WEBVTT - Ep. 036

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<v Speaker 1>This is a me eater podcast coming at you, shirtless,

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<v Speaker 1>severely bug bitten in my case, underwear listening. Don't make

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<v Speaker 1>you eat your podcast. You can't predict anything there. He

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<v Speaker 1>is already, did you just do it? He's done. I'll

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<v Speaker 1>explain what he just did in a minute. But you

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<v Speaker 1>know what happened to day that was kind of funny

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<v Speaker 1>is I was flying with a a Muskox tongue, the

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<v Speaker 1>tongue of a Muscox in a ziploc bag brind and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going through t s A in the airport in

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<v Speaker 1>Seattle and uh, it flags right and they gotta check

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<v Speaker 1>my bag and you're carrying it. Yeah, I haded my

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<v Speaker 1>carry on a brind tongue. I mean when you look

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<v Speaker 1>at you like, that's a tongue in a bag. And

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<v Speaker 1>she said I need to inspect your bag, and we

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<v Speaker 1>go over to inspect. Then she says, um, there's an

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<v Speaker 1>organic mass in this bag. And I made a joke

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<v Speaker 1>about organic masses. But then it was worried that you

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<v Speaker 1>think I was hitting on her, and you know what

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, like, I'm like, oh, you know those organic man,

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<v Speaker 1>but I left it with an organic mass. She pulled

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<v Speaker 1>it out and said and it's just a tongue in

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<v Speaker 1>a bag and she said everybody loves their fish. Yeah, actually,

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<v Speaker 1>but um yeah, meat sets it off. It does, because yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that turkey set it off. Got me in trouble. That

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't a checked bag, right, Is that what you want?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh tell that? Because that's interesting about t s A.

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<v Speaker 1>We a lot of people who write in and asked

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<v Speaker 1>various questions about how you fly with meat. And I

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<v Speaker 1>think I've told this story before. We're trying to make short.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, I got called back to security after I'd

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<v Speaker 1>already gone through and come all the way back through

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<v Speaker 1>and they're like, yeah, they need seeing the back room

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<v Speaker 1>about your check baggage. And I go in there and

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<v Speaker 1>on all the nice Stilens still tables, My big red

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<v Speaker 1>Duffle is completely you know, taking apart all the pieces

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<v Speaker 1>of laid out, and I happen to have a whole

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<v Speaker 1>turkey chopped up in there cold. But there was like

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<v Speaker 1>a tail fan. I was bringing the wings home for

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<v Speaker 1>the kids, two breasts, the legs, it's all they're spurs,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, because the kids want to see all that ship.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm like what They're like, well, this set it off,

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<v Speaker 1>pointing at the turkey breast because again large organic mass.

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<v Speaker 1>But the reason you get you're in here is because

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<v Speaker 1>we were in there looking for that. We found a

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<v Speaker 1>loose shotgun showy, Yeah, loose turkey bullets. And so that's

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<v Speaker 1>what got me in trouble. But luckily in check backers

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<v Speaker 1>they don't have to do the whole um check your

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<v Speaker 1>background and and the and the cop report. But the

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<v Speaker 1>funny part of it was that it was one of

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<v Speaker 1>those heavy shot and you hunt turkeys and use heavy shot,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it's like you touch the trigger, there goes

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<v Speaker 1>four or five bucks. And I knew that. In my

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<v Speaker 1>nice case, I had some like cheap Remingtons stuff. I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, hey, if you don't mind, instead of taking

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<v Speaker 1>that one can of swap out, you can take my

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<v Speaker 1>cheap Remington one a heavy shot back. Yeah, he's like

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<v Speaker 1>a problem. Banks. You packed it all up and left.

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<v Speaker 1>Now you just got the problem where you try to

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<v Speaker 1>go walk onto the plane with amo rounds and you

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<v Speaker 1>have to talk to the policeman. You know, that's what

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<v Speaker 1>I had to do before. But it was Embozeman. They

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<v Speaker 1>were cool. Yeah, it had to be an anchorage and

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<v Speaker 1>they knew that I wasn't trying to pull a fast one.

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<v Speaker 1>I had just haunted arm again that day. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>they're like, yea, yeah, I get a buddy. But here's

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<v Speaker 1>the deal. Now, we got to act like you're trying

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<v Speaker 1>to sneak onto the plane with ammunition and go through

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<v Speaker 1>all the steps, though obviously you're just like you know,

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<v Speaker 1>every other idiot who comes through here with like bullets

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<v Speaker 1>in his pockets at the Anchorage airport, but I had

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<v Speaker 1>to talk to policeman and take some information down. I

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<v Speaker 1>had a morning at the Anchorage Airport where I was

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<v Speaker 1>coming back to the States with a blacktail in my backpack,

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<v Speaker 1>and I remember going through security and the deer's entire

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<v Speaker 1>head was inside my backpack concealed, but when I went

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<v Speaker 1>through the X ray machine, they could obviously see inside

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<v Speaker 1>the backpack and the girl's face behind the machine, and

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<v Speaker 1>she like looked at her supervisor, and she looked at

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<v Speaker 1>her coworker, and then she looks at me, and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>just like, Hey, this Alaska and I'm taking a deer

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<v Speaker 1>back to Montana. Cool about it, super cool about it.

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<v Speaker 1>I had a friend that was carrying the antlers one time,

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<v Speaker 1>and they had a big debate about the antlers, and

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<v Speaker 1>in the end he was able to bring the antlers

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<v Speaker 1>on cool. Another debate that they could be a weapon,

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<v Speaker 1>whether yeah, whether it was weaponized or not. So we're

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<v Speaker 1>just talking to had a bunch of weird stuff in

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<v Speaker 1>its fishing vest. Who is that an old man was

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<v Speaker 1>flying with the fishing vests. I missed that one and

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<v Speaker 1>he had all kinds of like semi weapon like items

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<v Speaker 1>and his vest. First he was really confused and they

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<v Speaker 1>kind of said, like, um, they made him, let's just

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<v Speaker 1>tell me this. They made him get on the plane

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<v Speaker 1>and they're like, hey, you put it in the overhead

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<v Speaker 1>bin and don't mess with it until you get where

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<v Speaker 1>you're going. But that's gonna stop the flame and get hijacks.

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<v Speaker 1>But but that's on one day, and you think it's

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<v Speaker 1>entirely rigid, right, Like there's a set of rules and

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<v Speaker 1>there's no room for individual interpretation within that. But when

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<v Speaker 1>Nick Brigden had a set of deer antlers, they debated it,

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<v Speaker 1>and apparently with this old man, they debated what he

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<v Speaker 1>had going on in his fishion vest, and there was

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<v Speaker 1>a level of you know, weighing in on it. But

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<v Speaker 1>you know, their mandate is looking for hazardous materials that

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<v Speaker 1>would be hazard justus to the plane and air travel.

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<v Speaker 1>Like I've heard day like if you you could have

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<v Speaker 1>other illegal junk in there, and it's not their concern,

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<v Speaker 1>Like it's not what they're looking for. I had a

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<v Speaker 1>man I flew recently. I had I had a bag

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<v Speaker 1>pulled out because I had a big hunkle iron ore

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<v Speaker 1>in it, and the guys like, I need to look

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<v Speaker 1>in your bag. I said, yeah, I got a piece

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<v Speaker 1>of iron ore in are. He goes at getting raw.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, in facts raw iron ore and he let

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<v Speaker 1>me go. Then I had another time in the last

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<v Speaker 1>few weeks where I had a mammoth tooth and pulled

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<v Speaker 1>that out, never even asked what the hell it was.

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<v Speaker 1>Daved a good looking over sent me on my way,

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<v Speaker 1>like I feel like you could have like a dude's

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<v Speaker 1>arm in there. Defeated They it's not their mandate to

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<v Speaker 1>pull it out, I think, mabe. Depending on the state

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<v Speaker 1>of decay, they might take you side. Or if you

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<v Speaker 1>had a hundred dollar bill duct tape to the arm,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, oh, I'll look the other way here, Or

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<v Speaker 1>if you laid a bag up they had one of

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<v Speaker 1>those handcuffs. It was still handcuffed and you ran that

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<v Speaker 1>through the thing. I need to check your bags, sir, um,

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<v Speaker 1>joined by Chris gil Ridge Pounder. Um, Jeff Sposito, right,

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<v Speaker 1>kind of Italian? Italian? I wonder if you're more Italian

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<v Speaker 1>than I am? How many how many grandfi parents are?

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<v Speaker 1>Do you have an Italian? Just my just my grandfather

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<v Speaker 1>and my dad's side. But yeah, one grandparent. So I

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<v Speaker 1>try to like relate to Italian culture. But um, but

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<v Speaker 1>it's just really hard for me. Yeah, I'm American. Yeah

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<v Speaker 1>was my last name. Yeah. My allD Man was brought

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<v Speaker 1>up speaking and he was raised by his grandparents. So

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<v Speaker 1>he was raised by full on balls out Italians immigrants,

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<v Speaker 1>was raised to speak Italian in the home. Um. Later

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<v Speaker 1>in life he moved out to Michigan. Was like it

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<v Speaker 1>never happened. He wouldn't care about the language. South side

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<v Speaker 1>of Chicago, right by what was Whiskey Park. So my

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<v Speaker 1>grandfather lived and grew up in Pittsburgh, but came over

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<v Speaker 1>same Italian speaking family. His parents never didn't speak in English.

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<v Speaker 1>Similar similar story. Yeah, he was my dad's like I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't eat the food, but now and then try to

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<v Speaker 1>remember a word he was to one of his He

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<v Speaker 1>had a handful of insults. One of them was that

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<v Speaker 1>you were a minga la morta. Now, I've asked a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of Italian speakers like what would that mean? Like,

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<v Speaker 1>the best I can tell, it's like, uh, you're like

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<v Speaker 1>a dead dick. He had another insult, which in my

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<v Speaker 1>mind was was photonomy shako and I've that's many Italians

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<v Speaker 1>and are like, yeah, I don't know that. That doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>even sound like I don't know what that just made

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<v Speaker 1>that up, but that was the Italian words he had. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I couldn't have cared good to meet you. Yeah. But

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<v Speaker 1>interestingly enough, just tying off the Italian thing, I just

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<v Speaker 1>learned my cousin, apparently we have enough Italian in there

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<v Speaker 1>that you can apply for dual Italian citizenship. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know what the laws are really, but yeah, And then

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<v Speaker 1>I started to ponder what would be the advantages of

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<v Speaker 1>having this sort of disadvantages. But she, but my cousin,

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<v Speaker 1>was able to get an Italian dual Italian citizenhip an

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<v Speaker 1>Italian passport. I don't know what the advantage. I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>sure either, but it sounds cool, so maybe something to

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<v Speaker 1>look well, if you wound up in some you know,

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<v Speaker 1>Mexican jail. You have two embassies that call. You could

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<v Speaker 1>have like two embassies simon simultaneously working on your behalf.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess that's an advantage. Yeah, I'm not sure there's

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<v Speaker 1>an advantage, but there you go. And then Peter Pete, Pete, Pete,

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<v Speaker 1>who's holding a dog? Shocker? Oh yeah, you got a

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<v Speaker 1>dog out somewhere right now. Oh yeah, he's tied up outside.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh he's tied up. He's in the truck. Yeah, we

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<v Speaker 1>can actually see him from right here. So you're keeping

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<v Speaker 1>an eye on him. And he would rather be killing

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<v Speaker 1>house cats cats. I don't mean to say killing house

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<v Speaker 1>cats cases family friendly. Let's just leave it to the

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<v Speaker 1>wild ones. Yeah, tell him your last name again. I

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<v Speaker 1>forgot your lastname. That's not occurring to me right now. Munich,

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<v Speaker 1>Pete Munich yep. Um, So we got dual things going

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<v Speaker 1>on here because Chris, you got nothing. Chris is just

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<v Speaker 1>in town, and I felt and he just rather than

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<v Speaker 1>being alone in his hotel trying to figure out how

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<v Speaker 1>to get cable to work or something. Um, Chris is

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<v Speaker 1>a cameraman that works with us, and you just put

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<v Speaker 1>in a long hard day. Yeah, I wouldn't say a

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<v Speaker 1>hard day. It was a fun day. It was a

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<v Speaker 1>day we weren't climbing ridges or anything. Um, Pete Munich,

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<v Speaker 1>you do many things, but Rocky Mountain go Tollions explain

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<v Speaker 1>that real quick. So the rock came out and go

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<v Speaker 1>to lines is as your child, I guess you could

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<v Speaker 1>call it my brain child. Yeah. With the help of

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<v Speaker 1>many talented people along the way, has become the leading

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<v Speaker 1>conservation organization for rocky mountain goats across North America. Alright,

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<v Speaker 1>do you have members? We do? Oh? Yeah, Um, it's

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<v Speaker 1>a it's an animal that doesn't draw. You know, it

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't have its focus group. Correct? It does now? It

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<v Speaker 1>does now? It never did have its focus group. Correct.

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<v Speaker 1>You've read all the books by Duncan Gil Chris, quite

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<v Speaker 1>a few of them, and his videos. Not many mountain

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<v Speaker 1>goat writers, but he is, if there are two, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>guessing he's probably the best. Oh he's he's a pretty

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<v Speaker 1>he's a legend right there. But the guy that wrote

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<v Speaker 1>The Beast The Color of Winner, Chadwick not real hunting friendly. No,

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<v Speaker 1>but nor are his colleagues. But um, but uh an

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<v Speaker 1>informative book anyway. Yeah, The Beast of Color Winner is

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<v Speaker 1>an incredible book. Um certainly doesn't highlight hunting in the

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<v Speaker 1>way that we try to. He's still alive, lives in Montana. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>he's he's a good guy. He's you know, he Um.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, it's weird because like when you get

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<v Speaker 1>a researcher, you know, but but they spend a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of time in proximity the animal. You can kind of

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<v Speaker 1>go with two directions and you kind of almost felt

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<v Speaker 1>like this like anthropomorphic kind of relationship, you know. But

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<v Speaker 1>it's an informative as hell. Yeah, it's incredible. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>there's not a lot of literature on mountain goats, and

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<v Speaker 1>certainly not a lot of literature for the general public.

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<v Speaker 1>So The Basic Color of Winter is a very valuable

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<v Speaker 1>book to the mountain goat. Yeah. Um. Gilchrist has so

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<v Speaker 1>many awesome observations. I love that. You know, he's like

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<v Speaker 1>an astute observer. Accidentally he's an accidental very good writer.

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<v Speaker 1>When I said that, I mean I think that. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think he he set out to try to emulate styles,

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<v Speaker 1>but he accidentally writes like Hemingway interest in these very

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<v Speaker 1>like clear declarative sentences. He like says a very true thing,

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<v Speaker 1>then says a very true thing, then says a very

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<v Speaker 1>true thing on down the line and winds up having

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<v Speaker 1>He's like kind of like accidentally beautiful passage. It's kind

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<v Speaker 1>of hard to argue with a guy like that. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>there's like an authoritative sense. And then Jeff Sposito, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>from Italy, from from dual citizen. Possibly soon Oh you

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<v Speaker 1>even have a hat. The reason Jeff, he's I want

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<v Speaker 1>to talk a little bit about um. So we got

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<v Speaker 1>to kind of like two organizations to two goody two

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<v Speaker 1>shoe do good or organizations represented here. I've never been

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<v Speaker 1>called that before that. You actually couldn't get that name.

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<v Speaker 1>You tried to be the two shoot the Goody two

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<v Speaker 1>Shoe Alliance, but had to go with the Rocky Mountain.

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<v Speaker 1>Wasn't able to wasn't able to get it on paper. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so so right down when you got going on the

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<v Speaker 1>two percent so so similar to Pete. Thanks to a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of help. But but we started an organization called

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<v Speaker 1>two percent for Conservation and UH and really the primary

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<v Speaker 1>objective is to to help conservation groups UH get help

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<v Speaker 1>them fund their mission work by bringing industry companies and

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<v Speaker 1>giving away to get industry companies more involved and at

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<v Speaker 1>the same time, how how this really came to fruition

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<v Speaker 1>was understanding that that companies that do get back to

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<v Speaker 1>conservation deserve recognition for for what they do, uh and

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<v Speaker 1>and what they contribute, and trying to find a medium

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<v Speaker 1>or a platform to help them get recognition from consumers

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<v Speaker 1>for for what they do. For conservation groups. Yeah, so

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<v Speaker 1>you go on there and you see that that that's there,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know what you're doing. Now, I look, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know if you can even talk about this. Can

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<v Speaker 1>you talk about like because I see that name and

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<v Speaker 1>something pops into my mind, can you talk about that?

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<v Speaker 1>You're not a lot of talk about that. I think

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<v Speaker 1>we can talk about whatever, whatever everything. It's kind of like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, there's what is it one percent for its

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<v Speaker 1>one percent for the planet. Yeah, and that's uh so

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<v Speaker 1>one Percent of the Planet is an organization that that

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<v Speaker 1>was started by of Entinard, who is the founder of Patagonia,

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<v Speaker 1>and and a fellow named Craig Matthews who wants a

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<v Speaker 1>fly shop here in West Yellowstone just south of us

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<v Speaker 1>and uh uh don't quote me on this, but twelve

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<v Speaker 1>or fifteen years ago they started One Percent for the

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<v Speaker 1>planet based off the principles of of businesses that make

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<v Speaker 1>a living on on the planet. Outdoor industry should be

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<v Speaker 1>given back to UH to environmental causes and protecting the

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<v Speaker 1>planet and UM and their models. It's been very successful.

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<v Speaker 1>They have I think over two thousand member businesses now, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's all in the in the software outdoor in

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<v Speaker 1>well it's it's uh, it's very broad. I mean they

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<v Speaker 1>have food, you know, food organic companies. Cliff Bars is

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<v Speaker 1>a pretty popular brand name. That's one percent planet number.

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<v Speaker 1>Remember if you look on the back of every cliff Bar,

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<v Speaker 1>you there's a little logo. UM. So it's pretty broad.

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<v Speaker 1>But but a lot of over two thousand I believe,

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<v Speaker 1>yeah so so yeah, so they we I can't take

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<v Speaker 1>credit for for inventing that model, but but really looking

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<v Speaker 1>at what that model has done for environmental UH sustainability

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<v Speaker 1>type nonprofits and what it's done for businesses like Patagonia

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<v Speaker 1>who really have a strong reputation with corporate responsibility. We

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<v Speaker 1>how many businesses, I mean, how many organizations do they backed?

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<v Speaker 1>You know, they have UH I want to say thirty

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<v Speaker 1>five hundred different nonprofit environmental they say, or within their network.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean it's it's broad, it's it's super broad. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>But but yeah, so that's kind of what our model

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<v Speaker 1>is built off of. We looked at the opportunity to

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<v Speaker 1>kind of leverage that and hunting and fishing conservation, and

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<v Speaker 1>it made a lot of sense the more we learned

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<v Speaker 1>about how one percent of the planet structured and what

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<v Speaker 1>they do. Um and that's kind of what started us

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<v Speaker 1>down the path with two percent of conservation. So what

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<v Speaker 1>do you got to do now? Like it's pretty brand

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<v Speaker 1>spigty new. Yeah, we gotta we got everything to do. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we uh to this point. So we've been working on

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<v Speaker 1>on getting this going for about the last two years,

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<v Speaker 1>really doing all the back and stuff, getting the r

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<v Speaker 1>S determination for five of m C three status, getting

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<v Speaker 1>some startup funding money, working with some uh some conservation

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<v Speaker 1>groups and some businesses to really get feedback and involve

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<v Speaker 1>the model, make sure we're going on the right path.

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<v Speaker 1>And when you say startup money, what do you mean,

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<v Speaker 1>like you needed money just to get like the legal

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<v Speaker 1>stuff taking care of. Gotta get the legal stuff taken

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<v Speaker 1>care of, got to build a website, got to create

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<v Speaker 1>a brand. Who got to go out and market the

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<v Speaker 1>brand and build value so, so who pays for that?

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<v Speaker 1>Do do the did did the groups that you're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>eventually support pay for it as an investment for the

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<v Speaker 1>backing they might get down the road or did you

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<v Speaker 1>have people who are participating the program help so so

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<v Speaker 1>so a little bit of both. But yeah, my our

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<v Speaker 1>first approach was to go to some conservation groups that

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<v Speaker 1>I'm fortunate to have a relationship with the first one

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<v Speaker 1>I went to was a Wild che Foundation, And yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it was exactly that conversation and hey, what do you

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<v Speaker 1>think of this model? Is pretty open, casual conversation. This

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<v Speaker 1>is an idea we have when we think that if

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<v Speaker 1>it's successful, it could it could help raise more money

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<v Speaker 1>for groups like yourself. Uh, and I need some money.

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<v Speaker 1>But to get it going, we need we need some money.

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<v Speaker 1>So they had they took a leap of faith. They

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<v Speaker 1>believe in the model, and they said, yeah, I think

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<v Speaker 1>that this just can impact us long term, can impact

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<v Speaker 1>conservation as a whole long term, which is which is

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<v Speaker 1>it just as important. So they were willing to invest

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<v Speaker 1>some money to in in the form of a grant

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<v Speaker 1>to get it off the ground. Did that come with

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<v Speaker 1>stipulation that you're gonna have to pay them back. No, no,

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<v Speaker 1>no strings they took faith. Yeah, no strings attached. How

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<v Speaker 1>many uh are you guys? Is it launched? Like? Could

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<v Speaker 1>I expect to go somewhere and go and be like,

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<v Speaker 1>oh two percent for conservation? So we yeah you can.

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<v Speaker 1>So we turned the website on for lack of a

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<v Speaker 1>better term, about ten days ago. Yeah, okay, so the

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<v Speaker 1>website's live. It's it's fishing wildlife dot org or two

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<v Speaker 1>percent conservation dot org. Get you there too, So we

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<v Speaker 1>have a website. I gotta put in a little percentage.

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<v Speaker 1>You can't buy domain names and simuls two all written out,

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<v Speaker 1>but yeah t w oh yeah, but fishing wildlife dot org.

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<v Speaker 1>The problem with hunter eat No, we're into the problem.

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<v Speaker 1>Someone else had already taken the numeral. Who is that?

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<v Speaker 1>Just some jackass? Same way some jackass owns meat eater

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<v Speaker 1>dot com. Did you try to buy it? The guys

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<v Speaker 1>owns meteor dot com now and then puts up a

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<v Speaker 1>picture of some dinner he ate in the restaurant. You

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<v Speaker 1>reach out to him. We drive. We haven't tried yet.

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<v Speaker 1>We don't have those kind of pockets yet. Have you

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<v Speaker 1>even approached the game? Oh yeah we did, No, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we just sent just an email to saying, hey, we'd

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<v Speaker 1>love to have that name. I don't think you ever

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<v Speaker 1>got back to you any It's funny, not a hunting thing.

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<v Speaker 1>It's it's the same thing. He's like, oh yeah, looking

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<v Speaker 1>for a restaurant. He's hunting for a restaurant. Yeah. Be

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<v Speaker 1>like he's going to be like, I'll go by going

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<v Speaker 1>out to eat or I'll buy trying to find a

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<v Speaker 1>good restaurant dot com. And then you give me the

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<v Speaker 1>one you have because you obviously have the wrong one

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<v Speaker 1>because that's going out to dinner. That's funny, Yeah, out

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<v Speaker 1>to dinner. It would be a better at one for him.

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<v Speaker 1>There's so many stories, and this is the right group

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<v Speaker 1>of guys to know them all. But there's so many

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<v Speaker 1>stories about like people right when domain names, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the domain name buying games, like people who like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, he might want to be in the big

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<v Speaker 1>name in politics. Someday I'm gonna go buy his name.

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<v Speaker 1>You almost like, go get my kids names now in

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<v Speaker 1>case everyone have like a you know, if he comes

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<v Speaker 1>like a tree trimmer and wants to have like his name.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh So, speaking of that, but we were pretty fortunate

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<v Speaker 1>to uh I play the domain game. No, we got

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<v Speaker 1>fish and Wildlife dot org, which is nobody had that,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think somebody lapsed on it. And I was

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<v Speaker 1>on Go Daddy late at night one time when trying

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<v Speaker 1>to find fish and wildlife dot org no, and I

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<v Speaker 1>was putting in a whole bunch of random domain names

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<v Speaker 1>and Go Daddy and it's like, I don't even know

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<v Speaker 1>how I came to fish and wild life dot org

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<v Speaker 1>but put it in. It was like available hunter Bucks

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<v Speaker 1>and I was like, ham, that's kind of expensive, and

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<v Speaker 1>moved on to like search of other domains. And the

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<v Speaker 1>next morning I woke up and like texting one of

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<v Speaker 1>my buddies that's helped me with this, and I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>fishing wildife dot organs availables, Like you bought it, right,

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<v Speaker 1>And I was like no, he's like, dude, you're a moron. Yeah. Man,

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<v Speaker 1>So so we bought that domain name and that's what

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<v Speaker 1>we're using to promote the platform A two percent for conservation.

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<v Speaker 1>I figured if it doesn't work out, maybe we could

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<v Speaker 1>sell it domain name and somebody needs it. Yeah, now

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<v Speaker 1>the people know al right, so you launched ten days ago, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>who are your benefactors? So to mean who would you okay,

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<v Speaker 1>you aggregate the two percents? No? No? So yeah, So

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<v Speaker 1>so I don't know. I don't I wouldn't say benefactors

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<v Speaker 1>the word I would use, but I think that's appropriate.

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<v Speaker 1>So we aren't taking the money from companies that they're

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<v Speaker 1>giving back to conservation. Essentially, what our organization does a

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<v Speaker 1>certify that a company does meet certain criteria. Oh, I

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<v Speaker 1>got you. So so that is a common misconception I've

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<v Speaker 1>had with businesses. And but this is really what the

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<v Speaker 1>sending one percent of sales? Uh? But but to your point,

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<v Speaker 1>So this was an interesting learning that I had from

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<v Speaker 1>one percent for the planet, right, That's what I thought

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<v Speaker 1>when I started studying the model too. I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>huh so, how the hell are you going to distribute

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<v Speaker 1>those funds? How are you getting these companies to write

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<v Speaker 1>your check for one percent of sales? And and uh

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<v Speaker 1>and and I learned that No, that's not how it works.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean the companies, and this is a huge benefit

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<v Speaker 1>of the model, are empowered to work with the conservation groups.

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<v Speaker 1>They want to what what are you passionate about as

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<v Speaker 1>a company, who do you want to support or you

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<v Speaker 1>want to support the Rocky Mountain? Go to alliance back

0:23:14.200 --> 0:23:17.000
<v Speaker 1>country owners and anglers. We don't we don't care as

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<v Speaker 1>long as they are pro hunting and fishing conservation groups.

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<v Speaker 1>We just certify. Okay, did you contribute one percent of

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<v Speaker 1>sales to that and then one percent in your time?

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<v Speaker 1>So so I guess we should clarify that first it's

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<v Speaker 1>two percent for conservation. Is one percent of sales plus

0:23:31.200 --> 0:23:33.800
<v Speaker 1>one percent of time equals two percent for conservation. But

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<v Speaker 1>let's say they turned around, they're like, oh, yeah, we

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<v Speaker 1>gave it all the Humane Society r H s U S. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>Would you then say, well, that don't county of course.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's so that's part of what we do from

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<v Speaker 1>the certification is just we look at the criteria of Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>who would you who would you contribute funds to? Who

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<v Speaker 1>are those organizations? Make sure we have we have four

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<v Speaker 1>kind of bullet points for lack of a better term,

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<v Speaker 1>that kind of define conservation groups in our mind. Those

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<v Speaker 1>are the obvious and wildlife and habitat improvement, right, that's

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<v Speaker 1>kind of the most common one. Access and Opportunities one

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<v Speaker 1>of them which is hugely important wildlife and have to

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<v Speaker 1>be research and everything. That's research everything. Ye, um, what

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<v Speaker 1>are there are to education and outreach. So this is

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<v Speaker 1>teaching kids about conservation, about hunting and fishing, about how

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<v Speaker 1>it works. And then uh, hell's the fourth one? I say,

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<v Speaker 1>access an opportunity. Have to pull up the website to

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<v Speaker 1>figure out the fourth one wildlife habitat, access, opportunity, education, outreach.

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<v Speaker 1>Come on, man, good thing the website which which thinks

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<v Speaker 1>about all that? Chris, I'm into it, man, Like in

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<v Speaker 1>what way? Well, I'd like the like for the one

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<v Speaker 1>percent for the planet model that you're talking about, right,

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<v Speaker 1>Like I will as a consumer, and like a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of people I know will consciously go out and buy

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<v Speaker 1>products from brands that followed that model. Makes it feel

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit better, Yeah, it makes you feel good

0:24:59.560 --> 0:25:01.960
<v Speaker 1>about it. So like, if you're into hunting and fishing

0:25:01.960 --> 0:25:05.160
<v Speaker 1>and you don't really have like an outlet to donate

0:25:05.200 --> 0:25:07.280
<v Speaker 1>your money, like you're not gonna you know, or if

0:25:07.280 --> 0:25:09.200
<v Speaker 1>you're just some dude that works at a ski shop

0:25:09.280 --> 0:25:11.000
<v Speaker 1>or something or a fly shop, you're not gonna like

0:25:11.000 --> 0:25:14.800
<v Speaker 1>write a check to ex conservation group for whatever. But

0:25:14.960 --> 0:25:17.520
<v Speaker 1>if you go and buy a new jacket from whatever

0:25:17.600 --> 0:25:19.800
<v Speaker 1>company and you're like, oh, part of that went to

0:25:20.840 --> 0:25:25.080
<v Speaker 1>you know, funding conservation programs. You feel good about it. Chris,

0:25:25.160 --> 0:25:27.040
<v Speaker 1>is just safe say like you weren't like a big,

0:25:27.160 --> 0:25:30.639
<v Speaker 1>full balls hunting guy. No, man, no, it's safe to

0:25:30.680 --> 0:25:33.960
<v Speaker 1>say that I didn't. I never was. No, no, no,

0:25:34.000 --> 0:25:36.080
<v Speaker 1>he liked the angle. Yeah, I was an angler still

0:25:36.119 --> 0:25:39.200
<v Speaker 1>am what's your what was your angling back? I'm going

0:25:39.240 --> 0:25:40.800
<v Speaker 1>towards a question I have for you, But what's your

0:25:40.840 --> 0:25:44.840
<v Speaker 1>angland background? Well, same as mine, grew up in Michigan. Yeah,

0:25:45.000 --> 0:25:48.000
<v Speaker 1>a lot of like, you know, whatever's hitting a lot

0:25:48.040 --> 0:25:54.840
<v Speaker 1>of pipe whatever is you know, you guys go chase

0:25:54.880 --> 0:25:58.320
<v Speaker 1>the wild steelhead. We chase the steelhead. Oh yeah, I'm

0:25:58.680 --> 0:26:02.800
<v Speaker 1>sans fire rod though. Yeah, it was always drifting spawn

0:26:02.960 --> 0:26:05.560
<v Speaker 1>or waxworms. But do we fly fish for steel? But

0:26:05.800 --> 0:26:08.880
<v Speaker 1>we didn't really see that fly gear? Yeah, just fly

0:26:09.160 --> 0:26:11.640
<v Speaker 1>gear or just run running line and we with it's

0:26:11.640 --> 0:26:16.119
<v Speaker 1>a brand like Amnesia and run split shot in the

0:26:16.200 --> 0:26:18.960
<v Speaker 1>eighteen yars Leader and yes we'll fly on it. But

0:26:18.960 --> 0:26:20.600
<v Speaker 1>a lot of the spinning techle guys are running the

0:26:20.640 --> 0:26:23.159
<v Speaker 1>yarnball same thing. Yeah, you know you're hooking fish off

0:26:23.200 --> 0:26:25.440
<v Speaker 1>from under your boots all the time because you're just

0:26:25.480 --> 0:26:27.800
<v Speaker 1>staying on the edge of those deep assholes and runs

0:26:27.840 --> 0:26:29.560
<v Speaker 1>and just running it through there and act like your

0:26:29.560 --> 0:26:31.440
<v Speaker 1>fly fish, and it's like you could have put a

0:26:31.440 --> 0:26:33.720
<v Speaker 1>spinning reel on. And some guys get like high mighty

0:26:33.760 --> 0:26:35.840
<v Speaker 1>about it and they're like, oh no, I'm a fly guy.

0:26:35.840 --> 0:26:37.800
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, dude, we're essentially fishing the same gear and

0:26:38.119 --> 0:26:40.840
<v Speaker 1>a shamano reel. You have a sims like to today.

0:26:41.080 --> 0:26:42.840
<v Speaker 1>I saw sticking out of here in Bosman. I saw

0:26:42.920 --> 0:26:44.800
<v Speaker 1>sticking out of the back of a truck a rod

0:26:44.880 --> 0:26:48.680
<v Speaker 1>tipping a bober. Yeah. I'm like, what's funny, guys, what

0:26:48.760 --> 0:26:51.119
<v Speaker 1>the hell's the bobber fishing for? Right now? Bluegills? It's like,

0:26:51.160 --> 0:26:53.239
<v Speaker 1>just no bluegills on the beds around here. Anything There

0:26:53.400 --> 0:26:56.880
<v Speaker 1>is a fly rod with the strike in yeah, but yeah,

0:26:57.040 --> 0:27:01.480
<v Speaker 1>strike in bober. They've been selling those for a long time.

0:27:03.040 --> 0:27:05.080
<v Speaker 1>We had this conversation before. It was like it's a

0:27:05.160 --> 0:27:08.359
<v Speaker 1>strike indicator, you know. And I said before, like, yeah, well, okay,

0:27:08.440 --> 0:27:12.640
<v Speaker 1>so my kid uses one of those to indicate strikes.

0:27:12.960 --> 0:27:15.440
<v Speaker 1>What we call it is a bomber. That's what I

0:27:15.520 --> 0:27:17.560
<v Speaker 1>call it. Man. You know what used to really mess

0:27:17.640 --> 0:27:20.000
<v Speaker 1>up my client's heads when those when those what they

0:27:20.040 --> 0:27:24.760
<v Speaker 1>called uh thing about bobber's rights fisherman. The guy came out.

0:27:25.119 --> 0:27:26.600
<v Speaker 1>There's a guy that makes a product called a thing

0:27:26.960 --> 0:27:29.920
<v Speaker 1>bob which is a bomber. Yeah, it's a strike indicator

0:27:30.160 --> 0:27:32.720
<v Speaker 1>that looks like a bobber. It doesn't. It's like a

0:27:32.760 --> 0:27:37.359
<v Speaker 1>plastic It doesn't look like I have that. Is it

0:27:37.440 --> 0:27:40.119
<v Speaker 1>a plastic sphere? No, it's not plastic. It's like a

0:27:40.240 --> 0:27:44.080
<v Speaker 1>soft umlass. Its soft plastic has air and it but

0:27:44.080 --> 0:27:46.800
<v Speaker 1>it's completely sealed and it doesn't have a little uh

0:27:47.320 --> 0:27:49.800
<v Speaker 1>what do you call spring spring in the spring home?

0:27:50.280 --> 0:27:52.720
<v Speaker 1>You know, you gotta basically double up your leader, stick

0:27:52.760 --> 0:27:55.360
<v Speaker 1>it through the whole flip flip the leader over bull

0:27:55.480 --> 0:27:58.560
<v Speaker 1>tight you know that sounds like a breaking point to me. No,

0:27:58.640 --> 0:28:00.320
<v Speaker 1>because you're doing it way at the leader. You know

0:28:00.400 --> 0:28:04.399
<v Speaker 1>you're test. But people got used and they come in

0:28:04.440 --> 0:28:06.760
<v Speaker 1>all kinds of colors, but they're all like one solid

0:28:06.880 --> 0:28:08.960
<v Speaker 1>color and you can slide it up and down. Yeah

0:28:09.160 --> 0:28:11.639
<v Speaker 1>at yeah, you just move that loop out, move out

0:28:11.640 --> 0:28:14.760
<v Speaker 1>wherever you want, put the loop back over. People got

0:28:14.880 --> 0:28:16.800
<v Speaker 1>used to fishing those and because they were just one

0:28:16.880 --> 0:28:19.879
<v Speaker 1>solid color, they kind of look different. You know, They're like,

0:28:20.000 --> 0:28:22.800
<v Speaker 1>it's my strike indicator. So they came out with white

0:28:22.840 --> 0:28:26.080
<v Speaker 1>ones I took the white ones and some red marker

0:28:29.480 --> 0:28:32.120
<v Speaker 1>freaking it would mess with those fly fish in mind

0:28:32.200 --> 0:28:34.320
<v Speaker 1>and be like, really, you don't have like a pink

0:28:34.400 --> 0:28:38.959
<v Speaker 1>one or a green one? Like yeah, they didn't want

0:28:39.000 --> 0:28:42.640
<v Speaker 1>to admit that's exactly what it is. And by the way,

0:28:42.680 --> 0:28:45.200
<v Speaker 1>we had a San Juan worm hanging underneath it, you know,

0:28:45.880 --> 0:28:51.000
<v Speaker 1>calling you were you were matching, you were matching something

0:28:51.120 --> 0:28:53.080
<v Speaker 1>those fish have never laid eyes on, which is a

0:28:53.200 --> 0:28:55.640
<v Speaker 1>red worm. It just gave me a smile every time

0:28:55.680 --> 0:28:59.360
<v Speaker 1>I look over off the oars and be like, I

0:29:00.000 --> 0:29:02.400
<v Speaker 1>I've done it. I've spent many hours fishing that way,

0:29:02.560 --> 0:29:07.640
<v Speaker 1>and I, yeah, you don't like you know what we

0:29:07.720 --> 0:29:09.640
<v Speaker 1>would call it? I struck a happy me. A lot

0:29:09.680 --> 0:29:11.360
<v Speaker 1>of guys call it. I was like, I can't call

0:29:11.400 --> 0:29:14.640
<v Speaker 1>it a strike indicator because that's just you know, that's

0:29:14.680 --> 0:29:17.960
<v Speaker 1>like mental masturbation. But someone isn't like a bob or either.

0:29:18.000 --> 0:29:20.920
<v Speaker 1>We would call the float, yeah, because we use them

0:29:20.960 --> 0:29:24.000
<v Speaker 1>for steal a lot. A float with a stick, which

0:29:24.040 --> 0:29:26.720
<v Speaker 1>is just like ice fishing. You'd call that a bomber.

0:29:26.920 --> 0:29:29.400
<v Speaker 1>Same rig up. What do they call the bomber that

0:29:29.480 --> 0:29:33.000
<v Speaker 1>you put that uh water into to fish off spinning

0:29:33.040 --> 0:29:35.120
<v Speaker 1>reel so you can actually throw a weight. Let's fly

0:29:35.560 --> 0:29:37.120
<v Speaker 1>I'm talking about. Yeah, but I don't know what. I

0:29:37.480 --> 0:29:38.920
<v Speaker 1>know him and I've owned them, but I don't know

0:29:38.960 --> 0:29:40.640
<v Speaker 1>what they called. Have no idea. I've never used us.

0:29:41.200 --> 0:29:44.480
<v Speaker 1>And you know what I was driving at. You first

0:29:44.520 --> 0:29:47.760
<v Speaker 1>came out and worked with this win September September last year. Yeah.

0:29:49.720 --> 0:29:51.040
<v Speaker 1>Do you feel like you've gotten like a kind of

0:29:51.080 --> 0:29:55.040
<v Speaker 1>a crash course and a bunch of hunting related business? Oh? Yeah, man, Yeah,

0:29:55.040 --> 0:29:57.200
<v Speaker 1>I feel like I learned a lot. Yeah. What's the

0:29:57.240 --> 0:30:00.120
<v Speaker 1>business thing about all that? She's into it, man, she's

0:30:00.120 --> 0:30:03.240
<v Speaker 1>supportive of it. She like kind of hates my job

0:30:03.280 --> 0:30:05.520
<v Speaker 1>because of the travel. I can imagine, but she's in.

0:30:05.640 --> 0:30:07.760
<v Speaker 1>You don't say, you'll say being going all the time

0:30:07.840 --> 0:30:12.800
<v Speaker 1>costs little stress? Who heard of such a thing. Yeah,

0:30:12.920 --> 0:30:15.040
<v Speaker 1>she likes she likes it. She likes it because I

0:30:15.120 --> 0:30:18.160
<v Speaker 1>don't have to like go to super dangerous places. Now

0:30:18.600 --> 0:30:20.640
<v Speaker 1>you know she just got back from the Congo. Yeah,

0:30:20.800 --> 0:30:26.040
<v Speaker 1>but that's not like that. That is like like that

0:30:26.200 --> 0:30:28.880
<v Speaker 1>is like if you worked in Afghanistan, Yeah, you work

0:30:28.920 --> 0:30:32.000
<v Speaker 1>in the Congo. Yeah, you work in Iraq? Yeah, what's

0:30:32.040 --> 0:30:36.000
<v Speaker 1>a dangerous place? I would say more I would say Afghanistan,

0:30:37.240 --> 0:30:42.000
<v Speaker 1>well Detroit, Yeah, but Detroit, yeah, definitely. So she likes

0:30:42.040 --> 0:30:46.440
<v Speaker 1>this better than Afghanistan. Yeah, grizzly bears to her safer

0:30:46.680 --> 0:30:50.760
<v Speaker 1>than yeah, we bears. Right, that's good because most people don't.

0:30:50.840 --> 0:30:54.840
<v Speaker 1>Most people think that bears. Most people think bears are dangerous,

0:30:56.360 --> 0:30:59.880
<v Speaker 1>which they are, but it's still Ye, they're not gonna

0:31:02.320 --> 0:31:05.280
<v Speaker 1>there's so much. This is the thing I wanted to

0:31:06.080 --> 0:31:07.320
<v Speaker 1>Let's come back to the barrier things I want to

0:31:07.920 --> 0:31:15.320
<v Speaker 1>thing alright, So, um, two per separate conservation. They picked

0:31:15.360 --> 0:31:19.440
<v Speaker 1>the group, you certify the group. Now what's the thing

0:31:19.520 --> 0:31:23.280
<v Speaker 1>you need most right now? Do you need businesses to

0:31:23.360 --> 0:31:27.960
<v Speaker 1>go to percent? So you need customers to prioritize buying

0:31:28.000 --> 0:31:30.880
<v Speaker 1>a two percent? So we need both. I think that

0:31:31.080 --> 0:31:34.720
<v Speaker 1>are our strategies we need. We need customers to value

0:31:34.880 --> 0:31:37.760
<v Speaker 1>what we're doing, because that's gonna make it. That's gonna

0:31:37.800 --> 0:31:40.560
<v Speaker 1>make businesses understand and realize the importance of becoming a member.

0:31:41.320 --> 0:31:43.680
<v Speaker 1>But um, but there are a lot of businesses that

0:31:44.000 --> 0:31:47.120
<v Speaker 1>already meet the criteria, that are already volunteering time, that

0:31:47.160 --> 0:31:50.120
<v Speaker 1>are already given back one percent of sales. So so

0:31:50.200 --> 0:31:53.840
<v Speaker 1>our strategies to go find those businesses, uh and talk

0:31:53.920 --> 0:31:56.920
<v Speaker 1>to them about what we're trying to do, uh and

0:31:57.080 --> 0:31:59.080
<v Speaker 1>see if they believe in the models. Hey, hey, if

0:31:59.080 --> 0:32:02.720
<v Speaker 1>you had this converse station internally about marketing what we

0:32:02.760 --> 0:32:05.880
<v Speaker 1>do for conservation, right, and what would be their argument

0:32:05.920 --> 0:32:08.520
<v Speaker 1>against it? Well, there's no argument necessarily against it. But

0:32:08.640 --> 0:32:11.000
<v Speaker 1>your your business trying to sell products. That's your first

0:32:11.080 --> 0:32:13.560
<v Speaker 1>that's where you're focusing. But know, in your case, you're

0:32:13.560 --> 0:32:16.720
<v Speaker 1>saying there already because there's a lot of companies, particularly

0:32:16.760 --> 0:32:19.200
<v Speaker 1>smaller companies I know about, they are already doing that.

0:32:19.280 --> 0:32:21.920
<v Speaker 1>That's right. So so what would be there? What would

0:32:21.920 --> 0:32:23.400
<v Speaker 1>be a reason they would have to not be like

0:32:23.560 --> 0:32:25.480
<v Speaker 1>yes unless they just want they didn't want to be

0:32:25.600 --> 0:32:27.520
<v Speaker 1>part of something that could hopefully They don't have very

0:32:27.560 --> 0:32:30.400
<v Speaker 1>many reasons not to say yes, unless it was paranoid.

0:32:30.480 --> 0:32:32.560
<v Speaker 1>Our model is unproven, so there's some risk and like

0:32:32.720 --> 0:32:35.959
<v Speaker 1>tying your brand with with our brand, that's not you mean,

0:32:36.040 --> 0:32:38.760
<v Speaker 1>you don't know what I'm gonna go do something stupid

0:32:38.800 --> 0:32:41.480
<v Speaker 1>on with how we market our brand or something. But

0:32:41.520 --> 0:32:43.560
<v Speaker 1>you don't have any chance to really do anything bad

0:32:43.560 --> 0:32:45.760
<v Speaker 1>because they're not sending you like like I thought earlier,

0:32:45.760 --> 0:32:47.440
<v Speaker 1>they're not sending you the money that it turns out

0:32:47.520 --> 0:32:51.080
<v Speaker 1>you embezzled it. Yeah, so it's low risk to answer

0:32:51.080 --> 0:32:52.960
<v Speaker 1>your question. For companies are already doing it, this is

0:32:53.040 --> 0:32:55.160
<v Speaker 1>just another way for them. It's a it's a multiplier

0:32:55.200 --> 0:32:58.000
<v Speaker 1>effect on their investment. Right So, you're working with b

0:32:58.280 --> 0:33:00.480
<v Speaker 1>h A or so company working with b J they're

0:33:00.560 --> 0:33:03.640
<v Speaker 1>not only are they given you exposure for your sponsorship

0:33:03.680 --> 0:33:06.040
<v Speaker 1>and your dollars, right, this is another way for those

0:33:06.120 --> 0:33:08.560
<v Speaker 1>same dollars don't have to invest any more to get

0:33:08.680 --> 0:33:12.920
<v Speaker 1>more more recognition for it. Right so, so hopefully so

0:33:13.040 --> 0:33:14.600
<v Speaker 1>that's kind of our goal the gates to start talking

0:33:14.640 --> 0:33:17.200
<v Speaker 1>to these conservation minded companies out of the gate. But

0:33:17.280 --> 0:33:19.640
<v Speaker 1>the real goal and the real long term win is

0:33:19.720 --> 0:33:22.800
<v Speaker 1>if we could prove that value, right as I want

0:33:22.840 --> 0:33:25.600
<v Speaker 1>companies who aren't currently working with conservation groups, who aren't

0:33:25.600 --> 0:33:28.240
<v Speaker 1>investing one percent to see that value and then and

0:33:28.400 --> 0:33:31.280
<v Speaker 1>come asking like, shoot, man, I want to do that too,

0:33:31.880 --> 0:33:34.239
<v Speaker 1>How do I get involved? And we can say, well,

0:33:34.360 --> 0:33:36.720
<v Speaker 1>what do you care about? Go in public land access? Yeah,

0:33:36.760 --> 0:33:37.800
<v Speaker 1>go talk to the guys at b h A and

0:33:37.840 --> 0:33:40.280
<v Speaker 1>see what we can do. And that's when incremental dollars

0:33:40.320 --> 0:33:42.400
<v Speaker 1>will come to conservation. And that's really when the model

0:33:42.520 --> 0:33:45.480
<v Speaker 1>is is effective at doing what it what we hope

0:33:45.520 --> 0:33:47.400
<v Speaker 1>that it can do. So when you go on pitches

0:33:47.440 --> 0:33:49.080
<v Speaker 1>to a company, you go and talk to the marketing

0:33:49.120 --> 0:33:51.320
<v Speaker 1>guy at the company, talk to whoever I can talk

0:33:51.360 --> 0:33:54.240
<v Speaker 1>to first. But but yeah, the marketing guys usually the

0:33:54.280 --> 0:33:55.880
<v Speaker 1>guy the guy out of it because it's like a

0:33:55.960 --> 0:33:58.160
<v Speaker 1>marketing thing. It's something in it for you. Yeah, it's

0:33:58.200 --> 0:34:00.440
<v Speaker 1>a marketing investment the way most companies look. Yeah, Yanni's

0:34:00.440 --> 0:34:02.720
<v Speaker 1>t shirt company recently sold a bunch of T shirts

0:34:02.760 --> 0:34:04.960
<v Speaker 1>and gave the money all the way there you go,

0:34:05.160 --> 0:34:07.320
<v Speaker 1>which someone might look and be like, dude, that's stupid

0:34:07.360 --> 0:34:14.520
<v Speaker 1>way to run a t shirt business. Probably not, so

0:34:14.840 --> 0:34:16.719
<v Speaker 1>you might think, like, man, you got it all wrong

0:34:18.000 --> 0:34:20.839
<v Speaker 1>what they really do in business because they keep all

0:34:20.880 --> 0:34:24.000
<v Speaker 1>that money. But you were thinking marketing sure, as much

0:34:24.040 --> 0:34:25.759
<v Speaker 1>as you were thinking trying to do like you know

0:34:25.840 --> 0:34:30.920
<v Speaker 1>when Yeah, so I think I think this model hopefully

0:34:31.040 --> 0:34:33.080
<v Speaker 1>for something like that. Right, Like, there's a there's a

0:34:33.120 --> 0:34:37.480
<v Speaker 1>marketing investment for what? How how conservation groups have evolved

0:34:37.560 --> 0:34:41.600
<v Speaker 1>right as they offer sponsorships to companies as a fundraising

0:34:41.640 --> 0:34:43.800
<v Speaker 1>mechanism for them, and that that really is a marketing

0:34:43.800 --> 0:34:45.640
<v Speaker 1>investment for business. I don't understand what that means. So

0:34:45.680 --> 0:34:47.400
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. You can go become the corporate sponsor

0:34:47.440 --> 0:34:49.680
<v Speaker 1>of vh A or army, or you can work or whatever.

0:34:49.680 --> 0:34:52.560
<v Speaker 1>You can buy advertising their magazine. You can as a business.

0:34:53.200 --> 0:34:55.840
<v Speaker 1>You're not just writing a check to these conservation groups

0:34:56.400 --> 0:34:59.680
<v Speaker 1>without expecting anything in return. Right. How how that models

0:34:59.719 --> 0:35:01.879
<v Speaker 1>evolve of how they raise money is as they offer

0:35:01.920 --> 0:35:04.719
<v Speaker 1>you something in return for your contribution. Right. So so

0:35:04.800 --> 0:35:06.760
<v Speaker 1>it's a marketing investment, right, and this is just another

0:35:06.800 --> 0:35:09.640
<v Speaker 1>way to leverage that investment. So that that was an

0:35:09.680 --> 0:35:12.880
<v Speaker 1>interesting point where you saying, let's let's say you have

0:35:13.000 --> 0:35:16.480
<v Speaker 1>a conservation organization that does the publication well, keeps that

0:35:16.560 --> 0:35:20.160
<v Speaker 1>publication alive and drives membership for that conservation organization and

0:35:20.239 --> 0:35:24.080
<v Speaker 1>allows them to advertise. Yeah, it's like the people advertise

0:35:24.320 --> 0:35:27.880
<v Speaker 1>in that magazine. So a company that is buying ads

0:35:28.440 --> 0:35:32.319
<v Speaker 1>in a place in support of a conservation organization, that's

0:35:32.360 --> 0:35:34.840
<v Speaker 1>a conservation spend on their part. Hell yeah, it is

0:35:34.960 --> 0:35:37.800
<v Speaker 1>that that that conservation group depends on those funds to

0:35:38.000 --> 0:35:40.960
<v Speaker 1>execute their mission work fundraising, and that's a recruitment tool,

0:35:42.040 --> 0:35:45.120
<v Speaker 1>way to seminate information totally. Yeah, I mean going to uh,

0:35:45.719 --> 0:35:48.359
<v Speaker 1>the wild Chief Foundation is a good example, right, buying

0:35:48.400 --> 0:35:51.440
<v Speaker 1>a booth at their show and exhibiting at their Showy,

0:35:51.600 --> 0:35:53.920
<v Speaker 1>they'd have that show to raise money and awareness for

0:35:53.960 --> 0:35:56.440
<v Speaker 1>their brand. That's important for them executing their mission work

0:35:56.560 --> 0:35:59.520
<v Speaker 1>raising funds. So so going to work with them, miss,

0:35:59.719 --> 0:36:03.040
<v Speaker 1>that's a contribution to conservation. That's important. So would you

0:36:03.160 --> 0:36:07.960
<v Speaker 1>pick your uh, would you picture that a fella is

0:36:08.000 --> 0:36:10.319
<v Speaker 1>gonna go like, a fella is going to go make

0:36:10.360 --> 0:36:15.120
<v Speaker 1>a purchase. They would go check on your They would

0:36:15.120 --> 0:36:17.520
<v Speaker 1>go check on on Fish and Wildlife dot org and

0:36:17.719 --> 0:36:18.920
<v Speaker 1>be like, oh, you know, if I'm gonna do this,

0:36:19.120 --> 0:36:22.279
<v Speaker 1>maybe I'll do it at a at a group that's pledged. Sure,

0:36:22.360 --> 0:36:25.160
<v Speaker 1>I hope that that they can do that. Check the website.

0:36:25.239 --> 0:36:28.440
<v Speaker 1>But you know the way that the model gives companies

0:36:28.480 --> 0:36:30.960
<v Speaker 1>flexibility to leverage it how they want, Right, So I

0:36:31.000 --> 0:36:33.000
<v Speaker 1>would hope that a guy's going to buy Ammo right

0:36:33.160 --> 0:36:36.759
<v Speaker 1>at Sports and Warehouse and he's going looking at the

0:36:36.880 --> 0:36:40.080
<v Speaker 1>giant wall of freaking boxes Ammo, and he's sitting there

0:36:40.120 --> 0:36:42.160
<v Speaker 1>looking at the two seventy and there's a box of

0:36:42.239 --> 0:36:45.040
<v Speaker 1>Federal with a little two percent for Conservation logo on it,

0:36:45.360 --> 0:36:47.960
<v Speaker 1>and there's a box of whatever Rimington that doesn't have

0:36:48.040 --> 0:36:50.600
<v Speaker 1>a logo on it. Hopefully, if we're doing our job

0:36:50.719 --> 0:36:52.680
<v Speaker 1>right getting our brand out there and recognition or right

0:36:52.719 --> 0:36:55.520
<v Speaker 1>with the consumer, he'll see that and know that, you know,

0:36:55.719 --> 0:36:58.040
<v Speaker 1>a percentage of that purchase is gonna go back to conservation.

0:36:58.120 --> 0:37:00.840
<v Speaker 1>He'll buy that federal AMMO rather than whatever else. And

0:37:00.960 --> 0:37:03.440
<v Speaker 1>that's kind of the the end goal and that consumers

0:37:03.719 --> 0:37:10.160
<v Speaker 1>with you. Uh two more questions, maybe more what um,

0:37:11.040 --> 0:37:14.080
<v Speaker 1>what's in it for you? Like? Why are you doing this? Nothing?

0:37:15.400 --> 0:37:20.080
<v Speaker 1>I kind of thought that you weren't getting the checks.

0:37:20.280 --> 0:37:26.400
<v Speaker 1>I was like, no, uh, you know. So, So my background,

0:37:26.440 --> 0:37:29.840
<v Speaker 1>I work in the hunting industry for for for sika

0:37:30.280 --> 0:37:33.160
<v Speaker 1>Um who sells clothing, hunting clothing, and I just sales

0:37:33.200 --> 0:37:34.719
<v Speaker 1>and market. I've I've been with them for a long

0:37:34.840 --> 0:37:38.759
<v Speaker 1>time and and we've always internally talked about this, this

0:37:39.320 --> 0:37:42.320
<v Speaker 1>opportunity to talk about what we do for conservation and

0:37:42.400 --> 0:37:44.239
<v Speaker 1>struggle with how we do it. And then so part

0:37:44.280 --> 0:37:46.120
<v Speaker 1>of my job at sick As I work with all

0:37:46.160 --> 0:37:48.800
<v Speaker 1>the conservation groups that that we have partnerships with, and

0:37:48.840 --> 0:37:52.040
<v Speaker 1>I've gotten to develop lots of relationships there and learn

0:37:52.040 --> 0:37:54.400
<v Speaker 1>about how they function and the challenges they have and

0:37:55.120 --> 0:37:57.759
<v Speaker 1>the challenges they have from fundraising and and kind of

0:37:57.800 --> 0:38:00.319
<v Speaker 1>those two perspectives. This just kind of hit me one

0:38:00.360 --> 0:38:02.680
<v Speaker 1>time and it's like ship man, that we could do

0:38:02.840 --> 0:38:06.200
<v Speaker 1>something here to make this easier for both parties, right,

0:38:06.360 --> 0:38:09.080
<v Speaker 1>And so I just started working on nights and weekends

0:38:09.080 --> 0:38:11.080
<v Speaker 1>and it's kind of it's kind of come to this.

0:38:11.239 --> 0:38:15.680
<v Speaker 1>So so really, I'm married, I got two kids, kids

0:38:15.960 --> 0:38:20.680
<v Speaker 1>six and three, well three and two weeks um. And

0:38:20.760 --> 0:38:23.800
<v Speaker 1>then two percent. It's not two percent of profits, don't

0:38:24.480 --> 0:38:27.200
<v Speaker 1>it's it's actually it's one percent of sales, one percent

0:38:27.280 --> 0:38:30.960
<v Speaker 1>of sales, and it's one percent of time, which is

0:38:31.239 --> 0:38:34.320
<v Speaker 1>uh which we've based off of roughly two thousand and

0:38:34.360 --> 0:38:36.560
<v Speaker 1>eighty work hours in the year, right, so twenty one hours,

0:38:37.120 --> 0:38:38.800
<v Speaker 1>and that's not per individual at the company, that's just

0:38:38.880 --> 0:38:41.480
<v Speaker 1>company wide. We want you to commit to, you know,

0:38:41.760 --> 0:38:44.400
<v Speaker 1>twenty one hours going back to volunteer work and that

0:38:44.480 --> 0:38:48.160
<v Speaker 1>could be sell raffle tickets at a banquet, sitting on

0:38:48.239 --> 0:38:51.920
<v Speaker 1>a board, doing a river cleanup project. We just want

0:38:51.960 --> 0:38:53.719
<v Speaker 1>you to do more than write a check. Right. That's

0:38:54.400 --> 0:38:56.319
<v Speaker 1>I shouldn't say it's easy to write checks, right, because

0:38:56.360 --> 0:38:59.440
<v Speaker 1>that's not easy. But anybody company can essentially write a check,

0:38:59.560 --> 0:39:01.759
<v Speaker 1>but can you can you show commitment beyond right and

0:39:01.920 --> 0:39:08.080
<v Speaker 1>check and go out and foster that that volunteerism with times. Yeah,

0:39:08.160 --> 0:39:10.000
<v Speaker 1>you know, And and that was a learning that I

0:39:10.080 --> 0:39:12.840
<v Speaker 1>had when when pitching this model, getting feedback to conservation

0:39:12.880 --> 0:39:15.480
<v Speaker 1>groups are like, yeah, money is really important, but to

0:39:15.520 --> 0:39:17.520
<v Speaker 1>a lot of them, arguably time is more important than

0:39:17.560 --> 0:39:19.719
<v Speaker 1>the money. Like we need voluntelunteer time. Yeah, we need

0:39:19.800 --> 0:39:23.279
<v Speaker 1>volunteers to help us execute that the actual conservation work

0:39:23.360 --> 0:39:25.520
<v Speaker 1>that we're trying to do. So so yeah, so that's

0:39:25.520 --> 0:39:27.040
<v Speaker 1>how you get to it's one percent of sales plus

0:39:27.120 --> 0:39:28.919
<v Speaker 1>one percent of time. And that's that's where our naming

0:39:28.960 --> 0:39:31.640
<v Speaker 1>convention comes to two percent for a conservation. So like

0:39:31.719 --> 0:39:35.640
<v Speaker 1>if if if a listener like, what's your call to action? Man,

0:39:35.680 --> 0:39:36.840
<v Speaker 1>if you have to give a call act, like, what

0:39:36.920 --> 0:39:39.759
<v Speaker 1>do you need most right now to happen? We need

0:39:40.200 --> 0:39:44.040
<v Speaker 1>we need people to uh to communicate to the businesses

0:39:44.080 --> 0:39:45.879
<v Speaker 1>of the brands that they love the products they want

0:39:45.880 --> 0:39:48.520
<v Speaker 1>to buy, that this is valuable to them. So I

0:39:48.640 --> 0:39:51.600
<v Speaker 1>want a guy that that loves that's a die hard

0:39:51.640 --> 0:39:53.520
<v Speaker 1>Matthews guy, loves to shoot Matthews pose, that's all he

0:39:53.600 --> 0:39:55.480
<v Speaker 1>wants to say, Hey, man, why aren't you guys give

0:39:55.520 --> 0:39:58.759
<v Speaker 1>the back one percent to conservation? Why aren't you volunteering time?

0:39:59.080 --> 0:40:00.960
<v Speaker 1>You should be a member of the YEP. And if

0:40:01.040 --> 0:40:04.080
<v Speaker 1>some dude is out there, you know, stitching up uh

0:40:05.320 --> 0:40:08.560
<v Speaker 1>backpacks out of his of his garage and selling them

0:40:08.640 --> 0:40:12.040
<v Speaker 1>like he could heck yeah man. Yeah. So so there's

0:40:12.480 --> 0:40:14.120
<v Speaker 1>a cool thing too where I think there's lots of

0:40:14.200 --> 0:40:16.800
<v Speaker 1>opportunity for for non dimmit companies. Like it's not just

0:40:16.920 --> 0:40:20.000
<v Speaker 1>hunting fishing companies, right, that's obviously where there's the most

0:40:20.080 --> 0:40:22.960
<v Speaker 1>direct correlation. But but a guy that owns a construction

0:40:23.000 --> 0:40:26.440
<v Speaker 1>company that's just a passionate hunter, right, ship that construction

0:40:26.440 --> 0:40:28.439
<v Speaker 1>company could be a member too. He should They should

0:40:28.440 --> 0:40:31.160
<v Speaker 1>be contributing a conservation or or whatever it is. So

0:40:32.200 --> 0:40:33.360
<v Speaker 1>so there's a lot of I think there's a lot

0:40:33.400 --> 0:40:35.239
<v Speaker 1>of opportunity when you start looking at the world of

0:40:35.360 --> 0:40:39.480
<v Speaker 1>businesses outside of just hunting fishing companies too, which is exciting.

0:40:40.160 --> 0:40:43.200
<v Speaker 1>There you have it fishing wildlift out org or if

0:40:43.239 --> 0:40:48.480
<v Speaker 1>you know how to spell that, good to for conservation,

0:40:48.520 --> 0:40:51.400
<v Speaker 1>but yeah, fishing wildlife out orgus. That's your favor that

0:40:51.560 --> 0:40:54.520
<v Speaker 1>that's easier to remember. That's that's my domain name. Win

0:40:54.840 --> 0:41:01.360
<v Speaker 1>for the year. Beat was it you? Yeah, your hand? Okay,

0:41:01.440 --> 0:41:04.919
<v Speaker 1>well let's do this though, let's do this two percent

0:41:04.960 --> 0:41:07.160
<v Speaker 1>for conservation. Do you have concluding thoughts about two percent

0:41:07.200 --> 0:41:11.920
<v Speaker 1>for conservation? We do have something I can say about it.

0:41:11.960 --> 0:41:17.200
<v Speaker 1>I don't. It's like, don't, don't waste our time. I'm

0:41:17.239 --> 0:41:19.200
<v Speaker 1>just glad to hear that. Yeah, you guys are like

0:41:19.400 --> 0:41:21.480
<v Speaker 1>really trying to get out, you know, get out of

0:41:21.640 --> 0:41:23.400
<v Speaker 1>just the hunting and fishing industry, cause I think that

0:41:23.440 --> 0:41:26.840
<v Speaker 1>will help raise awareness of what the hunting fishing industry

0:41:26.920 --> 0:41:29.800
<v Speaker 1>does already and just get more people in on the

0:41:30.160 --> 0:41:33.319
<v Speaker 1>conservation boat. You know, you could make it. You could

0:41:33.320 --> 0:41:35.359
<v Speaker 1>already be because you could take and look at all

0:41:35.400 --> 0:41:37.360
<v Speaker 1>the money you gave away off the T shirts you

0:41:37.440 --> 0:41:47.120
<v Speaker 1>gave away, Like he's like, yeah, the volunteer time. No,

0:41:47.360 --> 0:41:49.920
<v Speaker 1>you know what you've done. The money was well, you

0:41:50.000 --> 0:41:53.680
<v Speaker 1>got the volunteer time, man, you know the volunteer time.

0:41:53.719 --> 0:41:55.840
<v Speaker 1>It's gonna be interesting when we go talk to businesses

0:41:55.960 --> 0:41:58.719
<v Speaker 1>that you know, that might be hard, That might be

0:41:58.760 --> 0:42:01.400
<v Speaker 1>the hardest thing. Sure that we find out that that

0:42:01.520 --> 0:42:03.440
<v Speaker 1>we do, which which is good. I think it. We

0:42:03.520 --> 0:42:04.879
<v Speaker 1>don't want it to be easy to be a member

0:42:04.920 --> 0:42:07.880
<v Speaker 1>of this right people you don't want people makes it

0:42:07.960 --> 0:42:11.040
<v Speaker 1>more valuable firm businesses right, because it's a commitment. It's

0:42:11.040 --> 0:42:13.000
<v Speaker 1>hard to do. You'd be like, well, if I drank

0:42:13.040 --> 0:42:15.120
<v Speaker 1>all night at a Duck's unlimited thing, does that count

0:42:15.120 --> 0:42:19.600
<v Speaker 1>of volunteer time? You got any concluding thoughts about that? Chris,

0:42:19.640 --> 0:42:21.080
<v Speaker 1>you already kind of told us about what you thought

0:42:21.080 --> 0:42:26.440
<v Speaker 1>about it. Yeah, help me do it. Um. Chris's real

0:42:26.560 --> 0:42:31.520
<v Speaker 1>name is Ridge Pounder. It's not my birth certificate because

0:42:31.760 --> 0:42:36.600
<v Speaker 1>this man um is. You know, I talked about Duncan

0:42:36.600 --> 0:42:41.400
<v Speaker 1>Gil Chris being an accidental uh good writer. Chris is

0:42:41.440 --> 0:42:48.719
<v Speaker 1>an accidental good higbelievable lucky dude. Attitude and stamina. I

0:42:48.800 --> 0:42:51.120
<v Speaker 1>think it's just attitude, man. I think it's not even

0:42:51.200 --> 0:42:54.120
<v Speaker 1>that you're hurting deep down, like not in pain, but

0:42:54.280 --> 0:42:56.719
<v Speaker 1>like I get winded, you know, I'm not like just

0:42:56.960 --> 0:42:59.879
<v Speaker 1>you're always just right there. He's always just right there.

0:43:00.000 --> 0:43:02.320
<v Speaker 1>About that? So much is that that attitude can almost

0:43:02.360 --> 0:43:04.279
<v Speaker 1>in the end trump the stamina because you can take

0:43:04.360 --> 0:43:06.520
<v Speaker 1>two guys and look at him and look at their

0:43:06.600 --> 0:43:08.479
<v Speaker 1>stats in the gym and be like that dude's gonna

0:43:08.480 --> 0:43:11.759
<v Speaker 1>crush that dude. But the guy that's like looks like

0:43:11.920 --> 0:43:14.480
<v Speaker 1>he's the gym rat. Might not have the good attitude

0:43:14.520 --> 0:43:18.080
<v Speaker 1>and those long days on ridges and on trails, attitude

0:43:18.200 --> 0:43:22.839
<v Speaker 1>really just takes you home. Long smiles, makes a short

0:43:22.920 --> 0:43:27.040
<v Speaker 1>mile and yeah, big smile on Rich Pounder's face all

0:43:27.080 --> 0:43:29.959
<v Speaker 1>the time, like you're having fun, Dude, I am having

0:43:30.080 --> 0:43:33.520
<v Speaker 1>fun even when I'm like, dude, did you run ahead lately?

0:43:33.560 --> 0:43:35.680
<v Speaker 1>And get that coming on? Shot? I haven't seen you

0:43:35.800 --> 0:43:38.600
<v Speaker 1>up ahead of us lately. And then I'll go ahead

0:43:40.320 --> 0:43:42.160
<v Speaker 1>the Um, but he's ready, you mean, he's ready to

0:43:42.200 --> 0:43:44.160
<v Speaker 1>run up and do it. Yeah, so what I've been

0:43:44.200 --> 0:43:45.560
<v Speaker 1>telling him, and that this is the second time I

0:43:45.600 --> 0:43:49.560
<v Speaker 1>brought this up today, becauase worked today? Um, you're not

0:43:49.680 --> 0:43:55.680
<v Speaker 1>that old. Yeah, you Here's what I'm afraid that you're doing.

0:43:56.719 --> 0:43:58.799
<v Speaker 1>I'm afraid that you just think that you're just gonna

0:43:59.520 --> 0:44:03.040
<v Speaker 1>go on him through life, slicking up and down hills

0:44:03.080 --> 0:44:06.600
<v Speaker 1>like a grease hog without putting any investment in. And

0:44:06.719 --> 0:44:09.879
<v Speaker 1>I think you might be at the apex of when

0:44:09.960 --> 0:44:13.320
<v Speaker 1>I can do if you go on just thinking that

0:44:13.400 --> 0:44:16.600
<v Speaker 1>that's how you are. Dude. You know, I've been having

0:44:16.640 --> 0:44:19.000
<v Speaker 1>that attitude I think for most of my life of like,

0:44:19.200 --> 0:44:22.239
<v Speaker 1>oh yeah, it's fine, but I think you're right. I

0:44:22.360 --> 0:44:24.920
<v Speaker 1>just gotta hit it. But what do I do? I live,

0:44:25.200 --> 0:44:27.480
<v Speaker 1>I live in flatland. Man. I think he's got ten

0:44:27.520 --> 0:44:30.920
<v Speaker 1>more good years. I don't know, but that's not that

0:44:31.040 --> 0:44:35.239
<v Speaker 1>long once you're there, when you listen, when you've been

0:44:35.280 --> 0:44:40.160
<v Speaker 1>alive ten more years, Yeah, when you've been alive ten

0:44:40.280 --> 0:44:43.880
<v Speaker 1>more years, you'll still be younger in me, which is insane.

0:44:45.800 --> 0:44:47.399
<v Speaker 1>I don't know what the hell point I was trying

0:44:47.400 --> 0:44:49.279
<v Speaker 1>to make. I was trying to make the opposite point.

0:44:49.800 --> 0:44:52.520
<v Speaker 1>He'll be my age. That's what I'm saying, because I

0:44:52.640 --> 0:44:55.279
<v Speaker 1>really everybody keeps telling you know, it's been telling me

0:44:55.360 --> 0:44:58.600
<v Speaker 1>for ten years. My tablan's gonna slow down, You're gonna

0:44:58.719 --> 0:45:01.840
<v Speaker 1>get beer gut yettata YadA. Well, now, just in the

0:45:01.960 --> 0:45:06.640
<v Speaker 1>last year, I really am like, man, watch what you're

0:45:06.680 --> 0:45:10.120
<v Speaker 1>not getting a beer gut no, but drinking beer. You

0:45:10.160 --> 0:45:13.880
<v Speaker 1>haven't drinking beer like five months. Yes, he's on a

0:45:14.040 --> 0:45:19.440
<v Speaker 1>Lavan cleanse, but I still think that, Like I just

0:45:19.560 --> 0:45:22.640
<v Speaker 1>know my body feels different finally, like I'm kind of

0:45:22.719 --> 0:45:25.840
<v Speaker 1>accepting this. Yeah, I feel it, dude. I live in

0:45:25.960 --> 0:45:31.120
<v Speaker 1>absolute fear because because I know now. The other day,

0:45:31.200 --> 0:45:35.960
<v Speaker 1>for instance, I woke up in my neck hurt from sleeping. Funny, Okay,

0:45:36.440 --> 0:45:38.759
<v Speaker 1>normally by eight in the morning, it would not be

0:45:38.920 --> 0:45:42.960
<v Speaker 1>that way. My neck hurt for five days. That's a

0:45:43.040 --> 0:45:48.160
<v Speaker 1>bad Well, that's that's it's just happening. I'm starting to

0:45:48.200 --> 0:45:52.879
<v Speaker 1>live in fear. I need a new pillow. Yeah. Well,

0:45:53.040 --> 0:45:55.040
<v Speaker 1>I was at my brother's house. He's got he's got

0:45:55.160 --> 0:45:59.520
<v Speaker 1>a foot and food. Well, you know, because we got

0:45:59.600 --> 0:46:02.160
<v Speaker 1>the house and so my wife and I had were

0:46:02.239 --> 0:46:04.879
<v Speaker 1>like a bed, but you know, the kids. We brought

0:46:04.920 --> 0:46:07.040
<v Speaker 1>all the kids in my brother's place to fish, and

0:46:08.080 --> 0:46:09.560
<v Speaker 1>they were confused about what the hell is going on.

0:46:09.840 --> 0:46:11.600
<v Speaker 1>Like We're like, okay, you guys all go in that

0:46:11.800 --> 0:46:13.520
<v Speaker 1>room and sleep, and we're in this little not a

0:46:13.560 --> 0:46:15.600
<v Speaker 1>little bit, but like a bed, you know, and pretty

0:46:15.640 --> 0:46:17.520
<v Speaker 1>soon they're in ours. And I was just like, came

0:46:17.600 --> 0:46:19.759
<v Speaker 1>there in mind, I'll go back and find another place

0:46:19.800 --> 0:46:22.279
<v Speaker 1>to sleep. And that's where I hurt my neck. But

0:46:22.480 --> 0:46:24.120
<v Speaker 1>it took forever to get better. And it's just because

0:46:24.320 --> 0:46:27.279
<v Speaker 1>I'm getting old. My wife keeps telling me I'm getting old.

0:46:27.600 --> 0:46:32.560
<v Speaker 1>She's like, you've really aged a lot lately. It's well, no,

0:46:32.719 --> 0:46:35.120
<v Speaker 1>it's not, because it's like I like to know what's

0:46:35.160 --> 0:46:37.239
<v Speaker 1>going on I don't want people tell me a bunch

0:46:37.239 --> 0:46:39.640
<v Speaker 1>of lies. Yes, you know, speaking of that, we should

0:46:39.640 --> 0:46:41.640
<v Speaker 1>bring up our friend who we hung out with last week.

0:46:41.719 --> 0:46:45.160
<v Speaker 1>Did we mention that podcast we did in Wyomen about

0:46:45.280 --> 0:46:50.520
<v Speaker 1>his bluntness and about how people about that. It was

0:46:50.640 --> 0:46:53.080
<v Speaker 1>like we it was a little uncomfortable at first, but

0:46:53.160 --> 0:46:55.480
<v Speaker 1>when she got used to the way that this dude operated,

0:46:55.800 --> 0:46:58.200
<v Speaker 1>appreciate it. You appreciate it because you're like, there's no

0:46:58.320 --> 0:47:01.880
<v Speaker 1>gray area. Everybody knows exactly what's going on, and that's

0:47:01.920 --> 0:47:03.640
<v Speaker 1>kind of how you like it. So he's yeah, he's

0:47:03.800 --> 0:47:11.440
<v Speaker 1>very very successful businessman. Um accomplished in that field and

0:47:11.640 --> 0:47:15.120
<v Speaker 1>has been in management roles for a long time. And

0:47:16.520 --> 0:47:20.160
<v Speaker 1>we uh at one point found a couple of move sheds.

0:47:21.080 --> 0:47:24.560
<v Speaker 1>Rather than have any awkwardness about who owns these move sheds,

0:47:25.880 --> 0:47:29.799
<v Speaker 1>those will be staying on the property, and at first

0:47:29.840 --> 0:47:32.799
<v Speaker 1>like whoa there? Like, hey, you know what better that? Right?

0:47:33.239 --> 0:47:35.920
<v Speaker 1>Then him being like, man, those guys found him and

0:47:35.960 --> 0:47:38.160
<v Speaker 1>they took him home, and now I'm mad and wish

0:47:38.280 --> 0:47:41.000
<v Speaker 1>I had him. Just keeping it real, we got don't

0:47:41.000 --> 0:47:45.640
<v Speaker 1>eating dinner. He's like, let's clean up, right, It's like, please,

0:47:46.960 --> 0:47:49.960
<v Speaker 1>everyone should just be like that. Just tell me what

0:47:50.239 --> 0:47:54.400
<v Speaker 1>it is you want. My wife would be like that

0:47:54.520 --> 0:47:59.279
<v Speaker 1>more often. Yeah, well, you know I say that, but

0:47:59.560 --> 0:48:07.400
<v Speaker 1>I say that, but she obviously is just lately. Yeah. Alright,

0:48:07.480 --> 0:48:12.239
<v Speaker 1>So Rocky Mountain go to Lions or mountain? How's it going?

0:48:12.360 --> 0:48:14.560
<v Speaker 1>It's the Rocky Mountain, go to Lions. Rocky Mountain go

0:48:14.640 --> 0:48:21.840
<v Speaker 1>to Lions. Now, like, what was the genesis? It was

0:48:21.920 --> 0:48:24.959
<v Speaker 1>early two thousand and thirteen. I went to my first

0:48:25.080 --> 0:48:30.560
<v Speaker 1>Wild Sheep Foundation convention and what reason. I was working

0:48:30.640 --> 0:48:33.720
<v Speaker 1>at SNAIS at the time and we had a booth,

0:48:34.560 --> 0:48:36.920
<v Speaker 1>so I went. I was on my first trade show circuit.

0:48:36.960 --> 0:48:40.160
<v Speaker 1>I was like twenty two years old or something, even

0:48:40.239 --> 0:48:45.480
<v Speaker 1>younger than Ridge Pounder. I'm twenty six now, Yeah, still

0:48:46.640 --> 0:48:49.719
<v Speaker 1>younger than Ridge Pounding. Are you younger? Are you younger

0:48:49.719 --> 0:48:55.600
<v Speaker 1>than rich Pounder? Getting old too? I saw the Montana

0:48:55.680 --> 0:48:59.320
<v Speaker 1>Governor's tag sell for two the big Horn sheep permit

0:48:59.440 --> 0:49:04.439
<v Speaker 1>self for two hundred, four hundred and eight quarter. Wow,

0:49:04.480 --> 0:49:06.560
<v Speaker 1>I'm really butchering this. Half a million dollar sheep was

0:49:06.640 --> 0:49:12.600
<v Speaker 1>sold that year. Those funds went to Montana Big Horn

0:49:12.719 --> 0:49:19.440
<v Speaker 1>Sheep Conservation and Management, and I have a relationship with

0:49:19.640 --> 0:49:22.560
<v Speaker 1>a regional biologist here Julie Cunningham, a very good friend

0:49:22.600 --> 0:49:24.880
<v Speaker 1>of mine, and I came home from that convention and

0:49:25.040 --> 0:49:28.160
<v Speaker 1>literally Monday morning, I was knocking on her door and

0:49:28.239 --> 0:49:30.320
<v Speaker 1>I had killed a mountain goat in two thousand eleven,

0:49:30.400 --> 0:49:34.640
<v Speaker 1>and I'm obsessed with mountain goats and asked her how

0:49:34.760 --> 0:49:37.880
<v Speaker 1>I could help out with mountain goat projects, if there

0:49:38.000 --> 0:49:41.320
<v Speaker 1>was any volunteer opportunities or if anybody had orchestrated a

0:49:41.680 --> 0:49:46.279
<v Speaker 1>conservation group specifically for this animal. And the answer was no.

0:49:47.440 --> 0:49:50.360
<v Speaker 1>But her quick follow up was, I've been waiting my

0:49:50.640 --> 0:49:52.680
<v Speaker 1>entire career for somebody to walk in here and say that.

0:49:54.200 --> 0:49:57.279
<v Speaker 1>So she and I sat down and over a cup

0:49:57.360 --> 0:50:00.680
<v Speaker 1>of coffee, um, they go to Liliance was kind of

0:50:00.719 --> 0:50:04.120
<v Speaker 1>born that morning. So we came up with the idea,

0:50:04.120 --> 0:50:09.000
<v Speaker 1>We're going to start a grassroots conservation group to assist

0:50:09.080 --> 0:50:13.080
<v Speaker 1>with mountain goat conservation and mountain goat management, and uh,

0:50:13.480 --> 0:50:15.359
<v Speaker 1>that's all fine and dandy, but then the biggest question

0:50:15.400 --> 0:50:16.560
<v Speaker 1>was like, Hey, what are we gonna what are we

0:50:16.560 --> 0:50:19.400
<v Speaker 1>gonna do? Yeah, what are the mount Like what problems

0:50:19.400 --> 0:50:22.600
<v Speaker 1>does the mountain go have? So because they're like they're

0:50:22.640 --> 0:50:27.319
<v Speaker 1>generally above development, sure they're higher than development, but they

0:50:27.320 --> 0:50:29.440
<v Speaker 1>would have very low fecundity. They don't have like a

0:50:29.520 --> 0:50:33.880
<v Speaker 1>high reproductive rate, so what's their problem? Nanny harvest is

0:50:33.920 --> 0:50:36.840
<v Speaker 1>probably the most detrimental thing to a mountain goat population.

0:50:37.600 --> 0:50:42.280
<v Speaker 1>And what's unfortunate is across North America, the average mountain

0:50:42.280 --> 0:50:46.800
<v Speaker 1>goat tag is in either sex permit and that's that.

0:50:46.880 --> 0:50:49.319
<v Speaker 1>Can I break in from it? Just clarify cult points here?

0:50:49.920 --> 0:50:53.560
<v Speaker 1>So what are you talking about there? Is is you know,

0:50:53.600 --> 0:50:59.040
<v Speaker 1>when you get a permit and either sex permit um,

0:50:59.560 --> 0:51:01.960
<v Speaker 1>you'll find the animals that are very hard to sex

0:51:02.120 --> 0:51:05.320
<v Speaker 1>or they're hard to sex, they don't. They generally do

0:51:05.440 --> 0:51:08.680
<v Speaker 1>either sex permits. So for instance, bears, it takes a

0:51:08.800 --> 0:51:12.800
<v Speaker 1>trained eye two sex a bear. You I don't know

0:51:12.880 --> 0:51:14.960
<v Speaker 1>if I've ever seen in my life a bear tag

0:51:15.120 --> 0:51:19.359
<v Speaker 1>good for a gender specific bear. It's asking a lot

0:51:19.760 --> 0:51:23.440
<v Speaker 1>wild picks. A trained I you never see like it's

0:51:23.480 --> 0:51:26.880
<v Speaker 1>good for a male or female. Um. Things that are

0:51:26.880 --> 0:51:29.920
<v Speaker 1>easy to distinguish. She got a big damn set of

0:51:29.960 --> 0:51:32.279
<v Speaker 1>antlers on its head or not, stuff like that. You

0:51:32.360 --> 0:51:37.040
<v Speaker 1>see it. Mountain goats, it takes a trained eye, an

0:51:37.239 --> 0:51:41.080
<v Speaker 1>educated eye. So rather than putting that on people where

0:51:41.120 --> 0:51:45.920
<v Speaker 1>you're basically sending fifty of your people out to probably

0:51:46.080 --> 0:51:49.080
<v Speaker 1>end up breaking a law. They do it just because

0:51:49.120 --> 0:51:52.759
<v Speaker 1>it's so hard to enforce, I'm guessing, and it's puts

0:51:52.800 --> 0:51:56.560
<v Speaker 1>a certain level of um responsibility on their shoulders, I'll

0:51:56.560 --> 0:51:58.120
<v Speaker 1>point out, and I'm sure you're aware of this. I

0:51:58.239 --> 0:52:00.399
<v Speaker 1>drew a goat tag and the ken eye. But it's law,

0:52:00.960 --> 0:52:05.320
<v Speaker 1>and they say it's either sex. If you kill a nanny,

0:52:05.480 --> 0:52:07.560
<v Speaker 1>you can't even apply for this tag for seven years

0:52:07.800 --> 0:52:09.680
<v Speaker 1>or something like that. So they penalize you that way,

0:52:09.760 --> 0:52:12.080
<v Speaker 1>and that's not even the end of the repercussions of

0:52:12.120 --> 0:52:15.680
<v Speaker 1>that harvest. The Alaska model, if you harvest a nanny,

0:52:16.680 --> 0:52:20.480
<v Speaker 1>the quota for the following year is directly resulted. They

0:52:20.640 --> 0:52:23.319
<v Speaker 1>lower their tags. If you go in there and kill

0:52:23.360 --> 0:52:25.600
<v Speaker 1>a nanny, you're taking a tag out of someone else's

0:52:26.080 --> 0:52:28.960
<v Speaker 1>the next year. Alright, So so go on about that

0:52:29.440 --> 0:52:32.160
<v Speaker 1>nanny harvest being a big issue. Yep, we could have

0:52:32.239 --> 0:52:36.239
<v Speaker 1>a hell of all out more goats. Sure if people

0:52:36.280 --> 0:52:37.920
<v Speaker 1>would draw a tag, and then you get when you

0:52:38.000 --> 0:52:40.239
<v Speaker 1>draw a tag, you got months before you're gonna hunt. Sure,

0:52:41.000 --> 0:52:44.560
<v Speaker 1>So mountain goats are extremely robust. You know, they don't

0:52:45.120 --> 0:52:50.080
<v Speaker 1>they don't deal luckily with the extremely detrimental issues that

0:52:50.400 --> 0:52:52.960
<v Speaker 1>big horn sheep deal with as far as pneumonia outbreaks

0:52:53.080 --> 0:52:55.960
<v Speaker 1>or anything of that. Like, they're they're a lot more

0:52:56.120 --> 0:53:01.480
<v Speaker 1>durable of a mammal than a wild sheep my opinion. Um,

0:53:02.680 --> 0:53:06.799
<v Speaker 1>so they're they're survivors. They do very very well when

0:53:06.880 --> 0:53:10.920
<v Speaker 1>introduced to areas, and there's not a lot of literature

0:53:11.719 --> 0:53:16.480
<v Speaker 1>explaining that. But mountain goat introductions um, if done with

0:53:16.640 --> 0:53:20.680
<v Speaker 1>the large amount of mountain goats are extremely successful. Other

0:53:20.920 --> 0:53:24.680
<v Speaker 1>animals introduced are a lot more finicky. So mountain goats

0:53:24.680 --> 0:53:29.840
<v Speaker 1>are total survivors. Um. They flourish in a handful of

0:53:30.200 --> 0:53:38.520
<v Speaker 1>different environments. And what's an old mountain goat like a sheep?

0:53:38.760 --> 0:53:41.520
<v Speaker 1>Like a fourteen year old ram would be a dead

0:53:41.560 --> 0:53:44.160
<v Speaker 1>sheep walking right. He didn't have any teeth left, just

0:53:44.239 --> 0:53:48.880
<v Speaker 1>like a billy. Um. But the nanny harvest is extremely

0:53:49.520 --> 0:53:53.800
<v Speaker 1>dangerous because they do reproduce so slow. The average mountain

0:53:53.840 --> 0:53:57.640
<v Speaker 1>goat doesn't reproduce until it's three maybe four years old.

0:53:58.080 --> 0:54:03.080
<v Speaker 1>Kid recruitment rate in the first year is sub uh

0:54:03.160 --> 0:54:06.000
<v Speaker 1>and most of the populations in the lower forty eight

0:54:06.080 --> 0:54:09.719
<v Speaker 1>are pretty small, So if you have a couple of

0:54:09.840 --> 0:54:14.279
<v Speaker 1>years of heavy female harvest. There are significant repercussions from

0:54:14.360 --> 0:54:18.360
<v Speaker 1>those harvests, and you can't incriminate these people. Uh, you know,

0:54:18.480 --> 0:54:21.600
<v Speaker 1>you can't blame the fourteen year old kid that draws

0:54:21.680 --> 0:54:23.719
<v Speaker 1>a mountain goat tag and it's an either sex tag

0:54:23.800 --> 0:54:25.719
<v Speaker 1>and he doesn't know anything about mountain goats and he

0:54:25.800 --> 0:54:27.520
<v Speaker 1>goes out goat hunting and he sees one and he

0:54:27.560 --> 0:54:29.839
<v Speaker 1>shoots one and it happens to be a six year

0:54:29.880 --> 0:54:34.680
<v Speaker 1>old female. Well, that's a really valuable animal to that population.

0:54:35.680 --> 0:54:41.360
<v Speaker 1>She's important they give off one ofspring. Correct, they have one? Yeah, twins,

0:54:41.520 --> 0:54:45.560
<v Speaker 1>Twins do occur. Uh, it's pretty rare. It's very rare

0:54:45.680 --> 0:54:49.120
<v Speaker 1>for the twins to both survive, but nothing near what

0:54:49.600 --> 0:54:52.720
<v Speaker 1>we think of like a white tail pumping out twins

0:54:52.840 --> 0:54:56.960
<v Speaker 1>every year. Pretty much what white tail will have faunds

0:54:57.000 --> 0:55:02.120
<v Speaker 1>its second year, right, So it's very different. And you

0:55:02.280 --> 0:55:07.800
<v Speaker 1>can't expect the average sportsman to understand that when you

0:55:07.880 --> 0:55:10.400
<v Speaker 1>hand him a mountain goat tag. So a lot of

0:55:10.440 --> 0:55:13.040
<v Speaker 1>the stuff that we're focusing on moving forward is public

0:55:13.200 --> 0:55:19.760
<v Speaker 1>education and raising the public awareness and raising the responsibility

0:55:20.239 --> 0:55:23.279
<v Speaker 1>of the mountain goat hunter. And uh, do you talk

0:55:23.320 --> 0:55:25.600
<v Speaker 1>about are you talking about raising it in a legal

0:55:25.719 --> 0:55:28.280
<v Speaker 1>sense or raising it in like, hey, buddy, you should

0:55:28.480 --> 0:55:30.239
<v Speaker 1>know this, or do you guys think it would be

0:55:30.280 --> 0:55:35.400
<v Speaker 1>a good idea to maybe mandate a little more education,

0:55:35.480 --> 0:55:37.600
<v Speaker 1>a little more responsibility, Like what what's your take on it?

0:55:37.640 --> 0:55:39.520
<v Speaker 1>Because I can see that you get sideways with some

0:55:39.640 --> 0:55:42.640
<v Speaker 1>people who want to just be like that. They're going

0:55:42.800 --> 0:55:44.320
<v Speaker 1>and they're going and they don't want to have to

0:55:44.360 --> 0:55:47.279
<v Speaker 1>do anything. Sure, it's a little bit of all of that. Um,

0:55:47.360 --> 0:55:50.960
<v Speaker 1>I think the more you raise the public education, the

0:55:51.040 --> 0:55:55.560
<v Speaker 1>more you raise the you know, it's embarrassing for a

0:55:55.640 --> 0:55:57.600
<v Speaker 1>guy if he goes out, you know, and I'm I

0:55:57.719 --> 0:55:59.879
<v Speaker 1>got this once in a lifetime mountain goat tag. Well,

0:55:59.880 --> 0:56:01.840
<v Speaker 1>I don't want to. I don't want to accidentally shoot

0:56:01.880 --> 0:56:05.040
<v Speaker 1>a nanny for a bunch of different reasons. So it's

0:56:05.040 --> 0:56:08.120
<v Speaker 1>a little bit of that, and it's a it's definitely

0:56:08.280 --> 0:56:15.279
<v Speaker 1>part of I think that the judging the gender of

0:56:15.400 --> 0:56:20.360
<v Speaker 1>them and being educated on it is up to the

0:56:20.400 --> 0:56:23.480
<v Speaker 1>guy with the tag in his pocket, and the educational

0:56:23.560 --> 0:56:27.919
<v Speaker 1>materials available to that guy at this time are poor.

0:56:29.040 --> 0:56:34.840
<v Speaker 1>Duncan Gilcrest produced some phenomenal Mountain Goat educational materials that

0:56:34.960 --> 0:56:40.000
<v Speaker 1>happened in the nineties. Nobody's done it since then. So

0:56:41.120 --> 0:56:46.280
<v Speaker 1>we orchestrate on the ground boots on the ground volunteer

0:56:46.400 --> 0:56:51.359
<v Speaker 1>projects throughout North America to assist regionally with mountain goat

0:56:51.440 --> 0:56:56.560
<v Speaker 1>surveys and population analysis on a larger scale. You guys

0:56:56.600 --> 0:57:00.080
<v Speaker 1>are out poling the mountains checking stuff out. Do you

0:57:00.120 --> 0:57:03.479
<v Speaker 1>ever find all stuff that no one knew? I found

0:57:03.520 --> 0:57:05.800
<v Speaker 1>a mountain goat. I found a nanny in South Dakota

0:57:05.920 --> 0:57:09.080
<v Speaker 1>last year and she looked like she had this horrible

0:57:09.160 --> 0:57:13.200
<v Speaker 1>infection on her face and she just had scabs all

0:57:13.280 --> 0:57:15.080
<v Speaker 1>over her face and it was gross. I mean, as

0:57:15.200 --> 0:57:17.480
<v Speaker 1>gross as you think it is, that's what she looked like.

0:57:18.760 --> 0:57:24.760
<v Speaker 1>And uh turned out it was this contagious exhuma of

0:57:25.200 --> 0:57:29.640
<v Speaker 1>Capri species that South Dakota didn't know they were dealing with.

0:57:31.160 --> 0:57:34.040
<v Speaker 1>So that's probably the closest thing we've ever found come

0:57:34.120 --> 0:57:36.320
<v Speaker 1>to finding out that nobody knew about before. But so

0:57:36.360 --> 0:57:38.480
<v Speaker 1>you never found one that jumped mountain ranges in a

0:57:38.560 --> 0:57:41.520
<v Speaker 1>weird way, and oh no, that happens quite a bit. Um.

0:57:42.600 --> 0:57:45.360
<v Speaker 1>Just we're sitting in Bozeman right now. Just north of

0:57:45.440 --> 0:57:48.440
<v Speaker 1>town is the Bridge or Mountain Range, very well known

0:57:48.520 --> 0:57:53.480
<v Speaker 1>mountain goat population those goats came from the Tobacco Root

0:57:53.560 --> 0:57:57.280
<v Speaker 1>mountains just west of here in the ninety nineties. Did

0:57:57.320 --> 0:58:00.360
<v Speaker 1>they really on their own? No, they were interesting. So

0:58:00.400 --> 0:58:02.720
<v Speaker 1>they brought a trailer full of goats up to Ferry Lake.

0:58:02.840 --> 0:58:05.280
<v Speaker 1>It's the trailhead for the Sack of Jewaya Hike, the

0:58:05.360 --> 0:58:08.320
<v Speaker 1>highest peak in the Bridge Range. They turned loose. I

0:58:08.360 --> 0:58:11.400
<v Speaker 1>don't know, fifteen mountain goods. One of them was like

0:58:11.440 --> 0:58:14.680
<v Speaker 1>an eleven year old billy. He hiked up to the

0:58:14.760 --> 0:58:19.560
<v Speaker 1>saddle down the west faced and forty miles across the

0:58:19.600 --> 0:58:24.800
<v Speaker 1>Gallatin Valley walked back to the tobacco. Yeah, there's pictures

0:58:24.840 --> 0:58:28.800
<v Speaker 1>of that goat jumping fence in Belgrade, Montana. His buddies like, man,

0:58:28.800 --> 0:58:30.760
<v Speaker 1>where you been. He's like, don't even get me started.

0:58:31.280 --> 0:58:33.200
<v Speaker 1>You don't even know about the walk. I just said,

0:58:34.400 --> 0:58:37.080
<v Speaker 1>there's a goat right now. There's a there's a billy

0:58:37.240 --> 0:58:40.680
<v Speaker 1>right now that just showed up in a Dinosaur National

0:58:40.800 --> 0:58:44.320
<v Speaker 1>Monument on the west side of Colorado. And this goat

0:58:44.400 --> 0:58:49.840
<v Speaker 1>came out of Utah from Washsatch population and he walked east.

0:58:51.800 --> 0:58:54.680
<v Speaker 1>It's got to be thirty forty miles and all on

0:58:54.800 --> 0:58:57.400
<v Speaker 1>his own. He's you know, some five year old Billy

0:58:57.560 --> 0:59:00.800
<v Speaker 1>showed up in Dinosaur National Monument, which is controlled by

0:59:00.800 --> 0:59:04.920
<v Speaker 1>the FEDS, and according to the National Park Service and

0:59:04.960 --> 0:59:10.520
<v Speaker 1>the FEDS, that's an exotic animal. Yeah, so they are

0:59:11.440 --> 0:59:13.320
<v Speaker 1>trying to figure out how to deal with him right now,

0:59:13.480 --> 0:59:16.880
<v Speaker 1>and the proposed solution is to kill him, which breaks

0:59:16.960 --> 0:59:20.080
<v Speaker 1>my heart. It sounds like a pretty badass, badass billy

0:59:20.280 --> 0:59:22.640
<v Speaker 1>that went for a walk and went went. But he

0:59:22.800 --> 0:59:25.760
<v Speaker 1>came from an introduced population though in Utah he did.

0:59:26.520 --> 0:59:27.840
<v Speaker 1>I can see how that would put him in a

0:59:27.880 --> 0:59:30.080
<v Speaker 1>sticky situation. I was gonna say, because like in Colorado,

0:59:30.440 --> 0:59:35.120
<v Speaker 1>all the goats, they're considered and that must be just

0:59:35.240 --> 0:59:37.920
<v Speaker 1>in general, like a sticky subject for you guys. Right,

0:59:38.000 --> 0:59:41.840
<v Speaker 1>But Montana has Montana has native populations, but the northwest

0:59:42.000 --> 0:59:46.280
<v Speaker 1>we do Bob marshall the bitter root stuff, everything west,

0:59:46.800 --> 0:59:49.240
<v Speaker 1>everything west of the Bob. There's an argument that some

0:59:49.680 --> 0:59:52.600
<v Speaker 1>of the mountain goats in northern Utah are in fact

0:59:53.480 --> 0:59:56.120
<v Speaker 1>native or not, that the current mountain goats are native,

0:59:56.360 --> 1:00:00.440
<v Speaker 1>but their ancestors did in fact live there, That mountain

1:00:00.480 --> 1:00:05.120
<v Speaker 1>goats did inhabit into the northern Utah. The Willard Peak

1:00:05.720 --> 1:00:10.760
<v Speaker 1>population matters. He asked, so and they were potentially like

1:00:10.880 --> 1:00:14.040
<v Speaker 1>wiped off from human causes. Yeah, hard to kind of

1:00:14.120 --> 1:00:16.960
<v Speaker 1>put your finger on what you know, there wasn't a

1:00:17.000 --> 1:00:21.919
<v Speaker 1>whole lot of testing of animals until the last couple

1:00:21.960 --> 1:00:25.480
<v Speaker 1>of decades. But what's an argument in favor of um,

1:00:26.600 --> 1:00:29.080
<v Speaker 1>what's an argument favorite putting mountain goats in places where

1:00:29.080 --> 1:00:33.160
<v Speaker 1>they haven't been before. It's a it's a natural resource.

1:00:33.400 --> 1:00:38.440
<v Speaker 1>You're you're increasing your natural resources. And if you're supporting

1:00:38.920 --> 1:00:42.880
<v Speaker 1>sportsmen who fork over their dollars, if you're the if

1:00:42.920 --> 1:00:46.160
<v Speaker 1>you're the state manager of mountain goats, I believe it's

1:00:46.160 --> 1:00:48.360
<v Speaker 1>your responsibility to have a lot of mountain goats and

1:00:48.520 --> 1:00:52.080
<v Speaker 1>to provide this opportunity to the citizens of your state.

1:00:52.840 --> 1:00:56.080
<v Speaker 1>It's a it's a renewable natural resource. I asked this

1:00:56.200 --> 1:00:59.240
<v Speaker 1>question about turkeys one time, because you know, well, because

1:00:59.240 --> 1:01:03.120
<v Speaker 1>I mean forty in states of turkey seasons. They said,

1:01:03.920 --> 1:01:07.960
<v Speaker 1>it's been yet to be demonstrated that there's a deleterious effect.

1:01:09.280 --> 1:01:11.600
<v Speaker 1>No one's pointed to. Uh, No one's pointed to a

1:01:11.640 --> 1:01:15.560
<v Speaker 1>good negative. It's a lot like the pheasant pheasants everyhere.

1:01:15.560 --> 1:01:18.240
<v Speaker 1>People love peasants from Asia, straight out of China. It's

1:01:18.280 --> 1:01:22.320
<v Speaker 1>like no one has yet said, man if it weren't

1:01:22.320 --> 1:01:25.720
<v Speaker 1>for these pheasants, so they just winds up being like

1:01:25.920 --> 1:01:27.880
<v Speaker 1>it just winds up being in many cases like a

1:01:27.920 --> 1:01:30.600
<v Speaker 1>win win, Like you're not you know, put them there.

1:01:30.640 --> 1:01:34.680
<v Speaker 1>It's not that you can point to um endemic species

1:01:34.760 --> 1:01:37.400
<v Speaker 1>that have gone extinct because of mountain goat grazing or

1:01:37.480 --> 1:01:40.160
<v Speaker 1>the other species have been in displaced because of mountain

1:01:40.160 --> 1:01:44.880
<v Speaker 1>goat activities. There's two main arguments against mountain goat introductions.

1:01:44.960 --> 1:01:50.520
<v Speaker 1>The one is the destruction of alpine plant life. Take

1:01:50.560 --> 1:01:54.200
<v Speaker 1>that for what it's worth. The other is conflict of

1:01:54.480 --> 1:01:58.960
<v Speaker 1>sheep habitat and people that like sheep don't like seeing

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<v Speaker 1>goats near them. Oh so, use there's a conflict. They

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<v Speaker 1>find a conflict between goats and sheep. Certainly what they

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<v Speaker 1>co exist the over place, um they do well. Are

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<v Speaker 1>they worried about disease transmission? Correct? Yeah, so there's a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit of fear. There's a population of goats and

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<v Speaker 1>Nevada and the Ruby Mountains, pneumonia has run rampant through them.

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<v Speaker 1>It's the only population of mountain goats in North America

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<v Speaker 1>that is very clearly suffering from a pneumonia outbreak. Obviously, navonia.

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<v Speaker 1>Pneumonia has rereaked havoc on wild sheep across North America,

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<v Speaker 1>not so much in the wild goats. Nevada has this problem.

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<v Speaker 1>It's kind of ground zero for this, for this disease outbreak. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>certainly they can transmit it to a wild sheep very easily.

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<v Speaker 1>So a lot of people are living in fear of

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<v Speaker 1>pneumonia transmission. It's called m o V and it's the

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<v Speaker 1>infection that can cause in the mania and living in

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<v Speaker 1>fear that goats could potentially in fact our Wild Cheap

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<v Speaker 1>so a goat tested positive in Washington last year, it

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<v Speaker 1>could be a false positive. They don't know. A goat

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<v Speaker 1>tested positive in Jackson Whole a couple of years ago,

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<v Speaker 1>again very realistically is likely a false positive in the testing.

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<v Speaker 1>But those are huge red flags to Wild Cheap enthusiasts.

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<v Speaker 1>And uh, let me let me back up and say,

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<v Speaker 1>one of our most cherished relationships is in fact with

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<v Speaker 1>the Wild Cheap Foundation. We work really closely with them

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<v Speaker 1>and a lot of stuff. But um, disease outbreaking wild

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<v Speaker 1>animals are certainly something to be cautious though, Oh yeah, man,

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<v Speaker 1>hugely are there any areas there are? There? Is there

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<v Speaker 1>any native mountain goat range that where mountain goolts were

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<v Speaker 1>extirpated from the range, they've never made it back. Like

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<v Speaker 1>if you looked at it a map at the time

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<v Speaker 1>of European con the showed where goats are are they

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<v Speaker 1>still everywhere they were there was and you know, before

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<v Speaker 1>the Europeans, mountain goats were as far as Mexico, and

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<v Speaker 1>it was a an ancestral goat. Um. It's not an

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<v Speaker 1>actual mountain goat as we know it today, but there

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<v Speaker 1>was a subspecies of mountain goats that lived as far

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<v Speaker 1>as Mexico when the ice fields were that far south,

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<v Speaker 1>and then they started receding to the north and the

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<v Speaker 1>goats kind of that particularly think it's called the Harrison.

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<v Speaker 1>Harrison mountain goat is the subspecies of goat that existed

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<v Speaker 1>all the way into Mexico. They are completely extinct now.

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<v Speaker 1>The mountain goat that we know today um inhabited everything

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<v Speaker 1>from Alaska into parts of Idaho and arguably Utah. You've

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<v Speaker 1>ever read the book The Big s Guy, I have

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<v Speaker 1>not a mountain goat saves his life, say what, He

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<v Speaker 1>shoots the mountain goat and eats it, but it stays

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<v Speaker 1>his life perfect in the end of the Big Sky. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's uh we always though about that. It's such a

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<v Speaker 1>good book. Man who wrote it? Huh Uh? That's why

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<v Speaker 1>people call Montana Big Sky Country because that book. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you coin thing the Big Guy? Why not? I've never heard.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't read, so what it like? Uh? Where are

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<v Speaker 1>you guys at with things? How long has you been around?

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<v Speaker 1>So the idea came about an early two thousand thirteen,

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<v Speaker 1>I believe about a year later, we were granted five

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<v Speaker 1>oh one C three status from the I r S.

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<v Speaker 1>So we became a nonprofit UM and things have kind

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<v Speaker 1>of exponentially escalated every year. So we started off just

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<v Speaker 1>doing super grassroots projects here in Montana, assisting with regional biologists.

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<v Speaker 1>Mountain gets are very hard animal to keep tabs on UM,

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<v Speaker 1>and they are nowhere near the top of the list

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<v Speaker 1>of priorities of the average state biologists. Public you know,

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<v Speaker 1>public interest certainly hasn't been focused on mountain goats, and

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<v Speaker 1>it has been on several other species. Were because it

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<v Speaker 1>must of them live on public land, right, probably more

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<v Speaker 1>high high country all the there on, all the unwanted lane. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, they say that the the goat hunt starts

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<v Speaker 1>where the sheep hunt ends. But in Montana, the average

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<v Speaker 1>mountain goat hunting district is surveyed every four years. The

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<v Speaker 1>average sheep district or elk district is surveyed once or

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<v Speaker 1>maybe twice a year. So very low on the totem

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<v Speaker 1>pole of priorities comes the mountain goats. So when why

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<v Speaker 1>do you think that is? I love those things. Oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>they it's just kind of out of sight, out of mind.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, there's there's no public effort behind him until now.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, if you got the Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation

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<v Speaker 1>and all the weight and money they pull, of course

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<v Speaker 1>elk is going to be a big priority in your state.

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<v Speaker 1>And uh, do you think part of it has to

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<v Speaker 1>do with how durable they are, that they're we just

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<v Speaker 1>have confidence that they're just kind of let them do

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<v Speaker 1>their thing. Yeah, I mean I don't know. Yeah, but man,

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<v Speaker 1>that's the kind of attitude that's dangerous. But yeah, because

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<v Speaker 1>you get a few bad years and and lord, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>and all of a sudden you're like, hey, we have

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<v Speaker 1>all those things. I feel like we're just general wildlife.

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<v Speaker 1>You you just you know, plucked a random citizen out

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<v Speaker 1>from somewhere that you know, eastern Mississippi, like they want

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<v Speaker 1>to see a mountain, go like them. When I lived here,

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<v Speaker 1>we would take people up and with a spot scope

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<v Speaker 1>and just part of the whole tours, you take them

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<v Speaker 1>up and in glass up. Some of the ones in

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<v Speaker 1>the bridge arranged will be like, oh, you know, very cool.

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<v Speaker 1>You got what's going on? You gotta be somewhere just

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<v Speaker 1>making sure the babysitters, uh doing all right, You're doing good.

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<v Speaker 1>She's doing good and drinking too much hopefully not. You

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<v Speaker 1>know what I got interested in them is uh after

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<v Speaker 1>moving to Montana, I had a girlfriend in and I

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<v Speaker 1>was always putting in my applications and I'm like, man,

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<v Speaker 1>you should put into you know, she never hunted. One

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<v Speaker 1>year she drew a big horn you tag a goat tag,

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<v Speaker 1>and we got her a black bear. On one year

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<v Speaker 1>she had a big year, big game hunt. Cool the

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<v Speaker 1>goat tag. We drew it in an area called Blogic Canyon,

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<v Speaker 1>which may be familiar with not so on the west side,

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<v Speaker 1>but we didn't know. That's how I discovered Duncan Gil.

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<v Speaker 1>Chris was just trying to bone up. I had no idea.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I've never been in a mountain go hunt.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't know anybody that been on a mountain go hunt.

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<v Speaker 1>So we went up and it was I was inexperienced

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<v Speaker 1>that mountain hunting and just generally experienced that big like

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<v Speaker 1>definitely inexperience of mountain go hunting and inexperienced that big

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<v Speaker 1>game hunting outside of a handful of animals that had

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<v Speaker 1>just moved from the Midwest to the West. And uh,

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<v Speaker 1>we're shocked to find one and killed the first one

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<v Speaker 1>we saw, young Nanny. Next I went on a go hunt.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a couple of years later, and by that

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<v Speaker 1>point we'd logged just some massive amount of time in

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<v Speaker 1>the mountains, and we went up and our method then,

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<v Speaker 1>our sexing method then was to sit in this pass

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<v Speaker 1>and look at a ton of goats and we're like

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<v Speaker 1>that one out of the eleven that we're looking at

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<v Speaker 1>is far in a way the biggest one we're looking at,

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<v Speaker 1>and started at that point great way buffalo, just being like,

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<v Speaker 1>it's way bigger than everybody else. Let's go investigate its

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<v Speaker 1>male nous. You's learned from this guy. So what do

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<v Speaker 1>you like? What are the what do you tell people

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<v Speaker 1>when you get into the male female thing? It's like, like,

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<v Speaker 1>I've been a lot of time looking at animals. I've

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<v Speaker 1>been on go hunts, I've skinned several of them. I

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<v Speaker 1>can't if I look at one from three yards way,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't immediately be like, oh, yeah, it's tough. I

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<v Speaker 1>meant you're lying to yourself. You say it's easy. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>So what are the like, what are the things that

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<v Speaker 1>in your conversations and your experience, What is like the

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<v Speaker 1>thing you're looking for? You gotta watch him p r Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's the nail in the coffin. The boys stretch out

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<v Speaker 1>like a big Clydesdale and pe like a horse. And

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<v Speaker 1>the girls squad do they pe every hour the p

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<v Speaker 1>every time they get out of a bed, they do.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I would bet bet. I don't have the

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<v Speaker 1>data to back this up, but probably the time a

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<v Speaker 1>mountain good gets out of its bed, it takes a pass.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's like the thing you're looking for. That's the

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<v Speaker 1>that's the dead giveaway. You can determine the gender of

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<v Speaker 1>a mountain goat without watching it. You're in by the

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<v Speaker 1>by the glands on its horns. Yep, you gotta kind

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<v Speaker 1>of kind of take a look at the big picture.

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<v Speaker 1>There are several key identify irs that will indicate the

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<v Speaker 1>gender of a mountain goat, and it's important to look

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<v Speaker 1>at all of them and not just one of them,

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<v Speaker 1>because if you make your mind up on just one

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<v Speaker 1>attribute that you see in this goat, you could be wrong. So, uh, nanny,

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<v Speaker 1>A girl typically will have a skinny, tall horn with

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<v Speaker 1>a kink in the top quarter, a sharp kink, like

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<v Speaker 1>almost a point where it looks like it was bent

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<v Speaker 1>something bent it. Yeah, a boy is gonna have a

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<v Speaker 1>heavy horn and a gradual sweep, a big, gradual curvature,

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<v Speaker 1>no kink, just a clean swoop. But dude, dead alone

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<v Speaker 1>is confusing because I've looked at the pictures. You better

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<v Speaker 1>not just you better not make your decision on just

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<v Speaker 1>that that now. And then you see one a picture

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<v Speaker 1>you're like, oh, yeah, dead on. Sometimes you look at

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<v Speaker 1>it and you're like, oh, that's like, no, that's not

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<v Speaker 1>So we host these billy verse nanny quizzes on our

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<v Speaker 1>social media platforms and they're pretty popular and people eat

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<v Speaker 1>it up. So we'll put up a picture of a

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<v Speaker 1>mountain goat, so what do you think is billy or nanny?

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<v Speaker 1>And there increasingly popular and uh, it's a good educational

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<v Speaker 1>tool throughout the throughout the work week. But we definitely

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<v Speaker 1>there's some very very experienced, legitimate people that participate in

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<v Speaker 1>these quizzes that get stumped. I mean I get stumped. It.

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<v Speaker 1>It's tough because some of those old nannies have some big,

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<v Speaker 1>old long horns too, right, So it's not like you

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<v Speaker 1>can judge them on just pure size. Look, you gotta

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<v Speaker 1>look at the whole picture. So the gland. So a

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<v Speaker 1>common misconception is only the billy has a gland. That's

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<v Speaker 1>not true. Girls got glands too, They're just way smaller.

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<v Speaker 1>So both the boys and the girls have glands behind

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<v Speaker 1>the horn. The billies have significantly larger glands that look

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<v Speaker 1>like hockey pucks late in the season behind their horns.

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<v Speaker 1>And he's all run it out and he run late, right, yeah, November,

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<v Speaker 1>and um, the billies are obviously going to be significantly larger.

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<v Speaker 1>A ten year old billy looks like an albino silverback

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<v Speaker 1>gorilla walking around the mountain side. They're big, they're big,

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<v Speaker 1>and I see that like when you see like the man.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh you kind of know he's the man, but we're

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<v Speaker 1>looking at a band of him. It's tough I tell

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<v Speaker 1>people that the mountain goat you want to shoot is

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<v Speaker 1>the one that you look at and immediately make your

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<v Speaker 1>mind up. There's no question about it. He's just a

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<v Speaker 1>tank and there's no there's no two ways about it.

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<v Speaker 1>He's definitely a billy and he's definitely big. That's what

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<v Speaker 1>they tell you about about grizzlies. Yeah, right, you can

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<v Speaker 1>look at you know, you look at adults all day long.

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<v Speaker 1>But I don't know. I think it's this. I think

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<v Speaker 1>it's that, but it goes. But you know what, as

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<v Speaker 1>soon as when he when he steps out, you're like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>big boar, that's him, you know, and all that sussing

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<v Speaker 1>out those minor little things. How long we've been talking for?

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<v Speaker 1>Al right? So what do you need from people? You

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<v Speaker 1>know what? I think there should be a rule if

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<v Speaker 1>you draw a goat take, you have to join our organization. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>I like that. How many states have goat seasons? Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>not kind of Alaska, because Alaska you can buy the registration,

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<v Speaker 1>hunts and all kinds of well it's count Alaska. You

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<v Speaker 1>gotta don't draw that. You can just get them states

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<v Speaker 1>that you can hunt mountain goats in. Though I think

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<v Speaker 1>it's I can count them off here. It's Alaska, Oregon, Washington, Idaho, Montana, Wyoming, Colorado, Nevada, Utah,

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<v Speaker 1>South Dakota. South Dakota has a tag. They're They're crawling

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<v Speaker 1>all over to Crazy Horse Memorial. I'm headed to South

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<v Speaker 1>Dakota in the morning for a mountain goat project. But

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<v Speaker 1>they give a tag out. They gave two tags out

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<v Speaker 1>in two thousand and fifteen. It was the first permits

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<v Speaker 1>they've issued in over a decade. And did did you

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<v Speaker 1>guys get billies or female? They've got two billies. Yeah. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>they're in the Black Hills there in the Black Hills.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a really incredible story. The back in the nineteen twenties,

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<v Speaker 1>half a dozen goats broke out of a petting zoo

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<v Speaker 1>and Custer State Park. I heard this before, no joke.

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<v Speaker 1>Flash forward fifty years later. They had like a hundred

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<v Speaker 1>of them and they hunted him. And they were there

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<v Speaker 1>and obviously an exotic animal to the Black Hills of Dakota,

1:15:06.360 --> 1:15:10.599
<v Speaker 1>and they hunted them and then their numbers started to dwindle.

1:15:11.240 --> 1:15:14.720
<v Speaker 1>Uh for a handful of reasons. They augmented the population

1:15:14.840 --> 1:15:18.840
<v Speaker 1>with an introduction from Colorado. At that point, they wanted them,

1:15:18.960 --> 1:15:21.160
<v Speaker 1>they want them. They owned up to them. They were like,

1:15:21.240 --> 1:15:25.639
<v Speaker 1>we like them, they're they're doing well. Let's make it happen.

1:15:26.040 --> 1:15:30.400
<v Speaker 1>Hunting had been closed for ten years. This is our

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<v Speaker 1>Tomorrow morning starts our third annual volunteer project and the

1:15:35.280 --> 1:15:39.240
<v Speaker 1>Black Hills of South Dakota, and two thousand and fifteen

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<v Speaker 1>was the first time in a decade that they decided

1:15:42.600 --> 1:15:45.800
<v Speaker 1>to give permits out. So I like to give the

1:15:45.840 --> 1:15:48.400
<v Speaker 1>God Alliance a little bit of credit there that we

1:15:49.040 --> 1:15:52.000
<v Speaker 1>got boots on the ground and eyes on the hills

1:15:52.800 --> 1:15:56.920
<v Speaker 1>and helped out a regional biologist doing some counting, doing

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<v Speaker 1>some counting and doing some gender analysis. Yeah, tell us

1:16:00.880 --> 1:16:03.120
<v Speaker 1>about that, you guys organized. I think last year. I

1:16:03.160 --> 1:16:05.439
<v Speaker 1>try to make it, but my wife actually shared it

1:16:05.520 --> 1:16:07.519
<v Speaker 1>with me. She found it on like the Bowsman the

1:16:07.560 --> 1:16:10.680
<v Speaker 1>Bowsman list Serve or something like that, like the I

1:16:10.720 --> 1:16:13.880
<v Speaker 1>don't know if that working internet thing that goes out

1:16:14.080 --> 1:16:18.759
<v Speaker 1>to everybody. You know, it's like the Twitter, like boson

1:16:19.080 --> 1:16:22.160
<v Speaker 1>or something on those lines. Anyways, I want my wife.

1:16:22.880 --> 1:16:25.160
<v Speaker 1>My wife gets emails from it. It's usually good, a

1:16:25.200 --> 1:16:27.920
<v Speaker 1>lot of good, interesting stuff going on around town. And

1:16:27.960 --> 1:16:29.479
<v Speaker 1>I want to say, you guys were organizing like a

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<v Speaker 1>big two day go count in the Craziest, big camping trip. Yes,

1:16:34.720 --> 1:16:39.280
<v Speaker 1>we orchestrate backcountry volunteer projects and several different states. The

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<v Speaker 1>one that you're referring to was in the Crazy Mountains

1:16:41.680 --> 1:16:43.439
<v Speaker 1>last summer and the Craziest. I could talk to you

1:16:44.080 --> 1:16:46.880
<v Speaker 1>for an hour for about the story of the Goats

1:16:46.920 --> 1:16:49.560
<v Speaker 1>and the Craziest, but essentially that is what we do.

1:16:50.000 --> 1:16:54.240
<v Speaker 1>We UH started a nonprofit with no money, and as

1:16:54.360 --> 1:16:56.720
<v Speaker 1>Jeff with two percent can relate, it's a lot of

1:16:56.800 --> 1:16:59.280
<v Speaker 1>headaches and a lot of late nights. But the thing

1:16:59.360 --> 1:17:04.040
<v Speaker 1>that we did have was enthusiasm and momentum and passion

1:17:04.439 --> 1:17:09.680
<v Speaker 1>and time, and we turned that into volunteer work. So

1:17:10.720 --> 1:17:14.559
<v Speaker 1>this summer alone, we're working in several different mountain ranges

1:17:14.600 --> 1:17:18.160
<v Speaker 1>in Montana, the Black Hills in South Dakota, the Frank

1:17:18.240 --> 1:17:23.800
<v Speaker 1>Church Wilderness of Idaho, the Goat Rocks Wilderness of Washington,

1:17:23.920 --> 1:17:29.880
<v Speaker 1>the Ruby Mountains of Nevada, the Willard Peak population of Utah.

1:17:30.240 --> 1:17:35.679
<v Speaker 1>So it's bloomed into a lot of different UH real,

1:17:37.120 --> 1:17:39.320
<v Speaker 1>real interactive volunte I was going to show up at

1:17:39.360 --> 1:17:40.840
<v Speaker 1>that one that was up here in the Crazies, what

1:17:40.880 --> 1:17:42.880
<v Speaker 1>would have that been? Like you would have put a

1:17:42.960 --> 1:17:44.840
<v Speaker 1>backpack on. I would have gave you a folder and

1:17:44.920 --> 1:17:46.840
<v Speaker 1>told you good luck, and I would have found you

1:17:46.880 --> 1:17:48.719
<v Speaker 1>at the end of the weekend and asked what you found.

1:17:48.840 --> 1:17:54.040
<v Speaker 1>So we divide and conquer. We we separate our volunteers

1:17:54.080 --> 1:17:57.479
<v Speaker 1>out across the mountain range and we document every mountain

1:17:57.520 --> 1:18:01.080
<v Speaker 1>goat side in and we tried to document the gender

1:18:01.160 --> 1:18:07.960
<v Speaker 1>of the animal, AH, general observation, social interactions. Guess photograph

1:18:08.240 --> 1:18:10.800
<v Speaker 1>we do. Yeah, we film them in, photograph them seat.

1:18:11.400 --> 1:18:14.280
<v Speaker 1>It's we also have the responsibility of kind of is

1:18:14.320 --> 1:18:19.400
<v Speaker 1>the goat healthy even if you're not a hud be

1:18:19.439 --> 1:18:21.600
<v Speaker 1>like a fun little thing. You know people do that

1:18:21.680 --> 1:18:23.720
<v Speaker 1>like geo cashing stuff and must go out look for

1:18:23.840 --> 1:18:28.679
<v Speaker 1>damn go What do you think about all that pounder?

1:18:29.120 --> 1:18:31.240
<v Speaker 1>I think it's cool, man. I got one question. Um,

1:18:31.920 --> 1:18:33.960
<v Speaker 1>if somebody does want to do that, say they live

1:18:34.000 --> 1:18:36.920
<v Speaker 1>in like Miami, and they're like, I really love mountain

1:18:36.920 --> 1:18:38.280
<v Speaker 1>goats and they want to go like on one of

1:18:38.320 --> 1:18:41.439
<v Speaker 1>these things Miami, Florida. Yeah, you're saying somewhere, Really, are

1:18:41.439 --> 1:18:44.040
<v Speaker 1>you worried about them being a detriment? No, But like,

1:18:44.200 --> 1:18:45.919
<v Speaker 1>say they want to go on one of these volunteer

1:18:46.000 --> 1:18:48.559
<v Speaker 1>things right where they go and identify do you guys?

1:18:49.760 --> 1:18:51.320
<v Speaker 1>I guess it's hard, But do you ever do like

1:18:51.479 --> 1:18:54.360
<v Speaker 1>travel stipends for anybody? Like if you come and volunteer time,

1:18:54.400 --> 1:18:56.000
<v Speaker 1>will help you out with a ticket or put you

1:18:56.160 --> 1:18:58.040
<v Speaker 1>up or something like that. We're too poor for that.

1:18:58.520 --> 1:19:01.960
<v Speaker 1>But uh no, to answer your question, No, we guys

1:19:02.000 --> 1:19:04.720
<v Speaker 1>provide mountain house. We do not provide mountain house. I

1:19:04.720 --> 1:19:09.439
<v Speaker 1>will provide you with a folder and you're like, I

1:19:09.520 --> 1:19:11.880
<v Speaker 1>need that pan back, give you a hug, and I'll

1:19:11.920 --> 1:19:18.400
<v Speaker 1>ask you for the pen bag one day though, offer that. Yeah,

1:19:18.640 --> 1:19:21.479
<v Speaker 1>it's pretty cool. For our Idaho project this summer, we're

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<v Speaker 1>working out of Yellow Pine, Idaho with the regional biologists

1:19:25.080 --> 1:19:31.800
<v Speaker 1>out of McCall, Idaho. We have two pilots volunteering their time, airplane, fuel,

1:19:31.960 --> 1:19:35.439
<v Speaker 1>and aircraft to the project. Serious counting. This is the

1:19:35.479 --> 1:19:38.720
<v Speaker 1>first time in the Go to Lines history that we

1:19:38.800 --> 1:19:43.880
<v Speaker 1>will have two fully donated airplanes surveying from above with

1:19:44.040 --> 1:19:46.800
<v Speaker 1>boots on the ground volunteers on the mountain below. So

1:19:46.960 --> 1:19:50.639
<v Speaker 1>how do you guys get money? Do you have like state?

1:19:50.800 --> 1:19:53.560
<v Speaker 1>Do you get government Granswers just come from donors. So

1:19:53.960 --> 1:19:58.840
<v Speaker 1>we have a membership base annual annual dues. UH take

1:19:58.880 --> 1:20:02.200
<v Speaker 1>care of a lot of our operation aational expenses. What's

1:20:02.240 --> 1:20:04.800
<v Speaker 1>it cost to join for your thirty five bucks? We

1:20:04.840 --> 1:20:06.720
<v Speaker 1>got a three year membership for a hundred, We got

1:20:06.800 --> 1:20:10.479
<v Speaker 1>a lifetime membership for five. We have an annual business

1:20:10.520 --> 1:20:13.639
<v Speaker 1>sponsorship available for two hundred and fifty dollars. So companies

1:20:13.680 --> 1:20:19.920
<v Speaker 1>like Sitka gear behind us UM and are also going

1:20:20.000 --> 1:20:24.560
<v Speaker 1>above and beyond sponsoring our educational projects and donating to

1:20:24.680 --> 1:20:30.080
<v Speaker 1>our conservation fund UM. Besides that, we do a trade

1:20:30.080 --> 1:20:32.519
<v Speaker 1>show circuit every Winner, and that's kind of our bread

1:20:32.600 --> 1:20:35.760
<v Speaker 1>and butter. We got a pretty pretty badass logo, and

1:20:35.840 --> 1:20:38.439
<v Speaker 1>so people like our shirts and hoodies and T shirts,

1:20:38.520 --> 1:20:40.200
<v Speaker 1>and to be honest with you, that's where a lot

1:20:40.240 --> 1:20:44.639
<v Speaker 1>of our revenue comes from selling shirts. What's your guys website?

1:20:45.439 --> 1:20:52.320
<v Speaker 1>We have a handful of domains and it's a backwards

1:20:52.479 --> 1:20:55.760
<v Speaker 1>question mark and then no, it's go tolions dot org,

1:20:56.560 --> 1:20:58.720
<v Speaker 1>r m g A dot org. Did you have any

1:20:58.760 --> 1:21:03.240
<v Speaker 1>problem finding that dot org? Go to Alliance dot org.

1:21:03.360 --> 1:21:06.320
<v Speaker 1>What's really funny, though, is we were talking about someone

1:21:06.400 --> 1:21:10.479
<v Speaker 1>else has Mediator dot com or something. There's like a

1:21:10.680 --> 1:21:15.120
<v Speaker 1>junior high school girls cheerleader squad that uses the same

1:21:15.240 --> 1:21:18.680
<v Speaker 1>acronym rm g A. So if you look at Instagram

1:21:18.840 --> 1:21:22.240
<v Speaker 1>hashtag rm g A, it's tons of mountain goats and

1:21:22.320 --> 1:21:25.240
<v Speaker 1>then like twelve year old girls doing backflips. Yeah, it's

1:21:25.280 --> 1:21:28.760
<v Speaker 1>pretty weird. But they didn't lock up your website though. No,

1:21:29.760 --> 1:21:32.599
<v Speaker 1>tell me a get what it is Goat Alliance dot org.

1:21:34.040 --> 1:21:36.600
<v Speaker 1>All right, So if you've drawn a goat tag and

1:21:36.640 --> 1:21:39.960
<v Speaker 1>see this, I had to stick by this because I

1:21:40.040 --> 1:21:42.720
<v Speaker 1>did draw a limited draw goatag in Alaska one. If

1:21:42.760 --> 1:21:44.720
<v Speaker 1>you draw a goat tag, you have to go down

1:21:44.800 --> 1:21:51.080
<v Speaker 1>there and kick in man, come volunteer with us, lace

1:21:51.160 --> 1:21:54.240
<v Speaker 1>your boots up. Yeah, go look at some mountain goats.

1:21:55.400 --> 1:21:57.519
<v Speaker 1>I love looking at mountain goat me too. I like

1:21:57.600 --> 1:21:59.640
<v Speaker 1>how you sometimes stumble into them in weird places to

1:21:59.760 --> 1:22:01.720
<v Speaker 1>like when snow gets deeply come down the timber a

1:22:01.760 --> 1:22:05.520
<v Speaker 1>little bit more so. Just last week, north of Bozeman,

1:22:05.960 --> 1:22:09.760
<v Speaker 1>a giant billy showed up just off a county road

1:22:09.800 --> 1:22:12.960
<v Speaker 1>in the Bridger Mountains, and a buddy of mine was

1:22:13.000 --> 1:22:14.920
<v Speaker 1>out looking for bears, and he said, you're not gonna

1:22:14.960 --> 1:22:16.800
<v Speaker 1>believe what I'm looking at right now. It's like I

1:22:16.880 --> 1:22:20.320
<v Speaker 1>gotta go two hundred yards off the county road. Start

1:22:20.400 --> 1:22:22.599
<v Speaker 1>sending me pictures of it. What was he doing looking

1:22:22.640 --> 1:22:26.720
<v Speaker 1>for bears? No? No, no, what was the goat doing eating? Yeah?

1:22:26.760 --> 1:22:29.920
<v Speaker 1>He was just eating down in a super green gut

1:22:30.400 --> 1:22:32.280
<v Speaker 1>right off a county road, just fed all the way

1:22:32.280 --> 1:22:36.120
<v Speaker 1>down to the flat. Yep. So I got it. I was.

1:22:36.320 --> 1:22:38.160
<v Speaker 1>I was at work, and I got on the horn

1:22:38.240 --> 1:22:40.599
<v Speaker 1>and called a handful of photographers I know in town

1:22:40.840 --> 1:22:43.519
<v Speaker 1>and one of them was free, and he bombed up

1:22:43.560 --> 1:22:46.760
<v Speaker 1>there and photographed this thing. And it's like easily a

1:22:46.840 --> 1:22:50.479
<v Speaker 1>twelve year old billy by himself, two yards off the

1:22:50.520 --> 1:22:56.760
<v Speaker 1>county road and like borderline Antelope country, pretty wild. Hey

1:22:56.880 --> 1:22:58.800
<v Speaker 1>was it you? Was it you that this guy that

1:22:58.880 --> 1:23:01.120
<v Speaker 1>got our friend Randa will Lams into a bear? I

1:23:01.840 --> 1:23:04.840
<v Speaker 1>did go hunting with Randall Williams this past weekend. Yes,

1:23:04.920 --> 1:23:07.320
<v Speaker 1>and you got a bear? We got a bear. He

1:23:07.400 --> 1:23:09.720
<v Speaker 1>was pretty excited. Oh yeah, Randall is a good friend

1:23:09.760 --> 1:23:11.479
<v Speaker 1>of mine. Randall and I went to high school together.

1:23:12.000 --> 1:23:15.479
<v Speaker 1>And uh, I've taken Randall bear hunt. Randall's a very

1:23:15.479 --> 1:23:17.680
<v Speaker 1>accomplished hunter, but I have, So I shouldn't have said

1:23:17.680 --> 1:23:21.760
<v Speaker 1>you got him into a bear? Well, I heard a

1:23:21.840 --> 1:23:23.760
<v Speaker 1>rumor that you had found the bear. Yeah, I go

1:23:23.880 --> 1:23:27.200
<v Speaker 1>watching the bear for about two weeks. Yeah, I'd go

1:23:27.240 --> 1:23:30.320
<v Speaker 1>see him every night. Is that right? He's holding tight? Yeah.

1:23:30.360 --> 1:23:32.560
<v Speaker 1>So Randall Randall's very good friend of mine, and I

1:23:32.680 --> 1:23:36.799
<v Speaker 1>had taken Randall hunting here for bears in southwest Montana.

1:23:36.960 --> 1:23:40.120
<v Speaker 1>This is our third year doing it. In two thousand

1:23:40.240 --> 1:23:44.280
<v Speaker 1>fourteen and two thousand fifteen, it got real western it.

1:23:44.880 --> 1:23:50.559
<v Speaker 1>We just had these really god awful backpacking trips where

1:23:50.560 --> 1:23:53.960
<v Speaker 1>we got way in over our head. Uh a combination

1:23:54.040 --> 1:23:57.200
<v Speaker 1>of weather and trying to figure out new hunting spots

1:23:57.360 --> 1:23:59.880
<v Speaker 1>and it was just a total goat rope and never

1:24:00.080 --> 1:24:03.240
<v Speaker 1>got Randall of bear. And it was kind of on

1:24:03.439 --> 1:24:06.400
<v Speaker 1>me because I was showing him around my hunting spots,

1:24:06.439 --> 1:24:09.280
<v Speaker 1>you know, and we got ourselves into some pretty god

1:24:09.360 --> 1:24:13.519
<v Speaker 1>awful situations on a handful of different occasions this year.

1:24:13.760 --> 1:24:16.760
<v Speaker 1>I was like, I knew when he was coming. I

1:24:16.920 --> 1:24:19.720
<v Speaker 1>was gonna drop everything to make it happen, and so

1:24:19.880 --> 1:24:24.840
<v Speaker 1>we did. We invested a lot of time scouting before. Yeah,

1:24:24.880 --> 1:24:26.880
<v Speaker 1>we found a bunch of them, but this one was

1:24:27.760 --> 1:24:32.160
<v Speaker 1>extremely consistent. It took us five and a half hours

1:24:32.280 --> 1:24:34.880
<v Speaker 1>to get to him. Randall shot him at four hundred

1:24:34.880 --> 1:24:37.680
<v Speaker 1>and thirty one yards five and a half hours to

1:24:37.720 --> 1:24:39.280
<v Speaker 1>get over to him, or to get to hike up

1:24:39.320 --> 1:24:41.160
<v Speaker 1>into where he was. Took us five and a half

1:24:41.240 --> 1:24:45.000
<v Speaker 1>hours when I left the truck to when we put

1:24:45.040 --> 1:24:47.599
<v Speaker 1>a rifle on the ground to shoot. It was far.

1:24:48.600 --> 1:24:50.679
<v Speaker 1>It's easy to put a spot in scope on something.

1:24:50.800 --> 1:24:53.519
<v Speaker 1>It's a little tougher to walk over to him. Yeah,

1:24:53.520 --> 1:24:55.320
<v Speaker 1>we used to wind up, like when I used to

1:24:55.320 --> 1:24:58.320
<v Speaker 1>do a lot of spring bear hunting here, we'd wind up.

1:24:58.400 --> 1:25:00.880
<v Speaker 1>Just got some miserable situation his band because the weather

1:25:01.000 --> 1:25:03.320
<v Speaker 1>was very erratic. Oh my gosh. Yeah, we were hiking

1:25:03.360 --> 1:25:08.000
<v Speaker 1>and anywhere from two inches to two ft of snow.

1:25:08.240 --> 1:25:10.559
<v Speaker 1>We got some snow late last week and it's stuck.

1:25:11.479 --> 1:25:14.680
<v Speaker 1>So our whole hike was in the snow and it

1:25:14.760 --> 1:25:16.559
<v Speaker 1>was pretty shallow. But then you get on the north

1:25:16.680 --> 1:25:19.439
<v Speaker 1>face and you'd be up to your hip until this stuff,

1:25:19.479 --> 1:25:21.679
<v Speaker 1>and it's just miserable. Remember that, just on a getting

1:25:21.680 --> 1:25:24.560
<v Speaker 1>off again with snow shoes. I'm not smart enough to

1:25:24.560 --> 1:25:27.720
<v Speaker 1>carry those. I just post hole my Oh yeah, man,

1:25:27.800 --> 1:25:30.320
<v Speaker 1>it's nice that spring snow. You can just grease across

1:25:31.560 --> 1:25:34.559
<v Speaker 1>all right, Sonny, Chris, Uh, Chris, Gil Yet you got

1:25:34.640 --> 1:25:40.680
<v Speaker 1>concluding thoughts? Uh, you're thinking about dinner. Yeah, I kind

1:25:40.720 --> 1:25:44.160
<v Speaker 1>of think about dinner, enjoy the conversation, learned a whole bunch.

1:25:44.720 --> 1:25:49.240
<v Speaker 1>I like learning. I want to hear more about Uh

1:25:52.520 --> 1:25:54.920
<v Speaker 1>oh yeah, I do. You don't have that point, No, no,

1:25:55.160 --> 1:25:57.840
<v Speaker 1>I do. It's kind of off topic, but it kind

1:25:57.880 --> 1:26:00.960
<v Speaker 1>of goes back to the suffering. Um on that first

1:26:01.000 --> 1:26:04.679
<v Speaker 1>shoot that I was on a b C. We're talking

1:26:04.680 --> 1:26:08.160
<v Speaker 1>about like observing, observing animals, and I'd like never seen

1:26:08.960 --> 1:26:11.200
<v Speaker 1>why I'd seem like a black bear on a ski

1:26:11.360 --> 1:26:14.519
<v Speaker 1>lift in the summertime. He was riding the ski lift. No, yeah, yeah,

1:26:14.520 --> 1:26:19.040
<v Speaker 1>he was sitting um, but I had not ever seen

1:26:19.160 --> 1:26:22.960
<v Speaker 1>like a wild grizzly bear, and like we saw one

1:26:23.000 --> 1:26:25.000
<v Speaker 1>one of those early days. But then it was like,

1:26:25.560 --> 1:26:29.040
<v Speaker 1>uh we saw that pack that dude came in on top. Yeah,

1:26:29.280 --> 1:26:31.840
<v Speaker 1>and that one was really that was cool, man. And

1:26:31.920 --> 1:26:34.280
<v Speaker 1>then it was just like after that week of fog

1:26:34.400 --> 1:26:37.160
<v Speaker 1>and rain and snow and hail and like the whole thing,

1:26:37.360 --> 1:26:41.160
<v Speaker 1>and then we're just seeing those ones like feeding and

1:26:41.240 --> 1:26:43.720
<v Speaker 1>flipping boulders over and just moving. It was like so

1:26:44.040 --> 1:26:49.439
<v Speaker 1>worth all that gnarly suffering just like watching it, you know,

1:26:49.880 --> 1:26:51.639
<v Speaker 1>And I don't know if that's just because I don't

1:26:51.640 --> 1:26:54.240
<v Speaker 1>get to do that often. But no, dude, it's magical

1:26:54.280 --> 1:26:57.120
<v Speaker 1>to watch. Yeah. Magic was a good word. It's it's

1:26:57.160 --> 1:26:59.320
<v Speaker 1>magical to watch them. One of the things I wanted

1:26:59.320 --> 1:27:00.840
<v Speaker 1>to talk about, We're gonna have to save it as

1:27:00.880 --> 1:27:05.000
<v Speaker 1>I was gonna talk about some current political issues surrounding

1:27:05.080 --> 1:27:10.439
<v Speaker 1>that animal. But um, yeah, man, it's cool. It's it's uh,

1:27:11.320 --> 1:27:17.080
<v Speaker 1>it's you feel privileged. Yeah, that's the word. Especially outside

1:27:17.120 --> 1:27:19.560
<v Speaker 1>of the park. Oh yeah, you know. We used to

1:27:19.560 --> 1:27:22.400
<v Speaker 1>always have a thing like when people be like, oh

1:27:22.439 --> 1:27:25.519
<v Speaker 1>I saw a blank, we didn't count it if you

1:27:25.560 --> 1:27:28.000
<v Speaker 1>saw in the park. So you'd be like, have you

1:27:28.080 --> 1:27:29.920
<v Speaker 1>ever seen a wolf and be like, oh yeah, in

1:27:30.120 --> 1:27:43.519
<v Speaker 1>the park, Like that's not I'm talking about the real ones. Man. Yeah, yeah,

1:27:43.920 --> 1:27:46.160
<v Speaker 1>that's it. That's all I got. You don't want to

1:27:46.200 --> 1:27:48.120
<v Speaker 1>plug your new Fish to Eat T shirts ever? Sale?

1:27:48.320 --> 1:27:51.639
<v Speaker 1>It is, I like it. It's not selling. People don't

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<v Speaker 1>want to fish to Eat shirt. Yeah, And we forgot

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<v Speaker 1>to get that picture today. I clad to Whitey today

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<v Speaker 1>on the head man, I had my T shirt on it,

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<v Speaker 1>and we totally forgot he's something on a mountain. Whitefish

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<v Speaker 1>not whitefish. Yeah, people don't like a fish to eat shirt. Well,

1:28:07.439 --> 1:28:09.280
<v Speaker 1>you know what it is, We're probably just not marketing

1:28:09.320 --> 1:28:11.760
<v Speaker 1>it properly. They might like it better if you gave

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<v Speaker 1>all the proceeds back. That's right, they start giving them away. Um,

1:28:20.320 --> 1:28:22.519
<v Speaker 1>I got yeah, that would be my concluding thought. Is

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<v Speaker 1>today fishing as much as I'm always talking about, how like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that five fishing, I'm not gonna I'm not that into

1:28:28.240 --> 1:28:31.680
<v Speaker 1>five fishing anymore. I was enjoying. I was telling Chris.

1:28:31.720 --> 1:28:33.160
<v Speaker 1>I was like, you know, I'm not really into like,

1:28:33.240 --> 1:28:34.960
<v Speaker 1>I don't need to catch a bunch of fish right now.

1:28:35.040 --> 1:28:37.680
<v Speaker 1>But standing here waters washing, rushing around, they got a

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<v Speaker 1>nice view. There's something nice about this. I'm having fun.

1:28:42.240 --> 1:28:44.000
<v Speaker 1>And then I caught a fish and then all of

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<v Speaker 1>a sudden, man, I was just like change, yeah, man,

1:28:47.760 --> 1:28:50.800
<v Speaker 1>my focus got into like like all right, I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 1>really pick apart this riffle now, and just started like

1:28:53.720 --> 1:28:55.680
<v Speaker 1>you know, getting all technical, and I could feel this

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<v Speaker 1>like energy, and I was like, man, I really didn't

1:28:58.280 --> 1:29:00.720
<v Speaker 1>like what you caught the fish though, Yeah, because I've

1:29:00.800 --> 1:29:05.400
<v Speaker 1>noticed that fishing with people, how when someone catches the fish,

1:29:05.560 --> 1:29:07.800
<v Speaker 1>all the lazy asses all of a sudden start fishing

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<v Speaker 1>hard for twenty minutes. You'd all interested all such you

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<v Speaker 1>watch the kind of fade away, you know. Yeah, concluding though, Pete, Well,

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<v Speaker 1>it John Muir's birthday, so he uh, he was born

1:29:28.680 --> 1:29:31.400
<v Speaker 1>on the day Prince died. It's a weird way to

1:29:31.439 --> 1:29:34.559
<v Speaker 1>look at it, but it's extremely factor. That would mean

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<v Speaker 1>nothing to him. No, he wouldn't be too concerned about that.

1:29:37.400 --> 1:29:41.599
<v Speaker 1>I'd say, what prints, So tell me about that. What's

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<v Speaker 1>that mean to you? Well? John Muir's extremely uh inspirational

1:29:48.320 --> 1:29:53.679
<v Speaker 1>conservationists that I look up to, and you know, founder

1:29:53.720 --> 1:29:58.599
<v Speaker 1>of the Sierra Club and everything that he's done. And yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>just my social media got blowing up with John Mire

1:30:01.120 --> 1:30:02.920
<v Speaker 1>quotes today. It was awesome. Sorry is he has some

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<v Speaker 1>good ones? Oh? I got like six in my head

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<v Speaker 1>right now. Can you give me one or two? I

1:30:06.200 --> 1:30:09.320
<v Speaker 1>think my favorite one I read today, I hadn't heard

1:30:09.360 --> 1:30:12.200
<v Speaker 1>it yet. Everybody knows the mountains are calling and I

1:30:12.280 --> 1:30:15.360
<v Speaker 1>gotta go and whatever. And the one I heard today

1:30:15.360 --> 1:30:19.599
<v Speaker 1>I've never heard before. It was between every two pines

1:30:20.040 --> 1:30:23.200
<v Speaker 1>is a doorway to a new world. And that kind

1:30:23.240 --> 1:30:25.800
<v Speaker 1>of struck home for me. I like, I like walking

1:30:25.840 --> 1:30:30.360
<v Speaker 1>through the woods. You get anymore? I said, I had six, right,

1:30:30.479 --> 1:30:35.600
<v Speaker 1>So I no, I think that's it. I guess my

1:30:35.680 --> 1:30:38.320
<v Speaker 1>only ending note would be, uh, you know, I like

1:30:38.439 --> 1:30:40.439
<v Speaker 1>there was a miracle. I like when he was going

1:30:40.560 --> 1:30:44.559
<v Speaker 1>up I can't remember it, but he was went up nearer.

1:30:44.600 --> 1:30:47.960
<v Speaker 1>I have a cabin in Alaska, and he had talked

1:30:48.000 --> 1:30:50.360
<v Speaker 1>about I'm gonna mutilate it. But he had talked about,

1:30:50.600 --> 1:30:54.680
<v Speaker 1>um that the islands. You know, there's so many of them.

1:30:54.760 --> 1:30:57.320
<v Speaker 1>They look scattered like someone who had been sowing seed.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh but I remember the quote. It was a doozy

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<v Speaker 1>though talk about a visual Wow, good stuff. Do you

1:31:05.439 --> 1:31:08.840
<v Speaker 1>have any concluding thoughts? Yeah, you know, I'm going to

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<v Speaker 1>offer some postive nights super still thinking about getting my

1:31:14.200 --> 1:31:16.679
<v Speaker 1>dual citizenship over here. I'm figuring out what the value

1:31:16.760 --> 1:31:20.400
<v Speaker 1>is going to be. Uh you know, my mind is

1:31:20.560 --> 1:31:22.639
<v Speaker 1>just running and thinking about how the heck we can

1:31:24.920 --> 1:31:27.519
<v Speaker 1>well I think too too concluding thoughts. I'm really interested

1:31:27.520 --> 1:31:29.800
<v Speaker 1>in how we can educate people to not jo Nanny's Like,

1:31:29.840 --> 1:31:31.680
<v Speaker 1>that's a tough one, Like what do you what do

1:31:31.720 --> 1:31:35.040
<v Speaker 1>you do to people? Here's all it takes in my mind.

1:31:35.320 --> 1:31:40.720
<v Speaker 1>Like I generally feel that people with notable exceptions, I

1:31:40.920 --> 1:31:45.200
<v Speaker 1>generally feel that people want to do the right thing. Okay.

1:31:45.600 --> 1:31:53.200
<v Speaker 1>People are generally very receptive to information that will help

1:31:53.280 --> 1:31:58.519
<v Speaker 1>them do a better job in life in the out

1:31:58.560 --> 1:32:02.559
<v Speaker 1>of doors, especially if you can say and here's why

1:32:02.880 --> 1:32:06.400
<v Speaker 1>that matters. Yeah, I don't disagree. I think yeah, I

1:32:06.400 --> 1:32:07.640
<v Speaker 1>mean it has to take it. I think that's what

1:32:07.720 --> 1:32:09.960
<v Speaker 1>you've you've discuss is how do we deliver what is

1:32:10.000 --> 1:32:11.920
<v Speaker 1>that better information? How do you deliver it to people?

1:32:13.040 --> 1:32:15.080
<v Speaker 1>Get them to actually read it? People don't read stuff

1:32:15.720 --> 1:32:18.519
<v Speaker 1>that type of stuff. Remember like with the with the

1:32:18.960 --> 1:32:22.800
<v Speaker 1>with the grizzly brown bear thing. I remember watching the

1:32:22.880 --> 1:32:28.840
<v Speaker 1>thing put out by UM the Wildlife Management Agency and

1:32:28.960 --> 1:32:33.680
<v Speaker 1>Yukon saying that if UM we restricted the harvest to

1:32:33.720 --> 1:32:37.760
<v Speaker 1>mails only, we'd have three times as made bear text.

1:32:38.560 --> 1:32:41.640
<v Speaker 1>I think, I think Alaska. I think, I know I

1:32:41.640 --> 1:32:44.000
<v Speaker 1>could be wrong, could this up? But they have Alaska

1:32:44.200 --> 1:32:46.280
<v Speaker 1>Parting Fish Game put out this. It's like an hour

1:32:46.360 --> 1:32:50.120
<v Speaker 1>long video all about identifying bore for brown bear hunts.

1:32:50.400 --> 1:32:53.679
<v Speaker 1>But I think right, maybe it was. And I believe

1:32:53.720 --> 1:32:56.120
<v Speaker 1>they require you to have it to watch it, don't

1:32:56.160 --> 1:33:00.160
<v Speaker 1>I mean loosely require you. But I say you watch

1:33:00.439 --> 1:33:02.120
<v Speaker 1>some bitch of thousand times and still look at a

1:33:02.160 --> 1:33:04.639
<v Speaker 1>bear and like, man, I cannot tell every bear looks

1:33:04.720 --> 1:33:08.519
<v Speaker 1>big when it's alive. But the p thing it's good stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, I've heard a lot of people, a lot

1:33:11.720 --> 1:33:13.760
<v Speaker 1>of people say about observing bears, like do you really

1:33:13.840 --> 1:33:16.680
<v Speaker 1>want to know? Wait for pete. But the problem on

1:33:16.800 --> 1:33:18.519
<v Speaker 1>bears like a goat, you might have a long time

1:33:18.560 --> 1:33:19.840
<v Speaker 1>to watch the goat and you might be able to

1:33:19.960 --> 1:33:22.599
<v Speaker 1>find him again tomorrow. Bears Man a lot of times

1:33:23.720 --> 1:33:25.519
<v Speaker 1>and I disappeared. Maybe it's just like there he is.

1:33:25.600 --> 1:33:27.040
<v Speaker 1>Then it's like then you look for him for a

1:33:27.080 --> 1:33:29.559
<v Speaker 1>week and you never find him again. What was your

1:33:29.560 --> 1:33:31.880
<v Speaker 1>You got a second concluding thought? Yeah, so my my

1:33:32.040 --> 1:33:35.960
<v Speaker 1>last thought for the concluding concluding including thought for this

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<v Speaker 1>shameless plug is this to your your question, Chris, about

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<v Speaker 1>that guy in Florida that wants to volunteer, got it?

1:33:44.960 --> 1:33:46.880
<v Speaker 1>That guy more than wants to volunteer, And here you

1:33:47.000 --> 1:33:49.479
<v Speaker 1>are struggling to get volunteers and and part of the

1:33:49.600 --> 1:33:51.639
<v Speaker 1>organization two percent that we're trying to do, it's it's

1:33:51.680 --> 1:33:56.040
<v Speaker 1>foster all this this volunteerism is that I'm just excited

1:33:56.040 --> 1:33:58.560
<v Speaker 1>to hear about those questions and and hopefully what we

1:33:58.600 --> 1:34:01.080
<v Speaker 1>can accomplish is is can acting that guy up with

1:34:01.240 --> 1:34:06.280
<v Speaker 1>this organization and getting people out there to to get involved. Yeah,

1:34:06.320 --> 1:34:09.040
<v Speaker 1>you could get some contractor that gives a ship to

1:34:09.120 --> 1:34:13.439
<v Speaker 1>fly Chris out from Chicago out here to help. Did

1:34:13.479 --> 1:34:15.519
<v Speaker 1>you have someone in mind in Miami? No, I just

1:34:15.640 --> 1:34:18.120
<v Speaker 1>it's far away. Just feel like feel like a far

1:34:18.160 --> 1:34:20.160
<v Speaker 1>away place. I mean, I'll sweet to be that guy

1:34:20.240 --> 1:34:22.280
<v Speaker 1>that he works for a business in Miami and that

1:34:22.439 --> 1:34:25.840
<v Speaker 1>that business is telling all the employees like, go along too,

1:34:25.880 --> 1:34:28.960
<v Speaker 1>We're gonna pay you today. Go put the Montan account goats.

1:34:29.600 --> 1:34:34.800
<v Speaker 1>I like it. It's yeah, doing stuff. I uh, let

1:34:34.840 --> 1:34:40.240
<v Speaker 1>me start that thought over. I reaped the benefits quite literally,

1:34:40.360 --> 1:34:47.680
<v Speaker 1>reaped the benefits of the out of doors for decades

1:34:49.920 --> 1:34:56.479
<v Speaker 1>before I ever thought about settling up the debt that

1:34:56.640 --> 1:35:01.679
<v Speaker 1>I had a crude during a life time of amazing

1:35:01.760 --> 1:35:05.760
<v Speaker 1>adventures and seeing things that no one's ever seen and

1:35:06.479 --> 1:35:08.760
<v Speaker 1>doing stuff that I will think about it for the

1:35:08.800 --> 1:35:11.560
<v Speaker 1>rest of my life. It's just like I think that

1:35:11.720 --> 1:35:14.720
<v Speaker 1>people get to a point when they go like, holy shit,

1:35:14.880 --> 1:35:20.320
<v Speaker 1>have I had it good? You know, maybe it's about

1:35:20.520 --> 1:35:25.880
<v Speaker 1>time I don't just think about everything that that the

1:35:25.920 --> 1:35:28.800
<v Speaker 1>outdoors is going to give to me, pay it forward. Yeah,

1:35:29.720 --> 1:35:31.960
<v Speaker 1>it hits people. I mean some people. It doesn't some

1:35:32.080 --> 1:35:35.240
<v Speaker 1>people that hit the young. But uh, I think that

1:35:35.280 --> 1:35:39.160
<v Speaker 1>in some way, you know, organizations like like what you

1:35:39.200 --> 1:35:40.640
<v Speaker 1>guys are trying to do it just to sort of

1:35:40.720 --> 1:35:43.800
<v Speaker 1>say to people, listen, man, and I say this all

1:35:43.800 --> 1:35:47.160
<v Speaker 1>the time. We live in the good old days, by

1:35:47.520 --> 1:35:53.160
<v Speaker 1>many standards, by many measurements. Right now it's the good

1:35:53.160 --> 1:35:56.240
<v Speaker 1>old days. There's a tremendous amount of opportunity out there.

1:35:56.240 --> 1:35:58.000
<v Speaker 1>It's a lot of elk in North America right now.

1:35:58.120 --> 1:36:02.160
<v Speaker 1>It's just but it's not by accident. It was by

1:36:02.200 --> 1:36:04.800
<v Speaker 1>accident a d fifty years not by accident. It was

1:36:05.400 --> 1:36:09.720
<v Speaker 1>there a hundred fifty years ago. We messed it up.

1:36:11.000 --> 1:36:14.240
<v Speaker 1>It was built back. I'm speaking very specifically to the US.

1:36:14.600 --> 1:36:18.840
<v Speaker 1>It was built back from the ground up. The resources,

1:36:18.920 --> 1:36:21.760
<v Speaker 1>hunting and fishing resources we have in large measure by

1:36:21.840 --> 1:36:26.560
<v Speaker 1>hunters and fishermen. That needs to be continued because it

1:36:26.600 --> 1:36:29.800
<v Speaker 1>can very easily go in the other direction. Yep, yep,

1:36:30.880 --> 1:36:33.360
<v Speaker 1>you got it. And so I remember my fourth bullet

1:36:33.360 --> 1:36:36.400
<v Speaker 1>point right which ding ties right in, because I was

1:36:36.479 --> 1:36:37.960
<v Speaker 1>thinking a lot I was taking a lot less of

1:36:37.960 --> 1:36:41.160
<v Speaker 1>you through. Don't even know what's on the website that

1:36:41.200 --> 1:36:46.040
<v Speaker 1>I wrote, but but it's recruitment and retention. It's about

1:36:46.439 --> 1:36:51.240
<v Speaker 1>you know, getting youth, minorities, middle aged people who have

1:36:51.320 --> 1:36:53.400
<v Speaker 1>never hunted or add the opportunity hunting fish. You know,

1:36:53.520 --> 1:36:55.560
<v Speaker 1>how do we how do we get people involved and

1:36:55.680 --> 1:36:58.280
<v Speaker 1>educate them on what controvation is and the way our

1:36:58.360 --> 1:37:00.760
<v Speaker 1>our model of conservation funny of our state and wild

1:37:00.840 --> 1:37:04.479
<v Speaker 1>life agenctates works. We need people to buy it, fishing licenses,

1:37:04.560 --> 1:37:08.880
<v Speaker 1>hunting tags. Right, So so what are we doing? Very

1:37:08.960 --> 1:37:11.120
<v Speaker 1>little hard funding from the states. Right If people are

1:37:11.600 --> 1:37:15.000
<v Speaker 1>people aren't fishing, hunting, then then they're struggling and funding.

1:37:15.040 --> 1:37:18.760
<v Speaker 1>So so recruitment and and getting new people involved in

1:37:18.840 --> 1:37:20.920
<v Speaker 1>hunting and taking somebody out to fish for their first

1:37:21.000 --> 1:37:25.960
<v Speaker 1>time so important. So organizations that that are have programs

1:37:26.080 --> 1:37:29.120
<v Speaker 1>that that focus on that type of activity are are crucial.

1:37:30.479 --> 1:37:34.000
<v Speaker 1>All right, Get any last because there's a lot built

1:37:34.080 --> 1:37:36.880
<v Speaker 1>up after your concluding thought. I don't have a concluding thought,

1:37:36.920 --> 1:37:38.920
<v Speaker 1>and I kind of gave my concluding thought, oh thought,

1:37:38.920 --> 1:37:45.280
<v Speaker 1>yours is great about you know what to get back

1:37:45.479 --> 1:37:49.320
<v Speaker 1>those get concluding thought though. All right, thank you guys

1:37:49.400 --> 1:37:51.800
<v Speaker 1>for coming down, Thank you for having Thank you very

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<v Speaker 1>much for having us