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Speaker 1: Still the place with Laura Layton, Courtney thorn Smith.

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Speaker 2: And Daphnews and Niga and iHeartRadio podcast, right and it

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Speaker 2: is exciting and Nasa Williams.

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Speaker 3: That's a Estelle Williams, right, you know these floating initials

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Speaker 3: that were erroneous and wrong.

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Speaker 2: I read about that, but there was a legal erroneous

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Speaker 2: settlement between you two. Sad they just said you both

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Speaker 2: could use Williams. Right.

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Speaker 3: Well, those Williams. Was the thing is I was first,

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Speaker 3: and so they should have made her change her name,

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Speaker 3: and she was this light and then everyone was making

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Speaker 3: mistake and giving me the L and then and then paramount.

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Speaker 3: At some point I think it was like some clerk

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Speaker 3: put an a initial was being known as Vanessa and

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Speaker 2: Was all wrong.

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Speaker 3: And then I just of late, just after the pandemic,

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Speaker 3: I was like, you know what, I'm just going to

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Speaker 3: do all three of the name of my My mama

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Speaker 3: gave me Vanessa Estelle Williams.

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Speaker 2: It's gorgeous.

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Speaker 3: I mean it was Vanessa.

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Speaker 1: You look insane, gorgeous. I walked in fell over looked better.

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Speaker 1: I really full of resentment. I'm trying to cover us.

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Speaker 3: Because beautiful, and I mean we're fine.

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Speaker 2: That's true, We're fine, but you.

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Speaker 3: Mycular fine not fine fine like fine wine like.

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Speaker 1: But honestly, the work has been while they were setting up,

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Speaker 1: it's been trying not to talk.

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Speaker 2: So now we can really talk about everything.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we've been, we've we've been like we knew each other.

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Speaker 3: I mean, listen was the beginning my like real professional

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Speaker 3: career in terms of television. So, I mean, we go

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Speaker 3: back so far I couldn't. I was watching the episodes

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Speaker 3: last night, you know, the one we're going to discuss

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Speaker 3: only and then dipping into like the other episodes, and

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Speaker 3: I was like, oh my gods, we were such babies. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: it seems so long ago, but not that long ago.

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Speaker 3: It seems like maybe ten years ago. We do have

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Speaker 3: the children in the matter.

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Speaker 1: We're just talking about how much fun it would be

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Speaker 1: to have all our kids in a picture. And then

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Speaker 1: that's to do it like a Melrose picture, like all

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Speaker 2: And a staircase. Now that's my focus.

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Speaker 1: That's what I want to have that happen on a

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Speaker 1: staircase like Dynasty, that outside staircase. I wonder if we

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Speaker 3: A New York that gap ad. You know, we had

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Speaker 3: Annie Lieberwitz, that Annie Lee Express. So I like that.

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Speaker 1: Somebody call so do you remember your audition process?

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Speaker 3: You can, of course. So they were like, you know,

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Speaker 3: I'm new to town, right, I've done a lot of

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Speaker 3: so I was like, let me come out to LA

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Speaker 3: die hard. That's why it's definitely you thought I was

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Speaker 3: still living there because I whenever there, I dig in

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Speaker 2: It was your movie New Jack New Jack City, New

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Speaker 4: Movie.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, It's that launched my beginnings. And I came here

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Speaker 3: So I booked Candy Man all right, was my second,

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Speaker 5: Okay, so you know, it was like you know spelling,

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Speaker 6: It wasn't sorry, it was part of your audition or

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Speaker 3: I didn't have to dance. I mean, thank goodness for

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Speaker 3: There were some episodes were like no, I think that's

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so you watched the episode was you and your Rival?

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Do you happen to remember the scene they had

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Speaker 3: It was it was a scene with Doug. It was

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, Virginia was the best, the best.

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Speaker 3: So what we were doing was was a vocation, not

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Speaker 2: You come out here. I mean I didn't start in

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Speaker 2: and I did Beater, and it's like it's a whole

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Speaker 3: It's different. It definitely is machine or some sort.

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Speaker 3: I think it's twenty years, could be thirty.

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Speaker 3: You have adult We will that we all have adult

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Speaker 4: Last time we were together, like we had kids in school.

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Speaker 4: I had all of that. I had all of that

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Speaker 3: You were coming to the class, you know, because you

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Speaker 4: You haven't lost the second of your kindness.

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Speaker 3: We're having an exhibition for him and you'll all be invited.

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Speaker 3: So and then my my youngest who's turning twenty one,

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Speaker 4: Oh god, are until November three? It's been a good time.

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Speaker 4: So it's great to see you.

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Speaker 2: Have so much to talk about. Thanks for calling call.

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Speaker 3: I mean it was so like perfect because I just

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Speaker 2: You love you? That's so great. Miss.

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Speaker 3: I love it. You have a great chemistry, you know,

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Speaker 3: Read dub whole shows Like I don't I don't call

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Speaker 3: I know, right, you know, it was it was a

442
00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:35,920
Speaker 3: disconnect because that was never how I acted in real life,

443
00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:39,000
Speaker 3: you know. And and I you know, I guess they

444
00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:41,439
Speaker 3: was just looking for the drama and like this is

445
00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:43,920
Speaker 3: how people would act, and I guess this would be

446
00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:47,200
Speaker 3: more interesting to watch. Yeah, you know, and I think again,

447
00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:49,879
Speaker 3: like they were tweaking my character, like they didn't really know.

448
00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:52,880
Speaker 3: There were no black writers on the show, so it

449
00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:55,080
Speaker 3: was like there was not a real voice of anyone

450
00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:58,240
Speaker 3: who like what had Ronda's experience, And like I said,

451
00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:00,919
Speaker 3: they were finding the characters and figuring out, you know,

452
00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:03,960
Speaker 3: just how she would respond. So I, as the actors,

453
00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:06,119
Speaker 3: was trying to find some levels to it and whatever.

454
00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:08,240
Speaker 3: But you know, you can't control like what they cut,

455
00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:11,040
Speaker 3: you know, how it gets edited together and what point

456
00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:14,080
Speaker 3: they were trying to make based on whatever the other

457
00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:17,240
Speaker 3: storylines were too, And so you know, I just I

458
00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:19,520
Speaker 3: could justify you know watching it, well, you know, the

459
00:22:19,520 --> 00:22:22,240
Speaker 3: balloons come in and then here's this like selfish girl.

460
00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:24,240
Speaker 3: Oh I got to run out to my Holly party.

461
00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:26,600
Speaker 3: And then what I thought when I was watching it too,

462
00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:29,919
Speaker 3: was you know anything it happened up in that party,

463
00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:33,119
Speaker 3: Like she's going out without her roommate. Like I was like, no,

464
00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:35,480
Speaker 3: she would have taken her girl, you know, or some

465
00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:39,000
Speaker 3: friend with her to make sure. Now do we know

466
00:22:39,040 --> 00:22:40,280
Speaker 3: what Hollywood is with?

467
00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:42,240
Speaker 2: I mean, don't you think it's interesting here in twenty

468
00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:43,560
Speaker 2: twenty four looking.

469
00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:48,120
Speaker 7: Back at how innocent innocent and how things we didn't

470
00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:51,560
Speaker 7: think at the time didn't notice just like, Okay, well

471
00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:53,280
Speaker 7: I got to say I did love those hats, though

472
00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:55,840
Speaker 7: I kept those hats.

473
00:22:57,800 --> 00:22:59,200
Speaker 2: Did you get to keep from.

474
00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:05,200
Speaker 3: Some of those pieces were my own? Occually was? And

475
00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:07,560
Speaker 3: but you know it was very you know I was like, oh,

476
00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:10,680
Speaker 3: that's still my style, but colectic off the shoulder, Yeah,

477
00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:13,120
Speaker 3: you had a real style, You had a real she

478
00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:15,119
Speaker 3: was She was really great. And I think that the

479
00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:18,000
Speaker 3: costume people really pulled from what was going on in

480
00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:20,119
Speaker 3: the day. You know, all of that, you know, leisure

481
00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:22,960
Speaker 3: wear as out of wear, you know, the tights, the

482
00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:27,080
Speaker 3: leg warmers and the button always combat boot, always combat.

483
00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:27,320
Speaker 2: Boot, right.

484
00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:28,679
Speaker 3: So it was fun.

485
00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:30,520
Speaker 2: It was so you did have a say in that

486
00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:33,359
Speaker 2: with the wardrobe person say like, bring you things that

487
00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:34,000
Speaker 2: you liked.

488
00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:36,159
Speaker 3: Mostly they brought me things that like in and you know,

489
00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:38,480
Speaker 3: occasionally I was like, oh I have this, and you know,

490
00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:42,160
Speaker 3: it was like a collaboration and certainly all like the wraps,

491
00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:44,320
Speaker 3: the African raps, and you know, because my whole thing

492
00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:46,479
Speaker 3: was like my hair is natural, this how it comes

493
00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:48,639
Speaker 3: down my head. You know, when I got to Hollywood,

494
00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:51,040
Speaker 3: every black girl had to weave down to her next

495
00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:54,320
Speaker 3: So it was radical to be on a TV show

496
00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:58,280
Speaker 3: with like little tiny butting locks and you know, twist

497
00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:00,719
Speaker 3: out and just like you know, here I am like

498
00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:03,040
Speaker 3: this is beautiful too. You know, I've always felt like

499
00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:06,800
Speaker 3: politically conscious and you know I call myself a naturalistu

500
00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:10,720
Speaker 3: og the og huh yeah, because there's that whole movement

501
00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:13,760
Speaker 3: of natural hair, and you know, being not having to

502
00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:16,679
Speaker 3: keep up with any other kind of standard beauty as

503
00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:18,120
Speaker 3: a Ronda was really killing that.

504
00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:19,240
Speaker 2: Well, that's amazing.

505
00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:21,119
Speaker 1: That really wasn't ahead of your time because that just

506
00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:22,919
Speaker 1: came back up a few years ago. Ye were so

507
00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:23,960
Speaker 1: far ahead of time.

508
00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:26,479
Speaker 3: Was kudos to them for embracing it. This is what

509
00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:28,800
Speaker 3: I'm saying that I got hired like that. You know,

510
00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:31,280
Speaker 3: it was really they were really moving the needle and

511
00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:34,840
Speaker 3: really conscious of it. Darren was really great to you know,

512
00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:36,879
Speaker 3: as we go to talk about that, you know, the

513
00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:41,120
Speaker 3: aftermath kind of episode or where I read an initial

514
00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:44,159
Speaker 3: draft and I was like, Ronda can't say, you know,

515
00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:46,640
Speaker 3: I know that they're black people, say those people, I said,

516
00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:49,840
Speaker 3: but you know, Ronda can't. Ronda can't as much as

517
00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:51,960
Speaker 3: she's out of touch with baby, her community and she's

518
00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:53,800
Speaker 3: been in this bubble and in a suburban bubble and

519
00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:56,359
Speaker 3: all our friends or you know, mostly white people, you know,

520
00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:59,760
Speaker 3: she can't. She can't really say, she can't really disassociate

521
00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:03,320
Speaker 3: hers so much. Like I was like, I didn't want

522
00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:07,199
Speaker 3: my myself and my character to be confused that this

523
00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:09,560
Speaker 3: would somehow be like my point of view. So I

524
00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:11,280
Speaker 3: was like, yeah, she can. She can say that, but

525
00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:14,320
Speaker 3: she can't point over there like these people are different

526
00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:18,160
Speaker 3: than her. And so it turned the whole gist of

527
00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:21,199
Speaker 3: the story. I was so grateful, Oh you expressed that,

528
00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:24,320
Speaker 3: and then they that Darren, Darren heard me. I had

529
00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:26,639
Speaker 3: a whole little meeting with you do oh.

530
00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:28,440
Speaker 2: I did. So what was the script originally?

531
00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:33,560
Speaker 3: What ie the vibe? I can't remember precisely, but I

532
00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:37,919
Speaker 3: went in there and I talked about that that that

533
00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:42,520
Speaker 3: I didn't want to like be so out of it, right,

534
00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:44,399
Speaker 3: that I didn't want ron to Chart to be so

535
00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:46,960
Speaker 3: out of it that she also was saying those people

536
00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:47,560
Speaker 3: over there.

537
00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:49,840
Speaker 2: So let me just for our audience. You didn't see

538
00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:52,119
Speaker 2: it because not everyone follows along, but this is the

539
00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:55,280
Speaker 2: episode where it's the same year as the Rodney.

540
00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:57,640
Speaker 3: What's the same year exactly? Because I was I was watching,

541
00:25:57,680 --> 00:25:59,119
Speaker 3: I said, let me see when did this happen? And

542
00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:02,159
Speaker 3: when did we shoot this? So the started and the

543
00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:05,920
Speaker 3: verdict happened in May of ninety two, right, and we

544
00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:09,959
Speaker 3: and this show that episode aired in September, right, so

545
00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:10,760
Speaker 3: it was fresh.

546
00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:13,000
Speaker 2: So that episode what happened in the episode?

547
00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:17,080
Speaker 3: So in the episode, you know, Ronda, well Billy comes

548
00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:19,879
Speaker 3: back and he's gotten robbed, and you know, I was

549
00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:21,240
Speaker 3: so glad they cut away because I was like, what

550
00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:23,440
Speaker 3: happens to be like, how's this happening? And we're all

551
00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:26,520
Speaker 3: all of the whole you know, home crew is like concerned,

552
00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:29,080
Speaker 3: like what happened? And he's just like, yeah, I got

553
00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:31,119
Speaker 3: you know whatever, the car got robbed, but he just

554
00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:33,600
Speaker 3: got robbed. But there's not a scar on him, There's

555
00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:36,360
Speaker 3: not anything. And it was like a dangerous time because

556
00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:39,400
Speaker 3: you know, the riots had happened, all of this angst

557
00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:44,240
Speaker 3: about the policing of those of our neighborhoods and everything

558
00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:48,119
Speaker 3: was really at the fore. It was really really you know,

559
00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:48,960
Speaker 3: volatile time.

560
00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:50,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he was down in South Central.

561
00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:52,720
Speaker 3: He was dropping of a lady in South Central and

562
00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:54,880
Speaker 3: then his car gets robbed and like it's kid's cab

563
00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:57,439
Speaker 3: gets like you know, bashed in. But he did. They

564
00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:00,480
Speaker 3: just take him for his money, right, and then what

565
00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:03,359
Speaker 3: else happened to hell.

566
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:05,000
Speaker 1: You're talking about the scene when he comes back and

567
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:07,399
Speaker 1: he said, I'm not going to go down there again.

568
00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:11,520
Speaker 3: Right, It's like he makes some sort of he makes

569
00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:21,400
Speaker 3: some sort of deflection about those kinds of people. Yeah, yes, right,

570
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:24,119
Speaker 3: not like this is a specific thing that happened. I

571
00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:28,560
Speaker 3: got jacked and these guys whatever. He just like blankets

572
00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:31,680
Speaker 3: the whole area. And that was a sentiment like, oh,

573
00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:33,960
Speaker 3: don't go down into the jungle. And you know, Ronda says,

574
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:36,040
Speaker 3: oh what the jungle, and all these things like that.

575
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:39,119
Speaker 3: So Ronda takes it like, oh, what are you saying

576
00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:41,800
Speaker 3: about the community that I come from? Just because I

577
00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:45,040
Speaker 3: live here with you guys and I'm in this mumble

578
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:47,159
Speaker 3: And then she it also causes her to reflect. So

579
00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:50,560
Speaker 3: this is what I go into Darren's office with with, Like,

580
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:55,240
Speaker 3: you know, she can't be part of among the people

581
00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:59,199
Speaker 3: saying those people over there and I'm separate from that.

582
00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:01,880
Speaker 3: She's got to realize, Oh, I need to grow myself.

583
00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:04,600
Speaker 3: I've been away out of context. I haven't seen my grandmam,

584
00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:07,200
Speaker 3: my cousin, you know, whoever still lives in South Central whatever.

585
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:08,960
Speaker 3: And that was the thing, like we never got to

586
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:13,920
Speaker 3: see Rhonda's background, right, but certainly, you know she knows

587
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:15,760
Speaker 3: people there. She you know, she's a part of that

588
00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:19,040
Speaker 3: community no matter where you know, where you are. And

589
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:23,600
Speaker 3: and so I was just really grateful that he that

590
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:26,760
Speaker 3: that Darren really heard me and turned it into Okay,

591
00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:29,240
Speaker 3: let's everybody have an awakening. Awakening.

592
00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:32,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's great. Yea, I love the whole story.

593
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:35,119
Speaker 1: I'm so happy because we were talking about it, when

594
00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:37,600
Speaker 1: we talked about the episode, We're saying, I wonder what

595
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:39,760
Speaker 1: that was like for you because there were very few

596
00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:41,480
Speaker 1: women on the writing staff, there may have been one

597
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:43,520
Speaker 1: at that point and you know black people at all.

598
00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:46,360
Speaker 1: And I love that makes sense because it really felt

599
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:47,800
Speaker 1: like they had a pretty good handle on it.

600
00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:49,840
Speaker 3: Why because it was.

601
00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:54,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I really talked about and more real than a

602
00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:57,760
Speaker 2: stere cliche storyline, right, which it could have been.

603
00:28:57,800 --> 00:28:59,640
Speaker 3: It easily easily could have been. And I think that

604
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:03,560
Speaker 3: you know, to our level of commitment to craft and

605
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:06,600
Speaker 3: really going deeper with it, and their commitment to like

606
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:09,920
Speaker 3: really telling a story. Again, like the focus of it

607
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:16,240
Speaker 3: was really about, you know, young adults growing into themselves

608
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:19,080
Speaker 3: and what kind of world they wanted to create and

609
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:22,600
Speaker 3: live in and how their worldview would would be right.

610
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:24,480
Speaker 1: I love that you did that though, because it took courage.

611
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:26,400
Speaker 1: So we talk a lot of it was exact word,

612
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:28,720
Speaker 1: we had to do everything. So I love that you

613
00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:30,960
Speaker 1: had the courage to call them and say this doesn't

614
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:33,000
Speaker 1: feel authentic, man, and that they listened.

615
00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:35,400
Speaker 3: It was really it was really powerful, and it was

616
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:37,360
Speaker 3: sort of like I was nervous to do it. I

617
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:39,760
Speaker 3: was like, and it's not like I went through my

618
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:41,200
Speaker 3: agent and say hey, I want to have it, like

619
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:45,400
Speaker 3: I just but we had already there had been this

620
00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:50,480
Speaker 3: sort of like familiarity within the production company and Aaron

621
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:54,960
Speaker 3: and Darren that I felt that I could come when

622
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:58,520
Speaker 3: something troubled me. I knew regardless that I couldn't live

623
00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:01,040
Speaker 3: with myself without sayings they had listened to or not.

624
00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:03,040
Speaker 3: I was going to have to act my way through

625
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:05,480
Speaker 3: those deeper meanings or the meanings that I was trying

626
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:08,240
Speaker 3: to say. It was moving to be to be able

627
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:09,760
Speaker 3: to affect the change, like.

628
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:13,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, did you feel like that in other storylines.

629
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:14,920
Speaker 6: Like did you find yourself like with that door open?

630
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:17,080
Speaker 6: Was that then an ongoing conversation that you.

631
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:20,360
Speaker 3: It wasn't necessarily an ongoing conversation, listen, I was happy

632
00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:23,680
Speaker 3: to be there, Yeah, okay, like I want to pay job.

633
00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:24,360
Speaker 2: No, it wasn't.

634
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:26,120
Speaker 3: It wasn't that I felt like I would be pushing

635
00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:28,760
Speaker 3: or anything. But it never got like that sensitive about

636
00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:30,440
Speaker 3: these like racial kinds of things.

637
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:31,080
Speaker 2: You know.

638
00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:35,000
Speaker 3: Then it just became universal themes of like relationships with

639
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:37,640
Speaker 3: your MoMA, you know, what do your friends say? And

640
00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:40,600
Speaker 3: the act or the actor as like that wasn't that

641
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:42,320
Speaker 3: wasn't something I needed to go to the back to

642
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:44,320
Speaker 3: back right, you know, like you know what I mean?

643
00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:46,200
Speaker 3: It was just like Okay, this is this could be

644
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:49,360
Speaker 3: somebody's take on it. Another episode that comes to mind

645
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:53,280
Speaker 3: was when raid On Chong came talking about Roommates from Hell.

646
00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:54,480
Speaker 3: But that how far along.

647
00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:57,360
Speaker 6: We're we're we're about to watch it.

648
00:30:57,560 --> 00:30:59,920
Speaker 3: Oh, you can talk about because because because it's after

649
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:04,160
Speaker 3: Amy leaves. Oh, and then she comes in, I get

650
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:08,480
Speaker 3: like this single white female kind of It's just like

651
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:12,640
Speaker 3: she's you know, she's like commandeering my life and rearranging

652
00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:16,120
Speaker 3: my my my hangars in my closet and I'm like,

653
00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:20,120
Speaker 3: where is my Oh I cleaned everything with bleach and

654
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:23,960
Speaker 3: it was just like, my god, so funny. And ray

655
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:26,840
Speaker 3: Raydn is such a marvelous actress, so it was like

656
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:29,480
Speaker 3: beautiful having her as a guest star and having to

657
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:32,240
Speaker 3: do all that. And she was such a like differential

658
00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:35,360
Speaker 3: from any character we'd ever seen her play, So she

659
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:37,840
Speaker 3: was on it.

660
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:39,200
Speaker 2: We had such great guest stars.

661
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:40,960
Speaker 1: You talked about that a lot, how much fun it

662
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:43,240
Speaker 1: is to see who came through. I missed that about

663
00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:45,440
Speaker 1: being a regular on the show. I miss meeting all

664
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:46,880
Speaker 1: the people you get to come from, get.

665
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:48,640
Speaker 3: To work, and wonderful directors as well.

666
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:53,880
Speaker 2: You know, what do you remember? I don't know. After

667
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:54,480
Speaker 2: thirty years.

668
00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:56,960
Speaker 1: We can't remember some of them who come back to

669
00:31:57,120 --> 00:32:02,440
Speaker 1: Richard Lang. We remember Dannie Carell and Charlie Carrell.

670
00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:04,760
Speaker 2: Talked about Victoria with Thomas. You had a hard time

671
00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:06,680
Speaker 2: with Victoria Hackburg. I don't know if.

672
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:13,360
Speaker 3: Rooney Bean that's what I was Bethan Rooney. And then

673
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:17,120
Speaker 3: I worked with Bethany again on some other shows. But

674
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:21,040
Speaker 3: Bethany was great. She's amazing. What she wanted she really did.

675
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:22,840
Speaker 3: She was like she was she was a mom too,

676
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:25,360
Speaker 3: and she was like okay. She really had a way

677
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:28,760
Speaker 3: of like nurturing way of talking to actors. I loved it. Yeah,

678
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:30,320
Speaker 3: clear vision.

679
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:32,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, she was connected us and the men. It's happened

680
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:34,520
Speaker 1: with all the women directors. The men would go are

681
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:35,640
Speaker 1: you sure, and she would.

682
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 3: Go, I am. And think about how like love that

683
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:39,240
Speaker 3: she was.

684
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:42,040
Speaker 1: So she knew exactly what she wanted to go. Really,

685
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:44,880
Speaker 1: She's like yes, and I was like, oh, that's why

686
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:45,280
Speaker 1: I want to be.

687
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:49,120
Speaker 3: These were very crucial times in our social constructs, of

688
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:52,520
Speaker 3: of of of ideas about women. And you know this,

689
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:55,800
Speaker 3: the nineties were really really volt times. You know, we

690
00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:58,840
Speaker 3: look back now and think, yeah, you know, you know,

691
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:02,400
Speaker 3: women's rye and all the things, but we were moving

692
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:06,720
Speaker 3: the needle so far in those times, and yeah, it

693
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:07,880
Speaker 3: was really cutting edge.

694
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:10,560
Speaker 2: That's a good point that you're saying, Vanessa, because I

695
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:14,520
Speaker 2: think of the nineties and again my age being so young,

696
00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:16,680
Speaker 2: like you're saying, we're also young, and so I think

697
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:19,560
Speaker 2: of it as a very nostalgic, joyful time, but you

698
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:24,080
Speaker 2: forget what really, in a bigger sense, those times were about.

699
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:26,880
Speaker 3: For sure. I mean that we can list all these

700
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:30,760
Speaker 3: women directors on our show that wasn't the norm.

701
00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:35,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, and even yeah, and even and even the storylines

702
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:38,440
Speaker 2: you know, we went back to I've seen a lot

703
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:41,600
Speaker 2: of them now and just all the drama that they

704
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:43,560
Speaker 2: came up with was violence against women.

705
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:45,680
Speaker 3: Yes, go to Yes, I mean.

706
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:48,400
Speaker 2: That did you feel that coming in the season one?

707
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:48,760
Speaker 2: Did that?

708
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:49,200
Speaker 4: Well?

709
00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:53,360
Speaker 3: Remember they the episode where Amy is getting stalked, Like

710
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 3: it's a light stalking, Yeah, you know, it's yeah, there's flowers.

711
00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:02,960
Speaker 3: But I was like, oh, this was them touching at

712
00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:05,960
Speaker 3: some really deeper stuff that was happening, you know, But

713
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:08,960
Speaker 3: I feel like they were really trying to balance this,

714
00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:12,400
Speaker 3: you know, nine oh two one oh echoes, right, Like

715
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:16,360
Speaker 3: we were like in that sauce of that with doing

716
00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:22,360
Speaker 3: much more cutting edge, deep, you know, thirty something ideology

717
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:23,640
Speaker 3: and and themes.

718
00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:26,160
Speaker 2: I think they as a show we're trying to figure

719
00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:29,319
Speaker 2: themselves out. Yeah, we're all saying yeah, because there's some

720
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:33,640
Speaker 2: of your storylines about the I'm thinking of you with Terrence.

721
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:37,080
Speaker 3: And though I didn't watch those again okay, yeah, we

722
00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:41,760
Speaker 3: haven't watched Gotten, but I just remember what you thought

723
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:42,000
Speaker 3: of that.

724
00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:43,920
Speaker 2: I was wondering, wasn't you on for a while?

725
00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:47,719
Speaker 3: Yes, Yes, I think I think Ronda was really like

726
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:50,080
Speaker 3: moving through. Okay. Am I an artist? Am I a

727
00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 3: career woman, an entrepreneur? I've got my business here, and

728
00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:56,839
Speaker 3: then there's some man who wants to come and just

729
00:34:56,880 --> 00:34:59,160
Speaker 3: swoop me up and just you know, put me in

730
00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:05,880
Speaker 3: as a trad wife, right exactly. And so you know

731
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:07,680
Speaker 3: that ski Oh that was one of the outfits I

732
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:11,600
Speaker 3: wish I had kept. Oh my goodness, this one suit.

733
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:13,800
Speaker 3: You know, this wash is such a great thing. He

734
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:16,120
Speaker 3: took me skiing like so he was taking her out

735
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:19,040
Speaker 3: of her, you know, out of her what she could.

736
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:21,879
Speaker 2: Have shown her, what he could be with him.

737
00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:23,719
Speaker 3: But she was like, listen, I'm not such an eat.

738
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:27,200
Speaker 3: You can't just buy me. Hold on, I've got career

739
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:29,880
Speaker 3: moves and other things I want to do. So really,

740
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 3: you know, I think these were ideas and themes that

741
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:36,279
Speaker 3: women were going through, age were going through. Yeah, so attracted,

742
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:37,480
Speaker 3: tract with what we've got.

743
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:39,520
Speaker 2: An over guy comes in who has a career and

744
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:41,279
Speaker 2: stuff and kind of just takes you to all this

745
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:42,320
Speaker 2: fancy stuff.

746
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:45,480
Speaker 3: With important fancy you know me now, So yeah, we're

747
00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:47,040
Speaker 3: gonna do this together, you know.

748
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:49,200
Speaker 2: But you pick up, you come back to the apartment,

749
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:52,879
Speaker 2: you picked up, you pick your buds, right, yes, yeah,

750
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:54,120
Speaker 2: what was the outpit?

751
00:35:54,920 --> 00:36:02,640
Speaker 3: That outfit was like a beautiful like onesie no, no, no, no,

752
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 3: when he took me skiing ski out But can we

753
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:12,920
Speaker 3: talk about my kiss with Nestor? Oh that was my

754
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:18,520
Speaker 3: first on screen kids, Oh my goodness. I never thought

755
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:22,280
Speaker 3: of myself as a leading lady. So to be able

756
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:25,359
Speaker 3: to have an on screen kiss, it was just like

757
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:27,680
Speaker 3: I was always like the sidekick, the friend, you know,

758
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:31,799
Speaker 3: you know, and so to like have a kiss, it

759
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:35,120
Speaker 3: was so so great, was it? It was so great?

760
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:36,440
Speaker 2: Was he? What was he like?

761
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:38,680
Speaker 3: He was marvels We had the same agent actually, so

762
00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:41,000
Speaker 3: that was he was cool. He was very you know,

763
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:46,040
Speaker 3: just beautiful and marvelous. So so that was great too. Okay,

764
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:48,920
Speaker 3: like in terms of how the this was, this was

765
00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:52,440
Speaker 3: good feedback that we got. So originally, you know, my

766
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:54,400
Speaker 3: character Ronda was going to be sort of like a

767
00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:57,040
Speaker 3: plane chain and you couldn't really get a date, and

768
00:36:57,040 --> 00:36:59,680
Speaker 3: they were going with that, with that idea, and then

769
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:02,480
Speaker 3: they then then then it wasn't really tracking.

770
00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:06,279
Speaker 2: If she can't get.

771
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:11,080
Speaker 3: And then I started to have like boy friends and

772
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:13,640
Speaker 3: all these things. So that was so much fun.

773
00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:16,880
Speaker 2: That was really really nice. So you did have effect

774
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 2: there too. Yeah.

775
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:20,080
Speaker 3: Again again you know they wrote toward the character. That's

776
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:22,360
Speaker 3: that was also like what you know, good writers do,

777
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:25,080
Speaker 3: a good writing staff do well, they'll write to the

778
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:28,719
Speaker 3: to the.

779
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:29,680
Speaker 2: The chemistry that's already there. Yeah. Energy.

780
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:33,120
Speaker 1: Yeah. One of our fan questions that I thought was

781
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:36,600
Speaker 1: so hilarious is are you upset that they're the only

782
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:38,560
Speaker 1: one who didn't get to have a relationship with Grant?

783
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:40,560
Speaker 2: Yeah? I am.

784
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:43,240
Speaker 3: And you know the reason, it's not that they didn't

785
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:47,560
Speaker 3: consider it. I think the affiliates in Middle America weren't

786
00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:49,320
Speaker 3: really going to buy it. Guys. You got to remember

787
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:53,200
Speaker 3: what times we were These were really like not eve

788
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:56,520
Speaker 3: all times the audience was not WOA, which is a

789
00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 3: good thing awaken to like where we need to grow

790
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:01,080
Speaker 3: and where we need to you know, we're taking back

791
00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:04,600
Speaker 3: that term. It's it's like the audience wasn't ready. So yeah,

792
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:06,799
Speaker 3: so it was a it was a big thing, you

793
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:11,120
Speaker 3: know for me to even kiss you know, nestor really yeah,

794
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:13,479
Speaker 3: of course, I mean, of course Grant would be getting around.

795
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:14,920
Speaker 3: Of course Grant would be getting.

796
00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:15,560
Speaker 2: The black girl.

797
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:22,280
Speaker 3: Ye black lovers off camera kidding me and she's a dancer,

798
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:28,640
Speaker 3: come on, So talking about Stevie, Yeah, I.

799
00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:29,640
Speaker 2: Could have calmed Darren.

800
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:37,799
Speaker 6: Did you feel that, like through the course of season one,

801
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:40,000
Speaker 6: did you feel like the writing was there for you

802
00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:42,320
Speaker 6: or like, did you see as the show is evolving,

803
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:44,799
Speaker 6: because we've had people say like, and I think you've

804
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:48,040
Speaker 6: even mentioned in interviews, like there were no black writers.

805
00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:49,239
Speaker 2: And they didn't really know what to do with your character.

806
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:50,200
Speaker 2: They didn't know what.

807
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:52,440
Speaker 3: To do with my character, which is why eventually, like

808
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:54,879
Speaker 3: I left, especially when the show turned from like it's

809
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:56,640
Speaker 3: just gonna be nighttime soap opera and everybody's gonna be

810
00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:58,560
Speaker 3: sleeping with everybody's like they didn't know what to do.

811
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:01,440
Speaker 3: But I never felt it. I never felt it. I

812
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:04,719
Speaker 3: got just as many fan letters. I was. I went

813
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:07,160
Speaker 3: to Spelling's house, you know, when we got through, when

814
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:09,040
Speaker 3: we got the pickups, I thought, I was going on,

815
00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:10,560
Speaker 3: we're the rest with everyone.

816
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:13,600
Speaker 1: Everyone's going to be sleeping with everybody, and I that's

817
00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:17,239
Speaker 1: such a fascinating No. No, of course, you know what.

818
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:19,359
Speaker 1: I brought outside people in for me, so I got

819
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:21,440
Speaker 1: to keep my good girl here. I sleep with outside people.

820
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:24,440
Speaker 1: But but that's an interesting thing. If they don't have

821
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:28,759
Speaker 1: people sleeping with everybody, and if they can't have interracial couples,

822
00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:30,719
Speaker 1: how complicated that my.

823
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:33,479
Speaker 3: Mind is being it was going to be, and they're

824
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:36,880
Speaker 3: not being a writer in the room to reflect you know,

825
00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:40,960
Speaker 3: that storyline, that character, you know, it just it just

826
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:44,560
Speaker 3: it matters, It really really matters. And so I didn't

827
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:48,200
Speaker 3: feel like I needed to, you know, go in there

828
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:51,480
Speaker 3: and advocate for any kinds of storylines. I was having

829
00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:55,080
Speaker 3: a good time. Yeah, the clothing and the camaraderie. I

830
00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:57,200
Speaker 3: was engaged with all of the certain line. No matter

831
00:39:57,239 --> 00:39:59,600
Speaker 3: what the storyline is, Ronda always had something to say

832
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:02,680
Speaker 3: take on it. So you know, I was fine. And

833
00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:04,960
Speaker 3: and like I said, it turned from her being like,

834
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:07,120
Speaker 3: you know, hard to date and everything to like having

835
00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:09,359
Speaker 3: lots of dates and then eventually you know, getting married

836
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:12,200
Speaker 3: and whatever. So I was that was fine, right, living

837
00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:15,800
Speaker 3: my best life getting married, you know, between episodes and stuff.

838
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:16,920
Speaker 3: It was so funny.

839
00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:20,120
Speaker 2: So you got married during off hour, See I did?

840
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:20,960
Speaker 2: I did.

841
00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:23,440
Speaker 3: It was so crazy, eleven months of dating and then

842
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:26,239
Speaker 3: I married my my ex. You know, we had a

843
00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:28,719
Speaker 3: good sixteen year run and two beautiful kids and so

844
00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:31,839
Speaker 3: but it was really and exciting, you know, that was

845
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:34,800
Speaker 3: my experience. It was my first series of regular job.

846
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:38,160
Speaker 3: I'm not complaining about a damn thing. That was pretty great,

847
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:40,520
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. And all of you, all

848
00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:43,200
Speaker 3: of it, we were so it was so much fun,

849
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:47,000
Speaker 3: you know, working. Yeah, so I know this is boring, right,

850
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:48,719
Speaker 3: there's no like drama.

851
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:51,719
Speaker 6: But I know, but it's yannimous, like you know, we're

852
00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:53,920
Speaker 6: all telling the truth. Yeah, it happens to be.

853
00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:56,359
Speaker 3: And lots of people were getting married too, Like didn't

854
00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:57,920
Speaker 3: Josie get married that year.

855
00:40:57,719 --> 00:41:02,320
Speaker 1: Too, honeymoons short as we kept filming, we never stopped

856
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:03,440
Speaker 1: filming filming.

857
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:05,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, was Thomas already married?

858
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:09,120
Speaker 1: No, Thomas met Liz during the film first season.

859
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:11,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, so it was that time in our lives. Thomas

860
00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:12,440
Speaker 3: and who else speaking a.

861
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:16,680
Speaker 2: List, these guys at me till later.

862
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:23,200
Speaker 1: Did not marry me, but Andrew got married during Yes

863
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:31,160
Speaker 1: he did babies, right, Heather, I'm not sure divorced and

864
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:33,799
Speaker 1: remarried during the show going on.

865
00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:36,960
Speaker 3: Well, and Heather came our first season too, And okay,

866
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:41,400
Speaker 3: so so when it when it was not tracking that this,

867
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:45,759
Speaker 3: this twenty something angsty thing was going to really be

868
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:47,600
Speaker 3: what hooked us in because you were saying, this is

869
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:50,480
Speaker 3: another thought that I had. We had so much publicity,

870
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:55,280
Speaker 3: remember all of those weeks and and and photo shoots,

871
00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:57,480
Speaker 3: and we had no we hadn't seen the script, and

872
00:41:57,520 --> 00:41:58,759
Speaker 3: they were like, so what did it?

873
00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:01,040
Speaker 1: And we were on like, yeah, your character, Like I

874
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:03,040
Speaker 1: couldn't I tell you yet?

875
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:05,080
Speaker 2: Yeah? Wow?

876
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:07,239
Speaker 3: And they were hooking, you know, putting us together in

877
00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:09,239
Speaker 3: different shots. We went out to a desert and did

878
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:12,799
Speaker 3: a shot that we had a whole block party in

879
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:16,520
Speaker 3: the middle of melwork. They shut they shut down to

880
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:17,719
Speaker 3: have that. Do you remember that?

881
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:21,040
Speaker 2: No, I remember going to this mountain.

882
00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:23,799
Speaker 1: They were doing an event autographs anding Magic Mountain. I

883
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:25,279
Speaker 1: don't think you came that day because there were just

884
00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:27,640
Speaker 1: a few of us, the people who weren't shooting, and

885
00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:31,719
Speaker 1: nobody came, people are like, who are you? People were saying,

886
00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:33,000
Speaker 1: why are we sitting here?

887
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:34,480
Speaker 2: Like in this outdoor thing?

888
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:38,319
Speaker 3: So much publicity, it was like a hole. That's when

889
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:41,200
Speaker 3: I saw what a publicity machine was. And again, because

890
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:43,160
Speaker 3: we were on the fumes of nine to two one oh,

891
00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:45,200
Speaker 3: that had so much hope. So they were hoping it

892
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:47,279
Speaker 3: was going to be the same kind of impact, just

893
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:50,960
Speaker 3: young adults and not teenagers, which they were. And so

894
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:55,000
Speaker 3: during the course of the show, then they started finding it.

895
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:58,160
Speaker 3: What's what's it gonna be? Then it was like, let's

896
00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:01,959
Speaker 3: bring in the ringer, Let's in Neather, Heather to save

897
00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:03,120
Speaker 3: the day.

898
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:05,560
Speaker 1: That was when it was falling apart. So did you

899
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:07,640
Speaker 1: do all the episodes in the first season. I did,

900
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:10,480
Speaker 1: so it was like thirty thirty, so you remember Heather

901
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:11,000
Speaker 1: coming on.

902
00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:16,360
Speaker 3: Indeed, I remember I remember Billy getting recast. That was

903
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:19,360
Speaker 3: another like, yes.

904
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:22,960
Speaker 2: The other guy shot a week, shot shot a day,

905
00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:26,920
Speaker 2: not a day, not a day, shot a day.

906
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:29,560
Speaker 3: But wasn't. But I feel like they were all these

907
00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:30,279
Speaker 3: things leading up.

908
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:32,520
Speaker 2: We did a ton of press with him. We did

909
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:35,920
Speaker 2: press guy, this guy.

910
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:38,160
Speaker 1: Just when everybody was together. It just didn't that I

911
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:41,000
Speaker 1: ended up working with him later so he did what's

912
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:42,799
Speaker 1: his name again, Stephen Fan Steve.

913
00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:46,000
Speaker 2: Really good actor. It's just such a time.

914
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:49,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, such a marvelous actor. And yeah, so I thought

915
00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:52,080
Speaker 3: we were working because we were We had so much

916
00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:54,120
Speaker 3: publicity to do before the show, so it was just

917
00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:54,759
Speaker 3: the one day.

918
00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:58,359
Speaker 1: I remember it as being one day, and we kept

919
00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:00,960
Speaker 1: redoing the scene and redoing the scene and redoing the scene,

920
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:04,000
Speaker 1: and then they just said it wasn't like whatever they were.

921
00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:06,200
Speaker 2: They were watching us so carefully because of the press.

922
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:08,919
Speaker 1: I think there hadn't been so much attention on would

923
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:11,480
Speaker 1: have gotten more legs because he was great.

924
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:12,920
Speaker 3: It was wonderful.

925
00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:15,480
Speaker 1: But then I think Aaron had an idea and then

926
00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:18,680
Speaker 1: brought this energy in with Andrew, which also worked really

927
00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:21,120
Speaker 1: well obviously, But I think it was he was a

928
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:24,520
Speaker 1: victim of the intensity of the pressure we were all under.

929
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:27,040
Speaker 3: Yeah. I think, like anything, they were trying to find

930
00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:28,799
Speaker 3: what the show was. They had an idea of what

931
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:31,400
Speaker 3: the show is, and then and then they're shooting the show.

932
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:33,279
Speaker 3: It's like what you write, what you shoot, and then

933
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:35,000
Speaker 3: what you got, you know, So it was like like

934
00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:38,960
Speaker 3: them figuring out that. But I just remember those these

935
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:42,239
Speaker 3: were shocking, like, Okay, you could just lose it, okay,

936
00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:46,440
Speaker 3: you know, for your own like not bad acting or anything.

937
00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:48,000
Speaker 2: It's like they're creating.

938
00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:49,520
Speaker 3: A whole piece.

939
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:52,759
Speaker 2: Yeah with that, you're just a piece of it, you know.

940
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:55,759
Speaker 2: I over the years and all the rejection that comes

941
00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:58,560
Speaker 2: with it, I remember calling my mom or talking to

942
00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:01,960
Speaker 2: her and crying about something much later, about something I

943
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:03,960
Speaker 2: didn't get, and she just said, you know, Daphn, you

944
00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:06,799
Speaker 2: try to think of it as a painting, and you're

945
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:10,440
Speaker 2: you're a color. You're a color rose. But they needed

946
00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:14,479
Speaker 2: rose matter, they needed rose, you know, they needed they

947
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:19,480
Speaker 2: wanted the visuals. The visionaries wanted just something slightly different

948
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:22,520
Speaker 2: from your rose color. So they just want something different,

949
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:26,640
Speaker 2: and we all actors are literally just that's a hard

950
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:27,680
Speaker 2: you're a victim to that.

951
00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:30,120
Speaker 1: They could come and go, well yeah, because the second

952
00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:31,839
Speaker 1: you start working on the script, you're like, oh, yeah,

953
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:35,480
Speaker 1: this is me exactly to immediately see yourself as it

954
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:36,839
Speaker 1: and you're well, of course it was me, and they

955
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:38,120
Speaker 1: have a completely different idea.

956
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:40,520
Speaker 3: And even when you're watching something and be like I could.

957
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:47,719
Speaker 2: Do that, yeah right, well that yeah, all actors think exactly, yeah, yeah, total.

958
00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:48,400
Speaker 3: Color that you know.

959
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:53,600
Speaker 2: Yeah you so Vanessa, do you know again, looking back

960
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:56,319
Speaker 2: thirty years later, with the lens of being in twenty

961
00:45:56,360 --> 00:46:00,480
Speaker 2: twenty four, I mean, I just want to ask, Obviously,

962
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:02,880
Speaker 2: no black writers in the room back then, no people

963
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:07,080
Speaker 2: of color pretty much shit anywhere, and you know, making

964
00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:09,480
Speaker 2: the rules and calling the shots and writing the stories

965
00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:13,600
Speaker 2: and stuff. Do you feel for your career as an

966
00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:16,640
Speaker 2: actress that it has changed? And where are we now?

967
00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:20,080
Speaker 3: Oh? Yes, certainly, And even on Meloe's place. I mean,

968
00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:23,040
Speaker 3: it wasn't like the show was in a vacuum, even

969
00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:26,279
Speaker 3: though I didn't watch it after I was dismissed. And

970
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:29,359
Speaker 3: I'll tell you about that later, but there were Yeah,

971
00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:31,440
Speaker 3: as my guy came on, and you know the people

972
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:35,360
Speaker 3: that populated Allison's office, you know, the real world, there

973
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:40,359
Speaker 3: were occasional black actor occasional occasional. But I took note

974
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:43,160
Speaker 3: of it, of course, because I had been fired and

975
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:46,680
Speaker 3: so I or let go, you know, and that that

976
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:50,520
Speaker 3: was traumatic. I gotta tell you, like, it's my first series,

977
00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:53,200
Speaker 3: and I'm like in LA and it's my second job,

978
00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:56,480
Speaker 3: my first series. I'm like, I'm on my trajectory. It

979
00:46:56,520 --> 00:46:58,480
Speaker 3: was a really good lesson for me. So I had

980
00:46:58,520 --> 00:47:01,080
Speaker 3: done the I had done all thirty episodes, and I

981
00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:05,080
Speaker 3: worked the last day of the last show for the

982
00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:07,480
Speaker 3: season and then I get a call from Chuck and

983
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:10,440
Speaker 3: actually because my my my ex husband was my manager

984
00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:13,719
Speaker 3: at the time, and so Chuck Charles Pratt called him

985
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:17,360
Speaker 3: to say, yeah, it's not going on, and I was yeah,

986
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:20,680
Speaker 3: he was one of my Yeah, he's a writer, executive producer.

987
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:23,640
Speaker 3: So he gets the call and he's like grave and

988
00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:25,120
Speaker 3: he's not da da And he gets off the phone.

989
00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:29,840
Speaker 3: He says, Vanessa, they're they're letting you go. I was like, huh.

990
00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:31,600
Speaker 3: And I had already been to Spelling's house. We had

991
00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:33,480
Speaker 3: already had champagne that we got picked up for the

992
00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:35,919
Speaker 3: second season and all that stuff, and I was like what.

993
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:39,279
Speaker 3: He was like, yeah, no, they're not You're not going

994
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:40,400
Speaker 3: to be in the next season.

995
00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:42,759
Speaker 2: I was devastated.

996
00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:46,440
Speaker 3: Oh, I mean like devastated because there was no indication.

997
00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:48,520
Speaker 3: It wasn't like, oh, you're not getting the fan mail,

998
00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:50,200
Speaker 3: and it was like am I and you So you

999
00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:52,880
Speaker 3: start thinking, oh, was I horrible to work with? Was

1000
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:54,799
Speaker 3: my acting that I could, you know, just all of

1001
00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:57,600
Speaker 3: the things. And then it took me into like a

1002
00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:02,440
Speaker 3: very like let me go into like a spiritual let

1003
00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:05,239
Speaker 3: me go to. What I know is like, this is

1004
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:08,600
Speaker 3: not whether I'm working or not is not the value

1005
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:11,080
Speaker 3: of who I am, who I am as an artist,

1006
00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:13,240
Speaker 3: and and I got really clear. I went to agape,

1007
00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:16,520
Speaker 3: I got involved into taking classes. I just went deeply

1008
00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:19,239
Speaker 3: into my spiritual roots. You know, I was raised Baptist,

1009
00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:21,400
Speaker 3: but you know I was doing the New Thought, you know,

1010
00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:27,560
Speaker 3: kind of practical mysticism and practical spiritual just basically a

1011
00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:30,959
Speaker 3: way to make God real and part of my everyday life,

1012
00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:33,680
Speaker 3: not just something I did on Sunday or whatever. God

1013
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:35,680
Speaker 3: is love and God is you, and you are an

1014
00:48:35,719 --> 00:48:38,360
Speaker 3: expression of God's love. And so all of that resonated

1015
00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:40,760
Speaker 3: so wonderfully for me. So I was happy to find

1016
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:43,880
Speaker 3: like a spiritual home at a GOPE with Reverend Michael

1017
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:46,480
Speaker 3: and all the teachings there. And so as I said,

1018
00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:49,120
Speaker 3: I went, I took classes because I was so hurt.

1019
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:51,360
Speaker 3: I was so so hurt. I mean, so much of

1020
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:55,759
Speaker 3: your value, you know you. So what I came to

1021
00:48:56,600 --> 00:48:59,319
Speaker 3: was that, oh, if I let whether I'm working or

1022
00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:02,319
Speaker 3: not be the measure of how good I am as

1023
00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:05,759
Speaker 3: an actor, then I'll always be at the mercy of

1024
00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:09,080
Speaker 3: this business of someone else. I said, I'm still that

1025
00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:12,280
Speaker 3: fine actor who booked that job and booked the jobs before,

1026
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:15,080
Speaker 3: whether I'm working or not. So it was a very

1027
00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:19,960
Speaker 3: painful but very purposeful lesson to take going forward. And

1028
00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:22,799
Speaker 3: then regards I booked, other things happen. So I went on,

1029
00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:26,440
Speaker 3: but it was really it was so it was it

1030
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:28,319
Speaker 3: was I felt like a bait and switch kind of thing.

1031
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:30,000
Speaker 3: And again I was like, well, if I had known

1032
00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:32,440
Speaker 3: I wasn't coming back, because the other thing about not

1033
00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:35,439
Speaker 3: know being known, not knowing that I was coming back

1034
00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:39,080
Speaker 3: was I could have auditioned for other shows living. I

1035
00:49:39,120 --> 00:49:41,759
Speaker 3: could have gotten an on Living Single. I could There

1036
00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:43,399
Speaker 3: was like a bunch of shows. I mean I taught.

1037
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:46,560
Speaker 3: I think, you know, there would have been opportunities. I

1038
00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:50,120
Speaker 3: wouldn't have been like sitting out the whole next season

1039
00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:52,919
Speaker 3: because I would have had my next show. But what that,

1040
00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:55,680
Speaker 3: what that gave me opportunity to do was go to Spain,

1041
00:49:56,280 --> 00:49:59,359
Speaker 3: go to Europe and be the face of Melrose Place

1042
00:49:59,520 --> 00:50:02,200
Speaker 3: in your So then I got a show in Spain

1043
00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:05,120
Speaker 3: on Tellasinco, and I had like all these people like

1044
00:50:05,239 --> 00:50:08,440
Speaker 3: mobbing my car because Melwoy's Place was playing in all

1045
00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:11,000
Speaker 3: these places. And so you guys go on to set

1046
00:50:11,080 --> 00:50:13,360
Speaker 3: working and I was getting all the love and kudos,

1047
00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:17,600
Speaker 3: and from that appearance in Madrid, Teleasinkle offered me a

1048
00:50:17,719 --> 00:50:22,680
Speaker 3: variety show, So now, of course I did. I did

1049
00:50:22,680 --> 00:50:26,200
Speaker 3: a show called Vivanos Novios grand Fiesta. I was in

1050
00:50:26,239 --> 00:50:31,960
Speaker 3: Spain for four months, getting tutored in Spanish, speaking in Spanish,

1051
00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:36,000
Speaker 3: singing Gloria Stefan's shows. I'm like a whole lola Forlana.

1052
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:41,680
Speaker 3: Yea variety show thing. It was amazing, That's incredible, amazing.

1053
00:50:41,719 --> 00:50:43,600
Speaker 2: I've done a show in Spain. I was a guest

1054
00:50:43,640 --> 00:50:46,799
Speaker 2: on one of those. I know what you mean, like literally.

1055
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:48,520
Speaker 3: Like you know, in terms of like what the format

1056
00:50:48,560 --> 00:50:51,120
Speaker 3: of these shows, but I was I would I did

1057
00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:52,680
Speaker 3: like full on production numbers.

1058
00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:53,240
Speaker 2: Wow.

1059
00:50:53,480 --> 00:50:55,880
Speaker 3: It's just the best thing ever, isn't it amazing?

1060
00:50:57,120 --> 00:50:59,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, just hearing your story about this first time I've

1061
00:50:59,600 --> 00:51:01,839
Speaker 2: heard all this, and I think we've all had that

1062
00:51:01,960 --> 00:51:04,520
Speaker 2: in our careers at times where you just you know,

1063
00:51:04,560 --> 00:51:07,279
Speaker 2: have gotten let go or something isn't working out and

1064
00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:09,000
Speaker 2: you have to go deeper and you have to find

1065
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:13,400
Speaker 2: yourself worth and your value because even if you you're

1066
00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:16,960
Speaker 2: constantly being rejected, and I remember it being My story

1067
00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:21,919
Speaker 2: came later about this, but just thinking it's over falling.

1068
00:51:21,640 --> 00:51:24,640
Speaker 3: To day I ever work again, And also like who.

1069
00:51:24,520 --> 00:51:25,160
Speaker 2: Am I do?

1070
00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:26,279
Speaker 3: Is my my child?

1071
00:51:26,320 --> 00:51:28,160
Speaker 2: Because you have done this your whole life since you

1072
00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:30,360
Speaker 2: were child, and your dreams, and you just think is

1073
00:51:30,360 --> 00:51:31,840
Speaker 2: your child dream over?

1074
00:51:32,080 --> 00:51:33,000
Speaker 3: Is that it?

1075
00:51:33,080 --> 00:51:36,960
Speaker 2: They are discarding you, And kudos for you for freaking

1076
00:51:37,040 --> 00:51:41,760
Speaker 2: going deeper and finding that spiritual anchor and the truer truth,

1077
00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:46,040
Speaker 2: the bigger truth of you. And then you find there's infinite,

1078
00:51:46,080 --> 00:51:47,440
Speaker 2: There's more infinite.

1079
00:51:47,640 --> 00:51:51,360
Speaker 3: You are so much more than that. Bronda's Deep, Puck

1080
00:51:51,640 --> 00:51:54,480
Speaker 3: and Wayne Dyer and all of these truth teachers that

1081
00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:57,160
Speaker 3: I was able to find as a result. I mean,

1082
00:51:57,160 --> 00:51:59,320
Speaker 3: I think I would have found them anyway because I was.

1083
00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:02,239
Speaker 3: I'm a seekert. We're all, you know, trying to you know,

1084
00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:04,920
Speaker 3: balance that and I and I thank my my my

1085
00:52:05,080 --> 00:52:07,440
Speaker 3: religious roots, my Baptist church, you know, going to church

1086
00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:09,880
Speaker 3: every Sunday. My grandmother was the was the organist. So

1087
00:52:10,040 --> 00:52:12,520
Speaker 3: I have all that. So I had a spiritual practice

1088
00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:15,440
Speaker 3: and then I sharpened it and tuned it to make

1089
00:52:15,520 --> 00:52:18,680
Speaker 3: sense for my life, you know, I tailored it to

1090
00:52:19,120 --> 00:52:21,360
Speaker 3: you know, Okay, I want this part of it, not

1091
00:52:21,520 --> 00:52:23,400
Speaker 3: that part of it. I want the love message. I

1092
00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:25,520
Speaker 3: want like I want to live as Jesus, you know,

1093
00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:27,919
Speaker 3: I want to do I want to know that I'm

1094
00:52:29,040 --> 00:52:31,680
Speaker 3: you know that he came as an example of how

1095
00:52:31,719 --> 00:52:34,000
Speaker 3: you can live in peace and be kind to you know,

1096
00:52:34,320 --> 00:52:38,040
Speaker 3: your your your community and your world and make a difference.

1097
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:42,080
Speaker 3: So it was a yeah, it was a it's like,

1098
00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:44,759
Speaker 3: how are you going to survive this Hollywood thing, this

1099
00:52:45,080 --> 00:52:49,040
Speaker 3: monster if you don't have something deeper and richer to

1100
00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:52,120
Speaker 3: anchor you and hold you because most of it is no,

1101
00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:55,640
Speaker 3: most of our lives as actors is no. And it's

1102
00:52:55,719 --> 00:52:57,319
Speaker 3: only a like it's like.

1103
00:52:57,440 --> 00:53:00,239
Speaker 2: You are bigger than this than this job that you

1104
00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:03,279
Speaker 2: came in to do and A and B. Most people

1105
00:53:03,880 --> 00:53:06,719
Speaker 2: they quit before they even had a chance, but we

1106
00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:09,440
Speaker 2: have all you know, you did that and you kept

1107
00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:11,759
Speaker 2: going and kept going, and it's like you were meant

1108
00:53:11,800 --> 00:53:13,239
Speaker 2: to do this. Well that was the thing.

1109
00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:13,600
Speaker 1: It was like.

1110
00:53:13,680 --> 00:53:16,160
Speaker 3: It was also like a calling, right, So it's like

1111
00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:20,400
Speaker 3: it's not like I could really quit and be happy

1112
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:23,840
Speaker 3: like this was what my calling is? My service? You know,

1113
00:53:24,080 --> 00:53:27,640
Speaker 3: like when when you know that you would do it

1114
00:53:27,800 --> 00:53:29,800
Speaker 3: and have done it, whether they were paying you or not,

1115
00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:32,839
Speaker 3: you it's like, oh, and that's when I would talk

1116
00:53:32,840 --> 00:53:34,160
Speaker 3: to people. It was like, well, find the thing that

1117
00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:36,719
Speaker 3: really you love that you would do whether we're paying

1118
00:53:36,760 --> 00:53:40,640
Speaker 3: you or not, because then that's your passion. So yeah,

1119
00:53:40,680 --> 00:53:42,200
Speaker 3: I mean it was, it was. It was a good time.

1120
00:53:42,239 --> 00:53:44,520
Speaker 3: But oh girl, but it got me ready for hell.

1121
00:53:44,640 --> 00:53:47,359
Speaker 3: Welcome to Hollywood, like for real, for real, Like they'll

1122
00:53:47,440 --> 00:53:49,800
Speaker 3: roll out the red carpet for you and they'll snatch

1123
00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:51,759
Speaker 3: that in a litter.

1124
00:53:55,120 --> 00:53:58,800
Speaker 6: A lot of fans were so excited that you're a podcast.

1125
00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:00,680
Speaker 6: I mean there's you know, you've got a ton of

1126
00:54:00,719 --> 00:54:02,719
Speaker 6: fans for Melrose. Do you feel that in your life,

1127
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:04,600
Speaker 6: like you still have people like, oh I.

1128
00:54:04,640 --> 00:54:10,480
Speaker 3: Love your Melrose. Melrose brought me into a wider America, right,

1129
00:54:10,600 --> 00:54:12,440
Speaker 3: so like like my fans are from like so so

1130
00:54:12,560 --> 00:54:14,840
Speaker 3: when people recognize me in airport, I don't know what

1131
00:54:14,920 --> 00:54:19,080
Speaker 3: they're what they're linked in too. You know, certainly people

1132
00:54:19,080 --> 00:54:21,960
Speaker 3: of a certain age well like Melrose and being and

1133
00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:26,440
Speaker 3: being that representation on Melrose Place was also very crucial

1134
00:54:26,480 --> 00:54:29,000
Speaker 3: and very very marvelous. I know, lots of black people said,

1135
00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:31,040
Speaker 3: I start watching it when you left, I started watching it,

1136
00:54:31,160 --> 00:54:33,279
Speaker 3: so you you know you left a whole It was

1137
00:54:33,320 --> 00:54:36,800
Speaker 3: a whole connection. Yeah, yeah, so a whole swath of

1138
00:54:36,840 --> 00:54:39,479
Speaker 3: the audience was left, you know, but you went.

1139
00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:41,879
Speaker 2: On to do I'm just I went on and looked

1140
00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:44,919
Speaker 2: Murder One. You did several episodes Chicago Hope, of course,

1141
00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:45,439
Speaker 2: Soul Food.

1142
00:54:45,480 --> 00:54:48,840
Speaker 3: I was a series regular Murder one. Yeah, and that

1143
00:54:49,120 --> 00:54:51,200
Speaker 3: was like a very I talked about that being I

1144
00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:55,840
Speaker 3: was really a very high, very highly paid extra because

1145
00:54:56,520 --> 00:55:00,680
Speaker 3: while I okay, so the the oh J trial was

1146
00:55:00,719 --> 00:55:02,719
Speaker 3: going on, so we were doing the first sort of

1147
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:04,960
Speaker 3: like well maybe not the first, but like a court

1148
00:55:05,600 --> 00:55:10,080
Speaker 3: trial like law office kind of show, and then the

1149
00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:14,360
Speaker 3: real life crime you know, court show of a century

1150
00:55:14,760 --> 00:55:18,239
Speaker 3: took over the airway be televised. So then our little

1151
00:55:18,320 --> 00:55:21,080
Speaker 3: murder show, you know, people were like, yeah, okay, whatever, Boddy,

1152
00:55:21,320 --> 00:55:24,000
Speaker 3: let's really see what's going on. And this is on

1153
00:55:24,160 --> 00:55:29,080
Speaker 3: the heels of the Rodney King thing, right, So right,

1154
00:55:29,400 --> 00:55:33,719
Speaker 3: so it's volatile times and LA's smoking, you know, and

1155
00:55:34,680 --> 00:55:38,520
Speaker 3: and and and and because you know, the community felt

1156
00:55:38,640 --> 00:55:41,560
Speaker 3: the way it did about how those officers got, you know, free,

1157
00:55:42,160 --> 00:55:45,440
Speaker 3: when when that verdict came, even though there was questionable,

1158
00:55:45,600 --> 00:55:47,640
Speaker 3: we said, this is American law. This is what if

1159
00:55:47,680 --> 00:55:49,759
Speaker 3: you have enough money, you can get off. And so

1160
00:55:49,960 --> 00:55:52,440
Speaker 3: this man is going to you know, I mean all

1161
00:55:52,480 --> 00:55:55,919
Speaker 3: of us knew, you know, they look very mean. Yes,

1162
00:55:56,600 --> 00:55:59,160
Speaker 3: you know, so none of no one was convinced, but

1163
00:55:59,239 --> 00:56:01,360
Speaker 3: we were like, this is how all goes down. This

1164
00:56:01,520 --> 00:56:03,520
Speaker 3: is how it went down. You know, these those white

1165
00:56:03,520 --> 00:56:08,040
Speaker 3: guys got to off can afforded, don't Yeah, exactly, you know,

1166
00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:11,880
Speaker 3: American justice has a has a price stag and and

1167
00:56:12,040 --> 00:56:15,720
Speaker 3: certainly a color, but it definitely it can be bought.

1168
00:56:16,040 --> 00:56:16,200
Speaker 7: Right.

1169
00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:19,040
Speaker 2: So, and you were on Murder one.

1170
00:56:19,320 --> 00:56:28,120
Speaker 3: I'm a Murder one track girl one exactly, Well, what

1171
00:56:28,280 --> 00:56:33,080
Speaker 3: was that this podcast? Why do you think we need

1172
00:56:33,360 --> 00:56:37,680
Speaker 3: exactly to my own my own cheat notes. But so,

1173
00:56:38,120 --> 00:56:40,760
Speaker 3: so I had an episode of a little breakout episode

1174
00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:44,720
Speaker 3: on Murder one, and you know, my boyfriend got arrested,

1175
00:56:44,840 --> 00:56:46,800
Speaker 3: and then I went to my bosses and so it

1176
00:56:46,920 --> 00:56:49,360
Speaker 3: was really really great. And then they got into the

1177
00:56:49,920 --> 00:56:55,279
Speaker 3: show the anchoring, the anchoring storyline, and it didn't really

1178
00:56:55,360 --> 00:56:58,920
Speaker 3: include or they didn't really include Ron disppointed. I mean, Ronda,

1179
00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:01,319
Speaker 3: what was my character? And that my character's point of view?

1180
00:57:01,640 --> 00:57:03,719
Speaker 3: So I was just answering the phone, and I'd I'd

1181
00:57:03,760 --> 00:57:06,400
Speaker 3: be chilling in my dressing room on that Fox a lot.

1182
00:57:06,400 --> 00:57:08,239
Speaker 3: I'd be like Okay, yeah, I want to pay me

1183
00:57:08,320 --> 00:57:11,759
Speaker 3: this series of regular money. I'm here for it. And

1184
00:57:12,680 --> 00:57:15,200
Speaker 3: so but it was it was still wonderful. I was

1185
00:57:15,320 --> 00:57:17,800
Speaker 3: on the set, I was watching what the directors do

1186
00:57:17,960 --> 00:57:19,720
Speaker 3: and you know, lighting and all that stuff. So it

1187
00:57:19,840 --> 00:57:21,640
Speaker 3: was it was a great education and it was wonderful.

1188
00:57:21,800 --> 00:57:24,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, and not lasted a better none of you. Yeah,

1189
00:57:24,080 --> 00:57:26,360
Speaker 2: that soul Food, So how is it to be on

1190
00:57:26,440 --> 00:57:28,520
Speaker 2: soul Food after all of these other being sort of

1191
00:57:28,600 --> 00:57:30,760
Speaker 2: minimalized on the whole food.

1192
00:57:30,640 --> 00:57:33,640
Speaker 3: Was a mecca. So the only you know, I wish

1193
00:57:33,680 --> 00:57:35,840
Speaker 3: it were different that we were shooting in La but

1194
00:57:35,960 --> 00:57:38,200
Speaker 3: I think that would have turned that would have I

1195
00:57:38,280 --> 00:57:40,800
Speaker 3: don't know if we would have bonded the same way

1196
00:57:41,160 --> 00:57:44,880
Speaker 3: because sort of like being at away camp and forging

1197
00:57:44,960 --> 00:57:48,480
Speaker 3: friendships and being and the show was so big and

1198
00:57:48,800 --> 00:57:50,880
Speaker 3: we didn't really know because we're tucked away in Canada

1199
00:57:50,920 --> 00:57:53,680
Speaker 3: and Toronto shooting it. So we had no idea that

1200
00:57:53,880 --> 00:57:55,920
Speaker 3: I mean, we had an idea because Melinda Williams was

1201
00:57:55,920 --> 00:57:59,919
Speaker 3: telling us, listen, this is about to be thing. You know, listen, listen,

1202
00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:02,000
Speaker 3: people gonna be making babies like all this. He predicted

1203
00:58:02,040 --> 00:58:05,080
Speaker 3: all of it, but we it might have been more

1204
00:58:05,160 --> 00:58:09,800
Speaker 3: distracting being in La with everyone's life and their connections.

1205
00:58:10,320 --> 00:58:13,800
Speaker 3: You know, coming in we've had you know access, We

1206
00:58:13,880 --> 00:58:16,120
Speaker 3: had lots of wonderful guest stars, but we've had more.

1207
00:58:16,440 --> 00:58:21,800
Speaker 3: The casting extras was sometimes difficult. We're doing it because

1208
00:58:22,120 --> 00:58:25,320
Speaker 3: Canada is really a different country and so some of

1209
00:58:25,480 --> 00:58:29,439
Speaker 3: the cultural differences. You know, Canada, the African American people

1210
00:58:29,480 --> 00:58:32,520
Speaker 3: there are from the Caribbean, and so, you know, I

1211
00:58:32,640 --> 00:58:36,120
Speaker 3: remember the director having to like teach these people, teach

1212
00:58:36,200 --> 00:58:38,520
Speaker 3: the guy who was the was hired to be the

1213
00:58:38,600 --> 00:58:40,840
Speaker 3: pastor how to lay his hand on somebody. You know,

1214
00:58:40,920 --> 00:58:44,400
Speaker 3: these things that are like part of the culture of

1215
00:58:45,000 --> 00:58:48,200
Speaker 3: the African American church in the States. It was different

1216
00:58:48,680 --> 00:58:51,080
Speaker 3: in at least this actor. You know, maybe I won't

1217
00:58:51,080 --> 00:58:54,280
Speaker 3: put it all on you know, but this particular but

1218
00:58:54,400 --> 00:58:56,360
Speaker 3: we had that like lots of times with the extras.

1219
00:58:57,560 --> 00:58:59,160
Speaker 3: I mean, they were wonderful. It was a wonderful pool

1220
00:58:59,160 --> 00:59:02,040
Speaker 3: of actors, but they weren't as well trained because there

1221
00:59:02,120 --> 00:59:04,440
Speaker 3: wasn't a whole lot of things for black actors in

1222
00:59:04,520 --> 00:59:05,080
Speaker 3: Canada to do.

1223
00:59:05,200 --> 00:59:06,320
Speaker 2: Egather so different.

1224
00:59:06,360 --> 00:59:08,240
Speaker 3: Now, Yeah, it was like so all of the white

1225
00:59:08,280 --> 00:59:10,720
Speaker 3: actors had like lots of training and lots of opportunities.

1226
00:59:10,760 --> 00:59:15,040
Speaker 3: But lots of the African American actors that we weren't

1227
00:59:15,160 --> 00:59:18,360
Speaker 3: you know, flying in from LA and other places. You know,

1228
00:59:18,560 --> 00:59:20,439
Speaker 3: this was their first job or you know, they didn't

1229
00:59:20,480 --> 00:59:23,200
Speaker 3: have a lot of training or a lot of time

1230
00:59:23,280 --> 00:59:27,920
Speaker 3: on set. So yeah, it was, it was. It was marvelous,

1231
00:59:28,280 --> 00:59:30,320
Speaker 3: you know. And again like you make a family and

1232
00:59:30,400 --> 00:59:32,840
Speaker 3: your your your cast is your family. And so those

1233
00:59:32,840 --> 00:59:36,600
Speaker 3: are my sisters for life. And the showrunner who like

1234
00:59:36,720 --> 00:59:39,880
Speaker 3: the show writing was like got used. It was. It

1235
00:59:40,000 --> 00:59:42,600
Speaker 3: was everything. There was nothing that needed to be explained.

1236
00:59:42,880 --> 00:59:44,600
Speaker 3: I didn't have to come in and make a case

1237
00:59:44,680 --> 00:59:47,040
Speaker 3: for it. Listen, I can't say those people, you know,

1238
00:59:47,240 --> 00:59:50,320
Speaker 3: like it was, things were understood and and we were

1239
00:59:50,400 --> 00:59:55,120
Speaker 3: all so really trying to humanize the African American experience

1240
00:59:55,320 --> 00:59:58,080
Speaker 3: on screen, like we we came in our curls, we

1241
00:59:58,400 --> 01:00:00,400
Speaker 3: went to bed with our night capsle you like all

1242
01:00:00,440 --> 01:00:03,720
Speaker 3: these things that we wanted to like humanize the gamut

1243
01:00:03,800 --> 01:00:05,800
Speaker 3: of emotion. And yes, in one family, you could have

1244
01:00:05,880 --> 01:00:08,720
Speaker 3: somebody who was having some criminal element done of stuff

1245
01:00:08,760 --> 01:00:11,400
Speaker 3: they're going through and an attorney at a top firm,

1246
01:00:11,800 --> 01:00:15,040
Speaker 3: like the whole gamut of what is the African American

1247
01:00:15,120 --> 01:00:18,080
Speaker 3: experience in this one family, and again we were on

1248
01:00:18,200 --> 01:00:20,840
Speaker 3: the heels of the popularity and the great success that

1249
01:00:20,920 --> 01:00:24,320
Speaker 3: the movie was, and so then that was, you know, amazing.

1250
01:00:24,400 --> 01:00:26,240
Speaker 3: We were stepping into the shoes. So again a lot

1251
01:00:26,280 --> 01:00:29,240
Speaker 3: of like pressure at the beginning right where you're there's

1252
01:00:29,360 --> 01:00:32,440
Speaker 3: already an ip as it's called today, Right, there's already

1253
01:00:32,480 --> 01:00:36,480
Speaker 3: the ip. You're stepping into the shoes of other wonderful

1254
01:00:36,520 --> 01:00:40,640
Speaker 3: actors who had made this show. But when we would

1255
01:00:40,640 --> 01:00:43,880
Speaker 3: get questioned and interviews and stuff like that, well, why

1256
01:00:43,920 --> 01:00:46,800
Speaker 3: do you feel stepping into Vivica A. Fox's role? And

1257
01:00:46,920 --> 01:00:48,640
Speaker 3: I was like, you know, it's like a great song.

1258
01:00:48,800 --> 01:00:50,600
Speaker 3: We want to hear Billy sing it. We want to

1259
01:00:50,640 --> 01:00:53,960
Speaker 3: hear Dinah Washington sing it. It's like when you've got

1260
01:00:54,040 --> 01:00:57,360
Speaker 3: like a great character and a great story, it's just

1261
01:00:57,480 --> 01:00:59,440
Speaker 3: going to be another take on a wonderful thing, and

1262
01:00:59,480 --> 01:01:02,200
Speaker 3: you're going to see what you're going to see. And

1263
01:01:02,280 --> 01:01:05,280
Speaker 3: then we as as the series actors, got to really

1264
01:01:05,480 --> 01:01:09,760
Speaker 3: expand these roles that that those initial actors in the

1265
01:01:10,000 --> 01:01:13,480
Speaker 3: movie set up so wonderfully. So it was really great

1266
01:01:13,560 --> 01:01:17,360
Speaker 3: and as a as a training ground of how to

1267
01:01:17,480 --> 01:01:20,040
Speaker 3: be on set, how to like everything that they're souped

1268
01:01:20,040 --> 01:01:22,720
Speaker 3: and nuts. I got to direct. I wrote and directed

1269
01:01:22,760 --> 01:01:26,520
Speaker 3: a piece. Yeah not because they wouldn't let me direct

1270
01:01:26,520 --> 01:01:29,360
Speaker 3: an episode, which is a time on the tradition. So

1271
01:01:29,480 --> 01:01:31,680
Speaker 3: my agents go in like second season, it's like, okay,

1272
01:01:31,720 --> 01:01:33,680
Speaker 3: we'd like to have this, and they're like, well, you

1273
01:01:33,760 --> 01:01:38,080
Speaker 3: know whatever. But but the heads of the network was

1274
01:01:38,120 --> 01:01:40,480
Speaker 3: like Jerry Offset, he was like, yeah, I heard you

1275
01:01:40,520 --> 01:01:42,480
Speaker 3: guys wanted to direct and let me how about this?

1276
01:01:42,880 --> 01:01:44,960
Speaker 3: And so they gave us a budget and I got

1277
01:01:45,000 --> 01:01:49,600
Speaker 3: to direct an independent a thirty minute film and so

1278
01:01:49,800 --> 01:01:53,160
Speaker 3: out budget to do your own thing, and you wrote

1279
01:01:53,160 --> 01:01:56,520
Speaker 3: it and I wrote and directed it. Yes right now,

1280
01:01:56,840 --> 01:01:58,840
Speaker 3: Yeah I do, I do, I do, But I haven't

1281
01:01:58,880 --> 01:02:00,520
Speaker 3: directed in such a long time, you know.

1282
01:02:00,520 --> 01:02:00,840
Speaker 2: What I mean.

1283
01:02:00,920 --> 01:02:05,000
Speaker 3: But it was that was such a marvelous opportunity. It

1284
01:02:05,080 --> 01:02:07,600
Speaker 3: was like that that sort of doggedness, that resilience, like

1285
01:02:07,640 --> 01:02:10,200
Speaker 3: what I still want to direct. And it was like

1286
01:02:10,920 --> 01:02:14,240
Speaker 3: this because I think because they were not in Canada,

1287
01:02:14,760 --> 01:02:18,760
Speaker 3: they had an obligation to hire local hires in Canada,

1288
01:02:19,080 --> 01:02:21,959
Speaker 3: so that it was a tricky thing getting the cast

1289
01:02:22,080 --> 01:02:24,600
Speaker 3: to direct an episode, you know, which is which is

1290
01:02:24,640 --> 01:02:26,280
Speaker 3: a time of tradition. You get to direct episode of

1291
01:02:26,320 --> 01:02:30,240
Speaker 3: America because you're from the Yeah, they need to employ Canadians, right.

1292
01:02:30,360 --> 01:02:33,160
Speaker 3: That was part of like the buy into being able

1293
01:02:33,200 --> 01:02:35,240
Speaker 3: to shoot in Canada and get all of those write offs.

1294
01:02:35,240 --> 01:02:38,160
Speaker 3: And remember I think it was like an Ayatzi strike

1295
01:02:38,280 --> 01:02:41,120
Speaker 3: or something like that. So being in Canada, we had

1296
01:02:41,400 --> 01:02:44,400
Speaker 3: acts we could keep going. Yeah, it was yeah, you know,

1297
01:02:44,440 --> 01:02:45,680
Speaker 3: it was like some weird stuff going on.

1298
01:02:46,120 --> 01:02:49,040
Speaker 2: We have time for one question. There were so many

1299
01:02:49,160 --> 01:02:52,080
Speaker 2: great questions, fans so excited to have you here. But

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Speaker 2: like one of the really fantastic questions is what do

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Speaker 2: you think Ronda would be doing today? I got it.

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Speaker 3: She's running a wellness center called Body and Soul and

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Speaker 3: it's dancing and it's all massage and you know, all

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Speaker 3: the things wellness and health and diet and all you

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Speaker 3: know she's getting she's keeping, she's keeping it in the body.

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Speaker 3: But because her husband said her up, you know, with

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Speaker 3: the nice little package, did she marry Terrence, she's but

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Speaker 3: they're divorcing. There was wonder.

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Speaker 2: That sounds amazing. I want to go to body.

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Speaker 3: I know comes to Body and Soul. That just downloaded

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Speaker 3: from the angel that you know, I was looking at

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Speaker 3: the fan questions we asked most of them because there

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Speaker 3: we asked all those the.

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Speaker 2: Only one we actually didn't get to just questions of

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Speaker 2: one mind. That's great. I love I love envisioning Ronda

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Speaker 2: exactly where Vanessa.

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Speaker 1: And I love envisioning all of us there right exactly.

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Speaker 2: I mean, we could talk all day, But is there

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Speaker 2: anything else that you wanted to like say or you

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Speaker 2: remember from what I was going to say?

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Speaker 3: Just in terms. I was having a wonderful dinner catching

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Speaker 3: up with my other castmate, dear friend's sister friend, Melinda Williams,

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Speaker 3: and and she was talking about, you know this, this

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Speaker 3: impact that we have in the in the minds, in

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Speaker 3: the zeitgeist of American television, and and that these characters

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Speaker 3: live in the context, in context of their time and

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Speaker 3: in the context of our lives, and what a beautiful

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Speaker 3: like opportunity and honor we've had to like tell these

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Speaker 3: stories through these characters, and that this is all a

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Speaker 3: part of the context of who we are as artists.

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Speaker 3: So I thought that was like a really powerful way

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Speaker 3: to hold what we do as sacred. Is so easy

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Speaker 3: to be like, oh, what have you done for me lately?

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Speaker 3: Like what's your next thing? And all you know, all

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Speaker 3: those things and I I just feel like, you know what,

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Speaker 3: what we're doing, the stories we were able to tell,

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Speaker 3: what we get to do, this rarefied air to be

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Speaker 3: actors working as often, you know, to work at all

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Speaker 3: is a is a blessing, you know. So I feel

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Speaker 3: like I feel so grateful to have shared this space

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Speaker 3: and this time in our lives that was long ago

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Speaker 3: and yesterday, you know what I mean. It's just like

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Speaker 3: it goes by in a blink. And and I we

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Speaker 3: got like grown children who are married in and starting

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Speaker 3: all the things.

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Speaker 2: I love to give it real value beyond just what

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Speaker 2: the ratings did or whatever.

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Speaker 3: Or what it was just to do, like we mean

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Speaker 3: something to people. We're part of people's story, you know,

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Speaker 3: and part of people's life and nurtured their their beingness

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Speaker 3: and growing up and entertained and enlivened and enlightened you

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Speaker 3: know all the things.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, partly shift when that comes up for us a lot.

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Speaker 1: We shared that time. We were the same age as

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Speaker 1: the people watching it, so we have this shared memory

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Speaker 1: all of us. We have the experience of the show.

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Speaker 1: They watched the show, like we really share it with people.

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Speaker 1: It's a really special thing coming of age, right.

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Speaker 6: And It's such a great way to sort of wrap

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Speaker 6: this up book. We have loved being with you as

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Speaker 6: a as a person, and we shared this thing in

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Speaker 6: our past, but we're so happy to have you in

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Speaker 6: our presence.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we love We hope. I want to I do.

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Speaker 3: I want to come back.

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Speaker 2: Guys and you and everyone, We're getting there, and thank you, thank.

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Speaker 3: You for heaven. Thank you. I look forward to us all,

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Speaker 3: you know, being out together and meeting our fans again.

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Speaker 3: That would be really really.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they're so party. Or you can write us something

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Speaker 2: and we can all do something now another excuse to

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Speaker 2: sit down and.

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Speaker 3: Chay exactly all the things. So I was so thrilled

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Speaker 3: and excited to come. Thank you, thank you, thank you.

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Speaker 6: We'll see you next time too, and thanks again all

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Speaker 6: the for all the fan questions and all the listeners.

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Speaker 6: Keep keep subscribing and morning, well we'll see you next week.