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Speaker 1: What's up, everybody? Welcome back to the Draymond Green Show.
Speaker 1: We are here at Resort World in Las Vegas for
Speaker 1: the NBA Summer League.
Speaker 5: We got All star NBA Champion. But what's starting? A film?
Speaker 5: Which is crazy?
Speaker 1: Even more important? Podcaster Club five twenties on, Jeff T Welcome.
Speaker 5: To this dram.
Speaker 6: I appreciate having I want to come on your show
Speaker 6: for so long, so I'm excited.
Speaker 3: I love what you do.
Speaker 5: Thank you.
Speaker 3: Appreciate you having me.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, I appreciate you coming on. I mean, let's get
Speaker 1: right into it, man. I think you're doing a rare
Speaker 1: thing right now that most people don't ever do.
Speaker 5: I think it's happened as of recent to Shannon.
Speaker 1: Shark Charles Barkley in a since Kenny Smith where.
Speaker 5: You play a career.
Speaker 1: All guys who had great careers All Star Champion, Chuck
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame and multiple time All Star Kenny Champion,
Speaker 1: where you're almost becoming bigger now and after basketball then
Speaker 1: we then basketball and you, like I said, you were
Speaker 1: an All Star, which is crazy to think.
Speaker 5: But what's this journey been like for you?
Speaker 1: And getting into the podcast space with Club five twenty
Speaker 1: and kind of this journey that y'all been on Number one,
Speaker 1: I said it on the pot.
Speaker 5: I'm a big fan of y'all.
Speaker 3: Appreciate that, Bro.
Speaker 1: To see you with your folks, take them and just
Speaker 1: start your own thing and to be where it is today,
Speaker 1: I think it's special.
Speaker 5: So number one, I just want to say, I'm a fan.
Speaker 6: I appreciate it, Bro. Now, but we just be having
Speaker 6: a lot of fun now. The journey's been great. I'm
Speaker 6: a basketball head from the start, but having fun with
Speaker 6: my guys and just doing what we do all the time,
Speaker 6: it's been cool. The attention has been different because I
Speaker 6: was one of those guys who didn't want attention when
Speaker 6: I play. I just wanted to kind of like do
Speaker 6: my job and go home. But I always been a goofball.
Speaker 6: I always clown in the locker room. I was a jokester.
Speaker 6: So just bringing it to the life for everybody else
Speaker 6: to get to know me and see it's pretty cool
Speaker 6: when you.
Speaker 1: Look at the podcast space and what y'all have been
Speaker 1: able to do.
Speaker 5: How far do y'all ultimately hope to take.
Speaker 3: It as far as we can. We wanted to blow
Speaker 3: up as big as it can.
Speaker 6: I mean, you coming on the show with a big help,
Speaker 6: you talking about it before you even came on the show.
Speaker 3: It's huge.
Speaker 6: But we're trying to get as big as we can,
Speaker 6: and we want to be as big as shann and
Speaker 6: Sharpen those guys. So we're gonna continue to keep working,
Speaker 6: keep grinding, having fun with it. If it's not fun,
Speaker 6: I'm not gonna do it. But right now it's so
Speaker 6: fun and we're enjoyed.
Speaker 1: Interesting enough, guys, he said, I was a big help
Speaker 1: today podcast. Their podcast is way bigger than this podcast.
Speaker 1: Just so y'all know, I know the numbers. I've seen
Speaker 1: the numbers, so y'all know their podcast is bigger than
Speaker 1: this podcast.
Speaker 3: No way, Bro, you do it differently. Bro.
Speaker 6: You started off man, you actually pot after games and
Speaker 6: you get real intel on the game.
Speaker 3: And it's amazing to see you do that.
Speaker 6: Like, I wouldn't have the confidence to do that, but
Speaker 6: you know who you are as a player and as
Speaker 6: a person. I could never do that because I know
Speaker 6: I'm gonna have a bad night. You live with your
Speaker 6: bad nights. You live with your good nights, and you'd
Speaker 6: like you go forward with if I have a bad night. Bro,
Speaker 6: I'm not saying the word it's over, like I'm going home.
Speaker 6: I'm not talking to nobody. I'm not doing none of that.
Speaker 6: And you get on the pod you own up to
Speaker 6: if you had a bad night. It's dope, dope to see.
Speaker 5: No.
Speaker 1: I appreciate it, bro, But you know a part of
Speaker 1: that for me is and where it differs from you.
Speaker 5: I talk. Yeah, you know what I'm saying. So I
Speaker 5: let you know when it's going good.
Speaker 1: For me, I hate nothing more than the guy that
Speaker 1: lets you know when it's going good.
Speaker 5: But when it's going bad, it ain't his fault. You
Speaker 5: know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: When it's going I much rather and how I approach
Speaker 1: things is I'd rather throw myself even under the bus,
Speaker 1: even if it went good.
Speaker 3: I've seen you do that plenty of times.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, I's supposed to like, Man,
Speaker 1: it's going bad, that ain't on me.
Speaker 5: Like, nah, that's that's what I want to take that.
Speaker 1: But that's different for you though, because you're you're also
Speaker 1: not throwing it in nobody face when it's going good,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: So that's a totally different thing.
Speaker 1: But you know, like I always say to people, I've
Speaker 1: been able to win championships off of identifying front runners.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Like, you go up against
Speaker 1: certain teams. When we was playing the Clippers back in
Speaker 1: the day, we thought they was front runners. Now I've
Speaker 1: gotten really close with CP, so I take that with
Speaker 1: a grain to saw. Although I never thought CP was
Speaker 1: a front runner because he was all He played the
Speaker 1: same way all the time, tough physicals, hell smart fast.
Speaker 3: If you talk, he getting into it with you, Like,
Speaker 3: I'm glad you said that.
Speaker 6: People get mad at me when I tell the story
Speaker 6: about see talking shit to me.
Speaker 3: Tell them that he talked shit. Please, absolutely one thousand percent.
Speaker 3: It was just you talk. It's all good, one thousand percent.
Speaker 1: And but a lot of guys on that team we
Speaker 1: were walking to our locker room and say like, Yo,
Speaker 1: those guys are front runners.
Speaker 5: Like it's going good for them, it's great.
Speaker 1: Once it start going wrong, everybody crumbled, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. We thought that about quite a few teams
Speaker 1: we would run up against, Like you just knew Houston.
Speaker 1: We thought Houston was really good. They challenged us. We
Speaker 1: thought they was front runners. And every time you get
Speaker 1: down to it and then show itself your in opportune time.
Speaker 5: And so that's why, like even through our.
Speaker 1: Runs, you see guys like flopping, like Steph wouldn't flop.
Speaker 1: I remember at one point the flopping was so bad
Speaker 1: in the NBA. We'd be like, yo, Steph, you gotta
Speaker 1: flop many you gottam fop.
Speaker 6: I got paid off flopping. I can't say nothing bro
Speaker 6: I was doing. I was stopping on the screens, shoot
Speaker 6: and doing all that stuff.
Speaker 3: That was me. I said, I got at least six
Speaker 3: points a game. I know. I remember one time.
Speaker 6: It's funny I did it to Steph and then he
Speaker 6: got he got pissed like that ship when he came
Speaker 6: down the next play, didn't It was like doing all
Speaker 6: this stuff to the crowd was crying, laughing.
Speaker 3: I don't care, bro, I'm just trying to get these
Speaker 3: the A points. Bro.
Speaker 5: Did you.
Speaker 1: And going through contract situation always here, you know, Sean
Speaker 1: Livingston and Andre Gudala, David West, they would always say
Speaker 1: to us, yo, y'all don't know the real NBA.
Speaker 5: Y'all been here with the Warriors.
Speaker 1: They come in obviously once they get you see it,
Speaker 1: they see how the organization. And they would always tell
Speaker 1: me Stephan Clay like, yo, y'all don't know the NBA.
Speaker 1: Like y'all ain't never played.
Speaker 3: In the real y'all didn't, man, y'all had it good.
Speaker 6: I played in the real NBA where people like I
Speaker 6: think it was one time you said some of the
Speaker 6: more heartless while you wouldn't shooting thirties facts. Yeah, I've
Speaker 6: been on those teams, like when I came into the League.
Speaker 6: Love of Jamal Cropper, but he was in a contract year.
Speaker 6: I think Marvin Williams just got paid. It was a
Speaker 6: couple guys was trying to get money. And that's the
Speaker 6: first time I heard about like stats and stuff like,
Speaker 6: because when I played in college, you just tried to win, absolutely, like,
Speaker 6: I'm doing whatever I can do to win. But I
Speaker 6: heard him say, man, Jeroble average fourteen points. He got
Speaker 6: twelve million, I'm averaging eighteen. I'm like, you're playing good
Speaker 6: for its thow Bro like, fuck, dam I need the money.
Speaker 3: I'm like, oh okay, that's how that worked.
Speaker 6: And then ever since then, I was on teams where
Speaker 6: it was always somebody contract year, contract year, and it
Speaker 6: made our team weird. The only year we didn't have
Speaker 6: a contract problem with the year we won all them games. Wow,
Speaker 6: everybody had got paid. And that's the year we were good.
Speaker 5: Y'all for All Stars.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the year we were good.
Speaker 5: That's crazy, man.
Speaker 1: I always to your point, the more Heartless story, So
Speaker 1: we're playing, we're playing, it's the end of the season,
Speaker 1: and more Heartless had a bonus in his contract that
Speaker 1: if he shot a certain three point percentage and play
Speaker 1: a certain amount of games which he had already played
Speaker 1: in the mount of games and a three point percentage
Speaker 1: that he would get like a million dollar bonus, And
Speaker 1: so he was I think it may have been like
Speaker 1: thirty five percent. Take it with a grain of salt.
Speaker 1: I don't know the exact number, but call it thirty
Speaker 1: five percent. And if he had to shoot thirty five percent,
Speaker 1: he was at like thirty five point three. And for
Speaker 1: the last four or five games of the year, he
Speaker 1: didn't attempt to three.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't be there.
Speaker 1: And so, however, which I get it, like you heard
Speaker 1: team but killing, I get it.
Speaker 5: I don't get it. I understand, So I understand.
Speaker 1: However, for me to know that you're doing that, I
Speaker 1: gotta now use that to my advantage. So we meet
Speaker 1: up with them in the playoffs right after he's doing that,
Speaker 1: and I say to him right away, you're gonna shoot
Speaker 1: tonight because you got your bonus.
Speaker 3: Now you're still.
Speaker 1: Scared to shoot. Hey, he's scared of the shoot fellas.
Speaker 1: He don't want to shoot the night. He's still worried
Speaker 1: about his bonus.
Speaker 3: That's the fact player role.
Speaker 5: He tanked the rest of the series. He tanked.
Speaker 6: Oh you can't do that. You got the buddy that
Speaker 6: you gotta who.
Speaker 1: He tank And by the way, I love Moharkles came
Speaker 1: in the same draft man, like love what he was
Speaker 1: able to do in his career. But there was situations
Speaker 1: like that that for me as someone who liked to
Speaker 1: play mind game and like got to try to get
Speaker 1: under somebody skined.
Speaker 3: He gave him a lay up. I'm like, yo, you
Speaker 3: don't want to shoot. It's crazy.
Speaker 6: But you got to understand though, Like that's why David
Speaker 6: Westonham says, ya don't ain't been on the real NBA.
Speaker 6: Y'all always been in situations where like I'm gonna get that,
Speaker 6: Like not you because you came in at the second
Speaker 6: round pick. But when you got there and you solidified yourself,
Speaker 6: you've basically been almost a max player every time. So
Speaker 6: guys like me or guys who you know, had to
Speaker 6: kind of like get that kind of track and they
Speaker 6: need those bonuses. I understand where they're coming from. But
Speaker 6: as a player hooping, I couldn't have done that. I
Speaker 6: got a hoop, yeah, just I'm just gonna hoop. But
Speaker 6: in the back of my mind, I went thirty four
Speaker 6: out of it. I missed that million and we were sad.
Speaker 3: I hurt.
Speaker 1: HER's the thing though, I struggled with shooting for a
Speaker 1: couple of years, two three years spanning my career because
Speaker 1: I lost confidence, Like I totally lost confidence in my shot,
Speaker 1: and so I struggled with it a bit. I still
Speaker 1: don't know if my mind would process like, Yo, you
Speaker 1: can't shoot because your percentage about to drop.
Speaker 5: That's crazy.
Speaker 6: Now you're a hooper, though, and you like to win.
Speaker 6: But you come from a winning y'all, Michigan state. You're
Speaker 6: a winner.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you've been in winter environments like.
Speaker 6: You ain't never really been around losing like we've been
Speaker 6: around losing before you start looking at that stuff a
Speaker 6: little different, like we're about to win twenty games this year.
Speaker 6: I need my bonus, so I get where moat with it.
Speaker 6: But as a hooper, you can't do that, especially if
Speaker 6: you was a playoff team.
Speaker 5: No, that's a fact. That's a fact.
Speaker 1: Along the lines of podcasts, and you actually just did
Speaker 1: it a little bit here. How did you figure out
Speaker 1: because you have a skill that I'm not sure I've
Speaker 1: seen really anybody else. Do you have this skill in
Speaker 1: the way about your talking about yourself, talking about your.
Speaker 5: Career in the way that I've never seen anyone do before.
Speaker 1: And I guess my question is, how the hell do
Speaker 1: you remember all these stories? Like are these stories that
Speaker 1: amongst you and the guys that you shared before? And
Speaker 1: they're like, yo, you remember this? You just remember all
Speaker 1: these stories? Like how did you come up on that?
Speaker 6: I remember everything. I'm not gonna I can tell you stuff.
Speaker 6: And when I was four years old, but it really
Speaker 6: happened because my wife we were at home one day
Speaker 6: and she was like, we were doing a podcast.
Speaker 3: We would joke around all the time.
Speaker 6: She was like, nobody wants to hear about what y'all
Speaker 6: did up the street, Like nobody care about you going
Speaker 6: upstairs and having a drink with your friends. Tell us
Speaker 6: something about the NBA. And I was like, like what.
Speaker 6: She was like, she watching the game, she liked basketball.
Speaker 6: She was like Jimmy Butler out here playing with I
Speaker 6: don't even know these white dudes. And I'm like, I'm
Speaker 6: like what. She was like, that's how he did y'all
Speaker 6: in practice, right. I looked at him and said, what
Speaker 6: she said, go tell that story, And I swear I
Speaker 6: called him myself.
Speaker 3: Let's do a podcast. Went downstair.
Speaker 6: I was like, Jimmy is literally playing with that's one
Speaker 6: of what's my guy's name of play.
Speaker 5: In Cleveland now, Max Streuss.
Speaker 6: He was still he was just starting to come on
Speaker 6: or whatever, and I'm like, yeah, that reminds me of practice.
Speaker 3: I gotta tell this story. And it was just like
Speaker 3: perfect time.
Speaker 6: And then after that it just kind of kind of
Speaker 6: way because I told stories before, but after that it
Speaker 6: just became a thing.
Speaker 3: And I was like, man, let me tell about my
Speaker 3: experience in the NBA.
Speaker 1: There's always a great woman behind 's always a great
Speaker 1: woman behind the great things.
Speaker 3: No, she literally did that.
Speaker 1: So and the way you talk about you talk about
Speaker 1: your career as if you want Jeff t like.
Speaker 6: I don't take it. I don't take it seriously. I
Speaker 6: don't take nothing. I take it off or like it's love.
Speaker 6: Like I hooped, it was something I love to do,
Speaker 6: and it was like something I would do for free,
Speaker 6: So I don't take it too serious like everybody else
Speaker 6: be like.
Speaker 3: Man, I'm an eight time champion. I did this.
Speaker 6: I'll be like shit, okay, and then what like off
Speaker 6: off the court, who are you? It don't really matter
Speaker 6: when you're in a real world like that you hooped,
Speaker 6: so I don't take it too serious.
Speaker 5: That's the fact.
Speaker 1: And speaking of the business side of the podcast, you
Speaker 1: was just telling the story. But when you want to
Speaker 1: bought your first cameras to record the podcast.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm about a thousand dollars camera because my guy
Speaker 6: Mike was like, we're not spending all that month on
Speaker 6: something that you're not even good at. And now now
Speaker 6: heat of producer, so his cameras is weak. Now no,
Speaker 6: but it's all good man, Like, this is just the
Speaker 6: best stuff though, Like talking to you get the chill.
Speaker 3: I love this.
Speaker 6: It's like locker room talking about facts. Yeah, that's why
Speaker 6: I love it.
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Speaker 7: Slash volume.
Speaker 5: I agree.
Speaker 1: It's for me. I enjoy when I have a guest on.
Speaker 1: Obviously I do a lot of shows my mind.
Speaker 3: I don't know how you do that either.
Speaker 1: Well, it's an interesting thing, amazing, and I bet you
Speaker 1: can do it because all it is is this, you're
Speaker 1: essentially you kind of have to play the role of
Speaker 1: two people, Like, so, you got your opinion right, and
Speaker 1: in order for me to get you to understand it,
Speaker 1: I also have to give you the pinion of the
Speaker 1: other side, so you can kind of compare it to
Speaker 1: I can't just be like, oh, I think X, Y,
Speaker 1: and Z and then move on. That's not a conversation.
Speaker 3: No, it's not.
Speaker 1: And so for me when I'm all by myself, one
Speaker 1: of the things that I just started doing and trying
Speaker 1: to figure out is like, let me have a conversation
Speaker 1: with myself. All right, I think this, But if I
Speaker 1: think this, there's probably somebody that think this. So I'm
Speaker 1: gonna talk about this side too, and then ultimately I'll
Speaker 1: get to a space of like, nah, but this is
Speaker 1: what it is.
Speaker 6: But that's kind of like low key crazy. You're having
Speaker 6: a conversation with yourself, bro. But no, I do that too.
Speaker 6: But don't worry about it. Nah, it's crazy that you
Speaker 6: can do that, bro, Like I cannot do that. Like
Speaker 6: we was talking about it before it came on here.
Speaker 6: I'm like, I ain't never do the podcast. I don't
Speaker 6: even know how this is gonna work. When I do
Speaker 6: a podcast, I'm with the guys and I can bounce
Speaker 6: ideas off of them. If you're talking to us, I
Speaker 6: can defer the question of DJ, like get that one DJ.
Speaker 6: So this is cool. It's a cool experience. But like
Speaker 6: talking to myself. I I tried to stream a game
Speaker 6: one time, a video game. I said, Nah, Bron, I
Speaker 6: ain't built for this. People in the chat like you
Speaker 6: have to talk to the chat. I'm looking ah now
Speaker 6: I'm cool. So what you do is amazing, Bro.
Speaker 5: Thank you, Bro, I appreciate it.
Speaker 1: And staying on the business side of the podcast you,
Speaker 1: like I said, you started with your own cameras.
Speaker 5: And then now fast forward.
Speaker 1: To where we are today, y'all ultimately decide to partner
Speaker 1: with the volume for sure. How did that partnership come about?
Speaker 3: Man, it was it was so weird.
Speaker 6: It was a lot of companies and people reaching out
Speaker 6: one to sign us the deals and trying to work
Speaker 6: with us, and it was crazy. We got a call randomly,
Speaker 6: I got a call this guy called Jamie was like, Yo,
Speaker 6: we need you. I'm like, need me for what? He
Speaker 6: was like, we want you, we want you on, we
Speaker 6: want Club Out twenty, want everything about you guys. We
Speaker 6: love it, we want we want you to partner with us.
Speaker 6: And I was like, who is it? He's like the
Speaker 6: valume He was like with Colin Shannon. Shannon just came
Speaker 6: over here and it was like right when Shannon had
Speaker 6: just signed and we came over.
Speaker 3: It was just like a perfect mix. They believed in us.
Speaker 6: They didn't want to change anything about the show. They
Speaker 6: want us to be ourselves. I'm like, yo, we used
Speaker 6: some crazy language. He was like yeah, we like that,
Speaker 6: and I'm like okay. And everybody else was kind of
Speaker 6: trying to change the show a little bit. They wanted
Speaker 6: to be a little more how can I say it
Speaker 6: politically correct?
Speaker 5: I guess.
Speaker 3: And the Value was just like, nah, we like it.
Speaker 3: Rall and edgy. How you guys are?
Speaker 6: So that made us really comfortable and that's why we
Speaker 6: signed with them.
Speaker 5: I think it's dope.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 5: I've been with the Volume Nun for three years.
Speaker 1: I think, and one thing I've appreciated is the opportunity
Speaker 1: to create and create what I think is right, but
Speaker 1: then having that uh, that team to kind of turn
Speaker 1: back to and say, all right, this is what I'm doing.
Speaker 1: This is what you know, Jackson my producer, this is
Speaker 1: what we're doing. But now what do y'all see or
Speaker 1: what what's working?
Speaker 5: What isn't working? And they're like, all right, well this
Speaker 5: is working.
Speaker 1: Not going to tell you to get rid of this
Speaker 1: because that's your thing, but you see these things, these
Speaker 1: things work a little more, this thing may work a
Speaker 1: little less, and kind of having that collaborate, having that collaboration,
Speaker 1: but in the same token, the collaboration is still but
Speaker 1: it's you. It's your show. You're doing the show where
Speaker 1: your partner. But we signed we signed up to be
Speaker 1: your partner because we liked you you were now because
Speaker 1: we wanted to then make you who we are.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Yeah, they they let you rock. Really that's why I
Speaker 6: like them too. But and you, once again you played
Speaker 6: a big role for me, like our group going there
Speaker 6: because I'm like, damn, Draymond, do this ship. After games?
Speaker 6: They really let rock, like to like being in the NBA,
Speaker 6: you know how it goes like you don't supposed to
Speaker 6: say too much. You gotta talk to the media here
Speaker 6: and there, and then the media guy comes to you
Speaker 6: and like, oh you can talk to this guy, you
Speaker 6: can't talk to this person whatever. And I'm like, he's
Speaker 6: doing this after the game. He don't care what nobody's saying.
Speaker 6: He got his own thing going. I'm like, if they
Speaker 6: letting him do that and they helping him, I can
Speaker 6: only imagine what they're gonna do for us.
Speaker 3: So it was big. He played a role in that too.
Speaker 5: No, No, I'm happy y'all came over. Bro.
Speaker 1: It's super dope to see I think, you know, and
Speaker 1: watching what it's been built into over the last three years.
Speaker 5: It's night and day.
Speaker 1: And for me, like I was just talking about your
Speaker 1: podcast being bigger, I absolutely love that because the way
Speaker 1: I look at it and not the way it works is.
Speaker 5: High tie races all.
Speaker 3: Boats for sure.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, you raised the tide, we
Speaker 1: all go. You know what I'm saying, I do something good,
Speaker 1: we all benefited. I think that's that's what I like
Speaker 1: about it. You know, it's it's it's a home for
Speaker 1: all of us and Ultimately, the more success you have
Speaker 1: and DJ and Mike, the more success I have, the
Speaker 1: more success I have, the more success you have, and
Speaker 1: I think it's a beautiful thing. So really really happy
Speaker 1: that y'all came over because the audience that y'all bring.
Speaker 5: Also, it's a different audience, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: It's an audience that, like you got to Draymond Green Show,
Speaker 1: it's more about basketball, Like it's an audience that is
Speaker 1: driven by basketball, but also there's a there's kind of
Speaker 1: a comedy spin on what y'all do as well, and
Speaker 1: and then more importantly, there's a realness. And so you
Speaker 1: get that group of like people seeking the real stuff.
Speaker 5: And I always have an appreciation for that.
Speaker 1: I appreciate that, But uh, as a podcast for myself,
Speaker 1: Enough about podcasts, and I want to talk about your
Speaker 1: career because for me, for you to become an All Star.
Speaker 5: At the time where the point.
Speaker 1: Guard position was probably deep as it's ever been in
Speaker 1: the NBA.
Speaker 5: You're talking Steph Russ.
Speaker 1: Dane.
Speaker 3: Kyle, Laurie, John wall A.
Speaker 1: Man, Chris Paul at a time where the point and
Speaker 1: by the way, I'm sure we're missing seven names that
Speaker 1: came like at a time where the point guard position
Speaker 1: was as deep as it's ever been. You became an
Speaker 1: All Star? Yeah, what was that experience like for you?
Speaker 1: Did you believe, like before you became an All Star,
Speaker 1: did you believe that you were that caliber player? And
Speaker 1: then if so, what was it like to then actually
Speaker 1: become an All Star? Whence you got the nod?
Speaker 3: Nah?
Speaker 6: I told one of my best friend's named Lou back home,
Speaker 6: it was maybe two three years before that I was
Speaker 6: gonna make the All Star Game in New York.
Speaker 3: He was like what.
Speaker 6: I was like, Yeah, I'm gonna write it down. I'm
Speaker 6: gonna make the All Star Game in New York and
Speaker 6: I'm gonna shake Jay z Hen at half court and
Speaker 6: all that happened, by the way, So I was hyped,
Speaker 6: Like I knew I was gonna make it in New York.
Speaker 6: I had no question, Like I knew that's I already
Speaker 6: had that in my head. The problem is, I ain't
Speaker 6: make no more goals after that. That's where it got spooky.
Speaker 6: I ain't right down after that. But no, I knew
Speaker 6: I was gonna make it then, but I knew I
Speaker 6: was going in the right way.
Speaker 3: Like every year I was getting better and better.
Speaker 6: Then Coach Budd came and I had a score of mindset,
Speaker 6: like I want to score.
Speaker 3: I want to average twenty points. That was my goal
Speaker 3: to average twenty points.
Speaker 6: And he came to me and he was like, you
Speaker 6: would be All Star if you have a sixteen and
Speaker 6: eight and we win fifty games.
Speaker 3: I believed him, and it happened.
Speaker 6: And I hold him at a certain standard as a
Speaker 6: coach because he's unbelievable.
Speaker 3: But I just knew I was gonna make it the year.
Speaker 3: I don't know how I did it. I don't know.
Speaker 3: I just knew, and it happened, and it was cool.
Speaker 1: Y'all won a bunch of games, got four All Stars
Speaker 1: in but the people want to know, Yeah, so I
Speaker 1: must ask, shit, there have only been three, though.
Speaker 6: I ain't gonna lie. Kyle was the main like he
Speaker 6: was so much of a focal point. Our team made
Speaker 6: all of our jobs so much easier. I got to
Speaker 6: go to my right hand anytime I wanted to. Because
Speaker 6: Kyle was sitting in that corner. You couldn't leave him,
Speaker 6: so I was walking to the basket. So I'm not
Speaker 6: gonna say he shouldn't have been an All Star. But
Speaker 6: his numbers and stuff like that, I mean, whatever, but
Speaker 6: we knew how much he meant to our team. He
Speaker 6: was definitely probably the MVP of our team because he
Speaker 6: did all the little stuff and he made defenses change.
Speaker 3: Kyle was on the floor.
Speaker 6: You had to account for him, like he was almost
Speaker 6: like to go to player for us, Like people had
Speaker 6: to take him out the game because we ran our
Speaker 6: flow offense and it was based off him shooting threes.
Speaker 6: And when he wasn't making threes, we were tough, like
Speaker 6: we was in a tough situation. When he made threes,
Speaker 6: we scored a hundred thirty points. So I don't know.
Speaker 6: People say a lot of times like you shouldn't have
Speaker 6: made it, but I was happy he made it.
Speaker 3: He was one of my favorite teammates.
Speaker 1: It's interesting because when I think back to playing against
Speaker 1: those teams, to your point, a bunch of y'all sets
Speaker 1: were him coming off flying off, you get slips, you
Speaker 1: get you know, guys completely fucking up the matchup for sure,
Speaker 1: and if not he coming off dying as someone who
Speaker 1: averaged eight points and made an All Star game, you're
Speaker 1: not going.
Speaker 5: To get me to sit say his numbers wasn't right,
Speaker 5: but he shouldn't have.
Speaker 6: Made it the poortant part. Bro, I tell everybody, and
Speaker 6: we used to play, y'all. I hate it playing y'all
Speaker 6: because maybe like back off of Draymond, but then you
Speaker 6: can pass and you see the whole floor. But then
Speaker 6: you will go dribble handoff with step and they don't
Speaker 6: got nobody to help up with me, and it's like,
Speaker 6: you know, that's good. Same thing with Clay. And I'm like, y'all,
Speaker 6: understand what this man is doing. He the point guard.
Speaker 6: He really the point guard. He getting a rebound, pushing
Speaker 6: the ball, and y'all telling me to chase Steph around.
Speaker 3: This is the point guard.
Speaker 6: So I'm yelling at falling him, like guard him, Like
Speaker 6: y'all guard me, get up, and they like, no, no,
Speaker 6: we got to back up. He ain't gonna shoot it, man.
Speaker 6: I'm like, y'all, tripping, he's Rondeau. This is Rondou. He's
Speaker 6: just a taller rondo. But that's part of the game.
Speaker 1: A lot of teams did it. A lot of teams
Speaker 1: do it. And I absolutely love when tripping, bro, All right,
Speaker 1: are you just gonna let me sit here in this pocket.
Speaker 5: And pick you apart?
Speaker 6: Tripping Kenny Akason. You know, you know Kenny, he was
Speaker 6: the first one.
Speaker 3: Me and him talked.
Speaker 6: About it for hours, like Kenny is a great basketball man,
Speaker 6: and me and him, he's like, you gotta get up
Speaker 6: on Draymond.
Speaker 3: You gotta get up on round though.
Speaker 6: You cannot let him sit back there like Tom Brady
Speaker 6: gonna pick you apart, but nobody would listen to him.
Speaker 6: I believe. I'm like, Kenny was my guy. So I'm like, Kenny,
Speaker 6: you right, I'm watching tape. You gotta get up on him.
Speaker 6: I was like, and you dang near gotta switch. You
Speaker 6: gotta make Draymond school. You gotta make he gonna get
Speaker 6: twenty five. And you got the billy.
Speaker 3: Time we played you, you was killing I was and
Speaker 3: you was talking so much like yeah, motherfucker. We kept up.
Speaker 6: We just doubling the ball. You was getting in the pocket.
Speaker 6: He was making floaterstoing lives and bog and ship. I'm like,
Speaker 6: all right, man, fuck it. I'm like like, man, I
Speaker 6: hate this dude.
Speaker 3: Man. He was like, yeah, you better get out of that.
Speaker 3: This shit ain't gonna work tonight. But you that's what
Speaker 3: you did, bro. You unbelievable.
Speaker 1: No I appreciate it, bro. I'll never forget my first
Speaker 1: basket in the NBA. My first field goal I made
Speaker 1: was against y'all. I got the text smooth, stood under
Speaker 1: the rail and was like I came off the down screen.
Speaker 1: I caught it at the top of the key. He
Speaker 1: stood under there.
Speaker 5: I hit the three, like, yeah, you better get your
Speaker 5: ass out.
Speaker 1: First basket in the NBA been the story of my
Speaker 1: career ever since.
Speaker 3: Man legendary story though, for sure.
Speaker 1: For sure, So I'm definitely rocking with that. But Al Horford, yep, Yeah,
Speaker 1: teammate of yours just got his first championship.
Speaker 3: So happy for him, definitely, so happy for him.
Speaker 5: What's what.
Speaker 1: Like? What were those feelings in watching? I know ever
Speaker 1: man all kind of had a thing in our finals.
Speaker 1: I don't know how he feel about it. I don't
Speaker 1: take them personal.
Speaker 5: Maybe he do. I really don't give a ship.
Speaker 3: But a lot.
Speaker 5: Like he may he may fucking hate me. I don't
Speaker 5: really care. But a lot of people, and including me,
Speaker 5: are happy as hell for him. What was that like
Speaker 5: for you?
Speaker 1: Somebody who kind of started him on that trajectory with
Speaker 1: those teams that y'all had, but it wasn't able to
Speaker 1: get over the hump.
Speaker 5: In year seventeen, he finally gets it done.
Speaker 6: What was social for Big al Man because I know
Speaker 6: how hard he work and I know how bad he
Speaker 6: wanted to win a championship. He always would talk about
Speaker 6: winning in at Florida, went back to back championships, and
Speaker 6: he's like, man, I used to make a joke like
Speaker 6: when we went in Atlanta, I'm gonna be on the
Speaker 6: Magic City float. And he used to be like, only
Speaker 6: you would say that. Only you would say that. He's like,
Speaker 6: let's just win and just get on a float, but
Speaker 6: it has to be Magic City. And I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 6: I'm gonna be on that Magic City flow. You know
Speaker 6: how it's going. I'm gonna have one thousand dollars and
Speaker 6: each everybody here. I'm just telling this crazy story. And
Speaker 6: he would be like, I want to I want the
Speaker 6: championship so bad. So to see him win and to
Speaker 6: see his mom, his wife, his kids, his brother's dad,
Speaker 6: they all there, his sister. I'm like, yeah, I know
Speaker 6: that mental world to him, and the do it in
Speaker 6: Boston because he left Atlanta to go to Boston for
Speaker 6: a championship, and.
Speaker 3: I have that happened for him I was like, yeah,
Speaker 3: no doubt hip for you.
Speaker 5: Bro Absolutely.
Speaker 1: In our careers, I always say, we all play to
Speaker 1: get replaced, coach to get fired. Uh, general managers create
Speaker 1: teams to get fired. That's just the business that when
Speaker 1: we get older, our talents deteriorate. I'm kind of headed
Speaker 1: towards that path. Now, what was it like for you? Well,
Speaker 1: I thought at the time you were still at the
Speaker 1: top of your game, like still playing at an elite level,
Speaker 1: and then for a team to move on and kind
Speaker 1: of go with Schroeder after all that you have been doing.
Speaker 5: In that organization.
Speaker 6: Yeah, So that year was a tough year because I
Speaker 6: had I had a tearing my patella the whole year,
Speaker 6: so I'm doing I had to do PRP injection all
Speaker 6: this stuff after the season, and I was just kind
Speaker 6: of upset because I want an extension, Like I had
Speaker 6: just made the All Star year a year before and
Speaker 6: we had a pretty decent year that year. I had
Speaker 6: shot like forty something from the three in my first
Speaker 6: time in my career, and I was like sixteen something.
Speaker 6: I just want to extension. I didn't want nothing crazy.
Speaker 6: I just wanted to stay in Atlanta, and they kind
Speaker 6: of like, man, we don't know. And I was like, okay,
Speaker 6: that says a lot. So I was like, what do
Speaker 6: I want to do with me? And they was like
Speaker 6: what do you want to do? I was like I
Speaker 6: never had somebody ask me that. And I was like, well,
Speaker 6: if y'all asking me me, y'all want me to do,
Speaker 6: make a decision. Y'all don't want me here no more.
Speaker 6: And Coach bubb was like, I do, but GM they
Speaker 6: might want to go a different way. And it kind
Speaker 6: of threw me off. So I was like, all right,
Speaker 6: well I did a lot for the city. Where y'all
Speaker 6: gonna trade me? He was like Philly, I was, and
Speaker 6: it was out of nowhere. I was like, Philly, y'all
Speaker 6: really gonna trade me?
Speaker 3: I was hurt. Then Coach Bubba was I can't do
Speaker 3: you like that? Where you want to go?
Speaker 6: And I was literally sitting on my porch in my
Speaker 6: house and at the end of my brother I was like,
Speaker 6: I want to play for the pacers. He was all right,
Speaker 6: I got you. I'm gonna trade you to the pacers.
Speaker 6: I'm gonna call him and were gonna figure out how
Speaker 6: to get you to the pacers. He was like, that's
Speaker 6: what my favorite I'm gonna do for you. He was,
Speaker 6: I hope you signed an extension there. I hope you
Speaker 6: stayed there for a long time. I love you, man,
Speaker 6: I'm gonna do that for you. Then you trade me
Speaker 6: to the Pacers.
Speaker 5: Wow?
Speaker 3: Yeah, wow, So you got a lot of love. Oh.
Speaker 6: I love coach budd bro because he didn't have to
Speaker 6: do that. He could have traded me to Philly and
Speaker 6: that's when Philly was down bad. He was just like,
Speaker 6: we want to get a draft pick or something. Then
Speaker 6: he was like me, he did too much for me.
Speaker 6: I mean, I just got paid twenty five million. He's like,
Speaker 6: you deserve to get paid. But I don't really control that.
Speaker 6: But I he was running the team, but he was
Speaker 6: like the owner and assistant GM. Theydn't really want to
Speaker 6: go somebody younger. He was like, but I'm gonna trade
Speaker 6: you to the Placers.
Speaker 5: That's fine.
Speaker 6: Yeah. So I appreciated that because I was at the crib. Now,
Speaker 6: it's the funniest you ever played playing basketball.
Speaker 1: I was just about to ask you, like, what was
Speaker 1: that like going home to play having all your guys,
Speaker 1: they're all your family there.
Speaker 5: For most people, that can be a distraction what was
Speaker 5: it like for you?
Speaker 6: See my family, they don't. We don't really take like
Speaker 6: the NBA too serious. Like it's like, all right, you're
Speaker 6: playing the NBA, but you just little Jeff you not
Speaker 6: your you bro, You that's you. I can't really say,
Speaker 6: I camera, I tell you what day, bro. But they
Speaker 6: called me that at the crib. But when I was
Speaker 6: at home, but everybody just treat me like that, Like
Speaker 6: I don't when I go places.
Speaker 3: I go to the hole in the wall. Bro. I
Speaker 3: don't got to worry about nobody trying to. I'll tell
Speaker 3: you what up.
Speaker 5: Bro.
Speaker 6: It's just like Jeff, Bro, they ain't. It's different. I
Speaker 6: don't know if you feel like that when you go home.
Speaker 1: I do. I think it's the same way. Like I
Speaker 1: don't go home much. I'm from sacking Off, Yeah, Indianapolis,
Speaker 1: although it ain't want of the greater her NBA cities.
Speaker 3: It's definitely not.
Speaker 5: I mean, it's a better city than sacking Off.
Speaker 1: So I don't go home a Bunton, but when I do,
Speaker 1: it's the same thing. Like the people that I've known
Speaker 1: my whole life, I'm still just day that, Like that's
Speaker 1: just what it is like.
Speaker 5: And I'm never going to approach it like.
Speaker 1: Anything other than that, like you should look at me different,
Speaker 1: or you should like I am just day that by
Speaker 1: the way, I actually appreciate that way more.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what I love too.
Speaker 6: Absolutely like going home and people like be hearing one
Speaker 6: of the guys on the podcast he has a brunch
Speaker 6: that he does once a month, and I go, people
Speaker 6: just like, tee, what's happening, Well, I know you're gonna
Speaker 6: be in here on something, like they know I'm coming,
Speaker 6: Like they even like they don't even think I play basketball.
Speaker 3: They don't even look at it like that.
Speaker 6: Bro, It's just like it's just jeff Like, I don't
Speaker 6: I got no change, I don't got no jury. I
Speaker 6: never I got one watch my mom bought me.
Speaker 3: I never wore. I don't do I drive a pickup truck.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 6: I'm just trying to be normal as possible, and I
Speaker 6: don't really trying to do anything too much out of
Speaker 6: the norm. Man.
Speaker 3: I think people appreciate that back home, so they just
Speaker 3: kind of treat me like one of the guys, neighborhood hero.
Speaker 3: I won't even say that, just one of the guys,
Speaker 3: one of the guys.
Speaker 1: No doubt. What was it like for you being in
Speaker 1: the NBA. Obviously, we grow up with these dreams of
Speaker 1: making it to the NBA. We share these dreams with
Speaker 1: our siblings. I had a brother who's two years older
Speaker 1: than me. He never made it to the NBA, but
Speaker 1: that was a dream that we shared together. I can
Speaker 1: only imagine that was a dream that you and markt
Speaker 1: shared together. By the way that Nigga took my draft spot,
Speaker 1: and I ain't never forgetting that.
Speaker 5: You make sure you let him know. I still feel away.
Speaker 5: I got nothing, beloved.
Speaker 3: I guarantee you what, traj.
Speaker 1: He took my spot and it's cool, and I had
Speaker 1: to go second round. It worked out, but ah, I
Speaker 1: could have been in Chicago, right near the crib. I
Speaker 1: had to go all the way to Cali addressed to
Speaker 1: excuse me adjust to a new way of life that
Speaker 1: I felt like I was in It's them ball or something.
Speaker 1: I was so far away from home, home sick. So
Speaker 1: you just let him know. He ruined my life for
Speaker 1: the first two years of my career. But it's cool.
Speaker 1: But what was that like when you saw him ultimately
Speaker 1: become a first round pick and you're already in the NBA.
Speaker 6: Man, that was an unbelievable feeling. Like we knew he
Speaker 6: was going to the NBA. I mean, he was number
Speaker 6: one player all that stuff since he was seventh grade,
Speaker 6: so I knew he was going to NBA. But it
Speaker 6: was just still a moment where it was like, damn, man,
Speaker 6: your dream really came true because my dream wasn't the NBA.
Speaker 5: Really.
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, as a little kid, I want
Speaker 3: to make to the NBA.
Speaker 6: But when I start getting older, I started realizing, Like
Speaker 6: I played against Eric Gordon in high school, I'm like, okay,
Speaker 6: that was like an NBA player. I probably not an
Speaker 6: NBA player. He got thirty. I got thirty, but he's
Speaker 6: thirty a little easier than my thirty. And then like
Speaker 6: when I went to college, I went to Wake for us,
Speaker 6: we weren't that good. And I've seen James Johnson, I'm like,
Speaker 6: that's an NBA player, probably not an NBA player. So
Speaker 6: I started putting real goals together, like or I'm gonna
Speaker 6: graduate from Wait, I'm gonna probably play five years overseas.
Speaker 6: I'm gonna try to save up like three million dollars
Speaker 6: if I can, as long as I can play, and
Speaker 6: I'm gonna go back to my high school, be the coach,
Speaker 6: probably teach a little bit, and just live off the three,
Speaker 6: you know, make a couple hundred, like one hundred thousand
Speaker 6: or two whatever, hopefully being a teacher and a coach
Speaker 6: and doing some other stuff in business, and then just live,
Speaker 6: have a family, have some kids out.
Speaker 3: Would all this never in a thousand years what I
Speaker 3: thought this would happen.
Speaker 5: Do you still want to be a high school coach?
Speaker 3: I'm my high school coach.
Speaker 5: You coached?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I did it. I coached him the head coach
Speaker 3: I played high school? Really?
Speaker 5: Yep, y'all weak?
Speaker 3: We was last year. We ain't gonna be this year though.
Speaker 3: We was last year.
Speaker 6: It was a week But we're gonna be better next year, though,
Speaker 6: are y'all? Are y'all able to recruit players down there? No,
Speaker 6: So you got to live in the neighborhood. They just
Speaker 6: opened up where it's like to open the school gates
Speaker 6: whatever you want to call it, where we can like
Speaker 6: get guys from different Yeah, but barely at pbably not
Speaker 6: really barely. You gotta kind of be kind of recruit
Speaker 6: I guess you can say suggested to go here or whatever.
Speaker 6: But it's getting better. But we got a really good team.
Speaker 6: We got some young guys who are actually a really
Speaker 6: talent talented. We got some guys with Michigan State looking
Speaker 6: at so all right, that's fine.
Speaker 1: Speaking to James Johnson, uh, probably the most fear of
Speaker 1: man in the NBA.
Speaker 3: I seen him in actions for real.
Speaker 1: So I was just like you, like, have you ever
Speaker 1: seen him get at something?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've seen him.
Speaker 6: So that's why when people be like, oh, it's a story,
Speaker 6: is it, Bro, I've seen this in real life, y'all.
Speaker 3: Do not want that. Bro.
Speaker 6: I tell everybody he knock out three dudes at one time,
Speaker 6: knock knock out seven footer.
Speaker 3: I haven't seen it all. Like, he not nothing to
Speaker 3: play with, Bro.
Speaker 6: And he get into a kickboxing stance, so like you
Speaker 6: know you're about to fight somebody square up. He he
Speaker 6: pulling his pants up kickboxing style Like I'm like nah,
Speaker 6: And I remember one time I told him like, I
Speaker 6: don't care about to show me that whole day in practice, Bro,
Speaker 6: I was in there thinking like if this, if this
Speaker 6: dude really showed me, Bro, I ain't gonna make it home. Bro,
Speaker 6: I'm gonna have to I'm gonna have to do something different. Bro,
Speaker 6: I'm gonna have to go to the store and get
Speaker 6: something because it ain't gonna work.
Speaker 3: His hands is different.
Speaker 5: Bro, that's hilarious.
Speaker 6: Man.
Speaker 5: All right, y'all still close to that. I know he
Speaker 5: he been in with the patience.
Speaker 3: My god.
Speaker 6: I don't see him as much because you know, you
Speaker 6: know how the NBA is. I'm chilling, he moving around,
Speaker 6: But that's my guy. When I see him, it's my brother.
Speaker 3: Bro. We did so much in school and being together.
Speaker 6: Man. The nicest dude in the world. Bro, He'll give
Speaker 6: you a shirt off his back. And how you treat people,
Speaker 6: it's unbelievable. But when when he's turned on that switch
Speaker 6: to beat a black belt James Johnson, Bro, nobody wants that.
Speaker 3: Bro.
Speaker 6: And I've seen videos of his whole family. His whole
Speaker 6: family black belts really from the pops. His mom, she's
Speaker 6: some more like their whole family is leath.
Speaker 5: Okay, this is all starting to make.
Speaker 6: So his whole family, I think it's got like it's
Speaker 6: like six of them, right, brothers. He got videos his
Speaker 6: dad beating his legs with like wood to keep like
Speaker 6: but they got their feet up six inches beating his
Speaker 6: legs was so when you see James' legs is massive
Speaker 6: and super strong, but it's for kickboxing, so' nah, he's different.
Speaker 3: Bro. Yeah, somebody trying. Bro.
Speaker 1: I'm telling y'all, y'all see, bro, it's crazy. It's what
Speaker 1: What is all so crazy is what he does for
Speaker 1: that team.
Speaker 5: No one will ever know.
Speaker 1: And I know what he does for the team because
Speaker 1: playing against them young dudes, the demeanor they carry is
Speaker 1: almost as such a like, y'all ain't gonna do nothing,
Speaker 1: and it's.
Speaker 5: As such like if you know, you know why?
Speaker 1: Absolutely, So they out there, they just playing free as
Speaker 1: hell and ultimately knowing like, ain't nobody gonna mess with us?
Speaker 5: And it allows them to just ball.
Speaker 1: It allows them to just play free, which is their style,
Speaker 1: which is their brand of basketball.
Speaker 5: And when they didn't bring.
Speaker 1: Him in initially last year, I was like, they know
Speaker 1: how they enforce her, it's gonna look a lot different.
Speaker 5: I'm not I probably should know.
Speaker 1: I don't know who the hell is the general manager
Speaker 1: of the Indiana Pacers.
Speaker 3: Oh he's still there, kp still there? Wow?
Speaker 1: I didn't know he was still there, Okay, Kevin Pritchard.
Speaker 1: I did not know he was still there. He realized
Speaker 1: really quick. We should get him back.
Speaker 6: In at Milwaukee situation, they said, yeah, God, bring JJ back.
Speaker 3: Yeah sure, But that's how I was in college.
Speaker 1: Bro.
Speaker 6: Our freshman year, they kept calling me Mike Conley when
Speaker 6: I came to wait for us, the football players, and
Speaker 6: they used to It would piss me off, like he like, yo,
Speaker 6: They's like Mike Conley, what's up? And I'm like, Bro,
Speaker 6: don't call me Mike Conley. Bro and JJ we didn't
Speaker 6: really know.
Speaker 3: Each other yet. He was like you calling Mike Conley
Speaker 3: again and knock you out?
Speaker 6: But didn't nobody know who that he had this kickboxing resume,
Speaker 6: and we like, I'm like, damn, bro right on.
Speaker 3: He like, nah, I'm tired of him say that. Bro.
Speaker 6: He sayd again, i'mkock you out. You know, football players
Speaker 6: like what showed me? James Like come on, football players
Speaker 6: were just talking shit.
Speaker 3: Bro. We cool, Bro.
Speaker 6: And then somebody told him, like one of the coach
Speaker 6: was like, hey, Bro, leave him alone. He know who
Speaker 6: y'all think he is. And everybody like what do you do?
Speaker 6: And the coaches started telling him like Bro, he had
Speaker 6: kickboxing and so we didn't know either. So we had
Speaker 6: had a meeting as a team this dude had a
Speaker 6: kickboxing match set up while we're in college.
Speaker 3: No, this is real, the true story. Yeah. I told
Speaker 3: y'all plenty of time.
Speaker 6: The coach has to sit us down and tell us, like, Yo,
Speaker 6: are you gonna be a kickbox or a basketball player?
Speaker 6: He like, I need some money. He like, damn, you
Speaker 6: about to go fight for money. I'm not fucking with
Speaker 6: this dude. You're different, bro, You're about to really go fight.
Speaker 6: He's like, yeah, I think he was like ten and
Speaker 6: oh or something. He had a record already. He was
Speaker 6: just like, I'm like ten and oh on kickboxing. I
Speaker 6: need some extra money around here. He had a match
Speaker 6: set up, bro, he had that. He chose basketball, though,
Speaker 6: but great.
Speaker 5: Was what the fourth picking of the six.
Speaker 3: Sixteen sixteen he went sixteen?
Speaker 5: He wanted to kickbox.
Speaker 3: I'm telling you that's what he said he was gonna
Speaker 3: do when he retired. There's a much better life being
Speaker 3: in basketball away.
Speaker 6: He said that he retires, he's gonna be a kickboxing
Speaker 6: You're gonna go back. You don't see him talk crazy
Speaker 6: to John Jones. I know he's not doing that, but
Speaker 6: John Jones is different.
Speaker 1: J J.
Speaker 6: I lave you to death, listen, I don't know that.
Speaker 6: That's a different world. I don't want no smoke with
Speaker 6: either one of y'all. But he said he wanted to
Speaker 6: fight John Jones. I'm like, all right, that's crazy.
Speaker 5: I'm cool on that.
Speaker 3: I'm cool, bro, I'm cool on that.
Speaker 1: I've heard you talk about the the Minnesota timberwol practice
Speaker 1: with Jimmy where Jimmy kind of called out everybody. You
Speaker 1: just kind of mentioned it in the sense that he
Speaker 1: took guys and beat everybody. What was there always tension?
Speaker 1: Like that day is infamous and everybody knows about that day,
Speaker 1: but like.
Speaker 5: The guys in the locker room are still the same guys.
Speaker 1: Was there always that type of tension amongst that group, because.
Speaker 5: I mean, let's just face it, some guys are a
Speaker 5: little softer than others.
Speaker 6: Now, it wasn't that, Like it really was based off
Speaker 6: of Jimmy wanted to be paid. That's where it came from. Like,
Speaker 6: it wasn't about Cat, it wasn't about Wig, it wasn't
Speaker 6: about me, taj d Rose, none of that. It was
Speaker 6: about him getting paid. And when he came here, Tivs
Speaker 6: told him, like, Yo, we're gonna take care of you.
Speaker 3: So he was like, I'm gonna make I'll never forget.
Speaker 6: Jimmy called me and was like, y'all come to Minnesota,
Speaker 6: and I'm like, all right, he got Taje you come now,
Speaker 6: We're come to Minnesota, Jamal to come. We all coming.
Speaker 6: He's like, we're gonna win, bro. He was like, we're
Speaker 6: gonna be a top five seed New West. We're gonna win.
Speaker 6: We're gonna shock the world. People don't believe me. He
Speaker 6: was like, I'm not good. I was like, Damn, Jimmy,
Speaker 6: I'm good too, Like you know what I mean, Like, Nah,
Speaker 6: I'm not good, bro, I'm gonna change this whole thing around.
Speaker 3: Damn.
Speaker 6: We forgot about Cat and Wigs, Like we weren't even
Speaker 6: thinking about them until we got the practice and I've
Speaker 6: seen Cat and I'm like, hey, he the best player
Speaker 6: on the team.
Speaker 3: And Jimmy like he the best one. Then I'm like
Speaker 3: Wig dynamic too.
Speaker 6: He was like, Cat going everage twenty five, Wig gonna
Speaker 6: everage twenty something.
Speaker 3: I'm an average, like eighteen.
Speaker 6: He was like, you're gonna get your fourteen, Tis gonna
Speaker 6: get his twelve thirteen whatever. He was like, but they're
Speaker 6: gonna be the mother focal point. I'm gonna do all
Speaker 6: the little things. I'm like cool. First two games of
Speaker 6: the season, we wasn't looking that good. Jimmy coming to
Speaker 6: the locker room, he was like, fuck this sick. I
Speaker 6: gotta be me. I gotta take over this whole thing.
Speaker 6: He started killing. We going this run. We start winning games,
Speaker 6: and he just started like they ain't the once, like
Speaker 6: they don't got it. I'm like, damn, Jimmy, they got it.
Speaker 6: Like like they ain't got it, they don't believe like
Speaker 6: we believe. They used to losing. I don't know how
Speaker 6: to lose. I ain't used to losing. They used to losing.
Speaker 6: And he just started being him and the whole thing changed.
Speaker 6: We started believing in him. But you know, when somebody
Speaker 6: got that kind of will power, some guys can't handle that.
Speaker 6: Like I'm I'm all in because it wasn't bothering me,
Speaker 6: Like all right, you're the star, I will follow you.
Speaker 6: You the star. But Kat was still young. You know Wig,
Speaker 6: you play with Wig. Wig ain't tripping, not all.
Speaker 5: He's not one bit.
Speaker 6: He looking at me, I like Jimmy. So Jimmy heard
Speaker 6: that and was like, I'm rocking with Wig.
Speaker 1: Too.
Speaker 6: But Cat he Cat like Jimmy, but the way he
Speaker 6: used to talk to people, Cat just really couldn't handle it.
Speaker 6: Jimmy get hurt. We went from three to the A seed,
Speaker 6: like fighting and getting the playoffs. Jimmy realized that Jimmy
Speaker 6: came back for like three games, were getting the playoffs.
Speaker 6: When we losing the first round whatever, Jimmy was still
Speaker 6: hurt that summer. Jimmy like, y'all see when I'm out
Speaker 6: with the team, looked like when I'm in, what we
Speaker 6: look like? Take care of me. I want to get
Speaker 6: paid right now. But it was Cat turn to get
Speaker 6: the extension. We like, it's just Cat turn, bro, your
Speaker 6: turn next. He's like, nah my turn now. Like Tim's
Speaker 6: calling me, like, can you just told Jimmy we're going
Speaker 6: to play him next year? Jimmy said, no now, or
Speaker 6: trade me.
Speaker 3: Tips.
Speaker 6: I can't do it. It's like paying tipsis. I can't
Speaker 6: do it. I literally can't do it. Jimmy's I'm out,
Speaker 6: we have a meeting. I'm like, Jimmy, please, I'm calling.
Speaker 6: I don't even know why I was calling him because
Speaker 6: I didn't even care. I mean, this is just me beer.
Speaker 6: I didn't care I'm like, Jimmy, if you want to leave,
Speaker 6: go leave. I just signed it. I'm mad you brought
Speaker 6: me here because I could have stayed at Indiana.
Speaker 3: But if you go leave, leave, Bro, all right, we
Speaker 3: gonna hoo regardless.
Speaker 6: I love you to death, but I can't be begging
Speaker 6: no man in station where I don't care that much.
Speaker 6: He like, yeah, I'm out to you. I'm like, all right,
Speaker 6: we have a meeting. TAJ like, no, Jimmy can't do
Speaker 6: that to me. He was, I'm gonna have a meeting.
Speaker 6: If anybody tell anybody that's how jim was talking to us.
Speaker 6: You got me messed up. Anybody tell anybody about this meeting.
Speaker 6: I'm out. I bust out, laughing, like, Bro, all right,
Speaker 6: we lead a meeting.
Speaker 1: Bro.
Speaker 3: Literally, Jimmy tweets I'm out and we like from.
Speaker 6: What nobody said, nothing like he having a meeting where
Speaker 6: he's doing the show with Rachel Nichols.
Speaker 3: Bro, you about to talk about it? You crazy to hell? Bro,
Speaker 3: But I love Jimmy though he crazy, but it was
Speaker 3: just money.
Speaker 1: I can dig that before we get out of here.
Speaker 1: I'd be remiss if I didn't talk about championship.
Speaker 3: Man, you got to talk about that now.
Speaker 1: I got some things that I want to know as well.
Speaker 1: But and also as an NBA champion, I must talk
Speaker 1: about that because.
Speaker 5: There's a certain level of respect that comes from me
Speaker 5: for champions because that shit is hard to do it,
Speaker 5: and it.
Speaker 1: Is hard whether you are the first option or whether
Speaker 1: you are the fifteenth man. For sure, it is extremely
Speaker 1: hard for that shit to come together and to win
Speaker 1: a championship and a lot of luck and people don't
Speaker 1: take that into a car. I have a huge appreciation
Speaker 1: for people that win a championship and a huge respect
Speaker 1: because also you also create your luck too, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. And so you go to Milwaukee reunited.
Speaker 5: With coach Budd. What was it like with that team?
Speaker 1: Did you guys like believe initially like, yo, we got
Speaker 1: a championship team.
Speaker 5: It kind of had to come together.
Speaker 1: What was it like then going to play Coach Budd, Giannis,
Speaker 1: Chris Drew and ultimately winning championship with the Bucks.
Speaker 6: So I started that year off with Boston and that's
Speaker 6: when I met j T Jason Tay, that's my guy's
Speaker 6: one of my good friends, him, j Be and all
Speaker 6: them guys, And I thought that was like a championship team.
Speaker 6: I'm like, I'm going to Boston and I started off
Speaker 6: the season playing pretty good there and I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 6: this is a team I think we can win. Kimball
Speaker 6: was out though, so Kimball was hurt for a little bit.
Speaker 6: And when Kimball came back, you know, the chemistry was
Speaker 6: trying to get everybody going. We just couldn't figure it out.
Speaker 6: And they were about to make a trade. They like,
Speaker 6: you can stay, but we don't think you're gonna play
Speaker 6: as much as your plan. I was like, oh, well shit,
Speaker 6: I'm gonna leave. And they was like you can go
Speaker 6: wherever you want to go. He'll put you on. We're
Speaker 6: gonna trade you. And John Hemmon good guy guy, I
Speaker 6: know for a long time. He was like we're gonna trade.
Speaker 6: They're gonna trade. We're gonna trade you to the Magic.
Speaker 6: He was like, our wave you unless you want to
Speaker 6: be here. He was like, you can sign back here
Speaker 6: as a vet. You're not gonna play though, and I
Speaker 6: was like, nah, I want to play. He's like, I'll
Speaker 6: wave you so you can go wherever. And Coach Budd
Speaker 6: called me immediate like come here, you're gonna play, which
Speaker 6: I ain't.
Speaker 3: Play that much. Coach Budd lied to me, but it's
Speaker 3: all good. And then ty Lou called me.
Speaker 6: It was like, come to the Clippers, bro, We play
Speaker 6: everybody like we didn't brought Reggie Jackson back to life.
Speaker 6: We bring people back to life. Like, if you want
Speaker 6: to play, come play here. Coach Budd called me again,
Speaker 6: like we're gonna win the championship. I'm a rock with
Speaker 6: Bud Man. I know, Bud, go there, good year. You
Speaker 6: can tell we had something. But I didn't know if
Speaker 6: we had championship. I never been on the championship team,
Speaker 6: so I don't know what that feels like. I just
Speaker 6: know we were a good team. We end up playing.
Speaker 6: I just when I hurt my knee. So I have
Speaker 6: hurt my knee. I get in everybody. They tell me
Speaker 6: I need microfracture surgery. I'm like, oh snap, it's over with.
Speaker 6: So now I'm in Like I'm like, all right, I'm
Speaker 6: in coach mode now. So now I'm going to coach
Speaker 6: Bud office talking.
Speaker 3: You know, PJ. Tucker, my dog, So he complaining about
Speaker 3: every play like.
Speaker 6: I don't get the bomb, Like, man, y'all, this's on
Speaker 6: your team. You got to get the ball, go to
Speaker 6: the corner. So what you're gonna do with it? Dribble,
Speaker 6: hand offf lit go to the quarter. Talk you about dog,
Speaker 6: but look, go to the quarter. So being Hill was
Speaker 6: joking every day and Coach bub was like, I think
Speaker 6: we're gonna win a champion.
Speaker 3: You kept saying that to me.
Speaker 6: We started playing KD Kyrie, I mean Kadi James hor
Speaker 6: and Kyrie. The first game, we get beat about like forty.
Speaker 6: I go to this office like coach, I'll think a
Speaker 6: He like like he felt like he was about to
Speaker 6: get fired. I never forget that. He like, he being
Speaker 6: real with me. He kind of like I felt like
Speaker 6: it was like over, like you know, this.
Speaker 3: Room was over in Milwaukee. Me like, I'm I'm low key.
Speaker 6: I'm like, man, I think the Pacers gonna hire you
Speaker 6: like they I'm kind of like I'm setting myself because
Speaker 6: I know I live in Indiana.
Speaker 3: So I'm like, if the Pacers hire you, like you know,
Speaker 3: sawn me like I wanna be a coach.
Speaker 6: He like what, I'm not even thinking about that right now,
Speaker 6: but I know he was that we got beat by fifty.
Speaker 6: The second game, we get blasted by like fifty five,
Speaker 6: Like it's crazy, like it's it's not even close. We like,
Speaker 6: we don't stand a chance. God Ree rose his ankle
Speaker 6: third game and you could see like the lights switch it,
Speaker 6: like we can beat him now. And Yannis stepped up,
Speaker 6: Chris Drew, they all started just playing phenomenal. And now
Speaker 6: we knew we get passed them. We was winning championship
Speaker 6: and we got past them. We ended up winning. Kd
Speaker 6: had his toe on the line. We ended up getting there.
Speaker 6: After that, I knew he was winning championship. Like the Hawks.
Speaker 6: I came back. They let me play. I started rehaving
Speaker 6: my knee. They was like, we're gonna let you play
Speaker 6: against the Hawks. I had a little moment. I hit
Speaker 6: some threes. I'm talking crazy to the Hawks.
Speaker 3: They bore me.
Speaker 6: I'm like, damn getting booed in Atlanta. I ain't never
Speaker 6: thought that had happened. But it was a cool run.
Speaker 3: So I know what you say, I fielder, like, you know,
Speaker 3: the championship run was special, But I guess just for me,
Speaker 3: I always.
Speaker 6: Like imagine, like damn, I was in the game, man,
Speaker 6: I threw a pass to the corner or something good
Speaker 6: happened while I was in there, and it just didn't
Speaker 6: happen in the Championship series, but it definitely took a team.
Speaker 5: No, that's for sure.
Speaker 1: I had this conversation with Matt Barnes before because what
Speaker 1: I'm picking up from you, you kind of feel like him, Yeah,
Speaker 1: which is as a true hooper like Matt is, as
Speaker 1: a real one like Matt is. You're like, yeah, but
Speaker 1: I ain't really gift to it what I know I
Speaker 1: would have liked to give to it.
Speaker 5: And that's a.
Speaker 3: Relevant I hear you've been.
Speaker 6: It's different for you, Bro, You've been like in that moment,
Speaker 6: you've been a guy like you You one of them guys.
Speaker 6: So like championships were won and lost off stuff you did,
Speaker 6: you know what I'm saying. Like I was going to
Speaker 6: the game and the finals, Bro, I didn't have insols in,
Speaker 6: but I knew I wasn't getting in the game, bro,
Speaker 6: like I was had on the I'm worried the freshest
Speaker 6: Kobe's He's going back home, Like I know I'm not
Speaker 6: getting in and like that's a different feeling than like
Speaker 6: you know, like I'm looking at the scaleryport I'm in
Speaker 6: coaches mod. Really I'm looking at the scaling for I'm
Speaker 6: helping Drew, But Drew, you don't really need my help,
Speaker 6: you know. The scoalingport good as me, Like, I ain't
Speaker 6: doing nothing. I'm just making y'all laugh. Bro on a
Speaker 6: plane at this.
Speaker 5: Point, which matters.
Speaker 1: It did, and it matters because it gets so thick
Speaker 1: and like uptight that if somebody is making us life,
Speaker 1: the benefit that they have on the team keeps us loose,
Speaker 1: it matters.
Speaker 3: Matter of fact, You're right cause t A Suh.
Speaker 6: Janni's brother when we went down oh two, he had
Speaker 6: COVID so he couldn't come to the plane. That's why
Speaker 6: we went down to Giannis was messed up. Like him
Speaker 6: and his brother. Bro, they got some different kind of connection.
Speaker 6: He can't function or play if you don't see his brother.
Speaker 6: I'm being for real, it's not even it's different.
Speaker 3: Bro.
Speaker 6: He was like, where t A? Where ta We in
Speaker 6: the middle of the game. I'm like, bro we in
Speaker 6: the finals, Bro played like where ta where ta? So
Speaker 6: t A makes this magic like COVID recovery. I know
Speaker 6: he still had it. No way, Bro, it's fourteen days, Bro,
Speaker 6: he's back. In thirty he's back then he see him
Speaker 6: tunnel tunnel vision back on him. They started hooping, but
Speaker 6: his energy was like contagious, like he running in the
Speaker 6: locker room COVID everything, you got, yelling, screaming, and I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 6: he matters, like he makes a difference for our team.
Speaker 6: When he's not here, something's not clicking. But when t
Speaker 6: A was there, he made it like he mattered. And
Speaker 6: then somehow he's in the locker room he does all that.
Speaker 6: When the parade come, he has a robe by himself
Speaker 6: because he got COVID.
Speaker 3: This, who cares Yea.
Speaker 6: I was like, bro there's no way y'all got him
Speaker 6: ribbed by himself. Now he just was in the locker
Speaker 6: room broke.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's wild.
Speaker 1: That's wild, but I agree with it because you gotta
Speaker 1: do it what you gotta do to win a championship.
Speaker 5: It's funny. I was about that.
Speaker 1: My next question was actually about ta and you just
Speaker 1: brought him up. He gets this rap on social media
Speaker 1: because of the funny clips, like people almost try to
Speaker 1: make him out to be a clown. And I've actually
Speaker 1: gotten to know the person very very very very solid,
Speaker 1: good dude, smart, good dude. And I've also talked to
Speaker 1: people other people that has played on teams with him.
Speaker 1: I've never heard one bad thing about him as a teammate,
Speaker 1: and I'll take it a step further. I've also heard
Speaker 1: people say, even him as a basketball player, some of
Speaker 1: the stuff that he do in games is like they
Speaker 1: can't even believe it when they see it, because he's
Speaker 1: nothing like that.
Speaker 6: I tell him all the time because we laughed at
Speaker 6: the clips too. We make fun of it or whatever.
Speaker 6: You know, we joke all day. But I tell them, like, nah, Bro,
Speaker 6: he can really hoop. Y'all gotta see his highlights too.
Speaker 6: Now he got where he dunked on a couple of people.
Speaker 6: He euro state, like the low lights are funny, and
Speaker 6: they super funny today.
Speaker 3: I ain't gonna lie.
Speaker 6: His highlights are amazing too. And I tell people he
Speaker 6: can really hoop. He not just there because he's Bro.
Speaker 6: I'm like, y'all know he got picked before in the NBA,
Speaker 6: Like he got drafted and he played in the NBA
Speaker 6: before Jannis, Like, he can hoop, bro, And I'm glad
Speaker 6: you brought that up because ta he do his job
Speaker 6: very well. I mean, he cheered on the team. He's
Speaker 6: a great part of that organization. Like he makes it
Speaker 6: run I'm not gonna lie. He gives that energy, but
Speaker 6: he can actually yeah, no doubt, no doubt. Man.
Speaker 5: I appreciate you coming on the show.
Speaker 3: Thanks for having me, Bro.
Speaker 5: This has been a.
Speaker 1: Blast, absolutely, It's dope. I'm looking forward to coming back
Speaker 1: on Club five twenty. Yes, sir, have a good time
Speaker 1: with the fellas. But man, like I said before, I
Speaker 1: wanna say it again. I love y'all show and what
Speaker 1: you're doing. I love your trajectory on everything that you're creating.
Speaker 1: To see you being on All Star in the NBA,
Speaker 1: which is one of the hardest things in basketball to do,
Speaker 1: especially at the time that you had to do it
Speaker 1: as a point guard, and to be bigger right now
Speaker 1: today already and just the first year or two of
Speaker 1: you doing this and to be bigger and going that
Speaker 1: way is a beautiful thing to see.
Speaker 3: Bro.
Speaker 5: Keep going here, y'all, keep doing.
Speaker 1: It, keep bringing the content because I need to watch
Speaker 1: it out man.
Speaker 3: Now, you keep doing your thing.
Speaker 5: Bro.
Speaker 6: I'm happy to be on this show where I really
Speaker 6: appreciate the guys. They want to come on your show,
Speaker 6: so I will do that one day. We got to
Speaker 6: have it on there.
Speaker 3: They're like, damn you gonna do the show without us.
Speaker 5: Say yeah, so we'll do that.
Speaker 3: Another crossover show.
Speaker 5: We'll definitely do that. That's a rock.
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