1 00:00:11,800 --> 00:00:13,840 Speaker 1: All right, so let's talk about some stuff going on. Now, 2 00:00:14,200 --> 00:00:16,160 Speaker 1: let's talk about I want, first of all, to everyone. 3 00:00:16,520 --> 00:00:18,120 Speaker 1: N and I had a great time. And I've been 4 00:00:18,120 --> 00:00:20,400 Speaker 1: talking to her about doing something for so long. I 5 00:00:20,440 --> 00:00:23,040 Speaker 1: think you're just you just are a great speaker. I 6 00:00:23,079 --> 00:00:25,639 Speaker 1: just think you're wildly entertaining, as I've said, And so 7 00:00:25,720 --> 00:00:28,000 Speaker 1: I thought I was in la. I wanted her to 8 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:30,080 Speaker 1: come to this dinner, that we should sit down and 9 00:00:30,200 --> 00:00:32,560 Speaker 1: just talk and go over a bunch of things and 10 00:00:32,880 --> 00:00:36,760 Speaker 1: work together. Like I think, just our different perspectives is 11 00:00:36,800 --> 00:00:37,680 Speaker 1: something we've wanted to do. 12 00:00:37,720 --> 00:00:40,080 Speaker 2: So this is the easiest vehicle. So here we are. 13 00:00:40,120 --> 00:00:41,960 Speaker 1: So I appreciate you coming in, and I appreciate your 14 00:00:42,040 --> 00:00:46,600 Speaker 1: having me. So what do you think about the Jada 15 00:00:46,680 --> 00:00:50,720 Speaker 1: Pinkett will Smith thing? Not just the thing, but she's 16 00:00:50,760 --> 00:00:52,239 Speaker 1: coming out with that. She has a book now. She 17 00:00:52,280 --> 00:00:54,880 Speaker 1: sent me the book, signed it to me. You know 18 00:00:54,880 --> 00:00:56,640 Speaker 1: how you sort of know people in entertainment, but you 19 00:00:56,640 --> 00:00:58,240 Speaker 1: don't really know them like they know of you. 20 00:00:58,280 --> 00:00:59,240 Speaker 3: They know you. 21 00:00:59,480 --> 00:01:02,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, kind of thing, definitely, So she sent me a book. 22 00:01:02,320 --> 00:01:06,039 Speaker 1: And I've been on Red Table Talk and I had 23 00:01:06,040 --> 00:01:08,320 Speaker 1: a certain opinion. The night of the slap and the 24 00:01:08,720 --> 00:01:11,360 Speaker 1: weeks after, and then now she's come out and she's 25 00:01:11,360 --> 00:01:14,200 Speaker 1: speaking about it, saying that they've been separated, and she's 26 00:01:14,280 --> 00:01:17,000 Speaker 1: recanting the night, and it's obviously. 27 00:01:16,600 --> 00:01:18,640 Speaker 2: A great way to push a book. So she's doing 28 00:01:18,720 --> 00:01:19,120 Speaker 2: the tour. 29 00:01:19,319 --> 00:01:21,720 Speaker 1: What do you make of the original incident? And then 30 00:01:21,880 --> 00:01:22,920 Speaker 1: all that's happening. 31 00:01:22,720 --> 00:01:26,360 Speaker 3: The original incident meaning the slap. Yes, you know, like 32 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:30,160 Speaker 3: everyone else, I was watching that night, and I was shocked, 33 00:01:30,800 --> 00:01:34,120 Speaker 3: Probably like many people, I thought it was a skit 34 00:01:34,520 --> 00:01:37,399 Speaker 3: or something at first, and then when everybody on his 35 00:01:37,520 --> 00:01:42,360 Speaker 3: way back, everybody was looking like something happened, and you know, 36 00:01:42,400 --> 00:01:44,080 Speaker 3: but in the beginning, I thought it was just a 37 00:01:44,120 --> 00:01:48,280 Speaker 3: part of what they were doing. It was shocking. It 38 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:52,000 Speaker 3: felt like it was unlike his character to do something 39 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:55,920 Speaker 3: like that. But again, we did not know these people. 40 00:01:56,320 --> 00:01:58,840 Speaker 3: We are watching them from the outside, so we don't 41 00:01:58,880 --> 00:02:02,520 Speaker 3: know who they really are as people, and so I 42 00:02:02,640 --> 00:02:06,240 Speaker 3: just I just it was shocking. We are judged a 43 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:08,160 Speaker 3: whole lot harder than you guys. That's what I'm saying, 44 00:02:08,160 --> 00:02:14,040 Speaker 3: And that's just true. As in back to Kim Kardashian, 45 00:02:14,120 --> 00:02:17,480 Speaker 3: I think she rolled out her name got bigger from 46 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 3: a sex tape. When black girls have sex tape. They 47 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:27,720 Speaker 3: are crucified interesting and they are dragged like for Dear Life, 48 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:30,600 Speaker 3: and Kim was able to turn her sex tape and 49 00:02:30,840 --> 00:02:34,640 Speaker 3: tape into money. Black girls don't that. That's just not 50 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:37,239 Speaker 3: the same. We don't think judge this. We get judged 51 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:38,000 Speaker 3: very differently. 52 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:41,080 Speaker 2: Who's judging I mean the public. 53 00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:44,400 Speaker 3: I feel like the public, the public. 54 00:02:44,120 --> 00:02:45,960 Speaker 2: By and large, is it totally different standard? 55 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:48,400 Speaker 3: Yeah it is. I just feel like we're hell to 56 00:02:48,440 --> 00:02:49,320 Speaker 3: a different standard. 57 00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:52,040 Speaker 1: Yeah. I can't think of anybody who's gotten famous like that, 58 00:02:52,440 --> 00:02:55,000 Speaker 1: or other people in Hollywood that have had sex tapes. 59 00:02:55,280 --> 00:02:58,600 Speaker 3: It's almost like, I mean, I'm sure in some cases, 60 00:02:58,600 --> 00:03:05,680 Speaker 3: I'm sorry, I was just obot. It could almost be 61 00:03:05,720 --> 00:03:07,880 Speaker 3: like a white woman is drunk and everybody thinks that 62 00:03:07,919 --> 00:03:10,320 Speaker 3: it's you know, like she's drunk, get her in the car, 63 00:03:10,600 --> 00:03:12,519 Speaker 3: and a black girl is drunk, and I feel like 64 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:15,600 Speaker 3: they're looking like, look at this food over here, drunk. 65 00:03:15,720 --> 00:03:18,840 Speaker 3: Oh it's not cute, Yes it's yeah, It's just I 66 00:03:18,840 --> 00:03:21,760 Speaker 3: don't know that it's cute. No. I just think we're 67 00:03:21,840 --> 00:03:23,400 Speaker 3: just held to a different standard. 68 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:24,000 Speaker 2: Interesting. 69 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:27,320 Speaker 1: The sex tape, though, was an interesting discussion. That's funny, Okay, 70 00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:29,680 Speaker 1: So I wouldn't have thought of that. I mean, I 71 00:03:29,720 --> 00:03:31,600 Speaker 1: haven't thought of that. I'm trying to think of sex tapes. 72 00:03:32,880 --> 00:03:34,519 Speaker 3: Do you know a lot of them? I don't. 73 00:03:34,880 --> 00:03:35,360 Speaker 2: I don't. 74 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:37,320 Speaker 1: I didn't see any. I didn't see Pamela. I maybe 75 00:03:37,360 --> 00:03:38,320 Speaker 1: saw Pamela Tommy. 76 00:03:38,360 --> 00:03:38,600 Speaker 3: I don't know. 77 00:03:38,600 --> 00:03:40,240 Speaker 1: I always feel like I'm invading their privacy. 78 00:03:40,280 --> 00:03:42,520 Speaker 2: I haven't seen no, I have not. 79 00:03:43,120 --> 00:03:45,160 Speaker 3: I heard that Kim's was pretty good, though, I think 80 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:47,920 Speaker 3: really I think people like it. Yeah, well I've not 81 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:50,720 Speaker 3: seen it. You know, I don't usually like to watch 82 00:03:50,760 --> 00:03:51,520 Speaker 3: stuff like that. 83 00:03:51,720 --> 00:03:55,160 Speaker 1: But Kim's no more defined by a sex tape than 84 00:03:55,200 --> 00:03:57,280 Speaker 1: you are by the first day you said bloop, it 85 00:03:57,360 --> 00:03:59,640 Speaker 1: was fifteen years ago. Don't you feel like people are 86 00:03:59,680 --> 00:04:02,640 Speaker 1: still discussing who you were fifteen years ago today? 87 00:04:02,920 --> 00:04:03,800 Speaker 3: Do you think that they are? 88 00:04:03,920 --> 00:04:05,160 Speaker 2: Don't you think people still are? 89 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:08,200 Speaker 3: I do think that people still say things from years ago, 90 00:04:08,480 --> 00:04:10,920 Speaker 3: you know. I don't mean we're talking about New normally 91 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:13,000 Speaker 3: and Glee that was years ago. So I do think 92 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:16,760 Speaker 3: that people still kind of, you know, yeah, reflect back sometimes. Yeah, 93 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:22,800 Speaker 3: well we've all come so so far from ten fifteen 94 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:24,560 Speaker 3: years ago. We've come so far. 95 00:04:24,640 --> 00:04:26,520 Speaker 1: No, that's what I mean. If you said something fifteen 96 00:04:26,560 --> 00:04:28,159 Speaker 1: years ago. It's being thrown up to you now the 97 00:04:28,160 --> 00:04:31,200 Speaker 1: same way that people are saying that Kim's successful now 98 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:33,479 Speaker 1: because she had a sex tape. I think she's successful 99 00:04:33,480 --> 00:04:34,400 Speaker 1: now because. 100 00:04:34,360 --> 00:04:37,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, Well no, I don't think that's what they say. 101 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:41,800 Speaker 3: I think they say that she launched her career off 102 00:04:41,839 --> 00:04:43,400 Speaker 3: of the backs of a six. 103 00:04:43,880 --> 00:04:44,240 Speaker 2: They do. 104 00:04:44,360 --> 00:04:48,599 Speaker 3: But people now, I see in connstuse she's a businesswoman now. 105 00:04:48,960 --> 00:04:52,000 Speaker 1: Some but a lot of people, like snarky women, judgmental women, 106 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:53,440 Speaker 1: want to just make it like she wouldn't be where 107 00:04:53,480 --> 00:04:55,960 Speaker 1: she was, same thing as Bravo. She wouldn't be where 108 00:04:55,960 --> 00:04:57,400 Speaker 1: she was if she didn't have a sex tape, or 109 00:04:57,440 --> 00:04:59,600 Speaker 1: say to me, you would be nowhere without Bravo. 110 00:04:59,800 --> 00:05:00,560 Speaker 3: It's fifteen years. 111 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:01,760 Speaker 2: We've done a lot since then. 112 00:05:01,839 --> 00:05:04,000 Speaker 1: Yes, you know what I'm saying, you know, resting on 113 00:05:04,640 --> 00:05:19,400 Speaker 1: just that one thing. Okay, So about the Jada and 114 00:05:19,440 --> 00:05:22,159 Speaker 1: Will thing? Yes, what about now? What about her talking 115 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:23,839 Speaker 1: about it? What do you think about them being separated? 116 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:25,200 Speaker 1: What is your opinion of the whole topic. 117 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:28,880 Speaker 3: So I haven't followed every single thing, and I want 118 00:05:28,880 --> 00:05:32,040 Speaker 3: to say this, I am none biased. I don't know Jada, 119 00:05:32,480 --> 00:05:36,400 Speaker 3: I don't know Will. I don't watch the I didn't 120 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:41,279 Speaker 3: watch the Red Table Talk or anything. So when I 121 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:43,960 Speaker 3: look at the clips that I see, and I'm only 122 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:46,560 Speaker 3: getting a little bit of what Jada's talking about. I've 123 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:51,400 Speaker 3: not read her book. I feel like watching social media, 124 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:56,599 Speaker 3: everybody is pitying her as a villain. And I when 125 00:05:56,640 --> 00:05:59,279 Speaker 3: I hear the little things that she's saying, and I 126 00:05:59,400 --> 00:06:01,800 Speaker 3: look at her and I think about her being a woman, 127 00:06:02,520 --> 00:06:05,520 Speaker 3: and I'm a woman. It has nothing to do with color. 128 00:06:05,560 --> 00:06:09,240 Speaker 3: We are women, right, we all feel the same. I 129 00:06:09,320 --> 00:06:14,680 Speaker 3: look at her and I think she's right. And I'm 130 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:17,000 Speaker 3: not saying she's right because she's a woman. I'm saying 131 00:06:17,320 --> 00:06:23,040 Speaker 3: I feel like Will did something to her years ago 132 00:06:23,320 --> 00:06:28,640 Speaker 3: that changed their relationship, and she is like, I've been 133 00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:33,599 Speaker 3: sitting here all these years. I covered for you. I 134 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:41,840 Speaker 3: didn't say anything, and I'm gonna say some now it's 135 00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:45,920 Speaker 3: something he did. Now. People do not know Will. I 136 00:06:45,960 --> 00:06:49,359 Speaker 3: feel like they love him as an actor, right, and 137 00:06:49,440 --> 00:06:52,680 Speaker 3: so they're just basing all this offer. He's this great 138 00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:55,320 Speaker 3: actor and I'm a fan of his and I can't 139 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:57,760 Speaker 3: see him right. I can't see him that way. And 140 00:06:57,839 --> 00:07:00,320 Speaker 3: I thought about myself, and I was saying to a 141 00:07:00,360 --> 00:07:05,760 Speaker 3: friend of mine, my husband Greg. Everybody loved Greg. Everybody, 142 00:07:06,640 --> 00:07:09,720 Speaker 3: and it's no way possible I could sit in a 143 00:07:09,840 --> 00:07:14,680 Speaker 3: room of people and say Greg cheated this number of times, 144 00:07:15,080 --> 00:07:17,200 Speaker 3: he did this, or he did that. I think that 145 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:19,920 Speaker 3: people all would look and say, Nini is the villain, 146 00:07:19,960 --> 00:07:22,080 Speaker 3: of course, and it was Nini's fault. 147 00:07:22,240 --> 00:07:22,640 Speaker 2: Of course. 148 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:26,200 Speaker 3: They would never in a million years say it was 149 00:07:26,280 --> 00:07:28,200 Speaker 3: Greg and she's a woman and he hurt her and 150 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:30,760 Speaker 3: da da I would be the villain. And I think 151 00:07:30,760 --> 00:07:33,480 Speaker 3: that they're just making her the villain right now. And 152 00:07:33,520 --> 00:07:35,520 Speaker 3: I think that he's done a lot of things. He's 153 00:07:35,560 --> 00:07:38,280 Speaker 3: a big star, and I think he's done a lot 154 00:07:38,320 --> 00:07:42,920 Speaker 3: of things, and it probably hurt her now, not probably, 155 00:07:42,960 --> 00:07:48,440 Speaker 3: I'm sure it hurt her. And I think I think 156 00:07:48,520 --> 00:07:52,120 Speaker 3: that people knew that they weren't together. I think it 157 00:07:52,240 --> 00:07:54,320 Speaker 3: kind of looked like they weren't together. 158 00:07:55,640 --> 00:07:57,680 Speaker 1: First of all, First of all, I love what you 159 00:07:57,960 --> 00:08:01,480 Speaker 1: just said about you and Greg, because also having been 160 00:08:01,520 --> 00:08:03,840 Speaker 1: on reality television, you're the ones set up. 161 00:08:03,800 --> 00:08:04,440 Speaker 2: To be the clown. 162 00:08:04,520 --> 00:08:07,120 Speaker 1: Yes, you have a great day, Yay it went well, 163 00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:08,880 Speaker 1: you look gorgeous, and then you look like shit. Everyone 164 00:08:08,880 --> 00:08:11,480 Speaker 1: hates you. We talked about that he's not there for that, 165 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:14,320 Speaker 1: he's there to be. Oh yay, Greg's there like Maurice. 166 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:17,080 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, the supportive amazing, you know. And yes there 167 00:08:17,080 --> 00:08:20,000 Speaker 1: were rumors about Maurice. That's a separate conversation. But you're 168 00:08:20,120 --> 00:08:24,600 Speaker 1: still you're the crazy woman. Yes he's crazy, yeah, saying likewise. 169 00:08:24,360 --> 00:08:26,120 Speaker 3: And I would be the villain, and I'm the mean one, 170 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:29,040 Speaker 3: and it's my fault. Everything happened because it was me. 171 00:08:29,520 --> 00:08:31,520 Speaker 3: No one in the world would even think for a 172 00:08:31,640 --> 00:08:34,440 Speaker 3: second that Greg had done anything to me. And you know, 173 00:08:34,520 --> 00:08:36,120 Speaker 3: the thing I used to say to people when I 174 00:08:36,160 --> 00:08:38,560 Speaker 3: would talk about my husband, and my husband is a 175 00:08:38,720 --> 00:08:40,840 Speaker 3: great man. He's not a perfect man, but he's a 176 00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:47,600 Speaker 3: great man. And I would say to people that Greg 177 00:08:47,679 --> 00:08:50,520 Speaker 3: is a man. I mean, do you think he is 178 00:08:50,559 --> 00:08:53,000 Speaker 3: not a man and not doing some of the things 179 00:08:53,080 --> 00:08:55,680 Speaker 3: that men do. Do you think he is just sitting 180 00:08:55,720 --> 00:08:58,160 Speaker 3: over here meditating every day? 181 00:08:58,559 --> 00:09:01,320 Speaker 1: Because women, because people, people like to fantasize about other 182 00:09:01,360 --> 00:09:04,360 Speaker 1: people's relationships, either that they're terrible or that they're perfect. 183 00:09:04,679 --> 00:09:06,000 Speaker 1: And it's a very hard standing. 184 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:09,800 Speaker 3: Yeah. And usually in a relationship, Anthony, one person is 185 00:09:09,880 --> 00:09:13,240 Speaker 3: usually the villain. In the public, one person is the 186 00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:15,360 Speaker 3: villain and the other person is, you know, probably the 187 00:09:15,400 --> 00:09:18,800 Speaker 3: more nice and calmer person. I'm a little bit more outspoken. 188 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:20,760 Speaker 3: That is not to say that Greg is not. Greg 189 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:24,320 Speaker 3: is very outspoken. He just speaks out differently than I do. 190 00:09:24,800 --> 00:09:28,160 Speaker 3: And so I'm always the you know, the bad guy, and. 191 00:09:29,400 --> 00:09:31,400 Speaker 1: Well, first of all, I want to get to the 192 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:34,760 Speaker 1: fact that it cannot be easy to Also, you're not 193 00:09:34,840 --> 00:09:37,280 Speaker 1: bringing any of that up when your husband has cancer, 194 00:09:37,320 --> 00:09:39,120 Speaker 1: because then people are going to think you're really the villain. 195 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:41,280 Speaker 1: If you like, you're allowed to have normal feelings, you're 196 00:09:41,280 --> 00:09:43,440 Speaker 1: allowed to have not resentment. 197 00:09:43,480 --> 00:09:45,480 Speaker 2: But many people who have who are caring for. 198 00:09:45,400 --> 00:09:48,120 Speaker 1: Someone else, it gets exhausting, and you can't tell anybody 199 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:50,440 Speaker 1: because if you'll be another you'll be a layered villain. 200 00:09:50,600 --> 00:09:54,199 Speaker 1: So you can't tell everybody. Well, guys, my relationship isn't perfect. 201 00:09:54,280 --> 00:09:57,160 Speaker 1: You just have to be quiet. Yeah, so I want 202 00:09:57,200 --> 00:09:59,400 Speaker 1: to get into that. But you remind me, Wait a second, 203 00:09:59,440 --> 00:10:00,880 Speaker 1: you just reminded me something. You said that about the 204 00:10:00,960 --> 00:10:04,880 Speaker 1: villain about oh, many men. I'm saying this really about men. 205 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:08,360 Speaker 1: Many men are super charming and sales many to other 206 00:10:08,400 --> 00:10:10,720 Speaker 1: people on the outside, and then they have a really 207 00:10:10,840 --> 00:10:13,560 Speaker 1: nasty streak at home. And I'm not saying it's Greg 208 00:10:13,559 --> 00:10:16,560 Speaker 1: but I'm saying I've had that very where it's publicly 209 00:10:16,640 --> 00:10:19,760 Speaker 1: everybody thinks that this person, Oh hey, Dan has your 210 00:10:19,760 --> 00:10:22,640 Speaker 1: golf game, Oh hey, which super animated? 211 00:10:22,640 --> 00:10:24,079 Speaker 3: They have no idea that at home. 212 00:10:24,080 --> 00:10:25,320 Speaker 2: I'm saying, you know, a piece of shit. 213 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:29,800 Speaker 3: To me, it's true. So in Jada, in Will's case, 214 00:10:29,960 --> 00:10:33,600 Speaker 3: I just believe, and I think Will is not saying 215 00:10:33,679 --> 00:10:38,600 Speaker 3: much because I think he knows, Like, yeah, Jada, it's right. 216 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:43,319 Speaker 3: I want to tell you too that they they've been separated, 217 00:10:43,360 --> 00:10:46,200 Speaker 3: she said, I think for seven years, right, and he 218 00:10:46,320 --> 00:10:48,319 Speaker 3: has his house and she has her house, but they 219 00:10:48,760 --> 00:10:53,480 Speaker 3: divorce is not an option now. So I don't know 220 00:10:53,520 --> 00:10:58,559 Speaker 3: why divorce is not an option money. I still don't care. Listen, 221 00:10:58,880 --> 00:11:02,680 Speaker 3: my happiness is the option. So but they've kind of 222 00:11:02,720 --> 00:11:04,440 Speaker 3: been divorced, is what they're saying. They made a business 223 00:11:04,520 --> 00:11:08,760 Speaker 3: deal decision, So we're just divorced and we're just legally married. 224 00:11:08,760 --> 00:11:10,960 Speaker 3: But you see other people, but you're not out publicly 225 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:13,319 Speaker 3: with other people, right, So that sounds like. 226 00:11:13,280 --> 00:11:16,800 Speaker 1: That, Oh no, I did together, Like you know what 227 00:11:16,840 --> 00:11:18,800 Speaker 1: I mean, that's your ride or die, that's yours, that's 228 00:11:18,840 --> 00:11:19,600 Speaker 1: your life partner. 229 00:11:19,880 --> 00:11:20,880 Speaker 2: But you do what you want. 230 00:11:20,920 --> 00:11:23,480 Speaker 1: I think one of the big conversations, and I still 231 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:24,320 Speaker 1: want to say what I think. 232 00:11:24,160 --> 00:11:25,960 Speaker 3: About it, about having that kind of relationship. 233 00:11:26,040 --> 00:11:26,559 Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying. 234 00:11:26,559 --> 00:11:28,840 Speaker 1: Okay, so as we get older, I feel like women, 235 00:11:29,840 --> 00:11:32,320 Speaker 1: but it gets more non traditional as we get older, 236 00:11:32,360 --> 00:11:34,160 Speaker 1: like you realize there are more options. I was with 237 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:36,640 Speaker 1: a group of twenty five women the other night at 238 00:11:36,640 --> 00:11:38,720 Speaker 1: an event and they were all young girls, like, all 239 00:11:38,920 --> 00:11:42,480 Speaker 1: between twenty five and like thirty two, let's say, And 240 00:11:42,520 --> 00:11:44,720 Speaker 1: they all were saying how rough it is out there, 241 00:11:44,880 --> 00:11:48,079 Speaker 1: and they were really fantasizing my relationships, like, oh, when 242 00:11:48,120 --> 00:11:49,880 Speaker 1: are you gonna walk down thehill? You're planning the wedding, 243 00:11:49,880 --> 00:11:51,600 Speaker 1: and it's not that I don't you've I think you've 244 00:11:51,640 --> 00:11:52,000 Speaker 1: met Paul. 245 00:11:52,040 --> 00:11:52,679 Speaker 3: I love Paul. 246 00:11:53,120 --> 00:11:53,720 Speaker 2: I'm fifty two. 247 00:11:53,760 --> 00:11:55,360 Speaker 1: It's like we're to be planning a wedding and like 248 00:11:55,360 --> 00:11:57,880 Speaker 1: the big Drea, it just feels strange. And also then 249 00:11:57,920 --> 00:12:01,160 Speaker 1: there's signing a legal document to the point of what 250 00:12:01,200 --> 00:12:04,600 Speaker 1: you're saying. But the twenty somethings are being marketed the 251 00:12:04,640 --> 00:12:06,400 Speaker 1: fairy tale and they don't realize when you get older 252 00:12:06,440 --> 00:12:08,400 Speaker 1: and you have a husband who may have stepped out, 253 00:12:08,600 --> 00:12:10,720 Speaker 1: you have a husband who may have cancer, you're going 254 00:12:10,720 --> 00:12:13,400 Speaker 1: through menopause. Like you've got your kid, You've got problems 255 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:15,079 Speaker 1: with your kid. I've got stuff I'm dealing with my 256 00:12:15,520 --> 00:12:18,520 Speaker 1: like's not it's not like we're just being swept away 257 00:12:18,559 --> 00:12:20,559 Speaker 1: into a fairytale and all we have to worry about is, honey, 258 00:12:20,559 --> 00:12:22,480 Speaker 1: what am I gonna make you tonight? In my apron, 259 00:12:22,960 --> 00:12:25,840 Speaker 1: it's like you get more modern and you kind of 260 00:12:26,679 --> 00:12:28,760 Speaker 1: choose your own relationship and how to make it work 261 00:12:28,800 --> 00:12:31,160 Speaker 1: for you, with travel, with work, with kids. It's just different, 262 00:12:31,160 --> 00:12:34,439 Speaker 1: and the younger generation is still being marketed the bullshit 263 00:12:34,559 --> 00:12:39,040 Speaker 1: of the fairytale. So I think, to your point, I 264 00:12:39,080 --> 00:12:41,880 Speaker 1: think there's a lot that we don't know. Obviously, I 265 00:12:42,080 --> 00:12:45,840 Speaker 1: like Jada. I think Jada not unlike a Megan Markle 266 00:12:45,960 --> 00:12:49,520 Speaker 1: or years ago in Anne Hathaway. Sometimes when women are 267 00:12:50,080 --> 00:12:52,880 Speaker 1: very evolved and they speak in a certain way, people 268 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:56,320 Speaker 1: find it to be a little pretentious. Like when Jada 269 00:12:56,400 --> 00:13:00,439 Speaker 1: was on Kelly and Mark, she said Bill and I 270 00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:04,440 Speaker 1: were in both in therapeutic spaces, and then she started 271 00:13:04,480 --> 00:13:06,760 Speaker 1: talking about the work they were each doing. 272 00:13:06,760 --> 00:13:08,120 Speaker 2: We were doing deep work. 273 00:13:08,520 --> 00:13:11,000 Speaker 1: The average American who's just trying to get their kids 274 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:14,400 Speaker 1: to school and has no money for anything doesn't understand 275 00:13:14,559 --> 00:13:17,880 Speaker 1: therapeutic space and deep work, like they don't have that's 276 00:13:17,880 --> 00:13:20,680 Speaker 1: a luxury. So I think she sounds you know, and 277 00:13:20,720 --> 00:13:23,600 Speaker 1: tabletalk was very about like we let's talk about our feelings, 278 00:13:23,640 --> 00:13:26,520 Speaker 1: and they were very free, like it's just a therapy 279 00:13:26,600 --> 00:13:29,400 Speaker 1: speech that I don't think America is digesting. And that's 280 00:13:29,440 --> 00:13:32,800 Speaker 1: why I think, even though I agree with you, she 281 00:13:32,960 --> 00:13:36,840 Speaker 1: becomes the villain. I think it's even layered because she's 282 00:13:37,200 --> 00:13:41,480 Speaker 1: so emotionally intelligent and evolved and is sort of preaching 283 00:13:41,520 --> 00:13:44,920 Speaker 1: this like you know, spiritual this like therapy to people. 284 00:13:44,960 --> 00:13:47,480 Speaker 1: I just don't think it's hitting. It's not unrelatable. 285 00:13:48,040 --> 00:13:50,520 Speaker 3: It's definitely not hitting man, that's for sure, because they 286 00:13:50,520 --> 00:13:52,040 Speaker 3: are dragging her, honey. 287 00:13:52,160 --> 00:13:53,400 Speaker 1: And I agree with you, and I agree with a 288 00:13:53,440 --> 00:13:55,280 Speaker 1: lot of what she's saying. To be honest, she said, 289 00:13:55,600 --> 00:13:58,160 Speaker 1: we walked into the oscars. I thought it was a bit. 290 00:13:58,800 --> 00:13:59,160 Speaker 2: She said. 291 00:13:59,160 --> 00:14:01,520 Speaker 1: We walked in and I was it's his date, and 292 00:14:01,559 --> 00:14:03,600 Speaker 1: we walked out and I was his wife again because 293 00:14:03,600 --> 00:14:05,559 Speaker 1: they were going to go through it together, like they 294 00:14:05,559 --> 00:14:07,520 Speaker 1: became partners, and that wasn't the time to be like 295 00:14:07,559 --> 00:14:10,760 Speaker 1: we've been separate. So I'm buying it. I just think 296 00:14:10,760 --> 00:14:12,960 Speaker 1: it's the package it's in that's not landing. 297 00:14:13,400 --> 00:14:17,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, something about it isn't because she's getting dragged badly 298 00:14:17,920 --> 00:14:21,320 Speaker 3: right now. Everybody feels it's her fault, and Will's not 299 00:14:21,320 --> 00:14:23,680 Speaker 3: saying anything. He says his notifications. 300 00:14:23,040 --> 00:14:25,840 Speaker 1: Are off right, and I think everybody plays fifty they 301 00:14:25,880 --> 00:14:27,640 Speaker 1: have to. Well, I don't know if everybody plays fifty percent. 302 00:14:27,640 --> 00:14:29,320 Speaker 1: I don't know why I just said that, But they're 303 00:14:29,320 --> 00:14:32,360 Speaker 1: both at the table, and there's a reason why he 304 00:14:32,440 --> 00:14:34,880 Speaker 1: felt like he would go on Red Table Talk and 305 00:14:34,880 --> 00:14:37,680 Speaker 1: be emasculated when she talked about They talked about her 306 00:14:37,680 --> 00:14:39,560 Speaker 1: having an affair with another guy. They talked about it 307 00:14:39,680 --> 00:14:42,800 Speaker 1: an open discussion at this table talk, and it was awkward. 308 00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:45,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, I remember when she did the table talking, they 309 00:14:45,680 --> 00:14:47,880 Speaker 3: talked about her having an affair. They didn't talk about 310 00:14:47,960 --> 00:14:49,120 Speaker 3: him having an affair. 311 00:14:48,800 --> 00:14:52,720 Speaker 1: Though, right, right, But he's sitting at the table like talk, 312 00:14:52,920 --> 00:14:56,320 Speaker 1: hashing this out, and now he's. 313 00:14:56,120 --> 00:14:57,280 Speaker 2: Being punished for something. 314 00:14:57,320 --> 00:15:00,240 Speaker 1: As to your point, because right now he's got listen 315 00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:02,640 Speaker 1: to her passion and rehash again with the promotion of 316 00:15:02,680 --> 00:15:03,000 Speaker 1: the book. 317 00:15:04,320 --> 00:15:06,880 Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I agree, you know what I mean. 318 00:15:06,920 --> 00:15:12,680 Speaker 1: Yes, like Camille and Kelsey, you thought she's brand new 319 00:15:12,680 --> 00:15:16,400 Speaker 1: on a show and she's married to Kelsey Grammar. He 320 00:15:16,520 --> 00:15:19,320 Speaker 1: comes on the show, he looks like it's painful for him. 321 00:15:19,320 --> 00:15:21,640 Speaker 1: You're wondering, is this like they made some sort of 322 00:15:21,640 --> 00:15:23,040 Speaker 1: a deal and that's why he let her do the 323 00:15:23,040 --> 00:15:24,680 Speaker 1: show and he agreed to go to the Emmys and 324 00:15:24,680 --> 00:15:27,360 Speaker 1: then they broke up. Like there are all these dynamics 325 00:15:27,400 --> 00:15:28,840 Speaker 1: that happen when you're watching the Man and you're like, 326 00:15:28,880 --> 00:15:29,560 Speaker 1: he doesn't want. 327 00:15:29,440 --> 00:15:32,200 Speaker 3: To be there. Do you think Will has a girlfriend? 328 00:15:32,240 --> 00:15:34,760 Speaker 3: Do you think is that it? Well, wait, when she 329 00:15:34,800 --> 00:15:37,960 Speaker 3: talks about they're going through this therapeutic thing, I think 330 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:39,480 Speaker 3: she's saying that they're getting back together. 331 00:15:39,960 --> 00:15:42,520 Speaker 1: No, she's saying as like a family dynamic. And you've 332 00:15:42,520 --> 00:15:45,120 Speaker 1: heard her kids on and her mother. Everybody speaks in 333 00:15:45,160 --> 00:15:49,920 Speaker 1: this type of like very evolved spiritual you know, Eastern 334 00:15:49,960 --> 00:15:54,240 Speaker 1: medicine type like space. You know, just my girlfriend. I 335 00:15:54,280 --> 00:15:56,960 Speaker 1: don't say to my girlfriend's I'm doing some very deep 336 00:15:57,000 --> 00:15:59,560 Speaker 1: work right now and I'm I'm in a therapeutic space. 337 00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:01,120 Speaker 1: They'd be like, what the fuck are you talking about? 338 00:16:01,160 --> 00:16:01,520 Speaker 1: And I do. 339 00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:06,320 Speaker 3: I do talk to a movie or something, right, I mean. 340 00:16:06,240 --> 00:16:08,280 Speaker 2: I talked to a therapist. When I'm like, we're doing 341 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:10,560 Speaker 2: Paul and I are doing some very deep work right now. 342 00:16:10,640 --> 00:16:12,960 Speaker 1: It's not relatable. I mean, you know, people are like, 343 00:16:12,960 --> 00:16:15,600 Speaker 1: what do you mean I'm meeting Ramen. I can't afford, like, you. 344 00:16:15,520 --> 00:16:17,000 Speaker 3: Know, it's a very deep work. 345 00:16:17,280 --> 00:16:18,440 Speaker 2: Yes, it's just so. 346 00:16:18,520 --> 00:16:21,560 Speaker 1: I think that as a family dynamic for years, they've 347 00:16:21,560 --> 00:16:25,600 Speaker 1: talked to people and they have this dynamic that is 348 00:16:25,640 --> 00:16:27,880 Speaker 1: an arrangement that works for the whole group, and it's 349 00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:30,960 Speaker 1: required therapy. And I do think in many cases there 350 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:33,440 Speaker 1: are other people in this Whole Housewives sphere that I 351 00:16:33,480 --> 00:16:37,520 Speaker 1: think may stay together because the money. Divorces are very 352 00:16:37,560 --> 00:16:39,200 Speaker 1: expensive and there are a lot of logistics, and. 353 00:16:40,040 --> 00:16:41,960 Speaker 3: I wouldn't ad I wouldn't. 354 00:16:41,960 --> 00:16:43,400 Speaker 1: I need to be the minute I know. I don't 355 00:16:43,440 --> 00:16:44,880 Speaker 1: want to be somewhere. I don't want to be somewhere. 356 00:16:44,920 --> 00:16:47,520 Speaker 3: I cannot do it. I will take my wig off 357 00:16:47,560 --> 00:16:51,040 Speaker 3: and slank it, Honey, I cannot do it.