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Speaker 1: This was another trademark terrible opening, perfect, perfect, I'll buy it.

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Speaker 1: In today's episode, working title is Pat Buchanan, my dad's

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Speaker 1: I love it. So, how y'all doing today? The same

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Speaker 1: to talk about Pat Buchanon. Pat. It's Pat. Whenever I

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Speaker 1: he is Patrick Joseph be Cannon was born on November two.

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Speaker 1: His father was a partner in an accounting firm and

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Speaker 1: Veterans Heritage Not Hate. As a young boy, Buchanan's heroes

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Speaker 1: You've got Nazis and Mike Clansmen. Got Klansman in my Nazis?

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Speaker 1: Say your grandfathers K Christ is KKK and then it's

425
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Speaker 1: like xxx triple extreme KKK because that was necessary. Now.

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Speaker 1: Duke and moderate infamy for running a clan border watch

427
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Speaker 1: and when he left the KKK in nineteen eighty he

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Speaker 1: formed the National Association for the Advancement of White People,

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Speaker 1: which I mean, if I don't know, if you guys

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Speaker 1: are paying attention by in nineteen eighty rough years for

431
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Speaker 1: white guy. Yeah, that was bad for white people. Yeah,

432
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Speaker 1: it was a rough time. So I got Thank god

433
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Speaker 1: we moved past those days. In night nine he was left.

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Speaker 1: It is a representative in the Louisiana House of Representatives

435
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Speaker 1: winning that's too much. That's too much. Yeah, so he

436
00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:11,880
Speaker 1: got He got elected in Louisiana. According to the Daily

437
00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:14,919
Speaker 1: Beast quote, Duke touted himself as a pro life, fiscal

438
00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:16,960
Speaker 1: conservative was known as an ex clan leader. He is

439
00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:19,520
Speaker 1: schewed overly racist language and instead pointed a crime in

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Speaker 1: the city, criticizing affirmative action and minority set asides see

441
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Speaker 1: by x senaying on the racism just a little bit,

442
00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:29,840
Speaker 1: not even a lot, just just just a scooch and

443
00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:32,680
Speaker 1: emphasizing crime and focusing on his desire to shut down

444
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Speaker 1: welfare and stop affirmative action, Duke was able to build

445
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Speaker 1: a surprisingly strong coalition of voters for a guy who

446
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Speaker 1: had literally marched in public wearing a Nazi uniform. Good

447
00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:44,639
Speaker 1: for him, for him, Duke continued to run for numerous

448
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Speaker 1: positions during the late nineteen eighties, including the U. S.

449
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Speaker 1: Senate and the presidency. He ran in nineteen nine two,

450
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Speaker 1: as well, opposing President George H. W. Bush from the

451
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Speaker 1: right as an isolationist, hammering him on taxation and on

452
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Speaker 1: the Gulf War. Since he'd one hundreds of thousands of

453
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Speaker 1: votes in Louisiana, he was considered a real threat to

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Speaker 1: Bush's chance since he was running as a member of

455
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Speaker 1: the Populist Party and wouldn't need to drop out after

456
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Speaker 1: primary season now. Duke's campaign faltered, thankfully as soon as

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Speaker 1: he left Louisiana, due to his inability to use the

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Speaker 1: Republican Party staff members to aid his campaign that he'd

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Speaker 1: used in Louisiana, and also due to the fact that

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Speaker 1: Americans outside of Louisiana were less tolerant of than neo

461
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Speaker 1: Nazi presidential candidate. To try and with him, Duke focused

462
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Speaker 1: on the an American First isolationist policy origin withdrawal from NAFTA,

463
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Speaker 1: protective tariffs, and an attack on multiculturalism and immigrant rights.

464
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Speaker 1: There it is. And of course, watching from the sidelines, well,

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Speaker 1: our little buddy Pat Buchana patch back now he saw

466
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Speaker 1: what Duke had managed to build despite the handicap of

467
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Speaker 1: being a literal Nazi, and realized, Shit, if I dress

468
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Speaker 1: this up, I can, like, I can take this lady

469
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Speaker 1: out on the town step further. Yeah I can. Good luck, Yeah,

470
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Speaker 1: good luck, good luck. Think. Several weeks before Pat announced

471
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Speaker 1: his own entrance to the campaign, he gave this advice

472
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Speaker 1: to Republicans. The way to do battle with David Duke

473
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Speaker 1: is not to go ballistic. Because Duke, as a teenager

474
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Speaker 1: paraded around in a Nazi costume to protest William Kunstler

475
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Speaker 1: during Vietnam, or to shout to the heavens that Duke

476
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:14,280
Speaker 1: had the same phone number last year as the ku

477
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Speaker 1: Klux Klan. Everybody in med Airy knows that the way

478
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Speaker 1: to deal with Mr Duke is the way the Goop

479
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Speaker 1: dealt with the far more formidable challenge of George Wallace.

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Speaker 1: Take a hard look at Duke's portfolio of winning issues

481
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Speaker 1: and expropriate those not in conflict with Geop principles. That's

482
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:33,399
Speaker 1: how you beat the literal fascist is take some ideas,

483
00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:38,639
Speaker 1: or if you can't, et cetera, do it. Do what

484
00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:42,880
Speaker 1: they say now. During the Cold War, America's conservatives had

485
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Speaker 1: literally been the opposite of isolationists, urging intervention all over

486
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Speaker 1: the damn world in order to fight communism and make

487
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Speaker 1: the world safe for, say, fruit companies. After the fall

488
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Speaker 1: of the USSR, the Republicans found themselves lashed briefly by chaos.

489
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Speaker 1: Unsure of where to swing next, Buchanan essentially charted a

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Speaker 1: new course for the American right isolationism. He wrote in

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Speaker 1: Shaping Post Cold War Foreign Policy, the contest will be

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Speaker 1: between acolytes of globalism and advocates of a new nationalism America. First,

493
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Speaker 1: I don't know why we're all snapping, but it feels right.

494
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Speaker 1: But it feels right, It feels right. I love the

495
00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:21,960
Speaker 1: things we do for this audio medium in which we

496
00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:26,600
Speaker 1: were gotta keep it, keep it snappy. Anything. Yet today

497
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Speaker 1: I have not, Well, no I did. I the last one,

498
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Speaker 1: the bottle across the thing right today being whatever. So

499
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna take a quick break, and I've got I've

500
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Speaker 1: got a closed and mostly empty bottle of Kirkland brand

501
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Speaker 1: purified water. And I have my Rusty machette, which I

502
00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:45,320
Speaker 1: made sure was rusty before. Of course trusty. Well it

503
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:47,240
Speaker 1: is trusty and rusty, and I'm gonna see if I

504
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Speaker 1: can hit those lights on the roof. Nope, that was

505
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Speaker 1: a line drive. I did. It did go a lot

506
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Speaker 1: further farther than the can, farther than the can because

507
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Speaker 1: there's a little water. Yeah, so America first cool, the

508
00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:04,840
Speaker 1: first cool, very cool. I disagree, but go on. Now.

509
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:07,720
Speaker 1: The Populist Party embraced Buchanan with even more vigor and

510
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:10,800
Speaker 1: hope than they'd embraced David Duke. There was widespread fantasy

511
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Speaker 1: among populists that Buchanan would leave the Republican Party and

512
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:16,280
Speaker 1: join them. For reference, the Populist Party was founded by

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Speaker 1: a fellon named Willis Carto. You guys ever heard of

514
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Speaker 1: Willis Carto. So we're talking about fascists, talking about the

515
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Speaker 1: fascist movement. There's two two branches of it, two big, old,

516
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:31,920
Speaker 1: big brindy branches of it. Now you got your van gardists,

517
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Speaker 1: and those are the guys who want to go all

518
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:35,920
Speaker 1: there's the guys want to go Turner Diers, You're like,

519
00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:38,560
Speaker 1: what don't we just kill people until society collapses and

520
00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:40,560
Speaker 1: then take over an orgy of blood and violence. And

521
00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:42,080
Speaker 1: then you got your main streamers, and those are the

522
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Speaker 1: people who are like, what if we just convince all

523
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Speaker 1: white people that being a nazis the way to go.

524
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Speaker 1: Willis Carto was one of the convinced all of the

525
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Speaker 1: white people that being a nazis the way to go.

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Speaker 1: Sort of dudes, uh now. Carto was also the founder

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Speaker 1: of a magazine called The Spotlight, which became America's hollo

528
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Speaker 1: aus denial paper of record, and also its editor was

529
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Speaker 1: a regular guest on Alex Jones show during his early days,

530
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:18,800
Speaker 1: Yeah Big Jim Tucker. According to Blood and Politics quote,

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Speaker 1: the Populace argued that a realignment of the right was

532
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Speaker 1: taking place via a melding of populism and national conservatism

533
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Speaker 1: into a powerful new force. On this point, the Populace

534
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:30,320
Speaker 1: proved to be essentially correct in their analysis. Among conservatives,

535
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Speaker 1: Buchanan's opposition to Bush's war plans in the New World

536
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Speaker 1: Order was not unique. The significance of Buchanan's transformation should

537
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Speaker 1: not be lost in the minutia of petty party politics.

538
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Speaker 1: He still did not fully embrace a biological determinus view

539
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:45,200
Speaker 1: of society, but without any evident intervention by white supremacists.

540
00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:47,680
Speaker 1: PET Buchanan was talking and walking much as they did

541
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Speaker 1: in the Republican ranks. PET Buchanan formally announced his candidacy

542
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:54,280
Speaker 1: for president, reclaiming the party's right flank for his own

543
00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:57,600
Speaker 1: anti New World Order politics. Just weeks before, Buchanan had

544
00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:01,320
Speaker 1: urged Republicans to adopt Duke's issues. Buchanan believe Duke's message

545
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:09,880
Speaker 1: was middle class, meritocratic, populist and nationalist. So which election was, Yeah, yeah,

546
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 1: the election that brought us Bill Clintons. So yeah. So

547
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:16,960
Speaker 1: Buchanan did well enough to get on the ballot in

548
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:19,560
Speaker 1: most American states, and he ran a solid primary campaign.

549
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:22,120
Speaker 1: Voters abandoned David Duke and droves to flock to a

550
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:24,320
Speaker 1: guy who was basically him, but without the baggage of

551
00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:27,640
Speaker 1: all the swats because he had worn Buchanan drew in

552
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:30,960
Speaker 1: America's fascist right while also pulling and disaffected middle Americans

553
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:33,880
Speaker 1: by visiting factories and small town diners and forgotten parts

554
00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:37,120
Speaker 1: of the country. On February eighteenth, Buchanan won thirty seven

555
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:39,520
Speaker 1: percent of the New Hampshire primary, losing the Bush, but

556
00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:42,560
Speaker 1: doing well enough to continue his campaign now. David Duke

557
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:44,720
Speaker 1: quit the presidential race in April after running out of

558
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Speaker 1: money and failing to win more than eleven percent in

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Speaker 1: any state Mississippi, if you're curious. In the wake of

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Speaker 1: this failure, Willis Carto's Spotlight noted that the center of

561
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:55,880
Speaker 1: gravity of the white nationalist movement had shifted towards Pat Buchanan.

562
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Speaker 1: Any hope Duke had of mounting an effective challenge to

563
00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:00,440
Speaker 1: George buss ended with the entrance of Buke Hannon into

564
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Speaker 1: the Republican race. Duke endorsed Pat after he withdrew, and

565
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:06,320
Speaker 1: Buchanan made the wise move of ignoring this, although like

566
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Speaker 1: another Republican a while later he did not repudiate his

567
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:12,120
Speaker 1: endorsement either. He won thirty six percent of the vote

568
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:15,320
Speaker 1: in Georgia in thirty two years. In Florida, Buchanan's national

569
00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:18,000
Speaker 1: support peaked in the low twenties, but began to subside

570
00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:20,120
Speaker 1: in the early summer. By the end of the primaries,

571
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Speaker 1: he decrued nearly three million votes in thirty four states

572
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Speaker 1: and raised more than fourteen million dollars. He did not

573
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Speaker 1: win the primary clearly, but Carto and his fellow fascists

574
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Speaker 1: saw Buchanan's campaign as a major win. One Spotlight op

575
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Speaker 1: ed crooned, Buchanan is saying, practically to a word, what

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Speaker 1: the Spotlight has been saying on the big issues for

577
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Speaker 1: many years. Aney. Things Spotlight is famous for is being

578
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Speaker 1: the Holocaust denial paper of record of the United States.

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Speaker 1: So that's the big issues, the big issues, the true enemy,

580
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:54,840
Speaker 1: the true enemy. Interesting like multiculturalism. I also the David Duke. Um,

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Speaker 1: isn't Steve Schaleze describing himself as David Duke without the baggage?

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Speaker 1: Jesus Christ? Did he? I'm pretty sure he did. Pitch

583
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Speaker 1: That phrase really stuck out to me when he said that.

584
00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:11,560
Speaker 1: Exactly the same. But people don't know that about me yet.

585
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Speaker 1: Exactly the same. But I don't own a swatstika that

586
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Speaker 1: you know I'm aware of. I don't know. I don't

587
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:22,600
Speaker 1: know much about Steve Schools at all, um, but I

588
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:26,160
Speaker 1: do know a lot about Pappy. Oh good. I love that. Now.

589
00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:29,680
Speaker 1: As Buchanan's popularity became clear and clear, resistance from within

590
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:32,120
Speaker 1: the Republican Party lessened, and there was a growing consensus

591
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:35,160
Speaker 1: that he spoke for a large chunk of the conservative electorate.

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Speaker 1: One of Buchanan's chief thinkers was a dude named Sam Francis.

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Speaker 1: You've got to start writing briefing papers for the Heritage Foundation.

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Speaker 1: In the nineteen eighties, he'd started writing for The Washington Times,

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Speaker 1: which is basically a right wing Washington Post. According to

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Speaker 1: Blood and Politics, it was francis his prodigious intellect that

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00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:53,240
Speaker 1: propelled the Buchanan brain trust, and that the vortex of

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00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:56,720
Speaker 1: this intellect sworld his conception of Middle American radicals. When

599
00:33:56,760 --> 00:34:00,200
Speaker 1: Francis had written that Buchanan's Middle American Radicals represented new

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00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:03,920
Speaker 1: social forces, he didn't mean new as inborn yesterday. In fact,

601
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Speaker 1: he had said much the same thing in nineteen eighty one.

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Speaker 1: By his account, Middle American Radicals, or MARS, were the

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Speaker 1: social constituency of what was then known as the New

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Speaker 1: Right at that time. Francis argued that Middle American Radicals

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Speaker 1: had expressed themselves in a string of movements throughout the

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Speaker 1: nineteen seventies against school bussing, for racial integration, against the

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Speaker 1: Equal Rights Amendment, against the seating of the Panama Canal,

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Speaker 1: and then finally in electing Ronald Reagan president. MARS were

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Speaker 1: both a social movement and a class not simply a

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Speaker 1: middle class and not simply an economic category, but in

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Speaker 1: the broadest sense, a political class. Francis declared that the

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Speaker 1: Buchanan Revolution as the emergence of a new political identity

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Speaker 1: that he believed would come to dominate right wing politics

614
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Speaker 1: in the future. Margins, as he called them, were anti elite,

615
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Speaker 1: opposed to black civil rights improvements, and, in his words,

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Speaker 1: caught in the middle between those whose wealth gives them

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Speaker 1: access to power and those whose militant organization gained special

618
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Speaker 1: treatment from the government. You see what we're building here.

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Speaker 1: It's unlike anything that comes later. It doesn't sound m

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Speaker 1: new necessarily. Yeah, three symbols. I don't know, Yeah, maybe

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Speaker 1: a little bit. At the Republican Party convention, President Bush

622
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:16,200
Speaker 1: bowed to the influence of Pat Buchanan by giving him

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Speaker 1: a primetime speaking spot right before Ronald Reagan and his speech.

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00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:22,840
Speaker 1: Buchanan stated that a culture war within America had replaced

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Speaker 1: the Cold War. My friends, this election is about much

626
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:28,719
Speaker 1: more than who gets what. It is about who we are.

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Speaker 1: It is about what we believe. It is about what

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00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:33,960
Speaker 1: we stand for as Americans. There is a religious war

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Speaker 1: going on in our country. For the soul of America.

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Speaker 1: It is a cultural war as critical to the kind

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Speaker 1: of nation we will one day become, as was the

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Speaker 1: Cold War itself. Yeah cool, Yeah, it is sounding familiar.

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Speaker 1: Who was standing a little familiar? I can't wait. Didn't

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Speaker 1: he say that he paved the way for Donald Trump

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Speaker 1: or something like that? You sure did? Yeah? Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: he sure did. He also sure did, sure did not.

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Speaker 1: He's not wrong about that. In nineteen ninety six, Pat

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Speaker 1: Buchanan ran as a Republican again, this time aimed at

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Speaker 1: unseating Clinton rather than a sitting Republican president. His popularity

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Speaker 1: was immediately shocking to the Republican Party leadership. Buchanan won

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Speaker 1: the New Hampshire primary handily by focusing on his desire

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Speaker 1: to stop foreign workers from entering the United States to

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Speaker 1: undercut American salaries. Buchanan won the highest percentage of New

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Speaker 1: Hampshire voters concerned about jobs in the economy. Sixty percent

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Speaker 1: of his voters described themselves as very conservative and part

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Speaker 1: of the religious right. After Super Tuesday, a poll revealed

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Speaker 1: that fifty four percent of those who considered abortion their

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Speaker 1: most important issue voted for Buchanan, along with forty six

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Speaker 1: percent of those most who were most concerned with the immigration.

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Speaker 1: Now Willis Carto's Liberty Lobby, which was basically a pack

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Speaker 1: for racists, and his newsletter The Spotlight endorsed Buchanan officially,

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Speaker 1: this time in their Republican Voters Guide. They noted that

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Speaker 1: the wealthy and powerful American Jewish community, popularly known as

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Speaker 1: the Jewish Lobby or the Israeli Lobby, does not like

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Speaker 1: Pat Buchanan and claimed his victory would constitute the greatest

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Speaker 1: political revel Lucian in history. Okay, would have marked a

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Speaker 1: pretty fust Yeah, not exactly the language that use, but yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: Now you can also earned the support of a group

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Speaker 1: called the Council of Conservative Citizens. Have you heard about

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Speaker 1: those guys where they're very far right lobbying group. They

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Speaker 1: have a website that hosts articles, news articles, uh and

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Speaker 1: including it's it's still run this day and one of

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Speaker 1: the very popular articles types of articles that they like

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Speaker 1: to host focus on what they call black on white crime.

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Speaker 1: And the Council of Conservative Citizens, interestingly enough, is the

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Speaker 1: website that was cited by Dylan Ruth and his manifesto

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Speaker 1: as the thing that radicalized him into shooting up a

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Speaker 1: black church and interesting how these people read things and

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Speaker 1: get radicalized. Yeah, that is interesting the sort of nifty,

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Speaker 1: hyper focused topics that choose to write about. Uh didn't.

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Speaker 1: At one point Breitbart have a black crime year did

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Speaker 1: have a black crime tap. They get rid of it

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Speaker 1: after all of the Yeah now. Buchanan also teamed up

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Speaker 1: with Pat Robertson's Christian Coalition. With all these far right

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Speaker 1: voters together, Pat was not able to beat Bob Dole,

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Speaker 1: but he was able to Forestole in the Republican Party

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Speaker 1: to harden their anti abortion stances and add anti immigrant

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Speaker 1: planks to the platform, demanding a change to the fourteen Amendment.

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Speaker 1: Bob Dole seated on these issues, but refused to let

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Speaker 1: Pat have a good speaking slot in the nine convention.

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Speaker 1: So brave, brave of you, Bob. Wait to stick it

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Speaker 1: to them, Thanks, Bob, stick it to the probable Nazis

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00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:36,520
Speaker 1: speaking of dits, speaking of Dick Piles. Yeah, Bob Doland

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Speaker 1: made both trailblazers. Buchanan's eventual caving to the Republican Party

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Speaker 1: bummed out the white nationalists who had helped lead him

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Speaker 1: to prominence. Oh no, they're let us constituents down. The

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Speaker 1: idea of like bummed out White Sky music, just like

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Speaker 1: Kicking Rocks and their clanform Oh shooks, yeah uh. They'd

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Speaker 1: expected and urged him to walk out of the convention

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Speaker 1: rather than yield to the mainstream, free trade loving non

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Speaker 1: concentration camp supporting moderates of the Republican Party one Ohio

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Speaker 1: Clansmen ruefully limited. In the history of presidential politics, nine

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Speaker 1: will go down as the year that Pat Buchanan cast

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Speaker 1: away the political opportunity of a lifetime. He raised and

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00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:23,920
Speaker 1: spent some thirty million, yet what is there in the

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Speaker 1: end to show for all. This would proved to be

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Speaker 1: the high water mark of Pat's presidential ambitions, but it

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Speaker 1: would not be his last major effort to secure the presidency.

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Speaker 1: He ran again in the year two thousand and this

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Speaker 1: time he didn't run as a Republican. Now, younger listeners

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Speaker 1: who haven't spent a lot of time watching old episodes

702
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:45,239
Speaker 1: of The Simpsons may not remember a fun little tyke

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Speaker 1: named Ross Perow, but the rest of us do. Oh

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Speaker 1: Ross Barow. He is a preposterously rich, very very tiny

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Speaker 1: man who once owned a large chunk of the city

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Speaker 1: of Dallas. In a small mercenary army. He ran for President,

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Speaker 1: and according to Republic and Lore, he cost George H. W.

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Speaker 1: Bush his re election. Now, Paro ran as part of

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Speaker 1: the Reform Party, which you know, he founded the Reform Party. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and he did well enough to qualify for federal funding

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Speaker 1: in the two thousand general election. However, Ross Parro decided

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Speaker 1: not to run in two thousands, so suddenly there was

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Speaker 1: an opening for anybody who might want to take up

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Speaker 1: his mantle. Pat Buchanan saw this as an opportunity. He

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Speaker 1: decided to use his good name and prominence in national

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Speaker 1: politics to try and get the job. At a convention

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Speaker 1: in Greenbelt, Maryland, Buchanan told a hundred and fifty people

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Speaker 1: about his plan to use the Reform Party to break

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Speaker 1: up the two party monopoly. He promised them if he

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Speaker 1: was elected, at that very moment, their New World Order

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Speaker 1: comes crashing down. By mentioning the n w OH, Buchanan

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00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:44,040
Speaker 1: was directly playing towards the militia crowd, people like Tim McVeigh,

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Speaker 1: the Oklahoma City bomber, who believed in a secret international

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Speaker 1: conspiracy that was in the process of taking over the world.

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Speaker 1: The New World Order was also frequently called the jew

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Speaker 1: World Order, and although Pat never said those words. You

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Speaker 1: can kind of assume he felt them. Yeah. During the

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Speaker 1: Greenbelt Reform Party meeting, you can and post for a

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Speaker 1: photograph of the representative from Willis Carto's Liberty Lobby who

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Speaker 1: tried to hand him the latest issue of Spotlight. Buchanan

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Speaker 1: told him allegedly, I've already read it. I've got a

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Speaker 1: copy at my house. Yikes, yike, that look. In order

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Speaker 1: to press his candidacy, Peppycannon did what all good want

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Speaker 1: to be presidents do. He wrote a book, A Republic

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Speaker 1: Not an Empire. We're going to talk about that book

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Speaker 1: and a little bit. But first, products and services. You

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Speaker 1: got it, you got it way faster. All right, let's

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Speaker 1: get you on Jeopardy, and let's get these products. Only

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00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:43,680
Speaker 1: if it's only topics, products and products and services just products,

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00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:48,520
Speaker 1: and then the answers are all certain products for five services.

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Speaker 1: Speaking of printing money, we're back. Did you miss us?

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Speaker 1: I missed us. Now when we left, I was talking

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Speaker 1: about the book that Pat Buckinnon wrote to UH to

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Speaker 1: kick off his campaign, A Republic Not an Empire. Now.

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Speaker 1: A Republic Not an Empire was published by a publishing

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Speaker 1: you may have heard of called Ragnery Publishing. That publishing. Well,

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Speaker 1: you guys have heard it once before, but I don't.

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Speaker 1: I'm not surprised that you don't. You don't recognize it

749
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:37,319
Speaker 1: when we um we did an episode earlier than about

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Speaker 1: the history of the American fascist movement in the twenties

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Speaker 1: and thirties, and we talked about a dude named William

752
00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:44,440
Speaker 1: Brignery Sor. He was one of the chief financial backers

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Speaker 1: of the America First Movement, a fascist political campaign in

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Speaker 1: the nineteen thirties aimed at aligning the United States with

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Speaker 1: Nazi Germany. His son runs Rignery Publishing and would later

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Speaker 1: go under fund the National Policy Institute, which of course

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00:42:56,920 --> 00:43:03,239
Speaker 1: is where Richard Spencer came after work. Yeah, I love

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00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:08,680
Speaker 1: it too. It's good stuff. Spiderweb not to be contrary,

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00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:15,239
Speaker 1: and I hate it. Yeah, yeah, anyway. According to the

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Speaker 1: New York Times review of Buchanan's book, Mr Buchanan's thesis

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00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:21,120
Speaker 1: that Hitler offered no physical threat to the United States

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Speaker 1: as of the late nineteen forties and the book A

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Speaker 1: Republic That an Empire, Mr Buchanan analyzes the history of

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Speaker 1: American foreign policy and questions whether Hitler sawt worth the

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Speaker 1: Wester was driven to it Hitler made no overt move

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Speaker 1: to threaten US vital interests. After his initial victories across

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Speaker 1: Europe in nineteen thirty nine and nineteen forty, Mr Buchanan

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Speaker 1: rights in a separate chapter criticizing the power of numerous

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Speaker 1: American ethnic groups over foreign policy. Mr Buchanan rights, after

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Speaker 1: World War Two, Jewish influence over foreign policy became almost

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00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:55,600
Speaker 1: an obsession with American leaders. Yeah, pat other people are obsessed. Yeah. God.

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Speaker 1: At one point in the book, pet writes this, had

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Speaker 1: Britain and France not give in the war guarantees to Poland,

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Speaker 1: there might have been no dune Kirk, no Blitz, no Vish,

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Speaker 1: no destruction of the Jewish populations of Europe. What if

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00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:13,440
Speaker 1: we just let Hitler invade Poland unchecked, there would have

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Speaker 1: been no Holocaust except for the Jews that they instantly

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Speaker 1: started killing as soon as they moved into Poland. Um

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Speaker 1: think that Holocaust happen because it was about the Like now,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna blame him the Jews. I think he thinks

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Speaker 1: of like Hitler committing the Holocaust as like uh as

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Speaker 1: like a guy hitting his car because it breaks down

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Speaker 1: on him. Yeah, come on, I think the other real

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Speaker 1: thing is that he's okay with the killing, then why

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00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:51,239
Speaker 1: do people care? It's not his preference. He would he

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00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:56,000
Speaker 1: would have wish they'd have gotten moved to right, but

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00:44:56,120 --> 00:44:59,320
Speaker 1: only because it looks bad. Because check out their platform

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Speaker 1: and I think they're three pet Thank Buchanan's campaign took

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00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:08,160
Speaker 1: off like wildfire among fringe political circles, at least timid

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00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:10,160
Speaker 1: slightly by the fact that one of his fundraisers, a

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Speaker 1: British National named Mark Carterrell, was building a network of

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Speaker 1: Buchanan supporters that included members of the National Alliance and

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Speaker 1: explicitly neo Nazi group funded by George Lincoln Rockwell disciple

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Speaker 1: William Pierce, author of the Turner Diaries. Stop It Stop painful. Oh,

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Speaker 1: you just can't keep these Nazis off of him. All

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Speaker 1: these all these Nazis are yeah, covered in Nazi covered

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00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:39,360
Speaker 1: in that is that Onion article? Why all these homosexual

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00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:49,879
Speaker 1: sucking my cock? Oh? Pat Jesus Christ? Now Pat Buchanan's

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Speaker 1: I think wife who ran his campaign, fired Mark along

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Speaker 1: with twenty other volunteers, which was meant to prove that

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00:45:55,719 --> 00:45:58,520
Speaker 1: the campaign was completely intolerant of racist and fascists, But

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Speaker 1: the fact that there were more than twenty of them

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Speaker 1: to fire kind of Bliesete oh Man pet Now, Buchanan

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Speaker 1: picked at his running mate as his running mate, Zola Foster,

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Speaker 1: a sixty two year old black woman, anti immigrant activist.

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Speaker 1: She became a Republican during the Reagan era and joined

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Speaker 1: the John Birch Society in the mid nineteen nineties. Zola

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Speaker 1: was an outspoken advocate of the Confederate flag, which she

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Speaker 1: considered a symbol of heritage, saying the war was more

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Speaker 1: about states rights than anything else. During her acceptance speech,

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Speaker 1: she promised voters, if anybody knows a racist, I do.

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Speaker 1: Pat Buchanan ain't no racist, oh girl. If anyone of

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Speaker 1: all the people like the rate, I you know, I

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Speaker 1: know a racist. Uh fun times. Pat Buchanan himself promised

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Speaker 1: to redefine what it means to be a conservative in America,

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Speaker 1: and it's likely that his promises caused serious worry for

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Speaker 1: George W. Bush and crew. Remember, these folks already accepted

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Speaker 1: as given that Pero's Reform Party candidacy cost their last

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Speaker 1: bush An election. They were not about to let that

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Speaker 1: happen again. Enter It's such your stone and a quirky

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Speaker 1: little fella named Donald there is yeah, like the Reform Party,

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Speaker 1: like Donald Trump. According to NBC News, Trump too was

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Speaker 1: against NAFTA and spoke of global trade deals as a

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Speaker 1: drain on American jobs, and he was for a strict

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Speaker 1: immigration policy. We have to take care of the people

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Speaker 1: who are here, he said. But he drew a bright

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Speaker 1: line when it came to Buchanan's tone. He seems to

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Speaker 1: be a racist and accused him of cultivating support from

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Speaker 1: the bigoted fringes. On slow days, Trump wrote in an

830
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Speaker 1: op ed he attacks gays, immigrants, welfare recipients, even Zulus.

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Speaker 1: When cornered, he says he's misunderstood. On a trip to California,

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Speaker 1: between a meeting with reform activists, a paid speech, and

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Speaker 1: a taping of The Tonight Show with Jay Leno, Trump

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Speaker 1: visited the Simon Wiesenthal Centers for Museum, the Center's Museum

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Speaker 1: of Tolerance, which sought to shine a light on racism

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Speaker 1: and injustice around the world. After his tour, Trump's told

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Speaker 1: reporters that Buchanan should come here and have a talk

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Speaker 1: with Rabbi Cooper and his staff and talk things out

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00:47:57,719 --> 00:48:00,960
Speaker 1: a bit. He added, we must recognize bigotry and prejudice

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Speaker 1: and defeat it wherever it appears that I hate him

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Speaker 1: so much? What a god, what a absolutely opportunistic pieces. Yeah, no,

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Speaker 1: nothing means anything. That Also, like the idea of like,

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Speaker 1: oh yeah, Pat Buchanan went to the Museum of Tolerance

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Speaker 1: is like he's good now, Oh no, no, this is

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Speaker 1: Donald Trumps. No I know, but I'm saying, like he's like, oh,

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Speaker 1: I think I think Pat would come here. Yeah, oh yeah.

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Speaker 1: The idea that like a visit would would solve Pat Buchanan, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: go into it rather than him just like kind of

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Speaker 1: like trying to hide his his crotch from view as

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00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:40,719
Speaker 1: he like walks through the concentrate because he's a fucking Nazi. Yeah. Um, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think that was clear. Now. One question about Pat

852
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:46,719
Speaker 1: Buchanan's Hitler wasn't all that bad book? Donald Trump said this.

853
00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:49,720
Speaker 1: Pat says Hitler had no malicious tent towards the United States.

854
00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:52,120
Speaker 1: Hitler killed six million Jews and millions of others. Don't

855
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Speaker 1: you think it was only a question of time before

856
00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:55,400
Speaker 1: he got to us. He tackled Europe first and we

857
00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:58,359
Speaker 1: were next. Pat's amazing. When asked whether he had read

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Speaker 1: the book, Mr Trump stated, I've seen the phrases we're

859
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Speaker 1: dealing with classic. I've seen the phrase. I've seen the phrases.

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Speaker 1: We I had to include that, Linus, that's that's uh,

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Speaker 1: that is Trump. That's Trump classic right there. Yeah, that's

862
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:19,080
Speaker 1: really really Trump classic. I've seen the phrases we're dealing

863
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Speaker 1: with camp. So it's just like the like, we've seen

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Speaker 1: the phrases we're dealing with. What we're dealing with. It's

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Speaker 1: such a weird, like he talks so weird. He talks

866
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Speaker 1: very weird. He doesn't understand words, or he does, Yeah,

867
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Speaker 1: on a very masterful level. Yeah, who knows, not me.

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Speaker 1: Trump's campaign was able to take a significant amount of

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Speaker 1: wind out of Pet buchanan sales, but it was not

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Speaker 1: enough to stop Pet Buchanan's Reform Party candidacy. Buchanan made

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Speaker 1: his way onto the ballot in several states, including Florida.

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Speaker 1: In Palm Beach County, a liberal stronghold, he received three thousand,

873
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Speaker 1: four hundred and seven votes on first count. Local Reform

874
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Speaker 1: Party officials realized at once that this count was completely bogus.

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00:49:57,200 --> 00:49:59,400
Speaker 1: Buchanan himself, in an interview, stated that only three to

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Speaker 1: four hundred of those votes were really his and the

877
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Speaker 1: rest were misreads, he told an interviewer the rest, I

878
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Speaker 1: am sure we're Gore votes. Florida's Secretary of State and

879
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:11,200
Speaker 1: Bush campaign co chair decided that recounts were not necessary.

880
00:50:11,480 --> 00:50:13,520
Speaker 1: The Democrats challenged this, and the issue was taken to

881
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Speaker 1: the courts, leading to a final Supreme Court decision to

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Speaker 1: and the recounts. The three thousand votes Buchanan himself believed

883
00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:20,879
Speaker 1: were for al Gore went to him instead. This left

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Speaker 1: Bush ahead in Florida. So that's cool. That's uh. I

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Speaker 1: think we differ on that. I think. But it's cold

886
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Speaker 1: like ice cold. It's cool, ice ice frozen. Yeah, that's

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Speaker 1: that's a dark Yeah, that's a dark path to think

888
00:50:40,719 --> 00:50:44,799
Speaker 1: about too much. In a recent political article on his life,

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Speaker 1: Pat Buchanan was branded the Forrest Gump of politics, name

890
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Speaker 1: which would be aptif Forrest Gump had a ball's deep

891
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:54,560
Speaker 1: history of anti Semitism and boarding the Nazis. But still,

892
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Speaker 1: you can't deny that there's something to the idea for

893
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Speaker 1: every major swing American politics has taken in my lifetime,

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00:51:00,719 --> 00:51:02,839
Speaker 1: at least Pat Buchanan has been there to make sure

895
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Speaker 1: things break just a little bit worse than they otherwise

896
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Speaker 1: would have This pattern has continued into the Trump era.

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Speaker 1: In January of twenty nineteen, USA Today published an article

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Speaker 1: titled Trump Quotes Pat Buchanan, Full fucking Circle. Last week,

899
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Speaker 1: Buchanan wrote an article that implored Trump to declare a

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Speaker 1: national emergency on the southern border because mass migration from

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00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:25,280
Speaker 1: the global South, not climate change, is the real existential

902
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Speaker 1: crisis of the West. Trump has publicly considered such a

903
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Speaker 1: declaration as a way to go around Congress in order

904
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Speaker 1: to secure funding for a wall in the US Mexico border.

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Speaker 1: On Sunday, the President quoted a portion of Buchanan's post

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Speaker 1: and a pair of tweets. The first said the Trump

907
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:39,920
Speaker 1: portrait of an unsustainable border crisis is dead on, and

908
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Speaker 1: then listed a number of immigration related crime statistics. Buchanan

909
00:51:43,320 --> 00:51:44,880
Speaker 1: did not cite the source of the data, but the

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Speaker 1: context indicated it was from the Trump administration. The southern

911
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Speaker 1: border quote is eventually going to be militarized and defended,

912
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Speaker 1: or the United States as we have known it is

913
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Speaker 1: going to cease to exist, and Americans will not go

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Speaker 1: gentle into that. Good night. The second tweet quoted, now,

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Speaker 1: this is interesting to me for a reason, not to

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Speaker 1: detail Buchanan's words, which were quoted by the President, are

917
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Speaker 1: particularly fascinating in light of the christ Church shooting that

918
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Speaker 1: would occur roughly two months later. The shooters manifesto, titled

919
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Speaker 1: The Great Replacement, focused about his belief that the white

920
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Speaker 1: race was being exterminated through immigration from non white people

921
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Speaker 1: into majority white nations. The shooter ended his manifesto by

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Speaker 1: citing the same Dylan Thomas poem that Pat quoted, expressing

923
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Speaker 1: his desire that the white race not go gentle into

924
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Speaker 1: that good night before pumping rounds into dozens and dozens

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Speaker 1: of men, women and children from Pat. Thank you, Pat,

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Speaker 1: Thank you Pat. And that's Pat. That's Pat. That was Pat,

927
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Speaker 1: not Pat. What I'm about to say, but I'm not.

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Speaker 1: I'll gore. I always think, God, if you'd won, we'd

929
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Speaker 1: be so good on climate change right now, we'd be

930
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Speaker 1: that we'd have would have to we would have made

931
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Speaker 1: such modest and minor changes, yes, things for decades, this

932
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Speaker 1: to to that, and then it gets worse and worse,

933
00:53:01,640 --> 00:53:04,520
Speaker 1: and then you got to do more extreme things. By

934
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Speaker 1: It's one of those things. When I was a kid,

935
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Speaker 1: Pat Buchanan was a name I heard a number of times.

936
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Speaker 1: He was I don't think my dad was like a

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00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:12,960
Speaker 1: huge backer of Pat Buchanan. Like he was a pretty

938
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Speaker 1: mainstream Republican voter, but he liked Pat and quote cited

939
00:53:17,040 --> 00:53:18,719
Speaker 1: him as like someone he thought really got it and

940
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Speaker 1: would be a good candidate. And I don't know how

941
00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:25,200
Speaker 1: much of Pat Buchanan he actually knew. I'm gonna guest

942
00:53:25,239 --> 00:53:27,759
Speaker 1: he just heard some sound bites on TV and right

943
00:53:27,800 --> 00:53:30,879
Speaker 1: this stuff that's more palatable, Yeah, not the water down

944
00:53:31,239 --> 00:53:35,120
Speaker 1: stuff avorting with Nazis bits. Will your dad listen to this? Oh? Yeah,

945
00:53:35,120 --> 00:53:39,200
Speaker 1: I hope so yeah, my dad, my dad, I don't

946
00:53:39,239 --> 00:53:41,960
Speaker 1: think you're a Nazi, but I think you got hoodwinked

947
00:53:42,040 --> 00:53:44,600
Speaker 1: by one. A lot of people, A lot of people,

948
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Speaker 1: A lot of people get hood with It's kind of

949
00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:49,759
Speaker 1: what they do, um, kind of their goal, kind of

950
00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:57,840
Speaker 1: their goal. Yeah, so awful connections of awful people throughout history.

951
00:53:58,000 --> 00:54:00,160
Speaker 1: They know each other too, Yeah, they all know other.

952
00:54:00,200 --> 00:54:02,239
Speaker 1: They'll agree with each other. Yeah, you could, you could,

953
00:54:02,440 --> 00:54:05,839
Speaker 1: You could like almost you you really actually really could

954
00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:09,640
Speaker 1: play uh, Like if we're doing like a degrees of

955
00:54:09,960 --> 00:54:13,160
Speaker 1: George Lincoln Rockwell and he get get George Lincoln Rockwell

956
00:54:13,239 --> 00:54:15,840
Speaker 1: directly to William Pierce to that British guy who was

957
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:19,640
Speaker 1: on staff with Pat Buchanan to Pat the four degrees

958
00:54:20,560 --> 00:54:22,440
Speaker 1: not that far. What a fun game, What a fun

959
00:54:22,560 --> 00:54:25,799
Speaker 1: game you could play. I'm only one degree away from

960
00:54:25,880 --> 00:54:28,719
Speaker 1: Heinrich Hidler, by the way. Really I got to shake

961
00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:30,960
Speaker 1: hands and and have an interview with a guy who

962
00:54:31,080 --> 00:54:33,080
Speaker 1: had been in the Hitler youth when he was fourteen

963
00:54:33,120 --> 00:54:34,719
Speaker 1: when the war ended, and got to meet all of

964
00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:40,200
Speaker 1: the because they would regularly does and stuff. So yeah, yeah,

965
00:54:41,360 --> 00:54:43,840
Speaker 1: Herman Garring too. You won the game. I won the

966
00:54:44,040 --> 00:54:47,880
Speaker 1: Nazi game. Yeah, a terrible game that did you know?

967
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:55,359
Speaker 1: Hitler was a good soldier? What else was it good

968
00:54:55,440 --> 00:55:00,120
Speaker 1: about soldier? Yeah? Yeah, fine, like he did he did

969
00:55:00,200 --> 00:55:02,080
Speaker 1: his job. Well, he got awards for it. Like it's yeah,

970
00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:05,160
Speaker 1: it's so we're a lot of men who didn't commit.

971
00:55:05,719 --> 00:55:08,719
Speaker 1: He got traumatized. He got traumatized and that's why he

972
00:55:08,920 --> 00:55:14,879
Speaker 1: did all the things. And this is again about Jordan Peters. Yeah, yeah,

973
00:55:14,920 --> 00:55:16,320
Speaker 1: it's one. I mean, it's one of those things like

974
00:55:17,640 --> 00:55:19,760
Speaker 1: it's such a messy thing, like it's totally worth discussing.

975
00:55:19,840 --> 00:55:22,680
Speaker 1: For example, Hitler spent literally four years in the trenches

976
00:55:22,719 --> 00:55:25,200
Speaker 1: at the very front and was exposed to an enormous

977
00:55:25,239 --> 00:55:27,440
Speaker 1: amount of artillery fire, and we have now learned in

978
00:55:27,560 --> 00:55:31,520
Speaker 1: recent years from our soldiers at constant exposure to artillery

979
00:55:31,560 --> 00:55:34,840
Speaker 1: and explosions causes essentially ct E, the same thing that

980
00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:37,640
Speaker 1: NFL players getting. Like yeah, it's there's a very good

981
00:55:37,719 --> 00:55:39,600
Speaker 1: chance that not just Hitler, but a lot of Nazis,

982
00:55:39,640 --> 00:55:41,680
Speaker 1: most of whom were veterans, may have been impacted in

983
00:55:41,840 --> 00:55:44,160
Speaker 1: some way on like a physical level by like the

984
00:55:44,239 --> 00:55:47,839
Speaker 1: damaged under their brains. Totally possible, reasonable thing to talk

985
00:55:47,880 --> 00:55:52,040
Speaker 1: about and want to explore, absolutely, which doesn't mitigate it

986
00:55:52,120 --> 00:55:54,160
Speaker 1: because again, a lot of people out there with ct

987
00:55:54,480 --> 00:56:04,160
Speaker 1: and traumatic brain injuries who exactly compelling, compelling point other

988
00:56:04,239 --> 00:56:08,520
Speaker 1: people yeah, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, Well, but it's how

989
00:56:08,600 --> 00:56:11,560
Speaker 1: you approach it, and it's it's there's uh again, I'm

990
00:56:11,600 --> 00:56:13,920
Speaker 1: not rant about Jordan Peterson for a long time, but

991
00:56:14,040 --> 00:56:18,000
Speaker 1: like it's the it's framing things like that that justify

992
00:56:18,120 --> 00:56:21,719
Speaker 1: the actions as opposed to exploring things that contribute to

993
00:56:21,880 --> 00:56:24,520
Speaker 1: it and not like really looking at like where does

994
00:56:24,560 --> 00:56:27,719
Speaker 1: the ideology come from? Like yeah, because because the people

995
00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:30,680
Speaker 1: who focus entirely I'm like, oh, you know, he got

996
00:56:30,719 --> 00:56:32,920
Speaker 1: brain damage or he get traumatized at the front this cause, well,

997
00:56:32,920 --> 00:56:34,719
Speaker 1: they ignore all that he wrote and said, and all

998
00:56:34,760 --> 00:56:36,320
Speaker 1: the people who knew him when he was in that

999
00:56:36,440 --> 00:56:38,719
Speaker 1: hostel in Vienna as a homeless young man, said about

1000
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Speaker 1: the fact that these little tracks, which were basically like

1001
00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:44,040
Speaker 1: the viral image means, it's the fucking four chain of

1002
00:56:44,120 --> 00:56:46,520
Speaker 1: its time, these like anti semitic tracks that would be

1003
00:56:46,600 --> 00:56:48,719
Speaker 1: printed out cheaply by the hundreds and passed around for

1004
00:56:48,800 --> 00:56:50,960
Speaker 1: free on the streets of Vienna. Hitler was obsessed with

1005
00:56:51,040 --> 00:56:53,160
Speaker 1: them and collected them and talked about them and read

1006
00:56:53,200 --> 00:56:56,520
Speaker 1: them to everyone, and like that's probably more of a

1007
00:56:56,600 --> 00:57:00,920
Speaker 1: factor than than any potential brain damage. Like yeah, you're

1008
00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:05,440
Speaker 1: talking about like the like putting the infirm or like

1009
00:57:05,520 --> 00:57:08,200
Speaker 1: to say, like disabled people in camps, like I've I've

1010
00:57:08,239 --> 00:57:10,840
Speaker 1: heard Peterson talk about how like, oh, it's because you know,

1011
00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:14,400
Speaker 1: Hitler had like this weird like O c D and

1012
00:57:14,440 --> 00:57:16,920
Speaker 1: aversion to like germs and stuff, and then it got

1013
00:57:17,000 --> 00:57:20,240
Speaker 1: worse and worse and worse as time went on. It's like, well, no,

1014
00:57:20,360 --> 00:57:24,200
Speaker 1: it's because they didn't work and contribute to society, because

1015
00:57:24,280 --> 00:57:27,000
Speaker 1: he thought that it was worth more for Germany to

1016
00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:29,760
Speaker 1: win the war than those people. To refer to them

1017
00:57:29,760 --> 00:57:32,520
Speaker 1: as useless eaters. It's not like the gross like it's

1018
00:57:32,600 --> 00:57:37,080
Speaker 1: it's it's approaching it. He was ignoring other stuff. He

1019
00:57:37,200 --> 00:57:40,440
Speaker 1: was disgusted by their inability to further his dreams of conquests.

1020
00:57:40,560 --> 00:57:43,160
Speaker 1: Right yeah, um right, it wasn't like this weird like

1021
00:57:43,360 --> 00:57:48,080
Speaker 1: oh right, yeah, it's just it's weird, like it's not

1022
00:57:48,080 --> 00:57:53,640
Speaker 1: because it's not Holocaust revisionism, but like it just right

1023
00:57:53,720 --> 00:57:59,440
Speaker 1: Hitler justificationism. Yeah yeah, it's uh, there's so many I'm

1024
00:57:59,480 --> 00:58:03,840
Speaker 1: a big studying Hitler fan. There's so many dumb debates

1025
00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:07,040
Speaker 1: that we have about the guy, um that are are

1026
00:58:07,640 --> 00:58:10,720
Speaker 1: deeply frustrating, Like the people who will focus on the

1027
00:58:10,760 --> 00:58:13,200
Speaker 1: minutia of like well, we don't have his name on

1028
00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:16,000
Speaker 1: any documents signing with the Holocaust, but we don't we

1029
00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:21,400
Speaker 1: don't actually know that it was crazy. Guys, what are

1030
00:58:21,440 --> 00:58:25,320
Speaker 1: you doing? Honestly? Like, what what does the outcome you

1031
00:58:25,400 --> 00:58:28,240
Speaker 1: want from this conversation? And what do you want me

1032
00:58:28,280 --> 00:58:30,360
Speaker 1: to think of? You? Are you? Are you? Are you

1033
00:58:30,560 --> 00:58:33,120
Speaker 1: looking at World War two and like taking out of it?

1034
00:58:33,520 --> 00:58:37,960
Speaker 1: Maybe were right? That's the thing, like all these discussions

1035
00:58:38,120 --> 00:58:42,560
Speaker 1: like what is the logical conclusion and goal of this approach?

1036
00:58:43,480 --> 00:58:46,520
Speaker 1: If you extrapolate it and you go a little farther like, okay,

1037
00:58:46,560 --> 00:58:48,600
Speaker 1: so you're just like it's just Hitler apologism, and then

1038
00:58:48,600 --> 00:58:53,360
Speaker 1: you're justifying those actions with different justifications and making it

1039
00:58:53,520 --> 00:58:58,959
Speaker 1: seem valid, like it's it's all gross again. What's the point,

1040
00:58:59,080 --> 00:59:01,800
Speaker 1: what's the point? What's the Point's the point? What's the point?

1041
00:59:02,280 --> 00:59:04,320
Speaker 1: You know what the point is? Is it not an

1042
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Speaker 1: ad pivot? It's time for y'all to get the heck

1043
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Speaker 1: out of here out here. My name is Katie Stole,

1044
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Speaker 1: who I hated that. I love your name very none

1045
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Speaker 1: of the way I said it like a cheerleader um

1046
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Speaker 1: or like I was leading for a commercial audition that's

1047
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Speaker 1: Twitter account for that, also Patreon, dot com, slash Some

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Speaker 1: some way. And I'm Katie Stole and also Katie still

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Speaker 1: on the Twitter. Yeah, and I'm not Cody Johnston's true

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Speaker 1: but I might be someday one day. If I play

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Speaker 1: my cards, he's going to wear your skin like a suit.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna wear a skin like you got it. That's

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Speaker 1: why I got the machete punchline. All right, well, I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna parby. Should breathe the plugs before I do any cutting.

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Speaker 1: can find the sources for this episode. You can find

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Speaker 1: me on Twitter at at bastard or I right, okay,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna cut me. I'm glad I got to know

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Speaker 1: all that stuff before you wear my skin. Waving the

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Speaker 1: knife right like I would say, I would actually describe

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Speaker 1: this as wildly brandishing the knife I did. I wouldn't

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Speaker 1: earlier because like it's loose in my hand. The poison

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Speaker 1: room is right behind me. Yeah, Like I could crack

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Speaker 1: the poison room and we would all be in trouble.

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Speaker 1: Way more likely to break into the poison rom with

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Speaker 1: that knife than you're throwing bables I agree, I agree

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Speaker 1: the throwing. I'm glad I didn't throw the machete because

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Speaker 1: that poison room we do not want to crack, but

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Speaker 1: it keeps the energy ups. Like not today, poison Room.

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Speaker 1: There's a good chance in the next nine months or so,

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Speaker 1: but not today. All Right podcast is open