean, Grace 230 00:11:13,640 --> 00:11:16,200 Speaker 5: is the sort of veteran, the seasoned queen of the scoop, 231 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:18,920 Speaker 5: and she's very much inspired by a generation of women 232 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:21,200 Speaker 5: who mentored me and a lot of other political reporters 233 00:11:21,240 --> 00:11:23,840 Speaker 5: at the Times, Moreen Dowd, Jill Abramson, who was the 234 00:11:23,880 --> 00:11:27,040 Speaker 5: first female editor of the New York Times. 235 00:11:26,920 --> 00:11:27,920 Speaker 4: And Andrea Mitchell. 236 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:30,240 Speaker 5: Andrea was on the bus with us every day, and 237 00:11:30,280 --> 00:11:33,280 Speaker 5: she was so kind and mentoring, and she's just like 238 00:11:33,920 --> 00:11:36,440 Speaker 5: slugging it out with us through Ohio with you know, 239 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:39,000 Speaker 5: with the rest, with the kids. She's incredible, And I 240 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:41,320 Speaker 5: think there was something very early on with these women 241 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:43,920 Speaker 5: who are like tough as nails. They don't suffer fools, 242 00:11:43,960 --> 00:11:46,120 Speaker 5: they'll like cut a bitch for a scoop, but they're 243 00:11:46,160 --> 00:11:48,400 Speaker 5: so kind and generous, and we just didn't want to 244 00:11:48,440 --> 00:11:50,680 Speaker 5: fall into the trope of this generation women who like 245 00:11:50,760 --> 00:11:53,679 Speaker 5: knocks the ladder down, and I think Grace's character really 246 00:11:53,720 --> 00:11:56,360 Speaker 5: beautifully sort of ends up mentoring especially Lola. 247 00:11:56,440 --> 00:11:57,800 Speaker 4: The young influencer. 248 00:11:58,440 --> 00:12:00,480 Speaker 3: We keep bringing up Andrea Mitchell, so I just want 249 00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:03,120 Speaker 3: to share it for anybody who doesn't know. She's now 250 00:12:03,320 --> 00:12:06,240 Speaker 3: seventy seven years old and she was I think one 251 00:12:06,240 --> 00:12:09,160 Speaker 3: of the first, yeah, female political reporters. 252 00:12:09,160 --> 00:12:11,960 Speaker 1: She's at NBC now and just kind of legendary. 253 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:15,480 Speaker 3: The dynamic with the influencer was so interesting to me, 254 00:12:15,600 --> 00:12:18,280 Speaker 3: particularly because I've always kind of had one foot in 255 00:12:18,320 --> 00:12:21,200 Speaker 3: digital one foot in traditional media, and I thought the 256 00:12:21,320 --> 00:12:26,640 Speaker 3: undertones of those relationships between journalism and influencers were so 257 00:12:27,080 --> 00:12:28,840 Speaker 3: well thought out and articulated. 258 00:12:29,080 --> 00:12:32,319 Speaker 2: And also can I add the commentary on the tension 259 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:36,680 Speaker 2: between old school journalism and traditional journalism and the future 260 00:12:36,679 --> 00:12:36,959 Speaker 2: of it. 261 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:37,720 Speaker 4: Where it's headed. 262 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:40,559 Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean we always wanted an influencer on the bus, 263 00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:43,600 Speaker 5: but she seemed a little like, really fictionalized when we 264 00:12:43,640 --> 00:12:44,240 Speaker 5: first started. 265 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:46,800 Speaker 4: Now I think it's very it feels very real. 266 00:12:46,880 --> 00:12:49,040 Speaker 5: It feels like this is the spot when Sadie says 267 00:12:49,080 --> 00:12:52,440 Speaker 5: sponsored content the future of journalism, you know, and substack 268 00:12:52,559 --> 00:12:54,280 Speaker 5: that was something like we wouldn't have even put in 269 00:12:54,280 --> 00:12:56,560 Speaker 5: the script two years ago. That now feels like a 270 00:12:56,600 --> 00:12:58,960 Speaker 5: ton of people are getting their political news from podcasts, 271 00:12:59,040 --> 00:13:02,679 Speaker 5: influence TikTok, you know, And so yeah, Lola became even 272 00:13:02,720 --> 00:13:05,600 Speaker 5: more I think realistic, and I think those debates, you know, 273 00:13:05,679 --> 00:13:08,600 Speaker 5: your former journalists are erupting in newsrooms. I remember when 274 00:13:08,600 --> 00:13:11,280 Speaker 5: I started and there was like the esteemed veteran journalist saying, 275 00:13:11,320 --> 00:13:13,920 Speaker 5: we don't vote in elections. We cover like somebody could 276 00:13:13,920 --> 00:13:16,880 Speaker 5: find out your registered Democrat or Republican and think you're bias, 277 00:13:17,200 --> 00:13:17,960 Speaker 5: so we don't vote. 278 00:13:17,960 --> 00:13:19,840 Speaker 4: And I was like, oh, I'm going to give up 279 00:13:19,880 --> 00:13:21,400 Speaker 4: my right to vote. 280 00:13:21,280 --> 00:13:21,480 Speaker 2: You know. 281 00:13:21,800 --> 00:13:24,360 Speaker 5: You know, I think my generation sort of started questioning that, 282 00:13:24,400 --> 00:13:28,439 Speaker 5: but the younger kids are even more so, like objectivity. 283 00:13:27,679 --> 00:13:30,160 Speaker 4: What you know, I got into this to change the world. 284 00:13:30,480 --> 00:13:32,520 Speaker 2: Amy, one of the characters in the show, asked one 285 00:13:32,520 --> 00:13:34,880 Speaker 2: of the best questions I've ever heard from a journalist, 286 00:13:34,960 --> 00:13:37,840 Speaker 2: real or fake. She said to one of the political candidates, 287 00:13:38,040 --> 00:13:41,200 Speaker 2: how are you going to break our hearts? I just 288 00:13:41,280 --> 00:13:44,120 Speaker 2: love how human that question is. Was that a question 289 00:13:44,160 --> 00:13:44,880 Speaker 2: you've asked before? 290 00:13:45,120 --> 00:13:47,000 Speaker 4: To be honest, I was a little embarrassed. 291 00:13:47,280 --> 00:13:49,360 Speaker 5: You know, I very much worry about what my former 292 00:13:49,360 --> 00:13:50,959 Speaker 5: colleagues think, And I was like, is that like the 293 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:53,839 Speaker 5: softest question ever? And I'm like, but actually, I love 294 00:13:53,920 --> 00:13:57,640 Speaker 5: that it resonated with you because that's how we feel, right, Like. 295 00:13:57,720 --> 00:13:58,680 Speaker 4: We feel so like. 296 00:13:58,760 --> 00:14:01,040 Speaker 5: I just remember when I went to Obama, was covering 297 00:14:01,040 --> 00:14:04,040 Speaker 5: Obama's rallies and a million people turned out in Saint Louis, 298 00:14:04,080 --> 00:14:06,640 Speaker 5: and it was like, this incredible thing, and you have 299 00:14:06,720 --> 00:14:09,360 Speaker 5: this impending dread. What's going to happen? How are they 300 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:11,600 Speaker 5: going to take this guy down? Or what skeleton does 301 00:14:11,640 --> 00:14:13,680 Speaker 5: this woman have in her closet? Like, I feel like 302 00:14:13,760 --> 00:14:17,240 Speaker 5: we are so kind of accustomed to that now that 303 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:19,200 Speaker 5: nobody can just exist. 304 00:14:19,560 --> 00:14:22,240 Speaker 2: But isn't what you mentioned about worrying about how your 305 00:14:22,280 --> 00:14:24,880 Speaker 2: colleagues would have perceived that question, whether it was too soft. 306 00:14:25,120 --> 00:14:29,200 Speaker 2: That kind of gets to the disconnect between journalism today 307 00:14:29,360 --> 00:14:33,760 Speaker 2: and where the audience is. Yeah, it's it's not human enough, right, 308 00:14:33,840 --> 00:14:36,840 Speaker 2: It's like not getting to the humanity that people really 309 00:14:36,880 --> 00:14:39,000 Speaker 2: want to see in journalists and media today. 310 00:14:39,080 --> 00:14:42,000 Speaker 5: I think, No, I love I love you that that 311 00:14:42,080 --> 00:14:44,080 Speaker 5: was your conclusion because that's kind of exactly what I 312 00:14:44,120 --> 00:14:45,920 Speaker 5: wanted to do. One of the big things I wanted 313 00:14:45,960 --> 00:14:48,320 Speaker 5: to do with the show is like the original Boys 314 00:14:48,360 --> 00:14:51,240 Speaker 5: on the Bus was really a repudiation of pack journalism. 315 00:14:51,280 --> 00:14:53,680 Speaker 5: He was criticizing the way politics was covered. And I 316 00:14:53,720 --> 00:14:55,960 Speaker 5: think that what we're doing with the show, in an 317 00:14:55,960 --> 00:14:59,280 Speaker 5: indirect way, is imagining, you know, if we covered politics differently, 318 00:14:59,280 --> 00:15:00,800 Speaker 5: would we have to politics? 319 00:15:01,360 --> 00:15:01,560 Speaker 2: You know? 320 00:15:01,920 --> 00:15:03,920 Speaker 4: And I think that's really like, that's a big question. 321 00:15:04,040 --> 00:15:04,400 Speaker 4: It is. 322 00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:06,880 Speaker 5: It's not directly asked, but I think that's the question 323 00:15:06,960 --> 00:15:09,840 Speaker 5: that each girl is grappling with, right, And I think it, 324 00:15:10,240 --> 00:15:12,240 Speaker 5: you know, towards the end when they decide to work together, 325 00:15:12,360 --> 00:15:15,000 Speaker 5: like that's a very different way of covering politics. We 326 00:15:15,040 --> 00:15:17,680 Speaker 5: are all about the scoop and we're about throwing elbows 327 00:15:17,680 --> 00:15:20,080 Speaker 5: and I'm going to find out which staffer was fired 328 00:15:20,120 --> 00:15:22,360 Speaker 5: before you do. And it's like then you've got like 329 00:15:22,600 --> 00:15:25,400 Speaker 5: voters who are wait, how's this going to impact my life? 330 00:15:25,560 --> 00:15:27,400 Speaker 5: Or like was this a good candidate who just got 331 00:15:27,400 --> 00:15:29,840 Speaker 5: thrown out of the race for some you know, bullshit scandal. 332 00:15:29,920 --> 00:15:32,040 Speaker 2: So I think that's what we're sort of imagining with this. 333 00:15:32,640 --> 00:15:36,880 Speaker 2: You really centered sisterhood in this show. And also I 334 00:15:36,920 --> 00:15:39,880 Speaker 2: was so heartened by the empathy between these characters. Because 335 00:15:39,920 --> 00:15:42,520 Speaker 2: they're so different, they don't have to have empathy for 336 00:15:42,600 --> 00:15:46,880 Speaker 2: each other. Yeah, they're across political aisles and ideologies, and 337 00:15:46,920 --> 00:15:50,320 Speaker 2: they work for these outlets that are enemies, sworn enemies. 338 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:53,640 Speaker 2: So how did your found family on the campaign trail 339 00:15:53,840 --> 00:15:55,760 Speaker 2: inform the friendships that we see in the show? 340 00:15:56,280 --> 00:15:57,400 Speaker 4: It definitely did, you know. 341 00:15:57,440 --> 00:15:59,400 Speaker 5: And I think that the bus was like a great 342 00:15:59,520 --> 00:16:02,000 Speaker 5: vehicle for that, right because these are women I probably 343 00:16:02,080 --> 00:16:04,640 Speaker 5: normally I would have never like made friends with Andrea 344 00:16:04,640 --> 00:16:06,960 Speaker 5: Mitchell a normal life, you know, not because she's not lovely, 345 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:09,240 Speaker 5: just because like, where would we even have met? And 346 00:16:09,400 --> 00:16:11,760 Speaker 5: but you're forced together on a bus, right, It's almost 347 00:16:11,800 --> 00:16:13,600 Speaker 5: like those early seasons. 348 00:16:13,160 --> 00:16:15,320 Speaker 4: Of the real world. You know what happens when people 349 00:16:15,320 --> 00:16:15,960 Speaker 4: stop being. 350 00:16:15,800 --> 00:16:18,960 Speaker 5: Polite because you're forced together. You're all staying in the 351 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:21,520 Speaker 5: same mid range hotel rooms. Your life is not your own, 352 00:16:21,560 --> 00:16:23,640 Speaker 5: you know, your your personal life is a dumpster fire 353 00:16:23,680 --> 00:16:26,240 Speaker 5: because you're just giving giving it all up for the job. 354 00:16:26,320 --> 00:16:28,800 Speaker 5: And I think, you know, I've seen some criticism of 355 00:16:28,840 --> 00:16:31,040 Speaker 5: the show of like and what world would an influencer, 356 00:16:31,560 --> 00:16:33,720 Speaker 5: It would like a progressive influencer be friends with like 357 00:16:33,720 --> 00:16:35,960 Speaker 5: a conservative you know, black woman. 358 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:36,680 Speaker 4: And I'm like in. 359 00:16:36,720 --> 00:16:38,800 Speaker 5: Our world, in the world I created, and I think 360 00:16:38,840 --> 00:16:41,600 Speaker 5: that's the the whole point. Yeah, And that's the privilege 361 00:16:41,760 --> 00:16:45,400 Speaker 5: of writing for television, right is we can imagine the 362 00:16:45,400 --> 00:16:47,320 Speaker 5: world as we want it to be, not as it is. 363 00:16:47,680 --> 00:16:50,440 Speaker 5: And I think that that's something that was, you know, 364 00:16:51,080 --> 00:16:53,560 Speaker 5: both in my own life being friends with women I 365 00:16:53,600 --> 00:16:56,160 Speaker 5: never would have normally met, but also just being able 366 00:16:56,200 --> 00:16:58,680 Speaker 5: to imagine a world where they can see each other 367 00:16:58,680 --> 00:16:59,880 Speaker 5: as humans. 368 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:02,200 Speaker 3: This is one scene that I cannot get out of 369 00:17:02,200 --> 00:17:04,560 Speaker 3: my mind. And one of the characters is having a 370 00:17:04,600 --> 00:17:07,399 Speaker 3: disagreement with her daughter because she wants her mom to 371 00:17:07,400 --> 00:17:10,240 Speaker 3: pay more attention to her and not be so focused 372 00:17:10,240 --> 00:17:13,800 Speaker 3: on work. And the mom says, my work is the first. 373 00:17:13,560 --> 00:17:16,520 Speaker 1: Line in my obituary. You, my dear, are the. 374 00:17:16,520 --> 00:17:20,440 Speaker 3: Last oh I got Like, I had so many emotions. 375 00:17:20,440 --> 00:17:21,720 Speaker 1: It was hard to watch, honestly. 376 00:17:22,080 --> 00:17:24,600 Speaker 5: Well, I think partly because Carla is so incredible she 377 00:17:24,680 --> 00:17:28,000 Speaker 5: brings such empathy to that scene, but definitely one of 378 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:30,119 Speaker 5: the look we all read the whole Writer's Room, you know, 379 00:17:30,160 --> 00:17:31,560 Speaker 5: read The Boys on the Bus. This is about the 380 00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:33,960 Speaker 5: men covering the nineteen seventy three McGovern campaign. 381 00:17:34,200 --> 00:17:35,520 Speaker 4: The only women in that. 382 00:17:35,480 --> 00:17:38,720 Speaker 5: Book are like waiting at home to welcome their great 383 00:17:38,720 --> 00:17:41,920 Speaker 5: men home from their great job on the campaign trail, 384 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:43,040 Speaker 5: doing important work. 385 00:17:43,040 --> 00:17:44,520 Speaker 4: They've got the meat loaf in the oven. 386 00:17:44,800 --> 00:17:47,280 Speaker 5: I don't think any of those men's children were like, 387 00:17:47,520 --> 00:17:49,479 Speaker 5: why the hell weren't you there for my ballet reside. 388 00:17:49,520 --> 00:17:51,760 Speaker 5: I don't think any of those men had to answer 389 00:17:52,119 --> 00:17:54,920 Speaker 5: for putting their jobs first, right, And so what I mean? 390 00:17:54,920 --> 00:17:57,320 Speaker 5: I love the obituary line, but I also just love 391 00:17:57,400 --> 00:18:00,199 Speaker 5: that Grace says I was out making the money, you know, 392 00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:02,639 Speaker 5: And it's like, I don't think any man has to 393 00:18:02,640 --> 00:18:04,960 Speaker 5: answer for that. In every character, we're sort of grappling 394 00:18:04,960 --> 00:18:07,480 Speaker 5: with these things that women have to face that I 395 00:18:07,520 --> 00:18:10,800 Speaker 5: don't think the previous generation ever had to answer for. 396 00:18:10,880 --> 00:18:13,639 Speaker 2: It's also just honest. I worked with a lot of 397 00:18:13,880 --> 00:18:16,760 Speaker 2: women like that, and I saw a lot of women 398 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:19,159 Speaker 2: like that in my field. So it's just nice to 399 00:18:19,200 --> 00:18:23,160 Speaker 2: have an honest portrayal of ambitious women. Okay, Amy, there's 400 00:18:23,160 --> 00:18:27,360 Speaker 2: a storyline about a female reporter navigating a tricky romantic 401 00:18:27,400 --> 00:18:30,760 Speaker 2: relationship with a press secretary, and that kind of conflict 402 00:18:30,760 --> 00:18:33,160 Speaker 2: adventures is something that we've seen a lot in stories 403 00:18:33,240 --> 00:18:34,600 Speaker 2: about female journalists. 404 00:18:34,920 --> 00:18:37,760 Speaker 4: But I know that there's an intention behind it. So 405 00:18:37,800 --> 00:18:39,920 Speaker 4: what was it? Well, I would say I don't think 406 00:18:39,920 --> 00:18:41,159 Speaker 4: we've seen exactly this. 407 00:18:41,359 --> 00:18:45,200 Speaker 5: I think the trope that myself and other female journalists 408 00:18:45,240 --> 00:18:48,200 Speaker 5: do not appreciate in film and TV is the female 409 00:18:48,280 --> 00:18:51,040 Speaker 5: journalist is sleeping with a source to get information, like, right, 410 00:18:51,080 --> 00:18:53,240 Speaker 5: she would have never gotten that scoop on her own. 411 00:18:53,320 --> 00:18:55,480 Speaker 5: She had to flash her tits that sleep with the guy, 412 00:18:55,600 --> 00:18:57,960 Speaker 5: Like it's always that. So it's something that was really 413 00:18:57,960 --> 00:19:00,919 Speaker 5: important to me. I sit down, you know, to brainstorm 414 00:19:00,960 --> 00:19:02,920 Speaker 5: this show, and my partners are like, but they're like. 415 00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:04,560 Speaker 4: She has to have sex with someone, you know, it's 416 00:19:04,600 --> 00:19:05,320 Speaker 4: a TV show. 417 00:19:05,840 --> 00:19:08,199 Speaker 5: Like they kept they kept pitching people what about this this, 418 00:19:08,240 --> 00:19:10,119 Speaker 5: And I was like, no, no, she could never do that. 419 00:19:10,440 --> 00:19:13,560 Speaker 5: It's a complicated romantic entanglement, which is something we see 420 00:19:13,560 --> 00:19:16,320 Speaker 5: in Washington all the time because as in Hollywood, it's 421 00:19:16,359 --> 00:19:18,440 Speaker 5: like an incestuous one industry town and who are you 422 00:19:18,440 --> 00:19:18,960 Speaker 5: gonna who. 423 00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:19,440 Speaker 4: Are you gonna meet? 424 00:19:19,520 --> 00:19:22,920 Speaker 5: Right? You know the fact that we've gotten some criticism 425 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:25,320 Speaker 5: for Sadie's choice, but I have never heard one person 426 00:19:25,400 --> 00:19:28,280 Speaker 5: say that press secretary really should have told her he 427 00:19:28,359 --> 00:19:31,600 Speaker 5: was still employed. Like, no one's ever criticized the male 428 00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:34,800 Speaker 5: quote unquote source or press secretary. No, I've not seen 429 00:19:34,880 --> 00:19:37,240 Speaker 5: one thing saying that guy he should have known. That 430 00:19:37,320 --> 00:19:39,520 Speaker 5: was a conflict that was about not one. I mean, 431 00:19:39,520 --> 00:19:42,320 Speaker 5: there was one article that called Sadie slut, and I 432 00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:45,080 Speaker 5: was like, lady hooked up with her ex boyfriend when 433 00:19:45,080 --> 00:19:48,240 Speaker 5: she thought he was unemployed, you know. So it's been 434 00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:50,600 Speaker 5: very interesting to see the reaction to that and I 435 00:19:50,720 --> 00:19:53,760 Speaker 5: and I definitely agree. I definitely, you know, encourage debate, 436 00:19:53,840 --> 00:19:56,040 Speaker 5: and I understand not everybody will like that choice that 437 00:19:56,080 --> 00:19:58,800 Speaker 5: we made, but I do think it's realistic in Washington 438 00:19:58,800 --> 00:20:02,200 Speaker 5: that you have like complicated romantic entanglements, and I think 439 00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:05,359 Speaker 5: we see Sadie pay very dearly for that in a 440 00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:07,720 Speaker 5: way that I'm not sure you would see a man 441 00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:10,280 Speaker 5: have to answer for. And that was what we wanted 442 00:20:10,640 --> 00:20:11,040 Speaker 5: to do. 443 00:20:11,520 --> 00:20:14,879 Speaker 2: You're really reading the reactions to the show and the reviews, 444 00:20:14,920 --> 00:20:15,920 Speaker 2: You're taking it all in. 445 00:20:16,160 --> 00:20:19,200 Speaker 4: I really shouldn't. I'm starting to block. I'm starting to block. 446 00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:20,760 Speaker 4: But what do you think drives that? Are you just 447 00:20:20,800 --> 00:20:23,120 Speaker 4: curious about what people say about it or what is it? 448 00:20:23,280 --> 00:20:24,600 Speaker 4: I'm just like a masochist. 449 00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:24,960 Speaker 3: I don't know. 450 00:20:25,040 --> 00:20:27,600 Speaker 4: Let's just say no, I'm curious. 451 00:20:27,640 --> 00:20:29,560 Speaker 5: I mean, you put something out in the world and 452 00:20:29,640 --> 00:20:32,040 Speaker 5: you want to know how it's being received. And I 453 00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:35,240 Speaker 5: think since this is the first TV project, you know, 454 00:20:35,320 --> 00:20:35,960 Speaker 5: my partners are. 455 00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:37,200 Speaker 4: Like, I never read what are you doing? 456 00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:38,600 Speaker 5: I never read any of that, you know, but I 457 00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:40,720 Speaker 5: think this is from I read the early ones. I'm 458 00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:44,000 Speaker 5: not really reading them anymore, but yeah, I was curious. 459 00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:46,680 Speaker 3: I mean, you're also making a lot of cultural commentary 460 00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:49,840 Speaker 3: on the show, so you're probably a cultural critic. You're 461 00:20:49,880 --> 00:20:52,439 Speaker 3: interested in hearing what the conversation is. 462 00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:53,800 Speaker 4: Around that better than a masochist. 463 00:20:53,880 --> 00:20:54,119 Speaker 5: Thank you. 464 00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:56,480 Speaker 4: I feel I. 465 00:20:56,400 --> 00:20:59,800 Speaker 3: Feel a little enchanted by politics sometimes to this day. 466 00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:06,199 Speaker 3: And you've covered several presidential campaigns and momentous first for 467 00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:09,560 Speaker 3: our country. So former President Barack Obama, who was obviously 468 00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:14,359 Speaker 3: the first black president, both of Hillary Clinton's campaigns to 469 00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:16,320 Speaker 3: try to become the first female president. 470 00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:20,440 Speaker 1: And I'm so curious about your personal. 471 00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:25,080 Speaker 3: Experience in witnessing these historical moments. Were you enchanted by 472 00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:28,160 Speaker 3: I mean, like Obama's hope Okay, it was all about hope. 473 00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:30,800 Speaker 3: The country was so riled up and excited, and Hillary 474 00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:35,200 Speaker 3: everyone was, regardless of her politics, excited about the possibility 475 00:21:35,240 --> 00:21:37,159 Speaker 3: there were you enchanted by it? 476 00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:38,040 Speaker 1: On the bus? 477 00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:40,240 Speaker 5: Well, I love that you're still enchanted because I feel 478 00:21:40,280 --> 00:21:42,800 Speaker 5: like most of the country isn't and we should be. 479 00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:43,160 Speaker 3: Right. 480 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:45,199 Speaker 5: We should be even if it's maybe not this election, 481 00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:50,000 Speaker 5: there's still the future, right, But no, I mean it's 482 00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:52,119 Speaker 5: a mix, right. I had been a foreign correspondent in 483 00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:55,560 Speaker 5: Japan before my editor, the Asia Bureau chief, became the 484 00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:57,199 Speaker 5: Washington Bureau chief, and said, how'd you like to go 485 00:21:57,240 --> 00:21:57,800 Speaker 5: to Iowa. 486 00:21:57,600 --> 00:21:58,560 Speaker 4: And cover Hillary Clinton? 487 00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:00,600 Speaker 5: So like, I hardly knew this was too thousand and seven. 488 00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:02,680 Speaker 5: I hardly knew who Obama was. I had no idea 489 00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:05,199 Speaker 5: what a caucus was. I'm like, America doesn't really know 490 00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:05,480 Speaker 5: what a. 491 00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:08,440 Speaker 4: Caucus is either. It's fine, but we still don't buy. 492 00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:09,200 Speaker 4: We still don't. 493 00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:11,040 Speaker 5: At one point I went to a Hillary rally when 494 00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:12,880 Speaker 5: my first and I stood up and she said something 495 00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:14,720 Speaker 5: great and everybody cheered, and I stood up and cheered, 496 00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:15,880 Speaker 5: and all the press were like. 497 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:19,000 Speaker 4: What are you doing? Sit down? We don't do that here, 498 00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:21,600 Speaker 4: And so it's like going inspired. 499 00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:24,199 Speaker 5: I was inspired, And then I realized that we have 500 00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:27,439 Speaker 5: to ceed our ability to be inspired as journalists, right, 501 00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:30,000 Speaker 5: we have to seed our ability to get you know, 502 00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:33,200 Speaker 5: so excited and wrapped up in candidates and certainly covering 503 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:35,359 Speaker 5: Obama's two thousand and eight campaign when you felt this 504 00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:38,800 Speaker 5: like ground swell of enthusiasm and part of you was like, oh, 505 00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:41,439 Speaker 5: that looks amazing, and I'm sitting in the press, you know, 506 00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:43,240 Speaker 5: pin unable to react. 507 00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:43,479 Speaker 4: To any of it. 508 00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:46,879 Speaker 5: And then you know, but certainly there were moments in 509 00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:50,320 Speaker 5: my career where it's impossible not to feel the gravity 510 00:22:50,359 --> 00:22:52,160 Speaker 5: of the moment. Like in two thousand and eight, I'm 511 00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:54,879 Speaker 5: with Obama when the results are coming in, we ride 512 00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:57,640 Speaker 5: over to the in the motorcade to Grant Park. I'm 513 00:22:57,760 --> 00:23:01,000 Speaker 5: like behind backstage when he's giving his acceptance speech to 514 00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:04,240 Speaker 5: become the first black president. It's like, you have this 515 00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:06,639 Speaker 5: is really the objectivity debate. It's like are you human? 516 00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:08,520 Speaker 5: Like are you getting the chills in this moment? Because 517 00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:12,320 Speaker 5: this is incredible? You know, it's incredible to witness history, right, 518 00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:14,560 Speaker 5: that's the luxury of being a journalist. We don't get 519 00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:17,879 Speaker 5: paid a lot, you know, but we get to witness history. 520 00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:18,320 Speaker 4: Yeah. 521 00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:21,240 Speaker 3: I've always thought of journalists, particularly print journalists, as like 522 00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:26,199 Speaker 3: first draft historians, and so to be witnessing all that, 523 00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:28,760 Speaker 3: I don't know, it just it seems like an incredible experience. 524 00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:29,159 Speaker 1: You must have. 525 00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:31,919 Speaker 5: It is you're like so exhausted, and there's like so 526 00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:34,320 Speaker 5: much whining. You know, it's like, what am we gotta 527 00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:37,480 Speaker 5: be fed? I need my marriout points, So like there's 528 00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:41,600 Speaker 5: all this whiny, Like there's tea. You're so exhausting, I've 529 00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:43,919 Speaker 5: and slept in days. Your editors are asking you for 530 00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:45,960 Speaker 5: like fifteen different stories and can you have a feed? 531 00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:47,280 Speaker 5: And I need some color and you can get some 532 00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:49,720 Speaker 5: voter voices, and it's like you really have to stop 533 00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:53,040 Speaker 5: and be like this is fucking cool, Like this is amazing, 534 00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:54,200 Speaker 5: this is a privilege. 535 00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:55,320 Speaker 4: We'll be right back. 536 00:23:55,480 --> 00:24:05,360 Speaker 3: Stay with us. We're back. I'm here with Amy Chosick. 537 00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:09,000 Speaker 3: You covered Hillary's twenty sixteen campaign, and you've seen several 538 00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:12,280 Speaker 3: women enter presidential races since then. We now even have 539 00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:15,359 Speaker 3: a female vice president. How do you think we as 540 00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:17,520 Speaker 3: a group look at women in power right now in 541 00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:18,640 Speaker 3: twenty twenty four? 542 00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:19,480 Speaker 1: Has it changed? 543 00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:22,280 Speaker 4: Sadly, I don't think it's changed that much. 544 00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:24,840 Speaker 5: And it's really interesting because we started writing this show, 545 00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:26,760 Speaker 5: you know a few years ago, and we kept kind 546 00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:28,840 Speaker 5: of adjusting it as the world change. And the one 547 00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:31,440 Speaker 5: big thing that would have like drastically impacted the show 548 00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:34,159 Speaker 5: is well, we have a woman president. You know, it's like, Nope, 549 00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:36,639 Speaker 5: that doesn't look like it's going to happen. We're fine, 550 00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:40,360 Speaker 5: We're good. A couple things. One thing is I do 551 00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:43,160 Speaker 5: think we've evolved a little bit past the Hillary era 552 00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:45,160 Speaker 5: and that we've seen a lot of different women run 553 00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:47,439 Speaker 5: for president, whether that's all the women that ran in 554 00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:50,280 Speaker 5: twenty twenty on the Democratic side or even NICKI Haley. 555 00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:53,240 Speaker 5: I think that our only template for a powerful woman 556 00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:57,679 Speaker 5: was Hillary, who was very you know, very much qualified 557 00:24:57,680 --> 00:24:59,639 Speaker 5: on her own but also seen in the shadow of 558 00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:01,879 Speaker 5: her husban. And so we have seen a lot of 559 00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:04,080 Speaker 5: women from a lot of different templates that do not 560 00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:08,200 Speaker 5: involve you know, rising to fame with being a wife. 561 00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:10,000 Speaker 4: Right, So I think I think. 562 00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:12,680 Speaker 5: That is that has been something that's different and evolved 563 00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:16,080 Speaker 5: and positive. Right, We've seen multiple women on the campaigns, 564 00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:19,640 Speaker 5: on the debate stage. I remember when Hillary was running 565 00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:21,840 Speaker 5: and it was like twenty fifteen and people were talking about, well, 566 00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:23,480 Speaker 5: is Elizabeth Warrengan a run, and well, there can't be 567 00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:24,960 Speaker 5: two women on the stage and it's going to be 568 00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:25,440 Speaker 5: a catfight. 569 00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:25,600 Speaker 2: You know. 570 00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:27,879 Speaker 5: There was just like nobody could even perceive of how 571 00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:30,760 Speaker 5: two women would debate each other. So like, even seeing 572 00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:33,720 Speaker 5: multiple women on the debate stage in twenty twenty, I 573 00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:37,119 Speaker 5: think was really positive. I mean, one of the things 574 00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:39,720 Speaker 5: our show does is like is I think it's one 575 00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:42,560 Speaker 5: of the first shows to imagine female candidates that very 576 00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:45,359 Speaker 5: much aren't in the Hillary template. Right. And of course 577 00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:49,800 Speaker 5: there's themes that I learned from from covering Hillary that 578 00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:53,240 Speaker 5: work in heavily to the show. But like even the wardrobe, 579 00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:54,880 Speaker 5: I was just gonna. 580 00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:58,080 Speaker 3: Say, the aesthetic, right, because she had the hair and 581 00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:00,600 Speaker 3: the pants suit and it became so such a thing 582 00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:01,120 Speaker 3: for women. 583 00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:03,200 Speaker 5: Yeah, So there are things like that that we just 584 00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:05,680 Speaker 5: couldn't We can't even envision a woman in power who's 585 00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:08,679 Speaker 5: like not dressed like that, and that is essentially that 586 00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:11,080 Speaker 5: pants suit look was essentially trying to emulate a man. 587 00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:11,520 Speaker 2: Right. 588 00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:15,679 Speaker 5: So I think we've evolved a little, but sadly not 589 00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:17,800 Speaker 5: as much as I'd hoped. 590 00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:23,200 Speaker 3: There's this scene where Felicity like burns her brae, which to. 591 00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:25,600 Speaker 1: Me felt like the only moment where I was like, 592 00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:27,040 Speaker 1: this would never happen. 593 00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:32,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, But to that point, do you feel like writing 594 00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:37,399 Speaker 3: in these fictional characters, women running for president or in 595 00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:40,639 Speaker 3: any sort of power position that are doing things that 596 00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:45,479 Speaker 3: seem unbelievable. Now are moving then the narrative forward for 597 00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:49,840 Speaker 3: actual candidates to sort of start to step into things 598 00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:50,960 Speaker 3: that we haven't seen before. 599 00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:52,240 Speaker 4: I hope. 600 00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:54,200 Speaker 5: So. I mean, I think at its best, TV can 601 00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:57,920 Speaker 5: influence culture. BRA burning actually comes from a real situation. 602 00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:00,240 Speaker 5: In two thousand and eight, I was with Hillary New 603 00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:02,960 Speaker 5: Hampshire and she was doing a rally and all these 604 00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:06,480 Speaker 5: guys stood up and started chanting, iron my shirt, Iron 605 00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:10,040 Speaker 5: my shirt. I guess it's like this sexist chant and 606 00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:12,879 Speaker 5: and she just kind of kept pressing, you know, she 607 00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:15,320 Speaker 5: just pressed on with her pole. She just ignored them 608 00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:17,959 Speaker 5: and pressed on. And so in my head, I was like, 609 00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:20,119 Speaker 5: what if she really leaned into that? What if she 610 00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:22,000 Speaker 5: called them out? What if she took off her shirt 611 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:23,840 Speaker 5: and said you fucking hired it? But that was one 612 00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:27,200 Speaker 5: of those scenarios were like, instead of creating reality in 613 00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:29,720 Speaker 5: the show, create your wish, what do you wish would 614 00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:33,080 Speaker 5: have happened? And so like when Felicity like leans into 615 00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:35,160 Speaker 5: it and takes off her bra, it's like I could 616 00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:35,879 Speaker 5: actually see that. 617 00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:37,440 Speaker 4: You know, they call it the bra bump. She gets 618 00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:38,359 Speaker 4: a bump of the poles. 619 00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:41,439 Speaker 5: You know what happens when you actually respond the way 620 00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:44,240 Speaker 5: you know you wish you could, that you never really could. 621 00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:46,320 Speaker 5: And then the other thing is, like, you know, the 622 00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:51,520 Speaker 5: Joanna Gleeson plays Caroline Bennett the front Runner and the Pilot, 623 00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:53,520 Speaker 5: and then she flames out, And what I love about 624 00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:56,200 Speaker 5: her is that she flames out in her own sex scambal, 625 00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:58,280 Speaker 5: not her husband's sex scamble. You know. 626 00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:01,280 Speaker 1: So I agree that, Like, so j wait, like this 627 00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:04,679 Speaker 1: threesome cult thing, like it's. 628 00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:07,360 Speaker 5: Totally random, but like it was just fun to envision 629 00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:11,000 Speaker 5: of like a boomer woman flaming out because of her 630 00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:12,080 Speaker 5: own sex scandal. 631 00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:13,640 Speaker 4: We deserve sex scandals too. 632 00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:17,080 Speaker 2: So for anyone listening who doesn't realize this, the fact 633 00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:21,000 Speaker 2: that Amy made the move from reporting to screenwriting as 634 00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:24,600 Speaker 2: a career jump is really remarkable because so many journalists 635 00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:26,800 Speaker 2: dream of doing that. So I want to talk about 636 00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:29,439 Speaker 2: that pivot for a moment. How did that pivot test you? 637 00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:30,560 Speaker 1: Oh? 638 00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:32,800 Speaker 5: God, it definitely did. I mean, I feel like this 639 00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:33,760 Speaker 5: has been well for. 640 00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:35,840 Speaker 4: One I don't want to I don't want to give. 641 00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:37,439 Speaker 5: You too long of a response. But I was always 642 00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:40,240 Speaker 5: felt like a creative writer. I studied poetry in college. 643 00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:43,120 Speaker 5: I like moved to New York no job, no apartment. 644 00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:44,800 Speaker 5: I had a stack of clips in the daily text 645 00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:46,800 Speaker 5: and thinking I could be a journalist, but like, how 646 00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:48,480 Speaker 5: am I going to support myself as a poet. I 647 00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:51,520 Speaker 5: didn't have trust fund, you know, no one paying my rent. 648 00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:54,120 Speaker 5: So I you know, I got a job, as I 649 00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:56,760 Speaker 5: got a tempted a bunch of magazines. I eventually got 650 00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:59,480 Speaker 5: a job as the news assistant on the foreign desk 651 00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:01,520 Speaker 5: at the Wall Street Journal, and I just fell in 652 00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:02,400 Speaker 5: love with journalism. 653 00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:03,800 Speaker 4: I did that for a really long time. 654 00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:06,280 Speaker 5: But when I wrote my book and I got to 655 00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:09,560 Speaker 5: kind of write my own voice versus newspaper voice, it 656 00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:11,800 Speaker 5: just reminded me that, like, I really want to be 657 00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:15,320 Speaker 5: a creative writer. So in a way, transitioning to screenwriting 658 00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:17,560 Speaker 5: felt like my soul had come alive. Like I could 659 00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:20,560 Speaker 5: be like creative again. I could play with my imaginary friends. 660 00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:23,640 Speaker 5: So I say, but yeah, it was like it was 661 00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:26,280 Speaker 5: a real endurance. It's like an endurance sport. I mean, 662 00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:29,320 Speaker 5: this has taken five years and three networks, you know. 663 00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:33,800 Speaker 5: It was it was so many rewrites, rewriting the scripts 664 00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:37,400 Speaker 5: until you think you can't possibly rewrite anymore, and just 665 00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:42,520 Speaker 5: continuing to find joy. And you know, surprise in these 666 00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:45,760 Speaker 5: characters we created, even when you have so many rounds 667 00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:49,080 Speaker 5: of notes and so many challenges. So it's not it 668 00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:51,800 Speaker 5: wasn't an easy thing. But I've really really loved it. 669 00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:53,280 Speaker 4: Was it worth it? 670 00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:53,600 Speaker 2: It was? 671 00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:56,160 Speaker 5: It was worth it. Yes, it was worth it to 672 00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:58,040 Speaker 5: put this. I'm really proud of what we put out 673 00:29:58,080 --> 00:29:59,760 Speaker 5: in the world. I mean, to your point we were 674 00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:02,160 Speaker 5: talking earlier, is like that we got to envision this 675 00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:03,880 Speaker 5: world as we as we wish it would be. 676 00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:07,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it was. I think it was worth it. 677 00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:09,880 Speaker 5: I moved my whole I relocated my whole family to 678 00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:10,840 Speaker 5: Los Angeles. 679 00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:12,480 Speaker 4: My husband's Irish. 680 00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:16,600 Speaker 5: He still thinks it's relentlessly sunny here big swings. 681 00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:18,160 Speaker 1: To move your whole family's. 682 00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:19,680 Speaker 4: Bag, Yeah, I feel like you have to go like 683 00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:22,240 Speaker 4: all in, you know. But it was hard. 684 00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:23,720 Speaker 5: It was hard to leave the New York Times too, 685 00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:25,680 Speaker 5: and my whole kind of identity was wrapped up in 686 00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:26,920 Speaker 5: being a Times reporter. 687 00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:32,280 Speaker 3: Yeah. Have you found a new placeholder for that identity, 688 00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:35,240 Speaker 3: like a new title or are you good with sort 689 00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:37,120 Speaker 3: of the undefined role? 690 00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:38,200 Speaker 4: It's interesting. 691 00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:40,680 Speaker 5: I feel like here I just live much more of 692 00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:43,720 Speaker 5: a writer's life, you know, I don't necessarily need to 693 00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:46,080 Speaker 5: be like define in a way. I felt like I 694 00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:49,440 Speaker 5: did there, maybe because New York is just New York, 695 00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:51,840 Speaker 5: or or because you're always going into rooms and be 696 00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:53,400 Speaker 5: like I'm with the New York Times, you know, and 697 00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:56,360 Speaker 5: I feel like here, I just like really enjoy, you know, 698 00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:59,520 Speaker 5: playing with my imaginary friends and moving words on the page. 699 00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:02,880 Speaker 2: And Amy, Yeah, this must be so liberating for you 700 00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:07,200 Speaker 2: as a creative to be able to live in this playground. 701 00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:10,560 Speaker 2: I mean, coming from the newspaper world, from journalism where 702 00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:14,960 Speaker 2: you're held to such tight and high standards, You're free now. 703 00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:16,520 Speaker 4: Yeah. 704 00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:16,840 Speaker 1: It was. 705 00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:20,120 Speaker 5: There were definitely scenes that were really cathartic. There's a 706 00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:23,120 Speaker 5: scene at the end when Sadie has a conversation with 707 00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:25,640 Speaker 5: Felicity Walker that is like a conversation that I've had 708 00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:28,440 Speaker 5: in my head for eight years. I have to say 709 00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:31,080 Speaker 5: I was really a peak life experience to be able 710 00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:35,479 Speaker 5: to turn something that was painful into art. And I 711 00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:37,240 Speaker 5: know it's make a TV, but I'm still gonna call 712 00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:42,080 Speaker 5: it art man, And that was really cathartic. It was, Amy, 713 00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:45,400 Speaker 5: Thank you so much, so fun to talk to you, 714 00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:46,640 Speaker 5: and I'm so thrilled of you. 715 00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:47,240 Speaker 4: Like the show. 716 00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:49,320 Speaker 1: We love it heay. 717 00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:53,280 Speaker 3: Amy Chosick is a journalist, screenwriter, and creator of the 718 00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:57,040 Speaker 3: new TV series The Girls on the Bus. It's streaming 719 00:31:57,080 --> 00:31:59,920 Speaker 3: now on Max, so catch the season finale on May nine. 720 00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:02,560 Speaker 1: I promise you you won't regret it. 721 00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:09,280 Speaker 2: Hopefully the listeners can feel the energy in the room 722 00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:10,680 Speaker 2: because it was really electric. 723 00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:15,280 Speaker 3: Well, it's so fun to sit with another journalist, right, Like, 724 00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:18,360 Speaker 3: we get into the x's and o's and shared experiences 725 00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:19,600 Speaker 3: and differences. 726 00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:20,480 Speaker 1: It's fun. 727 00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:25,160 Speaker 3: But I could tell that you are really interested in 728 00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:30,000 Speaker 3: people's transitions. And I like that question you asked her 729 00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:32,160 Speaker 3: at the end about was it all worth it? 730 00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:32,800 Speaker 4: Totally? 731 00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:36,000 Speaker 2: And I gained a lot from hearing Amy talk about 732 00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:39,640 Speaker 2: hers I love that she did say, yes, this pivot 733 00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:41,320 Speaker 2: was worth it. In the end, you can tell that 734 00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:45,080 Speaker 2: she just has this renewed purpose now that she's on 735 00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:48,520 Speaker 2: this different career path. She said that her soul really 736 00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:52,600 Speaker 2: came alive becoming a screenwriter and transitioning out of journalism. 737 00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:56,520 Speaker 2: And also what she's doing is really powerful. She is 738 00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:59,640 Speaker 2: creating the world that she wants to see through her art. 739 00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:03,720 Speaker 2: Mm hmmm, that's it for today's show, Folks. Tomorrow, comedian 740 00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:07,120 Speaker 2: Mary Beth Baron is here. She's redefining comedy on her 741 00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:10,520 Speaker 2: own terms, and she shared some of her most provoking thoughts. 742 00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:13,960 Speaker 3: Plus, we're asking for a friend that's right. We want 743 00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:17,320 Speaker 3: to know your questions. 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