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Speaker 1: be talking about one of our joint favorite books that

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Speaker 1: we just reread. No Lifeguard on Duty by Jannas Dickinson

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Speaker 1: the world's first supermodel, um which is not quite true,

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Speaker 1: and we'll kind of get into that, but Jannas Dickinson,

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Speaker 1: I'm just like, I mean, I guess, sure, big supermodel

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Speaker 1: a movie, and Tyra's the mother hen and Janice you

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Speaker 1: know what Janis was back up? Yeah, Janice was the

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Speaker 1: the reason why this book is incredible is just the

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Speaker 1: acknowledgements are acknowledgements before the book starts. This is on

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Speaker 1: literally page two of the book. The Beverly Glen Pharmacy,

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Speaker 1: can't you know, you can't like save every oil covered

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Speaker 1: not talking about that. I'm just talking about paying for

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Speaker 1: actually only twenty five percent effect. If I were like, oh, absolutely,

421
00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:52,160
Speaker 1: I'm done. How much is it eight hundred bucks? Ye? Yeah.

422
00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:54,800
Speaker 1: And it's just like sleep studies because I did all

423
00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:58,240
Speaker 1: those focus groups in high school, I mean college university.

424
00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:00,879
Speaker 1: I went to college and I'll go and to make

425
00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:04,080
Speaker 1: that extra cash. I did a ton of focus groups

426
00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:06,040
Speaker 1: in Chicago's Famasy Very Mad Men. There's a lot of

427
00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:09,040
Speaker 1: advertising there, so I got really into the focus group scene,

428
00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:11,479
Speaker 1: which was pretty easy to get into because they were

429
00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:14,359
Speaker 1: just like, do you chew gum? Okay, you're in and

430
00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:17,480
Speaker 1: it was like a chewing gum focus group in one

431
00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:21,040
Speaker 1: where it was like we had to discuss the chewing

432
00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:22,719
Speaker 1: gum packaging and it was like me and all these

433
00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:25,920
Speaker 1: girls just being like, yeah, extra gum. Their packaging was

434
00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:28,520
Speaker 1: for Grandma's and it makes you think of Grandma's. And

435
00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:31,480
Speaker 1: then the ad that they were promoting were like more

436
00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:34,960
Speaker 1: orbit style packages and it was like a piece of

437
00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:39,280
Speaker 1: gum sexily dancing and we were like, oh, yeah, extra's

438
00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:43,280
Speaker 1: sex scene. Now wait, do you remember when we went

439
00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:45,840
Speaker 1: to what we thought was that like preview of the

440
00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:49,320
Speaker 1: fall TV lineup in New Hampshire, But It was actually

441
00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:51,920
Speaker 1: an insane advertising focus group for Sharman and it was

442
00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:54,040
Speaker 1: like at a weird hotel. It was at a weird

443
00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:56,560
Speaker 1: like Ramada and Portsmith, and we like drove an hour

444
00:23:56,600 --> 00:23:58,720
Speaker 1: and forty five minutes in high school and and like

445
00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:00,840
Speaker 1: I was like, Lily, we're gonna get to see TV

446
00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:04,879
Speaker 1: shows before anyone in America. We went to this insane

447
00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:08,920
Speaker 1: it's like weird sad meeting hall and like they and

448
00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:11,679
Speaker 1: like they showed us like ten second clips of these

449
00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:13,760
Speaker 1: like shows that were clearly from like nineteen ninety two,

450
00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:16,399
Speaker 1: like on the Packs channel. They were like so Packs

451
00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:18,639
Speaker 1: and it was like some unknown actress just being like

452
00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:23,240
Speaker 1: eating work and we were like what is this like

453
00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:25,080
Speaker 1: show about a woman living in a city. And then

454
00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:27,080
Speaker 1: it would cut to commercial and you would see like

455
00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:29,720
Speaker 1: three commercials in a row for toilet paper. And then

456
00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:31,359
Speaker 1: we did like an hour of this and then they

457
00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:34,360
Speaker 1: gave this questionnaire and all the questions were about the ads. Yeah,

458
00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:36,240
Speaker 1: and they're giving us like this, Babe, we're all of

459
00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:39,399
Speaker 1: our pants or Ramada in pens, and they're like, so

460
00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:42,879
Speaker 1: would you say you're inclined to buy Sherman for you're

461
00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:46,720
Speaker 1: a household of three to four making under one hundred

462
00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:50,160
Speaker 1: and fifty thousand dollars a year. We're like million about

463
00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:52,320
Speaker 1: with the other like I don't know, we're sixteen. I

464
00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:54,800
Speaker 1: don't really buy everyone else who was there it was

465
00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:58,840
Speaker 1: like a weird like couple in their forties and our

466
00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:02,080
Speaker 1: future absolutely future, and like some woman was just like

467
00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:05,240
Speaker 1: I don't I think this was really just about the advertisers,

468
00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:08,040
Speaker 1: and we were like, oh, we're all like addicted to

469
00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:12,120
Speaker 1: television and like we've all been duped, we got scammed. Um,

470
00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:15,480
Speaker 1: I feel like there's something okay. So so my next question, So,

471
00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:18,560
Speaker 1: so Jana talks about this like floral dress that she

472
00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:20,760
Speaker 1: wears that first like scam modeling things she went to

473
00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:23,080
Speaker 1: that she also wears at the first photoshop that she

474
00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:25,359
Speaker 1: like accidentally showed up at and then like ended up

475
00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:27,920
Speaker 1: blunching her career, which is also I feel like such

476
00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:30,239
Speaker 1: a story in every book. It's always like I went

477
00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:33,320
Speaker 1: to a scam audition. Yeah, and then I like it

478
00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:35,440
Speaker 1: was in the right place at the wrong time and

479
00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:37,639
Speaker 1: the wrong place at the wrong time, and it was

480
00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:39,040
Speaker 1: like the floor dust and she was like I looked

481
00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:42,840
Speaker 1: kind of hispanic and and it's like it's like kind

482
00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:46,639
Speaker 1: of hugs or curves in this sexy way. It doesn't

483
00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:48,159
Speaker 1: kind of sound a little well, wasn't I feel like

484
00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:50,359
Speaker 1: it was like brown? It was more like such a

485
00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:52,160
Speaker 1: seventies print, is what it sounds like to me, those

486
00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:54,359
Speaker 1: like big flowers. That's like so like it was tight

487
00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:57,520
Speaker 1: and floral, but she obviously felt like sexy in it

488
00:25:57,600 --> 00:25:59,840
Speaker 1: and kind of just like brought out her kind of

489
00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:04,120
Speaker 1: innate power. And it made me think, what was your

490
00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:08,200
Speaker 1: first freakum dress? To use the Beyonce terminology, what was

491
00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:10,640
Speaker 1: the first thing that you really were like, Oh damn,

492
00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:13,840
Speaker 1: clothing can kind of like turn me into a rock star.

493
00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:18,040
Speaker 1: That is such a good question. I'll go first ye

494
00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:22,160
Speaker 1: thinking about and I need to think about well, I'm

495
00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:25,119
Speaker 1: talking so my I remember the very first halfware that

496
00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:27,960
Speaker 1: ever felt like and this truly is so fucking b

497
00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:33,480
Speaker 1: list of me, and I'm like, sure, really, Dens, I

498
00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:36,639
Speaker 1: was maybe about twelve and I went to Fi Leans

499
00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:39,840
Speaker 1: with my mom and that's where I shopped too, And

500
00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:44,280
Speaker 1: the outfit I got was this Liz Clayborne boys, Oh

501
00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:50,639
Speaker 1: my cream wafflenit long sleeve. Wait, this is insane. And

502
00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:55,840
Speaker 1: then these like olive green tight jeans like little like

503
00:26:56,119 --> 00:27:00,080
Speaker 1: tapered little like cropped genes. Are we talking for the

504
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:02,399
Speaker 1: Santo Boston filings? And belmonts That's where I would do

505
00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:04,720
Speaker 1: all the shopping. This is so weird. It was filings

506
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:07,000
Speaker 1: at Belmont And I never went to that filings because

507
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:07,920
Speaker 1: it was like, why would have you go to the

508
00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:10,160
Speaker 1: one in Balmont? But it literally was at the filings

509
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:12,920
Speaker 1: a Balmont. Wow. Yeah, this I could also like before

510
00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:15,520
Speaker 1: we knew each other, maybe we were passing each other

511
00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:18,040
Speaker 1: in the racks like China's when it Liz playburn Boys Blazers,

512
00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:20,600
Speaker 1: and I remember just being like, oh yeah, I'm like

513
00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:24,200
Speaker 1: this like cool like stylish young guy like stomping around.

514
00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:27,000
Speaker 1: And I remember so also like tracked from willing Grass View,

515
00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:29,680
Speaker 1: just like it's the most like just the most like

516
00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:33,200
Speaker 1: nerding not fabulous outfit ever. And then I remember my

517
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:36,520
Speaker 1: fucking older brother being just like he saw me in

518
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:38,639
Speaker 1: my like brand new clothes and he was like so

519
00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:41,200
Speaker 1: pissed and he was and he was just like what

520
00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:44,960
Speaker 1: the fuck is this Abercrombie oh, because he was like

521
00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:47,399
Speaker 1: so pop. Yeah, he was trying to think that. He

522
00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:50,160
Speaker 1: was like, oh, how like you're doing this fucking bullshit

523
00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:53,119
Speaker 1: like we thought it was so like rich girl to

524
00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:55,600
Speaker 1: get to wear like Abercrombie, and it was like such

525
00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:58,960
Speaker 1: bullshit only thing that like fucking like privileged rich kids,

526
00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:01,879
Speaker 1: and it's just like wake up, like our parents of

527
00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:05,480
Speaker 1: three houses, like what are you talking about? Hello? But

528
00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:07,600
Speaker 1: he was in high school at that point. He yeah,

529
00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:09,640
Speaker 1: he would have been in high school. He was really

530
00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:13,199
Speaker 1: coming to his own as an incredibly obnoxious high schooler

531
00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:17,000
Speaker 1: who was just like always screaming at my parents and

532
00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:19,600
Speaker 1: then just like burning incensence. So he was also like

533
00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:23,480
Speaker 1: height incense. Like no, he would he had probably discovered

534
00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:26,480
Speaker 1: like drifting by that. Literally, he had a list of

535
00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:29,560
Speaker 1: all the college radio stations in Boston, like on an

536
00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:32,080
Speaker 1: next card, like next was bad like Emerson, which I'm

537
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:34,080
Speaker 1: sure you probably did too. Okay, I didn't have to

538
00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:38,800
Speaker 1: write it down. No, Actually I was so list. I

539
00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:41,680
Speaker 1: was always just writing down band names and writing down movies.

540
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:44,360
Speaker 1: You're okay, you're like lists, but the list has no title,

541
00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:46,800
Speaker 1: and yeah, he's more just general list. It would just

542
00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:49,160
Speaker 1: be like really big Fish, my money, Boston's Frank Sinatra

543
00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:52,560
Speaker 1: and you're like, what is this list for? So kind

544
00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:55,760
Speaker 1: of funny? It's my first freak. Im I'm gonna kind

545
00:28:55,800 --> 00:29:00,720
Speaker 1: of give you actually three So I would say the

546
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:05,880
Speaker 1: Belmont Filing Boys Department is like where I became a man,

547
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:09,520
Speaker 1: Like that was the original my freakom. Like I remember

548
00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:16,720
Speaker 1: getting in there a full Phoenix Son's basketball jersey and shorts,

549
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:20,200
Speaker 1: like the full basketball outfit you have any absolute zero

550
00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:25,040
Speaker 1: every day. But I think because Charles Barkeley was huge then,

551
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:28,560
Speaker 1: and my dad was named Charles and it was my dad.

552
00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:34,120
Speaker 1: My dad once met Charles Berkeley on a plane. Yeah,

553
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:38,760
Speaker 1: so I was kind of just into at the time

554
00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:41,880
Speaker 1: anyone who was like a famous basketball player. So Michael Jordan,

555
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:44,960
Speaker 1: Charles Berkeley, Larry Bird. You know, as I feel like

556
00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:47,320
Speaker 1: people always say they meet celebrities on plane. I've never

557
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:50,520
Speaker 1: seen a celebrity on plane. And well today I thought

558
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:53,000
Speaker 1: I saw Yokona on the subway. I kind of do

559
00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:56,080
Speaker 1: I really think it was her? Again, it's so seventies

560
00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:58,080
Speaker 1: to go from the train to the bus. Yeah, and

561
00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:01,680
Speaker 1: you could gonna be like New York old school. And

562
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:03,440
Speaker 1: she was wearing a hot that was similar to the

563
00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:06,040
Speaker 1: hat we saw her wearing. We saw her in p ten. Oh,

564
00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:08,440
Speaker 1: I don't remember seeing her. You may not have been now, okay,

565
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:10,320
Speaker 1: but yeah, it was like little fedors. She was like

566
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:16,480
Speaker 1: Jay High, huge glasses, Leopard mask um, celebrities on planes. Yeah,

567
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:19,600
Speaker 1: I know it happens to some anyway. My other freakom

568
00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:24,240
Speaker 1: is when my sister like told me what Urban Outfitters

569
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:33,400
Speaker 1: was and I started shopping there. Oh girls. It was

570
00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:41,400
Speaker 1: a men's section, obviously shiny red button down, long sleeve

571
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:45,560
Speaker 1: and it was like thick and iridescent, Like what the fuck?

572
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:49,320
Speaker 1: I don't know. No, he was like thick and more

573
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:51,960
Speaker 1: like sparkly. And I had a red one and crete

574
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:55,720
Speaker 1: one was it almost was it like a scratchy It

575
00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:58,440
Speaker 1: was like polyester. Yeah, but it was a little bit

576
00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:01,560
Speaker 1: stretchy too. Sounds like you're just having let may no,

577
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:03,760
Speaker 1: because let me is smooth and this had a rigid

578
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:07,000
Speaker 1: feel to it. Rich. It was like richer, a little

579
00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:12,680
Speaker 1: bit rough in like that like glitter was used or something. Yeah, okay, huh.

580
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:15,920
Speaker 1: And I was like this because I really wanted really

581
00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:19,160
Speaker 1: like Studio fifty four, yeah, excepted the caller was like

582
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:23,440
Speaker 1: more just like modern button down, and I think I

583
00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:25,000
Speaker 1: thought it was as close I was going to get

584
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:26,880
Speaker 1: because I really wanted to buy the outfits that P

585
00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:30,080
Speaker 1: Diddy and Mace wore in the momenty more problems videos

586
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:32,680
Speaker 1: interesting those like shiny jumpsuits, and I was like, this

587
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:37,240
Speaker 1: is close enough. Yeah, so that's my freaking Oh when

588
00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:39,360
Speaker 1: you did also like want a Fuboo sweatshirt, that was

589
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:42,920
Speaker 1: a big moment for you too, Chest I didn't know that.

590
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:45,520
Speaker 1: It was like I was not like, shouldn't own a

591
00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:49,120
Speaker 1: Fooba sweatshirt and you really looked up to black male style.

592
00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:52,640
Speaker 1: I mean you always have, always have. Yeah, And this

593
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:56,640
Speaker 1: is also it's like beyond my childhood. Analyst bought me

594
00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:59,720
Speaker 1: a Foobia sweatshirt for my tenth birthday that I still

595
00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:04,280
Speaker 1: have and I'm trying to sell any bit why it

596
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:08,640
Speaker 1: was purple. I don't think I'm super nineties. Yeah, it's

597
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:11,880
Speaker 1: like really treated like Barney nineties purple, A little bit

598
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:14,920
Speaker 1: of darker. Yeah, it's Barney nineties like super thick crew

599
00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:19,480
Speaker 1: neck and then in terry towel material does the FP

600
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:25,920
Speaker 1: fubou Yeah so um yeah, that's those are some iconic

601
00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:27,600
Speaker 1: So I guess that was a huge I mean to

602
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:29,520
Speaker 1: have that piece of street where that's a huge freak.

603
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:32,880
Speaker 1: I think I just thought of one other freaks like

604
00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:37,280
Speaker 1: coming to mind was my first pair of diesel jeans. Yeah,

605
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:42,840
Speaker 1: and this sheer Armani exchange polo that had two buttons.

606
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:45,360
Speaker 1: I don't know if you remember it change in little letters, right.

607
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:49,360
Speaker 1: It was one of the gayest shirts has ever been made.

608
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:53,040
Speaker 1: It was crazy and I was like a fourteen year

609
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:55,440
Speaker 1: old twink where like this should have been illegal, Like

610
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:59,560
Speaker 1: I was wearing a absolute sheer, like nipples so visible.

611
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:01,880
Speaker 1: Who would let you? But I guess we were just

612
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:04,840
Speaker 1: running free at the Coppley Mall. I actually now remember

613
00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:07,760
Speaker 1: this is like very Janus in Hollywood, Florida. Like one

614
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:10,840
Speaker 1: time I was wearing that shirt and then these shiny

615
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:14,200
Speaker 1: h and M dress pants. And I was traveling alone

616
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:17,320
Speaker 1: at like age fourteen from Hyannis to Boston and I

617
00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:21,240
Speaker 1: was in the Hyannis bus depot and I kind of

618
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:24,600
Speaker 1: was like, how did you not get scooped? Well, literally,

619
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:27,680
Speaker 1: I actually almost did get scooped. And I was like

620
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:29,960
Speaker 1: sitting on this chair and I was kind of like

621
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:32,080
Speaker 1: sleeping a little bit, and I nick can. I had

622
00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:35,200
Speaker 1: seen this guy across the like like this like maybe

623
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:41,520
Speaker 1: forty something, gray hair, motorcycle helmet guy, and I kind

624
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:43,440
Speaker 1: of was like fall asleep. Came over while I was

625
00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:48,600
Speaker 1: like eyes closed dropped a note on my lap that

626
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:52,160
Speaker 1: said I think, yeah, I remember, and that said like

627
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:55,479
Speaker 1: high like cutie, like I've never seen someone like as

628
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:57,440
Speaker 1: cute as you. Like if you ever are back in

629
00:33:57,680 --> 00:34:01,280
Speaker 1: Cape pot or something, here's my number, and I remember,

630
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:07,760
Speaker 1: and now I'm remembering another memory. Is that memory? Okay, wait,

631
00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:10,399
Speaker 1: you don't still have a note? No, no, because here's

632
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:13,160
Speaker 1: what I think. I think. I was so terrified of

633
00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:16,799
Speaker 1: my sexuality that I, well, y'all do your fourteen it's

634
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:20,279
Speaker 1: thirty year old. I was in your bedroom and I

635
00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:24,560
Speaker 1: I hid the note in one of your jewel cases

636
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:28,160
Speaker 1: for a CD. Oh my god. And I was like,

637
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:30,280
Speaker 1: I can't ever find this, Like it was the fucking

638
00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:32,800
Speaker 1: I don't know tell Moudic stone. And I was just like,

639
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:34,560
Speaker 1: get rid of this. Oh my god. You know, it's

640
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:37,520
Speaker 1: so crazy. It's like, we can't find that now. But

641
00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:39,480
Speaker 1: I just threw out when I was like having to

642
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:42,000
Speaker 1: move out of my dad's there was all this stuff

643
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:44,000
Speaker 1: in the basement and there was a bunch of jewel

644
00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:45,880
Speaker 1: case was still left. I wonder if I threw out

645
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:48,920
Speaker 1: the note. Wow, yeah, on iconic note, and now we

646
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:52,520
Speaker 1: could find the guest phone number and cancel. How dare

647
00:34:52,640 --> 00:35:03,520
Speaker 1: you go up to a fourteen year old man? Okay,

648
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:06,440
Speaker 1: As a person of sister experience, I want to talk

649
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:10,920
Speaker 1: about Janis's relationship with her sisters. Um so her sister,

650
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:14,600
Speaker 1: the older one who was deeply abused. It's so sad

651
00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 1: in seventies. I feel like Is was just in like

652
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:21,799
Speaker 1: so many cults and like self helps and just feel

653
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:25,880
Speaker 1: so nice. Yeah, she's the vow She's that other one

654
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:29,520
Speaker 1: where they all wore red stuff. Yeah, and then the

655
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:32,080
Speaker 1: little sister I like couldn't keep up with all the

656
00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:35,000
Speaker 1: insane Saudi princes, like she was like married. Well, it

657
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:37,160
Speaker 1: sounds like she was not doing them more like the

658
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:40,200
Speaker 1: slightly less successful model thing, which is like where you're

659
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:42,520
Speaker 1: half a model, but like half just kind of like

660
00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:46,280
Speaker 1: marrying rich Saudis and like getting having so much caviarre

661
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:49,200
Speaker 1: and they're bathing in Cologne and you're like going clubs, right,

662
00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 1: because it was kind of weird in the beginning of

663
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:53,320
Speaker 1: the Genus book, I feel like she was just like

664
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:55,759
Speaker 1: new but she was like, oh, all the girls I

665
00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:58,120
Speaker 1: stayed at in the apartment in Paris were like such

666
00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:00,320
Speaker 1: bitches and all they talked about was like okay, and

667
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:02,120
Speaker 1: the guys they fucked, and I'm like, well, that's literally

668
00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:03,960
Speaker 1: what your book is about. I know. That's why it's

669
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:05,640
Speaker 1: like she has this kind of push pull between like

670
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:08,080
Speaker 1: pretending she's a prude and then just being I think

671
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:09,440
Speaker 1: it was just because she wasn't in the scene and

672
00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:11,399
Speaker 1: that's and they think they weren't asking her like who

673
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:15,279
Speaker 1: she fucked, but I do, yeah, because then it's also like,

674
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:17,120
Speaker 1: but I think that she actually has a kind of

675
00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:22,600
Speaker 1: accurate like distinction between like a slightly just like grosser,

676
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:26,360
Speaker 1: sleazier like girl who goes out to club's vibe and

677
00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:29,359
Speaker 1: then just like a slightly more fun version that's like yeah,

678
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:32,960
Speaker 1: there's fifty four and there's like more just like you're

679
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:36,680
Speaker 1: sly being with like photographers as like, because like when

680
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:38,480
Speaker 1: she gets into that phase of her life, she does

681
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:40,120
Speaker 1: like sleep with that club owner guy who is so

682
00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:43,080
Speaker 1: sleazy and marries him Albert Gerson built right, and he's

683
00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:45,960
Speaker 1: like so discussing he almost kills her in a car crash. Hey, PSA,

684
00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:49,320
Speaker 1: don't drunk drive, no litter. Really there's so much shrunk

685
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:51,560
Speaker 1: dri meaning that. But I have to say, like I don't.

686
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:55,520
Speaker 1: I think everyone in La just still But it's like

687
00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:58,600
Speaker 1: she was so wasted. I'm like, okay, so my favorite

688
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:01,279
Speaker 1: moment laid in the book when she's DUI the like

689
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:05,239
Speaker 1: clearly lesbian cob polls are over and she's like the

690
00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:10,080
Speaker 1: things she could do with that baton, And then so

691
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 1: fad when she talks about Beverly Hills jail, She's just like, oh,

692
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:16,320
Speaker 1: go there, croissants and she was like, literally the blanket

693
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:21,399
Speaker 1: the game was cash. Yeah, it's very like Nordic jail vibes. Um, Okay,

694
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:23,000
Speaker 1: other question I want to ask you. She does a

695
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:27,160
Speaker 1: lot of iconic photoshoots with animals, sharks, lions, alligators. What's

696
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:29,440
Speaker 1: your dream animal to do a photo shoot with? It's

697
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:32,440
Speaker 1: so interesting. Obviously my mind goes to cat because like, right,

698
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:36,640
Speaker 1: more sexy cat person anyone. Um, And she like has

699
00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:38,279
Speaker 1: that photoshop with a cheetah and she's just like, look

700
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:41,880
Speaker 1: in my face is pure terror, which does sound really terrifying,

701
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:44,799
Speaker 1: like that's too scary. But then I'm also like, maybe

702
00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:46,640
Speaker 1: it's about doing it with like an elephant, because like

703
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:51,080
Speaker 1: you'll look so like in comparison. But then I'm like, actually,

704
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:54,200
Speaker 1: people kind of see things by generalization, not by comparison,

705
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:58,080
Speaker 1: So maybe like being with really thick a deer, a flamingo.

706
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:00,560
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, I can see you in a

707
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:04,359
Speaker 1: full sea of flamingos. You know, DearS are funny because

708
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:07,960
Speaker 1: I will say, are very scrawny. Some are like big

709
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:10,320
Speaker 1: like the fire Island. Ears are like covered in like

710
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:12,920
Speaker 1: so much. They're so like cancer as and they have

711
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:15,760
Speaker 1: all those like cysts. They're gross. Well, it's so funny.

712
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:17,640
Speaker 1: One of my favorite characters in the book is her

713
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:21,759
Speaker 1: favorite booker, Monique Pillard. Oh yeah, and like they talk

714
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:24,080
Speaker 1: about this booking room in the old model agencies and

715
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:27,560
Speaker 1: it sounds so funny, and everyon's on the horn and

716
00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:31,200
Speaker 1: everyone has dates of these cards and she overhears were

717
00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:33,759
Speaker 1: and being like, no, no lions for her this week.

718
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:37,000
Speaker 1: She's on her period. Yeah, they'll smell the blood in

719
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:40,719
Speaker 1: the water. I do love Monique. And she's like this,

720
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:44,440
Speaker 1: like she's this kind of like I was smoking a

721
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:47,279
Speaker 1: cigarette and being like, honey and just like I don't

722
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:49,520
Speaker 1: care how drunk you are, like be there on time, right,

723
00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:51,480
Speaker 1: and just being like you can't pull the stuff like

724
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:54,120
Speaker 1: you've been doing. Because there's a point where you know,

725
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:56,719
Speaker 1: she starts acting like Gia Rain. She gets and she's like,

726
00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:59,000
Speaker 1: you're literally turning into Gia. You're getting like so drug

727
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:00,480
Speaker 1: out of that insane and like too much of a

728
00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:02,680
Speaker 1: diva and like not showing up to shoots. The part

729
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:05,600
Speaker 1: where Gia also like roovies her with heroin on a

730
00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:07,719
Speaker 1: set is like the most eightiest thing I've ever heard

731
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:10,279
Speaker 1: of my entire life. She thinks it's coke and then

732
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:12,879
Speaker 1: it's heroine. She passes out and Gia's just like, yeah,

733
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:15,200
Speaker 1: fuck you count where you know what? That reminded me

734
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:18,879
Speaker 1: of the time I did met by accident. Oh yeah,

735
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:20,920
Speaker 1: and you're up like and I was literate, And I

736
00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:24,520
Speaker 1: was in the bathroom at UM Eastern Block before it

737
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:28,760
Speaker 1: became Club Coming and wait, yeah, how do I forget

738
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:31,840
Speaker 1: the Club Coming was Eastern Block? I don't know, because

739
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:35,640
Speaker 1: well that's actually erasure and you need to remember your

740
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:38,560
Speaker 1: her history because it used to be Eastern Block. I'm

741
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 1: just the exact same narrow gay bar yea. And I

742
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:43,239
Speaker 1: was in a bathroom with this drag queen and like

743
00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:45,080
Speaker 1: some of the person this drag queen like pulled out

744
00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:47,000
Speaker 1: what I thought was coke and she was just like,

745
00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:49,600
Speaker 1: do you want to line? And I just and I

746
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:52,000
Speaker 1: didn't ask, and I was like, oh, sure, I didn't.

747
00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:53,920
Speaker 1: I didn't clarify what the drug was. And I did

748
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:57,200
Speaker 1: this line and it was so like it was it

749
00:39:57,280 --> 00:40:00,680
Speaker 1: was so sharp and like acidic and like rocky, and

750
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:03,000
Speaker 1: I was like whoa, Like that's a really rocky coke.

751
00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 1: And then she was like, oh, honey, that's not coke.

752
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:09,320
Speaker 1: It's Tina Oh. And that's like the beginning of the

753
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:12,240
Speaker 1: movie and Welcome to New York. It was so Welcome

754
00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:14,800
Speaker 1: to New York in twenty thirteen. And I was just

755
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:18,680
Speaker 1: like and I at first I felt like high, like

756
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:20,279
Speaker 1: a kind of a normal coke. I was like yay,

757
00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:22,359
Speaker 1: and then it was like cut to two hours later,

758
00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:26,359
Speaker 1: and I'm violently horny, and I'm fucking a close friend

759
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:29,799
Speaker 1: who will rename nameless. And we did have a which

760
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:33,640
Speaker 1: is funny because that same close friend I did accidental

761
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:39,480
Speaker 1: myth with also because of another former close friend. And

762
00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:41,799
Speaker 1: when you say for me, you don't mean dead, no, yea,

763
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:45,880
Speaker 1: because that's kind of how it sounded. And so I

764
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:47,400
Speaker 1: was bad. I was up for a leader entire day

765
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:51,960
Speaker 1: off of one line. And then our other friend, who

766
00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:59,759
Speaker 1: was sort of a rap pus um, sort of a

767
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:03,839
Speaker 1: rapper extraordinaria. Yeah, you're saying rapper in a weird way.

768
00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:07,200
Speaker 1: I was saying this with a feminine form. Oh pose

769
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:15,120
Speaker 1: like a masseuse. Who's your favorite? And I called him

770
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:17,120
Speaker 1: and I was like, I just in math because I

771
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:18,920
Speaker 1: knew that he had had some experience, and he was

772
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:22,000
Speaker 1: just like he was like, oh, Chica, um, just go

773
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:24,440
Speaker 1: for a run and you'll get it out of your system.

774
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:27,520
Speaker 1: So I weirdly took his advice, which was absolutely horrible,

775
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:29,680
Speaker 1: and I went for I ran like from like the

776
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:32,759
Speaker 1: cobsop to like the Morgan stop, and I truly thought

777
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:34,360
Speaker 1: I was going to have a heart attack. And it

778
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:37,040
Speaker 1: was just like actually getting your heart right up while

779
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:39,480
Speaker 1: your own math is like not a great idea, sounds horrible.

780
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:41,560
Speaker 1: It was horrifying. Um. And then I finally fell see

781
00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:43,640
Speaker 1: about like six pm the next day, after truly thinking

782
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:45,000
Speaker 1: I would stay alive for the rest of my life.

783
00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:47,400
Speaker 1: And after that, like Jannis, was that kind of the

784
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:53,239
Speaker 1: reckoning and when you got sober well from math, I

785
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:55,080
Speaker 1: have not done meth since. I was very just like

786
00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:57,279
Speaker 1: I don't under sorry like no shape, but I don't.

787
00:41:57,320 --> 00:42:00,640
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously it just sounds horrible, like I guess

788
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:02,360
Speaker 1: it means you can like fuck for longer and it

789
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:04,479
Speaker 1: makes you guys do it, it makes you super horny

790
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:05,719
Speaker 1: and that's why guy guys do it. But I was

791
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:08,080
Speaker 1: just like this feeling of not thinking you'll a versely

792
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:10,759
Speaker 1: begin it's so fucking stressful. I absolutely never want his

793
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:14,360
Speaker 1: parents aid again. Yeah. The time I did something, I

794
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:16,040
Speaker 1: was like, I feel like this is meth. I don't

795
00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:17,279
Speaker 1: know what it was, but I was like, I just

796
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:22,040
Speaker 1: feel jittery and horrible for hours. Anyway, drugs. Drugs are crazy,

797
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:25,960
Speaker 1: like use moderation and seriously, you know who I remember? Okay,

798
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:28,040
Speaker 1: I feel like my sister's biggest than I was always

799
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:29,960
Speaker 1: like took that heart. It was like, know who you're

800
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:33,640
Speaker 1: getting it from, and it's like, well, I don't know

801
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:38,080
Speaker 1: if I've ever know one knows only in high school

802
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:39,839
Speaker 1: when I'm just like buying weed from like the weird

803
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:42,839
Speaker 1: redheaded guy, like you don't know where he's getting man,

804
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:46,480
Speaker 1: it's just like and I'm not like I really trust him. Yeah,

805
00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:49,279
Speaker 1: I really trust Kelty. I mean that is okay, but

806
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:51,920
Speaker 1: I feel like that's also so like Queer Festival where

807
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:55,040
Speaker 1: it's like it's like queer Festival I went to last

808
00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:57,080
Speaker 1: summer and it was just like you could bring your

809
00:42:57,160 --> 00:42:59,560
Speaker 1: like drugs to like test them, and they'd be like this,

810
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:04,120
Speaker 1: like whoa like a consent drug play consent? Like lesbian

811
00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:06,359
Speaker 1: would be under a tent and just like test her

812
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:08,320
Speaker 1: drugs to see whether or not. It was like we

813
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:21,680
Speaker 1: need to get her on the pond. Yeah, segment vibes Okay,

814
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:26,200
Speaker 1: So how does what does she eat? What she wear? Um?

815
00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:29,879
Speaker 1: How does she live? Okay? So I so I saw

816
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:32,960
Speaker 1: this celebrity where she was on Oh I saw a

817
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:36,239
Speaker 1: weird celebrity like realization. Yeah, that's it seems so fake

818
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:37,960
Speaker 1: And she doesn't mind any of the houses and it's

819
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:40,600
Speaker 1: just she's so like classical a where it's some like

820
00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:45,840
Speaker 1: huge white leather couch pool well big island. Because she

821
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:48,160
Speaker 1: doesn't have that much money from her modeling days because

822
00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:51,120
Speaker 1: she she blew it all, honey, it all went up

823
00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:53,759
Speaker 1: her nose. She didn't like save money. And like she

824
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:56,200
Speaker 1: talks about one time she saw Cindy Crawford like at

825
00:43:56,239 --> 00:43:58,000
Speaker 1: the Forward office and she was like, oh this bitch

826
00:43:58,120 --> 00:44:01,080
Speaker 1: was like new now like kind of control her career. Well,

827
00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:04,080
Speaker 1: she says, right, those next supermodels are like business woman

828
00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:06,520
Speaker 1: and she was like all right, like Ria, what so

829
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:08,319
Speaker 1: like she's had to kind of hustle and do every

830
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:10,320
Speaker 1: fucking reality showing to the sun after top Model, and

831
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:11,880
Speaker 1: I don't think she has the man twenty so she

832
00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:15,040
Speaker 1: probably has the most. Just like it's a little condo

833
00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:18,680
Speaker 1: ass you know, maybe she's not even owning right now. Yeah,

834
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:21,359
Speaker 1: Like it's like renting and she's like a word debate

835
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:23,080
Speaker 1: sense if she had bought earlier. But it's like she's

836
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:26,040
Speaker 1: renting and it's five thousand, six hundred a month. It's

837
00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:28,520
Speaker 1: so that and she's like throwing burning all her money

838
00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:30,520
Speaker 1: on rent on this just like not that can maybe

839
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:33,320
Speaker 1: it comes again with a white leather cow, which she

840
00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 1: absolutely came with the white leather guard, and like but

841
00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:37,640
Speaker 1: then it's I feel like it's this weird mix, okay,

842
00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:39,640
Speaker 1: because here's one thing that interpeted. I kind of don't

843
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Speaker 1: think she has like her own style or like good style.

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Speaker 1: Really it's a glam and just like I feel like

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Speaker 1: it's cheesy hotels, cheesy hotel, like the baby store in

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Speaker 1: the lobby of the hotel. And so she's just like

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Speaker 1: like maybe the last coffee table, it's like the condo's

848
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Speaker 1: weird and like all white marble modern. But then like

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Speaker 1: the bed is mahogany, and it's just like it's like

850
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Speaker 1: a big high bed for some reason, hi bed and

851
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:06,920
Speaker 1: like clothing racks. I don't think. I think she's like

852
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Speaker 1: closet being like minalabloos No, But isn't she so randomly

853
00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:12,960
Speaker 1: when like celebrities have just like not a fab closet

854
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Speaker 1: And there was just like so many shoes still on

855
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Speaker 1: the pasta crap everywhere. I mean, I could see like

856
00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:23,320
Speaker 1: things are overflowing. Yeah, I think it's very overflowing shoes looking.

857
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:25,759
Speaker 1: I feel like her kids are grown. But she was

858
00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:29,600
Speaker 1: like I want rooms for them, right, But I don't think.

859
00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:31,719
Speaker 1: I think it's hotel lobby and like a little bit cheap.

860
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:34,880
Speaker 1: Maybe leather isn't real. Yes, okay, what does she eat? Nothing?

861
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Speaker 1: But I mean and when she does well, I remember

862
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Speaker 1: so in her second book, which I've also read, but

863
00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:42,360
Speaker 1: it's been a long time, and I remember when she

864
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Speaker 1: talks more about the top model years. Um. She talks

865
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Speaker 1: about like seeing some other model like or like I

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Speaker 1: don't know, Claudia Schiff or something like at some restaurant

867
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:54,680
Speaker 1: in the nineties and she's eating a pizza and she

868
00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:57,520
Speaker 1: was like and she just fucking ate the whole slice

869
00:45:57,600 --> 00:45:59,840
Speaker 1: and then ate another one. And she was like shocked

870
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Speaker 1: because at one point in the book she goes to

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Speaker 1: CEPK with your kids, Well, she goes to speak with

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Speaker 1: her kids. But I was also saying in her model days,

873
00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:09,719
Speaker 1: her diet was the diet of thirds. You just only

874
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:11,680
Speaker 1: eat a third of every meal I need to do,

875
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:13,680
Speaker 1: which is actually a genius, and you just always leave

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00:46:13,719 --> 00:46:15,480
Speaker 1: two thirds in your plate. But it's like seems very

877
00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:18,279
Speaker 1: dependent on the portions because you could go to viny

878
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:22,840
Speaker 1: testas and a third a family style that's totally different,

879
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:24,759
Speaker 1: but I mean like she's glam Obviously, she was so

880
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:27,920
Speaker 1: like lobster caviar, lobster caviar. And then I feel like

881
00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:30,320
Speaker 1: it's so single mom to take your kids to SEEPK

882
00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:33,920
Speaker 1: and they're getting like a chicken buffalo a rugula pizza

883
00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:35,879
Speaker 1: and she's like, I'm gonna have a slice kids. Well,

884
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:37,239
Speaker 1: the thing that's because I feel like it's also the

885
00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:38,680
Speaker 1: second one, because it's like you just want to do

886
00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:40,719
Speaker 1: the things that you know are gonna make your kids happy.

887
00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:44,359
Speaker 1: And like, obviously because they can get whatever pizza they want,

888
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:47,000
Speaker 1: but I feel she can get a salad. Absolutely, she

889
00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:50,560
Speaker 1: absolutely is Caesar vibes, full Caesar vibes, but also like

890
00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:54,439
Speaker 1: she's old cheese. Yeah, and she's ordering like a ton

891
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:57,480
Speaker 1: of sushi. Oh yeah, he's larning a big sushi plat

892
00:46:57,560 --> 00:46:59,680
Speaker 1: or eating halfen Whenbvily she goes out to dinner all

893
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:01,560
Speaker 1: the time, she's going to the ivy because everyone's always like,

894
00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:05,000
Speaker 1: I want to grab dinner. She doesn't cook yeah, um oh.

895
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:06,600
Speaker 1: And then one time she's just like she's like, I

896
00:47:06,719 --> 00:47:08,200
Speaker 1: was a bad cook and that was my thing, and

897
00:47:08,239 --> 00:47:10,960
Speaker 1: I'm making mac and cheese. Um. I guess what does

898
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:13,200
Speaker 1: she wear? We kind of reference us a bit, but yeah,

899
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:14,719
Speaker 1: I think she's wearing just like it's still just like

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00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:18,839
Speaker 1: tight vava vood I remember one said she said, like, honey,

901
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:21,880
Speaker 1: don't dress for women, dress for men. She's very like

902
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:24,160
Speaker 1: the opposite I think of like current style trends of

903
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:27,440
Speaker 1: like man Repeller, like, oh, she's not in like Lions

904
00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:31,319
Speaker 1: to the opposite of Jenna Lions. She's always showing up

905
00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:36,120
Speaker 1: her fake huge yeah. Um okay, who are you in

906
00:47:36,239 --> 00:47:43,560
Speaker 1: the book? Biggest question the entire like celebrities of the

907
00:47:43,640 --> 00:47:49,000
Speaker 1: eighties and the nineties and today, Donna Summer, Jennifer Lopez, Okay,

908
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:55,640
Speaker 1: tick fucking talk here. I'm really like, I mean, yeah,

909
00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:59,000
Speaker 1: you have shades of Jennis, but then it's like you're

910
00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:00,960
Speaker 1: not like a full jet. That's because she is completely

911
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:03,640
Speaker 1: insane and no one is Janis except well, no one

912
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:05,759
Speaker 1: is Janis and that's what's so fab about her. Yeah,

913
00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:08,120
Speaker 1: Like you can't just be like I'm the Janis. Like

914
00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:10,520
Speaker 1: to some extent, I think I like want to be

915
00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:12,759
Speaker 1: Jannis in a lot of ways. I feel like you're

916
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:16,120
Speaker 1: aspirational Jane. I wish that I were having more insane

917
00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:19,040
Speaker 1: torrid affairs. And it's just like sure, like you want

918
00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:21,960
Speaker 1: to fly and did I get my But it's like

919
00:48:22,040 --> 00:48:24,480
Speaker 1: instead of stealing a Ferrari, it's like I'm getting my

920
00:48:24,719 --> 00:48:27,000
Speaker 1: phone stolen while I'm blowing a guy on the beach,

921
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:33,280
Speaker 1: Like okay, not to carry. But I think I'm any Warhol. Okay,

922
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:35,879
Speaker 1: I really don't think you're Andy Warhole like in any

923
00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:39,200
Speaker 1: way like I'm They're like he listened, and I'm just

924
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:41,720
Speaker 1: so like, are you pulling like a straight girl aside

925
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:44,160
Speaker 1: of the club and just being like no, because the

926
00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:45,960
Speaker 1: one see with any Warhol, he pulls her aside and

927
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:48,279
Speaker 1: he's like you, like you tell me everything, Like, I

928
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:50,160
Speaker 1: don't really see you doing that with straight girls all

929
00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:53,840
Speaker 1: the time. I guess not straight girls. By you're talking

930
00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:58,640
Speaker 1: all right, so you blah blah blah, screaming at the club,

931
00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:03,359
Speaker 1: spilling your drink on I'm straight girls a daycolatage us.

932
00:49:03,560 --> 00:49:05,759
Speaker 1: Just like both desperately wanted to be everyone in this

933
00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:09,360
Speaker 1: book everyone, And it's like, yeah, I want to be

934
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:12,160
Speaker 1: sly and be so like ham bam lamb. You can't

935
00:49:12,239 --> 00:49:15,640
Speaker 1: take this, Hogia, but like so it's like I want

936
00:49:15,640 --> 00:49:18,960
Speaker 1: to be sly. But like also, just like, are you Simon,

937
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:20,840
Speaker 1: You're actually a good father at the end of my

938
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Speaker 1: Michael Byrnebaum, the father of Savannah, the nice producer of bandits,

939
00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:29,800
Speaker 1: the most boring character in the pod, who she doesn't

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00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:32,040
Speaker 1: tell as the father of her daughter in to seven years.

941
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:35,480
Speaker 1: I mean, I also feel like I'm a little casting Ribs.

942
00:49:35,560 --> 00:49:39,440
Speaker 1: Maybe I'm a little Monique Pillard. Yes, I would absolutely

943
00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:45,800
Speaker 1: cast you as Manilard. You're smoking, smoking the horn, gossiping

944
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:48,680
Speaker 1: with all the girls. Well, Gia's CONFI oh yeah, it's

945
00:49:48,719 --> 00:49:54,239
Speaker 1: more Gia's confiding in me rather so nikes me being warhole. Um,

946
00:49:54,560 --> 00:49:56,920
Speaker 1: you're a Monique Pillard and I'm this like gaggle of

947
00:49:57,040 --> 00:50:02,239
Speaker 1: like desperate hose like Kane, random Saddi millionaires and like

948
00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:06,000
Speaker 1: not really getting a modeling career off the ground. Wow. Wow,

949
00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:08,840
Speaker 1: what a journey. What a journey. And it's always that

950
00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:10,879
Speaker 1: thing where I feel like we didn't even get into

951
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:12,799
Speaker 1: the book. But honestly, I didn't want to give away

952
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:14,120
Speaker 1: too much because I want I want to go and

953
00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:15,600
Speaker 1: read this. Do you want you to go read this book?

954
00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:17,239
Speaker 1: This is not okay, well we'll tell you off the

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Speaker 1: bast but if it's a skipper, it's a read. Honey,

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Speaker 1: this is a read. This is a read. Given it

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Speaker 1: ten meat balls, run don't walk all right? No, I

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Speaker 1: give this ten dom peris out of ten. Hell to

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Speaker 1: the Yes, I give it turnouts of coke. These are

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Speaker 1: front Row good kinds, straight from Colombia, Front Row Rolling

961
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Speaker 1: Stone tickets, Nick Jagger, sticky thing. It's a Rolling Stones

962
00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:52,359
Speaker 1: album rock. I'm like more TV less music. Okay, yeah,

963
00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:54,920
Speaker 1: please read this, Please read this. Um this was a

964
00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:56,920
Speaker 1: super fun journey to going with you as my podcast

965
00:50:57,200 --> 00:50:59,800
Speaker 1: partner co host, and to revisit I feel like we

966
00:50:59,880 --> 00:51:02,719
Speaker 1: were reconnected. Um No, this is a great book. Thank

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00:51:02,719 --> 00:51:05,359
Speaker 1: you so much for listening to this episode, Like, please

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Speaker 1: tune in every week to single week celebrity book claub

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Speaker 1: next week, we have a huge surprise in store. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: a little man named Chasten named chastinum, and we are

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Speaker 1: going to do his memoir. I have something to tell you. Um,

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Speaker 1: that's the name of his memoir. I have a feeling

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Speaker 1: it might be not to kind of be a psychic

975
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Speaker 1: here the opposite of the Jane's book. I'm Gonay's gonna

976
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:37,000
Speaker 1: be opposite the Jets book in every way. Um. But

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Speaker 1: so yeah, if you literally loved this episode or even

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Speaker 1: I will discuss the pronunciation in death for the for

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