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Speaker 2: Sometime between the evening of September second and the early

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Speaker 2: morning hours of September third, nineteen ninety four, thirty five

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Speaker 2: year old Billy Jean Phillips was brutally beaten to death

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Speaker 2: at her home in Alabama, Arkansas. This case very quickly

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Speaker 2: became the biggest story in Madison County. Billy Jean had

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Speaker 2: had several lovers, including, as we said last week, the

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Speaker 2: deputy prosecutor named Rusty Kane and his son.

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Speaker 1: And Rusty's son was just twelve.

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Speaker 2: Years old when Billy Jean first made sexual advances toward him.

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Speaker 2: There was also Billy Jean's younger brother, Robert McKnight, who

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Speaker 2: had had some issues with drugs. Needless to say, there

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Speaker 2: was a long list of potential suspects. Billy Jean was

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Speaker 2: found wearing her white T shirt and underwear. She had

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Speaker 2: been attacked and beaten with a weapon that split her scalp.

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Speaker 2: at Rusty Kane, the deputy prosecutor, and several other suspects,

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Speaker 2: but over the years, police took DNA from several of them,

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Speaker 2: were eliminated. None of the people that they took DNA

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Speaker 2: been found under Billy Jean's fingernails. Over the years, it

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Speaker 2: was reported that police had tested at least fourteen people,

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Speaker 2: Phillips murder case, one that would shock the community. I'm

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Speaker 2: Catherine Townsend. Over the past five years of making my

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Speaker 2: true crime podcast, Telling Gone, I've learned there's no such

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Speaker 2: thing as a small town where murder never happens. I've

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Speaker 2: asking for help with an unsolved murder that's affected them,

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Speaker 2: their families, and their communities. If you have a case

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Speaker 2: you'd like me and my team to look into, you

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Speaker 2: can reach out to us at our Helen Gone Murder

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Speaker 2: line at six seven eight seven four four six one

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Speaker 2: one four five. This is Helen Gone murder line. The

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Speaker 2: guy who was arrested was named Clint Eugene Phillips. By

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Speaker 2: the way, Clint was no relation to Billy Jean. That

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Speaker 2: same last name was just a coincidence. Clint Phillips was

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Speaker 2: never a suspect in the original police investigation. He was

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Speaker 2: never even a person of interest. Initially, Clint was not

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Speaker 2: arrested for Billy Jean's murder. He was arrested and charged

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Speaker 2: law enforcement asked Clint to provide them with a blood sample,

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Speaker 2: and when he did, the DNA was a match to

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Speaker 2: the DNA that was found under Billy Jean phillips fingernails.

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Speaker 2: Here's Terry Jones, the prosecutor on this case.

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Speaker 3: Well, we didn't suspect him at all. We didn't even

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Speaker 2: This was kind of a shock because, again Clint Phillips

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Speaker 2: reports about him being arrested for sexual assault. They remembered Clint.

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Speaker 2: They remembered that he used to come into the Ozark

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Speaker 2: But Clint Phillips was just seventeen years old back in

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Speaker 2: Clint's former girlfriends, and in total, three girlfriends testified that

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Speaker 3: We questioned ex girlfriends found out that he was kind

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Speaker 2: Clint's lawyer painted a picture of Clint in nineteen ninety

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Speaker 2: But Clint did something after his arrest that could either

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Speaker 3: Got to TV State. He told that story to the

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Speaker 2: Trial, and in that interview, Clinton admitted he had known

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Speaker 2: it's not clear whether this supposed encounter happened while she.

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Speaker 2: But the witness who saw Billy Jean and saw her

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Speaker 2: State Police investigator named Steve Coffinger said both Heather and

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Speaker 2: In September of two thousand and three, Clint Eugene Phillips

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Speaker 1: Clint Phillips was on trial.

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Speaker 2: The charge that he was facing was capital murder, and

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Speaker 2: a lot of attention was focused on the crime scene

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Speaker 3: There was just so many rumors going around Madison County

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Speaker 3: night that she was killed. That's a pretty big hole.

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Speaker 2: As Terry pointed out, other than the DNA evidence under

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Speaker 2: He said that those had been sex scratches, that they

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Speaker 1: In that interview, Clint.

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Speaker 2: Clint also told local journalists that he had doubts about

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Speaker 2: mistakes made in the Arkansas State Crime Lab. Remember in

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Speaker 1: So we know that mistakes can happen.

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Speaker 2: By the time of Billy Jan Phillips trial, doctor Fami Mallek,

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Speaker 1: Doctor Cocus testified.

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Speaker 2: That in his opinion, it was unlikely that the scratches

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Speaker 2: he had to admit he didn't know for sure. It

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Speaker 2: was a possibility, but there's another possibility maybe Clint didn't

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Speaker 2: the full truth about what happened that night. Remember, there

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Speaker 2: explanation for the unmade bed upstairs or who may have.

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Speaker 1: Been sleeping in it.

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Speaker 2: And then there was another very last minute witness, and

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Speaker 2: this person was a friend of Clint's. According to the

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Speaker 1: He said he did his best. Again.

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Speaker 2: He wrote a book called Mister Prosecutor about this case,

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Speaker 2: But in the end, it seems like the jury just

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Speaker 2: They found Clint Phillips not guilty. Clint was crying in court.

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Speaker 2: His family, who came to support him, said they always

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Speaker 2: Obviously, Billy Jean's family was devastated and the rest of

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Speaker 2: difficult to prosecute anyone else in future. He said, everyone

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Speaker 2: Remember Sheriff Ralph Baker, the one who was Billy Jean's

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Speaker 1: One red quote.

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Speaker 2: I remember when Ralph Baker took my dad down the

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Speaker 2: There just one more strange death connected to Madison County.

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Speaker 2: The mystery of Billy Jean Phillips continued. I'm hoping maybe

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Speaker 2: A lot of people over the years have implied Billy

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Speaker 2: Jean phillips murder was about drugs. I don't believe this

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Speaker 2: For me, the biggest clue is the murder weapon, her

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Speaker 2: they saw, because a tee ball bat is not a

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Speaker 2: logical murder weapon.

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Speaker 1: Someone killed Billy.

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Speaker 2: Jean in a rage, and then they or someone else,

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Speaker 2: either someone close to them or perhaps someone totally unconnected

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00:25:36,485 --> 00:25:39,045
Speaker 2: to them, but with a lot to lose stage that

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Speaker 2: crime scene. We've talked a lot about the Cane family, Rusty,

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Speaker 2: his wife Sharon, and their son Trey. We know that

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Speaker 2: Rusty and Billy Jean were supposed to have a date

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00:25:49,845 --> 00:25:52,485
Speaker 2: that night. They had met up and exchange gifts. But

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Speaker 2: I wonder if he came back later. Maybe he got

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Speaker 2: angry with Billy Jean and they got into an argument,

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Speaker 2: or maybe Rusty Kane came in and discovered Billy Jean's body.

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Speaker 2: Maybe him or another family member or someone else close

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Speaker 2: to him helped clean it up. I still wonder about

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Speaker 2: Billy Jean's closet. Remember that Euna, billy Jean's sister, said

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Speaker 2: Rusty Kane had a whole rack of clothes. Basically he

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Speaker 2: had his own, like half of Billy Jean's closet. But

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Speaker 2: when Billy Jean's body was found, Yuna said that the

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Speaker 2: side of the closet where Billy Jean had kept Rusty

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Speaker 2: Kane's clothes was just bare hangers. So who if anyone

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Speaker 2: took these clothes? Did someone come in and grab them

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Speaker 2: out of that closet? And if so, was it the

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Speaker 2: killer or was it someone else. Sharon and Rusty Kane

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Speaker 2: divorced in two thousand and four, so her spousal privilege

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Speaker 2: would presumably have ended then. I still wonder if she's

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Speaker 2: ever talked to anyone about this murder. Rusty Kane survived

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Speaker 2: the scandal. He eventually became the Huntsville City Attorney. Back

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Speaker 2: in twenty fourteen, he was arrested and charged with driving

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Speaker 2: while intoxicated. Then he got another du in twenty seventeen.

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Speaker 2: At that time, his blood.

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Speaker 1: Alcohol level was reportedly over twice the legal.

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Speaker 2: Limit, and even after that he remained the Huntsville City attorney.

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Speaker 2: I guess some things never changed in the good old

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Speaker 2: boys system in Arkansas. There was one final clue, and this,

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Speaker 2: by the way, is why I love investigative reporting. The

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Speaker 2: Arkansas Democrat Cazette that did so much great reporting on

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Speaker 2: this case tracked down a neighbor who lived near Billy

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Speaker 2: Jean's house. Since this is a rural area, this person

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Speaker 2: saw all the cars that would drive by to go

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Speaker 2: to Billy Jeans, and also this being a rural area,

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Speaker 2: they would notice who was driving what they knew everybody's car.

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Speaker 2: So this neighbor went out to feed her chickens every

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Speaker 2: day between five and six am. She stated that just

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Speaker 2: before dawn on September third, she was out and heard

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Speaker 2: a car passing by. She said she looked up, but

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Speaker 2: she couldn't see any headlights, which means that this person

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00:28:04,445 --> 00:28:06,645
Speaker 2: knew the road well enough to be able to drive

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Speaker 2: it in the dark. Was this the killer or killers

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Speaker 2: or was this someone doing a cleanup? Terry Jones said

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Speaker 2: that they had talked to that neighbor he said, they

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Speaker 2: talked to a lot of people, and they spent years

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Speaker 2: trying to solve this case. So could Terry Jones be right?

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Speaker 2: Did they get the right guy but just not have

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Speaker 2: enough evidence to win the case. I still wonder if

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Speaker 2: Billy Jean's killer is out there. I've said before, murder

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Speaker 2: investigations are like time travel. We get frozen in time

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Speaker 2: at a moment when a horrific crime happens. Some part

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Speaker 2: of our minds are always reliving that traumatic moment over

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Speaker 2: and over. People focus on the larger issues of the case,

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00:28:47,765 --> 00:28:50,685
Speaker 2: or the drug trade or the wacky characters. All I

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Speaker 2: can think about is Billy Jean phillips little son, who

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Speaker 2: was just seven years old when he found his mother

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Speaker 2: lying in a pool of blood on her bedroom floor.

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Speaker 1: Clint Phillips is now fifty two years old.

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Speaker 2: After the trial, his family said they were planning to

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Speaker 2: move him out of Madison County because of all the

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Speaker 2: bad publicity, but it seems like he didn't get very far.

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Speaker 2: After Clint's trial, he became involved in drug dealing. He

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Speaker 2: was arrested for methamphetamine charges, and over the years he

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Speaker 2: did accumulate more of a criminal record. In October of

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty three, he was arrested in Madison County after

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Speaker 2: the Madison County Sheriff's Office seized approximately three hundred grams

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Speaker 2: of methamphetamine, along with some other paraphernalia from Clint's residence.

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Speaker 2: He was charged with trafficking and controlled substance distribution, theft

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Speaker 2: of property, and possession of drug paraphernalia. Clint's criminal record

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Speaker 2: includes arrests and convictions for drugs, domestic battery, and aggravated assaults.

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Speaker 2: After the arrest for sexual assault in two thousand and two,

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Speaker 2: he became a registered sex offender. He's been arrested a

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Speaker 2: couple of times since then for failure to register as

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Speaker 2: a sex offender.

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Speaker 1: And very recently Clint.

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Speaker 2: This name came up again in a very strange way

521
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Speaker 2: in another case. In January of twenty twenty two, a

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Speaker 2: forty one year old man named Jason Lerell disappeared. Now

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Speaker 2: the exact date when Jason vanished depends on who you ask.

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Speaker 2: It's been reported that there was a sighting of him

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Speaker 2: on January twenty seventh, but there are conflicting reports about

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Speaker 2: whether that sighting was valid or not. We're going to

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Speaker 2: go a lot more in depth into Jason's case in

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Speaker 2: next week's episode, but the last known contact that Jason

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Speaker 2: had with anyone was on January twenty first. Then on

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Speaker 2: February thirteenth, twenty twenty two, a few weeks after Jason disappeared,

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Speaker 2: a deputy transported an inmate to the Barry County jail.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 2: According to the arrest report, this man had blood on

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Speaker 2: his hands and all over his clothing. He had been

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Speaker 2: arrested on a totally unrelated charge, but he shot police

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Speaker 2: when he said he had information about Jason Lerell's disappearance

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Speaker 2: and that Madison County would want to talk to him

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Speaker 2: about a capital murder. I'm Catherine Townsend. This is Helen

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Speaker 2: Gone Murder Line. Helen Gone Murder Line is a production

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Speaker 2: of School of Humans and iHeart Podcasts. It's written and

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Speaker 2: narrated by me Catherine Townsend and produced by Gabby Watts.

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Speaker 2: Music is contributed by Ben Sale. Executive producers are Virginia Prescott, Brandon.

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Speaker 1: Barr, and L. C. Crowley.

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Speaker 2: If you have a case you'd like me and my

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Speaker 2: team to look into, you can reach out to us

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